| IVOD_ID |
17168 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17168 |
| 日期 |
2026-01-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2026-01-05T08:34:51+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-01-05T12:22:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:47:09 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/b41997f390c3528e1a34fb8cf4415d921268330e54312a5f081761262ea6c52ff883c48e28779c735ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-01-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處主計長陳淑姿、財政部部長莊翠雲、國防部副部長、海洋委員會副主任委員、海巡署副署長就「115年度中央政府總預算案至今尚未審查，對國家安全及地方建設的影響」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:34:51 - 12:22:00 |
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請主任秘書報告出席委員人數報告委員會出席委員已出法定人數現在開始開會請議事人員宣讀上次會議議事錄立法院第十一屆第四會期財政委員會第十五次全體委員會議議事錄時間中華民國一百二十四年十二月二十九日星期一九十一分至十十一分地點群修樓酒樓大禮堂出席委員中嘉賓委員等十三人 |
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列席委員黃建豪委員一人請假委員黃珊珊委員一人列席官員財政部部長莊翠雲及其所屬單位代表經濟部農業部交通部衛福部法務部等單位代表主席林昭吉委員失明報告四項宣讀上次會議議事錄決定議事錄確定 |
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討論事項一繼續審查海關進口碎折五案本院委員徐富奎等17人委員黃建豪等22人委員徐富奎等16人委員陳金輝等16人委員林詩敏等16人分別擬據海關進口碎折部分碎折修正草案等五案二審查海關進口碎折三案委員王弘為等22人委員羅廷偉等22人委員李業秀等19人分別擬據海關進口碎折部分碎折草案等三案三繼續審查 |
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使用牌照稅法五案一本院台灣民眾黨黨團女巨使用牌照稅法第五條及第七條條文修正草案案二委員牛許廷等十七人委員鍾嘉斌等十六人委員施銘等二十三人分別女巨使用牌照稅法第七條條文修正草案等三案三委員廖偉祥等十七人女巨使用牌照稅法第七條及第三十八條條文修正草案 |
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4.審查本院委員李彥秀等17人擬具使用牌照稅法第7條條文修正草案案決議1.海關進口稅則審查結果1.1107-1000未烘製麥芽1107-2000烘製麥芽軍造委員黃建豪 |
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等二十二人委員許富奎等十六人委員林詩敏等十六人委員王宏偉等二十二人委員羅廷偉等二十二人委員李燕秀等十九人提案通過二一二一零一零零零零或不花花壺蛇麻求果未經研磨或製粉或成團粒狀者 |
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12102 0000 霍布花 瓜胡 蛇麻 秋果以鹽製 或製粉 或成團力狀者啤酒花金 君照委員徐富奎等17人 委員黃俊豪等22人委員陳金輝等16人 委員林詩敏等16人委員王宏偉等22人 委員羅廷偉等22人委員李燕秀等19人 提案通過三審查完畢 並按理據審查報告提報 |
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討論 院會討論權不需交由黨團協商院會討論時由林昭紀委員失明補充說明二 使用牌照稅法審查結果一 |
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第五條不予處理二第七條照原林思明賴世保吳秉瑞郭國文李昆城等人所提修正再修正動議通過第一項第八款修正為供持有身心障礙手冊或證明並領有駕駛執照者使用且為該身心障礙者所有之車輛每人以一輛為限因身心障礙情況至無駕駛執照者其本人配偶同一戶及二親等以內親屬所有 |
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或二清等以内亲属所有且车籍地与该身心障碍者户籍地相同供该身心障碍者使用之车辆每一身心障碍者一辆为限但气缸总排气量超过2400立方公分完全以电能为动力之马达最大马力超过262英制马力光弧HP或265.9公制 |
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馬力光湖PS者其免稅金額為2400立方公分262英製馬力HP或265.9公製馬力PS車輛之稅額為限超過部分不予免徵其同線型條文必修正立法說明三 第38條維持線型條文視審查完略並按女巨審查報告提報院會討論 |
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院會討論權不需交由黨團協商院會討論時由林昭集委員失明補充說明宣讀完畢好我們請議事人員宣讀今日議程 |
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邀請行政院主計總處主計長陳淑芝財政部部長莊翠雲國防部副部長海洋委員會副主任委員海巡署副署長就一百一十五年度中央政府總預算案至今尚未審查對國家安全及地方建設的影響進行專題報告並被質詢宣讀完畢好那我們先介紹在場的委員在場委員吳秉瑞委員 |
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好 謝謝接下來我們來介紹行政院主計總署主計長陳淑芝公務預算處署長徐永毅財政部政務次長阮清華國庫署署長陳柏成負稅署副署長李志忠官務署副署長蘇淑珍國有財產署副署長郭曉榕 |
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財政資訊中心副主任謝明峰國防部副部長許思簡海洋委員會政務副主任委員張忠龍好 等一下的專題報告我們會先請行政院主計總署還有國防部來做報告我們現在先請行政院主計總署陳主計長進行專題報告 |
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主席各位委員女士先生今天很榮幸應邀列席對於115年度總預算至今尚未審查對國家安全和地方建設的影響提出報告之前要說明如下依預算法相關的一個規定總預算為一線完成審議時它經費動資的原則如下第一個依法定義務支出何時動資經常性經費和延續性經費 |
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只得在上年度的執行數範圍內動資第三新興資本和新增計劃還有第一倍金第二倍金和栽准金這不得動資那以上開的一個不得動資我們經過會診之後計2992億元那包括新興計劃1017億元 |
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经常性和原性系计划不得动之的部分呢1805亿元还有第一预备金和第二预备金还有灾准金总共170亿元那全数总预算为审议通过不得动之的项目对于国家安全影响如下第一个国防部的部分新型计划27亿元主要是办理战伤手术和急救医疗设备整备军事医疗投资计划等 |
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1971.604 |
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1991.845 |
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所以将不利平时暂时救命和续命装备的一个更新经常性和延续性进化不得执行的部分725亿将影响后备战力的提升部队演训的一个任务建军备战及人才培育训练等 |
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1992.446 |
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2016.059 |
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那二 海洋委員會的部分 新興計畫它是2.4它主要是在整建海巡老舊基層 停舍 開放老舊3-4GM的一個偵查系統 補強碼頭這些等等那如果沒有通過將影響海巡執勤的一個量能還有包括查緝緩毒的一個效能 |
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2016.519 |
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2040.975 |
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那经常性和延续性支出超过预算的一个114年度的部分是2.4那如果没有通过没有预算115没通过将影响海巡同仁执行时的安全保障那另外115年中预算案中有多项地方政府受益事项因此新计划包括中央自社及地方政府受益的1000 |
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2042.456 |
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2057.944 |
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一百三十億和地方補助款五百零七億總共六百三十七億將受到下面的一個影響第一個是直轄市和縣市財政均衡補助三百二十一億那這個部分新增的部分如果沒有分配這樣會影響 |
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2059.625 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2066.274 |
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地方財務調度的一個能力第二個縣市管河川和排水整治的一個計畫總共145億那這個部分嚴重衝擊地方災害調適的一個量能和增加淹水的風險那第三 全國循環轉區試點 |
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2076.047 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2102.476 |
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新材料循环产业园区新升起的设置计划60亿元影响大林浦1.1万的一个户的一个千村十城还有TPS行政院的一个计划将影响全国102万左右的一个通勤组的权益还有部件公共化拖曳设备14亿元那将帮助13个地方政府部件优化 |
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2103.777 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2114.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
49個公共托育設施影響我國整體公共托育的一個量能那台灣品牌賽事精選計畫8億元那這種賽事活動恐無法如期推動衝擊運動產業經濟的一個發展還有無人載具產業 |
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2124.519 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2147.657 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
發展的一個一個統籌型計畫7億元這個部分將會影響到中央地方運用無人機辦理警政水利農業等的一個相關的工作那八北回之巔的旗艦計畫5億元將會影響花蓮嘉義台南還有這些景觀和服務設施優化的一個推動還有第九高雄和屏東間的兩條寬速公路 |
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2150.899 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2175.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
4億元將延遲計劃用地取得和相關的一個進度再照歷史現場的3億元這個部分將造成場域內文化資產無法及時修復等影響另外11個新整建珠珠苗公立高中職學校校舍3億元的部分無法如期整建其中 |
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2176.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2200.564 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
祖祖廟地區的高中校舍影響教學活動重上總預算常委審議一通過將影響國防施政與國家安全和對地方公共建設的一個推動社會福利的措施造成影響希望大院能夠盡速審議必使各項福國利民的政策得以如期執行以上報告謝謝各位 |
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2202.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2203.959 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
主席 各位委員先進 大家早 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2220.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2249.277 |
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今天應邀參加大院貴委員會進行115年度中央政府總預算案至今尚未審查對國家安全及地方建設的影響專案報告請說明如後國防是國家安全的基石沒有堅強的國防實力國家安全就會面臨挑戰國防建設要能持續推動關鍵在於預算的支持 |
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2250.456 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2271.903 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
國防預算不僅是資源規劃的分配,更是向國際社會傳遞自我防衛決心及向敵人展現嚇阻戰力的重要戰略訊號。若未能如期審查,除影響建軍備戰,更可能造成國家安全的隱患。 |
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2273.615 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2296.093 |
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中共上週在台海周邊進行軍演,嚴重破壞印太地區和平穩定。加上共軍將具備武力犯台的能力,在敵情威脅嚴峻之際,時間已成為防衛作戰最昂貴且不可逆的資源。 |
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2297.284 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2314.415 |
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每一天的預算延宕都在消耗寶貴的準備時間若能盡速審查預算確保資源穩定的挹注才能展現捍衛民主的決心並在動盪的印太局勢中站穩腳跟 |
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2317.272 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2333.404 |
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15年國防部稅出預算便列5614億元較14年度增加875億元總預算案若位於大院本會期通過受影響預算780億元 |
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2338.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2367.703 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
如排除人員維持法律義務支出核實支應外將有21%的預算無法按原定期程執行難以在115年度內完成裝備籌貨、修護以及油料彈藥足額補充等主要受影響的層面及計劃有以下四點一、嚇阻力量的建置 |
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2369.028 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2395.782 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
近年中共威胁不断升高其由迅转眼、由严转战之可能性大幅提高因应急剧陡升的情势在防卫固守重层嚇阻军事战略指导下国军需快速筹建嚇阻战力遏制灰色地带袭扰若未获足额预算受影响的将有 |
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2397.089 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2425.586 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
遠程精準火力打擊系統也就是HIMARS魚叉飛彈海岸防衛系統CDCMF-16機作戰支援夾艙即武器彈藥籌購案各位都知道這一次軍演這個夾艙立了大功還有幻象2000等七型戰機的零附件戰備存量需求等 |
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2429.071 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2446.722 |
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二、不對稱戰力的建制面對中共日益擴大的多元軍事威懾國軍並多欲拒止任性防衛的作戰構想強化不對稱作戰的能力若未獲足額的預算受影響的包括標槍、飛彈、籌補 |
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2450.109 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2464.671 |
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刺针、飞弹、抽捕及战术数据链战术数据链路及连战指管系统等415亿3、保护我们的战斗人员 |
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2466.589 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2489.284 |
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為確保國軍在高強度衝突環境中提高人員作戰的持續力維持武器裝備的運作透過提升部隊訓練個人防護的裝備醫療救護設備及後勤支援補給等以鞏固部隊戰力若未獲足額預算受影響的包括戰鬥各裝F16型及後續的訓練 |
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2495.124 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2499.969 |
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5.56公里步槍鋼芯彈推動14天擴編動員及軍事教育訓練等88億四 照顧官兵 |
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2508.464 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2533.955 |
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军人是保家卫国的存在除了筹获先进武器装备同时积极完善官兵权益及优化服役的环境以凝聚团结向心若未获足额预算受影响的包括调增各级部队基本维持定额业务费阔户营级月增11700元廉级月增15000元 |
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2538.444 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2567.384 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
调高生育补助至每胎10万元及生活营舍修缮等43亿综上国军单位特性异于一般公务机关国防领域任何新启动的武器研发新购置的武器系统以及新搏剑的军事设施均归属新增计划未完成法定程序无法执行 |
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2568.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2590.891 |
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國防事政具高度的實效性與技術和競爭性當敵情威脅不斷提升就必須運用新增的計畫引進新的科技並增加部隊的訓練、油料與維保等作業維持費的需求以強化建軍備戰的能力嚇阻敵人進犯的意圖 |
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2592.253 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2616.573 |
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然受限於預算法規限制只能延誘上年度的框架影響裝備維保的量能削弱執管系統的韌性且無法對最新的敵情威脅與作戰環境作出因應賴總統於2026年新年談話表示沒有強韌的國防就不會有國家 |
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2617.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2631.299 |
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面對中國嚴峻的軍事野心,台灣沒有時間等待,更沒有時間蹉跎。以及,台灣必須做最壞的打算,也要做最好的準備。台灣戰略縱深較短, |
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2633.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2650.818 |
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较难以以空间换取时间必须在时间上积极争取更早的预警更快的决策以及更周全的准备敌人不会等我们准备好才来进犯坚实的国防力量是国家安全的保障 |
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2652.037 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2672.206 |
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敵情威脅嚴峻建軍備戰工作刻不容緩懇請大院盡速審查預算讓國防施政能在預算挹注下加速推動其心提升戰力守護國家安全以上報告敬請各位委員先進會與指教並鼎力協助謝謝 |
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2675.405 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2699.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
謝謝徐副部長的報告那關於財政部還有海委會的報告再請委員參閱書面報告那接下來開始詢答先做以下的宣告第一每位出席委員發言時間八分鐘必要時得延長兩分鐘每位列席委員發言時間五分鐘第二今日上午十點截止發言登記現在依登記順序請登記第一位的吳秉瑞委員質詢 |
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2716.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2746.002 |
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主席麻煩請國防部徐副部長請徐副部長徐副部長早我剛剛聆聽了你的報告你說敵情威脅不斷提升然後我們必須台灣必須要嚇阻敵人進犯的意圖這邊的敵情跟敵人你是指誰報告現在主要威脅我們的是解放軍 |
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2747.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2772.923 |
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就是中華人民共和國的中共的解放軍是不是好那為什麼會有一些我看到那個新聞報導還有媒體很多退將啊是從我們軍中退伍的這些將領常常敵我不分耶常常在替對岸講好話在替我們自己的國防在洩氣啊這個你有什麼看法 |
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2774.841 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2794.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
我想一日為國軍終生是應該就是要效忠國家這是毫無疑問的那我們之前也對於這個退降如果違反相關法令會對他們的退休分有所苛扣這個新規定出來以後退降 復錄的情況減少 |
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2795.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2824.358 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
不是曙光只有附路啦現在也有人在說可以在台灣裡面對方敵人在台灣裡面安排了有很多第五縱隊的協力者不一定講說他本身就第五縱隊他本身可能看了一些訊息什麼對自己沒有信心然後很容易被影響然後或是被利誘就變成協力者這個你們有沒有什麼在軍中如何讓我們的國軍同袍很清楚的了解我們的敵人是誰 |
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2826.089 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
2847.514 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
有 這個我們政戰跟相關的單位現在非常認真的在制定各種計畫要跟我們的官兵宣導相關的知識以及訊息並且我們也頒佈各種各樣的保密措施強化我們的保密作為 |
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2848.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2862.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
我們2300萬多的同胞在台灣安身立命每一年花費了這麼多的國防支出其實我們 你縱觀啦 這些年來的總計我們的敵人就只有一個嘛你會認為菲律賓會侵犯我國嗎還是南韓會侵犯我國嗎 還是日本會侵犯我國美國會侵犯我國嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
2872.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
2888.627 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
是不是我們真正的敵人其實歸納起來就只有一個就中華人民共和國對不對是他對我們有領土野心對我們各方面非常的不友好然後窮兵黷武圍台軍演等等結果 |
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2890.046 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
2909.761 |
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我覺得我們這個除了今天你講這個都很重要這個是有形的但是新防我覺得也很重要你同不同意非常同意那新防的部分如何加強現在中方對我們的認知戰沒有一天不再進行而且不只是針對我們國軍是針對我們全社會 |
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2913.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
2939.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
所以我們首先應該要強化我們國軍自己的心防這個我們會如果所說我們陣戰部門有很多計畫另外我們也願意跟整個政府的各個部會一起配合那你說這幾天今年才2026年的第一個禮拜世界的集權國家倒台了好幾個最眼前的例子 |
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2940.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
2964.084 |
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伊朗先不講 因為他現在正在全面動亂我是認為最後他也會倒台那你看看這個委內瑞拉的狀況你有什麼樣的感覺中共不是一直宣傳說他的武器多精良啊他的抵達多好怎麼美國去了他們完全都沒發現美國總統還有美國的國務卿還有美國的國防部親自出來開記者會他們對方都不知道 |
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2965.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
2977.821 |
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委內瑞拉的總統一個多小時就從美國開始發動行動一個多小時就抓到美國的軍艦上了那中共不是很了不起嗎這個國家不是都是靠中共在撐腰嗎那為什麼會這樣 |
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2979.432 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
2999.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
我相信美方裝備的精良程度跟委內瑞拉從俄羅斯以及中國這邊所獲得的武器的水準在這一次行動中展現無疑我要特別講一句就是委內瑞拉還不只是 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
3001.519 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
3029.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
它是哪一國武器的問題它最關鍵的是它的維修保障問題很大它平常的維修是不夠的那這一點對我們來講很重要這個裝備要不斷的維修要更新敵人在進步我們也必須要進步這是踏山之石可以攻錯了那同樣的台灣當然要一直精進可是現在預算沒省 |
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3031.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
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採購武器等等計畫都延宕那這個責任我看到世界的媒體都講說台灣是不是沒有辦法堅決的表達出他抵抗侵略的決心把國內的這個政治上面的對抗外擴讓國際之間對整個台灣產生錯誤的印象這個我覺得我們國防部有必要清楚的說明喔要讓我們的友邦能夠清楚知道什麼原因造成延宕 |
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不是台灣人不願意眷軍備戰我們當然知道最好的準備就是對我們自己的最好的武裝就是最心防然後堅強我對蔣介石先生很多行為民國初年的時候三四十年的時候在台灣的白色恐怖我不以為然但是他有一句話我是認同的物是敵之不來 政是無由以待之 |
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如果我們是不去做這個建軍這些國防武器的採購跟準備那全世界如果看我們國防部有什麼樣子的這個準備要向全世界說明這樣的狀況我想我們 |
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包括今天在大院這邊的詢答的內容我們也會適時的向外宣布在這一次的演習當中我們也很及時的向外發布我們的新聞稿說明我們應對的這個措施及時的措施那對於 |
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預算部分我想我們也會適時的向全世界跟我們的社會說明國防部是很負責任的提出年度及特別預算因應敵情增加我們的戰力其實藍白立委他們所做的除了延宕國防採購之外他們還試圖把這個責任也要加一些在你們身上因為他們用立法違憲的方式通過一個法律說每一個 |
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這個志願役的軍官薪水都要加3萬那這明明就是搶奪了行政權這違反中華民國憲法我現在先問一個問題請問2025年我們中華民國政府對於我們的國軍的這個心想是不是已經有增加了 |
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增加的幅度是怎麼樣增加的比例是多少請你說明一下我也好 我是主席局局長我們在114年就是2025年4月的時候在部長的指導之下我們已經針對於戰鬥部隊加級志願役加級等五項的加級我們都已經有調整了那是在整體財政規劃前提下去做的規劃也得到行政院的認同調整的比例多少 |
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調整的比例大概應該有大概接近200億左右增加200億做這些佳績大概有100多億是100多億做這些佳績所以118億很難因為每一個人所獲得的跟每一個軍種跟已經那個不是完全一致所以你很難在這邊詳細回答但是114年度我們中華民國政府對於我們的國軍事實上是有提升了一些待遇 |
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人事經費方面就增加100多億這是你講的嘛對不對是好 那現在我請問你現在在野黨利用他國會多數 應用法律規定每一個志願役軍人要加3萬順便還跟你講說就是因為行政院不願意編這3萬的預算所以他不願意審查預算 |
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他試圖還把責任掛在你身上所以我覺得你們也有義務要向我們的國軍做充分的說明其實購買國防武器照顧現在現役的軍人能夠保護軍人在戰場的時候這是很重要的事情以這個理由如果今天是3萬 我也不知道原因為什麼是3萬 他也從來沒有講過為什麼不是5萬 為什麼不是10萬為什麼不是2萬 為什麼不是1萬他用一個法律就規定每個人要加3萬 |
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然後就跟你講說你這三萬你不給他加進去我的國家預算就不給你審查還把這個責任要推到你國軍的身上你這樣細想之下你不會覺得很可怕嗎 |
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我不殺柏惟 柏惟因我而死結果你們最後跟你講說你國防武器的延宕採購就是因為你們預算你們的薪水沒有增加所以我們就不給你錢啦我們就不省預算啦整個中華民國的這個全部都被延宕啦那就是因為國軍沒有加這三萬塊沒有在我們的命令下因為我們要討好你們 |
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我們在野黨的立委要討好國軍要討好這些自由軍官所以你們這三份我硬要加給你加不到就讓中華民國整體的預算來墊倍聽起來是這樣的意思這樣你感受如何不知道副部長你的感受如何我這樣的論述不知道你的感受如何可不可以跟我們回答一下報委員我們希望 |
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大院能夠儘速把我們的預算排入審查議程我們願意在委員會裡面跟委員詳細的報告跟討論如果委員覺得有什麼需要調修的地方我們都願意一起來討論我們希望走正常的預算程序讓國家預算趕快通過 |
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這才是正道 另外我再提醒你喔無論是誰都要遵守中華民國憲法這個如果可以用這樣的方式那我可不可以立個法要求台積電每一個員工都要給我加給我每一個人月薪給我加一百萬不能用這樣的方式處理國家的行政權 |
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人事跟預算經費這是行政權的範圍如果有一天國防部長或是說整個行政院都不能決定軍人的軍人應該的薪水是多少這是可以討論的過程然後不是你們決定要別人來替你們決定那這樣行政權就沒有存在的必要啊這明明就是這麼違憲的事實啊他都敢幹還是依照中華民國憲法宣誓要就任的這個立法委員 |
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要敢這樣子幹把中華民國憲法視為無誤所以大家加油為了中華民國 為了大家為了我們的國家大家加油 謝謝謝謝吳委員因為剛剛議事人員已經有宣讀過上次的會議議事錄請問各位委員對於上次的議事錄有沒有異議沒有 好 謝謝接下來我們請議事錄確定接下來我們請內事保委員 |
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好 謝謝主席我先講一句話如愛其養 無愛其理 |
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今天我們民主國家立法院存在價值就是看緊人民荷包如果今天立法院三讀通過的案子行政部門都不遵守立法院可以廢掉了加上現在行政權加上替他維持的這個幾個五個大法官居然可以下行下解人數不夠還要說去把他釋憲 |
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就是行政權加司法權 掏空整個立法權啦所以這個預算卡在這裡只要承諾說我們省預算 一定把軍人加薪馬上省 他也不敢承諾啊 也不要承諾啊煩得早晚走去跑啦 解鈴還是吸鈴人啊公開呼籲賴清德 |
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可以停止或者收緊你的鬥性吧讓我們的憲政回到正常常軌來運作好 首先我們請海巡署的副主委兼不是 海外會的副主委兼海巡署的署長張副主委好 我們請張副主委主席會員好 |
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你們出那個大皮肉啊 這兩天人家炮聲濃濃啊今天我看到你在會前 你啊 這個挺身而出啊看起來一副啊 要替這個管媽來扛子彈的樣子喔你可以看喔 你可以看喔12月3日 中共的解放軍正在進行2025的正義使命演習時光是什麼 |
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還有主委管媽 plus你 plus底下的海巡署的八個分署長通通去吃飯啦然後留守的是副署長 副官所以怎麼樣 就大官吃飯 小官小兵上戰場我們都知道 這個演習是同作戰啦 |
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他這樣子這個發了幾十發的這種火箭彈都逼近我們的領海隨時可以打台灣的我們除了國安部的陸海空以外海軍的前第一就是海巡啊你身為海巡署的署長 |
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你們怎麼會讓這個事情發生而且你現在還對外承認還對外跟媒體講衣服扛起來這樣子說你建議 你決定是你的決定 你替我媽決定說繼續吃飯 是你決定的嗎是你建議的嗎 |
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這邊跟委員報告我這邊特別聲明的就是快點 時間短一點我今天特別聲明的是我們依據當天的整個狀況在12月30號的時候他們兩波次的射擊結束以後在當天的6點鐘所有的海警船跟軍艦都已經離開我們的限制水域所以本人在晚上的9點半就跟主委建議那會議可以照樣舉行 |
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那在隔天的早上5點半我們要特別評估一下海域狀況那海域狀況逐漸舒緩所有的船都往外開了這邊跟委員報告海巡署從成立到現在我們有11次從110年開始有總共有7次的應對軍隊經驗所以我們是非常有經驗有專業的一個團隊不是 難道他不會最後一天你的意思就是說那個時候結束了啦 |
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這邊跟委員說我們所有的運作機制並沒有因為停止啊 |
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我們現在的戰爭並不是你們主觀都在吃飯啦什麼叫停職你們主觀地線地線的人都是副官副主觀跟那個阿兵哥在那裡啊你們大頭頭的在那裡吃飯給人家觀感非常不好來 我再跟你講一句話因為今天今天你不是管媽啦我也不要把你罵太兇啦 |
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這個副主委啊 沒通啦當時候歇江村的時候 八八崩災的時候他就一個人 他跟他的義務吃飯就被轟到下台今天來講的話 全是正在打仗耶會死人的耶 |
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他的海警人進來你說已經出去了再回來這個時候上面都是副主管在那裡吃飯有這麼重要嗎延期有這麼困難嗎這個東西一句話而已好我再問你具體的這個錢誰出的 |
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跟務委員報告我這邊要特別聲明很清楚他是一個專業的團隊他有專業判斷所以我們應該尊重專業然後讓專業判斷如果今天沒有專業的判斷那我們現在的運作機制不就一塌糊塗了嗎所以政府有政府的一定一致的專業的判斷跟判斷機制你回答問題是錢誰出的啦 |
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跟委員報告錢是由主委的特制費所有的規定所有的使用規範都是符合政府的規範錢總共花了多少錢7萬多好不好這個你走以前我再講一句話你好好聽啦你不用回答啦很悲哀啦你居然在這裡還大聲在defense |
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所以啊 這個啊 前線打仗不如吃飯重要啦吃飯比較重要 吃飯不可以改啦打仗做於打仗啦 沒有關係重要主觀的key person 八個副署長都在署長 你是海巡署的署長 也在吃飯 都在吃飯啦這個東西 嚇死 嚇盡了這個丟了海巡署的臉 真的是我們的第一線是這樣 麻煩你請回吧我們請外交部的這個副部長 |
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我這邊可不可以說一下你下來 你下來不要耽誤時間不要耽誤時間來 請徐副部長請徐副部長 |
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副部長我們查了一下其實你的專業你要講國防也可以啦反正那個政治系的包山包海嘛可是看你的資歷我們叫check rank對不對兩年的外交部政策五年的國安會副秘書長再過來國安會諮詢委員資歷是完整的但是你國防 |
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你的國防的精力當然就是在國安會裡面設立一些啦這個也不能說你怎麼樣可是我們看到其實你最想去的是駐美代表不是嗎一度傳言你要去當駐美代表啊對不對 因為賴清德幾次沒辦法過去美國他就想要說換你去看能不能過去美國結果發現你去也過不了美國所以這個才改派國防部副部長 |
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這個我就請問你了來這裡講實話喔來立法院講實話喔外交部的副部長跟駐美大使你喜歡哪一個只要能夠替中華民國台灣工作我都願意哪一個工作你比較加薪救手啦任何工作都要在工作上學習 |
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學習的名字 學習這麼大國防部的副部長以前都是軍人出身的啦報告 報告委員國防部副部長是文人副部長是啦 但是過去的副部長也都是有軍方涉獵很多的啦你的軍方涉獵最多是跟你講說在國安會的時候有啦齁但是大家都了解其實那種門訪啦齁大家都了解大家都了解 其實 |
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你是去不了駐美代表才到國防部副部長國防部副部長老實講位子不比駐美代表低啦但是以你外交部的外交的一個長才你應該去駐美代表只是搞不定而已啦我們來看對於美國跑去委任抓馬杜洛我們政府的態度是什麼 |
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我們這種態度是什麼這個跟我們國家的利益比較沒有之間二樓社區打烏克蘭 我們就講話了啊我們就挺烏克蘭 譴責侵略請問這是不是侵略這是不是侵略 我問你是不是侵略是不是侵略如果有相關就是要強化我們自己應對突發狀況的準備是不是侵略嘛 就問你是不是侵略嘛 |
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俄羅斯進去烏克蘭他還是要保護他的子民啊旁邊烏東的地方都講俄羅斯語啊 |
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它是為了國家安全啊它怕這個NATO北約不斷的通過俄羅斯它是這樣講啊它出兵烏克蘭我們政府第一時間跳出來說這個侵略行為譴責你要不要譴責一下美國侵略委員會為了自身的私有利益安一個罪名不管這個罪名怎麼樣你怎麼可以到別的國家去抓人呢如果要這樣子用同樣的mindset |
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這個就是現在變成銅鑼主義了 門鑼主義的這個叫 Donald Trump 銅鑼主義中美美洲變成是美國的勢力範圍門鑼主義重要的核心思想就是美洲是美洲人的美洲同樣啊 大陸一直講啊 |
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在海這裡 中國大陸 台灣加台灣都是中國人的事情他自己來處理同樣的 mindset 他給你抓人喔你會不會擔心這個啊我們要強化我們自己引發突發狀況的能力你們準備好了 萬一他們要有所謂的斬首行動國防部準備好了沒有這跟你的關係有關係的根據我們突發狀況應對的規則我們有相關的準備有信心 |
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我們有相關的準備有沒有信心啊 準備有沒有信心啊準備永遠要精進有沒有信心說絕對不會被他們得逞我們要做好最好的準備所以你不敢講咧還講得這麼保守我都做球給你這麼大力做球給你你要表現啊 國防部副部長要表現說絕對沒有問題放心只要我到副部長一天絕對不會讓他得逞所以你敢不敢講可以嗎 你講完我就下去 |
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浩委員 根據我們自己的規定我們要做好最好的準備所以我希望大會能夠盡快審查我們的預算所以沒信心就對了好 謝謝賴委員國防預算通過之後他們會更有信心好 來 接下來我們請郭國文委員謝謝主席 我先請主席長請陳主席長 |
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委員好主席長好主席長本席有觀察到115年我們主計總數所看到的經濟所預估的經濟成長的數字是3.54%比較起央行跟台晶園來說都是比較偏高 |
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當然是每一個預測都有它的這個落差或者它的相對的精準度那主計總數這樣估計的3.54預計的人均的這個GDP會突破4萬美元但是GDP是個構成的要件當中一個其中很重要是政府的支出是 |
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而且政府的支出當中會影響到這個GDP的數字之外影響到間接影響的內需的這個消費本期是好奇就是說你在估計這個3.54的這個成長率的時候到底有沒有把這個預算的變數把它納入進去 |
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第一個呢 今年的預算沒有省今年度的預算沒有省今年度的預算當中總共有3000億接下來國防預算1.25兆這個8年的部分每年大概1500億加起來的部分就大約4500億直接的影響跟間接的影響GDP的部分到底有沒有納入要不要重新修正 |
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現在我跟委員報告一下就是說我們當然當初在考量的時候這是裡面它裡面有一些是屬於政府投資的部分或者資本財的部分那這個會影響的部分它大概100億它會影響0.05個百分比如果是消費性的它大概會影響0.03個百分比這樣子 |
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如果是100億的話有0.05對如果假設我們現在4500億的話影響的數字就相當大了對換算起來數字上0.05 |
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1000億就等於0.5%對啊 那1000億等於0.5%你這樣子的話0.5%你4500億那影響很大那你是不是要再重新評估一下因為我們公共支出的一個縮減特別預算的沒有審查如果這兩項的因素再加總下去的話應該不是3.54了吧 |
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对 所以这个部分对GDP是有影响那因为它影响大部分会分经济会和设备会那我们要看整个情形那下修大概是什么程度你能不能重新评估一次因为它评估下修的一个因素非常的多 |
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对 至少四大因素当中写得很清楚政府支出就是一个很重要的关键你刚刚在讲有影响所以说3.5是你原来预估当中并没有把这个变数放进去你就应该有重估的这个可能不是吗就我觉得本席就是提醒你回去重估也让国人知道因为你不省预算你没有通过这一个特别预算你会影响到GDP的成长你明年未必能够超过4万的这一个国民所得 对不对 |
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我们一半是三个月重估一次对 三个月重估一次你现在就要重估了不要等三个月我看现在的态势很可能没有过的比例比较大不然你做个民调不然现场问一下也可以再跟委员报告我们大概今年这样113年我们初估是7.37对 没关系你过去预估的我就不管你对 我要再跟你说这个程序 |
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你过去估计也有体棉标准可是这个很清楚会对GDP有影响你要跟国人讲清楚对 我在讨论检讨114年度的我会再做修正同时也修正115年度你刚刚说1000亿就0.5%这起码有4000亿就至少2% |
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这2%的影响你估计不过是3.54而已就影响到这个公共支出影响这么大这么大的冲击你等会拦腰斩半当然要重新评估怎么可以等到三个月以后好 接下来本席再问你一下 |
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另外一個部分因為財法法的部分我們不附屬可是第一版的財法法的時候在113年12月20號的時候就三讀通過那時候就影響到4165億下放給地方整整一年你一直在強調說要重新規劃事權 |
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财权跟事权是互相影响事权结顶财权财权也会影响到事权早期的影响最多的是1999年的这个精神的部分费神的部分所造成的一个冲击面可是现在已经一年了主席长我们应该去真实的面对这个问题 |
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撲鼠另外一回事那還有一個變數可是這一種形成定局的這個事權也許需要修法藍白不一定會過可是我們版本要出來我們要把問題攤出來面對現在真實的狀況第一個 哪些法需要修事權的歸屬需要修第二個 不需要修要修哪些規則 |
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让中央跟地方的这分工可以明确化不要造成日后的一个争议这个应该把它具体的拟出来这个主委长我要跟委员报告事实上我们在中央总预算里面其实对地方的一个补助里面不要谈到不用修士权的部分它就有一个一般性的补助这都原来是属于地方硬办的事情 |
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就是2501億然後再來就是一個就是計畫型的補助那我們在114年度是講將近2400億總預算的部分那這兩個部分因為我們不修條文的話再只能就針對 |
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如果说4165亿要给地方那我们只能针对对原来地方硬办的事项我们必须要做删减所以我们就会把原来一般性补助有一些是属于地方硬办的事项回归给地方去办理 是这样子了解 所以说只有在规则上来做调整目前都还没有需要修法 |
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还没有修到法这个部分就是这样子那再来就是有关原来省政府的部分其实它总共要拿走15%包括省政府就是4165再加上那个2501加起来总共要拿走15%就包含省政府的部分那原来省政府的业务 |
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把你需要修改的部分會後給本席一份因為我還要問國防部就放在後面了海委會 好不好謝謝 請回謝謝你整理一份給本席接下來我請那個副部長徐副部長還有包括我們還有一位副主委張總統副主委兩位請請徐副部長 張副主委 |
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副部長 你在國防報告書當中你有寫到這書面報告說將有高達780億人約有21%的國防預算未能約到原來的騎乘的部分這會不會造成影響到裝備彈藥跟不對稱的戰力的建構跟官兵訓練的動員之外這實質的影響之外會不會造成跟美方之間一個信諾的一個毀約 |
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鮑委員會 我前面就講過國防預算其實也是一個向國際社會表達我們自我防衛決心的一個重要的政治訊號是 你看2025年美國的這個國防安全戰略當中就指出台灣是通往第二島鏈的直接通道而且在第一島鏈當中扮演戰略阻斷的一個角色另外美國也不會單獨承擔第一島鏈的一個防衛任務也簡單的講過去被保護的對象轉為成戰略阻斷的一環特別是日本 |
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台灣跟菲律賓嘛 對不對如果是這樣的情況底下我們一直延宕這些預算會造成國防跟海巡戰力會出現時間的落差會不會造成這一種戰略履約能力的一個這一個失去信用 信心 |
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的確有這個可能性因為這裡面不只牽涉到是美國還有所有的有盟國家到時候甚至包括歐洲國家對我們這個台海和平穩定的支持如果是這樣子的話應該把這個如果有具體有約定有違約的話法律上的責任或政治上的一個承諾的嚴重性加以凸顯副部長你請回我接下來請海委會的張副主委 |
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主席委員好張副我剛剛就講到嘛從第一島鏈的部分台灣跟日本還有菲律賓嘛那過往我們在2016年的時候台日的海洋事務的這個合作對話的時候在20就有提到要簽署彼此的這一個海難搜索的救助的這個MOU |
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就我理解的部分一直到等到2024年的時候才有實際的行動在台日海巡在日本的千葉縣外面來做一個海外海的演練那這個部分目前為止第七屆的會議去年沒有召開今年還在磋商當中有沒有可能繼續強化台日海巡之間的合作來應對這個灰色作戰這是第一個 |
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海巡是我们第二海军第二个有没有可能从双边到多边因为现在的部分是台日之间有那个日飞之间有台飞之间没有台飞之间有台飞之间也有海难的部分就是各自双边但是没有多边有没有可能扩到多边那个付诸的求救教育您我先回答委员第一个问题那有关台制部分在我们签约以后对海难搜救跟救助一直都是在进行 |
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一直在進行那有一些這個演練的部分這邊因為市社機敏所以不適合在這邊適合在跟委員報告早日新聞都已經披露了你還在施設新秘有關實際的部分另外在台北部分我們本來就有合作的架構以時說現在三 |
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雙邊變成多邊的可能性有沒有可能在今年第七屆的會議當中來做深入的討論這是我們的議題之一跟委員報告議題之一因為跟委員報告就是說你的議題之一就是可能雙邊變成多邊也就是說本來是兩國會變成三國我就要問這個問題謝謝謝謝郭委員接下來我們請李彥秀委員 |
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謝謝主席我可不可以請主席長請陳主席長 |
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委員好 主席長早安在上一次的質詢當中我才跟您特別請教您是專業的事務官無論在過去的歷練非常完整在主計的部分在編列預算的部分你是最有經驗你也非常清楚針對預算法第54條包括修法的過程對於現在行政立法的僵局也好 |
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但是在總預算的部分其實都有法條可以處理無論是對於延續性新增的預算或者是延續性的新增預算或新增的計劃如果在今年年底沒有審完我們有什麼方式方法可以解套 |
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其實都有相關的法言依據針對預算法第54條我上面寫得非常清楚但是我非常遺憾的就是說我從看到你們的報告到現在為止我覺得我都不知道主計長還有我們主計處的同仁你們看到的法規是不是跟我看到的每一本不一樣我們預算法在全國的法規資料庫裡面的預算法寫得清清楚楚無論是延續性的預算 |
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可以动之或者是新增的预算有什么解套的方法第54条的解套方法你们都不在今天的报告里面提我要讲的就是说法律的适用解释不是像自助餐一样你们想要解释你们挑出来解释你们没有去看到整个预算法过去我们修正的过程是怎么样去解决如果行政立法有僵局的时候为了避免 |
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我們整個預算的實施的推動我們有什麼樣解套的方式所以這個就是我要在上一次質詢當中我提醒組計長的 |
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答案無論是針對延續性的預算可以直接動之新增的預算或者是延續性的預算新增的部分新增的計劃我們怎麼去處理其實都有解套的方法但是我也非常感謝主席長在今天我們也看到報告你們有把我上次提出來的到底有哪些項目是緊急需要的你也盤點出來但是主席長你有沒有去掌握 |
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從上次總預算送出來到今天為止我們所有部會針對於這些項目你認為有緊急需要要去溝通的你有沒有掌握到他們有沒有到委員各辦公室各政黨辦公室或各委員會委員的辦公室去做過溝通你有沒有掌握這一點 |
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因为这个各部会有各部会他们去处理所以不关你的事情不是这个部分我们只是说协助通知他或者是协助他主席讲你盘点你认为非常重要一定是他们告诉你哪些重要的那你自己一路从公务员最基层走上来你觉得跟各委员会沟通跟各政党沟通这些紧急需要重不重要重要是重要 |
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| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
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如果到目前為止沒有一個官員針對於你們送到主計長這邊送到行政院這邊告訴大家這些是緊急重要的預算你們緊急需求需要 |
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| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
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我覺得你們在喊緊急需要就是喊假的主席長 我要跟你講你過去也從議會出來在地方出來你非常知道哪些緊急需要透過大家溝通有共識需要不是只有喊話總統在今年元旦喊話行政立法大家要將心比心 |
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我們沒有看到一個官員來去做更多的溝通這樣對嗎解決僵局有些是政治的僵局但是有一些是你有行政手段可以處理的如果不是上一次我質詢你們趕快去挑出來我看今天所有的僵局可能都還留在喊話的階段我覺得要對話要實質去做溝通才有辦法去解決政治的部分政治處理 |
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5086.596 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
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但是實質可以處理的手段我們就要讓社會大眾知道說有一些事實上是可以動之的不會請不起手語老師不會廁所沒有衛生紙甚至是有一些緊急需要動之的我們趕快請相關部會自己去跟各委員會的委員做說明這都是應該有的標準的SOP程序我要接下來講跟委員再報告一下那是有順序的 |
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總預算從今年八九月就已經送到立法院哪些是緊急需要現在行政立法的矛盾跟僵局這個是政治來去做處理我們竟沒有看到 |
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院長跟各政黨之間大家有什麼樣在針對預算上溝通都只有看到是在媒體上喊話這些我不浪費我的時間去講所以我也先說我們就是逐步不要逐步 你們如果真的急的話就不要逐步趕快去做處理主席長 因為我今天時間有限因為我還有另外一題要問主席長 過去你從台南市政府上來所以其實過去的僵局 |
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無論是在民國一百年的時候台南實踐市合併後來也是因為行政地方議會府會之間的關係後來到六月才三讀通過當時也是本來當時的僵局後來也是因為賴市長跟議員道歉之後解決僵局所以一百年六月預算才通過然後在一百其實當時也有解套的方式預算還是有解套的方式 |
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5211.666 |
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6月才通過預算還是可以照樣執行就是說不是新增預算我要講的是地址法他預算還沒編就限料執行了所以他一定是按照舊的預算是嗎舊的預算還是可以動延續性的預算還是可以動他是縣市合併12月25才開始編預算主席長每一次的期限是不一樣的 |
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5245.738 |
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主席長 我要跟你講的不管一不一樣 地制法對於預算處理的方式事實上就法規來看 我覺得比中央的更嚴格因為我們中央有寫立法院同意之後就不在此限嘛 特別挑出來地制法是預算審完之後才能動之所以在程度上動之預算看起來其實我們比地方的更鬆只要立法院同意有丟出來那這個只限新興和新增計畫喔 |
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5248.139 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
5262.75 |
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對嘛那但是延續性經常經常性人事費用這樣都可以動之好所以主席長我覺得解決方式我覺得作為行政官員我覺得政治問題解決 |
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但是我看不到在這段時間對於預算你們覺得緊急需求你們的努力我覺得還有再加強的空間我時間先暫停主席我要請財政部財政部阮市長上來因為我要問一下GMP的議題謝謝主席長我們請阮市長沒有 阮市長 財政部委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
5294.419 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
5314.238 |
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我要問一下最低稅賦制的議題因為現在符合國際稅制的潮流我們都在推GMT最低稅賦制現在你們去年我在媒體上看到說你們今年是必要推而且要回溯這件事情現在是不是還是仍舊狀況到底是現在執行情形到底是怎麼樣 |
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跟委員報告這個案子已經報到行政院在核定當中但是因為目前的政經的狀況還不是很明確所以這一部分可能還要那是不是一定要回溯到底情況到底怎麼樣因為114年對於這36家上市上櫃跨國際的企業這些都是我們 |
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| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
5357.699 |
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繳稅的大戶對我們來說稅收影響非常高當然但是相對的是不是要回溯對他們也有很大的影響因為這些都是上市上歸公司這個都還要再研議了那是不是會回溯因為現在已經關帳的狀況現在到底是什麼樣的情形到目前還沒有確定 |
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5381.25 |
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都還不清楚不知道這件事情其實我同意很多事情很多新的政策要想清楚再做因為包括美國現在退出最低的稅賦制度所以這個對於當然最低稅賦制度對於我們的企業也好還有對於國家整個政策其實是有正面的幫助 |
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但是美國的退出最低稅賦制退出CMP事實上對於未來國際的稅改呈現稅片化的影響還是有的所以同時我覺得我們如果要推必須要跟產業界這36家37家國際的跨國企業做完整的溝通 |
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5422.839 |
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但是同時我覺得必須要有其他的配套措施譬如說新加坡他有一些退稅的制度或者是他有其他的獎勵措施來去引導他們再投資其他的產業就是說我的獎勵我補稅也好或者我退稅也好有其他的獎勵措施來去引導他們 |
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我們有沒有什麼相關的配套措施可以來去做處理這一部分都在通盤在研議當中通盤研議當中因為現在美國他已經退出這個制度將來會怎麼樣去發展我們要密切關注其他國家的一些做法我們做適度的做一個調整 |
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次長因為這36家跨國企業上市上位公司在去年114年這個就是財報已經關帳了那你如果要回溯這個影響衝擊會非常大特別是跨國企業這個稅負的穩定制是非常重要的這個後續你不講清楚說明白對他們衝擊是什麼對影響到所有股東的權益我們會納入考量然後後面要有什麼樣的配套措施我覺得我們要更清楚的 |
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5473.229 |
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5485.781 |
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去跟這36家跨國企業去做一些溝通來保持穩定性也不會損及所有股東的權益好 了解我們會配合辦理謝謝謝謝李委員接下來我們請羅明采委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
5502.827 |
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5529.878 |
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主席各位 初列席官員大家好主席可不可以請陳淑芝主記長以及國防部徐副部長請陳主記長 徐副部長各位委員好那請問115年度這個已經開始了今天是幾月幾號元月五號元月五號 |
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5530.657 |
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5535.34 |
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那115年時間到總預算怎麼還沒過呢這個部分我要拜託也要懇請貴院能夠來進行審查好啊 你拜託那我也拜託你啊現在軍人的部分是國家非常重要的一個基石那今年的軍人那個軍人加薪你有沒有編入總預算裡面 |
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5559.072 |
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5582.943 |
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這個部分因為人事總署認為這個部分是整個影響到整個一個所謂的公務人員整個薪資的一個結構所以這個部分第二個那本身這個部分的他裁員也必須要籌措因為他將近300億然後第三個就是說這個部分就是沒有 |
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5611.402 |
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一般他跟那個憲法裡面的規定就是說行政立法要先協商協商之後再來編列然後稠妥裁員再來編列這個部分是有違所以這個部分我們申請釋憲當中我們等釋憲結果我們就來辦理不是現在立法院裡面有哪一個委員反對軍人夾刑你把名字給我或你直接講出來 |
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5614.265 |
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軍人加薪是都OK但是你不能說我那個加薪的制度它整個是很複雜而且它整個在整個一個職者的一個制度上面它也很複雜所以它本身的加薪的制度以人事總處來看的話它各有各種的責任繁重的程度所以加薪的程度也是要不一樣 |
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5636.969 |
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5655.059 |
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所以而不是說我一致性的加一個額度這樣子對整個一個薪資的結構是破壞的然後對於所有的公務人員它也是不公平的所以這個部分就是要考慮的一個重點所以很複雜結果去年搞了一整年你們也沒對案所以我再請教一個才化法複不複雜 |
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5663.622 |
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5673.245 |
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財化法也複雜搞了20幾年到現在也沒方案出來或者我們已經過了我們有新的方案出來了我們過了你們不實施方案委員我們新的方案有出來為什麼感覺在你的這個嘴巴講出來都覺得很複雜那我問你一個問題你現在要國防預算 |
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特別條例要增加1.25兆請問複不複雜這個部分因為它本身是條例的部分有一部分是又涉及到機密這是不是請國防部來回答國防部國防部本席一直對於軍人的照顧福利的部分我特別特別的為他們爭取 |
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5719.875 |
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5748.904 |
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你知道現在的所有國防的這些軍人要招募容易不容易請回答報告我們有很多強化招募的措施是 我們現在的員額應該是要多少全部的軍人先講 秘密就不要講不然等一下被你扣帽子你可以講你就講 不要講就不要講 |
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請問我們軍人大概全國有多少軍人報告委員 這個限員數是這個還是機敏秘密 OK好 請問軍人的薪水會不會過低 |
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5782.784 |
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對不起 您說軍人薪水怎麼樣會不會過低是秘密就不要講了 沒關係不然等一下被扣帽子可是你可能會發現我一整天問下來全部都是秘密 |
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5814.266 |
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報告委員我是竹崎局局長請說軍人的薪資待遇您剛剛問的問題是不是會不會過低的問題是這部分感謝委員關切因為我們國軍也是整體公務人員的一環所以我們不管薪資待遇相關的薪資結構都必須跟 |
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5815.206 |
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軍工教的一致性的來做一個整體的規劃所以我覺得目前的薪資待遇在行政院整理規劃下目前我們都是依相關規定來辦理好 那請國防部是現在整個經濟的環境物價飆漲其實薪資遠遠趕不上物價飆漲的比率 |
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所以你們發現當一個雞腿便當70塊漲到140的時候是漲快一倍 接近一倍那我請問國防部軍人的薪水有沒有漲漲的比例調幅是多少調幅嗎 調幅 |
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5862.746 |
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5878.739 |
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這一段向委員報告去年軍人的薪資就有整體的調升依照行政院的指導提高多少去年是4%4%你知道剛剛本席所講的物價的漲幅已經漲了80% 90%你調高4%對軍人有沒有幫助 |
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| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
5899.077 |
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包委員有關軍人的待遇部分從105年到現在有加薪的事實整個加薪的一個比例加起來是14%14%那你從105年到現在你知不知道 |
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一个肉丸几块涨到几块足迹涨幅可能比较清楚物价的飙升讲给他听30条到5030条50的话涨20块他的涨幅这样算起来比例是多少就是将近60以上 |
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5932.76 |
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漲了60幾%結果軍人的調薪只有10幾%他講得好開心喔其實這是相對的剝奪感你知道我們現在都在講全立法院老農今天要增加對小朋友對嬰兒的照顧要國家要支持要增加那為什麼軍人我們明明已經通過了 |
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5975.038 |
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軍人的薪資要增加為什麼就不編呢好 國防部主席長先不要講國防部如果薪資都不調漲這樣會不會影響到 |
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5978.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
6001.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
国军的军力其实今年以来我们已经调了很多加级的部分所以实际上并不是完全没有调的所以调了以后第一点第二点呢这个军人也是整体国家政府人员的一部分要调也要配合行政院整体的一个政策不是这一个相对的剥夺感嘛 |
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6003.496 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
6030.718 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
美國講一句話你馬上就編1.25兆我們在立法院大力為軍人來支持講了半天也不過這個九牛一毛而已你們還摳死摳著不放包委員我們沒有不加但是要配合整個政府的政策一起來加好 那我問你一下政策要快 因為現在 |
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6031.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
6051.672 |
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每天都在過便當都在吃蚵仔麵線都在吃奶粉也在泡你的時間要趕得上啊你看國防部這裡寫說115年度中央政府總預算案至今尚未審查對國家安全及地方建設的影響有沒有影響報告有影響沒有 你打開第一頁第一個 無 |
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國防與國防安全最後一個寫無那個無是指機密性是無機密性這是我們新的精準機密的辦法所以這個都是無機密性的無機密性那你有機密性的才有問題有機密性的我剛問來全部都是機密那個人員編制的確是機密是機密是機密 |
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好 那是機密我們就要保護縣緣編制是機 縣緣編制是機密好 是機密的話我們就遵照你的意思是機密但是你還是跟我們要很多多數的立委站在一起我們一起為軍人加薪來努力好不好我們當然願意替軍人但是要配合整體政府的政策來 接著請阮清華 阮次長很重要喔好 請阮次長阮長您上來喔股市就上三萬點了 |
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你不信你上去看看卵次長這個是三萬點三萬點已經OK了本席在這裡喊了好幾年了從一萬點到兩萬點到三萬點穩穩的站穩了三萬點會不會 |
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股市很難預估但是目前的就是我們就是管理AI也好或者是高速運算也好等等這些因為我們是站在對的一方所以我們的產業的發展其實未來是滿好的但是現在市場都說政府不要讓它漲太多不要超過三萬點這個是真的嗎 |
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今天已經超過3萬點了對 你們在押所以聽說你們都開始偷賣台積電你有沒有在賣國安基金的台積電國安基金的我們不能賣你都不會賣嗎我們退場前我們都不賣 沒有賣退場前都沒有賣什麼時候退場退場就要看委員會來決議 |
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你不會突然明天說我這個禮拜就要退場你東西全部賣完了就要看委員會怎麼做決議了決議退場 我跟委員報告我們退場也不會說一天兩天就賣掉了我們要看市場的狀況我想三萬點是一個很重要的關卡我們希望經濟繼續成長大家拚經濟 全民一起共同來努力也不要打壓 |
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股票才剛剛漲 你們就一直在打壓不大好啦而且你們八大行庫也偷偷一直在壓盤讓它自由的發展 好不好我們是尊重市場機制 不會壓啦謝謝羅委員 謝謝接下來我們請中央嘉賓委員 |
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主席 在場委員先進列席的政府經濟發展官員會長 工作夥伴 媒體記者女士先生因為今天的主題比較集中先請我們陳主席長然後依序是阮清華次長海委會的張副主委以及國防部的徐副部長來 先請陳主席長另外三位可以準備委員好 |
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主席長好我們看到沒有一線期審完預算之後再重申一遍會有什麼受到影響我們往下一頁看是不是我們有分新興計畫跟增列額度如果沒有審議今年的預算沒有經過立法院審議新興計畫一毛都不能動對不對 |
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那增列的部分原來如果是列一千萬增列兩百萬一千兩百萬只能用一千萬的部分是增列部分用不到好那我們接下來請教財政部次長來我們來看財政部的東西來財政部長你看看其他兩位次長也先上來好了我們節省時間財政部的新興計劃當中促餐的部分包括要做交通設宅長照公托因為新興計劃不能辦財政部明年的促進促餐 |
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可不可以擴大到交通色彩跟長照公托對 就是說超過去年的執行數了都不能做不是 新興計畫是都不能做因為這是新興計畫你們的增列額度是什麼是養老給戶如果預算沒有審過我們公教人員的養老給戶不夠的部分領得到嗎這些因為它是法定義務支出所以這個養老給戶沒有審過一樣可以領還是要付還是要付 要怎麼付 |
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借錢來付那只好這樣子我們會統籌去好 那麼當然財務也管國產署國產署當中你看我們登革熱在南部是一個很嚴重的公共傳染疾病所以公有財產非公用使用的國產署管對不對那登革熱你炒要不要減啊那你沒有這筆新增的額度萬一今年度登革熱來那怎麼辦雜草長了登革熱流行怎麼辦那就沒辦法用 |
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那這個新興計畫被佔用的國產這是新興計畫喔這個就不是法定支出喔那這個你們就不能做了嗎對 就超過去年的執行書的那部分都不能用所以照這樣說藍白不省預算什麼人會開心佔用國產的人開心啊因為財政部沒法清查是這樣嗎藍白在幫助那些非法佔用國產的人民嗎是這樣的意思嗎 |
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所以我們希望我們統一算盡量能夠真正的人民他們會在意什麼民眾會在意統一發票獎金啦去年統一發票獎金被刪了對不對後來不夠發嘛後來你們是用追加這個是屬於增列的部分今年我們要增列喔如果沒有審過我們統一發票獎金是不是一樣會不夠 |
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跟委員報告因為統一發票這個給獎的獎金現在已改為法定義務支出已經改為法定義務支出了所以不用再領不到所以它不會受影響不會受影響 好那接下來退稅退稅要由國稅局來付手續費嘛是那你們手續費沒有編那是不是就退不到稅了 |
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對對 哇 大家聽得好如果退稅的手續費我們預算沒有審過沒有得編人民恐怕退不到稅這很嚴重 往下看超過去年的執行書來 我們再往海巡署謝謝陳副卵次長來 海巡來 海委會其實我們看到有一筆很大的錢這是屬於什麼 |
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這個海洋環境治理 污染防治潔淨海洋計畫變得一億多是副主委那如果預算沒有審過 我們海洋生態保育會不會開天窗會受影響會受影響 那目前的情況好不好 會不會被監察院糾正 |
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還是我們關心的是國人有一個捷徑的環境可以留給下一代還會怎麼辦如果預算沒有省了少了這一億多我們怎麼去執行我們這一個部分執行就會受到影響來 比這個也同樣嚴重的往下看海巡人員的人身保障不足你們在增加什麼保險嘛 |
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我們看到最近的中共的軍演我們海巡弟兄也很英勇是不是開著艦艇跟他正面的逼他退對不對是這些人員的保險安全保障夠嗎有沒有給他足夠的保險因為我們今年有增編了2226 |
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所以怎麼辦 會受到影響啊有些人口口聲聲說關心國家的安全立法院卻不給我們又要馬兒好 又不給馬兒吃草我們的人身安全保障不夠怎麼要求我們軍職的幹部為國來保障呢 是不是這樣還有一個很嚴重的聽說你們的無人機的量能構置OK但是有沒有訓練 要不要訓練 |
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要我們的訓練預算是不是都是屬於新增的是是 好啦 無人機買了你沒有訓練經費我們無人機能操作嗎各位報告 我們現在無人機的訓練就是要怎樣 自己土法煉鋼我們無人機訓練不需要花錢嗎需要花錢買了裝備 買了槍 不給你子彈不給你打靶 你會打嗎來 我們請國防部 |
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來 我們次長 部長我們看一下其實國軍弟兄在陳平的時候我們看到不久前還傳出了外島的部隊很多弟兄被詐騙對不對國防部有沒有做一些加強是 有結果看到你們增列了防詐獎席這筆錢如果沒有省過有辦法做防詐獎席嗎 |
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是沒辦法所以說啊口口聲聲關心國人被詐騙關心我們國軍弟兄被詐騙結果預算不審過那請問一下國防部你們怎麼跟官兵做防詐講習這個會受到影響還有比這個更嚴重的齊救包跟保險啊 |
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我們演習難免萬一有些意外狀況受傷我們需要保險對不對需要急救多少錢超過25億啊請問副部長如果預算沒有審過我們的國軍弟兄有人身安全的保險保障嗎報告委員不只是這樣我們還有戰鬥個裝也是保障我們的戰鬥人員戰鬥個裝好我們現在講戰鬥個裝往下看 |
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我們飛彈 我看到新聞報導飛彈 很多飛彈恐怕籌購的進入就要現在延宕但是我看不止啊你們還編在後勤欸這些彈藥還有訓練場所是不是這樣這些加起來的時候都要多少時候影響你們所謂的戰傷對不對急救醫療14億無人機13億戰傷的救護備戰都要用到 |
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怎麼辦 752億這些都是屬於新興資本支出或是屬於經常會的爭略部分的確是這樣我剛剛聽到有委員口口聲聲要幫我們國軍弟兄姊妹要來調高他們的待遇我們支不支持我們支持但是我們要強調一點 |
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我們在平常的演訓我們要給他充足的什麼福利待遇我們在戰備我們要給他精裝精良的武器能夠保護自己能夠有效的來戰鬥那哪一個重要都很重要所以我現在給你一個建議其實我們目前國軍當中 |
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老實說很多短疫期的志願役士官兵你知道是短疫期十年以下的嗎這些十年以下的他們都是二十郎當歲進來可能三十歲不到就退伍是不是你覺得他們從軍他們希望國家給他什麼給他好的裝備給他好的待遇 |
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是 我跟你講 這些任何國家都一樣短一期的志願役士官兵 他們年輕服役他們是為國家貢獻青春青春一去不復還青春值多少錢青春需要國家給他一個退伍轉業的保障你同不同意是 |
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他今天20歲到30歲他奉獻給國家他不是一輩子要在軍裡面發展他也不可能做到領月退所以他要的是什麼他先用他的青春歲月為其他人付出更多的時間他這10年可能在海上在前線 |
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他沒有辦法像其他的年輕人自由的休假快樂的去消費經常的出國但是他怎樣他可以為他30歲人生的第二春存第一桶金你同意嗎是所以我要提醒國防部思考一下對這些短一期的志願役士官兵要怎麼樣想到他30歲退伍後他的第二春怎麼規劃國防部有提供進修 深造 |
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學習 有沒有是鼓勵他們在軍旅生涯去念個學位 有沒有有有沒有想過 我先問你 你有沒有知道勞工的勞退 僱主要幫他提幾% |
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6%對不對農民退休儲金只要農民在10%以內他拿多少政府就拿多少最高10%換言之如果一個年輕的農民他可以在基本工資的3萬元的額度他每個月用10%3000政府要拿3000出來大家就有20%就有6000塊一個月存6000國軍目前短疫期志願士官兵有沒有這樣一個退休的一個制度來保障他有沒有 |
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有沒有來你們在找的時候我告訴你我是建議副部長您聽一下是 |
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其實我覺得對於這些短一期的自願意識官兵你要提供給一般勞工一般農民更高更強的退休的保障退伍的保障為什麼因為他不是退休他不是到了65歲60歲他退下來他是要去轉業所以他需要一個創業或轉業的資本如果說今天國防部可以研議我舉例我打個舉例比如說他這10年 |
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他前兩年你每年幫他存10%他的信奉的10%放在他的退休專戶你甚至讓他去買什麼 買TISA買ETF都可以讓他投資基金三四年調整到12.5%每兩年調整2.5%最後兩年你幫他存20%你覺得 |
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回去請你們算一下如果用這個方式你可以幫我們短一期的志願役士官兵他服役的年限到了他退伍了 他轉業了他是不是可以存一筆相當足夠的轉業或創業資本您覺得勒 夠不夠 |
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這是一個值得研究的一個方案可不可以按照這個構想提出一個方案來跟我報告我在財政委員會我們今天主席也站起來了我要告訴你其實我們鼓勵什麼強化國人尤其是年輕人的退休保障 |
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讓他們在年輕的時候他們付出了青春 付出了歲月國家給他在未來的生活他不是要退休 他是要轉業的他的這一桶金 他退休的時候拿你太早給他 |
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小心被詐騙他退伍後他30歲他要轉業他可能有家庭有小孩有配偶想買房想要再想辦法創業這樣的一個退伍的一個退休準備請國防部研議一個月內可以嗎是一月底前我們來研究一下好謝謝委員指教好那就承諾我了是好謝謝好謝謝總委員接下來我們請陳俊忠委員 |
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主席我們一樣請國防部然後國產署還有主計總署這三個單位我們請學副部長還有陳主計長還有國產署的副署長 |
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好 謝謝主席這個副部長是 副部長剛剛我聽到羅明蔡委員詢問您我們中華民國有多少軍人的時候你是一時之間回答不出來還是這是國家機密或者你不知道現原編制是機密 |
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現言編制有多少人是機密是不是我剛剛也想說可能是機密我上網查了一下我問了一下Google了一下中華民國有多少軍人馬上跑出來根據這個立法院的報告有寫了然後這個全球火力的這個我看還是很多單位這是公開資訊你的機密竟然是公開資訊立法院全球資訊網有寫這個美國之音粵語網有寫這個 |
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軍事網站全球火力也有公告你的國家機密竟然都登在這些各大網站裡頭然後我跟你講我練一下他的這個我剛剛搜尋的結果這是這不是我一個人可以讀得到的中華民國國軍協議金人在不可能報告中率而差大致都在17萬到21.5萬人中間然後接著還有呢我又查了一下你們軍方的國防部的網站 |
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我又查了一下國安部的網站他有寫招募的這個來 中華民國國安部的網站也有寫這個內容有寫說由於國軍美聯需求補充軍事官員的達一萬餘人 |
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裡面也寫在網站上面啊那不是縣委編制委員這些都不是縣委編制那他問你有多少軍人的時候他也不是問你什麼編制什麼他問你是來這裡有寫啊這個2025年11月12號台海軍情這是報導你看看國防部送到立法院的報告也寫啊編制啊 |
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總額在馬英九總統任內21.5萬至今年為11年之久然後接著接著這就公開資訊喔國防部的報告寫的喔編制已經接近23萬人這些都是公開資訊那個是編制不是現原編制我知道編線比我不一樣我也知道我非常尊重金門我來自金門我是來自一個最軍耐民民進軍的地方我是很好奇說你那時候沒有回答是因為它是國防機密還是說你不知道不是因為現原編制是機密 |
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這個部長 次長您好這個有一個問題我今天要詢問的是金門的這個問題那你應該也很尊重軍人也很在乎軍人吧當然啊那沒問題啊那我們今天討論說因為這個預算沒有通過總預算沒過所以剛剛很多比如中委員也講到說有很多什麼事情沒有辦法做那你剛剛也說到這個戰鬥人員很多辛苦好 你知道我們立法院三讀通過那個軍人加薪的這個法案你們知道嗎 |
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是知道嗎那做了沒 |
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報告委員 這件事情行政院現在有你不要管行政 國防部有沒有編我們是行政院的一部分你們是國防部 國防部有沒有編這個預算你們不編是不是我們要跟行政院同步 行政是一體的你不應該站在國防部的立場為軍人爭取權利嗎行政院如果不編 你不應該編嗎可是增加的方式要跟行政一體你就是只聽上面的不關心下面的我沒有不關心下面的委員你只聽行政院長不關心這個基層的官兵 |
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但是你應該怎麼做你站在國防部站在軍人上你應該編進去如果是行政把你刪掉我敬你是一條漢子什麼意思說老闆說不要編就不編然後軍人就 軍人這麼辛苦剛剛說科科生說要照顧軍人就蓋編預算的時候因為老闆說不要編不編有你這種人喔不是這個意思 報告委員不是這個意思不是啊 不是什麼意思 |
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我們軍人當然要照顧可是要跟整體的公務機關一起平衡那立法院都給你法源了嘛 你就編上去被行政院刪掉對不起 你已經全力為國防部的官兵爭取權益了 |
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報告委員現在這個事行政院刪掉行政院不支持那是行政院的考量嘛你站在為國軍弟兄的立場你就應該幫國軍編進去不然我就會覺得你就是取誠喪義你了解嗎因為有法源依據不是沒有啊你編了被刪掉被這個送到行政院會被刪掉那這個整體考量啊你要站在國防部的立場你要站在軍人的立場因為你是國防部尤其是國防部的副部長 |
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沒關係 今天不是要跟你討論這個金門的問題金門的土地問題跟我們國安部有很大的關係國安部當時因為軍事強佔金門的土地金門人的土地用了以後沒有歸還給老百姓有的是歸還以後又有一些設施沒有拆有的是找不到人還直接交給國產署導致金門鄉親還要跟國產署要買要租 |
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那這些東西本席借到非常多的這個陳情說要把我們人民的土地還給我們金門鄉親是不是本來就應該把上面的這些軍事建物拆除掉啊這基本你佔人家的土地在上面蓋房子要還了以後又不拆那是怎麼回事呢這個你回答一下你沒辦法回答是不是好那再來回答一下為什麼會這樣做 |
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包委員有關這個金門是不是這個國軍佔用這些土地的問題我想我們會不會把這個相關的這個事情已經澄清很多次了而且因為不是一件是普遍的另外一個金門的鄉親根據國軍軍事勤務導致人民傷亡損害條例賠償國防部說那是他個人行為不在國家賠償之列 |
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軍人有個人行為嗎都是國家的行為啊那軍方佔用國家土地很多都沒有使用要充斥所有權或繼承去購回那國防部一直說還在使用連我們前縣長李柱峰都跑去跟監察院陳情啊我們那時候好知道老百姓大到我們的那個上次我們的金門縣前縣長你看這張照片李柱峰縣長在那裡跑去跟監委陳情說國防部就是這樣子蠻狠 |
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包委員這個個案我們要不是個案我想是通案我只是舉他當例子因為他是前縣長通案啊你去問監察院每次去金門的話每次去金門在裡面講個人行為這是某一個個案我們要具體的了解他所說個人行為是說這個個人行為是指軍方的不是說我們這個縣長他意思是某一個案例還有個人行為這件事情嗎這不是通案的問題 |
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我舉這個例子只是這是一個例子但是普遍我想你可能不了解你們問誰負責這個部分的真的沒有接到很多陳情嗎這是軍備局這個事情今天沒有來因為本來今天是預算的部分沒關係 反正今天就有來的話很多可能也會變成國防機密照你的回答方式我沒有說是國防機密 |
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我沒有說這是國防機密你給他一點無後顧之憂的保障都沒有尤其戰鬥家我們沒有不給他保障 |
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有啊 因為你說行政院說這個可能什麼違憲啊什麼什麼每天拘泥在這個上面國防部就是應該編你讓行政院刪沒有關係站在你國防部的立場你就應該為軍人請命好 這個門口頂啊這個國產局 國產署啦 |
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這個門口門口這個問題你應該知道門前的一塊遍地空地有很多私領域那幾乎鄉下金門鄉下人家都有那早年對不對開放登記的時候金門老百姓那時候以前軍管時代老百姓都不懂這個法令那只登記所有權門前就沒有登記都被 |
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就說歸國有嘛 這些你們應該知道好來 那根據中華民國那個112年憲判制第20號就是也有相關的歷史是在日治時期 日本佔領的時候的那個私有土地總登記那個登記國有案裡頭有一些相關的判決主文就說在那個時候的相關的判決主文有說那人民基於在 |
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基於該土地所有權地位請求國家土消登記時沒有民法消滅時效規定之適用你知道這個判決嗎知道知道喔好那很簡單講它就有下面三點的這個意義就是說第一個推定權利歸屬的效率不是絕對依據第二個國家不受憲法財產權的保障國家第三個導致土地被登記為國有容許國家主張時效抗命是沒有正當性可言的 |
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我想請教國產署日據實在是這樣做基本早年被國家就是被軍方軍方就是國家侵佔真用的土地是不是也可以援運辦理 |
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報告委員因為根據這個憲判之二十號的意思你們是不是可以幫我們檢討憲判二十號的部分是指說如果說民眾在爭議所有權在透過法院判決的時候國參署不能夠主張時效抗辯那現在基本有很多這個例子就在軍戰軍管時期因為這樣子沒有辦法登記嘛現在登記回來的時候也是遇到一樣的情形只是那個憲判這個是處理日據時代我們基本就是有軍管時代嘛 |
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所以這個部分請你們回去幫我請好好的研究一下基本老百姓很多需要做這樣的登記的時候那一樣應該要比照這個先判制可以援引啦你們可以援引啦因為大家現在當老百姓要取回自己土地的時候都被用那個時效的那個方式來被駁回嘛 |
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回去研究一下 幫我們來解決很快給我答案好不好 兩個月可以嗎 謝謝主計總署 考試院調高的地方機關的職務劣等流財 115年今年2月就要上路提高各地方政府所有機關兼任的非主管升到8到9 涵蓋行政技術各方面 |
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地方政府的一級主管 上列7條到7到8 這個你知道嗎你知道這件事嗎 考試院這個最近的地方普遍的調高金門的主計單位來講 金門主計單位是用輪調制度就是說同一序列者會在國中小的會計主任 二級機關會計主任 鄉鎮所的主計人三個輪調 這三個是同一個序列 |
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那新制二月上路是不是只有二級機關會計主任才可以調整呢那其他包括在國小會計主任及時間到了嗎還有這個鄉鎮主計員都是新人就沒有辦法調升呢原則上他是因為他調整有一定的限額嘛那所以這個部分不是限額是公平性問題因為時間到我跟您請教我有發函給你們你沒有回覆啦 |
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對 所以這個部分你看一下這樣會造成的不公平一個剛從台灣調過來跟原來資深的這個過程中在這個整個 因為剛好有一個升等的部分在這個過程中整個要很公平的對待 |
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你要看一下你們再仔細的回覆好嗎在這個過程中這個處理原則要公平才不會說在不同時間點站到不同位置就會有不同的這個我們是請縣市政府要針對這部分做公平的調整好麻煩你要關注謝謝陳委員接下來我們請賴會議員委員 |
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好 謝謝主席有請主席總長還有我們財政部次長也邀請國防部副部長跟海委會副主委好 請陳主席長然後阮次長 徐副部長還有張副主委 |
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主席長今天1月5號2025剛結束是那去年一整年我們看到了全球經濟的一個動盪那加上國內房產房地產跟國內內需的一個起伏那我想在這裡請教主席長就是說其實如果從2025年我們整體的一個稅收的一個情況稅收的一個情況那 |
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還有就是說整體的整體的一些就是稅收跟稅入的相比這一個那沒關係主席長我先讓次長來回答我讓次長來回答對委員好 |
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是 處長這個剛才我就是說我們來盤點一下就是說在整個2025年的稅收那是稅收是超收還是稅入是切口我們可以看到了就是說部長他其實在 |
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上個月底他受訪的時候他有特別講到了今年的稅收可能短缺那可是不代表財政是轉壞是財政是轉壞那我們從一些數據上來看的話我們從就是說整體的一個數字上來看的話我們看到我們的貨物稅還有我們的特種那個 |
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特種貨物稅跟勞務稅還有地價稅土地稅這裡頭其實是短缺的那你怎麼樣來講說這個短缺的情形會不會影響到中央的統籌分配稅稅款還是要等到年底的一個精算才會知道我相信現在應該是已經知道了 |
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對 現在因為我們那個統計稅款是說年初的時候就會通報給地方政府去編列預算那到最後看是我們時增數超過預算數或者是少於預算數我們到時候在年初的時候再做調整 |
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所以到底應該基本上來講的話我們很明確的我們看到的數字是短缺的應該是短缺幾百億有可能但是我們還要因為到現在還在決算當中我跟你講不是有可能確實就是短缺目前我們預估是有沒有超過500億 |
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我們預估是大概400到600之間因為現在還在400到600之間好 次長那我想請教一下就是說土地增值稅跟營業稅光是我不問所有的我就是問光是中央的你的土增稅土增稅跟房屋合一稅少了多少 |
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還有貨物稅因為貨物稅其實也關係到就是說在去年一整年因為這個車價的一個問題造成消費者就是遲遲一直到了年底才開始買一些就是他們意期上意期上的希望買的車子那我要知道就是說貨物稅少了多少然後土增稅少了多少我這邊的資料 |
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我是不是請副署長來講比較清楚好誰可以回答我跟委員報告我們的貨物稅的部分大概就是截至11月的時候大概就一點1300多億大概達成率大概是77% |
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對 達成率77%可是還是短收嘛 對不對這是事實上是不是內需不如預期主要是我們因為受到美國關稅的影響再來就是我們的一些車輛類的部分大概有受到影響 |
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我們受到美國關稅的影響還有內需不如預期是的謝謝 次長那我再請教一下就是說關於所有這三項營業稅 土地增值稅黃地合一稅你到了最終就是其實這個數字你已經掌握在手上了對那如果跟預算數相差比差了多少相差比的數字 |
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市長你這個簡單的數字你怎麼沒有把它記在心裡你應該馬上回答我因為我這個是比較細項還是我沒有像陳一貞那麼兇那個房地合一稅房地合一稅是目前是大概是少了百分之大概會少了大概十幾億剛才還有剛才提到就是那個 |
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土生稅的問題土生稅的話大概少了165億我想在這裡跟財政部所有的同仁鼓勵也跟你們喊話加油因為總預算卡在程序委員會裡頭其實對每一個行政部門都是一個很大的困難那我們也要發揮我們自己的一個 |
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那個智慧那謝謝那接著主計長我再請教一下快過年了接下來各個地方政府都要花年終獎金還有考級獎金如果財政部統籌分配款無法無法足爾的撥補的話那地方政府怎麼過年那主計總署你的一般性一般性補助款會不會先撥呢還是先借給地方政府來過年 |
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對 我們這個因為地方號過年的時候它初步報出來需求大概需要一千多億那一千多億這個部分我們有一些的譬如說社會福利方面的補助款我們就提前全部先撥來協助他們在一個財務的調度那另外在少子女化我們也一次撥到六月了所以整個調整下來目前大概有 |
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五個縣市它缺口是20億那20億這個部分我們也逐一打電話逐一打電話去問他這個部分有沒有他們調度不調得過來他們都說OK所以目前是所有都已經協調完畢所以這個部分我們供應也發出去大概整個一個年關調度的時候 |
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那我再請教你以台南市為例的話原本他是那個申請125億後來你們就是說大概是給了80億那其實這個會不會影響到台南市政府甚至就是全國的這個所有的公務人員他的考積獎金還有就是說他的年終獎金我只要你回答我會不會 |
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不會啦 這個部分因為我們這是針對年關調度的一個特別的措施然後我們也很多的計畫事先提前撥款那是這樣 是提前撥款是 所以主計總署非常有信心就是不會讓地方政府斷糧因為我們逐一縣市都聯絡過對 你逐一都聯絡過好 謝謝 那也跟主計長加油接著我們請國安部部長 |
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是 部長部長早安我想我們的國防預算是不是可以應付這樣的一個經驗經驗的規模一直都在擴大可是國防的預算卻被卡關到底就是說 |
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我們知道就是說在今年的過年我們有很多軍人臨時被召回軍營甚至有不少人是在軍隊中過了一個跨年在這裡也跟你們致意那就是 |
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經驗的規模變大了國防預算被卡住了到底你們要面對這麼大的一個花費這些錢每一次共經的一個演練的一次我們應對的花費要增加很多增加很多那有沒有準備好 |
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報告委員 這個分兩個部分回答您第一個 這一次演習過程並不叫統一的召回那它是各部隊戰備需求由各指揮官自行決定的召回是 不是臨時的召回是本來就是在議期中就是要召回了 |
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因為應付這個緊急的情況各指揮官自己下命令這是第一個部分那第二部分關於這次預算的影響剛才我也報告我再簡單講有四個部分嚇阻的戰力包括各種各樣的飛彈不對稱的戰力包括標槍 |
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刺針等等還有戰鬥人員的保護譬如說個裝 醫療等等最後是對官兵的照顧在這四個方面我們受到影響 |
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好 那再請教你就是說整個軍演它其實是擴大了它的油錢的切口年年的漲那你這個預算卡關揮機可以不可以揮你看 你的油瓶採購逐年在增加連續4年已經不敷使用了 |
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那如果你在沿用去年的預算當然我們知道就是說你可以用預算法54條你照樣可以沿用114年的預算照常的來使用可是這個軍演這個頻率增加了這麼大 |
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那你看就是所有就是我這個跟你整理出來的從109年到113年甚至你114年你還增列了11億當然115年你才多增加了4000萬你是夠不夠你不能有飛機結果你沒有油錢會不會這樣子一個困境我們請主席回答您好 |
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委員好 我是主席局長有關油料的部分誠如剛剛委員講我們是逐年都在調整調整的原因當然就是因為敵情威脅日趨嚴重就像上禮拜突然他又宣布要一個演習所以我們的油料可能我之前可以先用以前的經驗去推估 去調整但是因應突發的狀況 |
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这笔钱我势必是没有编在原来的年度预算内那如果突发的状况你也一样有钱那你也准备好了你从哪边去挪用因为钱一定是灵活的这个预算是灵活的是 各位报告因为以油料预算为例115年我们编了116亿比114年我们大概增加了4亿多那这部分当然如果说现在这个时间你有增加4亿多 |
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我們原本編是112億然後115年編了116億就油料的部分如果說現在我們去運用的話因為我增加數是4億所以在油料的額度上面可能我們會被管制的目前的額度大概4億如果上半年這部分如果是臨時的一些狀況我們可能要移緩計級增加的部分就是沒辦法去動資 |
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好 謝謝賴委員到了下半年可能就有一點會捉襟見肘好 我們再來想辦法好不好是好 謝謝主席好 謝謝賴委員接下來我們請顏寬恆委員 |
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主席各位列席官員大家好主席有請國防部徐副部長我們請徐副部長國務院好徐副部長你好今天的專報其實我們在上一次會議我就已經說過了這個只要行政院如實編列軍人加薪的預算總預算就可以馬上附為審查 |
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奈何就是辭職不鞭那剛剛其他委員也有問是國防部自己不鞭還是行政院不准所以是國防部自己不鞭所以你身為國防部的副部長結果連自己都不挺我們的國防弟兄把國軍放在心上這每一個人都在講但是沒有人在做所以我知道你是外交常財 |
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那代表我國出席過許多的國際戰略交流類的這樣子一個論壇跟會議但我不曉得說副部長你有沒有親自這個到部隊去第一線去了解軍人的聲音上一次的會議我在這邊舉出我們榮景鄉親的例子那這一次就帶部長我們的副部長來看一看國軍在網路上是怎麼樣看待軍人這一份職業 |
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無論是當過志願役的還是義務役的其實都知道現在國軍是非常的缺人那大多數都不願意繼續擔任軍人這個職務那從這個圖片上網友的評論你可以看到說基層的問題很多那總結來看就是第一個待遇不好錢少工時長那休假常被召回 |
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等等的這些不合邏輯的這樣子的一個原因但是軍隊紀律注重成績的節制所以導致許多人不願意將軍人視為一份長期可發展的職業所以副部長對於普遍基層軍人這樣來評論國軍這一份職業以及點出現存的問題請問你的回應 |
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謝謝委員指教您所找到這個資料它多大程度是一個普遍現象我覺得我們可能還要再考察一下因為它並不是經過科學的隨機抽樣找到的一個資料當然有這樣的意見我們會深入這是第一點第二點我們沒有不照顧官兵我們也不是說 |
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我們不願意編 而是基於行政議題我們尊重行政院的目前的這個向法院的一個訴訟所以我們要等這個結果那我們也今年應該說去年我們也有很多佳績更誇張 各種各樣的佳績副部長 更誇張的是我們的委員我們的委員說只有僱傭兵才會為錢打仗 |
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這讓人家大肆一驚加薪增加這樣子的一個為我們國軍弟兄來增加他們權益然後呢來體恤他們的辛勞以及招募更多優秀的人才這個是我們的目標啊對不對那所以 |
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如果說連基本的需求都不能滿足那就更不要去談什麼福利升遷這些基地的部分你連基本的做不到你還在談什麼未來這些很幻想的東西空幻的東西空泛的東西所以這種說法是不只是傷害國軍的士氣也暴露出執政黨對於軍事現實的一個嚴重的誤判世界上沒有任何一支軍隊是靠 |
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情懷撐起來的所以合理的薪資 基本待遇是最基本的一個制度條件不是獎勵 也不是施捨對不對 是不是這樣子 副部長 |
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報委員關於這是最基本的吧關於軍人待遇我們沒有不調但是他是整體行政院調整一部分但是我沒有看到國防部站出來澄清或者是譴責或者是批判這樣子的言論所以等於是說國防部我們這些長官是不是都已經默認了把軍人 |
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加薪 均能增加待遇變成是一個唯利是圖那這樣子的情況是不是讓我們的這些從軍的國軍將士情何以堪提高待遇各行各業都要啦不是只有國軍但是面對目前兩岸的局勢 |
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這樣子一個緊張的狀態有可能發生任何的這樣子的一個情況的時候我們現在缺人缺武器什麼都缺 |
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連待遇也缺那怎麼樣提升國防戰力呢怎麼樣來提升防衛任性呢強化戰力這些東西所以你連基本待遇都不願意協助他們那怎麼樣要求他們呢未來使用武器的也是國軍未來上戰場的也是國軍抵禦外敵的也是國軍對不對可是我們的一個一個待遇低人手不足那何談戰力戰力要怎麼去 |
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講這些東西我們去年有五項加擠志願役 勤務加擠 戰鬥部隊加擠戰航管加擠 電偵加擠 網路戰加擠這些加擠全部加總起來我請教一下副部長我們現在基層的阿兵哥二等兵 一等兵 上等兵多少錢4萬2 4萬4 4萬5是不是這樣子 |
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對不對 對嘛那如果說我想要請教說我們副部長如果你不譴責我們中委員說的只有僱傭兵才看錢打仗才要拿錢打仗如果你不譴責這樣子的言論那就等於是國防部支持那請問我們長官你們願不願意自請調降你們的薪水因為你們不是拿錢打仗的嘛你們不是拿錢保衛國家的嘛 |
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| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
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願不願意跟我們第一線的阿兵哥一等兵 二等兵 上等兵拿一樣的薪水 拿一樣的待遇外高權重 你應該要來爭取為我們第一線 我們的國軍我們這些阿兵哥士官來提升他們的權益嘛 照顧他們然後我們要購買這個 |
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8855.041 |
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國防的武器我們要軍購我們也不反對我們只希望你們提高軍人的待遇加薪把這個案子你們只要送進來一定可以馬上審查國防預算一定可以馬上赴委報告委員如果赴委以後我們就可以公開討論一案一案的來討論那你預算不送進來啊你沒有加薪啊報告這個事情也可以在赴委之後討論啊 |
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你沒有這個不要把兩個混在一起這個是最基本的條件我們三讀通過了為國軍加薪為我們的警消海巡的部分提高他們的一個這些權益的部分三讀通過了不編預算包委員我剛講過我們的立場是我們是行政的一部分行政是一體的 |
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8910.77 |
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所以我說你們隨便說要照顧阿明哥我們的國軍弟兄要照顧他們事實上是沒有做你們連做都沒做如果你做了被行政院否決不是 你們做了如果被行政院否決OK 這是行政院的決定作為下屬單位尊重上屬 沒有錯但是問題你連做都沒做所以我在這邊要告訴你 副部長 |
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8912.22 |
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8926.027 |
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如果只要你們馬上編列我們軍人加薪還有我們的這些部分只要一編列就可以馬上復違好不好好我們副部長請回謝謝主席有請我們陳組長好陳組長委員好 |
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主席長你好其實講了很多不管說你說預算沒有過絕對影響經濟政府消費投資受挫這些議題我們在去年就已經都討論過了但是經濟成長除了說政府消費還有政府投資還包括民間消費民間投資還有出口你把這些焦點全部把它拉到政府端 |
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8982.804 |
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等於說把景氣好壞 投資信心強弱還有外需的冷熱全部硬塞成預算過不過這單一個原因把全部這些把它塞在政府端說是因為預算不過所以這是偷換概念所以主委長在民間消費投資出口等數據都還沒有出來的情況目前那你是透過什麼樣的數據來說 |
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8986.052 |
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8988.366 |
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你透過什麼樣的數據可以預算出影響 |
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經濟的結論因為這些預算不過而影響經濟的結論你可告訴我一下 簡單說明是 所以我們說不是全部啦但是問題就是說你如果業務費和設備費那每100億大概會影響0.05%但是你如果說消費的部分呢消費的部分本身就是每100億影響0.03是這樣子所以這個部分但是因為你還有出口啊還有進口這些等等 |
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你都把他怪罪說是預算不夠但是我們只是預估裡面這裡面就是針對他100億來做台灣的經濟成長絕對不是靠政府花錢來撐 是當然但是他投資是算在哪裡中我們不要把人民當作笨蛋因為不要忽略 |
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9051.837 |
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不要忽略國務委員對於我國經濟的努力跟付出所以不要這樣子不斷的放話說預算未過的影響經濟 對不對所以我希望你是專業事務官所以回到你真正應該辦你的本分好不好是 謝謝 謝謝委員好 謝謝好 謝謝坤衡委員接著請李坤誠召委諮詢 |
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謝謝主席 我先請阮次長好 阮次長次長好 等一下談總預算比較沉重一點先講一點好消息好了股市上萬點 這是第一次吧第一次股市上三萬點有沒有預期說上三萬點會來得這麼早 |
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9114.174 |
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會怎麼樣來得這麼快那麼早還是本來就有預期了因為市場真的是很難預估不過最近因為我們這個像比如說像AI或者是說高速運算等等這些這個新興的產業的發展真的非常的快速那當然也反映到這個股價上面 |
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所以我們的股市現在整個市值都超過100兆以上所以居全世界第8位所以過去大概很難預料但是現在看起來是今天已經正式超過3萬點以前大家覺得說3萬點好像不太可能發生但是今天就發生了所以市長認為這一個上3萬點的原因是在哪裡 |
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9140.275 |
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最主要我覺得還是我們幾個關鍵產業的發揮重大的一個作用我們都是AI 高科技我看今天能夠上三萬點應該也是台積電的功勞嗎台積電它今天就漲了95塊它只要是漲一塊它就帶動八點所以它今天大概帶動了七八百點了吧它都貢獻了七八百點 |
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9161.986 |
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9185.925 |
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對啊 這個大家也在關心就是說這個會不會成為今年的股市又是成為台積電一個人的武林因為大家有去看過就是說去年雖然我們股市有在漲每個股民平均賺也是大概平均大概賺140萬左右但是我們有將近百分之四十幾家的所有上市公司是在這個年限以下的 |
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超過一半是在年限以下的所以這其實市長認為說這樣子的發展健不健康當然我們是希望說產業的發展能夠更平衡目前是有一點兩極化的味道就是比較高科技的跟AI有關的跟高順運算跟伺服器有關這樣子的發展對台灣的經濟來講 |
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這樣會好嗎因為反映在股市上面因為其實你看今天雖然是漲到三萬點但是下跌的比上漲的加速還多所以這一部分可能就是希望我們在跨部會來努力能夠協助那些比較相對比較傳產的這些產業 |
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9228.352 |
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9254.897 |
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能夠持續來升級對啊 不要就是說今年還是變成是台積電一個人的武林就是只有他獨領風騷這樣其實長期以來對於台灣的產業發展並不好就像次長所講的會呈現兩極化的發展這個可能要稍微注意一下是 我們有在注意好 謝謝次長接下來我們請這個國防部徐副部長好 國防部徐副部長 |
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副部長當然這兩天最大的國際新聞就是委內瑞拉的總統被美軍抓走了然後外界就說這個是一個美軍對於委內瑞拉的一個斬首的行動當然有些人在台灣就會講說那中共是不是也有類似的這個斬首的行動其實他們的這個斬首行動是從 |
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| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
9300.377 |
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2015年 據手邊有的資料2015年其實他們就是在這一個內蒙古的一個朱日和他們一個基地其實就開始了那2015年 這還不是民進黨執政這是國民黨執政時期所以從2015年其實 |
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| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
9317.992 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
這個在中國來講他們就在他們的內蒙古自治區朱日和他們就有一個模擬總統府的一個基地當然現在這個基地越做越像去年10月日本的智庫國際演他也有提到一個報告 |
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9319.133 |
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9342.885 |
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中國人民解放軍正在強化對台灣的這個斬首作戰的演練他除了有總統府還有模擬我們的司法院模擬外交部甚至連這一個他們所謂的這個地下通道到底有沒有其實我也不確定很模擬一個從司法院到總統府的一個280公尺的一個地下通道那請問一下你們對於這一個中國解放軍的這一個斬首作戰的類似的這種計畫有沒有掌握 |
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9344.522 |
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9365.971 |
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包括我們國軍有突發狀況處置規定對於各種突發狀況我們有想定然後根據想定進行相關的訓練所以也包含解放軍有可能會進行整首作戰是的 包括委員相關的敵情我們都有納入年度的訓練計畫裡面 |
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9387.013 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
那所以說對於這一個中共這一個他們的一個在諸日和的基地的這一個部署的情況你們也都有掌握嗎包委員 是的有關共軍所有的這個比較大型的地面的訓練中心那我們情勢是都有所掌握好 那我再請教一下副部長今天的這一個 |
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9389.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
9415.976 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
報告當然最主要就是說所有的我們關於新興的計劃新增計劃我們的預算都會受到影響我看到國防部的報告裡面特別有提到就是說我們有一個F16型的作戰資源夾艙還有武器彈藥的籌購案這個是整個計劃會受到影響嗎就是它有新增額度的部分會受到影響新增額度大概會多少會受到影響 |
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9418.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
9426.359 |
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你們這邊寫200億 是包含精準火力打擊系統還有魚叉飛彈 還有F16型的甲艙還有彈藥籌購 還有M2000G10附件的存量需求這是你們的報告 |
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9440.782 |
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9453.783 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
因為這次的這一個中國的軍演裡面那至少我們看到說我們這一個F6型的這個甲艙它有競爭鎖定 對不對那接下來如果這個預算沒有通過的話那這個方面是不是會受到影響 |
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9474.309 |
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是 包委員我是建軍處處長這方面確實是會受到影響這方面美軍剛跟合約商訂約如果今年沒有預算沒有過的話將影響到後續的備料跟產制作業那整個案子大概是30億元就是說我們已經決定要跟美方買了 |
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9492.088 |
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但是因為總運算沒有通過所以變成說我們這30億沒有錢去付 去付美方所以就拿不到這些是算是零件嗎 還是怎麼樣會影響到組件的交運那接下來怎麼去因為中國軍演他隨時來就來那接下來怎麼辦 |
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9497.927 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
9527.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
我們必須要透過各式的會議跟美方協商後續是否可以準時的交易我們也會向立院委員說明希望能夠讓預算盡量的進步因為你們很多包含這一些我們要購買的武器也會受到影響包含這一個標槍飛彈 四針飛彈甚至連這個油料的撥補都會受到影響嗎對都會受到影響 那怎麼辦針節使用 你也不能說這一個它來的時候我們不上去 |
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9529.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
9550.25 |
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是 沈陸委員講的這些項目都會受到影響那我們還是很希望說能夠盡快審議讓這些受影響的這個程度能夠盡可能降低我覺得受影響要跟外界說明清楚那尤其是在中共軍演剛結束的時候那我們的這個不論是我們的國防預算還有我們的這個軍購的預算都被擋 |
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9550.911 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
9576.484 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
然後也要對外去澄清那現在在野黨都講說這個特別條例什麼只有兩頁A4紙然後就要拿到1.25兆我們現在討論的是條例不是總預算這個東西要對外講清楚但是在野黨都是內行人講外行話他就跟你講說這條例現在才兩頁然後就要拿這個1.25兆預算你條例不過的話你怎麼去審總預算呢我覺得這個東西都要對外去講清楚因為就像這次的這個軍演 |
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| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
中國也釋放出很多的假說訊息這等於是說除了這個正式的軍演之外這個資訊戰 這個一些訊息戰也是變成說這一次在中國軍演的時候他們也有特別去琢磨那至少我就看到了 |
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9594.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
9607.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
有一些類應該就是他們的認知作戰比如說還講我們的部長去休假了然後無人機還飛到我們這邊來拍攝101的照片然後還說我們F6V的戰機鎖定他們這個是P圖類似這種的假設訊息這些資訊戰國防部掌握了多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
9621.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
9650.678 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
有沒有馬上就回應我覺得我比較在乎是這個我有觀察到說你們沒有在第一時間就馬上就回應沒有 委員這個部分其實您現在上面所提的其實我們掌握到了以後我們需要立即查證然後我們以最快的速度不論是用圖卡或者是新聞稿而且我們每天都有召開記者會都有及時的說明所以你說他們說無人機拍攝到101照片 |
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9651.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
9655.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
这个我觉得用大脑想就是假的不可能飞到这边来 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
9675.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
確定沒有進24海里所以我們立即就在圖卡上面公佈在我們的臉書上所以我覺得這個東西要及時去澄清因為其實我覺得軍演是歸軍演但是他們利用這種認知作戰的方式是企圖要影響台灣的這些明星士氣就覺得說這個無人機已經飛過來要飛到這麼近或是說他們的這個殲擊的戰機已經飛到這個恆春半島已經飛過去等等之類的 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
9683.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
9706.043 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
然後還說他們飛過去我們也拍不到我們雷達也偵測不到等等之類的這些我覺得他們是利用這次軍演其實就是在測試在測試說第一個我們的反應能力怎麼樣有沒有即時能夠做澄清第二個是說我們到底台灣的內部士氣有沒有受到影響是不是有人也跟著一起附和在傳播 在散佈這一些假說訊息這就是認知作戰的一種我覺得認知作戰 |
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9706.983 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
9735.754 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
比目前的軍演影響都還要大 老實講因為這個是直接影響到台灣內部的這些明星士氣我是要求你們就是說在第一時間確定了這是假敘敘 但是說什麼部長沒有去開會這些東西都要立即要澄清因為我看很多是我們有相關委員先澄清之後你們的圖卡才出來其實不應該這樣子這個大家要注意因為接下來中國類似的軍演跟認知作戰只會越來越多 |
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9736.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
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謝謝委員指教 我們會改進對啊 這部分我覺得要加強好 謝謝謝謝 謝謝委員好 謝謝坤臣召委接著請王世堅委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席我請財政部次長好 蘭次長副處長副處長副處長副處長副處長 |
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我們台灣的生育率我相信你們很清楚那麼這一次去年在美國跟國際社會辦了一個大型的調查227個國家跟地區當中我們台灣是最低的生育率0.87也就是平均每位女性生0.87位小朋友那這當然比 |
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相對也低的日本新加坡新加坡還有0.97日本大概1.3其他國家都1.5以上我們大概是全世界平均各國的一半所以少子化 |
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已經是我們台灣的國安問題啦所以我希望在這一個部分財政部 負稅署你們應該與時俱進就是針對我們如何幫助婦女同胞們他們來增加生育這一個部分該做的措施我們應該給予適當的優惠比方說我現在舉例啦 |
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婦女同胞生小孩以後去坐月子中心那之前我就跟財政部跟你們跟負稅署要求說坐月子那麼這一個部分的支出應該可以免稅結果你們的答覆竟然是說坐月子是休養不是醫療所以你們拒絕 天啊 |
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國安問題是要我們全體各部會全面的來面對你不能把它定義為說做月子只是調養 休養那不是醫療你們就不給減稅 不給免稅 |
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這是很可惡的事情婦女同胞生育以後坐月子不但調養好自己的身體以後工作才能重新回到職場 |
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而且調養好身體也才可能再生第二胎 第三胎可能再計畫再去生嘛 不是這樣嗎所以這是此時此刻是我們國家面對最嚴重的少子化的國安問題的時候我希望在這一個部分 你算一算嘛我也跟負稅署想啊那你要不要你們去算 |
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說如果照這個生育率那我們每一位生育的婦女都我們幫她做月子部分不是幫她出錢喔只是說這部分錢可以抵稅 減稅 免稅那你去算一算這樣我們國家必須負擔多少可不可以跟委員報告剛才委員提的的確是我們的一個很重要的面臨了一個很重要的問題 |
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所以我們要提高生育率其實真的不是靠財政部這是跨部會統籌來辦理財政部這部分其實也是做了一些努力比如說我們提供幼兒的扣除額我們已經拉到非常高這我知道 |
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你們先前在人工生育的部分在不孕症的部分人家那麼多我還舉過例子啊高等法院你問女法官她就是這一個部分去花費的部分 |
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他來報所得稅扣抵的時候你們竟然這個一毛不拔你塊錢也不給他抵後來我們已經有那部分已經放寬相關的規定了你們那個規定規定得莫名其妙你的意思是你們的當時你們的意思是說他去的那家診所他報稅不完整莫名其妙 |
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報稅哪一家醫院診所報稅是不是齊備那是財政部是負稅署你們另外再去立案再去查的事情怎麼會怪罪到我們一般民眾要來要求抵稅的時候你拿的必須他有完整的 |
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完碎紀錄的哪有這種事情所以跟委員報告我想委員也很清楚後來我們也放寬解釋對 你們有放寬我是要跟財政部提醒不要再用那種奇奇怪怪的理由好不好上次那個理由就是很奇怪這一次的理由也是很莫名其妙你把它定義成說 |
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坐月子 說這個是調養 無視醫療我坦白講 這我完全不能接受多數 絕大多數的民眾也不能接受你這一點回去研究啦 好不好好 這一部分我們再次討論另外針對這個在查核你們有提了息產地 |
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預防稀產地的部分你們有四大經濟措施啦你們也成立了強化違規轉運查核小組等等等等那我覺得為什麼查核率那麼多我覺得有一樣因為你這四項方案裡面就是要第四項就是說全民協力鼓勵大家去檢舉但是檢舉啊到現在我看你去年一整年的資料檢舉零欸 為什麼 |
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因為我不知道你有看過你這個辦法裡面檢舉人除了他列舉他自己的資料我是誰 我要檢舉我光明磊落這個沒有話講但是你們竟然要他檢舉就被舉發人的資料 |
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被舉發人這個公司你要鉅細明疑就是不但他們要身分證 字號 護照號碼公司名稱 公司的統一編號公司的地址 天啊 |
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檢舉人他又不是狗仔隊又不是情報員他哪有辦法知道這麼多他只要具體的告訴你哪家公司或者哪個個人不是這樣嗎這些公司這些被檢舉的人你們要查的時候你們自然而然的有辦法有他的其他的資料不是嗎 |
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跟委員報告 這個就是關於檢舉的這一部分那目前可以領取這個檢舉獎金的就只有自由貿易港區的這一部分可以來領取但是目前我們查獲的這些案子我們移到貿易署去裁罰的這些268案裡面 |
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都不是來自自由貿易港區都是來自課稅區跟保稅區那課稅區跟保稅區目前的貿易署目前沒有提供相關的檢舉獎金我就是跟你講為什麼檢舉案是零你把被檢舉你說檢舉人要講自己的身分這個應當 他要具名他要勇敢承擔他不是但是被檢舉者 |
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他只要檢舉人能講出哪個公司哪個個人哪個集團其他被檢舉人的資料你們再去查啦 是不是這樣 |
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簡化啦 你懂嗎了解了解只要要求檢舉人你不能隨隨便便檢舉你不能匿名檢舉因為這是多重大的檢舉啊不是啊我的意思我們懂 我們了解好了 那另外我跟你講喔這個我們人均GDP喔 |
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比方說去年我們說我們有7.37的經濟成長率那人均GDP也因為這樣子調高人均GDP變成我們來到4萬美元但是我們全民的感受就是說看得到 吃不到不是這樣嗎就是說我們的經濟成長率有7.37那麼高但是我們全體人民並沒有說因為這樣就有感 |
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然後GDP來到4萬美元它是看得到吃不到所以我是認為這些亮眼的GDP背後有不可以忽視的產業的變化我們要注意那為什麼要你財政部注意 |
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除了政策上以外因為你管這些公營行庫也就是說你如果看這些表格就是說ICT產業那麼我們以去年我們就以去年三個月來講它的成長是非常好我們台灣最驕傲的電子零組件直通產品這些我們的成長率大概都有兩位數這非常好但是相對的我們產產業 |
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傳統產業從基本金屬 機械等等到化學品 橡膠品礦產品等等還有這個食品類大概都下滑大概是下滑了兩位數字所以我意思就是說我們 |
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國家我們政府要注意這些資源不要讓他偏掉那麼財政部你們要交代複稅署交代他們說第一點不要對產產業過度的苛責動不動 |
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表現很老的公司你沒事也是去把他查查稅這個部分要減少不要去騷擾人家第二點銀行的貸款的部分我們是不是不能只重在資通產業在高科技業 |
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因為他們已經很成熟很進步了他們的資金不會太大的問題但是產產業尤其在這一次美國關稅這種打擊之下他們現在遇到很多困難那麼公營行庫民營的我們沒辦法只能用勸說但是公營行庫這八大公營行庫部長 |
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那個市長這些八大供應安庫董事長總經理都是你們派的他們都是關股所以你交代他們應該對產產業 |
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在資金的融通方面給予優惠 給予補助至少不要雨天收傘 可不可以跟委員報告這一部分我們很早就已經通令下去特別是對那些比較說到台美關稅衝擊的這些傳統產業絕對不要雨天收傘這個我們已經強調很多次而且他們也是朝這個方向來走 |
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我們希望就是說在這困難的時候能夠協助這些船船能夠走過這個最困難的時刻好 很好你們有這麼做就好那坐月子中心我希望你另外我們再來研議看看會後你另外給我一些答覆好不好是 謝謝委員好 謝謝王委員接下來我們請黃珊珊委員 |
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謝謝主席 我先請財政部次長好 請阮次長 |
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市長早 我想我們還是很關心有關財政部從之前提出的所謂的新型案貸款我上一次質詢的時候要求你們去清查所謂的高所得也就是每年將近200萬或到3、400萬以上的然後另外就是高年齡50歲以上的貸款你們給我的報告是說你們清查完畢了 |
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50岁以上的只有7000多户占5%然后高所得呢超过200万年所得的有1万多户比例占8.27%但事实上我们总金额已经达到14万多件这样的比例虽然算低但是次长以所谓的高所得来得到新西安贷款的利息补贴你们觉得合理吗 |
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跟委員報告這一部分我們現在也在積極跟相關的部會積極的檢討因為我們是要給年輕人他的所得比較弱勢的得到所謂政府的補貼看起來是目前是有雖然比例不高但是它還是存在是 了解如果接下去的新西安貸款在七月就要到期了請問財政部現在的立場是什麼 |
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目前我們現在在徵詢各相關單位的意見所以還會在新清安2.0嗎這個因為他可能不叫新清安2.0但是他會有一個新的政策是嗎這個這一部分我跟委員報告因為左院長已經有講說不會照舊的一直對舊的有缺失就要改善所以我們未來要怎麼用什麼方式來呈現我們現在在研議因為這兩年在新清安貸款裡面到 |
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去年的年底竟然還是我們要求你們去清查之後發現有八千多件的違規案也就是他不是自己買自己租而是當人頭甚至還租給別人還去拿了利息補貼真的很離譜啊總共有八千多件八千多件比例來講也是不可小覷金額高達一億八千萬現在還在持續的清查嗎 |
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對 我們現在進入第五波的清查沒錯 公營的行庫租出以前借了錢出去就不管了然後也不理了 只要收利息就好了現在的問題就是貸後的管理可能比借貸還要重要貸後的管理是要看它執行的狀況不能讓我們的年輕人淪為人頭尤其是很多人他是用心清安去套政府的利益 |
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了解我希望可以繼續的清查然後每一個月可能都要給我們立委做一個回報好 沒問題這是第一點所以新清案的2.0在7月以後有可能會進行但是我們的中央銀行到現在為止還是不動產的第七波選擇性信用管制次長 這兩個政策我從上任到現在就在講說這是相當矛盾的 |
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一個是希望大家都去買房子一個是希望大家都不要買房子那是怎樣了解我完全了解吳妍的意思所以我們這一次也召集相關的會議包括央行包括金管會包括內政部一起來聽聽 |
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政府不要自己打自己左手打右手800萬的房子因為新青岸就炒到1000萬那現在又所謂的第七波選擇性信用管制到現在把房市整個停在這邊我沒有說對或不對但是政府的政策顯然是自相矛盾 |
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如果我們又要鼓勵年輕人買房子又要選擇新信用管制讓人家在新千安那邊排隊該貸款的人貸不到不該貸款剛剛講的一大堆高所得的人貸得到這才是奇怪的這是一個很矛盾的現象而且跟央行的政策 |
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也不一致啊是所以我們希望新清安未來新清安能夠真正幫到那些真的需要幫助的人是他應該讓房市恢復正常讓年輕人買得起房子而不是這邊在炒作房價那邊在做信用管制到最後該需要的拿不到最後變成剛剛講的高年齡的高所得的他反而他本身就是一個所謂的經濟優勢的人弱勢的人得不到幫助政府的政策自相矛盾 |
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這部分我們會參考委員的意見我們納入考量是 我覺得這個矛盾的政策不應該再發生就算你要再補助年輕人購屋那用另外一套方法而不是用這種方式去做利息補貼然後又在這邊所謂的打壓房價造成年輕人根本就買不到房子是 我們這一部分一定會就相關的一些條件會做通盤的檢討沒錯 這邊炒高了房價誰買得到 買得到才有鬼 |
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我在最近發現連我們大台北地區當然是黃金地段可是在新北市我們看到一個21坪的房子室內只有13坪一坪賣99萬2000多萬只能住到13坪這是一個政府不應該讓它發生的事情尤其我們有這麼多的偵測工具 |
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我們要讓年輕人住到食餐坪的房子還要花兩千多萬去買這實在不太應該啦好嗎好 謝謝委員 請就好請 那是現在我請一下主計長請陳主計長 |
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委員好主席長我想總預算到現在為止沒有付為其實有很重要的一個原因就是所謂景蕭的退伏還有軍人的加薪對吧你們到現在還是不願意編列這部分的預算嗎 |
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因為它實在影響很大影響很大所以你沒錢所以你不編所以你不編你都知道現在走運站卡就卡在這兩條它涉及到的一個就是整個公教人員性質結構的一個不均衡還有包括身分之間的一個不平衡因為嘉興不是這樣的家主席長我跟你說現在地方政府預算都已經編完了對不對他們可能都審完了是嗎 |
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大部分才化法的預算當時你也是依法編列然後他們也都依法編進去他們的預算裡的對嗎但是才化法的對不對有沒有編完了你的預算也編了他們的預算也編了他們的都通過了然後我們這邊還不確定然後因為這樣子卡折你們不附屬也不進行相關的程序主席長這就是一個超級大僵局重點是剛剛講的 |
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警消的加薪還有所謂的軍人加薪這部分其實爭議不會只有在總預算而是整個國家體制行政院的態度是什麼今天剛剛這個題目今天的主題是如果這個總預算沒過的話地方政府會碰到什麼困難現在他們預算已經編完了我想問你他們要怎麼辦 |
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這個部分如果說將來將來我們提醒事先所以他們不知道怎麼辦預算過了但不知道怎麼執行我們提醒事先還是所有事情都要等憲法法庭我們就辦理做調整所以以後的主計處也不用做事就是等憲法法庭就對了是嗎 |
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不是沒有做事而是說我們都把各項的一個都精算好然後就是等著一個所以到今天現在這個moment你還是不知道怎麼解決是不是地方政府也不知道怎麼解決而是說這個部分必須要等到才是所以主席長你今天在這邊回答我就是說現在無解然後現在法庭解釋之前也無解是嗎 |
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不是 我是覺得 我是建議就是也懇請懇請大院能夠把我們的預算能夠先行來打新興的計劃本來就可以送相關的申請案到立法院來如果真的有急迫性但是它也是到年底之後的事現在根本不會影響到相關的作業我想請問現在的狀況地方政府預算編列完畢他們如何執行還是全部都要從你的角度全部都要追加減 |
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不是 以我們來講對於如果這個軍人的加薪的這個部分呢市縣的結果我們依照市縣的結果來調整好 時間暫停我請國防部的次長請徐副部長副部長我想剛剛聽到我們立法院幫軍人加薪所以主席處有意見所以到現在沒有已經停擺那這幾天我們看到委內瑞拉的局勢 |
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美國去收買了總統委內瑞拉總統身邊的人所以他們採取了斬首行動那我們軍方不用被收買我們的軍方我們的馬祖防衛指揮部直接被炸團侵入部長 |
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副部長我們現在的軍方裡面炸團每個月3000到5000塊代價就可以買到官兵的人頭賬戶涉案的超過60個人遭人頭賬戶的行為超過一年以上我們的部隊已經被炸團侵入了嗎 |
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報告委員 這個我們已經去查處了一年以上耶六十多個人耶這只有馬祖嗎做了懲處了懲處了多少人 汰除了多少人報告這個具體的數字我們還在處理當中調查完畢了嗎 |
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不知道還在進行今天我們要討論的就是如果我們的國軍不要說變成共諜啦三千塊五千塊人家花五千萬美金去買通啊我們這邊花三千塊五千塊就可以買到我們的國軍的官兵這實在是一件很可怕的事第二個這些相關的人他都說他在營內營外都有借貸行為 |
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在軍隊裡面我們對於官兵個人的行為甚至他的生活狀況有所了解然後他的接待行為在軍營裡面長官都清楚嗎這些事情我們有在管理嗎 |
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有 我們會有一些相關的行為在不侵犯到個人隱私的情況底下我們會跟官兵做相關的所以我剛剛講的我們立法院為什麼要幫軍人加薪因為有很多人他的薪資他的確是在相對現在物價高漲的情況下我們希望軍人受到一定的保障所以軍人加薪我希望國防部的立場是去爭取而不是抵抗 好嗎 |
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包委員我們關於官兵的我們也新辦了急難貸款這個新的方式所以要了解他們的生活狀況要了解他們的可能碰到的困難跟需求最重要的是不要讓他被外面的人侵入而我們自己不自知一年多六十個人三千塊五千塊就賣掉自己的帳戶他會不會因為這樣子而賣掉我們的國家安全 |
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不是不可能副部長我想這個事情可能會比你做其他的事情更重要好嗎我們會嚴肅查處好謝謝謝謝主席謝謝黃委員接下來我們請郭育晴委員謝謝主席有請主席長請陳主席長 |
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委員好 主席早安我想今天因為外圍的時間稍微比較短所以等一下我會問比較概括性的問題我想這個預算會期不省預算中央政府的一個總預算依舊在卡關其實這已經讓國家承受很大的一個風險 |
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那想預算卡關它其實不是一個抽象的數字的問題而已喔那而是正在發生的一些國安的漏洞跟地方的一些建設的一些停擺喔那這些包含哪一些呢包含每個月大約有103萬的通勤族他們的TPAS有可能會受到很大的影響那另外呢還有公共托育的一些設施很多的爸爸媽媽也會受到影響小朋友也會受到影響 |
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甚至有高中的學校要興建這也會受到影響我想問一下這個主席處就是115年的這個中央政府總預算到現在還沒有審查連一條都沒有依舊在卡關那請問我們現在是不是只能夠依照暫行的預算來支應來做執行 |
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那這樣子的一個狀況其實已經涉及到了像國安 科技 防災基礎建設等等的一些經費我們都是用最低的限度來做支應是這樣嗎是 那新增的部分有1017億那這個部分不能執行那其中TBUS它也算新增TBUS它是以前編載前瞻所以現在改編載總預算它列為新增所以這個也影響到交通組的一個 |
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一個那個權益那再來就是說所謂的無人載具還有台灣品牌賽事精選計畫這些新增的部分都會影響還有一個北回之巔的一個旗艦計畫這個部分是補助花蓮嘉義台南屏東這些縣市的一些景觀服務的一個設施的優化還有一個高雄和屏東間的兩條快速道路的這一個部分這個也是受到影響那當然還有一個縣市河川的一個治水計畫 |
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那这个治水计划他就是分四年要1000亿那今年编了145亿这个也是严重影响到地方了那还有一个我们就是直辖市里面编列300多亿的一个要补助限制就是有关财政收支化文化修正以后受到影响没有办法弥补的这个部分所以这个部分大概都会有一个受到影响 |
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剛剛委員講的部件公共化拖曳設施沒錯雖然不是每個縣市都有但是還是有一些縣市都是受到影響的接下來我想請教一下財政部請財政部的是哪位好 次長好 |
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好 次郎早安我想這個對地方政府來講這個中央預算卡關其實代表的就是工程的延宕那再來有可能是勞工跟廠商款項要延後那甚至地方建設也可能會縮首目前因為這個部分請問財政部有沒有收穫到所謂的這個地方政府他們反映實際的一些困境那到底這筆賬這個地方的建設因此停擺這個賬要算在誰的頭上 |
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目前因為這一部分是屬於稅出所以稅出基本上它反映不會跟我們財政部反映應該是會跟主席總署來反映是 所以剛剛其實我們主席長已經講得非常非常多了我想這個地方政府應該也都收到了這個非常的諷刺我們在這個地方其實該省預算不省預算預算會期不省預算剛剛其實我一早就來到立法院我就聽到有許多人 |
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在為所謂的軍人加薪那接下來我想請教一下這個國防部副部長好來請徐副部長好 |
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是 我剛剛聽到很多的這個國民黨的委員或者是這個黃珊珊委員也都提到所謂的這個軍人加薪的部分那我想大家都已經忽略掉了因為在2025年就是去年的4月1號我們的志願役的勤務加級其實已經有3000到5000的一個勤務的加級 |
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再來包含戰鬥部隊的加擠也有4000到7000的這樣子的一個加擠這是在現行制度當中的一個待遇的一個調整它是由行政院來擬定而且並且實施執行那大家可能又忘記了一件事情這2024年的1月這個軍公教條幅3%到4%是通盤的調薪這個部分我的資訊有沒有落差 |
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向委員報告是國防部財政署長近幾年來的確我們政府以及國防部對於軍人的薪資待遇來講都是非常關心的分別在111年調整了3%113年調整了4%在去年也就是114年也分別整體調薪了3% |
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那除了剛剛委員所講的在去年五項加擠及資源加擠之外國防部還是持續滾動式的在檢討我們國防部所屬的各項加擠那對於這個軍人待遇的這個關係是不遺餘力的那有關這個軍人待遇條例的三萬塊的部分那這一方面的調整我們還是必須國防部必須基於行政一體的原則那等待事件結果之後才能來辦理 |
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好 我想這個前一陣子我們的中共才軍演 中共軍演我們面對這個中共軍演 大家都講的話都講得很好聽但是我再次強調 預算會期就是要審預算那審預算是立法院的責任這是立法院的責任但是現在是不審不排不表決這本身對於我們的國家安全還有地方的建設有很大的一個傷害所以再次的呼籲所有藍白的委員 |
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這個政治是可以競爭但是不能用拖垮國家的這樣子的一個預算來當作自己的政治籌碼好 以上 謝謝主席好 謝謝市長好 謝謝 謝謝郭委員接下來我們請鄭天才委員好 謝謝 |
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好 主席有请国防部副部长我们请徐副部长各位好 |
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11622.746 |
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副部長好今天你的報告裡面特別提到國防是國家安全的基石沒有堅強的國防實力國家安全就會面臨挑戰當然這裡面你除了提到軍備軍備相關的經費之外也有提到軍人的部分 |
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這個照顧官兵當然非常非常的重要請問一下 我們先談這個照顧官兵這個是延續性的計畫還是新增的計畫委員好 我是組織局局長有關調整各級部隊基本維持訂額業務費它是持續性的案子但是這個額度是115年比114年增加的額度好 這個副部長 |
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持续性的计划按照预算法的规定预算立法院还没通过照样可以执行这是第一个但新增的额度就没办法第二预算法第54条总预算案之审议如不能依第51条期限完成时各机关预算之执行依下列规定为之 |
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第二支出的部分新興資本支出及新增計劃有個但書很重要但依第88條規定辦理或經立法院同意者不在此限如果真的那麼重要就請國防部依預算法第54條送立法院同意好不好我們就接下來談 |
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作為國軍 國防部當然這個我們副部長不是軍人出身不是但是你是台大政治系畢業也去國外念了這個協會所以依法行政很重要尤其是國軍國軍每一個人 每一個軍人 |
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尤其是國防部的法例立國家所通過的跟軍人有關的法例就是要執行要遵守不然的話整個軍力軍人的紀律就會受到嚴重的影響114年6月10號立法院商讀通過軍人待遇條例憲法徵修條文這個你很熟悉的條文 |
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第三條第二項行政院如果認為這個立法院決議的法例案有自愛難行的時候就要送立法院提復議請問一下副部長行政院有沒有針對軍人待遇條例送立法院提復議潘委員他現在是行政院是依憲政的精神提出了釋憲 |
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我问的是有没有提复议有没有送立法院提复议不敢回答目前是没有提复议但是他提出了事件不是目前已经超过时间了十天之内就要提复议了没有关系这个我们就讲实话没有提复议没有提复议就表示没有自爱难行这个是基本法律的解释条文的解释就是如此 |
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好 接下來修正軍人待遇條例第五條條文114年6月27號公佈施行總統公佈施行總統公佈施行之前還請了國防部部長顧立雄簽署親自簽名 |
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行政院院長 卓榮泰院長也親自簽名前面沒有治安難行所以沒有重力法院服役第二 也附屬了表示沒有問題 同意然後公佈施行依照中央法規標準法這個以前你在大學都念過公佈就生效了公佈就生效了 |
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所以作為副部長尤其是國防部部長又是法律出身 律師出身就應該去簽這個行政院最起碼你要把預算書一 就能帶一條例第五條包括相關的條文第六條 |
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都應該要送到組織總署組織總署不同意那是組織總署的責任你有送嗎 國防部有沒有送報告委員 我們基於行政議題的原則我了解 你已經提過這個很多次了最後一分鐘 抱歉一定要讓副部長知道志願役的士兵實領的薪資 |
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平均薪資你看上等兵 一等兵 二等兵就這麼多 失望多他每天住在營區裡面在營區裡面沒有加班費的你想想看勞工基本薪資勞工的薪資狀況2025年平均經常性薪資四萬七千多了比我們的國軍還多何況這是2025年 |
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明年2026年基本工資就會增加3萬塊了超過3萬塊了所以沒有好的軍人沒有足夠的軍人你再有好的裝備誰來操作所以這個部分一定要去欠去欠行政院院長趕快把這個 |
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必須能帶條例來最佳預算 好 以上 謝謝好 謝謝 謝謝鄭委員接下來我們請黃國昌委員來 謝謝主席馬上有請國防部的副部長台委會的政務副主任委員 |
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請徐副部長張副主委市委好先請教一下海委會的政務副主任委員委員好今年主委去年應該是去年因為現在已經2026了2025年主委的特別費有多少錢 |
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一整年嗎當然啊30萬左右是不是309,660元是他總共花了多少錢今年度已經全部用完沒有剩餘所以309,660元花得乾乾淨淨是嗎是特別費夠不夠啊 |
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跟委員報告我們特別使用都是用在公務上面有關的部分所以這個部用在什麼公務上吃喝玩樂啊跟委員報告他來來來來來這邊是有一個我秀給大家看啦我秀給大家看海洋委員會主任委員114年度特別費每月之用二月用了一萬二 |
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三月用了一萬八四月用了一萬一一路用到十一月都還有節制到最後一個月預算給你三十萬九千六百六十元這特別費怎麼可以省最後一個月十萬一千元花得乾乾淨淨一毛不剩從一月到十一月 |
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花的剩下的趕快消化預算趕快消化預算最後一個月納稅人給的特別費千萬不要浪費花到一毛不剩最後一個月12月把它花得乾乾淨淨副主委一年特別費多少錢 |
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副主委一年特別費多少錢花了多少沒有剩餘一樣嘛 花得乾乾淨淨的嘛一樣啊 花得乾乾淨淨的啊 |
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去年啊可能特別費只砍60%啊還砍得太客氣了最後一個月錢一定要花完納稅人給的特別費怎麼可以浪費我一定要花得乾乾淨淨一毛不剩請問跑去做什麼事情請問跑去做什麼事情餐費 等一下等一下你要澄清你去開記者會啦 |
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我現在是站在人民的立場啊人民看不下去啊中共軍演多嚴重的事情啊全民戒備全民戒備結果你們海委會跑去哪裡高雄荊崎超級包廂孔雀町紅寶町發票開出來多少錢 |
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發票開出來多少錢七萬多是七萬三千六百九十三元嗎是一桌多少錢因為他總共有五桌所以一桌多少錢大概一萬多一萬多多少我數學不好啦那家餐廳的價格我就去打聽過了啦 |
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七萬三千六百九十三元開五桌一桌多少錢怎麼算的我請你們提供資料你們就提供給我一個lump sum的數字我對數字很敏感的啦這七萬三千六百九十三元是怎麼吃的一桌多少錢 |
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因為你們報上來的價格跟這個餐廳的價格就不太一樣我在講說這個餐廳是因為要慰勞我們海委會的弟兄所以有特別打折是不是我質詢不浪費時間會後詳細的明細交上來可不可以 |
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我們會再提問給委員會再提問給委員但是我這邊可不可以說明一下我要明細可不可以可以但是我可不可以跟委員報告說明一下來 請國防部副部長 |
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跟委員報告 我們這邊所有的資用都是按照相關的經費來支用所以沒問題黃委員因為質詢時間只有5分鐘所以時間到了是不是對 時間已經到了好 沒有關係 我尊重謝謝好 謝謝黃委員接下來我們請林思明召委 |
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好 謝謝主席我先請主席長請我們海委會張副主委以及國防部副部長待會兒你待會兒好 那先請陳主席長 |
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好 主席長我想首先我要強調在野黨沒有不審總預算最近包含賴總統 行政院 卓院長還有執政黨一直對外放話說總預算卡關是因為在野黨的杯葛封殺 |
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賴清德總統更是超越憲法表示總預算要在12月31號前審查完卷所以主席長請問你過去十餘年來從102年到去年立法院審查總預算我想包含我們民進黨完全執政的時期每一年的總預算都是在12月31號前審查完卷嗎不一定 |
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不是不一定 根本就我現在我已經把這個表格做給你看都沒有過去10年102 103 104除了105年以外103年度就是12月19通過公告是在1月14號但是它通過的時候就是12月19我想時間的關係我想我表格做很清楚給你看了 |
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就是幾乎是都很少是在這個過去十年幾個年度都很少在12月31前審查完畢所以我要在這邊強調我要再次的強調在野黨從來沒有不說不審總預算 |
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是 我們也懇請委員把這個總預算盡快來審查我想這個癥結點剛才好幾位委員也講過了其實包含國民黨團也再次多次的公開表態只要行政院依立法院三讀通過的法律來編列總預算包含軍人加薪 錦銷退休的保障以及執行停侃年金立法院就會去審查預算 |
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所以主席長 我想請問你行政院這樣選擇性的不附屬不執行法律是不是因為三讀通過的法律都是在野黨的版本基於政治立場的不同行政院就不附屬 不想編 |
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不是我要跟委員報告這三個法案它整個的影響非常的重大包括你停卡年金那將來要負擔的部分非常的多然後第二個就是說軍人加薪的部分還有包括公教人員那停卡年金這個部分它涉及到年改往回投入去走那這個整個制度的一個改變影響非常的重大也非常巨大包括我們的財政的任性都沒辦法 |
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你現在講的當然講的原因剛才回答委員說這些都很複雜你也這樣講但是我們講就是一個很簡單的道理立法院三讀通過的法律行政院可以凌駕於立法院之上對立法院三讀通過的法律去不執行嗎站在你是一個主計長的立場你從法律的角度去解讀因為我是一個法律人我非常尊重制度 |
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行政院可以这样子去凌驾立法院吗这是我们所不愿意的我们所不愿意的但是因为我们也不得不说要先去要来申请事宪事宪后再来决定执行 |
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所以我想我還是要呼籲主席總書依法行政才是王道 才是王道好 那罪長你請回現在請我們海委會副主委張副主委 |
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委員好副主委 是我想上週中國的環台軍演海巡署是否也有派出海巡部隊與船隻參與協防有 我們總共派了14艘的艦船艇還有94艘的預備艇這都有嗎海巡署也是有參與整個協防嗎但是我們跟國防部有分工就是國防部隊軍艦我們隊海警船好 是所以 |
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在12月31號我想你本人或者主委還有幾位副署長都有出席高雄的參會參加這個參會外界我想大家多所批評 |
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大家對於這場參會都很嘩然 非常的訝異怎麼海巡署在對岸軍演的時期竟然會這樣沒有去緊盯整個軍演的一個過程掌握實際的狀況竟然跑去吃飯 |
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這件事我想很多人都有所質疑啦所以這個我想直接請問那個副主委你們的判斷是什麼為什麼你們不去緊盯整個軍演的狀況而跑去吃飯你們的判斷是什麼我這邊特別跟委員說明那中共是在29號的7點發布 |
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我們在當下就成立應變中心來做應變然後30號開始他們就所謂的他們要做實彈射擊他們兩波次的9點跟下午的1點然後結束以後他們在6點鐘30到6點鐘他們就宣布整個任務達成 |
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我們當下在六點三十分的時候當天的三十分所有的軍艦包括海警船都已經離開我們的限制水域在晚上的九點半我們做整體評估是由個人直接跟主委建議說會議是可以照常舉行的 |
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接下來隔天的早上5點半我們再做整體的評估所有的艦船艇都已經離開我們軍艦的巡防艦的雷達的監控範圍所以是可以舉行是沒有問題的另外一部分跟委員包括海巡組從111年到 |
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上一次我們已經整整的應對了七次的中共軍演那我們海巡組是一個訓練有素的一個整個在指揮體系跟這個整個勤務不中斷的情況下他是整個一個團隊的合作部分不是靠個人所以整個可以去吃飯是由 |
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誰來決定 是主委決定還是說是你剛才提到了是你本人評估你評估之後告訴主委特別跟委員報告是由我們很清楚是由我本人來做整個評估然後是可以決定但是我想媒體上有很多的誤解就是當天的參會當天參會是整個會議過程的公務行程之一沒有飲酒也沒有唱歌也沒有什麼都沒有 |
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回來以後我們所有的主管都還是回到這個有沒有唱歌有沒有飲酒這個不是重點重點是說對岸在軍演還沒有結束那你就認為說不會有突發狀況發生幸好是沒有了假設有的話我想你們真的全部要辭職下台所以我是認為說我想外界這麼多批評我是不曉得你有沒有去虛心的檢討 |
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對於外界的批評我們會整個做細心檢討也會做持續不斷的精進會檢討嘛但是這邊要特別跟委員報告還有跟國人報告這個整個狀況都在海巡署跟國軍的掌控之下我們是有能力掌握所有周邊海域的狀況我們也有能力去處理應對中國大陸的灰帶洗澡那我這邊要特別跟委員說明全世界的Costco大概只有台灣的海巡署是面對中國海警灰色 |
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最有經驗的到目前現在在金門還是一樣最後請教你不要再講了那12月31號是不是還是上班日你們有放假嗎它是整個會議是一個公務行程的延續去吃飯是公務行程喔你認為這是公務行程喔所以你這根本就太鬆散了啦對岸軍演耶你跟我講說公務行程包含吃飯去聚餐 |
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我想這個講來講去你們還是沒有虛心檢討了各位我們以後會持續檢討精進你如果要持續檢討精進你是不是可以提出一個書面報告給我們因為時間的關係我希望你們真的要提出一個很虛心檢討的一個報告針對外界對你們的批評 |
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對於一個外界的批評我們都會虛心的檢討跟接受另外一部分就是我們還是要特別跟國人報告海巡署是一個訓練有所專業的部隊署長 你請回我請光部 徐副部長 |
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我又好邱部長是國軍志願役的人力流是非常嚴重依照媒體的報導一百一十五年國軍志願役的人員的預算額僅剩十五萬三千九百六十五人役一百一十四年的十六萬零七百四十九人相較拒減了六千七百八十四人 |
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行同一年列又增發了兩個聯兵旅若與一百一十三年的十六萬六千兩百三十五人相較更大減了一萬兩千七百七十人所以副部長剛才你回答羅明財委員表示說自願意的預算源是機密不能回答委員但媒體都已經有所報導了 |
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這是怎麼一回事啊不能跟委員說卻可以讓媒體來披露這是機密嗎預算原額和編制限原是不一樣的概念編制原額限原原額是機密預算原額不是機密預算原額不是機密所以你剛才羅民財委你好像沒有跟他講很清楚他就問你說現在目前我們的預算原額是多少啊 |
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你說這是機密 你就不回答他我沒有說預算原額是機密我說編制跟現原是機密編制的是機密預算原額是可以講的好 那我就問你為什麼我們現在預算原額的回答就是預算原額的流失那麼嚴重志願役的人才流失那麼嚴重國防部有調查主要的原因是什麼這一段向委員報告由於近年少子化以及社會增財的結果 |
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少子化近三年來都是持續那國軍的待遇這個普遍大家認為低薪是不是一個重要的原因 優因不足這是不是一個重要的原因我想這跟整體社會的增才以及少子化有絕大的因素因為根據我們的推估近三年來人力就持續下降所以在國軍所以你認為跟待遇沒有關係並不是沒有關係可是並不是絕對的影響 |
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那你贊不贊成我們立法院三讀通過的這個軍人待遇條例中修法把軍人加薪 |
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這個當然謝謝大院對於國軍薪資待遇的關心那麼我想你把態度做出來你們贊不贊成你告訴我不要再講其他的你回答我贊不贊成我身為職業諮詢人本身我當然是是贊成嘛我當然是願意其實我要告訴國防部其實包含執政黨的立委也對軍人加薪沒有反對 |
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我覺得國防部要把態度做出來你要支持軍人加薪才會吸引更多的人才來加入國軍好不好是的請你們把態度做出來好 以上好 謝謝謝謝林思銘召委接下來我們請侯孟楷委員侯孟楷委員侯孟楷委員不在場下一位林倩琦委員林倩琦委員林倩琦委員不在場接下來我們請葉元芝委員 |
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麻煩請那個海巡署署長請張副主委 |
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張副主委你好這一次中共軍演他其實也在測試海警船對台灣進行的壓迫所以海巡署扮演非常關鍵的角色12月31號海巡署一堆人跑去吃飯剛剛我聽到副主委跟其他委員打詢感覺還陣陣有詞 |
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幾件事情第一個在軍演的時候我看到一篇新聞報導是一個跑民進黨的記者寫的他說國安官員說早在中共軍演的上個星期就已經掌握了中共有可能會在29號30那幾天軍演為什麼呢因為有看到共軍特定的船艦海警船穿梭宮古海峽南下進到台灣的東部沿海所以就已經掌握了 |
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代表說29號的上個星期就是12月22號到26號嘛那個時候就已經知道了中共可能會軍演這是郭安仁士說的我請問一下副主委你們有得到消息嗎中共可能會在29號這個時候軍演嗎 |
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跟委員報告那所有的狀況還沒狀況我們都是有掌握你們都要掌握喔今天大家不是說你們能不能夠去吃飯耶是為什麼一定要在軍演的那個時候去吃飯啊那家公司要倒了嗎還是那天有優惠還是怎麼樣 晚幾天吃會怎麼樣非要在軍演的當日去吃 |
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所以你們老早就知道那個時候要軍演你們還跑去吃到底是什麼決定啊我看到海巡署還對媒體講說這個牽涉到餐飲業要事前準備哇賽 海巡署這麼貼心喔這麼站在餐飲業的角度喔怕他們準備的食材浪費所以非要在軍演的時候去吃飯這是你們對媒體回答的態度耶人家入軍都可以取消餐會為什麼你們不可以 |
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跟委員報告那我們要確定要舉辦這個會議的根據是我們根據前一天所有的海域狀況的這個評估沒有你們事實上我有看到管碧玲主委回答啦她說呢因為中共是宣布29號到30號軍演而已嘛你們是31號吃嘛哇賽這麼相信中共喔這麼相信她喔事實上是31號才結束啊 |
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多了一天啊所以你們喊徐完全不當一回事啊然後管主委的說法跟她的老公她老公前兩天幫她出來講話說難道軍演不結束沒有宣布我們都不要吃飯了嗎管主委講的是說軍演兩天所以隔天的可以吃她老公是說那如果沒有宣布結束都不要吃了嗎我覺得 |
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吃飯是一回事啦吃飯當然有很多檢討的地方在這個時間點吃飯你們事後對媒體回答那種無所謂的態度會讓人家看不下去跟委員報告我們沒有所謂的無所謂的你們的回答就是連牽涉到餐飲業要事前準備食材的你都講出來了 |
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那我想請教一下你們總共吃了七萬多塊嘛剛剛聽其他委員問是吃了七萬多塊嘛是那七萬多塊都吃了什麼就一般餐廳的一般餐廳的什麼七萬總共五桌 它是桌餐總共多少人去吃是海巡署的四級機關人數多少 |
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有五桌五桌人數總共多少嘛一桌是五個人十個人大概是五十個因為還有國海運跟海保署所以總共多少人嘛大概有四十幾位左右四十幾位左右四十幾位是四十位還是四十九位這個議題大家都在討論你們都沒有資料包委很抱歉因為沒有時間沒有準備到 |
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所以是四十幾位四十幾位然後七萬多塊就是一般的桌菜我覺得這個問題其實凸顯了海巡好像對這個軍演是非常不重視包括事後的回答都是一樣真的如果說抗中保台路線是民進黨主打的話海巡這樣的態度會讓國人非常的憂心真的非常擔心那我請問請國防部好不好 |
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徐副部長因為時間關係我就直接講了因為在年初的時候你們有發布一個紓困的貸款當時是說因為怕軍中士兵他們欠錢然後被人家用利誘方式變成共諜所以推出這個措施就希望解決共諜的問題或者是不要讓他們陷入詐騙集團的陷阱 對吧 |
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但現在這兩天推出之後 惡評如潮啦我很快講一下 再三十秒就好很多人在反映啦 他說第一個你還要找保人嘛你保人還要找軍中同階以上的或者是公教人員不然的話就是要裁立證明他們講說這很難找保人誰要幫忙保這個 |
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然後第二個就是如果是信用評分要在601分以下的申請貸款還要再打折我只是點出這個問題你們這個制度很可能會理想跟現實會產生很大的落差因為很多士兵你在網路上面講了如果按照你們這個條件去銀行貸就好了也不需要跟軍中申請紓困達不到你想要解決的問題 |
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先短回答報委員 我是主席局局長我回應一下剛剛委員針對這個議題這個急難貸款沒錯 我們設計的目標就是能夠幫助官兵解決一些急難的狀況剛剛所提到的保人這些問題我可能要跟委員報告因為這個錢是公款公款我除了要給 |
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官兵能夠解決他的問題同時我要確保公款的安全所以我必須在一定的額度以上的時候我要設計一個保人的制度確保我的款項帶出去的時候還是可以收回來但是我現在方便官兵我們設計了10萬塊以下他可以免保人的方式對 我知道我知道 就是 |
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只是提醒一下你這個制度有可能理想跟現實有很大的落差啦當然我知道你是要保護公款這個我們不會希望公款拿不回來只是說你的目的如果是想要解決剛剛講的那些問題的話這個制度太嚴格可能達不到目標謝謝謝謝葉委員 |
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今日登記發言委員均與詢答完畢本次會議做如下決定一報告及詢答完畢二委員質詢未及答覆或請補充資訊請相關部會於一周內以書面答覆委員另有要求期限者重新鎖定三本次會議議程已進行完畢堂友不在場委員補題書面質詢一併列入記錄刊登公報並請議事人員協助處理好散會 |