| IVOD_ID |
17156 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17156 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-29T08:35:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-29T12:11:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:35:46 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302dd48d6553891abf5a92a87814fc53988403fa04411479d882adea01ea08588328e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部部長及內政部次長就「元旦假期及春節連假期間交通運輸場站、高鐵臺鐵捷運車廂、觀光景區等人潮密集處之安全維護」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查(一)委員林俊憲等23人擬具「發展大眾運輸條例第二條條文修正草案」案及(二)委員柯志恩等23人擬具「發展大眾運輸條例第四條之一條文修正草案」案。
三、繼續審查(一)委員羅美玲等18人擬具「商港法第二條條文修正草案」案及(二)委員林岱樺等18人擬具「商港法第五十三條條文修正草案」案。
【法案部分，開會事由二僅進行詢答，開會事由三進行逐條審查】
【12月29日及31日二天一次會】） |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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現在初期委員已足法定人數現在開會請議事人員宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第四會期交通委員會第十二次全體委員會議事錄時間一百一四年十二月二十二日星期一上午九十一分至十一時十六分十二月二十四日星期三上午九十一分至十二時八分地點本院紅樓二零一會議室主席委員徐富凱等 |
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徐富奎等15人列席委員鄭天才等24人列席官員12月22日國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員陳崇樹等12月24日社會發展部部長林怡靜等主席洪昭吉委員孟凱12月22日報告事項宣讀上次會議議事錄決定議事錄確定討論事項繼續審查1至9 |
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衛星廣播電視法等修正草案決議一 討論四項個案均並案審查完均第一至七個案 拟據審查報告提報院會討論 院會討論前需交由黨團協商 第八九案另拟據審查報告提報院會討論 院會討論前不需交由黨團協商 以上院會討論時均由紅昭級委員孟凱補充說明 審查結果一第一至七個案一第一條趙委員羅自強等提案通過 二第二條趙委員羅自強等提案 |
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臺灣民眾黨黨團提案修正通過 三 第四條 第五條 第十條 增訂第十二條之一 第十七條 含委員侯孟楷等修正動議 第十八條 第十九條 含委員侯孟楷等修正動議 第二十條 第十九條 第五十條 增訂第五十八條之一及第六十六條之一均保留送院會處理 |
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四 第十一條 趙委員 洪孟凱等所提修正動議通過 另甄列二之說明五 第十五條 趙委員 翁曉琳等提案修正通過 而第八九條 第八九案 第六四條 趙委員許智傑等提案 委員洪孟凱等提案通過十二月二十四日 邀請數位發展部部長等進行專題報告並備諮詢 本人會議由數位發展部部長林益晉等報告後 藉由委員洪孟凱 |
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好 現在介紹在場委員我們的洪孟凱召委 |
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介紹列席官員交通部陳世凱部長綜合規劃師張垂龍師長公共運輸及監理師胡迪啟師長行政師韓振華師長法制處許鴻達處長鐵道局楊振軍局長 |
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公路局林福山局長高工局陳文瑞局長航港局葉協榮局長民航局何淑萍局長主任秘書楊國峰運輸研究所黃欣勳所長觀光署陳玉秀署長 |
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1731.73 |
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陳玉秀署長在行程奔走之間滑倒受傷那我是請陳玉秀署長儘速的去就醫療傷那請副署長來這是我的才事那另外桃園機場公司楊維福董事長港務公司王景榮總經理 |
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高鐵公司史哲董事長台鐵公司鄭光元董事長內政部馬世元次長警政署廖訓程副署長台北市交通局王玉凱專門委員新北市交通局楊展雲專員 |
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1791.155 |
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桃園市交通局吳秀堅專門委員台中市交通局江俊良副局長台南市交通局蔡世虛秘書高雄市交通局黃信銀專門委員 |
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1820.081 |
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勞動部勞動力發展署身心障礙者及特定對象就業主許智軒科長行政院人事行政總處人力處孫佩瑜專門委員下一張 |
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本日會議進行元旦假期及春假連結期間交通運輸廠站高鐵台鐵捷運車廂觀光景區等人潮密集處之安全維護之專題報告及發展大眾運輸條例與三港法等修正草案之審查 |
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1866.414 |
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1890.389 |
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以上審查發展大眾運輸條例僅進行巡打程序香港法應以完成巡打程序本日會議會進行逐條審查好 我們現在先確定議事錄站場委員對議事錄有沒有意見好 議事錄確定 |
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1903.343 |
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現在請列席機關報告首先請交通部陳次凱部長報告 |
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1911.038 |
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1936.624 |
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主席各位委員各位女士先生今天應邀至貴委員會就元旦假期及春節連假期間交通運輸廠站台鐵高鐵捷運車廂觀光景區等人潮稠密人潮密集處之安全維護進行專案報告同時就審查發展大眾運輸條例提出本部建議及應處意見 |
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1939.622 |
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1955.539 |
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以及續審商港法修正草案敬請各位委員不吝指教交通廠站作為人流往來關鍵的節點為了維護公共運輸的安全保障國人的生命財產安全 |
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1957.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
1971.788 |
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就管轄支全國陸海空運以及觀光場站建立安全防護機制以及應變的作為作為交通部的首要工作目標以1.219台北市隨機襲擊事件為經驗 |
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1975.33 |
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1987.157 |
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我們交通部已經據此加強推動各項的精進作為並且與內政部警政署聯防全面提升重要場戰之安全以及防護的能力 |
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1989.025 |
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2009.357 |
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就即將到來的元旦假期以及春節的連假交通部已經責請各所屬單位以及事業單位加強維安的作為並且適時的強化場站安全管理以及應變的機制以利突發狀況之下能夠迅速的啟動應處作為並且維持交通服務的穩定運作 |
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2013.86 |
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2038.145 |
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有關於林委員郡縣所提案修正發展大眾運輸條例第二條建議將汽車燃料使用費更名為公路養護修建及安全管理費本部競表之詞為因汽車燃料使用費系修正為公路使用養護安全管理費建議文字可以配合修正 |
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2039.125 |
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2067.483 |
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至於柯委員智恩所提案修正發展大眾運輸條例第四條之一建議能夠增訂各級交通主管機關因依實際的需求請運輸營運業者提供高齡者以及高齡者運輸服務並且規劃無障礙設施以及設備等等的部分因為現行的規定已經有明訂各級的交通主管機關要督導 |
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2083.309 |
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運輸營運者提供無障礙運輸的服務並且規劃設置便於各類身心障礙者行動與使用之無障礙設施與設備而且相關的規定已經包含了高齡者的需求 |
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2103.265 |
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所以建議維持現行條文的規定來推行以上僅先摘要說明本部提出報告重點以及建議處理意見接下來請本部綜合規劃司張司長就元旦假期及春節連假期間交通運輸廠站 |
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2105.066 |
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高鐵台鐵捷運車廂觀光景區等人潮密集處之安全維護之辦理情形以及公共運輸監理司胡市長就大眾運輸條例詳細說明向各位委員報告敬請各位委員指教 |
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2144.028 |
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2158.336 |
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主席各位委員各位女士先生以下就元旦假期及春節連假期間交通運輸場站高鐵台鐵捷運車廂觀光景區等人潮密集處安全維護而進行報告 |
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2161.554 |
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2176.986 |
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在連續假期期間的安全作為 交通部 轄管 陸海空 交通場站各管理機關 元旦假期及春節連假期間安全作為 僅分數如下在陸運交通場站鐵道部分 |
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2204.171 |
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台鐵公司各車站在元旦及春節連假期間將加強將強化場站安全防護作為並與鐵路警察地方警局建立聯防通訊群組提升橫向聯繫及鐵警執法效力同步加強監視設備消防安全設備之巡檢及維護落實門禁管制公共運輸及車廂巡查密切注意可疑人事物 |
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2217.139 |
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人員部分將定期辦理緊急應變消防演練等以利人員熟悉應酬程序就台北車站部分連續假期期間將增派保全資源聯防勤務並增補專責保全巡查車站 |
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2221.101 |
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2248.774 |
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大廳及地下一樓等公共區域針對大廳廁所及月台等治安熱點提高定點守望及巡查頻率並由鐵路警察保全及車站人員交錯巡邏建立安全聯防網群組提升橫向聯繫的效率同時協請台北市府社會局加強無家者輔導與安置在高鐵公司部分高鐵各車站大廳 |
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2270.423 |
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月台及轉乘區 均設24小時監控設備各站行控中心設有熱線電話 可直通鐵井勤務指揮中心及當地救災救護指揮中心 且有鐵井服務台協助維護車廂治安 亦備有防爆叉 盾牌等設備 |
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2297.565 |
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並委託專業保全執行巡查維持戰區及高鐵車廂秩序在捷運系統部分由各該直轄市政府督管各捷運系統與延誕及春節連假等人潮集中期間將啟動既有安全維護與應變機制由行控中心司機員 戰務人員及保全人員加強月台及車廂巡檢與監看以掌握異常狀況適時啟動應變處置並結合 |
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2327.589 |
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警力巡查維持秩序在高速公路各服務區高速公路以整合國道公路警察地方警察機關消防救護單位及服務區經營廠商建立事前整備假期強化即時應變快速支援之安全維護機制強化服務區與連續假期期間之預警防護 |
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2328.789 |
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2344.654 |
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及應變能力 廉價前將召開跨單位安全準備會議並建立即時通報群組 尖峰時段加派管理人員或保全人力 加強現場即時管理與安全維護能量 並對從業人員辦理維安 |
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2347.395 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2367.026 |
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防護意識宣導與應變教育 落實社區設落實設施設備與公共安全檢查 並以國道公路警察局啟動服務區安全聯防提升健警力 以嚇阻安全維安事件 在公路在客運轉運站部分 交通部公路局各 |
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2368.496 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2392.236 |
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各區監理所 客運業者及轉運站管理業者已於通訊軟體成立通報群組當發生緊急危安事件場站將啟動應變編組通報警消及相關主管機關並透過站內廣播引導旅客疏散如遇煙霧或火災狀況將進行初期滅火及安全 |
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2393.464 |
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2396.807 |
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及現場安全維護 並加強站內從業人員安全教育訓練與應變宣導 同時強化執行人員裝備提高 |
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2403.782 |
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2428.03 |
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設備巡檢頻率以為場站安全在上崗部分連駕期間 郵輪靠駁經由港務警察專責執行並配長槍 被盾等防恐裝備進行守望與巡邏 協調港務警察加派人力落實巡查令由CIQS單位落實人身與行李檢查工作 |
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2429.48 |
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2455.46 |
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同時港口監控中心 前天後24小時掌握港口狀況 交通部 航港及港公司定期辦理大型災害及港口保全演練 精進港口安全管理與應變作業 在航空站部分 交通部民航局督導各航空站在連續假期間強化機場安全維護 並由航警局隊進入管制區人員物品及車輛執行安全檢查 |
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2456.392 |
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2479.538 |
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針對航廈大廳與停車場等路側公共區域執行巡邏守望作業各航空站及航警局並持續向機場人員及一般民眾宣導發現可疑立即通報的觀念以強化全員安全維護事效就桃園國際機場部分由於由機場人員執行24小時輪值巡查 |
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2480.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2503.962 |
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定期巡視機場重要設施 並對航廈內異常人事活動加以掌握監控 以降低違法情勢發生之風險另由專責人員前庭後監看機場範圍內CCTV 透過周介圍籬攀爬告警系統 即時偵測入侵或可疑行為在國家 在重要觀光景區 |
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2505.283 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2531.265 |
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觀光署各國家風景區管理處與各地方政府警政消防機關建立橫向聯繫機制落實由下而上同步通報原則以維安事件發生時即時通報警消單位運用景區及交通節點之監控設備掌握現場動態並執行定時巡查另外透過定期教育訓練複合式災害演練及情資收集 |
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2531.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2551.296 |
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提前因應人為衝突或成抗事件 觀光遊樂業方面落實檢查演練及人員訓練以維護連續駕駛之景區安全交通部將持續精進應變作為提升緊急應變 |
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2553.84 |
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2582.723 |
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能力包括一 精進突發事件通報流程因應廉價期間人潮集中情形強化橫向及縱向通報以利指揮應變 二強化場站案應變功能強化第一時間掌握狀況及協調調度之能力 三建立更具效率之通報模式提升跨單位之即時聯繫功能 四提升演練頻率並納入多元災害 |
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2583.823 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2602.872 |
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樣態增進各單位對應變流程之熟悉度5 評估科技工具輔助監控與預警協助辨識異常行為或環境變化提升計時試檢與試檢與應變能力6 就人潮密集之共構廠站指揮檢討指揮協調與分工機制促進整體應變運作之順暢 |
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2608.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2621.884 |
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主席各位女士先生就12月19號事件發生後交通部陳部長在下午5點半開始即透過交通部工作群組指揮交通部各部署機關首長進行應變 |
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2625.472 |
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2650.503 |
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同時交通部武政務次長也在6點20分進駐台北車站應變中心這同時交通部陳部長也要求交通部所有部署機關對第二天第三天也就是20號21號所有交通部場站的各重大活動在內政部警政署的協助下就禮拜六禮拜天的重要活動進行維安的加強 |
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2677.454 |
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最後在12月22號 也就是上禮拜一下午 交通部陳部長載到臺北車站對12月19號的應儲及聯合防災中心的機制做檢討提出了上述向主席跟各位委員 理事報告的持續進行應變作為六項最後因應元旦 |
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2678.157 |
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2704.085 |
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及春節連假期間 交通運輸場站及觀光景區等人潮密集處安全維護需求 交通部已責成各交通場站加強安全戒備 並配合警方及相關單位落實巡查通報與應變機制應變協調強化緊急應變處置量能 持續維持公共運輸系統至正常運作於旅客乘車秩序 以上是交通部報告 |
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2719.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2734.301 |
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主席各位委員各位女士先生以下僅就審查那個林委員敬獻柯委員致恩等相關委員你去發展大眾運輸條例第二條及第四條之一兩案提案修正提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
2734.781 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2760.815 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
提出本部處理意見 進行指教 針對林委員郡縣提案修正發展大眾輸出條例第二條 建議將汽車燃料使用費更名為公路養護修建及安全管理費本部競表支持 由於汽車燃料使用費名稱是源於公路法第27條規定 該規定業經大院於今年12月2日三讀通過 並經總統 |
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2763.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
2781.542 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
於今年十二月十九日公布修正將汽車燃料使用費修正為公路使用養護安全管理費顧本次委員提案建議可參酌公路法修正調整針對柯委員致恩提案修正發展大眾運輸條例第四條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
2782.102 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2797.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
建議增訂各級交通主管機關因依實際需求請運輸營運業者提供高齡者運輸服務並規劃無障礙設施及設備那依規定各級交通主管機關因依實際需求與營運 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
2799.754 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
2816.291 |
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業者所服務之路線 航線或區域內規劃適當的路線 航線班次客車廂及船艙提供無障礙運輸服務並規劃設置便於各類身心障礙者行動與使用之無障礙設施與設備 |
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2818.413 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
2819.253 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
現在請內政部馬次長來做 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
2848.193 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
2848.213 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
報告 |
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2860.993 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
2886.512 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
主席各位女士先生以及媒體朋友大家早安非常感謝貴委員會應邀請列席今天的專題報告並被質詢由於內政部主管治安消防救災救護業務所以在針對前接交通部所報告人潮密集處的安全維護的部分提出我們的一個專案的說明 |
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2887.591 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
2913.852 |
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那首先在維安策略的部分我們第一個重點是必須要對目前在一二一九事件之後所有的維安情資收報來進行加強巡邏跟查緝的工作由於網路上還是有非常多恐嚇聳動的言論預言的攻擊以及模仿犯罪等這些涉及刑法的 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
2914.793 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
2940.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
以及仇恨犯罪的這些發言所以在預先防處跟消米災禍於無形的部分我們跟友軍尤其是我們在檢警單位之間我們會形成一個合作的機制來防止重大的違安跟暴力事件發酵而且也避免在這段期間一部分的民眾的情緒不斷的被挑動 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
2942.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
2966.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
第二有關於巡邏密度的部分由於在這段期間我們必須要維持社會對治安的一個信心所以本部警政署在保安警察總隊相關的總隊的警力的部分會全數來動員協助我們各地方政府警察機關加強巡邏以及我們各大眾運輸系統場站 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
2968.447 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
2990.192 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
大型活動觀光景點等人潮密集的處所來保持巡邏的一個密度提高我們的一個見景率來維護安全那此外在保育總隊維安特勤隊負責反恐的專責部隊以及刑事局除暴特勤隊刑事局征武隊防暴 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
2991.592 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
3014.277 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
特勤防暴的專業單位也都會待命來處理極端的事件的發生以及預防那第三點是有關於區域聯防的部分我們在航空鐵路港務跟各轄區的警察局在這段期間會保持密切的聯絡那麼尤其是某些鐵路站區沒有加派 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
3015.157 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
3026.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
鐵路警察駐守的部分我們會由轄區的警察來協助那麼預防我們把暴力事件的一個發生而且能夠強化相互通報跟迅速偵辦的一個機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
3028.817 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
3054.092 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
那第四點是有關於現場應變處置的部分由於現場的指揮官是以我們的警方為主只要遇到重大的暴力攻擊事件我們會協同民力來實施封鎖管制情勢控制搶救傷亡跟棄凶等作為這個部分我們在這段期間會再度的強化這部分的措施那麼在針對節日的部分 |
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3055.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
3079.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
剛剛也有提到我們在網路上面或者是在公開的留言的部分我們會跟法務部來合作針對民眾的恐嚇言論或者是針對公眾恐嚇言論會依照刑法第151條做及時下架依法偵辦的一個決心那麼法務部也配合這個部分來強化我們整個犯罪偵查跟起訴的一個效率 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
3080.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
3095.138 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
那第二點是在民力協情的部分由於我們有民防一警一交以及各場站所屬的保全人員所以在警方的部分除了警力部分 警力之外我們也強調警民議題的一個概念 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
3095.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
3124.546 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
希望能夠跟不同的友軍共同來協助公共場所的秩序與安全那麼第三點是有關於通報機制由於各警察單位都有快打警力編制那麼在一二一九事件之後本部警政署也針對快打警力的一個執勤以及裝備的部分進行檢討而且能夠提升快打警力的效率希望能夠在事件任何微小或者是重大事件發生的時候都能夠迅速到場 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
3125.606 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
3136.672 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
第四點是從現在開始一直到跨年我們會成立緊急應變小組那麼來維繫這段時間的一個社會治安的穩定那同時針對延續到 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
3139.574 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
3155.265 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
春節期間總共有137場大型的活動那這部分警政署也會結合各地方的警政力量在一面小組的機制之下共同來維持社會的一個秩序及控制事態的一個發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
3155.925 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
3178.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
那最後有關於跨年跟春節的活動本來在警政署的例行性的村安工作上面我們都有相關的規劃那在這個部分我們也會針對金融機構還有重要的治安熱點成立機動派出所來加強我們的一個治安維護的一個能量那麼節雨的部分警察站在維護治安跟交通的第一線 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
3179.423 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
3202.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
也不會因為節日或連假有所鬆懈當然因為一二一九事件之後對社會的衝擊很大所以警察機關也會持續盡盡作為在對民眾以及社會有更好的一個說明以及這個處置的一個方式來讓社會大眾對治安能夠保持信心那在此也預祝各位新年快樂 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
3211.552 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
3236.785 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
現在要開始進行專題報告及審查發展大眾運輸條例修正草案之詢答先宣告以下事項詢答時間出席委員8分鐘列席委員6分鐘委員方案登記於10點30分截止各委員如有臨時提案請於10點前提出以便議事人員會診 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
3238.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
3258.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
暫定10點30分 休息10分鐘好 謝謝 現在請登記發言第一位李崑澤召委發言謝謝洪孟愷召委請一下陳部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
3266.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
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以及楊振軍局長 陳文熱局長 林武山局長台鐵公司 高鐵公司董事長陳部長 三位局長以及兩位董事長請委員長 |
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部長好 對於保障國內外旅客搭乘大眾運輸的基本安全是我們重要的基本責任那對於場站的安全不只是我們要針對單點式來做進行一個安全的一個處理更是要風險的一個流程以及相關的這種整體系統性的來處理相關的場站安全的這樣一個問題 |
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當然我們針對無差別供給是要建立更完整的一個安全體系不管是在發生前的事件的預防跟演練或者是發生中要減少危害程度以及追蹤相關的犯罪行為或者是在發生之後危害的一個平復跟安全漏洞的檢討剛才部長也有針對 |
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相關的應對未來的處理有做基本的說明但是我們演練的頻率我來請教一下部長是 |
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台北車站為例我們實際的10元實境的演練是在2019年的8月2019年的10月有進行相關的這樣的一個實境的演練10元的演練那2019年之後就沒有了只有到2021年到2024年兩次 |
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是採用桌上推演的兵推的方式這樣的一個演練方式這樣的頻率能夠提升我們相關的場站的安全嗎 來說明一下好 報告委員確實我們過去整個聯合防災中心的這個演練的頻率跟次數確實是不夠雖然各個鐵道的單位各自有辦各自的這個演練但是以這一次的這個災害發生的狀況看起來 |
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各鐵之間的聯繫才是更重要的事情所以我們在明年的1月我們打算要準備再辦一次聯合的防災的演練那也希望能夠建置起來未來的每一年能夠辦理這樣子聯合防災的演練更重要的是聯合通報的機制必須要把它建立好現在雖然有這個機制但是以這一次的事件看起來聯合的那個通報的狀況不夠完善好 |
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部長你既然提到通報我們針對緊急通報目前的方式不論是台鐵高鐵或是機場轉運站及休息站等等他主要是依靠緊急通報是主要依靠車廂內或特定地點的緊急按鈕 |
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另外就是民眾的報警或者是場戰內CCTV維護這樣一個場戰的安全其實在目前國內外已經要使用AI的影像辨識技術來加速偵測危險以及相關的異常行為的這種做法我們看到我們港務公司目前已經用CCTV來偵測 |
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闯入禁制区的人员或者是未经允许闯入港口的这些船只那欧美他们更是进一步的引入异常行为分析或是危险品的这种侦测的系统以快速的 |
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以加快這種異常行為或攜帶危險品的一個預警時間那我看行政院也有提出相關的一個宣示那他們也有同樣的構想就是說在未來要導入相關的應用但是也要提醒這種導入相關的應用及作為 |
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要避免侵犯個人隱私就是限制是以邊緣計算的這樣的一個方式只進行風險行為的一個分析避免真恐避免這種連恐的一個辨識部長說明一下我們交通部未來規劃方向是如何 |
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報告委員您所說的這個重點其實我們在檢討的計畫當中也已經都納入我們在這個公路的系統其實我們在隧道的部分已經有這個AI辨識整個異常的狀況那另外在港口的部分委員您剛剛有提到我們對於傳播的部分異常的傳播或異常的這個 |
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闖入的事件我們有做這個分析之外我現在也請港務公司在做整個碼頭上面如果有異常的移動等等之類要做AI的分析那針對場戰的部分我們現在也在研議未來要導入AI科技的這個影像的辨識並且要預警因為我們這個鏡頭非常多像您上面所提供的資料有1950個不可能用人力下去看去辨別它的異常 |
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但是行為上的異常是可以用AI來辨識出來但是行為上的異常必須要先去這個識別化就是不要把人臉放進來但是以人潮的移動或者是人潮的這個異常的動作等等之類來作為辨別的系統那如果由AI辨別出來之後就可以馬上跳出來讓管理的人員看到這樣子的畫面馬上去判斷該做什麼樣的應處這個部分已經納入我們的檢討計畫 |
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不然我們提到運用科技其實我們要提到我們相關的基礎設施不足以及權責不清的這個問題我們必須要來正視那權責不清的部分就以台北車站為例台北車站它複合了多種的這樣的一個交通載具還有商場那它整個系統包括四個軌道系統還有地下街的系統還有微風 |
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他是有九大系統包含台鐵高鐵台北捷運桃園機場捷運還有台北戰前中山成品地下街以及微風廣場這是九大系統那九大系統他們都有各自系統維護自己建置的CCTV的這樣的一個系統 |
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但是還有部分系統他們是採用類比式的這樣的一個攝影機還沒有全面的轉換成數位式的攝影機這差在哪邊因為類比式的攝影機它沒有辦法進行了影像的辨識那我們在推動科技應用的時候這種基礎建設的落差 |
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就會出現漏洞這個是必須我們要去正視的另外系統差異的問題不只是在軟硬體的部分也在業務協作的部分容易發生權責這樣的一個區分不清或是協作斷點的一個情況那嚴重的時候 |
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各單位都會認為應該是對方這個單位要負責不是我們這個單位負責造成反應不解跟混亂的狀況 |
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例如1月19的事件台北車站聯合防災中心他並沒有及時接到台北捷運的這樣的一個通報他是收到台北消防局的通報對 消防局的通報這個民眾會嚇死第一時間不是台北機場捷運發現是消防局通報 |
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另外針對中央地方及民間業者各種不同的系統跟狀態他涉及到預算的部分也許他是沒有辦法直接整合但是在規格跟資訊互通方面應該能夠串接 |
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互相的支援這個交通部有沒有相關的一個規劃跟委員報告我們明天下午由伍聖元次長會召集會議我們希望就整體的全國的各個聯合的廠站彼此系統該怎麼串接的部分也來做討論那我們希望有鐵道局這邊能夠協助尤其像台北 |
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車站這麼複雜因為他九大系統合併在同一個地方確實大家的軟體系統不一樣硬體系統也不一樣未來的整合一定會出問題那這個必須要花一些時間大家統合來討論那這個部分交通部會積極來辦理部長我要提醒你台北車站聯合防災中心是周遭所有的攝影機都匯整到這個地方那 |
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我剛才講的這九大系統它是超過1950個CCTV的一個鏡頭有48個分割的畫面常態配置只有二至三人在監看你認為這樣能夠強化預警減少反應的時間嗎 來說明一下 |
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包委員一方面人力應該是不夠九大系統這麼大的一個範圍要來管理那這麼多的人流量兩到三個人絕對是不夠的那這個部分我們會跟九大系統大家來檢討因為這個是九大系統大家一起出錢建置在台鐵的下面這一方面要檢討那二方面就是委員剛剛所提到要檢討多久 |
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我們應該是三個月之內能夠檢討出來這個要盡速的來做調查我們盡速來處理那另外就是剛剛所提到的AI的系統我們要趕快導入因為再多的人力都沒有辦法看這麼多的影像那必須要導入AI快速的把異常的影像能夠跳出來 |
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另外最後一點時間我認為廠站的維安人員他目前最主要是包給民間的保全業者那未來交通部是否要研議說交通廠站自行採購相關的器械來給保全業者使用那或者是這些相關器械使用納入採購的範圍來說明一下 |
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報告委員目前高鐵車站應該都有這樣子的設備那台鐵的部分還沒有到全面化那這個部分我們會來增加預算來設置這樣子的設備給所有的保全人員另外廠站的這些部分是由諸位警力進行安全維護我看到有些這些保全維安人員並沒有加入相關的演練 |
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這個必須要改善而且不僅是要演練制服歹徒也要熟悉練習快速疏散民眾跟工作人員減少危害這種也要避免疏散時發生這種踐踏的意外這都是確保安全的一個重要的工作那未來維安人員保全人員也要進行相關的演練來最後讓你說明一下 |
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報告委員這個部分我們都會來做積極的演練因為事前最重要的是演練事情發生的同時才能夠快速的應變並且趕快把人潮疏散或者是歹徒的追蹤等等之類能夠快速的調出資料給警政單位這個部分我們都在努力當中部長今天也有做初步的一個說明我們希望看到你保障民眾安全能夠有積極的效率跟相關的成果的一個展現讓民眾安心好謝謝委員 |
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謝謝洪孟愷召委 現在請洪孟愷召委發言主席謝謝再請陳世凱部長 請陳部長 |
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好 部長2025年最後一次交通委員會跟您做質詢那先請教因為前天這個七級的地震那到目前為止我們也看到是說大眾運輸系統裡面我們盤點一下有沒有什麼樣的異常 |
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跟委員包括我們有一些場戰有受損的狀況但是並不嚴重比較嚴重的大概是在淘機淘機的部分有一些天花板掉落的狀況那台鐵也有一些那另外在當天我們有一些軌道你必須要透過巡軌的狀況才能夠通行所以當天我們有一些像高鐵有一些旅客有滯留的狀況在車上所以我只是確認一下因為今天所有單位都來了嗎 |
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到目前為止是不是都妥善處理完畢那沒有造成任何營運上的現在都已經恢復營運都沒有任何的問題好好雙鐵在內好 那再來延續剛剛我們召委的一個詢問其實在這次1.219的一個恐怖攻擊事件裡面也有專家學者就看得出來未來其實在這種為什麼大眾運輸場域集中的地方我們要加強演練 |
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很大的一個原因是因為這樣的一個凶嫌他的心理狀態他可能是想要破壞正常的生活那一樣拉回來因為我們各縣市政府其實這個捷運有所謂的捷運公司那我們自己交通部主管機關其實不管是台鐵或高鐵現在也都是公司 |
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所以說變成是我們怎麼樣整合您剛剛有提到一個演練非常重要那我想請教一下因為現在我們系統會比較多元警察的部分由內政部來負責但是交通部的主管機關其實是掌控這一些可是這一些大眾運輸又是各縣市政府所以它就變成是說有一點點多頭馬車但我覺得說安全標準還是要一致也因此你剛剛講說最快的速度來做一個演練我們有沒有一套標準 |
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跟委員報告我們目前最優先的是聯合的廠站例如說我們供購廠站有三鐵供購兩鐵供購等等的這些我們先優先處理目前也都有計畫我們本來就有一個擬定的計畫不過還要再更落實還有就是兩位委員不斷在提到的就是演練的部分我們要更落實下去演練我們過去其實針對多元的 |
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狀態的演練蠻多的那尤其是火災跟水災的災害的狀況但是現在看得到就是委員您剛剛特別提醒的就是人為攻擊的部分的演練過去或許頻率跟次數沒有這麼多那這個部分必須要加強起來那第二就是我也請鐵道局我剛剛也有報告過明天下午我們武聖雲次長會召開一個會議請鐵道局也好或者是各個場戰系統也好大家共同來討論那各自合作的界面是什麼 |
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那個很重要在這次的事件當中所以明天的開會鐵道局會找我們六個縣市的捷運局捷運公司台鐵 高鐵一起來是嗎來 我們請司長來回答一下看有哪些單位來報告委員請要回答初步是鐵道局我們監理單位供應師 綜合規劃師以及重要的各部署機關這是第一波我們在 |
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那我想請教就各縣市捷運局其實最重點我們平常人的生活我們由下而上就是說台北捷運 新北捷運台中 桃園 台南 高雄這些都要一起找來因為其實這些場域才會是民眾面對到第一線 |
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有沒有報告委員基本上在國家重要關鍵設施的演練特別是委員你關心的共構戰在過往的關鍵設施演練在國土辦的指導下我們都有一定程度的演練配合各 |
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不是你還沒有回答這個問題有那麼難回答不是來部長我來回答部長我現在沒有在挖陷阱我現在想的是民眾的反應因為這個就是本席看到你不能說台北捷運就是台北市政府那台北市政府他標準跟新北市府跟台中市府那還有我們對於台鐵公司高鐵公司航空站這些都要一定標準那另外本席也提到剛剛借用昭緯我們李昭緯的那個圖 |
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每個保全它的設備它的防護裝置是否一致不要說高鐵的保全可能比較好台鐵保全的設備比較沒有那麼的完善這樣就不行嘛來 |
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跟委員報告您在講的這個非常非常重要一定要做那我們上個禮拜鐵道局其實已經有召集各縣市的鐵道系統包含您所說的六都的這個捷運系統等等都有來開過會那不過那是初步而已所以我們部裡面在明天會有一個會議先把我們部署的機關在法治層面上面有哪些是不足的我們先來做整體的討論那我們跟各個鐵道系統也都一樣 |
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要保持這樣子的溝通而且會議要更密集要找出方法那我是不是請鐵道局長來回覆一下上個禮拜他所召開的會議部長 除了鐵道以外本席現在強調鐵道 航空站 商港其實都要一併納入因為這一些都是大眾運輸人潮聚集之處那本席只要求的是應該要有一個標準譬如說台北捷運他可能保全會配置什麼樣的一個系統什麼樣的設備 |
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那新北捷運應該也比照辦理台中捷運比照辦理等於是我們中央有一個標準出來讓各縣市各大負責航空 商港 捷運 台鐵 高鐵都要一併適用 |
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報告委員不要有話外之地嘛沒錯是不是所以我們說明天的會議我們就是要盤點說這個基本大家在法治層面因為坦白說現在沒有辦法強制大家怎麼做那多久以前會把它給標準定出來並且要求我們所有的重大我們希望能夠三個月之內三個月大家來更具體來討論但三個月就又過了農曆年農曆年其實是農曆年的這個過程我們希望說跟檢證署這邊合作我們大家想辦法加強 |
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警察歸警察部分我們會要求內政部警政署但是交通部所有的大眾運輸我們要求交通部好不好好 三個月內把它給訂出來那另外延續過來基捷本席先看到2026年明年我們第三航廈也一起要 |
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持續的努力的興建那以及有一個很重要是A14捷運站積捷A14捷運站希望明年可以來啟用那本席現在想要提到另外一個部分其實過去我跟部長請教很多積捷的車廂現在是不夠的因為運客量也 |
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但是我們要購買集結車廂的時候遇到一個狀況已經兩年多三年了沒有辦法解決局長最了解就是因為我們當初的這個系統商他說破產倒閉然後變成是我們現在零件沒有生產 |
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那本席也已經開過好幾次會因為我們也有增加要求A2A捷運站跟A5A捷運站能夠設置但現在沒有辦法可是我們現在看到A14它是新的車站但你那時候講說預留系統 |
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所以明年A14是可以順利上線的明年是可以後年116年底我們會跟這個T3航廈同時啟用所以A14可以順利上線可是還是沒有辦法解決車廂不足的問題對不對那本席就提過那現在是不是應該 |
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要開始著手計畫就是不管跟桃園市府跟新北市府跟台北市府因為他們都是股東以及交通部當初有編列預算來購買車廂的一個經費但我們現在要開始研擬計畫說那是不是一起連同系統的部分要怎麼解決 |
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那這個著手了沒因為我半年前交通委員會的考察的時候我就有要求但到目前為止還沒有看到一個進度這個耗資系統其實桃園市政府已經一直在討論那這個部分鐵道局也會協助他們看耗資系統的部分怎麼解決耗資系統整個系統解決了之後可能車廂會比較容易來進行但現在就是沒有辦法解決 |
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現在沒有辦法解決所以部長我現在提出來的重點在於是因為我們已經問能解決三年前可能就解決了是是是 鮑威那個因為耗資系統要重置是那現在重置本期就要問的是說那有沒有計畫是做重置了解也許它是一個五年後的事情但我們現在開始要做努力來才有辦法是預警因為後年A14捷運站開始第三航廈開始我們就我們的理解我們也期待是說旅客量大增嘛 |
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那車廂一定會更不足啊那我們現在如果說不現在著手開始的話以後還是遙遙無期啊是是是這個桃園市長因為他是因為我們是因為能夠部長三個月內也請鐵道局你責任鐵道局針對桃園機場車廂建置以及系統的重置提出一個短中長期的計畫那至少告訴我們什麼時候可以重置完畢吧 |
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報告員我們可以來協助桃園市政府但是這個提這個計畫必須要桃園市政府他們提要求我們現在趕快來開會因為再怎麼樣車廂建制是兩年多前三年前那時候鄭文燦副院長很高興我們交通部編的預算來結果三年過去了什麼都沒有是 |
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我們三個月之內我們召集桃園市政府以及各相關的單位由鐵道局這邊來做來跟大家來討論如果說是要召集開會那這樣不用三個月三個禮拜就可以了啦能不能再 |
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一月底以前好不好沒有問題好那最後抱歉一分鐘因為過年農曆年春假很多旅客可能也會出國也有郵輪的一些計畫所以我們之前有討論郵輪的定型化契約我也看到了交通部現在從上陸流開始在出手正在進行非常好但另外上個禮拜消機會有一個新聞我想部長也可能有看到就是針對現在國內航空業它的機票的部分 |
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就是說明明他是同一個人我們現在撇除就是說同一個人可是他的英文姓名上面打可能多一個碼少一個碼有些時候那個橫槓有沒有打那他就把航空業者就把他認定為他是不同人那到了臨櫃之後才要求是說他要改名那當然改名的成本其實完全不透明 |
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民眾也不知道是說我就是改一個名還是一樣我我現在撇開不是同一個人就單純同一個人但改名結果反而他的那個購票成本跟重買一張機票幾乎一樣那本席現在就提出兩個部分這是消基會他們在上禮拜的一個新聞也做了解就是說第一到底航空業者他們的手續費改票費還有作業費怎麼計算不知道 |
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這航空業者自己把它給藏起來他說多少錢就多少錢消費者是弱勢那第二個部分能不能說至少提醒民眾在購買票的時候如果說他真的有改名的狀況他應該要有做多少的一個這個成本的一個揭露 |
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我覺得這兩個部分應該是要成本揭露讓消費者能夠了解我以為您所提醒的這個部分我們請民航局這邊可以趕快來跟這個航空公司來做了解但最重要是要有定型化契約其實還是一樣定型化契約就是郵輪有定型化契約那我們也希望航空業者大家來經營都非常好 |
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我們也期待航空的市場更活絡發展但是不應該是有些成本變成是隱藏的讓消費者不知道那到最後變成是好像另外一個金雞母我覺得這不應該這個我們趕快來了解看怎麼處理那是不是也是一個月內可以沒問題我們一個月內來跟航空公司來做討論好不好再麻煩 謝謝部長謝謝委員謝謝洪孟愷委員洪孟愷召委發言完畢現在請林國成委員發言 |
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好 謝謝主席我們請交通部陳部長請陳部長還有我們高鐵公司的史哲董事長請史哲董事長 台鐵公司的鄭光源董事長還有我們內政部我們馬次長委員好 |
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好 四位早我想要執行這個部分我要把內心的話必須自言自語的你們可以不要聽從上會期我當召委的時候去台北車站看到我們的台北車站聯合災情中心結果 |
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不斷的發生這些事件然後各部門橫向聯繫各自為政工人無法發揮但是我在看當初的報告那個時候部長不在結果 |
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我們包括在座幾位議員包括洪孟楷召委包括那個廖委員我們幾個人都到那裡你們所有的報告部長你看一下連災中心結果每一個報告什麼見警力啦緊急處理啦六大項我看了非常滿意非常感動我覺得這個事情的花生 |
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任何一件不管大或小到現在為止還沒有看到恐共你們就這做成這樣所以我看完以後我非常難過包括很簡單的一個小小車站裡面可以有性侵之行為竟然沒有人發現這是非常可悲的事結果我們 |
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12月19號的張文事件結果只聽到什麼聽到報案報案報案報案任何一個警鈴任何一個報案的系統完全蕩然無存 |
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真的你看完以後這個到底聯合防災這是科前主席科前院長那個市長他認為有必要把它聯合起來橫向聯繫我們存在的這總共有八個地方包括高鐵 交通 捷運等等這些都要把它聯合橫向聯繫 |
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才會成立這個台北車站聯合防災中心其目的是在保護這些我們的這些旅客的安全所以部長你這六項的這些報告措施哪一項做好了你可以不可以告訴本市這六項 |
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報告委員這個部分其實看到了事件之後就會覺得說很多樣都必須要再更檢討更精進檢討跟精進我們會持續來做但確實過去有這樣子的聯合機制我們在這次的事件當中也看到有很多的事情不夠落實 |
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這個部分我們目前正在加強不過有一點就是說加強旅客的宣導以及及時通報的部分在5點當天1 2 19的5點23分事情發生之後雖然不是由北捷來通知聯合防災中心是由消防單位來通知他們不過他們在5點27分的時候就透過廣播系統 |
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在整個北車的整個周邊透過廣播系統告訴民眾那個區域不要再進去了那這個通報的部分他們是有做到那但是橫向的聯繫的部分機關跟機關之間的橫向聯繫確實是有很大的檢討的空間這個我們正在考慮當中部長我要跟你談這個議題 |
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主要這些功能存在但是要發揮因為聯合 所謂的聯合就是你八大系統台鐵 高鐵 捷運還有這些商場等等這些本來就是要發揮不然你聯合幹嘛就是因為以前有缺點科前市長他才希望你們要有成立這些可是你們在演習的時候都演得很好 |
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可是遇到有事情發生的時候為什麼做不好我現在這裡有一個問題特別提供給部長看看我們高鐵 |
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台鐵還有我們所有站裡面有沒有可能做到一點就是一般來講小小社區它里鄰裡面都可以緊急通報也就是100公尺裡面它跑到這裡一按就知道這裡發生事情它馬上通報的時候它的警網 |
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它是布置好的哪邊發生事情前後東南西北他們都有辦法去知道這裡發生事情他們的這種緊急救援或者緊急處理的情況 |
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馬上是打擊我相信這個馬政司你們最清楚這個警網的佈置你們要去做到發揮這種最高境界結果你們演習都非常好真正事情發生無法去面對所以部長 |
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我要建議就是以後不要再檢報了趕快緊急未以籌謀把他這個報案網把它聯合起來這不難嘛現在我們只做到車廂裡面發生事情他可以緊急扭扣去做報案可是我們為什麼不能擴展到我們的決運我們的車站 |
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這些都可以做的嘛這個做的不難嘛不要又告訴我這個是要電腦這要幹嘛一定要多少的預算這個對於老百姓報案的系統靠他的手機 |
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真的這不是一個真正有聯合救災的一個系統所以部長這個你們要不要研究一下也就是地下街有報案林然後我們的捷運有報案林我們的高鐵有報案林我們的台鐵有報案林把它聯合起來直到24小時這裡有緊急事故馬上有辦法去做到這一點部長 |
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要不要研議一下報告委員我們各個廠商應該都有緊急的按鈕緊急的按鈕但是緊急按鈕按了之後他有沒有辦法達到您所說的報案的這個狀態我們來檢視一下這第一第二更重要的是我們在密度上委員在關心的是可能是例如說北車這麼大的一個 |
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量體的狀況底下它的密度上到底夠不夠這個我們來檢討那1月底也就是明年的1月底我們會辦一個北車的聯合防災的演練在演練的過程我也會將委員的這個建議跟要求我把它放到演練裡面大家一起共同來討論討論看該怎麼樣的設置才是比較夠的 |
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我們來聊一下沒有啦 這個各部門因為有八個單位八個單位自行把這個治安死角的地方一花生地方把它連結起來我們交通部只做一個 |
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定點的連結線其他你們要把它拉來這個可以各單位可以去做好了所以部長這個我要拜託你真的不要在每一次發生事情以後才來檢討要如何去做發現到未已籌摸的事情要儘快去做嘛好不好這個不是很困難那個最後最後有一個比較有趣的 |
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我特別來接下一張這個緩香安全是很重要不是只有順暢安全也很重要這點我必須要再提醒一下要再提醒一下不要每一次進檢例有事情就進檢例一個禮拜第八天就沒有再看到了我跟你講 |
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這些凶嫌晃案之人如果有機可趁 他們就會趁無機可趁 他們就沒有辦法所以我還是希望不管這段時間過年快到不是只有春安演習我想這個部分我們動用不管高鐵 不管台鐵我們的動用義工的方式杯子一看 |
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不要用個標示 這樣的話我想多少會有嚇阻作用那最後一個我比較有興趣的就是說最近剛好鐵路連渡代表部長來 這裡有16個你會先選哪一個有16個字16個字喔對 你會選哪一個 |
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好啦 你回去看一下啦我也不要為難你啦因為時間的關係啊所以我也不要為難你確實現在大家都在想要現在網路裡面在寫這些那個鐵路的這些話語第一個 |
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我們漲價以後服務品質是沒有增加的那最後我還是希望交通的順暢安全要第一人民生命財產勝過於交通的方便這點我希望部長能夠盡快的把這些事情把它做好好不好好 謝謝林國成委員發言完畢現在請許智傑委員發言 |
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謝謝主席我們請部長還有民航局請部長還有請民航局署名委員好部長好今天中共又來擾台那對台軍演 |
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對我們的飛機跟郵輪我們的航班航線有沒有影響那我們如何應應 |
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報告委員 針對中共的軍演交通部這邊要先表達一個立場對於他們這樣蠻橫無禮的作為我們要表達非常強烈的抗議跟譴責那當然他對於我們整個航空也好 航海也好的航運的安全必然造成影響那這個部分我們對於該準備的替代的航路我們正在盤點跟準備當中 |
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那除了替代航路要準備之外對於我們整體的這個運量的流量也必然有影響所以我們對於整個航空跟航海的流量的這個管理我們也正在盤點當中那這個部分我們的因應措施都在準備那時間上都會被拖延到嗎 |
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那甚至就是說是不是會有一些航班航點會被因為拖延而阻礙而取消那這些部分人民在坐飛機的時候他應該要怎麼去思考報告委員目前因為他們的軍演的這個狀態還沒有很明確在至少中午之前還沒有很明確那我們在下午的時候我們會把整個盤點的狀況盤點完整之後再向所有的民眾來做說明跟報告 |
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那這個部分我們希望能夠影響降到最低我剛剛有講過我們大概會找替代的航路當有替代的航路的時候我們的影響就可以降到蠻低的那不過流量的部分或許會有一些影響那影響到底多大我們目前還在盤點當中我想針對這個中共又對台軍演我真的跟不起來因為我感到非常的氣憤 |
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國民黨藍白的委員老是在罵我們國家罵我們總統 罵我們國內的官員今天這個惡靈居到我們台灣來這邊亂來亂去藍白立委竟然不吭聲 竟然不罵中國 |
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我覺得我們在這邊除了對中國軍人表示嚴厲的譴責之外也對藍白的立委表示嚴厲的譴責你們有種 你們有辦法你就一起來譴責中共啊為什麼都不吭聲呢所以我在這邊表示非常的氣憤跟譴責 |
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那也希望說部長就是跟民航局跟航港局大家辛苦啦就是說有關於相關的被受到影響的航線航班那能夠盡快做個因應也能夠盡快跟我們全國同胞人民跟他們講這個因應之道他們才知道這幾天如果他居然不知道一天兩天三天那後續應該怎麼因應我想也讓人民能夠清楚的認知我們密切關注並且準備好因應措施請委員跟國人放心謝謝部長辛苦 |
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好那其他的可以先那個我再請那個部長之外還有那個觀光署跟公路局請觀光署副署長林武山局長我這邊先跟部長報告一下就是說我們台灣很多旅客到日本去泡溫泉 |
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然後享受日本的風光所以這個是國人想到日本人數很多的一年我們現在到日本大概600萬 |
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的觀光客那日本到台灣差不多才130萬左右所以在這個數目上還是有很大的差距那我希望說我們觀光署跟公路局能夠協助就是來如何推動東高雄大崎美地區的溫泉觀光特區那我也在地做了一些研究就是說在我們溫泉要擴大 |
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的角度包括茂林包括六龜寶來那邊上游源頭都有溫泉可以取那我希望說我們交通部跟觀光署在整個國際觀光裡面能夠創造一個什麼樣的利多讓日本人讓韓國人讓其他世界各國的觀光客他想到我們台灣來觀光旅遊所以呢 |
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我們的茂林國家風險區我也跟署長跟部長提過將來的茂林國家風險區他的思考點應該不只是茂林國家風險區的這個區塊負責的區域而已應該把茂林國家風險區擴大 |
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那包括大崎美地區東高雄能夠一起來思考那我就可以結合幾個觀光點就是說第一個我把溫泉擴大第二個就是我包括六龜包括美濃包括崎山包括內門甲仙等等的這些他做一個整體的思考 |
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部長可以看到我的簡報上面左邊這裡就是東高雄六龜音樂市集它包括泡湯 音樂 美食一次滿足這個是我們在地觀光局所辦的活動我們也希望說觀光局跟觀光署大家一起來思考如何讓我大高雄能夠整合這些觀光資源 |
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那觀光署的角度其實就相當的重要那當然有很多的交通的建設上個月有很多交通的建設像我們的國道10號沿道六龜這個也感謝交通部已經在進行那另外呢台86線台86線我有請教過局長這一條台86線可不可行那就是說我們 |
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南高屏大生活圈除了我在捷運我在飛機的思考之外我在公路的思考 內門跟台南那另外一邊 潔定湖內跟台南事實上他們很多生活圈都是結合的所以這一條台86線是不是可行是不是也請部長跟我們 |
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內門東高雄這邊來相簽報告一下是 報告委員您剛剛所提到的國道10號延伸這個部分已經確定在做了是的另外台86線連接到內門的這個部分我們目前正在設計規劃當中設計規劃當中意思也就是說準備要做了OK 準備要做了所以這種方向是確定會做的 |
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謝謝所以就是說這個交通的連結事實上也是發展最重要的基礎所以我想對交通部有兩個比較大的希望一個就是茂林國家風險區把它擴大思考跟我們地方觀光局那我們把整個東高雄一起來思考變成溫泉觀光特區那另外一個就是我們在這個交通的配套方面就是說86線之外還有台灣好行 |
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台灣好行目前其實我們交通部做得不錯公路局做得不錯的最好的線應該是台北到九份這一條線其實做得還不錯那我們是不是有機會類似這樣子比照辦理也就是說我把東高雄整個變成一個類似 |
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我去日本泡溫泉觀光那一種很舒服很宜然自得三層樂趣的這種感覺那我在東高雄把它創造出來那當然就是說它的交通也需要來直接連接才會更有機會啦所以包括高鐵台鐵機場有沒有機會類似我們台北到九份這樣子一個觀光好行的路線我們把它規劃得更好 |
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我們請觀光組這邊來研議一下如果這一條線在觀光上面是有潛力的我們當然會努力來朝這個方向來做還有最後一個簡單的就是我簡單講一下韓國觀光公社的案例這個在我們台北我剛去參觀過他們包括很多的講座 抽獎活動 手作體驗 |
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等於就是說他這個坦白講他在在地他們就是一個韓國公關公司的角度在我們台北事實上他就做了很多很多的活動的規劃那我們反觀我去大阪就大阪他有分他有我們自己的協會 |
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那他還負責就是東西兩邊那日本我們有東京跟大阪那韓國有首爾跟釜山那事實上我去觀察這個協會坦白講他的資源不夠啦所以他們那邊沒有辦法像韓國公共公社在我們國內去做那麼多的推廣 |
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那我們的如果說我們在外面的協會能夠多一點點推廣的活動類似這樣子韓國公安公司這樣子一個概念那給多一點資源多一點人力或者是多一點宣傳跟活動那我們能夠去平衡日本到台灣是600萬跟130萬 |
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那還有韓國我們如果去平衡這個人數然後吸引日本韓國甚至其他各國的觀光客到台灣來我想這個觀光署應該再特別思考一下那也希望說交通部可以多予以協助好 在海外的資源我們會來盤點看怎麼樣讓他們增加我們有人員也要有資源才有辦法做事是的好 那拜託好 謝謝 |
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許智傑委員發言完畢先做以下宣告我們等一下在黃建豪委員發言完畢之後休息10分鐘請告知其他相關委員以便他們安排他們自己的行程現在請陳素悅委員發言 |
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謝謝主席 請主席邀請部長請陳部長 |
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委員好 部長早我們看到在1219那天傍晚就是發生的在台北車站跟中山商圈發生的這個恐怖攻擊事件造成就是有人傷亡跟受傷這樣子一個無差別的殺人事件震驚全國當然也讓很多人在擔憂就是說未來在很多人潮多的地方尤其是重要的交通運輸場域 |
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包括台鐵高鐵或者是捷運等等這樣子人潮多的一個地方我們要怎樣去加強安全的維護跟對危機發生的時候的一個因應這個部分是不是部長可以簡單先說一下 |
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跟委員報告這次的事件其實讓我們做了很多的檢討尤其是這個聯合式的場站有兩鐵公共三鐵公共四鐵公共等等的車站我們的橫向聯繫的部分我們必須要再更加強這是一方面二方面我們跟警政單位也密切在聯繫尤其在元旦的假期跟春節的假期人潮多的時候怎麼讓民眾能夠感到安心這個部分我們也會努力來做 |
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那第三個部分是對於人力的部分因為警力也是有限我知道警政署非常努力在盤點他們的人力看怎麼樣協助我們的場戰單位但是我們自己的單位也要再去盤點我們保全的人力像台鐵公司已經有初步在盤點各個場戰的這個保全的人力夠不夠那我們希望能夠更細緻化去滾動檢討各個場戰的人力該怎麼樣配置安全的人力該怎麼樣配置讓民眾能夠更放心 |
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是好這個事件當然就是讓我們可以有更多檢討的一個空間那希望未來當然就是我們要防範於未然希望就是說當然不希望這個事件的發生可是在發生的時候我們要怎樣去讓傷害降到最低那因為這一次我們要很感謝就是這個余家長先生他在第一時間可以說他犧牲了他自己阻止了這個傷害的擴大那也要感謝很多 |
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這個警察在第一時間也都衝向這個危險的一個狀況在不明的狀況之下都衝到第一線去處理那當然就是說我們未來就是說怎樣去落實模擬演練強化這個反應的速度就非常的一個重要 |
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那模擬演練就本席所了解的就是說剛剛部長有提到台鐵部分會檢討他的保全的人力那在平常的一個模擬演練就本席所了解好像都是比較著重在防火防水以及機械故障等等的這樣子的一個狀況對於這種恐怖攻擊的狀況好像還沒有模擬演練過 |
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是 報告委員其實有模擬演練過但是頻率上面確實是比較少我們是針對水災火災等等的一些災害的狀況我們有時常在模擬演練但是對於人為的供給的部分是我們未來必須要加強的 |
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是好那這個部分我們要加強那另外就是說因為對於這個公共的交通場域就是有時候會是涉及到多個單位像我們台北車站就是有台鐵有高鐵也有這個捷運所以就是說對於這個危險狀況發生的時候我們這些單位的一個橫向聯繫怎樣可以更加的一個快速這個部分就是因為我們看到說這次的事件發生的時候好像也凸顯出說 |
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像捷運警察大隊跟台北市的中正一分局他們之間使用的無線電是不同規格的是歐規跟美規的差別是不是這樣子一個差別會造成說在聯繫上會有造成時間上的一個遲緩這部分未來會不會有做一個檢討改進或者整合的部分 |
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報告委員我們自己的那個聯合防災的單位我們各個廠站都會有這個聯合防災的這個計畫那我們的那個單位的聯合的溝通的部分我們正在精進當中正在討論如何能夠更加精進那尤其這次北車的事件讓我們發現說我們的橫向聯繫可能不足 |
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就是向上的這個溝通也不一定足夠所以我們的各個系統軌道系統它的這個行控中心接到訊息的時間點可能有稍微晚了一點點這個我們必須要快速檢討那警政單位的彼此的聯繫那我相信內政部跟警政署目前也針對這個案子所看到的問題正在做檢討我所知道應該內政部警政署已經在做這方面的溝通跟了解了 |
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我想這個應該是很重要因為我們這個就是不管就是軌道運輸的乘客都非常的多那萬一就是說車站發生狀況了我們要怎樣第一時間就是讓這個列車的行駛就是可以有所因應跟反應這個是非常的重要所以對於這個聯繫的不管是橫向或者是縱向的 |
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都非常的一個重要那另外就是說就這個事件我們在這邊要再次感謝這個警察人員的一個辛苦可是也凸顯出說我們這個警察人力的不足就是非常嚴重的不足那我們內政部今天警政署有出席嗎 |
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警政署副署長我們看到整個警察人力編制原額跟實際的人數在新北市跟台北市是缺額蠻多的都高達兩三千人那對於這樣子的一個勤務壓力我們警政署這邊內政部有沒有什麼一個積極的改善 |
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謝謝委員關心我們警力的問題那跟委員這邊報告一下我們大概113年大概派補了1800名的一個警力那114年大概是2800名的警力那明年115年也預計要派補3000名的一個警力 |
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那可是因為每年都有退休了所以退休跟這一個派補警力這邊一定會有相關的一個落差所以這部分我們也內部也在檢討根據各單位的一個缺額跟派補的一個時程我們會再來做詳細的一個精算然後請這個招生單位這邊做招生的一個詳細的做一個規劃 |
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是謝謝是次長謝謝那我們也希望就是說就這個部分我們應該也要積極的去補這個缺額然後因為這個警察勤務確實是蠻繁雜然後壓力也蠻大的那我們希望就是說這個缺額的補足然後也可以 |
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在這個勤務的執行上可以降低他們的壓力也能夠有更多的一個能力來應變這個突發的一個狀況好 謝謝那接下來我想請教一下有關就是觀光署這個部分就是這一次的恐怖攻擊事件對於我們就是國際觀光旅客這個部分有沒有造成影響觀光署副署長 |
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那個國際旅客的部分我們第一時間事實上就對駐外去講我們那部分是單一事件所以希望是營造就是說這部分還是有新鮮來那依這幾天的觀察的部分事實上人數事實上是往上成長的而且比平時是比較多一點點但我想應該是還是多多少少影響但是我們希望有宣傳的部分來吸引更多的客人來台灣 |
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是 因為我們看到這一次的這個攻擊事件像日本韓國的媒體也都非常的關注那我們也不希望說這樣子的一個事件造成了就是國際旅客對台灣 |
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的治安有所疑慮所以我們也希望觀光署這邊應該要加強這個澄清跟宣傳好謝謝那我想最後一個問題想請教一下就是很多通勤組都很關心這個TPAS的這個經費的問題那我們看到就是明年度中央政府總預算至今還沒有付為審查 |
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所以很多通勤組都在關心說這個TPAS的經費會不會斷吹因為我們看到這樣子的一個政策事實上造福很多的通勤組我們看到這個資料應該目前每個月還有近百萬人次常態性的一個使用所以可以說是 |
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降低通勤組交通負擔效果非常的大所以很多通勤組也會因此而擔憂這個政策這個預算如果沒有過是不是會導致這樣子的一個補助就沒了因為我們看到行政院所發布的訊息是說如果這個預算沒過明年3月TPAS補助就斷催 |
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可是在之前我們有看到公路局對外的說明卻說可以正常購買使用我現在想了解一下為什麼不同調造成民眾混淆報告委員我們在115年針對TPAS的部分公路局編列了75.2億的經費 |
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那確實整個TPAS的維持中央的預算是相當的重要我們四年總共編列了363.8億那我們目前為止預算還沒有審議那所以未來如果我們這個TPAS要繼續營運的話只能靠兩個經費一個就是說定期票的這個票收這個部分那另外就是說地方政府的負擔的款項的部分 |
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那靠這兩個部分其實不一定能夠營運下去我必須很坦白講不一定能夠營運下去所以我們公路局已經發函給各個縣市有發行TPAS的縣市先請問他們一下如果我們的錢已經確定1月無法到位的時候他們該怎麼因應那我們希望他們在1月2號之前能夠回復給我們這個因應的模式能夠確定說TPAS受到的影響層面有多大我們目前正在收集跟收容當中 |
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那看得出來我們的預算如果沒有到位我相信這個影響一定會發生是 好 謝謝部長的說明所以為了我們百姓的福祉我在這邊是呼籲藍白的立委要趕快讓我們這個總預算覆為審查好 謝謝好 謝謝委員好 謝謝陳素悅委員發言完畢現在請林俊憲委員發言等一下黃建豪委員發言完畢之後休息十分鐘 |
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感謝主席 本席邀請我們交通部陳部長請陳部長香港局還有民進黨局在嗎民進黨局組密葉局長部長今天中共突然間宣布在台海周邊進行演習在我們的東邊 北邊 西南 東南 |
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6684.064 |
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進行突然的軍事演習 |
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6685.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
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我想請問這樣突然間宣布的軍事演習會不會影響到我們台灣的對外進出的航空以及海運的相關事項來 請你回答一下跟委員報告我們今天早上確實收到這樣的訊息他們的演習總共分五個區塊在台灣的周邊那首先我要代表交通部的立場要表示對中國的這樣子蠻橫無禮的作為表達強烈的譴責跟強烈的抗議 |
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那另外他在我們的周邊做演習必然對於海跟空的航運一定會有影響那目前我們正在透過了解他的這個演習的範圍還有危險的區域我們目前正在盤點當中盤點完之後我們會針對我們的替代航路還有未來的流量管理的部分來做詳細的計畫 |
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我希望大陸要盡快訂出緊急應變措施是 沒錯這個一定會影響到我們的海運還有空運那到底影響的範圍有多大 對不對是那我們必須要或者是說影響到多少旅客或者貨物的進出是 我們今天早上正在盤點這件事情對 那有什麼樣的替代的替代的方式是因為像這樣子突然間蠻橫無理的對台進行軍事演習 |
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以後也可能會這樣發生是我們必須要把這樣子的一個應變的緊急的應對措施我們交通部必須要好好的來處理是 好這不會是最後一次當然 跟委員報告目前我們在找替代的航路那替代航路我們正在討論當中包含海跟空的部分那替代航路找出來之後我們的航路減少了必然它的流量就會受到影響流量的管理的部分我們也正在討論 |
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6805.227 |
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我認為這個其實平時你們就應該有類似這樣的一個準備了是你不要說今天突然間中國一宣布了讓我們趕快再來做什麼我們基本的SOP都有但是我們要看他每一次他演習的區域不同我們來做調整 |
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加拿大不能夠盡快提出相關的應變措施你也應該盡快讓民眾了解到底有多少人或多少貨物多少航線會受到相關的一個影響是 我們的因應的措施會盡快跟我們來報告那我也認為我們政府應該要正式的提出對中國嚴厲的一個抗議是 沒錯那兩位局長來請你們進行就你們相關管轄事務趕快做出一定的一個回應 好嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
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好 那兩位局長就先請回座了那部長今天我們大家再來討論北捷這個不幸的事件我看很多的立委同仁都對表達關心剛剛討論了不外乎是橫向聯繫的問題種種警力不足 大家都討論這些 |
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6876.61 |
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我想請問部長你知不知道在北車有一個聯合防災中心這個我知道 我去過好幾次這個是2019年聯合成立的其實主要是由台鐵在管但是它這個聯合防災中心因為北車太大 太重要所以它管轄的大概有四鐵台鐵 高鐵 北捷還有桃捷 桃園捷運這四個鐵 |
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| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
6902.993 |
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那它管理的包括中山地下街 戰前地下街 K區地下街還有微風廣場就民眾進出人非常多的一個地方聯合防災中心應該是24小時都要有人在裡面而且四個鐵都要派人在裡面我不知道案發的時候防災中心裡面這四鐵有沒有人在現場 |
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| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
6931.309 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
跟委員報告目前的營運的狀態是這樣他們房災中心有人在裡面有人在裡面有人在裡面但是沒有像委員所說的四鐵四接全部派員在裡面目前是沒有按照規定是要的他一定有一定的相關規定我們好 再來你這個你這個房災中心成立以後到現在只進行過一次的實地演習 |
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6933.834 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
6959.233 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
2019年成立 該年的10月23號有實際的演練 維安 還有一個縱火事件然後呢 2020年一整年都沒有演練2021年演練一次2022年 2023年完全兩年都沒有演練了2024年再演練一次所以這五年來只演練三次其中一次實地演練 |
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剩下兩次桌上推演你是在走路還是在打擾我 我不知道用兵推的方式我覺得非常的沒有危機感我認為台灣過去治安太好造成官方沒有危機感其實很多民眾也沒有危機感所以我們在看到那個畫面那個兇手已經拿刀這樣到處跑 |
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6990.282 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
我看經過很多民眾大家看了也沒有警覺這其實都是必須除了一些危機感的宣導以外就民防的演練就靠你們平常要有訓練是你成立一個災防中心要幹嘛五年不給你演練就演練過一次 失地了剩下兩次那個根本敷衍了事什麼叫桌上推演之安 |
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在桌上怎麼推演你有拍影片嗎你有錄音嗎演練什麼你敢公佈嗎 部長你去了解一下好不好 是沒有錯 平常太過鬆懈所以像發生事情不知道要怎麼處理我到防災中心在開檢討會議的時候我也認為說這樣子的演練的次數跟密度確實是不夠那過去我們會比較以這個火災跟 |
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水災等等在做演練那這個也是不對的對於人為的攻擊或者是一些危安的事件應該要多做演練好 那你也掌握到這個重點我再請部長看一下其實這個試鐵就北車它有模擬可能遇到的狀況的一個可能發生率 |
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來 這是各類災害就評估的可能性可能會發生的機率火災67% 地震100%因為台灣會地震嘛它各鐵各地下街都有發生什麼事故的可能發生的比率灰災 跌宕 暴力攻擊公共危險 物品外洩恐怖攻擊 水災 |
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7090.579 |
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7112.716 |
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列車出軌 公共區域異常斷電 還有其他等等寫得很好看就是說你已經預先評估什麼樣的事件發生的機率但是啦 遇到某一個事件發生的機率的處理 SOPR來 我們看一下 你只準備兩個啦一個就是火災跟地震我請部長看一下啦 |
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7138.666 |
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你們的演練SOP只有針對火災跟地震 全都沒有但是你自己寫的 暴力攻擊可能發生率33%這很高吧 對不對 恐怖攻擊也是33%那發生類似這樣的暴力事件 就以北車這次事件來講 |
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你們是沒有列入你們的SOP你的SOP只列兩種一個就火災跟地震 我給你看一下這個是列SOP啦好 再來當事情發生的時候很多民眾還不知道因為北側那麼大 範圍那麼廣它可能有在地面 有可能在地下萬一發生突發狀況 |
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7167.554 |
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7193.921 |
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其實可以運用細胞簡訊你可以叫一般民眾不要再進入我看他今天也很怕人怕你怕你大家不知道發生什麼事情你其實可以用細胞簡訊但是現在可以運用細胞簡訊的沒有包含視帖都沒有了交通部只有氣象組還有公路局 |
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時代在轉變啦 狀況在改變啦我請交通部應該要把你相關的公共運輸也要納入可以發送細胞簡訊的國安系統裡面你知道嗎 |
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7210.1 |
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7236.815 |
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因為我們什麼樣可以發射發射細胞檢訊它其中就有一項除了國家級警報還有一個叫緊急警報適用於民眾可能受到危害的災害你也可以來用細胞檢訊但目前你不能用因為沒有包括可發布的單位沒有包括公共運輸你應該把它納進來細胞檢訊政府你還沒寫對 |
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7239.759 |
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7247.19 |
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這個不用錢這個是本來我們留的一個管道是危難 緊急 災害的時候要用的 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
7247.967 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
7269.018 |
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你這個就不能贏了你就不能贏了趕快把這個漏洞給補起來好不好好 這個我們來來朝這個方向來研究你當時其實是可以通知所有的人大家都不要靠近北車不要進入北車我們當時只有透過廣播系統顯然是不足那我們可以透過這個可以運用的廣告應該多長來使用為什麼你交通部長要看一下為什麼你的公共運輸單位都沒有在細胞簡訊可發佈單位 |
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7289.16 |
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這個我們來討論我們來討論我們來研議請大家針對這次事件我們大家好好地檢討不要再讓下一次的悲劇發生好嗎感謝部長 感謝各位 感謝主席林俊憲委員發言完畢現在請黃建豪委員發言黃委員發言完畢之後休息十分鐘 |
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7298.596 |
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7304.267 |
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好謝謝主席主席我們一樣先請陳思凱部長請陳部長然後請陶基的楊維夫董事長請楊董事長 |
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7311.878 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
7329.066 |
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委員長好部長早董事長好那個一開始當然是要來討論一下我們這個機場效率的問題因為馬上我想近年來國人的出國的比例非常的高那當然過去有推動的所謂出入境行李追蹤者資訊共享的這樣子的驗證案那我要問的是說 |
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7330.666 |
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7345.471 |
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這個驗證案他的目的當然是說讓我們旅客知道說到底我的行李現在在哪裡在什麼階段但實際上我們從這個統計數據看起來從2023年5月到今年3月這個航班到達之後那他的末件行李 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
7346.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
7367.419 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
抵達之後超過一小時才領到的這個班機次數高達8612架次所以其實很多旅客在抱怨說其實我們機場可能在通關在這個弄線上處理得很好因為部長前兩天在上禮拜在第三航廈的時候在致詞說你提到說我們希望這個陶機未來能夠邁向世界第一 |
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那如果要賣向世界第一那當然我就要跟目前這個亞洲最好的這個機場全球最大機場新加坡障礙機場來做比較新加坡障礙機場它的行李處理部分它超過45分鐘之後它就會開始進入檢討的機制所以他們的行李相對來講會比較快速一點但我想了解一下我們淘氣到目前為止像這種行李 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
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7412.336 |
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出入境行李追蹤 資訊共享除了能夠讓旅客知道我的行李在哪之外那它能夠加速嗎或是怎麼樣才能夠讓我們到的行李能夠加速因為其實包含台北陶基也好或台中機場也好有時候行李轉盤或故障等等的其實很多時候不是海關出入境的問題很多時候大家等的都在等那個行李轉盤的問題所以這部分到底要怎麼解決尤其是現在我想整個量能都上來之後我們到底要怎麼面對這個問題 |
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7414.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
7433.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
報告委員您剛剛有提到一個很重要的點就是現在大家通關的速度變很快也就是說你從下飛機之後通關然後走到行李轉盤的時間我先假設假設過去是30分鐘或許現在15分鐘大概就能走到了那這個部分已經做了改善 |
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7433.615 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
7453.34 |
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但是對於行李的部分我們有一定的流程跟機制因為行李的過程當中地勤流程看怎麼改善這個部分我們正在努力目前我所知道淘機在行李運送的部分速度已經加得滿快不過有一些是比較外站的部分可能那個速度要拖進來的速度會比較慢 |
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那這個部分其實是需要車程的需要運送的那這個部分我們再來檢討看機制上還有沒有可以改善的空間不過我所知道在這幾年淘機在國際上面的評比也應該也還算不錯有提升啦但在行李部分還是沒有啦那行李的部分其實也有提升喔也有提升那但是我們就是委員在說的如何讓它更快的部分我們可以來做檢討 |
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7501.918 |
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好 謝謝部長我想這個還是要盡快的去處理這個問題像我剛剛提到了因為部長提到你希望因為這個淘機第三航廈開幕之後你希望說我們台灣的這個淘機能夠躍上這個世界第一的目標這是你報告委員其實在行李運送的這一塊淘機在國際上面的評比也曾經得過第一名曾經不是曾經就去年了 |
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7502.778 |
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7525.511 |
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就去年而已很近有得過第一名也就是說它的速度並沒有慢但是就是我剛剛在講的一個關鍵大家從下飛機到行李轉盤的時間縮短了所以你相對上體感感受上面會覺得變成我在等行李的時間變長了這個部分我們還是在想辦法讓它更有效率我們會來努力好 謝謝接下來其實推動自行車旅遊董事長請回 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
7528.012 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
7550.287 |
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推動自行車旅遊但是國人會收到罰單我想去年部長剛上任的時候有去參加環法挑戰賽在日韓舉辦當然現場裡面很多的車友他要把自行車運過去他基本上是要在自己的車上面加裝自行車的架子但實際上按照我們現行的道交條例 |
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7551.608 |
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7561.881 |
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還是很多29條裡面還是有很多這個車友他在觀光區或他在去騎自行車的時候甚至我們在環法自由車賽當天的是相關的大會運輸車等等的他其實他的車價是違規使用的 |
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所以我們一邊就很奇怪說一邊我們要推動所謂的這個自行車的觀光旅遊但同時我們在相關的法令並沒有跟上很多人會在甚至有些地方警察還會在那個熱門區域等大家把車子載過來然後開始來開罰單所以這樣這個問題我不知道到底交通部整體來講跟觀光署或是你們在這個到交條例有沒有要處理這個問題 |
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7616.109 |
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因為這個腳踏車部分其實很多人在反映他騎過去之後還沒有開始玩就先收到罰單了那我不知道部長對這個事情的看法怎麼樣有沒有機會去做豁免或做什麼樣的調整是 報告員其實我們很鼓勵能夠自行車出遊對那這個載運的部分只要它符合規定的話可以來申請來申請就沒有豁免的問題只要申請我們同意了部長你是說我每次這個自行車有要出門之前 |
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7617.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
7629.883 |
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要去跟誰申請這個可不可以講清楚一點申請的單位是誰跟公路局做申請 每一次嗎還是他是怎麼樣的狀況 報告委員目前聽起來應該是每一次嘛對不對這部 |
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7634.386 |
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7650.503 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
這部分我跟委員報告一下那個車頂置放架的部分基本上或是車後方的置放架的話有分兩種一種是這一個這一個活動式的那另外一種是這一個固定式的那它那個就是說置放腳踏車架那個部分單品必須要經過審驗這一個合格 |
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| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
7677.594 |
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那如果說是屬於活動式的話它只要這一個就是說因為它是屬於這個活動的那只要這個站完之後這個卸下來都沒有問題那如果說是屬於固定就是長期要安裝在車子上面的話這個要辦理這個車輛車身變更的一個這個規定但是大家平常所看到的部分的話大概都是屬於這一個活動式的一個這個部分所以只要單品審驗這個一般裝載大概都沒什麼問題 |
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但你看我們就是以這個收到的澄清案為例它其實就是依據29條它就是載自行車但它高度是會超過你們所謂的285公分是300公分所以它當然就被開罰單 |
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7721.148 |
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小型車要超過300公分代表它自行車可能很高但是這個案例可能它是這個所謂的休旅車 廂型車它的高度本身就將近就是自行這個車體本身就已經將近兩公尺高度然後它如果再駕上自行車那它通常就會超過所謂300公分超過你285公分的問題所以我們今天講的說今天這樣子的車友他要去不管他要去騎日月潭也好他要去哪裡騎也好他把這個自行車放上這個他的車子的時候 |
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7722.128 |
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7746.156 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
他會被適用的29條被開這個罰單那這部分你剛剛說要提出申請或是如果移動是不在這個範圍裡面嗎我跟委員報告一下這個基本上就不是置放價的課題了這個是車輛裝載高度的一個這個課題那委員所提到的這個部分的話我們再來這一個了解一下因為確實如果說車輛本身高度是很高的話 |
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| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
7771.204 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
然後再抓上這個自行車的一個這個高度的話可能會有這樣子的情況這個發生但是我想這個部分的話我們通盤來了解一下國內這些小型車因為從審驗出來它的車高的一個規格那另外一個部分的話在這個腳踏車的這個車高的這個規格我們再來做一個這個分析局長你看一下我們上一頁那個背景圖 |
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7772.603 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
7781.227 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
這個大會收容車的部分它光是這個車型這個服飾的車型它本身就超過兩公尺了你上面再放一個腳踏車它一定超過285公分 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
7782.782 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
7804.778 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
那我就要今天提出來說希望你們去檢討事情說一般你們一邊是去希望推廣自行車的旅遊但同時會讓很多人陷入這個違規的這個陷阱裡面所以這個部分應該要去做一些調整或是做一些另外例外的這個規範而不是說一體適用它是個這個在貨的這個規範裡面不然很多人很容易受到這罰單 |
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7830.654 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
這個部分我大概跟委員再報告一下因為這個車載腳踏車的部分基本上置頂也可以然後放在後面也可以那因為車輛規格本身是有這個差異那另外一個部分的話這個腳踏車的裝載的話也分兩類一種是就是說比較大規模譬如說這個車隊裝載這個腳踏車的部分那另外一個是我們個人自己這個裝載的一個這個相關的一個狀況 |
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7834.736 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
7860.778 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
那所以我想這個車輛本身的規格跟這個腳踏車的規格還有這個放置車輛的一個這個位置商方必須要綜合來做一個這個處理那你們會再檢討嗎還是按照現行規定這個實測的規格我們再來做一個這個看看這個目前車輛的一個實際的規格是這個如何好 謝謝 謝謝委員好 謝謝黃建豪委員發言完畢現在休息十分鐘 |
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8481.872 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
8483.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
好 繼續開會 請要先向委員發言好 謝謝主席 一樣邀請我們陳部長 |
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這個今天這個大家都在關心的公共安全的一個問題尤其是春節廉價的一個疏運那當然我想這警方或是我們的同仁都做相當大的一個準備了這部分我沒有太多的琢磨只是提醒一下有時候恐慌恐慌其實有時候常常會比 |
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事件本身所帶來的危害可能來得更多所以說可能要特別注意一下尤其是我們的可能月台啊無論是我們高鐵或者是台鐵的月台可能我們的駕駛或者是我們月台的保安人員務必要 |
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要注意安全會不會有類似的這個恐慌的情形導致落軌我覺得我在另外提醒的部分好那今天一樣也跟輸運有關我是在討論交通速率這個部分那我想每次連駕我們高速公路總是車多那就會有一些湧射的情況 |
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那之前這個當然我在應該是跟王國材部長的時候有討論過那我那時候是針對他平日的時候那怎麼樣子的把一些貨運用這個科技的一個進步然後把它用自動駕駛的方式到夜間去執行 |
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減低我們尖峰時段的一個運輸的一個需求那一樣的在我們的廉價的部分在我們的國道上面容量就這麼多了那我們的配套措施其實也大概都是無論是我們的分流還是怎麼樣還是公共運輸其實該做的我知道都做了很多那只是我們能不能也是利用科技的一個方式來輔助我們讓我們的整體的高速公路的 |
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運輸的效能把它做提升所以說我會建議我們提出一個想法跟部長討論一下在我們高速公路未來有沒有機會來實施一個叫做自動駕駛的一個車道或是輔助駕駛的一個車道讓它這個車道它應該會是最內側車道 |
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讓他在速率方面藉由機器的控制他能夠維持在法定的最高速限去行駛那同時我相信在這個自動駕駛的情況下他對於人類人體的疲憊的情況或者說可能造成一些事故的情況也都能夠有效的來降低在可能在無論是在廉價的時候或者是品質的時候藉由這樣子的一個措施讓可能至少level 2以上的車輛他都能夠用在 |
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保持最高限速的情況下行駛在最內側上提升我們的整體的車流的一個效率跟委員報告目前台灣還沒有真正進入自動駕駛那目前自動駕駛都還在沙盒實驗的過程那目前台灣大概比較普遍的是level 2那就是輔助駕駛那輔助駕駛的部分其實我們也希望說他對於整體的交通安全有所注意我們期待啦 |
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但實際上我們所看到的數據它在安全上面的防護來說反而造成了蠻多的車禍尤其在內側車道Level 2的這個輔助駕駛過去可能會追撞一些維護車輛這些有些新聞但最近應該都沒有看到那部長你手上撞了不少 |
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但是部長你提的這個可能肇事率的部分我可能有跟您不一樣的看法不知道有沒有幕僚單位有提供過給你就是在人體駕駛的部分的事故率跟擁有輔助駕駛的它的事故率的一個比較就像其實大家都說電動車易燃好像很容易燒起來但是實際上去 |
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去做一些統計會發現因為它是新的東西所以它有媒體曝光的一個效益所以大家以為電動車很會自燃但實際上傳統的油車的自燃率其實是比電動車高很多的一樣的我們的輔助駕駛某幕僚單位給過你一些資料他在這個交通安全發生事故的一些比率上面跟傳統我們自己人體駕駛的這個操控的部分的一個差異 |
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我相信我看過相關的數據其實輔助駕駛的一個事故率是降低非常多的像委員報告我在講的是高速公路上面是 至少我們在高速公路上面看到它的局限性會比較高一點也就是說輔助駕駛它有一個局限性那個局限性就是它的速差有一些是到達40的時候它無法辨識有一些是到達60的時候它無法辨識也就是說高速公路上如果你開的時速是100的時候前面的車發生了事故它停下來是0 |
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那個數差是100他就一定無法辨識但至少在Level 2的情況下我們國家的法規還是規定他必須要是一個輔助的一個功能只是輔助還是人要能夠要注意我們的路況然後維持隨時介入駕駛的一個情況對 沒關係那我們就單純的先來討論Level 2這種情況就好了 |
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那他這種情況他其實是在高速公路上面應該是有辦法去做所謂的效率的提升或者是安全的一個防護等等的我不曉得我們交通部這一定是未來的或是說部長您就算是認為說現在的科技他或許他或許還沒有達到您對於安全上面的一個標準 |
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但是這一定是未來的趨勢包括美國現在都已經在路上很多無人計程車都已經在駕駛了那我相信他們一定對安全方面也有很嚴格的一個要求那我們的高速公路未來有沒有這樣子的一個機會又專用的車道 |
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未來的車輛當它達到一定的比例的時候那來做這樣相關的配套措施的調整報告委員目前台灣的這個輔助駕駛的科技還沒到那個程度但是未來您所說的未來如果它已經到達一個安全的標準而且它的自駕的狀況已經非常的能夠值得信賴的時候我們當然就會朝這個方向下去做討論那目前台灣的狀況還沒有到那個階段不過委員的提醒我覺得很好 |
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因為每一家LV2說真的水準也不一樣啦有的人安全係數可能高有的人剛出來你也不知道他的可靠性穩定性是怎麼樣的但是這已經是已經在一個巨大的齒輪已經開始在轉動了未來已經朝這個方向去走 |
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那我希望說我們未來我們交通部或是高空局也都能夠提早因應這樣子的方式去做一些科技當然是科技的這個專業它有沒有符合我們標準那我們要去想的要去做的是它如果說未來符合我們對安全的一個規範之後那我們怎麼藉由這個科技在我們的高速公路或者是我們的道路系統去給它一個 |
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配套措施的一個調整讓他能夠提升我們的交通運輸的一個量能那回到剛剛講的其實我之前跟王國才部長討論的是夜間的一個就是我們的貨運其實我們這個早上如果在國一台北路段的時候可以看到很多的連結車都在走那我當初想的是我們怎麼樣子可以把這些連結車他 |
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不需要在這個尖峰的時刻把我們的這個道路使用的容量去把它錯開那增加我們的一個服務的一個水準所以我當初又提出了說我希望說我們能夠高速公路機器的引進這個貨運它有自動駕駛的一些功能提倡讓它來做一個分流分時段的一個運行減輕我們交通的運輸的一個壓力那當然這件事情我知道是交通部主管對不對這件事情交通部主管但是 |
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我認為對我們交通部來說減輕交通的一個用車的用車程度是我們交通部的一個目標對不對所以說我們一直以來我們都是一個被動的一個接受者譬如說交通部提出了一個業者的一個沙盒計畫那我們來審核要不要讓他上路我們過去是被動的但是我們身為交通部就是一個維持交通順暢的一個責任那因此反過來我們應該也要去鼓勵業者那怎麼來推動 |
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這樣子的一個措施讓自動駕駛來能夠提升我們高速公路的一個運輸的效能那這部分部長不曉得您的看法是怎麼樣 |
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報告委員如果可以讓交通更安全而且效率可以同時提升的話我們當然應該主動來做這些努力這個部分我們會來努力但是產業端的部分確實由產業的方向下去努力可能不是交通部能夠完全協助的但是態度上委員講得沒有錯態度上我們應該更積極 |
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或是說我們也可以提出一些措施嘛比如說我們的公路的通行費那如果說我們在朝這個方向去走的話我們能不能給他一些解免等等的或者是我們可能因為可能港港因為貨櫃進來一定都是到台北港或基隆港或等等港口嘛那是不是在港口的一個通關上面給他們一些方便等等的一些配套措施去引導業者 |
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去往這個方向去爭取可能經濟部的一個補助爭取經濟化的沙盒計畫然後來降低我們來提升我們交通部的一些相關道路的一個服務的水準我覺得這個應該是我們應該要劃過去被動的一個狀態改為主動的方式來引導業者來做一些技術的創新創新跟副作為來會更積極好不好那再麻煩部長好謝謝謝謝部長謝謝主席 |
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謝謝廖先祥委員發言完畢現在請徐富奎委員發言謝主席有請我們陳部長 請陳部長 公路局林局長 請林福山局長觀光署副署長 請觀光署副署長 |
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很好部長 早 部長我想這個今天的主題是這個針對交通安全跟大眾運輸的一個春節的一個輸運的一個狀況我想進入這個主題之前我想要做這個做好這個交通安全我想也會牽扯到一個預算的問題這個沒錢就沒辦法做事情尤其我們現在 |
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在對整個這個軟硬體的建設還有人力的補足方面我想都需要中央這個立法院這個趕快來審明年的總預算那因為我們目前這個總預算確實在立法院卡關是那所以依預算法第54條的規定如果中央政府的總預算未能在期限完成審議的時候那 |
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9122.3 |
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依51條的規定 那各機關的一個預算執行 收入包含付稅 規費這些強制性的收入 會比照這個去年的標準但新興的預算 新興的計畫就不能推動部長我想剛剛我們在這個螢幕上面 包含我們北回之巔這個旗艦計畫 5.23億還有高頻的東西巷 第二塊數高頻二塊 |
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這個影響到我們通勤組最嚴重的部分高達75.2億這幾個這幾個案子都跟屏東有密切的關係那我想我們也很擔心未來這樣立法院的一個亂象對我們這個總預算沒辦法通過真的會影響到屏東整個重要的交通建設 |
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那交通建設一影響之後 我們整個這個經濟發展 產業發展甚至很多的一些鄉親的一些通行的一個福利我想對我們極不公平那未來針對這樣的狀況 部長有沒有什麼因應的方案 |
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報告委員您所提出來的前面的這三點確實是交通部的一個新興的計畫也就是說一一五年的預算如果沒有審議通過那基本上我們這個預算是不能夠動的不能夠用的那所以當然也一定會有影響那目前我們要怎麼因應大概幾個方向一個是我們當然最希望的是大院能夠趕快審議我們的預算那能夠趕快把民眾真的很在乎的預算能夠趕快通過 |
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那第二我們也預作準備跟通知例如說TPAS的問題我們75.2億受到了影響那我們也已經發函給所有的地方政府有發行TPAS的地方政府來請教地方政府有沒有什麼樣子的因應的作為能不能讓他繼續延續的下去因為我們已經確定我們1月份的預算已經無法提供了這個是確定無法提供的 |
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所以我剛剛在其他委員在質詢的時候我有提出來他們大概現在能夠使用的預算就是定期票的這個票收那另外就是地方政府他的這個負擔的金額地方政府或許能夠來支應但是中央的這個缺口確定是沒有辦法下去的至少在預算通過之前我們是沒有辦法下去的那所以我們請各個地方政府來思考看怎麼樣的因應那只能比較被動的這樣跟委員報告 |
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部長我想我知道這個您也很用心在處理這樣的一個狀況但是我們比較擔心這個因為每個縣市的狀況不一樣這個縣市長思考的點也不是我們可以去左右的那有些縣市長他如果體恤這些通行組他願意跟中央來配合能夠去擴大繼續支持這樣的一個TPAS的政策我們當然樂觀其成那如果碰到不願意配合的縣市政府的時候我們還是要有因應的策略 |
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9311.192 |
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總是不能讓我們的通行處受到影響吧這部分我想我們最不希望就是通行處受到影響但是這個款項的部分我們確實是沒有辦法來來支應在預算還沒通過之前我們沒有辦法來支應所以我們會盡量跟包含業者之內大家來溝通看有沒有什麼樣的方式讓他們可以持續的能夠運作但是這個確實是有一點難度但是我們來努力 |
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部長 在商言商 這些交通業者因為現在這個運量的關係跟乘客的關係所以他們其實很多業者都是屬於一個虧損的一個狀態你現在沒有重要的一個挹注對他們來講他們怎麼願意會再繼續做這樣的虧損的一個處理我想這也是我們優先的一個點 |
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9330.222 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
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那另外觀光署部分當然對我們屏東來講我們的這個微笑難問的計畫包含加洛水也好還有我們這個高速的清水公園這個南北雙興計畫還有港口吊橋的案子我想也很感謝我們中央的一個支持但是因為一樣卡在這樣的預算沒有通過那我們可不可能這部分能不能怎麼樣來先協助屏東縣政府能夠做優先的一個處理這個部分是不是請副組長來回答一下 |
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有關預算的部分我們大概目前這個計畫他的預算分配真正的實際的金額大概也是會偏在下半年所以我們現在期出的部分大概是屬於規劃的階段我們大概如果有相關的栽培作業會以單數的方式會以預算通過為準所以前面上半年的前置作業我想我們也是如火如荼在進行那盡量當然也是盡快可以通過預算我們以便順利的去推動 |
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我想這部分還是要麻煩觀光署多費心這個對屏東的觀光發展是很重要的一個計畫雙行計畫這部分再麻煩觀光署我們一起來努力接著我們請這個台鐵鄭董事長還有警政署的廖副署長請鄭董事長請副署長 |
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我想這個大眾運輸的安全 當然這個我們警力跟我們這個相關的事業單位的配合很重要那根據我們調閱到警政署的資料近3年 112年鐵路警察局的人數112年是778位113年是705位114年也只有706位我想這人力的不足也會影響到整個勤務的編排那當然我想我們也很多次在委員會都有特別提到這個 |
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針對這樣的一個大眾運輸尤其現在台鐵也好高鐵也好這個捷運也好運量非常非常的大那如何這樣針對這樣的一個警力不足的部分副所長我想我們還是要有因應對策什麼時候可以針對這個邊線的部分能夠去補充適當的一個人力 |
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謝謝委員關心這個我們鐵路警察的一個人力的問題我想警政署在統合規劃這個全國各警察機關的一個警力的部分大概113年他全國是派補了1800名那114年就是派補了2600名 |
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那預計明年115年也會派補這個3000名的一個警力那當然這裡面會存在退休人員跟警力派補之間的一個落差那所以我們現在內部也會做一個檢討就針對缺額比像鐵路警察的一個缺額比 |
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還有其他各機關的一個勤務的一個繁重的一個程度我們做全面性的一個檢討然後跟這個招訓單位警專 警大這邊來做通盤性的一個檢討檢討整個招訓的一個源頭謝謝委員關心 |
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我想這個警力不足是長久的問題啦那尤其包含不要說警政署這個中央單位連縣市政府的警察局人都不夠啦所以大家真的勤務很吃緊那我們第一線的同仁也非常的辛苦所以我們還是要替他們請命一下這個撥補的人力跟這個 |
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警專 警大招生的部分真的還是需要全面來檢討能夠加快這個撥補的一個力道謝謝委員關心對 我們都不希望待會發生再想到這樣的一個人力撥補的問題都不會有了所以我想我自己也多次不用要求我們這個像潮州火車站也好 |
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潮州火車站是屏東的一等站那全國排名39的運量我想這個部分我們過去也感謝警政署的支持我們有設了一個分住所但這麼久就沒有人了這個見景率很高的副總我想這部分怎麼來調整這個部分 |
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這個部分潮州火車站部分我們再跟鐵路警察局這邊做他整個警力的運用的調配的部分看是不是要再做一個檢討的部分我們檢討完之後再跟委員做一個回覆 |
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對 我提的不是只有潮州啦 我想包含航空也好 航空警察局也好 包含我們這個鐵路警察局也好 應該都有這樣的一個安 治安的一個人力需求那怎麼樣讓我們的基層同仁因為現在有時候這些 我們這些專業單位的警力的那個員警的年紀也比較大啦這個體力負擔也沒那麼好 所以真的還是必須要心血輪能夠做一個輪替那這部分我想還是需要我們這個到時候內政部我們一起來共同來努力來檢討 謝謝委員 |
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好 謝謝 謝謝委員徐務官委員發言完畢現在請蔡啟昌委員發言謝謝主席 先提一個權宜問題那個外面已經比裡面熱了裡面比較寬 外面比較熱 |
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剛才來19度 現在已經變18.9不知道主席要降到幾度才那個可不可以請議事人員先把那個溫度稍微好 請議事人員立即處理大家排碳要注意一下不要這樣冷氣一直開下去開到這樣一直排碳這對地球非常不好來 謝謝主席英明的指示那請陳部長請陳部長 |
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這個民安局何局長內政部馬次長請馬次長 請政署廖副署長請廖副署長請你們一起上來 這樣節省時間 |
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部長我想上一次因為會議關係沒有邀請您過來所以我有請次長跟局長針對台中星宇航空我們都已經跟他有默契他們也送出申請台中飛東京的航線 |
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那我有請交通部全力來協助所以趁部長今天來是不是全力來協助讓台中可以飛東京這個航線趕快能夠開通是 報告委員在台中的這個航運的需求量其實相當的大大家都希望台中能夠更多的航線跟航點那目前也比疫情之前還更多但是很關鍵的飛東京的這一線目前民航局全力會來協助那新宇航空也相當積極 |
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希望在明年3月能夠飛程那我們目前也在接洽這個東京那邊的地勤地勤單位我們星雲航空要努力但是我也請民航局這邊全力來協助星雲航空來促成明年3月讓台中可以飛東京 |
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我想部長你掌握得很清楚第一個我想數字我都提供了台中的航線基本上都是八成起跳的每班的行李很好飛機跟航點不足那我們也都知道關鍵點在於日方 |
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所以我才會請政府特別是交通部盡力來協助跟方牆加強來溝通第二個就是那個明年華信也多兩台噴射客機所以我也期待有一台可以留在台中部長這個沒問題一台在台中承諾沒問題這個部分我們會跟華信公司講好了他們會留一台在台中那都會賺錢 |
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不是我在這裡因為台中立委很認真在這裡行李很好飛機量不夠而已載客率非常高然後這兩個完成之後部長可能就那個 |
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航廈的一樣嘛行李越來越好就航廈右線的用色跟小所以這個都是計畫一直在進行當中而且我是希望能夠民航局能夠再加速啦對對對 所以這個國際市場很有潛力啦我一直講過很多遍有潛力的地方我們就要趕快的超前部署好 謝謝那接下來我想這個大家國人很關心今天很多委員也在關心我們這個這種隨機的治安的事件 |
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那個我秀一張圖那個市長你曉得這個台北市這個捷運捷運高鐵台鐵共購的地方市長你知道這個台北市警察局的地方分局他負責哪裡就台北市車站這個站體他負責哪裡就是那個站體外的部分周邊 |
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那通道呢 譬如說我要從高鐵走到捷運或者我要從台鐵走到捷運這個通道誰負責通道也是地方轄區那台北市政府的 |
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這個捷運警察隊負責什麼就是捷運的越台車捷運的越台跟捷運進了閘門以後對 進了閘門以後然後還有那個捷運的車體裡面對 車廂那鐵路警察局負責什麼台鐵跟高鐵的也是進了閘門之後對 所以如果我從我要 |
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一個民眾走到台鐵一樓從一樓進來走到門口是地方分局負責如果發生的案子是在門口的話那走進來大廳就改變成這個鐵路警察局負責 |
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那個大廳還是鐵路警察局對門口是地方台北市政府地方分局進來大廳變鐵路警察局然後他想想一想算了不搭這個我就要走我就再往捷運走所以我會先經過通道這時候又回到台北地方台北市政府的地方分局地方分局跟台北市的捷運警察隊 |
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沒有捷運警察隊還沒到因為他還在走在通道那就是地方分局然後走進捷運的閘門就是捷運警察局好我舉這個例子是告訴大家說我相信現場很多除了警政署跟馬次長可能很清楚我想多數人其實不大清楚光一個戰體 |
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就會有這麼多的單位要負責所以你發生的地點在哪裡還大家也要沒有搞清楚還不知道怎麼怎麼處理好那我們以這個日前發生的這個不幸事件在他在這個戰體裡面開始放煙霧彈的時候第一個報警的是誰第一個報警是民眾報到消防局好 |
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那民眾報警他打的是119那接下來119怎麼處理119同步會橫向通報110也會讓轄區的警察知道那由119發動給110這次的事件是這樣那我們現行的規定裡面他可不可以不通報110都要通報任何民眾都要通報 |
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只要是疑似有治安事件都要通報到110市長一個人打電話到110跟他說這裡發現毒蛇而且有民眾被他咬傷他要不要通報110或者說有一個人拿了一條毒蛇如果是被毒蛇咬傷要轉報119對119嘛你們會自動幫民眾轉報嗎會嗎 |
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他那個都是自動的因為那個系統都可以連接不對你們會告訴民眾熱心的警察同仁會說先生你打錯了你應該打119或者我直接幫你通報熱心的直接通報不熱心的會跟你講說你掛掉電話這是110抓蛇是119你應該如果是110對110是這樣沒有錯對嘛是這樣你們不會自動119反過來119反過來會通報119那為什麼110不自動 |
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是嗎 我沒有怪你我現在只是在跟你講說我知道我跟委員報一個數據就是說以台北市來講他一個星期一天裡面大概110大概有3000件通報那119大概有500-600件所以他那個勤務量是不一樣對 勤務量不一樣所以那個勤務繁忙的沒有空幫你轉接勤務比較險的人就告訴你來 我幫你處理好 來如果民眾拿著毒舌 |
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現在他已經不改拿煙霧彈他拿毒蛇在台北捷運站或者是高鐵就把毒蛇通通放出來這個是叫119去抓蛇還是叫110說有自然事件有人在那裡放毒蛇要咬人 |
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鮑委員如果是這種狀況119跟110都應該會接受這樣的一個受理而且如果要處理毒蛇的話還要通報動保的單位對對對所以你看如果我們內部為什麼大家在談包括今天主席第一個質詢我就聽到他在講那個SOP跟演練就是說我們在談強化社會韌性其實他的邏輯要跟過去已經不一樣 |
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因為以前我們在談的是我就告訴你民眾火災就是打119治安事件就打110從小學就開始教育但現在的犯罪形態現在社會所面臨的問題它其實都是多元的你看像美國他不會教你說火災要打什麼什麼要打要打動保團體打農業局要打哪一個這時候是捷運警察什麼他就是911嘛 |
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他簡單明瞭嘛 市長有沒有認真去檢討過 布裡面有認真檢討過把110跟119把它合併就讓民眾不要 民眾都搞不清楚 到底我現在發生這個事情我到底要打哪一個單位到底是還有人會跟他講說 這是你卡去農業局這動物的事情 這個你打去農業 地方政府的農業局 |
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你們有沒有認真檢討過這個事情這個事情其實過去討論過不過一個問題就是說因為我們的系統跟日本很類似日本也是1019很多國家在警察 消防 救護甚至是分三個系統所以當時我們建系統的時候就是兩個系統那如果要把它合成一個系統的話它會變成是一個很大的工程那這部分我們會來討論謝謝委員 |
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我剛剛就是跟你講說我不是說要你要討論而是說我們必須面臨社會我們要強化台灣社會的韌性我們隨機殺人的事件我們面對這個對岸的挑釁像今天動不動對不對完全不給蔣市長面子 |
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這樣的挑釁不斷的重複一直出現所以台灣社會要強化這個韌性我們一方面建構內部的SOP譬如說部長說接下來要強化要把我們的這個交通平台來整合演練很好那內部的SOP我們要先整合為什麼要先整合因為只有把內部的SOP整合好讓民眾 |
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的教育就民眾面對社會可能產生的危險動盪他快速的反應不需要再那麼複雜還要當下去判斷說 |
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這個事情到底要打哪一個會不會我們轉去同仁一忙了就跟他講說你現在在打哪裡我們應該是內部建構好那個我們自己的通報體系這個是屬於政府的事情民眾或許不用不一定要知道這麼多就像我剛剛講民眾不一定要知道這個但他只知道發生危險打一個電話或者做一個動作他就可以馬上把這個問題有一個處置的可能 |
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我的意思說強化社會韌性應該從這個角度來思考所以我才會跟你講說我們應該有一個類似說強化社會韌性不再去區分說什麼報案要找什麼什麼東西要找什麼什麼東西而是說社會一發生緊急危難什麼事情你只要記住一個號碼這個號碼你就打這個電話撥這個號碼就會我們內部的SOP自然就幫你串接這個該給誰自然而然對不對現在科技這麼發達 |
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這個也比以前的成本會降低很多啦所以我們應該善用科技善用我們內部的SOP跟政府內部的整合系統來把社會韌性這個事情做好次長這個可以來研究啦這個非常同意委員的見解 謝謝好 因為時間的關係啦我就沒有辦法再繼續講下去好 那就先謝謝以後有機會再跟你探討 謝謝好 謝謝 蔡吉山委員發言完畢現在請魯明哲委員發言 |
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好謝謝主席有請我們交通部陳部長請陳部長鐵道局楊局長請楊局長我們台鐵公司的這個鄭董事長請鄭董事長我看一起上來好了民航局的何局長還有我們導演機場公司的楊董事長請楊董事長 |
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好 我想第一個問題這個今天排的是包括我們元旦因為元旦只有一天但是事實上在明年度的一個農曆年有整個九天假我們預估會確實有一些公共交通的要一些負擔但是我們先來看 |
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這個從109年到今年我們台鐵公司因為集電工不管是它自己受損或者導致這個電車線受損的一個情況我看每一年都有了109年6次大家一路看到112年9次113年5次結果今年呢今年已經高達11次 |
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高達11次我就請問一下這個鄭董事長因為你到任還是鐵道局你們講這個誰比較清楚到底是怎麼回事這個集電工受損的這個情況有一部分就是因為在操作上那最主要是那個電車電車線拉扯斷掉了那這個集電工就整個就像我們在18號的那個 |
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在桃園那邊的話他就是因為他在這過程裡面受到一些撞擊然後幾天公就受損受損的時候沒有繼續停下來結果就造成了更大的延誤所以有這樣的一個董事長 總經理你們都在這裡我想部長也在這裡大家都非常關心 |
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那如果說連假你發生這樣一個事情的時候它的嚴重程度是非常非常大的影響非常廣泛那我們鐵道局楊局長因為剛剛我們鄭董事長講的事實上是12月5號12月5號所造成的一個影響但我現在列出來兩次因為我發覺12月怎麼這麼多事我特別把12月這兩次12月6號 |
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剛剛講5號是被拉扯到6號這整天你們的電車從內壢站集電工一路把電車線拉壞到桃園站那一天影響非常非常大這個楊局長12月6號這個事情你們釐清沒有是你們把他弄壞了還是他們自己集電工的問題說明一下好不好 |
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報告委員 10月6號是1188次910車主他因為是碳刷片掉落導致從內地到桃園把電車線全部都做了拉扯的動作但是碳刷片掉落的原因現在還在調查當中 |
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現在沒有查出來那今年5月8號汐止縣影響127列車半年之後調查出來是他自己你們鐵道局有在那邊有施工嗎 |
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沒有嗎沒有 我現在講一個問題鄭董事長 又換您了我是覺得有時候我們在公共交通有時候天災時代是很難去預測很難去預測可是如果人產生的問題 |
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我們沒有盡全力把它去改進我12月6號因為這一天大影響從內地開始我們終於接到非常多的電話當然影響的不光是我們桃園鄉親而已全國南來北往都只有單線可以去通行所以影響非常嚴重 |
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我在想說像一年度每一年都發生這麼多次那到底有多少第一個你事前如果不是意外如果不是外力如果不是天災也發生了這麼多事情到底你可不可以事先去做檢查你車子沒事回去的時候例行器你們相關的單位做一個整個體檢要出車的時候做一個相關的一個檢測到底有沒有做到董事長還是總經理來說一下好了 |
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總經理這樣比較直接啦 不用傳話我的意思就是說你們到底檢測的機制完不完備你說一下報委員齁 這個急電工 工網的這個某 偶合的狀況是我們一直在處理那委員的資料裡面其實有包括急電工的問題也有包括是電測線的問題這個先跟委員做一個報告 |
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第二個是我們這一次在EMU3000型在採購新車我們已經有T37 38的車我們會全線每天都在做集電工還有電車線的檢查12月4號是發生什麼事情 |
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12月24前幾天12月24主要是我們接觸線的這個對頭邊結器已經用了14年應該是目前初步了解是金屬的疲勞造成在也有可能受到地震的外力影響讓它有一個外力拉扯它就掉下來 |
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好 我是建議啦不管是鐵道局從監管的立場台鐵公司你們現在已經公式化了你們應該更具彈性對於這種可預測的可預測的甚至已經發生過類似年限出了問題如果你還不去做全面檢修的話我個人是覺得不負責好 那我們請民航局跟謝謝 那剛剛兩位幾位請回座好 請民航局跟這個我們楊董事長 |
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我們來看一下因為明年的農曆春節九天的假那我們看一下過去疫情之後從112年我們年節初入境當時是57萬你們給我們的數據然後到了113年的農曆春節七天 |
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出入境90萬人次然後到了就今年的農曆年已經高達100萬人次我想這個是民航局還是機場公司你們誰來預估還是部長你說一下因為你都沒說話今年的這個春節你們預估大概人次量體會怎麼樣有沒有預估因為現在離春節還有一段時間這個預估大部分是用訂票系統下去做預估那目前預估出境多少 |
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一天大概14到15萬我們前幾天其實已經有到15萬了所以春節看起來目前訂票系統是14到15萬好 如果你的14到15萬你這樣的來回的話那就遠遠超過過去幾年那我們的預備的工作當然我們看到這個北登基三航廈的北登基郎廳8個 |
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Gate出來了這好事情至少你進站之後人的一個擁擠度我認為會疏散會品質會高但是有兩點建議我覺得滿嚴重的那出境會發生什麼事呢因為看起來不是看起來現在所有的要去三航廈現在八Gate全部都要經過二航廈 |
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所以二航廈所有如果它同一時間因為這八個gate增加了有增加班機的一個登機量體增加了是好事可是車怎麼進來我跟你講現在有特定的時間是高速公路高速公路要進去這整個大堵車 |
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大堵車那如果說這些的二三航廈所有人都要擠到二航廈入境停車我就想機場公司要不要說一下你們有沒有什麼方法就還是等待它發生 |
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跟委員報告一下現在三航廈所使用的這個北廊廳事實上並沒有增加運量它是從二航廈加進出那以現況現況的春節輸運系統我們現在目前估計是14到15萬最高到15萬騎那以現有的這個輸運的能量委員很關心我們的計程車的你們是一天嗎一天 吞吐量對 14 路徑出徑14到15萬加起來14到15萬那最高可能到15萬騎好 |
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那你重點是班機只是讓它散開一點你的意思就是說其實班次並沒有增加太多但是你要特別注意因為人數事實上比往年增加所以面臨一個挑戰勢必勢有那你在入境的時候像高速公路裡面包括行警要怎麼樣去配合能夠迅速的在二行駕能夠下車能夠做出境的一個動作那第二個是計程車對於我們所有的旅客在入境了 |
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路徑很多 不管國外的或者國人有些要來接 有些要做我們的小黃我也請教一下這應該是民航局還是機場公司你們誰比較知道因為我們在上一屆機場計程車是600輛 |
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那現在這一屆是671輛可是因為每次到重點的春節或者其他的重點期間你們都有一個支援部隊你們過去600輛編制內又編了600輛的支援部隊是1200輛但是現在你們的計畫是正值編制內671輛 |
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你們支援部隊只有330輛總共量體比以前還少那誰能夠回答一下你們的原因還是很有信心1000台就可以去應付這樣的一個入境潮誰來回答一下是不是先讓我來做一個說明 |
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600台的備援量跟往年的600台事實上它有不是 你現在只有330台對 我說600台加330台現在有這個671加330現在有971過去的600台的備援量事實上是涵蓋在疫情期間所以那段時間的600台事實上是實際上運作是沒有那麼多的數量根據剛剛委員的報告的說明裡面我們也看到過去的600台的數量 |
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用到的量沒有到那麼多你覺得這個備援量夠嗎當然這個還要再靠實際上運作的狀況因為還有一個大眾運輸系統的量我們也在要求要求你們這個備援量車是怎麼選的我是 不管我好奇因為很多人問我671輛 又抽籤五年的車大家折磨了很久一堆人抽不到很難 難度非常高然後突然 |
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有那個隨便 我聽說是隨便朋友來 你來 你來 隨便都可以來有沒有規定幾年車 還是都可以就是叫來支援部門 是你們選還是管委會自己去弄 你說一下 |
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那個現在的話有關於資源我們671輛台車的話其他的資源大概是以桃園地區的為主對 是誰找的 誰找的由志偉他們去協調像新美或是相關的車子不是啦 |
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你確定你們會去研究一下像這種備援部隊你們要不要公開一下需不需要公開還是這樣的一個很私密的我也不見得說一定不好但是你沒有公開完全沒有標準隨便都可以20年車歡迎光臨不是這個怪怪的你知道嗎你這個為什麼不能公開呢就只有過年時間願意來大家來報名我們再來選一遍我的建議是這樣好不好 謝謝好 謝謝魯明哲委員發言完畢 |
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現在請鄭天才委員發言主席有請部長請陳部長 |
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部長好 委員好 首先要謝謝這個交通部還有公路總局針對馬灘溪這個從這個一般的變橋 現在鋼變橋 是 這個確定1月1號通車 向委員報告是1月1號沒有問題好 謝謝這個當然現在這樣的一個鋼變橋會安全多了 安全多 也不會受到這個相關的這些 |
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豪雨就變成會被沖掉 天候的影響相對會小一點 對那後續當然還要繼續做正式的橋對 永久橋 現在的規劃怎麼樣 |
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跟委員報告我們永久橋的部分應該有辦法通一線一線但是雙向一線雙向那在後年我們就會完成兩線都完成這樣子永久橋永久橋的部分到明年是單線明年單線雙向到後年我們希望整條橋都把它完成也就是說雙線都完成後年所以他這個上次你們有做說明是一種 |
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那個比較橋墩比較少的對這是在在溪中的話就是落這個六墩然後用這個就是門型這個橋墩的方式來做處理好就是繼續努力是那另外就是說這個 |
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我也諮詢過幾次了這個台11線港口部落外環道這個部分這個我在111年就開始諮詢你們有時候在進行按照你們的期程這個114年12月底前完成上網公告招標這個 |
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台11線港口部落外環道綜合規劃委託服務工作的委外發報作業有發報了嗎 |
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跟委員報告我知道說這個事情有在這個處理那原來是預計這個就是說在月底之前完成這個公告上網的部分現在應該是在準備要公告上網這個繼續努力因為這個已經也蠻長的時間對一個部落來講 |
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對一般的交通來講都是一個非常不方便影響部落的安全所以這個部分繼續努力另外就是說台鐵漁花東路段鐵路設施安全改善計畫這個部分是去年0403的地震所造成的尤其是從人 |
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核能到崇德這個路段這個部分之前你們也答覆本席特別提到這是另外一個這個部分 |
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已經在12月9號國發會已經報行政院國發會原則同意了已經報行政院合定了嗎目前還沒合定我們隨時在追蹤進度要追蹤進度最主要就是要說明要跟業務處交通什麼處 |
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交還處我們積極來跟他們做說明讓他們了解因為他們不見得那麼清楚這個需要性而且是安全性最主要是安全性因為前幾天又地震我們就很擔心每一次地震 |
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這會不僅僅是鐵路也會影響到跟公路鐵路的時候都會影響所以這個部分是這個尤其是花蓮台東尤其是花東宜蘭這帶地震就是比較非常多還好這次這個在 |
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宜蘭的外海這次地震在宜蘭的外海如果是在比較靠近內陸的話這恐怕又會受到很大的影響然後這個這個行進之中那時候的一個時間也是一個還不是深夜嘛那時候鐵路他還在還在在通行之中所以這次的地震 |
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你們從那個台東那邊蠻長的路段也是停駛停駛蠻長的時間了所以這個部分安全涉及到這個行人的安全所以這個部分請這個一定要跟行政院這邊都溝通盡快的核定好不好另外最後這個花東地區鐵路雙軌電氣化的計畫花蓮站 |
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資本站當歸改為松崎總共112.6公里行政院在110年4月8日就核定了當然你們的理由是說因為延誤料 漲價所以要展現這個期程 |
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到120年12月真的是展延太久了從過去原來的到117年等於是增加了三年請問一下這個核定了沒報告委目前行政院還沒核定還沒有還沒核定這個一樣要多溝通好好不好好謝謝好謝謝委員謝謝鄭天才委員發言完畢 |
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現在請鍾嘉斌委員 鍾嘉斌委員 鍾嘉斌委員不在現在請王美惠委員 王美惠委員 王美惠委員不在現在請李博義委員發言 |
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謝謝 有請江部長跟內政部次長 警政署副署長請陳部長 請馬次長 請廖副署長很好 謝謝 |
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部長你知不知道這個台北車站它分成警政署分成幾個單位在執行這些安全的任務警政署剛剛看起來是三個單位三個單位部長你先稍等請次長你回應一下有沒有要做這些相關的討論因為事情發生的時候大家都在想 |
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我相信你們所有單位包含台北市政府捷運警察局包含鐵道警察局都在想哇這發生的地方在哪裡那這些報案的頻道有沒有互通那有沒有所有包含鐵路警察包含台北市政府捷運警察局甚至這個站外的這些分局有沒有同時接到這些報案的訊息這是不是要副署長回應還是次長來回應 |
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謝謝委員那基本上因為在捷運警察隊跟台北市政府的一個中正一分局他們的頻道因為捷運警察隊他是用那個捷運公司的所以兩個無線電的一個頻道系統是系統是不一樣所以這裡面我們後來發現這樣的一個系統不一樣的部分現在是用一個頻道來借接的方式那你剛剛沒有講到鐵路警察局有沒有 |
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鐵路警察局它現在鐵路警察局是用我們現在新式的無線電的一個新式的一個頻道 |
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所以三組頻道系統這個請警政署回去研議一下就台北車站的部分因為我們現在有中長城的計畫會做一個整合好 那也要求我們在元旦跟春節連假期間讓警政署加強對於這些活動重點熱點區域來做這些維安的布置好 謝謝來 有請高鐵董事長跟鐵道局長 |
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我先感謝交通部陳部長在我在交通委員會質詢的時候我們對於這個高雄左營車站的月台沒有辦法直接下高雄捷運這個我們提出的爭取那部長也很快的指示包含高鐵公司已經開始做從 |
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今年1月開始委託顧問公司做這些基本的設計我想請問我們一直希望今年今天已經12月29那 |
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還沒有辦法動工非常我也知道現在相關的這些工作都已經在進行中有沒有遇到什麼困難這個要局長還是這個董事長董事長自己說要回應來請石董事長好謝謝主席謝謝委員我們也坦誠跟委員報告了我們事實上在做積極的準備事實上在準備發報當中不過我們在做最後的協調階段的原因是因為這個工程剛好跟我們現在這個 |
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月台門的裝飾以及這個我們新車導入剛好算是一個重複的時間簡單講我們每天有點複雜我們每天能夠施工的時間我們每天能夠施工的時間只剩夜間的四個小時 |
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所以我們在選商的過程我們事實上要特別考慮到廠商的施作的意願跟能力所以這個部分再給我們一點時間一天只有4個小時可以施作所以如果依原本的工程一天可以做8到10個小時的話等於這個工程我們原本預想是一年它可能會乘以2.5的意思甚至可能不止所以我想這個部分也跟委員坦承這個確實是一個困難度 |
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算是相當高的一個工程董事長那我再請教細一點的問題有三個月台那這三個月台會分批的來完工還是會同步的來完工不會同步進行 |
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不會同步進行就是有一個樂台他可能會提早完工可能會先完工然後接下來另外兩個樂台你如果運氣不好坐到另外兩個樂台的車下車之後繞十分鐘再到高捷還是不會這樣子啦但是事實上是需要分批人流來進行沒有 確實是會發生啊但是要三個樂台都完工才能夠連通啦 |
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三個月才都完工你可以下面先做這個細部的部分我們希望再找時間跟董事長這邊來做一個討論所以我們在最後階段還要再做一些協調的工作我們的想像其實就是說你下面也是要做先做起來另外兩個月台的通道還沒有好沒關係先不用開但是我們一個月台好了就可以先嘗試可以先讓乘客來使用使用之後就發現這麼好的事情怎麼現在才做 |
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你看我今天運氣好做到這個A月台我馬上下去就到高雄捷運了另外兩個月台你再繞一下沒關係我想我們在最後再做最薄細部的這個協調只是說這個因為正是在一個營運當中的這個車站來施作確實是有一些挑戰 |
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我們願意等待也體會也理解這個施工的困難那確實在當初設計的時候就應該要放進來我們穿著衣服改衣服在面對這麼複雜的工程包含月台門包含這個車輛的採買等等的我們願意體諒也理解而且必須要多花很多費用這我們也理解那也感謝高鐵公司跟交通部的支持讓 |
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高雄的旅客坐到高雄的時候可以直接使用到這個月台謝謝謝謝謝謝董事長謝謝部長謝謝李博義委員發言完畢現在請邱若驊委員發言謝謝主席主席請交通部陳部長請陳部長 |
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委員好 部長好因為部長行程和時間的關係我們就直接聚焦在這一次的專題安全防護 安全維護那現在很多民眾他們其實就是一個問題出門搭車進站還有帶家人出遊嘛會不會有事那現在搭乘搭這種交通工具到底安不安全如何自保人就是自身的安全那先和部長討論我們先看到列車車廂台鐵高鐵還有捷運一旦開動之後就是一個短時間內走不了的密閉空間 |
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那如果車廂內發生狀況警察往往都在越台車站那第一時間在現場的不是警察是列車長還有隨車的保全那現在多半都只有對講機通報沒有問題但在警察到達之前那這段時間怎麼辦那我們在看到新北捷運他有盾甲包那台北捷運他在詢問處也有放防護圓盾那現在在列車上面列車長還有隨車的保全他們可以怎麼辦 |
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報告委員我們其實各個軌道系統就交通部所管轄的其實他們也都有一些設備跟設施跟保全之間的配合那像我剛剛所說過的高鐵系統其實他們在廠站裡面該設置的配備其實都有那車上的保全其實也有一定的配備那台鐵的部分也正在盤點我們有些站有有些站沒有那目前我們在看哪些站應該要提供這樣子的這個配備目前正在討論也希望能夠加強 |
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是那就是針對這個裝備那我們是不是可以至少先隨車就是配發防割手套或是可以用的基本的基本的裝備呢就是至少在事件發生後不會讓他們去徒手去對抗歹徒我們也不是要就是希望他們 |
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至少不要讓他們完全空手是委員這個建議很好我覺得像高鐵是有保全保全當然就會操作這個面向的工具但是台鐵可能我們車上不一定有保全那不一定有保全的狀況底下是不是可以設置這樣子的設備跟配備讓我們的這個整個車上的工作人員工作同仁他可以有一定的配備可以自我防護我也給部長建議我們來看到日本鐵路公司他有明文規定就是裝備不是警察專屬的 |
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那大多數的大站還有長途的列車那他們也會配置防刺盾牌還有床櫃還有護具那放在就是破壞即開的櫃中那他們原則很簡單就是當然希望這些裝備都用不上嘛那當用得到的時候他們希望這些裝備是有在列車上面的那這邊也給部長建議我們再來進行研議這個我們來研議一下哪些廠站或者是哪些列車上應該要配備我們來思考 |
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OK好那接下來我們看到車站那大型車站人亦多那真的可怕的是那除了事件本身之外那還有恐慌推擠踩踏那這邊請教部長那現在車站有這些監視還有分析的系統嗎那是不是真的能夠看出異常的人流還有遺留物還是那個設備就只是在那邊那近期發生的事件我們有沒有去檢視這些智慧影像的系統分析它真正能夠發揮作用 |
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向委員報告目前大概就是監視系統有辦法看到影像但是能不能導入AI對於異常的動作或異常的人流或異常的行為有沒有可能能夠辨識的出來辨識的出來就可以做緊急快速的應變那如果辨識不出來因為它的CCTV其實相當多像以北車整個大北車來說的話大概有將近2000個CCTV那不太可能用人力去看所以這個AI的建置是我們目前需要想辦法趕快 |
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現在有CCTV可以看到現場嗎那如果車站真的進行需要進行這個管控人流的時候第一時間是站方決定還是警察做決定是誰能夠下令說這個車站只能出不進這個應該是站方要先做決定第一時間應該是站方自己要先做決定站方自己做決定那接下來想請問部長就是有關演練的部分那這些這一次發生的事件之後嘛那演練北捷有進行演練那接下來還有哪些地方會進行演練 |
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跟委員報告我們大北車的部分我們在一月底之前我們會做演練這次發生事情我們因為大北車的區域我們有四鐵四接再加上一個微風所以有九個機構在同一個地方那我們在明年的一月底之前我們會做一次的演練那其實我們每一年都固定有在演練不管是台鐵也好高鐵也好或者是各個軌道系統其實都在做演練 |
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那過去我們是比較針對火災或者是地震或者是水災等等做的演練相對是多一些那對於人為的供給的部分是未來我們要加強的重點這個部分我們也會請鐵道局這邊來要求也是監督各個軌道系統都要來做那另外除了軌道以外我們所有的交通場站都應該要做這方面的演練 |
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12206.125 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
那我這邊先請問就是高鐵台鐵然後這些演練這些流程有沒有實施接下來會不會納入說民眾會恐慌的情境因為我們都是根據過去的SOP那剛剛部長也有提到過去都是像水災還是火災那 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].start |
12207.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
12221.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
希望接下來的演練不只是形式上的演練而已而是真的是去測試說當演練也要納入說廣播會清不清楚然後還有動線會不會打結人會不會亂跑像這些都要加入我們接下來的演練那有沒有實際的就是具體的計畫呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].start |
12222.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
12245.625 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].text |
報告委員我們剛剛講了明年的一月底之前台北會演練那明年的年中中間的中我們在台中跟高雄左營站也都會做類似的演練那您在所擔憂的這一點是我們也必須要演練的就是說如果人潮發生了恐慌的狀態大家會不會有擁擠的這個現象這個部分當然也都要列入整個演練的這個細節當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].start |
12247.355 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
12271.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].text |
是那今天就是和部長就是討論的就是密閉的車廂還有車站的軟目標還有群眾的踩踏就是演練希望避免這些情形發生那這些都是國際反恐還有公共安全的分類標準那這邊也跟部長就是就是提出一個建議在英國他是反恐最成熟的系統之一那他們有一個核心的概念就是soft target protection就是我講到這個軟目標那他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].start |
12272.176 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].end |
12291.743 |
| transcript.whisperx[443].text |
很明確的分就是說發現者還有初步控制者還有武力的介入就是警察的部分那我們就是優先希望可以做到群眾的管理然後因為他們非常的清楚那事件發生往往都是民眾恐慌然後造成現場非常混亂所以他們的SOP是先穩定人流然後再來處理危險 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].start |
12292.543 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].end |
12320.521 |
| transcript.whisperx[444].text |
那這邊也希望就是我們交通部台鐵還有高鐵然後各個就是重要的交通樞紐的站體之外都要做到都要具備這些條件好這個部分列入我們到時候的參考是那這邊也要跟部長說臺灣現在的差異是我們有SOP也有演練那第一分鐘第一時間的授權是模糊的那部長所以確定是車站或是車廂上面的工作人員是可以來做決定的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
12321.101 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
12344.959 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
是 報告委員其實我們本來就有一個SOP在整個指揮系統該怎麼樣誰來下達指令這個都有SOP在那只要我們的通報系統是通暢的而且是有運作的話我們的這個判斷的系統不會有問題那不過針對這件事我們明天還是會在另外再召開一次的會議來做檢討我們希望能夠做得更安全然後讓民眾感覺到更有保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].start |
12345.544 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].end |
12352.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
那也希望這個SOP是可以再根據經驗還有事件發生之後再加入然後避免這個SOP太過於僵化是 當然好 謝謝部長謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].start |
12356.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
12378.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
好 謝謝邱若驊委員發言完畢現在請游浩委員游浩委員游浩委員不在現在請徐欣穎委員徐欣穎委員徐欣穎委員不在登記諮詢委員發言均已完畢做以下決定報告及詢問完畢委員何清淳王美惠游浩徐欣穎 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
12379.017 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
12393.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
所提書面質詢列入記錄並刊登公報委員於質詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答覆部分請交通部及相關機關盡速以書面答覆 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
12398.428 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
12419.357 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
針對討論事項發展大眾運輸條例修正草案等兩案作以下決議均另定期繼續審查專案報告及審查發展大眾運輸條例之相關機關可先行離席現在休息五分鐘之後繼續開會 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
12428.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].end |
12434.656 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
我都沒意見,沒人敢問,我現在就開始了,沒時間了,我先講完。 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
12454.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].end |
12476.544 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
噗噗噗 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
12479.701 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].end |
12503.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
響鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
12528.758 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].end |
12533.2 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
可以摘到1.5吋這應該不是在裏面不會太低你只要2.5吋對,2.5吋 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
12539.497 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
12568.763 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
響鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
12570.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
12572.627 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
12591.376 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
12595.498 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
好好好 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
12611.337 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
12632.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
要三個才能審三個才能審一下有夠了嗎有 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
12643.265 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
12644.406 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
有遇到他 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
12665.623 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
12671.571 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
12696.823 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
12703.699 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
好我們接著要進行三港法修正草案之主條審查請宣讀條文宣讀完進行協商處理來宣讀條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
12704.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
12705.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
好 我們現在要進行主條的 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].start |
12735.032 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
12750.521 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
條文經理宣讀完畢我們現在就匯整支條文對照表來進行協商的處理我們先處理第二條第二條是委員羅美玲等18人提案來各位委員有沒有意見來請 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].start |
12754.028 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
12769.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
相關單位來做說明是 包括周委 包括委員會各位委員那有關羅美玲等委員18位委員提案修正香港法第二條明訂本法主管機關委交通部這個部分呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
12769.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
12789.293 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
依據最新通過的修正通過的行政院組織法以及交通部組織法本部機關名稱已經確定為交通部因此針對羅委員等提案等委員的提案內容本部竟表贊同以上報告好那本案就照委員提案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
12790.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
12815.569 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
我們現在進行第53條是委員林黛華等18人提案修正在座委員有沒有意見請相關單位說明是 報告召委 報告各位委員有關林黛華委員等12位委員提案修正三港法第53條第一項關於船舶發生海難擱淺時船長及船舶所有人未依航港局要求的期限完成船位移除 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].start |
12817.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
12842.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
新增借其為改善者得按日連續處罰這個相關的條文呢有助於航港局要求傳播所有人積極處理這個處置海事的事故的傳貨那但考量呢這個海事案件的實務處理狀況跟個案的情節可能有所差異那建議是不是能夠保留航港局對不同個案的一個裁量空間 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
12843.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
12858.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
因此建議在本條第一項的末段增加示情節三個文字也就是說末段建議修正為藉其未改善者得示情節按日連續處罰 以上報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
12861.297 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
12883.085 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
那這個部分相關意見也跟提案林委員都有辦公室都有報告也獲得委員的同意補充報告 葉局長你有跟提案委員有進行溝通他也同意在做修正通過那我們第53條就按照修正來做通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
12888.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
12897.893 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
好 協商處理完畢 做以下宣告本日主條審查之協商結論免於宣讀授權議事人員整理作為決議的內容 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
12901.449 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
12921.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
針對討論事項二 三綱法修正草案等兩案做以下決議併案審查完畢 凝聚審查報告 提報院會討論院會討論前不需交由黨團協商院會討論時由李昭維 崑哲做補充說明本次會議結束 散會 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].start |
12939.668 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
12940.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
請客二人靠前 |