| IVOD_ID |
17127 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17127 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-20-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-17T08:37:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-17T11:58:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:20:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/b41997f390c3528e6753254e18e0cc648749d5d4e85ec53ed5e67b2ed516237597de9a073955b4a75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：審查「海關進口稅則」5案：
本院委員徐富癸等17人、委員黃健豪等22人、委員徐富癸等16人、委員陳菁徽等16人、委員林思銘等16人分別擬具「海關進口稅則部分稅則修正草案」等5案。【後1案須經各黨團簽署不復議同意書】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:37:29 - 11:58:00 |
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現在開始開會請主任秘書報告出席委員人數報告委員會出席委員與主法定人數請議事人員宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第四會期財政委員會第十二次全體委員會議議事錄時間從華民國一百二十四年十二月十日星期三九時至十二時二十七分地點群修樓酒樓大禮堂出席委員林德福委員等十四人列席委員邱盈盈委員等十人列席官員財政部長莊翠雲國安基金 |
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國安基金管委會執行秘書阮清華行政院主計總書副主計長陳慧娟國防會經濟部農業部政次黃昭清環境部內政部交通部勞動部權序部法務部等單位代表暨其所屬主席李昭吉委員昆城報告四項宣讀上次會議議事錄決定議事錄確定討論四項一審查財政收支劃分法七案謹詢答一委員郭國文等17人委員賴瑞榮等19人委員 |
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賴銳榮等17人分別擬聚財政收支劃分法部分條文修正草案等三案二委員陳昱珍等19人擬聚財政收支劃分法第八條條文修正草案案三委員邱益寅等26人擬聚財政收支劃分法第16條之一條文修正草案案四委員蔡奕宇等17人擬聚財政收支劃分法第16條之一及第30條條文修正草案案五委員陳昱珍等24人擬聚財政收支劃分法第30條條文修正草案案 |
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2.審查國家金融安定基金設置及管理條例二案僅尋答1.委員郭文文等18人理據國家金融安定基金設置及管理條例第四條條文修正草案案2.委員李昆城等18人理據國家金融安定基金設置及管理條例第四條及第五條條文修正草案案討論事項個案合併尋答經委員邱盈盈說明提案要職財政部長 |
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莊稅委員及主計總署副主計長陳慧娟回應委員提案後紀委員林德福等16人提出質詢均經主計總署陳副主計長財政部莊部長國安基金管理委員會阮植密農業部黃正智法務部法治資料參事國發會 |
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經發處劉專委及相關人員予以答覆決議一 說明請詢答完畢二 委員質詢未及答覆或請補充資訊請相關部會議週內予書面答覆委員令要求期限者從期鎖定三 委員黃珊珊 顏寬恆 楊瓊英 徐欣盈所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報並請相關部會議書面答覆 |
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4 財政收支劃分法等七案 另則其繼續審查5 國家金融安定基金設置及管理條例等二案 另則其繼續審查 宣讀完畢在場委員 位處法定人數 我們議事日錄暫不確定請議事人員宣讀今日議程 |
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審查海關進口稅則5案本院委員徐富奎等17人委員黃建豪等22人委員徐富奎等16人委員陳金輝等16人委員林詩敏等16人分別擬具海關進口稅則部分稅則修正草案等5案宣讀完畢好那我們現在介紹我們在場委員與會的政府官員首先介紹林德福委員好 |
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許富奎委員黃健豪委員我們今天與會的官員有我們財政部莊翠雲部長 歡迎部長法制處姚盈瑤處長國庫署陳柏成署長 |
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負稅署宋秀琳署長官務署彭英偉署長國產署曾國基署長財政資訊中心張文希主任經濟部產業發展署翁鼓松署長國際貿易署郭珍怡副署長 |
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農業部國際事務司蕭中瓊師長 歡迎農糧署陳啟榮副署長 歡迎法務部參事廖江憲 廖參事 歡迎 |
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我們本次會議安排審查本院委員徐富奎等17人委員黃建豪等22人委員徐富奎等16人委員陳金輝等16人委員林思敏等16人分別擬據海關進口稅責部分稅責修正草案等5案將先請委員說明提案要旨後再請財政部莊部長回應委員提案內容我們先請徐富奎委員說明提案要旨 |
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这个说明三分钟麻烦谢谢 |
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謝謝主席我想近年來國內對於精釀啤酒跟相關的釀造產業逐步發展成為結合農業生產製造餐飲跟觀光的重要的一個產業但是因為受限於近年中國大陸大量傾銷及國內釀造原料成本偏高的因素本土啤酒業者的競爭趨於劣勢影響整個產業的動能 |
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那我們近期包含相關的單位也確認了中國啤酒大量傾銷的一個事實也祭出了這個反傾銷稅的一個反制作為那下一步我們就是針對我們如何讓我們的本土啤酒更有一個產品的一個競爭力 |
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那因為啤酒花跟麥芽是做一個啤酒釀造不可或缺的關鍵營料但因為過去試用較高的一個進口稅率造成國內相關產業的一個需求跟國際的趨勢發展有顯著的一個落差而我們台灣啤酒的主要競爭對手 |
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大多數對於這個啤酒花跟麥芽採取低關稅甚至是一個免稅的一個政策目標就是在於降低釀造的一個成本促進本國產業啤酒產業的一個升級提升國際的一個競爭力那相較之下 |
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我國對於啤酒花跟麥芽的這個稅制我想明顯高於其他的一個啤酒生產國家導致中小型的一個釀酒業者承擔過高的一個成本不利於這個多元品牌跟在地的一個啤酒的一個特色發展我想農糧署也說得很明白我們國內目前並沒有大規模經濟的一個栽培大麥跟啤酒花 |
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那相關的這個釀造的一個原料都必須仰賴一個進口那所以對於國內並不會有一個比較明顯的一個衝擊那我想透過這個合理的調降一個稅率增加我們業者的一個成本甚至提升這個相關的一個技術這是一個很會擴大一個就業的一個很好的一個機會甚至可以帶動我們農業餐飲跟觀光相關的產業鏈一個發展所以我想本席特別針對 |
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提案降低我們的啤酒花跟麥芽稅率降低關稅到零我想這是要一個建立一個合理跟一個前瞻的一個產業的一個環境除了可以降低業者的一個負擔我想最重要就是增加我們一個國內啤酒的一個競爭力我想讓全世界都喝得到看得到台灣啤酒是我們的一個目標好謝謝好謝謝許富奎委員接下來請黃建豪委員 |
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好 今天謝謝我們林思明召委的排案再來我們莊部長 各位官員大家早安今天本期提到這個海關進口碎石的草案主要是因為我想過去財政部跟經濟部已經認定說所謂中國製造啤酒在台灣的市場有這個傾銷的行為 |
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也對我們國內的釀酒業跟所謂的啤酒的商業行為造成失信的損害所以本期提案是針對啤酒釀造原物料的進口關稅結構來回應這個國內釀酒業長期面臨的不公平競爭的問題因為我想現行制度之下我們的進口啤酒關稅是零不管它從哪裡來它的關稅是零 |
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但是如果本土的釀酒業者他面對著市場競爭他要取得關鍵原物料是麥芽跟啤酒花他仍然需要負擔7.5%的進口關稅那所以導致國內的業者在生產成本上面處於不利的地位所以這對他們在國際競爭上面也有一定程度的影響形成制度性的不對等競爭也不利產業的健全發展也不利其他的更多的大廠 |
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1892.129 |
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1907.917 |
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來台灣設廠我想包含其他國際大廠也都希望能夠來利用台灣的這個關鍵地位來台灣設廠但是因為卡在這個原物料進口關稅的問題所以到目前為止真正的國際大廠來台灣設廠的比例並不高所以我們希望能夠從結構上從關稅政策上來調整我們的問題 |
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1911.198 |
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1935.003 |
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就產業結構而言台灣目前也沒有麥芽跟啤酒花的農業主流生產的問題所以相關原物料幾乎完全仰賴進口現行關稅也沒有要發揮說保護本土農業的作用跟功能反而成為限制了我們產業製造業的成本的負擔所以依照目前的進口使用情形的觀察 |
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1935.683 |
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1960.947 |
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大約97%的麥芽跟啤酒花都是直接用於啤酒的釀造所以調降關稅我想並不會造成其他產業的影響也不會造成排擠所以我們希望說能夠把相關修法希望大院以及希望我們財政部各部會還有我們所有委員能夠支持來提供我們台灣的啤酒釀酒業更好的進程環境也能夠讓台灣的啤酒製造業能夠有機會進軍國際打國際盃以上說明 謝謝 |
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1965.617 |
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1989.446 |
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謝謝黃建豪委員本席的提案我也說明一下有限於進口啤酒在台灣市場的快速成長其中以價格相對低廉的中國啤酒為主要來源根據財政部的統計過去十年間中國製啤酒市場它的市占率已成長至原本的4倍 |
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1990.386 |
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2007.673 |
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今年第一季中國製的啤酒市場佔有率已經高達36%佔進口啤酒總量超過7成相對的我國本土啤酒的產量持續下滑2023年本土啤酒市佔率甚至跌破5成 |
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2008.713 |
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2037.382 |
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面对中国制啤酒的强势竞争本土酿酒业者纷纷缩减生产计划包括部分本土酒厂停止生产线的运作以及外商啤酒品牌来台设厂因为销售预期下修而出现撤销或缩减扩展与投资计划等现象为了减轻国内啤酒生产的成本促进我国酿酒产业的永续发展 |
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2038.442 |
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2059.361 |
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政府因積極支持本土釀造產業所以我們拟據了海關進口稅責不分稅責修正草案我們期望來扭轉本土產品的市占率持續下滑的一個困境敬請我們財政部還有農業部以及各位委員來支持以上的說明 |
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2064.37 |
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2072.953 |
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陳金輝委員陳金輝委員陳金輝委員不在好那現在請財政部莊部長回應委員提案的內容主席各位委員先進大家好今日貴委員會審查大院許委員富奎等17人黃委員建豪等22人許委員富奎 |
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2091.857 |
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2119.685 |
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等16人以及陳委員金輝等16人以及林委員施銘等16人的分別擬據海關進口稅責部分稅責修正草案那麼所設調降啤酒關鍵原物料麥芽及啤酒花關稅那麼簡簡要說明如下首先麥芽及啤酒花關稅稅率與進口情形來做說明目前麥芽他的關稅稅率皆為7.5% |
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2122.046 |
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2144.851 |
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那么近4年也就是110年到113年每年平均的进口值是新台币8亿9456万进口量是41958万公顿关税的收入是6709万元啤酒花那么它未经研磨以及已研磨的这两项那么关税税率分别是15%及7.5% |
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2148.226 |
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2152.889 |
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近四年每年平均的進口值是5236萬元進口量是127萬公噸關稅收入是393萬元那麼對於國內產業的影響 |
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2162.779 |
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2185.471 |
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我國啤酒主要的釀造業者與其和他的採購契約商進口麥芽及啤酒花都用於啤酒釀造者佔我國總進口量的比例分別是97%跟86%如果免除進口關稅可降低國產啤酒生產成本提高它的競爭力以及市場的佔有率 |
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2185.991 |
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应该有助于其和进口啤酒业者竞争那么根据农业部的农粮署表示因为大麦以及啤酒花国内并没有经济规模的栽培那么调降麦芽及啤酒花的关税税率我们农粮署它是没有意见的 |
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那本部的國庫署就九類主管機關的立場也完成了稅市支出的評估調降麥芽以及啤酒花關稅將會產生關稅稅收損失大概是7435萬元但是降稅後可以提升國產啤酒市場的競爭力 |
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促使啤酒的需求增长那么预估增加1亿6947万元的租税收入那这个收入呢包括了有烟酒税 营业税及盈利事业所得税那么另外扣除上开关税收入税收的损失以后最终税收的净效益是增加9539万元 |
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麥芽以及啤酒花的貨品是不是要調降關稅的稅率本部是國內酒類主管機關從產業的影響跟稅收損失面向分析如上那麼我們尊重貴委員會的審議結果以上說明敬請各位委員指教 謝謝好 謝謝莊部長那農業部我們就請大家參閱各位參閱我們的農業部的書面的一個報告還有嗎 |
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經濟部的經濟部有經濟部沒有書面資料經濟部沒有那我們現在開始詢答先做一下宣告每位初期委員發言時間八分鐘必要時得延長兩分鐘每位列席委員發言時間五分鐘 |
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今日上午10時截止發言登記本次會議委員若有相關修正動議請進送主席台必便議事人員整理現在我們依登記順序請登記第一位的林德福委員質詢 |
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謝謝 謝謝主席是不是請莊部長好 請莊部長委員長部長早 |
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我想今年整個稅收短徵土徵稅收減少是中央政策的責任影響相較在疫情時代經濟衰退的餘力現在中央政府似乎已經要把責任推給地方政府我請問部長 |
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地方統籌稅款會不會短波到底短波多少是有一定比例公式的依據還是單靠中央政府高興就給多少那如果是比例為何出現本席對疫情時代稅收短徵影響地方統籌稅款狀況與目前整個財政部所表示的今年短徵對地方統籌稅款影響的差距 |
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那個部長你有什麼看法跟委員報告第一個中央統籌分配稅款是用公式來計算的沒有中央高興撥多少就撥多少也就是說在財化法裡面對於什麼樣多少比例比如所得稅是10%114年是10%貨物稅以及營業稅多少%數是到中央統籌分配稅款進入中央統籌分配稅款在依照公式分配給各地方政府這個在 |
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去年底的時候就會通知各地方政府我們的分配預估數按照預算數來做分配那到時增數的時候到年度執行當中的時候我們會按時增數的情形來做分配那如果這一年的稅收也就是說所得稅 貨物稅各種稅口超過原來的預算數的話那所得分配稅款中央統籌分配稅款會比原來通知數為高的話我們會在 |
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第13次再做撥付但是如果時增數跟預算數之間有差距的話那也會事先通知地方政府叫他們議委 川部長我請教賴總統不是說包括你們包括那個主計總署說今年經濟成長率百分之七點幾是十幾年來最高的那為什麼會這種狀況呢 |
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中委員報告今年的稅收其實是比去年的實徵數來說是來得高的為什麼因為我們今年的預算數就是今年的預算數比去年的實徵數我們編列高出了947億 |
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那所以目前的實增數我們來看中央的實增數到11月為底比去年從同期1到11月是增加實增數增加539億但是跟預算數之間會有一個差距所以我們預估今年 |
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今年的實徵數跟預算數之間我們認為只會差到2%到1%之間這已經相當準但是因為這個會不會影響到中央統籌分配稅款的數額這個部分要等到12月底以後精算才知道但是我們必須要事先通知地方政府告訴他們有這個情形莊部長 |
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你像包括房市政策就好了因為中央銀行做一些管制你要把責任推給地方其實因為整個包括土增稅它的減我看到媒體報導減了500多億你要把它推給地方中央的政策要把這些問題推給地方你說這樣公平嗎 |
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我們沒有所謂的中央的政策推給地方我想房地產的房地產必須是一個在一個健康有序的一個情形來發展但房市過量大家也房市過熱大家也擔憂房價高漲第二個部分對於金融的部分我們必須要維持金融的穩定所以這個部分相關的房市政策的一些措施我想這個部分都有它的 |
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意義 政策目的在裡面土征稅是因為一個交易量減少或者是大額案件還有一個就是大額案件的交易減少因為土征稅跟它持有時間的長短是有關係的你這裡管制那裡管制包括那些青年購屋貸款原來都給的結果你又把它縮造成很多年輕人他們跳腳他認為說當初的政策跟現在所做的都有落差 |
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其實這是不應該的對不對沒有說啊 新金安貸款其實後來在那個金管會也同意銀行法的部分可以做一些排除很多那些地方的建商什麼他們都說當初有貸結果時間到了說一說他們就那些年輕人真的不知道要如何是好退也不是 不退也不是其實政府的政策應該要很 |
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就是你要出來要很縝密不是說想了就做 想了就做部長我再請教你上個禮拜媒體報導財政部表示距離年度預算目標還有2206億元的差距 |
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那預估今年將終結連四年的稅收潮增而短徵規模達300億至500億元那我請問部長經濟成長似乎就是超乎預期啊那為什麼反而呈現這個稅收的短徵你認為這會不會是國內財政轉壞的一個徵兆會不會 |
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我想跟委員報告不是國內財政轉換第一個我剛剛跟委員報告就是說我們114年的預算數比113年的實徵數增加了947億所以預算數我們的編列是達到中央的部分是2兆7845億元到目前為止的徵收的實徵數是2兆6350億元而到11月為止是比去年的實徵數還高出了539億 |
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那是因为预算数跟时增数之间的一个差距而差距只在1%到2%之间这个是一个时增数跟预算数之间的差距并不是财政的不好那至于今年的7.37%的经济成长率有一些税收会是在明年来做呈现的譬如说所得税会在明年呈现那你认为明年会好吗明年的税收我们已经编制出来还在大院在总预算审核的时候来做审议 |
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那個部長因為經濟成長只是表象也就是這個百業中少數行業一枝獨秀其他行業不但是跟不上水準甚至於還逐漸的惡化那部長如果明年還是和今年一樣甚至於更糟那我請問115年稅收短徵的規模是不是還有擴大的疑慮會不會 |
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跟委員報告我們知道在我們的出口值今年是創新高應該會突破6000億的美元那也帶動了經濟的成長那當然也是一個私通訊跟電子設備跟零組件他們的出口非常猖獗傳統產業當然沒有同步的這樣的成長我想政府也提出了相關的 |
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支持的措施在那個相關的任性的特別預算裡面都有支援我們要協助這個中小企業微型企業能夠升級跟轉型那政府都經濟部也都持續在做我想這個部分跟委員做那我就請問部長媒體報導因為稅收短徵財政部發函給地方政府五六月普通統籌稅分配款實際撥付數以分配數差額沒有辦法撥補 |
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也就是說有將近150億元的普通統籌款短波數暫時沒有辦法補足恐怕衝擊16縣市的這個整個財政的能力那部長因為民國109年和11年在新冠疫情的爆發當時經濟成長受衝擊也出現稅收短徵那地方統籌整個分配款 |
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也有短徵的這種疑慮那我請問部長對於照疫情發生時的稅收短徵以及當時地方統籌款短撥的情況你認為這次短徵規模是不是比疫情的時候還要更嚴重呢 |
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跟委員報告109年的時候中央稅收的達成率是95.6%今年一定超過這個執行率會達到98%到99%之間所以說你認為沒有問題會達到99%到98%之間如果要是沒有比疫情時更嚴重那請問為什麼今年地方統籌分配款短波會大於疫情時間的短波數呢 |
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這個是因為比例問題是不是會大於短波數我覺得最後要再做一個精算的時候才確定而且如果我們的稅收的時增數高於預算數的話我們也在第13期都會撥給地方政府 |
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因為照理講地方跟中央是要連成一體但是講實在話不要用黨派來做要不要給你中央掌權又要掌權我想這樣子老百姓眼光是很雪亮看在眼裡他們不會接受 |
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中央統籌分配稅款都用公式分配跟黨派無關都用公式分配我希望是如此法律就是這樣規定的在新冠疫情當時影響全台經濟衝擊的稅收的同時也影響地方政府可拿到的中央統籌分配款額度但是隔年109年度稅收統計完成總稅收 |
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的時增金額確實減少但反映在普通統籌分配款上實際短少僅有62億那我請問部長對於預估今年稅收短徵的狀況你認為明年114年這個稅收短徵規模是不是已經 |
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已经没有指望可以出现力亡狂澜这个小短征规模的机会 有没有当然我们因为剩最后一个月12月了那我们应该看这个税务也就委员一直关心所谓中央统筹分配税款那中央统筹分配税款是从所得税还有货物税 营业税各个税务来看的所以这个部分 |
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總數跟各稅務之間是有差距的所以我才跟委員報告說中央統籌分配稅款最後分配給地方政府的部分跟原來通知分配稅款之間的差距要最後才精算才知道而不是用一個總數來算那譬如說證交稅到目前為止比去年少了30億幣去年同期少30億但證交稅沒有到進入中央統籌分配稅款所以他的少收也不會影響到中央統籌分配稅款 |
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這部分要等到12月底以後再來大家計算更精確但是在事前我們要先通知地方政府今年的一個狀況讓他可以預為因應這是跟委員報告第二個部分報告都用公式計算跟黨派是無關我希望部長公平公正客觀就好從來都是我們依法執政是 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝林德輔委員 謝謝部長好 我們各位委員先確定議事錄請問各位委員對於議事錄有異議沒有好 議事錄確定現在請吳秉瑞委員質詢主席麻煩請財政部莊部長請莊部長委員好 |
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總部長本年度114年度截至目前為止11月底的稅收狀況是什麼樣子跟委員報告截至11月底的中央中央的稅收達成率是達成預算的達成率是94.6%那我們的實徵數到11月為止比去年同期的實徵數事實上是增加了539億 |
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那分配数是94.2嘛时增数是94.6嘛所以11月底的时候时增数还超过分配数的比例嘛时增对对对所以应该如果12月没有什么意外的话应该也是会达到整个100%的这个税收的比例啊 |
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目前來說我們的估計是用過去三年的12月份它的時增數的一個平均數抓一個高跟低之間但事實上要超過會不會超過預算數我們覺得是有挑戰的所以我們認為目前來說大概達成率大概到98%到99%之間妳這個算法怎麼會對呢11月底的分配數是94.2 |
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就代表原來的分配數是12月是要收5.8%嘛那你的時增數已經94.6也就是說你12月的時候是要收到5.2%所以你到11月底還超標結果你跟我講12月底你認為只會到98 99那你意思說你12月會短收很多囉 |
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我们的分配数达成率是以分配数达成率是98.398.3不是啦我刚刚问你到11月底11月底的分配数是94.2对不对原报告中央政府的部分达成的分配预算数的比例是98.3%在全年的预算数达成是94.6 |
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你那講的是實質的收到的數目我跟你說你到11月尾底分配數是94.2%94.2%這個是數字是你們提供的嘛分配數但是你們的達成數是94.6%也就是說你們超過了0.4%表現很好啊 |
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委員我不知道我們提供的是根據這邊的統計達到分配預算數的比就分配是到11月的分配數是98.3但全年度達成率是94.6對啊就11月底你們的達成數是94.6我沒有說錯問題是你們的分配數是94.2那分配數94.2達成94.6 |
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還是說你們是分配數的94.6那個署長你幫幫部長回答一下 |
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報告委員是這樣我們先講時增數就是我們先講我們原來分配到11月底的預算數到全年的比例原來該拿到的是98.9%但我們現在時增數佔整個累計我們的預算數分配比例只有到94.2%我只是跟你先問11月底對 我現在都是講11月底你給我們的數字是到11月底分配數是94.2%時增數是94.6% |
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那是中央數跟全國數剛才委員您講的那個94.2是全國數94.6是中央數不是指那個預算數佔整個累積預算數的點那再問一個問題就是說因為今年你們一個特殊的政策就是因為台灣跟美國在貿易談判所以你們那個佔繳稅款的部分你可以分期嗎還是那個印繳的稅款可以分期 |
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那個到底是會影響多少你有沒有估過目前我們現在統計的數字大概600因為我們統計有點落後現在是616億左右包括中央稅跟地方稅那個如果加進來是不是今年一樣114年度的總稅收也是會到達百分之百但是它會陸續會回收因為它是分期繳納我知道啦對 它會陸續回收我們對話其實在同一個平台上我們不要這樣我的意思是說今年 |
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如果把這個暫時讓人家先不用繳的這一部分將來可以回收部分也算進來今年的實收數事實上也是會到達百分之百嘛是不是好謝謝來我們再請部長繼續請部長部長那今年因為到現在12月中了剩下兩個禮拜這個會期法定會期結束到現在總預算還沒有付尾對不對是的 |
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那總預算還沒有付也就是沒有審查那沒有審查會造成什麼影響到目前沒有審查會讓我們的在施政上會有一些摯愛為什麼因為明年度的稅出預算都會受到限制那第一個不能超過114年的實際執行數那有一些新興計畫也沒有辦法執行 |
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好 那我現在問一個問題剛剛前一個委員關心那個統籌分配稅款統籌分配稅款雖然是照公司分配但是是不是也納入我們收入的全部 |
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統籌分配稅款在中央政府部分因為我們在編列中央政府稅客收入的時候就把中央統籌分配稅款就切出去了並沒有在我們的稅客收入裡面所以不用進入本院審查就沒有在因為就按照那個財化法裡面的稅收的比例去把它劃到地方的稅客收入裡面去那現在我已經我自己也亂掉了你財化法現在這麼多的版本有 |
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之前的版本修正了第一版修正了第二版現在第三版行政院說他現在不附屬對不對所以不附屬照憲法的規定暫時還沒有生效力所以就是如以前一版而言統籌分配稅款現在你估計可以分給地方政府的金額有多少明年估計數這當然是估計數了 |
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以8840億8840億所以如果就是說我們這邊預算不省這8840億也是會撥下去的對 它就進入地方的稅客收入裡面去但是因為你那個最新就是在生效前最後一個版本它對於統籌分配稅款的來源它有一些來源別的更改譬如說你的營業稅的部分是多少比例分給地方跟你以前比起來差別多少 |
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它是扣掉这个基增成本以及统一发票奖金以后全部都给地方一页税那以前是给多少以前是40%那现在等于他们会多拿50%几对因为你的基增跟这个统一发票的成本也没有多少对那个大概会占几%大概1.5% |
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那所以就是他們會拿到等於會拿到58.5%地方政府會多拿到58.5%的這個營業稅那這一部分的營業稅的總金額大概會佔多少跟委員報告我們以114年度中央政府我們的營業稅的編列的稅率是3830億但是我們在115年根據新的財化法的話我們只有296億的營業稅的稅可收入 |
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地方政府會等於是會你估計會增加多少他在這個部分的金額比去年比今年115年比114年就增加了3534億好那現在假設我們預算沒有審查因為我看起來是不會審的那沒有審查這3000這增加了3000多億跟連以前那3000多億總共8000多億一樣是撥給地方政府就是統籌分配稅款的這部分 |
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中央统筹分配税款在今年115年明年是达到了8874亿那这个部分已经进入地方政府的税客收入里面去划规去了 |
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對但是由中央徵收只是我們徵收完之後是要撥給地方政府這個沒有經過我們的這個年度中央的總預算沒有在裡面那如果這樣少了這些的話中央的總預算你們估計會少多少就稅客收入的部分營業稅這50幾%也撥給地方之後光這一部分中央的稅會少多少3038億也就是說114年度中央的稅收 |
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可以算中央的本來是兩兆七千多億光課稅的部分那少了這三千多億中央就馬上少了兩兆四千多億就成為兩兆四千八百零七億所以你今年的這個預算收入 |
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雖然沒有審查但送到本院來的已經照這樣子編列了是不是目前的總預算是這樣編列的那所以你今年明年度的這個稅科收入這個編列的總數跟今年度是差多少就是差3038億所以你是估計明年都沒有成長跟今年比起來明年都沒有成長沒有啊你看中央統籌分配稅款不是啦我是說這3000多億這部分就已經先劃掉不要再算的話剩下的部分中央的稅收有沒有增加 |
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是有增加的增加在哪一部分加在稅目裡面包含所得稅是有增加7%那增加的還有就是遺證稅我們略微編有增加那其他像這個遺證稅還有都減少的對 |
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只有所得稅有增加7%所以也就是說今年度114年度的中央的稅客收入跟明年度現在送到立法院來還沒有審查的這個115年度的會計年度的這個中央稅客收入差距是多少差短少了多少錢 |
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10增數跟預估數因為你115年就還沒有增你怎麼會知道10增數那就差到了差不多也是3000多億超過3000億3000多億問題是中央哪一部分的支出可以可以受升不然這3000多億是不是都要舉債對所以我們115年度總預算編列的舉債數2992億你的稅出又縮減了哪一些部分 |
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稅出的部分當然是由主計總處這邊來做指引不知道 但他今天不在所以我請你一併回答你知道嗎主要是說減少了哪一些部分 |
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中央的部分的施政其實有很多都是有重要那我們其實以財政部來說也是有縮減我們的稅出的部分因為有一些計畫完成我們就沒有再做編排所以照理來講錢多這麼多你應該事權要分配啊那地方政府多做哪一些事中央政府哪一些事少做所以我們的錢可以減少這部分是不是應該爬梳離親啊當然是 是的 |
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所以你們現在最近工作很多雖然沒有省預算這部分的工作好像省起來了但是其他要整理的事情很多我跟你說地方政府的尤其是地方議會的議員跟我反映他們現在在地方他們認為他們預算都省假的因為到底他們會拿到多少錢什麼東西他們都不清楚所以好像在開玩笑一樣有的甚至還說那我就只要是先編然後不能來的我就先舉借 |
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等等弄成一團糟從上到下全部都一團糟這也就是說在財化法修正的時候完全沒有討論市權而只是討論到錢要怎麼樣劃出去但市權沒有並同討論所以造成這樣的一個現象好 謝謝你工作很多加油謝謝不要說沒有預算了那就不用做事光領薪水這個不行的這個跟國際民生都有關係好 謝謝吳秉瑞委員接下來請賴氏寶委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席 一起各位先進有請財政部的莊部長好 請莊部長是 委員好部長 行政院長卓榮泰在開會說開記者會不附屬 你就在旁邊這個不附屬是不是你在旁邊慫恿他不附屬 |
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跟委員報告在11月14號三讀通過的這個財化法的再修正案我們必須要記者會因為這樣的記者會通過了以後會要中央舉債2646億本來就舉債2000多了2000多就超過債限的部分這是我們財政部的立場一定要跟長官要說明我跟你講你不必這個你也沒有這個權利你也不敢跟他說不啦這個東西 |
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中華民國總統用簡賴清德總統說行政院卓院長表明本次修正侵害行政權違憲重大且明顯 |
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怎麼會賴清德見大法官呢卓榮泰怎麼見大法官呢違不違憲是憲法法庭來定的不是卓榮泰定的也不是你莊卓宇定的這個11141114通過立法院的版本你們行政院後來的版本為什麼1114不拿來討論呢清楚來看所以現在只能夠我想你沒辦法回答我不要你回答我只是要告訴你 |
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告訴全國的我們的這個難民了立法院三讀通過的法案行政院長沒有權力不附屬他附屬是義務他們喜歡舉三十四年前郝柏村不附屬 那是不附屬人事案李登輝前總統要提名蔣仲林為一級上將郝柏村認為資歷不夠 NO |
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只有這樣子中華民國憲法在台灣實施幾十年只有那麼一次針對人事 針對預算陳水扁當總統八年也是少數執政一個案子都沒有提過這個不復甦 |
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沒有 所以行政院長是他的義務不是權力憲法第3條講得非常清楚他可以提復議案復印不過他就要接受所以卓榮泰明明就是迴憲亂政違憲的做法不要忘了立法院通過的法律不管你喜不喜歡你就要去實施不管你喜不喜歡所以你過程當中要跟立委要討論 |
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你不能夠無法無天目前的做法就是無法無天選擇性的你說什麼取債多少取債多少就簡單啦你中央少做一點事情就可以了給地方做啊有什麼問題呢根本一點問題也沒有所以取債多少是你隨便講講隨便講講我就問你這不是隨便講講我跟你講那你告訴我你回答我 |
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是否違憲你沒有資格講違憲的問題啦憲法大法庭來講違憲哪有資格講總統派人沒有資格講賴清德人沒有資格講更何況你莊崔瑩哪裡有資格講違不違憲對不對不要把自己以為大頭病啊自己多大啊部長多大沒有很大喔 |
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你們不要無法無天 目前就是無法無天到底的獨裁 到底獨裁國家選擇性 喔 通過了 我高興了 接受不高興了 不要 不附屬哪裡有這樣的民主國家全世界 你看哪一個民主國家 你看川普多麼的強勢啊 國會 |
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不給預算通過整個就停擺啊整個政府機關就停擺啊我們的預算法裡面還客氣讓你舊的錢可以用如果我們跟美國一樣停擺啊這個就是民主國家啊人家川普不喜歡要這個預算嗎對不對 這民主國家就是依法行政 依法行政 依法行政我們通過了法律 |
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你再這麼不喜歡你就是要做做了有什麼後果政治人物負責任以後選民不要選他以後負政治責任了這個才是民主國家來我們來看你就告訴我你現在115年編的統籌分配稅款財務法是不是根據三月份通過的對不對對嘛那增加多少增加多少比去年增加多少比114年增加4198億 |
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就是115年中央統籌分配稅款規模到8,874億可是你減少了一般補助款呢你又減少了計畫補助款呢一般性補助款維持2,501億那計畫性補助款變一點點而已啊 對不對你的標是這樣子啊所以這個要三個一起看啦三個一起看請問你增加多少就統籌加一般加計畫全部增加多少 |
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全部三項加起來是一兆一千六百八的三億比114年增加一千五百五十二億增加一千五啦不是你講的四千多啦三個全部加起來您剛剛問的是中央統籌分配稅款所以我就中央統籌分配稅款來說明所以三個要一起看統籌加一般加計畫增加一千五百多億沒有你講的多偉大啦四千多億啦第二個因為我時間有限第二個 |
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你們講了對外講了說今年稅收要比去年減少500億有這個意思嗎不是比去年減少是比這個預算數跟預算數相比那預算數今年115年114年編列的比去年的實增數增加917億這個標題講的實在是聳動啦就為了不要再發普發現金嘛這樣而已 |
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這個大家的了解你這裡面其實有一個項目剛才有提到了 銀索稅的佔繳款那個是可以操作的啦所以根本不會有這個數字說減少比預算減少500億你們一樣可以讓他不會跟預算一樣 |
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才好看啊 你介紹不好看啊委員 我們是就事實來做說明那五百億這是一個預估的數字所以跟委員報告就是說我們目前來說因為大家都 比如說大家都會問那跟今年的預算數達成率是怎麼樣達成率多少嘛報告數就是大概98到99之間就這樣子啊那達成預算數是有挑戰的我們是用事實來做說明你所說的佔加款多交一點就有了啊 |
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那個銀索稅這個部分沒有錯銀索稅 多繳一點就有了當然依照法令它要繳納對 依法繳納 好 我要問你稅劇剩餘剩多少 現在目前來說就稅劇剩餘是主計總署在估算的多少 |
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目前應該是已經 我就所知是沒有沒有稅據勝利嗎所以1.25兆那個顧立雄提出來的來清台總統要的1.25兆他說是財源稅據勝利加取債 |
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這個叫瞞天過海 事實上就是舉債啦全數舉債 一個人要舉債5.43億啦 事實上亂啦特別條例是分年編列 分期編列他的裁員有兩項可以錄 當然是要看整體的接收狀況OECD宣布啊 虛擬貨幣申報框架CRF |
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12月4號他們說2027號有48個國家要交換文件去年財政部說你要營業到日時機你們有沒有營業有關所謂的虛擬貨幣或者是穩定幣它在目前來說在金管會有訂有虛擬資產的服務法 |
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那目前應該還在行政院嘛那等到這個法制化確認了以後它相關的性質確認那賦稅當然是跟著它最後的定位的定性的性質來做賦稅的處理那目前我們看我們相關的相關它的定性以後以目前的稅制來說是可以有相關的可以適用的所以你也告訴我們一個方向可以嗎以後是要課所得稅還是課教育稅還是怎麼樣 |
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看它是什麼樣的一個定性以後所以資產什麼叫什麼定性定性它就是看它是不是屬於證券支付工具還是證券對 是支付工具還是證券性質然後再用相關的訊號先穩定幣就是支付工具支付工具有什麼可能我想這個有關那個資產服務法裡面相關通過以後我想這個性質會更確定是 |
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這個要 因為現在這個承接量也很大啦而且穩定必須要開始各國在發行特別是美國變成是跨境在交易都是這一塊我覺得財政部你去年已經宣布你說要延役到現在為止都沒有延役喔要趕快延役了 可以嗎 |
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不是 你開箱嗎 有沒有是 我們有研議那我想研議的情形也可以那這樣好不好 那就等會你去提一點行政院的那個那個金管會提的案子通過以後你多久可以出來 |
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行政院通過以後你多久可以出來可以怎樣可以出來可以出來已經課稅制度是不是對大概多久三個月三個月可以吧我想在立法院行政院通過版本以後三個月內在立法院審議通過之前我們一定就會出來最後一個小問題也是很重要的問題你們的國稅局都缺人我要替你替你擔心 |
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北國南高雄國北部的北區國稅局中區國稅局南區國稅局欠人欠到這樣你看預算額缺額都這樣事實上所以這個停侃年金就很有道理啊就大家不要考報考高考的人越來越少到你們的分得也越來越少你可以看到 |
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缺了大概將近6%而且是預算數實際上你編的還沒這麼多請問你編線比多少 編線比編線比 線有編制跟實際的這個部分我們有可能要 手邊沒有這個資料可能回去要再查這樣子事實上我這裡是給你高估預算8400人事實上你的限制沒有這麼多 |
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沒有8400人的這個資料這個會有給我們編制員通常超過預算員編制員會超過現在我想這樣子國稅局的同仁當然缺額是有出現我們也努力的就改善工作環境確實 |
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稅務工作非常的繁雜也非常的繁複然後民眾當然也會希望稅務同仁在服務的時候能夠多加的說明跟更有耐心那當然同仁在工作上的辛苦我們都理解我們希望你也希望委員能夠多支持我們聽出來就是聽你講話說你們缺人啊對不對 鼓勵大家來報考 |
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委員能夠多支持我們這個預算對 我們預算能夠支持那同仁才能夠獲得相對比較好的工作環境現在報考人數也少了跟公教的年金一直砍也有關係啦所以停砍年金啦是一個正確的做法讓你好的人能夠進來公務體系嘛你看這個你這個不是今年這樣而已喔去年也這樣子喔每一年都缺額財政部來講的話很辛苦的 國稅局也很辛苦的 |
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工作非常辛苦 要請委員支持好 謝謝賴時保委員質詢接下來請郭國文委員謝謝主席 有請莊部長請莊部長 |
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委員好部長好剛剛一直在爭論說我們的我國的稅收到底有沒有短徵的問題其實遇與道破就在於說我們今年編列的這個那個稅客收入的部分本來在整個預算書的審查就增加了4705億對不對 |
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立法院的审查的时候又加码105亿 不是吗所以也就是说在比起今年比起去年的部分在税收的部分就增加了4810亿 不是吗这就符合我们原来预估数所以300到500亿之间也不够相差大概1%而已就被诠释成所谓的经济衰退什么税收倒退你们这要讲清楚好不好 |
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那第二个的部分就内容的部分才是关键的所在你去看我们今年1到11月的进口总值这个同期成长23.5%可是我们的关税收入还衰退3.8% |
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你們有沒有去研究過到底是什麼原因是需求不足 投資不足除了車輛衰退11%之外還沒有什麼其他的可能性你們要去說明是這個問題部長 我就請教你你不是說個理由 |
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关税的减收最主要还是因为汽车的关系就是汽车11%才11%不是吗这都是问题你们要去了解说产业上是不是有偏重哪些哪些出了问题你们从关税的角度出现了什么问题这是第一个对不对第二个货物税的部分减少可是问题 |
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过去小额包裹的这个免税的问题上个会期这个部长你就说要检讨要检讨到哪里去那最近整个中国货物已经把整个台湾的市场内地化了不是吗上次你有一个正面回应你说要去研究检讨要检讨到哪里去那第一叫请消这个问题已经影响到台湾的这个相关的内需产业是第一第二个部分你也没有去评估过 |
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到底去年這個小額包裹我們總共得到5000件你去看看美國也取消這個免稅的門檻歐盟跟英國也都取消了那到底財政部的態度怎麼樣也沒看到 你們說要檢討到底這個5000件如果假設取消這個免稅的門檻的話也就是一年12次半年6次2000元這個部分會不會增加多少稅收部長 你們到底有沒有做研究 |
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這個部分確實財政部也已經研議了然後我們我們認為這個部分我們原來從3000降為2000那是不是要再做調整我們已經有初步方案會跟行政院再做討論那你至少你當初討論你也跟那個委員會這邊回覆一下你們評估多少會影響稅收影響多少你們讓我們知道一下對不對 |
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我们可以把相关数据给委员另外最近从内容当中房地合一税衰退了3.9%看起来好像很大其实不是是自然人的税收的部分是衰退了23.9%其实公司行号还是一直在买然后就有人讲话说财政部长说认为央行打太凶所以税收短缺部长你有讲这句话吗 |
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沒有那個是媒體下的標題內容完全沒有好像你在打臉央行的臉是標題下的你要澄清你是部長你看我們再仔細看一下內容這些量價的變化反映在房市的後市的部分你去看 |
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两税合一的部分少了这些钱两税合一少了3.9但事实上它坐落在短期的这个部分就是适用税率20%的这个部分跟过去相比这个就不一样就减少比例但是在20%的部分以前45% 35%是最高的税收来源现在变成20%也就是说过去短期投资客 |
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会征收到比较多的税金现在变中长期的投资客会征收到比较多的税金那其实这个也是理性你往前推45跟20相差25那20到15你相差只有5而已所以会做到这个部分来做一个交易的一个结算这个部分你有没有考虑过财政部从这一个两税合一当中你怎么去看未来你可能税收的预估也可以评估未来的房市的状况怎么样部长你到底有没有去评估过 |
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这才是关键所在对我们在税收的一个估算的时候会把这些的因素都会放进去那未来房市你怎么看你说未来的什么房市房地产的市场是不是那从最近来看它事实上交易量是有减少然后价格是平稳的所以你会调降你房地合一税的这个税收的目标吗 |
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会去一起检讨的会检讨是调降还是调升那当然应该是会因为房地合一税这个部分事实上跟他的持有期间的长短就有关系当时他的目的就是希望要不要做短期的投资而已这个部分了解那我们当然认为交易量减少他的这个税收当然就会跟着减少跟交易量会有关系 |
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現在是11月而已還有一個月的時間現在短收的部分只有3.9%你們去評估看看但是說來的話說到這個就要跟部長就較一個部分既然是這樣子的話你看房地產的趨勢可能就是相對的看空相對的看空的情況底下我們就要問 |
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為什麼最近我們財政部還對外講出會有所謂的新清安的2.0為什麼 |
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新清安這個政策到明年115年的7月就告一個段落那至於未來這個部分要做怎麼樣的一些調整你是因為房市摔下來然後你要支撐房市嗎倒也不是我們會因為要借期了嘛那後續要怎麼樣的來做推出或做怎麼樣處理我們這個部分要預先預擬當然房地產的市場金融市場以及整個情況我們都會納入我們考慮的一個因素 |
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可是那个条件上是受到诟病最多的就是以前你把旧清安改成新清安的时候把年限三十年改成四十年把这个宽限期三年变五年然后把额度八千变一千额度八千它变一千老实讲本席没有什么意见之前本席就跟你讨论过为什么过去清清安当中会让人家觉得诟病的地方它会变一个奇货你五年刚刚好 |
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你剛剛房地合一的交易的成本金額最低如果說你還持有6年自住的話你還可以用10%的稅率而且還有400萬的免稅額等於是你參與這個新青岸的購買行動相對於炒房當中你又不用繳稅所以一大堆人集體集團在那邊購買新青岸就是過去新青岸一直受到詬病的地方不漲 |
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你有没有把这个问题想进去当你要推新清案的时候这些都应该要做检讨不是吗 |
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在新清安的执行过程当中我们有检讨也做调整第一个我们对各银行在审核的时候要加强审核第二个对于所谓的人头户或是买了以后出租的严加去追溯然后一生只有一次你不能买进又卖出你讲到这个就是外界一直受到抨击的地方以前就是你们是大方送根本没有事先的这个审核的门槛是被检讨了之后才有事后的查核不是吗 |
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原来事先都没有事后才加也事先的审核一定要有现在的问题就来了就是要问你你接下来所谓的新青岚2.0你有没有身分上的一些限制这是其一其二在条件门槛上没有可能调整的空间你不要告诉本席说因为时间到了要衔接那如果衔接出来又是这种方式就不是在救青年购屋而是在救房市 |
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5105 |
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委員這個部分不是這個委員您提的不是對我的意思就是說您提到就是說後續要怎麼樣做我們目前在蒐集各界的意見以及看房地產的市場金融市場整個變化會做調整嗎就是說條件上要購買的條件上你要有一些門檻 |
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对不对 身分嘛 对不对第二个的部分呢也就是说你要什么要继续用这个所谓的宽限期五年让他把它期货化这要思考嘛 |
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对啊 你们要退缩回来避免炒房对不对好 主要本事委员的意见我们都会纳入对 这个很关键要退缩之后要慎思好不好那接下来那个刚刚你就提了你那个整个税收的因为 |
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财发法的版本的修改之前的第一个版本已经通过了明年的部分整个中央会少了3000少了3000几亿对不对超过3000亿3000亿38亿好 3000亿38亿那也是地方你会多给的好像3543你刚刚讲是这样子 |
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三千多亿嘛就简单的讲中央少了很多要举债地方多了很多结果每次谈到这个税制的改变的时候你都对地方非常的体贴特别是这个娱乐税跟这个樱花税每次跟你提到的时候你就说我们要问一下地方的意见地方呢基本上呢认为是不宜废掉这个樱花税跟娱乐税为什么因为要保留地方的自由的甩元跟财务自主的空间那我问你啊 |
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部長 現在已經增加了3000多億地方已經增加了3000多億了夯不啷噹 我算過這是印花稅多少錢不過是多少 188億 對地方然後娛樂稅是21億加起來不過是210億 |
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我问一下部长有没有重新检讨的空间主动权在你身上娱乐税的修正草案已经送请大院在审议当中了那印花税188亿对地方来说他们是都坚持反对要把它废除 |
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你就说因为财源现在财源多那么多你还因为这个你要站在税制改革的角度第一次在审查货物税或使用牌照税他们都说你如果减了税使用牌照税这是我地方税你如果给我修了你就要补我税损这个事实上是当然我们了解但是因为涉及到地方的财政制度我们还是要参考地方政府的意见你要增加这么多钱你还在讲这种话那他们都还讲这种话你们剧本能不能改一下 |
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不是我的剧本是他们的剧本你这财政不是听地方财政局的话那是地方税 地方税问题是税基的部分你可以调整不是吗 部长学丁权在你你回去好好检讨一下可不可以现在已经没有所谓的他的财务自主的问题了 |
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他的財務狀況這麼好你還在考慮這一個問題條件不一樣了 部長重新檢討一下好不好好 謝謝委員是 謝謝委員請部長再回去檢討一下好 謝謝郭國文委員接下來請賴會員委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席 我請我們財政部部長還有榮良署署長榮良署陳副署長 陳副署長部長 我想今天我們要面對就是不公平的一個貿易的傾銷的一個險境下我們怎麼樣保護住本土的釀酒產業的命脈 |
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那在這裡我想跟你探討一下就是說如果我請教你就是說我們的啤酒花跟中麥芽那到底一年進口多少的數量那這一個關稅是多少然後你的稅損是多少 |
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麥芽它的進口平均每一年的進口量是41958萬公噸那大概關稅稅收是6700萬那至於啤酒花的話每年平均大概進口量是127公噸那關稅收入是393萬 |
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所以如果就是說你降低關稅的話你的稅損會是多少這兩樣 |
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有沒有算過 有算過如果我們降低關稅的話就關稅的稅收損失大概是7435萬但是因為降稅以後我們認為可以提升我們國產啤酒市場的競爭力讓我們的啤酒的需求可以增加所以認為預估可以增加的稅收是16974萬 |
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所以扣就是增加扣掉一來一去的話一來一去的話事實上是可以增加9539萬的還是可以淨收益的還可以淨收益9000多萬目前的稅收的評估是這樣謝謝委員 |
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好那事實上就是說財政部雖然祭出了還請銷稅但可是這個數字會說話為什麼就是進口的這個啤酒進口量不減緩增這個是不是這個事實是不是告訴我們說你的還請銷其實是沒有用的你看我們現在就是截至這個114年到10月底為止我們進口的啤酒 |
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就講這個中國大陸它是64%那台灣我們自己的就是市產額的這個佔有率才36%那顯然你的還請敲碎是沒有用的 |
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所以部長有沒有想到一個更好的方式就是說我把它計較在就是降低成本的顏料來支持在地的產業以及檢視目前國內的農產品的一個培育計畫那我不知道就是說你對於國產品啤酒面臨的在死亡交叉跟進口的死亡交叉你的還請銷稅有沒有要再做什麼樣的一個補充 |
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跟委員報告謝謝委員的提示從您這張做的表裡面你看中國大陸裡面進口的啤酒佔比佔了64%相當的高我們從開始課徵反請銷稅從7月開始課徵臨時反請銷稅以及回溯課徵以後它的進口量事實上已經在縮減可以看到這個部分課徵反請銷稅的一個效益 |
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7月3號我們開始課臨時反請銷稅已經大幅減少在7月到11月我們統計已經減少85%的一個進口量 |
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減少85%的進口量那顯然就是跟六月相比就用六月相比那會不會是只是一個階段性所以顯然如果這樣子的話差別是這麼大的話那你的還請銷售這個這個政策就是成功的 |
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當然如同委員說的他可能有季節性的一個因素但是我們11月27號已經公告了這個啤酒稅返請銷稅已經確定了會課到31% 19%甚至到51%左右那我們會看後續的一個效果另外我們也有回溯課徵11月27號返請銷稅公告也 |
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有回溯課程會回溯到4月4號顯然顯然這一個如果我們從那個市場的那個數據上來看的話我們的還請銷是有效的今天特別要跟就是部長跟所有各位就是做一個就是台灣的精釀精釀啤酒尤其是台灣的農作物高質化成功的一個典換那個部長你知道這一瓶酒叫做桂花他是用桂花釀的 |
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這一瓶酒叫做米魯它是用我們貨幣最好的白米去釀的所以我們其實都看到了台灣精釀的啤酒的一個市場那顯然就是說在降低顏料的成本跟支持在地的一個研發是可以幫台灣就是我們的台灣啤酒 |
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另外再殺出重圍我在這裡要特別跟部長做一個探討如果我們鼓勵青年返鄉創業在鼓勵農產子的一個價值的話是不是應該就是對於這一些在地因為農業本來就免稅可是你進到了這一個精量廠的時候有沒有辦法幫他們免稅 |
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今天這個提案裡面有關啤酒花跟麥芽這個部分委員提案都建議關稅調降為零這個部分財政部立場認為是說因為可以降低關稅的負擔就可以降低我們國產啤酒的生產成本提高它的競爭力跟市占率 |
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我們認為他可以這樣子更好可以跟進口的啤酒來競爭而且我們也徵詢過農業部農糧署的意見對於國內的相關的農業產業並沒有影響所以在這個部分對於委員提案的有關降低關稅的部分財政部基本上是支持的也就是委員也提到就是說降低他們的一個生產成本讓他更有競爭力然後市占率可以提高以上 |
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我在針對的這個副署長我再請教你那個農糧署副署長我再請教你一下就是說在未來是不是有相對應的一個配套的一個措施我們知道就是說這個啤酒花那個就是啤酒花已經在花蓮的農改廠已經開始試種了試種的效果也非常好那就是說本土的啤酒花如果就是可以有一個規模的一個產量的話 |
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那就是把這個面積擴大還有加上補貼的話是不是有辦法就是說把這個農業的培育計畫跟產業的轉型就是把它就是做一個很大的提升有沒有機會你們有沒有這樣的一個氣魄那委員有講到因為大麥跟啤酒花這兩項都是溫帶作物那目前在國內它沒有一個 |
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经济的栽培规模所以对进口关税调降的部分农业部农粮署是没有意见那委员有讲到我现在在问你的就是说你的啤酒花是不是就是在花莲农改厂已经试种成功了吗那你可以扩大这个面积吗这个部分农业部农粮署跟花莲区农业改良厂他们在花莲的玉林那边你有没有这样的一个计划 |
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它已经有市中的灾培那你要补贴嘛那是走特色化的部分我们会就本土的灾培跟市中特色的部分也会加以辅导所以你的面积要扩大嘛我们会加以辅导国内的部分那是面积要不要扩大我们会看灾培市中的情况来做辅导推广 |
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所以你現在站在這邊你也還是還在規劃中我想你提出計畫來好不好好 這個我們會來規劃顯然現在我聽一聽好像也沒有看到一個比較特別因為這個本來就是已經培育成功了你當然要擴大面積不然你怎麼讓它減稅呢那你怎麼扶持國內的啤酒產業呢 |
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我們會來規劃因為這個部分花蓮去農改廠在花蓮已經有市眾我們會來看市眾的情況再做推廣再接著我想再請教一下財政部長就是說有一則外媒的廣告就是美國關稅的豁免到底是善意還是一個漏洞 |
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我們要謹慎就是說川普川普他是不是會鎖定台灣的一個半導體那他這裡頭講到的一個說美國自台灣進口的商品只有23%是被徵收緊急的關稅然後 |
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在42%的商品裡頭獲得豁免的關稅那另外35%是試用就是貿易擴張那個貿易擴張法的第232條那部長我在這裡要請教目前我們有沒有盤點哪一些商品是被課稅的又有哪一些商品是被豁免的就你所知 |
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有關台美關稅的相關的談判目前行政院的談判的代表都還在持續的在沒有錯我想他們這個部分如果有最後的結果一定會跟社會來做報告對 是這些被課稅這被課稅的是到底哪一些產業 |
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你不可能都完全不知道那課稅的當然目前來說台灣輸美的部分就是所用暫時關稅是20%也就是N加20%這樣的來課稅也就是這樣有一些也是0%的譬如說像晶片的話我們的集體電路這些都是進口關稅因為是有232條款目前來說在赴美的條款關稅稅率還是0 |
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那到底有42%的商品是获得豁免的关税吗这个有没有包括就是我们的半导体这42%有没有包括我们的半导体我想这个部分都还在目前谈判的当中那当然试用232条款的部分当然还是目前来说还是维持试用232条款如果试用在232的话它就有35%的商品那试用在232的话又是哪些商品 |
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部長可以跟我們說明一下嗎這個部分可能相關的細節蠻多的232條款適用的商品232適用的商品可以誰回答我我們看一下我們手邊的資料 |
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你們總不會就是說我們就是備詢的時候才特別去關心到232到底是哪些商品財政部232的部分有鋼鋁汽車還有一些汽車的一些配件還有一些木製品銅製品等等大概應該將近有10項左右 |
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是啊所以說這些商品的話事實上就是說其實都是非常多的就是說等於是你可以告訴大家這個是一個利多他們是不會被課到稅的是不是這樣子我可以不可以這樣講232的條款跟這一次的對等關稅是不一樣課232的就不會課對等關稅所以232能不能獲得豁免那可能還是要雙邊談判 |
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232已經是會被豁免的那個貿易擴這個應該是很清楚了你還這樣贏了為大家又引起市場的恐慌 |
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你這樣回答的話是不是所以部長我想就是說我們回答得非常謹慎所以有關台美關稅團你們就是非常的謹慎過度的謹慎每一次都引發市場的一個緊張當然就是說 |
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我想就是針對的半導體如果未來有進行到課稅的話財政部你要如何因應那我想提供一些那個就是你們的那個因應的資料跟本息在這裡我這樣子跟就是財政部要這些資料好不好再提供書面的因應資料給賴委員謝謝賴會員委員接下來我們請李彥秀委員質詢 |
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感謝召委我是不是可以請部長請莊部長還有公務署署長還有公務署 彭署長 |
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委員好部長好署長早安我們隨著後疫情民眾所有的消費習慣都做了一個很大的改變我觀察到我們每一年進口快遞的數量現在民眾都習慣在平台上購物無論從各國歐洲美國包括大陸都有 |
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所以進口快遞的數目都是呈現攀升的狀況我從關務署進口快遞貨物的檢疫報單收單的份數當中我觀察到從去年114年1月到10月總共有52,000 |
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52555萬份然後113年1月到10月總共有4608萬份我們今年11 12月現在的11 12月剛好又是聖誕的旺季又碰到這個雙11跟12分量 |
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其实无论是感恩节或者是圣诞节其实都吸引大批的民众从欧美中国大陆购买优惠的商品我想这个是整个后疫情时代大家消费习惯的改变所以伴随整个跨境的物流带来大量的无论是在空运的部分或者在海块通关的需求对于我们关务署来说我知道是一个非常大的挑战 |
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那我這邊我要請問部長是說從去年11、12月進口快遞貨物檢疫報單的收單數來看我們今年已經達到1238萬份那我們預估今年到年底到底會不會超過去年的份數關於進口量的一個趨勢我是不是可以請管務署來做說明署長今年會不會超過去年的 |
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根據統計來說今年的量跟去年差不多啦差不多你的數字大概是多少那包括今年總數差不多那我請問11 12月的海關海運跟空運的快遞平均會不會比去年差應該不會因為這些都是忘記 |
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應該是不會比去年差數字一樣嗎 是多還是少差不多 應該差不多 數字都差不多十月差不多差距不大 |
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差距不大 是差多少麻煩你會有提供給我數字據我私底下的了解我們11月的收單數會呈現下滑的狀況因為我們現在大批的人力都花在前一陣子非洲豬瘟我們要加強查緝部長 我覺得加強查緝 |
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我認為是應該的但是我們不能發生事情才加強茶氣嘛對於非洲豬瘟我覺得國人食品的安全我向來都非常的重視所以它應該是一個長期的 |
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檢查方式不是因為現在發生事情之後我加強查緝部長你了解我在講什麼的邏輯嗎你清楚嗎了解委員的意思也就是說我們變你現在加強查緝之前我從媒體上看到說我面臨非洲說我們加強查緝這句話另外一個層面的意思就是告訴我說過去都是邊境管理鬆散 |
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這個狀況所以就是說我重視食品安全我覺得那是應該是一套長期標準的SOP什麼樣的標準的SOP什麼樣的量能是我們覺得足夠的 |
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他不是應該是發生事情之後我們加強查緝那我要請問一下就是說11月的海運跟空運的快遞總共查獲了幾件豬肉署長你這邊有數字嗎115件左右115件跟過去我們查緝查到的比例數字的比例有沒有太大的差別 |
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跟去年大概是應該是有增加有增加我們因為加強茶系的增加多少 還是有一些增加這個比例的數字如果要佔比的話可能要再總比一下你花那麼多的精力我想知道數量因為 |
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你這個110多件跟我們現在手提行李一般帶進來的民眾不了解說這個蛋捲裡面有含豬肉啦帶進來的麵包裡面不小心含有小火腿啦 |
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我覺得都應該仔細的檢查我的大原則大方向還是如此但是謝謝委員的支持不講不講但是我還是要強調那是一個長期對於邊境管理很標準的一個SOP我不希望是因為發生事情才來處理但是我要提到的是民眾消費習慣改變之後對於無論通關從哪一個國家買進來從平台上購物的那個量我覺得 |
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公務署還是要去做處理跟解決因為這是民眾的權我們常在講貨要出得去也要進得來人要流通我們的國家財務狀況才會健全才會更好我想你了解我的意思所以現在 |
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很多貨都塞在無論空運或海運都塞在我們目前靠港的港口我聽到的狀況是這樣所以從各網站無論從PTT或者Facebook或者Dcard或Trade上面都很多網友在討論因為很多在平台購物都是很多的年輕人 |
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都在提到就是說現在的櫃位吃緊港口擁塞還有包括通關的量能造成現在貨物塞的狀況其實非常的嚴重那當然通關慢你就會導致貨櫃就塞在那邊或甚至是港口會擁塞的狀況 |
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這是一個循環部長你了解我這是一個循環連帶的影響無論是查查我們國人食品的安全也好或者是貨要進得來也好我覺得這個都是我們政府要處理的問題你要用什麼樣的方法處理你要用更先進的科技AI的處理方式或什麼樣的處理我覺得這都是我們應該解決的問題 |
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我覺得包括我們量能邊境茶葉的量能夠不夠我們人力夠不夠我們的科技管理要不要更精進的去做處理 |
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這個是我部長我今天要質詢的重點因為這都是我們政府要處理的問題這剛好都會是在你財政部底下要處理的問題部長 那所以我們要怎麼處理因為前一陣子我看到你說我看到有一份資料告訴我說我們財政部現在增加快遞查驗人力的員額我們要改成全數X光檢查 |
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但是全數X光檢查本來就是在我們過去標準的SOP所有貨進來都會經過X光檢查所以這個不是在解決問題部長 |
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我是在提說我們到底有沒有更精進的處理方法無論是增加人力是一種方法增加人力本來一個鐘頭可以看幾包貨我們現在增加人力可能大家可以稍微休息看的貨的速度可以更快或者用更先進的科技管理所以這個問題到底如何解決 |
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謝謝委員對我們官務業務的一個重視我想邊境的管制是非常重要的那非洲豬瘟不講這個我都清楚我沒有否定我也支持但是貨怎麼樣進得來不要造成消費者跟 |
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業者之間的消費糾紛第一個我們要加強茶器第一個X光的一個檢查本來就百分之百但是我們必須要讓官員有一個時間可以不是說經過就算了一定要讓同仁要加強第二個我們也要加強開箱的一個茶宴也就是人工茶宴的一個比例 |
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因為大家知道非洲豬瘟的發生你做這些我都支持但是後續在貨物進來的部分怎麼去做解決因為這都是政府要處理的問題我想海關同仁已經盡了全力來做這個查緝我覺得這個部分我們必須要給予海關同仁的支持 |
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那也謝謝委員的支持另外像我們115年編列的有關手持X光機的太舊喚醒因為也都沒有辦法執行這些我都知道但是還是沒有解決貨物怎麼樣更流暢更流通我們台灣海關的通關的一個效率是跟國際比起來絕對是比其他國家都來得快 |
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我們的同仁已經盡全力來在做這個查驗的工作包括在人力的增加 包括在科技的調整讓我們貨可以看得更快 更精準這麼多年來其實海關在人力的一個資源上其實行政院也都盡力的在支持那在經濟上也還需要立法院的支持 |
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部長你還是沒有回答到我的問題我花了十分鐘問這些你還是沒有回答到我剛才講的這些對於食品安全檢查我都全力的支持我也認為該做這是一個常態性長期應該做不是發生事情才做我提醒你所以我支持第二塊 |
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在催上面 在臉書上面在所有網站年輕人在討論的怎麼樣讓通關可以更順暢因為現在都是在塞車所以剛才我才有連帶貨櫃吃緊然後塞在物流 港口也擁捨這個部分我們沒有更進一步精進的檢查方式是我今天檢討的重點但是我非常遺憾你還是沒有回答到我的問題 |
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委員的部分已經說明了沒有回答你沒有回答我沒有我覺得非常遺憾是你還是沒有回答到我的食品的安全加強我全力的支持但是我非常遺憾的現在我剛才貨要出得去也要能夠進得來貨物的流通國家財政狀況也可以更好但是我非常遺憾你沒有回答到我們沒有更精進的做法你現在沒有回答到我的問題這就是我覺得我們現在在通關的部分我覺得沒有辦法解決的地方 |
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我還是希望期待到看到你有更精進的做法 以上好 謝謝李燕修委員質詢接下來請鍾嘉斌委員 |
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主席再討論員先進列席的政府機關所長官員會長公共夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請莊部長請莊部長 |
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我也好部長好今天的第一前半段要稱許一下財政部的積極作為我們來看一下但是還是要先考驗一下我看到您在媒體上才那麼表達預估全年的稅收可能短增我們過去連續三年好像都有稅收都超過預期對不對但你們估計今年會少300億 |
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我们估计中央的部分是差不多400亿到500亿多少那么多地方的全国是300到500那是因为房市低迷车市关税土增税货物税那些都有影响 |
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但是你们是在今年就是说明年的预算你们是在今年的概算四五月就编了对不对所以你们要编制下半年的预算下个年度的预算对不对所以你在今年的上半年要评估明年的税收这样有精准吗 |
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沒有錯 這個當然我們在每年四五月就開始收集資料以及召開相關的專家小組的會議來做預估第二年的稅客收入的一個所以你們還是認為你們的對稅收的估算是有它的科學跟精準性的當然 我們這個部分也持續經濟各位報告 |
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我為了要問的是下一題因為你們說啤酒原料降稅有百利而無一害當然我們很希望是這樣子因為我們主張將進口的啤酒花免除進口關稅可以降低我們國產啤酒的生產成本有助於跟進口啤酒競爭對不對而且就你們報告而且你們估計稅損是大概不到7500萬但是由於 |
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我們的國產啤酒市場經驗提高我們的需求成長可以增加1億快7000萬的1億7000萬的這個收入所以綜合起來也快多了快1億是這樣嗎 |
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所以你們是基於這個理由我們的稅市支出評估以後大概的結果是這樣好 我支持也希望你們的預測是準的往下看可是我們過去在過去這一整年當中你看我們財委會做了幾次的事情就是關於在6月我們去考察海關防傾銷 防洗產地我們開了兩次記者會要求財政部趕快開支臨時的反傾銷稅還告訴你中國啤酒的市占率已經超過台灣的啤酒了是不是這樣子 |
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而且最重要的原因是怎樣很多民眾以為這些來自中國的啤酒是美國的品牌或日本的品牌甚至是冒充以為是台灣國產的有沒有這樣的情況因為它在標籤上做了一些混帽那我們看到了結果財政部在首次對於中國的啤酒和鋼品我們對它進行反傾銷而且還動用了回溯條款史無前例 過去財政部沒有這樣做 |
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好 所以這個破例我們支持大家往下看所以但是問題是怎樣不是只有台灣中國的低價傾銷全世界其實在中國的內需疲軟之下它的高價的茅台賣不動民生的啤酒也賣不多但是中國的啤酒產能又過剩不只這啤酒這些東西傾銷全國什麼鋼鐵 水泥 光電板 服飾 化工製品包括啤酒在內這是不是受到台灣目前的國內市場受到 |
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全世界都受到中國低價傾銷的影響 |
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確實有79件在今年的上半年中國的低價傾銷讓全世界有79件的一個反傾銷的調查那我們看一下往下看所以我們來看一下在我們國內有反傾銷稅跟平衡稅對不對那這兩個辦法是不是都要受損的業者來提出像鋼品的部分是中鋼提出然後產業代表性的業者才能提出平衡稅原則上是這樣對 沒錯那你覺得這樣會不會 |
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不夠快能夠有效的監控或及時的展開調查嗎我們關務組在受理後都會用一定的時間裡面因為在這個相關的辦法裡面都有實現我們跟經濟部會一起來做相關的調查的我之所以今天要問這個問題不是重提往事而是我過去這將近一年來我們為了這兩件事情鋼品跟啤酒 |
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一直在敦促要求財政部要積極但是財政部有既定的程序要跑因為你們法規就這樣規定所以要業者提出業者還有具有代表性的提出後你們還要進行調查然後業者送資料基本上財政部的態度就是業者你送資料來我會 |
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公平公允的來處理是不是這樣是的但是我們來看一下美國怎麼做美國他可以直接由主管機關展開反傾銷稅的調查這在美國平衡稅及反傾銷稅相關規章的第一篇之第二章他就寫了說主管機關可以依據手上的資料來認為正式調查方主與確認應主動展開反傾銷稅的調查請問財政部中華民國財政部會認同或認可美國的這樣做法嗎 |
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那你認為呢在台灣我們這樣來做適不適當 |
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當然在我們中華民國的法規制度之下我們也是可以根據職權來做的你們也是有法規不動的情況你們還是可以根據職權主動調查還是要我們立法院修法你才能主動調查不需要修法所以說未來如果再有類似的情況發生我們要求財政部主動進行平衡稅或反傾銷稅的調查財政部可不可以拿出破例主動來進行 可以嗎 |
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我想這個可能不是只是有財政部可能也要跟貨品主管機關當然 包括像經濟部等等對 因為這樣子其實這次經濟部跟你們配合就算不錯對 好 我們再往下看但是現在有一個漏洞有國民黨的立委提出一個離島自由貿易示範區陳玉珍委員提出了離島建設條例增訂第18條之一 |
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他說怎樣他說離島的縣政府可以在指定的區域設立一個自由貿易區示範區而且他管理辦法離島的縣政府就自治條例定制財政部有沒有看到這個條例這樣的話你們的財政部對於國家海關統進統出中華民國財政部來管理的情況就被地方政府自治條例給突破了你們有什麼看法 |
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署長來跟您作響 謝謝署長來 署長趕快說報告委員 這有交通部主管的一個法規這是交通部主導的一個法規那我們有參與相關的會議我當然不是問你交通部我是問你說你財政部看到這樣的條例你心裡怎麼想你的反請銷稅 平衡稅你們有職權現在呢 離島建設政府可以自己提那自己提之後呢你財政部 他說自由貿易啊財政部可以接受嗎 |
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當然這個自貿港區到底要不要准它設置這我財政部也沒有權可以置會沒有權可以置會會不會影響到你的財政的權利影響到你官務的自主權利會不會影響到來自中國的產品吸產機的情況會不會有只要它設立了這個自貿港區的話我們都要配合執行 |
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所以說立法院通過這個條文對財政部影響很大對國內業者未來面臨到來自中國的傾銷能不能提出反傾銷反洗產地你看過去發生了一個全真瑜伽 |
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民團 民間團體抗議中資惡意掏空我們看到台積電也是因為有一個低調科技廠被中國收購這些都有國安跟治安的問題我們往下看來 部長請問這兩個你知道哪一個是台灣的職棒隊的LOGO嗎哪一個是這是什麼這是兄弟像對不對中信兄弟啊中信兄弟像對不對對啊前不久鬧雙胞嘛有個上海兄弟 |
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單單為了這個 台灣的窮迷快氣炸了職棒是台灣非常重要 國人非常重要的一個競爭象徵結果呢 你看中國啤酒 它用台灣的在地文化來混沖中國啤酒它跟日本 美國的知名品牌合作然後呢 另外創了一個品牌讓台灣的消費者以為這是該日本跟美國的品牌有沒有這樣的情況 |
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所以說如果未來金門的酒廠他叫台灣金酒他跟中國中資合作然後以後從跟中資合作的公司出的酒也叫做金酒來自於中國的酒來到金門之後掛成另外一個像兄弟的這樣logo他就說這是金門酒廠出品的財政部你要怎麼因應有沒有想過這個問題 |
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我想这个部分就如同刚刚那个啤酒一样其实是我们应该要特别注意你管得到金酒公司吗金酒公司你可以管得到吗金酒公司它如果是属于酒类的主管机关那当然金酒主管机关是在财政部那它事业的主管机关是在金门中资要跟金酒公司合资成另外一个公司就像上海兄弟一样你管得到吗那个是公司法里面对你管不到嘛那它这个合资公司 |
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金酒公司跟中國資本合作的公司掛金酒出來的產品妳管得到嗎妳可以說它是洗產地嗎妳說它是中國生產的酒要跟它課稅嗎 |
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這個部分可能要特別注意一下我要請你特別的想一想這個非常的嚴重這個狀況已經潛在了所以我們看到的中國啤酒大量的用其他混貿美日的知名品牌或者混衝台灣的產地讓台灣消費者誤導未來就算自貿區那個條例沒有通過有可能金酒公司跟中國合資後成立一個品牌掛著金門酒廠的名字從中國產品直接拿到台灣來 |
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你有辦法對他進行反請要的調查嗎是啊 就像我們現在對付中國啤酒那兩支品牌一樣啊有沒有辦法部長你可能一時想不起來我告訴你來 時間的關係問一下過去考一下一般我們去銀行提款辦業務是不是叫你要口罩跟安全帽拿下來 |
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進銀行之前是不是口罩安全帽拿下來我們那個櫃員會盡量你知道我在問什麼如果到銀行我們安全帽跟口罩要拿下來怕你搶銀行嘛那我們為了怕有人去ATM搞詐欺詐騙要求他把安全帽跟口罩拿下來可不可以 |
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ATM的部分ATM我们其实有注意到这个那你们做了没有这个部分我们在会议上有讨论到这个部分那做出了决定没必须要在ATM里面上面要加强一个相关的一个知识那你们有没有办法做到什么时候可以做到另外有一个就是说就我所知就是说它可以延缓就是说但是它不会不让你领钱你戴着帽子口罩但是它会出现一个警示 |
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會出現一些警示我希望你們如果進銀行要除掉安全帽跟口罩希望ATM如果你戴著安全帽和口罩要有效的讓他處以辨識他的容貌才可以進行後續的動作可以演繹嗎 |
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這個部分我想金管會已經邀集相關機關在討論我們會配合這個政策的一個方向因為你們工股航庫要率先做為什麼問你 我當然知道金管會業務你們工股航庫可不可以率先做是 我們會配合金管會的一個政策方向來 最後的結論因為主席站起來了請盤點我國比照美國各目的世界主管機關主動申請反傾銷稅的調查的可行性一個月提出書面報告 可以嗎 |
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我們可不可以兩個月每次都一個月我們同仁都要加班好 兩個月請會同今晚會競速限制佩戴安全帽跟口罩的人操作ATM 可以嗎好的 我們可以配合今晚會一起來最後我剛剛講到的金門酒廠有沒有可能出現由中國啤酒洗產地的方式將中國的烈酒 |
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這個量能過剩的烈酒請教到台灣來是不是先你們研議好的 對委員就提 謝謝委員好 謝謝鍾嘉賓委員好 接下來請李坤臣召委質詢謝謝主席我們請莊部長好 請莊部長 |
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委員好來 部長好那今天我看委員有提案那我看你們的說明應該也是同意就是要調降麥芽還有啤酒花進口關稅應該是到0嘛你以為提案是到0嘛 對不對是的是的所以你們原則上是同意嘛 |
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是這樣的一個方向因為關稅雖然減少了但是你的這個營酒稅 營業稅 營所稅都增加算了一下反而多了這個預估多了9500多萬是不是因為我們希望這樣子可以降低成本讓我們的國產的啤酒可以提高競爭力而且能夠擴大市場好 那如果有降低成本的話那啤酒可以再便宜一點嗎 |
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部分可能就要看它在裡面占的成本裡面有算過嗎 大概是這個占它們裡面的成本是多少大概不到1%多而已它比例不是很高因為它還有其他的大概比例是多少因為如果關稅調降那消費者也覺得說那是不是啤酒有機會再調降售價 |
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這個部分可能因為佔的比例並不是很高對不對 佔多少 佔1% 佔成本的1%大概佔成本的1.73%好 那就是由各個業者他們去做處理我們也從今年的7月3號臨時課徵反請銷稅也生效了我看了一下數字中國啤酒市佔率較6月減少了3.2% |
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然後國產啤酒市占率有提高了增加4.38%所以客銷反起銷稅看起來對於提升國產啤酒市占率是有提升的 是有增加的然後我看了一下你們的數字以六月份做基準 |
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8月到11月的平均進口量從中國大陸進酒皮口這個進口量大概是424萬公升也減少了85.6%減少了85%左右6月份是2944萬然後到了8月到11月平均只有424萬所以可見我們這是有效的 對不對 |
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是的 謝謝委員的整理這樣非常清楚的順序所以這個對於國產啤酒來講是給予他們支持不然對於中國大陸這些低價的啤酒做請銷而且有很多都是包裝也不實我覺得這個是 |
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五年的一個反傾銷稅的一個實施期間那效果應該會再增加因為可能這段時間有一些季節性的因素但長期來看我認為還是會下降好 那再請教一下部長賴總統有說過他拜託工商業要幫員工加薪因為他說加薪會促進消費是一個良性的循環台灣經濟會更好 |
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那我請教一下因為現在也12月了那我不曉得說我們的國營跟我們的公股銀行明年有加薪的機會嗎這個部分當然會有比如犯公股的他們會去做評估然後公股事業的部分他們也會評估那也跟委員報告我們的國營的銀行 |
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他的加薪已经跟我们公务员的加薪去脱钩了过往是我们公务员有调多少他们才跟着调那现在事实上是脱钩而是按他们的实际的业务的绩效那才可以鼓励同仁们在脱钩了就是说一般来讲公务员有加薪的话我们的国营银行一定会加薪对不对因为加薪如果说明年没有这个公务员没有调薪水的话那我们这个国营银行的这一个薪水会不会跟着调 |
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所以他们已经脱钩了也就是说公务员没有调所以我就问说到底明年的国营银行跟饭公股银行会不会调薪这个可能我们目前来说看各银行他们自己饭公股他们会有他们的一套机制比如说台银主营他们也会把他们的调薪输入银行这三家银行自己内部会去先做评估然后会报财政部这样子那有没有机会调薪 |
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因為12月了如果要不要調薪也是這一個月的事情有沒有報上來目前對於明年的調薪還沒有我說那個三家國營銀行對 我說目前還沒有也還沒有報上來沒有報上來大概是沒有機會了所以也沒有報了等整年執行完成已經12月中了 |
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要整年執行完成到明年會他們會把整個績效的情況報財政部以後那部長覺得應不應該再挑釁因為總統有說這個企業幫員工挑釁是一個良性的循環可以促進經濟消費那部長的態度呢 |
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對於我們當然鼓勵我們的企業能對員工加薪讓大家能夠分享經濟成長的一個果實因此在中小企業發展條例裡面我是說除了企業我今天問的是我們的公股銀行那當然我們是支持財政部理事長是支持公股銀行今年的績效好不好 |
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今年的績效應該不錯應該不錯所以應該是有機會調薪大部分的銀行都比去年有所成長所以如果按照這樣講有績效的話員工應該是要調薪才對我們當然有一套機制根據機制來走最晚哪時候要報上來通常都是幾月 |
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范工股他的調薪有他公司的機制就不需要報到財政部只有國營的 就台土輸嘛台營土營跟輸營的話會報大概應該都會到一年的中間才會報因為他們要把績效整個做匯價來報明年哪個時候明年大概都幾月我們大概都是幾月 |
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明年2月就過年了對 跟委員報告純國營是由人事處來主辦不是國庫署我是說明年2月就過年了所以現在要不要調薪甚至有沒有年終獎金都還不知道不過他們明年2月大概應該不至於不會在2月之前報好 那年終獎金現在我們的這個三家國營都還是最高績效還是4.4個月就對了 |
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4.4那其他公股銀行我看這個去年的今年的年終獎金有最高兆豐應該是最高有到達8個月然後最低也有4.6個月都比這一個三家國營的4.4個月還高對不對是對啊 那我們講就是說這個國營其實你要給它鼓勵 |
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那重賞之下也有勇夫國營的績效如果也不錯的話其實他的績效獎金就是說年終獎金就不能永遠只停留在4.4個月我們也曾經報院建議能夠調高至少調高4.6個月以上至少你跟其他公股銀行要一樣 |
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那因為涉及到整個國營事業不是只有我們的金融業還有其他的國營事業那其他國營事業歸其他國營事業因為現在財政部你能管就是三家國營我知道謝謝委員能夠幫我們的國營銀行能夠爭取這樣的那因為涉及到人總那邊整體的一個考量 |
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所以那你支不支持我們當然支持我們財政部也報函到行政院去有報到行政院去了那目前人總還跟相關的其他的部會機關還在做研討當中我看一下我們三家國營是真的滿可憐的它也沒有伙食費 |
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然後年終獎金最高就4.4個月然後也沒有員工的酬勞然後員工福利信託也沒有那你跟其他的這一個我們不要跟民營比 就是飯工股銀行比那一樣 國營也不好考那考進來之後發現說其他的飯工股銀行的福利待遇 |
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比國營還要好以前考進去台銀是很不容易的對啊 考進去台銀也是一種榮譽現在我們又希望說台銀能夠做龍頭可是他的這一個不管他的績效 他的年終或是他的一些待遇等等都比其他泛公共銀行低我覺得這樣對他們來講也不公平 |
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我想謝謝委員對我們公股對於我們國營銀行的待遇的一個對那這個部分其實我們也財政部也都包含到就去做建議那4.4個月其實要突破的話因為是之前是立法院的做的決議所以我們也希望能夠有所突破那包上去以後目前人事總處那邊在做整體的一個建議 |
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我們希望能夠4.6個月4.6個月對 恢復到以前的4.6個月那伙食費 員工酬勞 福利信託這個有嗎我們都有這些案子都在我們承報的承報建議事項裡面那麻煩把那個承報資料也給我一份好不好好的 沒問題好 那最後一點時間問一下這個新青安市到明年的7月就入了日那我現在看媒體的報導說我們還有新青安2.0要接續的這一個新青安開始是不是 |
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還說我們的四大支柱裡面包含年限40年 寬限期5年額度1000萬都不會改變然後只有在貸款的年齡年收入是不是要排付貸款年齡 因為現在沒有限制你六七十歲一樣可以去申請新清安現在也沒有排付所以新清安2.0接續下去是不是如媒體所報的這三個條件都不變除了這個貸款年齡跟年收入會做考量 |
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有關新青安後面到7月屆滿以後後續的一些相關的一些措施要不要做調整那目前財政部會邀同相關的主管機關大家一起來討論那表示就是說新青安7月落日之後還是會有繼續有這個給年輕人的這個買房子的優惠的利率的貸款就對了 |
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这个部分都在讨论的范围内我们也会听取各界的意见那至于没有那部长的意思就是说我只问说会不会延续下去是不是还有类似这种新青岸2.0的计划那当然有一些里面的一些条件限制资格可能还要再做讨论是我想委员您提的这些都是我们未来纳入考量的时候都一并来研议的事情因为这个是你们次长讲的 |
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沒有 那是公股營高層認為公股營高層不是我們市長不是阮市長他有講嗎他就說這個新青安結束之後會有新青安2.0嗎 |
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不是 我覺得還是跟委員說明所以這個政策會延續下去就對了我們後續會彙整相關的意見以及各界的一些反應我們整體來考量我是說這個政策就是讓年輕人買房有優惠這個政策會再延續下去就對了但是裡面的一些資格條件什麼你會再做討論至於什麼優惠或什麼我們都會聽取大家的一些意見好 謝謝謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝李崑成委員 |
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好 我們請林思敏召委好 謝謝主席我們請莊部長我們請莊部長農業部的是農糧署副署長 陳副署長好 請陳副署長 |
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委員好是 部長我想我們今天討論海關進口稅責的這個案子我首先針對我國這個在2002年1月1號我們加入WTO成為第144個會員國距離現在已經23年了在啤酒的進口稅方面因為境外啤酒進口關稅後來就一直降 降到0 |
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所以我們境外品牌進入本土市場的成本可以說是大幅降低但是我們本土啤酒的製造所需的主要原料麥芽 還有啤酒花卻仍需負擔7.5%到15%的進口關稅 |
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當然按照WTO的架構各國都可以調降關稅但是卻不能任意提高各國承諾的一個稅率換句話說原料減稅是可行且合乎規定的政策工具之一讓我們的業者國內的業者更具有競爭力所以政府現在做的做法 |
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你成品9 就進口成品9 關稅是0但是我們進口原料這個稅是7.5%到15%這個根本看起來就是對於我們這些在國外製造在國外完成製造的這些業者給予最大的優惠 |
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對於本土業者而言造成嚴重的競爭上的不公平所以我們看起來現行的關稅制度根本不是保護本土業者反而是在懲罰我們本土業者所以我們目前這樣的稅制結構部長你認為合理嗎 |
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謝謝委員那因為委員也有我們召委也有提案所以在我們今天的報告裡面也做了一個詳細的分析包含我們的進口量進口值以及關稅的收入那當然如果這樣跟關稅的調降對我國產業可以產生怎麼樣的一個效益我們也做了分析那是因此在分析我們認為說這些我們麥芽跟那個啤酒花都是進口量我們都是用 |
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进口的量都97%到86%都是用在我们的啤酒酿造如果我们降低它的关税的话也就是免征这个关税降为0的话确实可以降低我们国产啤酒的生产成本然后提高它的竞争力还有市产的占有率那么有助于它和进口啤酒来做竞争这个是有关在产业面同时对于农业的部分因为它麦芽跟啤酒花跟农业 |
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會有關係我們也請了農業部的農糧署來表示意見他們認為大麥跟啤酒的話在國內並沒有經濟規模的一個栽培所以調降這樣的一個關稅的稅率他們是沒有意見我們這樣綜合了產業以及以關農業的部門的一個意見認為我們確實可以降低調降這樣的一個關稅讓我們的國產啤酒更具有競爭力同時在稅收的部分我們也做了評估 |
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雖然關稅減少但是其他的稅收可以淨增加那增加的結果事實上可以會有9000多萬的淨的稅收的收入我們因此這樣的評估以後也支持委員的提案以上財政部的方向是這樣部長我想你分析得已經很清楚但是接下來我想還是問一下農業部的意見副部長 |
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雖然剛才一直提到說我們對於這個大麥或者啤酒花的生產農業部你的報告指出說我們目前在國內並沒有大規模的一個栽植或者商業化的一個種植產業大部分就是大概這些啤酒花或者麥芽近九成 剛才不少講九成以上都是要去進口所以我們是完全高度依賴進口的一個狀況 |
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所以在這種情況之下我們降低我們的原料的關稅除了降低用降低的方式我們今天修法說要降低以外農業部 農糧署你有沒有考慮剛才賴會員委員有問到對於我們相關的這些產業就在台灣來栽種這些原料這些產業的一個扶植農業部有沒有做什麼規劃委員 召委好 |
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剛剛講到關於大麥跟啤酒花這兩個作物它基本上是溫帶的作物那台灣是亞熱帶的氣候所以它國內沒有經濟規模的栽培那好像以大麥為例 |
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目前的農情調查資料在去年113年度全國的種植面積只有0.4公頃這個是因為它是溫帶的作物那也講到農業部的花蓮區農改廠在花蓮的那邊有試種啤酒花但是那個還在試種階段那我們也會來關心試種的結果再評估 |
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他是不是可以進一步來做輔導跟推廣那另外我們國內發展農村美酒不管是用台南的這些後壁剛剛講到的米或是像台中的霧峰的一泉香米或是其他的梅子或是包括草莓等我們都會發展台灣本土的農村美酒會做產業的輔導那這個農業部都有在進行是 |
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當然剛剛你提到說我們也去試圖發展其他的美酒這就是我們針對這一次講的就是針對啤酒這部分當然你剛才提到大部分都要進口然後台灣是溫帶氣候不適合去發展這些大麥或者這些啤酒花的產業的種植 |
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所以你既然這些原料都是要靠進口農業部有沒有思考如何幫助說我們相關的好像在花蓮花蓮有種植啤酒花所以你既然認為說沒有生產的一個效益你有沒有去要想到說如何的去調整它的一個產業的發展 |
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是 跟委員報告花蓮的部分它是在市種花蓮區農業改良廠在市種如果以國內譬如它市種的結果我們再評估在國內種少量的啤酒花它發展的是地方的特色不會是用價格來所以花蓮是氣候適宜花蓮你評估它跟委員報告 |
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他在花蓮的農友曾國啟那邊試種我有去看過其實還要評估因為台灣是亞熱帶氣候溫度比較高一點試種的結果是不是適合我們農業部跟花蓮區農業改良廠會適宜的做調整說送不起來還一直去叫他送這個也滿奇怪的所以這一次降低整個關稅農業部的立場也是同意我們是支持 |
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OK 好 謝謝我想再請財政部我想財政部剛才部長講了很多數據我們把啤酒主要原料麥芽跟啤酒花的進口關稅把它降成零之後每年稅收減少的金額 |
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大概我剛才看了一下報告就是不到 合計不到 稅損不到大概少了7435萬這個數字在我們國務庫的整體結構中並不會造成太大的一個衝擊但是我們從反面來看 |
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因為原料成本過高而導致本土釀酒業者的萎縮投資外移就業減少從而導致我們流失的恐怕不是只有關稅的收入而已而是我們的營所稅 所得稅 地方就業以及我們整個產業鏈的附加價值 |
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所以付稅署你是否應該評估說我們的點不是在少收多少而是說如果什麼都不做長期會不會我們收得更少所以部長你剛才提到因為如果我們這一次把稅降為零之後我們的稅收反而會增加更多 |
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謝謝委員也就是剛剛委員所提的如果我們把它降為0那關稅的稅收會減少4735萬但是如同剛剛委員所說的當我們把我們的啤酒市場的競爭力提高以後就就業人口來說也是有所幫助的另外我們也可以提高我們國產 |
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啤酒的銷售量所以在菸酒稅 營業稅跟盈利事業所得稅其實是會增加的會增加而且會增加到1億6974萬那如果這樣的 |
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增加跟減少相互來抵充了以後其實是淨增加9500萬的所以稅收是淨增加的所以部長妳認為這一次的修法方向完全是正確的所以基本上財政部支持這樣做完全支持是 支持的農業部要經濟部經濟部呢經濟部也支持吧經濟部那翁市長我們也支持吧都支持啦也是支持啦 |
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經濟部支持這個也不會影響我們未來就是我國未來加入這個CPTPP或者我們其他自由貿易協定我們加入這些組織也不會受到任何影響會不會受到影響 經濟部會不會這個部分我們都有綜合跑量過都不會啦以上 好 謝謝謝謝委員 謝謝我們謝謝林思敏 周偉接下來我們請顏寬恆委員 |
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8896.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
8906.386 |
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主席各位列席官員大家早主席有請我們財政部莊部長莊部長委員好部長早部長行政院卓院長他宣布不附屬財化法 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
8922.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
8933.397 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
真的是創了憲政的惡例立法院三讀通過裁判法修正行政院提附議遭到否決依照中華民國憲法第72條規定總統應於收到後10日內公佈 |
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8938.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
8953.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
再來依照憲法徵修條文第三條附議時如今全體立法委員二分之一以上決議為此原案行政院長應即接受該決議所以不附屬就是告訴國人執政黨就是獨裁 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
8955.322 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
8975.241 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
我想通過了法律他想通過了他不想通過的法律就不附屬所以這就不認輸了我希望部長你能好好的勸一下我們的卓院長法律人要依法行政尤其是行政院長一定要依法行政回到今天的主題 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
8976.802 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
8990.127 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
我想今天審查關於啤酒業者所需要的進口麥芽及啤酒花關稅調整為免稅的部分這部分應該是我們財政部是認同的 支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
8991.426 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
9017.678 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
跟委員報告我們經過各項分析以後不管從進口量還有有關對產業的一個注意以及對於我們國農業的影響等等我們評估以後基本上是支持的我剛剛有聽到其他委員的這個質詢所以大概都知道我想近年來我們都可以看到大陸政府大力的補助他們中國製的啤酒導致台灣製的啤酒市佔率不斷的下降 |
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9018.678 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
9034.634 |
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那大陸的啤酒可以為什麼大陸啤酒有佔有優勢因為他們有政府補貼嘛政府補貼還有成本優勢還有品牌的一個包裝策略讓市佔率上升到36%我國的本土啤酒業者 |
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9036.176 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
9055.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
這個造成很大的衝擊其實我們現在大陸製的啤酒很多的品牌現在在台灣到處可見不管是熱炒店便利商店 大排檔這些各大餐廳都有供應這些進口啤酒已經嚴重的影響到我們的一個啤酒市場 |
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9056.553 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
9084.54 |
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今年第一季進口啤酒就佔了71%或者以上更多都有可能相較之下我國的啤酒市佔率從2018年的59%持續的下滑2023年跌破五成2024年持續下降到47%所以我想請部長你可以預估一下今年整年的啤酒業績它有沒有預估值 |
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9085.796 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
9105.543 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
可不可以說明一下啤酒的業績這個部分那應該不在財政部對啦 因為今天是台酒嘛台酒沒有來你說台酒公司是不是台酒公司沒有來董事長沒有來因為沒有辦法來我們請他們在座提供給委員這樣子對於今年整個啤酒的銷售量的部分好 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
9107.504 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
9118.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
當然我們還是要宣導就是喝酒不開車那當然喝酒一定要理性是…這個很重要是但是我也知道說你們在7月3號的時候對中國大陸製的啤酒課徵反傾銷稅 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].start |
9123.379 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
9152.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
客增反傾銷稅反傾銷稅沒有錯但是不是客稅就沒事不是客稅就沒事主要就是說如何提高它我國本土產業的啤酒市佔率如何提高它的競爭力這個才是重要要從遠處來看是的委員說得很適對因為如果假設這樣子的年年衰退然後我們賣不出去的啤酒都堆在這個倉庫裡面到時候也變成更大的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
9153.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
9173.414 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
這個是不行的當然行銷也要加強是部長你再跟這個台酒的董事長溝通一下交流一下你們要理解去理解說我國的這個國產的啤酒遇到的這些困境如何解困如何把這些解決當然就是調降關稅然後我們尤其是原料的部分你們今天這兩項我們一個是麥芽跟一個是啤酒花分別占了90 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
9185.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
9210.069 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
90幾% 93跟86是不是7跟86都進口都是做這個都是主要啤酒釀造嘛對不對 那最大宗就是台酒嘛對 我們啤酒是我們也是台酒的非常好的一個優質產品對 所以我想就是說這個部分要加強本土品牌的推廣然後更多的一個產業創新的資源就是要請財政部支持 |
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9211.623 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
9237 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
謝謝 謝謝委員我們也會督請這個台酒公司依照委員的意思要努力對 我本來今天想要問這個菸酒公司說它對於後續的啤酒行銷推廣有什麼創新跟主打的方向可是今天沒來所以就沒辦法問了我們會請我們董事長到委員辦公室跟委員請議好 謝謝那這個主要就是說部長 那我再請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
9239.095 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
9261.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
11月初初步的統計光是10月份 單月份我們的實增就4174億創下從86年以來這個單月新高28年來的單月新高主要是受惠於上市櫃股票這個部分日均成交值躍升至6267億那請教部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].start |
9267.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
9272.719 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
這個你之前有說明有說過明年確定不會超增那你可不可以說明一下現在稅收的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
9274.444 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
9296.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
今年的税收的情况全国的税收达到3兆5813亿达成全年度的预算数是94.2%到11月底的实收数那么中央的部分的税收到11月底实征数是2兆6350亿达成全年预算数的94.6% |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
9299.554 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
9326.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
大概是到11月底的一个数字是这样那因为114年的我们的税客收入的预算数呢比去年的实征数我们有提高了947亿所以到12月底全年的实收就中央的部分是增加947亿到全年为止我们的税收全年的税收数跟预算数之间大概差距不会超过百分之 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
9327.198 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
9336.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].text |
這個部分算差距來說另一年來說是相當的一個接近我們的預算數的對 所以說確定今年不會超增對不對應該是不會超過我們的預算數 對 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
9340.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
9358.297 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
其實很多學者批評說政府未能夠精確掌握稅收的走勢但是大幅編列這些特別預算把特別預算常態化這是造成說我們的財政機率衰敗的一個最主要的原因 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
9359.477 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
9373.643 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
那我想所以要請教部長你們未來對於說預算的一個編列特別預算的一個編列這部分你會不會跟我們行政院左院長跟他討論如何來勸他不要再這樣子把這個特別預算常態化 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
9381.701 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
9401.586 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
跟委員報告特別預算跟總預算在預算法裡面它都是合法的那總預算是一般的一個施政每年度的施政的一個支出那特別預算呢是它是分年分年編列而且它是有重大的施政項目的時候可以做編列的那在於也沒有所謂的特別預算的常態化各位跟委員報告譬如說像為了加強國防還有譬如說為了防疫 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
9409.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
9422.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
譬如說丹納斯颱風以及因應國際情勢的強化韌性這都是因應國家施政重大政事需要或者是防災需要的都是依照法律來編列而且有關債務的控管我們的債務的健全事實上是國際許認可的 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].start |
9428.314 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
9431.996 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].text |
我們整個來說債務控管實際數到目前為止只有34.3%這在國際間是非常低的所以我們會做好我們的債務控管我們會非常重視我們的財政紀律這個部分我想跟委員做這樣的說明也沒有所謂的財政敗壞絕對沒有財政敗壞你要多多的勸一下我們的左院長一定要依法行政 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].start |
9450.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
9466.653 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
門都是依法行政沒有公務員可以不依法行政國庫署當然是依法行政啊不附署是依法行政不附署是不附署憲法裡面的規定是這樣子好 謝謝好 謝謝袁匡衡委員好 接下來請羅明財委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
9487.099 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
9512.008 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
主席各位 處理的習慣 大家好主席可不可以請莊部長好 請莊部長莊部長妳好是 委員好拆劃法已經一次又一次的確認又通過又修正那現在已經快年底了那究竟拆劃法要怎麼樣定調 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
9513.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
9542.138 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
直不直行因為影響到地方他們預算的編列現在有幾個版本可以說是跟孫悟空一樣七十二變變來變去可是最後還是逃不過你的手掌心因為錢是你在控制的那部長現在究竟大家不曉得怎麼無所適從 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
9543.427 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
9545.118 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
究竟現在如果要變要怎麼變 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
9547.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
9551.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
跟委員沒有所謂的首長型第一個財政部一定是依法行政那麼對於財化法的部分我們一直強調的財化法涉及到各級政府之間財政資源的配合應該要妥善的規劃所以行政院也提出了財化法的修法版本那麼也期待立法院能夠審議大家一起來討論那至於115年我們在編列相關的預算裡面我們是按照去年 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
9575.658 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
9581.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
去年立法院12月20號通過的財化法我們已經按照這個來執行那中央統籌分配稅款已經高達8874億8874億這個部分我們都是按照去年通過的財化法已經編列了同時也通知了地方政府所以沒有所謂的 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
9599.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
9622.357 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
變來變去不確定的情況所以是照著立法院通過的版本在進行編列按照去年12月20號立法院三讀通過今年總統在3月的時候公布的財化法我們已經編列了115年度的中央統籌分配稅款而且通知了在今年的8月底通知了各地方政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
9625.159 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
9634.925 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
請問部長新北市的部分從三年前跟去年通過以後對新北市來說我們的爭取增加了多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
9637.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
9647.502 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
以中央統籌分配稅款來說新北市114年所獲配的中央統籌分配稅款是550億但是到115年獲配的金額是可以達到969億 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
9657.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
9682.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
謝謝 所以是有增加增加418億418億 謝謝對 就中央統籌分配稅款來說新北市就增加了418億謝謝所以征服達到76%其實部長 我都沒有什麼太大的意見你只要新北市增加那我回去就對所有的選給我的人我有一個交代 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
9683.476 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
9705.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
而且可以大幅改善過去一直講說新北市次人公民那大大的提升當然我們這個希望對地方的資源是越多越好就好像賴總統以前在地方的時候蘇貞昌以前在地方的時候當然都是為地方積極來爭取 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
9706.681 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
9731.074 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
那我們希望說部長剛剛所說的這個既然都已經確定了就趕快不要再變動了我們就趕快來執行 趕快來推動讓民眾他的心是安定的讓民眾可以感受到中央對地方的照顧就好比這一次我們在立法院推了很久的普發現金一萬塊 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
9733.593 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
9752.362 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
記得就一萬塊的事情在這裡大家有很多很多的討論但是現在開始普發現金了以後部長你有接受很多的民調吧直至目前為止我遇到一百個人一百個人都是說讚 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
9754.141 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
9767.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
那請教部長這樣一個普發現金的一個做法你們的民調結果怎麼樣還有現在目前來領一萬塊普發現金的比率是多少有沒有人不領 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
9768.384 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
9777.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
現在跟委員報告目前已經有87.82%的民眾已經完成領取了大概總數有2069萬人的我們的民眾已經領取了這1萬塊因為我們這一次在規劃上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].start |
9786.864 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].end |
9803.545 |
| transcript.whisperx[368].text |
讓有幾種方式四種方式讓民眾都方便領取所以在裡面直接入帳的就有458萬佔22%就直接就進入我們的民眾的帳戶另外可以在網站上面不管你透過手機或電腦就輸入你的帳號 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].start |
9804.486 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
9808.427 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
而且登記錄帳的大概有863萬的民眾已經領取佔了41.69%因為在網路設計上算是方便力的在ATM領取的部分有510萬的民眾是佔了24.64%以及到郵局領取的有233萬的民眾也佔了11.29%所以總共已經超過2000萬的民眾領取目前我們在初步估計還有 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].start |
9833.473 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].end |
9848.767 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
287萬的民眾還沒有領取不過我們也希望他領取不過那個時間可以到明年的4月底那希望大家透過各種方式來領取那我們也讓領取的方式可以更為便利的這樣子是 謝謝我們所以財政部的同仁辛苦了 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].start |
9849.628 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
9877.009 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
為了這個普發現金可以說是大費周章不過我們從剛剛的這個數字比例來看發現國人的消費的情況也改變了網路代替馬路所以速度變得非常快還有一個ATM佔了百分之二十幾我覺得這個也是多多來估所以很顯然就是說直接去郵局領現金的比率剩下十幾個百分比 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].start |
9879.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
9902.268 |
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表示说民众有这个需求我们还是要提供服务所以在这里要感谢财政部所有相关同仁的努力的付出真的要完成这个不可能的任务而且要安全要平顺有没有因为这次的不发现金造成诈骗的事件出现的 |
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詐騙的部分其實我們的財經公司事實上普發現金除了財政部是主辦單位還有像是速發部以及金管會很多部位一起合作的才能夠讓它順利那至於在詐騙的部分其實我們財經公司24小時都在網路裡面去搜尋因為他們會透過很接近的那個字比如說G0V這樣子那我們其實已經 |
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已經有下架打詐的廣告有89則然後詐欺的網站有16組已經把它解析掉了這個部分我們持續的在做而且我們也會告訴所有的詐團們告訴他們不要投機我們是24小時在搜尋有任何狀況一定把它停掉讓民眾不要上當 |
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所以这个这一次是感觉还不错了就是有成功的主炸就是24小时的这个精神我们在24小时都在做政策我觉得做得好还是要就是大家要讨论一下我们的鼓励跟肯定来鼓励一下那我也希望说经由这次的经验大家比较成熟了 |
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本席還是主張反正你稅收超徵就是撲發現金給民眾養成一種習慣才不會造成浪費因為過去十年就是稅收都超徵一直超徵十年超徵七八千億結果沒有還給民眾就留在國庫國庫變成各單位 |
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成為各單位覬覦的對象每個人就開始喊說我衛福部缺啊特別是要最兇的就是國防部國防部這幾年要的錢可以說都是天文數字比如說今年好了今年大概變多少 |
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国防部的预算预算这个编列因为在足迹总处我手边没有大概我们大概可以看出来那个比例大概是18%最高的还是社福支出国防还不是最高的教育变少了不 教育也没有变教育是第二高第一高的是社福占27%点多然后第二高的是教育还有经济发展都占了比较高的比例我们都希望说 |
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錢要花在刀口上特別要是鼓勵下一代的年輕人把這些預算多多照顧在下一代年輕的希望你看看我們台灣好不容易有出一個捐贈方黃仁勳所以你想想看這種就是投資是值得的你投資百 上萬 上千萬只要中一個黃仁勳不是全部對國家來講全部都回本了嗎 |
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所以我們看到最近這個金管會它對於銀行的部分這銀行現在開放銀行可以去投資股票那收益最大的就是八大公股銀行預計我們在銀行裡面加起來的可以使用的金額有多少那財政部會選擇投資什麼項目 |
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选择银行要投资哪一个部分的一个有关证券这是由银行各银行在这个财务部门他来做评估的财政部不会帮银行去选择他去投资哪一个部位是好 那么希望说能多多鼓励这些银行在操作上要比较灵活一点要向富邦金控看齐 |
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因為他們的授權他們投資今年EPS大概有十幾塊看一下我們的公股銀行又跟去年一樣最多是一塊多EPS就是兩塊然後大家就覺得很開心自己跟自己的去年前年比有進步就很開心可是出了這個門跟全國的37家銀行比的時候 |
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我們又變成這個差距變成很大很大所以希望說我們在財政部的相關的同溫層裡面大家討論得很開心的時候也要看看外面的世界是的 我想謝謝委員的鼓勵除了自己公股之外我們也要跟其他的民營銀行一起去做比較我想這個是我們公股行庫會做這個努力的多加油是 謝謝委員 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝羅明財委員接下來請王世堅委員質詢謝謝主席 我請財政部莊部長好 請莊部長 |
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委員好部長那個你記不記得我在去年就提過去年我連提了三四次就是說我們國內我們的受險業他們總共到去到前年為止他們餘裕的資金35兆 |
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結果這些受險業者把70% 25兆拿到海外去買債券基金這有兩大風險一個戰爭 一個匯率結果這兩件事我們都碰到了戰爭碰到俄國戰爭所以他們遲緩給付匯率今年4月在跟美國對談關稅的時候那時候我們匯率被迫台幣大漲一陣子 |
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那這都對我們台灣是不利的因為畢竟我們是出口為導向的國家所以當時我去年就要求說我們應該把壽險業這些資金把它引進回我們台灣參與我們台灣我們的國家建設這對我們國家才是正面的而且 |
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行政院長上任第一次行政報告的時候他就說他就說要打造我們台灣成為亞 |
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州資產管理中心那如果我們要管理其他國家的資產那我們自己70%的錢去給別人管理這不是很怪嗎那當然 結果你們也確實部長你確實很積極去推動我希望你去推動這個建設公債 交通公債跟各部位商量去做這些那除了這些以外我這幾天剛好 |
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無巧不巧的有聽到幾位這大型的受刑業者他們共同的講法是這樣他說委員我們不是不回來我們現在要回來 |
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但是碰到財政部要求的是說都只能投入公共建設我是希望說這樣公共建設大家把定義講清楚不一定是政府全部都是政府出資的那個才叫公共建設比方說我們有BOT案 |
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我們有蔣餐條例我們有促餐法我們有大眾捷運法大眾捷運法這個捷運的聯合開發這些都是正面的嘛這些都廣義的是公共工程公共建設對我們政府是正面的還有我們長照啊還有我們青年住宅社會住宅這些那也不只不僅止於VOT |
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BOO啦 ROT啦 OT啦太多這樣子的案子都是會幫助我們整個國家社會建設長足進步所以部長我今天跟你提的意思就是說是不是 |
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你們要明列正式的明列出正面舉例有哪一些是要讓受險業資金回來哪一些是我們國家政府核准的而且你們要積極主動的跟他們聯繫 |
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因為他們現在準備好了這一次四月五月踢到鐵板這個匯率的事情然後現在這些業者我們往好處看他們也正是要感受到政府號召他們的誠意 |
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以及他們對於建設我們自己國內他們應該投入這些來自我們保險戶的資金那這是正確的事情好不好 你能不能做到 |
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謝謝委員確實是我們希望我們的受寫業資金能夠回我們國內來投資所謂的公共建設那這個公共建設除了促參法還有獎參條例還有其他譬如說大捷法或者是商港法都算是民間投資這個部分我們都把廣義的時候算進來那如果說我們促參法裡面有所謂公共建設的項目 |
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細則裡面有所謂的細目如果說需要再擴充的話我覺得我們也很歡迎受寫業提出來我們可以在細則裡面把它做更詳細的一個規定另外也跟委員報告除了公共建設之外公共建設方式上有您剛剛所說BOT ROT BO等等都算在我們的促參裡面還有一個它如果不是在所謂的公共建設範圍裡面但是它回來投資是對國內的基礎建設有幫助的 |
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不見得是政府的而是私人他們要做的譬如說物流中心的話是不是也可以適用相關的我們造源投資方案裡面可這樣做而且金管會會在有關投資相關的一些規定上會給予比較放鬆比較鬆的一個規定那這個部分在我們造源投資方案裡面開會以後都有放寬 |
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第一個他回來除了公建之外基礎建設的部分不屬於公部門的部分也一樣可以來投資那投資的時候對於有關金融法規對於受險業資金投資的一些相關的一些所謂的一個他要提撥的一些比例準備金的比例那儘管會也都有做彈性的一些調整目的就希望這些資金回台灣來投資我想這個委員這樣的一個建議是我們一直都在努力的方向如果 |
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還有不足的部分我們也歡迎受選業可以在我們的推動小組裡面有一個行政院的推動小組財政部我們還有另外一個出餐的另外一個推動小組都可以提出建議我們都可以把它放進來在法規的鬆綁還有案源的擴充方面都可以做調整我想這個是一個很好的方向 |
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好 那我這是難得我們這一年多來你的答詢裡面答得我覺得比較完整正確的你講這些都很正面我希望說更進一步因為金管會我知道他跟你們跟中央銀行 |
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你們這三者是共同來制定比方說他資金回來的期程總是不能一次回來一次回來這影響到匯率分拿幾次這樣子回來他隨便回來個一兩%一兩個%就兩三千億到五千億三五個%就一兆多了 |
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那我們是希望他能夠分梯次那這樣子三五千例三五千例這樣回來一年內回來個一兆多這對我們國內是很大的挹注那所以這個部分我為什麼特別跟你提我希望是由你們主動也跟這幾家 |
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因為比較大型的就這幾家金額最大的大概你們大概都知道哪幾家受險像中信富邦這一些那麼我們恨不得逮住他們讓他們趕快回來所以就正式的跟他們這個洽詢之後跟他們建立一個管道讓他們隨時可以溝通那這樣子就沒有再任何的理由他們不回來好不好 |
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中安民黨的部分當然我另外質詢會跟他們提他們要列一個期程怎麼樣不影響到對我們台幣這個匯率的影響把它降到最低我們會多聽取這樣的一個意見然後來把它放到兆元投資方案裡面來做落實好 另外一個問題是新青蘭這個不動產聯盟 |
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上上禮拜的事而已他12月8號發表就是說要批評政府說批評政府這個政策過蕩導致我這個政策殃及無辜害不動產停滯他12月8號提出批評12月10號我們財政部就回應了回應說我們會再推出新青安2.0 |
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那這時間上我知道可能是巧合時間上可能是巧合可是我們要推出新清安2.0變成財政部已經明說了就是會推新清安2.0但是我就請問第一點我們過去 |
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旧的清安的这一个部分对于这三无没有年龄限制没有首购限制没有收入限制这个部分我们的改革方法是什么有没有改革没有年收入的限制光是年收400万以上就3000多件就3000多件所以这些改革方法解决了吗解决这三无了吗 |
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報告新青安的實施期限到明年的7月30那目前來說沒有所謂的新青安2.0但是我們會聽取各界的意見在明年7月底之前後續要怎麼樣處理我們會提出方案那這個部分呢我們在聽取各界意見包含房地產市場的一個趨勢金融市場 |
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以及民眾的需求以及住宅政策等等都會納入我們考量的一個因素那委員這樣子剛剛對於三項的一些建議要不要納入考量也都是會放進裡面我們會來做評估的那個光是內政部他也持不同的意見內政部他表態他認為新清安會推升房價不宜擴大那這一個他的這個說法就跟我們財政部有所不同所以你認為呢 |
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他内政部要求的是说不要再配合新兴安加码补贴利息那你们有跟他沟通过吗对于内政部当然他先表达他的意见那我们也还会遵循其他部会的相关的意见以及整体会来做一个政策性的说明到时候我们会在七月底之前一定会再要什么样的推动会来做后续的说明对那个就在三天前 |
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报纸又说说这个我们财政部认了说是央行打太凶所以税收短缺那这是事实吗不是事实我也从来没有这样表示过我也看到这个标题但是我也仔细看了内部的内容毫无提到说我有说了什么只是标题这样下标题他就这么写 |
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他就標題這麼寫然後他後面又寫了一個問號我也不知道這個是怎麼加上去的所以沈部長不管他後面是驚嘆號是問號是又驚嘆又問號結論就是說只要有跟我們不理的政策跟你所講過的話有違背甚至完全你沒說的那這會打到其他部會的你一定要跟媒體要求更正好不好 |
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好的謝謝這個部分我們來加強的是謝謝好謝謝謝謝王世堅委員部長請回接下來我們請黃國昌委員黃國昌委員謝謝主席有請財政部部長請莊部長委員好 |
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部長好我從來沒有想過台灣走入了民主憲政的災難竟然是因為財政收支劃分法沒有一個民主憲政國家的行政首長可以恣意的說他不執行國會三讀通過的法律 |
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這是帝制不是民主但是您是財政部部長我今天沒有要跟你討論憲法學的問題我們好好來看一看今天問題的焦點也就是財政收支劃分法民進黨在野的時候2012年黨主席蘇貞昌率領了所有的縣市首長要求修財政收支劃分法 |
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他說 看到小孩熬熬代普米缸卻空空如也的感受他非常的深刻這是當初2012年民進黨黨主席蘇貞昌說的2015年蔡英文準備競選總統的時候說要修財政收支化分法結果等到了當選整整花了8年 |
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完全執政財政收治化分法怎麼樣也不肯修去年立法院三讀通過了財政收治化分法之前我們在幾個月的時間請行政院趕快提出版本財政部也好行政院也好甚至包括總統 |
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不斷的跟社會宣稱舊的財政收支劃分法就是最好的版本我來講一次去年你們說舊的財政收支劃分法就是最好的版本等不到你們的版本立法院在12月 |
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20號三讀通過了新版的財政收支劃分法這個是去年立法院三讀通過的立法院三讀通過新版的財政收支劃分法以後行政院提出複議被立法院否決了否決完了以後成為正式生效的法律第一個問題 |
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請問針對明年中央政府總預算給地方政府的是不是依照新版財化法的規定撥補給地方政府包括統籌分配款包括補助款 |
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跟委員報告第一個我向來的說法是財化法涉及各級政府財源的重分配要審慎的規劃要取得共識所以我從來沒有說但是對於剛剛我必須要做說明那第二個部分對不起請你針對問題回答明年的預算 |
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是按照新版財化法編的是嗎明年的115年的總預算裡面我們是按照去年12月20號是按照去年12月20號通過的今天3月總統公佈的我們編列的好 非常好我們問答具體明確就好了去年12月20號三讀通過 |
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復議被否決總統公佈新版的財化法2026年的預算是按照新版的財化法公佈的是嗎是的行政院認為新版的財化法違憲嗎 |
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我們認為這個部分因為它所造成的一些問題我們有提釋線好先停一下你們雖然停釋線了但是你們還是按照新版的財化法編了明年的預算對嗎我沒有申請試驗沒有申請暫時處分對所以你們還是按照新版的財化法去編明年的預算對嗎是的好 |
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這個就是非常清楚民主憲政的運作三讀通過你們提復議被否決就按照新法編預算這才是民主法治國家這才是民主法治國家但是我們來看看等到你們挖了地方政府計劃型的補助款以後立法院在今年為了要補這個漏洞 |
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我們再提出了針對去年新版的財化法不要任意讓中央政府挖掉本來應該要給地方政府補助款的版本後來行政院匆匆忙忙終於提出願版終於提出願版說 |
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我們給地方的財源提高到新台幣一兆兩千億這是行政院的版本行政院的記者會中央釋出財源比較中央釋出財源比較特別強調最右邊的那一欄給一兆兩千 |
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給地方政府請問行政院的立場這個行政院院版的裁劃法有沒有違憲行政院院版的裁劃法有沒有違憲我們當然沒有違憲當然沒有違憲嘛我中央政府給地方政府一兆兩千億怎麼會違憲 |
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非常好的版本啦給的版本比什麼比我們去年給我們比我們去年給地方政府的還多這是你們行政院做的喔委員不是只有這個不好意思喔我問題還沒有講完請你不要插嘴可以嗎我問題還沒有講完請你不要插嘴可以嗎基本的禮貌要有 |
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話要講清楚要不然一般公民聽不懂現在我完全聽不懂了去年我們所通過的財化法按照行政院自己畫的圖表新版財化法一兆一千多億我們的行政院高喊這個違憲要申請憲法法庭釋憲但是行政院今年提出的財化法 |
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所有行政院的財劃法比去年在野黨黨團的給的更多一兆兩千億但是我們有考量到分配的公平跟均衡但是不違憲我們有考量分配的公平跟均衡沒有關係違憲不違憲是水平分配的問題嗎不是 |
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違憲不違憲是水平分配的問題嗎絕對不是憲法裡面要做調計營需你回去看一下你們行政院自己所提出來的主張荒謬自己啊在野黨提出的給一兆一千多億行政院高喊違憲但是行政院今年所主張的願板一兆兩千億合憲啊 |
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我們比新版的給得更多所以重點是什麼重點根本就不是是不是給一兆一千億還是給一兆兩千億的問題因為我們要跟你討論憲法學憲法學者看了會笑到底要給一兆一千億給一兆兩千億這樣會導致違憲不違憲 |
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非常可笑沒有關係這個問題明天司法法治委員會會處理但是我們話要說清楚講明白剛剛你說水平分配的公平很重要行政院院版這個一兆兩千億的水平分配試算表出來了嗎 |
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我们在里面各个指标都有非常详细的我说四算表出来了吗我觉得我们应该要回归到一个可长可久的制度性来考量四算表出来了吗指标都可以拿来讨论对不起请问四算表出来的数字出来了吗过去的财务法的修正这两版也没有任何数字出来 |
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你們是行政部門耶所有的data在你們手上耶一個財政部部長說水平分配公平很重要有各項指標到今天連試算表都拿不出來是算不出來還是算好放在抽屜裡面不敢拿出來怕算好放在抽屜裡面一拿出來群情花瀾奇怪了行政部門 |
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提出了新版院版的裁划法水平分配要給各縣市不知道多少數字 不知道所有的data在你們手上你們不是算不出來啊你們不是算不出來啊是算出來了根本不願意交出來所以卓榮泰才會很傲慢的講嘛只要在野黨接受了我們行政院版 |
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試算數字就出來了那等於是什麼先威脅你先威脅你接受我們的接受我們的你就看得到數字你如果不接受我們的你永遠看不到數字 |
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多傲慢的行政部門啊多傲慢的行政部門啊沒有關係啊你反正覺得你今天這個財政部部長有卓榮泰撐腰有賴清德撐腰你要在國會裡面用這麼傲慢的神情用這麼傲慢的語氣來回答立法委員諮詢那是你的選擇但是我們在國會殿堂道理要說清楚 |
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我從一開始執行到現在所有的數字 甚至PPT喔全部都是用你們行政院的全部都是用你們行政院的去年潘孟安在世華法治委員會說什麼說總統一定會公佈法律啊行政院院長一定會附屬啊行政院院長不會 如果沒附屬是在打臉賴清德啊這會造成憲政的災難啊結果呢 |
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結果今年果然就上演了不附屬不公告不執行沒有關係啊台灣的民主憲政我們會持續的捍衛破壞台灣民主憲政的人未來的責任一定會被追究 |
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好 部長請回謝謝黃國昌委員的質詢接下來我們請洪孟凱委員洪孟凱委員 洪孟凱委員不在接下來請何欣淳委員何欣淳委員 何欣淳委員不在接下來請許富奎委員質詢謝謝主席 有請我們莊部長 |
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委員好部長辛苦部長我想這個財政機率的堅持這是我們這個行政部門應該要遵守的一個原則那面對這樣的一個明年財化法的一個處理上面未來中央跟地方政府的關係上面部長有什麼樣的看法怎麼樣來配合繼續推動我們台灣進步的力量 |
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11641.163 |
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呃我們會依照法律行政同時只有財政部立場一定會遵守相關的法律的規定來執行我們的業務對所以我想我們這個該給地方的我們都不會去短掃了哈當然對那我想今天的主題是在於這個呃我們這個呃 |
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11662.554 |
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11674.687 |
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中國啤酒傾銷的一個問題所以我們提出了一個海關進口稅者的一個修法部長我想我上任之後我一直很關心這個中國啤酒大量傾銷的問題那尤其我們鄉下這個甘媽店也好廟會 |
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大陸啤酒假裝是歐美品牌或日本品牌的情形非常的氾濫非常的嚴重尤其他們在中國大陸官方的支撐補助之下用低價傾銷的策略買三箱送一箱造成我們很多鄉下的地方都當作是喝外國米酒結果不小心喝的是大陸的一個啤酒 |
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那我們第一時間我們也要求我們財政部相關單位我們進行一個中國啤酒的一個反傾銷的一個調查那也很高興我們這個相關的部會已經有同意啤酒課徵這個19到51%為期5年的一個反傾銷稅 |
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那從這個進口的數字我們也明顯看到中國啤酒受到這樣的一個反傾銷稅的一個課徵從8月開始連續4個月比同期衰退了將近7成部長那我想這個數字是不是代表我們這樣反傾銷稅已經發揮了一定的作用 |
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是的但是部長我們有個憂心忡忡的另外一個問題上有政策下有對策那中國大陸他們現在已經把這個生產基地不是從大陸了他們甚至從百威跟雪山的品牌已經出貨從越南在這邊出貨很明顯用一個吸產力的一個模式那尤其我們收集到的一個資料從今年六月開始 |
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越南進口啤酒的金額跟數量明顯的激增九月份更是一個爆炸性的一個成長金額較去年同期增加了83倍數量增加了62倍截至11月為止越南啤酒進口的金額更是成長了16倍我想這個越南啤酒已經成為我們單月最大進口的一個來源國那面對這樣的一個息產力的疑慮我們財政部有沒有什麼樣一個對策 |
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跟委員報告只要其他國家有低價傾銷然後造成我們國內產業的一個損害的話那其實根據我們現在的法律都可以課徵反傾銷稅不管是從哪一個國家來這樣子我們對這樣的量以及對產業的一個影響我們也都會關注以及會跟經濟部會來做會持續的關注 |
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對啦我想這個這個問題不是只有我們幾個委員當時這個一直積極在處理然後才引起我們行政單位的一個重視我想我們平常應該針對這樣的一個進口的進出口的一個數據就應該要有這樣的一個敏銳度啦我不知道我想這應該要持續來做一個監控好不好好謝謝委員是好 |
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那所以本席針對這樣的一個問題我想我們也提出了一個這個啤酒啤酒花稅跟這個進口的一個免除關稅的一個問題那我想我們財政部也有提出了一個優質酒類的一個認證制度每年編列的將近2000萬那這個對酒類的一個產業能夠發揮一定的作用嗎部長有沒有什麼樣的看法 |
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委員報告我們這一次對於委員也有提案有關這個降關稅的部分我們基本上是支持跟委員報告對跟委員報告我們當然也做了一些分析包括他的進口量以及對於國內啤酒生產的一個幫助以及對我們國內的農業的影響並沒有這樣的情況下而且在稅收部分事實上是進增加的 |
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所以我們就支持委員這個部分我們希望我們國內的啤酒產業更具有競爭力那降低它的成本是一個方式之一那這樣子而且對就業人口如果有幫助的話都是正面的效益的首先我們台灣也沒辦法這個做一個種植跟一個釀酒的一個技術啦所以必須仰賴這個高度的一個進口目前進口的單價這個未烘焙的麥芽每公斤的進口成本2.15元 |
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11940.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
那啤酒化更是高達31.7元這個稅制成本明顯高於我們的這個競爭的一個生產區所以我想我們提出這個案子真的也希望我們行政部門能夠全力來支持部長可以承諾嗎是的我們支持委員的提案而且況且以我們現在目前我們掌握到的數字我們這沒了啦 沒了錢啦而且還會賺錢啦應該是這樣子啦希望是提高我們國內的競爭力好好謝謝謝謝 謝謝委員 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
11945.694 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
11962.879 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
好謝謝許富奎委員部長請回接下來請黃建豪委員黃建豪委員黃建豪委員不在接下來請黃珊珊委員黃珊珊委員黃珊珊委員不在今日登記發言的委員均與諮詢完畢本次會議做如下的決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
11975.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
12001.334 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
說明集詢答完畢委員質詢未及答覆或請補充資訊請相關部會於一周內以書面答覆委員另要求期限者從其鎖定委員黃珊珊 陳玉珍所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報並請相關部會以書面答覆海關進口稅責部分稅責修正草案等五案 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].start |
12002.762 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
12014.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
令則其繼續審查 本次會議程進行完畢 堂友不在場委員補題書面質詢 疑病列入記錄刊登公報 並請議事人員協助處理 現在散會好 謝謝 |