| IVOD_ID |
17254 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17254 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第2次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第2次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-06T08:33:08+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-06T15:51:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
07:17:52 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a60957bbf9faf217681e9f2c355762d5864499a0e64182b5d71c2d94c15419670e275ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第2次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、3月6日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、3月10日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:33:08 - 15:51:00 |
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總理委員長各位閣議員早安我們現在開始進行新春第一獎第一場的國事論壇首先請陳昭志委員請發言徐政委員請準備 |
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主席 各位同事 各位媒體朋友這幾天有國人受困在中東地區根據媒體的報導因為中東區域的衝突提高所以有航班取消 機場關閉的情形有台灣的民眾受困在卡達的首都杜哈 |
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那個地方不斷的有爆炸聲音也有航空警報我想大家可以想見人在海外遇到戰事升高的時候心中是非常的恐慌但是當這些國人向外交部求援的時候得到的回應竟然是在飯店等機場開放 |
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那這樣的回應會讓在海外受困的這個國人非常的心寒因為國安在海外遇到緊急狀況的時候第一個想法第一個念頭就是向政府求救向國家求救但是只得到一句再等等 |
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甚至連後續的時數 交通時數或是後續安排都沒有進一步的提供這個協助所以我必須說外交部平常是強調這個國際護橋但是真的遇到突發狀況的時候卻讓台灣的人民必須組成自救群體自救社團然後他們想辦法要規劃自己自費包車跨越邊境 |
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到別的國家然後再想辦法轉機回到台灣政府難道不能有更積極的作為嗎民眾一定只能自救嗎雖然外交部說目前的情勢並不到全面的戰爭所以沒有撤僑撤團的計畫但是撤僑只是其中的一個選項再撤僑跟讓民眾自己想辦法當中政府事實上還可以做很多事譬如說外交部可以主動盤點該地的國人的人數跟他的分部情形 |
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然後建立更及時的聯絡窗口以及主動去了解旁邊國家他們的航班交通等情形甚至介入協調交通提供國家安全資訊等等很重要的國人在海外遇到危機的時候 |
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他們需要的不是只有資訊而已他們要一種安心感要什麼樣感覺就是政府沒有放棄我國家沒有放棄我的那種安心感所以我要呼籲外交部對於目前還滯留在中東的國人你應該要採取更積極的掌握狀況而且提供更有效的一個措施而不是被動等待 |
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所以我希望外交部能夠檢討目前的應變機制希望能夠有更及時更清楚的作為謝謝 |
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院長 各位同仁及各位媒體先進大家早新的一年才剛開始世界被迫進入戰時能源模式每一戰火的引爆全球能源命脈和睦在海峽遭到封鎖國際能源與液化天然氣的船隊被迫停擺這不只是新聞更是台灣能源被人死死掐住的國安警訊 |
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國民黨團多年來一再的建言能源政策必須回到務實與國安放棄那套早已脫離現實的非核家園神主牌但民進黨政府始終充耳不聞只以意識形態凌駕民生與產業如今政府政策錯誤的惡果顯現 |
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川普总统预警战事可能持续数周而台湾原油进口近有高达78%暴露在封锁的风险中一旦航线受阻台湾面对的不只是油价变贵而是可能买不到运不来进不了港的供应危机政府若还用一句短期无余带过就是把人民当作不懂风险的局外人 |
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更令人憤怒的是天然氣民進黨為了飛河蝦園硬是把燃氣的發電佔比從105年的31.5%推升到如今的逼近五成讓電力系統越來越依賴天然氣政府宣稱天然氣乾淨安全但卻迴避最關鍵的數值 |
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事實台灣天然氣法定儲存的天數只有11到14天也就是說只要海上運輸線受阻半個月台灣就可能陷入電力調度失序產業與民生同步受衝擊現在在我國天然氣供應三成的卡達因戰事預防性停產經濟部竟然還在粉飾太平高喊調貨安啦 |
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請問在政府當全球都在搶貨運費保險調漲之際你們憑什麼保證能一定掉的到貨呢你們口中的能源韌性難道只是印在文宣上的口號嗎最諷刺的是平日高喊減碳環保的民進黨面對缺電危機經濟部長竟坦言全面開啟煤炭發電是最後的手段 |
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早了半天你們的能源轉型就是轉向用廢發電讓空氣品質全面崩潰因為政府的冥頑不靈台灣的民眾現在正面臨了缺電 斷氣 環境污染與經濟衰退的四重打擊我們要的不是口號式的任性而是能扛暫時風險的制度台灣經濟是壓在半導體與AI產業鏈上一秒都不能停電 |
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民進黨若拒絕修改錯誤的能源政策那麼接下來每一次的供電知請吃緊任何一次的被迫燃煤任何一次在電價上漲與空污惡化責任都不在國際趨勢而在民進黨謝謝好 謝謝徐議貞委員的發言接下來我們請邱惠祿委員請發言張志倫委員請準備 |
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主席各位同仁還有各位媒體朋友大家好護理人員的業務範圍根據護理人員法24條包括4個項目第一個項目是健康問題的護理評估第二個項目是預防保健的護理 |
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措施第三個項目是護理指導跟諮詢第四個項目是醫療輔助行為然而醫療輔助行為必須在醫師的指示之下才能夠執行也就是要有醫師的遺囑才能夠執行醫療輔助行為 |
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關於護理人員的業務範圍有三個地方值得檢討第一個地方呢就是關於第一項的健康問題的護理評估前面的健康問題四個字應該要刪除因為我們護理人員針對病人進行評估不限於健康問題疾病問題也在評估的範圍之內舉凡涉及病人身心靈 |
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成次的問題都在評估的範圍之內所以應該要刪除前面四個制裁能夠符合實際的運作情形第二個問題就是關於第二項的預防保健的護理措施我們護理人員執行護理措施也不限於預防保健疾病照護 |
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所採取的護理措施也在我們護理人員執行的範圍之內所以前面的預防保健四個字也應該要刪除才能夠符合實際的運作狀況第三個要檢討的地方也就是最重要的地方就是關於第四項的業務範圍醫療輔助行為醫療輔助行為它是一個不確定的法律概念 |
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我們的行政主管機關也就是衛福部對於不確定的法律概念多以行政含釋來加以解釋但是衛福部以行政含釋來解釋這個不確定的法律概念也就是醫療輔助行為有出現兩個問題第一個問題就是對於某些醫療輔助行為的解釋意識含糊不清抽象模糊難以理解 |
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第二個問題呢就是針對某項醫療輔助行為的解釋常有出現前後不一致而難以理解難以接受的情形所以我們在這邊呼籲主管機關也就是衛福部應該要釐清醫療輔助行為的內涵跟概念然後明確化護理人員的業務範圍因為根據密護罪的規定未具備護理人員資格的人如果執行護理人員的業務的話就會觸犯密醫罪 |
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密戶罪就會觸犯密戶罪所以護理人員的業務範圍明確很重要可以避免畏懼護理人員資格的人誤踩了密戶罪的紅線所以我們在這邊再一次的呼籲主管機關也就是衛福部釐清醫療輔助行為的概念明確護理人員業務範圍護理人員在這個範圍執業也才能夠維護醫療品質保障病人的安全以上說明謝謝好謝謝邱惠如委員的發言謝謝 |
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我們接下來請張志倫委員請發言蔡春籌委員請準備院長各位同仁各位媒體朋友大家早安大家好今天是本會期第一次的國事論壇 |
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近期朝野的政治僵局在韓國瑜院長出席五院查緒後調和頂賴風雨看到了一絲化解的曙光本期在這裡特別感謝韓院長對國家運作所做的努力 |
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我們都還記得賴清德總統日前在五院院長查序時表示五院院長應邀而來是歷史上的第一次總統更對外宣稱在福爾摩沙沒有什麼事情沒有什麼仇恨放不下 |
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便取許如韓院長所說朝野能夠用一個化字來做到大事化小小事化無讓國家逢凶化吉然而令人遺憾的是行政院依然選擇對抗而不是和解 |
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面對立法院三讀通過的法律,民進黨政府竟然再次拒絕附屬,行政院長曲解了憲法的意旨,不僅閹割了立法權,而讓台灣一步一步走向行政獨裁的險境。行政院這樣傲慢且不尊重國會的態度,同樣反映在目前的國防預算的審查上。 |
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近期執政黨不斷抹黑在野黨阻擋國防這完全是混淆視聽本期要在此重申國民黨的立場始終如一我們不擋軍購支持國防但拒絕民進黨政府一張巨大且沒有名氣的空白支票針對美方已正式通知 |
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具備正式發價書的軍售案國民黨絕對支持並主張分階段迅速審議並兼具採購效率與程序正義同時我們也要記得歷史教訓過去如拉法業案缺乏透明且產生龐大佣金的問題 |
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甚至變成國際醜聞因此國防部每會期必須提交執行報告並由審計機關查核以杜絕弊端 |
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本席與本級典黨籍立委也會嚴格把關預算暴增與武器延宕的問題台灣國防預算從過去馬政府3000多億一路攀升至賴政府的9000多億元但在預算大幅增加的同時軍購常常面臨嚴重的交貨延宕的問題這讓國人如何安心呢本席必須為人民看緊荷包確保巨額的 |
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這個購買裝備能如期交貨形成實質的戰力最後本席在此嚴正呼籲行政院因懸崖勒馬停止對抗國會讓國防採購在陽光穩定的情況好 謝謝張志仁委員的發言 謝謝接下來我們請登記最後一位蔡春籌委 請發言 |
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院長各位同仁大家好本週傳出受困在卡達所都的杜哈的國人表示曾經聯繫外交部要尋求協助但卻被告知留在飯店等待機場的一個開放當民眾需要協助的時候卻只有等到冰冷的一個官方回應 |
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因此部分里外的国人就成立了自救的一个群组,而且也智慧地逃往临近的一个机场来做转机回到台湾。今天如果政府有作为,那么我们的国人为什么要成立自救群组呢? |
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歐洲許多國家針對於中東情勢的一個惡化他們就開始採取了因應措施面對隨時會可能封鎖的一個領空展開時間賽跑離開撤離行動那民眾黨的一個基本的一個立場是保障里外人民的一個安全確保平安的一個反台為優先 |
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這是重中之重我們也肯定也感謝我們的外交人員的辛勞美伊情勢的一個升溫早已引發國際社會的一個關注因此早在這個戰爭還沒有發生之前政府相關部會就應該事先的一個先掌握情資提前來準備議案的緩緩前天晚上 |
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第一批抵達桃園機場的國人交通部相關的單位來接機有聽取部分國人對於政府相關部門應該如何來協助提供建言那麼我們希望這些建言能夠在今天所有政府官員都能夠聽到他們的聲音外交部表示在中東地區 |
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我里外国人以及侨民大概还有3000多人滞留在当地的大约还有200多位本席希望政府能够说明已经主动联系了多少人有多少的国人需要我们政府来协助那么我们政府又做了哪些协助既然 |
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保護海外僑民還有旅遊的國人的人身安全是政府重複強調的一個重要任務本席要求我們政府要自動的掌握 |
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好 謝謝謝謝蔡春筹委員的發言 謝謝我們現在登記國事論壇發言的委員已經發言完畢請各黨團幹部上午十點整至議場後方主席辦公室我們來進行本次會議議程之溝通先來休息 |
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好請民主黨報告出席人數報告院會出席委員期三年已足法定人數好現在開會報告院會今天是國際婦女節 |
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我們今天立法院特別準備了玫瑰花將這一份真心敬意與謝意送在場所有本院所有的女性委員同仁手上藉這個機會立法院向全天下所有的女性同胞祝福婦女節快樂希望每位婦女像玫瑰一樣綻放美麗更充滿著健康活力祝福大家婦女節快樂 |
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好 報告委員會我們本次會議一程有待溝通請各黨團幹部現在到議場後方主席辦公室我們來進行溝通 先來休息 |
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謝謝大家 |
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9008.034 |
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好 抱怨會我們繼續開會因程旭文會議本次會議亦是日程草案送院會處理現在由黨團依照本院議事成立對本次會議亦是日程草案提出異議現在我們進行處理並截止收案抱怨院會現在黨團共識已經達成共識如下一 |
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一是草案确认循例一提案先后进行处理二一般提案一百一十五年度中央政府总预算案先行动之案广泛讨论后不再发言进行表决处理三新增一般提案军购预算说明案不说明及发言并不表决进付二读交付协商 |
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4.新增一般提案不附属谴责案不说明不发言1.提进行表决5.报告事项处理完毕之后1.协商结论进行刑法及其施刑法修正案抽出动议之处理上午愿会进行至讨论事项处理完毕后及休息下午进行施政质询议程下周二愿会一同本次会议不处理临时提案 |
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六有關中選會同意案不列入本次會議議程於下週由本席院長擇日協商並列入3月13號議程散開刑法及其私刑法修正案之協商及列入議程一同我們現在先進行處理報告事項部分請議事人員宣讀黨團之題內容 |
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本院台灣民眾黨盲團針對第十一屆第五會期第二次會議權報告事項諮詢事項及對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢提議僅限列議權常任所列言案及項表所列審案是否有當進行公決 |
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9122.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
本院國民黨黨團針對第十一屆第五會期第二次會議議程報告事項質詢事項及對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢提議僅限列議程長遠狩獵一案及校苗狩獵四案是否有當進行公決宣讀完畢請問院會對台灣民眾黨團國民黨團提議通過有無異議請問院會有無異議 |
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沒有異議 完本題 照案通過報言會 本次院會後續就依照黨團共識來進行本次會議亦事成報告事項 質詢事項及對行政院長施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢照台灣民眾黨團 國民黨團體通過報言會 我們現在繼續處理討論事項部分 |
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現在處理臺灣民眾黨團僅限列之提議因為國民黨團之提議與該黨團體相同我們一併進行處理請議事人員一併宣讀提議內容本院臺灣民眾黨黨團針對第十一屆第五會期第二次會議議事成提議增列討論事項僅限列如復表散案並於對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢前處理是否有當進行公決 |
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本院國民黨黨團針對第十屆第五會期第二次會議議事程討論事項提應僅限列如複表三案並於對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢前處理是否有當進行公決宣讀完畢全院會對本題有無異議有異議我們要進行表決我們現在開始按鈴七分鐘請議長分發表決卡 |
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好 報議會我們207分鐘時間已到請問每位委員是否都有拿到表決卡都有拿到 我們要開始進行表決針對台灣民眾黨團 國民黨團提議現在有民進黨黨團要求記名表決我們開始進行記名表決贊成台灣民眾黨團 國民黨團提議請按贊成 反對 請按反對時間一分鐘 現在開始 |
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報議會報告表決結果在場委員83位贊成55位反對28位贊成者多數台灣民眾黨團國民黨團體照案通過 |
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9800.635 |
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我們本次會議一時之間討論事項照台灣民眾黨團及國民黨團黨團提議通過另外針對台灣民眾黨團國民黨團分別提議本次會議甄列中選會同意權行使事項依照黨團共識我們不列入本次會議議程於下週由院長本人擇日協商並列入3月13號議程所以黨團之提議 |
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我們就不予處理列入公報紀錄 抱怨會我們本次會議一直日程確定我們現在進行報告事項 |
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請秘書長宣讀第五會期第一次會議議事錄宣讀立法院第十一屆第五會期第一次會議議事錄時間中華民國一百十五年二月二十四日三月三日地點本院議場出席委員陳委員招職等一百十三人內席官員行政院院長卓榮泰等主席院長韓國瑜副院長江啟臣報告事項第一案宣讀本院第十一屆第四會期 |
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第二十次會議議事錄決定確定第二至二十五案其中第三、第七案均決定經過讀與相關提案並在協商第二三、二十四案均決定交黨團協商會議處理第二十五案決定照案通過其餘一案均決定交互相關委員會審查 |
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第26案為聯事處所提示報告案執行事項行政院答覆部分五件行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告並答覆質詢 |
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9901.985 |
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決定下次會繼續進行施政方針及施政報告之質詢行政院院長提出台美關稅談判結果及其影響專案報告並答覆質詢決定一 將各委員發言記錄及書面質詢函送行政院並請就未答覆部分予以書面答覆二 已提出之書面質詢尚未登載公報則一律補刊 |
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其他事項一一百十五年二十四日朝野黨團協商結論二件二本次會議四字成一協商結論通過三主席宣告一項宣讀完畢報言會針對第五會期第一次會議的議事錄並沒有委員或黨團提出錯誤或遺漏之處我們現在做以下決定第五會期第一次會議議事錄確定報言會我們現在進行處理甄列部分請宣讀第一案 |
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1.行政院喊起審議《強化防衛任性及不對稱戰略計劃採購特別條例》草案案2. |
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擬請會議黨團寫上結論將外交及國防財政兩委員會與台灣民眾黨黨團所提《保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰略計劃採購特別條例》草案並案審查宣讀完畢本案照案通過請宣讀第二案 |
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二 國民黨黨團一句 強化國防及對美軍事採購特別條例草案您請願會議黨團協商結論將外交及國防財政聯盟委員會與台灣民眾黨黨團所提保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰略計畫採購特別條例草案並案審查宣讀完畢本案照案通過 請宣讀第三案 |
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全院會有異議 免議通過下案 |
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10001.682 |
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四 司法院行政院罕見選議 刑事訴訟法第17條第26條及第134條之一條文修正常案案你將由司法及法庭委員會審查 宣讀完畢無異通過 法院會本次會議報告事項記載於議事錄順序授權議事處進行調整現在繼續處理原列報告事項 請宣讀第二案 |
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10013.253 |
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2.委員郭國文等領據銀行法第33條之6及第129條條文修正常案擬交財政委員會審查 宣布完畢3. |
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10013.253 |
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委員郭國文等領據保險法第146條之10及第168條條文修正常案擬交財政委員會審查 宣布完畢 |
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10027.365 |
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10032.928 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
4.委員郭文文的理據 勞工退休金條例第14條條文修正草案 禮教社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查5. |
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10032.928 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
10035.149 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
委員李坤誠的理據 中華民國刑法部分條文修正草案 禮教司法及法律委員會審查6. |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
10035.149 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
10041.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
委員李坤誠的理據 中華民國刑法適刑法第8條條文修正草案 禮教司法及法律委員會審查7. |
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10041.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
10047.135 |
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委員李坤誠的理據 中華民國刑法適刑法第8條條文修正草案 禮教司法及法律委員會審查 |
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10048.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
10055.96 |
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7.委員李昆璇等離去國民營經訪第15條、第31條及第50條條文宣審查案,你將是會否立及或上環境委員或審查。8.委員張家俊等離去國民營經訪部份條文宣審查案,你將是會否立及或上環境委員或審查。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
10080.186 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
9.5月罗志强等你去,全民防卫动员准备法第九条调务修正草案,你将会在警方委员会审查,宣言完毕。10.5月罗志强等你去,国际安装联络与产权合作,集权财务培育创新条例第四条调务修正草案,你将会在教育及文化委员会审查,宣言完毕。 |
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10080.986 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
10109.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
11.委员罗志强等你去学校卫生法第16条第17条条文宣审草案你交交易局文化委员会审查12.委员罗志强等你费时交易部提出组织法你交司法及法治交易局文化联络委员会审查13.委员罗志强等你去劳动基础法第37条条文宣审草案你交社会福利优先环境委员会审查14.委员罗志强等你去身心障碍者全员保障法部分条文宣审草案你交社会福利优先环境委员会审查宣布完毕 |
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10110.145 |
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10110.405 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
法定人數不足 |
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10121.129 |
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10147.577 |
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十五 委員專電財等領據 畜牧法第二條條文修正草案 擬交經濟委員會審查 宣告完畢十六 委員專電財等領據 深波地防禦 利用條例第三審計條條文修正草案 擬交經濟委員會審查 宣告完畢十七 委員專電財等領據 動物傳染病防事條例第二條條文修正草案 擬交經濟委員會審查 宣告完畢十八 委員專電財等領據 動物用藥品管理法第二條條文修正草案 擬交經濟委員會審查 宣告完畢 |
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我已通过宣言我已通过宣言我已通过宣言我已通过宣言 |
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二十三 委员刘浩德理费指教育部提出组织法 联交司法及法治教育及文化联络委员会审查 宣布完毕二十四 委员侯梦凯等人据中华民国刑法第十八条修正常案 联交司法及法治委员会审查 宣布完毕二十五 委员侯梦凯等人据少年世界主义法第二十七条及第八十一条条修正常案 联交司法及法治委员会审查 宣布完毕 |
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补义通过下一案 |
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二十八 內政部深圳不動產說明書應記載及不得記載事項應記載事項第二點及第三點會定 擬交內政委員會 宣布完畢二十九 內政部修正內政部警政署保安檢查第一總隊編制表及內政部警政署保安總隊第五總隊編制表擬交司法及法治內政兩委員會 宣布完畢 |
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30.外交部韩文有过2025年捐助65万美元与亚太经济合作捐送我国与APEC秘书处签署之《了解备忘录》一本集中一本你将为消极国防委员会宣传并30. |
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国防部韩总国军公安使馆请教会责部分条文及第十七条附件第十条条附近的发布令等看护表你将为消极国防委员会宣传并 |
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10264.895 |
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3.协议协议协议协议协议协议 |
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34.行政委員會中華民國112年6月28日修正公布是《香港法》第36條之一及第65條之一條文定自115年2月1日實行理交交通委員會宣傳日35.行政委員會中華民國114年11月19日修正公布是《道路交通管理處法條例》部分條文除第16條第35條第6項第13項及第92條之二條文外其餘條文定自115年1月31日實行理交交通委員會宣傳日 |
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36.農業外行為該部選場115年度老年農民福利今天專行條例第四條第三項第一環鎖定農業所得以外居個人綜合所得稅各類所得總額新台幣50萬元以上以財政資訊中心提供113年度農業所得以外居個人綜合所得稅各類所得總額為精準領交經濟委員會宣言為定 |
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三十七 農業木修生農業保險 保險費補助辦法第一條條文及第三條副表 擬交基金委員會 宣讀完畢三十八 農業木修生動物用藥品檢驗標準部分條文 擬交基金委員會 宣讀完畢 |
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五一通过签言五一通过签言五一通过签言五一通过签言 |
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四十二 財政目標公告一百十五年度 花生等十四種農產品 實施特別防衛措施種類 基準數量及基準價格 李教財政委員會 宣傳並四十三 文化目修正活力 台灣工藝研究發展中心 財力分析與技術諮詢收費標準 第二條副表 李教授及文化委員會 宣傳並 |
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44.教育部修正公立学校教师奖金方业办法第3条条文 离教教育局网化有费 45. |
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10410.665 |
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交通部修正自由贸易港区入出及居住管理办法 离教交通部有费 46. |
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10410.665 |
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10419.951 |
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数位发展部行为公务机关所属人员 资端安全事项找成办法并签创成为公务机关所属人员办理资端安全事项作业办法并修正条文 离教交通部有费 45. |
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交通部修正公立学校教师奖金方业办法第3条条文 离教教教育局网化有费 45. |
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交通部修正公立学校教师奖 |
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會議通過下一個會議 |
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四十八 環境部配置空氣中液氧化碳自動檢測方法 紅外光法 凝膠受惠服力優勝環境委員會 宣布完畢五一通過 下一個四十九 環境部配置空氣中液氧化碳自動檢測方法 紅外光法 凝膠受惠服力優勝環境委員會 宣布完畢五一 |
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通过报告院会王世坚委员发表声明刚才表决与民进党党团意见一致我们列入公报记录报告院会第50案至131案依序宣读其中53至5557 58 61至6467至7275至8082至8486案台湾民众党团替改交审查第60案 |
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國民黨團體改交審查宣讀之後以上提案均改交相關委員會審查區議案均照議事處意見通過請問院會有無異議沒有異議請宣讀宣讀之後通過 |
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第五十恩文化部第五十一恩国家同事传播委员会第五恩集体五三恩中央学区委员会第五四恩大陆委员会第五五恩集体五六恩内政部第五七恩教务委员会第五半恩集体六十恩国防部第六一恩国训退休冠军辅导委员会 |
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第六任案 國家發展委員會第六三案 指定六任案 經濟部第六七案 公平交易委員會第六八案 農業部第六九案 中央銀行第七十案 財政部第七十一案及第七十二案 行政院主席總署第七三案 環境安全委員會第七四案 |
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第七四案 国立故宫博物院第七五案 国家通讯宠博委员会第七六案 国家运输安全调查委员会第七七案 数位发展部第七八案 及第七九案 司法院第八十案 总统府第八一案 监察院秘书厂第八二案 行政院人事行政总处第八四案 考试院秘书厂第八四案 股市会第八五案 环境部第八六案 劳动部第八七案 决定一零二案 经济部第一零三案 决定一零五案 财政部第一零六案 决定一三一案 劳动部 |
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還為更年度相關運算114年度中央政府總算附屬單位運算的運算決議分別檢討相關報告宣讀完畢請繼續宣讀質詢事項質詢事項本院委員質詢部分本院中委員交兵向協助人提出質詢供應件宣讀完畢報告事項已經處理完畢我們現在依照協商結論進行抽出動議之處理請議事人員宣讀朝野黨團協商結論 |
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法院黨團協商結論時間115年3月6日星期五上午10時地點一場主席辦公室決定事項一各黨團同意與本次會議質詢期間將行政院司法院韓清審議中華民國刑法部分條文修正草案及中華民國刑法實行法第七條之二第七條之三之第七條之四 |
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調文修正草案案自司法及法制委會抽出淨附二讀由院長召集協商主持人韓國瑜協商代表傅坤祺 林沛翔 徐宇貞蔡啟昌 莊日雄 范雲陳清榮 王安祥 邱慧如宣讀完畢 |
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会议会我们113年3月6号朝野党团协商结论经过决定如下各党团同意于本次会议咨询期间将行政院司法院含情审议中华民国刑法部分条文修正草案及中华民国刑法实行法第七条之二第七条之三及第七条之四条文修正草案案 |
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自司法及法治委員會抽出禁覆二讀由院長召集協商我們現在進行討論事項第一案本院國民黨團台灣民眾黨團共同提案建請院會作成決議一百一十五年度總預算案中具有急迫性 |
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及攸關重大民生資新興資本支出及新增計劃本院同意先行御動之請公決案本案經第四會期第二十次會議決議協商後再行處理報告 |
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協商已經超過一個月依照立法院職權刑事法第七十一條之一規定由院會定期處理因此於本次會議我們提出討論依照黨團共事本案廣泛討論不再發言報告院會現在有國民黨團台灣民眾黨團分別提議本案照案通過 |
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現在針對國民黨團 臺灣民眾黨團提照案通過進行表決現在有民進黨團要求記名表決我們現在開始進行記名表決贊成 請按贊成反對 按反對時間一分鐘 現在開始 |
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報言會報告表決結果在場委員83位贊成54位反對29位贊成者多數照國民黨團台灣民眾黨團體通過我們本案現在做以下決議115年度總預算案中具有急迫性及攸關重大民生資新興資本支出及新增計畫如附件本院同意先行預動之附件部分現在我們請議事人員宣讀 |
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115 年度中央政府總選案 具有急迫襲擊攸關重大民選之新興資本支出及新政計劃機關民權新政院主管人事總署及所屬新興新政計劃項目說明公保生育給付超越補助2.35億元各縣市 全局主管 |
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故宫博物院智慧政府数位化经济发展计划打造AI智慧博物馆公共数位含容生态计划0.18亿元前进院主管中学会计所属延江县学术园会办公厅社取得0.18亿元 |
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企业主管河安会及所属国家药物任性准备计划强化国家合一关键药物供应任性与应用倍元3.3亿元内政务主管AS365N海豚型机队升级中程计划18.2亿元 |
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因应气候变迁 县市管河川及盘水整体改善计划0.27亿元中区事务大队台中市第二服务站用地配合社会住宅新建移民服务中心计划0.24亿元中区事务大队新竹县市专请队及新竹县市服务站办公厅设新建计划0.1亿元 |
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國防部主委 各類保險生育給付補足至每攤10萬元 財政部主委小型X光檢查儀太空第二期計劃1.53億元教育部主委 提升國立大專校院建築安全並加速改善老舊校舍整修納稅補強及文資修正經費15億元因足足苗地區高科技產業發展學生就讀高級中等學校需求將持續增加 |
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办理新准建竹竹苗地区高协州南学校校事计划所输经费3.3亿元竹竹苗共计3亿元因应下水倒法等相关法律政策鼓励高协州南学校配合实施污排水监管作业补书各校建制及改善校事污水及排水系统经费2.5亿元智慧雨林产业创生人才育成计划0.92亿元 |
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经济部主管 营运机构变迁限制管合成及排水整体改善计划35.11亿元台南市及云林县等各县市 研发自治场域整建即药品国产自治能量建制计划34.4亿元关西济水厂及新浦配水中心改善工程计划0.35亿元新出现交通部主管 TPUS行政院通行业票执行计划15.8亿元 |
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高雄屏東間東西向第二條快速公路3.52億元屏東縣重點橋樑行商園選體生計劃2.38億元因應慶豪變遷縣市管河村及盤旋人體改善計劃0.7億元勞動部主管勞動部辦理勞工保險生育給付差略補助29.5千億元勞動部配合育嬰留庭照顧談心化政策獎勵小微企業戶主務議員農業部主管 |
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因應經貿變遷 縣市管核酸及整體排水整體改善計劃115至118年11.78億元各縣市衛福部主委 國家應募任性準備計劃18.48億元我國少子女化對策計劃1.0提高我們年金 保險 生育給付7.99億元再者 醫療科技推動計劃2.45億元運動部主委 台灣品牌三十精選計劃8億元各縣市 |
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国家运动科学中心大楼新建计划0.5亿元环境部主管因应气候变迁限制维和圈集盘训练整体改善计划0.83亿元双面积0.06亿元速发部主管强化政府关键节点及偏远通讯网络 |
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數位任性計畫0.6億元各縣市計0.58億元直銷市及縣市政府一般性補償款內政補償款一應青澳邊縣縣市委合宣及盤選整體改善計畫28.73億元各縣市直銷市及縣市政府一般性補償款經濟補償款一應青澳邊縣縣市委合宣及盤選整體改善計畫64.89億元各縣市 |
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指向市及縣市政府一般性補償款交通部主管T-BOX行政院通行月票執行計畫一因五十一一八年五十九點四零一元指向市及縣市政府一般性補償款農業部主管因應計畫變遷縣市管合專及排水整體改善計畫一因五十一一八年零點五二一元各縣市指向市及縣市政府一般性補償款衛福部主管五國少子女化對策計畫點零 |
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本理不限公共化托育設施13.7億元各縣市只想涉及縣市政府一般性補助群環境募儲群因氣候變遷縣市委核酸及盤旋整體改善計畫4.17億元各縣市只想涉及縣市政府一般性補助群其他只想涉及縣市財政群群補助等經費320.63億元各縣市宣讀完畢報告委員會現在有本院副坤崎委員等針對本案之決議 |
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提出復議並請院會隨即表決處理我們現在來進行本件復議案要開始進行表決針對富坤其委員等所提復議案現在有民進黨團要求記名表決我們開始進行記名表決贊成反對案時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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發言會報告表決結果,這場委員82位贊成29位,反對53位,贊成者少數,附議案不通過現在我們繼續進行處理院會所做收支附帶決議現在處理國民黨團所提支附帶決議共1項,請議事委員宣讀附帶決議之內容 |
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國民黨黨團附帶決議有關一百十五年度中央政府總預算案中立法院同意行政院先行預動之資具有急迫性及攸關重大民生資新興資本支出及新政計畫部分各主管機關應就其執行情形加強管理並按月送立法院被查宣讀完畢請問院會有異議沒有異議我們就決定照案通過現在我們進行討論事項第二案 |
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本院台灣民眾黨團建行院會作成決議行政院應於簽署發架書後即刻向立法院提出完整相關武器交貨期程報告回歸審議常軌履行行政院於預算編列前後完整說明之義務不得再以國家安全之名 |
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規避民主審議與理性的監督請公決案請議事人員宣讀提案內容本院台灣民眾黨黨團有盡於行政院於114年11月提出規模於新台幣1.25兆元之國防特別條例草案為其內容規劃與決策過程積極封閉事後資訊更流於黑箱導致中大軍事採訪事項竟無法透過正常民主程序監督 |
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凡需仰赖外国媒体片段报道拼凑得知严重践踏国会监督权有有甚者政府屡将建军严当之责推诿于在野党之务实审议一再以战胜口水掩盖其行政新闻 |
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11363.659 |
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尽管行政院程序瑕疵在前政治操弄在后台湾民众脑团始终秉持国家利益高于政党利益之核心价值为确保国家战略利益与我盟友军购发酵书签署其神之需求避免我国 |
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避免我國防應形狀態度失職而產生嚴當或缺口並積極展現本院民主彈性與應變能力原提案建請院會作成決議本院彼此國家安全優先強力捍衛領土完整之原則若美方發架書明文公佈之脫勢 |
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11406.3 |
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标枪、飞弹、续购机M109A7自走炮等三项对美军购案签约启程戒指之前,尚未完成相关预算之审议,资促选行政院先行与美方签署发驾书LOA,以保障国家战略利益。行政院应与签署后即可向立法院提出完整相关武器交货启程报告,回归审议常规。 |
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长轨旅行行政院于预算编列前后完整说明之义务不得再以国家安全为名规避民族审议与理性监督是否有当进行请公全恩宣布完毕依照立法院职权新司法第八条第三项规定本案经提案人说明提案子去大体讨论之后即一决交付审查或进付二读或不予审议法院会依照党团共事本案提案说明及大体讨论我们均不再发言 |
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現在有台灣民眾黨團提議禁覆二讀依照黨團共識本案就禁覆二讀依據立法院職權行事法第74條之一規定交付黨團協商我們現在來做以下決議本案交付黨團協商並由台灣民眾黨團負責召集協商歡迎我們進入討論事項第三案本院台灣民眾黨團建議院會做成決議為維護國會尊嚴 |
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捍衛國家憲政體制對行政院院長卓院長提出嚴厲之譴責案正告賴清德總統與卓中泰院長應立即停止違反違法濫權不附屬不公布不執行執行禁回歸憲政運作之基本次序請公決案我們現在請議事人員宣讀提案內容 |
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本院台湾民众劳忙团有进于协政院长卓荣泰自就任以来面对本院三组通过之立法院组织法卫星广播电视法政党及其附随组织不当取得财产处理条例及提升军警权益立法院处理非法生化等修法案屡屡展现不附属不公布不执行之态度态度在赖庆德总统与卓荣泰院长主导下 |
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行政權自以否決代表民意之立法權將自身推向不受監督者絕對權利破壞權利分立與制衡之民主原則造就台灣民主史之巨大危機依中華民國新法三讀通過之法律 |
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如遇真爱难行行政院依法仅能提出复议复议未或通过几因因法执行此乃宪政运作基本秩序然如温泰院长仅一再跨越宪法红线进行以不附属之名实行之否决法律之时当行政权可无视国会权益拒绝依法行事此乃行径若非独裁何谓独裁 |
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總參院長任內復議八勝八敗卻不願正式民意反撲復議失敗後為回歸制度反輪為不實行不從委不守法之三無隔閨甘願作為架空立法權勢大壽將台灣推向全面綠色威權 |
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賴清德總統日前邀集五院院長查序倡議團結,習為敘情講一支政治秀,其口說安慰憲法卻是法律為無物,習為台灣民主最卑劣的背叛者。 |
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请不吝点赞 订阅 转发 打赏支持明镜与点点栏目 |
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严厉之谴责案正告赖清德总统与主任太院长应立即停止违法滥权不复属不公布不执行之行径回归宪政运作之基本秩序是否有当公权案宣读完毕 |
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法院會依照立法院職權新司法第八條第三項規定本案經提案人說明提案子去大體討論之後即一決交付審查或禁服二讀或不予審議依照黨團更共識本案提案說明及大體討論我們均不再發言 |
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現在有台灣民眾黨團提議禁負二讀依照黨團共識我們要進行表決現在針對台灣民眾黨團提議禁負二讀我們開始進行表決現在民進黨團要求記名表決贊成台灣民眾黨團提議請按贊成反對按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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關於報告表決結果出席82位委員贊成53位 |
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反對29位贊成者多數台灣民眾黨黨團提照案通過本案進覆二讀依據立法院執行新市法第74條之一規定交付黨團協商我們現在做以下決議交付黨團協商並由台灣民眾黨團負責召集協商報告委員會上午會議進行到此為止下午2點30分我們要繼續開會進行施政方針及施政報告之質詢先來休息 |
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卓院長各位閣員午安 抱怨後我們繼續開會對行政院長施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢質詢之前我們請副理事長報告部會首長請假請醒卓院會行政院來函外交部林部長佳龍本日下午因公請假由陳次長名其代表列席文化部李部長遠本日下午因病請假王次長實施代表列席 |
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運動部理部長楊本日下午因公請假由黃次長啟黃代表列席小委員會許委員長嘉欽本日下午因公請假由李副委員長嚴慧代表列席報告完畢好我們接下來請登記第四位王安祥委員指詢范雲委員請準備 |
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院長好 是不是有請卓院長跟顧部長麻煩請 卓院長 國防部長被選報告員好 院長好 部長好 |
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我今天的質詢就從軍購開始台灣民眾黨其實我們1月到美國去拜訪了一些當地的智庫跟政府的官員回國之後我們就提出了台灣民眾黨版本的軍購特別條例 |
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可以看到這頁投影片就是我們在我們草案的第五條裡面我們現在邏輯非常簡單就是官方有看到美國已經願意要出售的軍品包括他的項目跟他的數量我們就把它列在我們這個草案裡面 |
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那基本上所以後來看到了包括前一陣子的這個發駕書跟這個最近今天好像看到又有那基本上大概都涵蓋在我們這個草案第五條的這個項目裡面 |
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那我想這個過程也很順利目前看起來行政院版還有臺灣民眾版還有昨天臺灣民眾黨中國國民黨版也都赴為可以併案來討論那希望希望這個大家能夠義中求同不曉得院長怎麼看這件事情 |
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國家基於這個國防最嚴謹的專業評估需求而且考量國家的財政能力跟年度的規劃經過長時間提出了1.25兆的這個特別條例跟往後的特別預算 |
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這是一個整套的規內容包括總統所說的他必須要有台灣之盾還要用AI高科技形成一個擊殺鏈第三個是發展國內的軍工產業這個是整套的任何一種規割裂都會讓我們在執行過程上會產生一個現在不可預知的狀況同時我要說 |
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軍事的採購是我們向外國做採購不是外國拿著一張單子來兜售我們沒有辦法讓他拿一個單子四處在外面兜售要各位看到了單子以後我們才要去就單子內容再做選擇這整套的規劃我還是誠懇的期待以國防部所提出的這個規劃來作為我們最終討論的依據所以我想台灣民眾黨這邊的基本上我們的邏輯就是這樣我剛剛說過 |
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只要能夠確定能夠買到的東西其實我們基本上台灣民眾黨都是支持的啦那可以看到這一頁啦就是這個上面有部長就因為這個發價書的事情嘛我們的期程上可能會有一些這個來不及的狀況啦所以院長跟部長應該有看到台灣民眾黨今天早上我們已經送案到行政院來希望可以啦如這個部長說的我們現在可以事前的授權那部長應該有看到這個新聞吧 |
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跟委員報告有看到這個新聞我也要跟委員報告民眾黨在會黨的版本裡面的第四條是將這個已經經過美國智慧國會的這個項目把它列出來而且把這些項目列出來以後還把它列上金額那我要跟委員報告現在您提到這個發價書 |
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如果將這個相關的這些已經智慧國會的金額啊寫在那個條例裡面這是將條例跟預算其實是混淆了因為我們現在接下來他先請做一個智慧國會的出戶報價之後我們現在還有發價書發價書之後呢發價書上面還會有金額 |
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之後他還要進行一個議價的程序是相關的議價程序才會有確認相關的金額那另外我們還有國內配合的項目我們譬如說要買海馬斯我們海馬斯不只是只有海馬斯我們還有海馬斯相關要容納這個海馬斯相關的系統的一個 |
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一個擔保這樣的一個設置譬如說像這樣所以您這個貴黨這樣子在這個第四條所列這樣的一個金額把它列入條例裡面我想這個並不是一個很適當的一個作為那從發價書這一個事情的事先授權就可以看得出來我們這整個 |
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行政院版的這個是經過兩年的時間不斷的在做一個內部的研討又企圖一個整體的規劃案出來所以你們不能夠只看這個智慧國會的這些項目然後呢把這個智慧國會的項目就把它列那其他還有很多的項目像剛剛院長提到了台灣之盾這不是只有相關的軍購的部分我們還有相關的AI的決策的系統要連結上還有我們國內委制的強攻 |
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的這個系統都要放在這個特別預算它才整體的形成一個台灣支柱的規劃那如果說你現在只看得到說智慧國會的部分你要不要把它擺進來那其他的部分都略而不論的話那我們這個整體的這個整體的戰力的規劃整體的評估就完全完全是變成一個零零碎碎而沒有辦法形成一個整體的戰力可是您還是支持台灣民眾黨 |
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提這個案子能夠解決這個所謂發架書先行的部分應該是支持我們做這個我想發架書要先行授權就是反映著我們提出了這個版之後條例一直沒有辦法互違那麼現在已經經過智慧國會之後美國都已經進入了 |
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要提供給我們發價書要我們簽署了我們現在連條例 戶委然後預算都還沒有開始審議所以我們還希望說還希望說當然希望貴黨現在也很願意接受我之前的一個呼籲就是說 |
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在預算貨物之前今天授權我們來進行這個趴價數的簽署就是未來有一些新的我們都願意啦加到這個我跟委員報告你現在講的是三項我在這裡再跟您講一下第四個趴價數已經來了第四個趴價數已經來了那您現在授權是要我 |
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我是建議啦我們現在五個部分經過智慧國會你現在列的這個幾項有一些事實上並不是屬於這個我們要放入特別預算就是說國民黨版我看到了他有一些不把這個不是把應該放入特別預算把它放進來那現在屬於這個 |
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貴黨提出來的那五個要放入特別預算的這個部分我是建議一體授權讓我們全部可以簽署發價書所以你也贊成我們這樣來做法嗎就是在把海馬仕像這個後來的發價書的部分對那我們現在還有一個反專甲的Artist 700的部分那個發價書還沒有拿到所以我想是不是如果說立院同意的話那就是五項的發價書全部 |
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對當然那個部分還是要經過我們這個立院的一個程序啦我現在只是說本席的一個意見啦我們是希望協助啦能夠盡快的能夠取得我們的軍購的項目啦那我想現在那個國際情勢瞬息萬變啦所以這個大家可以看到 |
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這個因為戰爭嘛所以接下來的事情也許跟我們的國防未必有直接關係而是可能跟我們的能源的政策可能會有一些關係啦大家可以看到這些投影片上面就是我們現在的燃氣的部分其實比例很高就是我們現在新的這個能源規劃上其實可能到50幾個% |
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然後基本上這個價格因為這個戰爭的波動其實價格會有很多的這個很明顯的上漲這個都會讓我們非常擔心會不會因為我們這個燃氣的這個上漲LNG的部分會不會造成我們這個電費的上漲然後可以看到現在這個 |
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卡達的部分這個比例還蠻高的啦那其實我這一天有聽到很多這個不管是民間啦 或者是一些學復單位他們其實都對這個事情有點擔心啦我想這一天部長也針對這個部分再做一些說明那就這個我想國外很多媒體啦其實也提出了很多的這個警示啦跟我們說我們這個能源政策要非常非常小心而且現在看起來啦我們大概只有大概11天左右嘛 |
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這個大概不到十一天啦 十多天啦 還沒有達到這個可能還不到兩週啦所以這一次因為我們前幾天都在講這個關稅的部分 這講ART的部分這個是不是可以通過ART來協助解決這類的問題有請部長是 報告委員 我們長期的規劃就是這樣就是我們跟美國簽訂的這個MOU裡面還有ART裡面事實上有說明就是說會從卡達採購的這個 |
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天然氣的部分一部分慢慢移轉到從美國進口從現在開始到因為我們現在從美國進口大概是10%多一點慢慢的增加到2029年會到25% |
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所以會有效的中東的地區就會慢慢降下來這個禮拜二其實也針對關稅的部分大家做了一些討論不過目前看起來因為有一些變化所以基本上可能要等到美國的一些協商我們最後這個案可能才能夠確定我不知道跟美國確定這個事情會不會延緩到我們所謂燃氣的供應 |
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沒有這個MOU的部分我們這個採購本來就是我們的政策我們跟哪一家公司買在哪裡買這個本來就是我們的政策我們本來就有做這樣的打算所以基本上大概都已經成型了就關於燃氣的部分我們應該已經找到一些其他的替代 |
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當然我剛剛提到這個LNG氣體的部分燃氣的部分當然是不是要考慮到其他的一些能源的替代就包含這個所謂的核電的部分這個台灣民眾黨去年八三我們辦了一個公投我想我那次也大概喚醒了很多人對於這個能源規劃的一些重視這一天大家很多媒體也在講這個事情就是說現在核三好像在做一些評估 |
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那不曉得現在核酸的進度如何因為我們那個自主的安全檢查已經開始那也跟那個原廠就是西屋公司MOU已經簽了所以很快的西屋公司就會派人來共同的把這個自主安全檢查裡面再仔細的看看要哪些是不是有老化需要做一些修正的部分那另外還有一個再運轉的計畫我們今年就是這個月的月底 |
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就會送給這個海岸會是就是有兩個部分就是要進去的嘛 要進去審查一個是環球委員長 一個是在運轉計畫這兩個已經開始同時進行那看起來好像因為最近提到大概都是核三的部分我想現在核二大概評估的狀況怎麼樣 |
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核二也會同步進行只是核二因為他的這個燃料棒因為乾式儲存還在建置當中所以他的燃料棒還要是拿出來以後才有辦法去做自主安全檢查所以時間上會稍微往後面一點點 |
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所以其實我也非常感慨去年幫著台灣民主黨去各地宣導這個東西那現在看起來是啦對我本席來說希望真的是能源政策能夠多元這一次戰爭的部分就可以看到一些我們處在地緣政治的部分其實這個部分非常非常重要 |
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另外有關於戰爭的部分其實另外一件事就是我這幾天其實有接到我本身也有接到這方面的一些訊息我想院長這邊應該知道就是在地有非常多不管是那裡的僑民或者是過境旅遊的人他們在這幾天裡面其實承受到了非常多的壓力我這邊就接到幾位有一位甚至後來買到機票 |
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搭上飛機或是在邁古這個已經Landing了他還賴了我就可以感覺到他那種不安一直到了最後到泰國他可能才能夠Relax所以基本上我想說這個事情是不是外交部可以跟我們講一下大概的一個狀況好像很多人大家可以看到在網路上也有很多好像我們跟其他的國家好像那個認知不大一樣或採取的策略不大一樣然後這個好像這個是最近才看到的一些指引 |
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另外就是我們在一個群組裡面他們跟我們說他們要成立支救會我覺得這個對國人來說當然是一個蠻大的打擊因為大家知道過去那些國家我們都覺得它是一個相對安全的地方甚至我們很多國人很喜歡去那邊不論是過境轉機或者是去那邊旅遊這次現在截至目前為止到底現在整個整體的策略大概是怎麼樣 |
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我先跟委員說明一下我們都應該完全體會到在當地的國人或是旅客他們各種焦慮的心情我們完全完全體會而且要想辦法盡量紓解所以第一時間我們請外交部還有 |
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交通部、觀光署要主動去找到在當地的旅行團、團客及自由行的遊客另外在當地的僑民也請外交部能夠一一的主動用電話的方式或其他方式加以聯繫表示政府是關心大家的那麼旅行團無論是團客或是自由行的遊客我們希望他能夠第一時間能夠買得到機票回來停止他的旅行 |
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第二能夠由陸路去到空域已經開放的國家再匯回來現在我們也期待如果當地的航空空域都開了我們也希望能夠跟當地能夠洽商政府也在考慮經由雙方的同意對方的同意我們採行包機方式把他們接回來但這個取決於對方第一個有沒有空域有沒有開第二個空域是否安全再來我們雙方的洽商是否能夠完成但是這個部分 |
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我們還在努力當中我想非常多國人尤其旅外非常非常殷切期盼剛剛院長說的部長應該同意啦當然我們現在完全可以了解國人在那個地方旅行的不便帶來的不確定心那麼我們也要求住館到場服務那麼另外一個問題是說因為自由行或者過境的旅客 |
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比較難掌握那我們也大力的宣傳也請委員幫忙宣傳在人際之間就是能夠到外交部能夠來登錄登錄之後我們聯絡的到我們看到機票我們就會通知相關的東西我們會去跟航空公司去交涉機票的價格飛的班機等等 |
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然後另外一個是說像幾個沒有空域沒有開放的國家我們必須要安排他陸路來行動像您提到這東西事實上我們包括像卡達在內 |
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那麼我們要確認陸路是安全的我們才可以因為好多說法嘛可能就是讓他游陸路過去嘛曾經有這樣的講法嘛我們都有個別的說明像我們從這個卡達我們就已經在3月4號晚上有第一團10個人從 |
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陸路到達這個沙烏地阿拉伯的利亞德然後安排班機回來台灣所以我跟這個院長這邊說啦就是我跟做一個警示啦我本身也收到一些人跟我們求救啦那希望未來啦就是不管我們立法院啦或者是我想兩個部會剛剛交通部次長這邊我們可以一起來把這件事情做好我想提供國人最好的一個服務可能就是我們最大的一個時代經過外交部跟交通部公安署的努力這三天當中已經有八個團體 |
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246人回到國內那其他還有6個團體的108人我們會持續的快速的依照他們的意願真的有些人他是願意還留在那邊我們不能強迫願意回來的我們一定想盡辦法透過空路透過陸路想辦法讓他回到國內來 |
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好 感謝那另外在這次的ART裡面其實對我們這些勞動的學者其實是非常開心因為很多我們在21期貿易台美的貿易倡議裡面基本上已經在講的事情這次都有寫在裡面因為我們長期在關注這個事情所以我們對這個事情也非常期待有更進一步的發展 |
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像這個部分就是說的所謂集體勞動的部分在這一次裡面我想美方也希望我們有更好的集體勞動的一個展現可以消除很多我們結社的一些困難 |
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這個當然我們過去也長期花了很多的精神很多的努力我想在國內當然事業單位我們有特性不過像我們前一陣子比較特殊的就是我們一些公部門適不適合組工會 |
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像我們這個錦霄他們這個創業非常久了那我們也希望藉由這次Art是不是可以讓我們這個集體的部分集體勞動的部分能夠得到更好的一個發展那是不是請部長可以跟我們再說明一下好 那汪阿元因為汪阿元其實是我們在勞動頂域深耕很久的而且很專業的學者所以我想汪阿元其實應該也很清楚其實這一次的Art的簽署裡面當然 |
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結社權的部分因為也是符合我們覺得對於勞工的這個權益然後是有幫助的所以我們跟美方有產生這樣子的共識那希望能夠往前來推進那這部分我們大概會有五年左右的這樣子的一個法規的調試期因為台灣的中小企業的確比較多所以我們接下來往前走的時候我們會包括第一個事情是我們也會請這個一些專家學者一起來做一些研討 |
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那對於這個接下來的工會法或者是這個爭議的這樣的處理相關的法規那在這個法規修訂上面的一個可行性那也會包括各個相關的團體那不管是雇主團體不管是勞工團體 |
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跟大家討論把大家的意見再收整那來提出這樣的方案那我想其實這個方向我們都是都是非常非常支持的所以就像剛才萬元說的我們希望能夠在結社權的部分真的能夠再往前再走一步我想這也是很多台灣勞工跟我們勞團的殷切的期盼另外就是我想這次他也提到很多人權的部分我想中美常常台美人在談這個事情的時候常常都在講這些事情 |
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那所以我們目前有這個講很久了那批所謂的行動方案那我不曉得現在這個行動方案大概的狀況是如何那看起來2024有一版那現在會不會因為這個ART的簽署可以讓這些事情進來得更快一些些那尤其是像這個強迫勞動的部分 |
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我們前一陣子我們台灣的廠商也被他的產品被扣在美國的港口所以基本上這個事情我們是不是要我們倡議非常久就有關於禁止調查的部分是不是要全面來做經濟部還是說我們正在入法不曉得現在行政院這邊大概的進度是怎麼樣 |
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在強迫勞動部分其實也是這一次ART簽署的其中一個很重要的重點所以其實在2月12號我們簽完ART之後其實在2月13號勞動部就已經發了我們關於防治強迫勞動的這個指引那這個指引其實內容非常的詳細 |
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那所以接下來我想我們也會用這個修法的方式來針對說也許會有一些移工過去可能會被扣留證件的部分我們會直接立法來禁止那至於跟經紀部方面我們其實也可以跟經紀部一起來合作那 |
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對於企業對於這些強迫勞動可能他們不是那麼了解相關的規定或是不知道那麼了解風險樣態的部分我們會有一個輔導團然後來去協助企業能夠辨識風險進而能夠降低這個經營的風險我想這是很重要的事情那這部分我們都會跟經營部接下一起那NAP的部分會比較是經營部這邊 |
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的計畫,但是我想勞動部我們有權利來協助對,勞動部前一陣子也發了指引不過前一陣子勞政跟人權委員會他們做了一些調查其實國內對這個部分還是認識比較少而且我常常注意在這邊跟大家說就是現在這個人權,感覺我講的是人權是大道理,不過現在跟台灣的企業經營會有非常大的關係還是請不管是行政院的部會能夠多加留意 |
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我們現在勞工的人權已經變成是企業要打國際賽的重要的競爭力我想我們是非常清楚這件事情的另外當然這一塊就是漁工的部分這個應該是所謂農業部的管轄就是我們長期在關注台灣的尤其是遠洋的漁船 |
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很多的愚工我們過去很多年都為了這個事情傷腦筋看怎麼樣來處理其實對我們國家整個人權的狀況都有很大的衝擊包含美國每次人權報告都會提到我們這件事情 |
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所以我們當然是希望說漁工跟我們在路上的漁工都享有一切的待遇而且大家可以看到這一次的這個就是這次阿德明寫的這一句話這個對我們非常非常的很期待有這一句話就能夠跟路上的這些我們的勞工能夠享有一樣的這樣子的一個勞動權不曉得部長怎麼看 |
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謝謝委員的關心那我想在漁業的遠洋漁工的部分其實我們漁業與人權行動方案裡面一個非常重要就是要保障遠洋漁業的勞動條件跟勞動的環境那針對勞動環境的部分包括他在漁船上的一個居家的一個環境空間使用wifi的一個可能性還有下船以後的臨時短時間的這個居住我想 |
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我們漁業署都已經一步一步都到位了後續我想我們會更加強整個漁業的薪資或勞動條件的一個更精進我知道過去有像是CTD或者是像Wi-Fi其實農業部這邊都有做了一些努力也有一些進展其實我們最近比較談到的就是這些遠洋漁工要不要適用一些國內的勞動法 |
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當然有比較多的學者也許他們會講到勞基法啦那當然我是採一個比較中性的是不是有可能我們現在的災保法有可能適用就像我們現在的這個家庭的照顧的移工一樣家事移工的部分他雖然不適用勞基法可是他也有可能有災保的保護不曉得部長覺得怎麼樣 |
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我跟委員報告一下就是說漁業的勞動的權益的保障是我們共同的一個目標那但是因為遠洋漁業是在境外僱用境外解僱所以他在很多監管方面來講就是會比較困擾所以我們現在正在跟環境跟勞動部在討論說有沒有一個更好更有效率的能夠確保我們遠洋漁業的一個勞動的一個權益這是我想我們最核心的一個價值 |
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所以我希望藉由這一次阿特的簽署能夠真的讓不管是大家對我們一般的移工製造業的移工或者是我們遠洋的移工能夠藉由這樣子我們跟美國簽訂的阿特基本上會有一些長途的發展我們也很希望阿特送到立法院以後真的是希望朝野委員可以一起來支持因為這裡面的確會有很多不只是對我們經貿上有幫助也對我們整體的人權都很有幫助的重要的共識的條文這樣子 |
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好那另外當然這個我在要來立法院之前有非常多的勞工或勞團他們其實一直在這個應該說敦促我一直要來問這個事情就是現在勞工的退休的保障的部分我想這個應該是很多人大概都知道 |
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那我們現在退休裡面分為兩部分一部分當然就是老保的這個所謂老年年金另外一就是勞退我們現在看老保的部分其實這個大家都知道我們現在少子女化這個所謂的幾富制其實這個財務其實有很多的問題而且這個老的人越來越多少子女化年輕人越來越少 |
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就這個不管是勞動部還是行政院這邊對於這個除了撥補以外啦對於這個勞保的這個他的一個基金的一個運作狀況有沒有什麼一些想法 |
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跟委員報告其實在勞保的財務上面當然大家都很關心那我們也非常非常盡力要不斷的監測這個勞保財務的情況就目前應該是在115年的1月最新1月底我們看到現在勞保基金其實的累積其實已經到了一兆快4000億一兆3900多億了那這都是逐年從109年開始撥補 |
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然後還有包括我們在投資的效益也很不錯累積起來這其實也到了一個勞保財務的新高但我們不會因為這樣就是很樂觀也不是我們不是這個態度因為的確未來都還是會有很大的挑戰但也因為這樣其實我們在上個會期其實也修了勞保條例把政府的撥補包括最終責任的概念也把它修到法規裡 |
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所以當然接下來對於勞保整體的改革我想我們會密切關注啦但的確相對應如果要更進一步的改革比方說涉及到給付涉及到這個費率的話的確會需要社會有更多的一個共識尤其他牽涉到勞工的權益那對於牽涉到勞工權益的部分我們都會特別謹慎 |
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那當然另外一個就是這個啦老退的部分啦我想部長應該也常常聽到非常多的勞團他在做這個倡議啦因為現在6%他們覺得說很久了很久都沒有調整了然後相對於其他國家來說這個就是固定固體的那個部分啦其實很多的勞團都在倡議說是不是要提高啦那其實我們黨也有在第四屆的時候也提過這個問題啦那不曉得這個部長這邊有沒有想要說就是這個 |
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我想非常多老闆非常非常殷切的期盼想要知道說到底其實6%是法規要求的最低標準我說雇主提撥6%是法規其實現在我看到越來越多的企業他提撥超過6%甚至他可能是 |
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是企業跟工會之間用團體協約的方式來去協議超過6%的部分那其實我們也跟金管會合作那把這個超過6%的部分其實列為其實一些企業治理的這個永續治理相關的指標其實我們把它給列進去那這都讓很多企業其實越來越關注也越來越有動機去把這個地板可以再往上拉高的狀況那的確當然大家在關心包括有沒有要用修法的方式來把這個地板再拉高 |
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那我覺得這部分的意見我們是很願意來聆聽各界的意見啦尤其是勞工但的確這也會涉及到企業上面的意見那我們也很願意來聆聽各界的意見那針對這個問題大家來做一些討論因為勞工的退休的生活他的經濟安全我想勞工部一定是最關注我認為行政院也是很關注因為越南已經好幾次都非常非常關注這個問題所以 |
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在相關的做法上面我覺得我們可以有一個比較整體是可以有一個比較整體性的思考那把各界的期待來做一個總體上面的意見的交換我覺得這個是我們是可以來討論的所以部長那個有關字體的部分有沒有想說可以給一些比較獎勵的方案或支持的方案我說字體必須要那個6%的部分 |
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我跟委員報告我們其實的確現在有在研議因為其實如果勞工願意自提尤其是這幾年看到這個勞退基金的這個勞退的這個這個投資的效益真的是很不錯其實真的可以對勞工的退休金有更多的幫助所以我們其實現在也在研擬一個鼓勵更加鼓勵大家自提的方案尤其是因為現在真的比較多自提的還是薪水比較高的那一段 |
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那薪水比較低的一些勞工他覺得自提的誘因可能比較低一點所以我們怎麼樣來設計能夠讓一些薪水相對比較不那麼高的勞工也有誘因跟動機更多的誘因跟動機來自提鼓勵大家來自提其實我想我們也在研擬相關的政策這跟我們包括三個原則第一個我們想保障退休勞工退休之後生活當中最基本的 |
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能夠安頓他的生活的條件第二個也不想在勞工的這個繳費的過程當中增加他的任何的負擔跟辛苦所以第三個我們希望從企業來著手企業如果能夠增加這個最低的標準往上提升的話在企業將來永續發展的這個公司治理上面可以給他獎勵那後續還有勞動部更進一步的作業要做鼓勵自體我們會來研擬相關讓大家誘因更高 |
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好 感謝那當然最後啦因為我來自嘉義啦我在中正大學嘛那基本上我想地方上對這個聯絡這個所謂的高鐵跟嘉義市的這個輕軌其實這個非常殷切的期盼啦我想這個其實有一些大家這個出錢分配的問題啦那我在這裡也沒有要再這個講這件事情那希望大家協力啦共同促成不過各縣市還有很多重大的 |
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好 謝謝王翔委員的質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長備詢 謝謝接下來我們請范雲委員請質詢蘇清泉委員請準備報告 謝依奉委員發表聲明今天上午的表決與國民黨黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄 范委員請 |
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麻煩請卓院長、國防部長備詢 |
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范委員好 我相信我們都是Team Taiwan對 我們都是Team Taiwan那我看了卓院長在昨天就是我們台澳之戰之後有寫說之前有人提過我想您再講一次很有意義不能夠只在球隊贏球的時候喜歡他們愛他們所以我今天特別穿Team Taiwan我相信我們韓院長一起都會為我們今天晚上的那個台灣隊加油那我想 |
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其實今天我特別要請那個顧立雄顧部長上來也是我們整體都是聽台灣我想先請顧部長您可以看到我左邊這個夠大嗎看得出來這張是什麼嗎這是個模擬圖 |
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一個防空防禦的一個概念防空防禦的這個照或者是一個網那這個呢是我在查到的是路透社模擬鐵穹的示意圖 |
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我想今天我特別的因為我們在整個審查的過程中跟藍白對話的過程中我發現台灣民眾非常的不了解就是到底我們這個強軍條例上一屆的幹事長鍾嘉斌一直覺得用軍購條例不夠好他用強軍條例不管是強化國防 |
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因為不只是那我想這個部分部長應該非常了解這個鐵穹已經被非常多人認為是世界上經過實戰考驗最久的防空系統這個是2024年BBC的用語世界上那為什麼可以這樣宣稱呢因為鐵穹根據報導 |
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它可以阻擋超過九成的攻擊在極端的威脅下能夠持續戰鬥的系統是一個非常優秀及短程防空能力可以攔截傳統的飛彈防禦過去成功抵禦哈馬斯等加沙武裝組織還有黎巴嫩真主黨發射的飛彈這是2022年的報導再往下我們看 |
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根據美國中央司令部司令過去這幾天內CNN報導引用的中東衝突這四天內伊朗軍方已經發射超過500枚彈道飛彈超過2000架無人機 |
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那这边我给大家的照片这个是BBC的照片那不只是国际媒体顾部长应该没有机会看到下一页就是我们台湾人在以色列透过社群媒体 |
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告訴我們他在五天前拍的照他在正常的工作的過程中聽到警報然後後來出來的時候他的小孩看到說天上有人在畫畫結果他看了一下他說這是 |
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鐵穹藍結的白煙霧線條那非常多人現在在追蹤我們這個台灣人在以色列的發文讓我們知道他們怎麼樣就是強大的國防實力跟全民防衛的一個力量鎮靜的繼續過他們的生活下一張 |
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那他也給我們看到剛剛的那個攔截後十分鐘之後飛彈的碎片會落地然後這個作者他自己拍給大家看的這洛杉磯猶太小街製那我覺得這個以色列的鐵穹也許會有助於理解台灣的處境下一頁那當然我們知道我們面對的是非常不一樣的敵人 |
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伊朗的國防預算根據我查到的資料就2026年到2027年兩年是2.9兆新台幣那中國呢我們的就是敵人中國他的國防預算2026年是8.8兆所以我想部長非常的同意我們跟以色列的處境不同因為我們面對更大的威脅 |
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今天我想透過這個機會想問部長一個問題因為我看到非常多的國防專家下一頁在討論一件事台灣之盾跟鐵穹有哪些相同跟不同的地方部長可以在這邊告訴大家我相信它有相同因為如果不同沒有人會拿來做比較哪裡相同可是我們也知道面對的敵人實力不一樣地理位置也不一樣我們有台灣海峽他們沒有武器實力也不同 |
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攻擊的武器是不同部長可以解釋一下鐵穹跟台灣之盾有沒有相同點然後不同的是在哪裡嗎我這邊跟委員報告一下以色列他現在的一個現役的重層的防空系統鐵穹是他的一個底層也就是說主要是反火箭跟火炮那麼他其實還有一個中間層叫大衛坦工 |
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然後他另外還搭配上層的這個叫AERO就是JANS這個彈道飛彈的防禦系統來搭配他最近甚至有搭配的一個叫做Iron Beam就是鐵術的雷射武器所以他是一個多層的一個那我們現在要打造的這個台灣之盾也是 |
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依照總統指導也是要建立一個分層防禦一樣都是多層高中低的一個分層防禦我們要有一個能夠高度感知然後能夠有效攔截高度感知有效攔截所以在這邊也要跟委員報告一下就是說不管是這個我看到國民黨昨天提出來那個版本他現在是說 |
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就這個現在已經智慧國會的這幾個部分讓他把它擺進來擺進來之後他雖然講說是有3800億加N但事實上他說你要加的話要再另外提特別條例所以我今天早上已經有回答了也就是說他這個條例其實上線就是3800億他沒有加N這個概念 |
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所以他沒有加這個概念意思就是說現在所有有關台灣之盾的部分事實上都沒有擺進來事實上都沒有擺進來所以部長依照你講的下一頁我們現在如果用國民黨這個3800億加N而且N我想已經都有人講過N是空的嘛他只是說得提個第二期不是他說可以再提一個特別條例 |
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這有講跟沒講一樣本來就可以再提一個特別條例意思就是說這一個特別條例這一個他現在提出這個版本的特別條例就是3800億為頂了那你要另外再提那你另外再提特別條例那一樣我們要透過一個特別條例然後互違然後另外通過之後我們還要再提出預算然後他說要等到什麼拿到發價書之後我們才可以提出另外一個特別條例我想 |
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這個對於軍購的整個程序是完全不理解這是一個預算的概念我想這兩年以來行政院跟立法院之間會存在很多爭執也就在這裡記得去年是立法院希望行政院自行統參自行刪除自己的預算 |
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過去是沒有這樣過去至少要經過兩院院長協商那這一次是立法院的預算的方式是立法院想要可以加再來加加一個N字如果可以3800億加N那這個N代表什麼意義現在沒有人知道所有的法案我們如果只有一個硬體只有購買一些硬體對 |
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實體而沒有把我們整套的軟體設計好以後再加進來都沒有用的這是一個常識問題我們家裡裝電腦也是一樣為什麼國家的國防系統要這樣分割呢我是在沒有辦法理解也無法接受 |
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好 謝謝院長那部長所以很明確現在依照國民黨這個版本是做不到台灣之盾原本你們花了兩年的時間規劃設計的這個多層的這沒錯吧就是說簡單講第一個他其實沒有3800億加N的概念他就是3800億因為N這個事情他要另外提特別條例所以沒有加N這個 這第一個 |
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第二個這裡面沒有含任何台灣之盾的元素第三個他說這個特別預算的執行期間要到117年的年底為止到2028年底也就是117年底為止那事實上我們現在他所提出來的有關不管是自走炮海馬仕或者是有關這個托斯飛彈跟標槍這些我們沒有辦法在117年的12月31號以前獲得的話 |
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就無效了所以這個連時程都是假的對然後他還要懲罰他要不要移送監察院 |
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我看民眾黨的是到中華民國122年至少到122年這個也就是說我們跟美方有一個有關交易期程的一個規劃那我們會提出這樣子的一個方案這是我們要跟他那所以至少至少就軍購便宜我們先不要講說現在全部都沒有我們所必要剛剛院長提到了我們要AI的輔助學術系統我們要有自身的強弓的這個中程的彈道的 |
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這個彈道攔截的一個中程的一個反戰術彈道飛彈的一個這個我們自己的委資系統才會構成整個台灣之盾然後就算他這個項目裡面就在他這個項目裡面軍購的部分他也暫時都沒有擺進來那他現在說要等到發價數我想這個程序上絕對是來不及的 |
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所以總的來講如果依照他現在講的實質的執行期間到117年為止即使是他現在所提的我們講的這些美國國會的這些項目的話這執行上也不可能所以這個條例等同是實質上全面的擋住了 |
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我們這個特別預算所以國民黨的條例等於是實質上全面擋住了這個特別預算因為他不只是就是該有的系統沒有連武器的部分 事實上也實質限住了剛講他時程上到2028年底 |
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以我最近聽到的AIT的很多的部分事實上這是買方市場就像您剛所講的就是包含國防部的賣方市場所以我想這問題真的很大那因為不過所幸今天早上大院是連行政院院板都覆了所以將來是有機會是有機會好好的來審理要讓馬兒好就讓馬兒跑不要跑兩步回頭還要來吃草 |
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而且我在這邊也要講我們的無人系統我想這個是非常可以看得出來在俄武戰爭無人系統事實上已經發揮了關鍵性的一個作用甚至連這一次美國攻擊伊朗也用了無人系統所以無人系統的自主性 |
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他的這個對我們的防衛人心是非常重要的如果將我們的特別預算將這個整個無人系統我們有一個做一個長程的規劃讓這個所有願意投入這個無人系統的這一個我們國內的這些廠家都能夠看得到 |
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他的未來他才能夠建立一個自主的規模這對我們整個防衛任性的建構是非常非常重要的我也非常認同無人系統的建立也許是後值本土的國防產業的重要性但是我看到反對黨的說法就是說他認為這裡面可能會有弊端部長您怎麼回應這個部分 |
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我想這個所有這些項目我們都是會經過公開的一個採購那所以還會按照這個採購法來相關然後我們也會接受相關的一個集合所以不能夠去汙名化這個不管是國內的委制或商購的部分那國防自主一直是我們這個國防建立國防能量的 |
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一個重要的一個元素這也名利在國防法裡面的那似乎現在意思就是說我們反正是在國內我們進行委資或進行商購都會被他講成好像是就 |
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沒有辦法讓國人能夠相信這個在國防部立場我完全沒有辦法認同那我認為很多必須要立即獲得的事項國內的現有市場已經有的而且國內具有產生能量的 |
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而且我們還要因應這一個科技的迭代創新像無人系統那我們更要監控國防的一個產業發展這些等等的因素我們認為除了軍購以外 煨制跟山購的這種管道獲得的裝備也是非常非常需要的好 謝謝喔報告委員賴總統的治國理念非常清楚一定是要清清靈靈的一定是要嚴懲不法的 |
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如果政府任何採購有任何的弊端政府內部自己嚴查嚴辦國防部如果軍購採購有弊端國防部自己嚴辦國防部不辦行政院來辦真有弊端不用立法院來移送行政院自己就嚴厲的來處置這個請大家要有信心 |
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我想當然拿口罩國家隊來比喻並不是很好但是最重要的是它是一個防衛的韌性所以無人機國家隊我想這樣子的一個自主國防產業跟非紅工藝鏈我是非常的認同所以我也是覺得反對黨就是以這個理由來講的話根本就是阻撓我們的防衛韌性 |
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因為這一次國防部的理念中除了不對稱的戰力之外另外一個就是防衛韌性所以非常的重要那我想部長應該可以認同這是我從專家的說法中看到的台灣之盾不是只有武器購買我們剛講武器購買 |
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國民黨的也是有很多的問題還有雷達升級特別是整合戰鬥指揮系統還有人工智慧AI跟相關的一個體系的建立那這些部分在國民黨的版本中都沒有不知道顧部長你覺得我這個整理有沒有錯嗎我們這次的三個目標打造台灣之盾民眾黨的做不到國民黨的也做不到然後高科技加速擊殺鏈第二個兩個也都沒有 |
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費用供應鏈也完全被刪掉了部長覺得我這個整理的有沒有錯是 我想我們在我們要籌購的這個能力的項目裡面就有一個非常重要就是AI輔助與C5ISR系統這個部分就包括了這個人工智慧決測資源系統那這個部分會要整合我們整個 |
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做為一個大門做為一個大門就非常重要的那你看到鄉下所有的麻煩然後那些都沒有在有資助的那這個這個最重要的這個最重要的這個最重要的 |
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范院委員韓院長謝謝你的質詢好謝謝卓院長相關部會受到背景謝謝我們接下來本日最後一位質詢委員蘇清玄委員請質詢 |
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好 謝謝主席 那我請院長再請卓院長備選什麼啦 沒緊張啦請石部長請衛福部長備選蘇委員好院長好 院長辛苦了不會輕輕鬆鬆回答就好了啦很認真的回答我是當海軍陸戰隊的機翼 |
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民國七十一年 直到七十三年海軍陸戰隊當時是很苦的每天早上都著火清 請爹哭不管下雨不下雨都跑一關也在跑當時民國七十二年的時候台灣第一批的脫勢會戰進來那就在海軍陸戰隊那邊就在林園 駱駝山那邊 |
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當時的參謀總長是郝柏春我是衣冠 要去Stand by我們都很興奮看到那個線性的托市會單現在的托市會單有沒有改良我不知道啦 |
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那我要跟院長報告就是說 我們的國防是日新夜異啦那你們這一次 今天互惠了嘛 還互惠啊有你們的一兆多的 有四千億的 有三千八加恩的昨天為了三千八再加恩也在那邊討論了很久所以沒歡樂不是要馬而跑 會跑 然後要回頭吃草 然後再跑不可能這種事情啦 沒歡樂啦加恩就是這個意思嘛 |
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沒有啦,不是這個意思啦我3800步再回頭再吃個草再跑300步昨天到現在又多了300步所有的委員最擔心的就是國安部花駕駛美國國安部提出來的 |
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沒有問題 它是111億 我們就認了但是另外一個軍火商的 我們有點擔心另外一個自主原化的 還是有點擔心這樣說就說這兩塊而已嘛你如果說美國國防部買我們的 |
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自主研發對我們這個軍工產業國內的自主產業是最有助益的這塊如果把它弄掉我們就沒有可能將國內的產業來升級非常可惜一定要支持的當作產業發展我們的經濟那個是好事讓我們也融入國際的體系讓我們整個都upgrade那我覺得這是好事你可以好好請教顧部長我們就是這樣的想法我們在一個島嶼內防衛作戰 |
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我們在戰時的時候我們如果沒有國防自主的生產的能量我們要從外援進來並不是一件容易的事情國防自主這一個塊是寫在我們的國防法裡面是我們要強化的那怎麼會現在變成國防自主這件事情變成一個被汙名化的東西呢沒有沒有沒有我們在恆春在屏南 |
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從科醫院、酒棚那邊我也去了好幾次我還甚至去那邊做醫療演講叫他們如何構形配 |
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我告訴你 我們自己的海馬示威單如果都是外購 外購 外購 打一顆就少一顆嘛那如果像天宮你有自己研發 我覺得很棒所以我們要研發零零兩千啊所以海馬示威單我們要零零兩千啊所以三個版本都來了 一起討論一定有你們要歡樂啦 |
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我是希望這三塊 擊殺鏈 台灣之盾 跟自主的國防工業都能夠全部讓委員 報告委今天晚上台灣隊跟日本比賽沒有本土的球員 我們不可能組成國家隊 |
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但是我們也可以請我們在大聯盟的優秀的好手回來日本的好手也可以回來但是沒有本土的球員國家隊都成不起來205P工廠已經有一些完工了子彈的製造已經可以提高好幾倍 |
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你還在外購一顆買18塊然後自己產的8塊錢所以正是因為我們要強化我們的產線彈藥的產線我們要提高我們的戰備存量這也是在我們這一次的特別預算裡面非常強調的一個部分也希望委員能夠支持 |
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如果是這樣我一定支持謝謝委員我雖然當醫生但是國防我們非常非常的關心你問時部長我看他很關心嗎那請委員一定要支持因為整個概念想法做法就是這樣好那謝謝謝謝部長那院長上次的質詢你有答應我說那個急重症醫師的加班會值班會的問題你說 |
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去年底會有一個結果我們遲遲的等呆呆的等現在還有一些身份上的分辨的過程包括軍醫還有公立醫院還有私人醫院這些醫生的身份我們還要再做一些最後的一些分析跟定案 |
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已經跟衛福部提出過一些比較詳細內容的報告我本身在做重症我們部長他本身也是急診科那這位醫生一直在跑不是說我顧我自己這位醫生比方說零五三個醫生最近六個GS的醫生跑掉四個跑掉四個那這樣的話是會出問題的所以院長 |
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你已經說過年底 現在還在...變得比較快就可以了 否則你都沒回答來 請部長想說明對 跟委員說明其實在這段期間 院長非常關心那也指派了這個陳政委協調了好幾次因為這個跨好幾個部會那從這個所得稅法開始那麼有一些一定這個標準下的 |
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加班費可以適用免稅規定做出發點來檢討合宜的加班上限時數多少時薪怎麼計算免稅額怎麼計算到最後前面這邊都有共識的現在最後一個就是身分別的差異 |
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希望大家都能夠拉平不要讓公立醫院的公職醫師跟民聘、約用醫師不同或者是跟私人醫院的醫師不同又會造成人力之間的相對剝奪感所以差最後一個就是最後讓他拉平院長 我要報告公務體系的加班人太少了 |
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根本就了備一格嘛經常要叫人家補休假醫生要怎麼補休假所以講這個是沒有意義 要幾百塊所以沒有誘因所以我們要感謝也體諒到公立醫院醫師過去長時間在這樣的體制底下還是願意來從事這種行醫救人所以我們在從制度上希望能夠把它拉得比較平均化一點 |
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就是公立醫院的醫師、軍醫還有市立醫院的平均化要把他拉到已經到最後了他涉及到一些法規上要修訂一下這一次的春節我們委部跟健保署非常努力我這裡要肯定他花了一些錢 |
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做集中症的分流然後大部分的加班費都給醫婦人員好像百分之八十我是覺得這非常好那這次春節的集中症分流的不錯那這裡我有一個case我有跟部長報告這個就是在屏東 屏南跟院長報告這是一個很好的例子用這個例子就可以講很多 |
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這個病人在別的醫院停掉CPR在急診CPR多久呢?70分鐘70分鐘喔,那應該是沒了一般我們都40分鐘就放棄了年輕,因為年輕,50幾歲所以就送過來我們這邊來到這間醫院,就在這間醫院給他裝醫藥膜在急診室就裝了裝完就整個拉到 |
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去做心腦管手術手術完之後到ICU 艾克姆放了八天 |
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八天後拔掉夜空我要寫信給部長跟那個說夜空也我們拔掉啊大家高興這付出多大的人力物力啊再來估計是拔掉再來這個你看到這張照片好像打烏啊我在那邊被愛心啊臥開啊 氣開啊還跟我說話 |
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所以這就是要集中整個團隊,這個團隊要差不多45個人,為集中到島管市、到開心手術、到ICU,四、五十個人,再來又叫五個緊急性島管,為台北回家、日南島回家,心理工事要求,再開一個主動玻璃破壘開心手術,台北人都救救起來, |
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像這種的,一種團隊,你把人家賣掉,沒理由這叫做做的、叫做算的,他們要怎麼做?我天天想的都是這種問題而已我不是在說為什麼,就是為了好好的照顧 |
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院長像這種你就要好好的一個分流之後這些重症團隊要好好的呵護不管是公立醫院不管是社團法院才同意所以很敬佩集中這個團隊包括書員在內讓大家一磅接一磅把一個生命給他留存下來搶救一個生命那是多大的一個功德對不對所以已經做到這個事情了我們也希望說那所有過程當中的醫師 |
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已經參與集中症還有其他的一樣在從事這些技師救人醫師能夠讓他在制度上更公平那再來我們0到6歲的小孩子 |
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我們黨團討論很多 但是我要跟院長報告這個是兒科醫學會 他們的訴求你說0到6歲的孩子 但是台灣年輕人不是不會生也不是不會生 是不敢生兒科醫學會就有這種要求說0到6歲 跟他們的健保會施掃不然你多少錢啊 你不要反對啦 你是在反對什麼 沒錯嗎沒有啦 |
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其實我每天想的跟委員在想的都差不多啦都在想說這些集中症的人力怎麼留住包含這個兒科也是一樣不過呢以現在我們對於這個兒童的保費我們分兩種一種是低收入戶中低收入戶在福利對象其實我們在保費上有的已經都全免了有些是還有補助給他啦 |
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第二個0到3歲的孩子部分負擔的部分醫療費用我們也用公務預算都cover了所以剩下的差別是差在哪裡因為我們健保室大家都是量能付費互助互利接下來剩下的都是其實委員報告0到6歲他在跟你牽絲你就講一句好不好 |
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這樣就好啊 對不對 他說一千個理由 都是理由啊這不是騙錢的問題啦 這是說要將這個主管發揮到最大而且喔 我們老大人 孩子人 我們要做全面的規劃 而不是這裡切一塊 哪裡切一塊到最後 只集中在某一部分的人在負擔那整個制度上的負擔會集中在 |
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就是中創年齡這個階段那這個會發生一個制度上未來我希望那個下個月婦幼節能夠有好消息啦好不好謝謝婦幼節有婦幼節的好消息沒有啦謝謝啦我請經濟部長請經濟部長請經濟部長謝謝委員婦幼節啦我婦幼節等你的好消息啦 |
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委員好 來這個剛剛有很多委員都講了我們台灣一天要一條船的那個液態天然氣的船嘛你有講嘛差不多一天要一條那現在我們的永安接收站跟台中港接收站都OK吧那現在你有第三跟三接跟四接現在是怎麼樣 |
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三接現在已經有開始營運但是可能要有第二期四接現在正在環評環評已經過了但是現在正在施工三接已經施工了嗎三接已經部分完成了我們希望有第二期你的來源是三分之一從荷莫茲來另外是印尼還是美國各三分之一 |
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對 美國 澳洲澳洲 澳沙利亞那所以來演調配 沒問題 |
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目前就是說三月份大概都已經可以調到貨了今天我們中區的立委都問我說你要問院長看看那台中港那六支煙囪是不是要重新啟用了我說那我不知道啊還沒有啦 不會啦那個開始落後煙啦因為我們現在重心就擺在還是在這個天然氣怎麼樣 |
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因為剛剛委員講我們大概1%或是30%是從中東來汽的部分所以70%事實上還是從其他的地方這個是OK的所以說我們就盡量把30%利用不管是提前調貨也好或者是在市場現貨市場買希望把30%把它補起來這個才是我們現在最重要的工作 |
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那這一次的這個打仗跟能源的危機雖然是還沒有很嚴重的事情發生但是如果再拖下去就差不多問題就不出來了那我們如果再燒煤炭再燒燒拖堂就開始空氣汙染我們現在的衛生就沒用了大家都煩惱到要死要希望所以新的核能 |
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院長你點眼說新核能你也能接受我要請教你什麼叫做新的核能 |
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現在其他國家先進的一些技術都在討論當中包括核融核SMR等等都在討論當中那這個要商轉還有一段時間那我是說我們現在要全面去接觸這些討論讓我們也有機會在未來當他到達一個核安沒有疑慮核廢可以處理的情況底下大家取得高度的共識對於核能來不會像過去的核能對環境的 |
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破壞威脅那麼大我們就可以來討論我們要不要接受這樣的我們要全面接觸這個討論我今天有看到那個BBC有寫美國的Terra Power他宣布他要幫Microsoft做實作 |
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核電廠那希望在2035年之前全部完工那裡面就有像院長講的有SMR有核融核有核分裂所以這個都是新的那我們一定要追上去那我我我我很很很高興說我們印度很清楚也對著時代不堅持說要非核家園這個是錯誤的過去也不是你們造成的所以 |
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傳統核能時代的非核家園我們在去年5月17號已經達成了我們已經沒有了那現在我們是面對一個新時代的來臨民生產業都需要我們更開放的能源政策我們往這個方向全力來直接接觸核產廠核產廠在9月的時代就框了500多公頃 |
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那現在我看兩個機組佔的差不多100公頃而已如果你要發展新的核能剛剛講的那一些這個地方夠 核地方夠穩定所以一定 這是一個很好的地方好好的坑路 |
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核三廠經過核安法的修法之後他必須經過有法定的程序提出自主安全檢查跟再運轉的計畫那這個目前經濟部督促台電都在進行當中而且最要有核安會來審核同意之後我們才能 |
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考慮要不要怎麼處理那他自主安全檢查跟再運轉計畫過程能不能完全達到最好的安全標準目前還必須有多層的努力當然當然當然就好像剛剛部長也有講核二是比較慢核三比較快那另外一個就是核工的人才 |
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我看像河山廠的這個剛剛卸任的廠長 前一任廠長 欸都很優秀欸欸都台電派出去的 都去MIT打破書這些人你一定要好好的珍惜 好好的留不然的話 這對台灣是重大損失喔有 報告委員在河山當初除役的之前我們就跟經濟部跟台電講過盡量把人裡面的同仁都能夠留任下來 |
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留下來也為了要處理和後之間的很多問題對 這個很重要人才就是國家的人才沒辦法控制難力什麼執政那個都不重要啦整個國家要怎麼發展要對子孫負責啦所以人才就是大家要留養 |
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那再來我要跟你講的就是前兩天又在屏東又那個環境部又做那個環境影響評估那個風電風電我如果看到這個風電我看到就一百歲了宜蘭、花蓮、台東反風車大聯盟那些都管政府都不要做了屏東這裡我們賣私心一座又一座 |
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一定有,你等一下也說,如果不確定就不要,一支合一支風電,一億三千萬,一億四千萬,現在反正又多了,一年發電五百萬多、六百萬多,大家都反對,低頻噪音,好像外遺症我就聽不下去了, |
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結果這樣還要再賠?報告委員在多元發展綠能還是國家現在二次能源轉型的目標多元發展綠能當中風電還是佔一個相當的比例但我們說過我們曾經說過這個環境敏感的地帶以及地方政府如果有不同的意見那絕對不以強推任何的風電廠 |
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那個風電、太陽能都是要在土地廣縮、鳥無人煙的地方,我們都去看過嘛,去美國阿里桑那、去加州、去內蒙古都看過,幾十公里沒有半個人,我們這裡不是都住在一區,不能坐一區嗎? |
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主要發電量太少啦那個根本是CP值差太多包委員剛才院長已經有講了就是說只要是地方政府沒有同意或是他本身地質敏感的地區我們大概就不會同意啦那這個案子您剛才提到這個案子基本上也還沒有跟我們提出來蘇貞昌院長說了說種樹百里花要八十億 |
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屏東要種樹百里是創造美麗的天際線結果現在你搞風車在那邊破壞天際線 破壞風情不然這樣不好啦所以一定要注意好不好我們會遵照剛剛的原則 |
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對 報告委員 那個現在他們前幾天那個有來做我們環評第二次的初審那委員的意見非常的多也都幫委員考慮了大概有十個大意見您說的低頻噪音、眩影或是說鳥類生態或是當地的文化原住民等等都考慮在裡面那當然他們要申請是他們的權利啦那我們會嚴格的把關 |
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那也跟委員報告因為我剛好上禮拜到歐盟也看到荷蘭荷蘭也是跟我們一樣地不大但是我有特別注意到荷蘭的陸特丹外海的風機沒聲啦沒聲所以這個部分我們未來呢也會再多餘評估一下看是不是有一些更好的技術因為我們現在的風機都是比較舊的2010年的時候大量蓋的那時候那個那時候帶的風機比較吵一點點是不是有更好的風機或更好的方式我們會來研究會建議開發單位能夠再來處理 |
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基地部長在這裡有在講齁最後一個你的部分就是那個儲水槽擋槓的儲水槽儲水槽儲水槽那天明天明一定有可能啦齁那我跟你講齁 |
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這個我在第八屆立委的時候我已經有提了提這個大鵬灣那邊要一個出水槽那很感謝院長還有部長你們在小琉球做了兩個一個是五千噸一個五千噸一萬噸那大鵬灣這邊應該要做一個那自來水公司也很認真最近都有在討論就是在當天 |
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附近做一個五萬棟的儲水因為牡丹水庫到一百公里那一百公里常常通通你說那個水管橋這個就是水管橋以前的水管是掛在橋樑的旁邊風太大來橋回去那水管就破了以前風港 |
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就是這樣那後來水管橋就自己獨立了那這個水管橋很棒很棒自救出台時分開那最近重新粉刷右邊這個改成灰色的這個跟韌性有關我非常的欽佩因為這個不能看跟水面跟大自然都混在一起你用這個紅色的太突兀了 |
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那個要炸你的話很好炸所以這個改成這樣這個跟國防有相關我給你欽佩這個土水槽要做好不好一定好一定要做啦對這個民生跟產業相關的我們都會很優先的來考量兩位部長請回我請交通部長比較快的沒時間了麻煩請交通部長備詢 |
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我準備很多東西要問你來 柏定是我在各地 跟你坐在同一間車院長這柏定讚柏定時常都會看太太跟孩子都會做柏定時常都會去各地看工程啊對對對 坐同一間車我幫你幾次 不錯好 我要講我們屏東我們屏東的測速照相機 |
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全台灣第三家的啦第三名的啦屏東就多多少少人那這個測出照相一年罰款罰了全台灣三百多億你知道很夭壽的然後呢更好笑的是機車跟汽車的造勢力十大原因裡面都沒超出 |
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超市都擺給店所以我看你們是搞錯方向了吧報告委員這個部分我可以跟您做說明 |
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這個部分為什麼這個牌是這樣排因為事故發生的時候第一時間我們的警方單位去做筆錄的時候除非你有申訴要做更詳細的評估比如說車禍的噪音的詳細的評估才會去量速度不然一般來講你出車禍的時候沒有任何一個駕駛會主動跟警察講說我超速了一定不會說 |
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但是當我們要做這個真正的評估的時候我們測出來的數字跟委員報告他講的有語頻測數照相機從東到北去從東到坤町 十北去來回我們都要幾次 我不要算了然後呢 照順利 |
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如果一個路口出錯,就降速,降速所以這麼大條的路,四十三、六十三我們才七十、八十、九十,他不是啦剛好碰一下就變四十,大家隨便去踩,七、三次大家是走到街外,我們台北這些朋友或是這些同仁,去到屏東,去到那裡回來,絕對都有伴手禮 |
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辦手禮都兩點發動到三點發動我自己開車帶家人去超過五遍我沒有被拍過測速照相跟委員報告又是照相機又是區間測速要搞什麼鬼啊我們的造勢力德國是6.8他的高速公路是福利位 |
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沒有縣市我在德國被載過我知道在法蘭克湖那邊他開車我們那個車子歐寶的已經開到兩百四了旁邊要一輛一輛把我們超過去我說哇那輛載多久他說那輛載六輛載八輛就這樣造勢率6.8美國12.9台灣12.3所以 |
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跟超市無關的你就花錢然後存錢然後又去買測速照相機然後越裝越...報告委員你在說的屏南的那條道路我非常熟悉旁邊很多地方都有聚落住了很多人你試想一下如果那一段我們給它速限提到120你認為那邊的居民會安全嗎沒有啦我的意思就是說你是那個陷阱你可以七八十然後掉一下子變五十變四十這個可以檢討 |
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就是它降速的限制一定要比較人性化要看到都來不及取締它 它會覺得心裡不服氣我告訴你 你這樣拆下去 再拆三年 整個大廈都撤出降速機了這很多是地方政府的啦百分之九十幾以上都地方政府啦而且發大發下去百分之九十以上的經費都在地方政府啦 |
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不是說中央政府很希望法不會我們是上位的法規就是說對於速限如果你真的超出了該罰錢這個是我們上位法規但實際的執行不是我們 |
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就是還是要督促地方政府來檢討剛剛說的那個人性化的降速規定再來就是每一個路段一段時間要去檢討馬上檢討啦好不好一個路段要去檢討可以可以我先兩分鐘而已 拜託緊張還在造勢那就改用其他的方法那如果安全我們這個方法最後最後 最後三個我們督促地方政府來檢討平東的三個建設三個建設齁朱熙就不讓我講兩分鐘了不然我就說那麼久了平北的平北二塊 |
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那個高鐵再來屏南快速道路這三條這三條我做一下說你都要等到民國西延2037、39、40啦我會說我找不到呢 |
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不會中就死了會啦 你一定會中跟委員報告 你說的那個屏南二塊在院長的指示之下我們今年十月之前就會來開工院長有到縣地去看過 而且也有指示今年一定要開工我們在十月份國道10號延伸到新威大橋我特別幫他入圍我前處拍板 你知道嗎 幾年 |
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開工 也是院長區去開工的161開工的嘛 開工還住在鳳梯跟沿我要跟你說是十年 十年所以要感謝歷屆的院長在行政院這樣努力的規劃我們到現在才有辦法做所以高評二範我們去年九月行政院合定今年十月前 我要求一定開工要順利的招標出去開工你要像那個舞陽高架這舞陽高架 |
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38.8公里 他就多段開工這樣提早三年 提早三年也完工所以一定可以多段先開工 讓他可以提早完工你這樣一條路做要一直整年 會被人臭死我知道你好各家的效力很好請市交通部來演繹更快的一個分段開工的方式那工程來進行 |
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你看五陽高鐵 五陽快速路 那高架38不到39公里 真的是提早3天那個也規劃了很多年多年用地的取得也是有大的問題 現在已經一一克服了這個我會盯緊 好不好我們一起盯 謝謝好 謝謝蘇欽全委員指詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會所長貝勳 非常感謝 謝謝 |
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會議會我們本日排定的質詢委員就已經質詢完畢謝謝卓院長 曾副院長以及各列席的部會首長列席答詢3月10號星期二上午9點我們繼續進行施政方針及施政報告之質詢非常感謝陳培宇委員翁曉琳委員陪同我們一起參與今天的施政質詢我們現在休息 |