| IVOD_ID |
17229 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17229 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-28T08:31:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-28T12:28:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:56:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/b41997f390c3528ed3a2b43aa665e4071fc48310b441d33de692bdb9a1e4797745dccbcfbc8618ff5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲就「統一發票經費編列及宣傳推廣業務執行情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:20 - 12:28:00 |
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谢谢大家 |
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好 我們現在開始開會請主任秘書報告出席委員人數報告委員會出席委員與主法定人數請議事人員宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第四會期財政委員會第十八次全體委員會議議事錄時間中華民國一百一十五年一月二十六日星期一九十二分至十二時二十八分地點群賢樓九樓大禮堂出席委員林德福委員等十四人列席委員王宏偉委員等六人 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].start |
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列席官員行政院經貿談判辦公室執命徐崇清行政院主計總署主計長陳淑芝財政部部長莊翠雲今晚會主委彭金榮台灣證券交易所公司董事長林修銘財團法人中華民國櫃買中心董事長簡立忠中央銀行總裁楊金榮經濟部政策何靖昌農業部長賜杜文貞國發會副主委高仙貴財團法人中小企業信保基金董事長魏銘古紀齊 |
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以上各單位所屬單位代表主席林昭吉委員失明報告事項一 宣讀上次會議議事錄決定議事錄確定二 邀請行政院主計總署陳主計長淑芝財政部莊部長翠雲金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金融中央銀行楊總裁金融經濟部拱部長明星農業部陳部長俊記國家發展委員會葉主任委員俊賢就針對台美貿易 |
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協議內容對國家整體財經、國內產業與就業、股會市場與各項民生通膨之影響與因應政策進行專題報告並被質詢經經管會彭主委、財政部莊部長、中央銀行楊總裁、經濟部何振次、農業部杜長次、國發會高副主委分別提出報告後,藉由委員林德福等13人提出質詢 |
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均經以上各單位代表及相關人員予以答覆決定依報告局詢問完畢委員諮詢未及答覆及或請補充資訊請相關單位一周內以書面答覆委員另要求期限者從期鎖定三 委員員寬恆 陳玉珍 林楚英 陳冠廷 林倩啟所提書面諮詢列入紀錄刊登公報並請相關部會以書面答覆宣讀完畢 |
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1909.005 |
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1934.867 |
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好 請問各位委員對議事錄有異議沒有異議 議事錄確定請議事人員宣讀今日議程邀請財政部莊部長翠雲就統一發票經費編列及宣傳推廣業務執行情形進行專題報告並被執行宣讀完畢我們現在介紹在場委員我們第一位吳秉瑞委員好 謝謝 |
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1937.611 |
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1966.271 |
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林德福委員陳玉珍委員我們今天與會的部長還有各位與會的相關單位我來逐一來介紹我們財政部莊翠雲部長國庫署陳伯承署長賦稅署宋秀琳署長 |
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1969.076 |
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1998.003 |
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官務署蘇淑貞副署長國產署曾國基署長財資中心張文希主任台北國稅局謝惠美代理局長高雄國稅局溫培佑局長北區國稅局李雅菁局長中區國稅局樓美忠局長 |
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2000.168 |
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2028.401 |
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南區國稅局陳惠琦局長我們接下來介紹我們八大行庫台灣金融控股股份有限公司董事長林中元林董事長 歡迎總經理施瑪莉施總 歡迎台灣銀行股份有限公司吳嘉曉吳總經理 歡迎台灣土地銀行何一鳴何董事長 歡迎 |
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2031.772 |
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2059.921 |
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趙鋒金控董事長董瑞斌董事長歡迎總經理張傳章張總經理歡迎趙鋒國際商業銀行股份有限公司黃永珍黃總經理歡迎第一金控董事長邱月琴邱董事長歡迎總經理方銀基方總經理歡迎 |
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2081.632 |
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第一商營股份有限公司總經理周朝崇周總經理歡迎華南金控董事長陳芬蘭陳董事長歡迎總經理李耀清李總經理歡迎華南商營總經理黃俊志黃總歡迎 |
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2085.851 |
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2111.689 |
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合作金庫金融控股股份有限公司董事長林眼茂林董事長 歡迎總經理蘇佐正蘇總經理 歡迎合庫商營總經理王淑芳王總經理彰化商營董事長胡光華胡董事長 歡迎總經理簡志光簡總經理 歡迎 |
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2113.991 |
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2125.624 |
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台灣中小企業 董事長李嘉祥 李董事長 歡迎總經理 李國中 李總經理 歡迎財政部印刷廠 廠長王國隆 王廠長 歡迎 |
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2129.301 |
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2144.544 |
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行政院主席總署主席長身體不適所以今天由副主席長蔡渾坤蔡副主席長來代理謝謝 歡迎公務預算處專門委員李培元 李專委好 歡迎 |
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2145.814 |
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2158.727 |
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好 以上我們的官員介紹到這裡他們今日的議程安排邀請財政部莊部長翠雲就統一發票經費編列及先傳推廣業務執行情形進行專題報告現在請財政部莊部長進行專題報告 |
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2168.188 |
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2185.639 |
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主席各位委員先進大家早今天陳貴委員會的邀請就統一發票經費編列以及宣傳推廣業務的執行情形進行專題報告請就統一發票給獎及推行的預算編列還有執行情形做檢要報告首先 |
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2200.114 |
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統一發票的給獎及推行經費的編列是根據營業稅法第58條的規定是為了防止逃漏控制稅源及促進統一發票的推行那麼本部應訂定統一發票給獎辦法 |
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2201.696 |
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2227.185 |
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那麼他的經費是由全年營業稅收入總額中提出3%作為因應那麼考量預算是同一個年度的稅出與稅率同時編列而且編列的時候並沒有預算年度營業稅收入的時增數所以歷年以來都是按照全年營業稅收入預算案數的3%來編列同一個年度統一發票給獎以及推行預算案數 |
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那在114年呢我们按全国营业税收入的预算案数6258亿2400万元的3%编列了统一发票给奖以及推行经费预算案数是187亿7472万元 |
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2244.946 |
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根据大院三读通过并且经总统公布的预算数则为168亿7770万8千元那么在114年本部开奖的组别以及组数的情形如下在1到4月期每期是开奖1000万元的特别奖200万元的特奖各一组 |
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2265.495 |
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2274.402 |
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那麼頭獎到六獎是各三組另外雲端發票的專屬獎的總組數是256萬餘組那麼5到12月期每一期增加開雲端發票專屬獎500塊的獎有70萬組調整後每一期增加到326萬餘組那麼其餘的獎別是維持不變的我們希望提升民眾索取雲端發票的誘因 |
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另外我們在結合統一發票的推行辦理租稅教育及宣導活動由於稅制稅政攸關民眾的權益本部透過舉辦記者會實體以及網路的活動以多元管道加強宣導提醒民眾當年度的重大稅制稅政以及各個稅務的報繳稅的訊息那麼有力提升納稅依從度以及深化租稅的教育那麼其他經費我們會用於辦理統一發票的發售資料的調查 |
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2323.275 |
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稽查等來健全稅捐激增作業有效防止房住逃漏那麼維護租稅的公平綜合上述114年度統一發表給獎及推行經費執行率是99.95% |
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2346.396 |
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那么114年度我们的效益来看我们的宣导活动参加的人数有1232万余人次那么营业人将近有1万家所募集的发票有490万张那么云端发票呢所开立的有60超过了60亿63亿张使用率达到65%下载使用我们统一发票对讲APP达到746万余人次那运用网络通 |
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入对领奖的比率也超过了55%对于有效掌握税源并且落实减值减碳的政策是有助益的那么在115年度统一发票给奖以及推行预算案的编列情形我们是按照全国营业税收入预算案数6570亿余元的3%编列了统一发票给奖及推行预算案的 |
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數是197億元其中統一發票中獎的獎金等經費有188.8億元比114年度增加了26.8億元增加的經費會優先用於增開雲端發票的專屬獎項來增加民眾中獎的機會 |
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2409.252 |
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本部将会积极地办理各项统一发票给奖作业根据以多元创新思维规划租税教育局宣导活动深化民众对税制税政的了解来落实推动云端发票的政策目的共创商家民众以及政府的三营以上的报告敬请各委员会议与指教谢谢 |
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好 謝謝部長主計總署的就請大家參考主計總署提出的書面的說明那我們現在開始巡查先做以下宣告每位初期委員發言時間8分鐘必要時得延長2分鐘每位列席委員發言時間5分鐘今日上午10時截止發言登記現在我們依登記順序請登記第一位的林德福委員質詢 |
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謝謝 謝謝主席莊部長還有議會各列席的官員還有本會的委員以及媒體記者 女士先生我們是不是請莊部長好 請莊部長委員長 |
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總部長早我請教因為《經濟日報》有報導有日媒分析說美國2024年整個海關數據中國大陸是美國所有亞洲貿易夥伴中最容易受到232條款的關稅影響的國家可能波及以及商品達到1420億美元日本自資 |
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那這個暴露在232調查的商品價值約有差不多1070億美元南韓差不多1020億美元南韓G3日本G2脆弱的國家如果全面實施這些關稅可能會威脅價值多達6210億美元的這個亞洲貿易部長那美國關稅政策衝擊 |
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並沒有消失對整個亞洲國家所產生貿易的衝擊程度不一身為亞洲國家之一的中華民國也不是只有和美國才有貿易往來加上台灣來爭取多年亞太地區貿易協定始終不得其門而入萬一亞洲貿易又受到美國關稅 |
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這個整個政策的衝擊那我請問台灣要怎麼去面對這些關稅 貿易政策所帶來一些負面的這些衝擊部長你有什麼看法跟委員報告有關美國的關稅政策的措施當然跟許多國家到出口到美國的相關的產品都有說 |
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因此各國都積極和美國去做商議那同樣的我們台灣也由我們的談判團隊和府院們一起合作跟各機關的合作我們的談判在1月15號已經簽署一個MOU我想大家都很清楚尤其是在232條款 |
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我國是爭取到了一個最優惠的待遇在赴美設廠期間的產能配額都是0%然後未來也會超出配額的部分最多也就15%我想這個部分對我國的出口尤其我們對美國的出口裡面支通訊的產品事實上佔了76.5%相當高的配額 |
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所以這個部分對我們的出口是有很大的注意另外我們這一次談判的15%不疊加的部分和許多競爭國家是拉齊平的譬如說像水五金產業的22.6%我們也降到15%和中國是47.6%越南是22.6%像手工具業台灣也是從23.3%降到15%中國是48.3%越南是22.6% |
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没有只有跟这些比我们跟竞争的主要对手来说取得一个相对的一个齐平或者是更是为优势的一个位置那其实对我国的经济的发展可以看到这个谈判完了以后各个工会都表达非常的一个肯定那这个部分对我们的产业是有帮助的 |
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我們希望如此但是因為那些前一陣子差不多將近十個月其實這些傳統產業慘兮兮的甚至有的把員工辭掉有的甚至於說沒有辦法繼續維持下去做很多的變革你現在要搶回原來的客戶其實還是有很多的難處那個部長 |
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川普表示由於韓國國會還沒有通過去年與美國談定的這些貿易協定所以說他將韓國的汽車 木材 製藥以及其他對等產品的關稅從15%提高到25%那我請問部長川普調高韓國關稅如果陳真你認為對韓國貿易的台灣進出口商 |
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会有什么样的冲击跟影响 |
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韓國和我們的貿易之間其實是逆差的逆差是對 是逆差他進口我們的超過了我們對他的出口那韓國在許多產業裡面事實上跟我們事實上是有相關的一個競爭的一些關係包含汽車零組件汽車零組件以及有關的3C產品都是一個競爭關係當然我們的產業必須在取得好的關稅的待遇以後 |
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我們要強化我們的韌性在國際間的一個競爭優勢上能夠做得更好因為有一些台灣的喜歡買韓國貨的這些消費者當然一定會受到一些影響跟衝擊根據韓國媒體指出國會沒有通過協定主要是韓國在野陣營強烈的杯葛 |
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認為談判成果根本就是驅辱外交因為韓國被迫承擔了一張高達數千億美元的巨額的投資帳單也嚴重損害整個國家的利益那我請問部長你認為美韓關稅目前的狀況會不會也在台灣發生 會不會 |
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我想跟委員報告這次我們談判團隊所談的一個結果已經那個OTN也在記者會行政院記者會都有一個詳細說明產業界都覺得是肯定的那未來當然相關的協議都必須送大院來做審議那我們認為這個對於產業界有利的部分我們希望大家都能夠很順利的完成相關的作業 |
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現況是中華民國簽了一張比韓國更多金額的這個巨額投資給美國令人沒有辦法接受令人諱解的是台灣比韓國的經濟規模小卻要掏出更多的錢來投資美國甚至於還可能整個犧牲這個先進半導體的談判籌碼那我請問部長站在國家整個利益 |
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利益的本位上你認為在野黨應該同意台美關稅的協議嗎跟委員報告我們對這次談判對美國的投資其實 |
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不見得是會比韓國高第一個2500億美元是企業的自主投資美國的產業這個部分也是經過徵詢相關產業以後他們基於更接近客戶以及爭取更多的訂單因此對於供應鏈的一個產業去做海外的佈局 |
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这是自主投资产业自主投资并不是由政府来出资投资另外2500亿美元这个部分是由透过信用保证基金的方式来支持金融机构对于赴美投资产业的最高限额2500亿美元做融资的贷款但事实上并不见得会用到这个部分那所以这个部分并没有所谓的我们有所谓的上旋鲁国绝对是没有的这是自主投资以及 |
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以及是提供信用担保而且信用担保也不见得都会用到那我们也会分期分年按照运用的情况来做设立这个部分我想委员应该是很了解部长因为大家都担心谈判团队说过很多遍我们的整个经济体跟美国跟韩国跟日本比较我们是真的是差很多但是我们投资的那个额度 |
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講實在話比人家高太多太多大家就是在擔心對不對你整個產業外移等於裡面就空洞而且你那些傳產講實在話他們是只能夠維持我們很多就是員工 人民去那裡就業能夠維持他們的生計那你要是說這些比較優勢的這些產業全部都移出去講實在話未來我真的不敢想像部長 |
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對美投資是我們產業的一個延伸跟擴展並不會掏空台灣而且大部分產業還是會核心還是會留在台灣希望如此 但願希望如此部長 先前財政部公布去年稅收統計時受到美國對等關稅的影響中央銀行實施選擇性的信用管制措施影響營業稅和不動產相關的這些稅收出現了短針 |
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這個515億元比預算預算數 我們短少了505億元並出現近五年來首次的短徵因為以前都是超徵啦這次短徵 部長現在台灣和美國關稅這個談判已經有底定基於國內產業的不確定因素也消失 那我請問你認為今年國內的營業稅的預估是不是一定比 |
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114年還好 依您的看法營業稅的部分當然會但是出口倉望的話營業稅會退稅所以這個部分那當然國內的一個內需的需求的穩健以及經濟的發展對營業稅都是有注意的那也跟委員報告營業稅其實現在扣除了3%的獎金發辦1.5%的還有1.5%的基增經費全部都納入中央統籌分配稅款撥歸到地方去運用了 |
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那個按照主計總署對明年經濟成長的預測原預測經濟成長率為3.54%可能上修機率大那請問部長你認為到底是電子產業因為AI需求能高峰所以說持續整個推升國內的經濟成長率還是受到臺美關稅拖累處處以低基期 |
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這些傳統產業今年可能由谷底來翻轉而有機會帶動整個國內經濟成長率的上修您的看法呢主計總處原預估今年115年的經濟成長率是3.5%但是我看不管有相關的一些智庫以及國外的經濟國外的一些預測機構對台灣的經濟成長事實上是都認為可以上修的好 我希望這個 |
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這個我們希望老百姓要的就是希望能夠經濟提升那不是美國講任何我們全部都配合甚至於還加碼因為你包括你看阿拉斯加那個整個也人家日本韓國都沒有簽憑什麼我們去跟人家簽對不對400多億的美金 |
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對不對那這裡這個又要這個國防又要增加國防預算一兆兩千五百億又要阿拉斯加的簽然後這裡那裡講實在話一個整個國家大政最重就是要安定最重要要安定然後怎麼讓經濟提升老百姓要的是安居樂業 |
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我們談判團隊都是秉持的維護國家的利益 產業的利益還有國民的健康都是朝這樣的一個目標而且達成了我們四大目標希望如此啦 謝謝好 謝謝 謝謝林德福委員部長請回接下來請吳秉瑞委員質詢主席麻煩請財政部莊部長好 請莊部長 |
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委員長部長我們跟美國的這個關稅談判的那個投資金額啊就是你剛剛提到的自主企業自主投資金額其實是2500億嘛 |
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然後另外的2500億是將來如果有我們的企業要到美國去設廠投資的時候他的融資的信用保證的這些的這個額度所以真正的投資額度其實是2500億請問有沒有實現 |
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這個部分其實我們的產業赴美投資其實這是多年以來都有這樣的一個情況而且是基於他自己產業的方式我目前看到是沒有對啊所以這2500億是等於沒有條件光台積電1650億已經宣布了投資也包括在這裡面對不對 |
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是的 有包含的那2500億扣掉台積電一家1650億 這是算數嘛 剩下850億還沒扣掉偽創 沒有扣掉鴻海沒有扣掉聯發科 沒有扣掉環球軍這些都已經在美國設廠而且準備要增加投資的額度 |
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我跟你說 我個人是這樣想如果美國這2500億不是希望你投資的金額的地板而是給你天花板的話這會跟當年的紡織配額一樣要去還要跟他買還要跟他買價格 還要買配額 |
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2500億不夠用啦 因為也沒有實現啊也沒有跟你講一年 兩年 三年 五年 十年他都沒跟你講嘛所以美國是一個沒有條件啦坦白講這就是一個假裝條件就我們讀法律的人這個叫做假裝條件 你知道嗎假裝條件說你今年的稅收是三兆 假設是這樣 |
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我現在先假設一個前提然後我現在給你開一個條件你今年費給我超過兩兆不可喔不然要怎麼樣怎麼樣要給你什麼樣的後果這個在法律上這個叫假裝條件因為這已經成價了嘛事實上就沒有要求你嘛所以2500億投資既沒有年限 |
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沒有跟你講幾年要投資啊再加上把現在已經去美國投資的金額都計算在這2500億裡面所以是沒有條件啦第二個我今天這麼多的航空的董事長在這邊喔如果有我們國內這些現在全世界一流的這些企業要去美國投資啊借錢喔沒有信用擔保他們都借啦台積電要跟你借錢你不借嗎 |
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鴻海跟你借錢你不借嗎環球金跟你借錢你不借嗎所以這個所謂2500億的去美國投資的信用擔保喔真的不用擔心啦很多廠商他自己發行公司在比你跟銀行借錢要快啦對不對台積電要投資1650億美金你聽說他跟國內哪一家銀行借錢啊就沒有嘛他錢滿手都是錢他要跟你借錢 |
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所以其實美國跟我們這個談判的這兩個條件在我來看都是假裝條件根本事實上請問我們台灣哪一樣做不到台灣政府現在需要為了這個談判然後趕快去逼企業廠商說你趕快給我去投資沒有 大家都是高興的因為台積電要去設廠所以他的台積電的供應廠商希望跟著去設廠究竟能夠服務台積電 |
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像一些設備廠商 無塵室的漢堂什麼這些都是上市公司他們現在都急得要趕快去不用政府去邀請說因為我們跟美國談判了什麼條件條 投資2500億所以你們這些在國內的廠商你趕快給我去美國投資不用政府要求 人家做生意急得不得了在我來看是這樣不知道你的看法怎麼樣 |
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委員說得很適合其實赴美投資的產業它本身有它自己的需求譬如說對服務客戶更接近然後或者有潛在的一個訂單而且這些大廠商其實它本身的自有資金如果充沛的話它也不建議要跟銀行貸款或者以其他的方式來做融資包含發行公司債這些部分 |
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或者他足夠有的擔保他也不需要再另外送所謂的信用擔保所以這個部分所謂信用擔保的機制是一個建立但是並不是一下子也要到位或什麼事實上按照需要的額度再來做一些調整以上 對所以是找尽任何的理由挑任何的毛病希望能夠阻擋這一個談判嘛 |
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那問題是這個很嚴重啊如果在立法院不通過這關稅等於就沒有談了 回到原來原來是多少原來是20%然後還有疊加對不對20%加疊加 對那不得了 那3、40%的關稅他現在跟你講說15%談得不好我不要給你過 讓你回到40幾%的關稅天下有這樣的邏輯嗎這個邏輯會通嗎 |
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連15%不疊加其實產業界都覺得很肯定然後也會去爭取相關的訂單假設我們台灣的國會你們送進來之後也跟韓國一樣搞了半年不給你過的話有可能美國說你們就沒有誠意這個沒有條件的這個關稅要給你減量到這個地步你也不要那我們做生意是跟你的對手比 |
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今天美國市場我們台灣一年 巨年一年的跟人家出超1500億美金你賺了人家1500億美金如果以國際貿易的講究平衡化 換位思考美國不用跟你談什麼東西你就給我出超這麼多一套國際貿易平衡的理念我就可以對你出手 |
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美國是因為把台灣當作是他的現在的準盟友然後需要台灣幫他重建製造業所以用了非常容易的條件跟比其他國家更優惠的條件要讓台灣台灣得到位有的地位什麼時候美國的財政部長公開講台灣這個國家還請你到這個財政部裡面去跟他簽約 |
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以前只能夠躲在咖啡廳或是在這個文化辦事處或是在那個什麼在台協會這樣子的非官方機構裡面弄嘛對不對這一次完全承認你是一個國家沒有等於沒有條件現在還意見一大堆之前一直罵說不趕快去談讓這些傳統產業很難生存 |
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台灣的生意人沒有這麼差啦台灣生意人非常拼啦我們過去被中國共產黨打壓所以台灣都不能參加國際的貿易組織包括RCEP 包括CPTDP都被中國阻攔跟其他國家簽FTA也很困難所以台灣過去其實一直比人家關稅就高可是台灣的生意人非常了不起提著一個皮箱全世界做生意 |
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還能夠把台灣的經濟去撐起來剛剛股市台積電破1800啦掏空台灣台積電1800然後股市破將近三萬三千點啦三萬兩千七百點啦天天節節高一直漲經濟過熱今天發表那個 |
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燈號已經變成紅燈了都已經過熱了還在講說台灣的經濟很糟糕民不聊生我就不知道為什麼大家認知可以差距這麼大他的資訊從哪裡來的不要光是看那些中國共產黨給你的資訊跟媒體啦不然的話看到的都是害死自己當初台大教授說台積電會跌破五千塊五百塊現在一千八啦當初聽他話放空的人現在應該跑路啦 |
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所以真的是睜開眼睛看看這個世界不要活在自己的象牙塔裡面講偷工台灣就最好笑了台積電有哪一家工廠關起來然後移到美國去啊沒有耶 還在增加投資耶還要再增加今年又宣布5個廠再加上新建做的現在還要再增加18個廠耶台灣的電力供應 土地供應 水力供應都很吃緊大家拼命在想辦法要解決耶 |
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然後這樣子的一直增加投資在台灣一直增加台灣的製造量然後說要掏空台灣到美國去如果今天把工廠關起來然後移到美國設廠台灣的工人都淺散像以前馬英九時代大膽吸盡這個樣子去中國那才叫做掏空台灣對不對台灣的製造增加台灣的工廠增加台灣的用人一直在增加 |
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然後因為他的需要他的業務需要要在美國增加供給所以他在美國做增加廠這樣叫掏空台灣那如果這樣子可以通的話一間大餐廳開在台北市的他覺得說台中的客人他也要服務去台中開了一家分店台北市這一家繼續營業可不可以叫做掏空台北啊 |
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江是不是掏空台北我們叫他的擴電擴電的是啊明明企業就在擴展那你在說掏空台灣這邏輯到底是什麼一回事啊所以我覺得我們的政務官要大膽的用力的辯護聽到這些邪魔歪教的歪論相信他話的人持大虧啦相信台灣我們一直穩健大步在前進當中好謝謝謝謝委員 |
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好 謝謝吳秉瑞委員部長請回 接下來請賴思寶委員質詢謝謝主席及各位先進有請財政部的莊部長請莊部長 |
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委員長部長長我想針對今天的題目這個我有算過統一發票這個我們已經修法了一定要稅收的3%要提撥統一發票給獎 |
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那麼在過去幾年 3年內我們看到從114年吧110年到113年總共是超徵的2885億乘以3%等於86.6億之多那麼如果講一個平均是200塊錢的話就少掉4330萬個 |
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給獎的機會我們4330萬個中獎的機會除以2300萬人口的話每一個人就少掉1.88次啦等於一個人台灣一個人不管他年紀100歲一直到剛出生的平均一個人少了兩次的中獎機會啊這個部長啊 |
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你不能這個我們要投資美國送錢給美國這麼大方這個獎的部分給老百姓的小確幸這樣子想辦法能扣就扣你們是針對預算數算算那我為什麼不針對時增數呢你告訴我原因到底在哪裡 |
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跟委員報告我們產業投資美國不是送錢給美國我想這個第一個要澄清那第二個部分對於統一發票的給獎我們營業稅法我想在報告裡面說的很清楚以全年收入的3%來編列但是我們在編的時候因為並沒有當年度的時增數比如說以114年來說我在編的時候我按照預算案數 |
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來編列那如果說當年度的實徵數超過預算數的話那個部分也是歸屬到國庫裡面去而且有40%依照原來的財化法是40%是撥到地方的中央統籌分配稅款並不是全部進國庫那如果115年的話全部都到了地方政府去了要不要 |
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那怎麼補因為第一個它是那一年114年消費的發票那我們就開講了那再補的話是對115年的發票它並不是同一個年度另外就是預算上的編列所以我就跟你講說要差兩個年度沒錯…以後如果有超增稅收 |
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應該在下下年度補列入預算金額可以嗎可以嗎 我就問你可以嗎跟委員報告現在營業稅都進到了除了3%跟1.5%都到了地方政府那這個會減少地方政府的中央統籌分配稅款 |
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這會減少如果我們地方政府不會有意見啦因為這給老百姓的小缺席地方政府是不是沒有意見我們其實另外在預算法是不是可以做這樣的編列可能還要經過預算法主管機關再來重新看看為什麼不能夠編列你們編列那個獎金用預算跟實施跟差這麼多 |
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對不對 我跟你講啦齁這個 姑你們 你們一樣你不然就給地方政府不然就給老百姓我相信我相信地方政府一定money and happy說這筆錢有機會給老百姓因為出錢沒有多少錢啊 |
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因為八十六一四年度一個年度二十億二十四個縣市二十二個縣市一個縣市多少一億啊有什麼了不起114年是目前來說全國短徵288億那有短徵的話是不是要不要忘了我們的法律規定喔是營業稅3%提獎金提完獎金以後才給地方政府的你們犯規啊 |
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法律規定就是先給 |
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獎金分完以後才給地方政府你不要這個歐陵水痘啊不是不是我也沒有錯在編預算的時候是這樣但是如果到下兩個年度要再抽出來抽出來嘛所以我就跟你講下下年度嘛我就跟你講下下年度啊我都寫的沒有錯啊兩年以後啊那就會減少了原來的要配給地方政府的錢因為還要從裡面抽一一跑去要給人家啊對不對副主計長有意見嗎 |
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請那個蔡副好不好 這個可以編在下下年度嗎來 關於總長一下報告賴委員那因為這個是財政部主管的我們尊重財政部的你說我主席叫你 你叫我擦了財政部我給他記過來是啦 那按照那個 |
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那個第58條規定喔58條規定很清楚是先給獎金以後再給地方政府嘛先後失序你不要不要把這個這個就推給地方政府啊先製造地方政府跟這個人民的矛盾啊總部長不好喔這樣不厚道喔委員您說在以後兩個年度要再加鞭喔那這個就是扣到原來的部分因為你原來當年度要3%再加上以前年度超過的數字在這個 |
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這個年以後的兩年度再來扣出來的話我不是不同意而是依照現行的運作的話多年來都是按照預算案數在編不管是少編也是一樣的如果短收也是一樣的我要讓這個案子通過 |
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老百姓比這個縣市首長重要啦地方政府平均20億平均20幾個縣市平均一個縣市少1億可是這麼多的我們的普羅大眾這個幾千萬人的好 來 另外一年一夜稅是短徵288元對 短徵就沒有了嘛短徵就沒有這個問題我說超徵就有這個問題啊對不對 超徵你就兩年度以後補編嘛有這麼難嗎 |
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對不對 這個錢要扣來 我們談到 哇這個大家關心什麼台美關稅賴總統也說趕快省 笑死人八字只有一撇只有說我們出口去美國的啊美國來台灣的咧 農產品是不是零是不是零 請問是不是零 |
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有關關稅的這個部分目前來說台美雙方還在檢視相關的文件這個都還在檢視文件等到簽署以後團隊會跟社會大眾報告案子送來立法院了嗎 |
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那目前來說雙方在檢視相關的文件當中奇怪你都沒有送來只要審出口進口都還沒有搞定這樣就一直說你們要審了你們怎麼可以不審我暗示都沒有來為什麼叫我們審呢 |
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對不對 不能這樣子隨便罵什麼時候談完你也不知道因為這是什麼經貿辦對不對什麼時候送來立法院你也不知道也沒有送來立法院簽署以後應該會很快的送進大院選舉我們也希望盡快 對不對但是呢我是呼籲賴總統要做功課啦賴總統幕僚要幫幫他啊賴總統不去 總統沒關係他叫沒有神 |
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這個我就要跟你講這個只要送來立法院絕對很快的審這個關係到每一個這個沒有其他沒有second thought沒有第二個想法絕對審而且認真審很快審都不用擔心來 我們再請教那個八大關股房公寓董事長一起來好嗎好 請各位董事長來一起來 部長你在哪裡 |
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| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
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上一次來部長好我們有說四大飯工股投信要合併那時候阮次主持的我記得第一金和庫造風華南財政部開會是由第一金來主導 |
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結果後來華南列祖啊華南的鄰家大股東反對結果你們整個案子停擺了你們就停擺了聽我講完我講完再講按照投信的績效第一金 |
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排進去前100名的六檔何苦三檔 招風一檔華南的零Z6 說我最大聲他反對了 華南反對了你不知道要不要講一下話 |
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第一個我們這個會朝向這個投信來是合一來合併但就我所知他們都按照相關的進度在推進當中那也沒有華南因為怎麼樣而停擺目前都按期程在進行當中我就收到人家給我簡體訊說華南因為林家大股東他們負董市場不服董市場所以你們差一點把董市場換掉 |
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有沒有這回事把誰換掉把董事長換掉沒有 董事長還在反正董事長還在陳董事長他的民股最大的股東是您家 |
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你家是最大股東喔這個四合一目前按照期程在推進當中所以還是第一金在主導因為你遠遠看第一金的規模是最大的還是在主導好 最後一個問題這個上一次來了說我們的2500億美金的投資美國的信保基金 |
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我們的國發會說要第一年今年就要籌100億美金請問八大行庫是不是平均分攤有關這個信保基金的一個成立以及出資的部分目前是由國發會在規劃當中除了國發基金還有公股行庫之外也會邀請民營行庫一起來加入 |
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不是 那你的我們的翻工股還要付多少錢那至於未來怎麼樣的一個出資的額度會另外做規劃我請教一個龍頭那個趙鳳京的董事長 |
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你有沒有接到國安會跟你諮詢說要你這個出資多少當作這個保證基金包委員現在還沒有這個出資的規劃都沒有出資規劃對 現在還沒有照細部的規劃我讓大家知道分年分期是可以的分年分期而且是多有銀行業我讓大家知道國安會的副主委來這裡前幾天是說年底就要籌100億美金他講得這麼清楚而且主要就是八大飯工股行庫 |
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應該不是只有八大我們可以先出資但是我們不會唯一出資應該是所有民營銀行也要進來因為這個整個產業的融資是所有產業所有銀行業的事情不是只有八大關股在做這個融資最後我想講一個其實我很不願意講這個台灣的股市很好大家高興 沒有人不高興的但是台灣有嚴重的荷蘭病 |
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股市你現在看多少支股票三分之一以上甚至一半以上都跌了都沒有漲啊指數漲都賺了指數賠了股價到底荷蘭幣晶片半導體產業好很讚的傳統產業慘兮兮啊你去看其他股票 |
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這個儘管會主委還在想辦法怎麼樣平衡一下所以大家都了解然後沒有人唱衰台灣但是我們希望各個產業都受到照顧而不是只有晶片以及半導體發展這就是荷蘭病這是很不好的現象包委員實際上是政府各個部會都有提供相關的這些輔導措施針對中小企業以及其他可能的一些衰退產業好 謝謝賴司保委員 |
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好 大家請回接下來請郭國文委員質詢謝謝主席 有請莊部長好 請莊部長委員好 |
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部長 本席想教教您一下去年我們現在八大工庫行庫當中總共賺了多少錢這個總金額我先不清楚是不是待會兒先查一下沒關係 我們請八大行庫的工庫銀行董事長上來一下請各位董事長上台我依依詢問我先問一下台銀的部分林董事長 你們去年賺了多少錢 |
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委員好我們去年是創新高327億創新高然後那個土銀賺了多少錢公委員報告我們去年是賺的稅錢是200億3400萬200多少200億3400萬211億喔那有沒有創新高啊有有創新高好那個兆豐銀行多少 |
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395億有沒有創新高應該還好差不多好那第一銀行邱董事長多少去年也是創新高創新高金控加起來是稅前是330幾億330幾億330好接下來是那個華南陳董事長 |
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我們去年也是創新高創新高稅前是超過300億稅前超過300億好合作金庫林董各位報告我們去年213億也是創新高也是創新高那彰化銀行胡董包委我們彰化銀行去年創新高稅前211億2101111好來中小企業銀行李董 |
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報告委員 我們去年也是獲利創新高稅前是152.5億好像只有兆豐沒有創新高而已其他都是創新高來 一個一個來問創新高 那我請問一下林董既然創新高 股票也上升對不對我問一下員工年終獎金要給幾個月 |
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我們國營事業就受到這個國營事業管理法的規範不管我創多高都是4.44.4那土銀也不用問了就4.4好 趙鋒趙鋒要給幾個月報告委員目前規劃大概是8個月因為營運跟金融差不多8個月8個月8個月平均都8個月沒有最高8個月平均平均平均8個月好然後那個接下來邱董事長 易營幾個月 |
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報告委員目前我們也是規劃在八個月上下也是八個月上下好接下來華南銀行幾個月詳細的數字還沒有出來不過我們會比應該會比去年高一點過年了還沒出來大概多少比照八個月可以嗎七個多月七個多月 七個多月幕僚給說七個多月那合庫呢 |
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我們目前規劃是應該會超過七個月也超過七個月 你是有說好嗎 差不多張華英好我們接近八個月八個月 也接近八個月我請問一下 中小企業運行幾個月中小企業運行來 |
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包委員依照我們的講求辦法的話應該會超過8個月要超過8個月請各位董事長請回我就剩下我問部長部長全部都創新高幾乎只有趙豐金可能還不太確定有沒有有沒有創新高 |
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也創新高也創新高 對金控也創新高八大公股都是創新高都創新高那我問一下這年終獎金有沒有創新高 部長 |
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我想他們會依照績效來發給你應該要求他們因為不是給公司就給股東就給員工股東就已經股票帳面價值已經有提升了應該你是不是銀行貨力創新高是不是員工的這個年終獎金也應該要創新高這比較符合比例原則不是嗎是啊 支持委員的說法對 所以說如果沒有創新高的你就好好要求他們一下可不可以 |
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我不敢要求他们我只能要求你他们不需要要求他们自动就会鼓励员工然后会给好的一个奖金我给你一个数字你会后跟我讲如果年终奖金没有创新高你一个列举给我好不好没有创新高一个月可以吗我不知道委员您是说没有创新高要怎么样营业额有创新高 |
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年终奖金也要创新高年终奖金如果跟着这个获利没有创新高的话就应该被检讨对不对就是没有善待员工好 是来 接下来那个麻烦那个台湾银行上来一下台湾银行那个林董林董好 |
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林董 那黃金的RWA台銀去年的部分的專案已經創辦 已經成功在創新園區辦得不錯它已經達到四個效果了不論是自動化也好或者是同步交割也好縮短這個結算也好降低風險也好 |
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那我問一下因為這個RWA的部分應用面的部分可以到一個現實的資產的部分還有包括台幣跟資產跟日幣你這個部分你們會要求去申請這個事辦嗎 |
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会的 跟委员报告大概什么时候这个我们跟财经公司还有其他八家不管是公股的或者是其他的纯民营的金融同业我们本来就组建了一个平台什么时候 什么时候试办我们去年就已经做成这个实验的成功实验是实验 |
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事半是事半事半就是今年开始我们会因为金管会也有指示说希望我们可以成立一个对 你们都实验成功了你们还在拖这没有意思吗你们是一个指标你们去年成功今年就应该事半对 今年会去申请那这个事半的重要性你如果扩大到其他的法币的话的用意是什么呢如果将来金管会它这个专法如果通过的话虚拟货币专法通过你就马上可以接轨了 |
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沒錯 所以我請因為檯面師有一個示範性的作用我希望把這個部分做一個關鍵的一個引導麻煩你給我一個答覆一個月內給我一個答覆你們進度預計是什麼樣的方式接下來我們請部長謝謝委員 |
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部長 因為最近高齡化的社會大家對退休的經濟安全保障都非常的在意相對勞工的部分相對是比較少但是以部分的話勞工目前的話不管是企業這一個相對提撥6%或勞工自體6%基本上已經經過20年了已經有開始許多多人想要倡議把它提高 |
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除了勞動部問題之外其實最關鍵的其實是在財政部為什麼因為這裡頭有稅差損的問題一個如果說假設以6%提高到8%的話以個人的部分的話大概可以增加到173億企業的部分大概增加到800 |
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33億那以整個有效稅率來換算的話以企業大概是17%的話他的這個稅損大概是150億那勞工的朋友的話大概有效稅率大概平均大概應該是大概3%左右但我已算5 |
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大概增加稅損大概增加8億這種情況底下勞動部是不是應該去評估一下這樣的稅損是不是勞動部可以承受得了然後我們可以增加讓勞工有更多一個經濟安全保障然後減少國家的這個稅收的情況底下這可以讓整個勞工的福利可以提升有沒有可能 部長請說 |
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我想委员这个部分我们会后是不是再跟劳动部再来做一个讨论以及他有没有要做一些提高到6%提高到8%以及未来对税收的相关的影响我们会跟劳动部再做进一步的了解你可以先跟本席讨论因为劳动部还没有提案本席有提案本席现在就就教于您因为本席的提案当中除了劳动部的因素之外就是财政部 |
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财政部的部分有两个面向一个是自提的部分一个是企业提拨的部分那显然企业提拨的税差损是大概150亿但是劳工的部分的税差损不过是8亿也就是说自提的部分其实可以先行事办然后企业的部分主力相对比较大然后后行事办你们可以提供出来接应你可以分阶段性的处理有没有可能 |
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我想这个部分我们会后再来你会后的部分我给你一个月的时间你评估一下好不好然后依照你这个评估的内容当中接下来我们跟劳动部讨论的时候会有所依据你们是提早准备最后一个问题我请教于您大家都非常关心因为我们想说在台美官报谈判的时候朝向FTA我们都一提到说我们要向美方争取先向免税的一个项目 |
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5208.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
5215.679 |
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那我問你啊我們跟人家爭取千項免稅那我問部長美方現在要求我們要爭取多少免稅 |
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| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
5240.001 |
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几项 我问几项而已这个部分因为涉及到那个他们相互还在签相关的协议的文本内容的项目既然是涉及我们跟他要求签一千项可以讲要求的可以讲我们被要求的不能讲签署以后会向社会大众报告你从昨天到现在都回答这句话都没有边跟为什么我们跟他要求说有一千项我们被要求几项不能讲 |
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5240.862 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
5255.228 |
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你站在财政部长你要去面对这个问题我们当然知道是对不对我们会面对然后从汽车关税的部分大概多少我们至少要去面对这个问题我根本本性也不是问你说税率要降到多少都不是好 那我问一个比较具体一个问题好了另外一个 |
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5255.948 |
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5274.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
这个台美之间这个重复科税的问题就避免重复科税的这个减免法案已经在这个众议院参过了接下来就经过这个参议院参议院通过以后就可以完成这个效力了对不对就算财政部的一个政绩对不对 |
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5303.837 |
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参议院通过后那要因为他是修国内法第一阶段他修国内法然后经过川普总统签署以后我们双方就是我们那你有没有算出两边的税差损多少这个双方这个部分会要签个国际文书那至于税差的部分因为其实这双方都相互投资都可以相互适用那事实上税差不是主要的一个议题因为事实上相互投资是会促进双向的贸易以及经济的成长我觉得这个部分是更重要的 |
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那一定会有避免重复科税的部分避免重复科税对避免重复科税还是会有数字上的问题会有数字上的数字上问题就牵扯到台商或美商之间他们减少税损的问题是 减少的税损当然是有数字的问题是有数字 对我们那只有初估而已初估 好 可以可以吧 好 谢谢谢谢好 谢谢郭国文委员接下来请罗明财委员咨询 |
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主席各位出列習慣的主席可否請莊部長好請莊部長莊部長你好委員長請問一下因為這個統一發票對所有的民眾來講特別是一個小確幸一年大概印了多少張的發票我們再算一下以前 |
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因為我們鼓勵用雲端發票所以目前來說紙本的發票是越來越少了而且雲端發票使用率也越來越高當初就是希望說雲端那我們做一個比較就是說大概10年前開始推大概10年左右應該超過10年了超過10年那10年前before跟after現在情況大概是怎麼樣 |
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请署长来说明一下相关的数字请署长因为 |
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過去大家為了收集這個發票弄得整個辦公桌到處都是要對也很難對因為對了十幾年眼睛都變老花了花開 灰灰的直接就電子雲端對 中獎的就中獎那不是很快嗎是… 署長請問一下數據怎麼樣 |
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我們現在數據就是說我們紙本發票這幾年因為雲端發票史上越來越高所以我們紙本發票印製的張數是有才是印刷廠印製的那張數是減少以前大概好像十幾億張有沒有那現在 以前不是十幾億一年大概九億張左右差不多啦 就是九億張那現在大概剩下幾張 |
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比較去年比較低了吧這裡精確的數據我要再確認一下但是如果從比例上來看的話大概占十幾%占全部所有花票的十幾%左右換言之就是整個電子的部分成長了大概快八九十個%吧是不是這麼說 |
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大概本來有7億多張的發票現在都變成雲端的發票了應該可以這麼說我跟委員報告現在紙本在我們全部發票的比例只剩下13%差不多嘛所以我剛剛講的數字87% 87%都是這個是很好的情況讓大家很方便統一發票的主數小確訊會不會減少聽說 |
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你們是怎麼樣把這個中獎的組數降低了 |
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報告委員我們這幾年發票的經費我們編列統一發票給獎跟推行經費是不斷的增加只有在114年度因為三檢的關係我們變稍微少了一點不然的話每年都成長所以我們開獎的組數是越來越多尤其我們這幾年是著重在開雲端發票的就是一般500元獎那個對大家真的是小確幸現在中對多獎一張發票可以中多少錢 |
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就是最多就是一千萬一千萬我的天啊 我從來沒中過那從今天開始我每次一定要記得索取發票是不是記得用下載我們的APP多宣導一下我們要讓這個一千萬一年只有一千萬一次嗎 |
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沒有六期 六期而且每一期開出來大概14張14到15張左右14 15張 哇好 那這個太好的消息了顯然我們很多人還沒有中過獎但是沒關係我覺得財政部這邊其實有很多好消息大家注意聽就可以入寶山但是不要空手而回比如說普發現金一萬塊 |
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部長 現在去領一萬塊的人比率大概有多少 |
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跟委員報告已經領取的有2228萬達到預估領取人數的94.55%快94.5了在這裡跟大家報告就是說領取的截止日是4月30所以還沒有領取的民眾儘快領取好 趕快也報告一下4月1號到4月30出生的新生兒我們要顧慮就是媽媽可能要坐月子或都在忙所以 |
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對於4月1號到4月30出生的新生兒可以到5月22號之前到郵局去領取我們希望就還沒有領取的可以再按照這個時間內去領取好 我覺得這一次的普發現金做得不錯大家都領到了而且都很平順希望這個寶貴的經驗 |
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在下一次或者是明年後年哪一年稅收超征的時候本席現在已經在修法在連署當中 |
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就是以後只要稅收一超增超增過每一個門檻 某個門檻的時候我們就直接劃拨到所有全民的帳戶只要稅收一超增我想這個小確幸是很必須要的我們也感謝財政部其實財政部都是一閃一閃亮晶晶 |
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只要有認真聽的大概都可以覺得很開心所以今年因為馬年也快到了希望新年我們今天就也不要去罵人我們都多一點鼓勵 和氣融融希望兵五年馬年大家就是馬上幸福 馬上發財接著我就講一些發財的事情 |
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請台銀 我問一下部長你們自己推動的以前有一個存摺叫做黃金存摺本席存在這個地方我就講說你們自己要發行黃金存摺你們鼓勵員工 鼓勵大家通通去開戶 |
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定期定額不斷的去儲蓄部長你自己有沒有去開一個黃金存摺那時候的黃金沒有記錯的話每盎司應該是1270塊的美金部長你有買嗎 |
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我只有公教存款一個月一萬塊哇 那就差聽一點老師在講 你都沒認真聽來 我請台銀 台銀 |
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這個業務大概總經理比較熟所以我們請施瑪麗施總經理好 請施總經理台銀有瑪麗讓我們的黃金存摺越來越美麗請施瑪麗總經理施總 現在開黃金存摺我們也都知道台灣有一個黃金王子叫做楊天立一起上來 |
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從那個時候年輕王子現在變成已經快當國王了歲月重重快20幾年了他從以前就不斷的提醒因為他是我學長以前我們都當他貴賓他來介紹一下黃金的走向果然他講得非常準就從每盎司1270塊一路飆升請問 |
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現在開黃金存摺的這個戶數有多少那整體來說的話這些投資黃金存摺的他們大概賺了多少錢現在一樣是多少各位請那個美麗的施瑪莉要讓黃金越來越美麗的施總經理說謝謝委員我先回答第一個問題大概現在目前整個台灣的黃金存摺的開戶超過500萬戶 |
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哇 500萬戶那如果是台灣銀行的話是超過75萬戶那我自己是102年以前在那個買黃金存摺那時候就是1270塊但是 |
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有沒有買但是有 我有買而且是定期定額一個月大概一萬塊買你看但是這個中間有起起落落後來也有賺在一千六百多塊的時候賣掉你太早了啦所以今天很扼腕今天的價格已經台穎的賣出的話已經超過五千兩百元對 |
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你看看 所以我們的黃金國王 王子變國王可不可以請教一下楊天立 楊總經理是不是 楊處長現在黃金的走向 為什麼它就是起起伏伏有人說它還會持續往上漲 你的看法是怎麼樣 |
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是 報告委員基本上目前當然全世界對於金價都非常的看好那最主要的原因還是在於避險那以貴金屬來講的話黃金白銀它在過去因為被當作貨幣使用過所以當大家對於這個市場的風險意識升高的時候那會有一些資金尋求一個避風港所以會來到黃金跟白銀這一類的貴金屬那所以未來的話 |
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黃金的走向還是會持續平穩向上是 報告委員基本上以目前來說的話趨勢上大家都是看會繼續往上但因為短期上漲的幅度非常大所以其實要留意風險那你自己有沒有買那個做黃金存摺 |
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市保委員有 都定期訂了希望改天有機會再讓你的寶貴經驗分享給大家當然本來今天銀行也都來了因為來不及了我覺得我們銀行這幾年表現也不錯但是還是要需要再接再厲因為再接再厲好福氣我們看民間的銀行 |
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那個股價都很高我們也期許在莊部長不要威脅啦你要利誘因為這個董總心智太低了你人事結構也好好想一下多鼓勵他們把餅做大把成效績效做出來希望大家新年通通過一個太平快樂年謝謝謝謝謝謝委員謝謝羅民財委員 |
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接下來請賴慧妍委員質詢 謝謝我在羅明采的後面很吃虧啊他不斷的出金句好 謝謝主席我請財政部部長好 請莊部長 |
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是 部長早安連長我想針對統一花票的給獎還有推行的一個預算來跟部長做一個探討當然就是統一花票的一個抽獎那其實就是跟我們日常生活其實是相關的 |
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那就是說每天買東西我們會去索取花票會不會中獎這個是我們生活上的一個經驗那在這裡跟部長跟那個署長討論一下就是統一花票相關經會的一個編列跟執行那這個非常明確的我們看到了就是說這個法院上沒有問題我們就是從那個 |
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前年的那個營業總稅額提撥3%來支付可是如果我們看到的就是說在115年你的這個預算書裡頭那你編的就是 |
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1971億可是你這個統一花票如果你用3%來提撥的話你其實才是1791億這一個數字你多出來的18億是從哪邊來的 |
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在這裡面因為3%算出來以後除了給獎之外那還有需要一些行政的一些經費那這裡面獎金其實是佔了將近96%都是發送獎金那還有一些系統的維運還有發售經費以及推行經費 |
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這個部分是這樣的一個做編列那最主要還是作為獎金發放所以妳的獎金就佔了96%將近96% |
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对相关经费对就其中有关奖金的部分就达到96%对所以所以就是说如果那你这样子114年的这个预算数的话因为你受台美关系的一个影响你少编了那115年那为什么会多编呢 |
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我們是按照營業稅的全年的預算數預算案數來估3%對金額來這樣算那114年度因為是我們當時編的以後在立法院審議的時候被通山掉了這個金費所以下降對當時有通山那所以減少那115年我們因為目前預算案還沒有審我們是按照全年的營業稅的預算數 |
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來按3%做編列好 你是因為就是114年被統三了那賴思寶委員他有質疑你就是說你的115年那你編的這一個營業稅收入的那個預算總數那個的657億的這個3%變成是197億那還沒有收到的錢你怎麼編預算呢 |
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這個可以解釋一下嗎所以每一年大概都是這樣我們還沒有收到但是我們還是要因為依照法律是全年收入的3%所以我們要先編這個編在稅出的部分那稅入歸稅入所以都會編都用這樣的方式來編還沒有收到但是還是要先編那我們就會按照這樣的數字來安排每一期要開發的開獎的一個組數所以說這個編列預算沒有問題沒有問題就是說 |
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就是說有些委員之一你說你這個編列預算是不是你用你的行政財量權還是說用其他的一個方式變成這樣的一個情況沒有 我們都是按照我們先估一個營業稅的全國收入的預算案數來做編列的 |
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好 部長剛才我聽到了就是說你們對電子花票的一個推廣的一個成效你們感到非常非常的滿意那本席今天就是這個帶了兩張花票特別給你做參考這個是電子花票這個是傳統的花票傳統花票它 |
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它有一個200塊的一個特別獎那雲端的 雲端的它是500塊那這個雲端的話正如你們講的推廣了這麼好那是不是相對的對我們這些偏鄉這些偏鄉的這些百姓的話顯然是有點吃虧 |
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為什麼 它變成一個數位的二等公民因為我們很多老人其實他沒有辦法用智慧性的一個手機你看你現在所有就是說我讓你用一個台南的一個本席的選區裡頭11個區其實它這裡才只有3個區是達到了你的雲端花票的一個標準 |
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後面的幾乎有很多就是說他還是用在資本花票裡頭那針對了這個情況的話就是說我們好像看到了你們推廣的這些數字非常的漂亮可是實際上對於偏鄉的這些人顯然就是不太公平那部長你怎麼看待這個事情 |
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我想委員您這樣的一個建議非常好我們也要去除了都會型的以外在偏鄉的部分讓民眾也會去用所謂的雲端發票那用了雲端發票它這中獎機會當然也就跟著增加那你用什麼方式偏鄉你用什麼方式因為我們現在看到就是你的總體成長量 |
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那可是我們沒有看到你那個縮小那個偏鄉的一個差距是不是有一些方式有一些方式就是說我們從店家當然推廣是非常重要推廣了直接你們有沒有就是說去強化強化就是說到農會去到廟宇去還有到長照的機構去還是說中午共餐的地方這個其實就是最基本的因為你要普及 |
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你希望來普及那你店家徵購的這一些設備有沒有辦法我們去鼓勵他 |
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我们其实也有一些鼓励的一些措施我们希望尤其是有一些商家可以使用云端发票那我们都鼓励然后国税局也会下乡去做辅导除外我们对于优秀的厂商商家也会做鼓励跟颁奖那我觉得委员您所提到的就是说 |
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長輩他沒有這個手機裡面的手機條碼以至於他縱使想要用雲端發票而沒有辦法有載具讓他刷然後進入所謂的雲端發票這個部分那我們這一次在有關推廣計劃裡面已經有做一些調整跟修正那委員您所提出的這個部分我們會把它納進去看用什麼樣的方式除了對於賣家就是所謂的商店 |
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來做處理之外同時對於消費者的部分因為他本身沒有這方面的意識的話那我們可以看用什麼方式讓他可以更深入他沒有經驗的話你要加深他的經驗他使用的一個經驗對 你只要 你看 |
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這個你這樣宣傳刷這一張200塊你得獎200塊刷這一張得獎500塊這個非常顯而易見要不然我來整個我講就來講我就幫你講這些事情可是問題是你的配套要出來配套要出來那這些配套的話就是說我覺得 |
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部長 你講的還是有點空話我希望就是說你可以講得比較具體因為我們鄉下的長輩他很多就是用健保卡健保卡幾乎比他的身分證他用到的次數還多那有沒有機會就是說我們把這個載具這個載具其實你那個條碼都可以刷出來就是鼓勵他們把它貼在他的那個 |
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那個健保卡那個上面然後當然是要綁定戶頭啦這個的話其實這個一個很小的動作如果我們財政部很具體的去把它推動的時候我相信對這一個電子花票的一個推廣馬上會看到成效 |
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是的我想我們國稅局在有很多地方都有所謂基徵所以及分局他們要更深入了解當地的一個情況然後用什麼方式加強推廣那當然這個部分我們也可以跟委員請教也就是長輩們他最習慣用什麼我們用什麼樣的方式來讓他們更接受這樣的一個方式來做消費 |
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是 你講到你的國稅局我要特別提醒你你這個次長的人事跟後面整個署長還有就是你的國稅局局長這個一大掛的人其實都是在等這個上端的這個次長的人事案你全部一堆都塞車了你知不知道這個情況 |
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相關的人事我們會做通盤的考量會也快盡速處理是你要盡速啊你要盡速啊就是這個大家其實在那邊就是人心惶惶啊到底誰要去當市長誰要來當署長然後局長誰來那個這個整個就是說可以坐在這個位置好好的來做事情是謝謝委員執教是好 |
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所以在這裡還是要特別再跟部長就是說比較具體的一個 |
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建議了就是說電子花票在這個城鄉差距上你在鄉下的一個推動事實上他是有他的一個必須要可是你要用對方法這個方法這個有賴於就是說大家的一個用心我還是建議就是說我們用在我們的健保卡我們這個條碼把它貼在我們的這個健保卡上面的話我相信這個成效會很快很快就 |
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表現出來了會在這裡還是那個請部長好好考慮一下委員的建議我們會納入演藝參考用什麼方式去做我希望就是說你這個一個月的時間可以提出來一個比較好的一個推廣的方式一個月內給委員報告是謝謝謝謝謝謝賴會員委員 |
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接下來我們請鍾嘉斌委員質詢主席在場的委員先進列席的政府經濟上的官員會長 共同夥伴媒體之間的女士先生有請莊部長還有互稅署的宋署長請莊部長 宋署長財資中心的張主任張主任 |
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委員好我先問宋署長部長好 那署長好 署長我先問署長 宋署長你有拿過發票嗎有喔 不用緊張有沒有拿過發票我現在都有 如果有人暈斷發票我都先會PP那你最近拿的發票是電子發票嗎 |
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都是雲端發票 只要能刷的話我幫部長請教一下目前我根據你們資料114年度你們的租稅宣導活動有1230萬人參加這個數字看起來很大但是營業人只有不到1萬人 9900募集了489張的發票給社會福利團體你認為這不到500萬張的發票 |
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是多還是少你們在推動捐發票做愛心你們有在做嗎有你有沒有聽過愛心碼有你有做過愛心碼嗎沒有 大部分沒有好 來你覺得不到500張捐給公益團體的發票占我們總體的發票多不多 |
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因為捐發票這個動作基本上還是要其實捐紙本發票是給公益團體製造他們人工的支出捐電子發票很方便愛心多少就出去了因為你也沒用過我告訴你雲端發票110年度開了63億3100萬張結果我們目前公益團體收不到500萬張占比多少千分之0.8不到 |
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請問一下署長你們有在來我用部長好了部長您覺得捐發票做愛心值不值得財政部去支持去推廣值得然後我們是會在那你覺得如果你要捐發票你會怎麼捐把那個紙本發票丟進去嗎你有沒有捐過那是紙本你有沒有捐過我沒有捐過發票你有沒有捐過你有沒有聽過愛心我也沒聽過你也沒聽過愛心可見了糟糕了 |
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部長吃了誠實豆沙包他認為捐發票做愛心很好但是他沒有聽過愛心他只知道資本發票然後我們宋署長他都是拿電子發票但是他也不曾捐過愛心好 我來告訴你來 我們看統一發票統一發票其實目的不是做愛心我要跟你講我沒有要你們不務正業來 看一下意思 |
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當年任選群的時候 民國39年那時候弄了一個發貨票跟給獎暫行辦法 目的防止逃漏充實稅收39年首度實施收了2,900 隔了一年收到5,100有沒有效果 有效果所以這裡面有兩個部分 規定誰要使用發票而且要給獎 對不對你們給獎是定多少 給獎是定幾% 定3% 對不對 |
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過去是大概187億你們實際大概是168億我們看下一頁現在誰開的發票最多署長你們告訴我這些特別中獎的青車來自哪裡是不是都是連鎖店是不是都是連鎖店 |
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為什麼因為連鎖店開的發票佔我們發出的發票9成以上所以你要大家再去營業人用發票其實大部分民眾拿到來對獎的發票已經是連鎖店了連鎖店會逃漏不開發票嗎基本上不會所以說我們往下看 |
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所以說過去你們的預算變了197億我請問你 多少是獎金 多少是宣導目前96%是獎金 96% 4%是宣導4%乘以不到200億大概多少錢 大概8000萬 |
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沒有 8億啦 8億對不對你們8億要去做什麼 做宣導嘛 是不是但是呢 其實大家關心的都什麼委員會關心什麼 小確幸關心的是拿獎金其實呢 有沒有獎金決定了消費者拿不拿發票 |
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但是對於店家他要不要開發票其實差別有限是不是這樣子好 我們來往下看所以說你們現在統一發票繼續給獎有沒有開發受援的效果有該裝的都裝了 |
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對不對 你們該裝發票的都裝啦只是鼓勵民眾要繼續去拿我們沒有人敢說要廢掉同意發票來給人家獎金因為這是民眾的小確幸但是民眾還需要你去宣導拿發票嗎他不是因為你宣導去拿發票的他是因為有獎金他拿發票像我 我都捐愛心嘛 |
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我也不在乎獎金但是你的宣導應該已經效果極致了其實統一發票現在的功能是什麼從變成增加稅收保時安是不是這樣子每次發現時安問題我們都是查什麼查營業人交易鏈的發票流向找到源頭嘛所以透過這個競銷項的沖底你們可以找到什麼找到一個物流跟金流的憑證是不是 |
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所以部長來請你部長來其實統一發票不要小看它已經不是幫助我們國家徵稅收的方式它是確保我們這個社會的經濟活動運行物流跟金流有一個憑證幫助食安你同不同意 |
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完全同意我們來看現在食安說什麼現在餐飲業衛福部說什麼說從業人員 餐飲從業人員調理食品的時候首部不可以同時或接觸繼續接觸金錢你支持嗎你敢不敢去買個小吃攤他跟你要跟你找錢找了錢插一下再繼續煮你敢吃嗎所以你支持嘛對不對衛福在這活動支持但是衛福不敢用罰的啊罰的夜市攤會發發叫啊 |
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財政部可以幫忙 你知道怎麼幫忙嗎往下看其實去年我跟宋組長跟你這邊溝通了很久我們優先導入小規模營業人導入行動支付的優先方法本來小規模營業人是1%如果說他月經營業額超過20萬照規定要同意發票要增加很多的成本但是你們如果鼓勵這些餐飲同業他們用自助找營 自助收營 點餐系統 |
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不用碰錢對不對用電子支付也好用時鈔也好所以呢這種情況之下你們維持他一趴的優惠換成你是小店家你會不會心動對 |
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一般小店家不願意承認我的營業額超過20萬超過20萬要變你們怎麼樣 要用統一發票從401到405的報表 很麻煩 對不對所以你們給他1% 他可以到哪裡署長告訴我 他月經營業額是不是可以到80萬同樣是月經營業額 他過去只找20萬以下的1% |
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你現在鼓勵他說用這個方式他的實收營業額到80萬以下的還是1%你增加多少的稅收1%變成20萬變成80萬增加4倍要不要鼓勵 部長要不要鼓勵當然鼓勵啊這個才會有用啊部長請繼續你現在好像很怕接近麥克風 |
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所以我要跟你說的是說統一發票的宣傳跟給獎給獎絕對要保持但是宣傳你已經不需要去宣傳了該賺的店家都裝了現在這些小店家他維持1%在20萬月經營業額如果你讓他這個優惠他想反正我就用這個機器我的月經營業額在80萬以內我都還是1%他會願意這時候你的稅收增加了4倍你要不要去宣導 |
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還有你這樣幫助什麼幫助我們國民的食安幫助這些餐飲小店他的調理人員 調理食物師前後不用再去碰觸金錢你支不支持部長支不支持 |
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委員非常支持這個部分然後我們財政部也訂了相關的一個機制包含就是所謂用行動支付還有多媒體資訊服務的點餐因為這樣子所以我想謝謝委員好 我要告訴你說統一發票你現在大部分都是由連鎖業出來的了其實你要繼續宣導它的防逃漏 收效慎為但是如果這些原來不用統一發票的小店家你鼓勵他用這個自助收銀點餐機 |
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它因為月經營業額提高到80萬以上以下還可以維持1%它會採用所以是不是有助於稅收減輕負擔有嘛所以最後我們希望你們知道嗎你們過去國稅局的宣導路跑活動有因為路跑活動去多拿發票的有沒有舉手看一看我有去參加路跑我參加了三年 |
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你們擺攤位送贈品啊我每次去參加園園優惠倒數三名的就是三個宣導第一 反我宣導第二 反詐騙宣導第三 租稅宣導因為大家覺得你們贈品都 瘦瘦其實你們要宣傳的是什麼幫助小店家使用你們的自助收銀然後點餐機讓他們享受80萬月均營業額以下一趴的優惠部長 支持不支持 |
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宣導除了路跑活動之外其實還有多元的方式以及去輔導你舉一個例子我來聽聽我經常在地方跟你們稅局配合你應該請你們賦稅署跟國稅局多多的開發多元你們跟傳統店家在鄉下告訴他們小店家用這個自助 |
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收銀 點餐機讓老人用現鈔也可以用讓這些稅務代理人也去用甚至你們跟經濟部走經濟部在2018年推動了行動支付1%的優惠 對不對 |
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那時候你們財政部有發宣導會嗎沒有通通都是經濟部你要不要我幫你跟經濟部請他們一起來宣導我們一起宣導也可以你希望我去跟經濟部講嗎我們自己也可以聯絡你不希望我跟經濟部講那也當然委員願意幫忙很好我就照你的意思我一定下次質詢經濟部叫他們好好的來做宣導幫助我們的小店家幫助我們的國民食安好不好最後結論讓他複製更多對 |
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然後你們的4億的宣導費拿一下來用有效宣導 查訂 科證 營業人使用行動支付及多媒體資訊服務機適用租稅優惠對不起啊這個實在不是一個很好的宣傳詞我一口氣都念不完啊 |
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簡單講就是什麼鼓勵這些免用統一發票的小店家尤其餐飲業用自助收銀點餐機讓他可以享受月均營業額80萬以下維持營業稅1%的優惠我現在講的這段影片剪下來好好去宣導花點錢宣導四億拿出一些出來宣導跟經濟部一起宣導好不好好的謝謝委員充實稅收幫助國民食安好不好是的好謝謝好謝謝鍾嘉賓委員 |
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接下來我們請李坤澄召委 |
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謝謝主席請我們財政部莊部長因為我也同樣關心年終獎金的問題所以我再請一下我們台灣銀行的董事長土地銀行的董事長然後兆豐金控董事長第一金控董事長華南金控董事長合作金庫董事長彰化銀行的董事長台灣中小企業銀行的董事長 |
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請各位董事長先問一下部長我們公股銀行去年的績效好不好去年績效很好然後剛剛董事長也都報告他們的營收都創新高 |
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您說的創新高那表示台灣去年的經濟成長率真的不錯那也顯現在我們銀行的績效上面對不對那我就請教一下銀行的績效好那其實也要鼓勵我們銀行的員工 |
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那当然大家也都很关心说那我们所有这个公股银行那我们的这个员工的这个年终奖金因为今天是一月底了嘛那年终奖金应该是过年前发还是有些是在过年后发我想银行的部分可能有这样子那依序来好了好不好那是不是先请我们这个林董事长 |
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委員好因為我們的獎金年終獎金兩個月是會先發至於績效獎金因為要等到財政部考核我們確定以後我們才能發所以績效獎金是不會發但是因為同仁還是有過年資金的需求所以我們會先借給他然後每個月再扣回來 |
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所以就是還是會在過年前先發4.4個月就對了但是先借但是每個月再扣回來這個我們自己的台灣銀行就是就是最多就4.4個月對不對來 那圖銀呢謝謝 謝謝林董事長那我們圖銀何董事長 |
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土銀的部分的話是在過年前會有先戒資1.5個月然後我們全年的年終獎金大概落在每年的七八月的時候才會把這4.4個月花完所以那過年前 |
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過年前就先戒指它1.5個月那所以跟這個台灣銀行是一樣應該正常是一樣然後是到7、8月的時候才對 考了下來以後才會把4.4個月全部花了對啊 因為過年前總是希望大家都領年終嘛7、8月再領就不叫年終獎金了那也是一樣4.4個月是你看這個部長這個你直屬下面的這個大概台灣銀行跟土地銀行就是4.4個月來 那我們這一個公股洋龍頭來 招風的董董事長 |
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委員好我們的程序大概差不多不過我們的獎金包括就是兩個月的年終獎金那另外還有就是績效那績效當然就要看整個績效情況那另外還有一項就是我們的員工酬勞所以那個部分就變成要開完董事會的時候才能決定的所以整個加起來如果發去年的話大概是八個月左右 八個月 |
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那所以今年呢 今年應該不會今年是發的是去年的那今年的年終獎是發去年的對 發去年整個年度的經營績效那大概是八個月左右八個月八個月左右 好 謝謝接下來第一金控 邱董事長 |
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8個月 其他我看林董事長跟何董事長我們員工表現也不差但是沒有辦法財政部這邊有一關卡住了來 邱董事長 |
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報告委員第一輕控這邊去年已經也是創新高我們年終獎金大概包括所謂的考積績效跟員工酬勞將近八個月會在年結的時候先預支一個月然後在四月份再將剩餘的款項再撥給同仁也是一樣大概八個月左右所以也是先預支一個月一個月會不會太少我看其他比如說像台銀土地銀行都有兩個月 |
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我們一個月但是我們那個春節獎金也有一個月這樣子那所以是 |
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大概在年中的時候會發兩個月發兩個月這樣比較合理不然其他的你們績效也很好然後其他都可以先發到兩個月然後你們如果只發一個月看起來是稍微少一點所以是可以發到兩個月是嗎 還是一個月中間的中是有一個月然後在春節前世界是一個月將近兩個月這樣子 |
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那我覺得還是你們要去檢討一下啦如果說大家都可以發到兩個月因為這個只是先給你拿未來還是會還你啊對不對那我覺得你們考慮一下啦如果可以的話我覺得還是給員工兩個月啦好不好好謝謝謝謝邱董事長接下來黃蘭金控陳董事長 |
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我們一直以來都是年前先發1.5個月然後剩餘的是在4月的時候會發放預計今年的話會超過7個月超過7個月我也建議就是2個月你們也是1.5個月對 這個我覺得也是可以2個月好不好如果其他銀行都有2個月的話不然大家會互相比較好不好好 謝謝陳董事長合作金庫林董事長 |
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包括我們的年終獎金大概預期也是會超過七個月那過年前也是會先發考核獎金一個月然後還有一個月的戒指那所以是兩個月我還是希望如果有機會還是超兩個月啦好謝謝謝謝林董事長來張華銀行胡董事長 |
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包委 我們今年一季大概總共接近八個月我們會先發一個半月然後另外介資一個半月所以你們有三個月是三個月 那看起來是比較起來是彰化銀行的這一個對員工來講是最溫暖的好 謝謝謝謝吳董事長台灣中小企業銀行李董事長 |
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是 報告委員我們的講述辦法裡面三節是發兩個月所以春節會先發一個月然後再戒支1.5個月所以是2.5個月是那全年呢全年今年預估去年因為獲利創新高大概會超過8個月 |
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超過8個月是好 謝謝等一下所有董事長在留步等一下還有問題要問你們來 莊部長所以先聽起來大概其實除了台灣銀行跟土地銀行之外大概都有7 8個月的水準對不對 |
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是的所以这个落差你还是要想办法这个同样都是银行人员那这个部分因为涉及到整个国营事业的一个福利以及待遇的部分是由整个人总以及行政院那边来做统一规划然后原来我们的国营事业是可以到4.6个月但后来因为立法院的决议把它改成4.4个月这个部分我们也希望能够是不是可以给予 |
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這個當然有些是我們行政院內部的整體那我是覺得說既然都是銀行的公股銀行的我們的從業人員那其實待遇真的是不要差太多那怎麼樣去做爭取部長也要幫他們爭取我們會積極的來跟行政院來做爭取 |
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對啊 那不要說這個好像就是案子送到行政院去然後好像沒有動靜了然後就一年一年這樣子我來這邊兩年了金融事業的競爭也很激烈的對啊 好那我現在就問到說大家也很關心關稅的問題其實昨天有討論過 |
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這個總共它有分兩個層次一個是2500億由企業自所投資這樣其實大家都知道說其實我們大企業大概扣掉這個台積電之外1650億其他的一些我們跟半導體相關的這些大的一些企業他們 |
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因為台積電會過去投資他們也會再過去投資這是一部分另外一部分就是屬於信用保證在信用保證我們昨天有提到說2500億這2500億就是由國發基金這邊來統籌但是需要我們公股銀行這邊來做配合 對不對 |
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就國發會來做規劃做一個專案規劃然後國發基金出資以及公股銀行還有民營銀行一起來參與好 那我問一下那我先問一下台銀行林董事長預備 |
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這個企業都會大企業啦當然有些大企業他們自己不一定需要跟這個銀行來借錢但是有一些中小企業可能他要去美國投資需要跟銀行這邊來借錢那就你們來講的話就這一部分那個信用保證基金你們一般都是怎麼樣處理的 |
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其實這個對中小企業的保證有一個是叫中小企業信保基金那這是針對規模比較小的中小型的企業那目前要規劃的這個國發基金規劃的這個就是國家融資保證機制這個是會針對比較大型的企業那如果看中小企業的規模如果他覺得中小信保足夠他運用的話他就可以來申請中小信保 |
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那因為整個國保的機制目前還在規劃當中所以也不太知道說這個未來的費率還有這整個額度現在都還沒有定案那如果這些企業要去美國投資跟你台灣銀行借錢你會借給他們嗎有保證我們就會借有保證 你說有政府的保證就會借對…好 那我請教一下這一個趙峰董董事長 |
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那如果企業要去美國投資要跟你們借錢的話來敢不敢借 可不肯借 要不要借我想還是回到5P的原則不管他去哪個國家投資我們還是要先看看他的風險情況他的5P我們審核過的話那當然我們就會借但如果說在這個屬於信用的有一個margin的話那當然就是說如果有保證我們的借貸的意願會更高 |
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不是 這等於是國家來當這個靠山了國家由我們的國發基金它有當一個靠山然後就是擔心因為就像你講的就是說你們要考慮這麼多的因素在這種情況之下有一些企業可能不一定不一定有這個機會借到錢如果說有國發基金當靠山的話 |
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它的情況還是這樣就是它不會是百分之百的不會是百分之百的信用保證如果百分之百信用保證的話它會有一個道德風險所以大概譬如說保個八成保個七成這樣子所以如果保七成保八成的話對銀行來講我們還是有風險的所以我們當然還是要回到5P原則來審查老實講這些要去美國投資的這些企業規模也不會太小 |
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當然如果以現在所談的這些關稅的話應該都是大企業大企業基本上他們財務狀況都不錯所以當然本來我們對他的信用對他的這個整個信心就比較高但是如果他的相對其他的一些供應鏈的話那當然我們還是必須要回到這裡基本上我們還是都會從5P的方式來所以其實如果你們借給這些大企業你們也能夠活力當然 |
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所以我是希望說有關於這個信用保證未來跟公股銀行借錢的這部分我是希望能夠達到雙贏就是說讓企業有這個更多的資金去美國投資那也能夠讓你們銀行能夠賺錢信用保證是一個信用加強的機制 |
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好 OK 好 謝謝謝謝主席 謝謝我們部長還有所有的公務員 董事長 謝謝好 謝謝李貪生委員的質詢部長請回接下來我們請黃珊珊委員質詢謝謝主席 我請財政部部長請莊部長 |
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委員好部長我想最近大家都看到很多新聞是說我們非常多民眾的小確幸電子發票一塊錢中了上千萬這個是一件好事現在電子發票在推廣的過程裡面目前的比例大概大多少了 |
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我们的87%大概都使用电子发票那我们更希望能够运用云端发票然后存到载具里面去因为现在在载具就主动帮你对讲就不会像有的人找不到了 |
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那当然还要主动对讲之外还要下载我们的APP云端现在比例是多少云端电子发票的65%65%所以还有很大的成长空间是我们希望大家都能够运用所以电子发票是重要的国家政策而且也做了非常的久 |
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那减少纸张浪费的话还有电子账务将来在账务查税上面可能对负税署也有很大的帮助是的那我上次其实在这边已经讲过时间暂停我请一下主计处的副主席时间暂停请蔡副主计长 |
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是 副主席長其實我這個事情在我一到立法院就問過了公家部門對於電子發票跟尤其是電子發票的使用 |
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當時主計長是說有 我們有一個共同的採購契約希望鼓勵但是我們在台北市政府的時候現在台北市政府的電子發票率幾乎是99%我想問一下公部門目前的政府採購有把電子發票作為優先採購的項目嗎 |
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報告黃委員那個是公務工程委員會在但是主計總處是負責所有的核小碼我相信主計單位因為你可以去查一下台北市台北市的主計單位基本上已經都全面的電子發票其他的公部門還有中央主管機關尤其是像你們主計單位你們自己有沒有做這樣的要求或者是公部門有沒有做這樣的KPI |
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我們的經費捷報系統電子化的經費捷報系統裡面每年要拉高多少 至少有個進度表你有沒有做 做了怎麼樣 成效如何這兩年前我就問過了 |
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是…我們是說如果廠商有電子花票那他就不用再檢附那個花票不用再黏來黏去啦一張紙黏得亂七八糟啦那個系統就自動到財政部那個…好啦 副主席這樣我今天我覺得這件事情還是重要的不管怎麼樣政府部門因公…由公而失剛 |
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財政部很努力的在推那現在已經達到八成多了但是政府部門竟然沒有把它列為首要的優先尤其主計單位沒有做這樣的要求我覺得很可惜很多地方政府目前做不到我相信很困難因為對他們來說是習慣的改變但是台北市做得到我相信其他單位也做得到至少你主計總署所轄單位應該大力的去宣導可以嗎 |
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對 我們的捷報系統就電子化捷報系統 就是盡量也可以省很多事情 很多人力很多相關的作業嘛 好嗎提供誘因啦你至少開始提出50%的成長率吧 好嗎我相信這個主席總書做得到啦只要你下個命令我相信各單位 主席單位都會努力以赴嘛你們每年要做那麼多工作這是我的第一個要求好 副主席長請回 |
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好 部長那接下來的問題就是等一下那個負稅署署長要上來現在發票已經成為民眾還有商家一定會使用的東西了我不曉得目前為止依照財政部的函式同意發票不是屬於所謂的公益勸募條例裡面的財務範圍所以募發票不需要向衛福部或主管機關來做報備對不對所以誰都可以募發票嗎誰都可以募集發票嗎 |
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我們在超商都會捐一個那個發票收集的嘛對不對那個可能是某某某某公益團體我們就被丟進去然後他中獎了增加他的收益嘛對吧那所以不是公益團體可不可以募發票 |
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沒有規定 所以表示任何人都可以募發票募集發票 所以大家可以收集發票收集發票要幹嘛 中獎嘛另外一種要幹嘛 討漏稅 報帳我現在就出示一個非常有趣的畫面在臉書裡面有個社團叫做買賣發票交流團 |
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發票買賣交流團裡面有1831個成員然後裡面告訴你說曾賣2月份的加油發票可協助塔桶邊我的加油發票我可以賣我可以打你的桶邊請你跟我聯絡接下去受工程發票百分之比%可談請跟我聯絡也就是我在賣發票還公然賣發票 |
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接下來有需要工程發票請找我可以當場交易另外一個是找長期配合開發票的工程公司收加油發票4000塊去打統編的高雄面交者加發票面額10%作為酬勞部長我剛問是不是每個人都可以搜集發票 |
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這是不可以的而且還做這個買賣而且他是公開社團你現在部長你現在打開臉書你也看得到還有一個承收一月份的加油發票共需六千塊虛打公司同編接受雙北面交易發票面額百分之十支付買賣要加油發票幹嘛員工要拿回去公司報帳的啦或者是公司在蒐集裡面做抵銷的啦 |
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拿工程發票要幹嘛 抵稅嘛都是這一種 這裡面一頭拉骨人一頭拉骨 這個查過沒 要不要查這個部分我們盡快去查他已經行之有年 甚至有人直接說跟我聯絡 還有人上去抱怨說我都已經打完你的編號了 結果你失聯了 |
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還在這邊抱怨表示這件事情行之有年公司員工拿假發票回去公司報帳小錢那個賣工程5%的發票的人是大錢啊負稅署知道這件事嗎 |
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國稅局知道這件事嗎剛才我有請同仁去問一下國稅局局長他們目前是都說沒有聽到這件事就是我上臉書就查得到然後你們沒聽說這樣是怎樣不是提醒他就在那裡anytime你只要上去打發票買賣就有這個臉書的網而且他裡面一堆而且應該行之多年 |
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買賣發票我剛剛講公益團體可以募集發票他只能拿去對講除非公益團體也拿去核銷那就有問題但這個擺明了就是要逃漏稅幫助逃漏稅是不是有刑責的是 |
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幫助買賣發票是不是也有刑責如果他涉及以詐欺或其他不正當方式協助貪婪討論他收代價 收10%的代價有沒有刑責 要不要移送法辦我已經幫你打好你的桶邊了請你跟我聯絡這樣有沒有罪 |
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如果我们查到具体证据一定会依法处理这其实是很严重的问题如果是只是对讲那就算了你没有拿出去交易现在是要依照相关的规定税捐基增法41条买发票的部分他以诈诉或其他不正方法逃漏税捐 |
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要五年以下有期徒刑如果帮助或教唆一样三年以下有期徒刑这些不管是帮助还是教唆甚至已经在从事甚至已经交易完成然后已经拿到公司去抵税了这每一个中间你都要查可以吗可以还面交我们立即处理而且严重的是还主动说我公司可以卖 |
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公司可以賣發票 這件事情 知識體大他賣了多少 賣了多久 逃了多少稅嚴懲不待 抓到 移送追究他多年來的行為 可以嗎我們會盡速處理 而且依法處理而且會從嚴處理 這個不能只有我知道你們不知道啊 國稅局不知道更離譜啊 |
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已經我們常年都在抓這種討論所以看到他的肖像 鏡像不正常我們也會主動去集合對不對對 沒錯我們本來就在查對那人家大剌剌在外面賣這是明目張膽這是明目張膽而且是公開社團你說他私密社團也就算你找不到公開社團每天都在你現在就可以上去幫他打個統變他就給你10% |
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有沒有很離譜因為每個人平常就會加油嘛只是加油了我們就是放在口袋裡然後拿到等到時間拿出來對講他不是耶你放在口袋裡之後我幫你打了統編你還可以去公司報這個稅然後你還要給我報仇發票不該變成犯罪的工具發票不該變成我們國家鼓勵人民不誠實的工具對吧 |
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還可以拿出來銷售還可以拿出來買賣這些都是不能接受的對吧好 所以我給你一點時間雖然我們民眾黨團還是會有新的委員來接所以這個部分部長請你一個月之內查清楚回文給所有民眾黨團還有我們財政委員會的委員好嗎好 我們立即處理好 謝謝委員謝謝部長謝謝我們結束黃珊珊委員的質詢接下來請林思敏委員 |
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好 謝謝主席我請莊部長部長早我想今天我要先針對我們統一發票中獎獎金的議題先就教部長部長 |
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我想剛才大家的這個資訊的重點都認為說統一發票制度的核心精神就是以獎勵來代替查核的成本鼓勵民眾索取發票 抑制逃漏稅進而提升政府營業稅收也就是說我們民眾他願意拿發票國家的稅收就會增加稅收增加才會有更穩定的獎金來源 |
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所以請問部長既然統一發票中獎的獎金來源是由我們預估的營業稅來支應當我們今年度的營業稅收增加的時候財政部是不是也應該按比例或至少適度的在下年度去把這個增加中獎的獎項數目與獎金總額 |
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跟委員報告就當說超增的時候我們不要講減的時候超增的時候營業稅增加的時候是不是要適度的做回饋我想這個部分剛剛委員講得很清楚也就是我們其實這麼多年來都是按當年度的預算案數來編那至於實增數因為在我們編列的時候並不知道實增數會多少那有增也有減 |
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也會超過預算數也會少於預算數那這個部分如果要再補的話就必須要兩年後再來補因為在編的時候那我想這個部分也涉及到法律在適用上是不是可以這樣做以及預算的編列上是不是因為我們本來這邊是稅出稅入這樣子 |
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所以部長您意思是說法律上可不可以編的問題因為法律上這個部分第一個我們先行的營業稅法你也認同我的講法因為你這個就是以營業稅來這個編預算來編那個3%來這個作為獎金這個是這個比例是已經固定下去了所以你的營業稅增加的時候 |
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按照我們法律的規定你就是必須要把這個增加的營業稅的3%增加的部分你也要拿出來去作為獎金這是法律的規定因為我看到你的報告說這個如果增加的我不編就收歸國庫你剛才有回答賴司保委員這樣講 |
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我們因為營業稅當年度的收入我們先估一個全年的營業稅的收入然後再把3%把它先算出來那個是周圍的那這個變成稅出你就是預估一個營業稅的稅入是多少在按財化法的規定在劃歸中央跟地方分兩塊部長我告訴你其實這跟財化法沒有關係是有關係的 |
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怎么会有关系这个就是你营业税3%都是作为奖金另外97%你当然就是依照财务法的规定去分配给地方我现在讲的是营业税法的法律规定那么清楚3%应作为奖金那你怎么可以把这个3%收回国库呢你收回国库的法律依据在哪里 |
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稅收收入國庫是基本的不是 但是你營業稅法有規定你就沒有依法所以我現在的問題在執行面到底下下年度你剛才一直提到下下年度依照相關的預算法能不能編的問題是不是這樣子 |
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這部分我請那個蔡副主席長我想這個部分我再跟你講清楚一點我覺得還是要回饋給我們的這些納稅人還有我們的人民讓人民有小確幸 |
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主席長 我現在告訴你你今天的書面報告的結論我唸一下給你聽你說統一發票的設計 給獎規範及相關政策內容均由財政部依營業稅法第58條的規定訂定統一發票的給獎辦法並負責統籌規劃與執行 |
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本處於年度預算的籌編過程配合財政部推估次年度全國營業稅收的預算數何時匡列相關經費以維持統一發票給獎制度的穩定性並確保相關制度措施得以延續是 是 是 |
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所以你的報告是說要依照營業稅法58條何時來編列但是如果說假設我們講今年度的營業稅超出你原來預估的徵收額 |
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那依照58年的規定如果超徵了100億那你要把3%你要把3億再拿出來再看在下下年度去做編列這個預算去讓這個民眾來這個抽獎是不是應該這樣子 |
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是 報告委員我們在去年8月就把預算送到立法院 是啊送今年 所以去年8月的時候當時要100 今年會收多少營業稅那是預估嘛 預估嘛所以就用 因為要編預算嘛它預估有5000 |
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這個都沒有問題啦我跟你講但以後執行執行因為財政部在報告裡面講得很清楚剛剛部長也解釋得很清楚嘛實際執行如果按照我現在只是這樣問你好了啦因為我們現在一直講到說下下年度到底可不可以編 |
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那你認為可不可以變因為假設我們超徵的就是100億那其中3億就是依法你一定要作為統一發票的獎金那你是不是可以在下下年度把這筆超徵的稅收 |
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編在下下年度裡面的公共預算報告委員這個給講的辦法這個是財政部的權責預算是你編的你要跟財政部討論但是他對這個他們條文的解釋我們當然要尊重主管機關 |
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那部長他推給你我請教你部長因為我是這個我是覺得從依法我們要核實編列法律的規定就是3%即便你今天有多收那你也要想辦法在下下年度去把它回補回去啊而不是把它這個就納入國庫啊這已經明顯違反營業稅法了嘛 |
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對不對我這樣講有沒有道理跟委員報告營業稅法很明確就是說以由全年營業稅收入總額中提出3%這個全年就是指這一個年度但是你後來整個這個年度的3%但是你當初在編預算的時候是按照你整個去預估預估出來的但是你最後 |
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你超真的 超真的是不是你要何時編列依照音樂稅法何時編列統一發票的獎金稅收是不是一定會比預算數來得多這不確定 但是我們說最後整個年度的預算去計算的結果確實超真的 |
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那短徵的時候譬如說我們現在不講短徵我現在是跟妳講短徵當然沒有問題現在講說超徵的時候妳超徵的稅收依照營業稅法妳要拿出來做這個獎金因為如果短徵的話像114年短徵288億我覺得我還是希望妳們依法執行我們現在都是依法在執行的所以說這個妳去檢討一下好不好 |
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這部分要檢討一下因為時間的問題我是覺得你們要檢討這樣才是依法行政另外針對那個 |
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因為我們針對信用貸款的問題我們想台美關稅議定的內容中國發會主導的2500億的信用保證借款也會要求各行庫共同組織國家隊所扮演的角色除了融資以外也會共同出面提供保證的一個額度所以部長 |
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若是按照政府這樣的規劃八大公股行庫都要加入這個信用保證計畫所以部長我們有沒有試算過各公股行庫要負擔多少的融資額度 |
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部分因為國發會還在規劃當中那除了我們公股行庫之外國發基金以及民營行庫也會一起邀請加一起加入所以有關相關細節的部分大概多少現在都還不知道都還沒有做這個最後的確認是的他們還在規劃我想我們115年度的各公股行庫的預算已經編列了 |
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那為了因應這項計畫若是各行庫沒有另外的一個增資計畫是否會相對的排擠到其他國內企業融資的一個需求這個部分我們一定會去考慮他們的一個資本的部分那我相信國發會在規劃的時候也會邀同我們的公股行庫一起去討論 |
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所以公共航空都要去討論所以我請各位董事長上台一下好不好時間暫停一下我簡單問各位 各位簡單回答 |
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我想如果說就是如果屆時國發會要求各位就是要提供一定的一個融資的一個保證 |
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如果各行庫因為你現在預算已經編了未來各個行庫將會採取怎樣的方式來調整信用核貸的額度比如說我們假設我們房貸的需求會不會因為說這次你們要加入信保的融資而影響到我們房貸的需求你們要如何來調整因應我們請各位董事長一一回答好不好先請趙風晶好了 |
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不會影響我們有很多的方式譬如說我們自己的增資或者是發行次數的債券或者是吸收存款等等我們有很多的方式來因應所以你們有因應的措施但是我們只要求一件事情就是說因為對美國的投資是所有的ICT產業的大家共同投資所以不應該這些產業是台灣所有銀行業的客戶所以不應該只是由關股來做關股我們可以來先做但是也希望其他的民營銀行也必須要加入 |
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所以你們有因應措施土銀跟委員報告如果說國家融資保證需要土地銀行也參與的話就比照現在的中小企業信用保證基金一樣我們可能會在當年度如果不足的部分我們會補辦預算的方式來增加這一筆的支出台銀 林董 |
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報告委員我們對於企業的融資主要還是看整個銀行的可以承作的能量我們台銀本身在所有的銀行當中包括民營的銀行我們的存款是最多的所以我們的量基本上應該是夠的是足夠的 |
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是足夠的只是說因為我們的預算呢必須要經過這個大院的審議那我們的預算已經編列了那115年其實是還沒有開始審那至於後續呢如果要需要我們去做增資的話呢那這部分可能我們也有向行政院反映所以你們有調整的方式啦有應應的措施我有向行政院反映說這個可能還要看看這個預算的編列到底到時候這個大院審議的時候是不是有可以做一個調整的空間是是好謝謝好我們請花銀 |
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我懷疑目前來說如果從資本市足率來看的話我們還是有空間的那我想因為整個需求的面目前還沒有完整的統計而且剛剛也誠如那個趙鋒那個董事長說的希望是全體的銀行一起來參加而不是只有那個公股行庫 |
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我們的loading應該是可以接受的是可以承受了好 謝謝我們請第一金控 |
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蕭委員報告第一金庫這幾年來因為盈餘的增加我們的整個資本市場率在今年底是大幅的提升超過法定的標準蠻大的所以我們有足夠的空間可以來因應企業的需求不會排擠到其他的企業的融資我們有蠻大的空間可以增加謝謝合作金庫 門合庫 |
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委員包括我們業務的承作空間企業基金的業務承作空間還是有的這個部分應該是另外一種是應該不會排擠到我們國內的承作空間好 謝謝我們彰化商營包委員我們本來在放款就變一定的成長力我相信配合政策這個部分的話彰化營養沒有問題 謝謝都沒有問題 好 |
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台灣中小企業銀行跟委員報告一下我們預算編列本來是成長型的一個編列所以我們來做一些裡面因子或結構的調整應該是沒有問題都不會受影響不會的好 謝謝我想謝謝各位今天也是我們常委會 |
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可能請各位來這個會期最後一次最後祝福我們剛才羅明財委員講的祝福大家馬上幸福 馬上有錢大家都心想事成 新年快樂 謝謝謝謝委員 謝謝大家 謝謝就是大家都業績長紅好 謝謝我們抓委林思敏委員接下來請 那我就講我自己李彥秀委員 |
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好的我是不是可以邀請部長請莊部長委員好部長我還是要著重在今天我們專報上面的議題我們去年度2025年我們雲端發票開立的張數達到63億張這個數字很棒使用率也增加到65% |
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同一發票的APP的下載人數突破743萬張這個數據其實很漂亮很棒我必須要肯定部長那過去這幾年我們也增加民眾的中獎的機率去年包括雲端發票的使用去年使用達到65%提升了4.9%將近5個百分點 |
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部長 那我們雲端發票使用率在今年度2026年我們有沒有信心可以突破到70%到達七成 |
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這個部分我們持續的要成長 但常常我們會超過我們的KPI有沒有機會 有沒有機會 有沒有信心努力 努力中就多鼓勵 多一點獎金 然後多一點宣傳然後多一點主訴 說不定就有了我們的成長除了政府之外 其實還有商家 |
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那當然我們設定目標嘛我們總是每一年都有預定的目標嘛那有沒有機會突破七成有沒有信心突破七成我們朝這個目標來前進努力好我給你們期望只是七成啦部長我相信你有這個能力我相信同仁有這個能力部長 |
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那除了云端载具之外我刚刚听到您回答宗家兵委员说我们有爱心的电子发布有爱心码没关系你业务房门你不知道有爱心码这件事情但是你过去有看到那个知道有爱心码只是没有家住了 |
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沒有加進去 你沒有加進去過你沒有加進去但你都知道過去我們去全家7-11都看到有一個桶子過去那個發票塞進去滿滿那個是實體的發票對 實體大家愛心很多雲端發票也可以加進愛心 |
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現在我們有多一個愛心我們除了捐贈發票給弱勢團體我們過去有在推動條碼有限愛心無限我們有愛心溫度計的網站這個愛心溫度計的網站可以看到我們現在多少張已經累積了多少的愛心就可以看到那個數字愛心捐贈的發票數量部長你知道到今年度就是去年這一年度你知道有多少張比例是多少 |
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同仁可不可以協助一下因為部長過去對愛心碼他沒有加入他可能沒有關注到這個數字比例是多少 有多少張114年度已經達到1億1300多萬張比例是多少 |
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那沒有關係 我時間有限部長 如果你過去你也沒有用愛心碼捐過那你就知道更何況你是主辦機關更何況大部分的民眾他就更多人不知道有愛心條碼可以 |
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捐贈這件事情你同意嗎雖然我們現在雲端啊就是載具的使用很多大概普及率非常高但如果連你都沒有加入過更何況一般的民眾所以 |
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我要凸显的就是说过去我们看到国人台湾人其实都爱心满满但是我们现在很多的眷目基金会他比较过去长期就收入这个拿到发票收入就减少很多我想你很清楚我在讲什么所以在这些比如说像创世基金会等等好多基金会他们就感觉说 |
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今年的冬天好难过他们过去收入很多可以用这些收入来照顾很多人但是我们现在好像爱心减少事实上不是国人的爱心减少是很多人不知道有爱心码这件事情所以我们现在载具使用虽然已经普及率高达七成但是我们爱心捐赠码的使用率 |
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雖然剛剛還有爆出一個數字但使用率事實上是不夠高的部長你同意我的說法嗎報告 愛心碼那個當時是因為我們推動雲端發票那有些社福團體認為我們推動雲端發票以後它能夠收集到的實體發票就少了因為大家都到雲端是 因為現在國人載具的使用變高了我們就推出所謂的愛心碼那這個愛心碼表示是說消費者他有固定的要去捐 |
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對 但是就是很多過去大家隨手去全家買一個東西就捐一張發票但是很多人沒有設這個愛心碼所以他就不知道說他也可以捐贈對 所以就是說我們現在對於愛心碼的推動這個數字我覺得是不夠普及不夠高的所以也相對的影響到很多慈善團體他們的收入所以可以照顧的人減少很多 |
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这个部分我们可以再加强的宣导让大家知道包括创世基金会包括创世基金会在113年也就只有4100多万张短少六成所以部长谢谢你刚刚回应我说我们来想办法来推广好那我的重点就要回过头来跟部长讨论就是说我们推广用什么样的方式来推广现在 |
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很多的志工包括像創世基金會走在街頭 走在市場鼓勵大家捐或者是糖寶寶基金會在寒風當中做餅乾其實財務上是雪上加霜但是只要我們有一個更有力的宣傳方式我相信那個愛心碼 |
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很快的政府主動推動來做就很多人會知道那我今天會在質詢過程當中我就希望部長可以承諾譬如說比照雲端發票我們也可以有增加愛心捐贈獎這件事情就是說我們不管有多少的 |
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我們不管有多少的主數我們留一組主數也一兩組主數主數多少我不管就是說你只要捐我我固定比例我從裡面也推出來這不會增加你的預算金額只是主數做了一些我保留一小部分的主數來鼓勵大家捐愛心捐贈 |
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當然方法很多你是主辦機關你去想但是我覺得比照這幾年很多慈善基金會 缺失基金會他們現在收入短少六成以上連買尿布成人紙尿布的錢都不夠我覺得我們應該有不同的策略跟方法來做部長我們可不可以朝這樣方式去進行人家會想說我們這個部長是愛心部長是媽祖婆部長 |
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對於一些慈善基金會來說所以在不增加你的預算之下我們有一部分的主數來去做一些調整我們可不可以朝這樣的方向去進行跟委員報告我想我們都鼓勵用發票來做愛心那我相信除了這個之外做愛心的方式有很多捐發票是途徑之一平常也有很多人在捐但是要有方法 |
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鼓勵大家做很多政策要達到目的要有一定的工具來處理嘛那我剛剛是舉一個例子來鼓勵你們來做組長 那你們還有其他的方式我覺得因為對於現在這個大家捐 從雲端捐發票 愛心嘛其實我們看到其實推的是不夠的你也同意包括連你自己都沒有設定 |
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所以怎麼樣用什麼樣的方法讓民眾有這個意願推廣它我們要有一定的工具跟手段來處理所以在這邊我要求就是說是不是署長可以朝這樣方式部長可以朝這樣方式去規劃並且一個月之內我們提供出一些你們實質的做法出來我們來評估一下我相信也不是說沒有填愛心碼的人就沒有愛心 |
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當然 但是要透支她不知道包括妳自己都不知道說可以用愛心碼嗎我知道 但是我有固定我有相關的捐款的方式但是愛心碼可以直接捐連妳都沒有帶頭試用我就會覺得非常可惜 |
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好部長我還有其另外一個問題要請教您喔就是說剛才林思明招委有問到就是說我們現在在編這個營業稅的部分有固定的有三趴要拿來做這個這個發票的獎金跟相關的一些行政的費用但是因為每一年我們的 |
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營業稅的收入高高低低所以這幾年包括像去年我們就是營業稅包括有短徵的狀況包括我們的好幾個稅收都有短徵的狀況我們接下來你那個營業稅的部分你怎麼去儲戶因為經濟成長 |
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並不等於營業稅的收入增加我想你同意我的說法雖然我們這幾年經濟暢旺但是很多我們出口其實還有它可以退稅的所以經濟成長並不等於營業稅增加所以這個會不會在你們在預估那個稅入的時候 |
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是不是你像今年你又編會比較高你今年編多少我看看你今年編的好像又比較高你又高你今年編的是比較高你去年是你去年短編了嘛去年是短編但你今年編的成長數是高的 |
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去年114年事實上我們的營業稅的實增數是低於預算數到目前到12月底為止初步的統計是短收了288億是那你今年為什麼會編在115年的時候115年我們在估的時候當然我們會在估的時候會考慮諸多因素最主要是消費的成長你認為今年消費會成長115年我們是根據消費的一個情況來做處理的 |
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那你去年有沒有預估錯你去年也預估錯因為去年是短掃啊還有出口多的話會要做退款的那個退稅但是你之前還開了記者會信誓旦旦說我們今年我們中獎數會增加我們中獎金額也增加所以那個時候信心滿滿到後來我們發現說去年 |
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虽然经济成长不错但是因为营业税跟经济成长营业税的所得跟经济成长是两件事情所以不等于经济成长所以委员说明我们编的时候虽然我们后来时增数是短编但是我们在奖金的部分是按预算按数并没有因为短增而受影响所以这个部分是这样的是因为大院删除了我 |
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有刪減我們的預算所以這個部長這跟大院是因為這是按照稅入你實際的稅入來去做編列我們的稅數有被砍的是被砍的所以就有一些但是會按照實際金額來處理但是你明年像以今年度來說你是預估會成長對今年是成長然後也會增加加開主數對 |
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那万一如果今年的结果是减少呢那你就再减实际的结果实际的结果我们也不会减少我们的发放奖金如果实增数低于预算案数我们也不会去减少开奖的主数 |
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因為我們預算案數就已經把它編下去了不會因為實際的結果而有短暫有減少 謝謝部長我還是期待我的愛心發票的部分一個月之內我們提出一些政策跟方法鼓勵大家加入愛心嘛讓我們青年度所有的慈善基金會不再感覺冬天那麼寒冷部長來帶頭來鼓勵譬如說我們多增加一個愛心捐贈獎來抽抽看 |
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固定的比例來去做一些調整固定的主數來做一些調整 可以嗎我們評估一下 好不好好 謝謝部長謝謝委員好 謝謝李彥秀委員的質詢謝謝 部長請回接下來請顏寬恆委員質詢主席 各位立席觀眾大家好主席有請財政部莊部長請莊部長 |
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委員長部長早部長我們載具的使用對於民眾來說已經是很普遍的一個狀況我們都是宣導說請民眾善用載具也增列了雲端獎項的這樣子增列很多所以來吸引民眾使用其實成效也還不錯但是大家都有在用但是現在有一個新的問題出現就是說民眾有載具了 |
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反而是商家沒有不一定是小店家 小攤販有一些就是說像知名的餐飲他們雖然有提供發票但是並沒有提供載具的服務可能是因為店家很忙所以會事先打一堆發票先把它打出來那種像店鋪 像一般的店鋪還是說夜市的攤販就是先把這些發票打出來 |
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這樣子民眾就沒有辦法索取載具所以這種方法似乎跟我們鼓勵使用載具的初衷背道而馳所以說照理來講說有電子發票不就是代表說該店應該必須要有提供刷載具的服務財政部有沒有針對像這類有發票卻沒有載具的店家做過詳細的調查統計 |
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我們這個部分持續我們國稅局還有我們所的分局跟計程所都在持續的輔導營業人使用所謂的電子發票如果他是開立電子發票的話他就要具備條碼的掃描機具或是設備如果我們買售的人我出示了我的一個載具的話他就不能拒絕一定要掃描我們載具然後讓他能夠發票可以存到雲端發票 |
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至於還沒有這些機械設備開立電子發表我們的國稅局都持續在做輔導以及推廣就是說設備障礙的這些店鋪比如說設備還沒有提升還沒到位 是不是這樣子好 那我再問一下就是說部長其實你有沒有去夜市會不會去夜市走一走看一看偶爾會去 對所以應該就會清楚說這是普遍存在的這不是單一個個案這種情況我們剛剛說到這種情況 |
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我們從數據上面可以看到近5年我們的雲端發票開立張數從109年的24.78億張然後上升到113年已經有55.36億張了 |
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所以成效算是不錯這個部分行業雲端發票的使用率其實還是偏低的可以說非常低譬如說像法律及會計服務業藥品及醫用化學製造業還有菸草製造業水上運輸業還有廢棄物清理以及資源回收處理業 |
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這些產業在雲端發票的使用率其實都是個位數所以這個部分請問財政部有沒有注意這樣的問題財政部後續是如何的督導 |
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您這邊看到的是113年度那也跟委員報告114年度的雲端發票已經達到的63.31億114幾114年的雲端發票已經到63億超過63億那使用率也達到64.55%有大幅的一個提升當然有一些還沒有運用的部分這也是我們未來要努力的目標 |
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持续的辅导以及宣导我们希望更快速的去运用然后也知道这样运用其实是对税收友好对产业还有一些回溯的一个追查也是有所帮助的 |
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是 我再提一個就是說像一般消費性一些消費端的視角比如說我們現在常常在有一些自動停車就路邊停車 自動那些機器人無人商店還有自動販賣機這一些它有一些我自己就碰到就是說我要去刷載具沒有 刷不到 感應不到就在那邊等 等紙本的它跑紙本的這個發票出來有些甚至就是就是常常發生這種情況甚至沒有發票也有 |
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所以它到底是設備障礙就是說它沒有更新還是說因為現在這種情況雖然我們財政部規定112年開始說自動販賣機應該要逐筆開立發票但實際走訪很多我自己碰到了常常停車路邊停車還是停車場裡面那要去取車的時候 |
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要去刷 有些新的它就會有我們載具的一個感應沒有的話就在那邊只有用按鈕去按然後輸入信用卡然後就是給我們那紙本的這種情況所以能不能 我想既然是要推廣就不是說只是發新聞稿還是這樣子我們應該說針對這些有設備障礙的這些廠商或者業者才能夠的要用什麼樣的作為來督促他們另外 |
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雖然普及了啦但是老實說因為很多業者還是不願意不是不願意啦實在太忙了實在太忙他們就說第一線還是很多不少很多的業者他沒有跟進沒有跟進不是做不到啦是覺得說太麻煩所以對於這些中小企業小店鋪來講其實多一個系統就多一份人力就多一些這個工作量所以說我想部長就是說希望財政部能夠全面的去稽查 |
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各個販賣機是否已經符合法規這些另外是不是建立一個網站讓民眾可以來幫助你們一起檢查讓發票載具能夠全面落實這個建議可以嗎 |
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委員很好 我想我們一定會加強因為其實我們也知道有的時候在停車去停車場停車那個收費機有些可以少那個條碼有些不具有這樣的一個功能那讓你覺得想要少而沒有辦法少那個是很扼腕的一件事情那我想我們的國稅局以及所屬的都會加強去做而且我們也會有計畫那我們希望真正能夠深入到 |
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商家裡面去然後輔導他然後來運用謝謝部長這一個重要的就是說目前財政部新增就是2月1號要上路的新制就是入境旅客可免稅攜帶兼衛福部 |
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這個核定通過健康風險評估的指定菸品就是加熱菸我們就直接講加熱菸那上限是200支當然這些相關的規範我們都很支持但是現在一定要跟民眾講清楚因為現在新聞標題新聞標題都是說財政部預告入境吸加熱菸200支免稅然後國稅國界署警告帶回國內最高罰500萬 |
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200支免稅然後你帶回國內最高罰500萬所以這個民眾老實講第一眼看不懂就會出問題了就會出問題了所以這個財政部大多數認為說財政部已經公告了入境可以攜帶免稅的菸品200支但是另外國際署說要罰500萬又說不行所以這部分 |
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部長說明之前我是不是可以直接講一個把他就說你這樣子是不是告訴我們說只可以國人回國的時候在台灣的機場免稅店台灣的機場免稅店購買加熱煙瓶 |
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因為它是經過國建署合格的衛福部認可的然後200支免稅可以帶進來因為如果假設他從日本他從其他國家的機場免稅店買好之後帶到國內他也不知道這個菸品跟台灣通過的菸品是不是一致裡面的成分是不是一致品項是不是一致所以如果他從日本帶加熱菸帶回來可是到海關被攔查說這個 |
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連內容不符 品項不符就被罰5萬到500萬所以是不是說要這樣說就是說我們的國人回國之後在機場免稅店 台灣的機場免稅店買200支的加熱煙免稅可以帶進來只限台灣的機場免稅店是不是這樣 |
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不是這樣說因為我們在台灣可以銷售的是要經過衛福部健康風險評估的那機場銷售的呢那機場如果要銷售當然就是說我們台灣的免稅店的機場當然是要販售當然是要經過經過我們的健康風險評估的 |
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才可以 我們這邊的公告只是就法規的部分因為菸品有很多譬如說有捲菸 有止菸我們只是捲一個免稅的數量部長 這樣問題會複雜化我們只講一個 就加熱菸因為只有台灣這樣子規定我們現在可以200支菸可以帶進來免稅200支 200支菸那是必須要符合台灣我們這個 |
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健康風險評估管制的這些煙品那只有台灣的機場深層艙機場裡面專賣的這些加熱煙就是符合所以在這邊買沒問題絕對不會觸法是不是這樣要很明確的很清楚的委員您說的沒有錯那還有要特別說明就是說目前國外在銷售的部分都沒有經過台灣的健康風險評估所以你帶進來可能有衛福部這裡面所提到的罰款的問題 |
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對嘛 所以我說要很明確嘛 不然他他在社交平台說 煙瓶有八款 十款那明明這八款 十款我在日本也看到我在韓國也看到我就直接帶回來 同樣的嘛對不對 可是他帶回來就被罰了你台灣有賣這個產品 賣這個商品那我從國外帶回來 結果就被罰了你說我可以帶兩百支然後呢 我怎麼知道另外的說要罰五萬到五百萬所以我告訴 我跟部長講說我們第一眼就要讓民眾看得懂 |
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不然的話你會害他們處罰所以這個很重要所以我們今天就是說部長也為我們說明了我們只能夠買國內的通過的菸品然後在台灣的免稅店機場的免稅店購買的加了菸品就是符合規定的不會受罰就這樣子對不對謝謝您說得很清楚對好的謝謝部長謝謝委員謝謝袁寬衡委員 |
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接下來我們請王世堅委員質詢謝謝主席我請財政部莊部長請莊部長 |
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委員好總部長辛苦了兩個問題第一個問題就是說我們營業稅法有規定那麼我們要提撥營業稅稅收的3%做發票的獎金那其實這幾十年下來這也深受我們民眾們的 |
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喜愛和配合因為這鼓勵推動了統一發票的使用鼓勵民眾要記得索取發票來減少這種逃漏稅這是非常正面的 |
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可是我覺得這幾十年下來社會的討論一直跟財政部在捉迷藏因為財政部的意思是說要根據預算數下去提撥這3%那實增數因為在這四五年來我們實增數都增加而且增加的金額都上千億之多那實增數跟 |
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預算數的這個差額的部分就沒有任何的獎金那當然啦財政部的理由也對財政部是說那時增數必須下一個年度才能知道而且超增也有獎金那短增那怎麼辦呢所以也對啦本席我個人的看法我是認為說那乾脆我們就成立一個基金專戶乾脆就所有 |
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這個實質的營業稅的收入就在於就按照這個實質的金額撥到一個帳戶裡面根據這個帳戶裡面去提撥3%也就是說 |
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即便有短徵或者時徵有增加那就在這個戶頭裡面加加減減還有很多是民眾沒有去兌換發票獎金的有的是他忘了兌獎 沒有兌獎有的是根本眼睜睜的看著明明中獎但是因為電子發票他沒有去歸戶 |
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我沒有歸戶的結果也有很多民眾這樣子領不到痛失獎金而且這個歷史越來越多金額也都滿大的所以我的看法就是說乾脆就成立基金專戶那政府也不用 |
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虧民間嘛民間也不去占政府的便宜就是該多少那我們有的是下個年度時增金額才出來的那就歸到這個裡面嘛大家稍微慢慢計算嘛不是這樣嗎 你的看法呢 |
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委員是希望成立一個基金專戶不管是短徵的 超徵的或你沒有來對講的通通到這裡面去然後再試情況加徵款項那我要跟委員報告對於沒有對講的款項其實在我們今年裡面如果前面沒有對講它的獎金累積到下半年的時候我們會增開也就是事實上我們還是會把它增加主數 |
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讓線面 還是會增加組數我們會把那個沒有來對講的我們會發出去對 也會把它發出去的 是的那包括那個沒有歸戶的電子發票也是也是 因為它等於沒有來領嘛那沒有歸戶的部分我們希望加強說明那尤其是最近也出現一些就是說它沒有到我們那邊歸戶譬如說用那個電子那個所謂的郵箱的部分那個電子郵件的部分去歸戶 |
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那時增跟預算的差額 那個怎麼辦光這四年 從民國111年到113年我們時增跟預算 你預算這個營業稅這個部分差額 稅收的差額2800億 |
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10增我們多增了2800億光這2800億的3%的獎金就86億86億之多你看這個怎麼辦所以我剛剛就說我們就乾脆歸到一個戶頭裡面那就以實質收到的下去計算你看法 |
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那過去幾年有如果超過預算數的部分事實上都進到國庫裡面然後再按財化法的規定然後分配到地方政府都已經有一般稅款那現在我們的稅收的這3%的發票獎金 |
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是多少民眾大家引領期盼欸就每兩個月就這麼一個小確幸好玩嘛其實倒不是說領了幾千塊幾百塊幸運一點的有上百萬沒錯啊 |
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可是那些上百萬的就我們從報章雜誌看到新聞看到的這些大額的上百萬獎金的他們都未歸戶結果也是沒辦法領但是你剛剛這講得很好你說那財政部也君子沒有領的你就把它併到後面你有再下去計算也再次再行發放對獎就對了但是我剛剛跟你講的 |
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時增跟預算這個金額的差額光這四年啊稅收差了2800億的總差額那這2800億的3%就我跟你說的86億啊民眾少拿了86億的發票獎金簡單講就是這樣 |
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你研究看看好不好時間有限我第二個問題要跟你提到的就是希望說這個產生部回去好好的研擬一下也就是說我們從去年開始 |
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我們台灣已經進入超高齡社會了我們65歲以上的人口已經佔了總人口數的20%那去年更是我們新生兒子生大概10年前的一半才10萬位而已那像 |
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我這個年次那一個年次都大概36萬到38萬你們那個比較年輕啦你們單子也大概來到28萬30萬左右我這種年次三十幾萬一個年次所以這個事情很傷腦筋也有預估 |
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有預估人口專家預估就是說我們在2045年我們國家到2045年我們會跌破2000萬人口那到了2070年我們台灣大概剩下1500萬人口我為什麼跟你說這個呢我的意思就是說因為我們的稅收大部分我們著重在 |
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這個所得稅啦那因為人口短少勞動人口也減少啦所以這一部分我們的稅收很可能如果我們沒有趕快去預作準備的話這個部分到了某一個關節點我們會大幅的下滑 |
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所以我希望說我們財政部能夠針對人口急劇減少人口結構變遷的這個所導致的財政風險要下去做評估也就是說我們針對稅制結構我們去做中長期的模擬中長期模擬說大概到哪一年會怎麼樣到哪一年會怎樣這個部分我不曉得你們有沒有做 |
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謝謝委員的提示那對於這個人口的一個減少然後對於稅制整個的結構一定會有影響那目前財政部也已經委託在做一個研究對這個部分有委員做研究那什麼時候會有一個初步的研究的 |
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是今年會今年會有這個結果研究報告會出來我簡單講在我們社會大家普遍認為資本家靠資本所得地主們靠這個 |
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房屋房產閒置空屋空地所得這一些炒作土地所得等等這一些他們負擔整個社會應有的稅的部分他們負擔的過低我們都把整個國家社會需求所需要的稅收的負擔都是給了我們所有的勞動人口以這一些大家靠辛苦的勞動 |
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收入來去支付國家的需要其實這是非常不公平的所以如果我們勞動人口減少那所得稅這一部分的減少的話是不是我們應該加重資本所得比方說那加重這個空屋稅 閒置空屋這些一方面又可以讓屋盡其用可以有打房的作用 |
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二方面也才達到稅制的公平而且我們也才能實收的稅不至於短少過快 |
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好不好是是謝謝委員的指教這部分我希望你們委外研究的成果的時候你也複製我一聲讓我看一下這個研究的報告是怎麼樣好不好好好謝謝委員好謝謝王世堅委員部長請回OK好謝謝接下來請陳玉珍委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席 請這個關務署 關務署副署長有要工 請副署長 副署長蘇副署長 請來 |
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副部長你好金門從民國98年就規劃為免稅島這是行政院核定的金門中長期經濟發展的規劃然後用境內關外的方向 規劃方向三面二腿離島建設條例的第10條跟第10至1條裡頭有對於免稅島的一些規劃就在當地銷售這些相關的貨物 勞務 交付 |
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當地銷售並交付使用的貨物或當地提供制造物免徵營業稅嘛這個立法院條例有嘛已經很多年了87年到現在二三十年了那您看到那雖然從87年就開始免營業稅但是金門90%以上貨物都是從台灣進口從台灣進到金門來 |
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除了印費以外從台灣進口的貨物我說台灣就台灣島進口的貨物所課徵的5%的營業稅都直接轉嫁給消費者民眾反而享受不到免徵營業稅的優待 |
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我們有正式的發函詢問財政部的一些說法財政部上次以前回覆本席有說離島地區銷售適用零稅率恐會降低當地產業競爭力現在是免稅了我們因為業者我們這個地方的商會有提出來說是不是把它改成零稅率財政部有回覆本席說 |
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這個可能還有牽扯到複稅署 複稅署有說了兩個第一個是如果用零稅率會降低是用零稅率會降低當地的產業競爭力然後另外一個還可能會讓台灣島的營業人到離島去設立稅籍反而來套取零稅率的利益這個是複稅署回答的 |
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現在我們有一些突破點就是對促進離島產業發展的部分90%的金門的貨物都是從台灣進口營業稅改成零稅率事實上對在地的產業衝擊影響很小反而對90%從台灣進口到金門的商家可以享有進向免稅的優惠這樣才能實質的 |
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反映在當地的消費上這個我們已經提過很多次您之前有說有一些可能稅的一些損失但是事實上因為現在也是現在是免稅如果把它改成零稅率事實上衝擊這個稅損幾乎是沒有的或是很小的 |
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那所以那個副會主任的這個看法這已經講很多次了因為我們已經如果說你們再沒有具體的措施我們就自己來修這個離島建設條例這跟您講過很多次了報告委員您反應很厲害因為從我們課稅的角度來講中華民國當然包含金門跟馬祖這些離島 |
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所以在中華民國境內現在已經是免稅了現在就已經實施免營業稅了免營業稅只有在當地的當地的家族是免業稅的但是智商最基本的商家幫助就沒有因為所有東西都從台灣進來的但是我們鼓勵的是說所以淨香噴就沒有辦法免 |
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我跟委員報告例如我舉個例子我們要鼓勵民眾到金門消費金門住宿金門旅遊他如果是消費的是跟金門當地那貨物的部分呢但是貨物的話基本上如果在當地消費我給他免業稅對不對但是進來的時候那一段還是要收沒有那一段不用講就是說進來的時候進口到金門台灣進口到金門這段還是要收啊 |
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并没有减这个我们讨论很多次了因为我们加值税的概念就是它的加值来测税我的意思是说如果把免营业税改成零税率这个部分来讲那就等于在台湾加值也都免税了就是改成零税率因为这个细项我们讨论过很多次了把它改成零税率的话事实上对这个整个税损来讲也没有什么改变没有什么很大的影响你可以整个再算一下对整个你们整个负税署的整个国家这个税来讲 |
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根本沒有什麼很大的差別你是不是可以再具體算一下因為現在營業稅根據財政收支劃反修正之後其實大部分都是地方稅了那變成說去免了之後會變成其他的地方那好 那這樣子你就更不用擔心那就是我們自己來承擔這會變稅收分配的問題對 沒關係那就是說 |
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如果說這個你說到時候都會變成是地方的損失好不好它分配它會有不同的分配因為我們才華有修過以後那這個部分應該你們就要比較樂觀其成應該比較尊重當地的想法我們要遵守的是一定的因為這個稅損最後是地方政府地方的縣市政府來吸收那地方的產業的反應 |
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那這樣子這一塊如果我們修成這樣子你們應該就比較對中央根本沒什麼影響基門縣自己來吸收對當地的產業才有幫助因為退它不是從它是等於退本島的稅它不是退基門當地的稅 |
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原來的那個政策對金門就沒有實際幫助沒關係你再研究一下因為這個現在財化改變我可以再研究你再研究一下好嗎這個我跟你討論過很多次現在是把貶改成零稅率地方的產業覺得這樣子有幫助你研究一下來 下一個我們講那個 |
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離島自貿區民進黨都說這個會變成稀產地的破口那是關務署的事了請問現在的自貿港很多地方都有自貿港基隆 台北 蘇澳 桃園 台中 安平都有這監管單位是不是你們關務署 |
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報告委員是有關如果是貨物的一個監管所以自貿區這些都是你們在管的嗎是是嗎那如果金門設這個自貿區就是自貿港的話是不是你們就會在金門是不是就會變成息產地破口意思說你們財政部公務署在金門就不會把關是不是 |
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跟委員報告就是如果說這邊在離島有設置這個所謂的自貿區的話那當然主管機關如果已經有同意的話我們海關針對我們所負責的部分我們會配合研議照原來的標準去把關嘛對不對我們會配合來研議你們會特別放水嗎在金門地區依照我們的職責我們會配合研議相關的這個防災 |
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如果設立的話你們會對金門地區的進來的貨物特別放水讓他就可以隨便的去稀產地啊什麼隨便這樣亂進亂出海關還是會依照我們的職責你們還會遵守原來法令造牆執行那為什麼那所以我們提這個芝麻港這個怎麼會變成稀產地的破口 |
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你又不會對金門特別正一隻眼 閉一隻眼或是金門進來的貨物可以隨便的不經過海關的眼皮紙下就可以隨便放行那為什麼在金門社就會有這個問題那這個當然不是你回答的但是來 |
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這個我們立法經濟條例要修這個有關自貿區這個部分如果三讀通過我會想請您去評估一下如果我們這個條例三讀通過以後比照現在在各個自貿區所偵測的一些監管設備人力源的總共需要多少要多好設備要多多少人才可以讓你們達到完全監管的這個監管完全監管這個效果請您跟我們提出一個評估報告好嗎可以嗎人力啊物力啊到底需要多少先把這個地方管好嘛 |
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不要讓它變成稀產地的地方嘛你可以幫我們做一個評估嗎如果我們修正通過以後啦現在已經進步了如果修正通過以後你們應該要增加人力物力嘛需要多久時間可以評估出來需求我們盡量來評估啦但是因為現在也不確定說到底我跟你講我如果立法院就刪除通過你要做一點評估嘛 |
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是不是 因為你們可能就需要更多的人 更多的對不對 設備啊 是不要讓金門背上這種汙名啊海關要好好的執行啊 是吧可以 多久可以評估給我現在是1月 2月啦3月底前給我可以嗎2月有過年 放假3月底前給我 是付稅水也是一樣好不好那個免稅率的部分 一個月 |
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沒有 三月底前給我就好了二月過年嘛 三月嘛三月底嘛 可以喔好 那主計總署請時間等一下 主計請主計總署 蔡副主委長那兩位可以回座了這個副主計長 這個你們沒有依法行政 |
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這個財力分析表裡頭你們下面的標註是說各職教師會縣市政府的自有財源比率稅數以最近三個年度的決算審定數計算稅率以最近三個年度決算審定數加計財政收支方法修正透中央統籌分配稅款的影響數計算 |
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這個是明文規定的第四條補助辦法第四條110年8月29日也有規定說是用三年分歸五級每三年檢討一次自由財產比率是什麼意思這個都明文規定了如果按照你們辦法這三年來檢討一次的話就沒有所謂什麼財政收支方法修正後中央統籌分配稅款的影響數 |
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你們幹嘛推翻自己剛剛修訂的辦法然後任意加上這些什麼中央統籌分配稅款影響數你知道我在說什麼嗎你知道我在說什麼你們為什麼不依法行政任意的想把哪個縣市政府改成第幾級就第幾級我們金門縣本來第三級把我們改到第二級你們沒有依法行政主席單位最應該依法行政對不對 |
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為什麼報告陳委員那個條文去年8月給縣市條文後面有說明去年114年8月29號有修訂對不對 |
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那你們現在加計這個同收稅款的這個影響數就是把如果一級譬如像這種離島像離島這種地方比較窮的地方然後拿到突然拿到比較多的救濟這種稅款然後就拿來跟富人富人區像台北市這種地方相提並論然後變相處罰我們那讓高雄啊台南啊原來這個才導致高雄台南到第四五級進門台東變成一二級這樣有合理嗎 |
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這個是不合理的啊你們最近修訂這個分級是完全不合理啊沒有依法行政啊帶頭違法怎麼辦勒 |
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包委員 沒有違法啦沒有違法 沒有依法行政你的辦法修訂是這樣子嘛 對不對然後原來的規定也有啊是 那個辦法喔你可以 沒關係喔 因為我時間到了請你給我一個報告你告訴我說為什麼金門你這樣給我們亂改好的好的好嗎好 沒問題請提出書面報告 是是是 好嗎好 謝謝好謝謝陳醫生 曾委員的質詢 謝謝接下來我們請楊瓊英委員質詢 |
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要請部長請莊部長委員好部長好我們針對於統一發票這個給獎的辦法第16條裡頭規定統一發票中獎資獎金各項宣傳資料調查及稽查的這個費用 |
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檢舉之獎金統一發票發售及專責單位所需的經費由全年營業稅收入總額中提出3%以之因應對不對 |
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是的依照我们第16条的规定但是我们看到从110年到113年营业税10增数年都大幅的超过预算数财政部你都是以预算数的3%来编列奖金对于超增的部分并没有补题本期统计了4年累计 |
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超额高达86亿元为什么没有提呢请做说明我们是根据营业税法里面的规定也就是说它的统一发票给奖的经费是由全年营业税收入总额中 |
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提出3%那所謂全年營業稅收入那麼我們在編列這個要發獎金的經費的時候邊稅出預算那我們就用稅入預算裡面的營業稅的全國總全國營業稅總收入的預算案數的3%來編列 |
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這個是總預算數但是你實際上你是超徵你4年超徵了86億營業稅的收入有超過預算數也有比預算數來得少像114年到12月底我們的出租就少了200多億 |
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所以我們是用預算案數來編那麼你的實徵數事實上要到年底才知道然後如果你到年底才會知道所以我在編這個稅出預算的時候我並不知道沒有辦法掌握到真正的一個實徵數你不知道所以本席依照我們的法律的規定統一發票給獎辦法第16條規定就是你這一個年度你的這個營業稅額總稅額的這個 |
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3%嘛那你既然也知道到年底你就會知道有超徵多少那你要把它補啊你為什麼不補呢那不然你這個4年的86億那3%你拿去做什麼 |
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第一個收入增加以後當然是進公庫跟委員報告這個部分我們會按營業稅的收入會按財化法的規定撥歸地方政府撥歸地方政府那部分是歸中央那財化法修正以後扣掉3%的獎金1.5%的積增經費全部都到地方政府去了我沒有拿去做什麼我也不能拿去做什麼部長 |
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我们针对条文第16条来讨论嘛这个不是你播到哪里的问题嘛是法本身的精髓嘛所以本席要请教如果你以会计技巧来消化超增要不要检讨 |
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用会计技巧我们是依法行政除了您刚刚讲的办法之外在营业税法里面是这样规定它的经费是有全年营业税收入总额中3%来提利所以我在编税入跟税出的时候我就用这样一起编下去的这个不是说你编而是你在执行的时候你明明有超增这个本席认为违背了制度的原意 |
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所以部長本席具體建議你必須要將超徵的部分要補題這個對社會大眾的小確幸才不會抹掉了對不對依法十六條的精髓就是如此對不對 你要把它補足這個是人民的小確幸 |
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需要一個均衡那如果超過的要補足那減少的部分那我們要收回應該不可能我想委員也不希望是這樣那我覺得認為我們歷年來都是用這樣的一個在執行所以就是因為以往沒有超增所以就是因為以往沒有超增但是我們累積看了有這麼多的超增所以必須要去檢討超增的部分應該要補足你去檢討 好不好 |
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對不對接下來本席要請教我們現在1月13號公布的2025年總稅收是3.7515兆那比這個預算數是短增了505億 |
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那在这样的一个情况之下你主要我们看到是因为美国对等关税的冲击还有房市信用管制压制交易的这些因素那么所以但是我们在其中可以看到的正交税 |
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證交稅是因為股市創新高了 成交量放大然後你達到了全年是2928億 這個部分那也創歷史新高 也就是年增了48億那顯示在我們的整個結構裡頭這個仰賴在股市的表現 |
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是非常的重在你公布的2025年的這個部分所以財政穩定性它是不是足夠穩定在這樣子的一個樣態裡頭所以請教部長2025年首度的短徵同時在稅收方面集中在證交稅的這個樣態那麼你們認為這個有沒有稅收的一個結構風險請做說明 |
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跟委員報告在我們的稅收裡面正交稅其實佔的比例並不高他大概只有2000多億那佔的最大宗的是營所稅跟中所稅是最大的一個大宗雖然您看到的是數字有短生那至於114年的稅收我們根據到 |
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12月底初估是短收全國短收5051但是在1月1號到15號還有個整理期會入帳所以我們會認為在全國數的部分今年會短收大概200億上下還是短收啊達成預算數的99.4%達成99.4%那也跟委員報告在中央的部分我們大概達成率如果加上整理期的話可以達到98.9% |
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那差距數大概是300億上下那也跟委員報告這其中因為有美國對等關稅我們有實施所謂的延分期所以大概有500多億本來應該是要在114年收起的但是因為讓我們的所謂的營業人受到衝擊的他可以申請延分期大概有500多億會延後到114年以後收入所以主要是這個原因如果沒有這個原因其實今年是跟我們的預算數幾乎是齊平 |
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所以對於美國對等關稅的一個衝擊也就是本期非常的重視我們必須務必顧我們的產業這是非常的重要一定要去均衡我們整個稅收的向下 對不對好 謝謝好 謝謝楊瓊瑩委員 謝謝接下來請謝伊鳳委員質詢 |
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好 謝謝主席我想要請莊部長好 請莊部長快下課了 大家要備心一帶不要太興奮好 謝謝莊部長我想就 |
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明年度的稅收大家都會有疑慮會不會受到影響有短徵的這樣子的情況那對於明年的景氣以及我們的稅負的這個預估你們是如何的 |
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委員我們115年115年的稅客收入的一個還有我們的稅務的預算數大院到目前並沒有審查所以並沒有所謂的預算數沒有預算數所以並沒有審查那至於明年的一個經濟成長那祖宗已經初估的是3.54%115年3.54%但是可以看出來 |
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因為我們對等關稅的一個談判結果把不確定性降低而且跟我們競爭的對手國裡面我們都佔了齊平甚至比他們更好所以你認為明年的稅收不會低於今年您講116年還是115年 |
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115年115年這個部分我們當然我們目前來說還沒有我們在估的時候我們在估的時間的時候對等關稅的談判並沒有確定所以我們是以當時的那個情況來估那那個整個預算案數還在大院這邊還沒有審議 |
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所以你不要而且再還有一點就是說因為才化法的修正所以這個部分中央要撥到地方要比114年增加4400多億這樣的經費那所以中央的稅收一定會比114年來的低還有 |
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當然我們知道對等關稅簽訂最重要的前提就是赴美投資嘛 對不對那赴美投資台積電如果到美國設廠我想請問他未來稅是繳在美國還是繳在台灣如果他當然就涉及到他是用什麼樣子的方式他在美國設廠是分公司還是子公司 |
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那如果已分公司的時候他是怎麼樣繳稅是繳在美國還是繳在台灣他目前來說美國的話他是如果子公司的話他是屬於美國居住者他就根據美國的稅法來課稅但是他子公司的營業的利潤會如果會課回到回饋到他的母公司的話那就到母公司這邊來再繳繳那個所謂的營利事業所得稅 |
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那分公司的話呢分公司回歸併寄到我們的如果分公司他是不是到美國繳納以後他還要折抵扣抵台灣的相關的是不是可以是的我想這個部分是不是聽署長來說明一下好不好 |
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報告委員如果他在美國設立的是分公司的話在當地分公司的營運在當地是要繳稅然後他同時要併計我們台灣的索德萊克稅當然他在美國繳稅是可以拿來扣抵的就是拿回來台灣扣抵是不是扣抵台灣繳稅但一般我們現在跨境投資當中都用子公司的形態去進行因為他法律關係跟責任要去做切割 |
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所以他可能就會用子公司的方式去進行所以如果去用子公司的情況他就是在美國繳完稅然後他回台灣就是他的盈餘然後回到台灣才在台灣繳稅是不是相關這樣子那員工呢 |
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員工的話如果他是派到美國去直接在美國工作那他的所得就是美國來源所得他也要在當地繳稅這是國際上的一個慣例就是說你所得從哪邊來就要在當地繳稅所以他員工如果派到美國廠去當地工作他在美國繳稅 |
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那如果是來來回回呢來來回回要看他是受雇在哪裡就是說看他受雇在台灣然後如果去美國協助相關的如果他受雇在台灣是要在台灣繳稅的那他派到美國去是屬於他在美國的對不起台灣的公司派他去為美國的子公司服務他如果是美國的公司 |
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他如果是設在美國的公司裡面認定成美國的公司的員工子公司的員工那他當然就是在美國繳稅是不是那如果他認定是台灣公司的員工那應該是在台灣繳稅嘛是不是應該在台灣那這還涉及到一個部分就是台美租稅協定怎麼樣子什麼時候會簽訂那雙重課稅的部分勒 |
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跟委員報告台美的租稅協定ADTA目前在參院眾院已經通過目前在參議院那不管是美國的企業或是我們台灣的企業以及人民都希望能夠盡速的通過然後能夠簽訂避免雙重課稅 |
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那我们也希望尽快那我想从媒体也看到昨天美台商会去拜会行政院然后美台商会昨天也拜会财政部我们都对这个议题提出来那他们也表达美国这个部分也在积极的推进那我们都希望能够尽快的可以签署 |
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那所以沒有確定的日期因為涉及在美國的國會在參院所以只要通過了就是美國國會參院通過以後那川普總統簽署以後那我們雙方美國跟台灣我們會交換一個國際文書那雙方進行國內的生效完成以後就可以實施了好謝謝謝謝好謝謝謝伊鳳委員 |
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接下來請葉元芝委員葉元芝委員葉元芝委員不在請蔡易瑜委員質詢好謝謝主席那我們是不是有請財政部以及稅務部長還有宋署長委員好 |
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部長 因為台灣現在已經都步入了高齡化的一個社會基本上所以有很多老人家他在做他老年生活的一些財產規劃的時候 |
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他们会去思考一件就是用所谓的安养信托那这安养信托我们看到从109年的时候大概是有3万多人到了113年已经增加到了19万5千人那信托的财产也从435亿已经增加到了1579亿 |
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那所謂安養信託又有所謂兩種一個是以防養老一個是留防養老也就是一個是用先去做銀行的抵押貸款貸款出來把它信託那或者是直接房子信託給第三方單位然後讓第三方單位來執行然後再把 |
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这个执行的收益给受益者也就是这一个长辈让他做他生活上的一些费用那基本上这个两个方向很好但是我们最近也注意到了一些一些新闻就是说基本上 |
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我們看到說如果是自然人自然人我如果是出租不動產的話我就沒有必要再繳5%的營業稅因為我自然人我出租不動產我就是所得稅所以它就是所得稅的概念但是在於我剛剛講的信託業者我們信託給信託業者的時候因為他是一個營業法人信託的是一個營業法人 |
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所以這一個姓坡的人他必須先扣5%的營業稅這是第一個第二個就是說他們除了營業稅以外他們在認定所得稅的時候如果是一般的出租把它出租給別人的話他有一個可以認列43%是他的必要開銷57%的部分才是他的一個淨所得但是在 |
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在他選擇用信託的時候卻是百分之百他那一筆收益都必須要實質課稅所以這變得說讓很多人在選擇信託的時候他反而這中間被課的稅比他直接把他不動產 |
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出租給別人是相對還要比較負擔比較多的一個稅這個我認為不公平第二個 站在現在我們很擔心老人家他的財產被詐騙所以他選擇信託相對是安全的如果在這樣的考量之下這個稅賦上是不是有調整的空間讓他們選擇信託跟選擇出租可以讓他的稅率可以趨於一致 |
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这个部分涉及到激增的事务是不是请署长来跟委员说明好 请署长回应 |
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報告委員委員提到的是屬於信託存續當中如果他房子出租的時候要繳營業稅的問題那基本上因為我們講的這個受託因為他是營業人那根據營業稅法規定你就是屬於營業行為那就是要課營業稅但他這個營業稅如果他沒有拿去扣抵或什麼他是可以當作信託財產收入的減相所以他的那個要課稅的所得就會變少這是第一點 |
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第二點就是說如果受託人他去出租財產因為依照稅法規定他是要設帳跟保存憑證所以他的收入是可以減掉實際的成本費用通常如果實際成本費用可能算出來結果會超過委員剛才所講自然人所使用的43%的費用率的時候他反而是有利的所以這實際上要看他個案到底他的成本費用的狀況是怎麼樣 |
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对那个是在设定费用的时候但是我要强调的就是说虽然他是一个他是营业法人所以他去出租给别人要负担这笔营业费对不对要负担这笔营业费但是终究他整个的信托利益是要回到这一个信托人 |
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那信托人就因为被扣了这5%他相对他未来领到的意义也是会少了这一段所以我是意思是说在这个精算的结果之下实际上我去选择信托的反而会因为这中间的税负负担然后让他得到的利益比他实际出租还要少 |
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有这样的一个状况我了解委员的意思但是实际上到底他自己管理那个财产还是信托给受托人去管理财产哪一边的利益会比较大是要看他实际的状况其实不见得实际状况有很多不见得但是在课税上是有一点是数学问题 |
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对 就像我刚刚在数学问题上看起来他是相对拿到的反而比较少我鼓励他去做信托的这个选择结果他拿到的收益反而少 |
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这是某些假设的情况之下会出现像委员的状况对 就是在我刚刚设定的一个命题上他会有这样的状况我觉得你们回去研究一下因为我们最终还是希望说我这个老人家我把财产拿出来信托那我可以收到的利益是相对是可以比较好一点让他可以有更有右运去选择好不好那我是不是再有请这一个国产署曾署长请曾署长 |
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委員好署長是署長事實上你也知道事實上有很多國有土地它可能涉及到在過去的時候他們就是上面已經有建物而且它很多是82721之前的話我們就會把它視為說它是一個寄存的一個事實那我們當然就讓它可以繼續使用 |
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但是事實上署長處理過很多城市案件都是在他有沒有82年之前有這個爭議有一些爭議他可能說他憑證不存在他沒有辦法去具體舉證然後就面臨到了說他可能要必須要拆屋還地國產署這個狀況是很多你們也面對監察院的壓力這個我都懂但是我要跟署長說我還是有遇到一些個案 |
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他那間房子的所有人就是一個老人家就是一個老人家他一旦這個房子被拆屋還地了他沒有地方住那甚至有的是一堆阿嬤他不敢讓他沒錢他怕讓他沒錢他要面對接下來的訴訟跟拆屋還地的話他怕他身體在生病他怕他身體會受不了 |
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所以我是覺得說能不能說我們在面對因為如果我們認為說他是有違法的使用你們事實上還是有收相當於使用補償金還是有在收這筆錢那如果他確實就是一個老人已經他只是在那裡就唯一住的一個地方你們在選擇訴訟或最後強制執行的時候是不是能夠有更多的這個 |
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法理情裡面還是有這個情在啦我遇到的有些狀況真的我也很難過啊因為我知道說站在法律面他沒辦法舉證他是82年前舊有的房子那他當然要面對訴訟要面對這些但是他就把那好大而已啊 |
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這樣子我簡單回答委員第一個如果真的確實有這個問題的話只要他主張氏族的居住權因為這是國際公約台灣也有簽氏族的居住權也就是說他跟他的直系親屬沒有其他可以居住的地點的話我們可以就不執行相關的債務繁地第二個當然如果 |
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有一些比較特殊的情況之下那也不是社會大眾所關注的部分那這個部分我覺得我們可以考量署長我跟你說一個很殘酷的事實像我接觸到的委員個案的問題我有跟他對我沒有要講個案但是所以我沒有要具體是說但是你也知道台灣人有一個習性女孩子嫁出去算人家的女孩子有財產 |
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有沒有 女孩子有不懂善 有錯那一個他就沒辦法去主張說他是沒有地方可以安置的 |
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還有很多跟民間的許署規定都綜合在一起看我們會覺得不敢進戶在執行這些事情的時候如果再多一點人性的考量上我們還是有持續收使用補償費 |
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委員這個部分我們可以來跟審計監察單位再溝通一下因為說實在的國財署也不太願意拆家的房子我知道你們基層的人也都很痛苦這個我都知道但是他們最後跟我的答案就是我們有面對監察院的壓力沒有錯因為我們如果不執行的話所以我在在你們拜託的時候我也很辛苦我知道你們也是面對壓力但是我覺得很多狀況 |
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我想透過這個質詢也讓大家知道你也知道我的質詢拿去給檢察院看真的有很多 我覺得真的很多人我請我同事研究一下對於這一種有一些要拆屋還地的部分能不能有一些特殊的狀況之下可以暫緩因為說實在有的老人家你要叫他搬一個地方 |
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14020.712 |
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看断罐石 他就在那边对吗叫他拔去 他不见得去的时候搞不好就郁郁寡欢或甚至身体就会出现问题其实我们也会用同理心我在跟同仁这边我们在研究在审计监察单位可以接受或法律上面可以有一些授权的时候我们来做一些调整 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
14021.112 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
14032.056 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
我想委員這個為民眾發聲我們了解你今天這個答覆我聽了很感動 大家謝謝感謝謝謝委員謝謝蔡英文委員也謝謝我想我先做一下宣告因為剛才我們好幾位委員對於這個 |
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14047.528 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
14072.744 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
營業稅法58條有相關的一個看法所以我先做一下宣告請財政部就加值型及非加值型營業稅法第58條因以預算數或是時增數為計算基準所涉及之影響及修法評估在3月底前提出書面報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
14073.844 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
14077.846 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
給我們財政委員會及各委員來參考有沒有問題就研擬一下相關的一個修法的一個評估以及他所涉及的影響好謝謝我們今日登記發言的委員均已詢答完畢本次會議做如下決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
14098.428 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
14122.308 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
報告局選答完畢委員質詢未及答覆或請求補充資訊請財政部於一週內以書面答覆委員另要求期限者從其鎖定本次會議議程已進行完畢堂友不在場委員補題書面質詢一併列入紀錄刊登公報並請議事人員協助處理本次會議議事錄授權召委核定我們開會就到這裡散會謝謝大家 |