| IVOD_ID |
171555 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/171555 |
| 日期 |
2026-10-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-6-35-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第6會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
6 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第6會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-10-22T10:31:05+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-10-22T10:46:42+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/9f0219c4ec2537e6f1c72b4b23cad33127917fd04753b2840da12af8eb8a9ca726c4e24d5983e9f25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王定宇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:31:05 - 10:46:42 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-10-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第6會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議【含秘密會議】（事由：邀請國家安全局局長蔡明彥率相關情報機關首長提出「國家情報工作暨國家安全局業務報告」，並備質詢。） |
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主席 麻煩國安局長 |
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4 |
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好 局長請 |
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好 委員早 |
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局長早 |
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你們在今年二月份成立了一個九合一選舉安危專案嘛 |
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對 |
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那這個專案大概是針對我們的選舉當中的安全啦 暴力介入啦 中國競選等等的樣子 |
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那我請問一下目前有沒有掌握哪一些具體的證照 |
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有 早上媒體也在問這個問題 |
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在第一部分大概就是非法資金的借選 |
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有 不明的地下金流 |
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對 地下金流資助特定的團體或個人 |
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那第二部分是 |
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這一個 解體我再問仔細一點 |
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所以有掌握具體的事證 |
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有 有 有 |
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那因為這牽涉到選舉即將舉行嘛 |
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是 是 是 |
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那一般你們在Cooking 你們在辦一個案子通常是希望放長線釣大魚嗎 |
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沒有沒有 我早上有跟媒體在講 |
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我們會盡量敢在選舉前 |
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56 |
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要在選舉前挖掘他才對 |
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就這個樣態我要提醒就是說 |
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這種地下金流的介入要在選舉前遏止 |
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否則他效果就達成了 |
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所以這個今年嚴不嚴重 |
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有案例 有不少案例出來 |
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71 |
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72 |
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有不少案例 |
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73 |
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對 有不少案例 |
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73 |
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所以這一個是希望在選前能夠有一個結果來產生嚇阻的效用 |
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79 |
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80 |
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那暴力的部分呢 |
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81 |
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85 |
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暴力的部分目前還沒有明顯的發生 |
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85 |
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89 |
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但也是我們在專案裡面希望警方可以特別注意的 |
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89 |
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92 |
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因為今年有不少的是有黑道背景的人士參選 |
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92 |
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97 |
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對 這一次具備紅統或者黑道背景參選 |
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97 |
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98 |
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還有家人家人 |
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98 |
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100 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
這兩個背景重疊的也有 |
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100 |
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101 |
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有 有 |
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101 |
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106 |
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然後甚至於有的被認定依法認定不符合這個候選人資格的 |
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106 |
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108 |
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也有做了一些揚言 |
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108 |
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110 |
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那當然那個是以扣持 |
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110 |
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113 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
言詞上的恐嚇還是行動這個是相關單據查好了 |
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113 |
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114 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
對 我們再注意 |
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114 |
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120 |
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但你們現在有沒有升高對於特定人或者特定場域的維安 |
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120 |
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124 |
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有 就國安局的維安來講 |
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124 |
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129 |
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當然主要依照特勤條例是針對總統 副總統 家人還有總統候選人 |
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129 |
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130 |
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對 我現在講的不是特勤這一塊 |
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130 |
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132 |
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但是我原講是關切九合一的話 |
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132 |
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134 |
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那這一塊不是國安局的夜館 |
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134 |
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136 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
但是從國安的角度 |
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136 |
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138 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
那我也跟警政署長有過一些討論 |
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138 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
140 |
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必須要加強一些維安的部署 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
140 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
142 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
這部分是從國安的角度來維持選舉安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
142 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
144 |
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我不問個別個案 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
144 |
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147 |
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目前警政署對於九合一大選 |
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147 |
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150 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
當然中國屆選什麼國安局情報掌握那是一件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
150 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
155 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
對於暴力的介入或者對特定場域 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
155 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
157 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
特定團體或特定人 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
157 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
162 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
有沒有哪一些個案這個維安把它提升的 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
162 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
164 |
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好 包委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
164 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
168 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
九合一的選舉所有候選人的安危 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
168 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
171 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
都是我們保護的對象 這個普遍的 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
171 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
174 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
那對於這一些競爭比較激烈 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
174 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
177 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
或者是社會比較關注 |
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177 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
180 |
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那也比較特定的這些對象 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
180 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
183 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
我們是有加強安危的措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
183 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
184 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
就增派隨扈 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
184 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
186 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
不只增派隨扈 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
186 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
189 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
就是說各種安危安心維護的措施 |
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189 |
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191 |
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有沒有在做一些勤資的掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
191 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
193 |
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也是有去做 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
193 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
197 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
勤資的掌握當然是我們國安團隊都會去做整合 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
197 |
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199 |
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那至於他個人的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
199 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
203 |
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我們甚至會提供這個防彈衣 |
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203 |
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205 |
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你們會要求還是提供 |
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205 |
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207 |
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要求 一定是要求 |
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207 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
209 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
而且看他同不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
209 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
211 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
那要求穿上去 |
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211 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
213 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
穿的人被笑說是台灣治安不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
213 |
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214 |
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你不會這樣認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
214 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
216 |
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那個是穿在裡面是沒有知識的講法 |
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216 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
218 |
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是不會看不到防彈衣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
218 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
222 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
所以我們會提供他必要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
222 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
225 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
這一些的強化的維安的人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
225 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
227 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
或者是這一些裝備 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
227 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
231 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
署長目前為止你們有要求候選人穿上防彈衣的 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
231 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
232 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
如果說 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
232 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
233 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
我不用個別名字 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
233 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
234 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
我說有多幾件 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
234 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
237 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
如果說是我們是有要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
237 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
239 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
目前的數量是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
239 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
240 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
各位數兩位數 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
240 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
241 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
各位數 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
241 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
242 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
各位數 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
242 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
243 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
各位數 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
243 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
244 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
244 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
245 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
五個以上還五個以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
245 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
246 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
246 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
247 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
五個以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
247 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
249 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
所以包委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
249 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
250 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
我也知道您想要問的 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
250 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
253 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
所以說對於這一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
253 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
254 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
254 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
256 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
這個都是我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
256 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
257 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
整個所有的預判 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
257 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
258 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
因為所有 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
258 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
261 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
不管是任何一個候選人的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
261 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
262 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
不是 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
262 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
264 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
因為你會要求他穿上去 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
264 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
266 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
當然會有預判跟預防 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
266 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
267 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
這個我是支持的 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
267 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
270 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
那預判跟預防要來自於部分的情資 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
270 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
272 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
或者是局勢事果 |
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272 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
274 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
尤其是針對 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
274 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
275 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
對 |
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275 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
277 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
暴露在外面公開的場合 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
277 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
278 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
不管是在大型的 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
278 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
280 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
或者是在掃街的 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
280 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
282 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
或者是這一些長時間的 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
282 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
284 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
這些暴露在外面的時間 |
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284 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
287 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
我們對於這樣的安慰 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
287 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
289 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
這一題我先問最後一個問題就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
289 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
292 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
目前有沒有針對特定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
292 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
293 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
場域特定的人 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
293 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
295 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
要求類似掃街造勢活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
295 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
296 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
希望他 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
296 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
297 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
維安身高 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
297 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
299 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
降低人數 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
299 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
300 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
或者要 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
300 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
302 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
以前要做一些保護的措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
302 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
303 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
目前有沒有到那個程度 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
303 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
305 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
我們的保護措施是 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
305 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
307 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
我的維安是有提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
307 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
308 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
維安的這個措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
308 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
310 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
如果說是 |
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310 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
311 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
是 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
311 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
312 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
是這個場 |
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312 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
315 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
那個場合是比較大人數多的話 |
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315 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
317 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
我們是有提高這個維安的這個措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
317 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
318 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
但是沒有要求說 |
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318 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
320 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
因為以前我們曾經遇過造勢場合 |
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320 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
323 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
會勸那個對象說有情資出現 |
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323 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
325 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
希望你不要握手啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
325 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
327 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
希望你不要走大進場啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
327 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
329 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
如果說如果有正確的情資的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
329 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
332 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
如果說有正確的這個情資 |
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332 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
335 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
當然也會去做這樣的提供跟協調 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
335 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
336 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
目前還沒有啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
336 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
337 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
目前還沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
337 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
339 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
那當然都是要候選人的 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
339 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
341 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
這個整個要尊重候選人的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
341 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
342 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
因為署長在台上 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
342 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
343 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
我不要用你上上下下啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
343 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
345 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
我一併問局長 |
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345 |
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因為我後面有的要跟這有關 |
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347 |
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349 |
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我們發現包含高金素梅 |
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352 |
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同案的重要被告張俊傑的逃亡路線 |
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你們抓了很多個 |
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353 |
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十多個了啦 |
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354 |
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355 |
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35個 |
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355 |
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35個 |
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35個到案12個機 |
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OK |
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359 |
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所以那是很嚴重的 |
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360 |
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等於有一個網絡 |
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360 |
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362 |
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一個network在幫助他逃亡 |
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362 |
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364 |
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他涉犯的是共諜案耶 |
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364 |
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365 |
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國安法 |
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365 |
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369 |
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然後幫他的我看都很多是黑幫的背景 |
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369 |
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371 |
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然後呢我們現在待會我要跟你請教 |
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371 |
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373 |
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跨境鎮壓的部分 |
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373 |
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376 |
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在執行的也有黑幫的背景 |
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376 |
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379 |
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特別是黑幫在中國有利益的或特定人士 |
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379 |
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384 |
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兩位我們要不要進行相關的掃黑的動作 |
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384 |
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385 |
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有 |
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385 |
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386 |
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我跟委員說明一下 |
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386 |
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388 |
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大概委員講的沒有錯啦 |
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388 |
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391 |
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現在跨境鎮壓主要都是黑道幫派 |
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391 |
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394 |
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或是跟黑道幫派有關的徵信社 |
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394 |
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397 |
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那就這部分我們都掌握特定的幫派名單 |
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397 |
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399 |
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那我跟署長也都有討論過啦 |
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399 |
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402 |
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我們近期會針對這些特定幫派進行掃大 |
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402 |
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404 |
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不是你這樣講最好是待會就抓 |
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404 |
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405 |
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否則跑光光了 |
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405 |
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406 |
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不會不會 |
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406 |
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408 |
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我們要抓也要具體的事證 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
408 |
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409 |
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掃黑 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
409 |
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410 |
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我們不是要抓 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
410 |
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412 |
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我們是在進行告知跟賀主 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
412 |
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414 |
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一種是抓特定的通緝犯啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
414 |
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415 |
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對那是另外一件事 |
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415 |
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417 |
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一種是對黑幫進行全面的壓制嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
417 |
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418 |
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對啊 |
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418 |
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421 |
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你黑道再怎麼弄你不能壓過白道嘛 |
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421 |
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422 |
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那這一些東西 |
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422 |
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425 |
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有個風吹草動今天機票就很難訂了你知道嗎 |
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426 |
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429 |
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所以我當然我在這邊沒有要求你講什麼時候行動 |
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429 |
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431 |
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但現在黑幫 |
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431 |
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433 |
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黑幫本來從事違法的行動 |
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433 |
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434 |
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本來違法就該抓 |
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434 |
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436 |
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可是更惡劣的是 |
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436 |
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439 |
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黑幫在出賣國家利益 |
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439 |
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441 |
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配合中國的動作 |
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441 |
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443 |
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在進行對國家的顛覆 |
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443 |
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445 |
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換身分證啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
445 |
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448 |
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幫助共諜案的被告逃亡等等 |
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448 |
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450 |
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甚至於發展組織等等 |
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451 |
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453 |
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這樣子的黑幫最無可設 |
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453 |
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455 |
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所以你們要進行相關的掃黑動作 |
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455 |
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456 |
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我們當然是支持 |
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456 |
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458 |
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但是掃黑你們比較內行 |
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458 |
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460 |
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什麼樣的時機怎麼樣發動 |
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460 |
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461 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
然後什麼樣的規模 |
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461 |
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464 |
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我是覺得在選舉九合一大選前 |
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464 |
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466 |
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安定明星動作是有必要的 |
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466 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
467 |
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署長先請回 |
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467 |
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471 |
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我要請教這個跨境鎮壓的部分 |
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471 |
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473 |
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其實案件很多啦 |
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473 |
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475 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
從最早黃之鋒 |
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475 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
477 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
當黃之鋒這個優秀年輕人現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
477 |
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479 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
關在香港那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
479 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
481 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
出獄的時間也遙而無期 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
481 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
482 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
要講黑幫 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
482 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
485 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
中國共產黨大概是全世界最大的黑幫 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
485 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
489 |
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黃之鋒當時要來台灣被暴力接擊 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
489 |
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495 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
被用真性色跟蹤拍的相片丟給香港的媒體報導 |
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495 |
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499 |
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表示他們在台灣可以跨境執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
499 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
501 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
可以跨境嚇阻 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
501 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
502 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
他們要做這個事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
502 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
505 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
核運師來台灣參加活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
505 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
508 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
就在凱道上面被潑紅漆 |
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508 |
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510 |
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那個也是黑幫 |
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510 |
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515 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
然後餐廳保護傘是支援香港黃雨傘行動的 |
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515 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
517 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
被潑廢物 |
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517 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
522 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
那個行動跟最近這一個黃毅好案幾乎一樣 |
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522 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
525 |
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然後再來到這個沈柏楊 |
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525 |
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527 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
當時很不幸的 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
527 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
529 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
當時有一些國內人總是站在中國那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
529 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
嘲諷自己國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
533 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
事實上沈柏楊是在確認 |
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533 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
有香港人士出資請人監控 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
537 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
特別要拍到他的小孩 |
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537 |
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540 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
他那個幼童 |
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540 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
542 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
然後這兩天的黃毅好案 |
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542 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
545 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
竟然在那邊笑 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
545 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
546 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
笑國民黨沒事 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
546 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
547 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
笑民進黨沒事 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
547 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
548 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
笑民眾也沒事 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
548 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
549 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
在台灣民主政黨 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
549 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
551 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
笑共和黨民眾也沒事 |
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551 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
553 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
講了習近平 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
553 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
555 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
花錢叫人家要撞盪 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
555 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
556 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
轉轉他的手腳 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
556 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
558 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
這個半男女星鬼查出來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
558 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
石板民夫被暴力攻擊 |
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560 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
562 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
然後都從香港做跳板 |
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562 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
564 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
很多那個港人不是原港人 |
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564 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
565 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
是新港人 |
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565 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
568 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
也就是中國到香港取得身份來執行的 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
568 |
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570 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
然後湯偉雄案 |
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570 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
兩個香港人到他的泰權工作室去潑東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
577 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
管建中案 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
577 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
579 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
然後還有賴庭宇案 |
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579 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
582 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
這是我們總統的孩子在美國被不當跟監 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
582 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
584 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
美國FBI在辦的 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
584 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
586 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
請問一下第一個問題 |
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586 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
588 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
國安局長 |
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588 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
591 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
這些跨境鎮壓跟中國的 |
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591 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
593 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
Fox hunting獵狐行動 |
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593 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
595 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
是同一組系列 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
595 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
597 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
還是一個是針對特定人士 |
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597 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
598 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
一個是不特定的 |
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598 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
599 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
沒有我想 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
599 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
600 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
基本上這樣 |
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600 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
602 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
我們在處理跨境鎮壓有兩個部分 |
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602 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
603 |
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一個部分是個案 |
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603 |
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605 |
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那個案假如我們這邊有情資的話 |
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605 |
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607 |
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一定會立即通報到 |
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607 |
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609 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
檢警單位來做必要的預防跟處理 |
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609 |
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610 |
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兩個重點 |
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610 |
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612 |
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第一個要保護被害人 |
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612 |
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613 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
第二個要嚴懲加害者 |
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613 |
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616 |
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那這個部分根據個案的情資 |
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616 |
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619 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
我們都保持密切的專案小組之間的聯繫 |
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619 |
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620 |
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針對個案 |
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620 |
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621 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
那第二部分是 |
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621 |
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622 |
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委員剛剛也稍微提到了 |
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622 |
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625 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
是怎麼樣來針對國內的協力者 |
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625 |
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628 |
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特別是黑幫或是黑幫相關的真性社 |
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628 |
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630 |
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來做一個必要的壓制 |
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630 |
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632 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
也告警他們知道這樣的行為是違法的 |
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632 |
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634 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
那這個訊息我們必須要釋放出去 |
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634 |
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637 |
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所以警政署在前一陣子也召集了國內 |
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637 |
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640 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
所有的真性社到刑事局 |
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640 |
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642 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
來進行法律的說明 |
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642 |
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644 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
告警他們不管是有意或無意 |
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644 |
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646 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
叫我殺為之虐 |
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646 |
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647 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
說明很好 |
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647 |
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649 |
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但最好的訊息傳遞就是執法 |
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649 |
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651 |
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你違法就抓起來 |
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651 |
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654 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
最好的訊息傳遞就是違法者就是執法 |
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654 |
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657 |
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所以我剛才會列這些就是說 |
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657 |
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659 |
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我請教我們國安局 |
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659 |
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661 |
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或者我們相關的勤工單位 |
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661 |
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662 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
對於跨境鎮壓 |
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662 |
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665 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
或者中國在歐美進行的獵狐行動 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
665 |
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668 |
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有沒有哪些行為的樣態 |
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668 |
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671 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
你認為它這個就屬於跨境鎮壓 |
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671 |
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673 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
然後我們台灣現有哪些法律 |
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673 |
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675 |
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可以來進行法律制裁 |
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675 |
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677 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
那法律是不是有不足的 |
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677 |
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680 |
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你們有沒有修法的提出跟需求 |
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680 |
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683 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
對 針對那個跨境鎮壓的樣態 |
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683 |
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684 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
它的那個手法一直在改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
684 |
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686 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
傳統上當然是跟監或暴力脅迫 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
686 |
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688 |
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那現在因為規避我們的法律 |
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688 |
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690 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
開始有所謂知道假車禍 |
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690 |
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691 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
那所以這一部分的樣態 |
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691 |
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694 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
我們不只是國內國安情報機關之間 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
694 |
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695 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
有在分享相關的情資 |
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695 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
698 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
跟國際上我們也在交流相關的經驗 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
698 |
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699 |
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這大概第一部分的說明 |
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699 |
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701 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
第二部分的說明是在法律的部分 |
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702 |
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705 |
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那現在因為沒有一個特定的法律 |
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705 |
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707 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
來規範跨國鎮壓 |
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707 |
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709 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
所以能夠用的大概都是刑法的傷害罪 |
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709 |
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712 |
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重傷害 重傷害未遂 公然暴力侮辱 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
712 |
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716 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
或是個資法或是組織犯罪 |
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716 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
719 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
那把盡量相關的法律能夠盤點來用 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
719 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
721 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
假如說修法的話當然是最好 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
721 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
722 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
我們現在的法律是這樣子 |
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722 |
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726 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
一般的刑法從149條到153條 |
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726 |
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730 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
不管是妨礙秩序或者傷害等等這些罪行 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
730 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
731 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
本來就有罰則 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
731 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
734 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
但坦白講放在跨國跨境鎮壓偏輕 |
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734 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
738 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
所以我們在反滲透法的第六條有明定 |
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738 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
742 |
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從刑法149到153或集有法31條犯那個罪 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
742 |
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744 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
那個差別在哪裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
744 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
748 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
你受我們陸海空軍刑法第十條 |
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748 |
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751 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
以及我們刑法的115之一吧 |
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751 |
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756 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
就是受境外敵對勢力的指示資助或委託 |
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756 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
759 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
來進行原來刑法的行為的話 |
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759 |
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761 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
加重二分之一嘛 |
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761 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
762 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
所以這一些進行 |
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762 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
767 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
它如果背後有境外敵對勢力的指示委託或資助 |
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767 |
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768 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
會加重二分之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
768 |
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770 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
可是我現在看的本刑如果偏低 |
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770 |
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772 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
你加重二分之一還是低 |
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772 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
777 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
那就對台灣造成的傷害跟寒蟬效應是很大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
777 |
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781 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
所以你們有沒有具體要跟法務單位提出修法 |
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781 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
782 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
有有有我們有在討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
782 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
783 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
有跟法務在討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
783 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
786 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
那另外行政院也開始有在做初步的研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
786 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
787 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
什麼時候會提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
787 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
789 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
我來瞭解一下進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
789 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
791 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
因為行政院已經有在召會了 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
791 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
792 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
因為這部分我們會提供我們的意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
792 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
796 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
反滲透法裡面對的是針對到的是公投選舉罷免 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
796 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
799 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
以及集會遊行或者其他受中國指示 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
799 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
801 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
介入我們民主活動的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
801 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
804 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
但坦白講有些本刑真的偏低 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
804 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
806 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
所以這種跨國跨境鎮壓 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
806 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
808 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
美國聯邦他們是用很重的罪在辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
808 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
811 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
所以我們修法我們是希望在這個會期 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
811 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
812 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
看到你們把它提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
812 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
816 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
那我們也希望在立法院大家政黨競爭OK |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
816 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
820 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
但是受境外指示來進行暴力或者金流 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
820 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
822 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
我想沒有一個政黨應該去支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
822 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
823 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
所以你們儘速提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
823 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
825 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
我們到時候看看能不能順利復為 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
825 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
826 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
順利來審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
826 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
828 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
因為主席已經站起來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].start |
828 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
829 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
那個局長你先請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].start |
829 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
831 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
我最好問兩個小問題就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
831 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
834 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
那個海軍署長能回答就回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
834 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
836 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
不能回答就說這個機密 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].start |
838 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
840 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].text |
來兩句話 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].start |
840 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
843 |
| transcript.whisperx[377].text |
菲律賓駐美國的副團長 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].start |
843 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].end |
846 |
| transcript.whisperx[378].text |
副團長這一個Karino |
| transcript.whisperx[379].start |
846 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].end |
851 |
| transcript.whisperx[379].text |
他公開講要跟台灣政府合作 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].start |
851 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].end |
853 |
| transcript.whisperx[380].text |
保護海底電纜 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].start |
853 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].end |
855 |
| transcript.whisperx[381].text |
然後在那個場域 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].start |
855 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
856 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].text |
美國特別問他說 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].start |
856 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
859 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].text |
你是要跟台灣聯合巡邏 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].start |
859 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
861 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
或者是共同追究 |
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861 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
864 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
也就是共同法律的訴追 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
864 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
866 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
有沒有這個計畫 |
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866 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].end |
871 |
| transcript.whisperx[387].text |
各位報告我們跟菲律賓海巡保持密切聯繫 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].start |
871 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
873 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
因為在海上的搜救也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].start |
873 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
875 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
我們要再簡單講 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].start |
875 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
879 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].text |
有沒有共同巡邏保護我們的海底電纜的計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].start |
879 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
882 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
這部分我們現在沒辦法對外說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].start |
882 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
884 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
沒辦法說明我尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].start |
884 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
887 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
就是說破壞海底電纜的船跑到他那邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].start |
887 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
889 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
破壞他的跑到我們這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].start |
889 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
892 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
這種跨國之間的司法的執行追究 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].start |
892 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
894 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
有沒有要進行合作的計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].start |
894 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
895 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
我們要簽約的喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
895 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
897 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
我們非常期盼有這個機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].start |
897 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
899 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
為什麼因為海底電纜破壞 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].start |
899 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
902 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
我們開始談這個法律訴追的機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
902 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
905 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
我們談的話都是所有的海巡 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].start |
905 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
906 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
所有的整體 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
906 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
907 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
有沒有開始談 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].start |
907 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
909 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
我們是談包括海域執法 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
909 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
911 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
包括人道救援等 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
911 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
912 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
已經開始談了 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
912 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
915 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
是整體全面性的 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
915 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
917 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
這個包在裡面嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].start |
917 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
920 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
我們現在不能明講說哪一項目 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
920 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
923 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
我們是整體的都有在規劃做進一步的交流 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
923 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
926 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
他在美國都講說有這兩個 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
926 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
927 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
但是我覺得這是好的 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
927 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
929 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
林國之間本來就要守望相助 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
929 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
931 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
有惡霸欺負我們的社區 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
931 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
933 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
守望相助是最起碼的基本款 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].start |
933 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
935 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
好謝謝署長謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
935 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
937 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
好謝謝王定宇委員 |