| IVOD_ID |
17249 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17249 |
| 日期 |
2026-02-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-02-24T09:31:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-02-24T13:09:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:37:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a609ad4b369430ec49792ae0661c3e5fd4cce5c851d1a80dd315ba6c771534d762f55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-02-24T10:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第1次會議（事由：一、行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告並備質詢（2月24日下午）。二、行政院院長提出臺美關稅談判結果及其影響專案報告並備質詢（3月3日）。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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09:31:29 - 13:09:00 |
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好我們請秘書長報告出席人數報告院會出席委員78人已足法定人數我們現在開會報告院會因為我們本次會議的議程有待溝通現在請各黨團幹部到議場後方主席辦公室我們來進行溝通現在休息 |
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法院會議我們現在繼續開會先處理朝野黨團協商結論請議事人宣讀法院黨團協商結論時間115年2月24日星期二上午實施地點議場主席辦公室決定事項一各黨團同意第五會期第一次會議議事程照議程草案通過原定2月24日下午施政諮詢議程一致上午報告事項必進行詢答完必即行休息 |
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二、各黨團同意行政院韓警審議之強化防衛問訊及不對稱戰力計畫採購特別條例草案及尚未提出之相關特別條例草案均列入3月6日星期五第二次會議議程報告事項交外交局國防財政兩委會與台灣民眾黨黨團所提 |
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保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰略計劃採購特別條例草案並按審查均不提出複議尚開尚未提出之特別條例草案請於3月5日星期四以前提出 必立院會處理三 各黨團同意本日下午4點30分進行總統國情報告之協商主持人韓國瑜 協商代表傅坤熙 林沛翔 徐宇珍柯建林 鍾嘉斌 陳培瑜陳青龍 王愛翔 邱慧露 |
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宣讀完畢請問院會對以上朝野黨團協商結論有無異議?沒有異議我們就通過115年2月24號朝野黨團協商結論今決定如下一各黨團同意第五會期第一次會議議事程照議程草案通過原定2月24號下午施政質詢議程一致上午報告事項必進行詢答完畢後即行休息 |
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二、各黨團同意行政院行情審議之強化防衛任性及不對稱戰力計畫採購特別條例草案及尚未提出之相關特別條例草案均列入3月6日星期五 |
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第二次會議議程報告事項交外交及國防財政兩委員會與台灣民眾黨團所提保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰力計畫採購特別條例草案並按審查 |
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均不提出複議 上開尚未提出之特別條例查於3月5號星期四以前提出必立會院會處理三 各黨團同意本日下午4點30分進行總統國情報告之朝野協商會議會本次會議程就依協商結論通過本次會議是日程確定 |
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我們現在進行報告四項請秘書長宣讀第四會期第二十四會議議事錄宣讀立法院第十一屆第四會議第二十四會議議事錄時間中華民國一百四十五年一月三十四地點本院議場 |
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出席委員陳偉培等111人請教委員楊委員耀等2人主席院長韓國瑜副院長江啟臣報告事項第一案宣讀本院第11屆第4會期第19次會議意思錄決定確定第二次223案 |
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其中第189、第190案均決定進入報讀與相關提案並按協商其餘一案均決定交互相關委員會審查處理或交互相關委員會諮詢事項表現委員諮詢部會一件討論事項第一案決議協商後再行處理第二至七案均決議通過其他事項一 |
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一百一十五年一月二十八日朝野黨團協商決議論一件二本市會議一致致辭照台灣民眾黨團國民黨黨團提議通過三一黨團共事本市院會延長會議開會時間宣讀完畢 |
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委員會針對第四會期第二十次會議議事錄並沒有委員或黨團提出錯誤或遺漏之處現在我們做以下決定第四會期第二十次會議議事錄確定請宣讀第二案請問議員會有違議沒有議議 |
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我們通過下一案報告院會報告事項第三案現在由國民黨團體金服二讀與相關提案併案協商請問院會有無異議沒有異議本案金服二讀與相關提案併案協商下一案 |
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4.委員羅志祥的連續《律師法》第7條、第74條及第76條談判修正草案禮交司法及法制委員會審查宣傳編 |
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五 委員林倩琦的凝聚 動物保護法 部分修正草案 擬交經濟委員會審查 宣言完畢六 委員林倩琦的凝聚 國民年輕法第五十四條 遵義條文修正草案 擬交生衛福利基金會上環境委員會審查 宣言完畢七 委員張正倫的凝聚 身心障礙者遵義保障法 部分條文修正草案 擬交生衛福利基金會上環境委員會審查 宣言完畢 |
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報告議員會報告事項第七案現在有國民黨團體進負二讀與相關提案並按協商請議員會有異議願意本案進負二讀與相關提案並按協商 |
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8.委員張勝倫難理據《國民營經法》部分條文修正草案 擬交社會福利基金會上環境委員會審查 9.委員徐欣穎難理據《宗教基本法》草案 擬交內政委員會審查 10.委員徐欣穎難理據《能源管理法》部分條文修正草案 擬交經濟委員會審查 11.委員徐欣穎難理據《家庭教育法》第13條條文修正草案 擬交 |
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為同我宣揚為同我宣揚為同我宣揚 |
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十四委員徐玉珍等你聚 國民連青法第五十四條 追一條無休日早安你將身為佛力優勝環境委員獲勝責 追一條無休日早安十五委員廖偉祥等你聚 國民連青法部分條 無休日早安你將身為佛力優勝環境委員獲勝責 追一條無休日早安 |
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委員會審查委員會審查委員會審查 |
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18 委員 蘇星璇 藍領巨 國民年金法 第54條 順一條 無修正草案 禮教 社會 福利 生活 經營 文化 審查 均衡比19 委員 台灣民眾黨 藍領巨 平原 地區 學校 教育 發展 條例 第21條 無修正草案 禮教 教育 經營 文化 文化 審查 均衡比20 委員 台灣民眾黨 藍領巨 道路 交通管理 出發 條例 第9條 第9條 之2 及第9條 之3 條 無修正草案 |
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為同我宣言為同我宣言為同我宣言 |
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23.總統府秘書長韓富本願通過進行總統進行國情報告並簽署諮詢之權益禮教黨團協商會處理宣布完畢24. |
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經費集合委員會行為本第130屆經費集合委員會委員任期屆本自檢証工作報告請推白相見委員禮教黨團協商會處理宣布完畢22. |
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委員通過下降 |
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二十五 南市駐韓送立法院歷選屆第五會及各委員會召集委員選舉實現地點票實現115年3月11日星期三 上午九時至十二時地點如下內建委員會紅樓202會議室 國家及國防委員會紅樓301會議室經濟委員會紅樓101會議室 財政委員會學校樓9樓大禮堂 |
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委員通過 下言 |
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抱怨會第26案及執行事項請一併宣讀宣讀之後第26案准予被查請宣讀 |
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第二選流案為本月男生出函為本月第十一屆全國不分區及僑區國會公民地不當選立法委員同為民眾黨籍紅委員郁翔、藏委員川崇、黃委員安翔、秋委員慧如、陳委員青龍、黎委員甄秀已於一百十五年二月三日星期二上午時時三十分到院宣誓就職 |
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諮詢事項 行政院答覆部分 行政院還送本院羅委員志強等鎖定諮詢至書面答覆過午間宣讀完畢報告事項已經處理完畢依照協商結論報告事項完畢之後我們要進行施政質詢之議程現在休息五分鐘並請行政院院長以及所有閣員列席院會現在休息 |
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嗯 |
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好 謝謝 我們抱怨會我們繼續開會進行行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告並備質詢我們也歡迎左院長跟各位閣員今天列席立法院祝福各位閣員新年快樂我們現在稍待一下 |
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好 |
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謝謝抱怨會我們現在進行行政院院長施政報告要拜託在場所有的委員回到座位以示對行政院的尊重再一次拜託所有的委員回到座位上坐好讓我們一起共同來維護立法院的秩序以接下來 |
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我們要請行政院卓院長進行施政方針報告韓院長 江副院長各位委員先進 |
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大院第十一屆第五會期今天開議本人率領行政團隊應邀進行施政報告並備諮詢相關的重要的施政與印製書面送交委員敬請參閱以下請就近期的成果跟未來的重點發展扼要的進行報告2025年11月29日齊柏林衛星順利的發射升空 |
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農曆年前海昆號潛艇進行多次的潛水潛航測試這兩項成就代表中國民國台灣已經誠如賴總統所說的我們邁向競逐太空探索海洋的國家願景台灣不只是地球上的一個小島我們正展現旺盛的生命力我們也會站在世界國際的高峰 |
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與美國對等談判的相關結果美國最高法院在2月20日作出的判決我政府會關注變局確保成果以及審慎因應來儘快後續的發展而有關232條款部分美方已經多次說明不受影響但會繼續的完成調查同時擴大啟動301的調查 |
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接下來談判團隊會審慎評估與美方密切的聯繫掌握日後美方其他可能的關稅法律途徑為的是確保我國已經達成的232最惠國的待遇也維持我們與其他競爭國家的相對優勢一切要以確保國家以及產業的最大利益為目標並且會適時向國人充分說明 |
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在這個轉型與躍升的時代要因應所有的考驗國家必須加足馬力全力啟動更開放更富強更安全的國家總路線將中華民國台灣徹底打造成一個更文明的社會以及更公平的國家在全體國人以及百工百業共同努力之下我們去年的經濟成長率達到8.63 |
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出口也達到6407.5億美元這都創下歷史的新高我們希望透過這樣的成長帶動內需的產業提升整體的國力強化國家各項基礎建設因此我們必須要更開放的台灣 |
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我首先要實踐的是更開放的土地政策政府已經針對國有平地耕地以及國有邊際養殖用地兩類土地重啟供地放領的政策讓長久以來耕作的農民可以依法取得土地的所有權政府也會加速推動以住戶為主體的都市更新 |
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我要放寬融資率獎勵1.5倍的上限除了我會翻轉逐項條件別加的計算方式之外同時要進一步來增加融獎鼓勵捐贈給社會住宅、青年宅以及婚姻宅者會再加碼獎勵50% |
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另外,還要持續推動擴大填海造陸計畫,為的是保全國土的完整性,防止海岸線的流失,也增加港區以及產業用地,同時也解決營建剩餘土方最終去處的困擾。 |
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再來我們要創造一個更開放的金融環境我們民間資金充沛銀行 保險 證券三大行業的總資額已經超過了133兆元這十年來成長了七成去年11月 亞洲資產管理中心在金融資產管理規模已經攀升到36.5億元 |
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超越原定兩年增額4億元的這個目標而兆元投資國家發展方案也引導資金投入國家建設達到3372億元相較2024年成長了112% |
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政府會積極推動設立主權基金為的是打造一個國家級的投資平台協助國內產業佈局全球建立資本來源與財政平衡機制確保資金具備回應全球經濟變化的韌性與強性此外我們參佐美國天才法案的通過我們積極地推動《悉尼資產服務法》的立法 |
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來研議發行穩定幣等虛擬資產業務達到產業發展強化監管對標國際趨勢 |
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在個人投資儲蓄方面我們已經有台灣個人儲蓄投資帳戶TISA這個功能會增加誘因未來會增加租稅優惠建構一個讓更多人參與更容易投資以及更穩定的長期投資制度也加強國人退休保障機制 |
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另外百工百業都需要更開放的勞動力方案為解決人力的問題尤其是觀光業、旅宿業、商港碼頭業等等跨國勞動力精進方案今年元旦已經正式實施以本國勞工加薪為前提會增加移工的名額並放寬資深移工的流用從多元管道提升勞動條件創造勞資雙贏 |
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而《外國專業人才延攬及僱用法》也已經上路對於國際頂尖人士、橋外生、數位遊牧人才、海外國人的第二代等等都是我們攬財的對象進一步要來鬆綁放寬它的工作規定、永久居留的條件跟強化社會保障制度等等 |
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至於外籍家庭幫庸政策也在最後研議的階段為的是減輕家庭的照顧壓力要把勞動力留在職場並且我們會以弱勢家庭以及高需求者為優先減輕特殊家庭的負擔 |
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民生及國內各產業我們都需要更開放的能源政策多元發展綠能是我們二次能源轉型當中首要任務未來的重點會持續推動加護屋頂設置太陽光電的加速計畫 |
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5617.451 |
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而在離岸風電方面,台中港建設的離岸風場航行空間傳播交通服務中心VTS已經正式啟用。明年我們會再增設四座雷達場,並且借接六個風場的自動辨識系統。我們善用科技來守護風場以及航行的安全,展現我們推動綠能政策的決心。 |
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至於核官法修法之後,台電針對核二、核三廠會依法定程序提送再運轉計畫,以及啟動自主安全檢查。而目前台電與核三廠的原設計廠商簽署MOU,會提供台電安全檢查及未來相關的技術服務。 |
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我們未來要如何面對新式核能如SMR、核融合等等技術的發展在核安無虞、核廢有解以及社會共識的前提底下這三原則我們保持開放的態度政府會全面接觸各式先進技術的討論讓產業及國人安心確保能源充沛以及穩定的供應 |
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以上這些要完成都需要一個更開放的法規命令所以行政團隊會積極與社會溝通達成共識落實以下各項法制工作 |
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我們目前要修正的包含有都市更新建築容積獎勵辦法都市危險及老舊建築物建築容積獎勵辦法外國技術人力工作資格及許可管理辦法產業創新條例歡迎台商回台投資行動方案審查作業要點 |
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更留台灣企業加速投資行動方案審查作業要點中小企業加速投資行動方案審查作業要點中小企業加速投資貸款要點再生能源憑證實施辦法以及電業法等等 |
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行政院開放政府國家行動方案推動小組會持續與社會公民合作完成各自管理的透明化部會資料開放以及公共城市開放的發展等等打造一個多元透明公私協力的開放政府 |
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再來談談更富強的台灣蔡英文前總統所提出的5加2產業創新計畫以及六大核心戰略產業讓台灣掌握全球工業鏈重組的先機而賴總統所提出的五大信賴產業也帶動台灣的百工百業發展強化國家安全與韌性 |
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百工百業在全新的環境中會持續前進政府會以以下13項戰略產業作為國家未來發展的重點第一當然是半導體產業跟留台灣佈局全球繼續維持領先 |
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第二,人工智慧,以AI新十大建設為核心,建構全民智慧生活圈。第三,矽光子、量子等關鍵技術,這要強化台灣供應鏈的自主性以及我們的韌性。 |
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第四 AI 機器人以台南柳營園區作為核心基地結合沙崙智慧機器人研究中心與六甲智慧機器人創新與應用研發中心展開各項高科技產業聯繫跟研發工作 |
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第五是軍工產業發展軍用無人機及AI機器人打造我們軍工產業的飛鴻供應鏈第六安控產業在可信賴的基礎上接軌國際加速產業的智慧化發展次世代通訊產業建構衛星地面設備6G模擬網測試試驗平台加速通訊產品商用化的進程 |
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5862.277 |
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第八是關鍵礦物我們透過與美方簽署的細甚式宣言強化採礦提煉探索礦源等等的領域的合作第九生技醫療整合自主 |
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技術以及數據的資源驅動產業創新與健康數據的服務落實健康台灣願景第十 亞洲資產管理中心將高雄專區的經驗我們要複製到其他縣市提升資產管理的服務第十 第十一是基礎公共 |
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建設以及都市更新會增加民間參與投資的誘因增加導入以住戶為主體的自主都更全面加速台灣基礎建設升級第十二項是文創產業會打造以打造百大文化基地為核心強化台灣文化主體性及豐富的文化生命力第三是造園觀光產業發展匯產經濟 |
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國際會議經濟演戰會經濟以及國際體育賽事經濟而財團法人台灣觀光研訓院也會在今年的7月正式的成立未來將與產業協力行銷台灣觀光行塑國家觀光品牌 |
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以上13項戰略產業讓台灣的高科技業持續來保持領先也讓引領百工百業進入一個智慧運用的時代而我們會特別特別地重視中小微企業的多元振興與發展持續推動中小微企業多元振興發展的計畫今年會投入109億的預算協助推動淨零數位雙軸轉型並且協助擴展國際的通路 |
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那麼在數位轉型這一方面去年我們在中小微企業當中聚焦於智慧餐飲業服務以及健康照護的領域已經成功導入550億家的場域今年會擴展到智慧製造智慧商業服務智慧農畜牧等等另外國發基金繼續辦理第13級的海外投資容積貸款也會將基金由300億元倍增為600億 |
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至於位於竹科的先進半導體研發基地今年二月正式的動土這將會是我國首座新型態高科技半導體的廠房以及12吋製程的試產線將來會協助新創團隊以及中小型的IC設計公司降低驗證門檻加速技術商品化 |
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另外我們會以鼓勵生育、陪伴養育、支持教育為核心提出新的生育養育教育的成長計畫生育方面擴大生產生育的補助方案結合社會的各項保險我們一律每胎補足到10萬元不孕症試管嬰兒的補助3.0也將首次申請提高為15萬元 |
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在養育方面會繼續推動0到6歲國家一起養2.0的政策減輕育兒家庭的負擔至於在教育方面補助私立大學 |
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學雜費以及大專院校住宿的補貼還有我們的新宿舍運動跟博士生的獎學金都依序辦理教育部也開始試辦清涵優秀學生力學獎學金每年提供8000名的名額每個月8000到10000元的獎學金鼓勵這些清涵但是優秀的學生們 |
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至於公立高級中學以下的學生的學校導師職務的加給每個月調高到4000元兼任及待課老師的終點費全面調整20%行政工作獎金也最高增加2000元 |
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透過這些新的生育養育教育的成長計畫我們會給新生兒10萬元的見面禮我們會建構0到6歲完整國家養的托育政策而且我們也積極的研議讓7到18歲的青少年能夠得到人生的第一桶金 |
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此外為了落實健康台灣的目標去年癌症篩檢的經費從28億增加到68億同時也成立了癌症新藥的基金同時為因應超高齡社會的來臨今年長照3.0中央證據總預算編列了1153億從居家、社區、醫療到機構整個銜接起來 |
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有了以上更開放更富強的台灣我們當然需要更安全的台灣今年一月我出席海巡所辦的走私圖品暨查獲案件的成果發表會親眼看到新式的巡防艇服務一年之後就展現威力查獲重大的案件可見國建國造的成果正在逐步落實 |
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然面對中共持續進行的各種灰色地帶的侵擾政府跟全國人民都是國軍最堅強的後盾過去十年除了軍工教加薪我們累計條幅達到14.7百分比之外國軍還有23項的加級調生光是去年其中的五項的加級調生就增加了138億元的經費 |
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近日內我們也核定了無人機戰鬥部隊的佳績每月最高可領一萬兩千元 |
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今年的國防預算總計9495億元達到GDP的3.32%而強化防衛韌性及不對稱戰力計畫採購特別條例的草案未來8年我會投入1兆2500億的預算來打造具備建構重層防衛體系引進高科技與AI以及後職國防工業 |
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等三大特色的先進防衛作戰系統很高興剛剛的協商我們也可以看到副委的曙光希望大家能夠緊迫的讓這個特別預算能夠通過然後在特別的條例當中托式飛彈標槍飛彈 |
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及M109A區的自走炮三項軍售美方政府已經向我方提出了發嫁書草案依照這個程序應該在3月31日前完成簽署跟支付首期款所以我們必須掌握這個時間韓院長 江副院長沒有國哪有家 沒有國哪有黨國家安全不能等 也不能再擋 |
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為因應國安五大威脅及14項策略行政院已經提出了各項修法海南法今年1月5日正式發布另外國家安全法陸海工軍刑法 |
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陸海工軍軍官士官服役條例國軍退除役官兵輔導條例等修正草案也送請大院審議而自從實施打詐新市法及新世代打擊詐欺策略行動剛臨2.0以來詐欺案件數以及財損數有下降的趨勢但我們會繼續精進各項打詐的工作 |
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而為了肯定第一線警察同仁的辛苦跟付出年前行政院也調高了刑事加成以及勤務繁重加成全國有6萬名的警察同仁都可以依法領取韓院長、江副院長以及各位委員先進我要再次的重申 |
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對國家的唯一效忠對中華民國憲法的唯一忠誠是我全體國人尤其是全體公職人員最基本的國家信仰這份信仰必須出於主動必須出於真誠而這份信仰不容打折也不容有任何的瑕疵更不要測試國家的法律底線 |
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有了以上更開放更富強以及更安全的台灣我們絕對有能力讓台灣成為更公平的台灣在經濟快速成長之後全民要共享經濟成果可以打造更公平的台灣所以在加薪方面過去連續十年我們已經調漲最低工資達到兩萬九千五百元明年可以突破三萬元以上遠遠的超過 |
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在減稅方面調高了2025年基本生活費21.3萬元也調高了長照特別扣除費到18萬元今年5月申報綜合所得稅時候國人都可以試用而明年我們會依據各項指標繼續調高免稅額扣除額以及課稅的級距預估696萬戶在明年報稅時都可以感受到這樣的變化 |
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在增福利的方面農民的退休儲金比例負擔我們調整了政府從五成提高到六成農民負擔降低但是實質不變老農津貼也提高到一萬元國民年金基本數提高到五千元這就是增加福利的方面 |
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另外在照顧國人生活保護弱勢生計以及兼顧國家財政三項原則底下對於身心障礙者生活津貼中低收入或老人生活津貼弱勢兒童及少年生活津貼等等的六項弱勢族群生活津貼我們也會予以適當的調高跟補助 |
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而為鼓勵青少年生涯的多元發展我們發行了運動幣 文化幣 還有客家幣都深受族群的喜愛我們會陸續擴大 持續加碼 |
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至於今年百億海外圓夢基金至今已經錄取了1463位青年今年特別寬列34個項目355個名額提供給弱勢偏鄉原住民以及特殊家庭的孩子們讓圓夢的可能脫離城鄉或經濟能力的差距去年12月行政院 |
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青年諮詢委員會的會議有一位青年委員提出了強化青少年家庭照顧者支持措施而這個案子我們已經在行政院的院會當中做出了重要的決定會強化對承擔家庭照顧責任的青少年家喻支持促進他在就學就業和生涯的發展 |
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可見面對各種的意見只要我們更開放更包容政府就永遠可以做到更多更好而且更快2026年世界棒球經典賽即將在過不久幾天就開打平時分散在台灣日本美國的職業我國的職業好手紛紛會加入成為堅強的台灣國家隊 |
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其實台灣本身就是一個國家隊草野來自不同的政黨對內可以競爭對外必須團結我們每個人都可以在每一個位置守護台灣也可以在每一次為國家出擊的時候拼出最好的成績新會期開始誠懇的希望草野不分黨派以國家利益為優先 |
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能夠審議通過院版的財政收支劃分法讓我們的經濟更安全能夠審議通過115年度中央政府總預算讓我們的社會更安全也能夠審議通過強化防衛韌性及不對稱戰力計畫採購特別條例及預算讓我們的國家更安全 |
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我堅信現在的台灣是中華民國最好的年代我們必須也必將站在世界的高峰我也堅信全新啟動的更開放更富強更安全的國家總路線一定會讓中華民國台灣變成一個更文明的社會更公平的國家各位委員先進我們不怕挑戰 |
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挑戰會創造未來我們也不怕競爭競爭可以壯大台灣以上報告 敬請指教 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝卓院長的報告在進行諮詢之前我們先做兩項宣告一 施政方針及施政報告諮詢以疑問疑答方式進行每位員詢答時間為30分鐘如果以兩個議題進行諮詢每個議題為15分鐘採用聯合諮詢時候依人數合併計算詢答時間但不得超過三位 |
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二一登记次序轮到咨询委员如果不在场已放弃咨询论采用联合咨询时其中咨询委员如不在场亦已放弃咨询论询答时间不予并入另外为了提升国会的形象身为院长在此特别要拜托各位委员在这个会期开始 |
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我們會議進行期間維護我們會場的莊嚴與莊重請各位委員除了飲用水之外盡量不要吃任何東西另外在議場也拜託大家委員不要喧嘩維持會場秩序進行詢答的時候本院的委員及列席的官員 |
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今宜穿著正式服裝以示對憲政的尊重在此呼籲各位委員我們大家一起來努力我們現在進行質詢之前先請秘書長報告部會首長請假情況 |
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首先我們要請政黨傅坤祺委員請質詢陳青榮委員請準備 |
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今天是中華民國一百一十五年第一個會席的施政總質詢剛剛聽完周榮泰院長了無新意面對現在世界經濟動盪的此刻看不到什麼明確的輪廓 |
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表示國家根本沒有做好相關的準備在這裡我們要特別強調一個有自信的國家在進行國際談判的時候第一個一定要堅持國家利益的極大化第二個要讓人民的風險降到最低 |
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但是這一次的台美經貿談判ART我們非常的失望人民看到的是第一個沉默先行細節不明交換條件模糊最重要是國會缺席一個 |
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有自信的政府不是這樣子來做事情國與國的談判本來就應該要開大門走大路台灣從來不缺實力缺的是政府有沒有自信我們不是不跟美國合作而是不能制度不明 |
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在不透明的情況之下來合作我們不是反對軍購是反對缺乏有節制與監督的軍購我們不是反對關稅協議而是反對不完整不公開不穩定的黑箱作業首先我們請 |
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負責談判的鄭麗君副院長請上台知道傅坤祺委員跟所有的委員依照憲法徵修條案規定本院委員是向行政院院長及各部會所長進行諮詢因此 |
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除院長請假未能列席之外才能由副院長代為答詢原則上副院長上台備詢過去都有上台啊那沒關係那我們請卓院長麻煩請卓院長備詢 |
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請問卓院長鄭麗君副院長主談這一次的協議卻在今天早上九點率先來開記者會在立法院國會執行之前先做議事表達然後今天應該 |
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主動向國會議長表達他可以主動上台解惑事宜既然代表我們的國家出去談判為什麼不能在國會殿堂做一個清楚的報告沒有關係我們尊重韓院長才是但是我們也希望鄭麗君副院長 |
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應該主動表達意願要上台來報告來說清楚來講明白請問卓院長我們跟美國台美簽署的ART是否有效 |
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我先跟委員說明大院3月3號已經排定了關稅談判的專案報告那一天政府院長是否依例能夠上台來報告我們要請韓院長還有大家來夠決定過去那一次是可以的所以今天並不是副院長不上來是3月3號你們已經排定了他就會來報告是不是專案都可以上台國會是一個最開放表達意見的地方 |
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沒有這麼多的限制如果跟鄭麗君副院長他有信心就應該站上來今天就應該站上來在全世界風起雲湧的今天就應該讓全國國人能夠了解報告委員這不是他有沒有信心而不是躲在制度的保護傘下面請中台院長請回答這個簽署是否有效ART我們跟美國簽署的ART |
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在全世界來看我們已經取得最優越的這個 |
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相對的優勢跟優惠的待遇那我們認為美方現在對於新的在因應最高法院判決之後他還在調整他的內部程序但是我們會堅持相信本席請問你是否有效我們會相信主張而且會要求這種簽署雙方達成的協議應該繼續有效而且被尊重那麼將來必須要所以卓院長請回答本席的問題 |
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因為時間有限請明確回答本席有疑義的地方會再請教您所以ART您認為有效這是經過美國最高法院大法官判定違憲的這樣的一個 |
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條例 您認為有效是判定違法違法 它的違法法律所以 OK 您說既然違法違法 您認為有效違法是違法它國內這個違法法律那麼我們雙邊談的是基於國際上的談判所以 左院長 左院長 是你有沒有看到歐盟今天的議事表示 |
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有各個國家都有不同的立場表達對日韓我也看到 歐盟已經清楚的表達要暫緩所有對美關稅的審議所以你還一廂情願一廂情願認為這是有效的我們現在還要探討美方現在政策的方向你竟然認為有效那北溪請教一下122條的15% |
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川普大帝宣布了這個部分對台灣有沒有疊加如果是現在122這個條款全世界通用是百分之十五疊加所以我說我們如果我們如果主張我們的ART的簽訂百分之十五不疊加那是比較有利的所以剛剛九點鐘鄭麗君副院長宣布我們不重啟談判好 |
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不重啟談判面對15%的疊加台灣這些非IT非232條款的這些台灣的產業要何去而從請委員能夠清楚的看到我們現在不是重啟不重啟的問題請問你15%疊加的這些 |
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非二三個條款的這些產業要何去何從請回答本席的問題已經簽署MOU跟ART這個部分我們要確認跟確保當中我們得到的最優惠的待遇繼續有效我們要確認跟確保這個要向美方來確認確保這個時候不是說重啟談判不重啟的問題這個問題已經回答過了本席在問你這些產業要何去何從 |
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疊加了15%也是左院長在國會正式表達正式回答15%要疊加 本席要請問你這些產業要何去何從我們爭取回來的15%不疊加也還沒有生效因為國會也還沒有通過 美方的行政命令最惠國待遇WTO以外我們現在面對的我們跟日本韓國最大的競爭者特別FTA我們沒有 |
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疊加的問題怎麼解決請院長回答問第三次了我已經回答第三次了我們現在要確認跟確保我們簽署的ART是不是繼續有效我們會爭取讓它繼續有效百分之十五不疊加的內容會遠遠好過現在的一二二的百分之十五加疊加只要我們維持原來的ART我們競爭力都會在 |
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這些被你丟包的產業希望你好好的去面對不要每一天發新聞行政院開了幾個小時的會面對15% |
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已經超過了48小時你們到底做了什麼全世界產業非常急的需要卓院長的回答你選擇逃避不回答我已經回答了接下來台灣是有足夠相對的經濟實力來跟美國做貿易夥伴做商業談判 |
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而不是一味的丟盔棄角請問一下施俊錡前副院長表達希望在美國最高法院判決以後我們再來簽署請問卓院長你為什麼沒有採用這麼重要的提醒 |
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為什麼沒有請委員信任鄭麗君副院長不要相信其他的說法相信現任的副院長才了解所有的狀態所以就是你們關起門來一家獨大 |
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外面的聲音都不用聽所以相信民進黨就是相信卓榮泰院長相信曾立軍副院長談判回來之後國內的反應委員是知道的為什麼要向對談判團隊這麼殘忍的批評呢其他的忠告都可以不要聽為什麼對談判團隊這麼渴望的批評呢不能做一個起碼就差這麼幾天談判團隊一點鼓勵有那麼困難嗎談判團隊一點肯定有那麼困難嗎表示 卓院長 |
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對自己底氣台灣有這麼強的經濟實力去年美國從台灣進口了將近兩千億美金的貨品到美國去我們對美國出鈔了一千五百億美金是美國最重要的前六大夥伴為什麼美國這麼需要台灣的產品 |
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我們不能有底氣有信心來跟他們談判而急著急救章要這麼急著來簽署這就是我們為什麼有急救章當初不是還有委員說我們太慢嗎接下來再請教好現在農林榆木我們現在對美國幾幾戶啊這個產業啊台灣取消99%的 |
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關稅壁壘99%的關稅壁壘取消對美農產品26%的關稅牛肉乳製品玉米等關稅歸零請問一下院長這麼多台灣的農林移牧要面對零關稅的衝擊我們準備 |
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要怎麼處置我們一定有產業的支持而且委員我提醒不要說我們開放進口的部分我們也守住了稻米 牡蠣還有很多包括紅豆等等大蒜本期在問你說終極的產業嘛不要一直往自己臉上貼字嘛我們就是有產業的支持啊我們面對問題 解決問題本期在問你問什麼你就回答嘛我們有農業支持 |
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未來農業的實際衝擊再大的時候政府還準備300億的農安基金做後續的處理就講嘛 你準備了300億農安基金要補貼嘛好 那請問補貼要補貼多久我們要看它衝擊的程度以及現在整個國際情勢繼續的發展我們也會幫助我們的農民做更多的補貼市場開發 |
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這個產業還要不要跟牛台灣當然跟牛台灣啦你能補貼多少呢我跟委員補充一下您剛才說的這些關稅的那個開放的一個程度事實上我們要看的是真正有進口的這些產品那其中有82.5%零關稅是對我們有利的因為它是我們原料為主這個報告主席 |
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請他針對我的問題回答本席的問題不是在這裡正經宣導他做了其他哪些事情本席為受難的產業在請命他不要去扯其他的事情能夠請他針對問題回答謝謝院長 |
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好我先回答那個委員的部分就是其實我們現在要看台美關稅的時候不是看絕對的零關稅的部分因為有很多零關稅是對台灣有利的其中有82.5的零關稅是對台灣本身 本席已經講過了院長他又再三在這裡正義宣導本席問的問題他不回答你剛才問的問題就是這個陳部長請回好我繼續問左院長其他的問題 |
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總院長請問您收入金的殘留的標準行政院會不會再放寬提高會不會我們就依照 |
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科學根據跟國際的標準不是嘛 本席問你會不會提高嘛你只要告訴全國國人萊克多巴胺瘦肉精的目前的標準會不會放寬國人健康的大原則底下只要符合科學有科學根據根據國際的標準所以所以你現在要把0.04你所謂的 |
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GODEX國際標準你是想要調到0.09是嗎只要他有科學的根據符合國際的標準我們為什麼要致力於之外呢為什麼握有權力的人就忘掉他當時善良理念的初心握有權力就可以這樣忘記過去對人民的承諾來我們來看一看我們來看一看 |
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過去民進黨怎麼承諾人民的我們來看一下民進黨執政的雲嘉南高平五個縣市首長也發出聯合聲明呼籲禁用瘦肉精拒吃毒豬牛如果說為了當總統然後犧牲人民的健康作為交換的條件那我想乾脆不要當也罷了市民國人都不會肯定也都不會支持當時民進黨要求林簡初而且賴清德當時的賴清德市長大聲疾呼 |
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絕對不能推讓林檢出 國安健康是擺第一 沒總統賣座啦所以本席特別請教你 拜託左院長不要打臉賴總統可以嗎 |
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我們沒有打臉過去的任何人我們根本是國際的標準過去就有這個國際的標準過去就有這個國際的標準跟委員報告我們目前的這個萊克福巴的標準都是過去就有國際的標準你們現在當時的初衷現在都不算了讓人民看見就好了接下來基改食品有多少要放進來沒有 |
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確定好孩子的健康孩子的成長你們這一次開放了不得了這些肉製品包括絞肉包括內臟心臟腎臟都要進入台灣這裡面到底有沒有什麼狂牛症的疑慮有沒有疑慮這關係到不只是全國國人的健康還包括我們孩子的成長 |
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第一 美國的牛肉製品已經被正式認定為風險可忽略的國家的地區了所以它沒有任何的風險甚至我們進到台灣來的台灣來的任何豬肉 牛肉會在兒童 兒童營養火山上面出現在民進黨執政的此時在民進黨執政的此時已經把這些美國的內臟已經放在忽略可以忽略不去注意的國家 |
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謝謝你們你應該查查最近的變化再過來我再請教一下台灣的整個生態系要搬到美國去台積電40%的產業要搬過去蕭美琴副總統又說這整個IT的生態系要搬到美國去這對台灣的傷害有多大卓院長跟流台灣第一個 |
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第一個不變的定律人才外移第二個就業機會的損失第三個沒有了在地的繳稅不只是人才流失在地的繳稅在地的消費通通遠離在地的存款 |
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也會遠離持續在台灣走今天消息還說出來所以卓院長所以卓院長本席請教一下在地技術的保存在地技術的保存我們的科技我們的科技我們的科技核心的國家安全的科技是不是要留在台灣 |
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本席請教一下經濟部上來本席就請教一下當然是跟劉台灣這個我們一再而再的講韓口號是一件事情嘛怎麼做是另外一件事情嘛台積公司在台灣繼續擴展建廠難道是韓口號嗎請不要打斷本席的話經濟部頭審會已經同意了台積電赴美投資通過了嗎 |
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他還沒有 就是前面幾個廠 前面三個廠是還沒有齁 經管會同意了嗎經管會 這個就不是我主管的範圍那卓院長經管會同意了嗎還沒有啦齁沒有關係 中央銀行同意了嗎也不知道齁當然經濟部長可以了解啊台積電的股東大會同意了沒有你去了解一下 |
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都沒有任何人同意然後你們的約已經跟人家簽了我們沒有簽什麼約我們哪有跟誰簽了什麼約產業的自主投資跟產業自主的佈局政府沒有代替產業去承諾或去實踐任何的條件不要在國會殿堂一再的說謊嘛全世界都只有知道只有你們嬰兒道林不知道 |
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這真的是開天下的大笑話我在這裡回答你就說我說謊說我造謠我們在這裡不回答你就說我黑箱那你到底要我怎麼辦本席就請教你一下我們現在你們簽了這個MOU回來ART我們現在投資美國6500億美金20兆台幣好我請教一下我們還是要為台灣 |
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國民黨 在野黨必須為台灣安全來請命請問一下卓院長我們國家是不是應該把核心的科技技術要留在台灣要不要保護 要不要 |
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當然所以我們全力發展AI新時代建設也為的就是如此啊因為全世界各國都是用嚴密最嚴格的程序最嚴格的法律來保護他要有競爭力不能空洞化我們他的核心就是整個IT AI產業現在本席在這裡請你卓院長行政團隊 |
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能不能在一個月之內把國家安全及核心技術保護條例送到立法院來包括晶片半導體的外移先進製程的數量限制法規及促進的管制研發與人才的留根對外投資合作的審議是不是可以請 |
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行政院在一個月內提出國家安全及核心基礎的保護條例可不可以委員所說的內容相當重要我們也有相對應的許多措施跟法律現在也在執行當中我可以把它整合起來如果哪裡有缺失我們來補強本席已經在這裡明確的提醒你願不願意行政院讓你們提出優先的版本國會會優先來審議 |
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您同不同意我說現在剛剛委員所說的那個內容政府已經有相關的法律在因應在處理哪裡有不夠的該修該立新的法該修修的法我們就來處理我剛剛說國家都有相關的法律本席問了半天台積電去美國投審會沒有通過 |
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所有的這些都沒有 全世界都聽到美國已經宣布了連多少個百分比的製造產的要去美國都已經宣布了產業自主的全球佈局將來執行的時候還是經過政府的程序但是他可以宣布將來還是按照程序來進行 這樣哪裡有錯呢周榮泰院長 |
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如果行政院不願意提出來我們會很負責任的為台灣為中華民國為所有國家的科技安全產業我們會提出我們會提出版本也希望行政院能夠提出我歡迎委員提出一個不違憲不違法可執行的那現在願意跟你討論請教一下簽的那個MOU裡面對美採購及投資848億美金 |
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本席已經請教過一次可不可以由美國方當台灣誠如剛剛卓院長還有一再跳針的經濟部長說產業自己決定去美國投資那請問我們政府有沒有好好保護他們有沒有好好輔導他們能夠跟美國談判把搖桿挺直由美國負責提供相關的貸款 |
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可不可以 可不可以 相關的什麼 貸款這個如果是採購的話本來就有相關的這個如果是國營事業他本來就有編預算在執行的或是他們那投資呢 你們剛剛不是講了產業自主投資啊要投資我們要不要 請美國這麼重大的事項 |
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因為談了半天不知道這件事情如果企業方他們要投資可以用自我資金也可以用貸款那政府在哪裡他要跟台灣貸款我們會用國家保證那他要跟美國銀行貸款我們也會協助所以你就講嘛你們會跟美國談好對企業貸款的美方銀行的協助嗎可以嗎我們會來謝謝 |
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再過來對美投資是贏是虧這關係到台灣整體的經濟實力跟發展有沒有可能尤其在政府對美如果有投資的部分或者產業對美投資的部分是不是可以請美國政府輔導 |
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讓美國這些重大的金融機構能夠來IPO這些相關產業包括阿拉斯加要去買管要去投資可不可以由他們IPO公司債確保台灣投資的母金也確保有保證的獲利可不可以保護台灣的產業 |
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到外面投資能夠確保他們的利益可以嗎報告委員就是說企業界他們在做投資會做詳細的投資報告或投資評估 |
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北溪請教的你是政府在哪裡因為你跟他簽了一個總額簽了一個總額他如果決定了他要啟動投資的話那政府一定會協助他北溪已經第二次在院會諮詢請美國的金融機構除了提供貸款還要最好用IPO公司債的形式確保台灣 |
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本金不會流失第二個有確定每年的這個利益的保障本席希望你們能做到再過來請問一下對美這次的談判還有沒有什麼東西國會不知道還有多少案盤還有多少大家所不知的情況有沒有 |
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基於國際談判的慣例在適時的時間我們會向國人跟國會做說明報告最終還要送到國會來審議所以委員不必擔心一切都攤在陽光之下我們秉持的當然是國家跟產業最大的利益那這個部分也是委員一開始在這裡出牌的那一段我們都做到了剛剛說台積電要去美國沒有提出你們也不知道這個事 來 |
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台積電產業自主的同仁來看一下有沒有案盤我們把台積電帶到美國去 手騎down payment喔 是手騎喔 |
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請問一下首期什麼意義我們只用雙方談定的文本內容來當作雙邊未來必須執行所以首期的話還有什麼呢台積電的投資計畫台積電說了算他的董事會他有股東會最後昨天您說核電要重啟本席很樂意 |
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你們看看美國現在要重新啊不只增加核電要增加多少倍的核電你看清楚一群核電廠營運高層排排站川普23日簽署一系列行政命令要讓美國的核能再次偉大增78%白宮希望在川普第二任期結束前測試部署新的反應爐打算25年內讓核電成長4倍 |
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美國現在要讓美國的核電成長4倍民進黨的神主牌讓台灣影響了多少我們的發展看一看美國核電要成長4倍因應AI IT產業大量用電的需求才有國家的競爭力最後看一下什麼叫黑箱什麼叫黑箱的談判我們看一下過去什麼叫黑箱 |
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那麼在很多必要守住的關頭他都也沒有守住一直節節敗退我們真的想問總統你在急什麼那難道這麼重大的事情台灣社會不應該參與國會不應該監督嗎所以我也要在這裡呼籲我們的國會一定要強力的監督當政府已經喪失了替人民保關的功能的時候我們就期待國會要扮演這個角色 |
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必要守住的地方政府院長、楊千里政委、林郡的談判團隊都已經幫我們守住了我們該看的地方我們也有產業的支持來讓產業跟我們的政府 |
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一個佛帽就像一個照妖鏡一樣看出這種行政獨裁的心態整個過程黑箱錯業簽訂前說不能講簽訂後說不能改不給審查現在看起來讓了一點步結果是只能審不能改一樣傲慢黑箱到底行政獨裁至此 |
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好謝謝時間已到謝謝福昆旗委員的質詢謝謝主委長相關部會首長的備詢謝謝提醒一下我們現在還在過年我們現在報告會我們休息十分鐘休息之後繼續進行質詢 |
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報應會我們繼續開會接下來請陳青龍委員請質詢陳培宇委員請準備 |
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主席韓院長卓院長各位部門首長各位立法院的同仁各位媒體朋友大家早安大家新年好在這個過年期間群眾在 |
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地方跟鄉親長輩的拜年我們很多的鄉親長輩開口談的就是我們的軍購我們的關稅也代表了我們國人同胞對我們的一個美國關稅貿易談判 |
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的一個重視尤其台中是我們的工業精密機械工業的重鎮大家對對美ART的談判非常的關注那也在這個過程當中我們看到我們的行政院 |
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我們的談判團隊在過年前的前一天連續的召開了記者會向國人同胞報告的ART簽訂的情況過年昨天昨天今天才大年初八其實就像韓院長講的還在過年期間 |
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但是我們就看到美國針對我們所談的對等貿易協定的一個法源基礎就是我們的IEP被美國聯邦法院宣布違法川普總統 |
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他立即來宣布由貿易擴張法122條款來對全球的貿易國家來課以15%抵抵價的關稅短短不到10天的過程整個經貿談判 |
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簽訂ART的成果在我們行政院大力的宣傳之下形成一個對台灣非常有利的一個貿易的一個協定但是短短的時間在年假的過期過程就產生這樣急劇的變化今天早上 |
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當我們韓院長還在主持我們的新春團拜的時候我們談判代表鄭麗君副院長召開了記者會告訴了我們國共同胞我們談判的協議協定文本我們可能 |
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要暫緩送立法院在今天早上九點之前行政院對外的宣傳是要我們行政院是要我們對外能夠來透過立法院趕快來審議不能改不能調整 |
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只能同意結果短短時間我們曾立軍的首席談判代表今天開記者會跟我們講不送立法院哪說要送立法院來審議我們要看美國跟美國聯繫就是美國說了算 |
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美國要我們行政院你送立法院我們才送立法院美國說改我們就改說暫緩送就送立法院過去對我們的ART的簽訂我們台灣民眾黨要求要嚴格的審查 |
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立法院釋出的信息要我們不能改那今天川普總統我們在媒體上看到他用警告的口吻告訴所有的貿易夥伴希望不耍花樣如果這些貿易對準國家 |
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要耍花樣就會有更高的關稅在這裡我請我們左院長是不是能夠上台備詢請左院長請問左院長 |
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台灣有能力有這個膽量可以耍花樣嗎 |
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我們從來不在國際上耍花樣台灣要成為一個可靠的夥伴必須遵照雙方已經談定的內容所以我們現在的重要工作是要如何確保這個談判的成果所以一定要確保跟確定美方跟我們一樣同時遵守這個ART的內容這才是對我們現在最有利的好 我們不會耍花樣就是我們會尊重 |
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也肯定我們這次的ART的簽訂剛剛主任長也說我們 |
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這個協定是有效的是不是你剛剛的答案我們希望跟美國能夠確認跟確保這個談判雙方都要遵守談判的內容15%不疊加確實是最有利的我知道最有利但是這個協定現在算不算有效剛剛你針對 |
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胡總召的執行你的答案是確定是有效那這個有效的情況之下那就很簡單了我要跟我們左院長來報告也來提出詢問這一次的一個我們認為談判的一個成果除了我們在二三號條款 |
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在半條題我們得到了我們一個優惠最重要的讓我們能夠來感受到有一個好處的就是我們的農產品跟工業產品我們的農產品我印象最深刻你再喝我們的珍珠奶茶 |
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告訴了我們的秋季運我們的茶葉以後輸出領關稅豁免對等關稅領關稅告訴國民同胞也告訴了我們國民同胞我們的蝴蝶蘭火鶴鳳梨酥 |
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他們往來芒果、芭樂、芋頭通通零關稅對不對我跟主委員長報告這些對我台中來講火候、芋頭是我的選區最大宗的農作物根本除了零關稅 |
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但是只高薪幾天就如同我剛剛講的今天變成了15%來抵價還有台中我剛剛所提的我們精密機械的一個重症我們看到了 |
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我們的工具機產業、自行車產業、手工具的產業、機械業這些都是台中的總政高市總編長,一樣,反應沒有十天啦反應沒有十天我們過去民進黨的話常常講先講先贏啦先講先贏啦 |
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那覺得這時間我們感受到的就是人想說想輸先講先輸啊沒有輸沒有輸讓我現在未來來院長請你讓我講完我剛剛所講的就是台中台中就形成我們的重災區啊 |
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今天的15%跌價下去我們的工具及自行車我們的手工具機械業還不講我們的紡織業塑膠業全部受影響我在這邊我就引用剛剛我們曾立軍副院長所提的一個 |
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明明對我們產業的影響我們竟然可以這樣來做一個向國人同胞的一個檔案首先供給機產業我們的報告剛剛記者會的報告對我們的出口產業可能受影響對機械產業 |
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評估影響有限這真的沒有用手工具產業我們的評估說能具出口的競爭力水母精產業說我們的國際競爭力能可維持社交制服基本上還只要關注它的市場競爭力 |
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紡織業竟然還說我們產品還具有競爭優勢醫療器產業我們的結論是對出口影響有限這樣的一個記者會跟我在三年前我們整個ART |
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在我們簽訂協定之後美國政府總統產生這樣的一個改變改用一二條款之後我所認識的我所了解的這些產業這些企業的老闆完全的處於一個不確定性又恐慌的一個情況 |
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實際的產業認為他受到影響但是我們今天的報告就如同我剛剛講的絲毫沒有影響那我請問院長有沒有影響我請教別人今天以前我們跟美國的關稅是多少 |
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今天以前的關稅 如依我們簽訂當然就是15%嘛不提交嘛所以今天以前是20%喔川普的談判車拉到32%的時候 |
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我們現在是二十,很長一段時間都是二十二十加MFN這也是他的常常錯誤嘛九百二十趴,九百我們現在講的十五趴你五百六十五趴,我們付出多少錢?將近二十兆的投資,我們現在講的純粹就關稅的角度在講我還沒有跟院長,你討論到我們付出的部分 |
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報告委員我們一年順差1500億美金後來四年加上這個我們順差可能超過20億有一點在時序上沒有說得很清楚我們一年順差並沒有15%那還沒有生效那個是最好的 |
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所以現在不論是 還沒有選票你就旋轉到100年卡所以整個電影所有的國內通報都給你5、6號 你看有多強 關稅產到15%對不對 這是事實吧因為透過五年的宣傳 好 那目前狀況改變嘛目前狀況改變是我們從20可能變成10或15加MFN |
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讓我們再爭取跟美國確認 |
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如果與歐朝反我比目前的20%還好啊我這個問題有問題 北京是絕對不合格的我們去年的工具機我們是負24%其他國家負15% 差了9%今年15%下來我們跟他差沒那麼多我在這邊我們今天台灣民眾黨也提出了我們的記者會我們要求 |
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我們行政院依照我們賴總統之前所提的希望能夠來做產業的影響評估產業的影響評估這是我總統總統2014年講的那今天我們台灣民眾黨我們的記者會也要求要請問左院長 |
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經濟部跟農業部都有核算出來 |
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在新的判決之後可能工業跟農業的產品會有什麼樣的影響跟以前比跟現在比我們未來會爭取的就是能夠希望就ART這個部分的內容能夠繼續有效我們可以回復到15%不疊加那這個就是我們現在認為最好的現在的狀況又來了嘛對不對又有狀況原來你談好的ART |
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評估報告在寒假有都有交有這不是寒假 這一個禮拜之間在寒假這一個禮拜交有嗎 |
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你還沒有讓我們看到你的衝擊影響評估現在法院違法上市之後我們受衝擊的產業更嚴重所以3月3號我們的衝擊影響評估一定會提出來院長的專案報告也會把我們的衝擊影響評估 |
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提出來跟委員報告像以農業部門來講我們所有衝擊影響評估都已經完成那特別是原來的阿德的內容裡面其實對農業是一個新的契機所以我們農安基金的300億是針對這樣的提升它的競爭力農安基金300億這個以後再談我們這次的談判既然原來的法源違法 |
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目前我們也要暫緩受立法院來審議在這個階段我們有沒有機會就我們受影響層面比較大衝擊的產業我們能不能有機會再跟美國提出修正或磋商或挑戰尤其我們 |
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10430.407 |
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我們的國防預算GDP的3%我們寫入了我們ART的文本把國防預算變成了國際貿易再處理完全對我們國家對我們自己預算的自主權喪失了我們是看到不管韓國不管日本 |
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10461.035 |
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10471.837 |
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他們的協定沒有去把一個國家的國防預算的佔GDP的人均的這樣的比例寫進這樣的文本 |
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那個並不是我們談判的內容那只是一個我們已經發生GDP達到3%的一個宣示那並不是談判的內容你要看清楚我要看清楚我們一起主張如果有機會修正這一點是不是要拿那個我們已經發生的我剛剛在報告裡面我們9495億我們的國防預算就是剩GDP的3%現在已經發生確保明年發生確保後年發生 |
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這樣侵犯國家預算主權的我們建議如果有機會調整修訂一定要拿掉這是我們台灣中華民國自主的民主啊這是一個事實的宣示啊宣示國防我們一定支持但是不應該選擇ARC裡面這是我們的主張好 第二個國人的健康我們今天我們對藥品跟醫材 |
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10528.983 |
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10543.061 |
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這也是喪失我們的主權我們沒辦法透過我們衛福部透過我們食藥署對美國進口的藥品跟液體來做審定我們真的要開放給美國 |
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10545.484 |
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10566.805 |
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這對我們的國人健康對我們未來的一個全民健保這是一個狀況你把國人的健康交由美國的制度來處理這也是侵害到我們自己國家的健康我必須讓衛生部部長我們執行局部長說清楚國人健康我們怎麼維護 |
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10567.851 |
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跟委員說明這所有的都還是要取得台灣的藥證的許可所有的健保的溢價過程這個你專案報告的時候才說現在不用跟我做說明我現在所提出的我在這邊提出的是我們國人的憂鬱 |
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10613.399 |
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國人的熱力 國人的熱力 大家實在我們進口肉品的開放開放美聯儲 開放我們的萊克 多巴胺跟國際扣稅使的借口這些都是侵犯到國人的健康所以委員今天的諮詢是只提問題不需要我們回答 是不是 |
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我真的會請你回答所以要讓我回答我現在還不用回答不然全國會認為我們在傷害國人健康啊哎 藍色左方是在傷害健康嗎所有的死亡藍色左方不是在傷害國人的健康嗎讓部長回答所有的我們剛剛提到的 |
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10636.252 |
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10654.184 |
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食安的標準管理我們都是嚴格的把關那麼所有的都是依據科學的證據國際的接軌在考量國人的飲食習慣我去民進黨為了國人的健康我們的要求比國際科學史的要求還高 |
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現在全部放寬你還在說國際接軌就讓國人的健康來危害嗎我們的健康這個要求的標準跟日韓新加坡都是一樣的 |
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一個國際節軌就要把國人的健康全部掩蓋掉這就是我們邏輯錯誤國際的標準就是國際健康的標準也是國民健康的標準我們一直覺得我們的談判非常成功協定了 |
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但是我這邊也要告訴我們的國人同胞我們今天跟日本、韓國起的一樣15%不抵價的一個關稅但是我們台灣人民我們付出的代價每一個國民將近新台幣85萬的代表 |
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日本的15%一樣他們一個國民只要付出15.7萬韓國要付出25萬我們台灣付出85萬會改變在這裡我要提醒的就是要讓前院長你知道台灣人民為了有15%的關稅我們願意付出這麼多不能再讓我們的 |
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這一次的貿易協定對我們有利的部分在受到傷害你這樣講的不對貿易的逆差不是用各國的人數來算的是從貨物進出口的金額來算不能用人數來算我們對美國那麼多的順差那算得出我們國人順差的金額很大嗎你這樣算沒有什麼要比較啊這個不能 |
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10776.826 |
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10780.029 |
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我們今天的投資人用國家規模來算我們2300萬的國人能創造這麼大的季體市場 |
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這絕對要讓國人知道我們2300萬國人創造這麼大的一體體應該才能讓大家驕傲跟自信才對啊我們3月3號專案報告大家都可以再來討論我現在有一個一定要跟卓院長來做討論的請問卓院長 |
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10817.332 |
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10840.976 |
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我們行政院何時可以重提我們NECC的人士我們過去也知道在113年7月的時候我們的委員卸任就不足到113年的11月委員人數來到不足有4個人 |
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那因為大半年期間我們院長也把這樣的一個NCC的人士就整個遞員一直到7月31號的時候大半年結束我們行政院才公布新的委員的一個提名那當然在10月20號阿里法院的NCC甚至NCC的人士提名我們是全數伙決 |
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10872.745 |
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那一規定三個月的時間又到了因為從去年的11月7號到現在今天已經2月24號了請問一下左院長我們有沒有要提NCC的委員對 NCC委員行政院的提出的人選全數被否決我也覺得很遺憾 |
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所以這執政以來我一直在檢討這四位委員到底是哪裡的缺失我要一一瞭解他們被委員三個月的還沒有瞭解嗎三個月的從11月被立法院否決之後到現在2月24三個月還檢討不出來因為很離譜很荒唐 |
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沒有 你的離譜他講分歸他講因為這麼樣的專業的人士我要繼續找能夠在這裡被大院審見的人我必須更慎重要比他們能夠在專業上不被大院否決在經驗上能夠大大院接受在政黨的接受程度上也能夠不被大院排斥在台灣裡面很少找還沒有辦法 因為你們做了很大的 |
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很離譜的這個決定我們做的決定是正確的因為我們需要專業需要忠義 |
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繼續檢討那請問院長要檢討多久檢討到有找到比他們更適合的人好 那我請教如果NCC到8月份所有的委員都任期接滿NCC沒辦法運作這個時候責任是在行政院 |
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我提出人選委員都會接受嗎對啊那我提出來你不接受責任又在我啊那我請教我們目前中選會的提名人選是不是一個好的 |
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反應 院長你覺得嗎好的開始但是為什麼後來的NCC投票你們會變成這個樣子你們有沒有考慮到兩院的良心合同我NCC委員的提名如果比照中選會的模式你覺得會不會比較有機會中選會的模式建立了NCC的投票不看專業 不靠經驗 只看黨派 |
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11028.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
11054.504 |
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那今天你已經在思考了嘛你已經在思考了所以你已經要思考要找到合適的人選能不能要不要來比較中選我要找到四位跟他們都不一樣的人我才能夠送到這裡來因為在找到這麼好的人我們不會通過院長 那你的責任就走不太通通 不用寫 不用算了就不要送NCC就完成成本讓他傳媒 對不對 |
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我已經提出人選了你們不分青銅造牌全數否決否決了嗎那我們現在我們說台灣民眾黨我們也藉由今天的執行來提出 |
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請教左院長願不願意比照中選會的模式能夠來推薦合適的專業的中立的五人人選但是我聽到左院長你還是不願意吧我才知道到底大院喜歡什麼樣的人來擔任國家重要的工作 |
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你們是喜歡你們自己喜歡的人不是在這邊談條件你要我中選會的投票OK之後你才要願意比照現在是你跟我談條件你說我要比照中選會是你在跟我談條件我可以提出這樣的一個建議跟他們交往 |
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你再繼續找人選你要讓NCC團內停擺所有的責任就在行政院啊我還在檢討我必須找四位跟他們完全不一樣的人我才能夠送到這裡來否則沒有辦法通知責任就在行政院我只做這樣的決定好時間到 謝謝陳慶榮委員的質詢謝謝主委長 相關部會所長貝群 謝謝 |
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接下來我們請本日最後一位登記第三號陳培宇委員請進好謝謝韓院長那先有請左榮泰院長謝謝麻煩再請左院長備詢陳委員好 |
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院長辛苦了我想先說這個辛苦是來自於每次我只要坐在台下聽在野黨委員的質詢的時候就是滿篇謠言更荒謬的是我剛剛看到民眾黨的新任陳總召用一個奇怪的數字來比喻相關什麼人均啊我不知道這個數學或是這個統計學或者是你們想像的學問是從哪裡來 |
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但是我非常感謝行政院在今天早上第一時間召開記者會說明關稅的問題來下一張所以我想我們是不是就花一些時間了來把共同要關心下一張這一張來 |
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謝謝今天早上的記者會其實我相信很多人都看了相關的內容可是關於非常多的謠言非常多不實的訊息甚至是惡意帶風向的訊息想要創造一個台灣好像書好書滿全盤皆輸的狀態可不請院長就你們目前在輿情系統所收集到人民所關心的或者是在野黨委員所擔心的甚至是在野黨委員惡意造謠的部分做一些簡單的說明 |
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時間暫停真的這地震嗎很大 地震很大如果陳委員容許我請內政部長先離席去處理一下好嗎好 麻煩請劉部長您去處理 謝謝 |
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對 您可以先離席 先去處理一下 陳委員同意好 陳委員請繼續那我們就繼續嗎好 那就讓部長先離席看 可能會有緊急的事情好 我去繼續嗎 等一下時間暫停 繼續 那時間暫停這樣好像太大了好 請繼續 謝謝陳委員好 那就讓院長來說明 謝謝 |
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委員剛剛講到問題的核心所以震動了一下今天早上政府院長的說明非常非常的清楚從哪個地方可以看出來整個社會的還是充滿信心充滿的信心不是對於美國最高法院判決之後的變化的信心而是對我們繼續談判繼續爭取的信心我們現在希望 |
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台美雙方能夠維持原來這個ART的這個談判結果包括我們的MOU跟232已經不受影響我們ART這個內容如果我們能夠雙方遵守在原來的15%不疊加這個內容裡面來我們就可以跟我們的競爭國家取得更優勢的這個競爭能力而且我們對於農工產品該手的手 |
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該有調整的我們用產業支持的方式來讓我們的產業衝擊降到最低那這也是全世界看到台灣的例子之後都認為這是一個很好的結果今天獨獨有兩位委員對我們提出的質疑我們也欣然接受但整個社會看起來是往正面的方向一直在發展當中現在最重要的工作我們馬上跟美國確認跟確保雙方對於已經談妥的這個ART內容是不是共同遵守之後呢 |
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美方要做什麼樣的調整必須跟我們再進一步的了解所以我剛剛說過我們會關注這個變化但是我們會確保現在的成果再來我們會審慎因應 |
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這個非常重要我想就一個部分發表我自己的看法尤其是232的部分屢屢看到國民黨的委員民眾黨的委員不敢提232的部分為什麼因為台灣的出口76%是跟著232所以我們在232有相關的免稅超過免稅額度之外我們還有優惠待遇而這些好事 |
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就這麼簡單三句話在野黨談都不敢談說都不敢說更不要講江啟臣副院長您來自台中有非常多傳統產業的業者也都告訴你們了我不知道之後3月2號送進來到立法院我們會受到什麼樣的對待但我想雖然今天是總質詢的時間我還是要拜託韓國瑜院長因為您在新春茶敘的時候你已經說了在剛剛團拜你也說了我們希望我們非常的期待 |
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11472.352 |
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新的一年我們可以化解紛爭我們可以團結一致不要有任何委員成為國家發展的絆腳石這個關稅的部分我們就請行政院在後續持續跟國人密切的報告然後也向相關產業的中小企業主也好相關產業的就業者 |
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不斷有報告 不斷有情況更新好 接下來第二個問題我認為是比關稅更嚴重是台灣內政的問題 國安的問題李女士也坐在現場請允許我不叫她李委員我認為她沒有資格擔任台灣的立法委員請允許我叫她李女士 |
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在前一陣子李女士就職之後民進黨黨團對韓國瑜院長還有中央藍秘書長我們提出一份聲明跟要求我們希望韓國瑜院長要有態度針對李女士就職爭議的問題立法院必須要做出態度但目前為止很可惜我們民進黨團沒有收到任何的進度 |
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在今天的議事日程當中本來在第26案有相關的報告事項是針對民眾黨團的人事就職案民眾黨級委員、紅委員、郁翔等等相關宣誓就職請查照案 |
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本來民進黨團今天的態度非常的清楚我們提出一份提案我們要求把這個報告事項第26案也就是民眾黨委員就職是不是合適這件事情相關的案子退回程序委員會 |
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我們本來提了但是韓國瑜院長在剛剛後面的院長是協商的時候提出希望民進黨團可以先允許韓院長用黨團協商的方法來解決這個我認為是國安問題的問題好 我們民進黨團願意先接受韓國瑜院長這個做法但是我真的要問 |
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卓院長你覺得你也擔任過立法委員也參與過黨團協商我真的不知道我難以理解我難以想像國安問題如何用黨團協商來解決 |
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這根本不對勁但是我想我今天必須要公開提出來甚至我們還聽到相關的謠言我非常擔心如果這個謠言是真的甚至還有人威脅民進黨團說如果不把李女士的案子撤回那可能就會繼續阻擋軍購預算 |
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我不確定我聽到的消息是不是真的但民進黨團站在支持國安採購支持國安安全的前提之下我們雖然有所表態有所堅持有所態度但我們願意支持軍購預算我們想要支持總預算我們想要支持國家變得更好 |
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在政治當中有這樣的場合有這樣的現實這是發生在剛剛早上不到兩個小時之間的事情而且完全不在我們昨天黨團規劃的運作當中我當然沒有辦法請韓國瑜院長及時回答問題可是我知道每次只要我點名你在我離開質詢台之後韓院長就會回應我我非常的期待 |
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但是我想請左院長談一談到底李真秀女士的案子請問你們現在怎麼做怎麼說呢第一個有國家忠誠的問題我們辦公室整理了相關表格請院長看一下以台灣來說其實法治具有落差再來德國的部分 |
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11698.914 |
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明明白的寫著外國籍配偶不得參政想要參政必須先完成入籍而且入籍還需要通過憲政中程的測試反極端主義的審查到了韓國以國安為最優先外國籍的配偶一律不得參政跟北韓有國籍組織關係全面排除公職到了以色列以生存防衛的角度說外籍配偶不得參政不得直接參政 |
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種種的例子都告訴我們確實當一個民主法制的國家在面對一個極權國家每天用飛彈飛機言語恐嚇這個民主國家的時候我們所遇到的困境是我們如何保衛國家國安的前提之下看到相關的問題所以我認為 |
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大部分的民主國家絕對不會讓這些沒有放棄國旗沒有國家忠誠的人擔任公職人員更何況是最高等級的中央民意代表他們可以做什麼事情來下一張我想要說為什麼我要這麼極力提出這個建議我們如果看 |
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中國的法規裡面清楚的寫到在中華人民共和國情報法裡面說任何組織跟公民都應當依法支持協助配合國家情報工作保守所知悉的國家情報工作秘密我不確定李女士現在人在台灣她要不要配合中國這個法令因為戶籍跟國籍在我們都不清楚的狀況之下李女士有沒有遵守相關法令的義務我們非常的納悶 |
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更不要說李女士進到委員會之後她實質的可以索資她可以參加公聽會可以參加秘密會議甚至她可以干擾干預台灣的政策法律跟預算我真的不知道當我們民進黨團發出這樣的通知給立法院院長甚至我們今天早上都希望把相關的案子撤回程序委員會之後國人怎麼看台灣出現這麼一個大的國安漏洞 |
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剛剛談到的是李女士到底有沒有放棄國籍可是下一張我們要來看如果一旦涉及公職人員就職要件的問題近日我們看到陸委會有說李珍秀女士連放棄國籍的程序都可能有問題導致她連參選要件都沒有符合接下來我想把問題丟給院長請院長說說看根據目前我們所看到的資料李女士是否符合公職人員的參選資格 |
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我先說早上我在報告的時候我說過一段話對國家的效忠對憲法的忠誠必須出於主動也是必須出於他的真誠如果是被動或是被逼或者是不得已的那這樣的忠誠這樣的效忠是一點價值都沒有所以我希望每個國人尤其是公職人員都要主動而且真誠出於這樣的主動真誠 |
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國家的效忠 憲法的效忠那過去我們就是在很多考慮到中國大陸跟台灣這兩個不同政治實體當中過去很多的糾葛所以我們用很多的模糊立場模糊 |
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如果是讓對手無法出手那還好但模糊如果讓自己無法自保我們不能再繼續模糊下去我們必須清清楚楚的尤其剛剛委員說到如果這件事情跟軍購要扯在一起那更形重要如果軍購大院在審議但大院的委員有對除了中華民國之外其他國家的國家效忠義務的時候 |
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行政機關很難毫無保留的向該位委員或是大院提供所有的機密的資料這個是國家情勢是必然所以我是希望能夠緊速的解決那至於當事人有沒有取得 |
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戶籍放棄之後能不能取得參選的資格依照國籍法20條他能不能擁有這個資格我想陸委會也好 內政部也好都做出了相當多的一些解釋跟法律上的援用那這個部分可以請兩位主管來這裡做說明好 我們請主委說明 副主委說明 謝謝 |
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李貞秀女士她的身份她遇到的兩個部分是有疑義的第一個就是說她當初在登記參選的時候登記參選這個部分去立委的時候從我們的資料看起來她當時是還兼具大陸的戶籍也就是說她同時有台灣的身份也有大陸的身份 |
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那從我們陸委會的角度來看就是他在當時的並不符合我們兩岸條例關係所講的說入籍十年之後你有參選的資格因為如果說你當時是有雙重身份的話那你其實是不具備參選資格的 |
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但是另外一個問題就是說即使這個部分解決了他還是要面臨國籍法第20條的問題第20條就是說你在就職之前你必須要申請放棄你原來的國籍那就職一年之內你要把他辦理完成 |
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那所以從這兩個部分來講的話我們會對李貞秀女士的立委身份立委資格產生疑議所以這個部分我們會各個部會會有相關的因應措施不過我想這樣再強調一下我們其實並不懷疑任何一位陸培對台灣的忠誠 |
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但是這個主觀上的忠誠度和客觀上的法律義務衝突我們在這個時候我們必須要重視我們不能夠限人於困難的境地因為正如委員剛才所講的中共其實他不管在國安法情報工作法或反間諜法他都有規定中國公民必須要遵守而且要主動提供這個 |
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協助國家反建的工作的這樣的義務那所以如果說今天某一位我們的公職人員他同時具有這個中華人民共和國的國籍 |
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中共相關的機關他就會要求或是說在法律上面他就有有這樣的要求的主席我要求時間暫停不好意思副主委因為有人在干擾我的秩序破壞議場秩序主席我要求時間暫停時間暫停麻煩請林委員請坐好時間請繼續等一下你要不要確定主席你要不要確定一下現場的秩序林委員請坐下來沒問題請繼續好 |
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所以在這樣的狀況之下他會面臨雙重的忠誠上面的衝突的問題那我們並不懷疑李貞秀女士在主觀上的對中華民國的忠誠但是我們不能夠信任每一個人在面對中共的這個武力或是利誘的時候會是勇士勇士在這個世界上一定有但是不會很多 |
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所以我們沒有辦法我們沒有辦法限人於一個困難的境地所以對於呂貞秀女士以後的所謂的所知或者是質詢的部分我們都會用最嚴格的標準來處理兩句話啦一個就是放棄戶籍如果不被證實為真或是有瑕疵就無法企算這個十年能夠取得的這個資格無法企算這是第一個 |
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第二個就是在就職之前如果沒有辦法證明有放棄國籍的行為那也沒有辦法依照國籍法來完成必要的法定條件所以這兩個雙重的瑕疵現在都必須由主管機關進行認定之後我們進行行政上的決定 |
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我想副主委跟院長說得非常清楚我也要公開呼籲因為之前有看過傅坤祺委員有提了一個國際法的修法看起來就是為個案而修法為國安大開後門我要說這根本不是吳三桂引清兵入關而已而是特洛伊木馬屠城記在台灣真實上演我不知道在國會在野多數的情況下接下來這些會期我們還有四個會期 |
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會有人多麼努力因個案修法設法我們剛談到了兩岸人民關係條例我們談到了國籍法我認為所有的法制都是為了要保障李女士當你在擔任立法委員的時候你要如何避免雙重忠誠的問題 |
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台灣的民主法治是要保護你免於威脅免於利誘我想這個立場非常的清楚希望你可以逐漸熟悉台灣的民主法治最後我要再講一個比較重的話 |
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如果我們把李女士的問題帶到國籍法的高度我要提醒大家國籍法在實務的運作上關鍵不是我們怎麼看我們自己或者是我們自己說了什麼而是其他國家的人其他的人把我們當成什麼 |
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如果現在在野黨要繼續放任一個有雙重忠誠的問題的人甚至韓國瑜院長也不打算解決放任這麼一位女士在立法院擔任立法委員可以索資可以參與機密會議請問全世界的民主國家會如何看待台灣中華民國的政府 |
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放任這麼一個人放任國安危機的破口天天在國會發生天天在問政的過程中發生不要忘了不是只有總諮詢不是只有134委員會日常24小時的運作都在產生這個危機再強調一次國籍法的高度會讓全世界民主國家有人本來想要跟台灣的民主法治站在一起的國家開始深刻的懷疑你台灣在幹什麼 |
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你台灣決定放任中國放任在地協力者所有的在野黨委員做這樣的事情嗎所以我要呼籲我要拜託所有行政部會首長你們今天都坐在這邊後續關於李女士辦公室的所資諮詢相關的機密會議請你們要站在保護國家高度對國家忠誠的義務位置上守護台灣的安全 |
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今天卓院長在剛剛施政報告的時候談到國家忠誠我要再次呼籲不是所有坐在台底下的立法委員有國家忠誠的義務各位部會首長你們也有國家忠誠的義務用國籍法的高度 |
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你們的作為會為台灣示範一個非常重要的民主行為台灣如何決定好好保衛自己台灣如何決定在面對敵權中國武力威脅飛彈恐嚇言語恐嚇的時候我們台灣民主政府的態度到底是什麼 |
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所以非常謝謝副主委說明了兩岸人民關係條例也謝謝說明了國際法可是我要再次提高法的位階到國際法國際民主有人如何看我們我們不是只有放任一個有國安問題的李女士擔任立法委員我們甚至還被威脅 |
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李女士的案子要跟軍購案綁在一起而軍購案為什麼要做已經說得非常清楚但是在野黨屢屢檔案我甚至不知道接下來附委審查的行政院版本會被如何的凌虐 |
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會被如何的羞辱到最後我們可能不幸要通過的在國會多數暴力表決之下要通過的是荒謬至極沒有邏輯沒有法理甚至可能是中國所要求的軍購條例跟軍購內容這就是整個國安現在最大的問題所以非常謝謝副主委您請回座也謝謝卓院長我花了這麼多時間就是想要告訴大家主席抗議還是有人繼續在干擾異常秩序 |
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這個問題真的非常嚴重我想林女士應該非常的清楚所以你今天才會坐在現場還要做出一些表態 |
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而我要說我也想要呼籲請韓國瑜院長等一下公開的回應我在我質詢結束之後到底為什麼要撤回程序委員會的事情要被否決我不知道之後的公開黨團協商我們要如何就這個案子進行協商難道韓國瑜院長不認同國安的議題嗎難道韓國瑜院長不認為雙重忠誠這個問題我們是為了保護李女士嗎我也想聽聽韓院長的說法就這麼多國安的議題我也想要牽到另外一個角度 |
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就是繁體中文語料跟國安之間的關係來下一張 |
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我想跟院長報告一個事情那我時間有限我就快速的說現在我們看到世界上都在搶奪各式各樣的AI主權黃仁勳先生來到台灣的時候也不斷提醒我們AI主權這件事情在過去我們一旦提到AI主權其實就是基礎設施所謂的基礎設施可能就是晶片啦網路啦運算中心啦資料中心這些我相信部長 |
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您也非常熟悉院長也非常熟悉但是我想要跟院長簡單的說台灣現在的困境是什麼來下一張台灣現在的困境就是我舉一個例子當我自己的小孩在寫報告的時候以前我們小時候寫報告是去翻書翻字典 |
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到長大一點他們會去翻資料庫會去用Google搜尋引擎但現在的孩子在寫報告的時候直接會問AI所以AI提供給他什麼資料他可能就認定那個是世界上滿好用的資料或是唯一正確的資料甚至在去年有相關的親子天下雜誌有做出統計有超過三成以上的孩子沒有想過原來AI提供給我的答案可能是錯的 是假的 是有問題的 |
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所以我要提醒我們到底要做什麼事情呢來看下一張其實台灣並不缺有整理的史料在過去不管是文化部也好國發會也好或者是教育部也好或者是各個部會甚至我們自己的中央社大家確實很努力在把所謂的平面資料數位化好這個部分我要先給予肯定過去幾年我們做了非常非常多的事情可是這些資料可不可以為AI使用才是這個時代最大的困境 |
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當敵對的國家不斷地以簡體中文甚至是錯假的資料在餵養AI的時候背後的語料其實是不乾淨的而這個不乾淨的下場跟結果我認為會導致3到5年之後在雲端上的台灣的話語權會逐漸消失當30% 40% 50%的孩子們在做功課的時候不知道原來這些是錯假資料的時候我認為台灣的主權 |
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所以我想要在今天就國安的議題直接提出AI語料的部分到底我們還可以做哪些事情 |
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來下一張所以我要說數位基礎建設真的非常非常的重要而數位基礎建設我剛說了我非常感謝AI內閣提出來在算力中心也好在晶鐵在半導體廠的投資甚至在相關關稅優惠我們都大力的協助AI的建設我認為這個硬體建設沒有問題可是接下來是軟體建設的部分到底我們要怎麼做讓AI可以讀取這些資料 |
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它已經不是數位化的問題而是資料要被整理過要被標準化過還要做成AI可讀取的格式AI才可以理解而當AI可以理解之後所有的資料才有可能產出正確的而當這個資料是一個很重要知識入口的時候台灣的話語權才不會消失但因為我時間有限我可不可以聽聽看部長我知道其實書發部 國科會 文化部都有在做類似的工作 |
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我們之前有泰德模型的時候我們也花了一筆錢跟中央社買資料但我想知道到目前為止我們相關繁體中文語料就跟AI之間的合作目前相關進度是什麼還有未來規劃會是什麼我是不是就讓部長或院長說明都可以是 如同委員所說的那我們都知道現代的大型 |
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語言模型他的知識都是來自於他用來訓練的語料所以我們就很擔心如果說這些國際間的大型語言模型都是採用大量的簡體語料來受訓練的話而不是使用台灣的語料來做訓練那以後這些訓練出來的大型語言模型他就是都只有中國的觀點而沒有台灣的觀點也就是因為這個原因所以我們數巴部目前已經建置了台灣主權AI訓練語料庫 |
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我們收集了大量來自於政府各部門的這些政府擁有著作權的語料這個包含來自於內政部還有外交部等等各部會我們把這些資料收集起來以後我們另外也向民間擁有著作權的人就是希望他們把他的語料捐獻出來放到這個語料庫 |
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然後我們把這個語料庫提供給不單單是台灣的像是台德這樣的LM大型語言模型的團隊我們也提供給國際間的團隊讓他們來訓練他的語言模型那目前事實上我們已經收集了超過11億個Token就相當於11億個資源座以上的語料庫然後這些目前像除了台德以外國際間的像Google這樣的廠商 |
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他已經下載這個魚料庫並且開始訓練他們的這個大型魚眼模型所以我們希望說以後這些他們訓練出來這些魚料庫這些大型魚眼模型都會具備台灣的觀點 |
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可是有一個問題部長我們還有4分鐘我非常認同你剛剛說的我們目前已經有11億的token也就是11億的資源提供給這些大語言模型公司也好或是台灣自己的泰德但是就您的專業角度你期待未來我們的資料量還要再走向多少因為繁體語料的資料量絕對是越大越好 |
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因為就我們敵對國家中國他們在做的事情絕對是超遠遠超過這個數字所以我當然知道我們剛剛起步在做這個事情做了兩三年可是在比資料海量這件事情上我們未來會有什麼樣的規劃 |
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是就是一方面我們還是事實上我們這個計劃才開始兩個多月而已兩個多月我們就已經收集到兩個多月那已經收集到超過11億個Token我們當然是希望說我們繼續去整理譬如說目前中研院也在配合就是整理中研院有大量的餘料這些都是高品質繁體中文而且具備 |
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台灣觀點的一些資料我們之前也跟美國的這些大型語言模型的廠商去談問他們說為什麼你們之前都是比較少用台灣語料去做訓練他們就講說其實他們在乎的不是錢而是在乎兩件事情第一個就是說這個談判的成本因為他要去跟 |
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他們用中國大陸的語料去做訓練的話因為中國大陸他不太重視著作權的保護所以他們用那些語料去訓練的話他們是覺得很安全的但是用台灣的這些語料網路上找到語料可能會被台灣的著作權擁有者去告所以我們現在的做法就是我們先拋開這些爭議先從政府擁有著作權的語料開始放進這個語料庫然後另外一方面我們跟民間勸募就包含很多 |
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作家事實上我本身我也是作家所以我會把我的著作捐出來所以捐出來並不表示說我放棄這個著作權我只是簽訂一個協議說如果說有大型語言模型採用我的著作去訓練的話我不會去告他美國的這些大型的那個科技公司他們最在乎的就是這一點他們不希望被告而且他們不希望就是說那個有大量的時間去做那個那個 |
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著作權的談判交涉那當然我們另外一方面我們要保護台灣的著作權因為有很多高品質的那個著作我們還是希望他可以收費可以上這些所有的AI團隊去收費那這個還會需要一些時間那我們兩方面都會注意 |
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部長果然非常專業包括單性的問題都講完了第一個著作權的問題而且你很你很棒你把你自己的著作權分享上去但是我要提醒確實在著作權台灣有非常優質的餘料不是只有在所謂出版的出書其實過去的舊報紙啦影音廣播啦或者是電視影片啦電影影片這些都是沒有被長成AI可讀取的樣子它都是一個非常完整的原始的資料而當AI不能讀取台灣的餘料台灣的語境 |
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台灣的文化場景就出不去而可能就會變成是中國大陸唯一的說法變成在AI上讀取所以我真的非常非常擔心因為你去看現在不管小學生、國中生、高中生、大學生做報告甚至當我打開Google的時候他第一時間也會告訴我AI的答案是什麼 |
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13001.872 |
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所以我認為這件事情已經啟動了很重要但後續我認為需要更多的資源更多的政策甚至是跨部會之間的合作例如我舉一個例子以教育部來說有非常多民間教科書的廠商他們所寫的教科書那個完全是符合台灣語境而且優美的詞彙優美的寫法那個絕對非常適合拿來給AI作為 |
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繁體中文語料資料庫的基礎但那些東西我們如何獲得授權如何在跟這些民間廠商合作的時候有好的可能性甚至我想非常多著作權的律師們都已經提出來如果在AI語料繁體中文公共基礎知識建立 |
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13035.757 |
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我們這一塊來不及我們真的會被敵國中國趕上好最後27秒我想我就總結一下先謝謝部長我就總結一下我今天的發言我希望我們在推動民主法治台灣更完整經濟發展的前提之下台灣不管是從硬體 |
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13053.878 |
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從民主法制從軟體都可以繼續兼顧國安確保每一個放心想要在台灣生根想要在台灣耕耘自己生命的人都可以獲得最周全的保障也要拜託行政院繼續為我們努力謝謝主權AI也是我們AI新時代 |
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13062.725 |
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13064.252 |
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好 謝謝陳培佑人資訊 謝謝主任長 相關部會首長貝勳 謝謝 |
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13094.288 |
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報言會 我們本日排定諮詢的委員均已經諮詢完畢謝謝卓院長 鄭副院長各位列席的閣員列席的答詢我們現在做一下決定下次會繼續進行施政方針及施政報告之諮詢報言會 我們3月3號星期二上午9點繼續開會進行行政院院長提出台美關稅談判結果及其影響專案報告並備諮詢 |
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另外各黨團幹部請於今天下午4點30分至紅樓3024我們要進行總統國情報告至朝野協商另外有關李曾秀委員身份認定事宜本席於今天上午向各黨團報告我們將提報黨團協商進行討論再來謝謝今天在場的王振旭委員 |
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13134.093 |
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鲁明哲委员李征秀委员陪同我们一起进行今天的施政报告谢谢卓院长我们现在休息 |