| IVOD_ID |
17222 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17222 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-26T08:34:25+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-26T12:29:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:54:35 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/b41997f390c3528e94b21ee1cfbfcecfe3cc4e811505fed9e692bdb9a1e479776f1b6fd58a27dfe45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲、金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆、中央銀行楊總裁金龍、經濟部龔部長明鑫、農業部陳部長駿季、國家發展委員會葉主任委員俊顯就「針對台美關稅貿易協議內容，對國家整體財經、國內產業與就業、股匯市場與各項民生通膨之影響與因應策略」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:34:25 - 12:29:00 |
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好我們現在開始開會請主任秘書報告出席委員人數報告委員會出席委員已出法定人數請議事人員宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第四會期財政委員會第十七次全體委員會議議事錄時間中華民國一百一十五年一月七日星期三九時至十二時四十八分地點群雄樓九樓大禮堂出席委員林德福委員等十四人列席委員黃國昌委員等十人 |
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列席官員金融監督管理委員會主任委員彭金榮暨其所屬單位代表財政部莊部長翠雲國家發展委員會副主任委員高仙貴暨其各單位所屬代表主席李昭吉委員昆城報告事項一 宣讀上次會議議事錄決定議事錄確定二 邀請金融監督管理委員會主任委員彭金榮財政部長莊翠雲國家發展委員會副主任委員 |
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就如何引導國內資金擴大參與公共建設及策略性產業進行專題報告並被質詢經經管會彭主委財政部莊部長國發會高副主委分別提出報告後紀委員林德福等18人提出質詢經經管會彭主委財政部莊部長台灣證券交易所董事長林修明國發會高副主委 |
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請問在場委員對我們會議議事錄有沒有意義沒有意義 我們議事錄確定 |
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我們今天先介紹我們今天與會的在場委員在場的好那現在請議事人員先宣讀今日議程 |
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邀請行政院主計總署陳主計長淑芝財政部莊部長翠雲金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金龍中央銀行楊總裁金龍經濟部拱部長明星農業部陳部長俊記國家發展委員會業主任委員俊賢 |
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針對台美關稅貿易協議內容對國家整體財經國內產業與就業股會市場與各項民生通膨制影響與因應策略進行專題報告並被質詢 宣讀來畢好 我們現在先介紹我們在場委員我們先介紹吳秉瑞委員好 |
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還有王世堅委員正在接受採訪我們今天參與的我們的各部會首長行政院經貿談判辦公室執行秘書徐崇清徐秘書 歡迎行政院主計總處主計長陳淑芝綜合統計處蔡玉泰蔡處長 |
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財政部莊翠媛部長國庫署陳柏成署長賦稅署宋秀玲署長官務署彭英偉署長國產署曾國基署長財政資訊中心張文希主任經管會彭金龍主委 |
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1947.784 |
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銀行局童振章局長政企局高金平局長保險局王立慧局長檢察局賴新國局長台灣證券交易所股份有限公司林修銘董事長總經理李愛玲 |
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1951.561 |
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財團法人 中華民國政見櫃台買賣中心簡立中 簡董事長總經理 陳立青中央銀行 楊金龍總裁歡迎楊總裁業務局 謝鳳英局長外匯局 蔡炯明局長 |
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1981.191 |
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經濟研究處草體人處長 歡迎經濟部產業發展署副署長陳國軒政務次長何進昌 何次長抱歉 次長 謝謝國際貿易署主任秘書黃敬軒 黃祖密中小及企業創新署李冠志署長 |
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能源署陳崇憲陳副署長產業園區管理局曾淑芬副局長投資審議師蘇琦燕代理師長國營事業管理師黃旭輝專門委員投資促進師林素玲專門委員 |
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農業部綜合規劃師蔡巧蓮市長常務市長杜文珍 杜市長 歡迎 謝謝國際事務司的副市長溫祖康 溫副市長畜牧師的檢任繼政周文林農糧署黃兆興 黃副署長漁業署林鼎榮林副署長 |
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農經署施尼廷 施副署長動植物防疫檢查署林志憲 主任秘書國發會副主任委員高仙貴 高副主委經濟發展處陳美菊 處長產業發展處蕭振榮 處長 |
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行政院國家發展基金管理會汪廷安執行秘書 歡迎財團法人中小企業信用保證基金魏銘古魏董事長補充介紹在場委員 林德福林委員陳玉珍陳委員 |
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我們今日議程安排邀請行政院主席總署陳主席長淑芝財政部莊翠雲部長金管會彭金龍主委中央銀行楊金龍總裁經濟部龔明星國務長出國請假農業部陳俊濟部長也請假國家發展委員會葉主任委員俊賢 |
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也請假了我們針對台美關稅貿易協議內容對國家整體財經國內產業與就業股會市場與各項民生通膨脹影響與因應策略進行專題報告那我們現在我們請金管會彭主委進行專題報告請檢要說明 |
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主席 各位委員 各位媒體先進 大家早安陳規委員會邀請金管會就針對台美關稅貿易協議內容對國家整體財經 國內產業及就業 股匯市及與各項民生通膨之影響與因應策略提出報告緊究國內股市之影響因應策略報告 敬請指教 |
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114年前年台股加權股價指數上漲25.74%台股漲幅介於國際主要股市之間表現相對持穩台美關稅協議於美東時間1月15日完成總結會議協議公布後短期內台股大盤指數漲幅2.64%成交量日均較公布前成長6.67%另外至於該協議公布後短期內持續買超台股 |
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协议公开后半导体等电子产业对股相关成交比重仍维持核心地位协议确立15%对等关税且不叠加争取到半导体其衍生之最优惠待遇使台厂在国际竞争中处于公平基准有效排除出口成本劣势有助于降低上市会公司营收之不确定性有助市场朝正面发展 |
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股市短期雖易受國內外金融情勢變化影響,為長期仍將回歸基本面。我國上市櫃公司114年12月底累積營收合計新台幣49.57兆元,較去年同期增加13.78%。 |
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為歷年同期最高產業具有因應外在環境變化之競爭力及韌性金管會已請證交手機櫃買中心持續注意美國關稅措施情形上市櫃公司財務業務發生重大情勢時應督促依規定及時公開相關訊息並鼓勵舉辦法人說明會充分揭露市場資訊令金管會尊重證券市場運作機制以保障投資人權益及維護整體市場正常運作 |
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未來金管會將密切持續關注台美關稅貿易協議對國內股市及產業的影響並適時採取相關措施以維護金融市場之健全發展與穩定以及對產業的支持以上報告 敬請指教好 謝謝彭主委那現在請財政部莊部長 |
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主席 各位委員先進 大家好今日貴委員會邀集相關部會就這個議題做專題報告那請就涉本部業務部分簡要說明首先就台美貿易概況做一個報告 |
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美国是我国第114年第一大的出口国也是第四大的进口国那么我国在114年从美国进口是481.6亿美元占进口总值的10%其中农产品占9%品项主要是以大豆玉米及牛肉为主而工业产品 |
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佔了91%是以CPU以及半導體製造設備零件為主那麼我國114年對美國的出口值是1982.7億美元佔出口總值的39.9%其中農產品佔0.4%那麼主要是以調製食品為主那麼另外工業產品則佔了99.6%是以AI伺服器還有IZ以及 |
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記憶體等知通視聽產品及電子零組件的貨品為主那麼本部因應美國關稅財政關稅的政策我們所提供的財政的支持措施包含金融支持也就是在本部督導我們輸出入銀行辦理貿易融資利息的減收措施有29家銀行 |
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包括了我們的輸贏總共超過有3100個營業據點提供各地區廠商申辦便利及即時的資金協助那麼總經費是120億元提供一般企業的年利率減碼一個百分點而每家廠商減收利息最高是100萬中小企業年利率減碼是1.5%個 |
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1.5那么每家厂商减收利息最高是120万那么从114年的8月7号开办以来到今年的1月16号已经实质协助了2940家的厂商利息减收达到23.9亿 |
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那么其中中小企业占了84.9%另外也就是对于输出入银行的对于相关的出口厂商提供输出保险费用的减免总经费是20亿元那么对于新增性的费用还有输出保险费用减免最低是以一折来继收减轻厂商的财务负担并且鼓励厂商开发新客户以及新市场 |
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那么执行以来也已经协助了261家厂商减免的件数达到6459件金额有5700万另外我们的公股银行也对于受美国关税对等关税冲击的企业以从优从速从宽的原则执行相关的资金宽缓的措施包括提供还缴本息及展延借款的借助以减轻企业的资金压力 |
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在租稅的部分我們根據提供租稅優惠來支持產業的轉型升級包括產創條例裡面對於產業在研發創新促進智慧轉型以及協助新創發展三個面向都提供研發支出投資等多項的優惠措施來協助企業升級轉型另外 |
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也提供租稅的協助措施包含免加利息的延期跟分期繳稅還有退還營業稅的預付稅額以及展延沖退稅的期限 |
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2530.376 |
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2536.16 |
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此外我們海關對於1105家的保稅業者採取按月匯報免足衣裝複減負這個裝箱單來降低業者的成本那麼海關也對於保稅業者透過保稅智慧服務平台擴大實施遠端集合來減輕業者的法尊成本 |
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另外報告國安基金的情況那麼前為因應美國對等關稅的衝擊國安基金在一百一四年的四月八號經過委員會決議進場那麼執行安定市場的任務後在一百一十五年的一月十二號委員會討論後獲知共識以 |
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考量股市交易活絡有序已經沒有國安基金設置及管理條例第八條規定的情形因此決議停止執行安定市場的任務後續國安基金仍然會密切的關注國內外政經情勢變動的情形必要的時候召開會議討論是否授權執行安定市場的任務最後目前台美正就台美對等貿易協定 |
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2605.812 |
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進行最後的檢視那麼一旦簽署完成將依法送交大院審議本部除了持續配合相關產業主管機關的需求提供相關資料以利其評估產業的影響並將事情事事實採取相關的因應措施促進國內經濟的穩健發展 以上報告 謝謝好 謝謝莊部長接下來我們請中央銀行楊總裁 |
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2640.119 |
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2663.867 |
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主席 各位委員 各位女士先生今天呈邀前來貴委員會的報告針對台美關稅貿易協定內容對國家整體財經國內產業與就業 股會市場與各項民生通膨值影響與因應策略 自感榮幸以下請就本行業務相關部分提出報告 敬請會事指教 |
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美國川普總統在2025年4月初宣布針對貿易對手加徵對等關稅事後與主要貿易對手協商要求其貿易對手國降低美國進口商品關稅並擴大對美投資令美國川普總統提及八項非關稅壁壘其中包含匯率議題 |
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前述非關稅壁壘之匯率議題 系由本行負責與美國財政部單獨進行多次磋商並於上年11月14日發布《台美匯率議題聯合聲明》系據日本、瑞士、南韓、泰國、馬來西亞或第六個與美國財政部發布匯率議題聯合聲明國家 |
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第二页有关台美关税贸易协议内容对台币汇率资因应以因应策略第三页卦五二台美关税贸易协议对新台币汇率资影响本次台美关税贸易协议要求台湾对美直接投资两千五百亿美元或将提高国内厂商对美元资需求为综合本 |
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2760.488 |
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本报告所提四个因素来研判该协议对新台币汇率之影响仍在可控的范围第四页其次要跟各位委员报告本行有能力来维持新台币汇率双向的动态稳定第五页是 |
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2768.587 |
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川普總統宣布對等關稅迄今新來幣兌美元匯率升幅居中長期以來新來幣兌美元匯率及波動弧度相對穩定 |
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2775.345 |
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2791.227 |
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第七页 至于台美关税贸易协议内容对各项民生通膨之影响方面第一 国内无输入性通膨压力 台湾通膨力维持缓步回降阻止 过后台湾通膨展望温和 |
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2792.507 |
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2811.195 |
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第八頁掛五三假設未來我國調降美國商品如汽車農產品等進口關稅國內廠商進口成本下降若消費端相關產品價格反應調降將有助國內物價的穩定結餘本行將持續關注台美關稅貿易協議或後續發展 |
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及其對國內通膨情勢及新台幣匯率的影響若有新台幣匯率過度波動而不利經濟金融穩定之餘時本行將本於職責維持外匯市場秩序此外將依據國內經濟金融情勢之變化適時調整貨幣政策以落實本行維持物價穩定與金融穩定並協助經濟成長之法定職責以上報告敬請各位委員會事指教謝謝 |
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2845.632 |
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2848.52 |
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好 我們謝謝楊總裁接下來請經濟部何次長 |
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2858.872 |
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2882.3 |
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主席各位委員大家好今天承蒙貴委員會的邀請就針對台美關稅貿易協議內容對國家整體財經國內產業與就業及股匯市場還有各項民生通膨的影響與運營策略進行報告敬請各位委員不吝指教台美雙方透過協商在今年的1月16號達成包括台灣對等關稅調降為15%且不疊加 |
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2888.862 |
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2914.795 |
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MFN半導體及半導體衍生品等232關稅取得最優惠的待遇擴大供應鏈投資合作深化台美AI戰略夥伴關係等多項目標台灣適用的對等關稅已經由去年的4月份實施32%疊加MFN調降為15%且不疊加MFN經過本部委託智庫的研究對出口 |
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2919.688 |
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美國的金額從-7.5%至-5.75%變為正的0.04%至0.08%產業產值從-1.4%至-1.3%變成正的0.01%至0.02%GDP的影響從-0.78%至-0.3%變成0至0.01% |
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2942.472 |
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2971.371 |
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工業就業人數影響從負三點六萬人變成正兩百零六人至三百二十九人這一次台灣爭取到百分之十五的對等關稅不疊加替我國的傳統產業營造更有利的競爭環境過去台美間因為沒有簽訂貿易協定所以我國的工業產品出口美國的關稅稅率相較於日本韓國為高現在因為台美簽訂了百分之十五的對等關稅且不疊加的稅率表面上與日韓 |
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2972.792 |
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2994.943 |
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但实际上相对于过往出口的高关税我国业者反而获得相对的优势此外在高科技产业的部分我国也成为全球第一个争取到半导体半导体衍生品关税最优惠待遇的国家同时美方也承诺对台湾企业赴美设厂所需要的设备原物料与零组件给予关税的豁免 |
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3007.757 |
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根據本部推估5奈米以下半導體的先進製程2030年時台灣與美國的產能大概是85%對15%而2036年的時候大概是80%對20%顯示未來 |
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台灣是全世界半導體及AI生產國美國則為全球最重要的AI應用中心兩國將形成策略性夥伴關係未來我國將以台灣模式推動對美投資此模式是在充分與國內高科技 |
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3029.108 |
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3038.732 |
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產業溝通後提出來我國高科技產業投資美國不是移轉而是供應鏈的延伸和擴展創造台美產業經貿雙贏的局勢台美產業長期互補未來美國企業也將加強對我五大信賴產業及生技產業進行投資營造台美雙贏的趨勢 |
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3072.887 |
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為及時協助產業因應美國關稅的衝擊行政院在去年9月11號已經通過因應國際情勢強化經濟任性特別預算其中經濟部編列460億元辦理外銷貸款優惠保證加碼中小為企業的發源振興貸款加碼研發轉型補助及爭取海外訂單等支持產業的四大措施此外本部也組成產業競爭力服務團 |
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3074.308 |
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3095.444 |
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以业者的需求提供现场诊断服务也提供AI数位转型金融支持市场拓展等资源补助导入AI工具的应用并搭配人才培训让各产业提升营运效率与竞争力目前台美双方谈判的结果对我国产业影响相较于去年4月初已有明显减缓 |
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3096.124 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
3115.733 |
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後續為協助產業因應國際局勢經濟部將持續運用韌性特別預算協助產業升級及拓展海外市場以上報告敬請各位委員指正視角謝謝好 謝謝何市長接下來請農業部杜文珍杜文珍 杜市長講一下 講一下 |
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3124.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
3143.737 |
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主席 各位委員 各位與會先進女士先生本人很榮幸代表農業部列席財政委員會就指定的議題做專案報告以價拯救農業部的部分簡要說明如此第一個 美國是我們的農業貿易重要夥伴國家台灣是美國的第八大海外市場 |
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3167.686 |
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每年台灣從去年台灣從美國進口的農產品產值大概是43.4億美元那主要進口產品是黃豆玉米小麥跟牛肉那美國也是台灣最重要的農產品出口國家是我國第一大海外市場去年台灣輸美農產品大概有8億美元那主要的產品是花卉水產等 |
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3187.675 |
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所以美國對台灣的農產品享有貿易順差35.4億美元台美在農產品是具有互補性的那在對等關稅從去年4月的32%的個別關稅到8月的20%的暫時性關稅一直到今年1月發布的15%關稅且不疊加這對我國農產品的出口確實在 |
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3209.505 |
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農糧安全的部分以及對我出口的競爭力確實有極大的注意那以下僅就三個部分來說說明第一個因為美國是台灣農產品的最大市場所以從關稅的15%不疊加對主要的幾個出口的農產品 |
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3225.059 |
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比方說台灣的蝴蝶蘭 毛豆 吳郭魚 鱸魚 鬼頭刀這個比例因為是出口占比比較大所以影響比較大那以蝴蝶蘭來說對等關稅加上到15%以在跟我們在美國一樣是競爭對手的荷蘭 |
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3225.74 |
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3243.539 |
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来讲荷兰也是15%与我们相当那至于像加拿大也是主要的竞争对手加拿大的关税是35%那这个我国的15%且不叠加的状况是与主要的竞争伙伴相同而且有优于其他的竞争伙伴在毛豆来讲 |
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3244.46 |
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在美國市場與我們競爭最多的其實是中國那中國現在的關稅是47%相較於我國的15%為高所以我想在美國需求應該會轉向於台灣對我們台灣毛豆輸往美國確實是有利的所以在15%關稅不疊加的狀況之下對台灣農產品輸往美國其實是把這個我們跟其他對手國的 |
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3269.688 |
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3294.119 |
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關稅是相當或者是差距的拉近或甚至更優這對我國農產品的出口確實是有極大的幫助即使是這樣我想農業是台灣的根本所以農業部對農戶的支持大概有三個面向一個是金融支持一個是提升產業競爭力一個是開拓多元的市場不管是在金融的支持強化能源體系或是加值 |
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3295.419 |
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3321.39 |
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值得轉型或者是取得驗證標章擴大國內外及行銷的部分我想農業部都會持續來做所以農業發展其實是與國家的安定糧食安全息息相關本部將會持續強化我國農漁畜產業的韌性協助提升產業的競爭力開拓多元市場並維護農漁民權益那對於美方關切的議題我們還是會持續地妥善因應以維持國家利益支持產業發展 |
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3322.17 |
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3331.113 |
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特別是支持國內的消費以及糧食安全經濟國家的整體競爭力農業部會持續與農民站在一起以上報告 謝謝好 謝謝市長接下來我們最後請國發會高副主委 |
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3349.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
3370.935 |
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主席 各位委員 新晉 大家好今天陳孟貴委員邀請本會列席本會請就業管部分提出說明請各位委員不吝指教首先說明對台灣產業跟總體經濟的影響台美關稅談判抵定後其實我們目前占我國總出口大概74%的適用232條款的半導體跟半導體的衍生品的關稅 |
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3376.178 |
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3388.506 |
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我們爭取到關稅最優惠的待遇還有零關稅的配額至於在對等關稅方面包括國內的工具機、機械產品還有一些手工具等我們目前降為15%不結加MFN |
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3391.488 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
3403.212 |
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所以我們將與日韓等主要競爭對手國相同居於平等地位同時也拉大了對中國、越南、墨西哥等競爭對手國的競爭優勢所以其實關稅對GDP的影響其實由原來負的0.78%到負的0.3%轉變為0到0.01% |
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3415.255 |
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3420.617 |
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至於中長期的動態觀點來說這次在台美談判中間政府以台灣模式支持產業自主投資有助於台灣產業的延伸企業的全球佈局將更精準地對整中端市場擴大產值提升企業獲利 |
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3434.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
3441.002 |
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稅收成長同時也可以帶動國內的投資而且美方已經承諾將建立雙向的投資機制並擴大投資我國的五大信貸產業因此我們可以覺得我們可以發揮台美貿易夥伴的關係有助於企業對外實力的延伸鞏固台灣在半導體的競爭優勢有利於經濟的穩定成長 |
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3462.308 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
3472.797 |
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所以近期國際的投資機構紛紛要上調台灣今年的經濟成長預測包括新野瑞銀、星展等金融機構多分別上升到4.4到4.8以多軍教主計總數的3.54為高 |
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3477.721 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
3484.443 |
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事實上面臨全球的地緣政治風險以及全球供應鏈逐步邁入第二波的重組跟移轉政府將有三個面向來強化台灣的產業競爭優勢協助傳統產業的轉型升級以及推動全球的多元佈局來鞏固台灣的競爭優勢在強化台灣競爭優勢裡面政府將從影資纜財跟擴建設三管旗下 |
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3506.83 |
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3534.044 |
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協助企業深耕台灣同時我們也推動AI新十大還有五大新代產業來鞏固台灣在半導體還有這些航太無人機等的新興產業的競爭優勢第二個我們要在運用應應國際情勢強化經濟社會的特別預算還有鍾曉微的多元振興方案以及AI新十大建設我們希望協助石化跟工具機產業 |
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3535.405 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
3546.195 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
還有機密機械切入半導體跟AI伺服器的供應業同時成為航太、安控及無人載具製造的一環同時也打造傳統產業成為隱形的冠軍讓國內的各個產業都可以享受AI紅利讓產業的發展各為均衡 |
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3555.263 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
3578.98 |
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在於推動全球多元佈局下我想經濟部已分別在捷克、日本、美國等設立台灣貿易投資中心支持台商的海外落地的佈局同時我們也將透過區域貿易協定等開闊歐洲跟東協等市場打造台灣成為一個經濟的部落國以上報告進行指教好 謝謝高副主委 |
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| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
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另外就行政院主席總署還有行政院經貿談判辦公室的就請貴委員參考書面的資料他們現在開始詢答先做以下的宣告每位出席委員發言時間8分鐘必要時得延長2分鐘每位列席委員發言時間5分鐘今日上午10點截止發言登記現在依據發登記順序請登記地位的林德福委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席與會各列席官員還有各位媒體記者 理事先生各位同仁是不是請我們中央銀行楊總裁請楊總裁 |
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總裁你好我請教因為美國宣布對台灣關稅降至15%那台灣承諾由企業自主投資2500億的美元那政府信用保證2500億元換取對等關稅有20%進一步降至15%並且不疊加稅率取得日韓歐盟相同的最 |
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會國的待遇那總裁當行政院對這次關稅協議談判結果表示滿意的同時那我請問你認為是不是有哪些產業例如像國內的汽車產業可能因為這次關稅談判造成市場開放 |
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而發生負面的衝擊影響對於這些可能因為市場開放受程度不等的這些衝擊的產業政府到底有哪些因應的對策那個總裁你的看法呢報告委員 這個題目應該是要來請教因為我說實在的那個經濟部 經貿辦公室 是 |
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最起碼你們要說清楚講明白那個停一下他那個經貿辦公室沒有人來有執密那個 執密來市長或者那個經貿辦公室的代表還有經濟部 來你們要說清楚講明白 |
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好跟委員報告那這一次因應這個美國登等關稅我們在立法院的支持下我們經濟部也編列了四百六十億元的這個任期特別預算來協助我們產業因應這一次美國關稅那大概有分成幾項幾項措施包括貸款還有 |
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出国的加码保证还有转型升级的补助以及市场拓销的补助大概就这四项我们来因应让这些传统产业它能够来做因应因为现在最严重就是什么因为你经过这九个多月那你包括我们的很多传统产业包括工具区 水五金 脚踏车 蝴蝶兰等等 |
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因為有很多的客戶已經流失了經過這九個多月因為日本韓國跟我們不一樣又是我們鄰近的國家那這些衝擊到底我們他們到底可不可以回復因為已經移轉客戶了你就是回復15%不疊加人家不一定會要你的東西 |
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你有什么看法根文报告上个礼拜五卓院长也到台南去跟汽车零组件的业者来座谈其中有一家业者他是专门做汽车改装件的零组件一听到就说我们的关税已经谈成失误不叠加他们的董事长马上飞到美国去接单所以这代表说我们这样的一个谈判其实对订单的回流是有帮助的那个去接单问题是 |
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你像那些傳統產業包括汽車到底汽車有沒有確定在這個裡面 |
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這個零組件的部分我們現在爭取到的是15%不疊加那相較於我們的其他競爭對手國來講我們有相當大的這個稅率的優惠我們原先的稅率是汽車零組件是26.25%現在一下子降到15%跟歐盟日本跟韓國的這樣的一個基礎 |
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是一樣的所以這就剛我提到就為什麼董事長急於跑到美國再去跟客戶洽談訂單就是因為稅率大幅降低有利於我們這樣的一個條件那以前報導阿拉斯加液化天然氣管線需要耗資440億的美元 |
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這個美國川普總統也希望日本韓國跟台灣一起來參與那我請問依你們的看法因為畢竟中油是你們管的這個阿拉斯加天然氣這個傳言到底是在規劃中還是有沒有在這一次整個承諾裡面來扣除到底有沒有要說清楚講明白跟委員報告這個其實中油已經跟這個阿拉斯加那一家公司已經有簽了一個簽了這個有沒有從裡面扣除 |
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那你總不能一直加上去啊當然我們是希望就是說未來這個整個油氣的供應要能夠穩定啦所以我們希望從這個美國的這個阿拉斯加那一條航道是相對來講是比較安全的 |
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那再來就是說 問題是不要賠熱婦人又責兵這個裡面你不要說我們跟他這次談沒有把這個納進去那個對我們來講 講實在話那個實在不應該啦 對不對你不能我們身為國會的議員 民意代表就是幫人民來勘請政府的荷包不是讓你們為所欲為但是這次這樣簽法以後講實在話 很多民間大家都在講 |
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講的你是陪了夫人又責兵因為我們跟人家的軍具體那個一比較啊 落差太大了 |
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對不對我相信你們也很清楚是跟我們報告其實中友其實他們還在評估當中也就是說如果這個投資具可行性的話我想後面還是會有 |
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我們為什麼什麼都要聽人家的對不對我們要有自主性啊你像那個韓國日本甚至於現在歐洲對這個川普很多作為啊他們都不能接受對不對不是人家講於我們作善人家對不對講什麼我們就配合什麼那個講實在話你們身為政府的官員應該要有原則有尊嚴啊 |
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我們會跟美方那邊來爭取如果真的有做成投資投資這樣的決定的話那絕對會是加到我們的投資的額度裡面來我是希望說你們要站在人民的角度不是人家講什麼我們什麼都配合我請國發會國發會也來列舉我們高副主委 |
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那个总裁请回吧在 |
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國發會這個關稅協議中的2500億信用保證是由國發會主責針對這項的信用保證這個信保的機制國發會提出4點來規劃說明整個融資總額度保證對象專款來源以出資方式打算由國發基金來出資並邀請公股民營銀行來共同參與 那我請問 |
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主委 那個國發會要如何來契合這些到海外投資的產業要如何 |
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跟委員報告所有申請的企業都必須要跟融資保證中心來提供他所有申請企業的相關資料我們也會設置一個融資保證的委員會到時候融資保證基金合約相關的文件之後都會送到融資保證委員會來進行融資保證的評估 |
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所以我們會確保我們整個的將來的對銀行對企業的受信其實我們有一套的所謂的減核的這些行政的程序因為那個對比經濟部中小企業信用這個信保基金的組織執掌本席對於國發會是否有足夠的能力來控管海外融資的這些投資過程與結果 |
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講實在話本席是感到存疑啦再者海外投資後續如果發生個案的追長對於信用保證下的這個債權查封執行會不會因為時空差距而發生追長無門的結果會不會不會我們會有一我們會有一套審核的機制剛才已經有跟委員報告過 |
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因為畢竟國發基金過去執行率並不好尤其有有甚者還頻頻踩雷我請問跟委員報告我們到時候要成立一個國家融資保證中心其實我們國發基金只是擔任出資方 |
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目前國家如果要依照現行的國家融資保證機制的話國家融資保證中心的執行單位是輸出入銀行因為國外基金優化投錢投後管理的做法會不會落實在這些海外 |
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投資的產業上實際上要怎麼樣去操作海外的集合我認為這個很重要你也來做一個說明我想謝謝委員的提醒我想因為我們不管是國家融資保證基金或融資保證委員會這相關的機制的話我們都一定會在後續研擬的過程中間我們會審慎的處理包括委員講的投錢 |
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投前的評估投中投後等等的相關的審查信用這些保證對象的一些信用的徵信我們都會審慎的處理請委員放心在面對美國要求台灣付出如此龐大的投資金額相當於15兆台幣 |
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五年中央政府的總預算規模台灣半導體產業與相關上下游的這些供應鏈將大量資金移往美國未來可能會排擠整個台灣產地這個產業的升級資源對美國投資大幅增加對台灣投資大幅度的減少將不利整個台灣未來的發展那我國政府 |
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包括你們談判代表卻沒有告訴大家美國的要求完成投資期限在何時這個讓大家也十分憂心因為你沒有實現的那請我們經濟部包括經貿辦公室你們要做跟大家做說明 |
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各位委員報告其實200億美金的這個是企業的自主投資而且是應客戶的要求也會分年逐步的推動那其實我想我們知道說其實以台積電來說現在已經成為全球第六大的企業了 |
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他其實面對AI的基礎建設強勁需求他其實一定要做全球佈局目前我們75%的營收台積電來自於北美客戶所以他在美國設廠其實應該是某個程度上也可以紓解台灣資源難以支應的這些困擾而且我們這次是雙向投資所以到時候 |
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美國其實也會來投資台灣的AI還有這些半導體還有五大信賴產業所以我們認為其實用動態的觀點來看其實我們覺得200億美元對企業的自主投資其實反而有助於台美所謂戰略夥伴關係的鞏固其實應該不會對台灣所謂產生對台灣的投資其實有減損的這些效應然後另外的200億的 |
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2500億的信用保證額度跟前面那個是完全不一樣的這只是我們用信用保證的方式支持金融機構提供最高到2500億的企業受信額度所以我們政府提出的包括我們國發基金跟公營跟民營企業我們提出的所謂的保證專款最多我想副院長有講到是62.5億到100億之間 |
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我希望最重要就是我們身為民意代表國會議員就是要幫人民勘請荷包你們那個大原則一定要保住不是人家講義你們作善現在民眾的感覺就這樣子 |
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對不對 為所欲為那你沒有把人民放在眼裡沒有把 我們是希望說經濟好起來兩岸和平你不是人家講什麼我們就去配合什麼我們一定會確保台灣的競爭優勢那台灣在全球供應鏈的重要的角色請委員放心好 謝謝好 謝謝林德福委員接下來請吳秉瑞委員質詢 |
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主席麻煩請行政院經貿談判辦公室徐執行秘書請徐執行秘書還有經濟部何次長何次長 請 |
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委員好我是很敬佩各個委員在這邊很努力問政但是你們回答的資訊如果他原來提出來的數字是不正確的你們也要趕距離力爭確實跟他回答投資都是2500億美金不是5000億換算成台幣的話就不是15兆台幣 |
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而且裡面台積電已經本來就承諾投資1650億美金了嘛對不對所以剩下的擴大其實是剩多少其實才剩下850億嘛這個還沒有算環球金沒有算鴻海沒有算偽創這些現在正要前往美國投資的這些企業所以把它講成這麼大 |
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我跟你說啦監督問證是很好啦不要背於事實啦我們還是要基於在事實的基礎上來問證我講的是不是對的有哪一個地方不正確你請你給我指出來是委員講的都對齁那因為五千億不能加總來看啦兩千五百億的信用保證魏董事長在這個地方魏董事長請你上台跟我們講一下現在中小信保齁在台灣如果你要融資兩千五百億你那個槓桿的比例大概是多少 |
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跟委員報告那我們信保基金保證的成數是13.77就是現在事實上操作是13.77對 那如果說是以這樣來講的話2500億美金的話是181.55億好 請你回座好 謝謝所以 |
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要信用保證2500億的美金一位董事長如果以在國內操作的比例來講是100多億美金其實我們要融資這些都是國際知名的大廠你怕台積電跟你倒賬嗎你怕鴻海跟你倒賬嗎 |
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所以將來這些投資的信用保證它其實的風險的係數可以做到比台灣的中小信保在台灣對中小微企業的信用保證還要低的這個還要高的這個槓桿因為它導的風險更低所以你們才會說60到100億美金之內就夠了對不對然後他一直跟你宣傳說你就是政府要花2500億 |
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那為什麼講了這麼多次他們還是硬不聽 |
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因為他是中稅的人叫不行啦他要這樣講嘛台灣的股市剛剛破三萬兩千點啦還在跟你說台灣經濟不好啦民不聊生啦你去機場看一看排隊出國的人喔都擠滿了好這一個講不贏他說M型化社會啦很慘的人很慘啦很好的人很好啦一個再強再棒全世界經濟第一名的社會喔都會有很可憐的 |
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弱勢者這無法避免那我們台灣就是作為一個中間政策上面中間偏左我們的社會福利努力在做社會安全網把所有的最可憐的人都要承接起來但是不要睜著眼睛說瞎話這一個經貿的談判喔在我來看應該給予鼓勵了台灣因為被中共打壓很多國家沒有辦法跟我們簽FTA |
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沒有辦法去參加一些中共阻撓的這些所謂的東南亞經貿組織各類的經貿組織包括我們一直想要參加的泛太平洋的經濟協定都一直被中國共產黨阻撓被中國阻撓台灣的處境特別艱難這跟哪一黨執政無關啊以前國民黨也有執政過八年的期間中國也要不讓你參加嘛 |
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那所以我們本來的關稅就比人家高啊台灣的企業家非常地了不起耶在逆境當中我們仍然有辦法跟人家去拼一場短提著一個皮包走全世界這是台灣精神嘛那這一次談判完之後我們的關稅降到跟日本跟韓國一樣韓國搓在蛋啦 |
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因為台灣的中小企業韓國是沒有辦法比的韓國都是幾個大集團大財團嘛他們的中小企業所以美國現在向台灣取經要複製台灣科學園區的經驗這也是這今天談判中的一環我們台積電在美國投資他們把我們講成說是掏空台灣這是天大的笑話台積電在台灣的哪一個廠有關掉有沒有關掉的 |
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那市長有沒有關掉 台積電在台灣的廠有沒有關掉的八維沒有不但沒有關掉 一年還一直增加 還要增加很多廠對不對那請問廠一直蓋一直增加 沒有關掉任何一間投靠台灣什麼東西啊我這間公司一直不停的擴大從全世界後面的排名一直往前衝現在衝到全世界市值第六大 |
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就代表我生意越做越大我的產能越來越大所以我台灣也在增加我在德國我在中國我在日本我在美國都要增加社廠嘛 |
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那個這個是壯大的過程中必須要增加投資的地方怎麼會掏空台灣呢如果今天他移到美國是台灣要關廠台灣這些產能要收掉然後台灣的工人都失業你勉強可以講說這樣對台灣的經濟不利你台灣已經飽和做不出來了都滿滿滿了那一部分到別的國家去生產 |
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為什麼就是掏空台灣呢 這個邏輯我不懂啊那被人家這樣攻擊 你們都沒有辦法用很大的聲量很清楚的聲音 讓國人能夠了解然後因為現在小眾媒體 現在網路一直給你抹黑 一直給你造謠啊所以我每次看到說什麼掏空台灣 |
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很奇怪我跟你講我有一些做工程營造的朋友跟我講說現在工人很難請的原因就是因為這些電子大廠他們在設廠的時候都在趕進度他寧願給兩倍三倍的工資把這些建築做這個營造的工人請去所以讓我們的公共工程還有我們的普通的營造都缺工那奇怪了他掏空為什麼一直在蓋廠 |
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次長你跟我回答啊為什麼一直在蓋廠然後講說是掏空呢是 我跟委員報告其實如同委員講到的就是其實台積電在台灣的投資大過於任何在其他國家的投資而且剛剛委員講得很對因為其實現在我跟你講相信政府的都在股票市場都賺大錢了台積電它的整個產業鏈很長所以許多的包括廠物這個半導設備 材料還有許多的這些化學品協力廠商也要去啊不然他才 |
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非常多的工業類語錄精湛一定要讓他做的產品我舉個例子這些做無塵室的是要提供台積電的這些設備那台積電在美國設廠的部分他當然也要跟著去就近來做比較方便溝通也方便嘛所以是打群架的台灣的企業是打群架的跟韓國那種集團是不一樣的嘛 |
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那總共光台積電就已經承諾1650了而且這個投資也沒有期限啊這是一個承諾錢會沒用啦就是說我將來要來你這邊投資多少也沒有期間也沒有期限不知道把它講成什麼台灣要完蛋了我跟你說相信政府今天台灣股市又創新高了破三萬二了相信政府的都賺錢了 |
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你還講說台積電會跌到五百塊以下的喔不知道他有沒有去放空他既然他的預測這麼高明那不害死人當初聽他的話賣掉台積電的現在是不是都賠都沒有賺到啦甚至趕快賣了是不是都賠啦所以不要在那邊胡言亂語政治問政要基於事實在那邊亂講常常嘴巴在那邊掛起來就名不聊生台灣經濟要完蛋了怎麼樣怎麼樣我看要完蛋的是中國啦 |
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中國的經濟一塌糊塗莫名其妙當初馬政府時代鼓勵大膽西進害死很多人那個才叫真正叫掏空台灣我們投資台灣我們返鄉計畫我們壯大台灣之後我們就有能力投資全世界因為我們產能的需要要擴大 |
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這對台灣是大好事啊台灣去年對美國出超1500億美金耶這站在國際貿易上啊如果美國要對付你的話這很正當的理由啊但是人家美國其實對我們沒有不好這個投資是雙向的就算我們去美國投資台積電輝達來台灣投資Google來台灣投資這個一大堆的美國企業來台灣投資他為什麼不講說是掏空美國 |
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去哪裡投資就是掏空哪個國家他的母國那這樣的話輝達是掏空美國嗎因為輝達要來台灣設這個企業總部啊他不是在台北市嗎現在不是談了東亞的企業總部不是在那邊嗎那算不算輝達掏空美國 |
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所以我是覺得台灣要趕快進行這個工作一年1500億的出鈔而且今年度看起來還會再繼續擴大一直擴大下去美國會受不了所以重要的東西趕快跟美國採購大宗物資趕快跟美國採購能夠行有餘力可以投資去美國投資做貿易帳金融帳的平衡不然台灣的這個貿易出鈔這麼多 |
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對全世界的國際貿易來講是對人家不公平啦光只要想自己都不要換位思考站在美國人的角度你一年賺我這麼多錢你是用這種態度對待我所以我是覺得我個人將心比心我覺得美國對我們是因為很需要台灣這一個夥伴所以他對我們這個條件是給的很好喔在我來看啦 |
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那問一個最嚴重的問題 萬一本院沒有通過這個協定會怎麼樣 萬一啊不是啦 你就照實回答嘛 我就不邀你 我就問你說萬一通不過會怎麼辦嘛 |
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像委員報告因為這個協定要能夠生效是要雙方都完成內部程序之後才能生效所以如果我方沒有辦法通過的話我方就沒有辦法完成我方的內部程序我看你們在說不完喔你是怕得罪誰啊說實話會有什麼問題沒有通過台灣大災難啦我跟你講這個東西沒有通過 |
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回到以前的疊加關稅跟以前的條件一樣以前罵得要死說那個條件那麼差現在條件要變比較好還要不要考慮要不要簽還說這個是掏空台灣我跟你講 全國人民真的眼睛在看所有的產業真的眼睛在看沒有過的話 台灣倒大霉啦這工業啦 大家加油喔 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝吳秉瑞委員 謝謝接下來請賴世保委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請國發會的高副主委好請高副主委央行的楊總裁金管會的陳主委還有經濟部的何次長何次長還有剛才信保基金的魏董事長魏董事長委員好 |
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我先請教魏董事長一句話就好了剛才我沒有聽得很清楚信保基金保證成數保證幾倍 |
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目前我們保證的倍數是13.77倍多少13.77倍所以換算回來如果政府要保證2500億美金的話那就是要多少準備181.55億左右差不多是換算成台幣多少 |
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我們對關稅談判 關稅的談判代表可以上來 |
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我在好幾個場合都肯定20加N降為15%可是我們是監督我們是提醒要付什麼代價這個從現在執政黨從這個行政院長以降包括立委都講喔不是5000啦是2500啦我用美國大家在喜歡抱大腿的美國商業部長盧特尼克說 |
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台灣要投資美國五千億這是頭期款最終的目標要打造一座大型半導體科學園區這原汁原味魯特尼克講的話這這麼簡單直接投資兩千五百億 |
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然後鼓勵企業去投資2500億政府保證如果倒的話政府要出但不管怎麼樣對於美國 盧特尼克 美國人來講台灣total就是投資5000億美金就這麼簡單啦副主委 我剛剛講的話有沒有錯 |
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第一個 前面的2500億是企業的自主投資後面的2500億是融資我們有保證的專款所以加起來就是5000億有什麼錯呢這句話有什麼錯可是它性質是不一樣的性質不一樣的都是 dollar dollar dollar 美金 |
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一二十大了啦來那你剛才講的喔我剛才特別講的中小型新跑基金他是十三多倍一般來講我們保證持續大概十倍啦如果十倍就是要準備兩百五十億美金所以有媒體提到說要準備八千億那 |
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你剛才說要準備六十幾億可是按照剛才信訪基金外董事長講的中小信訪基金你就說準備一百三十幾億美金台幣大概五千億左右一百七十幾億吧台幣大概五千億左右啦齁啊 為什麼差這麼多啦齁好 這個完全是看倍數啦齁你到底要保證多少倍啦齁要保證多少倍那我就請教你 |
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錢從什麼地方來不管60億美金啊 100億美金啊170億美金 錢從什麼地方來跟委員報告我們的估算到保證的專款是62.5億到100億之間呢基本上我們是考慮到其實賦予的都是60多億 你就要是保證成數25倍了這會不會太流利跟委員報告 基本上是 |
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保證的倍數因為我們赴美的都是比較大型的保證的倍數是15到20倍然後保證的成數是50到60射算出來的金額你查一下信保基金還有榮保基金這裡面沒有人在這麼多因為中小企業就像信仰基金是中小企業所以我們赴美投資都是比較中大型的企業所以保證的成數可以倍數可以比較高 |
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沒關係這裡面有講喔那你這個錢就算六十幾億好了就兩千億台幣嘛對不對兩千億台幣從什麼地方來基本上我們會分五期因為企業的投資升級什麼時候到位啦前什麼時候到位我們基本上我們會希望前什麼時候到位你回答我因為我時間有限今年會到位今年全部到位不是分五期的第一期所以第一期大概五百億 |
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如果62.5億來說的話我們大概就是就是兩千億嘛十幾億所以就是三百多億三四百億啦對 三四百億的台幣今年的什麼時候 年底今年 今年我們會行政程序來辦理然後我們應該是今年第一期會成立這個要不要經過立法院啊 |
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因為基本上是由國發基金還有公民銀行共同的出資我想不涉及到特別預算或相關你要叫銀行來講到來 我請教金管會的彭主委 |
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你們保險公司會不會被拜託來加入這個融資的金額結果保險公司跟銀行是它的屬性不太一樣比如說保險公司它現在當然它也可以做擔保放款根據保險法但是根據保險法的規定它不能擔任擔保機構對 它根據保險法它要有十組擔保品 |
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對 他就是按照保險法146之3所以他不可以加入這個機制是不是他可以做有國家保證機制的擔保放款 |
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他本來就保險法明訂的來來來 我再請教高副主委你這裡面有沒有規劃保險受險公司很有錢啊有沒有請他們出錢因為我們這個國家信用保證機制是循我們現行的保證機制的方式只是我們另外會成立一個專責的委員會來那個那我們目前的國家信用保證機制事實上就是由國發基金跟八個公股銀行共同的出資 |
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然後再做再放所以我們將來會希望以循現在的你的國發基金要出多少錢我們國發基金我們要看要出多少錢兩千億裡面要出多少錢不是兩千億吧我剛才說的第一期的我們到時候就要看公股銀行跟民營銀行他入股的比重所以目前沒有要找保險公司沒有沒有要找保險公司有沒有要找央行 |
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不會找央行 不會找央行喔 是不可以用台積電股票指壓喔 不會好 我再請教央行的 來賴委員早總裁啊 是現在企業直接投資2500億了 是會不會動到你 會不會跟你買外匯會不會以目前來講 我們的市場的外匯 外幣資金非常充裕 |
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大概多少我們在報告裡面也有講到大概多少嗎 你跟我們講你看我們存款就有目前的存款就有三千一百多億三千一百億但是他都拿出來嗎打死我不相信我家裡有三千萬好了我家裡有三千萬全部拿去拿出來我當然不要 |
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你看看那個委員你看我們一年的順差都是一千你看對美國就一千五百億了每年這個是流量存量跟流量真的是沒有問題一千五百億跑到央行的外匯存底有沒有 |
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你說1000對 順差不會啦因為供需他沒有啊他會供需我們中央銀行只會是在市場調節我們有買也有賣所以基本上應該是如果說有增加也增加一點點如果有減少也減少一點點一般企業不是對外賺的錢 |
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那就跟你換台幣 不然他怎麼…不…他們很大一部分都是放在他們的外幣存款而且有一部分都放在國外比例多少 |
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他這個比例多少我就不曉得我剛剛也就跟現在就存款在我們台灣就3100億所以都不會東單外匯存底就對了基本上以目前我們來評估是大體上應該短期之內是不會應該是不會最近 |
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黃金一直漲啊是人家好幾個委員是叫很久已經叫你買黃金你都買不到結果現在國外來講的話這個黃金的人家佔的美國黃金高達80%因為全世界現在對美元的信心動搖啊開始覺得儲備啊所以現在央行全世界的央媽都在買黃金沒有沒有事實上我跟委員報告 |
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事實上這一波黃金之所以上漲主要還是在民間不是在央行央行的話大概是五個國家的央行會去買第一個是俄羅斯第二個是中國大陸第三個是印度第四個是土耳其第五個是波蘭就大概這五個央行其他國家你看韓國 日本 歐洲都沒有 |
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所以不是主要的央行去買所以最近這半年來我們的央行都沒有買一塊錢黃金沒有所以還是需要美金我想我們diversify我們是分散的八成是美金基本上是這樣美元資產我們隨時動態的調整 |
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好 最後一個問題我請教你IMF世紀全球金融穩定報告特別點名台灣對美元匯率負險程度明顯高於外匯市場可以承受的交易深度如果按照美國我們美元計價的資產我們大概3兆美金台灣就有錢3兆美金除以匯市的 |
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每個月的交易量大概45倍韓國25倍 日本20倍德國 法國 義大利各為數 |
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這個請問你會不會 我們央行看到這個報告有什麼心裡有什麼反應我們也有 委員說的我們看到這個報告我們一直覺得MF對這個他是誤解了誤解對 誤解他說是45倍事實上我們如果說根據我們的計算的話我們是差不多大概20倍左右所以你嗤之以鼻 |
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所以我們也不會覺得說我們不會非常緊張我們不會很非常緊張我們有一點異己我們不會小看IMF只是說我要跟委員報告我跟委員報告IMF基本上對有些時候它都對我們台灣的那個什麼那個經濟成長有些時候它的focus都是 |
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都是差很多所以也就是說他對我們實際的情況沒有非常了解上一次我們就有啊這一次不必要因為我們覺得很Easy所以就瞧不起這個報告 |
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不是這樣子因為我們不會緊張差不多這個意思啦比試搶不起這個不必要比試這個不必要比試我們參考參考參考齁所以他錯了45倍錯的是是是25倍正常的勒是錯的好啦好 謝謝好 謝謝賴司保委員總裁請回齁好 接下來我們請郭國文委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席有請金貿談判辦公室徐執銘還有包括我們楊航楊總裁楊航楊總裁經濟部次長經濟部何次長還有金管會主委彭主委彭主委 |
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我先就教於徐執密是委員號我提一個問題當初我們關稅談判然後要提高美國要提高我們關稅最主要理由就在於說貿易逆差對不對當初2024年的貿易逆差的時候我們貿易逆差是700多億 |
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到2025的時候是1500多億當初2024年的時候700多億我們排行在對美貿易逆差是第7名可是變成2025的時候1500多億的時候預計提升到第4名貿易逆差的問題越來越嚴重排名越來越前面為什麼我們原先的關稅會從25%降到15%用不疊加 為什麼 |
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這是一個談判的結果你不是貿易逆差太多嗎要把你提高關稅那為什麼貿易逆差變成double了排行7又變成4那為什麼那個關稅會降低你們回答本席這個問題像委員報告其實這個就是一個談判的結果談判技巧那麼好就純粹談判嗎你先回去好了那我請總裁你們告訴我為什麼 |
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我個人的看法我最喜歡聽你的看法我個人認為就是說因為美國需要我們的產品 |
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講到重點了 美國需要我們什麼需要我們的產品所以經濟安全不是只是經濟安全嘛他背後思考的是一個國家安全不是嗎對 你看總裁點頭了你的報告書徐殖民你的報告書裡頭就寫到經濟安全就國家安全答案你就寫在裡頭啦所以從國家安全的角度來說我們就來看嘛 |
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如果是國家安全的話你看為什麼他們要跟日本的造船業合作那為什麼又叫我們半導體的這相關產業去投資美國關鍵就是在國安嘛 是不是好 那我們就從國家安全的角度來思考這個問題台灣的整體的整個經濟戰略當中我們過去是從西進現在是到東進過去是朝西的兩岸共同市場現在是朝東的兩岸共同市場總裁這樣是不是有這樣的走向有 |
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有嘛 有這樣走向嘛我們創造了一個不同的兩岸的共同市場嘛從西進垮到東進嘛你去看從2011年對中的部分呢貿易的金額高達143對美才7.3 |
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現在降到對中的部分只降到剩下3成 少了7成而且對外不到10%對美國增加到20倍很清楚啊 從西往東嘛從西往東 |
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但是我个人还是担心从两个数字来说我们对中国贸易的比例是一直对中国的部分的比例是一直下降然后金管会也一直在管有关于金融的部分的曝险一直在降低我就想要就较于这个总裁如果就这两个数字来看的话中国老是在提起说要废掉那个EFA然后一直想要做一个经贸性的制裁 |
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他現在到哪個點我們認為他沒有威脅感那個總裁你有沒有評估過我還是沒有很了解那個委員的問題 |
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就是說他常常在威脅我們就是說我們因為投資很多或者什麼 曝險很高會不會我們投資太多 曝險太高用經貿來做我們威脅來制裁的這個可能性要降到什麼階段才會讓我們沒有感受到威脅你有沒有瞭解這個數字就說 沒有你沒有 那我請今晚會主委 |
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目前的曝險數字來說從金融曝險的狀況我們大概要降到多少水位才能夠擺脫對中國的依賴我簡單的講其實跟委員說明其實我們的數字是這樣從我們歷史上最高占我們全體銀行的淨值大概71%現在大概來到了14.59% |
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再來就是說這當然就是說我們對任何一個那個市場的依賴程度越高那當然所受的風險越低我想這兩個數值可以做一個比較大的比較就是現在我們在對大陸的曝險大概是佔他們現在銀行淨值的只有14.59最高是最高是71的時候 |
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是不是要再降低沒有 這個還是他們全球佈局的一部分我覺得全球佈局其實像我們最近我們的國營在我們是從國家角度我剛剛一開始就說從國安的角度我們要多少降到多少你認為才是這我們倒是沒去評估不過我們現在是持續按照他們整個的全球的佈局在安排主委你回去評估一下必要的時候跟業者勸說一下我再來跟那個總裁對話一下總裁 |
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你之前寫一份報告非常經典如果要這樣這個從國安的角度他需要我們對不對但是從貿易逆差的角度當中我們還是要減低嘛對不對 不是嗎你上次提出三個一個是軍購 一個是能源一個是農產品農產品老實說數額有限我們的順差也不過是22億那軍購的部分又不算那關鍵就是能源 |
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從能源的角度本席查到目前能源的佔比澳洲佔4成美國佔1成然後其他的是卡達4成當中澳洲因為在已經實施了國產天然氣安全機制要優先提供澳洲國內使用2027會更嚴格的一個儲備限制中國也因為關稅的因素轉向跟澳洲擴大這個採買當然裡頭澳洲還有他們親中親美的一個問題姑且不講 |
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拉回来说目前美国的占比10%这个未来10年要采购2000亿以照目前的这贸易逆差的这个部分跟能源安全的角度来看你认为这个比例够高吗还是需要再提升你三项当中两项就已经排除了剩下这一项而已要减少贸易逆差是否还有其他的可能性 |
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我覺得我們盡可能當然就是說剛剛委員講到就是說我們對台對美國的順差越來越增加那我們也要降低對他的一個順差 |
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我想除了就是說我們採購以外當然就是說能源的話我們可以的話我們也能夠盡量的提高一些但是我覺得我們對美國的投資本身也會減少我們對美國的順差 |
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那你預估來說這種減少的話真的會趨緩嗎你知道目前為止你看到美國越來越我聽到的講法他需要我們現在不是我們依賴美國某個程度他是希望不要說依賴啦其實我們國家安全很需要美國就彼此互賴的程度這麼高的情況底下我們也不能客問客誰說因為他需要我們所以說貿易力差不降 |
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我想是這樣子他大概降到什麼程度會讓人家覺得有所交代到目前為止美國對我們的逆差雖然就是說對我們的逆差那麼高但是基本上就他整個的一個逆差來講剛剛也講到就是說現在也是第四位 |
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但是第一位跟第二位第三位那邊他的那個都很大的所以就是說我們站在他所有的逆差裡面我們也不算是比重也不是說雖然有一定但是也不是最高但是問題還是在我們就是就他的安全的一個戰略的安全來講的話他還是覺得我們台灣是 |
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其實真正會讓我們讓步其實他是從國安的角度來做思考而大過一個貿易逆差的考量所以逆差對我們台灣逆差他這個不是他的PriorityPriority是在後面Priority的前面是在國安所以相對而言我們把整個兩岸的市場從西轉到東對台灣的國安是不是有幫助 |
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也應該是有啦很有幫助嘛對不對但是一來國安的加強的部分二來貿易逆差如果能夠趨衡的話趨近平衡的話那會更好嘛那另外一個部分啊我就要就教也就教一下那個總裁好了總裁可是談台美的貿易談判當中有一個東西是隱形的一個數位逆差沒有被談到就日美在談判的時候就有談到這一個 |
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在台美谈判当中都没有谈到我个人这样估计起来我发现这个数位的逆差的差异点在哪里呢其实从2022年日本的贸易逆差就数位的部分就破百亿 |
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那台湾的部分它是把夯不啷啷把这个服务的服务贸易把它加总起来把运费什么算起来所以说只差点2.2亿但是仔细看一下我们在平台受到美国的这一个部分的这个服务的依赖程度非常的高我发现台湾在美国科技在购买这些数位服务的时候这些公司都设在哪里设在爱尔兰的子公司是没有错 |
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设在爱尔兰子公司那我们就不算吗最终的受益者还是美国的母公司是 没有错这个金额就爱尔兰的这个顺差的金额就不过千亿了里头对台湾的占比大概有多高你认为这个部分是不是也应该算入当中台美贸易当中的一个逆差的这个部分可以做一个平衡来依据这隐形的贸易逆差 |
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我想這個服務方面的那個逆差以前我們對美國的服務的逆差是很大的後來就是慢慢的因為我們的第一個就是說我們的 |
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就是我們的航運這個部分我們就變成越來越小那是一部分那是疫情時間航運占比比較高那另外一個部分也就是說我們對它的一個專利 |
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专利权它对我们的专利权智慧财产权的采购稍微比较少但是平台的使用比例也越来越高不过这个就是说我们的服务我们的服务对它的一个对它的一个逆差我们台湾对它的逆差确实是越来越小 |
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對 沒有錯應該是在貿易平衡的部分這個部分是我們採購它比較多或許將來您在報告的部分就是農業的部分軍購的部分已經不算了嘛能源的部分總裁你的高度的情況底下如何在台美之間的貿易差就是趨近平衡的採購事項當中多做一點琢磨那就請總裁費心各位請回 謝謝謝謝郭國文委員 |
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總裁請回接下來請李彥秀委員質詢 |
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感谢赵伟 我今天的质询我要邀请我们经贸办的徐直密我们的主记长陈主记长以及我们经济部的何振次徐直密还有我们蔡副主记长何振次 |
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好 谢谢各位在这段时间大家辛苦但是我想全世界面对于川普的MEGA未来怎么变化其实全世界国家都很辛苦那到目前为止我们的谈其实分两块一个是行政协议一个是MOU的部分那从大块方上来讲我觉得会有衍生几个问题当然就是说未来我们这些谈判的结果会不会 |
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受其他未来美国国内政治更迭的影响会不会再有其他变化其他近几年因为最后这个谈判结果当然某一些产业松了一口气当然有一些产业目前还没有公开的到底充其有多少的影响 |
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譬如說我們的農業我們短期是補貼措施我們中長期的規劃是什麼我們到目前為止我還沒有看到包括對於中小傳統產業的影響我們做什麼樣的準備還有我們本國品牌對於美國的相關的品牌同樣的項目我們後續未來的競爭力 |
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怎麼樣去做後續的處理當然面對全國供應鏈的重組包括我們地緣政治的升溫我覺得在這次談判的結果不只是台美關係經貿關係的深化其實更深一層的我覺得身為立法委員在野黨的立委我覺得未來包括整體對於這樣子的談判的結果未來對於我們整項整塊包括我們台灣的核心的產業我們 |
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无论是晶片也好台积电也好我们整个制度的定位还有整个政策后续的影响我觉得是我们立法委员要关心的那在这一次主席讲我要请问主席讲说在1月16号谈判的结果包括半导体还有相关的衍生的相关的问题包括在232的关税后续的影响当然产业界 |
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過去九個月很多都是忐忑不安但看到這樣的結果其實某些產業包括晶片半導體有一些人鬆了一口氣當然15%還是比過去的高但是至少沒有過去媒體我們揣測的那麼高但是我覺得我們看整件談判的結果我們不能只看 |
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台面上的東西因為畢竟還有一些目前還沒有公布的項目是我們要關心的所以不僅是目前包括未來我們要從美國進口的一些項目目前沒有公布包括對於主技術也公布說對於國內的產業民生的影響後續還是要繼續觀察台美貿易的協定是不是這樣子是 |
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所以有一些還沒完全公開對不對不是還沒公佈 事項還沒簽我們在2月13號過年前最後一個上班日我們會發佈最新的經濟預測就GDP的預測還有物價那個時候就會把關稅的這些充分考慮進去 |
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包括对关税对物价的影响在2月13号都会公布副市长我要请问我也观察到包括这次谈判当中有非关税贸易障碍的讨论未来包括我们也会对美国采购石油跟天然气对不对我们原来有针对其他国家采购未来跟美国采购的价格是什么我们现在还不知道 |
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那但是這些天然氣石油等等都跟民生議題息息相關跟物價息息相關你同意嘛對不對好那如果同意的話那我就要跟副局長討論就是說過去我們看到雖然CPI過去這半年多一年我們都覺得台灣CPI控制的還不錯都在兩趴左右但是我每一次質詢我有提到其實外食族跟豬屋族 |
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雖然CPI是空在2%但是漲幅最高的還是租屋跟外食族外食族如果一漲台灣所有的一般的白領階級 藍領階級大家感受恐怕都更深我再公布一個數據我們過去包括10月 11月我們的統裝瓦斯也都上漲了包括11月漲了0.45塊12月也漲了1.7塊1月份我們 |
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漲了一塊錢過去三個月以來我們的瓦斯每公斤就漲了3.15塊錢以每桶20公斤來計算一桶就多了60塊錢這也就是為什麼我現在有時候常去夜市的時候或最近我在市場敗票的時候他們都跟我講說不得不漲因為瓦斯都漲成本都漲所以中油雖然有說現在的調漲是因為過去 |
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但是現在在反映成本但是我就要請問如果接下來我們要跟美國採購天然氣而且是一個我們現在不知道未知的價格我們到底未來在民生包括這些瓦斯類似瓦斯這些調漲上我們到底還有多少還沒有漲這是我擔心的我要強調雖然CPI我們現在控制到2%但是我們的外食族 租屋族 |
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感受到的租屋的費用跟外食其實是不斷的在調整所以加上我們接下來有五千億美元要跟美國做投資那國際資金的流動會不會造成台幣的貶值進而推升我們接下來台灣的通膨等等我覺得這都是接下來我們在中長期要因應短期可能我們就要因應中長期你們更要提出決策出來 |
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我覺得就是說在這次談判的結果從那天賴總統的記者會當中我看到的只是報喜不報憂因為對各個產業的衝擊還有你們短中長期你們後續如何去因應 |
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短期內你可能可以做補貼但是你不可能是永遠做補貼那你的政策到底是什麼包括我們的農業等等那我就要再請問農業部包括杜次長在這一次台美的貿易協定當中我們會不會去處理美豬美牛跟基改的問題 |
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因為我從媒體上已經提到看到美方提出好幾次就是對於美豬美牛跟基改的食物希望可以進到台灣來到底會還是不會 |
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包括基改食品包括標示等等現行已經在走的都在走那農業部的立場是絕對保護台灣農業安全那也絕對不會犧牲台灣的農業妳嘴巴這是標準妳這是官方的標準答案但是到底會不會會不會再進一步處理包括基改的食品問題 |
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我想保護國人健康這件事情是我們 |
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不會進來 你現在還是不能講就對了會不會你不敢講 那就是等於是不能講好 那美方這一次還有提出包括在國際媒體其實包括這一次巨大的事件前一陣子也認定說我們對於移工的強迫勞動等等包括我們這一次在國際勞工團體我們也高度被點名包括還有一些其他國外的媒體我們也被點名 |
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所以我要請問就是說在經濟部在巨大的案子之後勞動部有沒有做好相關的因應準備包括未來我們的產業會不會涉及強迫勞動而遭到貿易的限制等等 |
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跟委員報告 其實這個強迫勞動的議題它是一個國際的議題我們已經在呼籲國內的這些做出口外銷的這些產業要提前因應所以這個已經勞動部還有經濟部這邊我們也共同已經在跟你提前因應你的輔導你的配套措施是什麼 |
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我讲台积电台积电在台湾我们毛利率可能都比美国高美国毛利率只有8%嘛那在台湾台积电毛利率好像还有三成左右三成三成多左右这个就是差异性啊这对台湾的这些半导体产业有很高的影响是 |
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所以你的因應策略是什麼你不是嘴巴政府只告訴你要因應 你要因應你車子一直往前在開但是我們國內的產業如果沒有做好配套所以政府沒有輔導你短期的可能是用補助或用其他的措施或者你在談判過程當中你必須要談說必須給我們的勞工產業多一點的時間準備你要幫他爭取你不是因應馬上 |
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國內的各個產業全部毛利率馬上就降低所以我們會來爭取我知道勞動部也會發布相關的指引然後來協助我們產業能夠來做因應我們經濟部這邊的話我們也開了很多場的一個說明會我們也會讓我們的廠商能夠了解強迫勞動到底有哪些criteria |
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你這個做法他們能不能做的你我心之斷其心之渡民可能需要一些時間還有相關的配套措施做準備我要再一次我最後我要提醒我今天時間這個議題今天的議題很重要很大我要再次提醒在這一次我們未來MOU我們有2500億要到美國投資水巴講講就是說我們不用出任何錢就像父母買房小孩買房子父母做貸款一樣父母做信用保證一樣 |
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比照現在國發會的信用的機制國發會的信用機制我們的國發基金還有民間的金融銀行也是要相對拿錢出來投資對不對也要嘛目前國發會的國發會也有嘛所以不要在網路上給我洗說2500億我們政府都不用出錢金融機構都不用出錢當然要國發基金現在的投資 |
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以100億的台幣專款來說有60%我們就要提撥然後民間要投資40%那未來如果2500億的話我們至少要有100億的準備金放進去投資投資有賺有賠不是所有過去美國投資的都是AAA的公司我們當然希望都是當然也會有風險 |
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但是接下來這些其實就是我們擔憂的那另外一塊所有的金融業我們如果做了這些投資對於國內重大經濟的投資會不會有其他排擠的效果 |
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其他的排解的效果會不會有跟委員報告其實這個是不用擔心的金管會還是經濟部可以回應我們經濟部其實在投資招商這個部分從目前來看其實像包括像美光還有NVIDIA這些國際的大廈都已經在投資台灣我們政府的投資政府的投資也好民間銀行的投資也好金融機構的投資也好它能投資的金額都有限不管對國內跟國外我們以前都是對鼓勵國內的投資 |
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我們現在撥了大筆的經費金額到國外去投資會不會對國內的發展產業的發展會有投資這個排擠的效果會不會有其實是不會的不會我們現在看到台積電還是在台灣繼續加大投資所以這個是很確定的我講的是國內其他產業要貸款喔 |
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會不會戴不到不好戴不會的因為中小企業信保基金是另外的這一次的我們對美的投資的專款它是有別於中小企業信保基金的所以不會排擠到我們台灣政府對中小企業的支持 |
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我覺得40%的半導體到美國去投資我們看得非常清楚接下來產業的空洞化還有台灣其他的產業如何去做更多的扶植我們是不是有足夠的 |
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晶圓留在台灣做其他台灣產業的投資我覺得這方方面面有太多我覺得我們今天在這邊我們都要去做更多的思考跟討論我也期待在這一塊賴總統不是只有開一場記者會我們各部會有更多的責任必須要交代清楚後續包括MOU後續包括沒有交代清楚其他產業的衝擊是什麼你們的短中長期的配套措施是什麼都要交代 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝李燕秀委員市長請回接下來我們請鍾嘉斌委員質詢 |
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主席 在場的委員先進列席的政務機關所長官員會場工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生我們有請經濟部何次長請何次長然後主計總處陳主計長還有農業部的杜次長以及經貿談判辦公室的徐執行秘書徐執行秘書依序來請教這幾位杜次長中委員好 |
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次長好 我們這次關稅降到15%聽說傳產也共同受惠但是如果預算也不省 關稅協議也不過那會誰受害呢 我們來看一下有一個說法已經講了一年多了就說台積電會變成美積電請問次長你怎麼看這樣的說法經過這樣的一個協議談判之後台積電會變美積電嗎台灣金融海誌你說 |
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這絕對不會的因為台積電我剛提到台積電在台灣的投資其實還是不斷的在加碼8成多 產能8成多而且按照我們的統計到2030年台積電在5奈米以下的產能在台灣會是在8成5我們簡短這些公司這9家公司是怎樣是在未來在美國的台灣模式的共同供應鏈嗎 |
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这些都是在美国投资的吧有些是美国公司对不对对 是好 请问一下美光美光买了一个利基电美光会变成台光吗没有所以你说怎么解释这次在我们半导体产业经过台美协议谈判之后这些半导体的大哥们他们到底会形成怎么样的一个产业关系呢 |
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其实这个就可以看得出来其实半导体这个产业它需要是一个全球布局台美而且跟欧盟日本这些合作的这样的一个生态系我们必须要把它建立起来来 那我们看一下台美半导体是相辅相成那传产 传统产业也可以顺入共成吗这里面谈到的所谓的15%不叠加谈到了未来有232还有最优惠待遇我想请教一下往下看 |
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哪些傳統產業的競爭力不降反增因為人家說船廠現在很虛弱好的都是海盜半導體電子產業汽車零組件 自行車 塑膠 工具機手工具 水五金 醫療器材還有機械這些未來的競爭力怎麼樣市長你怎麼看是 這些都是受惠的產業受惠 為什麼說要受惠因為它的關稅大幅降低了不是從0變成15 還是怎麼樣 |
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我們來看一下是不是跟大聯盟我們台灣的船廠跟大聯盟哪些德國 日本 韓國 歐盟這些都是大聯盟對不對過去我們的工具機是不是跟人家相較起來我們的 |
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稅都是比較高 對相較於歐盟 韓國 德國 日本都是15%這是我們談到的結果你覺得跟大聯盟我們相較之下我們有沒有劣勢我們絕對沒有劣勢好 所以這次的結果我們降到跟他們一樣15%來 我們來看小聯盟好了我們的手工具 水五金 塑膠製品 自行車跟墨西哥 越南 中國競爭 |
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我們現在降到15%了對不對這些國家呢 怎麼樣他們這些國家的稅率還是蠻高的所以我們跟大聯盟並駕齊驅跟小聯盟拉開距離是不是這樣子是好 那我們往下看來 接下來我們請主席長主席長主席長已經先離開好 那現在是 |
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7813.169 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
7831.181 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
蔡副主席很抱歉預算不審誰倒楣我們請教一下今年度的預算規模是不是3兆0351億3兆0351億沒錯啦那其中相較於去年我們多增加了新興計畫還有延續計畫的新增額度是不是增加了2992億你對著麥克風講請說現在我們現在 |
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7846.874 |
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目前在野黨說透過預算法54條要先放行718億是不是等同砍掉了76%幹掉了2000多億這2000多億未來有機會用嗎有沒有辦法使用如果預算不省這2000多億還能用嗎 |
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沒辦法用了嘛所以包括我們永續的人才資源發展AI 自動導航等等這些都會延到我們國家數位轉型來往下看好 這些其他的部會社安網2.0我們的社工人員要加薪我們的關懷訓練要拓展我們所有的增額人才要增加還能做嗎為了少子女化長照社會救助伸張這些新計畫能做嗎 |
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有沒有錢做 如果預算不審可以過嗎就是新增的就不能做新增的都不能做 是不是這些強化社會安全網第二期有400億然後再來這些本來從400億變成819億擴增了新增的對象 獨居老人 新手父母 近貧人口受侵害者 這些人的服務都沒有了 是這樣嗎 |
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我們從400億變成819億新政要做的都不能做了是這樣嗎總的來講2992億就是影響經濟成長率1.1個百分點OK 好啦我們的腳本好像不太一樣來往下看我來問你好無人機科研中小企業賽事跟場館這些我們主席總書有沒有盤點這些都還能做嗎運動部 |
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經濟部因為今天的運動部沒有人來你可以待會回答嗎這還能做嗎只要是新增的或者NC線的計畫比去年多增加的所以你就是很清楚的告訴大家新增的都做不了了啦2990而已除了718億他們放贏了之外其他的都空了來我們請到杜次長農業部我們屏東農業縣我們關心的來 |
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| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
7980.237 |
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如果關稅協議我們不用審查通過誰會受害我請教一下台灣目前對美銷售的出口的是什麼有毛豆 蝴蝶籃 鱸魚 烏龜魚跟鬼頭刀所有出口主要產品都受害目前我們這些出口的價值過去在我們的出口占比美國市場很重要對不對美國是我們第一農產品出口市場所以美國是我們第一農產品市場好 那往下看如果我們這次關稅協議過了 |
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那跟我們的主要競爭國 您覺得呢我們的毛豆跟中國競爭 蝴蝶蘭跟加拿大競爭鱸魚跟中國 土耳其競爭吳郭魚還有越南 印尼跟中國 鬼頭刀跟厄瓜多如果我們這次貿易談判協議通過了你覺得對我們農民 蘇美是利多嗎當然是利多 所以一定要維持現在食物而且不疊加的狀況最好 |
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所以我們這次的台美關稅談判不是只有半導體全球佈局成功多營連我們的船產也受惠連我們的農產品也需要對不對完全需要好那接下來我要請我們的徐執行秘書是委員號來這些問題呢你不見得現在都能答得完你試著答答看跟美國的關稅談判哪些國家已經完成了關稅協議完成了簽訂有沒有 |
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完成簽訂的是像柬埔寨跟馬來西亞這個是確定的已經完成簽訂了 是的好 那這些國家跟美國的關稅協議在他們國內是照案通過嗎我們目前的了解應該是大部分都照案通過不是 你說那兩個 馬來西亞跟誰馬來西亞跟柬埔寨柬埔寨 那他們是照案通過嗎是他們國內照案通過嗎 |
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對不起 請委員再說一次來 我問你哪些國家已經跟美國完成關稅協議的簽訂是你說有兩個國家嗎柬埔寨跟馬來西亞那這些國家他們跟美國的關稅協定的簽訂在他們國內的國會是召喚通過嗎這部分我們再確認一下但我們的了解應該是都召喚通過 對有沒有重談沒有重談好 如果關稅協議回到各國的國內去審查有更改要不要重談 |
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如果有更改就沒有辦法生效能不能重談要看雙方目前有沒有哪個國家因為跟美國談妥了回到自己的國會國會有意見要更改有沒有這樣的情形有沒有發生的目前沒有看到目前跟美國的關稅談判已經敲定了結果回到國會裡面 |
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有沒有哪個國家的國會因為他反對要修改而造成協定沒有辦法簽訂沒有辦法生效 有沒有目前還沒有看到你會希望看到是台灣嗎 |
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站在台曼辦公室的立場希望不要那我先問你假設你剛剛講到了如果未來我們國會對於台曼團隊談來的這個台美的關稅協議或者協定有任何的修改你剛剛說了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
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就無法生效那無法生效我剛剛講了農業會受損 船廠會受損半導體我們要擴大對全世界的市場的佈局但是如果發生這種情況我們有沒有機會重談你說他看對方那我再問你 假設可以重談你有把握談出更好的條件嗎 |
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謝謝委員關心但我們可不可以不要回答假設性的問題不要回答假設性的問題對 行政部門來講是比較困難是比較困難是 抱歉所以你不認為我們需要重談你也不認為重談有機會談得更好是這樣嗎 |
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你是不是希望維持現在的協議能夠簽訂能夠生效站在行政部門的立場是的所以你認為目前這個協議簽訂生效是對台灣的最佳狀況也是對美國的最佳狀況 |
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是好目前為止已經簽訂生效的兩個國家他的國會並沒有做協議做任何的更改不然的話就不能生效了對不對是那現在還在進行已經敲定了回到國內再談的國家你有沒有聽說哪個國家有國會要去修改去影響他們談定的這個內容有沒有目前沒有目前沒有好那我希望談判辦公室要好好的告訴國人 |
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我們現在談來的結果再重述一次就經濟部來講我們這次的半導體產業是能夠跟先進國我們同時的形成全球佈局擴大台灣的影響力對不對 何市長是不是這樣是的好 然後就我們的傳產來講我們有效的降低過去比較高關稅我們跟大聯盟並駕齊驅我們跟小聯盟拉開差距對我們傳產是有利的對不對對杜市長 那如果說這個協議生效 |
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那對我們農業出口美國是有幫助的對不對具有優勢具有優勢而且優勢加強了對不對好 所以就這些議場來講希望談判辦公室跟國人號說明如果這個協議不能夠國會完全的審定通過完全生效對台灣是不利的執行長是不是這樣好 謝謝好 謝謝鍾嘉賓委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
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謝謝 接下來請賴會員委員質詢謝謝主席那個大會報告我跟羅明財委員對調因為羅明財委員等一下帶來的歡樂氣氛他說股市三萬點所以要請吃雞排然後再來咖啡 |
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| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
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還有珍奶然後還有今年就是到三萬點所以就是說他要還有一個那個金顏寶那裡面是牛軋糖那如果股市四萬點他再外加面膜 |
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| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
謝謝羅明財委員謝謝主席大家今年的福利謝謝請主席我們的經貿談判辦公室徐子密請徐子密還有我們國花會高部主委對 副主委還有我們財政部部長財政部中部長還有農業部次長農業部杜次長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
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是 大家好首先非常恭喜也謝謝1月15號台美談判關稅達成了協議等於是台灣對等關稅調降為15%這個對台灣的整體經濟而言的確是一個非常正面的一個訊息在這裡也要感謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
8399.578 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
那個談判團隊的一個辛苦跟努力那我要再一次提醒我們的政府就是說本席來自於台南的西北我們是一個非常鄉下的一個選區這個地方它其實是以農業為主 |
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那所有的焦點我們都放在這個半導體跟高科技產業是不是我們絕對不能忽略的到一個現實台灣不是只有高科技的一個產業其實支撐就業的還是地方的一個經濟那還有包括大量的中小企業跟農業 |
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所以關稅的調整不再是少數的一個產業的有感那對於前面市場的一個影響跟產業的一個分布我想這個都是非常重要的好 那個我在這裡請教那個就是執行秘書談判的結果已經出來了那談判的所有的一個底線你都知道嗎 |
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是向委員報告就是說除了日前1月16號簽署的投資MOU之外那之後還有一份台美對等貿易協定這個目前在做這個文字的核對還有清單項目的核對當中那簽署完成我們就會一起送國會好 徐秘書顯然就是你對談判的一個過程裡頭我們的底線你是非常了解的 |
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那在這裡我想請教你就是說所有的一個投資5000億的一個投資還是2500億的投資2500億的一個信用保障的投資那到底是怎麼樣講才是最清楚的你用最簡單的一個語言來跟大家做一個報告 |
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有关于投资MOU的投资承诺部分它是两个性质不同的投资第一个2500亿是企业自主规划它因为要接近市场接近客户的需求它自主做的2500亿投资第二个2500亿是政府建立信用保证机制来支持金融机构来支援这个企业它在受信上 |
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這個有需求那它的上限是2500億美元所以它這個是性質不同的資本好 徐秘書那我再請教你就是說政府的信用保證的2500億就是表示不是政府拿2500億去投資而是當企業要到國外投資的時候我們需要銀行的一個保證是不是這樣子的一個簡單的白話文的講法 |
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是的 简单来说就是说我是企业当我是企业我拿100亿的时候去投资的时候相对的我也可以从银行端去借到100亿的一个投资变成是200亿的投资是不是这样子 |
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是 然後這個借的100億裡面它有一部分它希望是能夠用這個信用保證機制這樣子銀行才方便借給企業所以信用保證機制是這樣來的好 謝謝那我請那個國安會那個副主委 |
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我想就針對的就是剛才我們在討論的信保機制那未來會在國家融資的保證機構下去運作那誠如你們這樣講的這個保證的一個專款如果不足的話那該怎麼辦 |
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基本上我們現在預估2500億的金融機構對企業的受信我們如果用保證成數保證倍數是15到20倍保證成數是50到60百分比的話大概是62.5到100億之間我們會分五期基本上每一期現在大概300到400億 |
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台幣左右我覺得我們會分期的由國發基金跟公股跟民營銀行共同來出資來做保證專款因為對銀行來說因為他可以得到受信的機會所以其實他某個程度上也有參與保證專款的運用因為他會有一些受信的客戶的來源 |
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好 副主委我可不可以這樣請教你就是說你們把高科技產業到美國去投資的風險評估了這麼低所以才敢開出這麼高的一個槓桿風險是因為你們非常有把握 |
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可以這樣講嗎我可以跟委員報告其實有就算2500億的企業自主投資你知道我們其實像台積電的話它其實它自有資金非常的充裕它可能也不需要參與我們這些國家融資保證機制的保證 |
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而且他也可以用公司債的方式來做投資然後國際信貸的方式其實他是非常非常多元的本來就相對的不只是台積電這是我們所有看到的資料就是說基本上台積電在美國現有的一個投資我們看得到的一個資料1650億甚至在微創微創也超過了10億以上的一個投資那還有就鴻海廣達 |
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其實就很多科技產業事實上他們公司本身就主有就是更多的一個資金現有的資金所以你不會就是要讓供股行庫來買單吧就是說他也許不需要用到我們國家的融資保證機制所以供股行庫也沒有什麼表現的機會 |
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也就是說我們是支持其他需要國家融資保證的企業它來做協助金融機構來做授信的行為好 謝謝我想在這裡這相對的一個問題再請教財政部部長就是說去年的稅收我們出現了短缺短徵的一個狀況我們看到了貨物稅跟營業稅營業稅少收了至少 |
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至少那個500億以上那這樣子關稅再一次的調降那財政部有沒有評估就是說有沒有機會有回升的空間 |
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跟委員報告我想對於稅收的評估我們會整體的評估國內的一個政經的情勢來做核實的評估那我想關稅的一個這一次的談判結果降為15%而且不疊加以及232這個條款以後我們獲得最優惠的一個待遇的國家這個對我們的產業來說是很大的鼓勵那相對的如果產業獲利能夠增加的話那稅收自然也會成長 |
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來 部長 我想請教你 為什麼稅收會變少咧委員報告 稅收並沒有變少 只是時增數跟預算數之間的一個差異那我要跟委員報告就是說 我們以中央來說的話我們114年的預算數比113年的預算數增加了4705億 成長20.3% |
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而且我们这个预算数还比113年的时增数增加到947亿所以我们今年的时增114年的时增数虽然跟预算数之间有差异但是事实上是比113年的时增数还是高的还是高的 |
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是高的所以說你評估115年如果這個關稅我們把它調到15%談到15%其實對未來我們的貨物稅跟那個營業稅其實會再有回升的空間因為今年我們該在這個關稅談判的過程當中有一些我們該搶的訂單我們不敢搶該買的該下的訂單沒有過來是不是這樣子呢你有沒有把握就是115年我們其實是有可能是回升的 |
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115年的稅收跟委員報告有一個很大一塊就是中央統籌分配稅款擴大很多也就是財化法的修正以後中央對地方要增加支出4000多億達到8000多億所以對中央稅收來說是會比114年來的少因為財化法的關係讓中央整個稅收是下降的 |
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是 財化法的影響會讓整體的稅收是降低的會讓我們預期稅收是好 謝謝部長那接著我們請農業部杜文貞次長我想次長簡單的一句話就是說黃豆 小麥 薏米都承諾就是說在這一次的談判裡頭會那個就是說會增加都必須要增加 增購那是不是守得住稻米呢 |
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應該這樣說黃小玉其實不是我們承諾會增加而是在去年其實依照著民間工協會他們自己的例行的規劃因為國內蓄勤水產業的增加所以他們對於黃小玉的需求有增加所以去年農訪團其實不是政府出錢也不是政府來主導而是民間的工協會他們就產業需求去徵購黃小玉市長 我想我最關心的就是說稻米的這一個底線守得住嗎 |
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守得住嗎 我想委員長期支持你看喔 你這個黃曉益已經是多買了喔那美牛 美豬 還有玫瑰車 美國米是不是就是說你已經是大量開放了喔那我們的稻米守得住嗎這個是很多農民關心的 很多地方政府關心的委員長期支持農業 也知道農業部該要守住的我們一定會守住 |
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沒有你這個太模糊了我覺得你就是應該守住謝謝委員所以你會守住該守住的我們都會守住那當然是應該啊是當然是應該啊你才是5%的一個這個那個稻米的一個關稅而已啊所以就是說你開放開放了那個美國米到這裡的時候其實基本上這個影響不大你們還是要像以往的一個慣例把它守住啦你的那個供 |
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公糧的收購價格的話你就是維持不變嘛是不是這樣子我想該要維持我們的那個重要產業的那就是該維持啊那就是該維持你的公糧價格就是要維持不變是不是這個樣子呢該要守住的我們都會守住 |
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該守住的都要守住所以就是說公股的價格也不會改變然後美豬的萊克多巴胺的這個數據你也會一樣守住是不是該要守護國人健康這個SPS的規定也不會變 |
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動植物防疫檢疫的標準也不會變不會變好那我也希望就是說基本上你守住了那我們的蝴蝶蘭這個15%的一個關稅其實對我們來講沒有之前想像的這麼難過沒有想像中這麼嚴重還是有點壓力所以怎麼讓我們產業更有競爭力這是要持續做對那起碼不是像我們當初想的是32% |
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那這起碼就是對很多的一個農業產業來講的話是一個非常好的一個信息謝謝委員支持那再一次謝謝大家我們也希望就是保障這個食安的安全農民的這一個收益謝謝 謝謝主席好 謝謝接下來請林思明 林昭偉質詢 |
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好 謝謝主席我先請國發會高副主委還有經濟部何次長還有金管會彭主委好 各位好 |
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我想針對我們台美關稅貿易的協議內容站在我們在野黨監督的一個立場我們還是必須對相關談判的結果提出我們的看法以及我們相關的問題來詢問各位 |
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有關台美關稅貿易協議的內容卓院長在1月20號的記者會對外一再地強調2500億美元是國內企業直接自主地投資2500億2500億美元是政府運用信用保證的一個機制但是我們看到美國的商務部長盧特尼他對外說 |
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台湾的对美投资这2500亿加2500亿这只是头期款他们的目标是要将台湾40%的半导体供应链转移到美国所以我请问国发会主委你认为 |
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美國除了要2500加2500億美金的一個投資以外而且要將他的目標設定把台灣40%的半導體供應鏈轉移到美國站在國家發展的角色上這樣是否會造成對台灣整體產業經濟的外移以及我們人才流失的一個疑慮 |
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會不會有這樣的一個疑慮我跟委員報告基本上2500億是企業自主的投資當然投資的對象美方希望我們去的是半導體跟AI的伺服器供應鏈可是第一個40%的半導體供應鏈如果按照現在投資設廠的方式來說我想經濟部有說最多最多到2032年只會有20%的 |
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這些先進製程會在美國落地然後基本上 我想我剛才有講到其實最近因為所謂的AI基礎建設的快速的發展其實我們知道那個需求非常殷切台積電已經變成全球第六大市值的企業了所以它不可能只在台灣它必須要做全球佈局 |
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全球布局裡面如果我們要接近所謂的我們的客戶的需求的話我們台積電有74%的客戶在北美所以美國的確是我們所謂的半導體跟AI伺服器它要做全球布局最好的地方主委 這個妳一再強調過了我想妳針對 |
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當然這是你一個面向的看法但是我剛才提到了這個是否會造成我們產業的外移以及我們人才流失這樣的疑慮你針對這個問題來回答好不好我們會知道說如果我們跟台美的供應鏈更鞏固的時候其實我們剛才經濟部也講到其實我們同步如果我們同步在國內 |
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台積電它國內有十億座的晶圓廠同時在建然後相對其實在美國的六座我們剛才講到2032年最多只有20%的財源而且它獲利增加的時候它資本支出就會增加然後資本支出增加的話其實對國內的投資的設廠反而是更為有利所以我們要從動態的整體觀點來看 |
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我們赴美投資的這件事情不是我們直接去扣掉我們要投資的金額而是它會有一個反向回饋的作用它會增加企業的獲利企業的獲利的資本支出就會增加資本支出增加也會增加在台灣的投資是那個主委我想妳也是沒回答到我的問題我告訴妳一個事實 |
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其實如果說這個台積電到美國投資或者其他的相關的產業鏈到美國這整個會造成我們人才很多都要赴美工作其實在新竹地區很多的這些相關的從業的工程師他都告訴我其實他們很可能以後就要遷移到國外 |
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他可能就要移民到美國去在那邊就是跟著整個公司在那邊生存發展所以我們造成很多人才要過去所以造成說整個我們培養的人才到美國而我們相關的我們人才的培育能夠銜接得上嗎 |
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這個都是我們要考量的我跟委員說其實大家也滿關心這些人才東進的這個議題第一個其實我們的研發核心的研發團隊絕對還會留在國內然後第二個其實企業赴海外設廠我們實際上我們有利於吸引全球人才為台廠所用譬如說台積電跟德國的薩克森邦德已經共同推動了一個台德半導體的人才培育計畫 |
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所以我透過全球佈局其實我可以把全球的半導體跟AI的人才吸引到台灣來其實也會為我們所用那固然我們全球佈局當然有些人會到其他國家去其實要培養一個半導體整個產業鏈的這些工程師這個是台灣努力很久的一個成果 |
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所以說如果我們的這些高階工程師都因為陪著要到美國設廠他們也要跟著過去我們要重新培育一批這些高科技的工程師跟人才我想這是一個很大的工程所以我覺得說你還是要很誠懇的告訴國人這樣子我們未來我們國發會要怎麼樣做人才的一個佈局我想這部分除了你剛才講的以外因為這聽起來好像 |
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馬上把國外的人力要引過來是這樣嗎世界上現在我們最強的就是台灣的工程師是最強的那我們還要引進外國的工程師進來嗎應該是這樣說我想AI的創新發展基礎建設擴大我覺得所有不只是台灣所有的國家都是要從育才 留才 攬才我想我要告訴你 |
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我想竹科的工程師他們被迫舉家要遷移到美國所以這個是對整個台灣的半導體供應鏈不管是公司也好或者人才外移到美國實際上對我們台灣的矽頓產業是產生很大的影響所以我想問你到底我們現在政府是否有看到台灣的第二座護國神山我們有第二座護國神山嗎 |
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除了半導體產業以外我想軍工跟這些國家經濟安全比如說航太等等這個產業這個都是AI附隨的一個產業應該是我們槓桿我們AI的經濟優勢我想這個都跟半導體有關跟晶片業都有關所以我們還是要去誠懇的呼籲政府 |
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我們一再對川普政府的這種談判的條件我覺得我們是一再的在讓步我們都表同意剛才當然鍾嘉明委員講談判的結果是對我們許多的產業是正面的我們是也很樂意看到這樣一個15%不疊加的一個關稅但是我們從另外一個面向我還是希望政府能思考 |
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如果這樣無條件的去接受川普的要求會帶來台灣整個產業以及人才流失的影響你們也要去思考好不好我想謝謝委員的提醒這週一是我們關注的議題謝謝主委 接下來請經濟部 |
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市長 我們經濟部對外說到2036年半導體的先進製程的佔比仍然是台灣80% 美國20%剛才主委也有提到我想請問部長經濟部這樣的說法是根據什麼樣的事實或者理論 |
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跟委員報告其實這個部分就是我們把台積電現在規劃中的還有現在建廠中的我們都把它加總起來得出了這樣的一個結果但是我們看到中進院的院長連前銘他在上個禮拜1月22號對外說再怎麼努力 |
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川普在任內台積電的先進製程應該不到15%的產能會在美國生產所以部長 何次長就算如果中經院說了只有15%的產能會移到美國經濟部 你有去評估這樣的產能外移對未來台灣的經濟成長率與就業環境會有怎麼樣的影響嗎 |
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這15%的半導體的技術的外移除了這15%以外你能夠保證說未來不會有下一個15%嗎跟我們報告其實這是產線所以 |
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半導體最重要的大腦都還是在台灣所以它為了要接近客戶所以把整個產線到接近客戶的地方去做生產其實這個是我們一個產業其實市長你說為了要接近客戶我也可以很告訴你我們跟很多朋友在討論其實留在台灣更有競爭力你把整個廠移到美國以後這些人就不用到美國跟美國廠買就好啦 |
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台灣的半導體這些廠商還有競爭力嗎所以他們到美國繳稅就好了所以我現在是搞不懂你的邏輯在哪裡一直說整個到美國是造成整個把跟美國什麼投資美國是協助我們台灣的半導體在美國的一個產業實力的一個延伸聽起來很美好啦 |
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但是未來是不是這樣我覺得這個是值得觀察我要講得很實在因為大多數的人都有這樣的一個疑慮所以你現在講說是台灣是仍然是到2036台灣仍然80%美國仍然20%是的其實我們很擔心即便說到2036美國是20%所以我剛才問你是不是不只未來就是即便說是2036 20%2036以後 |
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是不是又會又來一個百分之二十的產能又要轉移到美國因為川普就好 這個虛所無度你壯大美國 但是你卻弱化台灣 |
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會不會有這樣的一個可能發生我想半導體產業它全球佈局是勢在必行的哪邊有商機其實在那個台積電大概就會往那個地方去移動我想我們的推估是有跟這個事實這樣的一個評估的這樣的一個基礎 |
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所以也不見得說這樣的一個外移會讓我們台灣的產業可能就是弱化了反而我們可以用當地的人力然後當地的資源然後再來就是說我們可以接近客戶可以提供最好的最佳的這樣的一個服務所以這個是一個全球化這個世界級企業很重要的一個發展的一個策略 |
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OK 這是政府的一個對相關政策的一個說法另外經濟部投審師在1月15號公布2025年全年外資來台投資的金額是大概113.9億美元沒有錯吧是相較於我們關稅談判後政府必須規劃2500億美元的信用保證藉以促進台灣企業到美國增加投資 |
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所以我請問部長跟國發會的主委這兩個數字說白一點就是造成我們將會有2386.1億美金的一個貿易逆差鼓勵產業外移所以對於國家發展或者是經濟成長這次談判的結果難道政府不就是在幫忙美國壯大弱化台灣嗎 |
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你信外資進來只有100多億你要叫2500億出去外投資這不是一年就2500億這個是逐年這個赴美投資它是一個每一年這樣的累積的過程所以它絕對不會是說一下子就把所有的資金全部都投資在美國當然是逐年逐年是 |
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當然我們就是整個數據看起來就是說這樣子可能就是造成我們整個產業都跑到美國這個跑到美國之後我們還要必須觀察到一個問題這個是否會造成我們失業人口的增加 |
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因為新竹 大新竹地區桃竹苗因為這個台積電的相關的這些產業鏈我們的不管是房價或者是這些民生物價都是全台第一名所得也是全台第一名但是我們目前觀察到 |
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就是因為很多人憂心就是說如果台積電出走很可能就造成這幾個地區相關的產業這個相關的不管是民生物價或者是房價都會造成一個下跌的一個情況大家有這樣的一個憂心還有我們的整個技術是不是也會造成說外流的一個影響所以政府 |
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對於這些相關的一個議題你們有沒有任何防備補救的規劃還是政府你還要依靠什麼去吸引外國人來投資呢是 跟委員報告其實就台積電的佈局他絕對是把這個最重要的研發中心放在台灣另外就是說他到國外的產線他一定是最先進的製程在台灣量產之後他才會到海外去 |
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所以我們現在也針對我們希望說是朝你這個目標去邁進但是我剛才提到這些問題我想我們站在在野的立場我們還是要提出來了請政府要審慎的思考好不好好 以上 謝謝好 謝謝 |
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好 接下來我們請羅明財委員質詢主席 |
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在場的各位委員 包括歷任的李燕秀委員新任的李委員 陳清輝陳委員在座的各位官員 大家早安 大家好可不可以請 |
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主席請台灣有兩隻龍兩隻龍飛舞在台灣讓台灣有龍整個經濟一閃一閃亮晶晶先請央行的楊金龍 楊總裁請楊總裁金管會彭主委 |
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那其他待會也請財政部莊部長還有國家發展委員會的高副主委還有財團法人周小切信保基金的魏銘古魏董事長董事長那個總裁你好是我想過去啊 |
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我們一直在立法院不斷的財委部努力打拚希望可以看到台灣經濟的亮點可以找到台灣成長的動力股市是經濟的櫥窗今天好不容易看到股市飛躍萬點兩萬點現在已經上了三萬點三萬點不曉得 |
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現在後續兵五年馬年就要到了總裁你覺得台灣的股市會繼續有亮點嗎我覺得這一次股市的亮點還是在科技股當然這一次的經貿談判的關稅對我們的傳產也有利多 |
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所以基本上恐怕传产因为过去一年来讲的话我们传产的一个股市不是很好但是也许它会慢慢的会好一点我们希望说股市虽然 |
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占上了三萬點可是有很多的傳統產業或是中小企業得不到政府關愛的眼神所以本題今天講因為以前每萬點大概我們與會的財經官員以前有吃過以前都準備了雞排還有喝過 有有有 吃過 珍奶今天上一萬點增加一個 |
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就是金元寶希望台灣人民面對未來的經濟可以天天吃到飽因為這次股市雖然漲到了三萬點很多人沒有看好 沒有跟好所以我們金榮老師在講有時候大家要注意聽接著請彭主委 |
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彭主委 你也是金融不是 我是金融兩個都是金融不過我們都是為台灣的經濟在努力看到了台灣股市上了三萬點我覺得你的福氣跟運氣也不錯以前有人站在那個地方不漲就是不漲你來了以後拚命漲 |
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新的一年還會不會持續這樣的一個進勢這樣的進道繼續持續向上 |
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我想謝謝委員對台灣的祝福我想其實上我們身為金管會我們不會對未來市場做任何的預測我想我在很多的委員會的時候也都說過這句話那我們是一個市場資訊充沛揭露維持市場的公平大概是這樣的做法我們當然期待我們台灣的經濟持續的 |
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能夠向上因為不管剛才陳儒剛才委員提到的我們的資本市場是我們經濟的櫥窗不管怎麼樣最後一定是反映我們的基本面好 謝謝大家都知道金管會很重要他們請政企局的高金平高局長臺灣證券交易所的林修銘林董事長李愛玲總經理以及歐斯基的簡立中林董事長簡董還有陳立青陳總經理 |
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簡董事長上市上規公司1850家每一家都代表很多股民的殷切的期盼所以我想請教一下林董事長昨天101很熱鬧創紀錄噴燈高峰台灣股市會不會繼續在持續走牛市 |
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我想台灣的股市的發展充分的顯現我們現在產業在世界上的地位那外資的持股也事實上也達到了蠻高的點大概快到48%所以基本上來講我覺得產業的發展我們持著蠻樂觀的角度因為這個世界上的競爭力在全世界競爭力裡面短期是無法取代的所以我們也看到資本市場 |
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這段時間以來的動能事實上比以前更加強烈現在的開戶數有多少它實際上的開戶數是一千三四百戶但是有不同的券商一個有兩個三個帳戶都有 |
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我们希望说新的一年强强困希望能做大台湾的交易市场我们面向全球过去央行也可能比较保守未来证券交易所需不希望台湾人拥有一个以比特币或者虚拟货币计价的一个交易市场 |
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事實上來講台灣證券交易所對於邁向國際的交易所跟國際的競爭對於各個世界上的交易所的未來的發展我們都在研議中所以包括委員你關心的事實上也很多不只這個產品端事實上制度端 交易端 發行端的一些政策的發展事實上我們都一直都在密切的關切並且在研議 |
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好 我們希望新的一年是秉武年 馬年希望所有台灣的股民每個人都馬上發財好不好好 謝謝委員的期許好 一起繼續來努力讓台灣的所有股市上市櫃公司的能見度全世界可以看得到那你擔不擔心這個關稅的問題對整個未來所有的這些上市櫃公司的影響 |
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事實上這次關稅的談判基本上來講的話我們覺得還蠻有信心的我覺得從這段時間以來股市的表現我們可以看到一些數字事實上也給予一些肯定好 謝謝當沖降稅需不需要再延長 |
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當沖降稅我們希望當然能夠延長那我們也希望能夠常態化因為事實上來講的話這個量是一個非常重要對資本市場一個非常重要的一個活水那我們也希望台灣的資本市場不只在事實上的增加以外我們在流動量的部分來講的話也能夠跟國際一樣的重要謝謝 |
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本黨主席鄭麗文政主席他說新的一年是和解愛台灣拼經濟的一年所以我們希望大家面對經濟的問題不要有成見只要對台灣好的我們一定全力來推動所以現在是麻煩昭偉我們現場的 |
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李燕秀理委員 李坤澄委員還有陳清輝澄委員我們是不是請所有的官員前面有雞排 有珍奶自己取用順便自己拿一個元寶祝福大家新年快樂 馬年興大運馬上發財 謝謝謝謝樓民財委員 |
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羅民財委員特別準備了200份我們現場的記者媒體朋友待會大家也可以一起來共享這個經濟的一個股市傷亂點的一個成果來我們現在先休息還有李坤城召委一起來召委 召委 |
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大家往後一點 |
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好 來五四三 |
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我們在一分鐘繼續開會 請大家陸續進述也謝謝榮民財委員慷慨解囊請珍奶是不是移到後面去發 好不好 |
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珍珠奶茶請茶水間的同仁來協助發放珍珠奶茶 |
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好 我們大家請就位再次感謝羅民財委員 大家掌聲謝謝好 |
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好 大家都準備好了那我們接下來請李坤城召委質詢 |
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謝謝主席我們請財政部莊部長經貿談判辦公室徐執密請莊部長徐執密經濟部何次長何次長國發會的高副主委高副主委 |
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好 謝謝當然首先先謝謝羅委員今天因為股市上三萬點請大家吃雞排那我也希望這個在野黨的委員能夠早一點讓總預算能夠通過總預算能夠早一點附委通過我相信我們的股市一定還會再漲很快就可以再輪到我們羅明山委員再請一次雞排但是前提是總預算要先讓我們過好不好 |
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再拜託一下我先請教一下莊部長好了莊部長昨天那一個美國的自由攀登的好手Alex爬上101你有沒有看這個直播有看有看直播這個應該也是看得心驚膽跳不過我這邊要肯定我們傑奧文傑董事長 |
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因為他說他把101外面的五根旗幟全部都換成我們中華民國的國旗所以Netflix不管你從哪個角度拍都可以拍到中華民國的國旗是一個非常成功的行銷台灣我覺得做得非常好我覺得這個要給蔣永傑董事長要肯定他 要稱讚他 |
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那这个也做了一个大胆的决定但是结果对于台湾整体的形象来讲是非常好的那我请教一下部长我们这一次请Alex来攀登101财政部或是101有没有花到任何钱 |
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沒有 101也沒有提供任何經費還有贊助或資金這各方面的支持只是提供場地 然後做相關的協調跟宣傳那財政部也更沒有出資了完全沒有 完全沒有那等於是說我們101在零出資的情況之下然後讓整個全世界暫時看到台灣 |
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對 讓全世界看到台灣以及我們的國旗的飄揚那我覺得真的很不容易啦我本來還以為說我們101有出錢所以這次101也沒有出到半毛錢沒有 對沒有 那之前101蔣永傑他答應的時候你知不知道這件事情 |
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这个部分是他们公司治理以及他们一个策略的一个规划这个部分并不需要提报到财政部你就是尊重101的决定就对了这是我要称赞这个杰尔文杰董事长称赞101尤其是用零出资的方式然后成功的行销台湾我觉得这个值得肯定那也值得我觉得所有的公务人员其实都可以想一下有时候你用非常 |
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非常少的資本甚至像這次零資本然後創造那麼大的效益其實我覺得都應該給予肯定跟鼓勵好 謝謝部長那我請教一下這個接下來可能要請教一下國發會還有這個徐執密這個 |
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因為一直在提到說5000億美元的投資其實現在大家都知道說2500億是由民間企業自主投資另外2500億等於是政府的信保我請教一下如果經濟部和市長知道也幫忙協助一下目前這2500億的企業自主投資是不是包含了1650億台積電的投資有嗎 |
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這個應該投資的計算應該還要再跟美方那邊再確認一下徐執銘知道嗎 |
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是有包含正在計畫中的投資就是包含這1650億包含計畫中的投資包含進去了那所以2500億已經扣掉1650億了然後那不然徐子敏來來再請答覆那所以這個剩下的這一個投資應該也是這一個跟台積電相關的這些企業會在過去投資嗎 |
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在投資方案錄裡面有提到就是像半導體然後AI這些相關的投資產業那所以大概有有些特定的廠商會過去投資了嗎這個是不是請經濟部經濟部 次長 |
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其實我們在跟美方談判之前都已經有跟我們台灣的這些電子資訊大廠都有開過一個會議大概也了解一下他們現在正在進行中還有未來想要去投資的金額所以我們才會所以大概就是談定了說大概會有這些企業會進去投資大概就是2500億 |
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應該是說會朝這樣的一個方向但是多少年倒是沒有提到大概有多少年所以這2500億也不是隨便劃出來的數字是 應該是這樣就是跟我們台灣的企業半導體的企業都談過就對了有談過了好 這些接下來我問高副主委另外2500億 |
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這個就是說這個等於是國家信用保證那你們有提到就是說這個財政部這邊莊部長也留住這個會由國發基金來籌措邀請公民銀行公股銀行來參與就對了那目前的這個準備的情況怎麼樣我們正在跟一些公股銀行跟民營銀行在做協商當中就是說在進行當中莊部長有跟公股銀行有談過嗎 |
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跟委員報告這個部分國發會在整體的規劃那未來會由公股銀行還有民營的銀行一起加入以及國發基金一起加入那這整個的期程以及出資的一個狀況會再進一步的做詳細的研議 |
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那我相信这2500亿也不是这个凭空化出来的2500亿并没有一步到位它只是提供一个支持然后支持金融机构对提供一个最高额度2500亿的对 因为你们有提到就是说这个信保的机制大概需要62.5亿到100亿但是也不是一次到位对 都是分年分期来做的好 那这个钱这个总是要有第一 |
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低筒金嘛那這低筒金的低筆錢是從哪裡來的當然會目前的規劃國發基金也好還有公股銀行跟民營銀行一起加入那國發基金這個高富足委所以部分還是會用到政府的預算 |
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還是用基金的方式用基金 用國發基金出資的方式用國發基金的方式對 國發基金出資所以第一筆大概要出多少錢我們目前預估如果是62.5億的話大概是會300到400億的台幣然後基本上就是由國發基金跟公民銀行一起 |
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所以初期大概就是三四百億那就是由國發基金跟我們的公民銀行一起來來籌措這是第一桶金就對了但是會過去的我認為也是跟半導體高科技相關的產業吧因為一般的產業它不會特別過去那這些產業老實講也都很有錢是沒錯 |
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也都很有錢 他們自己有資金然後就算是要跟銀行借錢需要國家信用保證的話我認為這些企業其實第一個不缺資金第二個就算來借錢 未來都會還錢其實我們都會賺 |
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所以公股跟民營銀行才有加入的用意對於公民銀行來講 他們也可以賺錢是不是 也算是投資所以他們才願意共同來參與這個信用那這是雙贏那我覺得這部分外界一直在做誤解 在誤導政府要一次要出2500億 總共要出5000億 |
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这个还在起我是觉得说相关的这些说明还是要说得更清楚公民银行就算来投资也是最后也是会赚因为这些都是非常有信用的大公司有助于他的放款的业务国际放款的业务好 那请一下徐子密 |
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接下來大家會更關心我們現在簽的是台美投資合作的備忘錄MOU對不對是請問一下台美對等貿易協定大概還要多久的時間目前雙方正在做法律文字的檢視還有項目的核對我們預計是數週內可以完成簽署 |
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數週內農曆年前可以完成嗎我們目前雙方其實都很努力的在聯繫事實上我們最近跟美方的聯繫美方也說雖然現在美東大學他們在放學假但是他們不會就不工作他們還是會繼續工作所以我們雙方都持續在聯繫我們希望能夠盡快完成所以數週內算一算其實也是在 |
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台灣的農曆年前我們是二月中嗎我們會盡快好 那這個協定要送到立法院來做審議 |
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在簽署台美對等貿易協定之後行政院會依據條約締結法的程序將投資MOU跟貿易協定都一起送到立法院好 那立法院來做審議那狀況就會很多了它有可能全部都通過但是有可能全部都否定那有可能修改內部的文字那我先講不要講最極端的情況那如果它去修改你們 |
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談定了這個協定的話那協定沒有生效嗎是的協定就沒有生效了如果沒有如果有修改的話那是那協定沒有生效的話第一個重談如果要重談必須要雙方都同意跟委員報告剛剛其實也有說明過就是說我們不方便去對於這個假設性的狀況沒關係就是你如果 |
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立法院做了更改第一個 沒有生效嘛這是確定的嘛那沒有確定就兩個一個就是重談那要看美國要不要跟你談但是我認為呢美國不會跟你重談按照川普他的這一個態度啊他就不跟你重談了 |
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他就是從這個本來的20再疊加或許再回到更早之前32%或是更慘的有可能因為好不容易跟美國就已經談妥了那結果呢台灣的立法院不同意 |
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那本已經談到這15%不疊加了那現在有可能回到最壞的情況就是回到過去剛開始去年4月哈索提出來的那個告關稅對台灣來講傷害傷害是非常的大非常的嚴重我覺得要把這個嚴重性你雖然說不是假設性的問題但是你們要預想到如果這樣子的話對我們現在所有的企業它的影響會有多大我看很多的這些 |
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工具業好好 機具業也好許多的產業他們講說談到15%不疊加對他們來講都非常好我們的預估經濟成長也會再增加結果如果因為談判不生效那因為談判作廢了 |
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那整個你們談了這麼久的這個貿易的協定那最後就作廢了那按照川普我認為啦川普就直接給你灌上去了他就不管你了這對於台灣來講危害是非常大的我覺得你們要把最壞的情況算在內就是立法院有可能會不同意或是有可能會去更改你們跟美方談妥的那些協定你們要把最壞的情況要跟國人講 |
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知道嗎謝謝委員指教好 謝謝好 謝謝李坤城委員好 次長請回OK好 接下來我們請黃珊珊委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席 我請經貿辦還有經濟部次長以及國發會主委好 請徐子密 何次長 高副主委委員好 |
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好三位好我想台灣的談判團隊在美東時間的1月15號有正式有一個MOU國人都非常的關心而且也是對台灣來說我想請問一下三位目前為止覺得這樣的結果滿意嗎我們的國家滿意嗎你們滿意嗎 |
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目前來講我們跟產業界都很滿意還可以接受因為關稅降為15千不疊加然後半導體還有衍生品232項關稅最優惠待遇但是我們同樣的承諾要付出了2500億的自主投資剛聽植密說的這含不含台積電的1500億1000億含還是不含 |
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我在這邊只能在這邊回答就是說包含計劃中的投資包含台灣企業計劃包含台灣企業計劃中的投資所以包含台積電的1000億嗎包含還是不包含有這麼難嗎 |
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計劃中的台積電的1000億算在裡面就對了如果您是指這一塊的話我們有聽到美國商務部的發言是包含的所以這2500億你大概已經有1000億了另外1500億的Code我們有被限制在多久時間內要完成嗎 |
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巴韋沒有沒有所以沒有一定要在一年兩年之內完成所以你現在的時間還有然後投資也都找得到不會有所謂做不到的狀況吧跟文報告這個應該是企業自主投資所以企業一定是看到能夠賺錢的機會但我們要鼓勵我們要鼓勵然後第二個今天這是一個MOU如果中華民國政府沒有做到會不會影響到我們的關稅談判的結果 |
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會吧 因為所以你還是要努力啊沒有壓時間但是我們會有一些相關的是 它畢竟是個條件它不可能說你做不到還是繼續維持原意嘛人家也會盯著你看這是第一點所以我們一定要在我們可控的範圍之內完成這樣的任務而不是只是單純說好 我答應然後沒有時間 所以我就耍賴我想這個也不是大家可以大家要這樣看到的另外一個是我們看到的是 |
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美國也要投資台灣 對嗎是看到他們說雙向投資機制可是我們從美國商務部公告的相關的fact sheet就是事實清單裡面好像沒有看到相關的細節跟項目甚至沒有看到金額次長 現在有內容了嗎美國對台灣投資有內容了嗎 |
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像委员报告就是说有关于美国要对台湾投资这个事情确实是在投资MOU里面有载明的那里面有提到有像这样2500亿这么具体的金额跟项目吗金额的部分没有明确的说明所以有没有金额项目跟时间然后也有包括就是说他们会通过相关的机制来支持子敏你现在在这边回答的是立法委员的咨询我希望你清楚的回答我有没有项目范围跟金额跟时间 |
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没有有产业然后没有提到金额所以产业什么产业五大信赖产业以及生物科技产业生物科技产业一样的同样你这个案子MOU将来也要送到国会来追认是吗 |
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我們會依據條一地解法的程序所以你還是要回答我們有關項目範圍金額我可以同意這是在談判之間必須需要跟美方溝通的但是一樣我們如果被要求的這麼具體2500億項目範圍金額同樣的美國對台的投資也應該續名項目範圍金額這是你們的任務不是嗎為什麼沒有要求具體的項目範圍跟金額呢 |
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有关于这个投资的谈判还是他们不愿意提供他们多少钱不讲项目知道金额不说时间没有如果我们看到日本跟韩国跟美国的谈判里面的话事实上是只有单项所以你就是说美国要求所有的人具体我们在跟美国的谈判里面有要求到双项对我们的承诺也没有具体所以这个可能是经贸办或者是我们行政院还是要去努力完成在MOU |
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確認項目金額跟範圍我想這個對國人才有辦法交代啦當然我知道不好談啦那接下來是說經濟部是說對美投資本來就是台灣的企業海外投資的一部分只是把台灣本來要投資在台灣那會不會排擠到台灣企業對台灣的投資 |
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根文報告 事實上是不會的因為其實這個企業部美投資其實是因為有台積電這樣的一個投資它會把相關的這些產業鏈帶過去所以不會排擠到台灣原有的投資絕對不會 |
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我們不希望影響台灣其他的產業投資的動能另外就是鄭麗君副院長是說美國是希望晶片的自給率要有一定的比例但是不是由台灣獨立完成這個自給率也就是日本韓國還有其他業者都是美國 |
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晶片自給率的成員也就是說我們即使是去美國投資了我們還是要跟日本韓國跟其他的相關的產業做同樣的競爭對吧 |
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沒錯也就是說我們現在要做的是我們是不是更應該去積極甚至我們要爭取所謂的市佔率還有產品規格跟技術的制定這個可能是台灣在下一步投資了以後我們不要再變成邊緣人或者是又變成只是代工者我想這個即使要投資在那邊也是要跟日本 韓國競爭 |
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所以這兩塊可能是經濟部下一步要告訴我們很清楚的是不是只有去投資去投資完之後還要穩定我們的市佔率台灣今天有談判的這個條件就是因為我們有非常強的企業跟市佔率所以跟我們報告其實我們今年推的AI新十大建設裡面對未來半導體發展的矽光子的技術就是要確保我們台積電未來在半導體會有領先的地位確保台積電去了投資不會不至於因為美國把全世界都拉過去之後然後我們反而 |
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陷入了劣勢這是第二個第三個部分就是我們現在這個moment還沒有生效請問什麼時候會生效這個時間還沒生效 |
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要在簽署台美對等貿易協定之後簽字完成生效雙方各自完成內部程序之後以現在這個時間點還要你剛剛說數週大概是幾週2月底之前可不可能簽生效剛剛有報告過就是現在雙方團隊都非常的努力我們希望能夠盡快2月底之前希望能夠簽署生效 |
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有关时间点的话我们目前还是数周我相信对台湾现在这个moment我们还是20加N对吧没错现在还是这样所以越快越好不是吗15%跟20%还是差很多再加一个N就差更多另外一块是有关 |
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你們在報告裡面很清楚的談判是我們對於美國進口的關稅要調降但是沒有細節要談好之後再對我們報告請問現在針對關稅調降的部分已經有具體的項目了嗎 |
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向委員報告因為現在雙方還在做項目的核對的當中這裡面包括汽車 農產品大家現在都在猜測第二個是非關稅障礙非關稅貿易障礙之前美方對於我們的要求是針對很多的食品安全還有甚至勞工權益 |
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這兩塊都是他們要求很久但我們一直沒有答應的事情現在這兩塊都會可能成為你們談判的籌碼跟條件我們會堅持原來的立場還是我們會在這中間有大幅度的開放 |
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像委員報告就是兩件事情第一個事情就是說什麼時候會公開那是要簽署之後會公開第二件事情就是我們談判的原則就是國家利益產業利益國民健康糧食安全就算是要爭取到關稅降低但是不可以犧牲食品安全國人安全甚至是勞工權益我想這個是最基本的原則 |
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另外一個就是看到你們有說支持在WTO架構下免徵電子相關專稅可是我們看到最近美國說他要退出WTO你們這些報告還有用嗎 |
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像委员报告美国最近是说他要退出WHO那WTO的部分他之前是拖欠会费后来他已经开始缴会费了我得说将来在WTO的架构之下我们台湾还是要维持我们国家的自主性不能因为要谈判这个关税上权入国别人有什么我们就该有什么 |
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日本 韓國該怎麼樣就該怎麼樣我覺得這個是最基本台灣不能因為我們可能在軍事方面要靠美國而在貿易方面做不應該有的讓步好 時間暫停我想最後請金管會主委三位請回好 時間暫停一下 |
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不好意思 再給我一分鐘就好所以我想最重要的是現在股票已經上三萬點了那民眾很多都在年輕人其實都開始有投資跟理財的觀念那我們一直在討論的就是我們現在的股票還是一千股一千股做一個單位一張 |
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那在全世界甚至美股現在其實都可以買到一股可是我們知道相關的金管會的對於這些交易的很消極從來不做相關的檢討主委是不是應該檢討一下像日本現在的部分是100股然後我們現在很多大的股份股票都拆分了其實就是讓一般人的門檻能夠降低 |
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但是他們會有個價差因為你用撮合的方式會有跟事實上交易的價差還是有一段的距離所以主委我相信你也很想做一些改革這個部分是不是應該做一些檢討甚至有一個逐步的接近然後讓台灣的股票市場可以更貼近國際的趨勢 |
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跟委員說明其實有關其實我們資本市場有非常非常多議題我們都有持續的在檢討中1000股很久了可以調整了針對零股交易也有做強化我想這部分剛剛委員提到其實不只這個議題我們很多議題都在研究中 |
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所以我希望零股交易這個部分有做了但是我剛剛講它還是有一定的價差如果有價差它的確是不是非常的公平它等於說兩個價格但是你如果有一股一股交易的話現在我們台灣已經開放買美股了所以其實很多民眾都轉向直接去買美股因為可以買到一股兩股 |
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那跟台灣一次要買一千股如果像台積電的金額這樣的話其實一般民眾根本就買不到那現在大家可能去買ETF可是可能還是受到很多大盤的波動但他可能不能只選擇他喜歡的股份我是認為說一千股已經行之多年了日本現在一百股我們可以考慮甚至可以考慮到美股降低年輕人購買股票的這些門檻我想諸位是不是也可以進一步的檢討然後往這個方向走 |
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其實這些都是我們在日常檢討真的需要做我們就會來處理好 謝謝主委好 謝謝黃珊珊委員主委請回我們接下來請王世堅委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席 我請財政部莊部長好 請莊部長委員好莊部長 辛苦了我今天要問三個問題這三個問題過去你一向是三部不解釋 不交代 不給答案 |
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那我認為這個時候我們國家已經跟美國這個關稅談判也談得OK啦所以我希望今天這三個問題你都能夠清楚肯定的回答我好不好這三個問題就是說我們汽車這麼高關稅17.5%我們保健食品高關稅30% |
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這兩個關稅是不是要調降第三個問題就是說財政部這一兩年來都一直提起要取消兩千元小額包裹的免稅所以這三個問題那首先這汽車高關稅我相信你非常清楚嘛日本香港零 |
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美國2.5% 中東的國家不管是阿拉伯 科威特 卡達人家他們都是5%加拿大5.9% 韓國8% 歐盟9.8%只有 我看起來全世界大概我們台灣最高 17.5% |
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那这17.5%因为税率是相乘的如果再加上货物税加值营业税大概都会来到54%也就是说100万的进口车为什么在我们国内我们消费者必须154万去购买所以一只我们国人同胞这六七十年来一直都没办法享有在国外生产的这些价廉物美的车辆 |
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那當然原因只有一個這原因也不是現在我們的政府去造成的因為六七十年來就是高關稅為了保護這個裕隆當時有當時的政治背景那這個阿斗我們保護了他六七十年到底還要保護這個阿斗還要保護多久那在去年我問起這個問題的時候當時 |
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的經濟部長他竟然回答他竟然說如果我們降低我們汽車關稅我們台灣將會有十幾萬相關從業人員會失業他當時這個叫我四個字胡說八道 |
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他全然不知我們台灣的汽車產業我們在零組件大多數這十萬位從業的人員有九萬六千位人家他們的工廠是零組件工廠我們總共 |
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有四千五百億的零組件產值有兩千五百家廠商從業人員有九萬六千人人家他們很好很強百分之八十八出口而且都是國外的大廠Mercedes Benz BMW Audi這些大廠跟他們來購買從車燈 |
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保險桿到排檔到啟動馬達等等人家是那麼的強那麼的好所以高跟駛只保護了一個這個阿斗現在人家也轉型了他汽車不做了 |
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他現在改做不動產去設大商場 大型辦公大樓他去當包租公了那我們高關稅 |
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汽車高關稅還量在那個地方這對我們國人同胞非常的不公平啦所以我今天希望你能夠具體答覆我跟美國都談好了嘛那是不是我們應該把汽車17.5的高關稅降低甚至我認為一次一步到位就降到零 |
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這才是合理的嘛來對我們國人同胞做一個起碼的補償你的看法呢跟委員報告對於美國進口台灣的汽車還有保健食品那他的關稅的稅率以及是不是在這一次台美貿易這個台美關稅貿易協議裡面有沒有納入這個品項以及未來的關稅稅率那目前來說 |
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就我們所知經貿辦公室的OTN也講了就是說在雙方還在做法律文字的校對之後檢核之後那在台美簽署以後自然會對社會大眾來做報告你是說要等 |
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談好了還要等簽署那你現在就可以告知我們嘛那都已經談好確定了嘛只差簽署不是嗎所以你的看法怎樣你認為該不該降對於這個部分是不是要降我相信OTN在跟美方談判的時候都已經對相關的評估跟討論那我想在簽署以後自然會對外做一個說明的你還是不回答就對了 |
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你還是 你就是三步就對了是 我想最後簽署就會對外做說明的 對如果這個簽署是正面的那我相信如果我們把汽車關稅降到零對美國 對歐盟 對日本他們更高興不是嗎大家來公平競爭 |
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那他們的原廠車就可以平行來輸入我們國家他們是歡迎的啊這我們還有什麼好顧慮的那就我剛剛跟你講啦我們國內其實我們自己汽車產業是在這些零組件的部分我們那些很強包括變速箱等等你看那些車燈全世界量產最大的大概就是我們台灣這你非常清楚嘛 |
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好那保健品呢保健品也是很離譜欸保健品部長您知道嗎我們的保健品關稅30%竟然比香菸還高天啊香菸是有害身體的保健食品維他命等等吃了是要有益我們身體健康的竟然比那個香菸還要高我真不懂那就鼓勵大家去抽香菸囉 |
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鼓勵抽香菸好過吃維他命是這樣嗎你看我在國外保健食品的關稅很清楚美國6.4韓國8%中國8.5日本14.5我們啊是他們這幾個加起來總和30% |
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我們一年我們國人同胞用在保健食品這部分有1200億之多我們竟然在莫名其妙的30%高關稅之下讓我們國人同胞沒辦法跟歐美日國家一樣享有同等的價廉物美的保健品 |
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你想想這多離譜一顆維他命我們台灣是美國的三倍價格這不是莫名其妙嗎其他保健品更是有的甚至高達五倍七倍之多所以部長你看法呢 |
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跟委員報告還是對於美國進口台灣的保健食品他的關稅的稅率這些品項都會在台美關稅貿易協議裡面在討論所以你結論還是不給答案就對了還是會等到簽署以後談判團隊就會對社會大眾報告的好吧那我最後一題你至少這一題這個很小的問題喔這個 |
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關於這個小額包裹的關稅這個其實很清楚啊這個小額包裹的關稅事實上我們有訂兩千元以內然後半年六次那當然先前你們一兩年前說要取消你們說的原因是說怕 |
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中共藉由這個來洗產地那部長你們很清楚嘛小兒包裹這是我們國人同胞來自購買的國家有美國有日本有韓國等等也不是只有中國啊不是這樣嗎然後兩千元還限半年六次而已這簡單講啊這是我們國人同胞的小確幸 |
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小缺席也要被計價 也要被取消是這樣嗎 2000塊你看能買什麼就是買 我剛剛講的嘛 國外價廉物美的保健品啊2000元連一雙好的球鞋都買不到耶結果我們還要把它取消這不是莫名其妙嗎 2000元還包括運費在內天啊 竟然這麼摳 |
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所以我用 那你至少第三題最簡單嘛你至少答覆我 承諾我這兩千元小額包裹的關稅不要 免稅 |
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不要取消可不可以這題最小最簡單嘛好 跟委員報告這個目前來說因為兩千塊以小額包含免稅而且每半年有六次的限制嘛那這個部分目前還沒有規劃到要把它取消沒有規劃沒有規劃好對 非常好關稅法 |
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13332.499 |
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第49條有訂難得有一次我們的關稅稅收的法規有這麼好的這一條這一條要好好珍惜他就是訂得很清楚2000元以內的小額包裹每半年六次免費 |
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這個給我們全體國人通報的小確性千萬不要取消今天我得到你這麼明確的這個答覆我這一點很感謝你部長辛苦但是另外那兩項高額的契稅關稅高額的 |
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13351.874 |
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那個保健食品30%關稅這個我希望你能夠最短時間內給我們全體國人同胞一個清楚明確的答覆不要再三不啦好不好謝謝好謝謝王世堅委員部長請回好謝謝接下來我們請王宏威委員質詢 |
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13383.916 |
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好謝謝主席我先請央行總裁請央總裁好 |
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13401.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].end |
13419.303 |
| transcript.whisperx[486].text |
好 总裁好 总裁上个星期国际的债券市场经历了一个非常大的震惊因为包含日本国债的殖利率飙涨价格暴跌然后再延续到 |
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13421.138 |
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有关于美国国债美国国债问题随着格林兰问题的情势升高所以在全球包含很多欧洲国家特别是Patient Fund一些退休基金因为对于有些是基于对于美国格林兰的态度大家觉得很生气一方面是认为美国国债的风险过高所以陆陆续续已经有包含丹麦 |
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13470.86 |
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瑞典甚至荷蘭的持有者這些Pension Fund決定要出清美國的國債當全世界川普把關稅當成武器但是有些國家就把資產當成武器你用關稅當武器那我就拋售你美國的國債對於台灣來講 |
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這樣的一個情勢包含日本國債的這樣的不穩定尤其高市也宣布了要解散國會但是我們是持有美國國債的一個大的持有者我們占全世界第十名所以請問一下總裁我們 |
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對於我們外匯存底的部分持有美債我們有沒有些什麼樣的一個對策跟委員報告基本上我們對於我們的外匯存底特別是在債券的部分我們隨時都是做動態的一個調整 |
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13543.523 |
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所以隨著日本國債、美國國債他們的價格進入了不穩定甚至市場認為隨時可能甚至有崩盤的危機我們也可能隨時的去做一些甚至減持會做減持的動作我們就是看如何來做最適當的一個降低風險的動作會做 |
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那當然 當然會好 時間暫停一下我請一下我們金管會彭主委時間暫停 請彭主委 |
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主委 我們台灣持有美國國債之高其實除了中央銀行持有之外另外我們三大金融機構銀行保險證券根據INF的總計我們到去年年底為止我們總計持有美國的公債高達3125億美元 |
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| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
13596.569 |
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但是我們也看到了一些資料也就是從去年開始台灣持有美債的金額開始在降低比如說去年10月份我們看到一下子減少了31億美元的美國美債這個其實是一個有意義的數字因為30億其實是很大的數字 |
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所以就我们所了解台湾的银行保险证券是不是也有开始控管风险降低风险然后减少持有美债的动作 |
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| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
13643.379 |
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其實跟委員說明其實剛才那是美債其實我們整個我們假設我們以我們四站最大的金控它大概87兆左右它大概海外曝險28那其實大概是大概32左右是它那個部分裡面其實有美債的部分美國公債的部分其實那個比例是很低的比如說銀行應該是不到1兆 |
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然后受险业我记得没错应该5000亿主委又开始在做一个希望有点粉饰太平我引用INF在今年初我相信央行跟金管会应该都注意到如果你们不注意到的话应该要被打屁股INF在今年初它对台湾示警它说因为我们美元的曝险太高倍数太高我们台湾美元曝险45倍 |
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南韓25倍大到是不成比例它基本上就是在金額的部分我們未必比南韓多很多但是因為我們的外匯市場比較小所以也就是包含我們中央銀行外匯存底也好或者我們的金融機構也好現在整個的美元普選的倍數事實上我們是超高的這是IMF對我們的警示 示警 |
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13721.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
所以我拜託就是說為什麼今天要特別來問總裁還有我們金管會就是有關這部分當然他沒有辦法在一天兩天之內把這些部位完全的出清或者把它降低到一個這個大家沒有風險的一個這個 |
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13737.573 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
他的那个水位可是可是我觉得这一点我们必须要非常注意因为全球的债券市场最近确实乒乒乓乓那因为美国尤其日本日本的国债现在大家都不看好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
13765.329 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
現在大家都不看現在其實拋售的這個壓力也非常非常大而且隨著他們解散國會這一段時間內這一段時間因為它的不穩定性更高因為很多大家要增香減稅怎麼現在使得它的財政負擔越來越高所以我才最後一句話我想請總裁跟主委都給我一句話在這樣子的一個全球債券風險這麼高的一個狀況之下 |
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13767.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
13783.473 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
美元曝險我們又這麼高我們現在的對策是什麼我來回答委員的剛剛就這個IMF的事情我來回答您你說台灣美元曝險45倍剛剛我也回答過這個問題事實上台灣沒有那麼高我們根據我們的計算我們台灣是22點幾 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
13796.721 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
13797.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
22点几倍22点几倍对所以跟南韩的25倍是没有差多少的 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
13804.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
13825.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
那我们是不是立刻要去跟IF抗议也好至少写信去澄清也好不然会影响我们金融机构的rating啊所以我刚刚也就是说没有我们的金融机构的rating是很好的那他这个只是说不是你IF的报告是这样大家看台湾的金融机构就觉得你的风险很高啊IMF呢是对 |
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13829.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
13834.818 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
总裁那你会不会写信你会不会写信给IMF请你做澄清这个是小题这个是小题这个是不必要这怎么小题不必要那总裁我不能同意我在国会殿堂来说明说这个45倍是不正确的那这样就足够所以你直接说IMF做假讯息 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
13853.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
13857.395 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
這個是因為他的計算是他沒有很精確的掌握到倍數我建議我們要直接央行總裁請你寫信給IMF說這個是錯誤的請你這樣的錯誤最好能夠更正你也只好不能再傳達這樣錯誤的訊息一定要做 你是在我們立法院做在立法院委員大家都很關心 |
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13880.987 |
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13909.933 |
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所以就是说这个45倍一报告的时候事实上台湾的金融市场也没有说很惊慌没有具有的观察是没有的有一天惊慌起来的时候大家就惨了来最后一个时间关系那请主委我们现在这些金融机构它仍然有3000亿美元以上的部位那现在看起来在去年我们开始有减持 |
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13911.034 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
13934.995 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
确实如果你从10月份的资料它减少了31亿其实这个部位是大的所以在这一部分你们要怎么样的去紧盯住让我们金融业不要因为全球不管美债或者日债受到了影响价格下跌而影响我们整个的我们的资产的品质 |
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13935.871 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
13954.162 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
其實跟委員報告其實台灣在海外的那個債券的曝險在前一波的升值已經受過衝擊他們沒做好因應其實本來就金融機構應該要做的風險管理這只是其中非常正常他們本來就會這樣做我們也會來督促他們做好自己的風險管理 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
13954.662 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
13980.156 |
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好 我覺得這個事情大家還是要非同小可不是我們自己覺得OK就沒事好不好不要受到波及 這個非常重要好 謝謝好 謝謝王宏威委員的質詢 謝謝總裁跟主委請回接下來我們請洪孟凱委員洪孟凱委員 洪孟凱委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
13980.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
13997.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
接下來我們請林倩琦委員 林倩琦委員 林倩琦委員不在接下來我們請陳玉珍委員 陳玉珍委員 陳玉珍委員不在接下來我們請葉元之委員 葉元之委員 葉元之委員不在 |
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13999.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
14018.986 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
本今日登記發言委員均已詢答完畢本次會議作如下決定一 報告及詢答完畢二 委員質詢未及答覆或請求補充資訊請相關部會於一週內以書面答覆委員另要求期限者從期鎖定 |
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14020.848 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
14038.181 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
委員袁寬恆 林楚英 陳冠廷 陳玉珍 林倩琦所提書面質詢均列入記錄 刊登公報並請相關部會以書面答覆四 本次會議議程已進行完畢堂友不在場委員補題書面質詢疑並列入記錄 刊登公報並請議事人員協助處理我們現在散會 |