| IVOD_ID |
17195 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17195 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
黨團協商-2026010843 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-12T13:30:56+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-12T15:09:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
01:38:04 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302ddf698f77e6c3706a68092d2df03f855180a219bd209750d2d25cea70140e9aafe5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-12T14:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院朝野黨團協商（事由：本院交通委員會報告併案審查委員羅智強等55人、台灣民眾黨黨團、委員翁曉玲等24人分別擬具「衛星廣播電視法部分條文修正草案」、委員陳雪生等23人、委員傅崐萁等24人分別擬具「衛星廣播電視法第五條條文修正草案」、委員葉元之等22人擬具「衛星廣播電視法第十一條條文修正草案」及委員翁曉玲等16人擬具「衛星廣播電視法刪除第五十條條文草案」案。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:30:56 - 15:09:00 |
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好 來 我們交通委員會 今天NCC的這個衛星廣播電視法的這個協商 那因為兩個黨團到了 國民黨團跟民眾黨團都有代表出席 那民進黨團是不是請我們助理同仁聯繫一下好不好 因為表定是兩點鐘啦 我想說我們就是準時開始 那也感謝我們NCC代理主委跟我們主秘還有相關的部會官員都有出席 |
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來 相關資料都有拿到了嘛OK 那我們我知道剛剛也看到這個代理主委有都個別在跟委員在做一些溝通我覺得這是好事那之前應該三個禮拜前我們主條審查的時候其實本期也就有特別提到說要請NCC有相關的一個對應跟備案出來那我們可以比較 |
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聚焦的一個討論那如果說有相關的一個討論的話等一下就直接我們針對我們等一下還是一樣是有保留的條文我們主條來做一個討論那但是希望我們NCC這邊能夠有一些如果有備案的部分就可以直接提出備案好不好那委員這邊我們也就尊重大家的一個發言那等一下我們主條的時候再請各位委員表達意見 |
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感謝嘉賓委員這個三分鐘如果超過五分鐘就要請喝咖啡了對 我就知道你叫零咖啡衝咖啡對 好 |
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感謝那我們現在民進黨團的代表也已經到場那我們現在就開始協商那我剛剛也針對就是衛星廣播電視法部分條文修正草案之前有通過或修正通過部分我就不再贅述那我們現在針對保留共12條條文我們再來做這個進一步的協商那我是不是就徵求大家意見我們就逐條來做討論好不好好那沒有問題的話我們就先看第4條 |
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還要再介紹對不起 因為工作同仁還是說尊重各位委員所以現在介紹在場委員首先介紹我們羅志強委員廖先祥委員張祺凱委員以及鍾嘉賓委員今天列席官員主要是我們NCC代理主委陳崇樹主委 |
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2010.956 |
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2019.973 |
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主任秘書黃文哲秘書黃文哲主秘 抱歉林慧玲我們電台與內容事務處處長以及蔡志如法務事務處處長 |
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包括司法院我們林靜超法官 謝謝經濟部我們商業發展司嚴和慶科長內政部民政司專門委員戴淑黃專門委員經管會政企局陳湘瑩副組長 |
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勞動部勞動基金運用局專門委員吳英傑專委主計處公務預算處專門委員黃子涵還有法務部楊石宇檢察官好謝謝好那我們是不是就針對第4條的部分我們請NCC主管機關都先來做個回應你們的意見好不好謝謝來 |
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跟主席跟各位人報告第4條的部分我們具體建議都是因為民眾黨團有在12條之一有徵提我們是建議說這邊就建議不修然後用12條之一來處理用資訊介入的目的來達到這個資訊公開因為股票公開發行有相對的一些如果是比照有廣法或它是有它規模是比較不一樣它是資本有2億以上的 |
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很多都是基本上沒有那麼高的部分就是說就是原來的條例裡頭會有一些法人也會適用這個他不需要應該相對上不需要負擔這個東西我們會建議說這一部分就不要修但是用十二條之一來處理那你們十二條之一是可以接受民眾黨團的文字 |
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有部分來修正12條之一原來是所有新聞頻道跟直播我們會建議這邊是把範圍只限縮在經營新聞及財經新聞頻道那直播的部分不要為什麼直播不要因為直播的話大愛台那個宗教台TV也會被包進來我們建議說那部分把它拿掉就可以 |
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好來 那民眾黨團要不要先 剛剛NCC的講法就是說第四條不建議修正那就是維持原有的條文但是在十二條之一民眾黨團新增提案裡面然後來讓他新增 那其中自播新聞頻道 自播新聞節目之頻道之 |
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衛星廣播電視事業這邊不要是不是對 就是自播新聞節目之頻道這幾個字殺掉所以是線說的範圍是經營新聞及財經頻道之衛星廣播電視事業跟主席報告是經營新聞及財經新聞頻道還加個新聞兩個字 |
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經營新聞及財經新聞頻道好我想因為這兩條是連動的我就請董事我就直接這樣子來做處理第四條跟第十二之一那十二之一在第九頁對那就麻煩我們各委員來表達意見來 首先請張啟開委員 |
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先謝謝孟凱今天這個衛星廣播電視法這個修正案排上來非常重要這是柯文哲在兩年多前敬請總統的重要政見我在第一會期就是快兩年前一上任就代表台灣民眾黨提了這個案子那沒有錯 重中之重事實上就是剛剛卓偉提的那個條文第十二條之一他主要是要讓 |
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要讓從政府得到的採購案或者是補助還有廣告公開透明化從主委剛剛的回答大家也看得出來這大概是台灣人民的共識啦我不要說政府拿我們人民納稅錢然後很集中的在某些電視台然後後來這個電視台又常常在罵別人那也不好我們就回到正規讓他可以公開透明化 |
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所以我們條文是這樣規範的我們是要求說每一年的6月30號以前要將前一年度的資訊就等一下講這個資訊要公開在兩個地方一個就是NCC你來指定一個網站第二個就是這個電視台或者廣播它本身它自己的網站上要披露每年的6月30號那包括哪一些呢你說從政府或者從公立學校或公營事業或者其他 |
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這些監訴成立的財產法人他只要是採購案還有剛講的補助金額你本身在做一個披露現在看起來這一塊是有共識的那另外我要提醒一個點我們在第12條之一的第7款我們還補了一個中加條款 |
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宗家條款當然就是當初電視台不能夠去經營這個第四台結果那時候出現了有某個電視台去經營了入主的這個宗家所以我們大概第七款的要求就是說你只要是有持股10%以上的股東 |
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你說那個電視台他經過層層去掌握就弄到後來他說法規我們在問這個以前的主委的時候那時候的NC主委就說那個比例太低了所以就沒辦法規範那第七款我們是很明確的所以我們今天會非常第 |
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你們後來是第八 第八款負責人 董事監察人 經紀人跟直接間接持有已經發行表決權總數的10%的股東的投資試驗那你就必須要公開披露這個條文我都非常堅持那OK大概就是依照民眾黨的版本這樣的規範的話12條之一我們可以同意那至於剛才提到那個製波要不要拿掉 |
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我們的明確定義是希望說新聞跟財經頻道嘛那現在主委是提到說自播自播不要 自播你說會是會讓大愛台跟那個GoodTV那個宗教台都會被含納私用那如果是原來前面兩項的話只有新聞台跟財經新聞台會好 這樣好不好大家如果可以同意第12條之一用台灣民眾黨的這個版本那在這個那個自播這一塊我們可以做個修正 好不好 |
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可是前提就是要用台灣民眾黨的第12條之一好不好 OK來 其他委員有相關意見嗎這是NCC提出來的現在看起來是NCC提出來台灣民眾黨同意對不對好 |
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主席 我再請那個民眾黨是不是可以再次幫我們確定因為剛剛他們的建議是說不要有4然後只有12之1那這個部分對 4不要動不要民眾黨團修正的版本就是直接採納你們的12之1就可以含跨你們在第4條修法版本裡面所在意的事情那如果這個部分張綺凱委員可以接受那主管機關也覺得OK我們應該也沒有問題好 所以再次確定一下請張綺凱委員確定 |
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對啦我這邊是這樣沒錯了那現在是國民黨國民黨是有意見嗎沒有意見 |
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好看起來很有共識那來我最後主席確認一下就是說所以經營新聞及財經新聞頻道目前韓國的定義譬如說就是電視台裡面49到55這個新聞台到57到57對不對但是你撇開所謂的直播新聞節目所以說像圓明台 大愛台這個雖然他們台裡面有新聞但是不受這樣的一個規範 |
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刪掉之後他就不會適用這一條好所以如果說比較明確以我們現在的這個收視的習慣的話這一條其實主要是49到57頻道對大概是這樣子沒錯然後也跟主席報告這個12條之前面的那兩個類像在上次通過的條文的第二條裡頭的定義第八款已經定義了對 就上一次我們有把那個新聞及財經新聞頻道給定義對不對 |
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好所以各位在場委員我們現在就是第四條維持現行條文不予修正那十二條之一就依照臺灣民眾黨黨團的提案修正後通過就刪除直播新聞節目之頻道那幾個字 財經後面加新聞 財經後面加新聞 |
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條文我簡單再念一遍 12條之一 經營新聞及財經新聞頻道之衛星廣播電視事業有沒有問題好 |
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為了培育委員我們多念幾次沒有關係十二條之一經營新聞及財經新聞頻道之衛星廣播電視事業逗號因依主管機關指定之方式後面就照臺灣民眾黨黨團版本自播那個拿掉而已 對好所以十九到五十七都有規範OK好 那這樣子就十二條之一 |
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提案就照臺灣民眾黨黨團版本修正後通過好 接下來請大家再回到第二頁的第5條來 我們是不是也請NCC這邊先來相關意見 |
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是跟主席跟各位委員報告第5條這邊我們會具體建議是說直接還是不行然後間接的話我們是建議因為上次交委會討論的時候有相關委員也有建議那主席又才是我們回去就我們現在的監理實務來做一些檢視盤點那我們具體建議間接是1% |
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但是要搭配但書規定但書規定大概就是陳學生委員他有提案然後再搭配50條的罰則部分來處理那因為文字很多那是不是允許我們把我們建議的文對是NCC有提建議版本那我們直接這個版本給我們在場委員好不好好謝謝好 |
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好我們請各委員也來過目就說這是上一次我們在審查初挑審查的時候要求NCC在協商的時候要提出相關的這個客觀的一個分析跟專業的一個判斷那現在加入這個部分所以第一政黨還是把它拿掉不是 政黨還是有 |
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政黨在第二頁政黨的第三項第三項這邊那我跟各位報告簡單來講是這樣子就是第一頁這邊的第一項第五條第一項是政府跟他的法人不得下面有三款第一款是直接是絕對不行第二款是說擔任未管事業的董監事啊發起人啊或經理人那第三款是說如果政府是間接投資或者其他方式來控制未管事業的人事財務 |
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獲得業務的話這些都對應後面第50條會有一些法則規定那第二項是補充說明上面政府的情況什麼情況才會視為這個政府控制未管事業第二項的第一款是說政府獲得政府他設的法人其實就是那個幾大基金他的 |
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只有未管事業持股如果超過1%的話這部分是勢為控制後面再要但出這個但出其實就是陳雪仙委員當初的提案裡頭有寫的就是說但政府基金或公營事業因自行委託投信機構投資的部分不在此限 |
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白化是這樣子然後第二款是說政府或他的法人就是兩個在一起就是說所有白化套個具體的例子說政府他的基金所有基金加起來他的如果超過1%的話這些東西也 |
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我们也是认为说这种情况之下不得处理但是也是把政府基金把它排掉第二页第三款的公营事业担任微管事业的经理人董监事的话这边也是属于说我们政府不能处理的部分然后第二页的 |
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第三項 應該是從上面12345678下面20項那邊開始 政黨這邊政黨這邊相對的更嚴格 比政府更嚴格怎麼更嚴格法 第一管是說直接不行 間接也不行但是政府的話是間接 我們有畫一條紅線政黨的話是間接也不行 我們建議條文是這樣子然後第三管跟政府的一樣 |
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第四管是把一些其他的控制方式我們也列為說這種情況之下是政黨不得從事的行為然後第四管是第二頁的倒數 |
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第九行的開始 除法律令有規定外政府政黨不得捐助然後第五管事這邊 第二頁倒數第五行這邊政黨的黨務工作人員或政務人員或選任公職人員不得投資衛廣事業然後他的配偶跟二親等以內的血親合計的持股不得超過1% |
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然後第三頁是第六項是政黨的工作人員或選任公職人員他不得擔任未管事業的董監事或經理人等一下 主委 代理主委我們只有拿到一二頁就一張您 |
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還是我們是不是針對因為現在委員手上版本都是一張的這個您是不是用這個一張的來說明好不好那剛剛講的除了第幾頁是不用理會之外其他講的像是都一樣都一樣 |
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好那是不是我再講一遍好了第一頁這邊的第五條的第一項就是政府的部分是規範政府的部分政府的部分有下面三款是不得從事的行為第一個直接投資是絕對禁止第二個擔任衛廣事業的董監事跟後經理人絕對禁止第三個是間接投資間接投資的這種情況 |
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那第二項是有這種情況我們視為前面第一項的第三款的視為控制哪些情況呢第一個是政府就第一款政府或者他的法人其實就是一些基金他如果個別 |
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或其法人個別自個別就是個別加起來超過1%的話我們是會控制然後把四大基金排除就但書這邊就是第一款的後段這邊 |
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但政府基金或公營事業因自行委託巴拉巴拉這邊不在此限這個是陳秀卿委員的提案的版本我們去把它做一些對應的作修他的紅線是劃10% 我們是劃1%1%是尊氏主席的指示文把我們手上歷年來有違反黨政條款的拿出來對 也要找相關的事業來開會check然後 |
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第二项的第二款是针对这个政府或者捐助法人及他的 |
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共同持有的就是前面那一款是每一個個別然後第二款是合計超過1%我們也是認為是有控制的但是也把基金排掉所以二的後段這邊但政府就跟前面一款一樣都是把政府基金跟一些供應事業的就像郵政基金或者勞退那些東西都把它排掉 |
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然後第三款的部分是公營事業第三款是公營事業擔任未管事業的董監事、經理人這些也是視為控制 |
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然後第三項就是我們第一頁的12345倒數第五行開始的第三項這邊是講政黨政黨部分是比政府更嚴格政府的部分間接有劃紅線排掉基金政黨是直接間接都不行然後所以就體現在我們這邊翻過來的 |
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翻過來的沒有翻過來還是第一頁第一頁的第三項的倒數第四項倒數第三項直接間接政黨都不行然後第三管是擔任衛管事業的董監事監理人也不行 |
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然後第四是他有其他方式以其他方式來控制未廣事業的人事財務會計也不行這種情況那不行的話後面第五十條我們有一些對應的一些法則的一些規範好那請翻到第二頁第五條的第四項第一個是第四項這邊是說 |
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政府 政黨都不能捐助未廣事業第五項是講人的部分人的部分包括政黨的人員 政務人員選任公職人員跟他的配偶 二親等裡面的血親都不能投資同一家電子事業超過1%這是既有的條文 |
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然後這個條文大概也是跟陳雪田委員的應該是以他的為主他只是當初有一些物質應該是衛星廣播電視事業而不是系統經營者系統經營是在有線電視那邊然後第六項這邊第六項這邊是規範政黨的人員跟選任也是規範人政黨人員跟選任公司人員不得擔任衛廣事業的總監事跟經理人 |
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然後第七項是定義一下前面所爭政黨的工作人員是指下面有兩款的情況是做一些定義然後第八項第八項這邊是講說第八項這邊是因為全球性維園部分我們有一些修正的一些建議這邊不太一樣 |
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再來是第九項這邊違反它對應的法則部分我們這邊會有這個建議就說要主管機關就NCC這邊會令餵管業者做下面的事情人的部分我們是叫餵管業者要解除他懂監視的一些職務政府的部分我們解除政府政黨或者捐助法人受到對餵管事業的一些控制 |
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那以上先好 簡單補充 好來那個初期委員有沒有針對NCC提出來第5條來 |
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這邊我想請教主委你們這次為什麼要搞那麼麻煩你本來就是政府政黨積極捐助的財團法人受託人不得違下列行為你們現在把政府跟政黨把它切開來拆成兩項這有什麼意義嗎就是政黨規範更嚴格你們政黨有規範更嚴格嗎我看不得違下列行為不是一樣的嗎 |
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跟委員報告我們是依照陳雪生委員的版本去修正的那陳雪生委員的版本也是把政黨拆到第三項來我們就政府跟政黨去分別規範那政黨是直接間接都絕對禁止那只有開放政府在間接投資的部分可以1%然後用但書去排除政府基金跟國營事業的一些投資行為 |
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主席我先發言可以嗎好謝謝主席我剛看了一下確實這個長長落落等的兩頁條文幾乎都是基建立在陳學生委員的版本他的版本裡面確實是把政黨黨務工作人員局選任公職人員就是政黨還有政務工作人員這些事情都放進來但是我現在看到主管機關給這個修正動議的版本是分得更清楚 |
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也就是說日後相關執法人員或者是你們在定相關細則的時候確實會把政黨還有政府的角色講得更清楚到底他們各自的紅線是什麼看起來其實是優化了陳雪生委員的版本 |
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如果在一黨委員可以接受那我想這一條民進黨黨團也沒有意見因為看起來主管機關已經覺得各自畫的紅線而且是定義更清楚也也就是說在一黨委員非常在意的那個政黨跟政府跟媒體之間的紅線關係謝謝好來翁小玲委員 |
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另外就是有个问题因为原来的规定是说他间接投资10%你们现在限缩到1%在过去的这个实务案例里面你们处罚的最高的间接投资是有百分之多少 |
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根文报告我们的对应有限那边有很多是把各种基金加起来是有超过5%的但是如果单数把它排除掉的话它个别的部分间接的都低于1%就是某个个案是某个地方政府的投资那一块是低于1% |
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所以我们划1%这边是OK的然后上次教委会讨论的时候也有委员提说很多那种公司没有很大的1%以下或持股比例很高的都当董事长所以他们觉得划1%那边是相对既符合现行我们建立的历来处分的党政军违反的案件也符合目前的一些需要因为我记得德国好像3%嘛 |
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也跟我们报告我的意思就是说你们现在规定1%最后呢也还是绑手绑脚然后接下来就翻过来就是你们这里讲说未来违反前面的规定是由主管机关可以命其限其处分那你这里主管机关未来是怎么解释是目的事业主管机关吗就是NCC |
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就还是有NCC可是你们有办法可以命他们这个去做处犯吗有就是我们那50条我们建议是我们也规范说政府投资或政党投资我们都有对应法则然后如果是在那部分刚刚讲政务人员政党人员这些持有部分要请微广业者解除他的股东身份股东权利如果微广事业不从的话我们就罚微广事业 |
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所以從講裡面不好意思我沒聽到你說的就是政府或政府的法人如果他有違反直接或讓他去讓他擔任這個未管業者的一些總監事或經理人或政黨人員也是一樣他有直接或擔任總監事的部分我們獲得違反他捐助未管事業那這些東西我們都會罰20萬到200萬這個罰還然後先罰政黨罰投資的人 |
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罰他然後再令他陷阱改正那完整條文是這樣子你們是罰對你們再講清楚你是說你們NCC可以去罰投資人翁小蓮委員的問題是對要罰的是到時候會不會罰到電視台就別人投資然後反而罰電視台 |
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這也是過去我們的樣態嘛你不小心有人電視台他可能是公開上市然後就別人來買了他不能這個反而變成是電視台受罰經濟部或者是金網會他們有這個權利啊他們是直接去主管這些相關的這個 |
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相關的投資補充報告如果屬於那種間接投資的我們的罰則是設計成兩種政府直接的或怎麼樣我們就罰政府如果是政府直接的它超過1%或怎麼樣的我們是先另改正再不改正才罰就是兩種嚴格是先罰再另改正相對另外一種是說我先叫他改正他不改正我們才開始罰 |
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然後這都是對投資人對被投資的未廣業者如果未廣業者沒有依照前面那幾款說你不要給他擔任不能讓他享有股東權你不能有息子表屆權你還讓他息子表屆權你還讓他息子股東身份的話我們會發未廣業者 |
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好主席我確認一下我們來釐清一下意思就是說不知情者假設蔚廣電視他是不知道狀況就是剛翁小林委員擔心的他是被投資然後他不知道但是你們知道你們主管機關就要處罰那個投資人對嗎那可是如果蔚廣電視知道了而且讓他行使所謂的股東的權益啊表決權這些那就是蔚廣電視系統會被開罰對不對各位報告投資人 |
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投資人假設他是買基金我們不會罰這個投資人是罰這個基金總之就是出錢那個人就是各自都有開罰狀態這樣這樣主席我協助你釐清 |
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好沒關係 那個我想這一條第五條要跟第五十條搭配看因為第五十條是那個強調第五條的一個違反的法則在這邊好 培育委員不用急好不好我再主持 謝謝所以我們現在在那個在跳到五十條前我先確定一下你剛剛有一個地方沒有講清楚在就是說你修正的這個政黨的部分 |
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你現在寫法是 政黨黨務工作人員 政務人員跟選任公職人員不得投資 本人不得投資 但他的配偶二等親或直系姻親可以投資 可是以一趴為限一趴為限 是現有的規定對 現有規定嘛 但我現在說 你現在等於是政務人員跟選任公職人員不得投資 但他配偶跟二等親可以投資 |
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但是有有紅線 對然後單一趴為限可是合計起來一趴以內所以是配偶直系血清或是二等清都一趴為限配偶跟他的二清等以內對 合計加起來嘛 對好 那但是現在我們的這個如果說以政務人員或是選任公職人員來講的話他的陽光法案就是說受監察院申報應該是只有配偶跟二等清的血清有申報那直系陰清沒有申報 |
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那你這樣子要怎麼樣去掌握用竊竊還是用什麼方式請他們竊竊給我們他們是符合這個法律規定你說請誰竊竊 |
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OK |
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但因為以往的樣態比較常的是譬如說政務人員或是選任公職人員在報監察院的時候他財產申報看到他有那個股票那連現行是一張都不行所以就被挑出來可是如果說你現在放寬之後就變成是說配偶或是二等親內的血親財產申報18歲以下的孩童他是有申報的但他超過18歲之後他其實也沒有申報 |
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那本席只是提出來是說如果說這樣放話會不會未來你要掌握的狀況比較不容易跟主席報告那我們變成是被動式的來做一個稽查對 政黨人員本人他個人他本人是不能絕對不行他的配偶跟二青團是合起來一趴那個是不行那個是對應這個現行那是現行條文就已經規定了 |
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就是黨務人員 政務人員 選任公職人員他本人是不可以投資是啦 這我理解就我現在是是我的問題在問你說如果說未來因為你現在只有一趴的一個門檻那這樣子你要怎麼樣有辦法去掌握或者說怎麼樣能夠剔除這個就是技術層面的問題我說未來執法上的問題 |
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根據報告因為是現行條文我們食物操作歷年來大概也會請他們相對切捷好來那這樣子我們先第5條這邊大家有看了這個NCC提出的條文那也是依照我們上一次的這個結論來提出這個%的部分就是說不要 |
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被動的只要持股一張甚至一股都會變成是受罰我們還是強調第五條黨政軍退出媒體這個核心概念沒有變黨政軍退出媒體這個核心概念沒有變那只是實務上場如果說有任何人拿一股 |
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甚至一張股票那他就變成是說違反了這一條規定所以我們現在是講說以現行的樣態裡面1%以內都還算不會實質影響整個公司的運作沒有這樣的一個影響力而且這可能實務上來講會比較常見的也因此NCC今天提出來就是以1%為比例但是只放寬政府跟 |
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捐助成立的財團法人而政黨的部分以及政務人員跟選任公職人員都還是維持不得投資OK那如果說有這樣的一個狀況的話就是第50條來去做相關的處罰那我們現在要看第50條在我們的第21頁 |
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可是第21頁NCC是不是也有那個修正的版本有 剛剛發下去那是不是各委員都有收到NCC提出來的第50條的修正版本好 那我請各委員看一下第50條就NCC的修正版本那其中 |
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主要看來就是違反的話處新台幣20萬元以上200萬元以下罰還 那令限期改善那如果說沒有改善的話則按次處罰對不對 對主要你的那個罰還的一個金額是20萬以上200萬以下限期改善 如果說沒有改善就按次處罰 |
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就第一項是先罰錢並令限期改正然後第二項在隔壁那邊是先令改正不改正才罰那它情況是稍微有點不一樣的那第二項這邊是它有間接投資或其他方式控制的這種情況那前面第一項這邊是直接投資然後還擔任經理總監事的那個都先罰都比較嚴重先罰然後再令限期改正 |
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好 我們各位有沒有相關意見對 基本上就是處罰這個行為人處罰行為人沒有處罰這個被投資者那如果說除非被投資者沒有遵守NCC相關規定對 就是我們那第五項第五項那邊 就是說 |
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他間接投資你超過那個帕克數你還給他擔任股東還讓他行使股東權利還給他有表決權我就罰你然後也令你限期改正好我對於其中一個第50條有個疑義是按次處罰的次怎麼認定我們法務處解釋一下就是我們會看他給一個合理的改正期間那改正期間合理是多久呢那就看狀況 |
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我們確定他的投資情形是什麼樣然後每一個個案他投資的金額大小我們可能會根據個案去做一個判斷 |
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每個個案上他的股票他要把它處分掉的難易度不一樣那我們到時候做成處分的時候會限期假設某個個案是限期一個月某個個案是限期半年那這個期間到他還沒賣掉就是罰第二次就是按次是這個概念 |
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但是主委我會認為說這樣子太過於寬鬆兩個部分因為我們現在不是以前沒有黨政軍退出媒體而現在才要退出媒體所以讓它有個緩衝期我們現在是雖然說稍微放寬但是實際上黨政軍退出媒體的核心是很不變所以基本上你是政府機關你是財團法人你是政黨的相關人員你本來就知道你不能去投資 |
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你不會有誤入我們現在其實1%只是說有這種誤入的狀況可是如果說你今天被查到是我一次擁有大量我擁有10%擁有20%那你就是蓄意要去把手伸進這些這個衛星廣播那你還跟我講說按次改善那如果按次改善你半年才發一次半年才發一次那他就把它變成是繳罰單來 |
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花錢消災跟主席報告我們在第一項裡頭如果覺得縣級改正縣級覺得說沒有明確化會是相對寬鬆的話那主席這邊或者委員這邊也可以討論縣級你可以都直接寫約定一個月或幾個月完成 |
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然後如果他很嚴重的話發完額度我們當然是用一開始看他情況很嚴重的20萬到200萬也許第一次很嚴重的第一次就到頂了就200萬然後現時可能假設今天假設通過的三足版本是一個月他一個月內一定要完成不完成就發第二次好 來 祖密 |
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因為現在案次其實是立法例大概都有那案次的話其實也是依照不同的情況那個給予合理的期間那主席剛才在擔心的是說會不會過於寬鬆或怎麼樣其實因為這種事情大概大概都是會全國矚目所以應該不至於有主管機關會恣意的給他一個比較相對過於寬鬆的這樣子所以我覺得應該應該還是要給主管機關一個一個一個採量的空間OK 按照事情而給予不同好 |
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來 那我請在場委員幫他看一下那這樣子第5條跟第50條他是連帶 連動的那如果說針對第5條跟第50條就依我們協商條文通過就是NCC間所在提出來的修正動議條文我們依照這邊通過 有沒有問題好 第5條依協商條文通過第50條也依協商條文通過好 |
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接下來再請大家看第七頁的第十條第十條來NCC |
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第4條是 孟委員有提深設衛廣執照的深設審理期限要三個月完成 三個月沒有完可以再延一次就3加3我們會建議說維持現行現行是6加6 為什麼 因為 |
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因為有些常常叫業者補件這些資料如果說光是補件審查還有一些出審的時間就會那個如果是3加3就會比較比較很容易就超過這個那如果定成3加3那到時候通常恐怕是被迫要撥回申請會反而造成業者困擾 |
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當然如果因為上次也有跟文貴委員有初步溝通就是說如果就是說新聞及財經新聞頻道之外他其他的頻道的相對單純那一部分也許可以使用但是新聞及財經新聞頻道應該要除外這樣來處理好來提案委員有沒有建議來羅志強委員 |
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我觉得那个看NCC可不可以考虑就是说那个我们温委员这个版本里面它中间有那个第一项第三款第四款的文字修正这个部分你们没有意见吧前面的没有特别意见好 那我们就只有这个文字修正保存那你们刚刚讲的这部分我们就维持现状好了可以吗可以 |
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好那這樣子就第十條我問你念一下就是說你在第三款等於是公共秩序或善良風俗有明顯重大不利影響就是加入明顯重大四個字那以及第四款申請人之財務技術 |
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及執行能力名逗號明顯不足以實現其營運計畫所以就加入財務技術跟明顯不足這兩個 那後面3加3的部分就不予修正 |
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翁委員可以支持 翁委員可以接受那我想請教民進黨團可以接受嗎好OK那這樣子NCC這邊也可以接受好那我們就依第10條依翁曉琳委員提案修正後通過好那再來第11頁的第17條 |
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第十七條有國民黨團這邊有修正動議來 那是不是大家有收到來 我們工作同仁請發一下第十七條的修正動議有嗎好 那是不是請NCC這邊也來 |
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回應一下針對今天最新的修正動員裡頭有講像第三項的要有輔導改善這一部分我們是建議這邊可以不用修因為實務上這麼多年來因為評鑑相當於期中考過往歷史從來沒有發生評鑑不合格然後我們又叫他退學的這種情況從來沒有發生我們建議說 |
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對輔導改善是相對比實務上比較不會發生的可能我們建議輔導改善這個不用再修不用修維持原來就可以 |
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另外第5項這邊快速通關的哪些情況可以免以評鑑這一塊然後是每5年檢討之快速通關也跟委員報告我們現行其實現行的執法也已經有快速通關已經在處理的林氏動議這邊是說哪些可以快速通關授權MCE的執法來處理其實現在我們已經有所以這部分我們是贊同 |
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另外第四項這邊說什麼情況就要視為評鑑合格這邊我們會初步認為說這邊我們過往的一些評鑑會有一些對應的一些評鑑要看的一些項目如果這種情況之下其實它跟免疫評鑑快速通關其實是相對有部分是重疊或怎麼樣 |
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我們基本上也尊重三年改五年你們可以接受因為現在已經改成那個九年執照嘛這個我們OK好所以第一個三年改五年可以接受那第二是三年內處分未達三次及累積金額未達八十萬以上免於評鑑這一塊我們認為說因為這個 |
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本來我們是有人說這個幣值等等之類的假如這步伐要用到很久很久我們是建議說在執法處理就好這邊可以不用加了因為我們現在其實本來就已經訂有快速通關機制了我覺得應該是按照各式各樣的頻道的不同授權在辦法裡面去訂它就好但是可以提醒一下就是說我們要有快速通關機制倒是真的因為反正我們也做了 |
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那具體來講說第二項的修正其實在第五項授權NCC訂執法裡頭期待執法裡頭就可以處理啦所以第二項其實可以不用訂啦那如果要訂我們也尊重能不能現在因為這個修正動議現在提出來我們後面還有差不多五條條文能不能修正動議這邊NCC如果可以接受的部分能夠再提出版本那讓委員這邊因為羅志強委員主要跟翁小林委員主要是提案人 |
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如果說他們能夠確認因為你現在講說哪些要訂哪些不訂其實這樣子有點模糊而且你沒有辦法我也認同如果說你不要在募發裡面寫得清楚你執法裡面或者是說相關的這個細則裡面你把它給規範那但是你要怎麼樣把這個立法精神給放進去能不能現在我們最後再回來那現在可能NCC這邊有條文可以修正然後再給委員來做一個確認這樣好不好來請羅志祥委員 |
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因为我们上次协商那我觉得我也有稍微掺着NCC的意见我做了一点修正因为我看到我们新修再修正的版本那诉讼的那一块我把它拿掉了所以其实也是有回应你们的一部分的意见 |
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但是基本上您刚讲的问题我觉得基本上问题也不大其实差别也不大第一个就是说辅导改先辅导改正那如果你们觉得说没有这个必要的话那主管机关另期限期改正没有写辅导改正也可以 |
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因为要不要辅导改正我觉得都还其次那至于你刚刚讲的快速通关这个部分我觉得你们刚刚也讲说只是你们对金额的部分有点意见对不对所以金额会动对不对那我认为就是说 |
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这也是你今天不定也有不定的问题你定了有一个明确化的依据那定了以后明确化依据如果说真的有什么要浮动调整的那也不会是短期间的事情也不至于马上有太大的变动所以我倒是认为说前面我已经也有你们的意见我采纳了一些那这部分我觉得其实影响没有那么大你们自己都讲其实几乎没有评鉴不过的嘛 |
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那這種情況之下的話實際上這個部分也是安一些新聞業者的心啦好不好那如果這樣的話我覺得就我們這個條件就達成公示大概也不用再花時間再掃免可以嗎我有意見來我們選委員 |
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第一個我還是堅持這一定要放上去了這什麼快速通關你們NCC現在做的事情我們也不相信你們快速通關是你們自己的行政規則你們隨時都可以修改所以最好是把它明寫在裡面那我要講就之前因為當時我提的修法的時候那時候是執照期間是六年 |
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所以就说是办理评鉴的前三年之内不可以就是有受处罚超过三次然后累计金额不可以超过八十万因为现在已经拖到延长到九年了所以反而这个部分的话办理评鉴前三年等于说六年之内他的办理的前三年他坦白说这个现在的条件是比之前更宽松 |
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對然後如果說是這個沒有意見的話就第二項就維持那我也不去修改裡面的條件內容因為坦白說現在這樣的規定是對於衛星業者來講很容易就達標的很容易就達標那麼至於就說如果說真的是有評鑑不合格然後被撤銷處分被廢止他的處分 |
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可是我認為其實我覺得其實還是要這樣會對於衛星業者比較有保障好 來在討論的時候我這樣子還是我們希望是 |
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環境是要越來越好劣幣不要驅逐良幣而我們是要保障好的業者就如果說他自己都願意好好的督促自己然後守法或是說守合乎我們規定的話我們就不要刻意的刁難所以我現在先確認一下如果假設17條依照這個羅志強等委員等人提出來的修正動議那就是把 |
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第三段第一項評鑒結果不合格者主管機關應令其限其改正那就是把先輔導改善這五個字給拿掉那其他的部分就依照羅志強委員等幾位委員提出來的修正動議的文字內容修正通過NCC可以接受可以好 NCC可以接受那國民黨團民進黨團 |
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可以接受好 那這樣子我們就依照第17條依照羅志強委員等三人修正動議通過修正動議修正通過好那再來第18條一樣也是有修正動議 |
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應該是在同一份第18條 那也在我們第15頁來NCC麻煩 |
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是 跟主席跟各位報告新修正的修正動議18條這部分是對應第三項這邊把對新聞台換照申請英語準語換照為原則因為是相對跟前一版有修正動議我們是相對可以理解的可以接受程度是比原來高很多 |
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我會建議說文字起碼要對應第二條第八款的新聞台這個對應前面第二條第八款的定義部分把它扣連在一起新聞頻道及財經新聞頻道 |
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所以你指的是文字上來講主管機關應對於新聞頻道及財經新聞頻道換照申請等於是把新聞台這三個字換成法律用語新聞頻道及財經新聞頻道對不對 |
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等於是大家各退一步啦還是尊重我們主管機關的一個裁量但是另外一個部分也是保障我們現行合法的新聞台跟財經新聞頻道業者所以我們加入就是主管機關應對主管機關對於新聞頻道及財經新聞頻道換照申請逗號應以准語換照為原則句號那後面有個第二項之審酌標準 |
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也是修正嘛 是不是好 來請教我們民眾黨 民進黨跟國民黨團民進黨團可以接受好 國民黨團可以接受好 為免大家不知道我們還是留個紀錄剛剛陳培育委員比了一個OK羅志強委員比了一個OK好 那NCC也可以接受那這樣子我們第18條就依照委員羅志強等三人修正動議修正通過 |
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好 再來第19條在第16頁好 NCC麻煩19條這邊因為先前最新版的修正動議是上次在交友會這邊的我們會建議說如果可以的話臨時執照這邊是不是可以不用把它修訂進去 為什麼 |
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因為當初友林知道設計是無廣跟有限為什麼會設計是有限有限是因為當初是一區一家如果它斷訊或怎麼樣整個區域的收視會影響可是衛廣知道是它只是一個平台上的其中一個頻道而已我們覺得它的必要性是沒有那麼強 |
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如果假設一定要放進去的話它既然是參考郵廣法的我們會建議比照郵廣法的立法的方式就是說這邊 修正動議這邊寫應發給臨時執照郵廣法那邊是得發給 應改成得然後郵廣法那邊是最長不得預一年那這邊是兩年 我們會建議說 |
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我們第一志願是說不要修啦如果要修就比照油管法因改成德 兩年改成一年來 我們在場委員針對第19條 |
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我觉得这第19条我前面其实很多部分我相信那个NCC也看到一些部分我们都有很多的协商但第19条坦白讲是我认为我的提案当中重中之重那大概理由我们大概已经说了大概几百遍了所以今天我个人是觉得就保留吧我觉得这个部分我们这边我这边是坚持按照原来的条文谢谢好 |
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我們在場委員有沒有其他意見好就還是要給韓國院長的事情做就對了沒有辦法今天就改變了沒問題好沒有啦因為如果說真的沒有辦法有共識我想我們就聚焦那NCC可以在這一段時間如果說能夠溝通再溝通那如果沒有辦法溝通的話我們之後院長協商好不好那第19條我們就保留送院會處理那再來第20條 |
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對 第二十條因為已經在本屆第四會期第十六次院會三讀通過故本次就不予討論修正謝謝其實也是我們之前也已經在院會就已經有處理了好那再來第四十九條第二十一頁 |
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那跟主席報告 因為剛剛民眾黨張委員您同意第4條不修所以這邊可以不用修好第49條是連帶第4條那這樣子第49條不予修正維持維持現行條文好那再來第50條剛剛也已經修正過那再來是第23頁的第58條之一 |
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58條之一其實是剛第五條的連帶嘛對 12條之一的連帶對 那是不是如果說改成經營新聞及財經新聞頻道那或自播新聞節目之頻道這後面或自播新聞節目之頻道這表要給刪除對 主席正確就是說剛剛比照第12條之一的修正方式好 主體一樣 |
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那一樣就是20萬元以下200萬元以下罰還那另限期改善所以我再念一遍第58條之一糾正為經營新聞及財經新聞頻道之衛星廣播電視事業違反 後面沒錯另外立法紀錄上可不可以把它改為57條之一57條之一立法上會比較好一點 |
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好他應該是五十七條之一是不是好那初期委員沒有意見那我們就尊重NCC的建議那我們就改成五十七條之一的修正好那如果沒有意見的話五十七條之一依照台灣民眾黨團提案修正後通過 |
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好在23頁66條之一翁小林委員的提案來NCC這邊這是20條的19條的對應的罰則連動的 |
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因為19條我們保留嘛所以66條之一也就保留好那66條之一保留送院會處理好來整理一下好來各位委員我就稍微是不是要不要整理一下 |
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馬上會整理出來大家稍等一下我等一下把念一下我們今天的協商結論然後也請各位出席委員簽名畫押好感謝大家一個小時非常有效率而且專業的審查要等一下好不好我們請稍等一下拜託請稍等一下我們馬上請同仁整理完出來 |
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民眾黨補簽因為剛剛張其凱委員他的那個條文已經修正嘛那另外他57條之一他也可以接受 |
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谢谢大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
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5705.107 |
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要保留再去檯面找那邊討論好了再過一點 大家都好辛苦 |
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5747.659 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
5758.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
好各位委員我們報告一下今天1月12號禮拜一下午2點到3點30分在本院紅樓201會議室黨團協商結論跟依據這個衛星廣播電視法相關修法協商結論一協商通過條文第5條第10條增訂第12條之一17條18條 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
5770.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
5789.684 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
第五十條及原真定第五十八條之一條次修正為第五十七條之一如附件一二維持現行條文的有第四條第四十九條兩條均不予修正三保留條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
5791.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
5814.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
第十九條及第六十六條之一兩條條文四 第二十條於一百一十五年一月二日本屆第四會及第十六次院會依建復二讀之委員羅志強等二十五人提案三讀修正通過原不予修正五 其餘均照審查會審查結果通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
5817.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
5832.037 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
沒有問題的話那我們就請今天出席的協商代表大家簽字12條之一民眾黨那個因為有文字修正他的他的這個這個這個志向的是在哪邊去把他交代 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
5833.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
5860.828 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
就協商通過條文那剛剛有念過就是協商通過有修正通過所以第5條第10條增訂第12條之1第17條第18條第50條及原增訂第58條之1條次修正為第57條之1所以這個文字有修正就請剛剛依照我們審查的這個內容好不好好沒有問題的話就請各位代表簽名感謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
5868.786 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
5871.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
好 那今天協商到此散會 感謝大家 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
5900.674 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
5902.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
谢谢大家 |