| IVOD_ID |
171568 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/171568 |
| 日期 |
2026-10-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-6-35-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第6會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
6 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第6會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-10-22T11:14:24+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-10-22T11:25:04+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/9f0219c4ec2537e692d54733cc82ed1627917fd04753b2847d693c32fb55609cfb440351d05509a35ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳冠廷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:14:24 - 11:25:04 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-10-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第6會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議【含秘密會議】（事由：邀請國家安全局局長蔡明彥率相關情報機關首長提出「國家情報工作暨國家安全局業務報告」，並備質詢。） |
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0 |
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2 |
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你好 我們請局長 |
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2 |
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4 |
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請蔣局長 |
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9 |
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12 |
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市長 這些剛才好多 |
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12 |
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14 |
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我們的同仁都有提到 |
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14 |
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16 |
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這個跨境鎮壓的事情 |
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16 |
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18 |
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也有提到這一次這個喜劇演員 |
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18 |
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20 |
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然後受這種 |
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20 |
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22 |
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類似 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
22 |
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24 |
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假借假車禍要把人家 |
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24 |
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26 |
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應該是 |
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26 |
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28 |
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做這種跨境的鎮壓 |
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28 |
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30 |
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這個狀況你們事前有掌握到情資嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
30 |
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32 |
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有 剛有說 |
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32 |
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34 |
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因為他的這個個案 |
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34 |
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36 |
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因為他去年就發生潑漆潑糞 |
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36 |
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38 |
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那因為有跨境鎮壓 |
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38 |
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40 |
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的樣態 所以我們這邊已經列管 |
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40 |
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42 |
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那在後續又 |
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42 |
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44 |
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有製造假車禍的新聞 |
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44 |
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46 |
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案件出來之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
46 |
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48 |
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繼承員警開始他沒有辦法判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
48 |
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50 |
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這是有國安疑慮的 |
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50 |
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52 |
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但是警政署在通報我們 |
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52 |
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54 |
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我們在比對涉案人士的 |
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54 |
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56 |
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黑道背景 那我們就認為這 |
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56 |
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58 |
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有國安的問題 那請警政署再進一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
58 |
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60 |
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加強查查 讓發現 |
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60 |
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62 |
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背後的這個網絡 去調閱 |
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62 |
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64 |
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相關的錄影帶來看他 |
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64 |
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66 |
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製造假車禍的一個 |
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66 |
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68 |
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行為樣態 包括 |
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68 |
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70 |
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有人在一天前就開始去場刊 |
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70 |
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72 |
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那以及現場製造車禍的 |
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72 |
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74 |
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一個狀況 那這個部分我看 |
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74 |
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76 |
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最近這兩天的影片 |
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76 |
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78 |
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大概都有做一些 |
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78 |
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80 |
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公布了 對 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
80 |
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82 |
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所以基本上在潑漆的這個 |
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82 |
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84 |
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狀況的時候你們就已經有掌握了 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
84 |
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86 |
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這個跨境鎮壓案子 我們就列管了 |
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86 |
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88 |
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但是你們列管到他們執行 |
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88 |
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90 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
更進一步的傷害 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
90 |
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92 |
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大概過了多久 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
92 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
94 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
事實上在列管之後對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
94 |
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96 |
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當事人的人身安全就已經 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
96 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
98 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
開始加強保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
98 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
100 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
誰負責加強保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
100 |
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102 |
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警方就開始加強保護了 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
102 |
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104 |
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因為你們把他之前被潑漆的這個 |
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104 |
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106 |
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你們就把它有做為 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
106 |
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108 |
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有可能是跨境鎮壓的形式 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
108 |
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110 |
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所以你們把這個資訊 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
110 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
112 |
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已經先給警方了 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
112 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
114 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
所以警方就可以做事先 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
114 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
116 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
在進一步傷害之前的 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
116 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
118 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
預防或者是加強保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
118 |
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120 |
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但是在事情發生之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
120 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
122 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
你說你又把這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
122 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
124 |
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樣態 因為他們不清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
124 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
126 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
這可能是跨境的國安事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
126 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
128 |
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那你就矛盾啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
128 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
130 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
你如果事前已讓警方知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
130 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
132 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
他有跨境鎮壓的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
132 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
134 |
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那事後你又說他們不了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
134 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
136 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
有這樣的樣態 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
136 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
138 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
所以你們事後再給他這樣的情報 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
138 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
140 |
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那你是事前已經給了還是事後再給 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
140 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
142 |
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因為事前的時候大概就已經針對他 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
142 |
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144 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
後續的 我們當時 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
144 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
146 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
是判斷假如他要去 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
146 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
148 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
針對當事人進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
148 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
150 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
一些攻擊的行為的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
150 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
152 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
應該會在他的表演場所 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
152 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
154 |
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因為他在過去潑漆潑分的 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
154 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
156 |
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就是他的表演場所 要公然的恐嚇 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
156 |
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158 |
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或在他表演完之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
158 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
160 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
來脅迫他 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
160 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
162 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
那這大概是出盤 所以後續在 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
162 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
164 |
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保護的過程當中是針對他 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
164 |
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166 |
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在公開表演的時候提供保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
166 |
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168 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
那當然這一次受到傷害 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
168 |
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170 |
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受到傷害是他在 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
170 |
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172 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
個人在家裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
172 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
174 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
周邊活動的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
174 |
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176 |
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被製造了假車禍 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
176 |
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178 |
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所以是偵辦他的假車禍 |
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178 |
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180 |
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是當地的管區的員警 |
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180 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
182 |
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那管區員警第一時間可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
182 |
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184 |
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當然就以為是一般的車禍時間 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
184 |
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186 |
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來處理來做通報 但是我們後來知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
186 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
188 |
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我講這個東西不是要 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
188 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
190 |
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來指責或者是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
190 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
192 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
國安局沒有做到什麼保護 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
192 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
194 |
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因為我們根本無法去判定說 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
194 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
196 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
中國會這麼快速的上升情勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
196 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
198 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
所以過去來看中國對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
198 |
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200 |
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境外的這些鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
200 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
202 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
他還是傾向於非直接暴力 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
202 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
204 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
而是用間接的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
204 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
206 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
用恐嚇的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
206 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
208 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
潑廢棄物的等等的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
208 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
210 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
廢物的等等的方式來去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
210 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
212 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
也就是說他們有在做 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
212 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
214 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
一定程度的來去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
214 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
216 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
威嚇 而不是實質上的暴力行動 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
216 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
218 |
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但是近年我們已經有看到 |
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他往上提升 |
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就是escalate嘛 這個狀況已經出現了 |
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這個這樣子的認定 |
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你確定有沒有錯 局長 |
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對 我今天早上跟媒體在講 |
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我們認為是升溫的 |
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已經在升溫 他還從過去的恐嚇 |
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或者是說 |
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用這種隱藏的壓力 |
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來去讓人噤聲 |
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到現在是直接用暴力喔 |
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那過去的暴力是 |
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就是用肢體上面的 |
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像是之前那個失敗名夫 |
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可能是用呼叭斬之類的方式 |
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到上升到假車禍 |
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那假車禍的意思是什麼 |
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他的輕重可能已經會超越他們的控制喔 |
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因為當你是車禍的時候 |
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你沒有辦法去 |
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拿捏你到時候的影響 |
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或者是成果會是怎樣 |
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所以過去 |
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266 |
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中國是某種程度 |
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268 |
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他們是限度型的 |
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270 |
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來去做跨境鎮壓 |
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他們現在已經快要接近 |
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沒有限度的去鎮壓 |
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那哪一些國家 |
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最會做這些事情 |
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280 |
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俄羅斯 在英國倫敦 |
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他基本上參與策劃了 |
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284 |
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多起的暗殺事件 |
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而且都是成功 |
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也就是說 過去在英國倫敦 |
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發生的狀況 |
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292 |
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不管是他們的前情報員在 |
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英國受到庇護的時候直接被神經毒素 |
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或者是這個放射性物質 |
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來去做暗殺的做 |
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300 |
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暗殺之外 |
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除了目標人物本身 |
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甚至有無辜的英國的 |
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民眾 一般民眾喔 |
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不是異議份子 都受到波及 |
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所以我必須要講說這個跨境鎮壓已經不是用鎮壓這兩個字了 |
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他現在已經上升到 甚至有可能會成為 |
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跨境的暗殺 |
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甚至是殺害相關的 |
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異議人士 所以怎麼樣把 |
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320 |
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322 |
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這樣子的資訊 |
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322 |
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324 |
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已經不僅是國安局 |
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324 |
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的這個角色 國安局的角色 |
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就是第一個要讓情報趕快的 |
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給當地的 我們的這些 |
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警政單位來去做防護 |
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332 |
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334 |
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但是現在的狀況必須要 |
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336 |
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由包含陸委會 |
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338 |
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嚴正的跟中方來去交涉喔 |
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340 |
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因為只要在 |
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342 |
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這樣的狀況之下 |
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342 |
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344 |
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再往上延燒的話 |
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346 |
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那後果是不堪設想的 |
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348 |
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對台灣人民的這個影響 |
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348 |
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350 |
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日常生活的直接影響 |
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350 |
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352 |
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以及對我們這個接下來 |
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352 |
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354 |
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不管是地方選舉 |
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的大選 或者是國政 |
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的大選喔 就是中央 |
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360 |
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的立法委員跟總統 |
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362 |
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的大選 每一個人 |
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364 |
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都有可能受到威脅喔 |
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這已經在考驗 除了說我們得知情報的能力 |
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之外 還有我們的防護能力 |
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370 |
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跟我們的應變能力喔 |
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372 |
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這個是非常嚴肅的議題 |
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因為我還是要再強調喔 |
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376 |
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過去中國 |
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378 |
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他在跨境的鎮壓的時候 |
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380 |
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他基本上 |
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382 |
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是限度型的 |
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384 |
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鎮壓 現在已經沒有限度 |
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384 |
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386 |
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還在升溫當中 |
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386 |
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388 |
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當你看到這個假車禍之後 |
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390 |
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他的下一步可能 |
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就是會讓人不是傷殘而已 |
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394 |
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所以這個升溫的狀況你們掌握到什麼程度 |
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396 |
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這個是個別 |
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398 |
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事件 |
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400 |
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還是中共有系統的準備 |
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400 |
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402 |
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要升溫 |
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402 |
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404 |
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兩個部分喔 就個別安建的 |
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404 |
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406 |
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查查 剛好跟委員說明 |
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408 |
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我們大概都有做一些列管 那有相關的 |
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410 |
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情質會跟警方及時來分享 |
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410 |
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412 |
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讓警方可以採取必要的 |
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412 |
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414 |
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預防的動作 或是後續 |
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416 |
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之後的查處 |
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416 |
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418 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
那第二部分是委員剛剛質詢的 |
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重點 對於他的那個手法 |
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422 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
太陽是不是有不斷的在變化 |
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422 |
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424 |
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那我們認為確實有不斷的在變化 |
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426 |
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因為一般所謂的跨國鎮壓 |
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426 |
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428 |
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一開始是用恐嚇的方式 |
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428 |
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430 |
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台中的案子顯示的是暴力的 |
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430 |
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432 |
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脅迫 暴力的攻擊 |
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432 |
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434 |
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但暴力的攻擊他又會違反我們的法律 |
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434 |
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436 |
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所以他又開始去 |
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436 |
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438 |
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規避法律變成是製造假車禍 |
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438 |
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440 |
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那所以這個整個手法樣態的轉變 |
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440 |
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442 |
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是我們有在觀察的 |
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442 |
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444 |
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現在我基本上可以這麼講 |
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444 |
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446 |
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有限度已經到了接近無限度 |
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446 |
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448 |
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還在升溫當中 |
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448 |
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450 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
這是第一點 |
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450 |
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452 |
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第二點 跟我國 |
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452 |
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454 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
我們的黑幫 當地的黑幫 |
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454 |
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456 |
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是不是有聯繫 |
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456 |
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458 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
是不是有直接的掌控 |
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458 |
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460 |
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或者是操控的狀況 有或沒有 |
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460 |
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462 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
這部分我們剛剛已經跟很多委員說明過了 |
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462 |
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464 |
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有 那主要是黑幫 |
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464 |
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466 |
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以及跟黑幫有關係的徵信社 |
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466 |
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468 |
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哪些幫 哪些幫派 都知道 |
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468 |
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470 |
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都知道 |
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470 |
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472 |
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那我們已經有跟 具體的跟我講 |
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472 |
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474 |
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現在我們就要選擇 |
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474 |
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476 |
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不知道我現在講了之後 但黑幫都跑光了 |
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476 |
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478 |
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台灣的黑幫會跑光 |
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478 |
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480 |
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台灣的黑幫我們是要掃蕩的 |
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480 |
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482 |
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當然族人幫是 海幫哪一些不是 |
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482 |
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484 |
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全部都是啊 |
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484 |
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486 |
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我們剛剛在很多巡達委員 剛剛我們已經講過這件事 |
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486 |
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488 |
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必須要 國安局必須要把 |
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488 |
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490 |
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我們現在這個情勢已經直接到國安的 |
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490 |
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492 |
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直接造成傷害了 所以我要求國安局 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
492 |
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494 |
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把這些情勢 立刻跟法務部講 |
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494 |
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496 |
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我們必須要 這些黑幫 |
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496 |
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498 |
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現在已經猖狂到這種程度 |
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498 |
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500 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
跟境外勢力來去 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
500 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
502 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
把我們的 包含這些演藝人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
502 |
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504 |
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直接的人生生命安全 |
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504 |
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506 |
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來去做威脅 這是很嚴重的事情 |
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506 |
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508 |
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除了這個之外 |
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508 |
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510 |
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我們還要看到 還要把我們自己的國民 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
510 |
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512 |
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送到東南亞去 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
512 |
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514 |
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這就是很 做一句當豬仔 |
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514 |
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516 |
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這都是很嚴肅的議題 |
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516 |
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518 |
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我認為 國安局趕快跟法務部 |
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518 |
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520 |
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來去 戳傷 必須要 |
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520 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
522 |
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嚴正的掃蕩這些黑幫 |
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522 |
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524 |
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從來沒有看過這樣子 越來越嚴重 |
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524 |
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526 |
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你自己看台中那邊 |
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526 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
528 |
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三不五時 都有那種重大的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
528 |
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530 |
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都不是個案 |
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530 |
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532 |
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都是犯罪的幫派 |
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532 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
534 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
整體 這些真的是很嚴肅的議題 |
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534 |
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536 |
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這部分 已經上升到國安 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
536 |
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538 |
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所以局長你這個 一定要全力協助法務部 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
538 |
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540 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
這不是法務部 這是警政署的夜館 |
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540 |
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542 |
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我們跟署長都討論過 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
542 |
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544 |
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我們接下來針對這些 |
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544 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
546 |
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協力的黑幫幫派 我們會有掃蕩的作為 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
546 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
548 |
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不是 我剛剛說法務部 |
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548 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
550 |
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你說要修法 你說要相應的修法 |
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550 |
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552 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
要跟法務部一起來討論 |
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552 |
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554 |
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我們現在講的是 跨境鎮壓的查草 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
554 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
556 |
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黑幫的掃蕩 警政署 |
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556 |
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558 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
法務部我們都要 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
558 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
所以我剛剛講說 在法務 |
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560 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
562 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
或是行政院要來協調做修法相關的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].start |
562 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
564 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
這是法務部我們要做的 |
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564 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
566 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
接下來 我剛剛提到的 |
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566 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
568 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
我們請內政部 警政署 我們來處理 |
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568 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
570 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
其實都還是要共有 |
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570 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
572 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
這真的是很嚴肅 |
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572 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
574 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
老實說 這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].start |
574 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
576 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
黑幫的這種在 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].start |
576 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
578 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
我看現在的狀況是 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].start |
578 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
580 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
我們好像都 政治人物都會 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
580 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
582 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
也會去參加他們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
582 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
584 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
一些他們的這個公祭 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
584 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
586 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
這個我可以理解 但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
586 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
588 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
我可以理解說這是 禮儀上 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
588 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
590 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
這些人就在那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
590 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
592 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
已經造成社會治安的重大危害 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
592 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
594 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
我覺得是事實要把 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
594 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
596 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
我們再處理 謝委員的關心跟提醒 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
596 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
598 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
我們再繼續來注意 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
598 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
600 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
這個很嚴重 因為我看他 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
600 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
602 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
從國安事件到那種 |
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602 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
604 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
除了境外鎮壓之外 |
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604 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
606 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
還把我們的這些國民 |
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606 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
608 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
送到境外去 這些影響都盛大 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
608 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
610 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
這些情報麻煩 |
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610 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
612 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
我們來注意 謝委員 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
612 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
614 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
現在是除了演藝人員之外 還有沒有政治人物也受到影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
614 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
616 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
有些案子都有在列館 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
616 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
618 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
都有 不只這些案子 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
618 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
620 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
還有 還有嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
620 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
事實的就算他不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
622 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
624 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
如果他的有接受到情資 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
624 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
626 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
真的會影響到某些政治人物 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
626 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
628 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
不分在野黨或者是執政黨 |
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628 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
630 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
的安全的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
630 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
632 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
包含派相關的 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
632 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
634 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
這個警政人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
634 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
636 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
來去做個案保護 |
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636 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
638 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
都是有必要性的 要跟他們講 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
638 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
640 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
一些重要的 因為 應該的 好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
640 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
642 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
謝謝 |