| IVOD_ID |
17230 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17230 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-28T08:35:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-28T11:36:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:00:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77dbd3a2b43aa665e407537598d5d9174bd6e692bdb9a1e4797732e85e386fdb778d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查：本院委員林宜瑾等22人、委員劉建國等16人、委員徐巧芯等17人、委員李坤城等22人、委員廖先翔等19人、台灣民眾黨黨團、委員羅廷瑋等18人、委員郭昱晴等16人、委員林思銘等18人、委員洪孟楷等16人、蘇巧慧等17人、委員吳琪銘等17人、委員陳亭妃等16人分別擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草案」、委員呂玉玲等16人、委員張智倫等16人、委員葉元之等17人分別擬具「動物保護法第十條條文修正草案」、台灣民眾黨黨團、委員葉元之等17人分別擬具「動物保護法第二十五條之二條文修正草案」、委員林岱樺等21人擬具「動物保護法第十四條之一、第十四條之二及第三十條條文修正草案」、委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等16人擬具「動物保護法第二條及第十條條文修正草案」、委員呂玉玲等16人、委員楊瓊瓔等21人、委員張宏陸等17人、委員郭昱晴等16人分別擬具「動物保護法第二十五條及第二十五條之一條文修正草案」、委員陳亭妃等18人擬具「動物保護法第五條、第二十條及第二十五條條文修正草案」、委員葉元之等17人、委員郭昱晴等21人分別擬具「動物保護法增訂第十四條之三條文草案」、委員葉元之等17人、委員吳沛憶等16人分別擬具「動物保護法第二十五條條文修正草案」、委員游顥等23人擬具「動物保護法第二十五條之一條文修正草案」、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「動物保護法第二條及第五條條文修正草案」、委員吳沛憶等17人擬具「動物保護法第二十二條之四條文修正草案」、委員賴瑞隆等17人擬具「動物保護法第二條及第六條之二條文修正草案」、委員鄭正鈐等19人擬具「動物保護法第三十二條條文修正草案」、委員羅智強等16人擬具「動物保護法第二十三條條文修正草案」以及委員郭昱晴等19人擬具「動物保護法第二十五條之二及第三十三條之二條文修正草案」、本院委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「動物保護法第三條及第五條條文修正草案」及本院委員邱若華等16人擬具「動物保護法第二十五條之二、第三十三條之二及第三十三條之三條文修正草案」。
二、審查：行政院函請審議「動物保護法部分條文修正草案」、委員魯明哲等16人擬具「動物保護法第二十五條條文修正草案」以及委員張雅琳等16人、委員黃捷等16人擬具「動物保護法部分條文修正草案」。(逐條審查)（請參閱開會通知單及議程） 【1月28日及29日二天一次會】） |
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好 我們請組密報告初期人數報告委員會初期委員五人已足法定人數好 謝謝那我們現在開會進行報告事項請宣讀上次會議意思錄 |
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立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第19次圈地委員會議示錄時間115年1月7日星期三9時至11時42分 地點紅樓101會議室主席委員邱盈瑩等13人 列席委員吳秉瑞等10人 列席人員農業部部長陳俊濟等主席陳昭吉委員亭飛 報告事項 宣讀上次會議示錄 決定 確定 |
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1523.381 |
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討論事項 依審查本院委員陳廷飛等16人擬據農業科技園區設置管理條例增訂第15條之一條文修正草案討論事項 合併詢答農業部部長陳俊濟報告後 委員邱益穎等15人提出質詢經由農業部部長陳俊濟等即席答覆登記發言委員除不在場者外 區域經已發言完畢 詢答結束 |
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1543.664 |
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1563.257 |
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委員林黛樺及陳昭明所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報書面質詢和未及答覆部分請相關單位於一週內以書面答覆並複製本會委員立委要求期限者從期鎖定決議一 增訂第15條之一條文照委員陳亭飛等人所提修正動議通過二 本案審查完略你據審查報告提報院會討論不需交由黨團協商 |
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1566.159 |
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1591.895 |
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並推請陳昭吉委員亭飛於院會討論時做補充說明2 審查本院委員李柏毅等16人擬據植物品種及種苗法第53條之一條文修正草案決議第53條之一條文定期繼續審查3 審查1本院委員陳亭飛等16人擬據農產品市場交易法第6條及第35條條文修正草案2 本院委員邱盈盈等20人擬據農產品市場交易法第15條條文修正草案 |
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1600.144 |
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3.本院委員陳盈瑩等16人理據農產品市場交易法第10條條文修正草案決議1.第6條條文修正如下 |
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1628.073 |
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第6條 農產品之交易不得壟斷 操縱價格或故意變更質量 謀取不正當利益或對市場交易秩序造成危害 任何人不得故意散播影響農產品交易價格 市場交易秩序之謠言或不實時訊息第10條條文修正通過 除第2項默據 其房屋稅及地價稅減半徵收修正為其房屋稅減半徵收外 須依照案通過第15條條文修正如下 |
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1629.229 |
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1657.491 |
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第15條 農產品批發市場所需用之公有土地政府應優先出租依公告限值讓售會以其他合作方式提供所需用私有土地由直轄市縣市主管機關協助洽購依法申請徵收租用會以其他合作方式取得並得使用依法編定之農業用地前項租用會以其他合作方式取得之私有土地以國營事業土地為限且應經中央主管機關核准其使用期限不得少於20年 |
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1658.231 |
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1683.226 |
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第一項用地應專攻農產品批發市場設置及經營使用非經燭管機關許可不得變更使用四 第三十五條條文照委員陳亭飛等人所提修正動議通過五 併案審查完略拟據審查報告提報院會討論不需交由黨團協商並推進陳昭及委員亭飛於院會討論時做補充說明主席先告 本次會議審查通過這條文相關法制用語授權主席及議事人員整理散會宣讀完畢 |
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1693.348 |
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好 謝謝議事組人員宣讀上次的議事錄那我們現在繼續進行討論事項請一併宣讀 |
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1697.037 |
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討論事項 繼續審查 |
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二本院委員呂毅霖等16人委員張志文等16人委員葉元之等17人分別擬據動物保護法第10條條文修正草案等3案三本院委員呂毅霖等16人委員楊瓊英等21人委員張宏祿等17人委員郭益勤等16人分別擬據動物保護法第25條及第25條之1條文修正草案等4案四本院台灣民眾黨黨團委員葉元之等17人分別擬據動物保護法第25條之2條文修正草案等2案 |
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5.本院委員林黛嬅等21人擬拒動物保護法第14條之一第14條之二及第30條條文修正草案6.本院委員鄭天才等16人擬拒動物保護法第2條及第10條條文修正草案7.本院委員陳廷飛等18人擬拒動物保護法第5條第20條及第25條條文修正草案 |
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1767.144 |
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1792.816 |
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8.本院台灣民眾黨黨團拟據《動物保護法》第二條及第五條條文修正草案9.本院委員葉元之等17人委員郭益勤等21人分別拟據《動物保護法》增訂第14條之3條文草案等二案10.本院委員葉元之等17人委員吳佩儀等16人分別拟據《動物保護法》第25條條文修正草案等二案11.本院委員游皓等23人拟據《動物保護法》第25條之1條文修正草案12.本院委員吳佩儀等17人拟據 |
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1793.536 |
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動物保護法第22條之4 調研修正草案13 本院委員賴瑞榮等17人拟據 動物保護法第2條及第6條之2 調研修正草案14 本院委員鄭前等19人拟據 動物保護法第32條 調研修正草案15 本院委員羅志強等16人拟據 動物保護法第23條 調研修正草案16 本院委員郭育晴等19人拟據 動物保護法第25條之2及第33條之2 調研修正草案 |
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1819.747 |
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1846.906 |
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17 本院委員邱若驊等16人擬拒動務保護法第25條之二 第33條之二及第33條之三條文修正查案18 本院委員賴銳龍等16人擬拒動務保護法第3條及第5條條文修正查案2 審查1 行政行情審議本院委員張雅琳等16人 委員黃婕等16人分別擬拒動務保護法部分條文修正查案等3案2 本院委員魯明哲等16人擬拒動務保護法第25條條文修正查案案宣讀完畢 |
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1849.912 |
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1869.712 |
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好 接下來我們首先介紹我們在場的委員以及列席的官員首先郭玉琴委員 謝謝好 接下來農業部部長陳俊濟部長我們林業及自然保育署我們的張副署長以及動物 |
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1872.169 |
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1890.244 |
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動植物防疫警醫署我們的主祕林主祕謝謝漁業署林副署長以及環境部化學物質管理署盧副署長謝謝內政部警政署人事室代理主任劉主任謝謝 |
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1891.565 |
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1905.966 |
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以及經濟部商業發展署簡組長謝謝法務部參事廖參事還有教育部資訊及科技教育師廖專門委員以及國家科學及 |
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1907.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
1931.127 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
技術委員會的生命科學研究發展處的屠夫副處長還有衛福部心理健康師的洪專門委員來 數位部法治處的吳護處長 謝謝以及國家通訊傳播委員會專門委員蔡專門委員還有原住民委員會經濟發展處張副處長 謝謝 |
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1936.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
1961.162 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
來 接下來本次議程我們審查動物保護法部分條文修正草案那麼已經在本會期12月31號進行逐條審查至第二條那經議決所有委員的提案與委員謝玉鳳委員陳昌明 委員林黛嬅委員蔡育宇等人所提修正動議及附帶決議一項均另定其繼續審查 |
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1963.183 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
1983.837 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
那麼我們現在就請農業部長陳部長針對行政院以及新增委員新增委員包括這幾個包括劉明哲委員張雅玲委員黃婕委員所提的新增委員提案版本進行說明請陳俊俊部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
1995.654 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2021.508 |
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主席各位委員大家好那我想在上次審查的時候那時候行政院的版本並沒有進到我們的委員會那經過委員的要求我們也跟行政院溝通了我們也已經把我們動物保護法的行政院的版本都已經送到委員會來然後我們建議說這一次在審查的時候我們就逐條就針對委員的版本然後跟我們行政院的版本裡面看怎麼樣去一併來處理 |
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2024.997 |
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2039.44 |
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好 那謝謝陳部長的說明也就是在我們上一次委員會開會的時候因為行政院院板還沒有進來那我們除了督促行政院必須要趕快送進來 |
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2040.481 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2054.573 |
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至於也將也給你們兩個禮拜的時間將委員所提案因為條文非常的多那大家都非常的關心也有部分也有一些爭議的我們總之希望透過這個討論讓各方都能夠把 |
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2059.136 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2085.236 |
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最佳的意见大家凝聚起来好好的充分讨论达到国人所需要的这个就是我们讨论的一个精髓所以我们也特别请行政院将委员所提案跟行政院的去做相互对照的一个比较出来所以待会我们主条在讨论的时候也可以好好的来做讨论好 谢谢 |
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2085.876 |
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2096.369 |
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好 請回座那麼我們請議事組人員宣讀院會新增交付的四個提案版本所有的條文若有修正動議及互帶決議請一併宣讀宣讀完畢之後再進行協商 請宣讀 |
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2100.874 |
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2120.393 |
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公務保護法行政院提案第二條第一項手續修正為本法所稱主管機關在中央為農業部其與同線型條文第五條第一項墨具修正為以其法定代理人兼護人或實際照顧之人為四主第二項第五款第二具修正為其農內空間因足供寵物充分伸展及轉生 |
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2121.454 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2146.935 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
第七款修正為七不得以汽機車電動輔助自行車為行電動二輪車或其他以動力為主或為輔助慢車牽引寵物增訂第十款十不得為寵物佩戴電擊項圈現行條文第十款及第十一款一列至第十一款至第十二款第十一款著作文字修正增訂第四項依前項規定送交動物者應符合一定條件 |
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2147.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2170.598 |
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其條件及其他應遵行事項之辦法由中央主管機關定之會符合一定條件送交動物者視為棄養動物其餘同現行條文第12條D項第7款修正為其收容於動物收容處所或直轄市縣市主管機關指定之場所經獸醫師檢查有下列情形之一一患有法定動物傳染病二 |
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2171.138 |
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生理状态已达无法自行进食饮水或排泄之程度三 严重影响动物或人员之健康安全现行条文第四项及第五项删除其余同现行条文 |
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第十四條第二項據莫增訂收容動物經認養後原室主不得要求領回增訂第三項依前項規定通知後原室主無證當理由為依限領回者視為棄養動物第四項修正為依第二項規定准許領回認養之動物不得為第八條公告禁止飼養或輸入之動物但有下列情形之一者不在此限依原室主為公告前以飼養或輸入 |
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并依第36条第一项办理登记者准许其领回二 认养人完成直辖市县市主管机关或其委托之个人机构或团体办理之训练并经评估具饲养能力者准许其认养现行条文第三项至第五项一列第五项至第七项第五项着作文字修正增订第八项第一项动物收容处所或直辖市县市主管机关指定之场所 |
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中央主管机关应定期进行评鉴并公布评鉴结果其余同现行条文第十四条之二非经中央主管机关许可任何人不得制造贩卖陈列或输出入售夹及其他中央主管机关指定禁止使用与捕捉动物之物品 |
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前項申請許可之要件程序期限應檢附資料不予許可廢止許可之條件禁止使用與捕捉動物物品之種類及其他應遵行事項之規則由中央主管機關定之第19條之一 |
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中央主管機關得依寵物物種之生物學特性飼養照顧需求及公共安全考量分類寵物並採取分級管理措施前項分類方式與分級管理措施次組應具備之資格條件設施飼養照護方式及其他應遵行事項之辦法由中央主管機關定之第21條第一項手續修正為依第19條第一項規定應辦理登記之寵物 |
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第二項修正為前項寵物有身份標示者應儘速通知飼主領回經通知超過七日未領回或無身份標示者依第十二條至第十四條規定處理第三項修正為第一項之寵物有法定動物傳染病或其他緊急狀況者得盡以人道方式宰殺之第四項修正為第一項寵物移飼時飼主應於移飼時發生之次日期五日內 |
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像直轄市縣市主管機關申報借其為申報者除有正當理由外視為棄養動物其餘同現行條文第二十二條任何人未經許可不得販賣特定寵物經營特定寵物繁殖買賣或寄養業 |
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以下并称特定宠物业应经职辖市县市主管机关许可并应于许可之营业场所内为之许可期间以三年为限前项特定宠物之种类特定宠物业者应具备之条件设施专任人员人员配置训练 |
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申請許可之程序期限許可證之核發換發廢止許可之條件經營管理繁殖買賣作業及其他應遵行事項辦法由中央主管機關定之特定寵物業者以外之4組因自特定寵物出生獲取得後一定期限內為其絕育但4組提出繁殖計畫管理生 |
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提出繁殖管理計畫申請經直轄市縣市主管機關許可者得於許可期限內免絕育其有繁殖需求應按次向直轄市縣市主管機關提出申請並經許可後使得為之直轄市縣市主管機關得要求前向經許可免絕育或繁殖之事主提供特定寵物繁殖後子代之飼養現況及受轉讓事主資料 |
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受要求之事主不得拒绝第三项应为绝育之一定期限免绝育或繁殖需求之申请条件程序应检附文件许可期限废止许可之条件免绝育后之繁殖管理 |
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前項應提供之資料及其他應遵行事項之辦法由中央主管機關定之中華民國某年某月某日修正之第三項施行前已申報免絕育特定寵物之四主於修正施行後無需依該項規定申請許可免絕育其有繁殖需求者應 |
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能因依第三項規定案次提出申請許可後 使得為之第二十二條之二 特定寵物之繁殖或買賣業者其特定寵物應有合法輸入之來源或有取得許可證之特定寵物繁殖或買賣業者供應之直轄市縣市主管機關得要求前項業者提供其特定寵物來源相關資料 |
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业者不得规避妨碍或拒绝特定宠物繁殖或买卖业者其特定宠物应于完成晶片植入并办理宠物登记后 使得买卖或转让他人其晶片植入登记管理及其他应遵行事项之办法由中央主管机关定之特定宠物买卖交易或转让应于特定宠物交付前先完成宠物变更登记 |
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並將登載寵物相關資訊之文件提供於購買者或收讓者特定寵物業者與電子平面電信網路及其他媒體進行廣告行銷宣傳時應標示其許可證字號非特定寵物業者不得擅自使用特定寵物業之許可證字號進行前向廣告行銷宣傳特定寵物業者不得將其許可證提供或租借他人使用 |
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第23條 第一項及第二項著作文字修正增訂第三項直轄市縣市主管機關發現或受理涉違反第五條第二項或第六條規定於必要時得指派動物保護檢查員進入動物所在之公司場所進行稽查取締增訂第四項執行前二項稽查局取締之人員於執行職務時得請相關人員提供動物或其相關資料以供檢視 |
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現行條文第三項一列第五項修正為對於第二項第三項稽查取締或依前項要求提供動物或其相關資料自主場所所有人使用人或管理人不得規避妨礙或拒絕現行條文第四項至第六項一列至第六項至第八項並著作文至修正第二三條之三直轄市縣市主管機關為阻止對於動物危害之發生或避免急迫危險 |
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任有及時處置之必要時 得採取下列措施一 對於動物或物 得予以扣留使用 留置或限制其使用二 對於動物之生命 身體健康有迫切之危害非進入不能救護者 得進入第二三條第二項及第三項鎖定之場所 |
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三 其他依法定職權所為之必要處置對於前項措施 措施相對人事主場所所有人 使用人或管理人不得規避 妨礙或拒絕直轄市縣市主管機關執行第一項措施時準用第23條第7項規定直轄市縣市主管機關執行第一項措施時措施相對人或利害關係人任有侵害其利益之情事得當場陳述理由 |
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表示異議 其異議經直轄市縣市主管機關任由無理由者應立即停止或更正執行採取之措施認為無理由者得繼續執行經措施相對人或利害關係人請求時應將異議之理由製作記錄交付之 |
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人民因直轄市縣市主管機關依法實施第一項措施致其生命身體或財產遭受特別損失時得請求補償但應可歸則於該人民之室友者不在此縣 |
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行向损失补偿因以金钱为之并以补偿实际所受之特别损失为限对于直辖市县市主管机关所为损失补偿之决定不符者得依法提起诉议及行政诉讼损失补偿因于之有损失后二年内向执行机关请求之但自损 |
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发生后经过五年者不得为之因执行第一项措施所需必要费用直辖市县市主管机关得以书面行政处分令动物之家害人负担第二四条直辖市或县市主管机关对于违反下列情势之一之机构学校应先通知限期改善或为必要之处置 |
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一違反第十五條第一項第十七條或第十八條規定二違反第十六條第三項所定辦法中有關實驗動物照護及使用委員會或小組織任務或管理之規定第二十五條罰則修正為處六月以上五年以下有期徒刑並科新臺幣三十萬元以上三百萬元以下罰金第一款著作文字修正其餘同現行條文 |
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第25條之一使用藥物槍械暴力或施以其他凝虐方式犯前條之罪致動物死亡且情節重大者加重其刑至二分之一有前條或前項所定行為之行為人所飼養之動物則暇視縣市主管機關得沒入之有前條情形經有罪判決確定者主管機關得公布其姓名照片及違法事實 |
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第25條之二 續文第三具體修正為 依下略規定處罰並令其停止營業具不停止營業者按次處罰一 擅自經營特定寵物繁殖或買賣者處新台幣30萬元以上300萬元以下罰還 二 擅自經營特定寵物寄養者 |
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處新臺幣5萬元以上25萬元以下罰還前項特定寵物繁殖或買賣場所內之特定寵物不問屬於何人所有之瑕是縣市主管機關得目錄之第25條之4主有下列情勢之一處新臺幣10萬元以上100萬元以下罰還1違反第5條第3項規定棄養動物2有第5條第4項後段第14條第3項或第21條第4項所定 |
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視為棄養動物之情形第26條有下列情形之一者處新臺幣5萬元以上25萬元以下罰還一違反中央主管機關一第8條所為公告飼養輸出或輸入禁止飼養輸出或輸入之動物二違反第22條第一項規定未經許可擅自販賣特定寵物三違反第22條第三項規定未經直轄市縣市主管機關許可 |
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免未特定寵物絕育而未為其絕育獲益許可免絕育期限能為未特定寵物絕育經限其改善藉其能為依第22條第三項規定辦理四 違反第22條第三項規定未經許可擅自繁殖特定寵物五 違反中央主管機關依第22條第5項鎖定辦法中有關免絕育後繁殖管理之規定 |
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前項第一款禁止飼養輸出輸入之動物及第二款供販賣之特定寵物不問屬於何人所有直轄市縣市主管機關得募入之 |
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違反第一項第三款至第五款規定之一而受處分者則瑕疵縣市主管機關因通知事主限期為其特定寵物絕育借期為辦理絕育者處薪台幣五萬元以上二十五萬元以下罰還並按次處罰第二十七條有下列情勢之一者處薪台幣五萬元以上二十五萬元以下罰還令其限期改善或立即停止並得公布其姓名或名稱照片及違法事實 |
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2945.1 |
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禁令限期改善或立即停止藉其未改善或未停止者按次處罰依違反第六條之一第一項規定以動物進行展演限行條文第一款至第六款一列第二款至第七款其中第四五七款著作文字修正限行條文第九款一列第八款著作文字修正第十款一列第九款限行條文第二十六條第二項一列本條第二項其餘同限行條文 |
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第28條有下列情勢之一者處心臺幣4萬元以上20萬元下罰還及廢止其許可並得公布其姓名或名稱照片及違法事實依特定寵物繁殖業者違反中央主管機關依第22條第二項鎖定辦法中有關寵物繁殖作業之規定 |
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2983.396 |
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二 特定寵物繁殖或買賣業者違反第22條之二第一項規定其特定寵物未有合法輸入之來源或由未取得許可證之特定寵物繁殖場或買賣業者供應之三 特定寵物繁殖或買賣業者違反第22條之二第二項規定規避妨礙或拒絕 |
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提供其特定宠物来源相关资料四 特定宠物繁殖或买卖业者违反第22条之二第三项规定未完成晶片植入或未办理宠物登记及进行买卖或转让他人五 特定宠物业者违反第22条之二第七项规定将许可证提供或租借他人使用特定宠物业者违反中央主管机关一第22条第二项锁定办法中 |
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有关业者因具备之条件设施专任人员人员配置训练经营管理或买卖作业之规定或依第22条职二第三项所定办法中有关晶片植入登记管理之规定者处薪台币4万元上20万元下罚款并得限期改善经限期改善借其为改善者按次处罚 |
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3053.164 |
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第29條第一項續文同現行條文現行條文第二款一列第一款增訂第二款二違反主管機關一第十四條之一第二項所為排除或拆除並銷毀之處置現行條文第四款一列第三款著作文自修正現行條文第五款一列第四款 |
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五违反第22条之二第六项规定非特定宠物业者擅自使用特定宠物业之许可证字号进行广告行销六违反第22条之四第一项第三款规定制造加工分装批发贩卖输入 |
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3091.619 |
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輸出贈與或意圖販賣而公開陳列欲有效日期之寵物食品7違反第22條之4第1項第4款規定製造加工分裝批發販賣輸入輸出贈與或意圖販賣而公開陳列未依規定標示標示不明或標示不全之寵物食品 |
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3092.939 |
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3116.954 |
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金直辖市縣市主管機關通知縣企改善 借其為改善縣行條文第九款及第十款 一定第八款及第九款 並著作文字修正第十一款著作文字修正十二 違反第二十三條之三第二項規定 規避妨礙或拒絕直辖市縣市主管機關所採取之措施十三 違依直辖市縣市主管機關一第二十四條第一條規定 |
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所為通知之期限內改善或為必要之處置十四 未依直轄市縣市主管機關依第24條第二款規定所為通知之限期以內改善或為必要之處置第二項修正援引款次其餘同線型條文 |
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3137.054 |
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3154.575 |
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第30條第1項第1款修正原因款次第2款修正原因款次並著作文字修正第6款修正為違反中央主管機關1第13條第2項所定準則中有關宰殺動物之規定第8款以下修正為 |
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3176.665 |
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八違反第十四條之二規定為金裝主管機關許可製造販賣陳列輸出入售甲及其他金裝主管機關指定禁止使用與捕捉動物之物品九違反中央主管機關一第十九條之一第二項鎖定辦法中有關分級管理措施自主應具備之資格條件 |
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3177.525 |
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3201.24 |
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設施或飼養照護方式之規定使違反第22條之二第四項規定進行特定寵物買賣交易或轉讓時未完成寵物邊根登記即將特定寵物交付他人使依違反第22條之二第四項規定特定寵物繁殖或買賣業者於特定寵物買賣交易或轉讓時未提供購買者或收讓者有關寵物資訊之文件 |
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3221.212 |
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十二違反第22條制二第五項規定特定寵物業者進行廣告行銷宣傳時未標示或標示錯誤之許可證四號經折轄市縣市主管機關通知限期改善 借期未改善第二項著作文字修正其餘同線型條文 |
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3221.932 |
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3251.164 |
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第30條之一第一款修正為一是肆辱違反第五條第二項第一款至第十一款各款之一或第六條規定未達動物受傷狀況經限其改善 借其人為改善第二款所具修正為違反第五條第二項第一款至第十一款各款之一或第六條規定第三款修正為違反第22條第四項規定拒絕提供特定寵物繁殖後子代之飼養現況或受准讓 |
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3253.125 |
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3277.427 |
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4組資料 經現期改善 借勤人為改善其餘同現行條文第32條 有下列情勢之一者所涉動物不問屬於何人所有直轄市或縣市主管機關得進行沒入依4組違反第5條第2項或第6條規定使其管理動物之生命或健康有受重大危害之餘現行條文第3款之第4款 |
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3299.976 |
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一列第二款至第三款第二款著作文字修正四 違反第十條各款規定之一五 四組違反第十二條第一項第二項或第三項第一款規定六 四組違反第22條第三項規定未經許可擅自繁殖特定寵物七 有第25條之三各款鎖定情勢之一 |
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3300.666 |
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3315.126 |
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第33條第一項序文著作文字修正第一款修正為依違反第5條第二項或第6條規定飼養照護不善或使其管理動物遭受騷擾虐待或傷害 |
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3316.588 |
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3344.377 |
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現行條文第三款及第四款一列第二款及第三款現行條文第二項刪除其餘同現行條文第三十三條之一有下列情勢之一者直轄市縣市主管機關得令行為人不得飼養違規行為所設同物種之寵物或依第十九條第一項應辦理登記之寵物不得認養依第十四條第一項收容之動物或不許可其申請經營特定寵物業 |
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3365.36 |
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一无正当理由将不拟继续饲养之动物送交动物收容处所或直辖市县市主管机关指定场所现行条文第三第四款一列第二及第三款第四款违反中央主管机关一第八条所为公告饲养输出或输入禁止饲养 |
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3366.381 |
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3381.697 |
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輸出或輸入動物5 同是第10條各款鎖定行為之一第6款及第7款同現行條文8 由第25條之3各款鎖定情勢之一棄養動物現行條文第8款以列第9款 |
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3382.317 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
3403.062 |
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除前项第一款情事外其其余各款情事所为之处分这辖市县市主管机关应于依本法规定处罚时一并为之有第一项各款情事并禁止辖市县市主管机关依该项规定令其不得饲养宠物或不得认养动物 |
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3428.796 |
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而在飼養寵物或認養動物者處新臺幣三千元以上一萬五千元以下罰款持霞市縣市主管機關並得目錄其在飼養之寵物或認養之動物線型條文第三項一列第四項著作文字修正其餘同線型條文第三十八條手續修正為主管機關依本法規定辦理植入晶片寵物登記發給寵物身份標示 |
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3433.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
3444.575 |
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第四十条本法处中华民国某年某月某日修正之第十九条之一第二十二条第三项至第六项第二十六条第一项至第 |
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3445.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
3460.443 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
第26條第1項第3款至第5款與第3項第30條第1項第9款第30條之一第3款及第32條第6款施行日期由行政院定之外自公佈日施行 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
3461.423 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
3489.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
委員魯明哲等16人提案第25條有下列情勢之一者處3年以上5年以下有期徒刑或拘役並科新台幣50萬元以上300萬元以下罰金情節重大或再犯者加重其刑至二分之一第一款目據修正為致動物死亡重傷肢體嚴重殘缺或重要器官功能喪失第三款修正為以毒藥槍械火藥爆裂物 |
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3490.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
3506.045 |
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等方式 又藉由電子通訊網路影音直播 錄播散佈影像賭博或其他足以引發觀賞獲利或助長虐待動物之行為手段故意傷害或傷害動物者加重其刑二分之一其餘同現行條文 |
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3507.884 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
3532.565 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
委員張雅琳等16人提案第二條同行政院提案第三條增訂第十四款十四衝突樂區指主管機關分析研究遊蕩動物與民眾衝突青老經濟動物攻擊野生動物等案件經科學研究程序確認據話涉後由主管機關公告之特定區域其餘同現行條文 |
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3533.366 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
3561.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
第五條第三項修正為飼養之動物不得棄養但符合中央主管機關所定要件及程序者得送交動物收容處所或直轄市縣市主管機關指定之場所收容處理增訂第四項依前項但書規定送交動物未符中央主管機關公告之要件及程序者視為棄養動物增訂第五項第二項送交動物收容處所或 |
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3561.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
3587.099 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
指定场所之要件程序及其他应遵行事项之办法由中央主管机关定之其余同现行条文第十四条增订第六项第一项动物收容处所或指定场所中央主管机关应定其进行评鉴并公布评鉴结果其余同现行条文第十四条之三主管机关所公告之冲突乐趣其公告内容应载明区域 |
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3588.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
3608.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
範圍保護目標及管制等事項並於公告之衝突樂區內明顯處設置警示標示標誌提示區域內應遵守之相關限制前項區域未經主管機關許可任何人不得有下列行為一餵食遊蕩動物二置放公遊蕩動物或野生動物 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
3609.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
3636.302 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
取食之飼料或設置餵食器具三 以其他方式誘引遊蕩動物第十九條第二項莫具修正為並因植入晶片或以其他可辨識之方式進行標示增訂第四項飼主飼養依本條規定辦理登記之寵物遺失時因於遺失事實發生後五日內向直轄市縣市主管機關登記無正當理由未辦理登記推定為棄養 |
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3638.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
3664.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
其余同现行条文第十九条之一第二项修正为前项分类方式及分级管理措施自主应具备之资格条件饲养照护方式设施及其他应遵行事项之办法由中央主管机关定之其余同行政院提案第二十二条第一项手续修正为任何人不得贩卖中央主管机关指定种类之宠物以下简称特定宠物 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
3665.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
3686.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
倒數第三具起修正為得經營特定寵物之繁殖買賣或寄養業並應於許可之營業場所內為之許可期間以三年為限第二項修正為前項特定寵物之種類繁殖場買賣或寄養業者應具備之條件設施專任能源 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
3687.302 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
3715.672 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
人员配置申请许可之程序期限与换证撤销或废止许可之条件经营管理繁殖及买卖业者应遵循之宠物登记管理宠物繁殖买卖作业及其他应遵行事项之办法由中央主管机关定之第三项倒数第二具修正为植入晶片或以其他可辨识之方式进行标识办理宠物登记删除现行条文第五项其余同现行条文 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
3716.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
3736.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
第22条之二经营第22条特定宠物之繁殖或买卖业者其宠物应有合法输入之来源或有取得许可证之特定宠物繁殖场或宠物买卖业者供应之特定宠物繁殖或买卖业者其特定宠物应于完成晶片植入或完成 |
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3737 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
3751.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
其他可辨識方式之標示並辦理寵物登記後使得買賣或轉讓他人特定寵物買賣交易或轉讓應於特定寵物交付前先行完成寵物變更登記並將備有登載寵物相關資訊之文件 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
3754.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
3778.518 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
并提供于购买者或收让者现行条文第三项一列第四项第二十七条删除现行条文第七款现行条文第八款至第十款一列第七款至第九款其余同现行条文第二十八条有下列情事之一者处新台币四万元以上二十万元以下罚还即令其现期改善外并得公布其姓名名称或照片 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
3779.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
3806.058 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
借其不改善者得按次处罚经处罚三次者被指其许可一 特定宠物繁殖业者违反中央主管机关一第22条第二项锁定办法中有关宠物繁殖作业之规定二 宠物买卖业者违反第22条之二第一项规定其特定宠物来源未有合法输入之来源或未取得许可证之特定宠物繁殖场或宠物买卖业者供应 |
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| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
3818.602 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
或未完成晶片植入及進行買賣轉讓他人三 特定寵物繁殖或買賣業者違反第22條職二第二項規定未完成晶片植入或未辦理寵物登記及進行買賣或轉讓他人 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
3821.653 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
3835.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
特定寵物業者違反中央主管機關一第22條第二項鎖定辦法中有關業者應具備之條件設施專任人員人員配置經營管理繁殖或買賣業者應遵循之寵物登記管理或買賣作業之規定 |
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3837.467 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
3857.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
处信台币4万元以上20万元以下罚还并得限期改善经限期改善借其未改善者得按次处罚之第30条增订第9款就违反中央主管机关1第19条之1第二项锁定办法中之分级管理措施或有关事主应具备之资格条件适应 |
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3858.041 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
3880.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
照顾方式设施及其他应遵行事项之规定现行条文第九款一列第十款并着作文字修正增订第十一款十一违反第二十二条之二第三项规定进行特定宠物买卖交易或转让时未完成宠物变更登记即将特定宠物交付他人现行条文第十款一列第十二款其余同现行条文 |
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3880.771 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
3901.794 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
第30條之一 增訂第三款三 違反第14條之三第二項規定之禁止行為現行條文第三款已列第四款其餘同現行條文第31條第一項續文罰還修正為處心台幣3000元以上3萬元以下罰還其餘同現行條文委員黃婕等16人提案 |
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3903.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
3921.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
第四條之一手續修正為各級政府應普及動物倫理視乎責任遊蕩動物管理與動物保護法規相關之教育及學習其餘同線型條文第五條第二項第七款修正為其不得以動力交通工具牽引寵物增訂第四項 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
3923.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
3939.917 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
長期持續提供遊蕩動物食物或飲水者視為實際管理之人但受直轄市縣市主管機關委託執行動物保護工作者或依第21條第一項規定縱交動物收容處所或直轄市縣市主管機關指定之場所 |
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3940.658 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
3969.396 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
与运送过程提供游荡动物食物或饮水以维持其生理机能者不在此限其余同现行条文第七条之一肆主因防止其所饲养动物遭老及伤害野生动物第十四条增订第六项对于第一项捕捉收容及处理游荡动物任何人不得规避妨害或拒绝其余同现行条文第十九条之一中央主管机关因依宠物物种之生物学特性 |
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| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
3988.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
動物福利及公共安全分類寵物飼主飼養或販賣之寵物屬中央主管機關指定應申請許可或登記被查之物種應向直轄市縣市主管機關提出申請經許可或同意登記後 使得為之第一項寵物分類前項飼主飼養或販賣寵物應具備之資格條件 |
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| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
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飼養照護或販賣方式飼養設施因申報資訊申請許可或登記被查之程序期限或與患證撤銷或廢止許可或登記之條件及其他應遵行事項之辦法由中央主管機關定之一第三項鎖定辦法施行前飼主與飼養第二項鎖定應申請許可或登記被查之寵物者應至中央主管機關指定之網站 |
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自行申报所似宠物物种性别及数量等资讯第二十条第一项修正为宠物出入公共场所或公众得出入之场所应由七岁以上之人伴同并使用恋神相容或采取其他精装主管机关公告之 |
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適當防護措施但符合下列規定之一者不在此限一中央主管機關一物種管理需求公告之條件二之瑕疵縣市主管機關公告之區域或條件其餘同現行條文第22條之四增訂第一項第五款及第六款五變質參委或假冒六其他經公告不得使用之成分第二項修正為前項病原為生物之種類 |
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有害寵物健康物質之種類與其安全容許量及不得使用成分之標準由中央主管機關定制 |
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其余同现行条文第23条之二首具修正为宠物食品经检查或检验确认参为假冒含有或超过1第22条之4第2项所定标准中有关病原为生物种类不得使用成分或有害宠物健康物质安全容许量者其余同现行条文第27条第9款末具修正为 |
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第二款或第六款情形之一之寵物食品其餘同現行條文第二十七條之一手續修正為散布播送或販賣違反第六條第七條之一第十條或第十二條第一項之文字圖畫聲音影像電磁記錄或其他物品其餘同現行條文第二十九條增訂第一項第三款及第四款三違反第七條之一規定飼乳未能防止其所飼養動物 |
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騷擾及傷害野生動物至野生動物死亡者次違反第十四條第六項規定規避妨害或拒絕直轄市縣市政府及受委託機構團體依法執行捕捉收容處理遊蕩動物現行條文第一項第三款至第十一款一列第五款至第十三款第二項款次著作文字修正其餘同現行條文 |
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第三十條增訂第一項第三款三違反第七條之一規定飼主未能防止其所飼養動物騷擾及傷害野生動物至野生動物受傷者現行條文第三款至第十款一列第四款至第十一款第二項款 |
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次著作修正其余同现行条文第三十一条第一项第九款修正为就违反第二十条第一项规定是宠物无七岁以上人伴同或未使用链绳相容或采取其他经中央主管机关公告之适当防护措施者但符合同项但书规定者不适用之其余同现行条文第三十二条有下列情事之一者则辖市县市主管机关得进行没入 |
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四組是動物或令四組改善未改善者進行沒入其動物第四款修正委四違反第七條規定無故侵害他人之自由或財產是造成他人自由或財產受損之動物增訂第五款五違反第七條之一規定四組未能防止其所飼養動物 |
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騷擾及傷害野生動物 導致受傷或死亡者 現行條文第一項第五款 以列第六款其餘同現行條文宣讀完畢 |
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好 那各位同仁剛剛宣讀的意思錄有沒有問題好 那我們意思錄確認來 接下來我們現在協商動物保護法部分條文修正草案總共有42個提案版本委員所提的修正動議以及附帶決議並同審查那麼本次會議新增的4個提案將與上次會議38案並按審查 |
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前次會議審查第一條及第二條決議皆保留由於上次會議本席要求農業部針對各個委員提案提出建議的修正條文故本次會議我們繼續從第一條進行審查請農業部先做說明 |
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主席各位委員大家好 那有關於第一條的部分那郭育群委員 羅廷威委員跟蘇曉慧委員在提案的時候有納入有關於動物為具感知能力的生命然後飼養應符合動物需求及人與動物共生的一個概念那基本上在我們的院版裡面並沒有做修正但是經過我們農業部 |
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依據上次主席的一個決議我們做了內部的一個討論覺得說委員這樣子一個概念是可以適度的納入條文裡面那條文裡面的修正我們就是修正的文字我想你們 |
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現在就發啦 給我們好不好第一條的部分就是動物為具感知能力之生命為尊重動物 主席是不是請那個農業部是不是先把資料給我們好不好 第一條的文字給我們好不好 給我們看一下好 請農業部將你們所提建議的條文文字請送交給我們各位委員 |
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好 那第一條 動物為具感知能力之生命為尊重動物生命及保護動物增進動物福利促進負責任且符合動物需求之飼養文化培養國民尊重生命之意識從而促進人類與動物和諧共存特制定本法 |
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動物之保護依本法之規定但其他法律有特別規定者適用其他法律之規定好來請來 關於請委員 |
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這個上次其實我已經有講過了基於現在其實大家在飼養寵物的多樣性就是還包含不是只有毛小孩而已就是還有多許多的這個所謂的異寵那在飼養的同時其實我們也希望能夠符合他原本的這個生存的這樣子的一個樣態所以我特別把這個所謂的維持原期地自然樣態的原則 |
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然後寫進去那但是我們看到現在已經農業部有一個修正的這個版本其實有看到所謂要符合這個動物需求的飼養文化我想這個部分我也不堅持那我覺得這樣子有有有修改因為這個是一個最重要的保護動物的一個概念那我想已經有把它那尤其是第一條其實是也很重要那我想這已經有把這個部分寫進去那我個人沒有意見好以上 |
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謝謝委員 來 六元委員好 謝謝 如果大家委員們是有共識的話那我建議是不是這個就照院版的修正文字來通過了好不好這不是院版 照部長提出來的 照部裡面提出來的修正文字來通過這不是院版 好 謝謝好 來 針對於第一條的部分那也經過上一次會議 我們決議請 |
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農業部針對委員所提出的條文去做討論 |
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跟提出建議條文文字內容那麼請教各位委員針對剛剛有這個委員所提出以及農業部所提出那這個條文第一條依據剛剛農業部所作出的文字在各位委員手上都有第一條的文字內容請教各位有沒有其他要發表意見 |
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對沒有這不是不版因為不版沒有第一條的修正是我們上次的決議請農業部針對於所有委員的提案做文字提出農業部的文字請到各位 |
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好各位同仁針對於第一條上次我們是做保留那現在終於在兩個禮拜後由農業部也提出文字那請教剛剛農業部所提的文字有沒有意見 |
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好 如果沒有意見 第一條動物為具感知能力之生命為尊重動物生命及保護動物增進動物福利促進負責任且符合動物需求之飼養文化培養國民尊重生命之意識從而促進 |
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人類與動物和諧共存特制定本法動物之保護依本法之規定但其他法律有特別之規定者適用其他法律之規定好 照這樣的文字第一條通過 請教各位有沒有意見沒有 我們第一條修正通過 謝謝繼續第二條 |
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有關第2條的部分那包括行政院版跟多數委員提出的修正是將中央主管機關由原來的農業改為由原來的農委會改為農業部那文字都與行政院版本一致那另外蘇巧慧委員所提到的在這個條文裡面又多設了一個設置動物保護警察的部分那因為試射內政部警政署人力配置的 |
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我想我們除了尊重內政部的意見以外我們建議就是與中央及地方設置動物保護官那上次我想我們在討論的時候有提到了那因為動物保護官的部分在後續的條文會出現所以我們建議說那個蘇曉鳳委員的這個版本裡面寫設置動物保護警察的部分我們就不納入就是還是維持大部分的委員的意見只修正行政院農業委員會改為農業部 |
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關心你 你還沒 還沒 現在在討論還沒有 還沒有 來 那個說明完了嗎好 來 賴榮榮委員 再來郭玉琴委員這個因為剛剛農業部也有做了說明包括動物保護警察 後面會做一些那個 那是不是這個部分我也建議是不是就照行政院版跟各委員的版本來通過 謝謝 |
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因為之前其實已經有特別提到就是動物警察的這個這個這個倡議已經很久了啦但是我相信農業部應該之前也有正面的一個肯定就是說我們要賦予這個各地方的這個凍檢員要更多的一些執法權利那另外還有動物保護案會放在後面那我想這個部分也就同意這個就是部會這邊 |
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就是把這個部分我們往後在後面的這個條文再來審那個行政部門給他說明喔你放在後面哪裡啊他就放在後面嘛我第一個跟委員先做說明就是就是上次在委員會討論這個動物警察的議題的時候那我們有提到幾個重點第一個重點就是如果設置動物 |
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動物保護的警察的時候那因為內政部裡面的警察有可能有不同的類別那會造成後續有不同的樣態就會設置不同的動物警察那我們尊重內政部的意見但是因為動物保護本身 |
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是一個非常重要的議題特別是一個虐待的部分必須要有人去處理所以我們在法裡面用兩個方式來取代那個動保警察第一個部分就是動檢員賦予他的權利讓他有一些權利能夠進到就是民宅裡面第二個部分就是我們設置動保關那動保關的時候萬一 |
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來做相關的一個協調那在中央會設動保官在地方政府縣市政府也會設動保官所以透過這兩個作為來取代現行的委員提議的動保警察但是實務上我想很多動檢員去做查處的查訪的時候我相信一般的警察也會轄區的警察也會隨同那這樣的話大概可以完成整個的需要 |
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然後後面的動保關的部分是在23條裡面有做一些處理再來我們請謝鳳委員這個部分其實原則上我們在上一次討論的時候我們都希望說能賦予動物保護的公務人員更高的執行力跟公權力那但是 |
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就是說因為很多的委員同仁他們還是非常堅持動保警察這個部分所以這個部分是不是也還沒有共識是不是我們這一條是怎麼樣請主席解釋一下好 謝謝還是看保留還是怎麼樣好還是來 周映委員 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝 我剛本來是要請教那個動保關的設置那剛剛部長有補充說明是在第23條好 另外我要請教那如果是這樣子蘇巧慧委員的這個版本是不是後面我們就是把動保警察那個部分把它刪除掉是這樣對 |
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這個部分在剛剛邱議員委員還有委員提案就是東堡警察上一次我們在委員會的時候有充分在討論那你們提出的你們的話是在23條23條我們還沒審查到接下來我們請李君以為 |
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理工長委員謝謝主席那其實大家是比較注意的就是說例如是動保檢查或是說這個動保員的動物保護檢查員的調查的權限然後剛剛聽部長提到說一個動保官那我覺得就在後面23條再來討論那第二條就是其實就跟現行的這一個條文是一樣的對不對 |
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就改農業部嘛對啊那剩下的我覺得就到23條那邊再來討論啦不然卡在這邊就進不了了我是不是來 |
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我是不是可以說明一下就是因為第二條最主要是目的那個是主管機關的部分嘛那改成農業部那剛才委員所關心的動保警察或者是動保檢察員或是動保官的部分在23條裡面會去處理因為蘇喬惠委員在這邊就寫了一個就是要設這個東西那如果後續討論的話在23條可以一併來討論因為這條是主管機關 |
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主席我建議因為第二條主要是談的是主管機關就是中央的是改成農業部嘛地方的是直轄市那我建議就讓它單純化法制上單純化那至於後面要處理這些的到23條再一起來討論這樣體制上比較完整一點好 謝謝來 還沒請大家要說明 |
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那個第二條的部分因為上一次在委員會充分討論其實動物警察的這個議題大家的目的就是要怎麼樣可以執行到位可以保護動物這個是大家的目的但是他因為又卡到 |
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最後這個農業部提到23條我們現在不知道23條的樣態是怎麼樣所以因為我們的條文非常的多那是不是農學主席來這邊第二條也暫保留到23條的時候我們一併討論這樣好不好這樣比較完整好 謝謝來 第三條 |
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好有關於第三條的部分是用時的定義的部分那用時的定義的部分在行政院院版我們所提出來是並沒有修正但是也遵照委員說要去檢視所有委員的版本那是不是找到一個可以把它新增定義的部分那我們在這邊做幾個說明第一個說明就是 |
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那個蘇曉慧委員還有郭益勤委員及張雅玲委員所提的修正案裡面的定義他把動物的定義擴及到非脊椎動物的部分那現在所有的動保動保的這些定義都是跟脊椎動物有關的 |
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那如果擴成非脊椎動物的話整個整個法的一個保護的目標就會擴大那擴大的話會影響到整個後續的所有的動保的一些條文的一個調整所以我想這個部分可能也需要再更多的一個溝通要不要把這個軟體動物的部分納進來這個我想 |
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這個第一個就是我們希望說還有更多的機會能夠溝通那第二個部分就是蘇曉慧委員跟詹雅琳委員所提的修正的定義裡面他限定本部公告或許可的動物裡面有所謂的白名單的部分那現在目前因為我們的整個寵物已經趨於多元化的一個管理那相對的這個白名單就未來可能 |
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就比較會難產出來那後續我想我們農業部會以分類分級的管理制度來取代白名單那這個分類分級的這個制度裡面會在第19條之一裡面院門19條之一裡面去處理那同樣的分類分級的管理其實跟白名單其實是不同的思維但是同一個目標我們是建議這樣子那第三個部分是蔡議員所提的 |
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飼養定義裡面包括定時定點餵食之人那我們建議因為餵養的這個部分相對的他後面可能在第4條還是第4條會討論到那我們是建議先不要納入因為整個的一個餵食遊蕩動物者如果是你是飼主的時候這牽涉到飼主的定義那另外我們覺得可以放進去的就是修正虐待的定義 |
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那虐待的定义基本上我们就是只除饲养管理或处置目的之必须行为外以暴力不当使用药品器物或其他作为不作为方式致伤害动物使其无法维持正常生理状态之行为我们觉得虐待这个东西是可以把它更明确地放到定义里面去做一个定义那另外 |
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有賴瑞榮委員所提案的就是新增寵物用品的定義那這個定義是牽涉到整個產業面的管理那在這段時間也有非常多的產業的管理也希望說針對用品的定義那一旦有明確的定義的時候那會牽涉到後續的產業的買賣的一個行為所以也需要有更多的時間來溝通跟討論所以我們也不建議放進去那另外 |
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有台灣民眾黨團提案的嚴重就是有關於新增動物安養長期照顧的定義啦那這樣子的話就是如果說我們訂了一個長期照顧的一個定義的時候就會影響到整個遊蕩犬收容及族群的管理的業務的執行那我們也覺得這個議題很重要但是也需要更周延的溝通跟討論 |
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那另外还有张亚林委员提案的部分就是有关于新增冲突热区的定义那因为冲突的热区本身现在目前我们有一些生态热区跟野生动物的这些热区的部分那有关于冲突的热区它需要有更多的科学的根据跟调查才能够去化设而且这个化设本身 |
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有它的一個跟其他的這些化射區域的重疊的部分那相對的部分我想我們也不建議在這一次就直接納入直接納入所以那 |
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大概是這樣子所以總結就是說在這個定義裡面我們採納了虐待這個這個名詞的定義那名詞的定義裡面的版本已經有給各位委員那請各位委員參考以上 |
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好 針對農業部提出說明來 請教高委員來郭益勤委員再來雅玲委員 謝謝再來蔡議員針對這第三條我是在動物的這個 |
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定義就是被保護的這個對象我有特別納入這個非脊椎動物的一個部分但是我想這個可能考慮到就是整個整體可能還需要再再更應該是說更具體的一個周延的一個方向那這個部分就就是參考那另外就是在虐待的這個虐待的樣態 |
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我包含就是對於所謂的這個動物生理或者是心理造成一些恐懼那另外我還有特別就是希望以這個不作為所謂的不作為就可能是事主放任他傷病不理或者是不給飲水或不給食物這個部分我是想說這個事主如果是不作為的這個部分是不是也可以拿進去在我的這個版本主要是針對這兩條好以上 |
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好 謝謝 接下來張雅琳委員好 謝謝主席 那首先我還是感謝農業部就是因為我的第9條的虐待裡面我也有提到就是因作為或不作為 致動物遭受不必要之痛苦那這個部分要感謝這個農業部有採納我的版本那再來就是說在衝突樂趣的地方最主要是因為我們現在的其實在農業部現在本來就有這個1959動物保護通報統計 |
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那每一年大概有200件遊蕩犬造成農損的一個案例那交通部也有統計每年大概有3000件因為撞擊動物而導致人員傷亡的一個事故那這些都其實已經造成了所謂的公共安全的一個議題那所以呢我自己有看到就是說農業部在2023年也推動了遊蕩犬管理精進措施計畫現在其實已經有分生態樂區人犬衝突樂區然後當然還有觀光的部分都有去分 |
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然後在這些樂區裡面會進行積極的捕捉不回制然後也會有敬畏的宣導所以呢我這次的提案重點其實就是把我們現在已經在執行的政策措施提升到法律的層級啦讓樂區的畫社管理與執法有更明確的一個法源依據那 |
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我是想就是說雖然他過去我們有相關的計畫但是大家會擔心的就是說因為像這樣子的衝突民間的衝突已經一直不停的在發生那我是希望他可以進入這個法條裡面讓他變成是一個有一個責任上面我們應該要定期的去做這件事情因為計畫畢竟有可能會隨時終止所以還是希望可以入法 謝謝 |
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接下來邱議員委員蔡議員委員謝謝蔡議員委員好謝謝召委那我的提案好像還沒有被排進來因為還在還在復議期間 |
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那我的提案主要是針對第三條那針對所謂這一個市主包括市主的定義裡面有實質管理那我再增加一個定時 定點 位時那為什麼我會提出這樣的一個法案呢基本上我們知道說因為現在流浪犬存在是一個事實那我們也當然覺得流浪犬要怎麼做好源頭管制很重要 |
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大家目的都是不希望犬隻、貓隻在外面流蕩然後事實上牠們的生命權也是應該要顧但是呢確實是有一些流浪犬牠可能會涉及到、攻擊到會攻擊像騎腳踏車的老人或者是牠在校園的一個環境裡面牠們可能會在遊憩場所 |
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那去攻擊到了一些學生那甚至在我的選區裡面常常會有流浪犬他們直接突破那個隔離然後跳到那個養雞的養雞戶或養鵝的戶裡面甚至還有誇張到還會自己挖洞然後 |
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衝進那種豬寮裡面然後去裡面攻擊那在這種狀況的時候常常會產生的一個結果就是這一些受害者他們沒有辦法對任何他的財產上或者是他的健康他的生命的一個損失他們是沒有辦法去做任何的一個求償的所以我認為說至少有一個事主 |
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相當於事主的概念那在出事情的時候這一些因為他實際上長期在定時定點有餵養他那他就應該要負擔相對應的一些民事的責任而且重點這個是民事的責任 |
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他還是要透過舉證責任也就是受害者得去舉證去證明說事實上他事實上透過餵養他已經實質有在管理這樣的一個流浪的一個犬隻所以希望就是說透過這樣定義的方式讓這樣的責任是可以有一個 |
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清楚的一個分明而不是說大家有點把它延伸到說我這個法案叫做禁止餵食事實上我沒有禁止餵食你是偶然為之就是說你忽然有一隻遊覽狗過來然後你拿個東西給牠吃這沒有問題那或者是你在 |
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你臨時性的一個觸發的一個行為這都不會有問題真的是最後我們我覺得要去處理的就是說當這樣定點餵食的時候這一些流浪犬他可能就會選擇留在固定的地方那既然他們選擇留在固定的地方那造成的如果進一步有人受傷那是不是這部分至少讓他有個管道可以讓他去 |
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去做他他应该要有的一些一些诉讼上然后他去负责任所以我想这个要做一个澄清那我们当然都是希望怎么做好源头管理包括说未来怎样去做晶片弃养的人是不是可以再来这个加深他的处罚这源头管理很重要但是现阶段我们知道 |
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現在社會差不多有13萬隻流浪的犬隻這13萬隻它確實會造成部分人受害那這些受害者他要怎麼辦我們總是還是要想一個辦法所以我希望農業部就是說我知道說你們希望就是說這個因為我的法案你還沒進來那你們也希望說有更多更廣泛的討論這個我接受但是你們還繼續思考現階段整個農業部對於流浪犬的管理力道 |
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不管是你們預算的不好還是怎麼樣就是造成了這一些流浪犬他還事實上他有侵害到別人的產業有危害到別人的健康甚至還有很多我還看到有老人甚至被流浪狗咬死的新聞這樣出來那總是要有一個後端的一個這個訴訟的一個機制然後來做一個權力的一個橫評那這是我的一個主要的一個訴求謝謝 |
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好 那们请李坤诚委员谢谢谢谢主席我想讨论到现在大概就是对于这个事主还有虐待大家有不同的意见那对于事主我也希望说部长这边在对于动物之所有人大家没有意见实际管理动物之人我想这部分是不是等一下再请部长再说得更清楚一点那其实刚刚有提到说其实流浪犬的问题的确需要去做管理但是 |
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流浪群的責任跟屬於這個不特定對象然後去餵食的這一群我們講的這一群人他們是不是具有直接的連帶關係我想可能還要打上一個問號這是第一個第二個就虐待的部分其實我想在布裡面有提到說 |
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就是飼養管理之必須行為就前面除飼養管理或處置目的之必須行為外我想說這條是一定前面這些文字是一定要加進去嗎那還是說直接我們就是定義就是說用暴力不當使用藥品這些東西就來定義這一個虐待就可以了因為我不太清楚說前面加這段文字的用意在哪裡當然可能部長也說明一下 謝謝 |
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要一併說明你們記錄接下來郭益勤委員郭益勤委員 曾志全委員再來林旦樺委員 謝謝我想這一條包含其實剛剛益勤委員她所說的就是可能有人會侵入到這個他自己的所謂的這個土地裡面然後去因為餵食的關係但是我想這個餵食到底餵食等不等同於流浪動物的數量 |
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不檢這個能不能畫上等號這就像剛剛昆城委員所說的這個其實要畫上一個很大的一個問號那因為這一條其實目前為止我們所聽到的其實是沒有沒有太多的一個共識啦就我講的是社會共識這件事情 |
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那就是然後再來就是熱區到底要劃多大然後就是被定義成熱區這個熱區要維持多久要禁止餵食多久那有沒有一些配套的措施那我想這個部分也要請農業部來回應一下然後另外就是說我們如果要去執行所謂的這個熱區的管理餵食的這樣子的一個行為或檢舉這樣的一個行為 |
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是不是也要交付地方的凍檢員那我們現在全台灣的凍檢員是291人是不到300人他們有沒有這樣子的一個量能去處理這樣子的一個事情那我們今天其實討論的就是我看了大家的版本就比較沒有爭議的大部分都會是說希望這個虐待動物的我們把這個刑責拉高然後把 |
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這個所謂的非法繁殖的這件事情其實我們也納入在這個嚴格要取締的一個對象的目的之一那我想也賦予凍檢員有更多的執法權利但我們在賦予凍檢員執法的權利其實在第一線我們處理的人力是完全不夠的狀況之下291人是全台灣喔 |
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到底什麼人要來走這個有沒有辦法可以承擔這些如果真的進就是這一條進入入法了之後然後再來如果說是侵入到別人的領地當中去做餵食的動作或者是因為餵食然後這些流浪犬造成的所謂的這個不管是農損或是個人財務的部分是不是其實還有其他的法也存在因為這個像刑法306條你如果侵入到別人的土地其實光是這個 |
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所謂的這個舉證他其實就可以依照刑法來做處理那一定要放在動物保護法裡面嗎這是我的以上意見那也請農業部回應一下我們的動檢員有沒有辦法來處理這件事情還有現在社會當中有兩種不同的一個聲音我們應該要怎麼樣來來彌平這些旗艦好 以上好 謝謝接下來我們請鄭正前委員請農業部將委員所提的待會一併來做說明 謝謝 |
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OK 针对那个第三条部分因为那四组定义这部分那因为刚刚义渝的版本其实我发现在资本里面没有排进来那不过因为刚刚义渝也那个讲得很清楚他对于这个定时定点未时之人这个四组新定义这部分那我个人其实是有几个点要提出来就是说因为我觉得这个问题其实它不是一个价值选择它也包括说 |
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技术面怎么去第一线执行上的问题所以对于所谓的定时定点这个部分其实我就会有一些疑问就是怎么样才叫定时那什么叫定点那因为比方说他们很多时候在喂食的时候可能在一个区域当中并不一定是真正的一个小范围的一个定点在那个地方那时间的部分来说的时候因为事实上在做这个喂食的部分来讲其实他们有些时候其实是不特定的 |
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誰吼那所以他們事實上很多具體的現象是多人輪流餵食那多人輪流餵食的時候誰才是真正的事主我覺得這部分可能也必須農業部這邊也必須好好去思考一下這個問題我們如果要訂一個新的一個法律出來的時候那不要造成第一線包括執法的人或者相關的人他們的一些困擾所以我在想說針對那個事主定義這邊的時候我覺得可能必須要有比較 |
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诶 详细一点的一个考量因为比方说轮流喂食这边的时候我们就会发现而且这些犬只来讲的时候呢他们很可能也没有办法去对照到底是张三李是ABC谁在特定的去喂养特定的犬只那对于这样的一些认定我们如果到时候要执法有一些处罚相关的部分的时候我们第一线人要怎么去做 |
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还是事实上第一线的人其实会无所适从没有办法真正去执行这样的一个法律所以我在想说针对这个事主的定义可能大家要稍微做一个更细致的一个思考以上谢谢好谢谢接下来林大焕委员再接下来就那个谢一芳委员谢谢好那个我请我回归于这个狗的特性啊 |
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到底这个狗它是一个一定是群聚那狗的这个我先讲一点第一个我先谴责一下农业部因为我觉得历任的农业部部长是没有动物生命关联的 |
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当我们在讲动物的生命权要不要入线的时候这个议题都已经提升到生命权动物它是属于生命的一部分要入线的讨论的时候这样的一个民意都已经在民间这样的讨论的时候那在我们的相关的立法我觉得农业部还是以物权来做这样的 |
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一个立法所以我谴责的部分是你们应该要让任何的这个游荡动物都应该有所归促所以我的论点在历届的咨询都提到如果当公立的收容所不足的时候就应该善用 |
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把我们民间的收容所把它纳入我们整个在安置游荡动物的一个民间协力的一个政策但是也就是因为我们历任的部长都没有生命权也不接受生命教育就直接来当部长 |
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所以就是只好变成我们现在游荡动物这个事情就必须谁在处理其实都是民间在做所以才会有这个喂养或者是宠物嘛如果这个动物它变成是自己家犬那就变成宠物啦百分百的驯化 |
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那其实狗它也来自狼狼之后这个野性的狼经过长期的驯化之后变成狗了然后变成家犬了那家犬是百分百驯化的狼这个物种是这样子来的啊 |
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好那家犬他不会当然他就是完全是以人跟人建立起关系他跟他的同侪也就是他的其他的狗的同侪不见得有这样的一个感情的建立了好那现在回归到流浪犬当他不能成立宠物的时候他就是在外流荡那在外流荡的时候谁在处理他谁在喂养他 |
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不会是官员吧都是全台湾的爱心爸爸爱心妈妈去喂养所以过往我也都主张针对这些爱心的爸爸妈妈们呢也应该要给他专业的支持有爱心不一定有专业就算他有专业他想要透过也需要一些公权力的支持所以这个我的一个第一个小结这个到底喂养 |
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好 如果這個餵養是不是會有降低你的流浪權 |
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这个你们要回答群聚的喂养会不会降低流浪群也就是说你现在如果不做群聚的喂养我坚决反对随机喂养像阳明山那些野狗然后人民就看到然后就养然后就是四处乱上造成山林的破坏我坚决反对随机喂养但是这个群聚的喂养你们要不要 |
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管理也因为群聚的喂养现在都民间自主的所以我们才能执行TNR因为执行的TNR能够所谓类精准捕抓因为我说类似精准捕抓还有一定的定义我说类精准捕抓因为群聚了我比较好能够抓一些能够抓起来做结扎 |
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甚至是不是能从中当中去特别针对比较凶残的攻击性的狗我特别除了结扎之外特别在做什么样的处理这个就是群聚喂养目前你能够让这个流浪狗降低的最重要的一个手段就是因为你的群聚的喂养而能执行TNR而降低了流浪狗 |
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好那至於如果我個人所閱讀的文獻沒有錯誤的話會去做人畜犬人犬攻擊或者是犬畜攻擊的做人犬攻擊的大部分都是家狗譬如說我會去跑到馬路上跑到哪裡去攻擊 |
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我如果阅读的监察院的文献没有错误的话80%都是来自家犬 |
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好去攻擊那些雞啦那個去牧場的都是野狗就是他是完全是處於飢餓的狀態他才會去餵養他他才會是因為我沒有我找不到食物所以他幾乎就狼性他就是狼性的狗所以他就是野化的狗所以他就去攻擊那反而是因為沒有餵養 |
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所以今天我覺得回歸今天法案的來講其實每個委員不分黨派這都是希望能夠對這個尊重生命即使是流浪狗都希望他是自然 |
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安死自然安死安養沒辦法得到但是自然的安死透過結紮然後他自然的就會死亡了他的年齡也確實一定會比我們的家犬會短短少所以自然了 |
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那是不是要透過今天另外一個議題產生2 飢餓如果飢餓會達到減少流浪犬嗎這是一個另外一個議題飢餓不會減少流浪犬它只是激勵的群聚野化的狗更加攻擊性的去 |
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如果这边是我们可以讨论的基础的话好那么回归法令了 |
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今天用飢餓用禁止餵食是不是能夠達到人群的能夠減少人群的衝突顯然是不會的好 |
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那要不要去管理群聚的喂食我认为这是要的那要不要第三个我要不要解决人畜的犬畜的攻击这个事情确实是要处理怎么可以让这个动物然后游荡游荡的动物去攻击到人呢甚至这个野化 |
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這個野化的這樣的一個犬隻我們就任由他他在四處野化去攻擊我們的經濟作物呢這個當然要處理可是回歸是要用禁止用禁止餵食用飢餓來達到這樣的目的如果可行如果真可行那我你們再討論 |
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那如果不可行方法又是在哪裡所以我對於衝突熱區我個人是支持你們行政院的版本你們的版本雖然沒出來但我也閱讀了你們禁制在什麼什麼保育區等一下你們說明一下你們好像有六個嘛那那個我認為我支持那我也支持現在賴清德總統的叫做衛星 |
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衛星什麼那個我們總統公布的那個衛星那個收容所他要林務署去盤點哪些林務森林是可以作為不影響生態這個是前提喔不影響山林生態的情況之下去建置所謂的收容所 |
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這個好 我覺得賴總統這個就是好所以他也在公部門的收容所跟民間的收容所當中再找出一條路來做收容那這個可能對於我們遊蕩動物的安置 |
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跟安養也許是一個動作但這個就要部長您指示下去林務署因為我知道林務署完全沒動作把總統的這樣的一個政策呢把它呢就當做耳邊風這個就等一下也看你怎麼樣的指示好 以上那我就是對於衝突樂趣我支持行政院版本 |
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用禁止餵食而來達到也就是說也不要說禁止餵食這件事情我個人是非常非常反對因為它只會造成更多的問題它會造成我流浪犬沒有辦法進行截殺它造成了我的這個群聚狼隻的集體的野化因為它找不到食物那對我人跟保育類動物那更慘 |
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那對於這個我們的這個基於這個這個群聚的如何是不是要去規範到群聚的這個定時定點的餵養因為現在民間自然在做那你們要不要去管理 |
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那我覺得你們多多跟民間的再多一些討論吧我也不希望因為他們的這樣定時餵養造成周邊的一個環境的污染啊那甚至是不是有噪音啊這個也不對啊所以你們要不要納入管理我想這個也你們可以多跟民間的這些動保社團再多一些討論吧好 謝謝 以上好 謝謝接下來我們請謝一芬委員 謝謝 |
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考量到未来我们到了23条要来讨论就是这些洞检员是否就是变成洞保官或者是动物警察这样子的一个更具有强制力的一个公务人员的身份的时候那的确我们对于目前这个事主是不是要把这种 |
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非特定区域就是未养的这样子的一些善心人士那把它列为共同的事主那我认为这个部分必须要来严格界定因为这会导致到未来执法的时候 |
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會有模糊的空間以至於所有的執法人員或者是大家要來做這些強制力的時候會有不同的界定的方式我相信可能我們過去如果是在動檢員的階段時候我們對於這個事主的界定也許不用這樣子這麼 |
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明确但是未来如果要赋予洞检员或者是动物警察更高的强制力的时候再麻烦其他的委员对于这个事主就是说到底要不要把这种非特定的就是说我们一个热区的这些流浪犬猫然后有固定喂养或者是轮流喂养等等的把它列为共同的事主 |
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這會影響到未來執法的這些問題以及這些共同事主有沒有辦法去負擔這些犬貓他們所有的行為這也會面臨到就是說未來我們在 |
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做相关的一些公权力行使的时候的一些问题还有也会主确了这些善心人士去协助就是我们政府来共同管理这样子流浪犬猫的这个问题那我觉得这个部分我们是不是后续应该要更详加的讨论那希望说就是说大家对于这个问题能够 |
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明确就是说如果我们要给强制力的时候那是不是应该对于模糊的事主的认定以及定义是不是应该要更就是说更更审慎呢好谢谢 |
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好 謝謝 接下來我們請郭玉琴委員好 我想這個1998年我們的這個動保法到現在喔那我們之所以會有這個動物保護法其實就是希望能夠賦予這些需要被保護的動物一個法律上的一個慰藉啦那我想這些所謂的這個動物保護其實也應該是也含括所有的 |
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動物那也包含流浪動物那我想這個流浪動物並不是後面才額外加進來被保護的一個對象那回歸到其實剛剛其實幾位委員有特別提到這也是我一直不斷的在強調就是我們的收容量能其實各地的收容所的收容量能基本上是從2017年林安樂政策上路之後那再加上其實在那一兩年當中 |
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必須說啦當時其實會不會是因為沒有配套所以這個TNR的強度做得不夠導致現在還是有很多的所謂的流浪貓狗的一個問題喔那我想這也是必須我們大家一起要去承擔的一個部分喔那我也一直在強調就是公司協力的一個部分我們怎麼樣讓 |
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因為民間在做所謂的TNR TNR當時其實已經變成是一種國家的政策但是現在在第一線的做TNR的這些所謂的志工們現在因為這樣子的一個想說要把所謂的不管是熱區也好禁止餵食的也好或者是餵食的嚴格的管理的這些所謂的要入法其實我的辦公室這兩天已經接到無數通的電話是來自於第一線的志工他們說那以後我變成次組 |
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那我真的不敢再餵了因為我擔心但是為什麼他們會有這樣子的一個擔心就是因為回歸到我們的這個農業部應該做的事情就是我們收容的量能不夠啦我們收容的量能真的不足所以在這個TNR |
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的狀況之下其實我們會不會真的讓很多在前線幫我們在做這些強制結紮的這些志工們有寒蟬效應這個法進來之後有沒有這麼大的一個爭議還有回歸到剛剛我說的我們的凍檢員已經是每年招考每年不足 |
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現在再加了這一條進來我們將來要處理的可能也不只是人權的問題還有人跟人之間的衝突這個部分是不是也應該要一併的考慮進去那目前為止其實兩邊的旗艦還是這麼的大那所以我想這個部分是不是也請農業部好好的來說明一下就是剛剛各個委員所提到的這些他們有質疑的一個部分以上 |
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好 謝謝那我們最後再請農業部針對委員所提出的 不管是提案委員或現場委員所提出那不管是樂區等灰脊椎的納入那還有市主的這個問題 這個爭議非常的大 |
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聲音非常的大還有定時定點怎麼去認定目前我們總共只有291人那要怎麼樣去能夠真正的落實我想我們修法最重要的除了聆聽各團體的意見社會大眾的共識委員的提案行政部門的一個說法跟提案 |
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那在這個充分討論我們總是希望能夠解決問題是真正能夠保護動物那真正也能夠讓這個所有的社會大眾達到一個共識這個就是我一直很希望的將這個時間給社會大眾以及給委員所提案跟行政部門好好的溝通再溝通好 請行政部門針對於這個部分請說明 |
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我想首先謝謝剛才發言的所有的委員的一些建議然後我在這邊我想做幾個說明 |
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就行政部門來講我們制定任的一個法案或者修訂一個法案特別是動保法的時候我們第一個考慮的就是這些法案一定要有可執行性如果沒有辦法可執行性的時候到時候立了法以後變成說後續沒辦法做到位那會變成負面的一直這樣循環所以我們是採取這樣的一個態度第二個態度就是說我想動物保護本身除了 |
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在家飼養的寵物或者是放養的這些犬隻或者是遊蕩的這些犬隻事實上我們都要尊重而且是應該是用一致性的一個方式去尊重這個動物的生命這個特別是剛才林太華委員所提到的我想我們在第一條的那個用詞第一條的那個目的的時候其實就把動物尊重動物生命這個名詞已經放進去了那這個部分我想第一點要說明的 |
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第二個部分就是因為法案裡面有 |
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不同的利害關係人對於一件事情的看法可能會不一樣那我們希望在修法的過程中其實動法法從立法以來他已經修了十幾次十五次了那這麼多次修正就是說有共識的我們先處理這樣動法法才能夠一步一步的往前走沒有辦法一次解決那如果說需要再溝通再討論的部分我們都希望說能夠在 |
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更積極的去做溝通讓各界的利害關係有一個共識的方向我們再來處理這是我想農業部的一個基本立場那接下來剛才提到的有幾個委員的議題就是飼養的問題的部分飼主的部分 |
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那市的部分特別是像蔡議員所提到的定時定點的餵養那因為一旦做因為這一條是做定義一旦這邊做了定義以後就會牽連到後面的這些餵養的這些責任或是是不是有一些義務的部分所以當有一些委員版本所提到的定時定點的時候那相對的我剛才說了因為在執行面 |
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我们不可能蹲点永远一直蹲点再去看是不是定时定点所以它的执行面是非常困难的而且喂食的时候在外面喂食的时候它不是特定的犬吃都是那一只来吃可能有不特定的族群的狗来做这样子的一个接受喂食的动作所以在后续我想可能需要更多的 |
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这些讨论才能够把这些喂养的部分能够做比较有精准的但是后面的条文会扯到一些喂养的动作也许不一定在现在定义的时候就去处理把这样的一个更严谨的规范放进去因为它会扯到后面的条文那后面条文如果说大家有一个更好的共识的时候必须再去重新修改前面的定义的时候我们再来处理这是我第一个意见第二个部分是 |
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刚才特别提到的就是热区的部分那我也跟各位报告其实热区其实最终的目的就是让我们的资源能够更精准的去投入这个人选址比较多的这样的一个热区那相对的 |
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因為現在目前我們有一些所謂的生態熱區為了保護野生動物有一些生態熱區有一些環境熱區的部分那現在如果說畫這樣的一個熱區它必須要有一個科學的依據而且要有一個非常非常精準的一個調查因為熱區一旦定義下去的時候就要有界限 |
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它不能是一個範圍 不能是一個範圍可是當你去看遊蕩犬群聚那群聚不一定會造成問題 |
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因為我們如果現在觀察一些犬隻的攻擊它可能是一個隨機性的偶然性的那雖然說群聚有可能造成類似起哄的這個動作但是所有的事情都必須要經過更精準的這些調查所以後續我想在整個熱區裡面我想農業部已經會啟動絕對會啟動一個更精準的調查我剛才也問了 |
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过往在所谓的科学研究的过程里面对于这种动物的特别是游荡犬的动物的部分的行为的部分几乎很少涉猎那我觉得我们更应该鼓励更多的研究投入这方面 |
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包括動物的這些行為模式當作我們後面的一個執政的執行的一個參考我剛才回到剛才講的就算它在外面是流蕩的我們也要做適當的一個處理這個處理絕對不是就是把它殺掉 |
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我們一定要有一個比較好的安置的地方給他所以我剛才也一方面回應剛才那個林大萬委員所提到的那因為扯到後面的條文就是我們現在目前已經針對那個野生動物保護區自然保護區跟自然保留區三個區我們是依照那個野保法森林法我們劃設這個園區禁止餵養那為什麼要禁止餵養因為 |
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它會造成跟裡面的野生動物做一些衝突啦所以這個在辦法上面我們已經訂了那第二個部分就是我們也啟動了所有的在嚴提農村再生計畫我想全台灣有非常非常多的社區都提農村再生計畫我也正式把要去做動物保護注重動物福利的這個項目把它名列在你要執行農村再生計畫裡面的一個要件 |
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因為過往都是由動保師單一個經費去支持那經費一定有限那人手也是因為委辦的部分補助的部分都是有限的那唯有透過比較更大的層面的經費支持才有可能做到去落實動物保護的這個部分這是第二個第三個就是剛才所提到的就是 |
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可不可能做在我們的現在目前的不會影響生態前提之下的一些所謂的保留區的部分去做一個所謂的動物收容這是我個人提的而且經國總統那邊會議的時候去討論的那我們也 |
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要求了林保署提供了多筆的土地然後也處理去現勘的部分所以這個部分我想我們用沙盒的方式先去做處理因為唯有收容的處所比較充分的時候才有機會讓這些遊蕩犬有家可回啦這是我想我基本的看法因為我家裡也養狗也養貓所以我對這個東西一直是非常重視的這是第二個第三個就是剛才委員提到就是虐待裡面 |
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的第一段寫的除止飼養管理及處置目的之必須行為外為什麼要放這個東西最主要是我們講動物除了寵物以外還有一些經濟動物那經濟動物的時候就必須做相關的這些這些飼養管理或處置為目的所以我我們還是有把這個條文放進去這是部分然後剛才 |
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委員也提到的有非常多的這些凍檢員現在291位其實我們接受到我們統計全臺灣接受到這種虐待動物的這些通報一年大概十幾萬件平均一個月大概一萬多件那這麼多的案件裡面我怎麼樣讓凍檢員能夠有充分的人力去做這樣的一個支持這個部分我想我們也 |
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也一直在跟人種這邊做溝通因為地方政府的凍檢凍保人員跟防疫人員經常是在同一個單位當你防疫多的時候你的所有的人員就調去做防疫所以凍檢人員反而是很辛苦的一群所以這個部分如果說我們的標的沒有辦法非常精準的時候就會造成他們後續 |
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去做處置的時候徒勞沒有相關的一個功能存在這是我想基本上另外有一個就是 |
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我剛才說了就是動物的行為後續要更做有系統的去調查包括牠的分布那這個部分我想我們會處理包括也可以去處理到剛才有委員提到的這種群聚的這些犬隻到底牠的跟牠的一個餵養是不是有直接的關聯性那這個部分我想在不同的團體牠們的認知 |
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是不一樣的所以我可以說像這種就是比較不同的認知我們應該用科學跟事實的調查來跟外界做溝通所以我最後的建議就是說在這一條裡面除了虐待裡面放進去以外那其他的條文因為都沒有得到一個大家一致的共識然後是先建議不放那有一些是在後續條文會處理到的 |
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那如果處理覺得說大家有共識的時候再往前去處理這個定義的問題以上謝謝接下來我們請哪一位邱志偉委員然後蔡議員 |
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謝謝謝謝主席部長您剛剛提到就是我們修法要具有可執行性如果是一個空泛的概念就沒有辦法去執行所以提到這個樂區我第一個問題想請教國外有沒有相關的立法例 |
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關於熱區作為一個執行的手段沒有如果沒有的話它是一個在台灣才有的一個概念這概念最後形成政策政策要去執行所以你說要必須要用一個科學對不對 |
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所以這個部分我覺得應該要好好的探討因為國外沒有相關的立法例也沒有相關的政策在執行那你的樂區你說要有一個科學標準那要畫攝 畫攝之前是不是要有個指引有個指引你這個到時候畫攝是地方政府的權還是中央政府的權會不會造成這個權責不分所以這個部分 |
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我覺得這個要好好的討論因為你國外如果有相關成功的立法例或者執行成效不錯又符合科學而且我覺得要有共識要有共識因為這個它是一個移動的概念它不是一個它是一個動態我可能說這個永遠樂趣永遠是樂趣 |
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有时候其他区域有可能一段时间之后还变乐趣所以它是一个动态的我觉得这个应该要好好的深入去分析一下我说以上建议来 蔡议员我想 |
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首先我同意部長說在這個議題要收納更多的不同意見這個我同意但是我想部長你身為農業部事實上你也知道為什麼流浪的犬隻最多的地方在哪裡大概都在High Cow |
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為什麼都在海邊因為有養殖養殖漁業那現在的流浪犬他們基本上已經有辦法直接跳到養殖池裡面然後去抓魚所以他們是有固會有一點食物的來源不能說固定而至少說是說養殖池裡面的大概流浪犬就會集中在整個沿海這個是事實上大家都知道的事實 |
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那在沿海地區的流浪犬如果他們既然有養殖池裡面的魚可以吃那他們有沒有減少對於一些人的追逐或者是因為就是說造成人的一些傷亡還是有發生所以這是都是寄存的一個事實所以我現在強調的就是說現階段我們 |
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社會上就是有13萬隻的流浪犬而且這些流浪犬目前也都還在看起來是在增加的那當然是說我們是不是就這個TNR的落實度還不夠所以我 我覺得說社會上很多事情大家都可以來討論而不是說有一個想法一個概念提出的時候哇 就是站在批判基本上我的提案我從來沒有說要禁止餵食喔 |
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我没有说要禁止喂我只是说既然你在固定定时定点的喂食的话那你就承担一点责任如果万一有出状况的时候你总是要跟这一些受伤的人去得面对他因为你定时定点当然您说的在进入细节的讨论定时定点不见得是同一只流浪犬 |
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這個都沒錯所以這個就是舉證的困難那舉證的困難的環節點要在哪一段被釐清呢不是你們釐清耶你們不用釐清耶是哪一段要釐清你知道吧部長你也知道吧是法官要釐清這是法院舉證責任的問題 |
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那我們也知道在訴訟過程中舉證之所在敗訴之所在誰要負舉證責任當然是受傷的被害者要負舉證責任他要去舉證說攻擊我的這隻流浪犬是有人定時定點在餵食他所以我基本上我把他認為他有實質的在管理這隻流浪犬所以我認為我的財產損失我的受傷 |
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跟這隻流浪犬有關係那實質管理他的人是不是也要跟我負點一起責任所以這個站在農業部的立場你們只要把這件事宣導好而且我覺得你們更應該宣導的應該是我講白了啦我養了一隻我養了一隻喔剪了耳朵的流浪貓養了8年 |
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剪了耳朵就表示他曾經流浪過然後被抓去結紮然後把他剪耳在日本為了鼓勵大家去養這樣有剪耳的飼犬都把這個剪耳膠剪成一個櫻花的形狀然後把它叫做櫻花貓然後去鼓勵這樣的行為就我們今天好像有一點就是說我們不是在鼓勵大家去把流浪犬帶回去飼養我們沒有去鼓勵這樣的行為我們反而在鼓勵的變成是說我去 |
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我去養牠我去野外養牠然後讓牠繼續流浪只是我給牠我去餵食牠然後讓牠有一頓的溫飽這樣的話並不是整個解決這件事情的方法而且我也沒有要禁止這件事情我只是認為說一旦發生事情的時候讓法院有個標準那這個標準去定奪出這一些責任的一個歸屬 |
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我是覺得說這總是要面對問題嘛我們想要這個問題在更細膩的討論的時候我也主張說好那我們也可以甚至再做一些排外除外條款說好如果這一隻產生問題的流浪犬它是已經絕渣的或者是這個位置的人他 |
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他可以举证证明说我基本上就是在带犬只去劫渣的人就是我是这个志工的概念我都带犬只去完成劫渣那我可以免除责任我觉得再细腻一点这样讨论也可以那就等于说让麦希针对这些在协助我们处理流浪狗的人我们不要去苛语他任何的责任但是喂食者有好的喂食者也是有不好的喂食者吧 |
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这些比较需要比较不当的喂食者那一旦发生问题的时候他就一句话说不是我家的狗那是流浪狗然后就这样屁股拍拍什么都不管了这样也不好而且这样对于我们在面对流浪狗的政策的时候也不是一个解决之道 |
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所以我就同意 我同意柏丁 你再多聽一點意見可是我今天我是把這些聲音帶給你而且我實際上 我來自海靠我們寶堤當初我們這裡有很多養殖漁運的我們那裡的流浪狗超級多為什麼超級多呢因為他們有固定的食物的一個來源他們可以去漁運那裡但是這些流浪狗他們對於人 車的追逐性沒有減少 |
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看起來是這個樣子而且聲音最大的大概也都來自於沿海地帶大家跟遊覽狗人畜的衝突最大的反而不是在都市真的是在沿海地帶這個可以思考一下 |
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好謝謝接下來張雅玲委員好謝謝那我想我們在81年初的時候呢訂立了這個動保法當時是因為在花蓮縣新竹縣跟台北縣連續發生三期犬隻咬死幼童的一個事件引起了社會的關注所以開始了有了這樣子的起點那剛剛呢其實部長有講到生命權這個概念 |
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這也是要講到生命權的概念但是我想就是在自然保護區或是剛剛講的那些區域裡面我們是禁止餵食有講到生命權是因為要保護到野生動物的生命權但是我們現在在不管是沿海地區也好都會地區也好它跟經濟動物之間產生的這個衝突那誰的生命權應該被照顧呢然後再來還有它因為我其實一直以來處理了很多大學很多的大學特別是最近屏東這個 |
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屏東科大他們又發生了這個女學生差點被衝出來的遊蕩犬差點已經是有受傷啦差點死亡的一個狀態而這樣子的案例其實是層出不窮的那這個生命權又應該如何選擇呢我覺得這其實是一個好多人的生命到底應該如何抉擇的一個狀態啦這是一個很困難 |
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因為我想今天大家在場的討論其實所有的委員都是愛都是基於一個愛基於希望怎麼樣去更多的去報這個照顧這樣子的一個心情來去討論這件事情但這真的是一個非常艱難的議題那同時還有像徵收權在去年年底他們發布了一個統計數字就是有九成的那個徵收都受到阻擋包含在花蓮正宅的時候那 |
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人類在這個救難過程的生命權是不是也非常的珍貴呢所以我想這個是一個可能會需要更多更多的討論來去納入的所以特別再來就是說我的版本其實呢是只有針對衝突樂區那待會我也會針對衝突樂區再進一步的請教這個部長意見但是我要先釐清一件事情澄清一件事情我們現在的衝突樂區應該是本來就是禁止餵食吧 |
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這是要釐清的第一點那再來就是說我們現在是宣導的概念所以我的版本其實也是沒有完全禁止餵食喔所以TNR還是可以執行的只要你經過主管機關許可就可以誘捕 |
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跟餵食好這個部分是沒有問題的那再來再回到第二個問題是我們的其實就像剛剛易宇委員講的餵食也不代表他真的有去落實結扎這件事情那也不代表他真的是會給他好的一個照顧因為其實從很多遊蕩犬照出來的X光裡面我們有看到一些照片是可能四個月的幼犬他吃了很多的骨頭在他的肚子裡 |
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那這樣子的餵食是可以接受的嗎這也是一個很大的問題那再來就是說也有一些前線的TNR的職工告訴我們是說如果一直在餵食的時候他們的誘捕就變得非常的困難這也是前線遇到的一個問題那所以我接下來就想要請教部長幾個問題 |
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我們現在在114年的這個遊蕩犬的管理經濟措施計畫其實這個應該是還沒有核定嘛那我不太確定這待會可以說明一下我們一直以來都有從108年執行到現在那今年如果沒有核定的話那這個部分到底要不要繼續做下去這是第一個第二個從108年做到現在已經六七年了 |
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那六七年我們到底有沒有分析出來這個管理計畫的優點是什麼缺點是什麼那這個是不是可以再告訴我們你們的經濟措施又是什麼那再來第三個我們現在因為之前我有在推這個就是APP |
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請用公民科學家的概念一起來去呈現到底有多少的遊蕩犬的這個議題嗎可以幫助大家來做更好的政策的制定所以我想要知道你們現在已經上了這個犬中APP到底未來會如何的跟遊蕩犬管理經濟措施計畫做一個銜接呢它到底之間有沒有什麼樣子的聯動關係因為我們其實在我的版本裡面也一直不停的再去強調就是我們一定要經過一個科學研究因為我認為我們現在我覺得這是農業部的失職 |
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我們這是農業部的失職我們對於這些相關的科學研究包含剛剛部長說群聚也不必然造成攻擊我覺得我們已經做了這麼多年我們還搞不清楚這件事情真的是農業部該打屁股所以 |
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那這個在這個剛剛有提到就是林保帝的部分我想林保帝之前也是有團體大概在五天內就有三四千人連署抗議了那所以我覺得這個部分的話呢我們在相關的這些討論裡面應該都要廣納更多不同團體的意見 |
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才對包含我想這個議委他們那邊的產業的團體可能都會受到一些影響我說在整個動保法討論上面應該要廣納更多人的討論因為把所有的利益利害關係人會受害的都應該要納進來討論才會是一個更全面的觀點那我覺得這個還是農業不失職啦謝謝 |
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好謝謝郭益勤委員好我想這題一直都有很大的這個旗艦不過我想釐清到底這個熱區講的是生態熱區還是衝突熱區那我覺得如果是在生態熱區然後就是要嚴格的禁止 |
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這個餵食這個管理我覺得應該是比較多人的兩邊的一個共識那這個熱區的定義到底是什麼等一下會請教一下這個農業部那我想這個地方上如果真的碰到所謂的流浪動物群聚這樣子的一個造成衝突的一個問題在地方是不是已經有工具可以給民眾比方說他可以打電話給動保處 |
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那動保處就會進行去前去捕捉那捕捉完之後看是要安置還是要安置在收容所還是要安置在其他的收容所還是協力的一些所謂的民間的這個收容的一個單位那如果沒辦法收容的時候是不是可能就是比較溫和的狗他們就會進行所謂的TNR |
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那天鵝仔可能就是在回治我相信應該是這樣子的一個處理所以民眾如果碰到所謂的人權的衝突或者是流浪動物的一個群聚的一個狀況他覺得已經被受干擾的請問民眾有沒有這方面的工具那地方政府到底有沒有這樣子的工具可以執行我相信這個應該是有的啦應該是有的然後再來我剛剛一直在講 |
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四組的責任其實真的很重要包含一語委員她所說的就是這個海口的部分其實你們這個海邊的部分其實很多流浪動物的存在那我想其實這個部分也跟所謂的放養的觀念 |
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這個不准放養的這個觀念沒有被落實在地方有很大很大的一個需要精進的地方你看在都會區其實就沒有相對這樣子的一個問題但是問題到了鄉間到了偏鄉或者是到了這個農業的縣市其實離開了都會區其實放養的習慣 |
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這個如果沒有被嚴格的改變或執行或者是在強制他們這些所謂的自主你應該要把你平常會放養又不結紮的這些狗狗你應該要去強調的是這個部分的一個結紮的一個管理我覺得這個才是源頭最重要的一件事情那我想跟餵不餵食這件事情我相信現在因為民間還有很多不同的一個聲音我們在這一點如果一直卡在這個第三條 |
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那我想这个主席我们今天可能一直就会一直不断地卡在这个地方那我们下面其实还有很多的有一些包含大家有共识的虐待动物的刑责我们要把它拉高或者是取缔非法繁殖的这样子的一个条文我们把它写进去赋予动检员更多的执法的权利还有包含动保管的部分我们下面其实真的就不用讨论了所以这条我建议是不是可以先行保留好 谢谢 来 |
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接下來我們最後一位因為針對這一條我們已經討論超過40分鐘目的就是要讓大家發表大家的意見來最後我們請林大華委員 |
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在这边我具体做一个建议其实你们有在做只是说没有把它当作一个专案列馆这个参与蔡委员他在海边当中的一个流浪狗的群聚其实这个我要感谢你们其实在我的自己的选区其实你们都有这样的支持因为我主张地毯式 |
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而且小范围寄地毯小范围不间断的持续一年以上的结扎也就是说我这三个镇头我三个村我三个里特别的有流浪犬的出没好我就你们就一笔经费下来委托县市政府的这个动保处或动保这个单位然后呢就每个星期都做 |
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只做这三挨征讨连续做几当我不相信那边的这样的流浪犬的结扎不会完备那一区大概有二三十只你大概经过一年而且这样的结扎当然配合你的喂食但喂食只是一个手段我们重点还是减少流浪犬这样的透过喂食TNR然后呢这个 |
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大量的这个结扎那然后呢再来最后这一招就是配合你现在政府的卫星流浪卫星的收容所你就把这种非常特别群聚的就以蔡玉蔡委员我们未来的蔡县长他特别在意的那一个区域的狗能够全部的 |
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这个安置安置在你们现在的卫星犬我觉得这个是很好的一个示范因为有目标绵密地毯小范围持续至少一年以上的结扎然后把这些犬只能够安置在你们的卫星犬我觉得这样才能够彻底解决这种群群如果这个案例可以成功那我相信大概这种 |
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在海边的这种群聚的或者是在龙地经济作物的那种群聚的我觉得就都可以解决所以我以上做这个具体的反而是这样的执行比我今天说谁来喂养谁就有责任因为如果照这样的话连喂养的人他是不是都要全国列管然后哪只狗被喂养了第一只来第二只来第三只来每只狗我都要做记号了 |
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这个然后呢再让法官法官还是讲证据所以我觉得还是回归我要解决问题降低流浪权安置流浪权这才是正办谢谢以上所以我在这边提出具体专案针对我们未来蔡县长的部分那我会提出这个东西是因为你们有支持过我在我的选区里面去执行我觉得效果非常好 |
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也就是所以要感謝你們好謝謝好謝謝林大華委員那麼委員衝刃發言來請那個農業部 |
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我想謝謝委員的一些建議那我還是強調就是說其實任何的物種包括人類跟犬隻其實生命要彼此尊重那像特別是有一些遊蕩犬特別在海邊像這發生在永安的這些野狗咬死人我覺得當我們的人外出的時候會因為擔心而不敢外出 |
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那基本上我們就必須做適度的去做這些處理的方式這處理絕對不是就把它撲殺掉那我想這也是我剛才講的就是我會用農村再生計畫強力的去做這樣子的一個有關於動物福利跟動物保護的 |
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包括結紮這些東西包括去徵收包括剛才林大華委員講的這些東西因為農村再生它可以普及到更多的這些農村社區因為現在很多遊蕩犬在都會區是比較不會發生但是在鄉下區是比較多的 |
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所以用這種專案因為農災計畫就是一個專案的方式那過往農災計畫是沒有這個項目的我把它強制納入一個項目而且我更鼓勵說如果那個村落那個聚落是願意專門執行這個 |
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龍寨計畫就完全提這個不用提其他的我都同意這個是第一個第二個就是剛才提到的就是包括因為牽扯到事主的定義就牽扯到後續的餵養的部分他的確是需要更多的這些討論達到一個共識那特別是蔡委員所關心的這些 |
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沿海地區遊蕩犬現在大概15萬多隻不是16萬不過從過往的這些調查裡面它的族群數並沒有在增加那表示說TM VIVA有它的一定的成效不然以狗的自然繁殖倍率來講它可能更多但是我們應該要更努力去執行讓這些遊蕩犬找到一個收容的處所才是正辦 |
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你如果把所有的遊蕩犬讓它有一個安置的家去收容的時候那我們現在看到這個現象是比較不會發生但是收容所大家都知道因為要找地很困難那民間的這些收容所我們現在也開始採用公私協力的方式雖然說有一些收容所本身因為土地的不合法或者是房舍的不合法會導致公部門不敢 |
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真正的去合作但是我覺得可以撇開這個怎麼樣用公私協力的方式去處理這個收容的問題包括我們新提的這些衛星的這些收容所當你更擴大然後不會有地的問題的時候就比較容易解決 |
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那剛才張雅玲 張委員所提到三個問題就是兩個計畫都已經通過了包括那個動物保護友善的那個計畫跟那個優化收容的計畫都過了那同樣的就是我們現在遇到一些收容的時候我們現在有APP那個APP就是我們現在過往我們勘災的時候有沒有看到一些災情我們拍照回來我們就利用這個轉成我們犬隻的追蹤 |
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那這個APP以後可以當作一個相關的熱區的一個認定那我再次強調就是熱區的目的是希望我們投入更精準的不管是TMVR的部分或是其他的協助跟輔導的作為當作一個依據但是我們是不建議在這個階段這個時間點把它納入法的定義我們因為現在要定義就會比較 |
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就是有它的明確的界線那我們實務上是用這種概念去處理我們現在的資源的投入讓它更精準化這個部分我想我先做這樣的一個說明那還是去強調就是我想市主的責任本身是一個非常重要的但是遊蕩權本身它是另外一個我們必須謹慎去處理的議題那後續我想我們必須要更努力以上 |
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好 针对于第三条谢谢 部长可以做刚刚部长没有回答到我就是过去已经执行了六年那个优缺点到底是什么优点是什么 缺点是什么好了 我们请冬宝再说 |
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跟委員報告那過去的執行的一個計劃我們有做了一些檢討那主要的一個起初的部分有兩個最主要的問題就是當初第一個是樂趣的劃分那樂趣的劃分以往都是由地方政府按照在地的一些狀況去劃分所以起初的一個劃分的一個標準相對不一致那到後期的部分尤其是這兩年我們把相關的一些基本的要件 |
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规范上去而且把相关的资料收集回馈给地方政府去进一步去处理乐区的划分那第二个部分当初的乐区的划分是以人权冲突的乐区为主那相关的一个流量权的治理工作以这样的一个角度去进行控制 |
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那最近這兩三年也擴及到大家關心的一些生態樂區的部分尤其是針對死胡草蕭這兩個特定物種的一個樂區進行更精細的一個專案的示範計畫那主要的工作有三個部分第一個源頭的管理就是家戶的一些犬隻的一個列冊跟 |
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族门族户的一些绝育的一个宣导第二个在地流浪犬戍军的一些掌握以及相关的一些移除工作第三个就是加强地方的在地的喂食的等于是一些宣导就这个部分的行为去做一些积极的一些促进以上是我们这边的一个补充 |
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好抱歉我還是有個問題因為我剛剛聽起來就好像是說因為過去做的不足的地方就是因為地方政府來由地方政府劃設這個定義不同所以劃設的範圍可能就會略有差異 |
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那所以在接下來那個有講說那個遊蕩犬的控制人權衝突的部分也是一個關鍵的重點那我想要知道是說我們做的從108年做到現在到底有沒有因此而減少或者是怎麼樣改善嘛對吧因為你做了東西目的想要改善人權衝突 |
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做这个游荡权控制到底有没有执行到那请邓保书再说明一下在这两三年你们在执行的过程到底有些点数字如何那尤其这两年的一个部分我们针对尤其刚刚提到的石虎的一些生态乐趣跟草雕生态乐趣我们有做比较全面的那一个等于是比较 |
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那如果以这两年的一个结果的部分大概以犬只数量那大概我们少了大概10%到18%那在各地的区域会不太一样所以事实上积极的控制是对小区域的范围的处理是会有一些明确的一个效果以上报告 |
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那針對第三條的部分不管是有建議先初步示範區或者是說以往雅琳委員所說的以往的成效她應該是不滿意所以她一直要再舉手那針對這個議題我們討論了將近50分鐘我們現在先休息5分鐘大家討論一下 謝謝 |
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好 我們繼續開會那針對這個部分部長要不要再說明一下因為我們這個第三條是定義很重要而且充分發言謝謝各位委員我們也一個鐘頭以上來 請部長主席還有各位委員 |
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那剛才就是我們針對第三條做了一些很多委員提出的一些一些意見那我們都非常謝謝委員提供的一個意見 |
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那由於第三條本身它是牽涉到這個定義名詞定義的問題那名詞的定義會影響到後面的每一條法案相關的執行的條文的內容跟它的執行的方式所以我這邊是不是可以請求主席可以同意就是說因為裡面比較重要的兩個部分 |
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就是一個是市主的一個定義那另外一個跟生態熱區有關的定義那同時我剛才也特別提到的就是我們現在有一些新的作為包括說我們因為大家都希望說遊蕩犬越來越少然後進到收容的單位這樣的話就不會產生很多餵養的問題所以我們也提出了 |
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例如我剛才講的這些衛星農場本身還有很多這種所謂的利用我們農村再生的這樣子一個廣度去讓各社區提出它的一個動物保護的責任 |
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那這些做法我想很多委員不是很了解裡面的內容所以是不是可以請主席給我們一點一些時間我們針對我們現在的已經在落實的做法還有委員提出來的版本能夠跟委員就是由 |
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主席那邊兩個禮拜前要求我們的針對委員的這些版本我們有一些內部的一些覆案然後由這些覆案能夠跟個別的提案委員做溝通以外那更重要的是外界的利害關係人我們也希望達到有一個具體的平衡的一個共識然後大家一起往前走但是他需要時間沒有辦法在今天馬上就決定所以也肯定主席這邊能夠同意給我們多一點的時間去做這樣的一個溝通 |
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好 謝謝各位同仁剛剛部長也做說明我們針對於第三條我們超過一個鐘頭的討論大家都是為整個社會的安全以及動物的權益以及 |
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幫助動物的這些團體也好社會人士我們都給予非常高的一個尊敬跟尊重跟感謝因為這個是目前社會大家確實都非常重視 |
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的一个议题所以经过详实的讨论我们从上一次院版还没有进来我们希望给行政部门农业部这边也针对委员所做的所提出的提案目前为止总共有42案42案42个这个版本那 |
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这个农业部也针对非行政部门院版的以外的委员的版本也有提出他们的见解依照上一次会议的一个议决但是还没有时间来跟委员来做详实的沟通还没有做完整 |
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所以照剛剛農業部長所提出的希望能夠有更多的時間再跟社會大眾團體也好社會共識以及各委員來做討論那也包括本席所提出的25條虐待動物的這個部分那我也要特別拜託也就是大家關心的這個議題一定要好好的去討論這個非常的重要所以是不是容許 |
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刚刚我们休息时间所做出的共同的一个决议容许本席主席台在这边来宣告讨论事项所列的这个议案动物保护法部分条文修正草案因大家意见仍分期请行政部门继续与各个委员来进行沟通另定期继续审查那么本次的会议议事录授权由本席核定后确定 |
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那請問各位委員有沒有異議那沒有異議我們通過現在散會 謝謝 |