| IVOD_ID |
17246 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17246 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第20次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第20次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-30T08:30:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-30T21:40:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
13:09:03 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a60947ad0a64abed7ddc2847e322e88d0525d953e8f91d8039fa4895ff0c202dc61d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第20次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院國民黨黨團，建請院會作成決議，針對115年度中央政府總預算案中，攸關重大民生之新興資本支出及新增計畫之部分，於電視台舉行三場全國轉播的辯論會，由「國民黨黨團三長VS行政院三長」方式進行。是否有當？請公決案等2案。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、下午5時至6時為處理臨時提案時間。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:30:57 - 21:40:00 |
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我們現在進行國事論壇首先請洪孟凱委員發言林倩琦委員請準備主席各位在場同仁大家好 |
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可教化不應該是死刑犯的免死金牌昨天我們看到非常遺憾的五年多前女大學生的一個命案而兇手被發現之後到現在已經判了三次的死刑卻在昨天更二審的時候 |
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改判為無期徒刑但我們要問的是在這個過程跟理由裡面居然講到說這兇手有可能可教化可教化難道是現在台灣社會的死刑犯的免死金牌嗎如果真的是這樣的話我們傳遞了什麼訊息讓國際看到 |
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更重要的是在這件事情裡面他是牽扯到國際人士來台而且從政府過去到現在主導的所謂實質廢死是不是真的就在台灣上現實發生大法官的解釋出來之後一致判決反而讓更多應該要 |
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服刑更多應該要採取相關死刑的最大二級的犯罪者沒有辦法能夠判處死刑 |
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此例一開真的是後患無窮我們要講如果說真的要可教化的話那也應該要付出相對應的處罰也因此過去到現在本席也說我們應該要針對重大的犯行包括性侵、虐童或是詐騙等重大的刑犯都應該要參考國外像新加坡等使用鞭刑等更積極有效的方式來去做嚇阻 |
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編寫的目的並不是要處罰編寫的目的並不是要報復編寫的目的更重要的是要讓加害者了解他在被害者身上所留下難以抹滅一輩子的傷痛這一點我們會持續努力 |
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但在這件事情上面我們真的要問被害者失去了生命而加害者到現在還可以持續被教化這不是人權是虛偽這不是進步是矯情我們不希望讓世界看到以為台灣是一個殺了人之後可以不用付出相對應代價的地方 |
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最後,為利用最後40秒的時間,也要再一次的向所有的委員同仁來報告。今天是我們本會期最後一天,而有六位民眾黨的委員也即將兩年條款。但我們細想,過去這兩年裡面,在野的監督制衡、專業的努力、團結一心,就可以把台灣主流民意的聲音在立法院好好彰顯。 |
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感謝我們過去這六位民進黨委員跟我們一起的同事情誼我們推動吹哨子保護法我們推動外送原專法這些都是難得的成果最後藍天永恆白雲常在祝福我們監督制衡的力量絕對團結為台灣為中華民國繼續加油好謝謝洪孟愷委員的發言謝謝我們接下來請林倩琦委員發言張志倫委員請準備 |
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院長、府會同仁、媒體朋友還有全國民眾大家好戰略需要備案準備經貿部署應該在大國間等距的配置全球經貿秩序正在深度產生變化本期今天要談的是台灣在這場變局中的處境與選擇在美國總統川普將關稅作為武器反覆的顛覆既有的貿易規則的此時世界並沒有完全向美國靠攏 |
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反而出現值得關注的趨勢那就是部分的國家放下旗艦主動強化雙邊與區域的合作降低對單一強權的依附歐盟與南方共同市場歷經25年的談判終於簽署了FTA |
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与印度也长期在僵局之后敲定协议近年与印度关系恶化的加拿大也搁置争议重启能源与贸易的对话国际间已经清楚地意识到过度依赖单一市场已经成为国家风险 |
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世界秩序正在斷裂而不是平順的轉型關稅金融供應鏈正在被強權當作施壓的工具透過團結合作自保是理性的選擇問題是台灣準備好了嗎 |
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美国目前是台湾最大的出口市场这是累积的经济成果但也成为目前结构性的风险之一当全球经贸出现去单一化强化韧性的趋势如果缺乏弹性的布局风险只会持续的累积如同加拿大总理卡尼日前在世界经济论坛所说的中等强权必须合作如果你没有在谈判桌上你就会沦为别人的盘中孙 |
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點出當前國際社會普遍的焦慮當全球最大經濟體的政策高度不穩定小國合作外交等據是目前國際變局中很重要的課題本席要呼籲的是友誼不應該建立在沒有備案的依賴之上 |
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因此臺灣應該從三個方面來重新審視自己的角色第一臺灣應該積極參與區域跟雙邊的經貿網絡拓展非單一市場的實質合作而不是讓出口過度集中第二政府應該協助產業提供 |
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供應鏈的韌性從能源原料到市場配置降低一次性的風險第三在地緣政治升溫的同時台灣應該展現更穩定更信賴的經貿角色成為合作的節點而不是被動的成壓者 |
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我們應該在科技能源與高附加價值製造領域建立不可取代性世界秩序正在重組沒有人能夠置身事外台灣沒有辦法改變大國博弈但是我們可以決定有沒有足夠的選項來面對變局真正的國家安全不是依賴單一大國應該在大國之間等距的部署與各國強化雙邊關係讓台灣在任何的動盪當中都不足以 |
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謝謝林倩琪委員的發言 謝謝接下來我們請張志倫委員發言 蔓越真委員請準備院長 各位同仁 各位媒體先進大家早安 大家好第四會期即將進入尾聲 |
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本期今天站在這裡替全民說句公道話共同檢視過去最短時間民進黨執政的種種政府一旦宣稱政績亮眼但人民真正感受的是物價上漲工作不穩以及對未來的越來越深的不安在對外經貿方面台美關稅雖然取得了15%的稅率 |
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這固然是外交上的進展但背後承諾的五千億美元投資與信用保證貸款 |
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其財政風險與資源排擠效益政府必須誠實面對本席擔憂單半導體產業成為談判主軸時弱勢的農漁產業是否會變成遺忘的犧牲品當股市因台積電大漲而歡欣鼓舞時那沒有錢買股票每天為生計奔波的基層勞工他們的就業機會與消費能力是否得到了應有的保障 |
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政府在宣揚勝利之餘更應該思考如何落實分配正義政府不能只看數字不看人民只顧對外表態卻忘了對內交代請政府記得莫忘世上苦人多對內治理的失衡同樣令人震驚打詐國家隊編列了巨額的預算但卻民眾卻對打詐的成效無感 |
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各式的詐騙案件也層出不窮,第一線執法人員的權益被迫犧牲,司法體系也被爆量的詐欺案件給壓垮,高院甚至被迫停分案來止血。此外,更令人擔憂的是,憲政體制的崩解與司法工具被法治化,在政府開創拒絕附屬的二職先例,公然藐視立法院三讀通過的法案。 |
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2308.106 |
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2336.087 |
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再加上拒絕依法編列軍警銷的加薪預算大法官的提名人選的資格性也飽受爭議憲法法庭更在未達法定人數下做成裁判讓司法這道防線產生裂痕以及各項獨立機關的人事嚴當更讓國家體制陷入權力真空的狀態錯誤的政策比貪污更可怕請民進黨政府盡速 |
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2337.015 |
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2356.804 |
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補足各獨立機關與大法官的事格人選停止對憲政體制的消極傷害第一代總統恪守憲法並依法編列預算也停止對台灣人才跟資金的豪賭更應該在台美關稅裁判中確實保護 |
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2358.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2365.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
本土的各項產業以民為念給全民一個更穩定親民及守法的法治社會謝謝 |
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2388.527 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2411.448 |
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主席各位親愛的家人大家好今天是我最後一次站在國事論壇我不是為任何政黨發言而是為國家為人民留下這段話歷史一再證明一個國家真正的危機從來不是一見不合而是掌權的人拒絕傾聽 |
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2415.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2439.736 |
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不是制度不完整而是權力駕臨制度不是人民不守法而是法律只約束人民卻約束不了執政者立法院是民意最高的殿堂也是最接近人民的地方但如果法律通過了 |
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2440.436 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2469.386 |
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一算审查了最后执行是否全由行政者说了算那么输掉了不是朝野任一方而是人民对民主的信任这两年在立法院我最深的无力感不是我们没有讲道理而是有理说不通不是我们不愿承担而是全力 |
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2470.186 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2485.427 |
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拒絕對等朝野裸子身輸贏最後陪葬的從來不是位子而是整個國家台灣正面臨掃紙花缺工社會結構改變的 |
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2487.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2510.531 |
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長期挑戰新住民早已經是國家的一部分新住民發展署不是政治操作而是國家是否願意面對現實照顧人民的選擇今天身為新住民立法委員在國會最後的心願也是最後一次 |
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2511.812 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2533.57 |
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誠懇呼應希望朝野放下自我各讓一步讓權力回到制度政治回到人民賴清德總統成為朝野溝通之橋創下歷史記載你是最有眼見的領航者因為 |
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2534.711 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2557.596 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
政治不是誰吵得最大聲而是誰在關鍵時刻選擇為國家留下團結的出口希望朝野團結一心為台灣未來更好設為共同努力的目標台灣加油 新住民加油謝謝大家 |
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2562.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2570.425 |
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謝謝認真的新住民立委每人最後一次國事論壇的發言非常非常感謝接下來我們請登記最後一位陳冠廷委員請發言各位同仁大家好這個會期即將結束想藉由這個機會跟我們的鄉親朋友們 |
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2589.289 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2614.208 |
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來報告我們這個會期推動的工作進度首先我們談農業那嘉義縣是農業大縣我們的農民朋友一輩子守護台灣那他們退休之後理論上要得到完善的基本生活保障這個會期我和蔡議員 王美惠委員共同推動的老農津貼的改革行政院已經正式接納我們的主張將老農津貼提升至一萬元 |
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2615.089 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2640.843 |
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同時放寬排富條款讓53萬名農民受惠我們也在財化法的討論中為農業縣市大聲疾呼主張土地面積的權重應該從10%提高到30%農牧幼弟給予1.5倍的加權我們希望讓長期守護國土的農民不會再淪為財政的次等公民再談我們嘉義特別是我們的民雄 |
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2642.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2658.381 |
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我們無人機跟航太產業在這個會期我已經接了至少有十數個訪團來到我們嘉義來到我們的民雄我讓我們的國際夥伴知道我們嘉義有民雄航太園區讓世界知道嘉義正在從農業大線轉成科技大線 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2660.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2680.954 |
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民修廊它在園區未來將會容納數百個企業進駐它會成為研發 製造 測試 維修的完整巨龍無人機不只是國防戰力它也可以應用在消防救災可以應用在精準農業讓青年願意回來 產業願意進駐讓世界願意跟我們合作這就是我們現在在做的事情 |
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2682.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2691.066 |
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將來是農業大線未來是農業科技大線除此之外我們要知道沒有人就沒有產業我們接著談教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2692.028 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2711.459 |
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我很清楚第一線教育人員的辛苦不管是中小學還是幼兒園的教保夥伴我們更知道隨著時間的改變隨著技術的改變基礎教育比起高等教育更需要投入更多的心思更多的資源所以我們這個會期持續在推動行政減量也在推動職務的加急 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2712.119 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2725.533 |
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很高興看到教育部的陸續回應中小學導師的職務加給從每個月三千元提高到四千元兼任跟待課的終點全面增加兩成行政工作獎金也同步到位幼兒園這邊導師職務加給 |
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2728.217 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2750.698 |
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他的這個差額跟教保補助同樣完成修正據教師資格的教保員每個月可領四千元一般的教保員或者是助理教保員也有三千元而且都追溯到去年的九月來去生效從幼教到中小學就是遲來但是重要的一步代表政府聽見現場的聲音 |
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2752.299 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2761.963 |
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但我跟大家報告行政減量必須同時推進產業要顧 農業要顧 教育要顧這是我這個會期的答案也是我對嘉義先生的承諾 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
5355.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
5382.493 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
好請民主黨報告出席人數報告院會出席委員75人已出法定人數好我們現在開會報告院會現在在議場二樓旁聽來自苗栗縣我們軍藝高中的同學們我們掌聲歡迎未來臺灣主人翁我們先處理朝野黨團協商結論請議事人員宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
5385.785 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
5410.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
立法院黨團協商結論時間115年1月28日星期三上午11時地點紅樓山林會議室決定事項一各黨團同意定於2月24日星期二舉行第11屆第五會期第一次會議並與3月3日星期二合併為一次會本會期至3月6日星期五起每週五及次週二視為一次院會 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
5411.497 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
5437.008 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
國事論壇及臨時提案依往例處理週五 上午9時至10時為國事論壇時間週二 下午5時至6時處理臨時提案諮詢期間週二 下午20時15分至20時30分處理臨時提案第一次會議議事日程以草案競送院會處理並不進行國事論壇及不處理臨時提案二 二月24日星期二上午10時開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
5439.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
5455.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
進行相關議程報告事項下午邀請行政院院長率同各部會首長列席進行施政方針及施政報告並被質詢報告後隨即進行政黨質詢當日質詢人數由國民黨黨團推派一人民進黨黨團推派一人台灣民眾黨黨團推派一人進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
5459.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
5483.173 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
質詢順序依國民黨黨團、臺灣民眾黨黨團、民進黨黨團之順序輪流交叉方式進行有關質詢期間之順序及人數均依例授權依次處辦理施政方正報告委員個人質詢之登記至3月10日星期二截止3月3日星期二邀請行政院院長率同相關部會所長列席 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
5483.823 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
5512.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
提出台美關稅談判結果及其影響專案報告並備質詢質詢人數由國民黨黨團推派10人民進黨黨團推派10人台灣民眾黨黨團推派2人進行每位委員尋答時間15分鐘質詢順序依例授權議事處辦理名單請於3月2日星期一中午12時前送交議事處會診預時視同放棄4.本第五會期委員參加委員會及各委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
5513.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
5526.959 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
召集委員之選舉不受本院組織法各委員會組織法及其相關授權法授權規定之限制各委員會召集委員選舉定於3月11日星期三舉行 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
5527.862 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
5552.419 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
其日程表如附件第五會期程序委員會議政黨比例由國民黨黨團推派9人民進黨黨團推派9人台灣民眾黨黨團推派1人代表組成名單請於3月12日星期四中午4時20分前送至議事處會診上述名單送交議事處後及不予更換主持人韓國瑜將啟程協商代表 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
5553.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
5577.766 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
副官級羅志強、林佩祥、柯憲明陳培宇、宗嘉斌、張祺凱、黃國昌、陳昭志宣讀完畢全院會對以上朝野黨團協商結論有無異議沒有異議我們就通過115年1月28日朝野黨團協商結論今決定如下一、各黨團同意定於2月24日星期二舉行第11屆 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
5579.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
5599.519 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
第五會期第一次會議並於3月3日 合併為一次會本會期自3月6日 開始每週五及次週二 視為一次院會國事論壇及臨時提案依往例處理週五上午9點至10點為國事論壇時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
5603.781 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
5623.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
週二下午5點至6點處理臨時提案執行時間週二下午2點15分至2點30分處理臨時提案第一次會議議事日程及草案禁送院會處理並不進行國事論壇以及不處理臨時提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
5623.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
5639.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
二 二月二十四日星期日上午十點開會進行相關議程報告事項下午邀請行政院院長率同各部會首長列席進行施政方針及施政報告並備諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
5641.488 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
5657.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
報告後隨即進行政黨質詢當日質詢人數由國民黨黨團推派一位民進黨團推派一位台灣民眾黨團推派一位進行質詢順序依照國民黨團台灣民眾黨團民進黨團的順序輪流方式進行有關質詢期間 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
5666.608 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
5680.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
至順序及人數均依例授權議事處處理施政方針報告委員個人質詢至登記至3月10日星期二截止3月3日星期二 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
5680.816 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
5704.872 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
邀請行政院院長率同相關部會首長列席提出台美關稅談判結果及其影響專案報告並備諮詢諮詢人數由國民黨團推派10位民進黨團推派10位台灣民眾黨團推派2位進行每位委員詢答時間15分鐘諮詢順序依例授權議事處處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
5710.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
5739.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
名單請於3月2日星期一中午12點前送交議事書會診預時視同放棄4.本第五會期委員參加委員會及各委員會召集委員選舉不受本院組織法、各委員會組織法及相關授權規定之限制各委員會召集委員選舉定於3月11日星期三舉行 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
5740.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
5766.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
其日程表如附件五本第五會期程序委員會依政黨比例由國民黨團推派九位民進黨團推派九位台灣民眾黨團推派一位組成名單請於3月12日星期四中午12點前送至議事處會診上述名單送交議事處後即不予更換 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
5767.967 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
5797.487 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
另外相約會說明剛才協商第三項有關邀請行政院長就台美關稅談判專案報告應於夕英1月28日協商議題台灣民眾黨團所提一般提案所作之決定抱怨會因為本次會議的議程有待溝通請各黨團幹部現在立即到議場後方主席辦公室我們來進行溝通先來休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
6853.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
6867.674 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
八月會我們現在繼續開會依照黨團公示現在請各黨團幹部上午十點半至紅樓302會議室協商立法院組織法修正案協商後我們再繼續開會現在休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
9926.257 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
9941.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
包園會我們繼續開會因程旭文會以本次會議議事日程草案送院會處理現在由黨團依照本院議事成立對本次會議議事日程草案提出異議現在我們進行處理並截止收案包園會現在黨團共識如下一 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
9942.549 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
9964.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
議程長確認 循例一 提案先後進行處理二 本支院會早上處理至報告事項完畢後隨即進行一般提案115年度中央政府總預算案先行動之案後即休息三 散開一般提案115年度中央政府總預算案先行動之案協商後再行處理 |
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9966.303 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
9987.352 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
4.本次院會下午2點半進行住宅法修正案衛星廣播電視法修正案政黨及其附隨組織不當取得財產處理條例修正案完成立法程序之後院會及休息進行後續議程所列討論事項之溝通 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
9989.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
10013.488 |
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五 上開住宅法修正案衛星廣播電視法修正案均依協商結論進行處理完成三讀之後均不再發言六 政黨及其附隨組織不當取得財產處理條例修正案依協商結論進行處理我們現在進行報告事項部分請議事人宣讀黨團字體內容 |
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本院民進黨黨團 針對立法院第十一屆第四會期第二十四會議議事成報告事項 質詢事項 擬請增列報告事項一案如附表是否有當進行公決本院台灣民眾黨黨團 針對第十一屆第四會期第二十四會議議成報告事項及質詢事項提議及限列議權草案所列議案及限表所列三十九案是否有當進行公決本院國民黨黨團 |
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針對第十一屆第四會期第二十次會議議程報告事項及質詢事項提議僅限列議權草案所列議案及效表所列三十九案是否有道進行公決宣讀完畢幫議會我們依照先後處理各黨團提議請問院會對民進黨黨團提議通過有無異議有異議我們要進行表決現在開始按鈴七分鐘並分發表決卡 |
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好報告院會現在按鈴7分鐘時間已到我們要開始進行表決請問是否每位委員都有拿到表決卡都有拿到表決卡我們開始進行表決針對民進黨提議贊成的暫停我們時間暫停 |
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議場人員請把沒有拿到表決卡的趕快發到各委員手上 |
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好 再次請問是否每位委員都有拿到表決卡都有拿到 我們要進行表決針對民進黨所提議的贊成請按贊成 反對請按反對現在有民進黨團要求記名表決我們時間一分鐘 現在開始 |
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報院會報告表決結果我們出席108位委員贊成48位反對60位贊成則少數民進黨黨團提議不通過報院會我們要進行處理台灣民眾黨團僅限列之提議因為國民黨團之提議與該黨團提議相同我們進行一併處理請問院會針對台灣民眾黨團國民黨團提議通過有無異議 |
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請問院會針對台灣民眾黨團、國民黨團提議有異議有異議我們要進行表決我們現在針對台灣民眾黨團、國民黨團提議現在由民進黨團要求記名表決贊成、暗贊成、反對暗反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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抱怨會報告表決結果出席109位委員贊成60位反對49位贊成者多數台灣民眾黨團、國民黨團提議照案通過本次會議一時之間報告事項、質詢事項照台灣民眾黨團、國民黨團提議通過抱怨會林俊憲委員發表聲明對剛才的表決與民進黨黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄 |
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我們現在進行處理討論事項部分以先後處理各黨團的提議我們現在處理民進黨黨團討論事項提供一樣請議事人員宣讀提議內容本月民進黨黨團針對歷史一屆第四會期第二十次會議議事日程討論事項禮請僅限列入表列三案是否有當進行公決宣禮完畢 |
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現在針對民進黨黨現在請問議會針對民進黨黨團提議有無異議有異議進行表決我們現在針對民進黨團的提議現在有民進黨要求記名表決我們時間一分鐘贊成按贊成反對按反對現在開始 |
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好 謝謝報告表決結果 謝謝謝謝 謝謝各位委員 謝謝請回我們出席109位委員贊成49位反對60位贊成者少數民進黨團體不通過我們現在進行處理台灣民眾黨團僅限列之提議 |
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因為國民黨團之提議與該黨團提議相同我們一併進行處理請議事人員一併宣讀提議內容本院台灣民眾黨黨團針對第十一屆第四會期第二十次會議議事成討論事項提議僅限列如附表其案是否有當進行公決本院國民黨黨團針對第十一屆第四會期第二十次會議議事成討論事項提議僅限列如附表共其案是否有當進行公決宣讀完畢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
請問院會對台灣民眾黨團、國民黨團提議有無異議有有異議我們要進行表決現在針對國民黨團、台灣民眾黨團提議現在由民進黨黨團、台灣民眾黨團要求記名表決我們開始進行記名表決暫時按暫時反對按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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代議會報告表決結果出席委員109位贊成60位反對49位贊成者多數台灣民眾黨團國民黨團體我們就照案通過本次會議議事日程討論事項照台灣民眾黨團國民黨黨團體通過本次會議議事日程確定現在進行報告事項請民主黨宣讀第四會期第19次會議議事錄 |
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11089.844 |
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宣讀立法院第十一屆第四會期第十九次會議釋入時間中華民國一百十五年一月二三日二七日地點本院議場出席委員陳委員陪議等一百十三年主席院長韓國瑜報告事項第一案宣讀本院第十一屆第四會期第十八次會議釋入決定確定 |
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第181 184至219案其中第194案決定經貨圖並由國民黨黨團負責召集協商第214案決定經貨圖並由民進黨黨團負責召集協商第217案決定經貨圖與相關提案變案協商其一案均決定交互相關委員會審查處理或交互相關委員會 |
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第182 第183 案為社會福利及衛生環境委員會等所提出報告案主席是向甲 |
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行政院打破玻璃三件以本院委員執行部分事件討論事項第一案決議交互黨團協商第二案決議協商後再行處理第三至七案均決議通過其他事項以本次會議議事熱程照台灣民眾黨黨團國民黨黨團提議通過澳民進黨黨團國民黨黨團輪迴提議抽出建法的各一案均予以通過宣讀完畢 |
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官員會針對第四會期第十九式會議議事錄邊緣委員或黨團提出錯誤或遺漏之處我們現在做以下決定第四會期第十九式會議議事錄確定我們現在處理針列部分請宣讀議案 |
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1.委員翁曉琳等領據軍人及其家屬有單條類第十九條條文修正草案,你將會交給國防委員會審查,宣傳完畢2.委員楊崇義等領據國民年金法部分條文修正草案,你將會受惠福利基歐上環境委員會審查,宣傳完畢3.委員徐曉新等領據幼兒教育及照護法第七條條文修正草案,你將會受育及文化社會福利基歐上環境委員會審查,宣傳完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
11209.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
11236.834 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
4.委員徐曉欣的理據 家庭暴力防治法第31條條文修正常案 擬交社會福利及優先環境司法及法治 兩委員會審查 宣讀外閉5.委員徐曉欣的理據 身陷障礙者權益保障法部分 兩委修正常案 擬交社會福利及優先環境委員會審查 宣讀外閉報告委員會 申列第四項第五案 現在由國民黨團體 金福二讀與相關提案並按協商 全院會有異議 面議本案金福二讀與相關提案並按協商 下議案 |
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11237.621 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
11256.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
6.委員林倩琦的禮句 國家中醫研究院設施條例長恩 您交司法及法制 社會福利及衛生環境 兩委員會審查 宣言完畢報告於院會 整列報告事項第六案 有國民黨團體 金富二讀與相關提案並案協商請院會有異議 面議本案金富二讀與相關提案並案協商 下一案 |
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11257.157 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
11282.995 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
7.委員王航維等理據政府財務法第九十八條條文修正草案,理交交通委員會審查,宣言完畢。8.委員王航維等理據中華民國刑法整理第273條是一條文草案,理交司法及法治委員會審查,宣言完畢。9.委員鄭天才等理據國民營經法部門條文修正草案,理交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查,宣言完畢。10.委員葉元智等理據國民體育法第二條及第三條條文修正草案,理交政府及文化委員會審查,宣言完畢。 |
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11284.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
11303.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
十一 委員葉元智的離去 就業保險法第十九條之二條維修正常案 擬交社會福利及外向環境委員會審查 宣傳並十二 委員油耗等擬廢止 內政部消防署阻止條例 擬交司法及法治內政委員會審查 宣傳並十三 委員油耗等擬廢止 內政部一件署阻止條例 擬交司法及法治內政委員會審查 宣傳並 |
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11305.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
11324.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
十四 委員由浩德 理費局內政部議政署 組織法 禮教司法及法制內選兩委會審查 宣傳筆十五 委員由浩德 領據 延久文明法 第三條條文 修正草案 禮教財政委員會審查 宣傳筆十六 委員由浩德 領據 國立大學教育業項目基金 順勢條例 第三條條文 修正草案 禮教教育節文化委員會審查 宣傳筆 |
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11325.812 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
11326.072 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
委員會選委員會選委員會選委員會選 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
11346.658 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
11356.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
二十一 臺灣民眾黨黨團領據公職員選舉報名法第26項委員會審查 宣言完畢二十一 臺灣民眾黨黨團領據保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰略計畫採購特別條例 審查 委員會審查 宣言完畢二十二 協政與海警宣言國民聯軍法部分條文修正 審查 委員會審查 宣言完畢二十三 協政與海警宣言自控防治法修正 審查 委員會審查 宣言完畢 |
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11376.072 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
11402.679 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
無異議通過報告事項第24案以下我們依序宣讀宣讀之後以上議案均照議事書意見通過請問願會有異議沒有異議請宣讀宣讀之後通過第24案 案為經濟母農業部國立國工博物院教育部國立國家通訊傳播委員會交通部海外113年度中央政府總算附屬單位選舉分別解鎖相關報告宣讀完畢 |
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11404.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
11404.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
請問院會有意通過下一項 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
11444.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
三 委員陳冠廷的連續中華民國領海吉林街區法律署調查文宣敦草案 擬交內政或交警府方刺激三委員會審查 宣布完畢四 委員陳冠廷的連續春風法則令第23條之一條文草案 擬交消動委員會審查 宣布完畢五 委員陳冠廷的連續廢棄五信令法第五室調查文宣敦草案 擬交社會福利局上環境委員會審查 宣布完畢五 委員陳冠廷的連續 |
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11444.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
11444.795 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
民主黨委員會委員會長委員會長委員會長 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
11462.817 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
11466.681 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
8.委員鄭振賢的領據 銀行法第125條 兩位修正常任 理交財經委員會審查9. |
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11466.681 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
11469.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
委員吳啓明的領據 森林法部分 兩位修正常任 理交經紀委員會審查10. |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
11469.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
11472.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
委員萬美玲的領據 交易事法第25條 兩位修正常任 理交交易局王化委員會審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
11479.375 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
11480.056 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
委員會審查委員會審查委員會審查 |
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11510.035 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
11511.536 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
委員會審查委員會審查委員會審查委員會審查委員會審查委員會審查 |
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11528.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
11530.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
五一通過下壓五一通過下壓五一通下壓 |
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11545.774 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
11546.374 |
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會議通過 下議案會議通過 下議案 |
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11568.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
11591.301 |
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21 內政部修正22 內政部修正22 內政部修正22 內政部修正22 內政部修正22 內政部修正22 內政部修正22 內政部修正22 內政部修正22 內政部修正22 內政部修正22 內政部修正22 內政部修正22 內政部修正22 內政部修正22 內政部修正22 內政部修正22 內政部修正22 內政部修正22 內政部修正22 內政部修正22 內政部修正22 內政部修正22 內政部修正22 內政部修正22 內政部修正22 內政部修正22 內政部修正 |
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23.外交部修正外國專業運載宣言來臺循職簽證 損殺集合發作業辦法 擬降外交警方內政兩委會 宣傳並不予通過效應24. |
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消防委員會還違反14年度永久居留權 取得困難之國家或地區及其居留資格認定基準 實行期間已為中華民國表達14年6月30日屆滿 當然廢止 擬降外交警方內政兩委會 宣傳並不予通過效應 |
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二十五 經濟不修正 為國代替專業人才具有經濟領域特殊專長 擬交經濟委員會 宣讀完畢二十六 經濟不修正 商業登記規範 收費準則第七條及第八條條文 擬交經濟委員會 宣讀完畢二十七 經濟不寒松 中小企業發展條例 第三階段條約鎖定基層員工範圍中有關中華民國一半十五年度基層員工薪資之一定金額 擬交經濟委員會 宣讀完畢 |
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11641.184 |
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11665.75 |
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二十八 經濟部修正再生能源發電設備設置管理辦法 禮交經濟委員會 宣傳完畢二十九 經濟部含存外國特定專業人才 具有生技領域跳出專長 禮交經濟委員會 宣傳完畢三十 經濟部含存中華民國115年度再生能源電能短功費率及其計算公式 禮交經濟委員會 宣傳完畢報告 院會三十案 台灣民眾黨團體改交審查本案交經濟委員會審查 下議案 |
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三十一 经济部还送经济部换领马丹鲜艳色户灾后公有零售市场设施复原办法 领交经济委员会宣传递三十二 农业部公告自中华民国一边行为的1月1日起禁止搬运出于动物性肥脏 出行土产下脚料是株质饲养场所且不能作为饲料或饲料天天无食用 但符合公告事项一单数规定之株质饲养场所不在此限 领交经济委员会宣传递三十三 内政部修正经营 |
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予以通過宣揚予以通過宣揚 |
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35.内政部 农业部修正 水道收入保险 实际保险费 补助办法的一条集体税调是一条文 您交进行委员会 宣判定36. |
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农业部修正 农业事业费 其后再利用管理办法第三条副表一 您交进行委员会 宣判定37. |
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农业部修正 高高美国佛罗里达州 资高物业性价钱流行性感冒非许删除 您交进行委员会 宣判定38. |
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11731.638 |
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农业部修正 高高美国佛罗里达州 资高物业性价钱流行性感冒非许 |
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11734.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
11741.242 |
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公告美国马里达州自公布疫情加强流行性感冒废去删除你将进行委员会宣传递49. |
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| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
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农业部修正公告美国内布拉斯加州自公布疫情加强流行性感冒废去删除你将进行委员会宣传递40. |
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| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
11749.164 |
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农业部修正公告法国德隆盛自公布疫情加强流行性感冒废去删除你将进行委员会宣传递41. |
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农业部修正公告法国德隆盛自公布疫情加强流行性感冒废去删除你将进行委员会宣传递42. |
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11756.086 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
农业部修正公告法国德隆 |
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11757.006 |
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不宜通过宣言不宜通过宣言不宜通过宣言 |
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44.農業部廢止各類選博非競合選不得進入安平漁港深水博區 領交基金委員會 宣傳並45. |
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| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
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國家發展委員會 涵送 衛國專業人才 野蘭及公用法第14條所定條件 領交基金委員會 宣傳並46. |
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金融建築委員會修正 衛國代替專業人才 具有金融領域 特殊專長職責的條件及認定原則第五點規定 領交財政委員會 宣傳並47. |
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衛國專業人才 |
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四十七金融監督管理委員會修正台灣地區到處地區保險應用往來及投資許可管理辦法部分條文及台灣地區保險機構在商訪門設立分支機構子公司需求辦法第三條第五條條文你交財政委員會宣傳並四十八金融監督管理委員會韓宋保險業作業委託他人處理內部作業制度及程序辦法你交財政委員會宣傳並 |
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第49 金融監督管理委員會 韓宋有關國際金融業務條例第22條 注釋第一項第7款規定之令 擬交財政委員會 宣言不依同我宣言不依同我宣言 |
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五十一 財政部修正 財政部雙區國稅局 苗栗分局編制表等六項編制表 並自一百十五年二月一日生效 擬交司法及法治財政兩委會 宣討完畢五十二 財政部修正 財政部北區國稅局 金融分局編制表等七項編制表 並自一百十五年二月一日生效 擬交司法及法治財政兩委會 宣討完畢 |
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五十三 財政部修正 財政部南區國稅局 嘉義縣分局編制表等七項編制表並自一百九年二月一日生效 擬交司法及法制財政委員會 宣傳並五十四 教育部修正 救助私立 幼兒園 社會福利器 國稅生意專有及專屬單位獎募主辦法 擬交教育及文化委員會 宣傳並五十四 教育部修正 救助私立 幼兒園 社會福利器 國稅生意專有及專屬單位獎募主辦法 擬交教育及文化委員會 宣傳並五十四 教育部修正 救助私立 |
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五十五 交通部修正公路通行費徵收管理辦法第十三條條文 擬交交通委員會 宣傳幣五十六 交通部海維採用國際海事組織所屬海洋環境保護委員會第七十二次會議所採納MEP 11.30072決議之壓艙水管理系統任何張承恩 擬交交通委員會 宣傳幣五十七 交通部修正穿梁鞋車安全聲音管理辦法第十四條附表 擬交交通委員會 宣傳幣五十七 交通部修正穿梁鞋車安全聲音管理辦法第十四條附表 擬交交通委員會 宣傳幣 |
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五一通過宣揚五一通過宣揚 |
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11942.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
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六十 數位發展部修正 資通安全管理法 執行七則 禮教消動委員會 宣讀完畢六十一 數位發展部還為資通安全事件通報及一遍辦法 禮教消動委員會 宣讀完畢六十二 數位發展部修正 資通安全警司分享辦法 禮教消動委員會 宣讀完畢 |
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64.公務人員保障及培訓委員會修正国家文官學院中區培訓中心編制表 並自115.2月1日宣效 擬交司法及法制委員會 宣布完畢65.公務人員保障及培訓委員會修正 國家文官學院中區培訓中心辦事系組 地方調集地所採訪 並自115.2月1日施行 擬交司法及法制委員會 宣布完畢 |
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報告院會本案由國民黨團體改交審查我們現在交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 |
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法院院會六七案有國民黨團體改交審查本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查下議案委員長我宣言 |
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六十九 衛生福利部還為斷層掃描用正值放射同為俗優良調氣作業準則名稱修正為正準樣品優良調氣作業準則並修正條文並立交社會福利及生活環境委員會宣傳並七十 衛生福利部還送在生醫療實際審查費收費標準立交社會福利及生活環境委員會宣傳並 |
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委員會本案70 國民黨團體改交審查本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查下一頁711 衛生福利部修正受聘務外國人健康檢查管理辦法擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會宣傳並委員會通過下頁711 衛生福利部廢止全民健康保險 保險評準 盧卡設備 值安全模組卡 收費標準擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會宣傳並委員會通過下頁 |
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七十三 衛生福利部修正 特定醫療技術檢查檢驗醫療儀器實行或使用規定辦法部分條文 擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會 宣讀完畢七十三 國民黨團體改交審查 本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 下一項七十四 衛生福利部喊送再修醫療統一書內容 擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會 宣讀完畢七十四 國民黨團體改交審查 本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 下一項 |
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75 衛生福利局韓送在宣揚雷霆規範的四項規定你將社會福利及衛生環境委員會宣傳並委員會75案 國民黨團體改交審查本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 下一項 |
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76 衛生福利部修正 居民嚴審的入辦法第四條及第六條導文 擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會 宣讀完畢76 國民黨團體改交審查 本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 下一頁77 衛生福利部修正 入試兒童及少年生活輔助與托育及醫療費用補助辦法第四條 第六條及第七條導文 擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會 宣讀完畢不予通過 下一頁 |
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七十八 勞動部修正勞動部勞動力發展署編制表 擬交司法及法治社會福利及衛生環境委員會 宣讀完畢七十九 勞動部含三位國專業人才依賴及雇用法第十一條 規定為國人申請許可及國內辦法 擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會 宣讀完畢七十九 按國民黨團體改交審查本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查下案 |
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80 勞動務修正 勞動務修理 外國專業 人才 遊覽及公用法 涉及人權收費標準 擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會 宣討完畢委員通過下言81 勞動務修正 僱主 聘務外國人 需可及管理一般法 部分條文 擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會 宣討完畢委員會81案 國民黨團體改交審查 本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查下言 |
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八十二 勞動部修正 外國人受聘務 從事就業扶法 第四十六條 聽向第八款 制定十一款 規定工作時轉換雇主或工作程序準則部分條文 禮教社會福利及優先環境委員會 宣傳第八十三 勞動部修正 就業扶法 申請案件 審查分析 證照費 收費標準 第二條及第六條條文 禮教社會福利及優先環境委員會 宣傳第 |
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八十四 勞動部修正 共處聘僱外國人從新就業服務法第四十六條 定向地盤會 追締實管歸定式工作應強納就業安定費數額票 禮交社會福利及衛生環境委員會 宣言完畢報議院會八十四案 國民黨團體改交審查本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查下一案 |
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八十五 勞動部還送外國技術人力工作資格及學校管理辦法 擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會 宣傳幣八十五 案國民黨團體改交審查本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 下議案八十六 勞動部還為北約修正職業安全衛生法 部分條文通過附帶權益 解送保障勞工並駕駛時書面劃工 擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會 宣傳幣 |
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八十八 環境部修正土壤污染評估調查及檢測作業管理辦法第四條附件依附將有期 第六條附表禮教社會福利及文獻環境委員會 宣傳並八十九案 國民黨團體改交審查 |
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跟證 八十八案 違議通過 下一項八十九 環境部修正共同性訓練費期負責任 管理辦法第四條 複表你將社會福利及衛生環境委員會宣讀完畢八十九案 國民黨團體改交審查本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 下一項 |
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90.環境部修正應裝置及其追蹤系統之清潔機具及其規定公告事項第二項您請擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會宣傳並91. |
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環境部修正應辦廢棄無限主體方式公告事項附表1擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會宣傳並91. |
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國民黨團體改交審查本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查下一項 |
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九十二 環境部還送外國特定專業人才具有環境領域特殊專長擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會 宣暖幣九十二 國民黨團體改交審查本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 下一項九十三 環境部修正大型柴油車調修燃油控制系統或加裝控控器 |
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委員通過下一案委員通過 |
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包園會95-184案依序宣讀其中95-100、103、107-111、114、117至124、126至130、132至136、138、139案台灣民眾黨團提議改交審查 |
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宣讀之後以上議案均改交相關委員會審查其餘的議案均照議事處意見通過請問院會有異議沒有異議我們宣讀之後通過請宣讀第九案 最低1842位行政院大陸委員會不當黨產處理委員會外交部國軍退學官並不當委員會 |
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民國防部國防部經濟部農業部金融監督管理委員會中央銀行文化部國家科學及技術委員會可能安全委員會交通部數位發展部經常員秘書長考試員秘書長國家發展委員會公民交易委員會財政部行政院主席總署國立故宮博物院教育部運動部中央研究院國家通訊傳播委員會國家運輸安全調查委員會衛生福利部環境部勞動部防護部 |
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行政院人事行政總署韓文憲更年度相應一歲一百十四年度中央政府走一歲一百十四年度中央政府走一歲附屬單位一歲中央政府因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安徵信特別預算等預算權益分別解送相關報告宣讀完畢請宣讀質詢事項質詢事項本院委員質詢部分本院總委員經會向行政院提出質詢供應件宣讀完畢報告 |
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報告院會報告事項已經處理完畢我們現在進行討論事項第一案本院國民黨團台灣民眾黨團共同提案建請院會作成決議115年度總預算案中具有急迫性及攸關重大民生資新興資本支出及新增計劃本院同意先行予以動之請公決案 |
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本案經第四會期第十九次會議決議協商之後再行處理報告委員會本案依照黨團共識我們現在做以下決議協商之後再行處理報告委員會依照黨團共識上午的會議進行到此為止下午兩點三十分我們繼續開會進行後續討論事項現在休息 |
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官員會我們現在繼續開會進行討論事項第二案住宅法部分條文修正草案請宣讀審查報告 |
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本院內建委員會於114年4月24日、6月19日、8月14日、12月24日及29日分別召開全體委員會議審查傷害草案由內建委員會劉兆謹委員許廷、黃兆謹委員兼並擔任主席除要請田委員說明田要職並邀請相關機關代表列席報告並辦諮詢 |
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於報告期尋答完畢 進行條文制諸條審查與會員於聽取証明並經准異討論後 完成全案制審查令通過附帶權益三項全案病案審查完畢 理據審查報告提報院會討論院會討論前 需請黨團先生院會討論時 推請黃召集委員建兵做補充說明宣讀完畢我們現在請召集委員黃建兵委員補充說明 |
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沒有補充說明本案經審查會決議須交由黨團協商另外黃建豪委員等張志倫委員等郭國文委員等分別提案經第四會期第十六次十七次會議決定禁服二讀與相關提案並案協商廖偉祥委員等 |
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經第四會期第19次會議決定自委員會抽出二讀與相關提案並按協商報言會本案現在已經完成協商請宣讀協商結論立法院黨團協商結論時間115年1月28日星期三上午11時29日星期四下午3時30分地點紅樓301 302會議室 |
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寫上主題住宅法部分條文修正草案寫上結論一保留條文第47條第52條送院會處理二寫上通過條文第4條第18條如附件含立法說明三第10條不予修正維持現行條文四第57條之一不予增訂五增列附帶決議項如附件六區域軍造審查會審查結果通過七本案院會進行處理 |
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廣泛討論由各黨團各推派一人發言每人發言時間為三分鐘逐條討論時各黨團均不發言保留條文依各黨團版本提出先後進行處理禮讓民進黨黨團版本優先西洋主持人韓國瑜將啟程西洋代表羅志強林沛翔傅君綺徐宇甄游浩游許婷柯建民鍾嘉斌陳培瑜張其楷陳昭芝黃國昌麥玉珍張宏祿宣讀完畢 |
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請問院會對以上協商結論有意義沒有意義我們本案後續依照協商結論進行處理我們現在進行廣泛討論各黨團推派代表發言首先請黃國昌委員發言張宏祿委員請準備 |
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院長 本院委員軍事正義是2024年台灣民眾黨邁向大選的時候我們對於全國的人民全國的年輕人所做的莊嚴承諾這個承諾事實上在2023年7月16號數萬名的年輕人聚集凱道發出怒吼的時候我們說過了 |
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針對於居住正義的實踐怎麼樣在社會住宅建立中央統一登記的平台為輪候制打下好的基礎怎麼樣讓租屋市場的透明化能夠落實保障每一個租屋者的權益這些承諾我們從來沒有忘記 |
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對於民主進步黨而言 舉注正義向來只是騙選票的工具除了現在賴清德自己任期還沒有到 就已經自己先跳票高喊社會住宅百萬戶 結果搞到現在剩下四萬戶 |
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連這一次在推動有關於住宅法相關的修正我們的主管機關我們的民進黨政府找出各式各樣的藉口就是不願意落實連最基本的租屋市場透明化連最基本的建立全國社會住宅統一需求平台的登記藉口一堆都不願意做甚至 |
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在今天民主進步黨所討論出來院會最後一天的討論事項根本連住宅法三個字都沒有看到面對當民進黨政府過去這八年來不斷地將台灣的房價指數推高 |
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不斷的讓房價所得比失控甚至推出離譜的新清安的政策荒腔走板讓熱錢進入不動產市場不斷的推高房價的同時我們還看到民進黨政府說他們推了囤房稅2.0結果我公開質詢的時候直接問財政部直接問內政部為什麼 |
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在民進黨政府推了囤房數2.0之後全國的空汙數 全國的空汙率不斷攀下歷史新高台灣民眾黨說到做到2023年7月16號我們在凱道跟大家所做的承諾我也要謝謝中國國民黨非常多的委員的支持我們今天一起完成三讀謝謝大家好 謝謝黃國昌委員的發言 |
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接下來我們請張宏祿委員發言 牛許廷委員請準備啊 各位 群院的同仁 |
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住宅法要進步的力量大家都要我們在委員會將近30條的法案的修正案我們一個一個一個討論討論到剩下兩個我在這邊必須要講一句話不要眺望天邊的彩虹啊然後啊踩壞啊眼前的玫瑰我為什麼要這樣子說呢進步大家都要但 |
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我們剩下保留的47條跟52條第47條它要求我們未來所有的申報要以每坪來計算這會造成兩個後果一個填寫不容易另外一個租金會上漲為什麼要這樣說 |
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很多人舉很多外國的例子但舉的例子都是時評制的國家如果今天這個法案在商辦商業辦公大牢我百分之百支持但台灣的租屋條件不一樣記得我從南部來台北的時候我租的房子是跟房東住在一起房東就一間房子租給我 |
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那到底算幾坪啦房東也不知道我們也不知道那我們現在的租屋市場有雅房有套房有整層的如果你是整層出租我覺得還可以核實的去填寫如果你是租雅房你是租套房 |
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房東如果給你的是實際的坪數還是群狀的坪數這到時候誤差會非常的大那如果大家都停寫的是我實際套房的坪數我跟你講未來會造成租金大幅的上漲對租客族是非常非常的不利的所以這一點我們沒有說不修改我們只是說不要到每坪計 |
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你可以我現在的租屋我雅房多少我套房多少我們先這樣填寫我們一步不能賣得太快不然會造成租金的上漲先學會跑再來跳再來52條一直說要給房東更多的補助跟修繕不得低於2.5倍 |
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我相信如果常常租過房子的人就知道如果我房子沒有壞我最討厭我最不喜歡我的屋主來找我說他要幹嘛幹嘛未來如果每年要請這筆修繕我們的租客每天每年一定要讓房東進來修房子進來敲敲打打這是我們不樂意所見的啊好 謝謝張宏祿委員的發言 |
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接下來我們請劉許庭委員請發言謝謝主席 大院各位同仁有關居住正義的住宅法修正草案本屆在跨黨派的委員有提出非常非常多不同的版本無非就是希望在這個基本的居住需求上面可以進一步的獲得滿足並且提高相關的品質 |
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首先我們要特別感謝黃建斌召委在這個會期積極的來排案本月南內政委員會利用第三會期跟第四會期接近一整年的時間充分的討論讓修法的重點聚焦在第一擴大社宅的入住資格以20%的額度優惠入住社宅鼓勵婚育家庭 |
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第二提高包租代包租的社宅數量以及大幅的增加政策誘因第三增加社宅用地的儲備機制第四建立統一的社會住宅登記平台為社會住宅的輪候制打下堅實的基礎最後是有關於租屋市場透明化讓每一年投入這麼多的預算投入租屋補貼等等優惠要收到更好的政策效果 |
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這五大議題在充分的討論之後大體上都大步的向前邁進很多的條文已經在內政委員會跟黨團協商時達成共識現在只剩要如何公佈租屋價格資訊以及包租的補助倍數這兩項尚待院會表決本席要強調單位面積的租金才能夠真實反映居住品質所需要付出的真實價格水準 |
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不納入面積的總價本身不具備可比性更有可能造成租金總價不變但是貧數持續縮水的隱形租金通膨也使得政府沒有辦法充分的掌握租賃市場真正的價格結構而削弱補貼政策精準對接品質的能力而加大 |
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力道補助包租是為了要平衡包租跟貸管的失衡狀態現在的狀況是大部分人都投入了貸管但包租這個進步有限我們希望更多的業者也好房東也好願意投入租期更穩定的包租房屋去充實租賃市場 |
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所以透過不得低於2.5倍這樣子的一個修法希望政府增編預算鼓勵包租的政策能夠趕上進度我們懇請院會可以支持國民黨跟民眾黨共同的修正動議我們要誠懇的呼籲內政部懸崖勒馬社宅興建13萬戶政策目標不應該下修而是應該善用本次住宅法修訂的社宅儲備機制配合各地的軌道建設 |
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讓我們一起讓居住正義再往前一步謝謝 |
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主宰法第一條第二條 |
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維持現行條文請宣讀第四條 |
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第四条主管机关及民间新办公室社会住宅应以直辖市县市辖区为计算范围提供至少40%比率出租于经济或社会弱势者提供至少20%比率出租于新冠二年内或拥有未成年子女之婚姻家庭另提供一定比例于未设计于当地且在该地区就学就业有居住需求者但申请时婚姻家庭数量未达保留比率者剩余部分不在此限 |
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前項經濟或社會弱勢者身份指家庭總收入平均分配全家人口之金額及家庭財政未掌握主管機關公告之一定標準且符合下列規定之一者一、低收入戶或中低收入戶二、特殊金融家庭三、育有未成年子女二人以上 |
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4 于安置教养机构或寄养家庭结束安置无法返家未满25岁或65岁以上之老人6 受家庭暴力或性侵害之受害者及其子女其身心障碍者8 感染人类免疫缺乏病毒者或罹患后天免疫缺乏症候群者9 原住民10 灾民11 游民12 因怀孕或生育而遭遇困境之未成年人 |
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13.其他经主管机关认定者,第一项预免未成年子女之家庭,已未成年子女人数较多者先于成租其办法由主管机关定之宣读完毕好,协商条文通过第五条、第九条、第十条、第十五条、第十六条均维持现行条文请宣读第十八条 |
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第十八條 中央主管機關應建制全國統一之申請登記平台供符合第25條第一項資格之人登記經申請人統一者並得自相關目的事業主管機關間接其家庭成員之護證、殘稅及社會福利個人資料 |
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主管機關依舊前項資料定期統計分析將其供給區委護署需求防行配比其所需公共設施作為將來擬定社會住宅新辦計劃之依據並於主管機關之網站公開之第一項由中央主管機關建置之申請登記平台的間接指向市縣市主管機關之社會住宅登記平台宣讀完畢照寫上條文通過第19條維持現行條文請宣讀增訂 |
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第十九條之一第十九條之一第十九條第一項第六款新辦之社會住宅各年度計劃物件總量中財存租民間住宅並轉租及單位管理以達百分之五十為原則並優先轉租於符合本法第四條第二項之對象宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過第二十條維持現行條文請宣讀增訂第二十一條之一 |
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第21條之一 都市計畫擬定機關與辦理都市計畫新訂擴大或通盤檢討時因衡著當地人口發展及居住狀況會商指向市縣市主管機關評估社會住宅使用之需求化設社會住宅所需用地宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過第22條至第25條第33條至第35條第39條 |
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第40條第43條均維持現行條文報告委員會我們要現在進行處理保留條文第47條請宣讀 |
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民进党党团再修正动议第47条为引导住宅市场健全发展主管机关应定期缩及分析及公布下列住宅资讯一租赁于满满住宅市场之供给需求用地及交易价格二租赁住宅市场一期形态及屋龄区分至租金价格资讯并以中位数及分位数方式呈现其中属第9条第一项第三款及第19条第一项第6款之租住宅者应优先办理三 |
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经济或社会弱势者之居住需求 住宅补贴政策成效四 居住品质状况 住宅环境风险及居住满意度五 其他必要事住宅资讯前项住宅资讯之搜集各级政府情况购物金融 住宅投资 生产交易及使用等相关产业 工会及团体应配合提供相关统计资讯 |
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资料搜集运用及发布应遵守相关法律之规定住宅相关咨询之搜集管理及奖励办法由中央主管机关定之台湾民众的党团、国民党、党团共同所提在修正多一第47条为引导住宅市场健全发展 |
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主管机关应定其收集分析及公布下列住宅资讯1.买卖住宅市场之供及需求用地及交易价格2.租赁住宅市场依其形态及屋龄区分之每平租金价格资讯并以中位数及分位数之方式呈现其中属第9条第1项第3款及第19条第1项第6款之成租住宅准应优先办理 |
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三 经济或社会弱势者之居住需求住宅补贴政策成效四 居住品质状况住宅环境风险及居住满意度五 其他必要之住宅资讯前项住宅资讯之收集各级政府 金管购物金融 住宅投资生产交易及使用等相关产业公会及团体应配合提供相关统计资讯资料收集运用及发布应遵守相关法律之规定住宅相关资讯之收集管理及奖励办法 |
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由中央主管監管定制宣傳完畢好 抱怨會我們現在開始進行處理我們開始按鈴7分鐘病情異常人員發表決卡現在開始按鈴 |
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好報議會我們按鈴時間已到請問委員是否都有拿到表決卡都有拿到表決卡我們要開始進行表決我們首先要表決民進黨所提在修正動議條文現在民進黨團要求記名表決我們開始進行記名表決贊成民進黨在修正動議條文請按贊成反對按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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報告表決結果在場出席委員108位贊成47位反對61位贊成者少數民進黨團所提再修正動議條文不通過 |
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我們現在開始進行表決台灣民眾黨團、國民黨團共同所提再修正動議條文現在由民進黨、台灣民眾黨要求記名表決贊成兩黨所提再修正動議條文請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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保留委員會報告表決結果在場委員108位贊成60位反對48位贊成者多數第47條照台灣民眾黨團國民黨團共同所提在修正動議條文通過我們現在進行保留條文第52條請宣讀 |
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民进党党团在修正动议第52条主管机会为提升租屋市场健全方针因严厉住宅租赁发展政策针对租赁相关制度专业服务及第四条经济或社会弱势租赁协助严厉短中长期进化并求租屋市场资讯媒合服务专业管理协助及纠纷咨询等 |
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提供相关服务 前线服务等由租屋服务事业办理其认定及奖励办法 由中央主管机关定制行政署第19条 第一项第6款承租民间住宅并转租及单位管理物件之补助出租人总金额以每合成出租双方及单位管理物件2.5倍为原则台湾民众党团 国民党党团共同所提在修正动议第52条 |
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主管机关为提升租屋市场稳健全发展因严厉注在租赁发展政策针对租赁相关制度专业服务及第四条经济或社会弱势租赁协助严厉短中长期进化并就租屋市场资讯媒合服务专业管理协助及纠纷咨询等提供相关服务 |
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前项服务等由租屋服务事业办理其认定及奖励办法由中央主管机关定制其中属第19条第一项第6款全租民间住宅并转租及单位管理物件只补充出租人总金额不等小于每合成租租双方及单位管理物件2.5倍宣传完毕 |
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外務院會莊瑞雄委員發表聲明對剛才的表決與民進黨黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄我們現在開始進行表決民進黨團在修正動議條文現在由民進黨團要求記名表決我們開始記名表決暫時民進黨所提在修正動議條文請按暫時反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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貿易會報告表決結果在場委員108位贊成48位反對60位贊成者少數民進黨黨團在修正動議條文不通過我們現在開始進行表決台灣民眾黨團國民黨團共同所提在修正動議條文 |
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現在有民進黨團 台灣民眾黨團要求記名表決贊成兩黨團所共同所提再修正動議條文請安贊成 反對 請安反對時間一分鐘 現在開始 |
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報告委員會報告表決結果出席108位委員贊成60位反對48位贊成者多數第52條照台灣民眾黨團國民黨團共同所提在修正動議條文通過報告委員會范雲委員等提案第5章之1張明第52條之1第53條之1及牛許廷委員等提案第57條之1均不予增訂 |
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报告院会我们全院已经经过二读现在有国民党团台湾民众党团分别提议继续进行三读请问院会有无疑没有疑我们现在开始请宣读经过二读这条文第四条主管机关及民间新犯罪社会住宅应以直辖市县市辖区为计算范围提供至少百分之四十比率出租于经济或社会弱势者提供至少百分之二十比率出租于新犯二年内或育幼 |
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未成年子女之婚育家庭另提供一定比率于未涉及于当地且在该地区就学就业有居住需求者但申请时婚育家庭数量未达保留比率者剩余部分不在此限选项经济或社会弱势者身份指家庭总收入平均分配全家人口之金额及家庭财产为超过主管金管公告之一定标准且符合下列规定之一者 |
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一 低收入户或中低收入户二 特殊境遇家庭三 遇有未成年子女二人以上四 于安置教养机构或寄养家庭结束安置无法返迁未满25岁或65岁以上之老人六 受家庭暴力或性侵害之受害者及其子女其身心障碍者八 感染人类免疫缺乏病毒者或罹患后天免疫缺乏症候群者 |
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九 原住民十 災民十一 遊民十二 因懷孕或生育而遭遇困境之未成年人十三 其他經營主管機關認定者第一項 欲有未成年子女之家庭以未成年子女人數消多者先於成豬其辦法由主管機關定之 |
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第18條 中央主管機關應建制全國統一之申請登記平台供符合第25條第一項資格之人登記經申請的統一者並得自相關目的事業主管機關藉機其家庭成員之戶政財稅及社會福利個人資料 |
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主管机关依旧前项资料定期统计分析将其供给军委获取需求方行配比及所需公共设施作为将来拟定社会住宅新办计划之依据并于主管机关之网站公开之第一项由中央主管机关建置之申请登记平台而借鉴直辖市县市主管机关之社会住宅登记平台 |
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第十九条第一项第六款新办公室社会住宅各年多计换物件总量中载全租民间住宅并转租及单位管理已到50%为原则并优先转租于符合本法第四条第二项之对象 |
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第21條之一 都市計劃擬定機關與辦理都市計劃新訂 擴大或通販檢討時因橫著當地人口發展及居住狀況 會商指向市縣市主管機關評估社會住宅使用之需求 劃清社會住宅所需用地 |
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第47条 为引导住宅市场坚决方案主管机关应定其收集分析及公布销列住宅资讯一 晚班住宅市场之供给需求用地及交易价格二 租赁住宅市场应其形态及物领区分之每平租金价格资讯并以中位数及分位数之方式呈现其中所第9条 第1项第3款及第19条第1项第6款之成租住宅者应优先办理 |
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3.经济或社会弱势救市居住需求住宅补贴政策成项4.居住品质状况 住宅环境风险及居住文艺度5.其他必要时住宅资讯成项住宅资讯支收及各级政府清关购金融住宅投资 生产交易及使用的相关产业公会及团体应配合提供相关统计资讯 |
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資料蒐集運用及發布應遵守相關法令之規定註冊相關資訊之蒐集管理及獎勵辦法由中央主管機關定之 |
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第52条主管机关为提升租屋市场健全发展因严厉注册租赁发展政策针对租赁相关制度专业服务及第4条经济或社会弱势租赁协助严厉短中长期进化并就租屋市场资讯媒合服务专业管理协助及纠纷咨询等提供相关服务前项服务等由租屋服务事业办理 |
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其認定及獎勵辦法由中央主管機關定之其中屬第19條第1項第6款承租民間住宅並轉租及代為管理物件只補助出租人總金額不等省於媒合、承租、承出租雙方及代為管理物件2.5倍宣讀完畢報應會三讀條文已經宣讀完畢現在有三個黨團 |
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共同提議第19條之一 據守第19條文字修正為前提請問院會 有無異議沒有異議 我們就找三個黨團共同所提意見做文字修正報告院會 現在有國民黨團依據立法院職權新設法第11條規定您提請將全案負表決 |
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我們現在進行全案表決贊成全案通過者請按贊成反對請按反對棄權請按棄權現在有民進黨團要求記名表決我們開始進行記名表決時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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報告表決結果在場為108位贊成60位反對48位贊成者多數全案表決通過我們現在做以下決議住宅法增訂第19條報告現在民進黨團要求重複表決我們要進行重複表決針對 |
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全案的副表決我們要再一次進行表決贊成國民黨團 請按贊成反對 請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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報告表決結果出席108位贊成108票反對0票棄權0票贊成者多數我們全院表決通過我們現在做以下決議住宅法徵定第19條之一及第21條之一條文 |
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並將第4條、98條、第47條及第52條條文修正通過我們繼續處理審查會通過及協商結論所作之附帶決議請議事人員一併宣讀附帶決議之內容委員會通過附帶決議三項 |
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一 未物實回應原住民的居住需求本次修法後原住民組委員會應與主管機關協商規劃以參見方式換取提高一定比例原住民可承租戶的方式創造原住民可鋪單可選擇且具文化尊重的居住選項二 建井內政部應盡速研議 |
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修正社會住宅相關申請規定將未成年身心障礙者納入社會住宅經濟或社會弱勢者適用對象三 內政部應與財政部定期視租屋市長行情滾動檢討免稅額度及提供適度支付稅優惠每六個月送交書面報告與內政委員會協商結論通過互待決議項 |
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主管機關研議以下行政作為之可行性一 內政部應重新檢視並修正包租代管相關獎勵辦法確立高補貼諸若四之政策原則二 |
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內政部應與相關執法或契約換本中明訂包租業者落實優先轉租與落實互補之具體義務三 請內政部於本法修正通過後六個月內向立法院內政委員會提出具體執行方案及防弊機制之書面報告宣讀完畢 |
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官員會依照協商結論我們均照案通過我們現在進入討論事項第三案衛星廣播電視法部分條文修正草案請宣讀審查報告 |
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本院交通委員會分別於114年12月8日及12月22日召開全體委員會議審查上刊草案均由洪兆起委員孟凱擔任主席委員張琦凱等說明台要職國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員陳崇樹報告並邀請金融監督管理委員會等相關機關派員列席備詢 |
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我們現在請召集委員洪孟凱委員補充說明沒有補充說明本案經審查會決議須交由黨團協商報告委員會本案已經完成協商請宣讀協商結論 |
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立法院黨團協商結論時間115年1月28日星期三上午11時地點本院紅樓山林會議室斜陽主題衛星廣播電視法部分條文修正草案斜陽結論1第4條第20條第49條及第66條之一均不予修正維持現行條文2增訂第12條之一及增訂第58條之一均不予增訂 |
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三 第五條 第十條 第十七條 第十八條 第十九條及第五十條均保留送請院會處理四 針列附帶決議一項如附件五 其餘均照審查會審查結果通過六 本案院會進行處理時廣泛討論由各黨團各推派議員發言逐條討論不再發言逐條時保留條文依各黨團版本提出先後進行表決 |
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協商主持人韓國瑜、江啟臣協商代表傅根吉、羅志強、林佩翔、柯建銘、陳培宇、鍾嘉斌、張喜凱、陳紮之、黃國昌宣讀完畢請問院會對以上協商結論有異議沒有異議我們本案後續就依照協商結論進行處理拜會我們要進行廣泛討論請各黨團推派代表發言首先請陳培宇委員發言羅志強委員請準備 |
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謝謝主席首先在發言之前我要拜託並且我要公開請問國民黨還有民眾黨的委員你們今天的提案會不會回溯到中天電視台請等一下上台發言的時候公開告訴全台灣人民 |
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你們今天的修法會不會回溯到正在進行行政訴訟的中天電視台等一下請直接上台回應請你們公開保證不會回復到 |
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中天電視台陳玉珍我等你我要告訴大家中天電視台就是媒體界的第五壯隊媒體的威力跟陳健是一樣的我再說一次請尊重發言委員權謝謝韓院長陳玉珍不要打斷我的發言 |
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我要再說一次媒體的威力跟武器是一樣的現在台灣人每天都在受到假訊息還有資訊認知作戰的威脅而今天等一下我們要表決的衛廣有兩條正是國民黨為了中天大開後門我再次強調 |
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大開後門而條文當中有非常多荒謬的地方我們等一下就來看看國民黨跟民眾黨要如何表態同時我要拜託大家幫我諧詢2019年舉辦反紅媒大遊行的黃國昌委員 |
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在外面不敢進來黃國昌你當時說拒絕紅色媒體守護台灣民主我今天這把話還給你等一下我們來看一看黃國昌跟民眾黨你們等一下怎麼表態 |
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2019年黃國昌跟館長站在舞台上告訴大家拒絕紅色媒體守護台灣民主甚至還在遊行的前幾天親自走到NCC要求撤銷中天的執照 |
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2020年NCC駁回中天換照的申請黃國昌還發文感謝說NCC委員頂住了政治壓力守住了專業審查終於可以向蔡衍明的中天告別了 |
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黃國昌當時還痛批中天跟國民黨不斷炒作似是而非的言論但很可惜我們看到了2019年跟2026年的黃國昌看起來不是同一個人但態度始終如一協助中天在台灣作亂是媒體界的第五縱隊中天就是在台灣的官媒 |
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就是台北的央視媒體的威力不可小覷等一下十八十九條我就公開呼籲請國民黨說清楚你們等一下通過的條款不會回溯到中天電視台謝謝陳培委員的發言歡迎再一次拜託大家今天是最後一次的院會本會期請務必尊重不同 |
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我知道尊重委員發言的權益拜託大家即使大家可能理念上不接受而且今天有六位立法委員即將離開立法院最後一次的院會請大家珍惜彼此的機會務必尊重發言委員的權益特別拜託大家接下來我們請羅志強委員發言林國成委員請準備民進黨放開你的張手 |
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民進黨放開你打壓新聞 剷除異己的髒手今天為廣法的修正 標示的就是我們捍衛新聞自由的決心十年政績忙忙忙 打壓新聞就是民進黨 |
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在這次我們修法當中我們開宗明義就先把憲法當中捍衛新聞自由作為衛廣法的一個立法目的直接將捍衛新聞自由入法 |
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更重要的是過去NCC成為民進黨御用東廠找盡各種理由來去壓制言論來去關新聞台的這件事情這一次我們在衛廣法修正當中也特別的來去嚴加的限制今天民進黨濫用NCC來去關新聞台 |
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我要回溯台灣民主發展的歷程今天民進黨在過去十年執政最大的成就就是關新聞台民進黨一天到晚把鄭南榮放在嘴上百分之百的言論自由但是只要你敢今天對執政者的異議 |
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對執政者監督對執政者批判我告訴你NCC就會出動這NCC荒謬到什麼程度他今天違法濫權毀憲亂政關掉新聞台結果呢用的理由 |
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都被法院打臉一而再 三而四的敗訴創下有史以來訴訟費用最高的NCC敗訴連連因為連法院都不能認同NCC這種違法亂證所以民進黨在胡扯什麼 |
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你今天看看我們未管法修正很簡單我們要求今天如果說今天NCC做出撤銷新聞台的處分法院一旦判決NCC判敗 |
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NCC負擔回復頻道的責任 這有什麼不對法院如果打臉NCC 難道NCC不該修正它的錯誤嗎結果民進黨上綱到什麼地方 又是紅媒 又是什麼恢復中天新聞台 我還是忽略一句話啊中天新聞台或任何媒體今天觸犯國安法 你用國安法辦它 |
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但是有嗎沒有因為沒有辦法用國安法辦就用你的NCC東廠來辦新聞自由從今天開始謝謝大家謝謝好謝謝羅志強委員發言接下來我們請林國成委員請發言時代轉變完全不一樣 |
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你看中天你認為是紅色電視台可是我看某些電視台它就是綠色電視台所以每一個人的看法完全不一所以不要以偏概淺把黃國昌過去的事就把它當成今天修法的目的 |
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各位修法非常公正剛才羅志強委員已經講得很清楚經由法院判決那當然就是要恢復所以中天有沒有恢復我正式告訴我們各位 |
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中天要恢復要經由法院之判決所以請你們不要擔心把所有法條看一看再來指責這個我特別拜託我們所有的同仁所以我是覺得這次的修法是明確規範新聞台只要有政府標案必須要把公開相關資料 |
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把它公開透明這是一項台灣民眾黨非常注重的一個問題另外也就是黨政經核心的問題不是說要退出媒體嗎但是在這個部分確確實實還沒有辦法完完全全脫離真正的乾淨的媒體所以今天的有些法規 |
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也是在規範這個部分那在換照的部分要兼顧程序正義所以NCC過去有沒有公正審辦有沒有關新聞台大家心知肚明 |
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所以我們今天把所有的廣電華去把它修是在補足這裡要NCC對於整個問題程序不明標準不一救濟不足以及換照在這裡面是唯他獨尊所以這個部分是在修華 |
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補足這裡也就是政治方向不要誤導專業的判斷所以今天我們修華主要的目的是在這裡還有另外一個就是季節政治力的介入守住健全的言論自由這就是媒體本來就是要做的所以我們今天修華我們跟國民黨修華 |
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哪裡有什麼中天條款所以請你們把法條看清楚再來批評這樣的話才不會冤枉你是立法委員謝謝 |
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本案保留條文僅宣讀院會所收各黨團版本再修正動議其餘的提案內容均列入公報紀錄進行處理的時候依序進行表決如果其中有一案通過我們就不再處理其他案衛星廣播電視法請宣讀第一條 |
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第一條 為捍衛新聞自由 促進衛星廣播電視健全發展保障公眾視聽權益 維護視聽多元化開拓我國傳播視野之國際空間並加強區域文化交流 特制定本法宣讀完畢審查會條文通過 請宣讀第二條 |
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第二条 本法用词定义如下一 卫星广播电视只利用卫星进行声音或视讯信号之播送以供公众收听或收视二 卫星广播电视事业只直播卫星广播电视服务事业及卫星频道节目供应事业三 直播卫星广播电视服务事业只直接向订户收取费用利用自有或他人设备提供卫星广播电视服务之事业 |
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四 衛星頻道節目供應事業指自由或向衛星轉頻器經營者租賃轉頻器或頻道將節目或廣告經由衛星傳送至供公眾收視聽直播送平台之事業五 境外衛星廣播電視事業指利用衛星播送節目或廣告至中華民國管轄區域內之外國衛星廣播電視事業 |
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六、衛星轉頻器,以下簡稱轉頻器,只設置在衛星上之通信中繼設備,其功用為接收地面站發射之上鏈信號,再變換成下列頻率向地面發射。其他類頻道節目供應事業,只利用衛星以外之方式,以一定頻道名稱之節目或廣告,傳送至公眾收視廳之播送平台之事業。 |
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八 新闻及财经新闻频道 只以直播新闻 财经新闻等节目为主要内容制频道九 公务频道 只专以促销商品或服务为内容制广告频道十 内部控管机制 只含内部控管组织架构 人员编制 品质控管 作业流程及节目与广告直播规范等控管制度 |
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11 节目 只依排定次序及时间由一系列影像声音及其相关文字所组成之独立单元内容12 广告 只问事业机关购团体或个人行销或宣传商品观念服务或形象所播送之影像声音及其相关文字 |
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十三 贊助 指事業 機關購 團體或個人為推廣特定名稱 商標 形象 活動或產品在不影響節目編輯 製作 自主或內容呈現之完整情形象而提供金錢或非金錢之給付十四 置入性行銷 指為事業 機關購 團體或個人行銷或宣傳基於有償或對強關係與節目中呈現特定觀念 商品 商標服務或其相關資訊 特徵等之行為宣言完畢 |
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照審查會條文通過第四條維持現行條文我們現在進行保留條文第五條請宣讀 |
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民进党党团在书正动议国民党党团台湾民众党团共同所提在书正动议第五条政府其捐助成立制裁员法人及其受托人不得为下列行为但其他法律另有规定者不在此限一直接投资卫星广播电视事业二担任卫星广播电视事业之发起人董事监察人或经理人三以间接投资或其他方式 |
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答 控制卫星广播电视事业之人士 财务或业务有下列情形之一者是为前项第三款所称之控制一 政府其捐助成立制裁员法人或其受托人个别间接持有卫星广播电视事业之股份与该事业一方型股份总数百分之一但政府其经货供应事业因自行或委托投信机构投资而持有之股份数不在此限二 |
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政府即捐助成立制裁员法人及其受托人皆持有卫星广播电视事业之股份合计于该事业已发行股份总数1%但政府接近或供应事业因自行或委托投信机构投资而持有其股份数不在此限三 供应事业担任卫星广播电视事业之发起人 董事 监察人或经理人政党即捐助成立制裁员法人及其受托人不得为下列行为 |
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一直接投资卫星广播电视事业二直接投资卫星广播电视事业三担任卫星广播电视事业之发起人董事监察人或经理人四以其他方式达控制卫星广播电视事业之人事财务或业务除法律另有规定为政府是拿不到捐助成立卫星广播电视事业 |
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政党党务工作人员 政务人员及学任公职人员不得投资卫星广播电视事业其辈有二亲等以内之血亲之性亲投资统一卫星广播电视事业者其持有者股份何其不得于该卫星广播电视事业已发行股份总数1%政党党务工作人员及学任公职人员不得担任卫星广播电视事业之发起者 董事监察人或经理人 |
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前二项所身政党党务工作人员、政务人员及选任公职人员之范围与本法实行性责定之违反第一项、第一款、第三项、第一款或第五项规定者其取得签股份无表决权主管经纬病毒令其限期处分借其不为处分者不得享有股东权利微信广播电视事业不得容许其行使表决权或享有股东权利 |
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違反第一項第二款第三款第三項第二款至第四款或第六項規定者主管機關得令衛星廣播電視事業限期為下列行為一解除擔任董事監察人或經理人之職務二解除政府政黨及捐助資財團法人及其受託人對衛星廣播電視事業之控制宣讀完畢報言會我們現在進行處理 |
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本條三個黨團所提的再修正動議條文均相同我們就無異議通過第五條 照三個黨團再修正動議條文通過我們現在進行保留條文第十條請宣讀民進黨黨團再修正動議 |
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台湾民众党国民党党团台湾民众党党团共同所提在修正动议第十条申请经营卫星广播电视事业有下列情形之一者主管机关依附许理由不回其申请一违反第四条或第五条规定二申请人之同是监察人或申请人 |
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为设立中公司其发起人有公司法第30条各款刑事之一或曾任卫星广播电视实验室董事监察人或经理人曾利用工作政治无关系犯罪经宣告有期徒刑上执行确定尚未执行完毕或执行完毕缓刑期满或赡免后尚未逾三年 |
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3.申请人之营运计划有违反法律强制或禁止规定之余或对国家安全、产业整体发展、公共秩序或善良风俗有明显重大不利影响4. |
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申请人之财务技术及执行能力明显不足以实现其营运计划 |
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五 申请人因违反本法规定经撤销获废止卫星广播电视事业许可未于二年境外卫星广播电视事业执行公司或代理商申请经营卫星广播电视事业有前项第三环制第五环进行之因者主管机关应付具理由不会其申请卫星广播电视事业董事监察人等负责人之资格条件及其他管理事项之办法由主管机关定之宣诺完毕 |
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請問院會本條照國民黨團台灣民眾黨團共同所提再修正動議條文通過有無異議請問本條照國民黨團台灣民眾黨團通過再修正動議條文通過有無異議沒有異議好我們第10條照國民黨黨團台灣民眾黨黨團共同所提再修正動議條文通過請宣讀第11條 |
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第十一條衛星廣播電視事業及境外衛星廣播電視事業分公司之執照有效期間為九年境外衛星廣播電視事業代理商之執照其有效期間以代理契約書所在代理權期間為準最長不得於九年宣讀完畢到審查會條文通過第十二條之一不予增訂請宣讀第十五條 |
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第15條申請書及營運計畫內容於許可後有變更時衛星廣播電視事業及境外衛星廣播電視事業之分公司或代理商應向主管機關為變更之申請但第7條第1項第3條內容有變更者不在此限前項變更內容屬設立登記事項者應與主管機關許可變更後時得辦理設立或變更登記主管機關應於3個月內完成變更設立登記事項之審查 |
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选读完毕照审查会条文通过我们现在进行处理保留条文第17条请选读 |
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國民黨黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團共同所提在修正動議第17條主管機關應就衛星廣播電視事業及境外衛星廣播電視事業之分工私貨代理商所提出之營運計劃執行報告於該事業取得執照屆滿5年時辦理評鑑 |
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衛星廣播電視事業及境外衛星廣播電視事業之分公司或代理商於辦理評鑑前三年內受裁判處分位於三次且累計罰還金額位於新台幣80萬元以上者免予評鑑第一項評鑑結果不合格者主管機關應令其限期改正衛星廣播電視事業及境外衛星廣播電視事業之分公司或代理商依第一項規定申請評鑑滿六個月後若主管機關人為就評鑑作成處分時視為評鑑合格 |
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主管機關不得另為其他處分本法修正申請前已申請評鑑者一同本條之評鑑及免予評鑑程序審查項目評分基準及其他應遵行施行政變法由主管機關定之並因每五年檢討之宣讀完畢請問院會本條照國民黨團台灣民眾黨團共同所提在修正動議條文通過有無異議 |
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沒有異議好我們第17條照國民黨團台灣民眾黨黨團共同所提在修正動議條文通過我們現在進行處理保留條文第18條請宣讀民進黨黨團在修正動議第18條維持現行條文 |
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國民黨黨團 台灣民眾黨黨團共同所提在修正動議第18條衛星廣播電視事業及境外衛星廣播電視事業之分公司或代理商於執照期間屆滿前6個月應填據申請書及換照之營運計畫向主管機關申請換照主管機關受理前向換照之申請處審查其申請書及換照之營運計畫外並應審酌下令實行依營運執行報告 |
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评鉴结果及评鉴后事改正情形二 违反本法之记录三 播送之节目及广告侵害他人权利之记录四 对于订户纷争之处理五 财务状况六 其他足以影响营运之事项主管机关对于新闻及财经新闻频道换照之申请应以准与换照为原则第一项之换照程序审查项目第二项之审查审酌标准评分基准及其他应遵行事项之办法由主管机关定之宣读完毕 |
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我們現在進行表決民進黨黨團在修正動議維持現行條文現在有民進黨黨團要求記名表決贊成民進黨黨團在修正動議條文維持現行條文請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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報議會報告表決結果出席委員108位贊成48位反對60位贊成者少數民進黨黨團再修正動議條文不通過我們現在開始進行表決國民黨團台灣民眾黨團共同所提再修正動議條文現在有民進黨團台灣民眾黨團要求記名表決贊成兩黨所提再修正動議條文請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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報告表決結果出席108位委員贊成60位反對48位贊成者多數第18條照國民黨團、台灣民眾黨團共同所提在修正動議條文通過我們現在進行保留條文第19條請宣讀 |
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民进党党团在修正动议第19条维持现行条文国民党党团台湾民众党党团共同所提在修正动议第19条主管机关进一截调第二项规定宣查任申请人失财务状况已无法正常营运或申请人有改正之必要时 |
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主管机关应先协助辅导改善具体说明待改正之审查项目内容并以书面通知申请人限期改正或补正前向限期改正或另限期补正资料期间主管机关应发给临时执照其有效期间为两年 |
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借其未完成者得申请延长一次该事业于临时执照延长期间届满未完成改正或补正者得驳回其申请申请人现行改正或补正资料期间自本条修正通过之日起算经主管机关驳回证照申请至卫星广播电视事业及境外卫星广播电视事业之分公司或带领商于行政侦诵程序终结前或主管机关令为许可换照之处分前 |
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人能依原执照继续于原频道行使权利如原频道已交由其他卫星广播电视事业及境外卫星广播电视事业之分公司或代理商使用主管经文应照其相关业者协调适当之补救措施不回换照申请之行政处分经撤销废止或因其他原因失其效力后主管经文对于申请人 |
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回复原状及频道位置之义务卫星广播电视事业及境外卫星广播电视事业执分公司或代理商以第一项规定申请换照满六个月后主管机关仍未做成决定时是为许可换照主管机关不得另为其他处分该事业得进一第十六条第一项规定申请换发执照返返修正事情前已申请换照者一同宣读完毕 |
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我們現在開始進行表決民進黨黨團在修正動議維持現行條文現在有民進黨黨團要求記名表決各位報告委員會我們開始進行記名表決贊成民進黨團維持現行條文請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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現在有民進黨團台灣民眾黨團要求記名表決我們贊成 |
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兩黨所提在修正動議條文請人贊成 反對 請人反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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包委員會報告表決結果在場為108位贊成60位反對48位贊成者多數第19條照國民黨團台灣民眾黨團共同所提在修正動議條文通過我們現在包委員會我們進入第20條第49條均維持現行條文我們現在進行保留條文第50條請宣讀 |
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民進黨黨團再修正動議第五十條國民黨黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團共同所提再修正動議第五十條有效列各款執行之意者處心內逼二十萬元上二百萬元下罰款並立即限期改正進行不改正者等案子處罰一、政府其捐助成立制裁決法人或其受託人違反第五條第一項第一款或第二款規定 |
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二 政黨其捐助成立制裁懟法人或其受託人違反第五條第三項第一款或第三款規定三 政府政黨違反第五條第四項規定四 政黨黨務工作人員 政務人員及學人公職人員違反第五條第五項規定 |
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五政党党务工作人员及选任公职人员违反第五条第六项规定政府其捐助成立制裁员法人或其受托人违反第五条第一项第三块规定经另起限制改正借其不改正者处心台币二十万元受二百万元以下罚款并再另起限制改正借其人不改正者得按次处罚 |
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政党其专注陈林轩参加法人或其受托人违反第五条第三项第二款或第四款规定经令其献其杆证借其不改证者处心乃逼二十万元上二百万元以下罚款并再令其献其杆证借其人不改证者得按次处罚政党党务工作人员政务人员其选任公职人员之配偶二薪等以内之写薪执行因侵违反第五条第五项规定者 |
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就会经过应令致使投资于百分之一以上者限期改正进行不改正者除息价比二十万元以上二百万元以下罚款并得按次处罚卫星广播电视事业或其或他类频道节目公益事业有下令进行之一者除息价比二十万元以上二百万元以下罚款并令限期改正进行不改正者得按次处罚或废止其需可并注销其执政 |
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一 容许违反第五条第一项第一款第三项第一款第五项或第六十四条第一项转用第五条第一项第一款第三项第一款第五项规定之人行使表决权或享有国有权利二 违反主管机关一第五条第九项或第六十四条第一项转用第五条第九项所谓之命令宣言完毕 |
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會議會我們進行處理本條三個黨團所提再修正動議條文均相同我們就無異議通過第五十條照三個黨團再修正動議條文通過會議會第五十八條之一不予爭定 |
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第66條之一維持現行條文報議會我們全案已經經過二讀現在國民黨團台灣民眾黨團分別提議繼續進行三讀請問院會有無異議沒有異議我們請宣讀經過二讀這條文 |
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第一條為捍衛新聞自由促進衛星廣播電視健全發展保障公眾視聽權益維護視聽多元化開拓我國傳播世界及國際空間並加強區域文化交流特制定本法第二條本法用詞定義如下 |
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一 卫星广播电视只利用卫星进行声音或视讯信号直播送以供公众收听或收视二 卫星广播电视事业只直播卫星广播电视服务事业其卫星频道节目供应事业三 直播卫星广播电视服务事业只直接向订户收取费用利用自由或他人设备提供卫星广播电视服务之事业四 卫星频道节目供应事业 |
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指自由或向衛星轉頻器經營者租賃轉頻器或頻道將節目或廣告經由衛星傳送至供公眾收視聽之播送平台之事業五 境外衛星廣播電視事業指利用衛星播送節目或廣告至中華民國管轄區域內之外國衛星廣播電視事業六 衛星轉頻器 以下整身轉頻器指設置在衛星上直通信中繼設備其功用為接受地面站 |
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发射之上列信号再变换成下列频率向地面发射其他类频道节目供应事业只利用微信以外之方式以一定频道名称之节目或广告传送至公众收视厅之播送平台之事业八 新闻及财经新闻频道只以直播新闻 财经新闻等节目为主要内容之频道 |
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九 购物频道 只专以促销商品或服务内容之广告频道十 内部控管机制 只含内部控管组织架构人员编制 品质控管作业流程及节目与广告 直播 规范等控管制度十一 节目 只依排定次序及时间由一系列影像 声音集集相关文字所组成之独立单元内容十二 广告 只为事业及广告团体或个人行销或宣传商品观念服务或形象 |
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所播送之影像 聲音及其相關文字13 贊助 指示業 機關購 團體或個人為推廣特定名稱 商標 形象 活動或產品再不影響節目編輯 製作自主或內容呈現之完整其形象而提供金錢或非金錢之給付 |
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十四 置入性行銷只為事業機關或團裡或跟人行銷或宣傳基於有成或對價關係與節目中呈現特定規定商品商標服務或前相關資訊特徵等之行為 |
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第五條政府其捐助成立之殘留法人及其受託人不得為下列行為但其他法律另有規定者不在此限一直接投資衛星廣播電視事業二擔任衛星廣播電視事業之發起人董事監察人或經理人三以間接投資或其他方式達控制衛星廣播電視事業之人士財務或業務有下列其行之一者是為前項第三款所稱之控制 |
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一政府其捐助成立制裁短法人或其受托人个别间接持有未经广播电视事业是股份与该事业已发行股份总数百分之一但政府基金或供应事业因自行或委托同性机构投资而持有之股份数不在此限二政府其捐助成立制裁短法人及其受托人 |
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1.直接投资卫星广播电视事业2.直接投资卫星广播电视事业 |
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三、擔任衛星廣播電視事業執法級人、董事監察人或經理人四、以其他方式達控制衛星廣播電視事業之人士財務或業務除法律另有規定外政府政黨不得捐助成立衛星廣播電視事業政黨黨務工作人員、政務人員及學任公職人員不得投資衛星廣播電視事業其背後二金等以內之血清之性侵 |
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投资同一卫星广播电视事业者其持有性股份和其不得于该卫星广播电视事业一方型股份总数1% |
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政黨黨務工作人員及全任公職人員不得擔任衛星廣播電視事業持發期的董事、警察人或經理人且二項所稱政黨黨務工作人員、政務人員及全任公職人員之範圍與本法實行細則定制違反第一項、第一款、第三項、第一款或第五項規定者其取得之五份無表決權主管疾患病毒令其限期處分藉其不為處分者不得享用股東權利衛星廣播電視事業不得容許 |
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其行使表決權或享有股東權利違反第一項第二款第三款第三項第二款至第四款或第六項規定者主管機關得令衛星廣播電視事業現行為下令行為一解除擔任董事監察人或經理人之職務二解除政府政黨其捐助之財團法人及訴訟人對衛星廣播電視事業之控制 |
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第十条 申请经营卫星广播电视事业有项链情形之一者主管尽管应付具理由不怀其申请一 违反第四条或第五条规定二 申请人是董事监察人或申请为设立中公司其发起人有公司法第30条各款情形形式之一或承认卫星广播电视事业是董事监察人或经理人 |
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曾利用工作之职务关系犯罪经宣告有期徒刑上执行确定尚未执行完毕或执行完毕缓刑结本或赦免后尚未逾三年三 专行人质营运计划有违反法律强制或禁止规定之余或对国家安全产业整体方针公共秩序或善良风俗有明显重大不利影响 |
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四 申请人之财务技术及执行能力明显不足以实现其营运计划五 申请人因违反本法规定经这项莫非之卫星广播电视事业许可未逾二年境外卫星广播电视事业之分公司或代理商申请经营卫星广播电视事业有前项第三款是第五款情形之一者主管机会应付具理由不合情申请卫星广播电视事业董事监察人 |
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等负责人之资格条件及其他管理事项之办法由主管机关定制第十一条卫星广播电视事业及境外卫星广播电视事业分公司之执照有效期间为9年境外卫星广播电视事业代理商之执照其有效期间以代理契约书所在代理权期间为准最长不得于9年 |
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15.申请书及营运计划内容与许可后有变更时卫星广播电视事业及境外卫星广播电视事业之分公司或带领商应向主管机关为变更之申请但第7条第1项第3款内容有变更者不再次限请向变更内容处设立登记事项者应与主管机关许可变更后使得办理设立或变更登记 |
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主管机关应于三个月内完成变更设立登记事项之审查必要时的延长三个月并以一次违宪前两项变更内容有第十条第一项第一款至第四款进行之一者主管机关应付具理由不回其申请 |
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第十七条主管机关应就卫星广播电视事业及境外卫星广播电视事业职份公司或代理商所提出之营运计划执行报告于该事业取得执照届满五年时办理凭借卫星广播电视事业及境外卫星广播电视事业职份公司或代理商于办理凭借前三年内受裁罚处分位于三次及累计罚还金额位于新台币八十万元以上者名誉凭借 |
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第一项评鉴结果不合格者主管机关应领其限期改正卫星广播电视事业及境外卫星广播电视事业这份公司或带领商以第一项规定申请评鉴满六个月后若主管机关仍未就评鉴作成处分时行为评鉴合格 |
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居管机关不得另为其他处分本法修正实行前已申请评鉴者议同本条之评鉴及免语评鉴程序选择项目评分计准及其他依遵行事项执办法由居管机关定之并每5年检讨之 |
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第十八條衛星廣播電視事業及境外衛星廣播電視事業職份公司或代理商於執照期間進門前六個月應填訊申請書及換照之餘計畫向主管機關申請換照主管機關受理前向換照室申請 |
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除审查其申请书及换照之营运计划外并因选择下令失胜1.营运执行报告评鉴结果及评鉴后之改正情形2.违反本访之纪录3.播送之节目及广告侵害他人权利之纪录4.对于订户分针之处理5.财务状况6.其他属于影响营运之事顺 |
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主管機關對於新聞及財經新聞頻道換照之申請應以準與換照為原則第一項是換照程序審查項目第二項是審酌標準評分基準及其他依遵行事項這辦法由主管機關定制 |
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第十九条 主管机关进一前条第二项规定审查任申请人之财务状况已无法正常营运或申请人有改正这必要时主管机关应先协助辅导改正具体说明待改正之审查项目内容并以书面通知申请人限期改正或不正 |
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其項限期改正或另一限期補正資料期間,除了經費依發給臨時執照,其有效期限為兩年,即其未完成者得申請延長一次,該事業與臨時執照延長期間屆滿未完成改正或補正者得不諱其申請,申請人限期改正或補正資料期間,自本條修正通過之日起算。 |
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即主管机关补回换照申请之卫星广播电视事业及境外卫星广播电视事业之分公司或代理商于行政侦诵程序终结前或主管机关令为许可换照之处分前人的因缘执照继续原频道行使权利如原频道已交由其他卫星广播电视事业及境外卫星广播电视事业之分公司或代理商使用 |
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主管機關依照其相關業準協調適當支補救措施不回換照申請執行證處分經撤銷廢止或因其他原因施行效力後主管機關對於申請人復回復原狀及平等位置之義務 |
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衛星廣播電視世界及境外衛星廣播電視世界之分公司或代理商依第一項規定申請換照滿六個月後主管機關仍未作成決定時現為許可換照主管機關不得另為其他處分該事業得盡依第16條第一項規定申請換方執照本法修正事件前已申請換照者異同 |
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第五十條 有項列各款期刑之一者處心臺逼二十萬元上二百萬元項罰款並令其涉及感染及其不感染者的案子處罰一 政府其捐助成立制裁團法人或其受託人違反第五條第一項第一款或第二款規定二 政黨其捐助成立制裁團法人或其受託人違反第五條第三項第一款或第三款規定 |
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3.政府政黨違反第五條第四項規定是政黨黨務工作人員、政務人員及選任公職人員違反第五條第五項規定5. |
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政黨黨務工作人員及選任公職人員違反第五條第六項規定 |
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政府取其捐助成立资产权法人或其受托人违反第五条第一项第三款规定,经令其现即感染,借其不改正者储息奶皮二十万元以上二百万元相反还,并再令其现即感染,借其人不改正者得按次处罚。 |
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政党其专注成立之财团法人或其受托人违反第五条第三项第二款或第四款规定,经令其限期改正,进行不改正者处信贷币二十万元以上二百万元下滑还,并在令其限期改正,进行人不改正者得案自处罚。 |
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政党党务工作人员称为人员及全任公职人员之配偶二期内以内就写进执行清违反第五条第五项规定者出改机关应令致使投资于百分之一以上者现即可证见其不改正者除息内必二十万元以上二百万元以下罚还并得按次处罚 |
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衛星、廣播、電視事業或他類頻道、節目、公益事業有項鍊請行之一者除信還比二十萬元上二百萬元下發還並令限期改正即其不改正者等案次處方或分指其需可並註銷其絕賬依容許違反第五條第一項第一款第三項第一款第五項或第六十四條第一項准用第五條第一項第一款第三項第一款第五項規定之人行事表決權或享有股東權利 |
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2.違反主管機關議第五條第九項或第六十四條第一項全用第五條第九項所為之命令宣讀完畢報院會三讀條文已經宣讀完畢請問院會有文字修正沒有文字修正 |
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現在有國民黨團依據立法院職權刑事法第11條規定提請將全案負表決我們現在進行全案表決贊成全案通過者請按贊成反對者請按反對棄權者請按棄權現在有民進黨團要求記名表決我們進行記名表決時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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報告表決結果在場出席為108位贊成60位反對0位棄權48位 |
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贊成者多數全案表決通過我們現在做以下決議衛星廣播電視法第一條第二條第五條第十條第十一條第十五條第十七條至第十九條及第五十條條文修正通過 |
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我們現在進行繼續處理黨團協商所作之附帶決議請議事人員宣讀附帶決議之內容通過附帶決議一項國家通訊傳播委員會應於六個月內廣泛徵詢閱聽大眾專家學者及廣電業者之意見並提出修法版本宣讀完畢委員會依照協商結論我們照案通過我們進入討論事項第四案 |
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討論第1項,報告院會討論事項第4案政黨集體附隨組織不當取得財產處理條例第4條及第34條條文修正草案本案經第4會期第11次會議決定自委員會抽出近乎二讀,並由國民黨黨團負責召集協商報告院會本案現已完成協商,請宣讀協商結論 |
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立法院黨團協商結論時間115年1月29日星期四下午3時30分地點紅樓302會議室協商主題 |
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政黨及其附帥組織不當取得財產處理條例第4條及第34條條文修正草案施行結論一保留條文第4條第34條二本案院會處理時廣泛討論由各黨團各推派一人發言每人發言三分鐘主條討論時均不發言保留條文依各黨團版本提出先後順序進行處理三讀後各黨團推派一人發言 |
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協商主持人韓國瑜江啟臣、協商代表羅志強、林佩翔、傅坤祺、徐宇貞、游昊、牛許廷、柯建平、鍾嘉斌、陳培宇、張啟凱、陳昭之、黃國昌宣讀完畢請問院會對以上協商結論有依、無依、本案後續依協商結論處理報告院會現在進行廣泛討論請各黨團推派之代表發言首先請游昊委員發言 |
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各位全國的好朋友關心救國團以及公益團體的好朋友那在今天也是一個重要的時刻公益不能等相信我們大家都看到了不當會 |
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夾著這個轉型正義之名行政治清算之實那大家過去在我相信許多的不管是民進黨的民意代表也曾參與救火團也曾積極的曾經認同救火團肯定救火團所以許多的民進黨委員心裡也想支持救火團但是我們看到了為什麼這些公益團體救火團 |
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卻要被走上清算抄家滅族甚至在許多的經費動用支出上需要受到限制大家的工作權益不保那所以在這裡今天國民黨與民眾黨要還救國團公道公義不能等 |
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過去救國團也是防疫的模範生救災的急尖峰大家許多在座的所有好朋友跟我們在電視機前關心救國團的好朋友懷念西安縱走懷念許多救難成長課程但是現在硬是要套上了一個政治色彩意識形態這是非常不公平的將救國團的許多的員工逼得走上街頭官逼民反 |
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那今天不當條例的修正是要還救國團公道公義不能等所以在今天除了我們許多的好朋友我們在今天還了救國團公道透過不當條例的修正我們可以讓知道公義團體的權益是可以被保障的 |
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更不能夠受到意識形態的迫害那在這裡也呼籲希望我們在座許多民進黨的委員那可以的話也要一起支持救火團因為大家在地方上也參與救火團甚至掛著救火團的職務幹部那這樣子坦白講救火團過去許多的在地方上公益協助的政治人物今天來講 |
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許多民進黨的委員其實可以還他公道還甚至可以來表達支持就算你這段時間去洗手間也沒有關係那所以說我們大家全國人民看在眼裡當我們看到為社會公益付出的許多人還受到這樣子影響我們看到今天走到如此他們的努力之下我們可以讓他們的公道再現也確保了未來公益團體可以好好的為社會做公益 |
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所以今天我們救護團的夥伴們大家一起站起來吧當還齊公道的時候也是大家也是要跟社會大眾告訴大家洗刷了不白之淵好不容易今天在立法通過三讀通過之後我們可以好好的來讓我們的公益組織救護團還齊公道 加油好 謝謝游委員 |
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下一位請張祺凱委員發言請張祺凱委員發言今天是這個會期最後一天 |
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而且談的是舊國團請大家情緒可以輕鬆一點轉型正義不應該是勝利者也不應該是執政黨的片面正義更不能淪為清算或者是鬥爭應該要尊重歷史的真相也要尊重多數民眾的情感 |
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救火團對很多台灣民眾來講就是一個甜美回憶跟公義的總和很多台灣人從小學的時候 國中到大學一直到成年很多人都參加過文藝營 戰鬥營 夏令營北橫縱走啊甚至在那邊交到一輩子志同道合的好朋友 |
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大家想起救火團是一個快樂的象徵直到現在還有人在下面叫這個時間點救火團還辦了非常多開心歡樂的活動更重要的救火團辦了很多的公益在疫情期間救火團率先站出來 |
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他把建壇青年活動中心作為防疫旅館在去年丹納斯風災的時候還有花蓮災情嚴重的時候他們跟產值超人一樣在救災啊大家回想一下你印象中的救火團是做了非常多的公益你從歷史的角度去看救火團是行政院在民國41年開始推動它隸屬在哪一個單位 |
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國防部歷史在國防部到了民國18年他轉型作為公益的民間團體到了民國78年人民團體組織法成立以後他登記為全台灣第一個社團法人現在不當黨產委員會過度的擴權 |
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把救火團列為不當黨產現在他的資產已經全部被凍結了每辦個活動包括他的活動執行業務你要做公益喔事先都要送到不當黨產委員會去審核以後才可以執行 |
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這對整個公益的推動是一個很大的傷害所以民眾黨跟國民黨今天我們提出修正案我們把曾經隸屬於國家者就是救國團以前一開始是隸屬於國防部不再實現希望以後讓救國團不要受到不當財產委員會 |
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好 謝謝謝謝詹委員下一位請范雲委員發言 |
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國民黨提案要修改不讓黨產條例的附隨組織定義新增曾經隸屬於國家者不在此縣要為救國團婦聯會開後門聽到這個消息之後才短短的兩三天就有100多個不分黨派的民間團體連署反對為什麼 |
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首先這根本就是修法干預司法除了大法官釋字793號早就認定不讓黨產回歸國家是台灣成為真正民主的重要過程祝國團自己提起的是否是黨產的訴訟已經在台北高院敗訴目前是最高行政法院審理中 |
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然而 國民黨不尊重司法用禁覆二讀的方式還不敢在委員會討論而且還讓條文回溯敢在會期的最後一天通過想要改變法院判決的結果剛剛有號宣稱救國團還有他沒講到的婦聯會是公益團體還說很多人年輕的時候參加過活動受惠於救國團 |
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每個人的青春回憶不同但是同樣的事實是救國團長期壟斷學生合法跨校活動與情治機關合作幫黨國監控校園師生剛剛講到歷史請看看救國團自己在1982年出版的本團重要文獻直接寫道中國青年反共救國團在黨內為本黨最重要清運機構 |
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舊國攤曾經是國民黨最重要的青年機構也因此因為特權身份免費取得國家土地及補助如果今天這個提案通過國家至少損失從北到南的黃金地段兩萬坪建物三千坪土地其中包含海景第一排的墾丁青年活動中心連同婦聯會國家損失超過400億 |
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沒有人在改變誰的青春回憶我們守護的是公平正義屬於國家的還給國家想做公益的權貴團體請你好好回歸做正常的公益團體我想提醒民眾黨你們的前主席柯文哲在擔任台北市長時支持不當黨產回歸國家 |
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只允許救國團經營青年活動最近8年然後我也想提醒現在不敢坐在現場的黃國昌主席今天是你擔任立委的最後一天你想起來了嗎你曾經大力支持不讓黨產回歸國家剛剛民眾黨說什麼救國團是國防部的所以不應該把財產回歸國家 |
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多麼的荒謬 多麼的可笑 多麼的沒有邏輯讓全民一起監督是誰在護國產 誰在盜廣場我們堅決要反對舊國產 舊黨產要互聯會來付權貴謝謝范雲委員的發言 |
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報院會我們現在進行逐條討論本案請宣讀院會所收各黨團版本再修正動議其餘提案內容均列入公報記錄進行處理的時候依序進行表決如果其中一案通過我們不再處理其他案現在進行保留條文第四條請宣讀 |
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国民党党团再修正统一第四条本条例用词定义如下一政党只于中华民国七十六年七月十五日前成立并依动员勘论实行人民团体法规定备案者二附随组织只独立存在而由政党实质控制其人事财务业务经营之法然团体或机构曾由政党实质控制其人事财务业务经营 |
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前分已相当对价转让而脱离政党是指控支持法人、团体或机构但成立属于国家者不在此限三、受托管理人只受前二款所称政党附随组织之委托而管理或收纳财产而管理之第三人四、不当取得财权指政党以违反政党本质或其他背于民主法治原则之方式使自己或其附随组织取得之财权宣读完毕 |
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歡迎歡迎我們開始進行表決國民黨團所提再修正動議條文現在有民進黨團要求記名表決贊成國民黨提再修正動議條文請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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謝謝各位委員謝謝我們要報告表決結果出席108位委員贊成60位反對48位贊成者多數第4條照國民黨黨團在修正統一條文通過報告委員會我們進行處理保留條文第34條請宣讀 |
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我們現在表決國民黨團在修正動議條文現在有民進黨黨團要求記名表決贊成國民黨團在修正動議條文請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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好 謝謝謝謝 報告表決結果在場出席委員108位贊成60位反對48位贊成者多數第34條照國民黨黨團在修正動議條文通過報告 全漢經過二讀現在國民黨團體繼續進行三讀全院會有異議有異議我們要繼續我們要表決 |
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我們現在進行表決針對國民黨黨團體繼續進行刪讀現在民進黨黨團要求記名表決我們開始進行記名表決時間一分鐘贊成 按贊成反對 按反對現在開始 |
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第四條本條例用詞定義如下依政黨至於中華民國七十六年七月十五日前成立並依動員勘論使其人民團體法規定被按準而附隨組織使獨立存在而由政黨實施控制其人事 |
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财务或业务经营之法人、团体或机构曾由政党实质控制其人士财务或业务经营且非以相当对价转让而脱离政党实质控制之法人、团体或机构但曾隶属于国家者不在此限三、受托管理人只受钱款所称政党附随组织之委托而管理或受让财权而管理之第三人四、不当取得财权指政党已违反政党本质 |
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或其他背于民主法治原则这方式是自己或其附随组织取得制裁者第34条本条例自公布日施行本条例修正条文素自本条例公布施行之日起适用宣读完毕 |
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報院會三組條文已經宣讀完畢請問院會有無文字修正沒有文字修正現在有國民黨團依據立法院直宣新設法第11條規定提請將全案負表決我們現在要進行全案負表決贊成全案通過者請按贊成反對者請按反對棄權者請按棄權民進黨黨團要求記名表決我們開始進行記名表決時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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我們現在做以下決議政黨及其附隨組織不當取得財產處理條例第4條及第34條條文修正通過 |
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我們現在進行完成立法後程序發言由各黨團推派代表發言每位委員發言兩分鐘首先請張其凱委員發言沈伯陽委員請準備 |
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恭喜救火團也希望救火團經過今天修法三讀之後不隸屬於任何政黨更不隸屬於不當黨產委員會再沒有黨產委員會凍結他所有的資產要他所有的活動連他要去做公益受到影響這些 |
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限制解除之後可以為台灣的民眾辦更多歡笑快樂歡樂的這個活動可以有更多更多的公益的這個活動民進黨的立委剛剛還是有意見我要提醒一個沒法否認的事實當 |
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救國團轉型為公益的民間團體之後他的很多他的資產跟財源是來自於他辦活動甚至是民間人士的捐款你現在全部把這一錢收歸為不當黨產這樣合理嗎 |
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更重要的你把他化為不當黨產之後對於他推動公益照顧很多的弱勢者這對台灣真的是好的嗎我們不希望已經變成一個公益團體的救火團已經受到大家肯定的救火團包括很多民進黨立委都去參加活動擔任重要幹部的救火團 |
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可以有更大的這個動能多幫我們社會創造一些公益嗎所以透過今天的這個討論不只是三讀齊凱剛也明確的講了我們把歷史還原民國41年是由行政院籌組救國團那時候就是隸屬於國防部他是依法成立的準行政機關不是任何單位的附屬組織 |
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謝謝好 謝謝張祺凱委員的發言 謝謝接下來我們請沈伯陽委員發言游浩委員請準備 |
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這個2018年齁那時候這個楊偉忠委員齁因為意外所以離開了這個不當黨產委員會了齁我就是接任他那是我的第一份跟政治有關的工作當時國民黨的良心國民黨很多人也認為黨產問題要處理所以他本來是一個社會共識剛剛我聽到張祺凱委員尤華委員一直在講什麼公益 |
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大家知道什麼叫公益嗎請問救國團以前的工作是什麼41年根本也不是行政院41年是國民黨的中央改造委員會所成立的它是隸屬於黨耶而當時他們做的是什麼做的是校園監控啊做的是異議分子的監控啊我那給大家聽啊寧靜小組啦 春風計畫啦校園安定工作彙報啦青年思想教育啊目的是什麼 |
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國民黨的文件寫得很清楚啊要防止陰謀分子爭取拉攏然後多帶動學生社團減少不正當的政治活動減少不當的言論防範學生集結勢力反對國民黨這叫公義喔再來做公義就算就算這個叫做公義好了做公義辦活動要搶地吧 |
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結果救國團怎麼做跟教育部邀一個場地然後那個地就變成救國團的改了名字就變救國團的請問我們現在允許任何一個社團來立法院辦一個活動然後就取得立法委員的地嗎就取得了立法院的財產嗎不可能啊 |
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這就是不當黨產啊這不就侵占國家的財產嗎那請問侵占國家的財產應不應該拿回來法院也判啦 也拿回來啦現在這個提案就是他們要把本來的民脂民膏全部拿到國民黨的口袋裡就只是為了你們接下來的選舉而已這個人民怎麼可能可以接受 謝謝好 謝謝沈博洋委員的發言接下來我們請游浩委員請發言 |
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不幸真理換不回,不容公義淨成灰在今天大家是一起關注、矚目就果然這次終於得到公道公義團體得到公道那其實許多的公義人可以繼續大步向前走 |
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剛才聽到辦活動就可以占領一個地那讓我想到了太陽花學運 |
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但是許多的民進黨委員過去在學生時代還積極地參與救護團的活動如果說今天射入校園我相信民進黨的手伸得更進去 |
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所以在這裡我們要很肯定國民黨在座的每位立委還有民進黨的立委黃國昌總召還有民眾黨的立委共同國民黨和民眾黨支持讓救護團還其正義還其感到那我們看到了 |
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大家可以好好的繼續做公益的時候未來都能夠得到保障所以在這裡我們希望能夠繼續的來做努力來讓這個條例通過之後還來看清楚到底誰在支持公益團體時間暫停拜託各位委員同仁尊重發言委員權益好嗎 |
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時間暫停好 謝謝時間暫停沒關係 時間暫停 |
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我們現在沒辦法發言,時間暫停各位委員同仁再一次拜託大家拜託各位委員同仁,尊重發言人權益好嗎 |
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沒有時間暫停我會通知你好謝謝再一次拜託大家尊重發言委員的權益好嗎好拜託不要對王宏偉委員動手動腳不要對王宏偉委員動手動腳 |
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不要攻擊國民黨委員我們都回座位好嗎不要推黃宏偉委員吳思宏你不要推黃宏偉委員謝謝 |
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好 謝謝 拜託各位委員請回座好嗎我們先讓發言委員發言完畢好嗎 拜託各位委員請回座拜託你為什麼要罵老黃威委員 |
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把握嗓門大我可能沒意見啦好 謝謝好 再一次拜託大家好 大家請回座我們發言委員還有1分24秒 |
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拜託尊重發言委員權益再次拜託大家請回座謝謝謝謝謝謝賴會員委員請回座陳玉珍委員請回座謝謝大家謝謝還有1分24秒好我們時間繼續好謝謝院長 |
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不信公理換不回不容正義盡成灰我們看到了公益團體要奪回公道要讓自己能夠重返正義的時候那在這裡我們看到了許多少數的民進黨委員的動作但是他們不尊重議事發言畢竟少數立委而這些委員 |
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過去曾經也參加過救國團的活動尤其在青年的時候那我相信現在的救國團它的許多團委會有國民黨有民進黨也有民眾黨 |
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大家不分顏色的做公益而在今天我們更是看到了意識形態來針對公益團體的一個狀況所以在今天這個條例的通過不管是我們救國團的夥伴們還有全國關心公益的夥伴們大家可以更有堅定的信心當這條不當條例修正通過之後 |
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大家可以繼續快樂的做公益繼續做一個健康的公益人所以在這裡國民黨的委員民眾黨的委員我們黨團三團跟總召繼續一起為救火團跟公益團體加油好謝謝謝謝遊浩委員的發言 |
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一道黨團共事請各黨團幹部現在立即移下到議場後方主席休息室我們要進行後續討論事項溝通另外本次會議沒有委員提出臨時提案我們不進行臨時提案之處理我們現在休息 |
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報告院會我們繼續開會現在有黨團共識如下一本次院會延長會議開會時間二後續討論事項立法院組織法修正案要事法修正案要害救濟法修正案均依議事規定處理三處理完畢之後我們即散會報告院會本次院會後續就以黨團共識進行 |
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我們現在依照黨談共識進行討論事項第五案立法院組織法第32條、第33條及第35條條文修正草案紐許廷委員等提案經第四會期、第15次會議決定請複二讀並由國民黨團負責召集寫商報言會 |
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本案因協商已經超過一個月沒有辦法依照黨團共事由院會定期處理因此於本次會議我們提出討論現在進行廣泛討論以登記順序發言並截止發言登記首先我們請沈伯陽委員發言每位委員發言時間三分鐘沈伯陽委員請發言 |
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各位同仁關於這一次助理費的修法大家要去看這整個歷史的脈絡 |
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大家應該還記得這個高雄安案利用人頭的助理然後到時候再請助理費把它繳回到自己的口袋這個在我們的法律上就叫做侵占就叫做詐領助理費為什麼 因為你根本沒有這個助理的事實結果呢 卻用這樣的方式詐領國家所補助的助理的費用 |
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那高雄灣的案件呢當時進行到一半的時候結果法院去函給立法院問立法院說請問這一個助理費的性質到底是什麼這個助理費到底是國家的還是立法委員的後來呢我們的立法院的回覆說這個是立法委員的那法院就說那既然按照立法院都自己講說這個是立法委員的錢那立法委員怎麼會自己侵占自己的錢自己騙自己的錢呢 |
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所以到最後呢在這一個案子的這一個部分就變成無罪這是立法院目前給法院的見解而這完全違背了一直以來最高法院的見解所以呢在這個狀況之下呢 |
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國民黨提出了修法提出了兩個不同的版本但這兩個版本殊途同歸他們的目的都只有一個不管他上面定的再怎麼華麗他的定性就只有一個就是他要把助理的費用定性成是立法委員的費用 |
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那這樣立法委員再怎麼去侵占自己助理的費用再怎麼去侵吞叫他繳回這個人頭助理都不會有犯罪的認定啊這個就是這個法案最主要的陽謀那我必須要說呢我們在協商的過程呢國民黨不斷的說這個就是為了助理好啊讓他們有更多的家籍啊 |
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就算我們用最好心的狀態去判斷國民黨委員的內心其實要解決這個爭議非常簡單直接一個修正動議直接就寫在法條上面說即使現在法條修成這個樣子但如果你今天是虛報人頭你今天如果是叫助理繳回 |
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如果你今天有這些狀況仍舊回歸貪污治罪條例處理仍舊回歸刑法公務員登載不實公務員登載不實罪處理如果能夠把這個定在那邊那簡單啊那因為就表示你已經表達這個立場這根本就不是為了助理費的除罪化這樣不就解決了嗎 |
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但是從協商開始一直到現在我提出這樣的意見沒有得到任何的回應沒有人敢把侵占助理費事犯罪寫在法條上面連這件事情都不敢那很明顯這個法條這一個修法是為了什麼我認為是昭然若揭謝謝謝謝沈伯陽委員的發言接下來我們請莊瑞雄委員發言莊瑞雄委員發言 |
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莊瑞雄委員發言不在場我們請張雅玲委員發言 |
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我想從這一路以來我們都非常清楚可以看見國民黨不僅是從黨產裡面要搶400億回到自己的口袋裡從國家搶400億回到自己的口袋裡那現在這一路搶錢還要搶到他們身邊的助理費 |
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我們立法院的助理我們所有政治人物的助理他們都是辛辛苦苦在幫我們查詢法案在幫我們做許多的選民服務可是他們的所作所為在他們的老闆眼中在國民黨的眼中在民眾的眼中都只是免洗筷用完就丟所以即便是國民黨的助理也好或者是民眾黨的助理也好大家站出來 |
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抗議他們依然不為所動那甚至我們想最近大家也可以看到民眾黨接連的一些案例從高鴻安到劉淑冰甚至不讓他的助理來簽這一個連署的抗議 |
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而這次的修法呢不管是陳昱珍也好 劉許廷也好都只是接棒把這個法案寫得好像是更華麗讓他好像是讓我們的助理呢可以得到更好的照顧可是事實上完全不是因為在我們的現行的立法院的組織法上面呢明確寫著這筆錢呢 |
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是要由立法院支應給公費助理的薪資而不是給立法委員的補助我們是這樣子寫的但是他們現在的修法呢這已經是把它寫到就是說這是一個補助費補助 那補助代表什麼意思補助就代表是說立法委員可以決定他到底要不要給他的助理 |
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這個法案的修法其實是讓所有的薪資過去是由立法院支付然後來保障這次助理的薪資的部分呢全部回到國民黨自己的委員手上來決定所以他到底要給他多少完全不知道完全是看老闆今天心情好不好我想這也是完全的違反所謂的勞權 |
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因為一直以來我們都非常的強調所謂的勞權的概念但是我想還有幾點就是說它在這個裡面雖然薪資上面寫得很漂亮我簡單唸給大家聽就是每一個立法委員每年的稅費5倍之公費助理工資集一 |
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勞動法令的規定應由雇主負擔之相關費用但是我想許多人的見解不管是我們的民進黨的委員或是在民進黨的見解都說這是看得到領不到的一個條文所以我希望今天所有的人民還有我們所有的助理都要出來抗議這一個法案 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝張雅琳委員的發言報告委員會 我們可能會要用餐現在訂便當來不及所以我們就訂麥當勞跟披薩好不好好 我們就等一下晚上我們就吃漢堡跟披薩好 我們現在請總務部門立刻開始去訂我們接下來請吳思瑤委員請發言 |
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謝謝院長永遠關心我們下一餐吃什麼但是我相信在場有良知的立法委員你訂再豐盛的料理我們都吃不下 |
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因為今天在過年前研會的最後一天院會立法院再一次通過三大惡法而這三大惡法相較於2024年12月20號的限訴法選罷法跟裁劃法今天的三大惡法有過之而無不及 |
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今天通過了中天萬年的特權條款就是圖利國民黨友好的媒體 |
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今天通過了黨產復辟的條款就是讓國民黨能夠拿400億的國產變黨產肥自己的黨而現在要通過的第三大惡法就是讓助理費除罪化 |
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我相信在場沒有幾位委員可以理解立法院組織法32 33 35條他具體所規範的內容未來透過牛許廷委員這一個進覆二讀跳過委員會專業討論的條款到底立法委員 |
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每一年我們會因此包山包海從國庫圖利自己拿到五百萬六百萬還是七百萬的所謂補助費用到底現場哪一個人算得出來 |
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牛許廷的條款是包山包海的腐爛的將立法院對於助理的各類補助費用都適同於對立委個人的補助美其名的要給助理專業加擠資深加擠甚至連文康健檢費連在職進修撫慰金全部都變成立法院 |
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給予立委個人的補助費用包山包海不一而足這個條文通過之後我要問問在場的韓國瑜院長周萬來秘書長你們誰可以算出來未來一年進入每一個立委的所謂補助費用是600萬是700萬是750萬誰算得出來 |
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如此粗糙不義而絕自肥圖利自家的立委更要為自己涉及太汙的立委來脫罪粗糙無比再一次的突襲修法韓院長訂最好的料理沒有人吞了下好 謝謝吳思瑤委員的發言接下來我們請吳秉瑞委員發言 郭育晴委員請準備 |
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主席各位同仁今天我在這個地方要提出一個很嚴肅的問題如果今天這些補助款都算是不是原來進入助理的這個戶頭這樣的程序而算到是我們每一個委員的補助款 |
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那請問我們這個實質收入如果當作是薪資那就是要課稅那我請問經由我們的戶頭我們再撥給助理那我們的所得是算多少剛剛吳士耀委員講說要算不清楚這個造成一個危險喔就是我們每個月的收入從現在的薪資十幾萬將近二十萬有可能一下跳升到七十幾萬 |
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這個所得稅繳下來不得了到時候要撥給助理的助理仍然要給他如果是有認真在做的立委但是問題是因為進到我們戶頭的總共就是這些錢就是一個月七十幾萬那我們就要用七十幾萬課所得稅因為薪資所得不可能不課稅 |
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那在這樣的狀況之下我們的所得稅幾乎每一個人都會變成40%的計算額度所以我在這個地方很嚴肅的講說這個東西要釐清我舉個例子我們的補助費比如說我們的服務處的補助一個月的租金兩萬塊那個是要拿我們的房租的契約讓立法院直接把那個錢撥給房東 |
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不是經過我們立法委員之後再付給房東欸凡是進入我們的戶頭我們講不清楚的全部都是我們的薪資欸那這樣的情況之下當然助理他領到多少薪水他也是要繳稅變成兩個人課稅我要先課一遍然後給助理的助理再課一遍這所得稅算下來喔如果照目前算法最寬廣來講每一個人幾乎都要繳到40%的所得稅 |
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那不得了這樣我們要一個月我們領的薪水拿光拿來繳所得稅可能都不夠所以我在這個地方很嚴正的提出我的要求如果你這個東西硬要通過的話我助理的費用我不要進入我個人的戶頭你們要怎麼處理你們處理你們要怎麼要照這個法律你們去處理但是不可以進我的戶頭 |
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我繼續領這個了解因為這個進到我的屋頭之後這個捨得稅就不得了造成這個將來這個稅捐上面的這個爭執啊會搞不清楚狀況 |
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所以我在這個地方再一次的講這一個問題一定要釐清因為這涉及到我們每一個人的權益問題如果今天是確實因為我賺到的錢我繳稅不要緊但是我的助理費用經過我木頭撥給助理造成我變成要繳所得稅的話因為你算不清楚你沒有講清楚哪一部分是助理的哪一部分是立委的那變成我事實上沒有賺這個錢就要繳這個稅 |
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好 謝謝吳秉瑞委員發言 謝謝接下來我們請郭玉清委員發言 吳麗華委員請準備 |
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主席各位同仁很遺憾在這個會期的最後一天我們看到了藍白是怎麼樣在運用他們的暴力多數通過一些真正的自肥的一些法案那就在這個時候國民黨的立委 |
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領頭找了28個同黨的立委簽了聯署要推動所謂的助理費除罪化他們要做什麼呢我在這邊用最簡單的方式簡單說就是他們要把原來只能拿來請助理的錢 |
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改成民代自己可以統籌來運用而且記得不用減負核銷不用任何收據白話一點講就是我要把原來發給助理的錢直接變成民意代表自己可以拿自己決定怎麼用他們是要用這樣子的一個方式放進自己的口袋當中 |
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所以以後呢 就算這些立委啊 他沒有要請助理但是呢 助理的薪水 助理的加班費 助理的勞健保都可以名副其實 名正言順的放進這些國民黨的自己名袋的口袋中 |
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那麼根據明年立法院跟各地議會的一個預算全國差不多有400億的公帑這些潛在的損失那麼將會變成第一 不用查第二 查不到嘛再來 你也追撥回來的錢這等於就是幫國民黨所有的這些民意代表準備了一個最合法而且是最隱私的小金庫 |
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更誇張的是這樣子的一個修法不僅僅是對人民不公平對所有的助理更是傷害記得嗎去年年底12月12號的時候所有的包含國民黨自己的委員的助理他們群起都在抗議 |
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大家都站出來了因為每個人都很清楚一旦這筆錢變成民道自由可以取用的錢助理的工作會沒有保障他們的薪資沒有辦法穩定所以我要說得很清楚反貪污不是把錢拿回去給自己管制度的改革也不是要拿掉監督 |
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這些都是人民的公帑這些都是大家的人民的錢不是民意代表的私房錢這一條線不能退我最後總結啦幫他們總結一句啦錢沒有變不見只是變成國民黨這些立法委員要自肥最喜歡的樣子可恥啦 |
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好 謝謝各位請委員的發言接下來我們請吳麗華委員發言林月琴委員請準備 |
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大家好這幾天助理們熱烈討論有助理跟我說這是要幫某些因為助理費涉貪的政治人物解套嗎也有助理跟我說看起來福利跟家計好像不錯但法條的意思是不是有法源依據但老闆一樣可以不給 |
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還有助理跟我提對立法委員而言委員你真的會比較喜歡這個修法嗎我笑了一笑魔鬼藏在細節中法條裡面提到能夠補助給助理們專業家級資深家級在職進修等等我站在希望公費助理朝向穩定長期專業任用的立場乍看之下也覺得不錯 |
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但仔細看條文就會發現無論是陳玉珍引起軒然大波的版本或修改後的牛許廷版本都是將助理費在法律裡面定調為給立委的補助款這會有什麼問題原先 |
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公費國費助理的投保單位是立法院所以雖然國會助理不是公務員但至少薪資的流向透明可以受到檢視如果有立委用人頭詐領助理費還能夠用貪污罪來治理限制立委必須把這筆錢用在公費助理上但是修法之後這些薪資都變成一整包給立委的補助款公費助理的投保單位變成立委本人 |
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立委要怎麼用要給予哪些人福利變成了立委的自由新政法條洋洋灑灑的這些助理福利立委一樣可以不遵守一樣都可以不給牛許廷一直說助理新自由立法院直接撥款給助理本人所以並不會有問題但他其實沒有說出口的是如果這筆被認定為補助立委的經費沒有全數發出剩下的錢到底算誰的 |
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是不是變相鼓勵立委準決助理薪資好讓他們省下補助款將每個月沒有發完的助理費補助變成是中保私囊有了補助款就應該有核銷機制請問在這次修法核銷機制是什麼根本沒有請領依據是誰說了算更嚴重的是立委將這些補助金額中保私囊也沒有辦法再依貪污罪來法辦 |
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看起來我們好像把立法院助理的待遇福利法治化但實際上還是沒有脫離N幾制也就是說助理能不能領多少終究是看立委老闆覺得你夠不夠格我想說在這個充斥帶頭文法的立法院這些人會怎麼運用這批補助款將王全上司監督機制 |
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之後變成辦公室各憑本事我也變成了一個人的協會我不明白這樣的修法到底是為了誰但是我知道我想用陳玉珍說的一句話請丟掉那支要飯的碗這個我不要好謝謝吳麗華委員的發言接下來我們請林岳勤委員發言李昆城委員請準備 |
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本會期拉到最長期限但總預算還卡在程序今天整天的表決證實藍白兩黨研會不是為了審案是為了找後路立法委員工作就是要好好的提案好好的審案但國中兩黨把會期拉長卻拿來替政黨勢力跟特定團體的利益來修法開脫甚至替強佔國家的財產找出口 |
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現在據高度爭議甚至被質疑助理廢除罪化效果的立法院組織法我昨天就一再強調不能只在黨團協商由少數人來處理牽涉到納稅人錢的法案國民黨說他們版本是最完整的版本那既然是最完整版本為什麼不能在委員會好好討論好好審查 |
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偏要進付二讀便宜形式越黑箱越像躲再躲答案我也講白了現在的版本只是陳玉珍版本換了包裝而已 |
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國民黨你們想要的就是助理費除罪化我剛剛已經提到這就是在為助理費開脫為何首先國民黨的版本將所有的公費助理的相關薪資費用餘率定性為立法委員的補助費用 |
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白話文就是說這些錢立法委員自行運用的錢他們愛怎麼用就怎麼用想拿去洗頭就洗頭想拿去買衣服就買衣服現行法制就已經對立法委員助理費的運用監督不足的情況下要如何確保我們的助理的權益那在我的版本當中我有提出應該建立助理名冊且對三等親配偶等資訊都應該要揭露也增加會期津貼子女教育補助 |
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我們的結婚補助等等除了增加我們的助理的福利待遇以外更進一步的為了防範立法委員利用人頭來貪污的司法法制的一個制度上那我就覺得奇怪了那國民兩黨 |
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國中兩黨提出來的版本給予助理的福利待遇我認同我也是參考歐美日韓的助理費的制度但我研究了一輪之後發現這些國家不管是不是統籌運用助理費都有明確的監督跟聘用的制度不讓助理費成為貪污的來源之一唯獨我們的組織法當中沒有提結果你們只操統籌運用其他的不參考 |
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只願意把立法委員的權力放大卻沒有任何的監督機制怎麼看都是自肥無限擴權無限自肥助理待遇應該要法治化不為助理費解套我覺得這是我們的兩黨應該要謹慎以上謝謝林月琴委員的發言接下來我們請李坤澄委員發言林楚瑩委員請準備 |
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來 謝謝主席今天是這個會期的最後一天那但是呢除了住宅法之外沒有通過任何的這個扶國立民的一些法案 |
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我看了這一個剛開始通過這個黨產復辟的條案然後呢要通過這個中天復台的這一個條案然後現在呢又要審查這個助理費要把它除罪化的一個法案那我是覺得說在這個會期的最後一天其實真的要留給我們的民眾一個好的印象不要讓民眾認為說這個立法委員在自肥自己 |
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我現在手上呢只有一個劉許廷的法案但我也不確定說這是不是一個最後的一個法案那搞不好等一下要表決的時候桌上又突然出現了修正動議再修正動議會修正怎麼樣我們也不知道不過這也是立法院的一個日常了每次要到投票之前我們才知道等一下我們要投票的到底是什麼樣的一個法案我看了一下劉許廷的這個法案 |
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最大問題就是在於說他把這個助理的費用變成立委的補助費用那剛剛我們很多同仁講過啦那這個 |
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你要來增加我們助理的福利跟他的待遇我覺得都沒有什麼問題但是就在現有的現行條文下面做修改就好了但是一個最大的一個區別牛許廷跟一個現行的條文最大的區別就是在於說他把這一個助理費用變成立法委員的補助費用好啦 立法委員的補助費用那請問怎麼用 怎麼核銷 怎麼規範用不完的怎麼辦 |
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是不是就跑到了立法委員的口袋裡面是不是就變成這樣子 那你說要助理費跑到這個立法委員自己的口袋裡面那不是就犯法嗎 貪污自罪條例啊很多國民黨立委就這樣被抓啦如果按照劉許廷的版本 不會因為這個是立委自己的補助費用如果是自己的錢 怎麼算是貪污呢那所以呢 |
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這個版本完全沒有交代這筆錢除了給助理 啊他列了很多好像說對助理很好這個助理這個資深的也有加擠專業的也有加擠再次進修的費用什麼等等這些都有出但是呢如果沒有用咧這筆錢到底最後是跑去哪裡咧回到國庫嗎 |
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沒有我看到這個版本裡面沒有所以我們剛剛也有我們同仁提到了那如果這筆錢未來成為我們立委的個人的薪資的話那以後我們所要繳的所得稅可能會比現在多很多那不管怎麼樣我們期待能夠給助理更好的待遇跟條件我們都支持但是我們堅決反對把助理費除罪化 |
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好 謝謝李昆城委員發言接下來我們請林柱英委員發言李博義委員請準備 |
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各位立法院的同仁我想今天我們可以站在這裡我們背後有一群非常優秀的助理協助我們就是不論是民進黨國民黨或者是民眾黨我現在的發言想要代表我辦公室的主任來念以下這些文章因為對他們來說現在修的法令對他們的影響非常的大 |
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其實這一次立法院的組織法修正案提到的是要提升基層的待遇增加專業加級 |
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他們心裡其實很期待的是我們都知道國會助理的薪資結構長年僵化如果修法的初衷是為了改善我們的勞動條件我相信沒有任何一個政黨或一個黨團或是任何一個助理會反對但是依照牛許廷的版本我們希望他是利益良善本席也相信朝野立委都願意支持提升助理的待遇然而牛許廷的條文當中 |
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用補助費的字眼替代了原本法條內容立法院因每年編列每一位立委一定數額之助理費及其辦公事務預算這樣的寫法其實突生了法律上對於助理費的定性的爭議 |
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當立法院的法治局的內參研究報告都可以拿來作為解釋依據更遑論今天的法案落筆的條款根本就直接把它定性為立委自己的小金庫如果真的是要提升助理的待遇為出發點 |
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我想不會有助理去爭執這些文字而是這個文字直接的就讓立委可以擁有這一筆錢魔鬼藏在細節裡當我們攤開國民黨牛許廷的版本後我們看到的是一個極度危險甚至於可以說是掛羊頭賣狗肉的條款那就是將公費助理的薪資獎金等八項費用定性為就是給立委的補助 |
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大家可能會問 發錢有差嗎 有差 差異非常大最高法院長期以來的穩定見解助理費就是國家編列給立委 聘用助理的專款這一筆錢不是立委的薪水 更不是立委的私房錢如果你將這筆錢挪作他用 就是貪污 就是詐領 |
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然而藍白陣營這次的修法企圖透過立法院貸給己付以及將費用轉為立委薪資的一部分徹底顛覆了這個法律邏輯一旦這個法案通過這筆錢的法律屬性變得模糊就真的變成立委的實際補助所以 |
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| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
本人在這裡代表本辦公室的立委以及所有立法院辦公室的助理以及代表所有的同仁助理們請你們高抬貴手謝謝林祖英委員的發言接下來我們請李博義委員發言李博義委員請發言徐富奎委員請準備 |
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謝謝 今天是1月30號這個會期的最後一天那在去年度的這個會期 研會的時候這個時間可能到更晚的時間我們正在做表決大賽 挑燈夜戰為了去年度的預算 正在努力國民黨跟民眾黨在去年的這個時候上演的是比賽刪除預算 比賽凍結預算 |
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| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
那今天國民黨跟民眾黨他在給台灣民眾上演的是什麼第一個他們要表決通過衛星廣播電視法他們會為中天電視台開後門第二個 |
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他們剛剛修正不當黨產條例自己講說不當條例我也認為是不當條例把救國團他在做的公益講成我在做公益我就可以侵占這個建物我在做公益我在辦活動有人參加過這個活動我就可以合法佔有這個國家的土地國家的建物這樣子包裝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
那現在在修什麼現在其實是為了幫某些委員來託罪託什麼罪託助理費不當使用的罪好現行條文是什麼現行條文的助理費是由立法院編列預算編列預算代表這是國家的他要改成什麼他要改成補助立委的費用也就是說助理們不要被騙了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
寫得再好聽你有再多的家籍你有可能都領不到為什麼因為這會變成是補助性質看你老闆要不要領我們背後一大群優秀的助理們這幾年來都直接收到立法院的薪資是國家的預算走路有方 |
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從今天這個修法如果通過以後叫做補助立委就是看你老闆看你的委員他要不要給你這個補助你說你碩士畢業博士畢業說你經過律師高考等等檢察官高考等等對不起 |
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這是補助給立委的你不一定領得到所以這個就是今年度國民黨跟民眾黨要送給台灣的禮物你透過除罪話你要跟全台灣人民講你跟你的不當黨產一樣你說救國團在辦活動辦得這麼好但是他竊佔國土你不講法院判決的你不講你要透過修法來把他合法化對不起 |
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民眾黨最對不起台灣人民眾黨最對不起過去他自己的主張他也跟著國民黨幹了一樣的事謝謝李博義委員的發言接下來我們請徐富奎委員發言范雲委員請準備主席各位同仁 |
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我想我們今天現在是這個會期最後一天的會議那很遺憾這過去這兩年以來 |
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我想我們看到國民黨跟民眾黨一直在做這樣子違憲亂紀的一個法令的處理那我想我們這個地方的背景很混淆尤其當我們現在今天又必須要研會的時候我想我們所有的助理群各辦公室不管是國民黨民進黨民眾黨的助理群我想現在在看著螢幕看看我們這些他們口中的老闆 |
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到底是在幫他們爭取福利還是在陷他們於不義所以根據這個牛許廷委員提出這個版本 |
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寫得很好聽基於這個立法委員要行使這個職權立委的公費助理是一個很重要的一個基石所以為了提高招募的一個誘因必須鼓勵這個公費助理要持續進修深造或是取得國家證照那能夠增加這樣子未來對於立法委員 |
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問政的一個貢獻那我請問各位立委同仁我們這兩年開好開滿我們的這個所有的工會助理有時間去上課去進修嗎有時間真的好好靜下來思考我們地方的這個鄉親的建設的狀況嗎那尤其我要特別強調的是 |
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我們像我們區議員來講我們有國會辦公室我們有地方的服務處我們的助理同仁在台北負責的工作是法案的一些處理研究還有針對一些議題的一個討論但是我們地方的助理我們必須要跑行程針對服務案件的處理工作性質不一樣我們的這個時間工作也不一樣那這樣不一樣的基礎上面針對未來以後這樣的一個公費的補助的 |
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而補助款的一個發放包含未來有所謂的一個專業佳績資深佳績甚至一些年終獎金在職進修結婚補助生育補助這些理理口口這麼多不一樣的項目到底要用什麼樣的一個基準點讓大家覺得公不公平 |
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我的同仁非常的認真我也很喜歡他們跟他一起工作為了地方打拚但是我很擔心今天這樣的一個惡法修了之後我跟我的同事的互信基礎沒有啦 |
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他會覺得說老闆你應該要給我多少錢但是你怎麼給我這麼少這時候我們怎麼去論述怎麼去講我認為未來相互猜忌是會發生非常嚴重的一個問題那這個問題真的我們必須要修這樣的一個惡法嗎造成我們老闆立委跟我們助理同仁之間的這樣的一個不信任感嗎我想真的要三思守慮了那甚至未來剛剛我們幾位委員講的未來我們要面對 |
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可能是高額的一個這個我們的一個薪資的結構我們到時候這些相關的費用怎麼 |
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剛剛劉許廷立委好像很不滿意覺得民進黨的委員沒有認真讀他的法條說實在的我真的沒有想到國民黨跟民眾黨就這麼的可恥把一個完全沒有在立法院的委員會認真討論的版本今天就要拿出來表決就在我們這個會期的最後一天如果這麼清白為什麼急著要表決 |
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如果有这么多这么好的权益为什么不能够在委员会好好认真的讨论我看了这个法条如果我没有读错的话有两个核心的问题第一个他把内容模糊化 |
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過去立法院編制是從預算支應給立委助理的薪水他把它修成改成地位形同辦公室費用的立委補助費用可能很多立法院外的人聽不懂這叫什麼意思我們當過立委跟立委助理的都知道 |
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地位形同辦公室費用的就是助理買了多少文具直接從立委的薪水扣掉剩下沒有用到的就是立委的薪水他把助理費過去從有明確用途限制的公費變成和文具地位相等讓立委有政治裁量權的灰色地帶他等於是把重要的人事費跟補貼彈性運用的辦公室費用在法律上 |
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放在同一條線上很糟糕的是還拖大家下水這是第一個核心問題第二個核心問題我想我們幾位懂法律的都已經在協商會所講過我看到的是把司法責任變成政治特權過去為什麼會有助理費案是因為有可核對 可舉證 可審查的公款未來如果再有任何的案子 |
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他只要說他不是貪污 就是解釋不同就沒事了所以這根本就是把一個司法責任變成是政治特權你說 我在幫助理增加他的福利如果真的要處理助理的權益跟結構問題的話為什麼不是提高助理薪資的透明度為什麼沒有建立助理勞動權益的法制化 |
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劉許廷的助理費修法不是反貪腐他是把貪腐合法化行政化集體化我想陳玉珍是真小人我要大聲告訴桃園的選民劉許廷就是個偽君子羅列一堆助理看得到其實很難吃不到的福利因為未來的立委可以合法不要聘用這麼多的助理 |
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我想這是藍白集體墮落的開始這個案子如果通過不只是助理勞權的悲歌也是國會問政品質的再度懸崖式下降的開始藍白墮落不要拖我們大家下水好謝謝范議員的發言接下來我們請蔡議員發言陳廷飛委員請準備 |
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主席各位同仁現在是1月30號也就是在這一個法定的會期在延會延到最後一刻2月1號是另外一個會期的開始那在這一個預算的會期內我們沒有審到任何預算總預算連副委連進入討論都沒辦法討論更何況討論到了現在最後的一刻已經過了6點 |
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已經用研會在延長時間的時間結果我們現在在處理這一案叫做立法院組織法也就是在處理助理費這件事情那助理費我想我們任何一個民意代表我們心理事實上都很知道國家給我們民意代表不管是立委不管是議員給我們有辦法去聘請助理這件事 |
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那給助理的錢不可能會是立委或是議員薪資的一部分如果給他的就是薪資的一部分呢那就會進入剛剛所想的那等於這個民意代表這個立委的薪資忽然間超級膨脹膨脹的是不是要繳稅 |
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甚至再講個更極端的我們也知道說如果有債務還會被扣薪三分之一那未來如果按照劉許廷的這個版本他說立法院編列公務預算編列給立法委員補助費用立法委員補助費用這個補助費用的定義是什麼 |
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如果解釋起來他真的是立委的薪資的一部分那如果有債務要被扣薪三分之一結果立委我們本來的薪資然後加上助理的一個薪資加起來扣薪三分之一敲詭就要沒有發錢給助理這樣這跟法律這個變得很好笑很極端的然後這麼極端的狀況我們現在在這一個法定會期在延長時間敲詭六點的時間快要處理這案 |
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說白的就是為了整個法律的解釋讓他盡量模糊化這個模糊化的結果有利於將來因為助理費涉案的人他可以脫罪事實上就是為了這樣的一個目的我們嚴格去看 |
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牛許廷的這個版本他把它包裝說我要擴大很多對於助理的一個福利意思是說你如果讓他做得越好那就應該讓他越多錢包裝了這樣的一個結果事實上 |
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錯的關鍵就是第2款他32條第2款跟第3款第4款把他模糊的一個結果就是我剛剛講的立法院每年以公務預算編列下列立法委員補助費用這個補助費用公美情策第4款第2項第2款至第8款的補助費用由立法 |
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35438.609 |
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好 謝謝蔡議員發言 謝謝我們接下來請陳廷飛委員發言王世堅委員請準備 |
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在立法院這個會期的最後一天居然我們在討論這個集爭議的案子國民黨把它包裝說我們是要幫我們的立委助理來爭取我們的薪水還有福利我相信沒有人會反對可是真的是如此嗎 |
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國民黨 你的修法真的是如此嗎為什麼一個修法出來之後 大家的解讀都不一樣助理的解讀不一樣所有不同黨派的立委所解讀的也不一樣這叫做很失敗的修法 |
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一個修法是要讓大家清清楚楚了解你到底要做什麼你的目的是什麼你的用意是什麼但是你卻是顛三倒四掛羊頭賣狗肉讓所有的助理更不安心 |
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讓我們未來整個助理費變得更沒有辦法透明公正美其名你說我們會增加依照不同的學歷會增加可是要怎麼增加一個表面的數字真的可以增加嗎最後不是都掌控在立委的手上嗎 |
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你把它當成是補助費那最後誰來合批所有相關助理的預算所以如果一個修法是修得亂七八糟修得讓人民沒有辦法信心修的是讓助理莫名其妙請問這是什麼修法我們反而希望的是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
我們沒有辦法省的預算你們趕快來討論怎麼省我們反而是希望我們地方被擋的建設你們趕快來省我們反而是希望我們地方一直被虧空的部分從財化法從預算的部分你們趕快來面對事實 |
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可是不是你們卻用所謂的假的增加助理的預算跟福利實質來進行除罪化的動作這人民無法接受我們一定要看清楚國民黨的真面目這才能讓我們大家能夠事實認 |
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| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
35651.486 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
好 謝謝陳廷飛委員的發言接下來我們請王世堅委員發言王世堅委員發言王世堅委員發言不在場接下來我們請陳俊宇委員發言黃婕委員請準備 |
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35676.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
主席 各位同仁今天是我們議席會議的最後一天讓人感覺非常危險的又是一個用人手、投手在企業、交手的議事規定我們現在並不是在議場來實施、來審議國家的綜議上是為了很多方有正義的法案在進行這個表決的大戰 |
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針對目前我們在討論的這項立法院組織法的修法如同我們之前很多位立委、同仁所說的我們的立場非常明確我們支持國會組織的管理要發展化跟他們基本的保障經過反對任何遭到改革之名事實是獨立自己的這種組織法的修法行為 |
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各方的助力是我們立法院議事運作當中不可欠缺的人員 |
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35750.527 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
他們用優秀專業的地齡來協助我們他們應該要享有合理的薪資和福利這點我相信是沒有分別大家都應該要有的共識不過我們看到中興大樓、青島大樓、報告欄、藍天堂一定都沒有應徵的功課 |
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35765.934 |
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| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
這兩年國會的亂象已經走遭多少阻力各位你們知道不然我們的修法提案從阻力費定義是這個補助款 |
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| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
35798.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
這個基本上是逃逃的做法可是我們立委真的要照顧我們的助力是不是應該要直接來推動各個助力的專法或是建立一個可以咕咕噹噹制度化的這個管理保障的機制這是正確的做法在這裡 |
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| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
35827.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
我們要活躍我們所有的立法黨人不然中央政府的綜藝省還要卡在我們的聽術委員會一天也要不省有關到我們立委主席的利益甚至參照到這個讀取法議律的修法所要負責議題之後就要共行來進行標判這種非常粗魯的做法我們要如何向我們的選民來交代 |
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35829.244 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
35841.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
我們及時提升國會助理的這個寬約但是我們要修復年齡的這種整理環境機率透過修復的助理費變成立委的收金口的這種狀況如果要擁抱委員長 |
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替我們北京議員在心的這些同仁因為助理會的問題讀罪法來做修法這不是道理在自己什麼樣子才是道理請問大家 |
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接下來請黃婕委員報告 陳秀寶請準備 |
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35892.609 |
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立法院的各位同仁沒錯我相信今天要審查的這個法案比晚餐吃什麼更加重要那所有的國會助理也更關心自己的福利自己的薪資待遇更甚於等一下要吃什麼 |
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所以我在這邊想要表達的是真的很遺憾今天是預算會期的最後一天了但是我們的總預算今年的總預算到現在一塊錢都還沒有審但是立法院卻要強行通過這些立委自肥的法案立法院的藍白多數 |
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準備要讓中天復台準備要讓這些不當黨產回來了現在還準備要讓這個貪污的助理廢除罪化非常非常的遺憾那我也相信現在所有的國會助理一定都有在看立法院的直播我要告訴這些助理們拜託你們不要被國民黨騙了 |
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不要被牛許廷發起的這個法案騙了他裡面這些巧立名目包裝說要幫你照顧這些助理的福利照顧你的待遇等等但是關鍵是在於第32條第二款裡面寫到的他原本把立法院編列預算支應支這個本來應該要專款專用的助理費改成了立法委員的補助費用 |
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這一個詞是關鍵拜託所有的助理們請你們去跟你們這一些無良的老闆抗議讓他們知道說你不會接受你的薪資福利要被老闆沒收你不會接受你這些無良的老闆把你的薪水放到他的口袋 |
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所以我的立場非常的清楚我們很支持照顧國會助理的待遇但絕對不支持這一些無良的慣老闆準備要把助理費貪污除罪化準備要把這一些一年680萬放到自己的口袋準備要把這680萬變成個人的小金庫 |
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所以拜託所有的助理如果你有在看直播請你也跟你的老闆來表達說我們絕對不接受你們這種技術性的除罪化這個錢本來就是要給你們的本來就是應該要正正當當的由立法院直接支應給助理而不是還要轉一手最後要不要給你還要看你老闆的心情 |
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還要看老闆今天是哪算拿去洗頭還是他今天是不是要多給你一塊錢所以我要告訴大家如果藍白真的坦蕩蕩沒有要替誰開後門沒有要幫自己自肥那請你們立刻馬上就把這個法案裡面立法委員補助費這一條直接刪掉拜託大家謝謝 |
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好 謝謝黃婕委員的發言接下來我們請陳秀寶委員發言 王振旭委員請準備 |
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主席 各位立委同仁其實我現在站在這邊發言我心情很沉重我覺得說在這邊我要為我的助理為各位辛苦的助理跟大家一起打拚的助理們發言發聲我的心情是很重很沉痛的 |
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我們立院組織法第32條有規定立法委員的助理費是由立法院編列依其一勞基法所規定的相關費用是編列了立委的薪資 |
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牛許廷委員的這個版本看起來好像提升了很多的福利裡面洋洋灑灑的列了十多種加緊與補助但是他都不是助理薪水他叫做立法委員補助費用 |
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他都不是助理能領到的薪水他是立法委員補助費牛許廷委員這個版本雖然看起來好像是提升的福利但其實是包裹著私心的糖衣沒有在根本上來解決公費助理這個法制化的問題尤其這個版本其實是國民黨他們為了挽回這個這段時間持續被社會所抨擊的緩兵之際 |
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去年的12月陳玉珍提出的這個公費助理費直接撥於立委作為統籌運用的時候那個時候大家為了他的棉檢據核銷這個部分我想不只是助理不只是我們真心對待助理的委員們還有社會大眾都非常不能接受 |
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導致當時很多公會助理都群起反對甚至必須為了捍衛自己的權益在立法院的門口抗爭要求陳玉珍委員一定要撤案民進黨團也為了保障助理的權益因此也提出復議後來陳玉珍委員說邀請助理公會來討論條文當時所參與討論的助理公會是不是真的代表所有助理的聲音是很有疑問的 |
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而且也沒有跟工會助理們妥善的來溝通那今天牛許廷委員的這個版本也沒有在委員會經過討論是淨富惡毒在昨天跟今天的這個協商是根本是過水過個形式你們就要倉促的處理幾百位助理工會重大權益這個法案真的對助理們非常的不公平 |
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請國民黨民眾黨的委員們看看你們身後支持你們的助理他們到現在都還在辦公室待命你們到幾點他們就到幾點他們都比你早到比你晚走你們這樣的所作所為對得起他們的付出嗎不要為了立委自己的私心來倉促修法來損害到我們助理的權益助理們絕對值得更好的對待更多的尊重不要用這麼粗心 |
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主席各位同仁國人同胞首先我要感謝我的助理們 |
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在我過去這兩年進入到國會感謝他們的幫助讓我在擔任這個委員的期間可以把我的表現讓其他關心的人都能夠得到肯定 |
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今天我們國民黨的黨團將立法組織法修正案的部分要淨附二讀並且試圖在預算會期的最後一天強行闖關剛剛很多委員都表達了起起不可的想法民進黨團的同仁口口聲聲說為了要增加助理的福利 |
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可是我們擔心的社會所看到的可能是他們要將助理費變成立委補助費這是大家共同擔心的部分這不只是名詞的改變這是法律定性的失守 |
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一旦變成了補助費就代表助理費不是助理費而是立委的補助費這不是自肥那什麼才叫做自肥這個就是社會大家共同擔心的部分那為什麼要在這個時機點這個會期的最後一天要如此倉促如此野蠻的來強行表決通過呢 |
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大家所設定的可能原因第一就是為了要特定人的脫罪路徑這部分我們剛剛很多委員都有表達同樣的意見第二個是對老犬的一個假性的關懷國民黨的同仁說要提高助理的待遇 |
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可是卻拒絕公開助理的名冊拒絕薪資的透明沒有透明的監督那這些錢最後到底是進了基層助理的口袋呢還是社會關心的進了立委的口袋沒有人知道所以助理 |
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乍領助理會的事件一再的發生應該被檢討的是個別的民代而不是整個公費助理的制度那公費助理的公費這兩個字強調的就是由國家來保障國會助理的專業與權益國會助理會本來就應該是公開的公奴而不是看不見的小金庫今天我真的希望能夠 |
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請所有的委員們共同的來清楚的表示今天國民黨這樣的提案真的是一個倒退就是在幫助特定人開後門我要很嚴正的希望我們國民黨的同仁立刻要撤回這樣的修法的版本不要把國會助理打回稱為私房的工具人讓我們一起來守住國會的專業也守住民主的底線 |
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36480.359 |
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謝謝大家 謝謝我們接下來請賴瑞龍委員請發言 |
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36494.262 |
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36507.82 |
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主席各位同仁今天是1月30號那也是我們立法院第11屆第4會期的最後一天那很遺憾在最後這個時間還晚上加班的時間去來處理這樣的一個法案這個時間應該要優先來處理的是我們的預算案 |
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36527.231 |
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這是預算會期而我們今天這一屆立委就創下了一個史上的惡例竟然在我們的預算會期完全沒有審查總預算甚至於被一個直接阻擋在程序委員會甚至於副委討論機會都沒有這創下了最嚴重的惡例 |
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包括很多的部分也都應該優先處理像財化法行政的版本好不容易已經送出來很多縣市都支持應該優先來處理過去這些藍白所通過的不公不義的財化法應該優先來處理讓國家財政回復到正常狀態結果沒有處理就今天處理的是完全具有高度爭議性的法案我們來看現在要處理這個法案我們都知道民主政治裡面其中非常重要是人才的征服 |
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過去以來立法院培養出非常多優秀的人才都是從國會助理出身包括我包括許多同事都是如果沒有這些優秀的助理的制度的話不會有培養出這麼多優秀的人才結果現在藍白竟然打算要摧毀這樣的制度我們來看這樣的修法方式原先的部分是立法院編列預算來支應之 |
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這是由立委來領選但是你實際的雇主是立法院你簽約的對象是立法院你得到所有立法院該給你的保障所有的公費助理是得到充分的保障跟充分的信任他們可以在這邊完全受到該有的尊重跟說實話該有的合理的對待依法來保障結果現在國民黨跟民眾黨提出來的修法是把它改為 |
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作為立法委員補助費用當你改成這樣狀態下的時候全部的錢 全部進到立委的身上立委決定要用多少第一款裡面寫到的辦公室費用他要用多少在辦公室費用 他決定他要用多少給助理 他決定助理的制度將全面被破壞未來我們將很難吸引到優秀的人才在立法院裡面來成為助理當然我們就難以讓這些優秀人才進入到政治裡面 |
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而成為未來有機會的國家的優秀的政治人才這將是台灣助理制度的一個崩壞國會助理制度的大崩壞同時間也是台灣民主制度的一個大崩壞所以我們在這強烈的譴責這樣的提案這是假幫助助理之民事實在迫害助理甚至在危害整個助理制度的一個知識所以我們再次呼籲藍白立委懸崖勒馬 |
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不要傷害好不容易台灣民主制度建立起來的一個很好的國會助理制度這些公費助理都是讓台灣民主向前走的關鍵力量若破壞掉了將會影響到台灣的自由民主制度你們也將會成為歷史上的罪人我們再次呼籲藍白懸崖勒馬好 謝謝賴瑞龍委員的發言 謝謝我們現在進行逐條討論第32條請宣讀 |
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委員劉許庭等提案第32條立法委員每人得至公費助理8人至14人由委員聘用前與其同進退並適用勞動基準法規定但公費助理離職後6個月內在任公費助理者其工作年資應與並計 |
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36715.143 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
立法院應每年以公務預算編列下列立法委員補助費用一 每一立法委員辦公事務費用二 按每一立法委員每年稅費五倍之公費處理工資及依勞動法令規定應由雇主負擔之相關費用 |
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| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
三 公費助理之專業加擠四 公費助理之資深加擠五 公費助理實施健康檢查及文康活動費用六 公費助理之年終工作獎金七 公費助理之在職進修費用八 公費助理之結婚補助生育補助 喪葬補助子女教育補助費用九 公費助理之服務費 |
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| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
前項第一款費用之項目及標準如附表在中華民國102年1月1日實行第二項第二款是第九款補助費用由立法院代理立法委員給付第二項第三款專業佳績以公費助理領有下列證書之一者為限同時領有多種證書者並得與累計 |
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| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
其项目类别加急标准及其他应遵行之事项由立法院定之一 专门职业及技术人员证书考试及格证书或教师证书但有下列其行之意者不适用之 |
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| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
一、受承接於停止執行職業務或其他相類似處分期間二、承受署名之承接處分三、承受解聘不續聘處分或於終局提聘期間二、公務人員高等考試或普通考試及格證書但承受免除職務、撤職、剝奪、減少退休職務金或休職之承接處分者不適用之 |
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| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
36820.697 |
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三、公立或依法立案之私立大学或符合教育部裁认规定之国外大学硕士以上学位证书其项各款证书经确效者其已知领之专业家境应予追回第二项第四款自身家籍已公费处理证职恩领上者违宪其分级家籍标准及其他应遵行之事项由立法院定之 |
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36821.377 |
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36839.555 |
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第二项第五款费用支对象项目方法标准及其他应遵行之事项由立法院认定之自中华民国一百十四年一月一日实行第二项第六款年终工作奖金以公费助理月支工资专业加给及资深加给之和技术比照军工教育人员 |
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36840.276 |
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36862.864 |
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年终工作奖金发给基准发给之第二项第七款费用以补助公费助理经所属立法委员同意于公余时间至公立或依法立案之私立大学入学进修或选修学分者为限其补助办法由立法院定之第二项第八款费用以公费助理月薪工资比较全国军工校员工 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
36863.524 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
36880.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
待遇知己要点之补助基准发给之第二项第九款抚慰金以公费助理于聘用期间病故或因公死亡者为限按其月之工资专业家及其资深家及职和技术准用聘用人员聘用条例之规定发给之 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
36881.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
36899.306 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
台湾民众党党团修正动议第32条立法委员每人得至公费助理8人至14人由委员聘用且与其同进退并适用劳动技术法制规定但公费助理离职后6个月内在任公费助理者其工作年资应予以并计 |
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36900.187 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
36905.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
立法院亦每年以公务预算编列下列立法委员补助费用1. |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
36905.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
36908.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
每一立法委员办公室费用2. |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
36908.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
36916.634 |
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按每一立法委员每年税费5倍之公费助理工资及以劳动法令规定应由雇主负担之相关费用3. |
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36916.634 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
36918.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
公费助理之专业加计4. |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
36918.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
36921.156 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
公费助理之资深加计5. |
| transcript.whisperx[630].start |
36921.156 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
36924.037 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
公费助理实施健康检查及文康活动费用 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
36924.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
36927.822 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
6.公費助理制年終工作獎金7. |
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36927.822 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
36930.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
公費助理制在職勤休費用8. |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
36930.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
36935.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
公費助理制服務金選項第一款費用制項目及標準如附表自中華民國102年1月1日實行 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].start |
36938.772 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
36957.532 |
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第二项第二款之第八款补助费用由立法院代理立法委员给付第二项第三款专业佳绩以公费助理领有下列证书之一者为限同时领有多种证书者除考试及格证书及职业证书则依采集机会并得予累计 |
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| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
36981.839 |
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1.律师或会计师考试几个证书律师或会计师证书但受承接与停止执行职业务期间或承受署名之承接处分者不适用之2.司法官考试公务人员法制会计或公务会计类科考试几个证书但承受免除职务撤职剥夺或减少退休职务金或休职之奖成 |
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37012 |
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承届处分者不适用之3.公立或依法联职私立大学或符合教育部采认规定之国外大学硕士以上学位证书但仅采集最高学位证书一次2.第二项第四款资深加给以公费处理年资在四年以上者为限2.第二项第三款及第四款加给由公费处理检据相关证明文件经所属立法委员审核后向立法院提出并因项链规定自提出日起发给 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].start |
37012.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
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一 您有司法官考试几个证书者每月新台币二万元二 您有律师或会计师证书律师考试会计师考试或公务人员高等考试三级或特种考试三等法制会计或关税会计类科考试几个证书者每月新台币一万五千元三 您有公务人员普通考试或特种考试四等会计或关税会计类科考试几个证书者每月新台币一万元 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].start |
37042.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
37068.406 |
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四 林友硕士學位占數者每月新台幣三千元五 林友博士學位占數者每月新台幣一萬二千元六 年資在四年以上八年未滿者每月新台幣六千元七 年資在八年以上十二年未滿者每月新台幣八千元八 年資在十二年以上者每月新台幣一萬元林友第二項第三款專業家計專人有第五項第一款單書或第二款單書徵請行事 |
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因此事实发生之日起30日内,检据相关资料通知所属立法委员及立法院,并自事实发生之4月起停止发给专业家纪。未通知而致意领获其证书由苏集既往是其效力就其行者,并因返还已知领之专业家纪,其因此所受领之年终工作奖金。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
37113.501 |
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有意领获应返还专业家籍及年终工作奖金之期行政,立法院应以书面,命其于三十日内返还,借其人为返还者,移送行政执行。第二项第五款费用之对象项目方法,标准及其他应遵行之事项,由立法院内定之,自中华民国一百十四年一月一日实行。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
37131.702 |
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第二項第六款年終工作獎金以公費助理月資、工資、專業家籍及資深家籍之和技術比較軍工教育人員年終工作獎金發給月數發給之第二項第七款費用以補助年資在一年上之公費助理經所屬立法委員同意與公餘時 |
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37133.064 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
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兼至公立或依法立法之私立大学入学进修或选修学分者为限每一立法委员及党团每学期至多补助二人公费助理在职进修所修科目成绩均及格且平均达70分以上或相当短期者每学期补助其学费杂费学分费学分学杂费及学杂费基数之进修费有三分之二但每人每学期补助金额不得于新台币二万元 |
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37163.413 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].end |
37181.958 |
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第二项第八款服务金以公费处理与聘用期间或依法令留置停薪期间死亡者为限一次发给其遗属新台币70万元并比较劳工退休金条例遗属请领退休金收为及方式办理但故意自杀拘捕致死或无遗属者不予发给 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].start |
37183.358 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
37200.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
台湾民众囊囊团在修正动议第32条立法委员每人得是公费助理8人除14人有委员聘用且与其同进退并适用劳动技术法治规定但公费助理离职后6个月内暂任公费助理者其工作年资应与并计 |
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37200.838 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
37226.187 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
立法院应每年以公费预算编列下列立法委员补助费用一 每一立法委员办公事务费用二 按每一立法委员每年税费五倍之公费助理工资及劳动法令规定应由雇主负担之相关费用三 公费助理之专业加计四 公费助理之资深加计五 公费助理实行健康检查及文康活动费用六 公费助理之年终工作奖金 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].start |
37226.967 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
37240.635 |
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7 公費助理制債執行凶費用8 公費助理制扶威金前項第一款費用制項目及標準如附表自中華民國102年1月1日申請第二項第二款制第八款補助費用由立法院代理立法委員給付 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].start |
37242.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
37266.307 |
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第二项列三款专业家籍以公费助理领有下列证书之一者为限同时领有多种证书者主考试几个证书及职业证书则依采集一次外并得予累计一律师或会计师考试几个证书律师或会计师证书单受惩戒于停职执行职业务期间或曾受署名之惩戒处分者不信用之 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].start |
37267.528 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
37280.781 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
2.司法官考试公务人员法治会计或关税会计类科考试及格证书,但承受免除职务,撤职剥夺或减少退休职务金或休职之前件处分者不适用之。3. |
| transcript.whisperx[649].start |
37280.781 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
37287.708 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
公立或依法利亚之私立大学或符合教育部裁判规定之国外大学硕士以上学位证书,但及 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].start |
37288.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
37310.706 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
采集最高学位证书一次第二项第四款自身家计以公费处理年资在四年以上者文献第二项第三款及第四款家计由公费处理检据相关证明文件经所属立法委员审核后向立法院提出并因下列规定自提出日起发给一 领有司法官考试及格证书者每月新台币二万元 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].start |
37311.506 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
37324.864 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
2.零用律师或会计师证书律师考试会计师考试或公务人员高等考试三级或特种考试三等法制会计或关税会计类科考试及格证书者每月新台币一万五千元 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].start |
37326.283 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
37350.655 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
三 领有公务人员普通考试或他总考试四等会计或关税会计类科考试及格证书者每月新台币一万元四 领有确试学位证书者每月新台币三千元五 领有博士学位证书者每月新台币一万二千元六 年资在四年上八年未满者每月新台币六千元七 年资在八年上十二年未满者每月新台币八千元 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].start |
37351.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
37367.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
8.年資在12年以上者每月新台幣1萬元另有第2項第3款專業加解決人有第5項的第1款單書或第2款單書徵情形式因此事實發生之日起30日內前去相關資料通知所屬立法委員及立法院 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].start |
37367.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
37393.592 |
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并自事实发生之4月起停止发给专业家籍未通知而致意领或其证书有溯及既往实行效率追击行政并因返还已居领之专业家籍及因此所受领之年终工作奖金有意领或因返还专业家籍及年终工作奖金追击行政立法院应以书面命请于30日内返还借其人为返还者移送行政执行 |
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37395.073 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
37414.816 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
第二项第五款费用之对项项目方法标准及其他应遵行之事项由立法院认定之资助款民国一百十四年一月一日施行第二项第六款年终工作奖金以公费助理月支工资专业家姐及资深家姐之和技术比较军工教育人员年终工作奖金发给月数发给支 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].start |
37415.817 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
37431.227 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
第二项递金还费用,以补助年资在一年上市公费助理,经所属立法委员同意,于公余时间至公立或以法例24例到选入学进修或选修学分者为限,每一立法委员及党团每学期至多补助二人。 |
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37431.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
37450.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
公费助理在职进修所修科目成绩均及格且平均达70分以上或相当等级者每学期补助其学费杂费学分费学分学杂费及学杂费技术之进修费有三分之二但每人每学期补助金额不等于新台币2万元 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].start |
37451.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
37471.825 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
第二项第八款服务金以公费助理于聘用期间或依法令理由指停薪期间死亡者为限一次发给其遗属新台币七成万元并比照劳工退休金条例遗属请领退休金顺位及方式办理但故意自杀拘捕致死或无遗属者不予发给宣读完毕 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
37496.809 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
現在依照登記順序發言並截止發言登記首先我們請鍾嘉斌委員發言王逸川委員請準備主席在場委員先進大家沒有注意到今天這個條文現場的狀況有三個奇怪 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].start |
37497.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
37526.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
第一個奇怪有沒有發現那個條文念了很久念了很長念了超過15分鐘啊待會我告訴你為什麼第二前後的廣泛討論發言人次有20人次都是民進黨的委員沒有半個提案的國民黨的委員起來發言第三我們看一下現在待會7分鐘響鈴之後會不會他們一個一個從營業室跑出來為什麼現在不在位置上首先我告訴你第一個 |
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37528.375 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
37540.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
國民黨的委員剛剛二十人次沒有人來講而民進黨的委員每一個講的直立有聲因為民進黨委員的表現充分的建立在他們善用助理的能力身上 |
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| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
37570.159 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
這個條文助理關心幫委員準備的很詳細所以每個民進黨的委員都能講出助理的心聲反過來國民黨沒有哪個你們的助理敢為你們這個條文庇護從頭到尾在我們不敢到委員會去討論只有劉許廷敢在朝野協商的時候講話其他小委員你們的助理敢幫你寫這個條文的發言稿嗎沒有 |
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37571.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].end |
37597.314 |
| transcript.whisperx[663].text |
所以你們從頭到尾不敢幫你們的條文辯護第二委員說啊真相只有一個真相只要講一句但是要掩蓋真相要講一百句謊言這就是典型的掩護掩蓋真相一百句謊言的條文啊陳玉珍委員很粗暴的要說免核聚來核銷 |
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37600.464 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].end |
37622.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
所以呢 工會反彈 挑了很多的要求很好 牛許廷委員把助理們的要求寫進去了有什麼念給你聽 有再次進修還有呢 專業加擠 資深加擠還有呢 結婚補助 洋洋灑灑寫了七款啊但是最終一款是什麼 |
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37624.346 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].end |
37637.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
由立法院代理立法委員給刑啊還是要看立法院的臉色啊這些美麗的糖花都是掩飾最後最關鍵的最關鍵的核心條文就是補助費用 |
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37639.397 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].end |
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什麼委員提出說 如果你擔心自焚 你好啊 你寫下來啊條文寫 不得冒領 不得議領 不得領口繳回 敢不敢寫 不敢你會決定還放話說 沒有關係啊 我們下屆實施有嗎 有寫下這實施嗎第三個 我們看一下 |
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為什麼他們只要這樣子堅持到最後因為這個幫派啊對他們的兄弟有個交代他們要告訴顏寬恆我們挺你別忘了顏寬恆改了這個也救不了你啊好 謝謝鍾嘉斌委員發言發言會再次拜託 再次拜託尊重發言委員權益非常非常感謝各位委員接下來我們請王毅山委員發言莊瑞雄委員請準備 |
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好 謝謝院長我們今天最好這趟是因為這個黃國昌要離開 離開他啊算了 把他逼上一條嘛結果在討論這些人都沒在沒辦法處理這條 這條先不要處理今天A報啊先通過一個幫這個中國電視台幫阿強阿公的電視台 |
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還要回來嗎?這第一條國民黨民眾黨以前國昌最討厭的那個中國電視台跟阿強講話的電視台還要回來嗎?後面這兩個人都在說炒賣的事情做街灶、做建築這三人模啊 |
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為了要統治台灣 統治地市民主創了這個滅國團啦這滅國團 偷竊台灣的土地 佔地 佔佔的現在不當黨產的這個委員會 把它套回來套回來之後 現在國民黨叫這個民眾黨說 不用 不用贏都用這滅國團的現在全部都套套回去 這事情第三 |
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第三就是為了這個民眾黨啊 再造一個領域叫做高峰這樣把你做的錢啊 拿去洗頭盆 拿去黏那個什麼雙眼皮為了這個啦 為了這個 今天去啦 再收一條 |
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像這條說什麼 助理的職叫做立法委員的補助會助理的職就是助理的職 不用攬攬就位說到這麼熱鬧 叫什麼好事助理的職就是 特定一條就是處理助理的職不要攬攬什麼叫立法委員補助會 |
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做你的職就是做你的職 叫立法院本主要什麼管理你問事情 你說要逗教的意思是什麼 意義是什麼你把他踢開 這事情就都解決了立法院的這個法律 立法院要報什麼報什麼這立法局的事 做你的要報的 做你的擔當的就好 你說要跟政府說 這叫立法院有管理 |
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不知道你們在想什麼 不知道你們在想什麼沒有這個不好啦沒有這個你只是把這個立委喔 起來...這個助理起來做肉票說喔 這立委啊 要幫這個助理加薪水加薪水就給你一條牙不要給他什麼立法委員補助委 發明一種有的沒的你要不要用這個方式 誰不知道還要偷竊東西 |
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你為了民眾黨部這條喔 不會好啦第一 叫得小才好 你如果沒差這個錢啦老鼠要這樣嘛 你鼠雙窮死了嘛 笑死人好 謝謝王一川委員發言接下來我們請莊瑞雄委員發言 蔡奕宇委員請準備 |
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主席 各位在場的媒體朋友國民黨跟民眾黨的朋友你們也仔細聽一下本來啊 現行的條文長照長成這樣子啊立法委員助理會是由立法院來編列預算之印這是本來的條文 |
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國民黨現在劉許廷委員你先把它改成怎麼樣咧助理費不是叫做立法院編列預算之音啊說編列下列立法委員的補助費用啊魔鬼就藏在這個細節裡面啊我跟在場的委員報告我講個故事給你們聽春秋時代喔 |
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有一個人要偷鐘那個鐘很大他想說先把它敲碎可是敲碎了又很大聲他就把耳朵延起來他要去偷飯市的鐘這個叫延耳盜鈴啦這個就是今天的中國國民黨立法院啊要開大門啊要走大路啊 |
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我特別肯定陳毓章委員我叫小人家陳毓章委員的提案是什麼呢是說這一筆助理費用以後全部免減劇費用免減劇費用核銷立法委員統籌運用陳毓章我該怕不怕 |
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人家老叫小 要給他除罪話嘛你們也想除罪話 你們就偷偷摸摸我告訴各位地方民待知己條例第六條 想不想說什麼 你知道嗎助理費用 要怎麼樣去運用必須要有一個內控制度各位 我們立法院秘書處也聽到了 |
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我們立法院說全部通通不用這個條文完全都沒有這兩年我聽最多的就是藍白的委員一直在講說我們國家越打越炸說你行政部門行政院你要打炸打炸結果我們說打炸行政院你就只能打外面的不能打立法委員這個案子就告訴我們 |
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行政部門要去打仗但是不能打到立法院來 通嗎?不通嗎? |
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劉許廷文等一下你講一句就好了你上來就說因為這是你的提案你就告訴社會大眾這個案子跟最高法院一貫的見解一樣助理費不是議員不是立法委員的實質薪資範圍講這一句話就好了我告訴各位啊這個案子白忙一場啦 |
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就算通過 那是事實變更好 謝謝 謝謝張瑞 |
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呼籲一下拜託院會我們繼續保持肅靜尊重發言委員的權益接下來我們請蔡易瑜委員發言黃秀芳委員請準備 |
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主席 各位同仁事實上剛剛聽到了很多人都在講今天在處理這個立法院的組織法那國民黨如果當作這麼重要不惜著說要延長時間最後今天開會的最後一天還要處理這個到底在急什麼 |
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如果像劉許廷的版本說你為了要增加這些立委的福利要增加然後再去藏了一個叫做把它改成補助費用那你就同意嘛你們再提一個修正案的一個版本把這個補助費用拿掉回到過去的就是依法實質編列然後這些費用基本上就由立法院來支應這樣就沒問題了 |
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你們現在就提這個修正動議,那我想可能等一下也不用大家這樣發言這個事情就好了,要不要做?你們這樣修正動議就好了,為什麼?你們就一定要在這個法案,然後說這個叫做立法委員的補助費用補助費用意思是什麼?就是動作這個地方整體薪資大水庫的一部分嘛 |
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那你們要這樣用的一個結果 你們的目的是什麼就是未來的柏瓜系的時候 你就可以順勢的在訴訟的過程中去主張你看現在立法院已經有新的一個定義這個名詞定義咧 未來的給助理的這一些的從薪水啦 什麼專業家籍資深家籍 |
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這個都是立法委員的補助費用啊既然這是立法委員的補助費用,意思這就是給立委的啊就是給立委的,可以自己運用的啊這裡的錢給我刷去把他運用去,這樣立委我自己的補助我都刷去把他運用這樣我還可以負責自己的錢?這樣就沒有啊這樣你就達到你的目的啊,在訴訟上達到除罪的效果嘛 |
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所以這個大家都清楚的事情那劉雪芹等一下你要上來講你同不同意就是在這裡你把補助費用這個文字拿掉拿掉之後我想接下來要討論增加我們助理的待遇哇大家很高興我們現在用暗示的時間來討論要怎麼增加助理的待遇我覺得這個是值得的 |
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我們今天來的武漢戰爭也可以,但是你實際上,你這叫做暗度層倉捏!言而道理,你暗度層倉捏!牛市廷,你這樣武,實際上大家知道你在武殺! |
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阿這個真的國民黨你硬要這樣做嗎你們今天至少你們已經齁你們的中天也可以復原阿你們救國團也拿回去阿 互聯會也拿回去阿四百六十月你們拿回去阿最後還要為了除罪話現在還要忙到這麼晚你們再休息一下啦謝謝蔡議員的發言 謝謝接下來我們請黃秀芳委員發言劉許廷委員請準備 |
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時間暫停時間暫停時間暫停時間暫停拜託各位院會的委員各位委員尊重發言委員的權益好嗎請保持肅靜黃秀芳委員請發言 |
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謝謝主席還有所有的同仁今天是我們立法院這個會期的最後一天很遺憾我們現在要提的立法院組織法修正草案會影響到立法院上千位的助理的權益 |
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我們看到國民黨提出來的立法院組織法的修正草案將公費助理工資納入立委的補助費用藍白趁今天立法院的最後一天即將要將法案闖關我相信很多我們所有委員的助理 |
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有的應該都是看著現在立法院這個院會裡面看轉播看所有藍白委員對於這個法案你們到底是對於我們這麼辛苦的這些立法院的公費助理你們這樣子對待他們我相信很多每一位委員的不論是質詢或者是選民服務那地方的選民服務都是由這些公費立委非常辛苦的有的是代替委員 |
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來做一些法案的處理所以我在這邊要再次的證告所有的藍白委員你們不要要將這個立法院組織法修正草案變成是一個除罪化那我相信這個可能也是我們立委這個通過之後立法委員自肥加薪 |
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我覺得這是非常不應該的那另外我看到這個以後立法委員的貪污助理費會變成無罪那不只如此國民黨還要修法把可以貪的金額加高如果藍白委員不認為這個條文是除罪化的話那麼就把輕吞助理費是違法寫在法條上 |
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國民黨民眾黨你們敢不敢請你們誠實面對人民請你們誠實面對這些為你們賣命的助理助理費這個制度原來是為了支持民意代表推動公共事務聘僱專業人才 |
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然後採取公費支應由人民納稅前所建構的民主工具那因為最近這幾年從立法院到地方的議會助理制度頻頻被濫用民貸涉及人頭掛名或者是差額回捐福報薪資挪用公帑等手法層出不窮所以讓助理費淪為個人身材甚至貪腐的管道 |
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那立法院所有的藍白的委員你們不去思考加強助理費的監督國民黨民眾黨反其道而行來推動民代貪污助理費除罪化這個根本就是民主支持好謝謝黃秀芳委員的發言接下來我們請 |
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拜託各位委員尊重發言委員好權益好不好 拜託一下我們接下來請登記第六號 牛許廷委員請發言謝謝主席各位親愛的院會同仁 大家久等了 |
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今天來跟大家上上最基本的ABC因為我們剛剛忍受了一個多小時錯誤資訊的連續轟炸要維持心情平靜不太容易剛剛我們好多民進黨的好朋友義正慈嚴他說這樣子的修法因為納入了補助的性質所以通通除罪了以後炸零助理費通通沒事你們到底是在天真哪一出來 我給大家看看 |
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第十一屆第一會期我們立法院通過的叫做地方民意代表知己條例那時候我們大家都非常高興為什麼因為我們幫地方的縣市議員的助理大幅的加薪我們幫村里長爭取了年終獎金等等的待遇 |
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大家不要忘記了當初的明代知己條例是有行政院院版我今天就把它大圖輸出給大家看行政院版第六條的修正條文說直轄市議會縣市議會得編列議員助理補助費 |
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補助各議員聘用助理我還沒說完立法說明更加殘暴他說為補助議員聘僱專職助理履行議員職權定名各議會得編列助理補助費補助各議員聘用助理又為彰顯費用屬補助性質刪除公費二字行政院提出來的明代知己條例就明列 |
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民代的助理就是補助款還很殘暴的把應該是公費助理的公費兩個字刪除請問行政院在幫詐領議員助理費的這些議員除罪嗎回答我這樣子的一個說法當初 |
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當初這個法條在修正的時候順利的通過為什麼我給大家上上課因為討論明代知己條例的時候大家都知道法案的重點在幫議員助理加薪所以這一條是無意義通過如果你們今天說談的不知性質就是除罪那在座的各位通通是共犯一個也別想跑也不要在那邊假請告 |
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再來這個是行政院主計總署的各個預算之用的說明啊這個說明談到民意代表的補助的時候民意代表待遇說凡民意代表的稅費公費研究費及依法並用助理人員之待遇補助均屬之 |
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所以請問 按照現行的法條或者是明代知己條例的修正它不是補助 什麼才是補助沒關係 我待會還有很多次發言機會敬請期待 謝謝好 謝謝牛許評委的發言謝謝謝謝 |
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我們接下來請林柱英委員發言羅美玲委員請準備 |
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現在時間是晚上的7點17分我們在這裡我們的助理也在這裡如果說剛剛許廷所講的以一個地方知己條例就要比照現在的32條的內容那麼我就請問一下 |
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如果說你們認為這個補助費不是把它變成立委的小金庫那麼為什麼不做文字修正你們偏偏一定要把它寫成補助費事實上所有的民進黨委員站在這裡一個多小時只想講一個重點 |
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那就是如果你們要幫立委加薪OK你們要幫立委增加福利OK你們要讓助理獲得更多的薪資沒有人反對但是這個條文當中真正的重點就是補助費當他一旦進入了補助費的範圍那就是給立委愛怎麼用就怎麼用 |
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所以在這樣的一個過程當中我就問牛許廷如果你認為補助費不是你剛剛所講的只是所謂為了除罪化開脫其實你大可以把文字直接劃成線型條文當中由立委 立法院編列預算支應之 |
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這樣子大家其實根本都不用花這些時間在討論不是嗎大家所擔心的就是現在變成了法律的模糊空間變成是接下來修法一旦過關之後包括高雄安包括顏匡恆他們可以被處罪化 |
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今天剛剛牛許勳所講的都是廢話一場只是為了要圓他改了這幾個字但是明明最高法院的解釋就告訴你了這會有模糊的空間但是為什麼你要硬撐那就是為了幫忙來做法律上面的開脫不論是掩耳盜鈴還是掛羊頭賣狗肉 |
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這些過程當中助理們都看得非常清楚那就是從今天一整天到現在研會到晚上7點19分總預算一毛沒有過國民黨黨產發大財國民黨立委發大財 |
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2026藍白發大財是這樣嗎如果真是如此那麼這樣的立法院的存在將是民主政治崩壞的開始我的發言我相信很多國會的立法委員的助理們都在看著而這些就是把助理當成待在羔羊好 謝謝林楚瑩委員發言 |
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| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
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接下來我們最後一位羅美玲委員發言完畢之後我們將會休息30分鐘用晚餐我們現在請羅美玲委員請發言 |
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好今天是這個預算會期最後一天這也是史上第一次預算會期馬上就要結束了可是呢我們立法院呢還有很多的預算呢都還沒有來審議那藍白呢今天繼續是與這個人數的這個優勢呢趕在這個會期的最後一天呢完成了一堆自肥護航還有洗白跟護幣的這個惡法原來 |
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研會並不是要來審預算原來研會是為了要通過這些爭議的這個法案那今天除了住宅法比較沒有爭議之外呢藍白那強推的二法有哪一些我們有看到他們護航紅媒回歸修了衛星廣播電視法讓早已經要下架五年多的中天呢馬上就要復台了那再來呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
39054.107 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
39071.676 |
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黨產大回收修不當黨產條例把原屬於國家的400多億的不當黨產再度要收回國民黨的口袋那再來總預算國防預算一毛都沒有審因為怕被罵所以放行了38項藍白認為跟民生相關的 |
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新兴计划先行动之可是实际上呢有冻结了76%的新兴的预算那再来我们看到就是现在我们正在讨论的立法院组织法让助理费贪污呢除罪化 |
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那让这些涉嫌挪用助理费用的这些立法委员来做这个解套那为了降低这个国会助理的反弹我们今天看到表决的版本并没有纳入原本被骂翻的陈玉珍的版本那是用了牛许婷委员的这版本那实际上这两个版本本质上并没有什么区别 |
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因为国民党修法的核心内容都是将原本法规当中明文规定由国家支应给公费助理的助理费呢改为纳入立法委员补助费用之下那林许婷委员的版本看起来洋洋洒洒写了很多助理的福利 |
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那看起来好像真的有明显的增加那实际上就是因为它是属于立委的补助费用所以呢到底能不能拿到这些福利这些助理能不能得到这些福利那是立法委员说了算他不给你你也拿他没辙他也不违法所以这样子的法令通过的话到底对立法院的助理的劳动权利呢 |
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会不会因此而受害我想这是值得来做公平的刚刚我有听到我们有委员提到就是说修法通过立委每个月的薪资大幅提升那以后薪资扣缴要如何计算助理从这个立委的补助当中得 |
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好 謝謝羅美玲委員發言外交會剛才有委員建議能夠休息時間縮短一點所以我們現在休息20分鐘晚上7點45分繼續開會我們現在休息 請用餐 |
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40455.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
40456.156 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
報議會我們繼續開會第32條現在要進行處理我們按鈴7分鐘並分發表決卡 |
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40903.206 |
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好 時間已到 請問各位是否都有拿到表決卡都有拿到 我們要進行表決我們現在依序進行表決其中一案通過 我們不再處理其他案我們現在表決台灣民眾黨團在修正動議條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
40905.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
40916.542 |
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現在有民進黨團 台灣民眾黨團要求記名表決我們記名表決時間一分鐘贊成台灣民眾黨團在修正動議請按贊成 反對按反對現在開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
40990.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
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抱怨會報告表決結果在場委員107位贊成60位反對47位贊成者多數第32條照台灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議條文通過我們現在進行第33條請宣讀 |
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41037.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
委員紐許婷等提案第33條每屆立法委員選取當選席次的三席且席次較多之五個政黨得各組成黨團席次相同時以抽籤決定組成之立法委員以其所屬政黨參加黨團每一政黨以組成一黨團為鑑每一黨團至少需維持三年以上不能依前項規定組成黨團之政黨或五黨集之委員得加入其他黨團黨團為黨五個時得合組四人以上之政黨政團 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
41038.32 |
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41065.4 |
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依第四項將名單送交人事處之政團以席次交託者優先組成黨政團總數合計五個人限傾向政團准用有關黨團之規定各黨團應於每年首次會期開議日前一日將各黨團所屬委員名單經黨團負責人簽名後送交人事處以供認定委員所參加之黨團黨團辦公室由立法院提供之各黨團提供費助理10人至16人由各黨團領選 |
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并由其对派职委员聘用之相关费用除公费处理工资按每一立法委员每年税费六倍编列补助费用外依前条之规定限制前线限制公费处理于中华民国八十七年三月一日至九十四年六月三十日间 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
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由各黨團領選並由其推派之委員或各幹政黨聘用並實際服務於黨團之助理年資得辦理勞動計準法工作年資及輕事宜 |
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台湾民众党党团修审动议第33条,每届立法委员选取当选席次达三席且席次交入之五个政党,得各组成党团。席次相同时已出现决定组成之,立法委员以其所属政党参加党团,每一政党以组成一党团为限,每一党团至少需维持三人以上,未能以前项规定组成党团之政党或五党及之委员,得加入其他党团,党团未达五个时,得合组四人以上之政团。 |
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依第四项将名单送交人事处之政团依其次较多者优先组成党政团总数合计以五个为限选项政团准用有关党团之规定各党团应于每年首次会期开议日前一日将各党团所属委员之名单经党团负责人签名后送交人事处以供认定委员所参加之党团党团办公室由立法院提供之各党团至公费处理十人至十六人由各党团临选 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
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并有其推派之委员聘用之相关费用除公费助理工资按每一立法委员每年税费六倍编列补助费用外依前同时规定前向限制公费助理于中华民国八十七年三月一日至九十四年六月三十日间由各党团领选并有其推派之委员或各干政党聘用并实际服务于党团之助理联资的办理劳动计准法 |
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工作年资结清事宜台湾民众党党团在修正动议第33条每届立法委员选举当选席次达三席且席次较多之五个政党的各组成党团席次相同时以抽签决定组成之立法委员以其所属政党参加党团每一政党以组成一党团为限每一党团至少需维持三远上未能以选项规定组成党团之政党或五党执政委员得加入其他党团 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
41230.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
党团为党五个时,得和组四人双支阵团依第四项章名单送交人事处支阵团以席次交入者优先组成党阵团总数合计以五个为限前线阵团准有有关党团之规定各党团应于每年首次会议开日 |
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| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
该议日前一日将各党团所属为名单经党团负责人签名后送交人事处以公认定委员所参加之党团党团办公室有立法愿提供之各党团至公费助理10人至16人由各党团领选并由其推办至委员聘用之相关费用除公费助理工资按每一立法委员每年税费6倍编列补出费用外依检调试规定 |
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| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
其项限制公费助理于中华民国87年3月1日至94年6月30日间由各党团领选并由其对派之委员或各该政党聘用并实际服务于党团之助理联资的办理劳动基准法工作联资解析事宜宣布完毕 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
41279.025 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
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報告委員會許智傑委員發表聲明對剛才的表決與民進黨黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄現在依登記順序發言並截止發言登記首先我們請鍾嘉斌委員發言 王一川委員請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
41325.878 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
院長各位同仁坐到這裡真的覺得國民黨委員的臉皮真的很厚那麼多人的發言都是民進黨在反對趕出來辯護的只有牛許廷一個人其他的默不作聲你們都說小牛聰明一世啊他很聰明他講話就夠了告訴你他不只聰明一世他是不可一世 佛土一時 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
41326.838 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
41343.821 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
自費刑犯罪怎麼被抓的啊做賊心虛被抓的剛剛我在發言的時候我說這個條例啊是立委在自肥不可以在本件實施他馬上說我們下件實施啊這叫做自正起罪啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
41369.162 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].text |
如果說這個條例的修法是為了提高國會助理的待遇什麼要到下屆實施這個月通過 下個月就要實施了吧所以表示你們都自己知道這是在圖利立法委員自己啊自證己罪 作賊心虛啊那更好玩的我在哪裡看到這個修正動議下屆實施誰提出的修正民眾黨 好玩啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[750].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
大家知道剛剛講到一個春秋時代的故事陳雲哥我又要說不要講中國的歷史對不起春秋的時代沒有中國叫做周國 周王國那時候魯國啊隔壁有個國家叫做諸國 |
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| transcript.whisperx[751].end |
41406.607 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].text |
諸國裡面有個大夫叫黑宮他為了要叛逃到魯國去把他的封地獻給了魯國我們都知道孔子坐春秋亂成賊子劇照說黑宮這種惡人小人行徑不配列入史冊更何況孔子是魯國人他應該幫魯國掩蓋這個黑歷史 |
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結果孔子不但沒有做 他還大書特書把這個諸國叛逃到魯國的黑宮大夫的獵行記錄春秋史冊之後就有一個成語叫做什麼 欲蓋彌彰啊 |
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41426.656 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].end |
41449.49 |
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今天國民黨 劉許廷的提案 作賊心虛明明是圖利自己立委 還要欲蓋彌彰 還要說我要幫助理加薪水而且下屆在實施 下屆實施 誰幫他加的修正動議民眾黨幫他做的修正動議所以我們今天真的是很多的成語 什麼掩耳盜鈴 |
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41450.991 |
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什麼暗渡成餐啊所以今天國民黨扭曲停歇的這個版本就是做賊心虛治政己罪下界實施誰提的修正民眾黨幫他提修正動議欲蓋彌彰啊好 謝謝鍾嘉賓委的發言接下來我們請王一川委員發言 莊瑞雄委員請準備 |
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41489.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].end |
41509.642 |
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主席,真可惜啦,國民黨自己拿版本說對今年1月1號開始實施,現在不敢申請啦現在說白菜啦,你寫了今年1月1號實施啊,你有寫當時實施1月1號啊啊不是很難讀啊,你字幕很長啊,你就寫1月1號啊 |
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41513.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].end |
41535.015 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].text |
一百一十五年一月一號啊不然我跟民眾黨這幾個人如果要走啊就做一些好事把你蓋起來的時間繞過去不然每天拖這麼多很可憐的你知道嗎不然你說為什麼不可以把立法委員補助費用佩季扣掉到現在還沒出來 |
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41537.32 |
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41561.351 |
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劉恥廷你跟人家說 問你這條就好立法委員補助費用一百億 你在堅持什麼 你在堅持什麼我要說啦 我的寬容還會被你害死啦寬容還會被你害死啦 寬容還不敢這條啦你這樣把社會全台灣 都在為了寬容而已啦你會被害死 你知道嗎 他沒有差這條啦 |
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41562.947 |
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41588.601 |
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你們這個越幫越忙就受你這種的啦這條就通過了,沒辦法啊沒辦法啊,還假說也假說的啊不過歷史上會記錄國民黨提一個案,自違而且是從今年1月1號開始實施這國民黨的版本,國民黨版大家要記住歷史上是很可憐的啦,他算沒要信啦 |
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41589.383 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].end |
41613.317 |
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我們來拚自己的福利啦好啊 站在那裡阻力出來做做票啦臭死人啦 你當作阻力都沒用嗎阻力就是要看線上直播啦阻力就是要看那漏氣的事情啦漏氣是下水下水好 謝謝王一山委員發言 謝謝我們接下來請莊瑞雄委員發言 蔡議員請準備 |
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41627.556 |
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41642.665 |
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主席 各位委員要形容中國國民黨只有四個字可以形容鬼鬼祟祟如果說我們真正要對我們的國會所有的助理是有益的 |
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41644.181 |
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41669.586 |
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民主進步黨不反對啊 中國國民黨你提案啊台灣民眾黨你也附議啊那就從明天就開始實施嘛那還要到日出咧 這個案子啊我還是要再次啊 肯定陳玉珍委員啊開大門走大路 就是提這個案要除罪他在12月5號 這個案子復委了 |
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41671.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].end |
41700.063 |
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我是司法法治委員會的召委啊所以我12月11號我就開了專報結果呢 12月17號我們另外一個召委 翁曉琳委員開了公聽我們想說大家都要開你陳毓珍的版本耶結果整個過去了 牛許廷你再撒一個修正案出來這個叫做什麼 這個叫懺悔法案但是我也要肯定牛許廷喔 |
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41701.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].end |
41723.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].text |
為什麼要肯定他呢他稍微有點良心他稍微會懺悔可是各位你去看看32條昨天 現在討論的是33條32條講的是立法委員五倍 五倍33條講六倍在昨天的時候 在協商的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].start |
41724.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].end |
41746.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].text |
牛委員 你們中國國民黨的講法 尤其是牛委員你認為說時賦時資 那是對的喔請整個六個月喔 結果呢你的修正案的版本跟你昨天的態度完全不一樣這個要幹什麼 還是預留下一個幫立法委員在立法院乍領助理費 開了一個後門啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].start |
41748.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].end |
41767.324 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].text |
哪有這樣的一個立法立法委員大家很清楚在院內的言論對院外不負責任第二個就像現在為什麼要研會因為在會期裡面不能受逮捕的特權你們現在又開了一個立法委員詐騙不受法律的拘束詐領助理會這樣好嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].start |
41770.026 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].end |
41797.392 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].text |
想想看啦我希望劉委員等一下上來可以針對我的再反駁一下我會再給你肯定你越反駁我就代表你們叫做狗的啦你們都以為你們要幫人家解決事情你們在騙孩子啦那麼多人來拜託你們你們匆匆忙忙提一個法案真正有幫助的有辦法除罪的話就只有陳毓珍的版本啦其他的版本都沒有用啦 |
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41799.327 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].end |
41825.778 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].text |
涉及到空白刑法的一個變更啊最高法案的見解那個認為叫事實的變更沒有用議員的補助費他絕對不會是議員的實質基金的補貼議員的立法委員的補助費你不要一個最高法院會認為說這是立法委員的那就看你沒有關係沒有人寫言啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].start |
41827.139 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].end |
41828.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].text |
主席那我想剛剛32條已經表決過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].start |
41855.285 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].end |
41866.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].text |
但是因為剛剛劉許廷委員來這剛剛在站在這裡的時候他用了一些似是而非的話想要誤導他的條文沒有問題 |
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41867.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].end |
41881.192 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].text |
我給大家念得很清楚113年通過的地方民意代表費用知己及村里長事務補助費的補助條例中第六條第一項它寫直轄市議會縣市議會得編列議員助理補助費 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].start |
41886.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].end |
41906.081 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].text |
大家再聽一下 他叫做議員的助理補助費劉詩婷的版本是什麼 32條第二項 他寫立法委員補助費用這樣大家聽得懂嗎這個叫做議員的助理補助費 它是一個名詞 |
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41908.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].end |
41923.589 |
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這個叫做立法委員補助費用是在補助立法委員不是在補助助理捏阿想要用騙捏阿就想要替自己的條文開脫很遏止啦 |
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41925.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].end |
41950.314 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].text |
很遏止啦 那我再念給你聽你剛用的條文中第一款它叫做議員助理補助費第四款講得更清楚第四款說地方的議會要就議員有關於補助費的分配情形助理聘用關係以及各項費用的資應情況建立內部控管的機制 |
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41952.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].end |
41956.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].text |
這個控管的機制不是由立委來控管是由議會來控管 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].start |
41958.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].end |
41978.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].text |
地方議會是這樣你再講廢話 你的條文長怎樣你的條文第四項寫你的補助費用是由立法院代理立法委員給付代理立法委員給付這條錢先變成立委付補助給立委之後立委再給給付給助理這條錢就變你的財產了 你知道嗎 |
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41988.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].end |
42001.257 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].text |
就講得很清楚這個叫做議員的助理補助費就是助理的補助費喔對不對助理補助費這兩年就不一樣了他這是要補助助理的你這是要補助立委的 |
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42003.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].end |
42022.003 |
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要怎麼用騙的啦所以我要講啦如果你對於這個條文很有信心本來你們今天就通過了黨產你也拿回去中天你也拿復原本來你們是匆匆忙忙有任有餘等著走出去我想等著走出去國民黨會認為你們沒有一個人敢接受記者的訪問因為你們都會變匆匆忙忙連滾帶爬 |
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42030.843 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].end |
42035.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].text |
謝謝蔡議員的發言接下來我們請劉許廷委員發言沈伯陽委員請準備 |
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42044.478 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].end |
42071.521 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].text |
謝謝主席啊各位同仁啊看法條不能只看一半這討論到現在我深深感覺如果我們今天感謝大家剛剛多數通過了助理的專業加給等等的加薪條例啊因為最需要助理充能啊提升品質的就是民進黨黨團剛剛蔡宇委員花了非常多的時間去解釋一大堆有的沒的但他就不看為什麼我要寫第二項第二款到第八款的補助費用由立法委員代理委員給付 |
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不就是不要變成所謂的大水庫嗎如果不寫它就變成大水庫大水庫你也不要代理給付你也不要那你到底要什麼在修法的過程中我們跟立法院的執行單位充分溝通這一切的機制就是按照現行的機制來做運作大家合法的申報助理金額由立法院撥交給助理賬戶沒有進到立委口袋的問題 |
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| transcript.whisperx[781].text |
剛剛也有很多委員開始講起了歷史故事我實在忍不住我本來不想講這一段故事的但既然都講了我就殘忍一點吧我手邊這一份資料是立法院公報第107卷第93期委員會的紀錄所以我沒有搞錯的話不是在第九屆就是在第十屆曾經剛剛有很多民進黨委員講說我們應該要很好的法治化專法我提醒各位 |
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| transcript.whisperx[782].end |
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在當初民進黨過半的時候就有委員提出了助理的專訪而且針對各項的待遇啊確實也有很多合理的提升當初助理工會是正份的但是這份資料是助理工會我去請教他的時候他提供給我的當初民進黨黨團裡面最位高權重的那個人在委員會裡面的討論是說 |
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| transcript.whisperx[783].end |
42172.993 |
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這些助理要為了自己的發展而努力他們來這裡不是為了賺錢所以這位位高權重的人因為在民進黨黨團說話其他人不會有別的意見連立法院當初的秘書長林志佳都說我們是不是大家可以來研究看看這位位高權重的委員說我認為行不通不必再研究了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[784].end |
42194.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].text |
然後這些本來可以幫助理加薪的法案就沒有然後了民進黨曾經在立法院過半你們如果版本這麼好這麼傑出你們這麼在乎助理的待遇跟條件為什麼你們當初在多數在過半的時候你們不通過 |
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| transcript.whisperx[785].end |
42220.823 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].text |
然後我們到今天承受攻擊提出合理的助理加薪的法案的時候你們抹黑 你們貝殼你們莫名其妙的冗長發言浪費大家的時間是啊 助理在陪我們加班啦但要是不是聽你們這些汙染諱語我們早就下班啦感謝藍白黨團的團結合作民進黨做不到的事情我們幫你做 謝謝 |
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42239.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].end |
42246.577 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].text |
再一次呼籲各位委員尊重發言委員的權益好嗎 拜託大家現在我們接下來請沈博洋委員請發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].start |
42256.864 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].end |
42274.961 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].text |
今天這個劉許廷委員上來發言兩次這個國民黨的委員在下面叫好我一直以為我就想說這個國民黨委員對自己的助理到底苛刻搞不好只是一個都市傳說但我現在發現看起來是真的 為什麼他們好像對你有提供給你們正確的法律意見 |
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42276.055 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].end |
42292.095 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].text |
你們完全搞錯法條的解釋耶你們連對第六條那個地方民大的解釋也是完全錯誤的耶到底助理們是給你們什麼資訊還是要害你們啊第六條剛剛蔡議員已經講得很清楚了那個叫做議員助理的補助費 |
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| transcript.whisperx[789].end |
42308.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].text |
劉雪婷委員提的是立法委員補助費請問立法委員跟立法委員助理這四個字跟六個字怎麼會是一樣的呢這個定義根本不同啊請問公務人員任用法裡面的公務員跟刑法的公務員都叫公務員定義會一樣嗎 |
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42310.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].end |
42328.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].text |
今天強制猥褻公然猥褻跟散佈猥褻物品都一樣在刑法請問猥褻的定義會一樣嗎當然不一樣啊議員的薪資結構跟立法委員的薪資結構完全不同欸議員今天是研究費是出席費是交通費全部都是用補助的字眼立法委員不是欸他的薪資是直接定在說跟部長對齊欸 |
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他的定義不同耶再來第六條的修法有內控機制耶請問我們這一次有內控機制嗎為什麼內控機制重要因為有沒有內控機制才是法院是否能夠認定你到底有沒有虛領嘛你到底有沒有叫他回捐嘛你沒有那個時報時效的那個機制定在那邊的話請問要怎麼認定詐領你們就是故意好像提出了一個非常完善的法制結果裡面呢該有的機制該保護助理的方式完全沒有嘛 |
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| transcript.whisperx[792].text |
第三個剛剛提到的代為給付議員裡面有規定代為給付嗎沒有啊那你們為什麼要訂代為給付這幾個字理由是什麼就是因為你們把立法委員補助費當作那個是立法委員本人的費用嘛所以你代他做給付不是嗎那你代他做給付之後立法委員的費用他自己就不能夠詐欺自己啊他自己也沒有詐領的問題啊這就是你們的陽謀嘛 |
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剛剛還說這就是現行機制我們只是把它明文化如果這是現行機制那幹嘛要修法不用修法按照條文本來的文字不就好了嗎所以從頭到尾都在騙人你們的目的其實非常簡單民眾黨剛剛配合還用了一個下一屆開始試用我要告訴大家這一件事情最主要就是要配合要讓法院在法官在做判決的時候它有一個依據這個依據是什麼 |
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就是立法委員在修法的時候針對過往的歷史有過什麼討論所以最後呢認為這個就是立法委員本人的費用法院只要營養這個精神就可以把相關的案件判成無罪你們就是為了這一件事情嗎所以不要再欺騙社會大眾法盲啊 還鼓掌欸丟不丟臉啊你們好 謝謝沈博洋委員的發言 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[795].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[795].text |
接下來我們要請林月琴委員請發言洪孟楷委員請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].start |
42462.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].end |
42482.653 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].text |
今天藍白兩黨的荒腔走板我再補一個最荒謬也最打臉的細節在國民黨民眾黨這次的法條第32條專業加級裡面限制只有律師會計師司法官我是一個社工師那我就要問同樣是國家考試同樣是專業證照社工師呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[797].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[797].text |
社工是正照放在藍白的法條裡面答案是一文不值一毛錢家籍都沒有給你們的法條就是在對全國的社工說一句話你們不夠專業我個人在未還委員會天天看到長照三網社會救助弱勢家庭的支持兒少保護的第一線不是靠口號撐起來的是靠第一線的社工每天在現場把制度撐起來結果你們現在的制度設計是 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[798].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[798].text |
律師、會計師、證照的助理加一萬五社工、社安網會接住人的算齡而且我從昨天黨團協商就一直講牽扯到納稅人的錢牽扯到制度的法案為什麼不好好在委員會好好的審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[799].end |
42554.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].text |
偏要禁服惡毒便宜行事你們怕被檢驗結果反而造成專業歧視原來藍白兩黨你們這麼藐視社共事嗎原來藍白兩黨的眼裡只剩下律師會計師司法官才算專業嗎劉喜廷你還好意思說你通過了專業加急 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[800].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[800].text |
如果你們真的能在委員會好好討論那當然就可以好好討論到底有哪些專業可以讓政策法律更好以上謝謝林月琴委的發言接下來我們最後一位登記第八號洪孟凱委員請發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].start |
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主席各位立院同仁我想我們今天在這邊共同討論立法院組織法其實追根究柢重點還是一個剛剛我聽了那麼多民進黨的委員輪方上來發言有人講說不應該用補助兩個字可能會造成有違法的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].start |
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法令就有明文規定現行法令絕對不應該來去做濫用但另外一個部分也有看到有民進黨委員有講是說如果說要提升助理的待遇能夠增加助理的感謝助理的辛勞的話也是可以來支持也是可以來討論那我們就想問如果真的如此的話那請問一下民進黨委員你們的版本在哪裡 |
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我們現在討論那麼久到目前為止希望能夠讓立法品質提升希望能夠增加我們助理的待遇那我們就大家一起共同來坐下來好好研議啊剛剛一直在講是說如果你們可以把補助兩次拿掉的話那我們可以來充分溝通啊那我請教民進黨委員那何不提出你們的版本呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[804].end |
42673.207 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].text |
再來我想請現在在現場持續看直播的助理們好好的理解到底今天是誰在支持我們助理的待遇能夠提升而誰又再是一味的直接反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].start |
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如果說真的那麼重視我們每一位助理同仁大家辛苦的付出 辛苦的來給予我們共同參與立法的過程的話那過去八年 民進黨全面執政 民進黨國會過半的時候為什麼沒有想過要幫國會助理來增加一點點待遇呢 |
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這才是重點我們不希望每一次討論都是口諱而實不至每一次站在這個台上都在講說我們也希望能夠共同努力但是從頭到尾沒有看到民進黨委員的版本剛剛牛水婷講得非常保守啊 |
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因為過去到現在當民進黨全面執政國會多數的時候想要討論這一塊也被民進黨自己給阻擋下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[808].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[808].text |
最後一開始有講是說不要我們有自肥所謂的自肥所以我們等一下會再討論下一個條文的時候實施日期就從第12屆立法委員就職日開始實施我們現在看到制度的不足我們現在看到制度有可以增進的地方我們來做負責任的修法讓下一屆的立法院能夠來施行何錯之有 |
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| transcript.whisperx[809].end |
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鬼也是你神也是你什麼都要你們在講拜託行行好當助理同仁陪同我們一起來開會的時候到底是誰在增加助理的權益而誰又在阻擋請各位助理同仁好好的睜大雙眼看清楚謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].start |
42775.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].end |
42784.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].text |
好 我們現在開始進行表決台灣民眾黨團在修正動議條文現在有民進黨團台灣民眾黨團要求記名表決我們開始進行記名表決贊成台灣民眾黨團在修正動議條文 請按贊成反對 請按反對時間一分鐘 現在開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].start |
42871.175 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].end |
42871.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].text |
我們現在進行第35條請宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[812].end |
42906.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].text |
委員 紐許庭的提案第35條本法自公佈日實行本法中華民國96年11月30日及12月7日修正之條文自立法院第7屆立法委員就職日起實行本法中華民國115年1月30日修正之條文自115年1月1日實行 |
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| transcript.whisperx[813].text |
台灣民眾黨黨團修正動議第35條本法自公佈日施行本法中華民國96年11月30日及12月7日修正之條文自立法院第7屆立法委員就職日起施行本法中華民國115年1月30日修正之條文自立法院第12屆立法委員就職日起施行之 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[814].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[814].text |
臺灣民眾黨黨團再修正統議第35條本法自公佈日施行本法中華民國96年11月30日及12月7日修正之條文自立法院第7屆立法委員就職日起施行本法中華民國115年1月30日修正之條文自立法院第12屆立法委員就職日起施行宣布完畢現在以登記順序發言並截止發言登記首先我們請中嘉賓委員發言王逸川委員請準備 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].start |
42976.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[815].text |
國民黨派了一個牛許庭委員講了三次 要漏氣四次因為底下的陳玉珍幫他又多漏氣了一次 |
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| transcript.whisperx[816].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[816].text |
為什麼呢因為他剛剛很興奮的拿一個條文給我看他說憲法正用條文第八條剛好那個時候我在當國民大會代表他說立法委員之報酬或待遇應以法律定之除年度通案調整外單獨增加報酬或待遇之規定 |
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| transcript.whisperx[817].end |
43019.665 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].text |
因字次借起實施講得很好啊如果這個條文真的就是增加立法委員的待遇或報酬當然要定在法律裡面啊要用下借實施嘛再度的自證己罪這個就是被自己認為這是立法委員自己的待遇 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[818].end |
43047.024 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].text |
我們知道嗎 剛剛沈波洋委員有提到立法委員的待遇從哪裡來大家有沒有想到立法委員刑非法第13條立法委員待遇是自己比照中央部會首長之標準啊如果真的要調高立委的待遇 調這第13條而且次界才能適用符合政協條文第8條的規定完完全全 正正確確 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].start |
43048.476 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].end |
43069.643 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].text |
國民黨不由此圖 要修改這個條文剛剛我們莊委會一直誇獎陳玉珍委員說 假班開大門走大路要幫忙除罪化 其實除罪有兩種 失之有兩種如果這個條文修過了 能有助於目前國民黨內因為助理費而受到官司困擾的某位原委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[820].end |
43089.548 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].text |
那麼剛剛我們莊委員也說了沒有用因為在修法之前你這個事情作用的關係控白刑法沒有辦法發生作用但是沈伯拉委員也說了如果從下一屆開始實施立法委員把助理會放到自己口袋裡就完全沒有辦法判罪啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].start |
43090.222 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].end |
43101.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].text |
除罪除不了嚴委員的罪但是除罪可以除掉十二屆如果牛委員再度當選他這時候光明正大拿這筆錢是不會犯法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].start |
43102.768 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].end |
43129.217 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].text |
所以呢我們要告訴你們除罪的效果救不了其他的委員救不了現在的委員保得住以後的委員所以我還是要再說明一下可能我們要的三訴當然很疑惑為什麼這個條文在第二項的時候寫本法中華民國九十六年十一月三十日及十二月七日修正這條文自立法院第七屆開始實施呢因為第七屆立法院的選舉在九十七年一月十三號 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].start |
43131.223 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].end |
43155.108 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].text |
就剛好是在第六屆的立委的最後的一個月的最後的院會修了這樣的一個立法院組織法拿給第七屆的立法委員用這個不是自肥什麼是自肥如果國民黨真的要下屆試用不用今天等到2027年、2028年再來修法不要浪費大家的時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].start |
43157.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].end |
43161.706 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].text |
好 謝謝鍾嘉斌委員的發言 接下來我們請王一川委員發言 劉許廷委員請準備主席 剛才這個國民黨第一位委員 阿凱阿 阿凱阿今天說什麼民進黨沒版本 你就是都沒來開會 侯孟愷你就是沒來開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].start |
43181.974 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].end |
43204.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].text |
今年12月 許智傑啊 拿一個叫立法委員公會助理任用法一般司法法治委員會有開會啦 人家都有討論過 那是你沒來 還要還要更認真咧趴下趴下 趴下 比較不中情這張給牛市廷講就好 你敢不敢 你就卡到鼻子不能講 趕快講 趕快鬧了第二 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].start |
43209.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[826].text |
這個國民黨想說我要從這條民眾黨來跟你們鬥三天你們不知道你們去給民眾黨駭到柴子要走哪裡民眾黨的這個修正版本啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].start |
43220.886 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].end |
43233.993 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].text |
那個說明欄為什麼這麼多情策呢?這領光發光要用的時候要看民眾黨修正版本的說明欄我現在在告訴你們幾件事?乾淨的事你起來我們改!這說明欄要不然你叫民眾黨改說明欄他怎麼說呢?他說這因為單獨政策報酬後代議 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[828].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[828].text |
所以要次階開可以實施第32條第二項規定其性質為立法委員不是會讓人屬立法委員待遇調整之範疇 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].start |
43254.696 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].end |
43281.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].text |
屬於立法委員待遇調整之範疇民眾黨跟國民黨說說這條不是什麼處理啦這條是立法委員的待遇啦待遇喔 說得簡單的叫做心碎啦立法委員要自維的調心碎民眾黨的意思是說 如果要自己調心碎要在後一階開始民眾黨定義非常的清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].start |
43282.259 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].end |
43309.355 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].text |
所以後面如果法官要引用你不可以引用陶晋的要用後面的說明欄在立法會討論的規定都要成為法官的心臟你千勝萬勝不算就說民眾黨六個今天要離開 最好把你衝一招衝了 整個都解剖了你有沒有看到我看你現在在看文章看到 請你注意民眾黨大衝一招衝到你海底要走過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].start |
43312.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].end |
43341.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].text |
好 謝謝王一川委員的發言接下來接下來我們請劉許廷委員發言沈伯陽委員請準備謝謝主席這次院會大概是本席的名字被提最多次的時候這很多人知道都不知道我這名字中間這個是念許今天應該大家都知道了謝謝大家 |
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| transcript.whisperx[832].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[832].text |
這個今天這個三分鐘的時間我想要跟大家報告一下這個立法修正的過程很多人講說這個法案是近乎二讀最後會出現借屍還魂的突襲版本我很早就跟大家講絕對不會發生這樣的事情原因是這樣的我們的立法院有黨團協商的制度之所以有協商冷凍期就是希望大家善用這樣子的一個時間理性的溝通讓修出來的法案有很好的品質可以各方的執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].start |
43367.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].end |
43377.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[833].text |
我的辦公室從2015年的1月7號就已經炒你了第一份國會助理的家信2025年謝謝你的提醒2025年的1月7號就已經炒你了 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].start |
43379.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].end |
43407.056 |
| transcript.whisperx[834].text |
就已經草擬了第一份的助理加薪法案在這樣法案的一個過程之中我們各方溝通出現了這樣子的一個修法的契機之後我們跟工會開了無數次的會大家都說立法院的助理工會好像沒有發揮功能但我從不這麼認為當助理們團結起來為自己的待遇團結喊聲的時候我們就應該有人去回應去試著納入他們的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[835].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[835].end |
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所以也才有了剛剛發言的時候我講的很多奇奇怪怪的歷史故事但為了請幫老人家稍存體面我就不再贅述了 |
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但助理工會的期待一直都很單純希望有資深加緊 希望有專業加緊 希望有各項的津貼補助不希望國會助理在這個政治工作裡面是被遺忘的一群人因此在這一個月的協商冷凍期裡面我們一方面跟助理工會密切的對話跟溝通二方面我們也要跟這個法案通過之後最大的執行機關立法院來進行密切的溝通 |
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為什麼會出現日出條款是因為我們在跟立法院溝通的時候立法院的秘書長提醒我們這個從法律上的解釋來講它廣泛上因為是補助所以它當然屬於待遇的一環這是法律定性的問題既然如此 |
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修正之後你必然要附帶日出條款否則可能會被宣告違憲立法院的建議我們當然應該採納我們也跟各方溝通很多人講這是民眾黨的修正動議版本但你真的覺得民眾黨的修正動議跟國民黨之間不會進行合理的溝通嗎 |
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修正這個法案我們說服了黨內黨團大部分的全部的成員也說服了民眾黨黨團的成員共提了修正動議我們確定這一份通過的法案立法院可以順利的執行我們也保留了立法院設計相關機制的一些準備的時間所以大家可以放心這樣子的法案就是一部徹徹底底的助理加薪法案沒有自肥也不是什麼除罪這些民進黨委員提出來的廢話可以差不多得了感謝 |
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謝謝牛許廷委員的發言 謝謝我們接下來謝謝我們接下來請沈伯陽委員請發言莊瑞雄委員請準備 |
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我是希望牛許廷委員不要再上來發言了就像剛剛嘉賓委員講的 越講越多錯啦第一個呢 講到淨富二讀這件事情我們民進黨是有版本的就跟你們之前國會改革一樣啊把我們的版本全部都丟包啊再來你說跟助理工會討論助理工會的參與率 助理工會現在有辦法依照現在的參與率去代表所有的助理嗎 |
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所以這個狀況就是你現在越上來講就越讓大家知道這個程序有多麼不合理我那天問立法院所以如果按照這樣修的話要增加多少的支出?粗估大概六億請問六億的費用直接進富二讀是合理嗎? |
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這不需要在委員會好好討論嗎你丟包我們的法案丟包我們的預算丟包我們任何的改革然後號稱說在幫助我們其實根本就不是你們只不過是為了自己只不過是為了圖利只不過是為了除罪化 |
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而這些程序完全夫之缺乳要是今天有在委員會好好討論的話到底哪一些補助然後呢最後從哪一些預算來指引這不是清清楚楚嗎再來剛剛還提到協商很不好意思協商我都有參加 |
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我協商所提出來的問題 剛剛也都提過我協商所提出來的意見你們一次都沒有採納我再講一次你剛剛說這個就是按照現行的法制來編列好 那為什麼你要把那個依照立法院編列直接要把它改成補助費呢你不用改啊 |
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如果就是按照現行法制你幹嘛要改那個文字為什麼要提新的修法理由這就是給法院武器嘛就是給他新的解釋嘛而且我再說一次按照你講的如果今天就是為了助理就是為了增加大家的福利那很簡單因為現在國人有疑慮認為說你在幫這一個所謂的虛報還有所謂的回捐在除罪化你只要加一句話就好 |
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說只要未來有這個所謂的虛報的有所謂人頭助理的有所謂回圈的仍然回歸貪污條例仍然回歸刑法的使公務員登載不實這樣不就結束了嗎這樣我們今天就不要浪費時間耶加幾個字就好啦 |
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你只要告訴大家本來說是違法的那個繼續就是違法我們國民黨不會為違法背書就那幾個字今天大家鼓掌通過說我們要幫這個所謂的助理來增加福利不就解決了嗎我在協商提了多少次一次都沒有回應我剛剛在32條第一個發言也講過也一樣沒有回應為什麼不敢寫嘛連今天說一件事情是違法都不敢寫那你不就是在為違法富豪嗎 |
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所以拜託國人不要再被他們騙了從頭到尾就像剛剛翊川委員講的就是透過修法理由要給法院一個武器讓他們有一個新的解釋方式實時達到除罪化謝謝 |
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主席 各位我們立法院的同仁 各位媒體朋友其實已經最後一個了心情還是很沉重國民黨提出這個案子會造成什麼樣的影響我相信中國國民黨在場的委員我就不談民眾黨了你們有幾個人看過條文你們如果仔細去看的話你會發現這個條文多不合理三個條文而已 |
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32條裡面他所講的第一個我們產生的爭議說你把他定性成變成是立法委員的補助費這第一個社會華藍會認為你是要除罪話任何有一點點嘗試的人稍微感覺一下就知道這個法案不尋常第二個 |
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你再去把它看看你所在32條你這第三項裡面所提到的是說按照每一位立法委員每年稅費的五倍的公費為什麼是五倍你為什麼不加一個五倍為上限 |
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你為什麼要預留一個國會議員可以去用人頭可以去用虛報來把這些該屬於公費助理該屬於人民的納稅錢的人民的名字名單把它讓立法委員放到口袋裡面去加幾個字就可以了33條是一樣啊 |
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我看國民黨上來以後你們認為好像是這一次我當助理爭取到好多的福利你們想為這個法案來賺一點政治上的紅利門都沒有為什麼從陳玉珍的版本要把他除作話 |
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到社會活動裡面恐慌了以後你們進付二讀提出這樣的一個修正案你們本來是要到監獄裡面去截球被逮到了社會大眾說國民黨他們要去截球要去除酒了你們馬上穿上聖誕老公公的衣服說不是我們是聖誕節來發餅乾你們這種心態社會大眾怎麼會不知道 |
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如果說你們真的是為助理好朝野協商我就跟你們講啦加幾個字啊不可以虛用人頭啊不可以虛報啊加幾個字民進黨馬上簽字你們不敢啊為什麼不敢這個案子通過沒完沒了到了法院以後全部都是爭議 |
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每一位打官司的人都跟你講立法院已經通過了那是屬於立法委員的實質補助啊那是我的實質薪資的一範圍一部分啊為什麼我們立個法我們先給你示警你們全部都不聽你們還用偷渡禁夫惡毒的方法好 謝謝專委選委員的反應 謝謝 |
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花園黑我們現在開始進行處理我們表決台灣民眾黨團在修正動議條文現在有民進黨團台灣民眾黨團要求記名表決我們記名表決時間一分鐘贊成台灣民眾黨團在修正動議條文請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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抱怨會報告表決結果出席委員108位贊成60位反對48位贊成者多數第35條照台灣民眾黨團再修正動議條文通過 |
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請按贊成 反對 請按反對時間一分鐘 現在開始 |
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報告委員會報告表決結果出席108位贊成60位反對48位贊成者多數本案繼續進行三讀請宣讀經過二讀這條文 |
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第三十二条 立法委员每人得至公费处理八人之十字人由委员聘用前与其后进退 并使用劳动基础法制规定但公费处理离职后六个月内 再让公费处理者其工作年资因与病迹立法委员应每年以公务预算编列下列立法委员补助费用一 每一立法委员办公事务费用 |
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2.按每一立法委员每年税费5倍之公费助理工资及以劳动法令规定应由雇主负担之相关费用3.公费助理之专业加给4.公费助理之资深加给5.公费助理实施健康检查及文康活动费用6.公费助理之年终工作奖金7.公费助理之在职进修费用8.公费助理之服务金 |
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其上第一款费用之项目及标准如附表在中华民国102年1月1日实行第二项第二款之第八款补助费用由立法院代理立法院给付第二项第三款专业家籍以公费助理领有下列证书之一者为限同时领有多种证书者除考试级的证书及职业证书则依采集一次外并得与累计 |
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1.律师或会计师考试级的证书律师或会计师证书但受惩戒于停止执行职业务期间或曾受署名之惩戒处分者不适用之2.司法官考试公务人员法治会计或关税会计类科考试级的证书但曾受免除职务确实剥夺或减少退休职务金或休职之惩戒处分者不适用之 |
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3.公立婚姻法利亚日斯利大学或符合教育部裁判规定之国外大学硕士以上学位证书但仅采集最高学位证书一次2.第四款资深家籍以公费助理年资在四年以上缴线2.第三款及第四款家籍由公费助理检举相关证明文件经所属立法委员审核后向立法院提出并依下列规定自提出日期发给 |
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请不吝点赞 订阅 转发 打赏支持明镜与点点栏目请不吝点赞 订阅 转发 打赏支持明镜与点点栏目请不吝点赞 订阅 转发 打赏支持明镜与点点栏目 |
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三 领友公务人员普通考试或特准考试四等会计或关税会计类科考试级的证书证每月新台币一万元四 领友硕士学位证书证每月新台币三千元五 领友博士学位证书证每月新台币一万二千元 |
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6.年次在4年上8年未满整每月新台币6000元7.年次在8年上12年未满整每月新台币8000元8.年次在12年上整每月新台币1万元能有第二项第三款专业交集之人有第五项第一款单书或 |
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或第二款代书之进行时,因此事实发生之日起30日内,将据相关资料通知所属立法委员及立法院,并自事实发生之次月起,停止发给专业佳绩,未通知而致意领或其证书由速及近往实习效率之行行者,并因返还已确定之专业佳绩,及因此所受领之年终工作奖金。 |
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由一領婚姻返還專業家計及年終工作獎金遵行者立法院應輸免 並且於30日內返還藉其人為返還者移送行政執行第二項第五款費用之對象項目方法標準及其他應遵行之事項由立法院列定之自中華民國114年1月1日實行 |
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第二项第六款年终工作奖金以公费助理月支工资专业家及其资深家及之和技术比较军工教育员年终工作奖金方给月数方给支第二项第七款费用以补助年资在一年上市公费助理经所属立法委员同意于公余时间至公立或依法立案之次立大学入学清修或选修学分较为限每一立法委员及党团每学期至多补助二人 |
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公費助理在職勤修所修課目成績均及格且平均達70分以上或相當難節奏每學期補助其學費雜費學分費學費學雜費及學雜費基數之勤修費有三分之二但每人每學期補助金額不等於新台幣2萬元 |
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第二项第八款抚慰金以公费处理与聘用期间或依法令留职停薪期间死亡者违宪一次发给请移属新台币70万元并比照劳工退休金条例移属前领退休金顺位及方式办理但故意自杀拒补致死或无移属者不予发给 |
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第三十三条 每届立法委员选举当选席次党三席且席次交通至五个政党 得各组成党团席次相同时 以抽签决定组成之立法委员以其所属政党参加党团每一政党以组成一党团为线每一党团至少需维持三人以上未能以前项规定组成党团之政党或五党执政委员 得加入其他党团党团为党五个时 得合组四人以上之政团 |
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依第四項將名單送交人事處之政團以席次交託者優先組成黨政團總數合計以五個為限前項政團准有有關黨團之規定各黨團應於每年首次會期開議日前一日將各黨團所屬委員名單經黨團負責人簽名後送交人事處以公認定委員所參加之黨團 |
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请不吝点赞 订阅 转发 打赏支持明镜与点点栏目 |
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前线限制公费助理于中华民国87年3月1日至94年6月30日间由各党团领选并由其对外政委人或该政党聘用并实际服务于党团之助理联资的办理劳动基准法 |
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報院會三讀條文已經宣讀完畢請問院會有文字修正 |
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44557.236 |
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沒有文字修正我們現在有國民黨團依據立法院自宣刑事法第十一條規定提請將全案負表決我們現在要進行全案表決贊成全案通過者請按贊成反對者請按反對棄權者請按棄權現在有民進黨黨團要求記名表決我們開始進行記名表決時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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報告表決結果,在場委員108位贊成60位,反對48位贊成者多數,全案表決通過我們現在做以下決議立法院主持法第32條,第33條及第35條條文修正通過 |
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本案完成立法程序後由委員登記發言我們開始進行並截止發言登記首先我們請陳培宇委員發言 牛許廷委員請準備 |
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各位同仁先說聲晚安雖然是塞堵後發言但我想要快速的總結這一個會期整個立法院到底發生了多少荒謬的事情到目前為止總預算延宕155天到目前為止國防預算沒有辦法交付委員會審查討論到目前為止院版才化法依然卡在程序委員會我要告訴大家這個會期 |
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藍白共同推了哪些荒謬的法案第一個衛廣法也就是中天條款第二個黨產條例也就是救國團檔案第三個二修才化法就是自己先修了一個最爛的版本再想要自己救自己接下來還有地方制度法也就是所謂的李四川條款還有年金倒退改革的法案還有眷改條例 |
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獨立特定族群還有公事法卡了台灣的公事實質運作這就是這一季的藍白所做的荒謬事情我還要告訴大家藍白還提了非常多的荒謬提案新興計畫不可審總預算只敢談新興計畫的預算動之甚至譴責卓院長還提了一個打假球的賴清德總統彈劾案 |
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不要民進黨過關的譴責案就是不願意共同譴責軍演在這個荒謬的時刻我要拜託國人一起記得當國民黨的總召國民黨的主席國民黨的前總統拼命在向中共示好但是民進黨的總召民進黨的主席跟民進黨的總統是跟台灣的民主法治站在一起向國際的民主友人喊話我們希望叫更多民主的朋友 |
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我要告訴大家台灣人值得更好的負責任政治台灣人值得一個民主負責政治請大家一起向前看摒棄這些不要臉親中舔共賣台的立法委員好 辛苦 謝謝陳培瑞的發言接下來我們請劉許廷委員 還有侯孟楷委員請準備 |
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謝謝主席 各位同仁我是立法院在野黨黨團最年輕的立法委員 |
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我從事政治工作的核心價值跟最重要的信念跟目標就是透過自身的參與政治鼓勵更多的青年才俊願意投入政治工作我們今天小有成就是希望能夠鼓勵更多學法正相關學有所長的年輕人可以不再害怕政治勇敢地投入這一行因此我們對於基層政治工作者的待遇一直都有所要求 |
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在這段時間遭受各式各樣的非議但是為了信念我和我的辦公室同仁選擇勇往直前在這個過程中我要特別感謝我的辦公室主任曾益成法案主任黃沐毅他們是這部法案背後催生最重要的力量 |
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我們要謝謝國會助理工會的隨時提點跟經驗分享讓我們在法條設計的時候能夠兼顧理想與現實謝謝國民黨團充分的授權讓我可以自在的溝通找出最好的平衡點也謝謝民眾黨今天最後一天堅守立法院我們的戰友可以一起完成這些民進黨多數都沒有辦法完成的重要的工程 |
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國會助理是很多很多政治工作者的第一站我只是希望他們有更好的待遇他們能夠受到社會的尊重如此而已謝謝大家 |
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主席各位同仁牛許廷委員是第十一屆藍營最年輕的立委我是第十屆藍營最年輕的立委我其實本來不想發言但我沒有辦法忍受當執政黨所有的委員輪方上台砲轟針對我們特定的某一個委員很抱歉我們要講我們理直氣順但我們更重要的是我們是一個團結的群體我們不會接受任何 |
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群體政黨對我們的政黨工作者有任何一絲一毫的惡意攻擊跟抹黑造謠牛許廷委員在這個過程裡面找了助理工會找了立法院法治局找了相關單位來回修正討論持續溝通就是希望能夠增進立法院助理的專業佳績以及品質 |
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這樣子的一個做法居然被站著說話不腰疼過去八年沒有處理我們現在處理了我們希望的是能夠讓未來台灣的立法院有更好的助理待遇以提升我們全體的立法品質 |
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這是我們共同的目標也是共同的期許我們更要講我們現在過去以及未來不會讓我們任何一個立委同仁孤單因為我們會群體群力繼續為台灣繼續為全民打拚跟奮鬥最後今天剛剛大家也釐清一一從早上的國事論壇我就一直提到感謝民眾黨過去六位委員兩年的時間我們充分配合 |
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讓台灣的主流民意能夠彰顯未來我們一定會繼續努力台灣最難能可貴的地方在於多元包容而主流民意就是我們永遠的堅持祝福藍天永存白雲再現而藍天白雲共同為台灣為中華民國加油謝謝侯某凱文的發言謝謝報告委員會 |
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國安委員會我們現在休息十分鐘十分鐘之後我們繼續進行藥事法跟藥害救濟法兩個法案的討論現在休息 |
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我們現在進行討論事項第六案要是法部分條文修正草案請宣讀審查報告 |
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本院社會福利及衛生環境委員會召開全體委員會議審查 召開草案會議由劉肇吉委員兼國擔任主席邀請田委員說明條要旨衛生福利部政務次長林靜穎說明條要旨回應委員田恩備備質詢令法務部經濟部引要列席備詢 |
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我們現在請召集委員劉建國委員補充說明沒有補充說明本案今後審查會決議不須再交由黨團協商請問院會有異議 |
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本案進一審查會議件進行處理我們現在進行逐條討論再補充也謝謝陳培瑜委員陪同我們一起來審查法案也謝謝黃國昌委員陪同我們一起來審查法案要是法請宣讀第二七條之二 |
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第二十七条之二药商持有经中央卫生主管机关公告为必要药品之许可证者应就该许可证药品之制造输入及供应情形定期向中央卫生主管机关申报前项药商有无法继续制造输入或不足供应该药品之余时应正常于六个月前向中央卫生主管机关通报因天灾或其他不可规则之事由而未及通报者因自事时发生之次日期三十日内 |
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向中央衛生主管機關通報第一項申報之方式內容範圍其間與前項通報之方式內容及其他相關事項之辦法由中央衛生主管機關定之宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過請宣讀增訂第二七條之三 |
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第二十七条之三,中央卫生主管机关与之息具有药品许可增值药品,有供应不足之余时,得将该情形登录于公开网站,并得专案核准该药品或其地带药品之制造或输入,不受第三十九条规定之限制。中央卫生主管机关为因应紧急或重大影响公共卫生事件,得就前项具有药品许可增值药品或专案核准制造输入之药品,限制其供应之范围,其间数量、对象方式或为其他限制措施。 |
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第一项登录作业专栏核准之申请条件审查程序审查基准核准之废止及其他应遵行事项之办法由中央卫生主管机关定之宣读完毕照审查会条件通过请宣读第48条之二 |
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第四指法條之二有下列執行之一者中央衛生主管機關的專案核准特定藥品之製造或輸入不受第39條規定之限制一為預防診治危及生命或嚴重失能之疾病且國內上無適當藥品或合適定來療法二因應緊急或重大影響公共衛生情勢之需要有下列執行之一者中央衛生主管機關的廢止前項核准必要捨得另一申請者就未使用之藥品限期處理或回收一已有許 |
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已有取得许可证之药品或有合适替代疗法可提供前项第一款情势之需要二 紧急或重大影响公共卫生情势已终结三 药品经中央卫生主管经过评估却有影响用药安全或医疗效能疑虑第一项专案和选择申请条件审查程序审查精准及其他应遵行事项之办法由中央卫生主管经过定之宣读完毕照审查会条文通过第55条维持现行条文请宣读第80条 |
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第80條 藥物有下列情形之一 其製造或輸入之業者應即通知醫療機構 藥局及藥商並依規定期限收回市售品 聯同庫存品以並依本法有關規定處理1 原理有許可證 經公告禁止製造或輸入2 經醫法認定為未藥 劣藥或禁藥3 經醫法認定為不良醫療器材或未經核准而製造輸入之醫療器材 |
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四 药物制造工厂经检查发现其药物确有损害使用者生命 身体或健康这事实会有损害之余五 制造输入药物许可证未申请展言或不准展言六 其他金中央卫生主管尽管公告应回收 |
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製造輸入業者回收前項各款藥物時醫療機構、藥局及藥商應與配合第一項應回收這藥物其分級處置方法回收作業實施方式及其他應遵詢試上之辦法由中央衛生福利儲管機關定之宣讀完畢造審會條文通過請宣讀第94條 |
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第九十四條違反第三十四條第一項第七十三條第二項第八十條第一項第五款及第六款或第二項規定之一者除新台幣二萬元上十萬元下罰款宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過請宣讀第九十六條之一 |
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第九十六條之一藥商違反第四十八條之一規定者除新台幣十萬元上二百萬元下罰還且經衛生主管機關令其限期改善藉其為改善者將被處罰並按次處罰藥商問議第二十七條之二第一項規定申報或申報是內容不實或問議統條第二項規定之期限通報者中央衛生主管機關等公佈該藥商名稱地址負責人姓名藥品名稱及違反情節 |
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| transcript.whisperx[914].text |
請結註納貨暫時違反者 並得處心台幣六萬元以上 三十萬元下罰款右上為本中央衛生主管機關一第二十七條十三第二項規定所為之限制措施者由中央衛生主管機關處心台幣六萬元以上 三十萬元下罰款並令其限期改善 即其未改善者按自處罰宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過 請宣讀第106條 |
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第106條本法自公佈日施行本法中華民國95年5月30日修正公佈之條文自95年7月1日施行本法中華民國86年5月7日修正公佈之第53條107年1月31日修正公佈之第四章之一第92條 |
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第一百條及第一百條之一一百十五年一月三十日修正之第二十七條之二第二十七條之三及第九十六條之一其實行日期由行政院定之宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過報院會全案已經經過二讀現在三個黨團分別提議繼續進行三讀求院會有異議沒有異議我們請宣讀經過二讀這條文 |
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第二十七条之二药商持有经中央卫生主管机关公告为必要药品之许可证证应就该许可证药品之制造输入及供应情形定期向中央卫生主管机关宣报前项药商有无法继续制造输入或不足供应该药品之预示应至少于六个月前向中央卫生主管机关通报应添加或其他不可规则之事由而未及通报者应自事实发生之次日起三十日内向中央卫生主管机关通报 |
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第一項申報之方式內容範圍其間與前項通報之方式內容及其他相關事項之辦法由中央衛生主管機關定之 |
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第二十七条是三中央卫生主管机关于知悉具有药品许可证之药品有供应不足之余时可将该进行登录于公开网站并得专案核准跟药品或其电弹药品制造或输入不受第三十九条规定之限制中央卫生主管机关为因紧急或重大影响公共卫生事件得就其项具有药品许可证之药品或专案核准制造输入之药品 |
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限制其供应制范围期间数量对象方式或为其他限制措施第一项登录作业专核准之申请条件审查程序审查基准核准之废止及其他应遵喜事项之办法由中央卫生主管机关定制 |
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第48条之二有下令执行之一者中央卫生主管请问的专案核准特定药品之制造或输入不受第39条规定之限制一为预防诊治危及生命或严重是能治疾病且国内尚无适当药品或合适的疗法 |
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2.因应紧急或重大影响公共卫生情势之需要,有下令进行之一,整个中央卫生主管机关的废纸钱箱和证必用时得令申请者就会使用之药品限期处理或回收。1.已有取得许可证之药品或有合适天台疗法可提供钱箱的第一款情势之需要。2.紧急或重大影响公共卫生情势已终结。 |
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3.藥品進行中央衛生主管機關評估卻有影響用藥安全或醫療效能疑慮第一項專案核准之申請條件審查程序、審查基準及其他因罪形式上之辦法由中央衛生主管機關定之 |
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第八十條 藥物有下列情形之一其製造或輸入之業者應及通知醫療機構 藥局及藥商並依規定期限收回市售品 連同庫存品以並依本法有關規定處理一 原林有許可證 經公告禁止製造或輸入二 經醫法認定為未藥 劣藥或禁藥 |
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三 经医法认定为不良医疗器材或未经核准而制造输入之医疗器材四 药物制造工厂经检查发现其药物确有损害使用者生命身体或健康之事实或有损害之余五 制造输入药物许可证未申请展言或不准展言 |
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六 其他經中央衛生主管機關公告應回收製造輸入業者回收前項各款藥物時醫療機構藥局及藥商應與配合第一項應回收這藥物其分級處置方法回收作業實施方式及其能應遵行事項之辦法由中央衛生福利主管機關定之第九十四條違反第三十四條第一項第七十三條第二項第八十條第一項第五款及第六款或第二項規定之疑者處心臺比二位元首十萬元相反還 |
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第96條之一 藥商違反第48條之一規定者除新台幣10萬元以上200萬元相保還其經衛生主管儘管令其限期改善即其為改善者將被處罰並按次處罰藥商違依第20條之二第一項規定申報或申報之內容不實或違依同條第二項規定之期限通報者 |
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中央衛生主管機關的公佈該藥商名稱、地址、負責人姓名、藥品名稱及違反情節情節重大或暫時違反者並得處新台幣6萬元以上、30萬元相罰還藥商違反中央衛生主管機關一第27條13第二項規定所謂之限制措施者由中央衛生主管機關處新台幣6萬元以上、30萬元相罰還並另期限其改善即其未改善者按次處罰 |
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第106條本法自公佈日施行本法中華民國95年5月30日修正公佈之條文在95年7月1日施行本法中華民國86年5月7日修正公佈之第53條第107年1月31日修正公佈之第4章之一 |
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第92條之一 第100條及第100條之一115年1月30日修正之第27條之二 第27條之三及第96條之一其實行日期由行政院定之宣讀完畢報院會三讀條文已經宣讀完畢請問院會有文字修正 |
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沒有文字修正我們現在做以下決議要是法增訂第27條之3條文並將第27條之2第48條之2第80條第94條第96條之1及第106條條文修正通過繼續處理審查會所做之附帶決議請議事人宣讀附帶決議之內容 |
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通過附帶決議二項行政機關與後續訂定相關辦法時應參佐世界衛生組織及其後續修正所揭示的公共衛生風險分級與評估原則予以具體規範二請衛生福利部與後續訂定第27條之三相關辦法 |
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及配套措施時建立跨機關及跨利害關係人士溝通與討論平台納入藥品製造或供應者及醫療院所等意見宣讀完畢請問院會有無異議沒有異議我們決定照案通過我們先進行完成立法程序後之委員登記發言並截止發言登記首先請陳昭之委員發言 林倩琦委員請準備 |
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主席 各位同事 這是藥事法醫台灣民眾黨的版本完成刪讀感謝食藥署在這個過程當中持續跟業界溝通也謝謝外環的同仁能夠支持我們黨的附帶決議這次修法牽動的是藥品供應的韌性 健保制度的運作還有藥商醫療院所跟病人之間高度複雜的責任關係 |
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那條文當中所稱的這個緊急或重大影響公衛事件是一個影響範圍很廣一旦啟動會這個重大的這個後果也非常重大的法律概念所以不能只停留在抽象的用語本黨的負債決議要求衛福部在後續訂立相關的這個 |
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需要辦法使能夠參考國際關注公衛緊急事件的概念把適用範圍判斷標準跟啟動程序具體化那麼其次藥品是否短缺如何替代以及它實際用量如何掌握都是牽涉到食藥署醫事司健保署以及藥商及醫療院所的實務運作所以我們也要求衛福部在訂定相關的作業辦法的時候能夠建立跨機關 |
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跨利害關係人的協作跟溝通平台我們反覆強調這個法律賦予主管的這個機關權限應該是為了因應真正的公共危機而不是未來日後管理的一個便宜的工具因此不論是供應行為的這個限制措施或是後續的行政處理都應該要根據這個 |
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比例原則跟正當的程序給予廠商陳述的意見跟機會避免因為資料錯估或是資訊的落差直接被認為是不實的申報不實受到處罰我們重點就是把制度能夠界限程序責任可克則我們現在用專業跟可克則性的這個基礎 |
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確保資源用在對的地方讓藥品供應的韌性成為不只是口號而是讓台灣的醫療體系成為一個真正下一代的護國神山謝謝好 謝謝陳昭智委員的發言 謝謝我們接下來請林倩琦委員發言羅廷維委員請準備 |
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院長、立院同仁、還有媒體朋友跟全國民眾大家好我們今天完成藥事法修正的三讀我們將從近年缺藥的風險與公共衛生經驗來出發來補強我國必要藥品供應的制度韌性讓政府在面對供應風險與公共衛生挑戰時有更及時、有效的因應工具 |
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首先 加强国家对前端风险的及时掌握持有必要药品许可证的药商应该要定期向主管机关来申报药品的制造 输入及供应情形包括现有的库存 过去的每月货量以及未来供应的规划这让政府能够在药品短缺之前就提早预警 |
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提早介入避免供應失衡演變成用藥的危機另外呢針對藥品供應不足的情形修法也可以強化即時調度的權限當藥品總供應量不足以因應當前需求的時候主管機關可以專案申請核准來製造或輸入不受既有的數量或程序的一個限制確保民眾必要用藥不中斷 |
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更進一步的是在緊急重大影響公共衛生事件下主管機關得救專案核准藥品對其供應範圍期間數量對象或方式來採取必要的限制措施兼顧藥品公平分配與全國用藥的可敬性並擴大公共衛生事件的試用範圍不再僅限於急迫性的事件而涵蓋對公共衛生具有重大影響需要事前預防的風險情境 |
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讓制度更具前瞻性這次藥事法的修正來補齊制度的空白落實事前的治理讓政府在保障用藥安全跟維護公共衛生之間有更穩健的一個法律依據行政部門能盡快的完成配套修法落實資訊的一個申報及供應的監測而立法院也將持續的監督確保法律真正成為守護民眾健康權益的後盾 |
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謝謝林健吉委員的發言 謝謝接下來我們請羅廷輝委員發言 王振旭委員請準備 |
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兩年前政府的藥品在調度的時候嚴重失靈導致台灣發生了生理食鹽水輸液案短缺的亂象更嚴重的在後面衛福部在沒有明確的法源依據的情況之下進口未取得許可證的輸液供國人來使用 |
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一旦發生了要害事故受害者卻無法依要害救濟法獲得補償當時衛福部前部長邱部長竟然跟我說他沒有積極的爭取本土的藥廠反而在缺乏法源依據下人以類推適用為違法決策來辯護實在令人難以接受今天要釋法跟待會要害救濟法要修正 |
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也證實兩年前我在總質詢所揭發的行政弊端是國家帶頭違法的弊案在今年1月19 衛環委員會林靜怡次長也在當場終於為了兩年前違法進口輸液案跟國人道歉 |
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必須我們要重演我們要趕緊的來提醒政府在這一次的藥品供應的政策跟產業的支持要徹底的檢討才能夠避免整個歷史的重演本次藥事法跟藥害救濟法的修法就是預警更前端在救濟做後盾的一個核心同時透過了缺藥的主控我們要主動的來監控 |
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甚至是定時的我們要來申報的機制來掌握整個藥品的風險如今我們同時強化了專案的核准制度在確保用藥的制度下提升醫療的可進性並補強了整個藥害的救濟將專案進口的所有藥品納入保障我們做到了我們建立了這樣的機制預防在前 保障在後 |
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謝謝羅廷偉委員的發言 謝謝接下來我們請登記最後一位王振旭委員請發言 |
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主席 各位同仁 全國民眾鄉親今日藥事法及藥害救濟法修正案順利三讀讓臺灣的藥品供應管理從缺藥才處理的被動模式轉型為源頭有監測 危機有調度的國家級韌性體系藥品穩定供應是醫療體系的生命線 更是國安問題 |
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過去我們在缺藥發生後才被動處理實在是緩不及急透過要釋法的修正要求持有必要藥品許可證的藥商必須定期申報讓主管機關能夠從源頭掌握數據及早預警確保醫療前線的供應不中斷 |
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不再讓基層醫療體系陷入孤立無援其次我們強化非常實期的資源調度能力面對傳染病或者是國際供應鏈不穩本次修法賦予政府專案核准與精準分配的權限不僅要讓藥品能夠順利進來更要確保醫療資源能夠公平分送到最需要的國人手中建構一個更具應變能力的防護網 |
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最後,為了要確保這套韌性應變的機制能更趨於完成,我們同步修正了要害救濟法,將因應緊急需求而專案核准的藥品納入保障範圍,完成了法制的銜接。這是修法我們實踐的主動監測、精準調度、權益保障的三大目標。我們不僅要解決缺藥問題,更要打造一個藥品供應看得到、民眾用藥拿得到的強韌台灣。 |
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謝謝大家也祝大家新年快樂 |
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本院社會福利及衛生環境委員會召開全年委員會議審查商開草案會議由劉少傑委員建國擔任主席邀請提案委員說明提案要旨衛生福利部政務司長林靜儀說明提案要旨回應委員提案並被質詢另法務部經濟部應邀列席備詢 |
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現在請召集委員劉建國委員補充說明沒有補充說明本案經審查會決議不需再交由黨團協商請問院會有異議沒有異議本案經審查會意見進行處理現在進行逐條討論 |
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要害救濟法請宣讀第三條第三條本法用詞定如下一要害只因藥物不良反映致死亡障礙或嚴重疾病二合法藥物只領有主管境外合法藥物許可證或依藥事法第二十七條之三第一項第四十八條之二第一項第二款規定取得專核准依法製造輸入或販賣之藥物三正當使用只依醫藥專業人員之指示或藥物標示而為藥物之使用 |
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四不良反应只因使用药物对人体所产生之有害反应五障碍只符合身心障碍者权益保障法相关规定锁定身心障碍类别程度分歧者但不包括因心理因素所导致的情形六严重疾病只主管机关参照群民健康保险重大生病范围及药物不良反应通报规定锁定严重不良反应公告之疾病宣读完毕到审查会条文通过请宣读第28条 |
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第二十八條本法自公佈日實行本法中華民國一百一十五年一月三十日修正式第三條第二款有關要事法第二十七條之三第一項規定之實行日期由行政院定之宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過報院會全案經過二讀現在有三個黨團分別提議繼續進行三讀請問院會有異議沒有異議請宣讀經過二讀這條文 |
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第三條本法用詞定如下一 要害指引藥物不良反映致死亡障礙或嚴重疾病二 合法藥物指令有主管機關合法藥物許可證或依藥事法第27條之三第一項第48條之二第一項第二款規定取得專核證依法製造輸入或販賣之藥物三 正當使用指引醫藥專業人員之指示 |
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或药物标示而为药物之使用四不良反应只因使用药物对人体所产生之有害反应五障碍只符合身心障碍者权益保证法相关规定锁定身心障碍类别程度分级者单不包括因心理因素所导致这情形六严重疾病且主管机关参照全民健康保险重大伤病范围及药物不良反应通报规定锁列严重不良反应公告之疾病 |
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第二十八條本法自公佈日實行本法中華民國一百十五年一月三十日修正之第三條第二款有關要事法第二十七條之三第一項規定之實行日期由行政院定之宣讀完畢報議會三讀條文已經宣讀完畢請問院會有文字修正沒有文字修正我們現在做以下決議要害救濟法第三條及第二十八條條文修正通過 |
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我們現在進行完成立法程序後之發言並截止發言登記首先我們請也是唯一一位登記的林倩紀委員請發言 |
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好 院長 立恩同仁還有媒體朋友 全國民眾大家好今天我們完成的這個藥害救濟法的第三條跟第二十八條的這個條文三讀那實質上是回應近年來公共衛生政策與實質運作之間出現的這個制度落差那麼近年來因應重大公共衛生需求或醫療事件那麼主管機關的醫藥事法的規定得以用專案的方式來核准藥品的製造或輸入那麼這類藥品的存在本身就是為了 |
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回應全民醫藥的需求那麼具有高度的公共利益的性質然而現在的藥害救濟法對於合法藥物的定義僅限於零有藥品許可證的藥品沒有明確地將專案核准的藥品納入導致一個不太合理的情況發生也就是民眾來依法使用政府核准的藥品卻可能在不幸發生藥害時面臨救濟適用不明權益保障不足的一個風險 |
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這不僅是制度性的一個技術問題也是國家責任的問題那麼政府在特殊情境下要求民眾來配合用藥政策就應該更明確的要求其用藥安全跟救濟權益不能讓制度來出現真空因此本次修法是將這個藥事法 |
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专案核准的制造或输入的药品纳入合法药物的范畴使民众于正当使用下一旦发生的药害能够能够受到完整的药害救济制度的一个保障那么第二个部分是考量药事法已经明定专案核准制度的实行日期 |
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由行政院来定制那一同步增订施行的这个条款那么确保要害救济法与要事法在试用时间点上无缝衔接避免制度落差来影响民众的权益那么这次修法呢补齐了制度的缺口让依法用药的民众能够得到他们本来应有的保障那本席相信今天三读通过之后那么我们已经朝向一个更加周延也更贴近食物需求的要害救济制度跨出重要的 |
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雖然截至今天仍然有部分的議案 |
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朝野有不同的看法但是基於國會議長的職責國會再次呼籲朝野為了國家的發展仍應持續以對話取代對抗用溝通化解歧見共同為全國人民的福祉來努力本會期自114年9月19日開議至今院會一共通過了共78個議案包括66個法律案 |
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四項預決算案、副議案一案、人事同意權兩案以及其他議案五案在本會期延長至115年1月31日即將結束之際國會對於台灣民眾黨團部分委員即將離開立法院可以在此給予最大的感謝與祝福 |
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另外也要向本院所有的全體委員、黨團幹部、全體同仁、議事夥伴還有駐衛警同仁以及海內外關心立法院所有的好朋友們表達最高的敬意與謝意在歲末年初祝福大家新的一年新年快樂馬上幸福謝謝大家我們散會 |