| IVOD_ID |
17146 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17146 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-24T08:32:31+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-24T12:09:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:36:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/b41997f390c3528e6f793b294c4350709202012fa70dda1b3fa04411479d882ab8bcd1f62a28f0775ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲、金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆、國家發展委員會副主任委員、內政部次長、外交部次長、國防部副部長、教育部次長、法務部次長、經濟部次長、交通部次長、勞動部次長、農業部次長、衛生福利部次長、運動部次長、環境部次長、文化部次長、數位發展部次長、僑務委員會副委員長、國家科學及技術委員會副主任委員、海洋委員會副主任委員、國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會副主任委員、人事行政總處副人事長、國立故宮博物院副院長、原住民族委員會副主任委員、客家委員會副主任委員、中央選舉委員會副主任委員、核能安全委員會副主任委員、公平交易委員會副主任委員、國家通訊傳播委員會副主任委員、大陸委員會副主任委員、公共工程委員會副主任委員就「115年度中央政府總預算案至今尚未審查，近3,000億元之新興、新增計畫將無法推動，對國家整體發展之影響」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:32:31 - 12:09:00 |
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感谢观看 |
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不好意思 因為我們今天各部會在場人數比較多所以我們也特別開放了802會議室然後可以讓這個在現場如果沒有位置坐的官員我們可以到802會議室我們那邊應該可以看到我們九樓開會的一個狀況那是不是先請我們在場 |
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還沒有位置坐的我們的官員先到802會議室先到802會議室那不然這個雖然九樓會議室已經蠻大了那但是呢這個大家在討論的聲音呢 |
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等一下可能會蓋過不論是官員或是委員討論的聲音所以我在這邊再次邀請到目前為止還沒有位置坐的我們的官員 |
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那是不是能够到802会议室到802会议室我们那边也有准备会议室供各位来做这个不论是做休息或是说了解今天的会议的一个进度我们请主任秘书报告出席委员人数报告委员会出席委员与主法定人数现在开始开会请议事人员宣读上次会议议事录 |
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1736.993 |
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立法院第十一屆第四會期財政委員會第十三次全體委員會議議事錄時間中華民國一百一十四年十二月十七日星期三九十至十一時五十七分地點群旋樓九樓大禮堂出席委員林德福委員等十四人列席委員黃國昌委員等五人列席官員財政部部長莊翠雲及其所屬單位代表經濟部農業部法務部等單位代表 |
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主席林昭吉委員思明宣讀上次會議議事錄決定議事錄確定討論事項審查海關進口稅責5案本院委員徐富奎等17人委員黃建豪等22人委員徐富奎等16人委員陳金輝等16人委員林思明等16人分別擬據海關進口稅責部分稅責修正草案等5案經委員 |
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1787.009 |
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徐富奎 黃建豪 林思明說明提案要旨財政部長 莊翠雲 回應委員提案後紀委員 林德福等14人提出質詢軍軍財政部莊部長 農業部農糧署陳副署長經濟部產發署翁組長及相關人員以說明及答覆 |
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決議一 說明及詢答完畢二 委員質詢未及答覆或請補充資訊請相關部會一週內以書面答覆委員另要求期限者從期鎖定三 委員黃珊珊 陳玉珍所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報並請相關部會以書面答覆四 海關進口稅則部分稅則修正草案等五案另則其繼續審查宣讀完畢 |
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好 因為在場委員未足法定人數我們議事錄等一下再來做確認接下來請議事人員宣讀今日議程 |
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1841.294 |
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邀請行政院主計總署陳主計長淑芝財政部莊部長翠雲金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金融國家發展委員會副主任委員內政部次長外交部次長國防部副部長教育部次長法務部次長經濟部次長交通部次長勞動部次長農業部次長衛生福利部次長運動部次長環境部次長文化部次長數位發展部次長 |
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1867.178 |
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僑務委員會副委員長國家科學及技術委員會副主任委員海洋委員會副主任委員國軍退出役官兵輔導委員會副主任委員人事行政總處副人事長國立故宮博物院副院長援助民主委員會副主任委員客家委員會副主任委員中央選舉委員會副主任委員核能安全委員會副主任委員公平交易委員會副主任委員國家通訊傳播委員會副主任委員大陸委員會 |
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1895.584 |
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1911.656 |
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副主任委員 公共工程委員會副主任委員就115年度中央政府總預算案至今尚未審查近3000億元之新興新增計畫將無法推動對國家整體發展的影響進行專題報告並被質詢宣讀完畢好 謝謝我先來介紹我們在場的與會的官員行政院主計總署主計長陳淑芝好 謝謝財政部部長莊翠雲 |
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1925.393 |
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1938.577 |
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金融監督管理委員會副主任委員 陳彥良國家發展委員會副主任委員 高仙貴內政部政務次長 董建宏外交部政務次長 陳明齊國防部副部長 徐思簡教育部常務次長 朱俊彰法務部政務次長 徐錫祥 |
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1957.005 |
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1961.807 |
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經濟部政務次長何敬昌交通部政務次長吳勝源謝謝勞動部常務次長陳明仁農業部政務次長黃昭清衛生福利部政務次長林靜怡運動部政務次長鄭世忠環境部政務次長葉俊宏文化部常務次長徐怡君 |
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1989.498 |
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2014.97 |
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數位發展部政務司長侯怡秀僑務委員會副委員長李延慧國家科學及技術委員會副主任委員蘇政剛海洋委員會副主任委員黃向文國軍退儲役官兵輔導委員會副主任委員陳敬廣人事行政總署副人事長沈德然 |
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2017.64 |
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2042.845 |
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國立故宮博物院政務副院長黃永泰原住民族委員會常務副主任委員杜章梅莊客家委員會政務副主任委員邱新威中央學局委員會主任秘書謝美玲核能安全委員會主任秘書王崇德 |
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2044.977 |
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2074.435 |
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公平交易委員會製造業競爭處處長胡光宇國家通訊傳播委員會綜合規劃處處長溫俊瑜大陸委員會副主任委員梁文傑公共工程委員會副主任委員陳維祥歡迎 謝謝我也介紹我們現在在場的與會的委員林德福委員 |
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2079.295 |
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2089.268 |
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還有吳秉瑞委員好那請問各位委員對於上次的議事錄有無異議好 議事錄確定 |
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2091.965 |
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2109.856 |
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我們今天是就115年度中央政府總預算案至今尚未審查於3000億元之新興新增計畫將無法推動對國家整體發展之影響進行專題報告我們現在先請行政院主席總署陳主席長進行專題報告 |
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主席長 就簡短報告就可以了我知道內容很多是 主席 各位委員 女士先生今天很榮幸應邀列席就115年度中央政府總預算案資金會審查然後近3000億元的新興新增等計畫無法推動對國家整體發展的影響 |
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那依照預算法規定預算案應該在會計年度開始前一個月由立法院來議決然後會計年度開始15天由總統公佈那所以這我們總預算案如果不能一線完成各機關預算案的執行依預算法執行 |
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預算法第54條還有中央政府總預算案未能一線完成的執行補充規定辦理一新興計劃新增計劃必須要等預算完成審議程序才可以動之但經立法院同意者不在此限第二個法定義務支出何時動之但經常性經費和延續性經費等於上年度執行範圍內動之 |
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2183.12 |
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那第三第一第二預備金和災害準備金必須預算完成審定之後才能動之所以一百一十五年度會完成通過審議通過不得動之計有兩千九百九十二億元那新興計劃的部分是有一千零一十七億元那屬於中央置辦的部分是三百八十億元地方受益部分主要是六百三十七億元那影響如下 |
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第一個直轄市和縣市政府均衡補助321億元中央將無法協助整體貨配金額低於114年度的地方政府影響地方財政調度能力那第二個縣市河川和排水整治一個計畫將嚴重衝擊地方災害調適量冷和增加淹水風險那三是AI新十大建設102億元 |
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2237.304 |
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2261.744 |
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那这个影响企业和公共服务导入AI的一个速度是TPAS行政院通勤月票执行计划75亿元将影响全国每个月约98万余人的一个通勤组的一个权益是卫生福利部健康台湾70亿元将把全面监测疫情发展然后强化我国疫苗研发的一个能量 |
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2283.801 |
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六 新材料循環產業園區申請設置60億元將影響大林埔1.1萬戶的一個千村那7生育幾戶差好補助41億元將影響12萬胎新生兒家庭無法勤領補助八 補助校舍和排水將影響足足苗的一個國立大專院校 |
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2284.301 |
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2297.458 |
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它整個一個老舊建物和污水下水道工程進行的一個改善九 部件公共化拖曳設施14億元將無法及時補助彰化縣等13個地方政府部件優化49個公共化拖曳設施 |
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2301.784 |
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2323.909 |
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使台灣品牌賽事競選計畫8億元各種賽事活動恐無法如期推動經常性延續計畫115年所編列競會比114年高的部分總共有1805億元也是不能動之會影響整個一個施政計畫的推動那在國防部的部分 |
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2324.549 |
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2340.844 |
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計有725億元將影響各型基建站站甲砲車等的一個維修和彈藥油料的一個補充那交通部超過248億元那會影響鐵路地下化相關的一個 |
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2341.685 |
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2369.09 |
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工程的進行三 經濟部超過148億元將影響先進半導體和新興通訊相關技術研發的一個進程那外交部超過108億元將援護我國與友邦合作的一個項目的一個執行那衛福部超過103億元將影響整個國家醫療整備的一個任期還有第一第二預備金和再號準備金 |
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2370.631 |
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170億元將無法動之那面對災害就無法執行所以整體115年度總計有2992億元必須要等預算通過使得執行所以總預算是關國家的一個發展人民的一個民生利益攸關希望大院能夠盡速審議使有關國家長遠發展和人民福祉得以如期執行以上報告敬請各位女士先生指教謝謝 |
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2400.322 |
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2420.775 |
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好 謝謝陳主席長由於受到影響的部會相當的多但是因為時間有限所以接下來我只請財政部還有國發會來做專題的報告其餘各部會的資料請我們所有各位委員用書面資料來做參考接下來我們請財政部中央部長進行專題報告 |
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2427.728 |
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2456.221 |
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主席各位委員先進大家好今天貴委員會邀請本部等相關機關進行專題報告並被質詢僅就一百一十五年度中央政府總預算案的稅務編列情形還有未審查的影響簡要說明如下首先就是一百一十五年度中央政府總預算案稅務的編列情形我們在這個總預算案裡面稅務編列的是兩兆八千六百二十三億元比一百一十四年度的預算案減少了三千零二十五億元負成長 |
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2458.842 |
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9.6%其中說客收入編列2兆4807億元比114年度的預算數減少了3038億元那麼 |
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是負成長10.9%主要是因為才化法的修正那麼中央地方稅客收入的劃分比例使中央的稅客收入減少那麼其中營業稅就減少了3534億元另外非稅客收入的編列是3816億元比114年度的預算數增加了13億成長0.3% |
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沒有審查115年度中央政府總預算案的影響根據預算法第54條以及中央政府總預算案沒有能夠一線完成時的執行補充規定總預算案的審議如果不能依同法第51條期限完成的話各機關預算的執行收入部分像賦稅 規費等是屬於強制性的收入那麼當然依照法律的規定徵收那其餘就按照實際發生數來執行 |
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另外因應收支調度需要的債務舉借依同法第54條第4款的規定 核實辦理至於115年度新興資本支出以及新增計劃總預算案沒有能夠依法完成審議的程序那是不能動之 會影響政府的施政以上的報告 敬請各位委員會議指教 謝謝好 謝謝周部長接下來邀請國發會高副主任委員進行專題報告 |
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主席 各位委員 新晉 大家好今天承蒙國務委員會交期本會列席我們就115年中央總預算為人審查對國家發展的影響進行報告我想第一就是總預算如果未審查的話會延誕政府的預算的執行我想剛剛主席長已經說過了我們整體的影響會達到2992億元其中新增資本支出跟新增計畫會到1017億元 |
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我想根據行政院主席總書最新的估計我們今年的經濟成長率可以達到7.37是創15年來的新高展望明年我們考量台灣仍然面對AI成長動人美國關稅後續的進展以及主要國家貨幣政策的調整還有中國大陸產能外溢等風險為了推動國家的穩步發展急需要堅強的政府預算支出來支持 |
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第二个是总预算如果未能审查将冲击国家整体的施政我想行政院卓院长在今年9月向大院提出的施政报告里面具体揭示了我们115年的中央总预算的案是以AI新十大建设跟国立新十大建设的双金字塔计划为主轴希望能强化产业的领先优势扩大内需动人确保经济成长的全民共享 |
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首先就AI新十大建設推遲的影響我想AI是驅動台我國下一階段經濟成長的關鍵引擎AI新十大建設以智慧運用關鍵技術跟數位基盤三大主軸希望推動台灣成為智慧科技島 |
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115年中央總預算已經編列相關經費311億元其中受影響的達到102億元如果為人通過的話我們在智慧應用普及的方面有關智慧雨林的創新生態系等協助百工百業跟中小企業導入AI的措施將面臨推動的困難第二個是關鍵技術政府聚焦在矽光子 量子 科技及智慧機器人等前瞻技術 |
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如果預算延遲的話將會影響關鍵技術研發的時程跟產業鏈的成型第三個是數位基盤那其中智慧政府資料治理政府AI適用場域及智慧防災等計畫都高度仰賴中央政府總預算的支持如果推動延遲也會直接影響到公共服務的品質跟治理的效能 |
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第二個是有關於國立新十大動人推遲的影響我想國立新十大的計畫涵蓋產業升級、世代照顧跟國立基盤三大主軸總預算如果不能順利通過的話在產業升級方面我們相關計畫無法執行可能會削弱無人載具國防產業的自主研發能量影響政府的數位、韌性及偏鄉的這些 |
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通訊同時呢我們有擴大內需的兩大主軸有關於這個官官產業也會受到影響然後也會衝擊到地方經濟的發展但是到是在照顧方面我們生育給給付差額如果沒有辦法落實會影響12萬個 |
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新生兒家庭的權益然後公共托育的這些設施延誕也會影響托育的這個樣人那健康計畫受阻的話也會招落國家整體藥物整備還有這個疫苗自主研發的能力在國力基盤方面我想很重要的就是因應氣候變遷核專管的計畫剛才主席長已經有報告過了 |
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好 那我想最後呢我想115年度呢中央政府總預算所建構的雙金字塔計劃是我國邁向智慧科技島跟落實均衡台灣的核心戰略我想請恳請大院支持115年度中央政府總預算緊速完成審議讓政府得以依法施政確保國家的穩健發展回應全民的期待以上報告 進行指教 |
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好 谢谢高副主任委员的报告现在开始询答先做一下宣告一 每位出席委员发言时间八分钟必要时的延长两分钟每位列席委员发言时间五分钟第二 今日上午十点截止发言登记三 现已登记顺序请登记第一位的林德福委员进行质询 |
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謝謝主席是請陳主計長還有莊部長請陳主計長 莊部長 |
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委員好主席長你好主席長因為卓院長上個禮拜接受專訪的時候表示根據統計明年度新興計畫中有超過兩千億元受影響沒有辦法來推動那卓院長指責在野黨就是要讓執政團隊沒有政績阻礙整個國家的前進那主席長 |
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足跡總數預估明年GDP成長率只有3.54%那請問這項統計預估有沒有加入卓院長所說的新興計畫2000億受影響的因素嗎 有沒有 |
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還沒有加入每100億會影響0.05%對 要是沒有的話那請問你認為2000億的新興計畫一估影響多少的經濟成長率一估多少我跟委員報告每100億會影響0.05%的一個百分比那換句話說會影響到1%嗎是不是是 |
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這個國會不能亂講話還是有可能變成負經濟成長反過來說如果有從經濟成長率來看卓院長對在野的指責是不是太過武斷因為你沒有把它納進去你現在說這個要加這2000億然後經濟成長率差了1%你說原來我們3.54意思就是說加進去變成4.54是不是 |
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是不是百分之4.54這一個部分呢它大概就針對業務費和設備費它會影響每100億大概0.05個百分點這是我們預估的那你也不是也不是說在推動這個因為你它有兩項嘛經常門跟資本門嘛你這個並不是租資本門啊你怎麼可以這樣講呢 |
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也有資本能資本能可能部分啦但是你還沒有納進去你怎麼可以說這個是在野黨對不對除外我們整個執政團隊讓執政團隊沒有政績這等於是亂講話嘛對不對那個如果沒有 |
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你身為主席長難道你不應該跟院長建議嗎不能這樣講啊 對不對那個主席長 左院長指責立法院通過的裁判法絕對影響你就是少嘛你本來就是估計3.54嘛你加這個就變成4.54嘛剛剛你有講啊 對不對那你現在 主席長左院長指責立法院通過的裁判法再修正版 |
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有其明顯違憲之處所以他不附屬這項立院三讀通過的法律案主席長行政院送立法院的預算案經過立法院三讀通過行政院是不是也有附屬權 |
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行政院長是不是也有戶屬權如果115年度 三千億新興計畫立院也三讀全三那你認為行政院到底是要欣然接受接受總統公布的結果還是他可以如同最近財化法修正一樣實行不戶屬讓三讀通過的總預算案沒有辦法公布 |
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因為這個部分通過的部分我們執行確定確實是有困難因為如果說我們要照編的話那絕對超過公債法一個部分2646億超過我們公債法的一個規定所以這個執行是有困難主席長 |
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財化法修正版立院已經刪讀行政院長不附屬製造憲政爭議為了115年度預算案又拿新興計畫3000億可能造成國家整個前景的受阻企圖來抹黑在野黨的立委請問主席長到底是應該無條件尊重立法院多數 |
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多數決後的預算審查結果還是沒有條件來支持行政院長獨斷否決立法院多數決下的一個附屬權請你做你的看法 |
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坦白說我們是希望能夠盡量來執行但是執行確實是有困難所以才會沒有辦法我跟你講 主席長從你上任主席長到現在什麼都是困難包括去年多少讓你自己去調30%多少你也說有困難 歷任都沒有困難這裡很多財委會的委員包括很多官員都在場只有你有困難 其他都沒有困難我認為你真的不盡職 |
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那是真的是有困難而且如果說要對於那個那個一些管制的項目來刪減的話那是真的有困難主席長 以本席的看法行政機關對立法機關多數決 |
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這個開啟不戶屬權的先例未來立法機關只要出現嘲笑野大的局面行政院都可以依其好惡行使戶屬權那請問主席長戶屬權大於民意機關多數決的結果是不是會讓立法委員連預算審查到最後都可能只留於行政院的橡皮圖章 |
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的地位 試問這是大家所期待的結果嗎大家所期待的結果嗎我們大家都不願意看到這樣的一個情況我們是代表人民來監督政府我們實際上執行是有困難你什麼都有困難啦 講實在話你是非常不盡責 那個部長來我請問你 莊部長 |
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上個禮拜四 央行李監事公布最新經濟預測除了今年的經濟成長率上修到7.31%也同步預估明年成長率3.67%不漲那你身為央行理事請問你對明年經濟成長率比今年低有什麼看法 |
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我想在有關經濟成長率的估測不管我們主計總署也好 央行也好都是參著了國內外整體的經濟情勢所做的一個估測的結果部長 明年財政部主導稅收預估你認為對比今年的預算數與時增數的落差到底是變小還是變大 |
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跟委員報告明年的我們的稅客收入在報告裡面我們事實上是比今年的預算數來得少那主要是因為有稅收短徵不是稅收短徵是因為財化法的修正那在撥給地方的部分要增加到4000多億所以中央的稅客收入就比今年的預算數來得少主要是這個原因 |
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那個羊毛都出在羊身上過去你撥給多少你們當然就本身不會再列預算給他們了那其實那個部長蘇建榮在任部長的時候曾說稅收超增是整體經濟擴張所帶來的自然現象並非違法超增而當時的經濟成長也是超於預期所以稅收和經濟成長能夠成正比 |
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對照今年整個經濟成長超過7%的超乎預期主計總數預估達到7.37%但稅收卻短增外界在質疑整個國內財政轉換你認為 |
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你卻說這是預算數和時增數的數字落差 部長稅收預算數少於時增數就好比原本預計要賺10萬結果到最後只賺9萬那我請問部長收入變少如果不是景氣變差所導致難道政府機關的預算會像乞丐許大院一樣最後拿到多少都認為是天意嗎 |
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跟委員報告114年的說客收入的預算在編列比10增數就比去年的10增數就增加了947億而今年呢我們認為到12月底為止我們全年的專案的說客收入可以達到98%到99% |
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其实基本上是非常接近了预算数而税客收入的影响的因素相当的多经济成长只是一个而且部分的税务因为今年的经济成长它的税客收入的实现数会在明年比如说所得税是克明年是克今年的不管是个人所得也好或者是盈利事业的获利都会在明年呈现所以这个部分各个税务情况是有不同的跟委员说明是 |
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部長 今年稅收短徵你強調不是財政轉壞或財政不好截至到11月底 今年稅入時增數為兩兆6350億元比去年同期時增數還高出539億元按照今年整個預估經濟成長率和2024年經濟成長率的4.59% 時增數啊 |
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陳正比增加應該合乎邏輯那我請問部長如果時增數合乎邏輯為何預算數會不合乎邏輯呢這本席感覺很奇怪剛剛本席曾以蘇建榮前部長所說明的稅收超增是整體經濟擴張所帶來的自然現象那今年稅收短增 |
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如果不是財政轉換或不加所帶來特定的稅收經濟萎縮難道經濟擴張還會帶來超自然現象嗎我們的預算數今年114年的稅客收入預算數比113年的時增數增加到947億就接近1000億了所以這個部分我們現在的時增數跟預算數之間的差距大概1% |
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一定是會小於2%所以我們可以達到98%到99%其實非常接近的預算數了所以沒有所謂的財政轉換這樣的一個情況跟委員說明 謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝林委員接下來我們請吳秉瑞委員 |
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主席麻煩請財政部莊部長請莊部長我也好我延續剛剛的話題因為我覺得問的人跟你回答的你回答的他好像沒有聽懂所以我再讓你再說得更清楚 |
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因為所謂的徵收的比例是跟預算數來比民國114年就是這個年度的預算數跟去年相比已經提高很多了 |
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你剛剛講是不是已經提高了很多了是跟去年的時增數而不是跟去年的預算數是跟去年時增數已經高出我知道了我是說那預算數提高多少已經高出947億預算數不是時增數113年的預算跟114年的預算數差距是多少 |
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那如果說這樣的話 那接近將近有好幾千億因為我們去年比預算數 時增數比預算數就高出了3757億事實上我的預算數還比這個時增數更高我們一項一項來好不好 你把兩個東西混在一談難怪他聽不懂嘛我現在就是一項一項幫你撥清楚嘛 |
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113年的稅入的預算關於稅收徵收的部分跟114年度的稅入預算稅收徵收部分就增加了3000多億對不對你剛剛講是不是又增加了3000多億預算數先講預算數那所以這個預算數多了3000多億也就是說如果大家都是收百分之百的時候你的實收數113年度跟114年度你就要多3000多億對不對 |
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再來再進到時增數那當然113年的時增數時增很多所以他們才要求那個要發一人發一萬的兩千兩千三百多億啊對不對那就是因為我以前一直在這邊跟你講說你們的預算 |
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這個稅入的部分編的太保守估計的太保守使得真正徵收到的數額高於這個預算數很多嘛那你們今年114年從善如流把預算數提高了3000多億所以今年的時增數就不會高於預算數那麼多到目前為止 |
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還差一點點其實還有一個原因你還沒有講到就是因為台灣跟美國在關稅談判所以你們今年年終的時候有宣布今年的那個站腳稅款什麼東西都可以延後對不對那一部分差多少 |
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那個部分就差不多要600多億了所以如果把這個600多億歷年來都沒有這種讓他們可以環繳可以分期繳的這個東西再加進來今年的實增數原則上本來還是要高於預算數但是大概只有高四五百億啦 |
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如果照剛剛的算數這樣算下來因為你現在說會達到98或是99嘛你的估計那我們現在還離年底還有10幾天嘛還不到10天但是你實際的收入我這樣給你算一算假設你沒有讓因為台美的關稅談判使得它延緩跟站腳今年的實收數 |
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很可能是比今年的預算數會多收四五百億因為你暫緩了五六百億所以最後你只能夠達到98% 99%我這樣說對不對是的 謝謝委員確實是如此如果這樣是對的話 |
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就代表我們的經濟成長率在稅收上面也是會展現當然稅收是會有遞延效果就像你講的營所稅跟眾所稅分別遞延一年跟兩年嘛因為明年上市櫃公司的公司發股利給股東股東明年拿到股利他是後年繳個人綜合所得稅那公司竟然賺錢的營利事業所得稅是明年繳嘛所以分別遞延一年跟兩年這個七年 |
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多的經濟成長率是不得了的成績但是會在明年後年顯現出來你的困難是在哪裡是因為他們把統籌分配稅款把所有的營業稅幾乎都撥到地方去就把你挖掉三四千億所以你今年的稅入的總預算那一部分扣掉本來是成長因為那部分扣掉所以等於是從三兆一千億退為兩兆八千億 |
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今年度的這個預算要編來立法院的預算我這樣說對不對完全是的就115年度的預算但是你的回答因為他也沒有要認真聽你的回答因為他就是活在他自己已經編好的故事裡面好你請回座 請主計長謝謝請主計長 |
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委員好剛剛的對話有聽到現在一個最大的問題我跟你說我真的這樣認為今年的預算不可能會省今天是12月24號到現在預算還沒有付尾昨天在程序委員會還是給你擋掉 |
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我們的召委很認真排這個題目就是讓你講清楚為什麼因為他要讓國人知道說這個會對國家造成什麼樣的損害那你認為他不給你省預算最大的理由是什麼你有沒有聽過就是那個那個軍人的一個因為立法院用他的法律案搶奪了行政院的行政權 |
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行政權的核心是人事跟經費 |
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就是說他規定每個職業經理人他都要給你每個月加薪三萬塊本來其實總統跟行政院原來就已經有加了加了一些戰鬥價值等等已經加了大概我如果沒有記錯大概加了一萬多塊錢然後他這個之外他還要每個月還要再加三萬塊然後要指責說你行政院沒有編入預算裡面所以他不給你省這個預算破壞整個人事制度 |
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對啦那其實我就認為這個違憲啦那當然他們過去為了怕被宣告違憲就把憲法法庭的這個用憲訴法把整個職權剝奪掉嘛把整個國家的制度全部都弄壞掉了嘛好那現在五個大法官他們出來做了這個憲法的判決說憲訴法違憲 |
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所以如果依照目前中華民國的憲法體制現在是可以申請違憲的審查了就可以申請憲法的判決那條路有恢復出來了那問題是他們現在又說這五個大法官的判決違法但還是不要讓憲法法庭走啊所以我是跟你講這群人是不會讓你省預算的啦 |
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12月24號不會審1月24號也不會審啦到下個會期如果沒有特別的事件發生也不會審但是我要問你一個我最憂慮的問題剛剛的報告裡面說第一預備金第二預備金跟災害準備金總共有170億都沒有辦法動資啊是 |
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台灣過去有句話叫多難興邦因為台灣這個海島剛好在太平洋的前沿在整個太平洋的颶風就是說我們每一年颱風幾乎都有啦有的從南部來 有的從北部來但是很難有那個年度說整年都沒有颱風全台灣都沒有受到風災的那現在又強降雨水災的機會也很多 |
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我要請教說那你的第一預備金第二預備金跟災害準備金都沒有辦法動之的狀況下發生天然災害怎麼辦 |
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是 這個部分所以我們這個部分就是會遭遇到困難的一個部分我知道啦 我現在就是說我們也在面對這個困難嘛我很想讓台灣能夠正常運作台灣的國民遇到天然災害的時候我們中央政府可以跟他救助我們中央政府可以給予各種救災各種災難的整頓啊那他現在不給你省這個預算所以依照你的報告第一預備金 第二預備金加災害準備金總共170億 |
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明年的災害準備是50億那一倍跟二倍是120億本來如果災害準備金不夠的時候行政院還可以專案簽准用預備金來用嘛所以當台灣遇到天然災害除了地方政府要救災之外中央政府救災主要就是要靠這一筆錢嘛 |
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那他現在不給你過你讓國人知道說這個沒有過的話將來中華民國遇到天然災害中央政府沒有一毛錢可以花大聲的講給國民聽啊 |
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是 這個部分災害準備金的確是一個困難那如果說地方他災情慘重的話那自己的災害準備金不夠資益那就必須要仰賴中央來做資助那到時候中央就是沒有經費可以調整到說天然災害發生的時候他們就會講另外一套說詞他不會講說他們不通過預算所以你沒有錢他講說中央麻木不仁對國人的災害視而不見 |
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他們將來就會換成這種言詞囉所以你要了解我們今天主席為什麼我認為這是我揣測的為什麼這麼辛苦排這個議案請了這麼多的政府官員來就是要讓你們說出沒有這個通過之後國人會受到什麼樣的災害你都講話都很客氣講說我們就有困難國人聽不懂什麼叫我們就有困難 |
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你要跟他講 這個沒有過明年任何的災害 中央政府一毛錢都沒辦法補助國內是不是要共同承擔這個苦難他是影響災害的一個救助啦對啦 我的意思是說 我這個人我偷懶啦 我比較激動啦我要把這個困難告訴全民聽我們的行政官員就不痛不癢我們就遇到困難了 |
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如果這樣我們台北住宿今天派這個議員要給你選名 |
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我意思是說 你如果真的很痛 要大聲哀啦你這麼說我們有困難 那個不痛不癢好像不太重要啊我的感覺是這樣子啦我是說我用情緒的角度來揣測會不會有這樣的誤解這樣如果造成這樣誤解就很遺憾希望你能夠很認真 大聲疾呼這不過是國家的災難謝謝喔 加油謝謝委員 謝謝 |
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謝謝委員接下來我們請賴世保委員謝謝主席以及各位先進節省時間等一下要問的幾位長官一起財政部長 主席長 |
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還有這個經濟部的何次長還有衛福部的林次長還有陸委會的梁副主委交通部的次長好不好一起上來 委員好好 那請那個剛剛委員所點到的官員我們依序上台陸委會和梁副主任委員 |
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好 各位長官好我先問一下主計長今天派這個題目招委當然有權利派任何題目這個題目老實講就是很簡單啦剛才你也講了你們不依法編列 |
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是立法權如物啊 掏空立法權啊我們三讀通過的法案給軍人加薪 買武器一堆國防預算九千多億然後加任性一千多億 加一兆 |
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兩千五百億如果通過的話那整個兩兆多難道不應該給那個軍人志願役的加薪嗎就通過了這個加完薪跟世界比也沒有特別高啊你們不編列然後警校退休的要提升為八成看到最近張文事件代表警察很辛苦啊我們要特別的這個要照顧他們 |
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更多人願意來當警察 因為退休保障就這麼簡單的事情這兩個你依法編列 可以審為什麼不能審 為什麼不要審總預算當然要審啦 你不依法編列怎麼可以講說你說違憲就違憲 請再公告咧你是大法官啦 你怎麼敢講我們通過了就違憲你又不是大法官怎麼講違憲 所以來 我題目很多 你不要講一堆喔我就問你 來來來 沒有 你不要走就問你 就問你 |
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你要不要公開承諾審總預算的時候 審完馬上追加預算這兩筆追加預算我們就馬上審 就這樣可以承諾嗎 要承諾其他不要講就講這個我要跟委員報告 第一個就是說你這個你本身我們以前從114年我也有追加那個G的第一份要不要承諾啦 |
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這不是我承諾的問題我們本身第一個要先籌措裁員依照我們那個財政紀律法要先籌措裁員那這個部分如果有籌措裁員有相關的裁員那這個部分才能夠來辦理追加就這麼簡單的事情你只要答應說我們省完預算馬上追加那很簡單啦我們三兆裡面我們300億砍了一耙300億就可以有啦怎麼沒有錢呢 |
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錢在那裡啊 就這麼簡單的事情我們沒有提醒市縣啊 那我們按照市縣基礎來辦理你不要講違憲 因為你沒有權利講違憲你不是大法官 不要亂講一通更何況大法官現在啊 憲政的庫斯拉 |
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庫斯拉 憲政怪獸 一個叫賴清德 一個叫卓榮泰現在加五個 游伯祥 鄧 五位大法官 高派那些大小大家都知道公民課 我們開會的時候要法定人數法定人數按照級別 按照舊的憲法 要六個 他五個 |
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就可以了以後我們想辦法說彈耳賴清耳的時候趁民進黨立委不在的時候不在的統統不算我就統統通過了不可以啦主席長好你下去喔來我請教財政部長財政部長委員好我看到你們發布消息啊說啊網紅要課稅有沒有這回事啊 |
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跟委員報告對有關稅的話有所得我們就會有課稅的這個議題怎麼課啊 課多少啊有關網紅課稅的部分在我們這次已經訂了相關的規範課幾% 你跟我講課幾%並不是所得稅是不是就是境內的網紅當然有我們的所得稅的中所稅 |
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對 用中鎖稅來扣好 境外呢境外的話就是境外如果是境外的話是從國內的來源鎖的是我們國內的話那它就是用扣繳20%的稅20%這當作外籍人士扣什麼時候開始生效什麼時候開始生效立即就生效但是我們有立即生效所以有輔導期到明年的6月底 |
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明年6月以後就課稅你們都掌握了嗎我們現在就開始課請問那你告訴我全部網紅有多少被你課到的全部網紅的數量我看是不是請複稅署說明一下有沒有數量來來趕快因為時間有限趕快多少報告委員掌握的多少我們現在正在輔導當中陸續在發輔導函多少人啊你告訴我目前手上還沒有確切的數字等我們輔導結束就是一段時間以後再跟委員報告所以要辦名你接受你輔導啊 |
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我們有去爬書一些資料來做輔導你一定要爬 爬書大概多少人啊而且我手上沒有最後的數字因為他們還沒回報好 請你回去請經濟部的市長委員好年底的台美關稅能不能搞定 |
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因為剩下沒幾天了那美國這邊應該有聖誕節的假期我想可能年底沒辦法搞定農曆節能不能搞定我想這個應該還會牽涉到保保保我就告訴你現在等於川普跟八成要見習近平見面之前都不會搞定啦這才是悲哀啦還有他們要求我們營業500億以上去美國投資有沒有這回事 |
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目前 有沒有這回事告訴我因為這個我不清楚這個部分這個東西他們講的我們毫無招架能力真的還不是貴美而已貴美甜美完全的就是他講什麼你看拖這麼久我們剛開始談的時候我們還是前四大前五大開始跟美國談結果到現在為止都沒有 |
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要買武器也買了 買了不來啊一兩百億美金的武器也不來我們要的F35也不給我們對不對 結果到現在為止你都沒有答案好 請你回來 我請教那個衛福部的委員長 次長啊你也當過立委當次長喔你是醫生啦 |
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日內瓦宣言 醫生日內瓦宣言不得因為宗教 國籍 種族 還有政治有所差別結果現在賴清德總統在2023年選舉總統的時候說你們要給他洗啊 洗久一點啊以前10分鐘就洗20分鐘洗腦他支持賴清德啊 |
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連病人都不放過啊要洗腦還說要告訴門診的醫生說判到像我們這樣災害黨的利誤說要審總預算怎麼會叫醫生來干預政治呢連病人都不放過怎麼會這樣子呢第一個事情醫師這邊當然不會因為病人的宗教種族等等地位而對他的治療有所猜疑但是我還是要拜託一下委員在預算非常的重要因為 |
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我們在公務預算裡面我們對於護理師的決議都放在公務預算裡面這一次的新增的計畫裡面包含了藥品任性以及我們很多的智慧醫療的部分都在新興預算裡面拜託委員支持我們的預算 |
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真的再一次強調委員所關心我們非常多藥品任性的部分國內的藥品能夠自主化都在這次的計畫都在新興計畫裡面拜託委員能夠支持我們的預算讓我們能夠來進行這個部分大家都非常關心我們整個醫療的健全都在公務預算我們的健檢也在這裡面啊我在跟委員報告委員時間很少我一定要跟你們報告預算裡面這麼多重要的部分拜託讓我們能夠執行 |
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軍人加薪更重要買這麼多武器 要軍人妳請回 妳請回我當然支持預算但是請你們支持軍人加薪 |
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請你們支持憲政 中華民國是民主國家依法行政這麼困難嗎為什麼我們通過的你不編可見不及嘛你說今天影響三千億 影響兩千億 影響四千億你們不及啊而且不要忘了這個政府沒有因為這樣停擺沒有像美國說關門 |
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沒有像美國這樣關門繼續運作然後我請教陸委會的副主委 |
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委員好有人說吳鳳山被請辭是因為謝昌廷因為謝昌廷現在沒有位子要給他台日關係協會所以把他擠掉把蘇嘉全擠掉 徐嘉全來做這個吳鳳山的位子這個事情你要不要澄清一下是不是如此關於人事的部分就是由總統府在作業之中作業完畢之後我們會再跟大家報告他確定被請辭不是嗎吳鳳山被請辭了 |
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吳鳳山董事長是辭職了 沒有錯對啊 他被請辭 他自己講的被請辭啊人事的部分是由總統府在做作業所以你也不知道 你不敢講來 我們就看到來 交通部你看到今年的觀光利差1500億喔1500億喔 其實只要路客來的話通通結局的 |
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那個 副主委要不要講一下你為什麼不開放入客 讓入客來多一點這個就達到達標 你們要達一千萬的目標現在都達不到啊各位報告我想我們這個考慮這個開放入客我想這部分還是要必須考慮到我們國內的整個情境啦那現在大陸 陸委會的關係啦副主委講一下啦 副主委要講一下啦副主委講一下啦 |
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我們已經有去函對岸 請他們能夠回函給我們然後我們啟動觀光小兩會的對談最近不是你們也辦一個團在北京辦一個北京來報導的一個Enter會是你們辦的啊那個是我們的台旅會辦的所以我們對觀光的態度一向是很open只是對面遲遲沒有給我們正式的回覆 |
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你們可以更open一點你從那個五黃山被換成蘇嘉軒就知道你們兩岸的關係就希望讓他繼續惡化嘛就是惡化才符合你們的政治利益嘛我們絕對沒有希望要惡化我們希望兩岸關係穩定沒有 如果這樣搞的話老實講啊這個陸委會都可以拆掉了啦這個陸委會不交流委員會啊實在是好 謝謝 謝謝賴委員接下來我們請賴會員委員 |
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謝謝主席 有請主記長還有國化會 國科會主委經濟部次長 交通部次長委員好國科會副主委交通部經濟部國發會還有國科會各位早安 |
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我也是賴委員那其實我們財政委員會向來我們的傳統跟文化大家其實基本上都是溫和的那今天有很多委員會的那個其他委員會的官員到這個地方來我希望就是讓我們所有的財政委員會的委員還有信賴的委員都可以真的是大家互相信賴可以真正的把這個 |
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我們在預算審查裡頭的憲政僵局是不是試著試著可以有機會來打破那我們大家都知道說距離那個本會計年度的結束只剩下七八天了那令人遺憾就是說民眾黨跟國民黨兩黨 |
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他就是把115年度的總預算現在還卡在程序委員會沒有辦法進到委員會來實質的一個審查那我相信在座的各位也非常的清楚立法院不可能在剩餘的幾天把所有的預算審查完畢可是這個不僅是程序的問題也是行政效能的問題那在這裡本席要代表我們基層群眾的一個焦慮是不是這個僵局有沒有辦法 |
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那個打開那對老百姓的一個衝擊有多大主席我想在這裡請教你這個115年度3000億的新興計劃那他的會影響他的內容會影響到哪一個部會是最嚴重的會不會像美國一樣就是說預算沒過我們的公務人員有有沒有辦法繼續領薪水有沒有辦法繼續領薪水會不會像美國政府一樣關門停板 |
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主委長依照規定他那個法定的一個支出是可以支出的啦但是他就是新興的計畫就受到限制那這裡面呢主要就是說對直轄市和縣市的一個補助這個會影響因為會衝擊地方的一個整個的 |
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一個調度然後裡面重點還有一些是屬於相關縣市管河川的一個治理和整治那這個影響到將來災害來的時候這個部分我們必須在提前來作為所以這個部分 |
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就會有影響到很大那重點還有一個就是TPAS因為TPAS之前它是編載那個前瞻計畫所以在115年它是視為新增計畫那會影響到將近98萬的一個通勤組的一個權益那再來還有一個就是健康台灣70億的部分那會強調我整個一個 |
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疫苗研發的一個能量還有藥品這樣聽起來是每一個部會都會受到很大的一個影響那公務人員我比較關心的是公務人員領得到薪水嗎薪水是可以領到薪水是可以領得到的沒有問題所以說在未來就是說在地方政府的一個新興計畫還是中央政府的新興計畫顯然是沒有辦法推動的 |
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對 新興計畫還有一個就是原來經常性的支出或者是原系性的計畫比去年還多出的這個部分這個部分有將近1805億那裡面有主要是國防部的一些相關的油料 彈藥的供給還有一個就是交通部的相關那個所謂的鐵路地下化相關的一個機會好 主席長 我知道 |
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這個就是所有的部會都會受到很大的一個影響那中央政府會不會關門應該不會啦應該不會啦所以預算有沒有過沒有關係只是會影響到很多基層就是我們這些民眾他所有就是說不管是日常生活十一住行裡頭每一樣都會受到影響或多或少 |
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是 當然薪水是不會影響但是整個國家的一個相關的一個建設人民的一個權益都會受到影響所以可以不可以這樣講說國家陷入高度的一個不確定性我可以這樣說嗎好 謝謝主計長請回那接著國防會副主委我想請教你一個就是說在機器人 |
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這個智慧機器人的一個聚落會不會淪為空頭支票因為他就是在本席本席的一個選區裡頭不管是他的一個六甲的那個機器人的那個研發中心還是說在柳營那個機器人的第三期的一個聚落的一個行程會不會受影響 |
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跟委員報告一下我們這一次的新計劃裡面AI新時代裡面有明天編的311元然後我們大概會受影響的有107億元委員關心你會受影響有多少會受影響有多少有107億 |
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107億的話你顯然就是說像我們在地方一直就是幫你們招商這個會不會導致廠商對地方政府失去信心顯然你也會延宕到地方的一個發展主委我想大家都面臨到這樣的一個困難所以就是說 |
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5244.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
5259.949 |
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我覺得你們可能就是說兩位副主委你們對於智慧機器人這個產業聚落在未來的一個研發可能在因為它是一個起步那我們也知道全世界就是機器人這個產業其實是非常競爭的 |
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那我們有這麼好的一個AI的一個機器人的一個聚落那如果因為就是經費沒有辦法到位的時候顯然會造成地方很大的影響你們要去準備配套的一個措施所以我們會希望大院儘快的通過我們總預算的審查讓相關的計畫可以持續的推動 |
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那個我也是希望啊不然我在這裡來請教那個經濟部這個民生的一個治水我想這個盲目的一個杯葛讓我們其實在整個台南西北的鄉親的生命的財產受到很大的一個影響那 |
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| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
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這個在我們看到了就是說那個在之前提出來的因應氣候的一個變遷強化就是黃紅的一個韌性那我們有很多治水的一個預算那顯然就是說在我們台南後壁這個清寮抽水站的改建工程本來已經核定他3.1億的那現在有辦法推動嗎 |
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跟委員報告這個可能還是要經過我們這一大院的這個預算的審查過之後我們才可以來動之因為那這個部分影響的台南的部分大概有十億左右的預算那這些都是非常重要的治水預算再包括像後壁還有精療排水抽水站的興建的這個部分 |
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所以次長我知道你是台南人你也是西北你的故鄉也在西北那顯然就是說這樣的一個淹水如果政府已經看到年年淹水年年沒有辦法改善為什麼呢其實這個水液裡頭跟村子裡頭它同時存在了可是這個時間太久了水液沒有達到這個輸菌的一個效果 |
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變成每次落雨 每次淹水淹一百都是到層頭結果所有在層頭裡頭的人就在看待你的政府就是說你是不是可以花大錢幫我們來做這種輸菌跟滯洪的工程顯然就是卡住了 |
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是卡住了所以這個這個也是我們也希望就是說應該應該就是說大家大家要齊心同理因為這個政治上的一個攻防是必須必須要的可是如果就是兩黨的一個對立這麼嚴重的話甚至還影響到就是說通情的一個 |
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危機這個也是交通部你來做一個補充你看喔顯然這個T-PICE這個南高屏的生活圈的一個斷吹的一個風險他呈現在馬上就呈現在這裡面了明年的1月1號你這個通勤就是受影響了那該怎麼辦 |
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所以我跟委員報告剛講這TPAS主席長也有提到說影響大概98萬人我想要跟委員做一個更新最新的資料其實它已經變成到102也就是說TPAS其實受國人的通行的需求非常的大是 它是一個成功的一個政策一個成功的社會福利那現在沒有錢的話你有沒有什麼應變的方式呢 |
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現在因為沒有辦法 依照這個規定他沒有審大約如果沒有審的話我這個預算是沒有辦法來動之的那就是到明年1月1號就斷催了對 我就沒有錢可以支付那怎麼辦 那如果我是通行組的話我的業票不能使用變成我自己要掏錢去買這些業票嗎所以希望大約盡快把這個預算審過所以會陷入到1月1號就會陷入到這樣的一個困境就是沒有錢可以支應 |
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好 謝謝謝謝次長再來運動部的一個改制後的一個斷吹的一個危機那顯然這個是不是這個總預算談在立法院那這個運動部也一樣他只能就是沿用體育署的一個經費所以這個運動部顯然就是 |
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他沒有錢也做不了事情所以我想這個呈現出來的都是困境所以我在這裡我還是要跟各位再做一個那個報告就是說主計長我說的一個斷吹這個是不是行政運作的一個斷吹還是國家政策的一個斷吹這個 |
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都會讓國家受到很大很大的一個傷害那如果我們拿民生來當政治的一個籌碼的話我相信這個就是大家都輸人民也輸 政府也輸大家都輸 |
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那本席在這裡具體要求就一週內提出緊急應變的一個報告計畫到我的辦公室那請主計總處跟相關部會針對的受影響的一個新興計畫不管是治水產業還是TPAS這些計畫就涵蓋在裡面盤點預算卡關的一個衝擊跟補救的一個措施我們盡量讓國人的權益不受政治僵局的一個損害謝謝大家 謝謝主席 |
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好 謝謝賴委員接下來我們請郭國文委員謝謝主席首先先請主計長請陳主計長委員好 |
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主席長 我稍微統計一下此次的這個總預算的覆違應該是史無前例當中最晚覆違的紀錄那從陳水扁總統到馬英九總統蔡英文總統至今那審裁預算本來就是立法院的權利但同時也是義務但過去 過去從來但是從憲法的這個規定當中 |
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這個總預算應該是在11月30號要預決但是從2000年到現在25個年度沒有一年是11月底審完的那甚至只有三個年度是12月底之前刪讀它是因為要選舉那今年呢是更誇張到現在還沒有復為這是創紀錄 |
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那就如同在野黨的那個團體說在批評在野黨它不應該是據審而應該是延審那要看到的是如果回想一下我們這個會期的時候藍白立委口口聲聲都要服國立民都要推動這個民生法案 |
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但是後來就推動政治法案甚至連總預算都不審這哪來的福國利民這哪來的注重民生結果跑去中國之後回來又接受了新的任務又開始背個1.25兆的國防特別預算可是我們要去問的是說現在這邊這個問題這麼嚴重將來不是115年度 116年度 117年度可能都會變常態化 |
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如果都常態化的情況底下一來我們稅收非常的增加那二來呢我們的新興計畫卻不能進行新興計畫是一個投資性的一個國家未來這種情況底下只有鬥爭沒有民生只想內耗卻不顧未來主席長你有沒有什麼樣的好的方法來面對這個問題在面對政治困境當中你身為一個主席長你也是一個政務任命你當然去思考這個政治問題要怎麼去面對主席長請 |
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是 我們還是希望說大院能夠儘速來審議總預算因為這攸關到人民的一個相關的權益還有整個國家的一個發展尤其現在我們的這時刻那包括我們的那個相關的國防的一個預算也請大院能夠支持 |
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對 除了大院支持之外你還沒有什麼其他的方法譬如講 你未來預算的當中你就盡量不用新興計畫用過去的預計劃當中來做延續把新興的可能性來做延續有沒有可能這種方式但是延續的計畫如果超過上年度的一樣還是被管制到所以我們今年超過上年度的有1805億然後新興的是1017億這樣子 |
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對 金額上待會我們還會再做討論而不只是新興計畫連一般性的計畫都可能受到影響甚至是這個救災的相關的預算可是我的問題是說在政治上的一個效應當中它最後的結果就是讓現有的這個新興計畫一般新興計畫是有政見的落實就是一個總統的政見的落實讓你總統的政見不能落實到時候批說你這個政見跳票會不會造成這樣的結果 |
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有可能那因為像114年度有很多的一個經費是被刪減的譬如說像有一些相關的經常性的業務經費那像院裡頭的一個那個新聞服務的業務那幾乎被刪減那幾乎沒有經費可以維持那你如果照這樣來講它整個是經常的一個維持是有困難的又比照去年的一個額度來執行它整個是遭遇到比較大的一個 |
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所以我們來換算整個金額就如同你今天所報告新興計畫的部分的經費是高達1017億1017億的情況底下可是你經常性的支出跟延續性的計畫又不能超過前一年 |
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这边的经费就高达1805亿然后如果再加上预备金 灾防准备金170亿不能动的话加起来是2992亿这也就是为什么今天招偶会排这一个3000亿的这一个不能动制预算所以说它包括的层面不只是新兴计划还有包括其他那现在就所有的这一个内容当中就列举这些内容这个内容都是一些民生法案 |
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甚至小朋友未来一起养的部分这个300亿也会受到影响吗也会受到影响还有一些未来投资AI的部分也会受到影响最近的天灾又不断AI建设是102亿受到影响AI的部分是102亿受到影响那小朋友呢 |
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小朋友0到6岁一起养的部分这个部分是主要是说我们有一个生育补助将近41亿元那会影响到12万新生儿的一个其实新生儿的金额大概多少41亿41亿 |
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這些都說 更何況最近天災不斷連這個災害準備金都會受到影響對 災害準備金50億它也是會受到影響好 那我接下來請經濟部的這個次長經濟部的次長還有文化部的次長請上來一下 請何次長還有文化部的次長委員好 |
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市長 剛剛救災的部分我們至少還有提到說當然是颱風有一個特別預算但是它是在災休搶休的預算我們分配到大概13.11在台南市的部分但是你如果最後一個未來的強韌性的一個部分的話那很可能需要的是一個新興計畫來去強化 |
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我記得三個月行政院有拍板定案一個1000億的治水預算這治水預算算新興計畫嗎是 算新興計畫四年要編定650億四年是1000億然後目前這個部分的盤點很多在台南的部分都已經納入其中了是那接下來這些計畫不都停擺了嗎對所以還是想請大院趕快審查通過這個預算 |
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不是大院請藍白接下來你如果這個預算都沒有辦法的話你還沒有其他的部分可以做一個稍微補救或補強目前應該是沒有相關的預算可以來運賜那個次長現在聽起來是很無奈都完全沒有爭取了半天就預算都卡關文化部 |
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文化部那個李赤李赤最近我們有一筆經費是再造歷史現場的計畫這個總是舊的一個計畫了吧這不會被卡關吧高雅委員再造歷史現場是新興計畫所以這個三億多預算會受到影響所以 |
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115年當中我們選區當中有一個重要的文化資產跟古蹟的修復在我的選區當中就有八案外加金潭店的部分九案的這個部分本來10月已經再度召開協調會在11月的時候你們說會有一個出審的結果不知道這出審的結果目前的狀況怎麼樣 |
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目前還在審議中月底我們大概12月底到1月應該會把它完成12月底完成可是我們在追問的過程當中你們還要等待主席總署那個主席長還有一個直轄市各縣市財力分期表還沒有出來 |
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主席又卡到这一关 怎么一回事是 我们最近因为那个345亿重新分配以后它的财力它的财力级距又做变更所以我们最近又再签一次给院长是因为财务法第一次修法的版本的调整吗 |
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调整之后第二次又345亿又重新分配的第二次不附属啦不是 那个是另外一个是对 第三次对 它有好几次的一个修正那你这一个财务分级表也会影响到整个未来这个整个中央相关部会因为你这个分级表来做一个资源的配置也会影响到也会影响那你这个什么时候出来 |
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不是 那第一个县市的一个财力分级我们会先签办出来那第二个就是签办出来之后就会给部会去让他去做对 那什么时候出来我问你就是分级表什么时候出我们已经签给院长了已经签给院长了是麻烦跟院长再讲一下不然各部会无所适从新姓的不行 延续姓的不行全部都卡在那边这天灾不断有一些修复成本只会越来越高不会越来越少好 那主席长请回好 最后再请教一家交通部交通部 |
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消防部次長來 請吳次長 |
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五次台南市有相當多的一些新興的軌道計畫當中除了鐵路地下化我現在一個一個問好鐵路地下化會不會受到影響預算鐵路地下化它是原系性的就比較不會影響那個藍線的部分還是不能超過三個年度的就不能超過之前的一個平均那個藍線的部分 |
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他是欣欣所以欣欣就很困難沒有辦法就沒有辦法 完全動不了譬如台南市政府要動的話台南市政府要自己想辦法中央的錢沒有辦法到位沒有辦法到那你最近一個最新的微笑南灣計畫呢微笑南灣也沒辦法因為是屬於欣欣的 |
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韋孝南彎也沒辦法 對那能不能先行規劃有沒有可能規劃當然 計劃會有沒有可能現在就是剛剛講的因為他總共的經費他在這一次審議他完全沒辦法下來的話我就沒辦法動連計劃會都不行對 沒辦法 因為這是新型計劃但是完全沒有辦法執行 對好 謝謝好 謝謝郭委員接下來我們請中央嘉賓委員 |
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主席 參訪委員先進列席的任務監事長 官員 會長 公眾夥伴媒體 記者 女士先生那麼因為今天要問的問題很分散我先預告一下有哪些部門先準備包括主計總處經濟部 交通部 勞動部 衛福部但是不用一下都上來我會先預告那有下一題會問到的時候再會請還有教育部跟運動部好 |
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那麼首先請主席總處陳主席長然後衛福部請準備好 那剛剛這個郭委員這個中委員有點到名的就依序上台準備好 來 先看一下剛剛郭委員說得好不是本院 不是大院是國民黨民眾黨造成的那我們早來收爛攤子來 這邊說到因為衛經審議不得動之的影響到這麼多那這裡面包括一背經 二背經 |
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那現在我們看到了你們的報告寫的主計長整體貨配財源低於今年度的排名第一的就是屏東縣對不對那你的說法是什麼那這種情況之下怎麼辦要他舉債因應嘛你是不是叫我們要舉債因應我們屏東已經夠財力夠差了要舉債除了舉債有沒有其他的方法 |
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因為屏東它整個是負28你說多少 負28對 第一個它會碰到的一個年關的調度年關調度 新人能不能發得出來 |
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就是年關調數就是所謂的薪水包括年關獎金那我問一下因為題目很多我先問一下我們除了借錢之外我們有沒有辦法像過去人家說窮人家的孩子懂得上進因為沒有錢補習會特別自己K輸我們以前都是靠競爭型計畫請問我們明年還有競爭型計畫可以去努力來補這些缺口嗎 |
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不是 競爭型計畫也是要看當然啦 我們如果不夠好也是沒有嘛那請問競爭型計畫明年有變少嗎是有少啦對嘛 所以你看我們除了舉債想靠自己努力去參加競爭型競賽競爭型計畫看我們表現好一點可以多拿到結果整體的競爭型計畫也縮水嘛好 來下一個 我們請衛福部 |
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來 市長很高興看到你可是我們心情很難過社安網2.0我們看到這些經費少了多少本來是預併400億我們本來今年要明年要增加819億對不對我們新增的現在這樣子現在都沒有了嘛還能只能400億嘛我們去年我們這些從事的社區的人員他們是不是需要加薪 |
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需要啊 我們這個擴充的經費年資升了 專業提高了要給他加薪嘛 人事要提高嘛我們的拓點 這些社區的點我們覺得很好 要拓點有辦法拓嗎如果沒有新增預算我們沒有辦法增額沒有辦法拓嘛 增額本來名額有限我們在排床位 在等名額結果呢 你們明年要擴充一倍以上現在沒了 我們是不是增額也沒了 |
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報告委員就是說如果真的預算沒有審查的話那我們就是照原來今年度我們不能超過所以要新增的要擴增的沒有辦法做所以我們要新增的服務對象獨居老人新手父母近貧人口受影響侵害的暴力者這些我們都沒有辦法照顧新增的會沒有辦法做原來的我們寄望原來的人他可以加薪他可以拓展他可以增加名額也都沒了他要增加的我們只能照原來現有的除了這個以外還有下一個影響醫療跟健康 |
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我們去年我們要這邊本來要做的是什麼五大核心要強化藥品原料生產製造儲存及智慧調控能力就是要怎樣藥物韌性是因為我們自己國內的藥品供應是相對脆弱的是的今年有一些缺藥的問題對不對對明年有辦法改善 |
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我們想辦法但是其實整個體質上就是藥品供應鏈的整個體質還有我們自己國產藥品甚至還有我們整個Peer Center就是整個供應的這個我們有一個供應中心這個部分都在新興計劃裡面所以如果沒有審如果沒有審我們就沒有辦法做可能缺藥惡夢會再出現囉 |
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我們當然盡量想辦法能夠維持我們的供應可是也報告委員我們很多自己國產藥我們必須要去輔導我們自己來自己做不然全部靠國外的話廠商一不給我們就沒有了所以很重要要省不省可能今年遇到的事情明年會繼續發生好 那麼勞動部請準備我接著再報告委員這是非常重要的一個我們的藥品供應韌性體質的改變真的拜託大院支持好 衛福部還有一題來往下看好 |
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我說今年考上明年入學無望健康台灣是我們賴總統的深耕計畫第一階段今年這些單位 屏隆 屏機 衡旅 |
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不平 安泰 福音 訪療醫院 保健這些物理治療師公會他們都在今年被你們評審通過了明年可以參加這個計畫對不對那如果錢沒有省明年他們可以參加嗎有錢可以給他們嗎我們生根計畫的話因為它是四年它也是一個延續但是我們大概就不能再擴增那也不敢確定說能夠持續原來的一個案子可以繼續做所以我們看到這個計畫我們就很開心我們要去考 |
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結果榜單公佈說我們考上了明年可以入學可能明年的預算額不夠分配是不是這樣我們會擔心接下來沒有辦法延續今年考上明年入學無望謝謝次長我們現在看勞動部部長你還有一題沒關係來先問勞動部來生育補助10萬新生兒的公托沒了嗎我們請教兩個部這些對象12萬胎的新生兒的家庭本來要補足到10萬的勞動部 |
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有辦法嗎你們勞保的部分是最少的不是說人數最少是人數最多但是相對金額是比較不足10萬的我們大概有快31的經費31的經費就沒有辦法執行所以這10萬人的勞工朋友他們就辦法補到10萬衛護部你們哪些要照顧 |
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國保我們就是對這邊就是國保或原來國保沒有辦法納進去的我們希望說他在生育補助全部都拉到拉到10萬那因為這是新興計劃所以如果這次預算沒有省這個部分沒有過的話我們沒有辦法做這個好那另外你們補助地方政府的公共托育對屏東縣本來有三個公托是不是也沒了我們這邊公托的預算如果是這樣的話也會受到影響大概有40億 |
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OK 好 我們很心酸經濟部接下來問經濟部還有後面交通部再來是教育部來 經濟部請教一下我繼續講你們一邊聽 次長 |
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我們看到了我們看到原來的這些明年的年度的業務預算本來是在特別預算當中的八年八百億後來製水預算結束後你們把它轉成常態性的業務經費但是也是屬於新增的所以如果說今年沒有省這些原來在已經結束的製水預算要回歸到我們業務單位來編的是不是就受到影響 |
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是不是這個115年度因為你們這些就是把原來延續原來治水計劃那這個還有沒有那個是屬於新興計劃所以還是要請院裡面通過之後所以除了特別預算原來在我們的8年的前瞻計劃我們要把它長年度的業務計劃結果它是新興所以也沒了我們牛浦溪排水中林排水治理今年淹水的明年是不是命定要繼續淹 |
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我們還是要趕快來通過這筆預算我們趕快來做治理的工作所以我們看到中央政府在過去的前瞻八年的前瞻計畫當中到去年結束後明年要轉入到我們的年度計畫但是也是屬於新型計畫如果預算沒有省 明年這些錢沒有我們屏東的鄉親要繼續淹水是不是很可憐 |
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是好 我們往下看來 交通部高屏2塊來 TPUS我就不用講了很多人講了南高屏我們的通行有805萬人受影響11億那這個東西像第二塊 |
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我們本來預計明天要動工了沒辦法執行沒辦法執行了沒有 沒辦法執行市長再講一次我要讓屏東鄉親知道如果說屏東籍出身的國民黨的立法委員包括部分區的民眾的立法委員如果蘇清泉 如果林國成他們不省今年的預算明年 屏東東西江二塊就沒有了是不是這樣子來 我跟委員報告高屏東二塊它屬於新生計畫所以如果大園這邊沒有審議通過我經費沒辦法動資 |
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所以說我們不曉得何年何月但是一定會延宕至少延宕一年以上一定延宕如果這樣一定會延宕好 謝謝我們繼續看我們教育部跟運動部來有一個廣告這個市長是你有沒有看過Uber的廣告有 |
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有的點得到 有的點不到眼藥水點得到 眼淚點不到我最近常看的廣告我看看我們現在如果這樣不省預算的話薪水領得到 但是校舍修不到是不是這樣子你們國立大學的耐震補強15億高級中學 國立的高中的這些3億我們屏東有沒有國立大學有沒有國立中學有那如果這些預算不省 薪水有沒有照領但是校舍有沒有辦法修 |
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沒有辦法 因為這是我們新興計畫我們預計五年內要來完成150來 運動部 次長在嗎來 次長 辛苦你了來 我們很關注運動賽事我們努力的屏東在打造一個運動大線如果說運動部長明天的薪水領得到 領不到那不是新興計畫運動部雖然是新的部會但是部長的薪水是照領但是這些賽事能辦嗎 |
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報告委員 那個部分當然就很可惜所以說啊 薪水領得到 校色秀不到運動比賽辦不出來 好 再往下看來 經濟部 對不起又讓你們上來了 經濟部來 最後一項 時間關係來 本席在上週才成立一個台灣與亞太國會無人載具聯盟 |
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目的就是說這幾年來我們看到無人載具新興發展我們政府也積極在推動對不對無人載具不是軍事國防才用得到各行業都用得到是不是是那現在如果這些計畫受到影響那我們是不是無人機到處用得到買不到 會不會這樣也沒辦法控制這一筆預算所以說今天我很沉痛的剛剛請了幾個部會來我要跟我們屏東的鄉親全體的國人說明 |
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如果立法院 國民黨跟民眾黨堅持不省預算明年我們國民的待遇就是這麼慘謝謝謝謝總委員接下來我們請羅明財委員主席 各位出列習慣的主席 請主席長好 請陳主席長 |
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陳主席長委員好你好你上任多久了一年多一年多了朱哲銘你認不認識是 他我們前主席長這三四十年以來從來也沒有說什麼 |
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那個會出現總預算案然後未審要排這個三千多億然後要叫各部會來這邊然後演出一場戲就是說都不審都不審會出現什麼狀況那陳主計長我請問你以前有沒有出過狀況以前也是有你對這個事情急不急 |
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當然急啊 因為預算沒有等於通過那請問你急的話你為什麼不找方法來處理呢你們以前說罵那個朱哲銘罵罵罵他有哪一次出現問題有需要這樣勞斯動眾然後來演出一個二頭殺三四的一個議會嗎 |
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這演給誰看啊每個還點名每個縣市然後把所有的事項一一排列出來這為了什麼一看就知道有一些人要選縣長有一些人要選市長在安排什麼大內宣 是不是政治提前開打開玩笑啊立法院這裡又不是第一天演出這個什麼戲啊 |
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所以我們還是肯定委員能夠來促成審查你說急不急 急那我在立法院30年每一個主計長 立任的部長有問題要溝通嘛你有沒有請教過朱哲銘怎麼溝通本辦公室你有沒有來過你什麼時候來過有嗎 你上一次是什麼時候來的 |
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你集立法院不過113個立委你為什麼不多花一點時間去溝通一下你集在哪裡呢我今年一年度從來沒看到你來跟我講過什麼啊以前歷任的朱哲銘歷任的主計長那你有沒有去跟韓院長請教過有嗎 |
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上次是什麼時候幾年前對 幾個月之前各位親愛的文武百官各位親愛的鄉親都聽到了 |
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不要演戲了演這個什麼雜戲雜報的戲你就是三千億嘛那我再問一下現在可以各縣市的情況連關將至有沒有哪一個縣市因為薪水發不出來會倒的 有沒有因為他目前連關要求調度的部分將近一千多億啦對 有沒有哪一個縣市政府會倒的 |
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你回答我嘛有沒有哪一個縣市政府會倒的這個要看他整個一個一個能夠舉借額度的一個情形不要講那個喔我也不敢說你是內行人外行人講外行話中華民國在這裡沒有一個縣市倒過嘛你手上都有資金可以用啊 |
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你知道你上面所講的114年度 115年度你的稅率變多少稅率的部分是不是請財政部來說明這個你自己寫的2兆8000多億2兆8623億那我請問你10年前的時候稅率是多少 |
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一兆多嘛所以主席長你已經多了一兆多然後每天在那邊哭窮然後那邊喊說快倒了這邊衛生紙買不出來了總統府連那個燈都打沒有電可以開連衛生紙 上廁所都沒有衛生紙連普渡要拜拜的時候乖乖都買不起好可憐喔 |
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主席長好可憐喔好 那問妳現在國防預算一次要提一兆兩千億是不是一兆兩千五百億那要不要讓他過 |
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希望大院能夠支持希望委員支持我也支持啊 那個一次過右手一過就是一兆兩千五百億你今天三千億把各部會叫過來然後我好窮 我好可憐那個一兆兩千五百億是分八年對 有分不管啦就是那麼大的一筆數字你每次來這邊就是要錢要錢你能不能哪一次來是講一個不要錢的事 |
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然後要錢你又不溝通然後我們不同意好像我們是不是罪魁禍首都是問題出在我們那你要問問你們編的合不合理還有你有沒有來溝通過 |
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你從來沒有來溝通過那我問你為什麼在王金平王院長的時代這個是風調雨順 國泰民安什麼事情都會圓滿解決你們有沒有嘗試溝通過 |
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沒有 都沒溝通過然後每次來這邊演給大家看我們好可憐 我們不行你不行的話你明天 今天你隨時可以去委員那邊溝通了解清楚不是像今天所有的委員喊來喊去 不行的話長照會怎麼樣小朋友會怎麼樣念書都是語帶威脅的方式來挖坑給立委跳 |
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省預算不是這樣子的吧主委長 是明年的經濟成長率是多少我們預估是7.37以上啦會往上走啦另外一個單位說3點多啦好 今年的今年是7點多啦今年年初的時候你講多少 |
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今年的話就是去年去年的時候妳告訴我們經濟成長率是多少預估是多少妳講3點多變5點多 |
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那今年經濟成長率也7.3多了嘛其實要給大家一個概念就是國庫其實是兵強馬壯國家是很有錢的你們不要說騙不懂的老百姓說什麼要做到3000億剛剛我隨便一講你不是講一兆2500億嗎 |
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1兆2500億是分8年所以1年才1600多億是對 你要想10年前我們的稅出也才1兆8000億現在你們稅出的預算是多少3兆多1兆8變到3兆多 |
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各位啊 多了一兆五千億你還說什麼事情都動之不了什麼事情都非常的拮据這聽不進去啊 |
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不是 我們是以國家要發展建設的一個相關的需要還有人民福祉的一個需求所以我們是希望說這個預算能夠盡量來審查然後能夠來使用這樣主委長 是在現在可以說是國家財源非常豐沛的時候我們的負債 現在負債有多少負債是財政部負責的但是我們目前大概兩兆 |
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7481.348 |
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7492.06 |
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那國債中的情況現在是怎麼樣你這樣什麼事情都要問財政部那你限財政部於不仁不義喔 |
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7513.324 |
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所以財政部在他大樓外面寫的國債中的數字你們通通不去看喔連組計長這個事情都不知道那全台灣有誰會知道所以國債中的部分連國家負債多少你都不知道目前是你這預算怎麼編啊 |
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但是我們中央的國債中這是含地方的部分啦所以這個部分是本身我請那個部長講給你聽總部長他都推給你啊那你要講兩句話嘛 對不對中華民國財政的情況好不好會不會破產現在的國債中是往下還是往上 |
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委員對於債務的控管財政部一直都是非常的謹慎在做那國債中根據12月19號是253,000他是含長短債都算在內 |
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那是屬於可控的範圍我們對於債務的控管都非常嚴謹因為我們一定要遵守公債法那國家的財務狀況好還是不好國家的財務狀況在我們在相關的嚴謹的控制之下我們的財務狀況是應該在國際上是受到肯定的而且是獲得非常好的評價我就覺得你做都是賺很多錢 |
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而且稅收非常的充沛但是問題是委員你看嘛 連續八年來稅收每年超增大概超過八千多億通通都是有錢的但是稅收好同時我們也要多做建設然後對於民眾照顧所以在稅出的部分也希望大院能夠緊述審議那對於新興計畫 新增計畫都能夠執行而且對於115年的預算數超過14年的執行數也才能夠執行謝謝委員 |
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7630.174 |
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所以現在一整天討論下來大家都知道結論了就是要溝通嘛 對不對你執政的現在國會是少數就是40%即便是陳水扁的時代也是兩個字啊溝通再溝通 |
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7632.11 |
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沒有事情解決不了問題你連溝通都不溝通連立法院113個立委的辦公室幾年去一次半年去一次多久見到韓院長半年才溝通這個不是正確的行為嗎好 謝謝好不好 多多請教一下上一任朱哲銘人家是怎麼做的啦好不好 謝謝 |
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7670.827 |
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好 謝謝羅委員今天這一個報告專題很嚴肅這不是在演戲那如果要溝通的話也希望能夠赴會之後來做溝通接下來我們請林思明召委謝謝主席我先請國防部徐副部長還有內政部董事長請徐副部長 請任一個董事長 |
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7718.892 |
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副部長還有次長我先請問兩位戰不贊成軍警的加薪戰不贊成要編入預算委員好我們國防部已經給志願役跟戰鬥部隊加起今年以來不是我說你戰不贊成這一次我們立法院三讀通過的這個公布的這個相關的法律對於軍人加薪這個法案你戰不贊成 |
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7719.502 |
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7729.001 |
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我們跟行政院的立場是一樣 一樣好 那個內政部你贊不贊成我們這一次透過的我們跟警察人士條例的相關的修法 |
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要跟委員報告警察人事條例的加薪的部分我們立場跟院是一致的而且要跟委員說明所有的加薪必須要一體適用而不是針對特別的地項所以這樣子特別特定地項都會造成整個公務體系跟運作上面的不公平也就是說你們不贊成是不是我們立場跟行政院一樣立場跟行政院一樣好 兩位請回接下來我們請主席長請主席長 |
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委員好 處理長我請教你啦這個立法院以三讀通過且公佈的法律案還有預算提案是否屬於必須編列的預算 |
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是 我們原則上是希望盡量來編列但是因為它本身它以那個財政紀律法有違它必須要先籌措裁員 相關的裁員那第二個所以我們對於它執行的一個部分有滋生疑義所以我們申請釋憲所以這個部分我們以後就是等釋憲的一個結果我們來釋憲請醒來編列 |
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是那個 署長我要告訴你其實立法院三讀通過的軍人待遇條例警察人員人事條例這些修正案在114年4月25號就已經總統公佈 |
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7809.454 |
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7832.209 |
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也就是說這相關的法律已正式公佈生效對於已經正式公佈生效的法律行政院主計總處在預算編列算你還有選擇執行的權利嗎這是你的義務喔你可以選擇執行嗎對於立法院三讀通過的法律你可以違背這樣的一個憲政的義務嗎 |
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7854.701 |
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我們還是一樣遵從醫院的一個指示那整個一個他對於整個的一個公務和包括所謂的各種公務人員的一個整個一個體制是破壞的所以這個部分呢在人種部分他會做整體的一個考量這個部分我們就會來遵循以上那個署長你的說法根本是違憲 |
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你這樣的說法當然跟行政院的說法如出一策當然包含國防部或者內政部對於軍人加薪我想他們心理上的基本態度應該是支持的但是由於行政院不執行所以你們現在又附和說對於這樣的不執行你們說行政院的態度這樣是違憲但違憲不是你們說的算 |
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違憲要經過大法官來解釋目前大法官也沒有作成暫時處分所以你們就有依法來執行這部法律的一個義務所以對於這相關的預算的編列上你根本沒有選擇執行的權利你就是要依法編列 依法行政將我們法律所生的支出需求如實的反映在我們的一個總預算的編列上 |
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7936.665 |
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所以你這樣的說法根本是違憲我們是遵照院的一個指示那本身的部分這個也是會是整個一個釋憲的一個結果來做一個辦理在釋憲未有結果前我想行政院的做法已經超越大法官了我想我們依照憲法增修條文第三條第二項第二款規定附議案如今立法院維持原決議的情況下行政院就應該接受該決議 |
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7939.126 |
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7964.028 |
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這個不是政治宣示 而是高度拘束的憲政義務這是憲政義務我想所有讀憲法的人都懂這樣的一個道理我不相信院長不懂所以主席長 副議被否決後在立法院維持原決議的情況之下是不是只能討論要如何執行而不能選擇是否要不要執行 |
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那這個部分整個是不是要執行其實院裡面包括院長就是只能討論如何執行而不是說選擇說我要不要執行要討論如何來做院裡面針對這個憲法沒有賦予你說你可以不執行的一個義務我想這樣的說法我想我們不能接受根本就是違憲的一個說法 |
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我想預算的編列權不可以成為實質否決立法院已通過法律的工具如果按照你們這樣的運作模式已經使立法權淪為形式存在不編列預算已經構成對立法權的實質架空立法院在這樣的情況之下 |
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| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
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是配破審查一份未完全依法編列的預算這樣的預算程序完全不符合憲政體制以及我們民主責任的一個政治的一個體制最後我想我也要告訴國防部還有內政部 |
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| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
还有主席长立法院通过我们军警人员的待遇退休福利的相关修法目的很清楚就是在于稳定国家的安全人力保障基层人员的基本生活在法律以民定权利内容的情况下 |
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行政院卻未在115年的預算中反映相關的支出以造成制度上有法規且有預算的結構性風險所以不依法編列預算根本就是顯示政府你說要提升國防任性的同時卻對所有軍警人員的努力付出根本是投下不信任票所以我想我還是要呼籲你們依法來編列相關的預算 |
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8069.534 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
8076.553 |
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好 署長你請回現在我請教育部還有運動部來 請教育部次長 運動部次長 |
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8085.279 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
8099.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
兩位市長我想上週一也就是12月15號財政委員會前往新竹縣竹北市考察國小體育設施與教育建設的實際狀況同時也同步檢視我們中央教育預算的執行落差 |
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8100.026 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
8125.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
目前我國面臨嚴重的高齡化 少子化的狀況但是本席的選區新竹縣卻是逆勢成長上週以我們走訪竹北新社國小 博愛國小中正國小 興隆國小 東興國小共五間小學走進校園以後我們實際看到各學校提出的都不是豪華的建設而是最基本的體育與教學改善空間 |
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| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
8153.069 |
| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
因為這些學校的操場 運動場 籃球場使用超過年限都有達到10到20年早已經超過使用年限必須以太舊換新我想如果繼續使用不免會增加孩子運動的風險我們的孩子每天在跑跳使用的這些空間不能因為場地的老舊維護不易而增加他們受傷的風險這個絕對是零容忍所以我請教 |
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| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
8185.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
教育部 運動部關於補助國中小學體育設施過去是否都是編列在我們教育部體育署向下更為報告如果是屬於基礎的運動設施是編在教育部如果是一些專業運經濟型的會在所以現在你們有做很明確的預算的一個分工是所以現在這幾所學校的相關預算是編列在教育部的國教署嗎還是體育部也有相關的預算 |
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| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
8215.855 |
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我們每年都會受理學校來提出有關於基礎運動設施的申請對 我知道我是說現在 剛才你講你現在這個運動部可能都是對於全民運動或者專業運動的設施的一個補助那這些對於國中小相關的體育設施的補助是現在是會編列在教育部國教署教育部國教署是不是 市長請回答一下是的 一般體育教學用的是編在國教署 |
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| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
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所以說如果我想了解如果說這一次我看到總預算會看到你們的報告如果說這一次總預算沒有省是否會影響我剛才所提的國中小他的教育設施的相關設備設施的一個補助會不會因為這個部分是歷年來都有是屬於延續性延續性跟經常性的一個設備的支出所以不受影響 |
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如果說我們有要增加預算的話就會受影響是 但是目前看來這些都是延續性 經常性的所以對於這個教育部你也講一下因為現在這個經費好像是編在教育部對不對在國教署但是我們另外有3.3億是要來補助足足秒地區的一個高中的校舍興建這就會受影響這是新興的資助項目這我了解 |
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所以我在這邊是對於說我們這次考察所爭取的這幾所學校的必要的運動設施的改善經費包括竹北博愛國小爭取270萬新社國小爭取560萬中正國小爭取596萬新隆國小644萬東興國小爭取1373萬 |
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8314.182 |
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這些都是很明確有急迫性的這些整件操場跑道與相關的籃球場還有跳遠場的相關的一個設施是否可以納入優先補助名單如果學校有提案的話我們會依程序來審查 |
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8315.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
8342.268 |
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好 謝謝我想教育不能等待也不能打折扣的一個投資面對新竹縣逆少子化帶來的結構性挑戰本席會持續站在第一線為新竹縣教育來打拼嚴格把關預算爭取資源我們希望教育部能夠會議補助讓每一分教育經費都用在我們真正孩子需要的身上好不好 體育部也一樣好 以上 謝謝謝謝委員 |
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好 謝謝林思敏 到位 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
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接下來我們請李坤澄召委質詢好 謝謝主席我要質詢的這個部會有點多所以我就先念然後等一下相關主題的時候再依序上來請主席邀請我們包含主計處財政部 交通部 勞動部衛福部 運動部 教育部好 請相關被點名的部會會員直接就到前面來 |
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| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
8411.26 |
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來 主席長 先請教一下這個總預算到現在都還沒有附違喔不是還沒有審查 連附違都沒有附違然後這個就您所知的話以前有這個中央政府的總預算到現在都還沒有附違的情況嗎大概沒有沒有 |
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8412.199 |
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8429.628 |
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我們去年已經拖了很久了去年至少到11月的時候有附委然後審查到今年的大概1月20幾號吧至少有審查 至少有附委今年是連附委都還沒有附委我看這個在野黨大概也不會讓他附委審查了 |
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8430.268 |
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8456.007 |
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所以我剛剛聽到這個我們林思明召委在幫他的選區來爭取這個地區訓練預算我心裡也感觸滿多的啦我們委員都希望能夠在中央爭取預算回到我們自己的選區但是如果連中央政府的總預算都沒辦法通過的話那怎麼可能說我在中央在擋預算然後在地方在爭取預算嘛這是矛盾的嘛那剛剛教育部是講得很含蓄 |
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這個在新竹市的部分的話新竹市 新竹縣 苗栗縣我們還特別針對了竹竹苗這個高級中等學校校舍補助有3億耶這是新的計畫嘛對不對 次長是是新的計畫啊新的計畫你要大聲說出來新的計畫3億元就受阻啦這就是在竹竹苗啊是對不對 |
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8485.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
8512.716 |
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今天讓各個部會來跟全民來講到底你們這些總預算新興的計畫還有包含延續計畫裡面的新增計畫裡面通過的問題在哪裡會影響有多少人特地安排了這一個專報就是要讓你們講出來那像市長你也沒有講出來啊你租住苗就是有3億元耶新增的計畫你就是沒辦法處理啊對不對 |
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剛剛也特別跟林委員報告說新竹市1.5億 新竹縣1.2億苗栗縣0.3億影響了580間新建教室會受到影響影響到2000名的學生權益這你們要當聲說出來啊完全沒有說出來那請問一下現在地方的這個總預算是不是應該都已經審查完均了 |
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8542.178 |
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大部分如果審查的話一定是有中央補助的預算如果中央補助的預算中央現在總預算沒辦法過對於地方的總預算影響會有多大 |
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8560.089 |
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8587.533 |
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補助地方的部分有507億元左右那這個部分受到影響就是在新興計畫的部分那這個部分他就會沒有辦法動之那他地方比較遭遇首先遭遇到的大概就是年關的一個調度那年關的調度就需要我們中央來對他來做一個協助那這個協助的部分我們也是希望能夠大院能夠趕快審查預算我們也盡量來協助地方來解決 |
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所以我們補助地方的507億那這個地方預算他們搞不好已經通過啦就在等中央總預算通過嘛 |
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| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
8621.665 |
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這個部分他們是列在稅入 稅入的部分這樣子對啊 那如果沒有補助的話 稅入就沒有沒有稅入的話怎麼有稅數咧因為我們會影響到了就是說我們在一般性補助裡面有一個321億對地方補助的差額補助那就是比較財力比較不好的一個縣市的一個補助這個部分會影響比較大這321億也沒有啊對 也沒有嘛 |
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8650.668 |
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所以還有507億是直接補助的地方還有中央自辦地方受益的還有130億對所以總共有637億是然後呢 這個經常性的這個費用但是我們是比114年新增加的部分1805億是這也含地方的嘛這個部分也有含地方但這個部分因為拆解比較困難所以這個部分我們沒有目前沒有拆解出來這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
8651.636 |
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8681.016 |
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好 我再請教一下交通部剛剛有提到這個TPASTPAS在我們這個新北 雙北這個北北陶基其實使用的人數高達52.8萬我們補助的金額是高達37億就是光是這個北北基陶全部啦全國的話是補助地方59億嘛那補助地方如果說這個總預算沒有通過的話給地方的補助就沒有了嘛 |
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8681.778 |
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8703.5 |
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包圍員 沒有那沒有 如果說地方要維持這個TPAS的話他們自己要付錢目前如果看起來是這樣因為中央要錢沒有辦法到位對啊 因為我們是這個補助這等於是補助59億給地方那下次他們要跟這個中央要補助是哪個時候 |
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8705.554 |
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8732.906 |
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如果說明年剛講一開始當然就明年1月1號開始他就會有影響 整個的影響會有所以如果說要維持TPAS能夠繼續運作的話地方政府要自己出錢可以這麼說我們沒有錢給補助了我們目前沒有辦法錢給他好 那個請運動部運動部是新興的部會這唯一新興的部會當然這個受到影響也是蠻大的那你們基本上是從體育署延續過來的 |
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那你們預算受到影響有38.8億那其中有30億是說補助地方政府辦理興建運動場館還有場地設施是不是包圍人士那這個大概是哪些設施勒 |
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8750.485 |
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8779.019 |
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包委員他主要是在全民運動推廣所需要一些設施還有一些專項的訓練場地檢疫運動場館等等其實是不少對於因為我們這一次主要的預算所以地方都報上來了嗎地方是有報上來的地方有報上來的那新北有沒有報新北有報新北報了什麼包委員那個整個清單我這邊目前你再給我所以也30億沒辦法補助到地方去了對 |
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8780.575 |
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8803.666 |
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好 那我再問一下這個勞動部跟衛福部我們有一個政策 生育給付差額補助都給他提到10萬塊那就是說 因為這個我們對象比如說勞保 國保 公教人員 農保跟軍人這個我們本來有撥補要撥補41.2億 |
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8834.389 |
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給這些對象大概有超過12萬人好 那請問一下這個不是每個對象都可以拿到10萬塊比如說勞保生育給付平均是7萬塊所以如果這個10萬塊沒有過就少了3萬塊所以他明年一樣領7萬塊那影響多少人 影響10.2萬人那國保的部分 |
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8836.141 |
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8856.44 |
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報告委員國保的話因為國保它其實就像委員這邊的資料國保這邊其實給的比較更少那尤其是國保的它很多基本上它是自己本身沒有在工作所以我們事實上這次編列的大概719就是希望能夠把這個國保這邊也補上來能夠讓它是10萬塊的補助所以它大概少領了6.1萬嗎是 主要這邊影響最多 |
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對啊 如果這10萬塊補下去的話我們的勞保的話可以多拿3萬平均來講啦我們的國保的話可以多拿6.1萬 |
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8868.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
8887.225 |
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主要就是希望說願意生育的女性她都能夠齊一的拿到這樣子10萬那沒有這10萬塊就沒有這些補助了嘛都還是維持原來的國保就維持原來的那主卸處知道嗎那公教人員咧是不是知道這個數字會少領著多少跟10萬塊的差額農保 軍人有這個數字嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
8890.421 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
8910.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
沒有這個數字等一下會後再提供給我就是說我們要補到10萬塊至少我手邊資料就是說勞保就少了3萬國保就少了6.1萬那這個是多少家庭他們在期待的就是說至少說今年過後我如果有生小孩的話我至少都可以領到這些的補助 |
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| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
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那現在沒有這些預算啊沒有這些預算的話那都受到影響啊然後包含這一個我們也有補助這個地方政府我自己新北市也有設立這一個公用公托嘛這些也都受到影響所以報告委員我們這邊其實在少子語化對策計畫2.0我們要做那個 |
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8932.176 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
8956.005 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
公共化的托育設施這一邊我們編了13億明年度那這個部分如果沒有新興計畫沒有過的話這13億沒有辦法下去那地方上面大家我想我們對於生育這邊除了剛剛講到的補助之外最重要的事情就是公托公幼公托這一塊那公托這一塊我知道我想委員也很關心大家都非常關心那大家也很需求這一塊的補助如果沒有新興計畫沒有過的話我們這塊補助沒有辦法出來那所以地方政府就自己出 |
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| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
8981.358 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
如果地方政府那就會是地方政府的財力跟地方政府的預算的狀況那沒辦法出這個公幼公托大家攜手爸媽都很期待說能夠增加公幼公托的名額我看這個大概這個機會也沒有了所以其實前面有委員提到說我們在喊窮喊可憐不是我們窮跟可憐是國家明明有錢但是我們應該要讓民眾人民能夠得到他需求的滿足而且我們照顧的是所有我們需要照顧的人民 |
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8982.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
9003.303 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
可憐的是人民啊官員照臉薪水可憐是人民你財政有 經費也有但是你撥不出去那請問一下這個主席總署新北市受到的這一個補助總共有多少會受到影響算了一下應該有15億啦 |
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9010.617 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
15億 包含T-PASS10.26 排水整治3.53還有無人載具0.57這些等等這個T-PASS影響到10億運動品牌賽事5000萬然後河川的整治3億5000萬 |
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9025.071 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
9029.594 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
然後教育部補助高中採購無人機還有課程4300萬文化部補助再造歷史現場1455萬內政部消防署補助無人機450萬這些加起來超過15億 |
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9045.186 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
9067.235 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
這是我新北市部分而已那我也希望說這個新北市的立委 不分黨派共同來支持那地方的議員也一直希望說我們中央的預算能夠通過那不然中央預算是沒辦法通過中央的補助就是零 就是落空對於每個縣市不是只有新北市的所有的計畫都會受到影響 |
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| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
9093.784 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
所以今天特別邀請所有受到影響的各個部會一起來參與這個專報就是要把你們所遇到的困難遇到的問題要跟全民來講有些新興的計畫你立法院沒有通過就是沒辦法用延續計畫可以新興計畫你超過快三千億就是沒辦法用藍白沒有點頭就是沒辦法用要把這個困境把它說出來謝謝 |
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9096.632 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
9101.416 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
謝謝主席 謝謝李坤臣召委接下來請顏寬恆委員質詢主席 各位練習官員大家早主席有請我們主席長秦城主席長 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
9150.245 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
委員好主席長早今天這個題目現在已經變成是一個政治問題了現在民進黨又開始從TPAS生育補助 疫苗接種防疫整備等等還有河川治水等議題來恐嚇民眾2025年已經要結束了今天是12月24號 |
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| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
9182.683 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
民眾都已經看破手腳了我在這邊已經可以預見說行政院的說辭一定是又是什麼租屋補貼這個發不出來還有買不到iPhone18還有可能速發部也會跳出來說沒有辦法買車票沒有辦法手機報稅實際上已經要2026了上面這些問題在去年一整年這個所有敘述的那個樣子好像是要世界末日一樣 |
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| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
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但是民眾一樣看到這一些假訊息假圖卡感覺說怎麼又來了 超級沒誠意這個說法也不會換一套我在這邊想要我只是想要說行政院能夠如實地去編列總預算那總預算馬上就可以付為審查馬上就可以付為審查 |
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應該要反過來回去問行政院為什麼沒有編列軍人加薪預算不編列警消海巡弟兄的退伏金主席講為什麼 |
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因为均衡预算的部分其实我们行政院这方面是非常重视的那我们也这几年一直都在加薪那但是因为它整个一个增加了将近加薪的部分将近300亿左右那这个部分呢按照财政纪律法应该要先从措财那第二个它对于整个一个包括所有的各项的公教人员的一个整个的一个均衡制度是有很大的一个影响这个你们刚刚都说过了 |
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剛剛都說過很多委員都有問所以都是同樣的一個答覆我想要知道說為了全民任性 國防任性你們可以錢可以拿去印公校有待觀察的國防手冊然後也可以一波又一波的把錢送到美國但是我們的飛機我們的軍備拿到了嗎 |
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為了我們國家人民生命財產的安全這個國防部被當作是提款機啦被當作提款機你們不願意把真正把這些錢投注在保家衛國的軍人身上好有這些軍備武器很重要沒有錯但是你們未來如果一旦發生什麼樣的一個戰爭狀態第一線投入的就是這些軍人就是我們的這些軍人同胞那 |
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這樣子的情況之下你們我們現在這些被忽略的軍人我們現在各單位都缺兵包括我們的邊線比都很低其實大家知道為什麼會這麼缺第一個薪水不夠嘛待遇不足嘛風險又高嘛對不對軍人的尊嚴不被尊重嘛是不是所以這些都不能夠成為加入國軍的一個動機啦所以為什麼我們立法院三讀通過了 |
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這個軍人加薪的部分還有錦霄 海巡的這些退服金你們就是不編了 |
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對不對 你們就是不編嘛這個部分它是有它的考量因為整個的一個包括所有公教包括軍警相關的一個平衡性所以人種它會對整個做一個整個均衡的考量那我們目前也請市縣中那按照請示的結合來做主席長 剛剛都講過了請回 謝謝主席有請我們國防部徐副部長請徐副部長 |
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國防預算屢創新高我們這個軍備案都可以隨便發發給這些經銷商 經銷皮鞋 運動鞋的公司還有一些裝修公司這些都看不出來說他們跟軍備軍購有什麼樣的關係 |
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我剛剛提到的說我們的預算錢可以拿去印製一些不知道有待觀察的這些全民國防手冊也好或者是我們把我們的預算錢都付給了美國但是我們拿不到我們的飛機拿不到我們的軍備但是一旦發生兩岸發生什麼樣的情況一個戰爭的狀態沒有人希望發生但一旦發生在第一線 |
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衝鋒陷陣的就是我們這些國軍那我們立法院單獨通過的這些軍人預算為什麼我們國防部不願意表態支持對不對我知道你心裡可能不是這麼想但是你們剛剛在回答這個委員的的質詢上面都說跟行政院態度一樣但是事實上你們有沒有想過缺兵的問題 |
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到底是怎麼樣要怎麼樣根本去解決軍人的待遇不足風險那麼高兵凶戰危再來軍人的尊嚴到底有沒有被尊重要從軍要從軍你連這樣一個吸引他的動機都沒有沒有人希望說戰爭會發生啦但是一旦發生之後就是軍人在第一線報告委員可以說明一下嗎 |
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謝謝114年就是今年我們已經向行政院爭取五種加級包括志願役的加級戰鬥部隊的加級又分第一類型第二類型第一類型加的比較多網路戰加級電偵加級戰航管加級所以我們國防部也已經有這個加級尤其是基層的官兵加級額度特別高譬如說如果一個上位他是第一類型的話他總共可以加到一萬二 |
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所以我們不是沒有假我跟你講 我接到的電話我接到電話 我們台中市一位民眾打電話過來他原來是在 他是大學剛畢業一年他原來是在我們這四大會計師事務所其中一間上班那因為這個事務所加班很晚然後待遇又不高所以他不如他的預期所以他的姐姐 他的姐姐是軍人他的姐姐是軍人 所以就 |
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告訴他說現在政府要幫國軍加薪問他要不要考慮投入國軍那他思考過後覺得說確實如果按照軍人加薪之後這個待遇他是可以接受的那他也願意加入成為一個軍人所以他就從會計師事務所辭職了但最近他打電話來告訴我們說為什麼行政院沒有履行承諾 |
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立法院三讀通過的法律案為什麼行政院可以不執行他以為他相信政府會給軍人好的待遇所以他準備加入但是 |
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這樣子 欸 軍人加薪不是說只是不只是體恤國軍弟兄的辛勞也是要吸引更多專業的人才加入但是就像我剛剛說的這一位民眾打電話給我這一位民眾因為行政院不願意履行承諾不願意認同國軍弟兄的辛勞所以他也就 |
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又回到他原來的崗位所以現在我們針對專業是有加期的我剛剛講過我們正在全面的提升所以我們三讀通過的法律案行政院不執行但是你們國防部怎麼可以不為我們國軍弟兄著想我有為國軍弟兄著想不為你們 佔了你們的立場 |
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我們絕對有 我們針對專業都有佳績對於戰鬥部隊尤其是基層的戰鬥部隊我們特別加得多 特別多好 副部長國軍招募的口號是加入迷彩人生精彩對不對 對不對是 是嘛但現在網友他卻說什麼實際上他說人生可以黑白但是不能夠迷彩如果要翻轉這種形象副部長你有什麼具體的想法如何翻轉 |
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山路人才啊 對不對我說你們是加入迷彩人生精彩但實際上被反諷就是說人生可以黑白但是不能迷彩就是說現在對於民眾對於原來有意願從軍的 |
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的這些人他們對於我們這樣子國防部對於處理招募軍人以及對於軍人的一個保障這樣子的態度是這樣子所以他們整個現象就是說不願意從軍所以你現在招不到人就招不到人缺兵這是事實要如何翻轉 |
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當然還是在這個軍人待遇是沒有錯我們也做了剛跟委員報告但是如果整體來看你還是要從軍公教整體的人事薪資結構來考量所以不是只有我們國防部的問題這整個政府的事情我跟你講其實你們回去勸一下左院長只要一邊列三讀通過的我們這些法案總算一定可以付為審查 |
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總預算一定可以付為審查所以請你回去跟主委院長跟主委院長溝通 勸他請行政院把國軍弟兄放在心上好不好 可不可以國軍弟兄在我們的心上好 可以 那次長請回副部長請回 謝謝因為時間不夠了 那我想那個 |
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我們財政部莊部長我想請教一個就是我們手機報稅的部分很簡單很短的時間不好意思你可不可以告訴我手機報稅是手機報稅明年一樣可以使用嗎對不對當然當然嘛對不對不會因為剛剛我們又提到了什麼TPAS不行了什麼樣這些今天全部因為總預算沒過所以這些全部都不能做了手機報稅可以嘛對不對 |
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跟委員報告因為它是一個延續性的工作可以但它在執行的金額上是不能超過114年的當然 這我們都知道另外一個再提一下就是說你們有提一個新的政策就是為了防詐所以推出ATM領錢要露臉的這個政策對不對 |
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就是金管會以及警方內政部認為應該要這樣子做這個支持然後也可以對車手產生這個組合的效果但是我要告訴你就是說因為民眾會擔心會擔心說這個造成隱私權的問題 |
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也會怕說因為機械把他們臉部的部分記錄下來之後被政府記錄或者是拿去用在其他的地方就連超過300BPI的照片都能夠辨識出一些私人的這種隱私訊息所以部長因為我們的這個請問一下各支保護委員會成立了嗎 |
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跟委員報告因為車手或詐團常常運用車手然後把臉部都遮起來去ATM去領取所以這個部分很重要就是說那另外現在ATM其實都有一個錄影的鏡頭在那邊並不因為我們未來對於遮眼臉的部分 |
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我知道我支持打詐 堵詐 防詐但是就是說因為我們的各自保委委員會還沒有成立然後這個政策疑慮非常大甚至於根本搞不清楚在如何在打詐的同時保障民眾的隱私權這個部分不是只有金管會討論速發部的研擬這部分要更全面好不好 |
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當然委員所顧慮的事情在我研議過程當中一定也會把它放進去來討論謝謝委員 謝謝顏匡衡委員質詢結束現在我們請李彥秀委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席 我可不可以邀請陳主席長請陳主席長 |
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委員好主席長好 午安主席長你是優秀的公務人員你從基層幹起你的資歷也非常的豐富完整從在台北縣服務到省政府到台南市政府到中央部會那整個歷練過程你是會計出身也是在政治經濟科班的出身所以 |
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我認為你個人對於預算法總預算如果沒有辦法如期審訊完成我們到底有哪些補救辦法跟措施在法規上或在過去的前例上我認為你應該是都有做過相關的功課你都應該知道有哪些辦法 |
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我先說明過去也不是第一次嘲笑野大87年前我們預算如果沒有審訊的話有立法院議定補救的辦法有一個我們所謂的補救辦法你點頭你非常清楚87年之後我們用法律明定 |
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有延續性的支出過去有 去年有 前年有 大前年有我們可以運用 如果預算沒有審訊完畢我們仍舊可以先行動之我想這個你也非常清楚 你也點頭有延續性的預算這個到目前為止 我所說的你都認同 |
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所以也沒有 我先打斷到這裡也沒有去年在大罷免期間的廁所沒有衛生紙沒有預算沒有辦法省衛生紙中午開會沒有便當都沒有這些事情所以也有補助的辦法也有處理的方式在89年之後 政黨輪替之後因為也同樣有 |
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嘲笑野大的預算的問題所以我們要在預算法當中真定新興的資本門的支出即便是新的計劃在資本門支出的部分如果經過立法院的同意有一些挑出來即便是新的計劃跟民眾有關係有緊急需求甚至在國防部裡面的預算有一些部分新興計劃 |
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有緊急需求仍舊可以挑出來只要立法院同意一樣可以先行動之有這個法碼第54條預算法第54條有這個法碼好 我說到目前為止 |
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其實我要強調的是就目前預算的僵局沒有辦法省的原因這是另外一個政治層面的因素但是就明年度的預算無論是延續性的預算或者是新的預算都有可以解套的方法跟方式當然我從新聞上有看到目前新增的預算舊的延續性的預算沒有問題我先請問在現場所有的官員 |
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延續性的預算明年如果預算沒有省有知愛難行的地方沒有辦法處理的你們舉手一下延續性的預算人事的 過去有的 |
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有沒有問題 沒有問題主席講 我先講完我的時間我先講完也就是舊的延續性的預算大家都可以先行動之新的預算只要送上來經過立法院挑出來大家有共識仍舊可以處理有法可以處理而且這是預算法54條所以就目前看來我們是有解套的方法 |
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但是真正的政治原因就是主席長你也非常清楚現在立院跟行政的僵局在於你是公務人員出身你也這麼資歷這麼完整該編的預算無論是軍人的三萬塊的加薪無論是公教人員的停侃年金其實照理說立法院三讀通過其實就是要依法守法來去做處理 |
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你前一陣子回答其他委員也是同樣的狀況公務人員依法行政不可以不編即便你認為軍人不可以一致的只有加三萬可能也要依不同的階級來做處理那你就提出不同的版本但是現在的僵局是你不提出你新的版本你要不編列你就叫違法所以主席長 |
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行政院已經有整理出有沒有整理出哪些是新增計劃我有看到你們有整理出來我有看到今天的預算書你們也有討論過但是行政院長卓榮泰接受媒體攻擊在野黨的方式我是沒有辦法接受到目前為止我相信許多辦公室的同仁委員 |
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都不清楚你新政計畫到底面對於現在今年度今年已經12月23號了新政24號新政預算到底有哪些你希望面對現在行政立法的僵局那1000億哪些你希望趕快出來行政院挑出來我們立法院先審各個辦公室至少我知道的國民黨團所有的委員不知道 |
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你們就在那邊等著行政立法僵局繼續僵住卓榮泰所講的一千億的立法院行政院新增預算哪些是新的有緊急性的必要先處理的我們立委不知道只有從新聞裡面看到 |
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所以說你們有真的想處理嗎我覺得沒有面對現在行政立法院的僵局你們沒有打算要處理你這不編列軍人的加薪公教人員所得替代率的停砍你又不處理 |
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現在的僵局真的有緊急需要的你又不送出來立法院審也不拿進來溝通談判這就是現在我覺得你們擺爛不管持續的按照過去大罷免的方式抹黑在野黨這就是你們處理的原則好 所以我現在其實都有法可以依據無論是舊的延續性的預算或新的延續性54條都有解決的方案另外 |
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主席長我要請問你除了預算法的規定之外我十月份我有問你我有跟您質詢過就是說針對於直轄縣市的補助辦法補助款的補助辦法沒有修正過沒有修正過的預告的問題當時主席長你回答我說縣市政府的補助辦法 |
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要不要預告你說因為這是涉及細節性技術性這是屬於行政規則所以不需要預告你還記得你當時回答我的對不對 |
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補助辦法對於各縣市的補助辦法你的認知是行政規則你回答我這是屬於細節性技術性的事項我現在不需要跟你吵架但是你現在看你們自己的同仁對於各縣市的補助辦法他就是一個命令他當然做預告 |
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他當然就要預告對於各縣市的補助辦法涉及到各縣市經費的執行 預算的執行這當然關係到人民的權益怎麼會是只有細節性 技術性的事情當然有 當然有你們自己直接寫這是命令喔好 幫我看下一張朱澤民主席長當時在民國106年的時候 |
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他也是一個命令 他也有預告怎麼會你的認知跟朱澤民差這麼多涉及到地方各縣市的補助款的部分可以不要預告我剛一開始我就說你歷練非常完整你也是當時公務人員高考過的非常優秀 行政資歷非常完整 |
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怎麼會是行政規則呢它當然就是一個命令當然要預告 當然要公告啊因為它本身是屬於對於內部的一個行為沒有對外發生它相關的一個法律效果所以這個部分的一個法規命令它可以不用預告 是這樣妳的同仁就直接打妳臉它就是一個命令 它當然要預告啊妳再看前一張 妳的同仁就直接寫要它是屬於命令啊 |
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114年8月29號行政院令修正直轄市縣市的補助辦它就是一個命令它就是要預告啊對 它是屬於法規命令但是它不是說對於不特定的人民的一個所生的一個所設的事項所以這一個部分不是屬於非公告的一個事項是這樣子主席長你的同仁跟朱澤民年代很多應該都是重疊都是一樣的第一 |
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怎麼會對法規的認知有這麼大的差異我剛都說你是從基層人員出來依法行政照理說你應該非常清楚什麼是要預告什麼是行政規則什麼是有涉及到人民的權益這當然有涉及到人民權益怎麼會出責任當時的組計長都認為說這有涉及到人民權益所以要預告你認為不用預告 |
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怎麼會是兩個標準你們底下公務人員主席處裡面底下都是一樣的同仁怎麼會有不同認知的標準我覺得主席長我認為你是優秀的公務人員不要因為換了一個政府之後就對應對著幹因為公務人員應該要依法守法這是我要提醒你的地方以上謝謝李委員接下來我們請王世堅委員 |
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謝謝主席我請財政部莊部長請莊部長委員好莊部長辛苦了我們在對於不動產的放款集中度的部分 |
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去年6月我們統計當時我們本國所有39家銀行平均對不動產放款佔它總放款的37.6%37.61%這是非常高的一個額度所以當時 |
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當時我們財委會就要求財政部也要求經管會就是要針對放款給不動產這個額度要降低當時定的目標額度是35%那結果經過了去年9月調查一次額度已有降大概降到36.71 |
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那今年12月就是這個月又降了0.01%到36.7%那突然間上個禮拜中央銀行就放寬啦他就說這個放寬集中度就交由各銀行自己自己去監管去控管那我想請問部長就是說 |
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這跟新青安有關嗎是不是我們財政部因為要推動新青安2.0所以就跟中央銀行報告就要求應該放寬是這樣子嗎 |
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跟委員不是這樣子央行認為不動產的集中度也就是銀行的貸款額度過度集中在不動產事實上會對金融體系來說事實上不是很好同時也會排擠到其他產業需要融資的資源既然是這樣 |
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那對 那跟委員這個報告這個畫面上可以看出來不動產的集中度有下降但是央行這次理事會並不是說就不管這個集中度而是回到各銀行你自己要去控管而且我印象中還有每一個月必須要把這個情況報給央行好 各銀行自己控管那我今天為什麼找你上來我不是找金管會你知道嗎因為我們公營行庫這八大行庫 |
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就是由你管的啊董事長總經理都你派的他們的政策作為你要負全責啊我光是講我們八大行庫好了從去年六月我們本來有要求之下那麼它對於不動產貸款的集中度反而增加了0.84% |
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這個增加了5,006億在不動產的販款然後這個反而民營航庫民營航庫還多少聽點話民營航庫去年我們要求以後它降了0.77%八大公營航庫增加0.84%那只有民營航庫有在聽話 |
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那我並不是說新清安怎麼不好新清安利益良善如果真的訂好規則沒有例外情況的話本來是好但是 |
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我們過去的行情案就是這三步沒有限年齡 也沒有限首購更沒有限他們收入所以這另外還有一個大的問題就是大量的被人頭來使用所以當然行情案2.0要去改善可是 |
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可是在改善的同時我們也必須注意對於不動產過度集中放款這個風險比方說我舉例啦這裡面公營航庫光是台營跟土營喔台營土營兩家放款給不動產的額度就高達三兆 |
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佔我們全國公民營銀行39家銀行的兩成台銀跟土銀過度集中在不動產的放款這一個部分負險過高負險這麼高 |
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風險不是只有他擔 是我們全體2300萬民眾大家辛苦的血汗錢 存款戶的血汗錢所以這風險度過高那我們如果 部長 如果你一再縱放八大公營行戶 尤其台銀 土銀 |
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如果一再縱放他們去過度集中的話現在民營銀行他們也來有樣學樣有樣學樣甚至不只民營銀行像華太銀行台中商銀 星光銀行你看它這一年裡面他們對不動產放款的集中度大幅的增高 |
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那民營銀行有樣學樣連外商銀行啊他們也來推波助瀾分一杯羹你看渣打銀行匯豐銀行這兩家銀行啊他們放款不動產竟然超過50%超過50%耶天啊 |
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那簡單講就是受到我們政府這樣子政策跟管理上這個部分的空間所以他們就受到另一種變相的鼓舞 |
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所以這個部分我希望你能夠所以我認為說我為什麼這麼在乎這一點因為新清安我剛剛講利益是良善可是實施以來我們大家看一看它對房價對房價飆漲的這個幅度它是非常正面的幫助了房價的高漲 |
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我們看一下在疫情這四年2016到2020裡面房價指數的漲幅5.4%那疫情這三年半房價指數漲24.9%但是新青安新青安喔上路的一年內一年就漲了12.3%一年就漲12.3% |
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你看看喔過去疫情前喔前四年漲5.4新興安一年就漲12.3那房價所得比它的漲幅佔這個比例的升高從1.4到新興安的時候9.7所以我覺得這個太可怕了所以我要問你的第二個問題就是說 |
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部長 你認為如何來避免我們台灣的房價繼續高度的成長 你的看法呢 |
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先跟委員報告新青安這個貸款額度並沒有從那個不動產貸款集中度裡面去排除所以它仍然算在不動產的貸款的額度裡面那第二個部分有關新青安的部分會到明年的7月31號就告截止那這個後續有關的一些調整要不要做調整跟檢討財政部會持續邀同相關機關以及公股航庫一起來做討論 |
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那在這個親親案的執行過程當中我們也不斷的精進包含醫生只能帶一次親親案另外就是說對於有人頭或出租就利用這種親親案而不是做自助使用的部分其實我們也做大力的追查那其實追回的有關 |
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利息的補貼已經超過1億5千萬那追回的戶數也超過7千多件這個部分我們持續在精進那後續我們會持續的檢討來做一些調 看要怎麼樣的政策面上要做怎麼樣的因應你說有追回的 不當的新興安的這個比方說人頭比方說沒有現收入這些你說有追回7千多件我們都有 持續在做7千多件 |
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有嗎 金額多少 追圍多少現在已經是達到8600件了8600件 金額也超過1億5000萬以上1億5000萬對 那個利息補貼 利息補助的部分你總金額再算給我好不好利息補貼你說是1億嘛但是我們花在新青安的利息補貼是數以數是億計啦 |
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是因為就是我們當時新西安是為了要協助沒有自住房屋的青年朋友們可以有一點自住我們協助青年朋友尤其是剛入社會或者剛創業 剛結婚這個都正確但是不要 |
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陷入被人頭跟房仲公司跟建商他們勾結好的嗎因為先前你看嘛光查到就查了8000多件啊還有高收入的他也來新清安他不是首購的他也來新清安所以我是要那個部長我今天問你這些問題我就是希望說 |
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對於房屋對不動產放管的集中度要去降低尤其對公營航庫也就是說財政部跟公營銀行不要帶頭不要再去火上加油讓我們國內的房價一而再再而上推高你看根據這三大房價指數內政部的住宅價格指數國泰的房價指數信義的房價指數在這些指數上面 |
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那麼這個上漲的趨勢是非常明顯而且是從新青安不當的新青安開始的所以我希望新青安2.0如果要做我們就要做的徹底要幫到真正需要的青年朋友們 |
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這個收入低的青年朋友們創業的青年朋友們新婚的青年朋友需要幫助的青年朋友們這樣我們這個政策來自於我們全民對青年朋友們的利息補助這才是值得的嘛 |
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好不好委員這意見我們一定會在制定的時候一定會納入的是 謝謝委員好 台銀 土銀的特別盯一盯他們啦我看他們這兩家好像都是脫薑泥嘛好像他們董事長 總經理好像都不太聽你的話不會啦因為土銀是不動產系統的專業銀行你認命的我只能找你好不好好 謝謝委員謝謝王委員 |
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接下來我們請鄭振淺委員鄭振淺委員鄭振淺委員不在場下一位我們請黃國昌委員謝謝主席麻煩有請行政院主計總署主計長內政部政務次長以及農業部政務次長請陳主計長董事長還有農業部次長 |
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三位好 時間的關係不一一問候首先先請教一下內政部次長因為我們在今年三度通過警察人員人事條例給退休的警校提高所得替代率考試院全序部在我的要求之下他們也完成了整個電腦系統重新的更正然後在前幾天已經把新的更正函 |
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發給退休的警囂這個新的審定函它所代表的意義就是一個行政處分它使得退休的警囂取得公法上面的金錢給付警求權這個審定函對於目前所短掃的差額也很清楚的把它列出來譬如說警政二階每個月短掃了5,326元 |
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而在全序部所發出去的函裡面寫得非常的清楚說這個差額要由服務機關依規定發起我今天在事發法制委員會的時候請教了全序部全序部說這裡所講的由服務機關依規定發起現在這個主管機關就是內政部請問內政部打算什麼時候給 |
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報告委員那內政部的立場跟行政院一樣我們現在正在提釋憲所以行政院如何指示所以只要提釋憲就造成了公法上面金錢起伏請求權的中斷嗎這個是行政院的法律見解嗎我們現在依行政院的指示來辦理所以你的意思是說內政部現在申報有幾次依行政院的指示辦理就對了我們的立場跟行政院一致OK你們可以立場跟行政院一致啊到底要講清楚啊 |
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因為這不是只有一般公民會看有很多法律系的學生也會看我們的行政院現在創了獨步全球的法學理論只要行政院說違憲行政院申請釋憲就構成了馬上可以暫停給付的法律事由這樣子的法律見解行政法院會不會接受那我們就等著看因為我今天已經在社會法治委員會宣布了我接下來 |
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會義務的幫這些警消提起團體訴訟剩下的事情我們到行政法院再說就好了接下來來請教一下主計長行政院一直提出一個非常怪異的法律理論他說立法院通過的法律案如果涉及到經費的增加的時候沒有行政院的同意就是違憲的 |
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那這個獨步全球的法律間接啊我之前也請教了賴清德所提名上一位司法院的院長蔡秋明蔡秋明講得非常的清楚啊法律案法律案包括了像老龍津貼包括了像禁法補償涉及修正法律案因此造成經費的增加這個跟憲法 |
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立法院禁止增加預算這是兩件本質完全不同的事情老龍津貼的部分根本就沒有違憲這樣子的法律看法這樣子的法律見解顯然連賴清德所提名的司法院院長都不認同行政院現在的看法 |
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那行政院還要繼續的固執下去可能行政院覺得說那五位綠色司法獨夫都我們控制的我們叫他們怎麼做 他們就怎麼做誰敢這麼囂張但這件事情沒有這麼簡單為什麼這件事情沒有這麼簡單因為此時此刻現在八樓未還委員會正在審老龍津貼 |
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暫行條例要進一步的提升老農津貼給付的數額請問一下行政院主席總署認不認為目前由民主進步黨這些立委所提出來的老農津貼暫行條例要提高給付金額這件事情是違憲的所以這個部分就是按照預算法91條還有財政紀律法裡面的規定是所提的話 |
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奇怪你們主張的是違憲啊怎麼我現在聽到的不是憲法的條文是預算法跟財政紀律法違法跟違憲是兩個不同的層次吧所以我就請教你嘛現在由民進黨的立委所提出來的老農津貼暫行條例要提高給我們退休老農給付的金額民進黨那些立委所提出來的法案是不是違憲的是還是不是 |
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民進黨要提這個案子以前有跟行政院溝通嗎所以你們現在理論就更奇特了問過行政院 行政院點頭不違憲如果行政院不點頭就違憲 |
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我國的算法理論已經進入了一個奇幻的世界一切是行政權說了算來 農業部的是不是有來來 我先請教一下農業部部長不好意思 您是次長嘛 |
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老農津貼啊經過好幾屆的立委慢慢把它調高嘛照顧退休老農的生活我們大家都支持啦但是道理要講清楚啊當初老農津貼在2005年從4000元調升到5000元是誰提案了知不知道自己的業務不熟 |
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2005年的時候4000元調到5000元的時候提案的啊是民主進步黨立法院黨團提案人包括了柯建民跟賴清德現在大家就完全看不懂啦當初賴清德自己當立法委員的時候提高老農津貼給付的數額是立法委員提案喔沒有違憲 |
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那但是呢等到他自己掌控了行政權了以後立委只要提高透過修正法律提高給特定的族群給付的金額就違憲 |
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這種瀑布全球的理論讓人家完全沒有辦法理解沒有關係主席說時間到了但是道理要說清楚謝謝黃委員這個主席長要講清楚不是說跟行政院報告就可以是要跟行政院講說這個裁員到底在哪裡才行而且我記得民進黨委員提案裡面沒有說要提高金額到多少 |
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接下來下一位我們請鄭天才委員主席有請主計長還有內政部 |
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內政部的代表 次長還有國防部 許副部長 董事長我們先談警消海巡本席質詢過很多次 |
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質詢誰呢 我曾經也質詢過現在的考試院院長當時他是前序部的部長因為錦霄還有海巡的退休的規定是跟公務員放在一起事實上工作完全不一樣 |
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如果我們以這次北捷的隨機殺人案現在如果我每天做捷運現在捷運都增加警力了所以在這樣的情形下工作不一樣所以我當初就要求質詢希望把警消 |
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海巡的退休要放在警察人員人事條例要脫離這個公務人員的部分所以一直沒有做現在考試院院長當前西部部長的時候他是支持的但是要內政部要提出來行政院要提出來所以好不容易這個警察人員人事條例做了修正把這些警消 |
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海巡的退休的規定移到警察人員人事條例這個結果行政院提出覆議按照中華民國憲法徵修條文第三條第二項的規定第二款行政院對立法院的決議法律案可以提覆議如果認為有自愛難行可以提覆議 |
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所以也提了復議立法院也做了決議復議不通過那按照中華民國憲法徵修條文第三項第二項的規定復議時如今全體立法委員二分之一以上決議維持延按行政院院長應即接受該決議 |
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這個條文夠清楚了 應即接受該決議不只是接受了 還附屬了呢院長的名字 內政部部長的名字都有了公佈按照中央法規標準法就生效了生效之後就施行了政府機關依法行政是最基本的 最起碼的 |
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所以要請這個主席長 要請內政部要去跟這個行政院院長就編預算這個事實嘛 事實是不一樣嘛 對不對 |
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我們這個會等到說釋憲我們有申請釋憲然後等到釋憲的一個結果我們就來根本就不應該釋憲那第二個就是說因為他本身還要合作相關的裁員還有什麼釋憲好 你提到這個釋憲主席長我來說好花東地區發展條例民國101年 |
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民國一百年公佈施行一百零一年開始編列預算花東第七發展條例要編列四百億的基金沒有行政院的版本沒有行政院的版本立法院的提案三讀通過當時馬英九總統執政 |
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也沒有去提復議就照樣編一算因為確實花東地區的發展均衡發展這符合憲法均衡發展所以立法院審查通過的法例案百分之九十以上都會跟什麼會跟預算有關係 |
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90%除了那個基本法之外基本法也會規定多少錢還是會有所以這個部分我們看這個軍人待遇條例也是一樣這麼辛苦的軍人對不對然後職業軍人越來越少職業軍人又越來越少不是2027年打仗了嗎既然2027年打仗了 |
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對不對 就能 大意要提升所以這個部分因為主席已經站起來了所以這個部分要請國防部 請組紀長要去跟行政院院長講要編譯算 要編譯算 要編譯算以上 謝謝好 謝謝鄭委員接下來我們請 |
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黃婕委員黃婕委員黃婕委員不在下一位吳思瑤委員吳思瑤委員吳思瑤委員不在場下一位蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員不在場下一位邱志偉委員 |
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謝謝主席 是不是先請行政院主席總書 陳主席長請陳主席長經濟部代表 然後交通部代表委員好來 請經濟部何次長 交通部次長農業部代表農業部次長 黃次長這個 主席長先請教您是這是近十年來最晚婦委的一次是 |
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那還沒有附委院長還沒報告嘛那這個會期就剩下幾天那可能研會到這個1月底同樣的狀況我想還是持續延續他不會讓你附委也不會讓你報告 |
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所以你今天的報告內容是針對說第一法院完全沒有針對中央政府總預算在任何審查狀況之下也沒有刪除情況之下我們只能按照過去年度的經常經常們的這個預算來指引增加的部分不能動新興計劃也不能動這是最壞的狀況嘛所以最壞的狀況影響三千億這種情況會不會 有沒有可能發生 |
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第一個部分就是新增的部分但是新增的部分就是1017億但是他這裡面有一附到一個條件針對新增的部分你如果確實有需要可以報立法院來同意另外一個就是比去年經常新的支出還有資本門的延續性的計畫比去年還多的部分這個部分包括是1800多億 |
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也不能暴力法院同意再來就是說我們第一預備金第二預備金還有災害準備金都不能動也沒有經過暴力法院同意之後可以通知的只有新興計畫可以對不對所以最壞最壞的狀況他都沒有跟你信他都沒有贊助他沒有給你報告 |
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那影響最大的就是大概就是這個一般的計畫跟這個災害整備金跟第一第二預備金新增的部分新增計畫它也不見得會讓你過對不對 |
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所以阿倫赤崎最嚴重的後果就是三千億國家有什麼不可以用在國家建設不可以用在這個為人民的福祉為國家的建設是所以如果要這樣它不需要福利委員會不需要三途政是禍國殃民 |
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這影響國家的建設 國家的發展 人民福祉很大指正黨可以為國家造福 為人民服務 對不對南加五省都經過詳細的計畫 詳細的編列然後用在人民的身上 用在國家的建設如果這三星沒有過 所有受害的都是台灣人民影響是國家建設停頓 影響很大 對不對 |
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主要是有比如說我們對縣市的一個補助這裡面有321億那主要是因為我們要希望增加那個地方的一個調度能力這個我都知道各部會的這個各部會所說的影響我都看過了所以我今天為什麼請這個主席主席主要是針對這個整體的狀況做一些的分析跟評估是很嚴峻如果真的沒經過是非常嚴峻對國家建設對人民福祉是造成很嚴重的傷害 |
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這是真是禍國殃民 倒行逆施這是對不起台灣人民好 大家針對建設個別部分的部分我先請教一下經濟部 |
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對南部 南部當然是這個過去這個治水防洪是這個南部包括高雄是重大的這個建設好 如果今年總計上沒有通過對高雄治水防洪水利建設會造成哪些影響 |
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我們這一次編列明年度的這個治水預算用在高雄大概有14.5億是新興計畫的部分會受到影響那加上長年計畫用在高雄的年度計畫也大概超過30億了就是這個治水部分就是這個部分然後補助給這個高雄市政府在經濟發展方面的部分呢 |
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這個部分並沒有任何其他相關的補助自選防洪直接影響到這個高雄河川城市跟自選防洪就影響將近15億對 15億謝謝何市長好 下一位請這個交通部代表是 委員好謝謝這個市長是對高雄的交通建設 |
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如果今年預算沒辦法審新計劃沒辦法動之啊因為將會影響多少預算規模對高雄市的建設交通建設現在高雄市的新興建設目前像比如說像子縣那其他還在規劃還沒有完成所以他不算是新興計劃你講一個數字你來這邊報告應該很詳細你這影響 |
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我這邊大概幾個捷運的部分因為原來列前三嘛列前三的部分如果以高雄岡山的路子的部分大概是總共是518沒辦法執行啊5800萬對不起5800萬沒辦法執行多少就捷運多少5800萬那另外黃線的部分呢黃線它屬於延續性的 |
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所以對交通建設我希望你再提供一個詳細資料給我對高雄市交通建設的影響主席再給我這個40秒農業部這個黃市長對高雄包括農協議各項建設這個預算中間總預算沒辦法通過新計劃沒辦法執行會影響多少預算規模 |
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就整個的部分我們在防洪治水的這個部分大概還有這些林保的部分我們會有總共大概有74億的這樣的一個影響74億 包括這個農業的這個建設我們包括那個治山防洪還有這個農水路的這些的維修整建還有這些林保的這個部分的維護 |
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拜託這三個部會經濟部跟交通部還有農業部是不是對高雄建設的影響有一個比較詳細完整的清單跟資料再提供給我好 謝謝給你謝謝邱委員接下來我們請陳冠廷委員 |
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你好 我們請國科會副主委來 我們請國科會副主委委員好副主委好副主委在進入此舉前我還是想跟大家強調我們115年度的總預算到現在還沒有開始審議那根據預算法的規定新興計劃的預算是要審議通過才能夠動之 |
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那這會讓我們一些計劃沒有辦法如期的去推動那這3000億裡面的新興計劃我個人特別重視特別是AI的算力中心還有我們的次世代的科技量子的科技還有電力建設這些都是攸關於我們國家競爭力的關鍵投資也就是說今天如果不做那明天會後悔今年不做明年後年可能也追不上所以我今天要請教各個部會如果這些計劃被卡住 |
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它的發展對國家發展的影響各自有多大跟你們未來的備案是什麼首先副主委這3000億的新興進化裡面AI算力中心是重中之重特別是它是現在我們目前的強項我想請教目前的這種高階的GPU像NVIDIA的GP200全球交期大概是要多久 |
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這個部分因為看所有的訂單的狀況那當然目前因為是賣方的市場所以都要稍微等一段時間但我們都會預先去做預訂大概就是要預先就是我們大概知道說可能要等一段時間那我們自己去做一些簡單的情報的搜尋大概GPU的全球供貨吃緊如果是這種等級的交期大概是要一年左右 |
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一年 所以說如果我們明年的預算這一個沒有辦法通過沒有辦法下訂那等了預算過後再訂交又再等一年那這樣算起來我們的算力建設大概會落後多久一年半還是兩年 |
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因為算力建設主要是逐步來提升所以這個確實會對整個算力提升的影響會造成影響其實主要在AI新十大建設裡面最主要影響到的在國科會的預算裡面主要有三大部分 |
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第一個部分是剛剛委員所提到的算力第二個部分大概是矽光子的發展第三個部分是智慧機器人的發展尤其是智慧機器人的發展是AI在落地應用上面受到影響最大的部分所以我們也期待盡快的通過預算能夠讓這部分能夠執行 |
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所以說等於是一環扣著一環當我們沒有辦法得到這一些最先進的這種重要的零組件原料我們就把它假設成原料你就沒有辦法製成我們想要的物品貨品或者是服務現在如果阻斷了這個東西的話等於是一連串我們國家的進步特別是在這一種運算上面就會落後我們現在講的是現在的科技接下來我們講的是未來 |
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次世代的我們可能未來要面對的挑戰我們也是未來可以努力的展望量子的計算這個量子計算115年的量子科技的計畫裡面我看到裡面有包含興建實驗大樓還有採購一些關鍵設備譬如說西式冷凍機這種核心設備全球交期大概多久 |
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這個部分我們可能要查詢一下再跟沒關係 我們直接來去因為我們有先做研修所以我們先跟你說明一下這些精密設計交期是18到24個月 |
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所以說如果18到24個月今年預算卡關的話明年沒辦法下單那我們等四倍就是2028年那我為什麼一直要強調這個量子計算因為我們現在所得到的這些半導體的紅利那是過去十幾年前二十年前三十幾年前一代一代的人把它累積起來的量子計算也是我們如果要在未來還能夠持續穩定的在算力也好在高科技產業領先的話那我們現在就必須投資未來今天就必須投資明天的東西 |
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現在我們跟這些日本也好美國也好的國會議員都有談到他們都非常重視在量子人才的設備人才的投資所以我們已經看到未來了如果我們現在沒有做相應的準備的話這個影響是非常大的所以 |
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我在這邊也是要呼籲我們這個在野黨的同仁這些東西跟我們主要的爭點可能不見得有直接相關我知道在野黨的這一些同仁們可能重視的是對國防上面看法不同等等的但是我們現在講的是我們有共同的一個議題就是在我們的高科技產業大家都重視台灣的半導體產業大家都重視我們下世代的產業如果都重視這個東西的話至少在科技上面 |
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國科會上面也好甚至還有剛才我們其實今天沒有辦法談及的這些太空產業也好今天不做明天就會後悔那如果過去這一個十大建設的時候有一些比較年長的這些我們立法院的同仁有經歷過的話那就知道說 |
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現在的十大建設也是為了明年 十年 二十年所以還是在這邊誠摯的來跟我們立院的同仁來去希望能夠盡快的把這些重要的對台灣科技重要的盡快進入審議 謝謝謝謝委謝謝陳委員接下來我們請蔡義瑜委員蔡義瑜委員蔡義瑜委員好 不在場 |
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今日登记发言委员均已询答完毕本次会议桌如下决定一 报告及询答完毕二 委员执行未及答复或请补充资料请相关部会于一周内以书面答复委员另要求期限者从即锁定 |
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三 委员陈玉珍林楚英吴思瑶所提书面质询均列入记录刊登公报并请相关部会以书面答复四 本次会议议程已经行完毕堂友不在场委员补题书面质询一并列入记录刊登公报并请议事人员协助处理好 我们先不散会祝福大家圣诞佳节平安 |