| IVOD_ID |
17124 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17124 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-17T08:36:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-17T12:46:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:09:51 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302dd6753254e18e0cc6477ef77880efbf6b2d5e67b2ed5162375c85baf91e4174d495ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-12-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部、農業部及海洋委員會就「郵輪觀光、遊艇觀光暨藍色公路辦理情形及未來規劃」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查(一)委員羅美玲等18人擬具「商港法第二條條文修正草案」案、(二)委員魯明哲等16人擬具「商港法第三十六條、第六十五條及第七十一條條文修正草案」案及(三)委員林岱樺等18人擬具「商港法第五十三條條文修正草案」案。
三、審查委員黃健豪等19人擬具「民用航空法第一百十九條之一條文修正草案」案。
四、審查(一)委員陳培瑜等18人擬具「大眾運輸工具播音語言平等保障法第四條及第六條條文修正草案」案及(二)委員陳雪生等26人擬具「大眾運輸工具播音語言平等保障法第六條條文修正草案」案。
【本次會議僅進行詢答】
【12月17日及18日二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:36:09 - 12:46:00 |
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初期委員已逐法定人數現在開會請議事人員宣讀上次會議議事錄立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議議事錄時間114年12月8日星期一上午9時至下午1時20分地點北面紅樓201會議室初期委員林國成等15人立席委員鄭天才等14人 |
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立席官員國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員陳崇樹等主席洪昭吉委員孟凱報告思想宣讀上次會議議事錄決定議事錄確定討論事項審查衛星廣播電視法部分條文修論草案供究案本日會議有委員張祺凱等說明提案要旨由國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員陳崇樹報告後就委林國成等21人提出質詢 |
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均經代理主任委員陳崇樹及相關人員分別予以答覆局議一 報告及詢討完畢二 委員楊瓊映所提書面諮詢列入記錄並刊登公報三 委員諮詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答覆部分請國家通訊傳播委員會及相關機關競訴書面答覆四 討論四項個案均另定其繼續審查 散會宣讀完畢 |
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好 現在介紹在場委員 邱若驊委員介紹列席人員 車農部常務次長 林國賢次長公共運輸及監理師 胡迪啟司長行政司 韓正華司長 |
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法治處許鴻達處長觀光署陳玉秀署長航港局葉協榮局長民航局何淑萍局長港務公司周永輝董事長農業部漁業署沿海 |
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沿靜海漁業組劉福生組長海洋委員會海巡署許靜之副署長華吾部楊池宇檢察官行政院人事行政總處主編人力處孫沛宇專門委員 |
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文化部人文及出版師朱育瑩 副司長本日會議進行郵輪觀光 遊艇觀光及藍色公路辦理情形及未來規劃之專題報告及香港法 民用航空法 大眾運輸工具 播音 語音 平等保障法等修正草案之審查 |
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請提案委員說明提案樣子如果沒有的話我們就先暫緩請列席機關報告請交通部林國賢次長報告 |
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主席 各位委員 各位女士 各位先生今天應邀致貴委員會就郵輪觀光 郵艇觀光及藍色公路辦理情形及未來規劃進行專題報告同時就香港法 民用航空法大眾運輸工具播音語言平等保障法等六項修正法案 |
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草案提出本部的建議處理意見 敬請各位委員不吝指教台灣四面環海並擁有絕佳的地理優勢位處於在國際航運跟東亞島鏈的樞紐中心位置在新冠疫情後 本部致力於國際郵輪 遊艇及藍色公路等海洋觀光的復甦跟成長在郵輪觀光方面 我們不僅成功走過低行易谷 |
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預估14年旅客人次將突破114萬超越疫情前108年的歷史新高在遊艇的推廣方面透過博區的建設跟遊艇活動的推廣遊艇的駕照數跟登記數均有顯著的成長以讓遊艇休閒活動逐漸走入民眾的生活在扮演離島往來本島交通重要的藍色公路方面目前每年服務人次超過500萬人次 |
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除了可以提供基本民行跟滿足觀光旅遊的交通需求之外在海洋觀光上也頗有發展潛力本部以著手規劃推動相關的工作讓藍色公路成為促進國旅升級發展的新選擇未來本部將持續統合航港觀光資源優化港口旅運設施提升服務品質並加強郵輪、郵艇及藍色公路等行銷推廣 |
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來促進產業的合作創新豐富的遊程跟打造海洋旅遊的新模式另就貴會委員所抵據的香港法民用航空法及大眾運輸工具波音語言平等保障法等六項修正草案呢也提出本部的建議處理意見那首先在香港法修正提案部分包括第二條第三十五條第五十三條第六十五條及第七十一條等系就主管機關名稱調整 |
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強化海難應變責任跟港區活動的規範等三大面向進行修正針對本次的修正條文本部對於完備機關名稱及強化海難應變的機制競表支持為港區活動範圍內涉及民眾權益跟大幅加重罰則的部分建議採比較審慎的態度來凝聚共識後再行推動 |
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另外有關民用航空法第119條之一修正提案委員建議增加命期限期改善以及藉其未改正者按次處罰等規定考量違規之超輕型載具飛行活動恐對民眾及其財產造成危害與威脅的風險如果需要累積三次以上才來停飛停泉將增加發生復顧的風險因此我們建議維持現行條文 |
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最後大眾運輸工具播音語言平等保障法修正提案包括第四條跟第六條修正條文跟內容跟行政院函式優先使用語言名稱的方向一致因此本部尊重委員會審查的結果以下呢就請本部航港局業局長就郵輪觀光遊艇跟 |
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藍色公路辦理情形跟未來規劃的辦理情形跟各位做專案報告另外呢 韓政司 韓市長就香港法等修正建議處理意見分別向各位委員提報 敬請各位委員指教請局長跟市長抓重點來做報告 |
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主席 各位委員 各位女士先生今天應邀去郭委員會就遊艇觀光及藍色公路辦理情形及未來規劃進行報告進行各位委員指教首先報告遊輪觀光發展現況新冠疫情後112年來臺 |
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國際郵輪共324艘次 旅客54.7萬人次 旅客人次恢復至疫情最高峰約5成 114年度國際郵輪預計恢復到港數為567艘次 旅客114.4萬人次將超越疫情前108年 旅客最高峰105.5萬人次創下歷史新高 疫情期間港澳公司不斷的升級優化 |
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各港郵輪旅運中心的軟硬體設施陸續完成基隆港 高雄港 蘇澳港等郵輪旅運中心的興建或改善工程那同時協調CIQS單位優化通關效率跟服務目前所下的三港均符合國際郵輪停航標準 |
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依照目前預報的資料115年來台國際郵輪預計601艘次114萬人次 整體旅客人次與114年相近沙士的成長6%顯示中國郵輪市場呈現穩定的成長 |
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為促進我國遊輪觀光持續發展 江部有關單位將朝以下方向加強推動各項行銷獎勵措施一 積極參與國際遊輪論壇並強調國際的招商行銷港版國際觀光署每次主團參加全球遊輪推特論壇並設台灣館形成台灣遊輪港口觀光景點 |
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那也邀請國際郵輪航商來臺實地採線今年度分別邀請三商海洋郵輪公主郵輪嘉年華郵輪參訪各商港的郵輪設施並考察各觀光景點觀光署與郵輪航商旅行社推廣Flightcruise包圍的交通社並與力興郵輪合作推廣Flightcruise吸引重遊客來臺並邀請媒體及業者 |
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來臺體驗此外 航港局113年舉辦跳島遊輪推介會邀請日韓非遊輪發展單位共同行銷亞洲跳島遊輪旅遊二 根據推廣具體的獎勵措施吸引國際遊輪來臺國防署將持續推動境外遊輪來臺及來臺空海聯營旅遊Flycruise兩項獎勵誘因 |
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其中境外遊輪的部分 110年度預計獎注25艘次較去年成長近三倍港公司會和國際遊輪提早一到兩年佈局航線的特性均提早兩年公佈國際客船的優惠措施提供碼頭訂國費及旅客服務費的優惠 |
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在第三 推廣岸上的郵輪遊程 觀光署與學校單位合作 針對疫後的岸上郵輪遊程進行調查研究 並整合各區域的觀光圈的遊程 提供全台郵輪港口岸上行程的推薦 向郵輪公司旅行社及旅客來行銷推廣 |
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此外 光屬於上架全新的臺灣遊輪旅遊主題炫到影片 加強行銷臺灣遊輪觀光的整體形象 另外強化 |
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郵輪旅客的權益保障交通部已指定航港局擔任郵輪消費增益的主政機關相關的消費增益將由航港局及觀光署各依全責分別督導郵輪公司及旅行社妥適處理未來如有重大消費增益案件航港局將會同觀光署邀集消保單位及相關業者共同協調補償措施並加強 |
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資訊揭露的機制提升資訊透明度令觀光署及航港局以分別檢討增訂遊人旅遊相關應記載及不得記載的事項的草案目前正進行法制作業中未來公告實施後將督促業者落實辦理 |
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接下來將報告遊艇觀光的發展現況為提供我國遊艇活動完善的發展環境航港局會協同漁業署自112年起執行遊艇國區整體發展計畫藉由中央政策的指導 |
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以及資源的投入 補助地方政府整體的盤點相關水域適合發展遊艇博區的相關的水域那目前迄今已補助9個縣市辦理這個區域的整體規劃10處的水域辦理可行性類評估3處的水域的建設 |
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至三港國家風水區及國家公園部分則由相關管理及關鍋負責推動目前安平 高雄 台中 花蓮均已有遊艇業者進入經營截至114年12月全國專攻遊艇靠駁的專屬國區已由111年的18處擴增為26處 |
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席位數由1138席擴增為1437席預計115年度將增加28處席位數將增加為1537席另有79處非專屬婆區來提供靠駁使用另外為促進這個遊艇觀光的多元發展 觀光署每年的4月均舉辦大鵬灣的帆船生活節活動來持續加強屏東觀光 |
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觀光圈的實塑油構型各項產業的發展強化大鵬灣作為南臺灣重要海洋油氣基地的地位航空局也會同這個高雄市政府台南市以及基隆市等地方政府積極推動來合作舉辦豐富多元的遊艇推廣活動包括結合遊艇的體驗結合水域油氣活動以及考照的推廣 |
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還錄了郵程介紹等 110年到113年共舉舉辦14場次的推廣活動 累計吸引百萬人次的一個參與 那在遊艇登記加上數的成長部分 那國際遊艇 |
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國籍遊艇的登記數量由102年的129艘次成長到114年的1636艘次遊艇駕照所有102年的1756張成長到114年的32000 |
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417張 另外為提供民眾從事遊艇活動便利的申辦服務 取得多元活動的旅遊資訊 航港局以整合海委會的相關系統在112年12月正式推出台灣遊艇入口Apple的這個單一入口網站 提供遊艇入出境 搏威申請 出海報備以及遊艇旅遊四大核心功能 |
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的一站式服務 截至11月底 瀏覽量已達800萬人次為促進遊艇觀光的持續發展 交通部相關單位將朝以下方向來推動幾項重要工作一 規劃推動遊艇博區的發展續期計畫航空局以研議根據來提報116到119年的遊艇碼頭整體發展計畫 |
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1478.061 |
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1489.825 |
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那其能持續協助地方政府推動轄區內水域遊艇泊區的一個建設那完善熱門景點這個遊艇泊區的設施建構我國遊艇遊程的整體網絡二將研議鬆綁遊艇營業的這個管制的限制並規劃推動遊艇泊區的獎勵方案航空局 |
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1501.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
1526.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
課程辦理傳播法的檢討修正作業那研議將非自用遊艇修正為這個營業用遊艇並鬆綁相關的營業限制港澳公司也研定了上港區域的遊艇博取獎勵方案將於行政完程序完備後 儘速辦理後續的事宜三 根據推動推廣遊艇的這個活動 擴大遊艇觀光的效益為持續擴大國內遊艇活動的參與人口 |
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1529.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
1549.267 |
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航港局將規劃於116到119年間繼續與觀光署與地方政府合作合作持續辦理遊艇推廣活動相關規劃已納入遊艇博區的續期計畫最後報告藍色公路的現況及未來發展規劃目前國內海運客運固定航線共25條本島至離島島基間13條旅運量 |
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1555.692 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
1578.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
介於500到560萬人次間為維持離島海運穩定固定航班的服務 航港局每年都持續辦理離島海運客運的營運虧損補貼 基本航次補貼以及居民票價補貼除固定航班外 也持續的精進海運的備援措施來維護離島以及東部地區的交通基本民行權益 |
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1579.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
1601.11 |
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在旅運設施的優化方面 航港局跟港務公司藉由國內三港五年計畫以及交通船碼頭優化升級建設計畫等計畫的推動協助地方逐步完善交通船的旅運設施 近年具體成果包括111年啟用布袋港的新旅運設施 113年啟用屏東的新園海洋 |
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1601.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
1618.715 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
航運園區114年完成馬工港旅客中心的擴建同時啟用馬祖東舉蒙澳的興建後船市由於藍色公路不僅是離島交通與緊急輸運的重要運具同時也是促進海洋觀光重要的元素航港局 |
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1619.335 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
1634.423 |
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以會同觀光署於114年夏季來示範基隆花蓮基隆澎湖以及布袋澎湖金門等三條海洋觀光推廣航線載客率約六到九成 據初步的推廣成效三 為促進 |
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1636.064 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
1657.128 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
南社公路的持續發展 航港局將持續優化離島交通船的旅運設施 目前已規劃推動多項的專案計畫 包括屏東的東遊縣交通船碼頭旅運設施改善計畫 台東的綠島南寮漁港交通船整體改善計畫 令客鎮辦理南漁開源港的後船式的招標作業 |
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1660.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
1685.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
為根據促進海洋觀光以及提升海運的韌性 海港局處以持續優化蘇哈海運備援措施以及洗澡能外另為提升海運交通韌性以及破壞全國優質的藍絲公路 更正規劃構建全國藍絲公路暨備援船舶預計115年奉行政院核定後辦理招標作業 118年建造完成投入營運 |
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1686.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
1711.21 |
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在全國藍色公路船舶投入營運前將掀起培養海洋觀光的課員航港局將會同觀光署與航上地方政府來攜手推出更多元具特色的藍色公路讓藍色公路成為促進國力升級發展的新選擇最後做一個簡要的結語台灣為海洋國家深具發展國際遊輪 遊艇及藍色公路海洋觀光的潛力與條件 |
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1713.013 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
1729.797 |
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將不未來將持續朝優化旅運設施 提升服務品質 加強行業的面向與地方政府及業者合作推展觀光各項工作 其能成為促進我國觀光持續成長的新動能 以上報告敬請各位委員指教 謝謝再次提醒報告請精簡 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
1741.949 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
1765.436 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
主席 各位委員 今天應邀列席委員會就委員擬據上綱法 民用航空法 大眾運輸工具波音語言平等保障法修正草案進行報告請檢要說明如下 敬請各位委員指教委員 輪委員等擬據上綱法第二條條文修正草案修正重點 上綱法110年修正時行政課程推動組織改造將交通部改制為交通級建設部 |
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1766.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
1791.457 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
112年行政院組織法草案恢復交通部的名稱同年交通部組織法三讀通過原修正主管機關名稱為交通部建立處理意見 針對香港法的主管機關名稱修正部分建議可納入本次修正二 委員魯明哲等已據香港法36條65條及71條修正草案修正重點 鑒於現行香港法36條增訂香港區域內不得養殖或以撒網布網 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
1792.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
1814.26 |
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等方式採捕水產動物植物及徒手檢視採捕水產動物植物等規定及其罰款建議處理意見源於商港公告區域外違規垂釣者罰款為600元至3000元有關建議將罰款調高至3萬至15萬元罰款額度提高50倍考量本樣態行為出犯比例較高 |
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1815.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
1829.462 |
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法環建議不宜調整過高本條文應涉及到民眾權益港區違規太陽及公權力執行本部將邀集相關單位討論獲知公示後再納入修法檢討建議本次暫不修正3 委員林黛樺你據上綱法53條 |
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1830.763 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
1846.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
條文修正草案修正重點現行香港法53條傳播因故擱淺沉默或故障漂流香港局應命採取必要的應變措施並限期打撈移出傳播及所裝載貨物原增加借其為改善者得按日連續處罰之規定 |
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1847.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
1862.306 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
建議處理意見傳播發生海難及其他意外事故本部航港局均依香港法命傳播所有人及船長採取應變措施若能修法授權本部航港局得事情況連續處罰更能有效嚇阻傳播所有人消極 |
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1863.366 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
1889.925 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
拖延採取更積極的應變措施原建議可納入本次修正並建議保留該局對於不同個案之裁量空間修正文字為得事情節按日連續處罰次委員黃建豪擬拒民航法第119條之一條文修正草案修正重點現行民航法119條之一僅明令得處罰未賦予主管機關命期限期改善原增加命期限期改善及屆期未改正之規定 |
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1890.485 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
1914.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
建議處理意見超輕型載具因低空飛行任何操作失誤都可能造成重大事故波及地面第三人現行規定於事件發生及要求採取必要改正措施依法對於違規事件採取罰款並可依民航法第九條之七條文要求限期改善若違規情節重大則立即命令停止活動或廢止其操作的一個許可 |
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1915.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
1928.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
那本次修正條文新增累積三次未改正後可停飛停權的規定但實務上可能在第一次違規未改正或第二次違規時即可能構成情節重大需立即停飛停權為免違規者產生誤解引發裁罰爭議建議維持現行條文五 |
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1932.7 |
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1953.408 |
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委員陳培宇擬具大眾運輸工具播音語言評登保障法第4條及第6條條文修正草案修正重點依國家語言整體發展方案建議用語修正第6條所列語言名稱建議處理意見行政院110年函式未來國家語言發展報告或其他文書資料應參酌國家語言整體發展方案書面用語有關規範 |
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1954.848 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
1981.576 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
委員所提的修正內容與行政院函式方向一致建議可納入本次修正六 委員陳雪生擬具大眾運輸工具播音語言評等保障法第六條條文修正草案修正重點將現行明北福州語修正為馬祖閩東語建議處理意見委員提案修正內容與上開行政院函式方向一致為國家語言整體發展方案用語為馬祖語為增列括號閩東文字本部尊重委員會審查意見 |
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1982.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
2009.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
針對相關委員之提案 請提供本部建議處理意見 進行各位委員參採 謝謝好 謝謝那其餘機關所送書面報告均列入記錄 刊登公報我們先確定意思錄 針對上次會議意思錄在場委員有沒有意見沒有意見 意思錄確定那我們現在先進行提案說明 請黃建豪委員 |
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2020.1 |
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2048.26 |
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好 謝謝主席 我們各部會的長官我想今天提案的是民用航空法第119之一條的提案說明我想近年來所謂超輕型載具的活動它逐漸成為一種熱門的休閒活動我想交通部也因應超輕型載具的發展所以在民用航空法裡面也訂立了針對超輕型載具的管理的規章當然在鼓勵活動多元化的同時我們也覺得說必要持續來檢視現行的制度是否完善來確保活動安全 |
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2048.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
2071.155 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
我想這個超新型載具它是屬於新型態的休閒的運動的活動它的使用者目前也是非常的多元所以涵蓋個人協會跟學校等單位活動本身當然它的專業跟一定程度的風險依照民航局的統計近五年通過檢驗合格的超新型載具的數量每年大約介於33到44家之間 |
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2072.216 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
2086.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
持有合格的操作證的人數每年維持在250到280人的規模我想這樣子的人數它是具有一定的成長性我們希望說未來在相關的法規上面應該兼顧輔導跟改善的策略進一步檢視違規樣態的話 |
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2087.679 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
2106.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
民航局的資料顯示說近五年違規案件就我們看到的數字大概是11件那這11件裡面多數都是屬於未完成行政程序或文件未更新或者是沒有在合法場地空運活動等等的技術性違規或者行政上的違規它並不是直接造成飛航安全事故的這種重大危害行為 |
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2107.481 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
2136.801 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
但是因為現行的法令是只有規定直接裁罰的方式沒有賦予主管機關命期限期改善的法定權限所以在這次修法的精神跟條文裡面我們是加上了說希望主管機關有限期改善的法定權限除了罰還之外把它輔導到完善讓它在限期之內能夠改善到安全完全符合到相關的行政規範我想應該也是當初修法的目的性之一所以我們把相關的提案來把它放進去 |
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2137.401 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
2151.918 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
那這次修正則是賦予主管機關能夠命這個超進型載具的所有人操作人 活動團體或者是製造廠商限期改善的權限那藉其未改善當然還是按次處罰那如果多次處罰如果還是沒有改正的話 |
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2152.478 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
2168.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
就采取停止活动或废止它的操作许可证这样的严厉处分希望是透过先改善后处罚最后退场的分级管理机制让这样的行政手段更具有弹性跟时效才能够落实超新型载具活动的安全管理目标以上说明谢谢 |
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2172.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
2198.294 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
謝謝黃建豪委員提案說明現在要開始進行巡打先宣告以下事項巡打時間出席委員7分鐘列席委員5分鐘因今日下午3點有相關的預算戶屬單位預算的協商所以出席委員7分鐘列席委員5分鐘委員歡迎登記於10點30分截止 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
2199.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
2227.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
各委員如有臨時提案請於10點前提出以便醫事人員會診暫定10點30分休息10分鐘現在請登記第一位委員洪孟凱召委發言主席好 主席麻煩請林次長請次長然後我們還有航港局葉局長葉局長 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
2233.102 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
2256.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
來 市長委員早市長局長早那個感謝昭偉這次排這相關的一個議程其實是非常的重要我們我國也是四面環海那我們的藍色公路或是觀光郵輪也都需要大幅的來推動本席現在來給市長了解一下背景是不是現在來了解我們最近郵輪的一個業務就發生了這個有國際郵輪他說 |
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2258.924 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
2288.127 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
來推動我們相關的一個航程結果突然間已經開賣的一個旅程說要去前往菲律賓那結果說突然間因為可能是賣相不佳或說可能沒有那麼多的客源或怎麼樣導致於說他突然間臨時更變行程那原本已經下訂原本已經購買的旅客就突然間他就講說我就是因為要去菲律賓所以我才買這個行程啊那就沒想到他片面的做更改那完全沒有任何 |
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2288.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
2310.192 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
即便是告知可是已經下定這個旅客的權益都已經受損了我想有沒有掌握這樣的狀況是 包委員目前我們有掌握例行友人明年1月份大概有9個行次是原來是要到那其中有三個是要前往菲律賓的旅程那現在都已經更改片面更改調整要去日本沖繩是對不對是那 |
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2310.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
2333.039 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
消費者的權益在哪邊尤其是我們看到是說他講如果說旅客還要前往的話我給你一個房間兩千塊的一個船上消費金額可是對於遊客來講他講說我可能是台北台中的旅客我光坐高鐵要去高雄來搭郵輪就已經要花幾千塊的高鐵費那再加上 |
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2333.579 |
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我就是因為菲律賓的旅程我沒去過所以我才想要訂結果你現在突然片面改成我要去沖繩國人哪一個人沒有去過沖繩那可以任由業者直接片面說更改就更改然後完全不用跟旅客來告知那這樣我們的第三方公正機關在哪邊來協助 來 |
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包委遊艇業者來開賣各種商品應該是要提前作業就是您提到的因為他有準備的期間那第二個遊艇業者應該依照原來開售的來履行他的這個服務跟保障旅客的權益所以如果遊艇業者因為狀況不管是什麼狀況 |
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包含輪船 遊船的問題或者是當地安排的問題而要提出變更的話那應該依照消費者保護的原則跟精神要提前告知消費者來調整譬如說明年1月的行程那可能就要提早告知消費者讓他們有機會調整或是變更 |
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那也應該要做必要的補償或是修正所以這個案子我已經要求航港局跟觀光署因為我們有一個正義處理小組目前是由航港局跟觀光署副首長組成那這一類的問題我們會請他們兩個單位儘早要求這個郵輪業者來協商然後提出該有的補償跟說明那我們的底線是什麼我想最簡單來講他雖然還傳出說他不全額退費還要扣人家的服務費手續費 |
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然後就是強迫旅客一定要搭乘等於是說我就不想退費啦你最好是直接就改成我要去沖繩你就配合我們去沖繩包委員應該不可以這樣子當然不可以嘛不可以這樣子是 所以我們的底線就是要有全額退費的機制是那也不能扣除所謂的服務費因為畢竟那是你船公司片面更改形成嘛不是旅客的因素造成的或是也不是不可抗力的話應該由郵輪公司來負責好 |
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那次長我想這一個部分你講也很清楚也很明確我覺得這是站在我們站在天平的中間左右兩端一方面我們希望郵輪可以多來台灣開設航線促進台灣的郵輪發展另外一方面我們也鼓勵消費者能夠去國外多看看或是說鼓勵國外消費者來台灣搭乘郵輪多看看多停留但是我們的消費者權益保障就要做好這可以當成是一個 |
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首例案例未來有這樣的樣態我們都應該要一致的標準所以未來我看到我們也有委員有今天的臨時提案也都希望是能夠針對這個部分能夠更加強我們所謂的定期化契約 |
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這一些是不是未來能夠寫在定期化契約裡面讓消費者不要每一次出了什麼問題都好像求助無門都一定要拜託民意代表機關然後到最後行政部門才姍姍來遲站出來當然遲到總比不到好但我們的意思是未來的這個定期化契約是不是寫得更明確讓郵輪業者他們要片面更改形成之前他們就知道他們的成本在哪裡 |
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來謝謝委員確實如此遊輪我們歡迎他們來台灣提供服務跟提供旅遊方案但是這些方案必須要預先告知消費者也應該要有一定的保障所以在今年度行政院消保會有要求我們交通部到消保處來報告 |
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那這個案子基本上觀光署跟航港局都有訂定這個定情化契約針對郵輪業者的責任以及旅行社的責任甚至是否因為不可抗力或是旅客的因素而造成的這個延誤但顯然過去他沒有還是他沒有想要打算遵守否則我們已經訂令了為什麼還會發生這樣的狀況 |
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還是過去沒有把這個樣子還在進行中是好那什麼時候我們定型化契約會出來來我請局長稍微來簡單說明一下什麼時候是各位報告有關傳票的這個定型化契約院的消保處已經召開過兩次審議會議那近期會召開第三次那我們會積極的跟院消保處協調希望儘快審議通過趕快來發布那觀光署有另外還有一個個別有旅遊的定型化契約目前在辦理 |
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是 我都肯定我們公務同仁的作為但是你剛講積極我覺得不夠來 市長你看一下我們今天的報告通篇都在講說從疫後開始每年郵輪的旅客成長百分之多少從300萬 400萬 500萬你們也都有看到我們現在你今天的報告都講說我們的郵輪市場是活絡的 是增加的結果我們最基本的定期化契約到目前為止還在第一次 第二次 還在第三次 |
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所以很明顯是我們的法令沒有跟上我們的市場的復甦的速度也導致於這一次有發生這樣的狀況我們還要再用一個會來去嚇阻這樣的狀況但如果說你有定期化契約的話其實在購買票之前那邊就可以贏貨兩棄了所以市長能不能確認因為這個還需要送到立法院嗎 |
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不用嘛那你行政部門確認之後就可以公告了什麼時候可以確定報委員因為還在行政院消保處討論但是在那個之前所以現在是行政院消保處在拖在那個之前我們至少我剛剛跟您報告了我已經要求兩個機關要成立正義處理小組主動來處理這件事情市長我們不要跌床架屋能夠確認的部分我們就明確法治化嘛 |
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所以我現在只要確認說那什麼時間點我想今天周偉排這個案子也希望是看到我們的市場越來越活絡那你就是法治化讓大家有規則可循能不能給個承諾三個月內三個月內三個月內一定出來包括你剛剛講的這個票價的定計劃契約以及另外一個是什麼 |
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個別旅遊的部分一個是船票一個是個別旅遊應該已經在收尾階段了嘛所以三個月內這兩個定期化契約都可以出來並且公告是好 市長承諾 |
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來那我抱歉在一分鐘的時間我也幫地方鄉親請命我們很多港都很不錯那其中本席的台北港我想也都一直在航港局這邊都講是說這是台北港是一個發展的重鎮但是台北港目前看起來是比較進出口郵輪的這個市場相對比較少那當然你會講很多譬如說包括說它的 |
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跟基隆港比較近或者是說它的水深等等的部分但我們還是希望是不是有機會因為台北港畢竟它的發展空間很大尤其是現在還有第三期 第四期持續的在填外海那這個部分是不是能夠請航港局再加強的來研究看看跟地方政府來溝通台北港怎麼樣能夠有更多的郵輪能夠來商機進駐是 謝謝委員 沒問題好 |
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那這會後是不是也請香港局針對這個部分一個月內再給本席相關的一個規劃報告是是 包委我們遵照辦理好 謝謝好 謝謝侯孟凱 趙薇發言完畢好 謝謝接下來請李昆哲委員發言 |
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謝謝主席 請一下林國賢次長請林次長周永輝董事長 葉協榮局長請葉局長朝委長次長好 有關於高雄旅運中心以及整體高雄郵輪觀光發展的一個推動我們先從細節來談我們的高雄旅運中心有旅客來訪問相關的長者 |
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引髮族或是行動不便的朋友搭乘郵輪本來是郵輪最便宜他們的這樣的一個搭乘郵輪的觀光但是我們的旅運中心對於相關的行動不便的朋友或者是長輩在 |
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要搭乘游泳的時候竟然沒有專屬的這樣或者是優先的一個通道這造成很大的不便那當然我也清楚這都是由船公司他們來做一個主動的安排相關的這些通道的程序但是我們必須檢視這個流程對於相關的 |
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長者或行動不便的朋友他們搭乘郵輪沒有專屬跟優先的這樣的一個通道造成他們很大的一個不便而且也沒有專人的來做引導更別說我們對於相關的人員服務人員的教育跟訓練也是不足這個部分請卓永輝董事長說明一下 |
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謝謝召委的這個質詢因為我們也內部也確實也檢討那基本上我們是雙軌制就是船一方面提出申請二方面我們在這個路側的部分其實也可以主動那原則上我們高雄旅運中心是很大的所以它的那個動線都沒有問題那我們也經過事後的一個檢討發現我們可以就是直接設包括老幼 |
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都可以優先那我想這個部分的話我們是沒有問題必須要做積極的改善那我們對於高雄郵輪觀光發展的推動其實我是非常不滿意在2025年的時候當然我也提出爭取的高雄港相關的國際郵輪的一些獎勵的方案包括一層多港的郵輪它碼頭的定泊會全美或者是高雄港作為郵輪母港 |
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我們相關的旅客服務會也是全美的一個優惠甚至是全年度達到一個目標的航次高雄港是五航次它的旅客服務會五折但是我們看2023到2025高雄郵輪的這種旅運的人次受到疫情的衝擊在疫情之後雖然逐漸的恢復但是進度緩慢遠遠不及基隆港 |
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那相關的我們再來看2026的郵輪預報甚至我們比2025年的預報總燒次還少了20燒次那次長還有董事長或者是這樣的一個優惠方案我認為是明年度應該要增加來先請董事長說明一下 |
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跟委員報告一下優惠措施是很重要啦那其實還有兩件事很重要優惠的部分跟委員直接報告就是說我們會滾動式檢討那原來的優惠還是會會不會增加 除了為此之外會不會增加有沒有其他的優惠方案我們正好也提了一個五年計畫116到120的五年計畫那我想這個部分我們再做一些檢討那最重要的其實還是 |
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怎麼樣後面的這個郵程的這個連結這個部分才是非常重要那我們希望能夠把跟港市做更多的連結跟商圈做更大的連結我提醒一下周董事長不只是要維持目前的方案而且要提高它的優惠來增加其他的優惠的方案讓整個高雄的郵輪的旅客人士能夠明顯的增加高雄港當然有它的優勢高雄港 |
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我們的國際空港或者是國際郵輪港的雙門戶的這樣的一個優勢當然它鄰近高雄的小港機場它轉成便利周邊的觀光資源也非常的豐富其實具備發展Five Cruise這樣的一個條件在業者方面我也看到相關的高雄港出發的郵輪母港的這些航程 |
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郵輪公司跟旅行社也積極推動這種外戰市場的這種銷售來吸引這種Fight Cruise的旅客不管是從菲律賓 越南或者是新加坡來台來搭船那這個未來要持續的推動Fight Cruise這樣的一個郵輪市場那我們目前相關的這些規劃的情形 |
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爸 你請簡單說明一下是 針對Flight Cruise部分我們也針對這個再優惠除了剛剛委員關心的優惠措施之外如果是Flight Cruise的話我們還甚至全船的旅客再減免每個旅客再減少這個服務費100個元 |
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那麼我們覺得其實除了委員剛剛提的幾個市場之外我們也發現德國市場的Flight Cruise是有成長的趨勢那我們覺得歐洲線這個部分我們覺得也是可以開源的一個重要的來源董事長我有幾個具體的要求我們高雄港是郵輪重鎮的 |
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具體的目標其實一開始台灣在推動郵輪的這樣的一個亞洲郵輪市場的發展我們就期待交通部能夠把高雄港建立成亞洲的邁阿密但這樣一個目標其實還是距離非常的遙遠那我有幾個具體要求我們要具體的優化 持續的優化相關的旅運場站的這些設施 |
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而且2025年的這一些我所提出的優惠方案要持續 而且還要精進各種優惠的方案來增加推動飛航的這種郵輪來促進高雄的郵輪的一個發展 |
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另外也必須要串聯地方的產業積極的覽客來吸引這些郵輪的旅客到各個景點商圈來旅遊另外我們要舉辦國際的大型的郵輪的論壇其實當初第一個舉辦郵輪論壇就是我爭取在高雄來舉辦所以很多年了 十多年了 |
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那这些我们也希望能够港公司出去招商或是请各邮轮公司到高雄来采线来强化我们的这样的一个旅游的目标另外我们对于邮轮到港的服务品质也必须要具体提升来 董事长让你说明一下 |
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那也跟委員報告大概委員提點這部分我們都是在整合在推但是我們希望能夠把高雄國際遊輪的品牌打出來所以我們現在在那個遊輪大樓的三樓會變成一個國際遊輪國際會議廳然後我們也會搭配我們四樓跟五樓的部分有一個探索館 |
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讓郵輪的這個品牌能夠像濟州郵輪論壇一樣能夠每年都會在我們的高雄這個旅運大樓來舉辦國際的郵輪然後變成一個重要的一個品牌之後那個郵輪就會慢慢的一波一波上來好 謝謝周董事長你也是從觀光署 |
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擔任署長過其實你之前在我們高雄是我們高雄火車站的站長也擔任觀光署的一個署長其實對於推動郵輪觀光當然港澳公司有它具體的相關的業務但是郵輪觀光也是你一個重要的認為雖然你新到任但是我們期待你能夠在短程就能提出具體的一個提升的目標跟政策我們希望能夠看到具體的一個成績 |
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謝謝現在請蔡啟昌委員來發言謝謝主席請林次長次長航港局葉局長葉局長然後民用航空局的何局長何局長周董事長周董事長委員長好大家一起上來好了免得等一下節省時間 |
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今天我們就首先先來持續關心這個清泉崗國際台中國際機場的這個航線的問題那個局長我想你知道嗎我每次看到你都在討論台中到底接下來可以再增加哪些航線航點那局長明年這個明年 |
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過去我們一直在談 關西好不容易我們爭取到了星宇飛的神戶那關東的部分 東京本席一直在期待也一直在要求 也一直在爭取那何局長 明年你覺得東京怎麼樣 |
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跟委員報告謝謝委員關心那我想台中有關東京的部分明年初的話是會先有一個宮古島然後明年的夏季班表的話我們會讓他盡量是不是就朝向這個東京的部分好 所以星宇飛機沒有問題 |
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因為我也知道我也跟星雲航空拜託過他們也覺得運量沒有問題但現在是日防對於相關落地的作業他們人力不足啦等等其他的因素這個民防局可以協助來溝通嘛 |
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这个部分我们在都一直会透过持续管道业者有去申请的部分我们会透过我们的管道再跟日方来表达这个我想一定要民航局来协助业者本席沟通他们很有意愿非东京的部分他们很有意愿 |
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那所以時間點不可能在不可能在這個3月之前不可能吧夏季班表不可能在3月之前不可能 跟委員報告因為我們國際線都分冬季班表跟夏季班表那冬季班表就是10月份到明年的3月沒有錯沒有錯夏季班表就3月以後如果可行更好啦因為 |
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三月的這個棒球經典賽這個在東京舉行所以更多的鄉親遊客都很希望有便捷的這個航空運輸可以來搭乘不過我也知道這個接下來我們就要靠夏季班表啦所以一定過了經典賽的時間本席看了一下這個新宇航空在台中各個航站的各個這個航線的載客率 |
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我看一下澳門80 神戶88 沖繩89然後富國島82 高松74這個最糟糕也有74所以可見台中這個需求量很高所以我還是覺得說有時候不是民意代表大家不斷地去爭取一些讓航空公司會虧錢 |
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我覺得邏輯不應該是這個樣子在民航局思考或者航空公司思考這些航線的時候應該要考量它實際的這個市場的這個需求像台中幾乎你看這個除了高中那四國是相對比較日本是鄉下一點那你看主要以神戶來講都接近九成都接近九成的這個這個載客率所以這個對 |
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對整體的運輸來講 運量來講它需求存在嘛所以本席會一直期待為什麼台中因為你明明有市場但不要因為這個政策或者其他的問題去耽擱了嘛那本席 那個市長那個過去我們這個在疫情前這個華信航空 |
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在台中很多過去本席還為了讓華信航空留在台中作為它的母基地我們還做了很多的努力包括興建很多硬體的設施但是疫情後華信航空因為飛機數量不足所以就明顯的幾乎可以說退出了台中的市場讓我們大家都覺得很可惜 |
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那我知道明年這個華航要交付兩台噴射客機給華信所以明年華信又有兩台新的噴射客機那可不可以本席爭取至少一台可以從台中來飛其他的新的這個新增的新的這個航線可以嗎 |
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华信前一阵子因为飞机数比较不够您了解那华昂也确实答应有两架应该是320等级的飞机会来提供给华信来服务所以我们会请华信来评估它目前的运能状况来安排 |
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市場是一定有啦就我從數據嘛這個是今年一到十月的數據從數據來看台中的需求明明就存在但是我希望說像華信這種都是國家交通部在裡面有相當的主導的權利那有市場但不要在政策不要去干預啦 |
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希望政策應該不是不要干預政策應該是要支持這明明台中就有市場為什麼不把華信航空讓他去飛台中華信可以賺錢台中中部地區的旅客可以得到這個便捷的交通但是大家都贏嘛 |
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所以我知道高雄最近增很多但是台中的市場明明就有需求存在所以本席強烈主張跟建議新的華信航空應該有一輛應該至少回復疫情前就算兩樣都給台中都還回復不了疫情前 |
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那本席認為最少應該有一輛要留在台中有一台飛機要留在台中去做這個運輸的工作好不好你們趕快請這個華信跟華航做一個妥善的評估啦因為台中真的我們很需要啦很需要所以拜託一下那另外這個我想請問這個董事長本席上一次在質詢台上有問過我們這個 |
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這個海線地區的鄉親對於大型量販店的這個需求其實盼望殷切那上一次你們也告訴本席說有大型量販店正在評估而且有相當的興趣 |
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那我看最近台中市政府又宣布大型量販店要捨棄台中港要放在那個大家會覺得會癱瘓台灣大道的那個東海大學對面的那個台中經濟的舊廠子那本席不知道這兩個的你們市政府講的跟 |
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港務公司本席爭取你們回答我的是不是同一家大型量反正大型量很多嘛我不知道是不是同一家市政府公布的是好事多嘛那你們上一次回答本席說有本席爭取的你們已經有一個眉目了那是不是同一家 |
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跟委員報告因為市府那個部分我們沒有跟他特別去確認但是確實我們承諾委員的部分也確實是這一家是其中之一也是好事多是之一還是因為我們是要招商引客 |
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我上任之後也特別寫了信給總部的CEO希望能夠他們能夠看重台灣然後看重我們台中港然後我們這邊其實未來的捷運站跟我們的山景奧類可以做一些串接是特別特別有表達所以董事長我的意思就是說這個是定案了嗎以好事多因為大型量亂很多以好事多而言好事多是已經決定 |
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不要在台中港要在東海大學對面那個台灣大道沒有沒有沒有也沒有這樣目前沒有所以我們還是台中港還是有機會是是那董事長本席要再一次拜託這個你一定要積極去爭取是條件以台中市你看這個市民的反應而言條件台中港絕對比台灣大道那裡好 |
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不是那個地方不好那個地方剛好在山坡半山腰但是它在台灣大道的旁邊台灣大道已經是台中人的噩夢了因為塞車的狀況很嚴重所以你又把它大型廟室又設在那裡這個本席認為並不是太妥當的地點所以台中港路大條都可以來做好不好非常有潛力的 謝謝再麻煩你一下最後一個其實很重要但因為時間已經到了但本席還是提一下 |
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這個 來 我們看一下 這個這個是在社群平台上面發生的飛機上面 行動電源我已經問過很多次了行動電源爆炸燃燒在飛機上面空服員要拿水去澆鋰電池然後呢 幸好市主機警阻止空服員市長跟局長鋰電池爆炸燒起來了應該要怎麼滅火 |
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包圍這個航空業對這個很敏感基本上鋰電池或充電電池要用要泡在水桶裡面或者是用防火毯包住以後再放在固定的箱子裡面才可以不能用水去攪也滅不掉所以這個我們有要求航空公司要特別注意也要準 |
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所以市長你的意思是說當飛機上面鋰電池燒起來了這時候旅客不應該拿水先給它滅不應該不是正確的處理方式那你覺得正確要怎麼處理應該拿防火毯或是相關的避免被燒傷的東西然後準備一個水桶泡到水桶裡面去這是最基本的所以我們的所有交通部的載具裡面高鐵 台鐵 |
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所有的飛機上面都有水桶嗎包委員我們目前都有要求至少要備防火毯那水桶的話飛機上是有的我看了一下你們這個國際冥想組織你們把它翻譯成中文你們這個國際冥想組織說飛機上行動電源的滅火關鍵是水是水啦 |
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但是是要整個泡進去對 所以也沒有防火毯所以到底是要怎麼滅這個行動因為現在行動電源太多了大家隨身攜帶都是帶行動電源那再來它燒起來之後你是要用手去拿還是要準備防火的手套然後把行動電源放到水裡面這個我的意思就是說為什麼這個問題很嚴重但時間因為到了這個邏輯上你們應該第一個 |
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滅火的姿勢是什麼就是到底水澆可不可以因為我看了一下相關的報導有一派是說先用大量的水去澆然後接著用防火的手套去把它拿起來丟到水桶裡面去這個是我現在看到國際上有一些報告它的程序是這個樣子 |
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那現在呢就他們不覺得防火毯是有效的然後第二個他不覺得說他不會覺得說用水澆是不對的他是認為說水澆再撿起來丟到水桶他需要用大量的水來冷卻因為他不是靠氧他是化學反應沒錯所以基本上是降溫泡在裡面第一個時間水燒起來的時候我現在還沒有水桶什麼都沒有我先用水澆可不可以 |
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我請局長說明一下來 局長說一下跟委員報告其實這一些空服組員都有授訓就是說他們會有一個授訓的機制基本上立刻發生的時候他會戴防火手套如果可以是直接他的水桶他會把飛機上所有可能的水咖啡不能是酒所有的水放在一個不會有人倒酒 對 |
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鋼筒裡面然後那個防火手套直接把鋰電池直接丟到水裡面去讓它完全降水局長我的意思是說我們先分幾個層次第一個你的SOP要讓所有的人知道這個就跟打炸宣導是一樣的因為就過去我們在做消防宣導也是告訴他要怎麼滅火有滅火器要怎麼弄還要消防演練那但是鋰電池現在是大家就行動電源是大家現在隨身攜帶的 |
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那我們怎麼滅行動電源我的意思是說透過社群平台來看大家說法並不一致啦有的人說水澆可以有的人說水不可以澆要直接丟到水桶裡面因為降溫有的人他意思是說我先水澆嘛讓它降溫然後我接著丟到水桶裡面那到底水澆可不可以我的意思是說這個就是SOP嘛你不把這個事情處理好你怎麼大家怎麼會知道 |
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說法大家都不一樣嘛第二個層次就是那你們準備好了沒有我們所有的交通運輸的載具上面是不是都已經有了水桶譬如說好台鐵公司有水桶嗎他們的火車上面有水桶嗎有防火手套嗎或者有夾子嗎因為你那個電源在燃燒你怎麼用甚至用手去有的還不知道怎麼去拿咧要不要用夾子所以我的意思是要問你說台鐵上面高鐵上面都已經準備好這些東西了嗎 |
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包委我想我們重新再把SOP定清楚再要求一次昨天我已經要求淘機那邊他們有一個手提式的這個有點類似AED就是裡面有防火毯有必要的夾子跟相關的SOP我想我們來強化一下有必要每個航站跟車次市長這個常常會發生本席會希望說是不是你三個月內把SOP弄好 |
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然後把設備做一定程度的採購然後接下來你的消防你的滅火演練要馬上開始著手進行然後同時宣導告訴所有的旅客如果發生了這些行動電源著火爆炸他要怎麼處理是 謝謝委員應該的謝謝蔡其昌委員發言完畢現在請林國成委員發言 |
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好 謝謝趙偉請我們交通部林次長 請次長還有我們觀光署陳署長 請陳署長香港局葉局長也上來 請葉局長還有港務公司的周董事長委員長陳署長好沒有關係沒有關係叫他慢慢來 |
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好 次長還有我們董事長還有我們局長我在看今天我們主席對時間的控制非常嚴謹所以我希望本席在執行的過程當中我希望我們就針對問題來回答問題不要拐彎抹角那一點意思都沒有好 首先 |
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我要談的也是早上我們洪孟楷早尾已經談過力興遊人 臨時改變航行這個部分到底你們現在的監督機制到底是什麼來 請說明 來 次長 |
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包委員 我們要求郵輪進來台灣要做好航程的預告跟消費者的保護是啦 那現在他已經有預告嘛一開始我現在接到一個陳情就很簡單嘛他本來他本來就是要去菲律賓跟越南的航線嘛那臨時20幾天以前就變更到沖繩嘛那問題沖繩他已經去過五六次了 |
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那我本來是喜歡立新郵輪我喜歡去菲律賓喜歡到越南的航線也就是我們今年11月份剛到菲律賓跟這個越南的航線你怎麼臨時又更改要到沖繩去呢所以他現在很納悶把它規劃好了結果你臨時又通知我就這個部分 |
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市長還有我們觀光署還有包括我們航港局跟那個周董事長這裡你們到底有沒有了解有沒有了解我也知道你們一直在促進這整個郵輪跟遊艇的發展可是怎麼會變成這樣呢市長這件事你了解嗎報告委員有掌握有掌握好那現在如何去善後 |
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我是不是先請觀光署來跟我們報告一下委員好立行郵輪已經有提出那個補償方案他現在有三個方案一個是你不要跟我講這些補償方案都有啦他也可以退票啦問題是這樣我規劃好我要到菲律賓你臨時跟我更改這個補償這個制度都有可以不可以這樣 |
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可以不可以這樣我們之後的那個定型化契約其實會納入規定裡面那應該是不是啦這跟你們監督有關嘛你跟人家契約形成你最起碼的話你要更改是要經得人家同意嘛那現在我剛才已經講過我已經Okinawa已經去過五次了你還要再叫我去那裡那這個部分我要拜託 |
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針對這個問題發展立新郵輪是OK的但是在監督的部分你們要約法三章啊不能因為我們要刺激這整個港口整個立新郵輪的這些輪船的發展可是你最起碼你不能去欺騙啊什麼航線就什麼航線怎麼會臨時更改我要的是你們監督機制事情已經發生當然它合約裡面 |
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裡面訂的很清楚是不可以抵抗二類天后他才可以去更改合約裡面從來沒有講說我可以隨時變更這個行程的問題所以我要的是你們監督機制事情已經發生了監督機制如何去處理 |
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跟委員報告立新郵輪的品牌還不錯他也會珍惜他的品牌不錯就是已經有一個錯啊然後第二個就是我們的建設技術剛剛市長也特別承諾了就是有三個月嘛三個月內的相關然後這是一個個案那我們是希望說這不是個案有一件就有兩件我們三個不管是觀光署或是是航港局或是我們港澳公司都有在協助啦那我想這件事情應該是好 這裡面又延伸一個問題啦 |
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這裡面高雄市政府啊又跟立新郵輪配合這個什麼這個共同行銷的問題也就是做高鐵什麼優惠住飯店什麼把它連結起來就變成什麼高雄市政府的好意也就是要推銷郵輪觀光嘛那這個部分那我不去啦 |
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雖然立新郵輪可以退會但是我到底在這裡住的飯店或訂的飯店或者我到底連接起來可以不可以退可以不可以這是可以的 那個請局長來說 |
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這個報告委員這個部分我們有洽立新郵輪公司了解他們已經承諾這個旅客的損失這個具體的損失他們都願意全額退款是啦 局長我跟你講 次長你要督促一下這個是有連貫性的 |
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也就是高雄市政府陳市長一個品牌他的好意是要郵輪觀光發展來做促銷但是他這裡違約以後我後面這些的行程這個你們還是要督促所以這個跟監督有關所以我要拜託這個部分你們已經答應三個月要把它解決但是一定的這個跟監督跟督促有關 |
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說實在不是發展發展就頑固旅客的這些權利基本上是不可以的 好不好好 接下來兩岸觀光的逆差這一點我坦白講這個可能陳署長這裡還是要注意但是接下來我們國家又成立一個什麼觀光國家隊我說實在的我不瞞各位說 |
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我在義式殿堂 我說實在我對於只要有國家隊我是非常沒有信心以前口罩國家隊也不行什麼力能國家隊再來詐騙國家隊可是越詐越騙所以我現在對於這些觀光國家隊說實在 |
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稀有其名說實在的我是沒有信心但是在這個部分我要拜託次長跟署長既然設了國家隊就跟別的國家隊不一樣所以你看兩岸觀光都逆差我們到大陸去450萬人 |
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大陸來這裡只有50萬人這種比對 這個逆差真的 我們要去當然這個是牽涉到跟政策有關可是最起碼的話既然成為賴總統要成為2030成為一個國家隊這個幾兆的觀光財說得容易 要做得困難所以這一點我要特別提醒 |
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我們林次長還有特別提醒我們陳署長這個部分開會我們就要把它講清楚結構不改變觀光怎麼會破照啊所以不要只有稀有其表這個沒有什麼意義所以我要拜託林次長 |
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在這個觀光的部分既然要成立一個國家隊我們也支持啊我們也贊成啊但是千萬不要龍頭蛇尾也要有什麼也要有一個規劃不是只有畫餅充雞似的這樣老百姓最後 |
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還是會看破政治是 跟委員報告那個我們在行政院裡面是有成立觀光發展諮詢委員會那這個跨部會跟專家學者都在裡面所以國家隊的精神應該是藉由跨平台來整合國內的各個部會的資源好啦 希望這樣知道是這樣子來處理我跟你講我剛才已經以重心長講過是 謝謝委員成立國家隊是一個利益良善但是每一次國家隊都失敗的 |
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這個特別賴總統既然要成立國家隊我們這次做一個比較有成就比較複合邏輯的這些國家隊所以觀光是一個立國觀光要破照不是那麼簡單但是不要稀有其表的用嘴巴講一講這個部分我要拜託我們交通部還有我們觀光署這個部分要去把它落實好不好好 謝謝 |
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謝謝林國成委員發言完畢現在請林俊憲委員發言感謝主席本席邀請我們交通部林次長請次長還有我們港務公司葉局長 |
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周董事長周董事長委員早好 市長早市長我今天跟你談一下我們發展觀光就今天的一個主題我們提到了郵輪的問題 |
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像我們台南大概這個月開通了兩條的國際航線要不然疫情以後台南機場就完全沒有定期的國際航班那郵輪也是我記得我在這個地方一直請交通部像公關署還有我們的港務公司要協助 |
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這個郵輪能夠也來到台南台南也是非常好玩的地方大家一起來推動為什麼呢因為現在這個郵輪的旅行看起來是未來越來越多人的一個選擇我剛才那個根據國際的那個報導在2024年全球的遠洋郵輪的載客量在去年就創下新高有3400多萬人 |
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還要再增加去年3400萬但是到2028年估計要到4200萬那這其中亞洲是一個很重要的市場那去年的估算2024年亞洲有200超過260萬名亞洲客上了郵輪去旅行年成長率13%兩位數的成長就非常高 |
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那另外東亞的五大市場就是亞洲其實主要就是五個最大的市場那台灣現在是被認為非常有未來性你看亞洲第五大市場是我們台灣 |
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搭乘郵輪的人數將近20萬人次年增率將近45%這個是非常有未來性的但我也曾提過很可惜台灣的這種國際郵輪幾乎都是集中在基隆 高雄當然他們有先天的優勢但是你就於好玩來講的話還有很多的地方 |
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但是郵輪要來停靠它當然有一些先天的限制例如你的碼頭還有你的周邊就是說接駁等等的相關配套這一點我們希望中央跟地方能夠進一步的合作在2023年跟2024年國際郵輪停靠台南安平港都是掛零 |
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都是零到今年9月總算有來了一艘叫奧德賽奧德賽的郵輪明年還要再來根據我拿到的資料港務公司說明年安平港會有兩艘郵輪等於四個艘次它會停靠跟離開預計會帶來 |
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2300個旅客 這個當然佔台灣所有的旅客人次幾乎是千分之二 非常非常少台灣一年有113萬 我給你個數字83萬的停靠的旅客人次 來台南只有2300個 |
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所以希望能夠大家一起來推動安平港現在港務公司在周遭也有一些相關的建設我們也期待這個地方能夠未來成為台南一個新的觀光亮點這點師傅也請說明一下 |
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謝謝委員其實部長也去了好幾次確實我們在去年的時候就特別希望今年能夠有所以是從菲律賓上來這一次看起來我們安平港的特色應該是以探索郵輪跟精緻郵輪為主要的影客的對象 |
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那現在就是相關的設施都出來以後就差最後一裏就是Access就是它的連外的部分因為我們台南確實有非常重要的景點跟美食所以這個部分是這邊的強項那我們也會不斷地來跟外商去做接洽然後希望能夠到台南來 |
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根據資料 明年一月一月二十一號有一艘海洋富士號會停到安平港 |
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明年的6月17號有一艘奧德賽郵輪也會來停到安平港根據我們港務公司的分析郵輪的旅客下船以後多半選擇都是就近在安平旅遊 觀光因為港口就在安平只有少部分的旅客他們會到市區甚至也有更少數的他們跑得比較遠跑到嘉義 跑到高雄 |
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那這個也說明 郵輪公司是否停靠還有一個重要因素就是你旅客下船以後 離開了船有沒有東西可以看那交通方不方便是 我們也跟委員報告一下就是故宮南院的部分其實有些真的還有點興趣所以我們也希望能夠把服務半徑能夠拉長一點那這個東西的配套我們也跟相關的單位在做接洽 |
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這個就是說我們下船以後可能就需要一些接駁你不可能全部只靠旅客自己去找Uber去搭計程車另外對遊輪公司來講如果他旅客下船以後交通不便利你沒有做配套的安排他通常不太願意選擇停靠 |
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所以這一點的話就可能必須郵輪公司讓我們港公司的協助或是跟其他地方政府大家一定要先把這個交通的便利性先給解決 協助解決好 次長謝偉 確實誠如您所提到的郵輪靠港以後的除了就近以外它應該有幾條航 這個叫旅程對而且事先應該就跟市府相關單位規劃好以後讓這個郵輪以靠岸就可以選擇 |
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所以不是當場讓他們各自去挑才對所以這個我們應該要這樣來做另外就是現在港務公司在港區就旅客下船港區現在也有大量的一些投資建設水岸複合觀光遊記區 |
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那這個地方的進度如何目前跟上一次會刊的按照委員的指示我們有幾個部分現在加強就是包括的那個道路的擴建然後影客的部分這個部分我們持續相關的那個停車場的部分也都建置完了然後剩下是遊客中心的影客跟委員報告一下那相關的這個確實商業的服務設施比較不足那我們現在再加強南側的部分 |
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另外就是北觀光南自貿那現在這邊的港區的北邊就是靠健康路市區這邊你現在五月水安複合觀光遊記區這個目前的進度我看你寫的是明年就要開始分期動工了 |
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對 東風的部分是這投資了不少投資好像有將近200億對 現在就你的報告裡面你寫到是將近200億有安平新篆的綜合度假城有商場有什麼海洋生態學院什麼廣場 休憩中心 度假飯店商務中心都有對 然後我們也希望能夠加強產學的合作 |
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我給你看一下 這個地方其實風景很漂亮啊 市長 岸邊這塑料很漂亮你如果能夠增加更多的 市長也是台南人對啦 這就是我們台南的啦你如果回到台南的時候 那個附近走一走 等你這裡又蓋起來我相信喔 對於吸引遊輪來靠港 |
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這個絕對是更加的有魅力跟委員報告相關的服務設施之後我也希望跟航港局做一些合作跟國防署做合作那個跳島旅遊的部分因為高雄港跟安眠港確實很近那海上的旅遊台灣如果天候不錯其實是一個發展的潛力那我們一起來推動好不好讓中央跟地方能夠進一步的緊密來合作好 謝謝市長 |
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林郡县委员发言完毕在这边先做个宣告徐乌魁委员发言完毕之后我们休息十分钟然后休息之后我们会处理临时提案请邱若华委员发言完毕之后我们来处理临时提案好现在请徐乌魁委员发言徐乌魁委员发言完毕之后休息十分钟 |
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謝謝主席 有請我們林次長 觀光署陳署長請陳署長觀光署學員早 |
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早安好我想次長署長這個我們今天的討論主題是觀光那我想過去這個屏東原本過去就是一個觀光的一個大縣那包含我們的恆春半島我們的這個圓明客家還有我們這個小琉球我想都是許多國內外遊客的一個最愛 |
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那我昨天也特別到小琉球區發現了很多的國外這個背包客到小琉球區觀光消費那但是因為我們也發現到這個觀光的議題裡面有一個很重要的課題就是這個高房價的一個殺傷力然後那針對這個國外 |
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還有我們很多的這個國內的一些鄉親都反映說我們的高房價確實是這個跟國外沒有競爭力那針對這個部分我們的統計看得出來今年的一到九月旅館業的平均價格有2954元那觀光署一直對外說這是一個市場機制 |
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那針對這部分我想這個許多遊客光是這樣的一個旅遊成本我想就會造成他們對於國旅的一個市場的一個接受度我想會明顯的降低那針對這部分這個市長跟署長有沒有什麼樣的看法 |
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跟委員報告在旅館的這個定位方面那個每個旅館他有自己選擇的課程那所以我們曾經請觀光署特別把一到九月的這個平均房價做一個統計 |
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它是偏左邊的高峰也就是說中位數平均值在2950元左右但是有78%的房價是低於這個數字所以我想要麻煩觀光署大概按計我們按計應該把全國平均以及各區域的平均價都要適時的公告第二個觀光署也把各地的平價旅宿 |
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放在網路上讓民眾可以來挑選所以我們應該要把這些訊息透明化讓旅客知道確實是如此因為我們有這個不一樣的價位的選擇那我們課程也不一樣的區隔應該是做這樣的一個處理那我想最近也出現一個新的名詞叫做一個輕旅行那根據觀光署的統計民眾偏好當日往返的一個輕旅行佔比高達七成五那平均旅遊的天數是1.39天 |
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遠低於疫情前的1.51天那在這個旅遊的一個支出上面有過夜且是住宿支出的部分金額大概是平均在5348塊那沒有過夜的部分當天來回是1306塊那我想如果大家都是找選擇這個輕旅行我想對觀光業的衝擊會很大那當然我們目前我知道交通部跟觀光署 |
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都有針對這樣的一個部分國旅的部分一直在努力幫我們這個很多的業者他們也很關心後續我們觀光署的一個作為那所以署長這邊我們未來是不是有可能重新建立一個國旅標章或一個品質的一個認證我想 |
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過去我們很多的三星的 五星的這個旅館我想很多人也會說這個CP值跟鑑別度這個沒辦法去區隔 蘇長這部分有沒有辦法做一個很比較一個準確的一個分級或是一個品質的一個建設嗎 這個蘇長請回答 |
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謝謝委員持續的關心這個議題就是說在星級旅館的評鑑我們本來持續就在進行那民宿的部分也有好客民宿跟精質精質好客民宿大概分這樣一個等級那所以這個部分像比如說像確實整個國內的這塊的旅行上面變成輕旅行嘛 |
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那我們也在因為去年113年度看到的整個研究報告所以我們才會提出明年度的雙輪驅動就是希望透過像我們去強化平日的住宿這件事情那我們大概現在目前編列預算大概是在23億左右希望說透過引導大家有點像是你請假我們幫你分擔住宿費 |
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那這個部分我們當然也是希望說各縣市也可以一起來加碼讓大家引導大家往平日的旅行再增加希望增加更多的商機的可能性對我想我之前也一直提到說這個像我們當然這個觀光署是我們交通的觀光的主管機關但是像我們屏東來講我們也有肯管署 |
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也有這個很多的中央的一個單位在那邊我想應該要怎麼樣跨部會來合作中央跟地方來合作甚至剛剛署長提的這個在這個住宿的一個優惠上面能夠有更多的一個誘因那不過因為這個我們最近也發現這個 |
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有一些負面的訊息 包含這個演唱會經濟這一塊那有一些不肖的旅宿業者他們刻意的烘台價格那造成很多這個年輕人這個要花很多錢來去看這個演唱會 住宿花很多錢那真的這部分我們是不是有一個中央結合地方的一個稽查的一個機制然後讓我們的這個鄉親有所一個遵循的一個標準 |
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有這個部分我們也會跟地方政府合作就是對於像這種不合理或者是因為他們的價格是會跟光屬來做報備的如果如果是違法的部分我們還是會去稽查的那我想另外一個問題就是說到底我們國外的這個朋友來到台灣蘇長台灣我們有沒有統計過這個外國人到台灣來最最喜歡的三個景點是哪些你們有統計過嗎 |
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對 上面有寫了這個夜市 台北101西門町跟這個中正紀念堂我想這個跟10年前的答案差不多一模一樣那就代表我們過去這10年我們台灣很多的這個特色景點是沒有被開發或是沒有被關注的那尤其像平常來講我們有很多很不一樣的景點都出現了觀光署怎麼去協助縣市政府打造這樣的一個觀光景點的一個亮點 |
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確實就是說我們比如說像我們有觀光一百亮點那這塊我們也是跟各地方政府一起合作那合作這個就是在捲弄國旅的部分同時我們也會再找旅行社一起來採線那包含像現在我自己這幾天看到一個數據比如說包含現在目前我們講說過去多數人都停留在北部 |
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但是我發現這個數據好像真的開始有往南部走了像我們從高雄小港機場進入的大概跟同期比較大概增加了23%那我看到來台旅客的大概都是亞洲的一部分開始增加多了所以表示短程旅行的人他可能是比較常來台灣那接下來台灣現在開始會往中南部走我覺得這是一個不錯的一個現象 |
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但是這個要往中南部走很大的一個因素就是交通這個次長最清楚就屏東來講高鐵還沒有來這個捷運也沒有到屏東尤其這個航空公司這個橫村的武里挺機場現在那個包機計畫也還在進行當中我想有很多的課題都必須要去努力那最後主席再給我一分鐘我請那個港務局業局長一下謝謝 |
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局長我昨天有去小琉球那我先請教一個問題你們現在推動這個東流線的實名制的做法目前是怎麼處理更委員報告實名制的部分就是現在由這個客船業者在登船前來做檢查那另外針對散客跟團客的部分那我們也有相關比較便捷的做法那能夠提早做查核做這個這個身份的一個查驗 |
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5874.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
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我知道过去你们是验身份证现在是听说改成健保卡但健保法的处理上面我觉得对业者来讲他们第一个会碰到有些客人他说你没有这样的公权力为什么要稽查我的身份碰到这个问题的时候香港局要怎么去协助这个业者做这个事情 |
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各位你們幫忙因為我們是修正客船管理規則所以是都有充分的法據那如果有這樣的問題我們會跟業者來說明讓跟旅客來做溝通我想這個執行這個利益良善我們也希望能去防堵一些這個犯罪的一些問題但是在執行面確實還有很多問題存在這個我會找時間再請你們來討論一下是是是好謝謝謝謝好徐屋奎委員發言完畢現在休息十分鐘 |
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| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
響鐘 |
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| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
5957.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
謝謝大家。 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
剪刀石頭 |
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| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
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明天不能過餐,明天就好好吃飯。那你要快擋久喔?我那天看你們是在日本嗎?所以我到那邊很久就剛出來了。 |
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謝謝大家 |
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| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
6058.294 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
6099.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
對 |
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| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
6128.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
響鐘 |
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| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
6156.129 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
嗯嗯嗯 |
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| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
謝謝大家。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
那譬如說用黃金的黃金銀行的銀行贊助的銀行銀行銀行銀行銀行銀行銀行銀行銀行銀行銀行銀行銀行 |
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| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
謝謝大家 |
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| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
6254.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
中美兩岸聯盟 |
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| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
6274.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
響鐘 |
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6274.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
6290.503 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
響鐘 |
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6294.546 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
6294.766 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
謝謝大家 |
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| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
人是我們托上了求百萬的人因為在我們上面是有很多人說基本上他的種族 |
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| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
那有用戴方式的嗎?那有用戴方式的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
6381.561 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
響鐘 |
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| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
6392.544 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
謝謝大家。 |
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那我就再站在上面 |
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| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
謝謝大家 |
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| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
6465.683 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
謝謝大家 |
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| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
6490.876 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
6511.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
請坐 |
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| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
6563.737 |
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好 繼續開會 現在請何欣蟲委員發言謝謝主席李昆哲召委我們是不是請次長請次長還有請民航局局長請何舒平局長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
市長好 早早 局長早那我想第一個當然身為台中的立委最關心的還是台中的雙港那尤其是空港剛剛我也非常感謝蔡其昌委員也共同的在 |
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要求讓台中的國際機場可以更多的航線那現在有17條航線10條包機對不對那我剛好聽到次長跟局長回答蔡理事長委員提到日本日本即將有可能的航線從台中出發對不對局長你可不可以再說一次 |
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謝謝委員確實明年就是像委員上面所提示的明年的二月會有日本的宮古島那這是在冬季頒表那剛剛有提到的就是說明年的夏季頒表就是在三月底四月以後 |
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現在就是說可能也會有沉田那主要就是涉及到日本方的一些地形作業所以你有答應蔡委員也要答應我們全力的來協調協助讓台中除了日本的宮古島這一條已經既定的這個航線確定那未來呢在明年的夏季班表裡面台中飛日本 |
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東京 成田機場的這條航線也能夠確認這個很重要那其中還有兩條我聽到的國際航線不知道有沒有確認一個是台中飛泰國清邁一個是台中飛越南大理有確定嗎 |
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跟委員報告也要謝謝委員支持所以有關這一些提到的這個大粒或者是青麥它是包機型態包機型態會在這個農曆這個農曆的年假的前後大概包機的期限是維持多久的期間它大概是2月14號到22號 |
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的過年的就過年期間的包機的航線那未來有沒有可能是變成既定的航線這個部分我們會請航空公司來評估看他包機的情形如果可以持續那讓他包機培養之後來看看有沒有變為定期航線是我希望民航局可以 |
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交通部民航局可以盡力的來促成那除了呢新宇航空以台中為基地那現在呢又有華信航空看到是華航即將交付兩架飛機客機給華信那表示未來華信的營運的能量會增加那也許就如同蔡其昌委員所講的那是不是請交通部民航局這邊可以協助不管是華航跟華信 |
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積極的溝通協調讓華信的這個新的科技的營運也能夠有落腳台中增加航線的可能跟我們希望能夠成真那個要實際執行然後讓中部的鄉親能夠有更多的國際航線不管是飛出去或者是讓更多的國際旅客可以飛進來台中這個是很重要一件事情尤其我現在是沒有把那個運量 |
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這個表拿出來因為剛剛我看到蔡啟昌委員有拿出來那事實上民航局手上也都有這樣的資料中部呢確實是有這樣的市場存在也有這樣子的一個運量那所以我也希望說交通部民航局在這一方面可以多積極的來協助台中清泉崗國際機場開闢更多的國際航線好不好 次郎 |
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我想也要謝謝委員一直以來的支持那剛剛有提到的運量那我就跟委員報告一下就是說我們今年1到11月台中的運量是國際航線是153萬那這個已經超越去年的全年的140這個應該是108年的141萬 |
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就是有增加 有成長增加大概118%比去108年整個航班也到達了每週121班整個比疫情前是增加到109%所以整個運量會增加已經有超越所以說這個部分有關航電剛剛有提到華信的部分有兩架新機我們也會來積極溝通協調 |
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好 再拜託次長跟局長我們拜託交通部要積極的協助台中的清泉崗國際機場那爭取更多的國際航線那雖然局長剛剛跟我說台中的國際機場這個運量有成長但是如果跟其他的這個城市或者其他的機場比較起來我們的成長還是有空間的所以我要拜託局長跟交通部這一邊能夠積極的我們希望在 |
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可見的明年度運量可以大幅的成長這個就需要大家一起努力好不好那要成長當然除了中央的努力也需要地方那我接下來要看我剛剛說有雙港除了台中這個空港再來就是海港那過去我也謝謝交通部還有港務公司很積極包括航港局積極在推動這個郵輪的觀光 |
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不過我看到一個數字這個大家可能可以來進行討論就是疫後的郵輪觀光大爆發那今年度的旅客達到114.44萬人次創歷史新高但是我們再反過來看 |
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郵輪進來台灣的各個港口那國際來台的旅客12萬人次這是你們的統計數字今年1到9月而透過郵輪出國觀光的旅客就台灣人出國觀光旅客是78萬人次那意思是說這個整個的逆差達到66萬人次 |
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一言以蔽之台灣人出國觀光的多國際旅客透過郵輪進來台灣觀光的少那這一題要怎麼解市長還有我還是跟委員報告最新的數字現在已經是12月了所以1月到因為這是1月到9月所以我們第四季會有不同的變化而且大致上是國外客是40%然後國內客60%大概原則上 |
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然後我們的燒次就是船的幾次的燒次也增加我們從這個今年預估是414艘那明年我們再算的時候可以對不起是去年414艘我們今年可以達到568艘567艘所以原則上有幾個雙管齊下的方式 |
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好 董事長那雖然有500多艘今年你預估啦那問題是接著我就問你啦那我台中港進來我台中港的國際郵輪到底能不能破蛋啊那我們港務公司一直在跟我講很努力我也非常肯定大家很積極 |
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那起碼你們提供已經有承諾你們有承諾也提供給我一個表單說2026預計有8艘次的郵輪要停靠台中那即將到的是三井海洋郵輪1月22日那有確定嗎 |
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是 郵輪的都是會早一年跟一般的旅行不大一樣所以他們所以我現在只關心說明年的1月22號的這個三姐海洋郵輪目前都沒問題目前都沒問題是 確定確定 確定 好 |
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我聽說4月7號的這一艘島嶼天空會也會那甚至也已經預告2027會再來我希望的是我們台中港的這個國際郵輪靠港的這個不管是艘次或者是呢我們的帶進來的國外旅客還有可以給予我們中部地區搭郵輪出國旅遊的這每一個的人次我們希望都能夠成長 |
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市長跟董事長應該都點頭應該是OK嘛對不對好那中央有努力了接著不管是空港或是這個海港這個郵輪落地飛機落地再來就是要什麼擴大台中的景點行銷嘛上次有跟我說我們有安排這個郵輪公司來台中採線那採線團來了形成定案了嗎配套做好了嗎 |
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對 我們這部分是都已經持續按照原來原定的計畫在走然後我們也希望能夠擴大這個採線的部分讓他們去多看一下台中港隔壁的高美濕地所以我們都已經確認了 |
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這個聽你這樣子回答就是已經踩線了踩線了已經踩線了啦但是如何跟那個郵輪公司在討論這個定案的旅遊行程還有相關的交通配套這些可能還沒有還沒有決定啦 |
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7147.184 |
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對 沒錯但是它本來就是有分不同的規劃的方式時間到了你會後可不可以來跟我報告一下到底我們地方上的這些各個的行程如何配套還有交通如何配套市府也應該多幫忙 對 |
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像剛剛講的清泉崗國際機場我非常感謝陳士凱部長啊我們都說地方政府做得不好 林外交通還有大眾運輸系統做得不好那陳士凱部長馬上呢 由中央出手來協助有接駁的交通車輛嘛 從國際 |
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那個清泉港國際機場進入市區嘛那現在郵輪靠港了郵輪靠港了之後要跟郵輪公司跟地方政府還有我們中央三方要配合得好才能夠把這個地方的一個特色行程旅遊觀光的一個配套還有交通的配套都能夠做好 |
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是 謝謝委員 才能留下好的印象 兩個層次一個是彩線團 一個就是凝鋼鐵這四艘已經定案了我想港公司這邊就積極跟他們聯絡看看市府這邊有沒有需要哪些配套的我們主動跟郵輪公司 好不好再拜託好不好 會後我們再來進行討論好 跟我報告 謝謝好 謝謝何欣淳委員發言完畢現在請鄭天才委員發言 |
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7226.153 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
7238.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
主席有請交通部次長還有文化部的副市長請副市長 文化部副市長政務員好這個次長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
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7266.561 |
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這個今天其中一個議題是大眾運輸供給播音語言平等保障法的一個修正的草案這第六條這個特別提到這個有關大眾運輸供給使用語言的播音這個部分寫得很明確出國以外另英語 閩南語 客家語 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].start |
7267.501 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
7293.055 |
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波音其他原住民語言之波音這個還有相關馬祖地氣的當然這個大家對這個有不同的意見所以有這個提出的修正條文要把這個閩南語改為台灣台語然後這個原住民族語言加個台灣我們看這個 |
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7324.614 |
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江東部的報告也支持這樣的一個修正要跟這個次長還有文化部還有我們所有的各部會還有我們所有的委員原住民族語言發展法在106年6月14號公布施行當初我也提出這個草案我堅持原住民族語言為國家語言 |
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當初這個有不同的意見文化部跟這個研明會當初也不同意但是我堅持後來就通過了原住民組委員為國家委員接著國家委員發展法在108年1月9號也公布施行當時文化部的部長當時就是現在的行政院的副院長 |
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7353.584 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
7378.944 |
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所以為了避免產生很多的不同族群的疑慮所以這個條文 原來條文 早期的條文不是這樣草案原來不是這樣 後來改成這樣本法所稱國家語言 指臺灣各固有族群使用之自然語言及臺灣首語這個就是避免各族群的 |
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7380.465 |
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7402.584 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
對這個語言的用詞的分歧而產生這個族群的一些問題國家語言發展法裡面也提到國家語言一律平等文化部在這個國家語言發展法公佈之後特別有一個Q&A這裡面特別提到 |
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7404.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
7429.972 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
為以法令名列各固有族群之以言名稱 細為尊重各族群以言使用者慣常使用之命名前不以以法令規範各國家以言名稱不以法令 法令 今天我們就要談修法為什麼會有這樣的一個是因為 |
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7432.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
7460.983 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
譬如說法國大學一個黃東秋教授台灣使用的語言都叫台語這個羅兆錦教授他是台灣客家語言文學會的理事長 早期的理事長過去也是中央大學客家語言文研究所的所長過去他就覺得說這個台語改成閩南語是去台灣化 |
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我直接的感觸是閩南語 閩南話改成台語是棄客家化所以避免族群的他認為是棄客家化所以這個部分要記很審慎文化部不管客家人就在相關的這些第二屆國家語言發展會議的時候 |
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7491.071 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
7512.828 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
要把相關的這些考試名稱都把它改成台灣台語 抗議 客交人去抗議當然原住民也去抗議 當然這裡面都是客交人所以這個部分要很審慎 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
7515.083 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
7541.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
還要怎麼改 閩南這個閩南人不喜歡用閩南語 問詞要怎麼改當然是在法例名稱裡面不宜台語 台灣語言嘛 台灣語言的簡稱就是台語所以這個部分 次長你的意見如何 |
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7544.996 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
7560.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
報委員確實您的說明跟重點我們也理解這是委員的提案我建議在委員會裡面針對大家有共識的部分先來處理我們尊重討論這個文化部這個你回去跟這個 |
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7561.884 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
7583.869 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
部長來做報告因為今天你的報告應該也是經過部長所看過的所以還是要回去跟部長報告這個既然之前之前這個我們文化部既然已經跟 |
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7585.977 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
7606.763 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
這個所有的人民宣誓不宜以法令規範各國家以言名稱所以這個部分還是要不要說這個說了現在又不一樣了在這邊也請交通部還有當然我們所有的委員到時候在審查的時候我們再好好的討論以上謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
7609.339 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
7615.402 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
謝謝委員 謝謝鄭天才委員發言完畢現在請許智傑委員發言謝謝主席 我們先請觀光署長 請陳玉秀署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
7645.163 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
7655.869 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
我看這個表就是國際郵輪在2025那個時候基隆是436高雄是952026預報基隆是488高雄是75那將來全台灣的郵輪 |
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7669.344 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
7673.128 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
或者是高雄的郵輪倍增署長有沒有什麼概念 |
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7676.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
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委員這個因為這個主政是在港務公司我們跟他一起合作的是不是讓我們周董事長也可以來報告一下跟委員報告一下確實交通部的分工是在港務公司然後這個所以這個協助的部分協助的部分是對我們有分工那這邊我跟委員報告一下委員關心的部分 |
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我們在國際遊輪的部分我們大概母港就是基隆港跟高雄港那看起來就是它的所有的遊輪的市場的結構確實是往上走疫情之後的全球的遊輪的市場在亞太那亞太的重心在亞洲 |
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那我們在看就是台灣的目前的最重要的幾個港兩個母港之外那為了帶動很多地方的發展所以我們掛銬港的部分也在努力那跟委員報告一下這個數據是目前的統計是確實燒制是567燒那顯現我們的 |
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郵輪的這個大小開始做變化所以我們現在開始走向精緻郵輪跟探索郵輪為主人次的部分我們原則上我們希望能夠質量並重OK 那個董事長我們現在我講比較具體的是你看那個迪士尼冒險號 |
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他現在大概明年3月會登場時間3、4月不一定預計是3月他是以新加坡為母港這是一個很具體的 |
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指標有沒有可能高雄跟新加坡有機會接觸嗎那有機會變成以前我們有高雄香港雙模港那因為香港因為政治因素香港的沒落是很正常但是就是說有沒有可能新加坡高雄有雙模港的機會針對這個迪士尼冒險號這件事情我們是要跟 |
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觀光署充分合作因為觀光署他是做品牌行銷跟飲客那我們是做港跟船的連結我們之前我們也特別他在打造迪士尼號的時候冒險號的時候我們也確實除了特別當時的基隆分公司我們總經理也特別到了日本去然後當時是希望能夠以基隆為優先 |
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然後我如果委員覺得高雄也很重要我們是要整個看它的整個市場的動見我們去看了一下你看再看下一頁日本現在也啟動要建造迪士尼郵輪對這是兩件事但是事實上是同一個大老闆對不一樣所以你可以去思考就是東北亞跟東南亞的郵輪旅遊 |
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高雄如果要到東北亞基本上很多都會基隆再停一天啦所以對高雄人來講如果我要坐到日本的郵輪我要從高雄上岸然後到基隆再停一天我有可能就不如我就直接北上坐高鐵差一天我就從基隆上岸 |
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所以你以東北亞的旅遊來講郵輪旅遊可能高雄會拼不過基隆啦那也很正常那基隆也已經成型了嘛那你如果以東南亞的郵輪旅遊它就變成一個很值得開發的就像高雄到東北亞一定要經過基隆那基隆到東南亞如果也要經過高雄對他們來講 也划不來嘛 |
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所以應該是如果以郵輪的母港的設計就是東北亞針對基隆東南亞針對高雄所以我就不曉得就觀光署跟我們港澳公司在做這個規劃跟佈局的時候比較長遠的規劃應該是怎麼樣去發展那我有提一個就是五輪五年郵輪倍增計畫啦五年其實倍增是算小case而已啦 |
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但是你看我們看第一頁那個去年跟今年比如說倍增啦甚至都沒有增啦算沒有 算一樣嘛那你如果沒有一個設定一個目標的話搞不好十年還是這樣 |
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所以我是希望說港澳公司你看我們旅運大樓蓋得這麼漂亮那它的各項設施也比基隆港還好當然基隆港有基隆港的利多啦我剛講的你如果有分配分工分區的話就東北亞你去推動日本那東南亞來推動高雄我覺得這樣子的佈局是不是公關署跟港澳公司可以接受 |
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可以可以我覺得116到120的五年的計畫我們本來就在擬然後委員希望能夠能夠郵輪備增的部分我們把他納進來但是我們真的需要公安署的幫忙因為這個部分團客的部分還有很多優惠的措施是公安署這邊在搭配的當然然後港的部分的服務跟我們那個旅運大樓變成國際郵輪大樓這件事情還有搭配剛剛 |
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招委有垂詢我們希望能夠把這個國際郵輪的品牌包括的國際郵輪的這個國際會議廳還有我們的探索館能夠做串聯然後做這些參展主展那相信高雄港以現在這個我們講的五年計畫裡面郵輪倍增應該是是可期待所以我這邊跟董事長跟署長也報告一下 |
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五年之後也許我們都不在這個位置是是 但現在要做了但是五年之後交通部 觀光署跟感光公司都還在是是那我希望說我們現在定一個目標我們五年之後不管我們在哪個位置我們看到這一個成果 |
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是不是有出來那我們也希望委員給我們一點就是質量並重就是燒次跟人次要兩個來衡量才能夠最重要還是質量並重當然所以下一次我是希望聽到的就是說你五年倍增計畫打算怎麼做好不好因為我沒有看到你的打算我不知道未來 |
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我們會提個計畫然後跟觀光署一起合作我們會一起合作把資源投入所以下一次我們講到郵輪的時候我希望觀光署跟港貨公司都有一個真的計畫出來我要看看你們怎麼規劃嘛才知道未來的機會可不可行嘛 |
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你如果都沒有規劃只用說的 質量變重到五年以後也是質量變重結果也是沒改變沒問題 我們也在捏要有五個方向的發展五個方向去做努力包括海外的影客包括國際品牌的建立包括我們的優惠 還有 |
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國內的這個就是高雄港的這些商圈跟郵程搬日遊的部分做傳接那當然我們也希望能夠成立專責單位跟人才的培訓所以我們現在簡單啦就是說剛剛董事長講的這一些你就照你的計畫把它寫進去嘛 |
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那我希望五年之後不管我們在哪裡我們來看這個的確是倍增搞不好是三倍增那更好好不好用這個方向來努力我們跟光屬一起努力下一次就給我們計畫 希望委員給我們一些這個指導然後所需要的經費也麻煩委員能夠支持謝謝好ok好下一次要看到計畫好謝謝好謝謝許智傑委員發言完畢 |
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現在請邱若驊委員發言邱若驊委員發言完畢之後我們處理邱若驊委員等人的臨時提案謝謝主席主席有請港務公司周董事長請周董事長 |
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委員好董事長好同樣的和董事長討論計畫那今天委員會安排這個專題郵輪觀光還有遊艇觀光還有寄來社公路的辦理情形還有未來的規劃那本期也特別看了貴單位過去五年的合訂的幾份報告包括香港的整體發展規劃然後還有海洋觀光計畫 |
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那現在是114年底這兩份計劃一個即將在明年結案然後另外一個的執行的期程剛好過半那當初林佳龍部長他在109年業務報告中陳豪宇說要投入500億的500億元來打造藍色公屋 |
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藍色公路那本席對照計畫書的細項發現預算總數跟承諾有巨大的落差所以要就叫我們董事長根據港務公司所提出的商港整體發展規劃那這份計畫明年就要結案了那在報告中有提到客運發展的課題裡面有明確指出我們所面臨到港口與在地觀光 |
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資源連結不足的問題那旅客下船後往往都會缺乏深度的消費誘因那另外還有我們原本希望外籍的船舶它能夠帶來補給供應甚至未來可以甚至未來我們可以就是有維修的商機可是五年過去的現在依然是傳出我們只賺到微薄的碼頭費也就是停泊費那也沒有賺到相對比較高單價的在地補給然後還有產業的 |
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產業鏈的加值也就是說產業沒有跟上那董事長我直接問喔那這個商港整體發展規劃執行四年的現在基隆港還有高雄港的郵輪雙目港定位現在是合作大於競爭還是惡性搶客 |
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跟委員報告您垂行的部分大概分兩個部分第一個部分就在整體的那個五百億計畫的藍色公路部分這是韓港局在主政的所以等一下葉局長會跟您報告 |
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那麼我們搭配的整個商港計畫我們是五年計畫所以確實五年計畫的新五年計畫我們已經在延年了那原來現在執行最後一年的五年計畫我們也按照進度在執行所以這個部分也沒問題雙母港那有沒有具體的分工的機制 |
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然後委員關心的就是包括有幾個層次就是希望能夠在地的這個在地的補給的部分能夠帶動當地的產業結構的我們也算了一下大概以這個麗金郵輪的統計他大概三個月的在台灣的 |
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我們的母港已經建立了就是基隆港跟高雄港大概是三個月的話大概有1億的在地補給的這些相關的農產品或者日用品的金額如果是用郵輪的旅客的部分 |
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那全球的比例是每個人大概是平均是96塊美金那我們按照觀光署的統計是107塊那針對這個Fly Cruise它說有強調說要發展高附加價值那就是激進傳出嘛那今年年度的Fly Cruise的recur有沒有超過10% |
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所以我們新的五年計劃已經在演繹了 |
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藍色公路那個是就麻煩葉局長那不好意思再請問董事長那剛剛也有說到這個產業鏈其實它還沒有形成嘛所以我們不只是要把船拉進來那現在我們看到旅客下船他就只是買一個鳳梨酥就離開了那他這樣不會啦不會只買鳳梨酥沒有達到觀光的效益嘛那這個Flight Cruise我們要怎麼樣才能夠創造高產值呢 |
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是 疫情之後的Flight Cruise就是一趟飛機一趟輪船這個部分是尤其是歐洲的趨勢然後這個亞洲目前也開始這樣興盛但是我跟委員報告一下郵輪整個產業的部分它有四個部分 |
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一個是船舶一個是航運航線一個是港口那一個是郵程就是觀光署他們在負責那我們這個部分是負責港口所以這個港口的部分我們會幾個旅客我們叫旅運中心都已經慢慢建置完成了所以這個包括的蘇澳港也都是建置完成那後續就是一些招商的部分我們會加強 |
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OK好謝謝董事長另外請葉局長是跟委員報告有剛剛委員推詢的這個藍色公路十年計畫的這個經費差異的部分那這邊跟特別跟委員報告藍色公路十年發展計畫是109年當時提出那期程是到110到119年那當時預估的總經費是521 |
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那520億元有幾個主要的組成很快跟我們報告其中民間投資在香港的部分是307億特別預算22億 航港基金43億跟公務預算148億那其中民間投資307億裡面港澳公司這邊已經招商完成285億所以達成率已經達93% |
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特別預算我們是透過海洋觀光這個潛在特別預算來執行那現在也接近這個計畫完成的這個階段那基金預算43億的部分是透過布袋跟澎湖國內計畫來推動 |
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本席另外請就是請教局長那111年度我們核定了這個海洋觀光計畫那其中就建議航港局的遊艇通平台應該跟海委會的海域休息暫時的平台整合那避免資源重複的投入那現在過去四年那民眾也有申請也有反應說這個申請的流程相當的繁瑣必須要在兩個部會之間做切換你們有進行改善了嗎 |
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是各位報告這個部分剛才專案報告有提到那我們在112年的12月已經跟海委會的這個海域遊氣進出港的線上申請系統來做整合那現在已經完成單一的入口網叫台灣遊艇入口網那我們有四大的這個功能這包括遊艇的入出境 泊位的申請出海的報備跟遊艇旅遊資訊的提供那針對如果還有使用者 |
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局長沒關係所以您確定是確定是整合已經完成整合只是連結不是不是那這邊剛剛跟委員報告的四大功能裡面他可以擇一或是所有功能都使用所以應該是相當方便好謝謝局長說明那也再請主席再請我們的民航局局長 |
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主席 不好意思 再給我一分鐘局長 那這個禮拜一我們交通委員會才剛到桃園國際機場T3航廈進行考察那也謝謝我們李昆哲召委的安排那天部長還有局長還有我們幾位委員也都在現場那我們現場也看到其實硬體設施硬體的設備都已經到位了 |
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我們也很期待年底正式啟用那T3航廈的啟用等於是整個機場的營運能量將會大幅提升那針對民航局來我們第一線的能力來說壓力一定跟過去不一樣所以本席想要請問局長那我們能力是充足的嗎 |
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我想有關淘機的第三航廈完工北廊廳的部分那他是第一個階段那主要的運作是在這個淘機公司本身的相關一些人員的進駐然後另外如果說他還是原本的航班因為是北燈廊廳所以他的使用上他會根據T1 T2 T3去做一些處理 |
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是因為民航局你們負責就是運作監控還有異常通報也包括跨部會的溝通那更重要的是飛航的安全然後還有空車作業的安全那本來就是高度依賴專業的人力所以想要請問局長那屆時這個T3航廈的啟用民航局的人力是足夠的嗎 |
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基本上我們現在的相關人力因為民航局有關安全監理的人力除了淘機以外還有其他所有的機場那這個部分我們人力也是一直在積極盤整那也有跟這個相關的人事行政部門再提出來是 局長因為時間的關係請再提供詳細的資料OK 好 謝謝好 謝謝邱若驊委員發言完畢我們現在處理臨時提案請議事人員宣讀 |
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臨時提案一 目前香港局須訂有郵輪船票服務定型化契約應記載及不得記載事項草案送行贈願消費者保護處審議中令觀光署也正在研議訂定郵輪國外個別旅遊定型化契約應記載及不得記載事項 原始建請交通部折承觀光署及香港局建訴完成相關法制作業公佈實施並督導業者落實辦理必維護 |
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郵輪旅客權益提案人委員邱若驊等宣布完畢好 請問各位委員有沒有意見或補充說明好那我們現在請行政單位表示意見報告召委 報告委員會那有關邱委員等委員的提案我們遵照辦理好 那本案就召案通過 |
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臨時提案處理完畢如果委員對上述提案補簽列入記錄並刊登公報現在請魯明哲委員發言好 謝謝主席有請我們林次長 請林次長 |
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港澳公司周董事長 請周董事長好 |
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吳永浩好 首先請教一下因為誠如你們今天提供的相關的專案報告跟大概7月份我們經濟日報相關的預估是差不多的就今年度的一個遊輪的旅客大概會超越疫情前的一個情況不管是這間評估 |
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成長6%到你們今天的報告成長8%都是非常接近的那因應現在一個郵輪當然又新又大載客的人數我覺得跟早期的一個郵輪不斷的在一個提升那我們再看在這片榮景之下我們在預算會期還是要談一下你們港務公司的相關一些 |
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預算損益的部分那我們看到這個112年113年到今年今年已經突破了突破了疫情之前創了新高那我們看看我們港公司郵輪的業務呢郵輪業務的損益呢郵輪業務的損益當然啦 我講政府有時候服務也不是說要賺錢啦但是我覺得預算的編列有一個最重要的一個要件就是你要去預估 預估落點 |
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預估弱點你明天要做一些行銷你明天要做一些行政你行政比跟預算要合一對不對那怎麼會說像這種很大的一個損益負的數字那我們就要研究一下是你之前是預算編列的時候是亂估還是今年發生一些比較特別的事情所以今年1到10月目前跟你們的預估的預算目前是少了8000 |
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8000多萬8000多萬那你預估年底大概是會會到會被超越去年 |
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負的數字會不會超越去年我們目前是這樣跟委員報告一下我們這個是應該是會慢慢的收斂但是其中有一部分就是委員指教的就是所謂的服務機械使用費那這個部分因為相關的單位都已經機械化那就不再跟我們租賃了所以這應該算是所謂的租賃的收入那這個部分我們會核實來做調整是 |
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謝謝委員指教了以今年的數據往下面來看坦白講我是都問號很多你們預算這樣的啦因為你是新到任啦你還沒編過預算啦我們希望你在編預算之後真的要注意這個問題啦 |
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我們發覺兩個差距數字最大的就收入面來講就是你剛剛講的叫做旅客服務 機械使用費那它的定義是什麼呢其實不清楚問到講很清楚就是我們港務公司有很不錯的一個旅客天橋讓靠港的一個大的郵輪大郵輪能夠上架旅客很安全那按理說那每個郵輪停港都要但是因為現在所有的 |
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比較新式的郵輪跟我們早期我們在有這個費用的那個時代完全不一樣了確實而且一個郵輪它要跳國家跳港口它自己當然要用自己的熟練操作的那種空橋也很自然嘛那我的意義就是說像你這樣子編了4000多萬今年編了4000多萬1到10月相關的使用 |
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只有406萬那你說郵輪就算了很多是國外級的郵輪你不清楚它有沒有旅客空調可是S光機你也等著誰跟你租等著移民署跟海關自己人跟你租它根本不用 它都有所以我在你編這個預算的時候非常非常不合理我就把這個特別點出來而且明明這個收入在你們的決算在去年的時候決算完是只有400萬 |
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前年只有297萬可是你們硬生生看這個數字還是把它編了10倍我就覺得很不應該那在成本的一個考量的部分也是你們估算明年要做什麼核實編列一定會有落差但是落差真的要控制在較為精準的範圍為止比較合理那這個部分周董事長沒問題吧是 我們一定核實來做檢討 謝謝委員 |
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好 那接下來這個可能跟觀光有點關係因為反正你也是觀光署也做過了就直接遊人觀光外籍旅客來台的成長我們是覺得緩慢因為整個遊人的人次整體看到底多少人次創了新高了但是我們要分析裡面的一個 |
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它的元素 因為有些做船 原來是國人出去就是出國旅遊 出國花錢那我們比較在意的是這些旅次裡面是真正尤其目前主要基隆港 它是玩北區可能新北 台北 甚至桃園部分都會玩到 |
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在高雄港下來可能高雄台南屏東都可能玩到所以我們現在看到就是外國人搭郵輪在這兩個港口就它兩個港口分別下來一次我們都把它算進去了感覺是蠻平穩的我們希望能夠整體突破我們所有的外國旅客來到台灣的觀光也能夠突破有沒有什麼想法 |
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跟委員報告一下大概就是有幾個重要的市場一個是東南亞市場現在最重要的是大部分都是以新加坡為中心這個部分我們希望能夠多做一些串聯然後東北亞的部分的日本跟韓國是我們現在最主要的市場所以我們會加強 |
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那過去確實也跟委員報告一下就是我們在行銷的部分因為觀光署的行銷它是有很多面向的那針對郵輪的主題式的這個行銷的工作我想未來會跟陳署長充分的合作我們針對郵輪市場的這個國際的這個宣傳這個部分我們會加大力道還有就是跟船船舶的船商他們這些船長他們真的要來看 |
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否則的話到基隆他怎麼選都選101跟這個故宮這也不是很好的方式好謝謝這個董事長那也要拜託次長因為這種都跨單位的你們要下來稍微協調一下那我們也特別看到我們也希望因為這個董事長你是新到任的新到任的我這也不 |
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沒有要苛責你的意思但是我覺得這個整個預算編列執行它都是帶有相關的一個計畫的你不要讓所有的委員看到說每一次審預算的時候講了一大篇然後來到結束的時候是連頁都沒有翻書本還翻在那裡 |
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那我就覺得這樣子是不行的你們在去年前年就開始推跳島這個叫跳島希望幫忙一下嘛能夠除了到台灣本島之外能夠到離島嘛澎湖其他島跳島我覺得很棒啊想法很棒現在然後也編了預算立委也支持通過了你看從114億年到113年它預算的執行率大概都一半左右 |
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然後到114年 今年啊今年你們要規劃說海洋觀光嘉年華事半航線的推廣是失敗的零趴接11月嘛就是今年推廣正式跳島宣布失敗連做都不用做了 |
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好啦 我時間到了啦我覺得務實一點那我也看到你明年開始不編了所以四五年之後就跟當時跟立委跟交通部長行政院長報告的計畫開了一個大玩笑然後預算就這樣的然後我也跟你講申請補助的案子看我最下面一行你們是希望鼓勵船舶運送業旅行業 遊人 公司來 你們來跳島去澎湖或者其他離島來 我們給你相關的一些補助補貼 |
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現在所有的補貼前面有四次的補貼也花了幾百萬全部都沒有前面三項因為沒有人要來業者沒有人要跳島所以全部都補助協會 |
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論壇 活動 論壇 活動不過所以你今年乾脆不辦我還是支持的啦你在這樣談沒有一個要過去的話這樣是不行的所以我們希望跳島真的還是要去推要去推你要去看特定的郵輪鎖定它來請它來直接跳到我們這些的離島 |
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直接去鎖定不是協會在辦自追自擂的活動自嗨的活動沒有意義啦所以我覺得這個好好檢討但是我們還是希望在整個台灣離島都能夠被加惠到好不好謝謝魯明哲委員發言完畢現在請葉元之委員發言 |
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主席好 麻煩請消防部次長請您次長 |
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委員長這樣好現在看起來交通部是要大力的推廣郵輪觀光那郵輪觀光的如果大力推廣因為它還有很有成長空間到時候消費者的保護就非常重要了因為我在應該是半年前就曾經針對郵輪的消費者保護提出過質詢當時消費者面臨一個狀況 |
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就是他如果去國際郵輪上面消費遇到了消費糾紛他只能跟旅行社反映但旅行社說他只是代收代付還是要找郵輪公司可是郵輪公司如果是國際郵輪變成消費者要去打國際官司那通常大家就知難而退就面臨到一個求助無門的狀況所以我曾經建議 |
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就是交通部要有一個國際郵輪評鑑機制為什麼要有評鑑機制因為你才有一個根據可以據此對國際郵輪去跟他談判去跟他協商要求他要比較照顧消費者特別是針對有些國際郵輪他要靠港 他要停我們的港當然我們就可以有比較大的籌碼去跟他談 |
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但問題是那個時候是部長來部長也覺得說可以往這個方向去然後三個月說要研議一個評鑑機制可是回給我們的文完全沒有提到評鑑機制只有講幾件事情第一個有提到就是說會在網站上面公開消費爭議然後還有就是會做定型化的契約大概就是這樣我們看下一頁大概這個是你們回給我的文 |
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說要航港局要協同觀光署成立消費爭議處理小組然後另外就是要針對消費爭議建立一個資訊揭露的機制還有就是我剛剛講的要定型化契約 |
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但這是沒有用啊為什麼 我們看下一頁第一個你說你要成立一個爭議的公開專區可是我們去查就沒有啊然後只有在郵輪消費者這個部分列了哥斯達郵輪的三次的爭議事件處理的協調會議記錄那針對其他的郵輪所遇到的狀況 |
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都沒有 完全沒有任何的揭露然後再來一次如果說消費者遇到問題怎麼辦呢我們可以看 |
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我們下一頁我們看看就觀光署發文給消基會就是說交通部已經責成航港局擔任郵輪的主政機關然後因為針對那個哥斯達郵輪的這個爭議因為協調三次還是有很多人不滿意所以後續就是透過消費爭議處理程序尋求救濟什麼意思你自己去打國際官司 |
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最後又變這樣啊所以評鑑機制沒有然後交通部拿不出真的具體會讓國際郵輪害怕的籌碼出來最後還是叫消費者去打國際官司那這跟我們上次質詢的不一樣那我現在是看到說兩個問題啦等一下請次長回答一下第一個你們現在是由航港局來當作國際郵輪的主管機關 |
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其實我覺得不錯為什麼因為你剛好就可以用港口讓不讓他停當作一個籌碼否則應該是觀光署來管理才對啊因為消費者遇到觀光問題當然找觀光署嘛而且因為航港局私下也有講就是說他們要找旅行社有的時候旅行社不理他還要去跟觀光署要資料觀光署也不見得理他們 |
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所以你透過旅行社這個機制是行不通你就是要用港口當作一個跟他談判的籌碼所以我知道次長你現在你看繞了一圈秀出那麼多資料你們還是沒有辦法給消費者一個具體的保障不知道次長你怎麼看 |
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報委員您講得非常清楚因為郵輪要不要進港我們得根據他的服務跟以往的績效所以我這一次在您提到這個消費爭議處理的過程中間也有要航空局根據他們的處理過程如果他一直都處理得等於說擺爛講白話如果他不處理好那我們不見得要准許他下一次再來這邊提供服務 |
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雖然我們歡迎郵輪來但是我們要的是高服務品質而且能對消費者產生保護的這個郵輪所以目前航空局跟觀光署處理的方式就是第一個如果這個郵輪的票跟服務是由郵輪業者賣由航空局來盯來規範但是如果他是透過旅行社來包船那我們就由觀光署來盯因為畢竟是旅行社去賣那個票證所以我已經要求兩個單位副署長成立一個常態的整理處理小組 |
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沒有沒有 我剛剛已經秀過了這件事是沒有用你要有一個評鑑機制出來因為他不是說只有發生爭議你平常就要去評鑑比如說他在郵輪上面衛不衛生有沒有其他的問題你本來就要有一個評鑑機制然後根據常態性的評鑑機制當作是他可不可以靠幾次港的一個依據而不是說每一次都是要等到事情鬧大了消費者在那邊 |
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抗議了你們航港局才出來說好 那我來處理然後把幾個協調會議放到網站上這沒有辦法保障到絕大多數的消費者包委員我請局長說明一下所以這個部分你還是要做啦那我給你參考我給你參考一下其他國家的案例啦譬如說像加拿大 |
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加拿大就有啊他們是為他們的類似衛福部的衛生單位就有評鑑啊就會去看衛生啊會有一個幾顆星幾顆星啊這就是一個評鑑指標之一嘛然後再來就是你剛剛提到其實在你們網站上我們都只有看到其中一個郵輪的消費增益事件可是你知道多少人關心郵輪這個事嗎你知道有一個叫做靠北郵輪的社群有1.4萬人在裡面啊 |
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所以這是一個很大的市場不是你們想像的只有一兩個國際郵輪然後可能會有的問題 |
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所以我們還是強烈的建議你真的針對既然你要發展遊輪觀光那你到時候一定會有很多消費爭議而且這個有很大成長空間你要把這個消費的部分爭議的部分一個機制把它定好那我還是強烈建議就是你要有一個客觀的評鑑機制不管是在衛生或者是它對消費者服務滿意度各方面它配合度要有一個具體客觀指標你才有辦法去 |
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去跟他談嘛否則你最後現在是不是還是叫消費者最後還是叫他去打官司剛剛秀出來就是這樣啊你發函給肖基惠啊是 委員您提的我想我們就納入航港局跟各個單位邀集做一個聯合評鑑我其實這個是四月那時候四月來質詢的我們就來處理現在過半年了四月 過八個月所以是不是還要多久這個才能夠給一個就是不要問A答B的報告 |
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對 各位報告這個我們會遵照委員跟次長指示來這個會同相關單位來研議一個客觀那可以來具有參考性的這個多久 多久大概多久因為之前是4月你那時候三個月給這樣嘛看來就是問A打B嘛是不是 |
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是不是可以給我們三個月時間還要再三個月我們來努力拔萬因為這個涉及到客觀性還是不是啦沒關係 這就是交通部的怠度啦大家都在看啦 謝謝 |
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葉援之委員發言完畢現在請陳培宇委員陳培宇委員陳培宇委員不在現在請陳俊宇委員陳俊宇委員陳俊宇委員不在現在請王宏威委員發言謝謝主席我請一下林次長 |
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請您次長 |
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市長好那今天鐵道局沒有來但是因為有一件發生在本月的事情但是到目前為止並沒有一個很合理的答案跟解釋我覺得在還是要趁著我們交通委員會的時候我要做質詢留下記錄也希望也要求我們交通部要去了解在今年的12月2號 |
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那高鐵發生這個通訊系統的異常事故而造成了這個班次的延誤那當然這個媒體有注意到這個事件所以呢也有去問這個包含鐵道局跟高鐵 |
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但是當時高鐵的說法是說這些具體設備異常的原因還在調查中已經依照鐵路法讓高鐵公司進行設備調查並且釐清是否為操作或人為因素我想請教次長就您所知道到目前為止交通部有沒有掌握 |
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12月2號所謂高鐵這個通訊系統異常而造成的這個班車的延誤到現在有掌握到嗎 |
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高委員 這個鐵道局有做調查但是目前我們部裡還沒有收到調查的報告還沒有收到調查報告事後跟您做個回報好不好好我請鐵道局去跟您回報好的 那我要特別講說事實上這個事件我們所掌握的資訊其實高鐵在第一時間其實已經發現這個是有相關的人為的疏失 |
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我們一直在講說其實高鐵作為國內最重要的一個貫穿南北的交通的運輸工具那當然它的這個安全是非常非常的重要如果它不管是因為是設備的故障或人為的疏失或者有什麼不可抗力的因素我覺得都要據時的回報 對不對 |
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但是這件事情我們後來得到的訊息是其實高鐵在第一時間他們是已知道是有人為的疏失這個就是有剪錯線的問題有剪錯線的問題所以才造成了這樣的一個訊號的故障所以在這邊還是非常希望能夠交通部要能夠去掌握要能夠去了解不要每次發生事件之後 |
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大概都說都願意給高鐵一些時間但是有些事實上在第一時間其實就已經知道了好 那另外第二件事情也要請交通部折騰鐵道局去了解的 |
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在12月13號 你看都是在12月12月13號高鐵的列車組TR26的外側車蓋板它竟然在行駛中飛出去了 飛出去那還好 因為這個蓋板就是鋼鐵做的 是鋼鐵那它在這麼高速的狀況飛出去 |
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那所幸當時經過的是農田區後來他們找到了 找到這個蓋板它是在農田區 終於讓他們找到了 |
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但是大家也知道高鐵也會行駛到住宅區就是比較稠密的地方假使當天的脫落是在都會區或者是在人煙比較稠密的地方那是非同小可 |
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那是非同小可事情那我所了解其實高鐵對這件事情他們找到了蓋板而且呢也有做出也有做出相關的一些報告和檢討但是我不曉得次長你知道交通部知道這個事情嗎 |
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包委員我們會掌握各個事件但是這個像這一類的議題涉及到行車安全跟周邊周邊環境民眾就是您說的如果進到都會區造成危害就更大對那是不得了的事情還有前一個案子檢錯線那就是維護跟整理我想都有必要要求鐵道局去做專案的查核是所以因為這個是我們是會要求他們來做做把清楚的報告 |
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因為今天我有講今天鐵道局沒有來但是我覺得我必須要把這兩個事件我所得到得知這兩個事件還是希望能夠在委員會裡面做出執行提醒交通部提醒鐵道局針對高鐵的 |
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服務很重要高鐵的安全更重要那像這些事件我們都索性並沒有什麼樣的這個很重大的這個就是安全傷亡的問題但是呢我們總是想說因為你螺絲這樣子鬆掉如果我們沒有沒有把它沒有把它鑽好沒有把它釘好那你難保下一次會發生什麼樣的事件 |
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黃宏威委員發言完畢現在請黃建豪委員發言 |
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好 謝謝主席 主席我們一樣請交通部林次長 請林次長然後也請這個民航局何局長 請何淑品局長黃委員早 局長好 局長好這個今天要跟你們討論的其實是這個無人機的問題我想這個科技不斷的進步以前過去我們想說民航局應該是管大飛機但我想現在連這種無人機目前大家也是注意我們民航局在管 |
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當然看到這個新聞國慶煙火的意外這個私人的空拍機砸傷這個相關的小朋友接下來我想因為很快的已經12月了接下來我想各城市也會辦跨年晚會各城市的跨年晚會裡面不管是鄉鎮辦的縣政府辦的各地方辦的可能也都有所謂無人機大型展演的活動我想現在無人機大型表演會是活動的一個很重要的亮點之一 |
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但是這個像上一次這個事件我想問一下民航局或是問一下交通部有沒有調查過說像這樣子的無人機突然從空中墜落它的原因是因為風大被吹掉還是因為風大導致用電量超過預估所以掉下來到底有什麼原因有沒有做過相關的調查 |
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跟委員報告因為它這個當初它是一個群飛群飛的話其實它會被影響當然每一個無人機的風速大小或者是什麼樣的情形可以飛本來就有相關的規定那另外一個還有一個可能就是說如果附近又有人有干擾到 |
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那他可能群飛的某一些訊號被干擾到以後這個無人機就會被因為訊號干擾而掉下來會去就是相關的原因所以說這個案子我可能要在細部再把那個資料再調回來看一下好 美鳳局長因為我為什麼提這個問題次長也讓你知道一下其實我想國外 |
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他們針對這個無人機使用的時候到底多少的這個程度可以多少的風速可以飛多少的怎麼樣型號的無人機它的最大承受風力它是用明文規定的但是我們看了一下我們所謂的遙控無人機管理規則或是相關的法規都沒有看到說操作無人機它有沒有最大承受風速的這個數據或者是使用手冊要載明最大承受風速的相關的規定那這個規範 |
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我想在未來民航局在相關訂立相關法案其實我也覺得也要快啦因為其實我想提到了嘛可能年底很多地方都會有相關的這些展演那這樣子的針對風速的承受力或者是它的電池的消耗程度等等的這個有沒有辦法列入規範裡面我想國外是有台灣有沒有辦法做進去 |
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跟委員報告所有的這一些操作手冊其實法人他在做這些展演或者是不只展演包含這個我們講的空拍等等的我們都有一個法人操作手冊什麼樣的機型因為每一個機型大小不同還有它是懸疑機或者是固定翼的都不同都有相關的一些規定包含剛剛委員所提的這一些最大承受的這個風速等等都會在這個手冊裡面有規定 |
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然後在這個無人機的檢驗階段就是測試階段也會去測相關的這個局長 這個是商品規格啦 對不對那我說你們在審查這個東西今天我要不要讓它飛然後現場的風速有沒有辦法對抗有沒有辦法足夠的這個承受的風力這件事情在相關的這個管理規則裡面你有放進去嗎 |
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管理規則它是上位階那我們在下位階的手冊裡面有相關規定那這個管理規則能把它放進去我是說在上位管理的部分還是你變成是因為我後面會提到這個管理的部分因為它是很細節因為管理規則裡面講的全部是上位階那所有的技術細節其實會規範在下位階的相關的手冊裡面 |
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在這個執法權限的問題,如果你沒有放到三維街的話,上次提到南朝登會取消無人機展演的事情,是因為有人檢舉說他現場的機型格式跟他本來申請的東西不符,所以你們民調局派人去檢查。 |
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那派你檢查之後呢確實你們檢查發現了這個事情的存在那通知主辦單位那由主辦單位來宣告這個活動取消那我們今天為什麼希望它把它提升到它一定的位階是因為如果今天民航局就像今天如果今天飛機有問題你民航局就可以強制它不能再去飛了嘛 |
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每樣在我們無人機的科技發展一直往前走以後可能會有大型的無人機載具等等都可能發生那今天如果你把這個所謂的風速相關的規範把它定在更上的位階就不會像今天這樣這個事情是你們通知主辦單位主辦單位自行判斷要不要繼續做這個行為那如果萬一當然萬一主辦單位還是持續要做 |
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當然他負相關責任啦只是我們今天希望說民航局能夠有更因為你們比較專業你們有相關的這些相關的法規範如果你們把位階定高一點是不是就可以強制的去要求相關的這個問題相關的這個表演就不要繼續進行就這個飛機這個無人機它就不能飛了而不是等到說我提出相關建議那至於它當下還要不要飛那是別的單位的決定我是覺得民航局這個決定是你們就可以承擔啦 |
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跟委員報告我想應該是這樣民航局這上面寫的確實是因為我們做的是你符合法規規定還有你訂的手冊的規範你達到標準你就可以飛如果沒有達到標準那你就不能飛其實不用民航局在一一去說你可以飛不能飛因為我們同一時間譬如說像一個月我們一個時間就大概有500件 |
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那500件我不可能去通知每個操作人說現在風可以 你飛現在風不可以 不能飛而是全部會規範在手冊裡面這個機型 這個耐風力不夠你操作人就要自己知道就要自己不能飛這個就是回到手冊還有相關規定的規範 |
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那這個部分我們會再來加強宣導就是說這個操作人或者是這個操作人應該他要符合相關規範他要有一個預度不要再做那個邊緣就是說你譬如說風速你是50那你不要去說49你還要飛這個就是說這個預度要保留 |
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那就可以避免像這樣子的一個情形沒有 當然 沒關係現階段當然你們覺得這樣夠用但是我覺得本席是覺得說如果能夠你把他這個相關的這個位階提升一點或許就是你們強勢介入的角度會高一點因為像這個案子是你們也確實派員檢查你們派人到現場也確定這個事情的存在了可是你們不能去要求他不可以飛是變成你們要跟主辦單位講主辦單位來下這個決定 |
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這我覺得又過了一層那如果你們當下就能決定的話我想就不用有這麼多聯繫的時間了嘛因為畢竟這種飛機的事情雖然它是無人機現在都是小型在商業在做的可是這個無人機我認為還是整體來講算是你們的主要業務的裡面了好不好 |
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好那謝謝委員提醒我們最後一個問題因為時間到了但是還是要講一樣還是無人機的問題就是其實之前我們面對無人機當然像無人機我為什麼會想到這個事情因為無人機現在很多是用來取代煙火取代爆竹等等這樣子的規範那過去呢在針對爆竹煙火釋放申請的時候裡面是規範在特定情況下面會有停止釋放措施那比如說安全設施不足現場風速等等等等 |
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那現在無人機的表演條件在相關的規範裡面你們只有限定說不在管制區而已那但是很多的活動現在包含現在我提到很快來的跨年相關的活動到底這個把關的機制只要在不在只要是在不在管制就可以了嗎它有沒有更多的規範或是說比如現場的人口密集度或是現場有其他的干擾的因素存在這個會不會在你們相關的審查機制裡面還是只要它不在無人機就可以了 |
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跟委員報告這一個所看到的是申請區域那剛剛講到在人群上空或者是建築物我們有五不五不要這個相關的規定其實在民航法裡面也有提到那在真正做展演的時候其實都有要求這個申請者 |
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操作者都要完全符合相關規定譬如說聚人群如果你要在人群上空那你要有相關的操作能力操作限制所以這一些其實都有相關的規範那這個部分我們其實在核准的時候其實都有一再提醒對於相關民眾公共安全的部分 |
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好 謝謝 局長我想就是不要只有提醒我們就是希望能夠很明確的讓大家知道說不是只有提醒你提醒比較像道德勸說我們希望說就很明確的把它放到規範裡面去讓大家能夠依這個規範去執行讓大家也比較審視好不好 局長 次長好 謝謝黃建豪委員發言完畢現在請陳雪生委員發言 |
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謝謝主席 是不是請次長請次長還有港澳公司 銀行局請周永輝局長 請何淑萍局長委員長次長早我今天跟你聊一下那個馬祖的觀光沒有什麼人去金門那邊都突破一百萬了大陸過來我們只有幾千個人 |
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這個當然我也不能怪說我們觀光局不努力啊什麼的觀光署不努力也不是小山聰啊不是國內旅遊 國內旅遊去馬祖還是蠻多的我們一年都有三四十萬人搭配我等一下會跟你聊這個現在那個機場不是擴建嗎擴建 何局長你瞭解嗎 |
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是不是我上次提的辦辦公你聽懂了沒有有聽懂這個部分委員其實過去以來一直在關切就是說施工期間關閉當初依據這個綜合規劃裡面一邊施工一邊進場嘛然後後來就有提到是說是不是有可能一邊施工一邊進場的考量那現在我們這個案子因為要築堤造地所以已經違給港務公司 |
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那現在港務公司這邊也對外就是有去做這個細設商的一個招標那在細設過程中我們會再來考慮委員的相關的這個提醒為什麼請港務公司也回答一下你們是不是照這個辦辦公的方式請世襲那邊去 |
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對 目前還在評估中然後那個王景榮總經理也特別去了一趟馬祖就是我想說不是馬祖 世西世西有沒有跟他們世西飆了嘛就一起 對 一起討論那他們的態度怎麼樣目前還是要做工程分析了可以達到目標嗎 |
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目前還不曉得因為有滿多的他有幾個要處理一方面是工程問題二方面也是海象相關的氣象這些都有高度好 何局長 |
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跟委員報告 其實最核心的還是因為它填足期間足體是可以可是我們造地的時候它要夯實所以它需要那個沒問題我是講填海的時候它的消波塊跟那個沉箱有沒有能夠從台北這邊做 台灣這邊做做完以後把它拖過去 |
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這個階段成本會比較高一點這個階段我們會朝這樣的方式處理那到了以後他如果相關機具沒有在跑道的尾端跑道尾端不能有障礙物嘛那那個階段我們就飛機可以飛所以在細部一點等到足地的時候那那個土要夯實那個一兩年沒關係啦我們可以忍受但你說八年十年我小英講真的受不了了 |
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這個我們會委員的提示我們會來評估把那個時間看有沒有辦法來縮短透過工程技術因為施工期間造成的不便等等我們這個都可以想辦法處理有一些客人到北竿去我們在北竿的部分旅館的部分給他一些優惠還有發購物券或是乘船的話北竿的居民我們免費 |
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這些都可以在這個經費裡面我們來處理這方面的問題問題是施工沒辦法處理你知道嗎造成一定會造成民眾的損失嘛一定會有嘛當然我們飛機試試兩次啦這個說真的不做不行啦不做不行勢在必行啦一定要做的一定要做的那現在我希望就是說民防局我想次長你也是民防局局長出身嘛 |
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你也會很支持這些事情好不好你指導他們一下了解 非安能確保的情況下我們盡量朝那個方向來處理就辦公施工啦對 主要還是非安要能確保好 那周局長謝謝你那個剛上任董事長應該慢慢的業務就駕輕就熟了好 謝謝兩位好不好 謝謝另外我就請那個觀光署署長主席請署長 |
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市長署長我好幾次質詢提到馬阿祖的土地有80%是軍備局跟國產署的你說一個縣20%王中民縣長他是管了20%的土地人民主權其他都在軍隊的手裡那他很多廢棄的雲區改天有機會你到馬阿祖去考察的時候我帶你去看 |
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私部喔 以前的私部現在把它圍起來了 沒用還有很多旅部啊 廢棄的營區現在只有一個排我去金門也去看過啊金門的私部現在變成一個排在那邊 一個班他那個土地放在那邊幹什麼啊是每天準備打仗嗎 也不是吧 是不是所以我為什麼要提這個齁我希望觀光署啊 |
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當然縣政府可以去檢討我也跟國防部提過公安署這邊協助縣政府怎麼樣把這個廢肢的營區的土地讓縣政府來做管理那麼很麻煩的是撥用以後的程序不可以作為商業的用途那可以跟公安署這邊商量一下 |
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比如說旅館我們可以協助開發嘛可以共同持有共同土地租給他30年50年可以做這樣一個動作嗎是 文雲好這個部分我們是不是請馬館處再配合縣政府這邊一起來盤點一下相關可用的可用的土地跟之後想辦法來活化它對啦 |
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主要就是有哪些地方可以釋出或者是他有潛力來做開發我想剛剛署長提的也確實我請馬管處跟縣府這邊先去了解盤點盤點就個案去找國防部看看可不可以處理你看我們在旅客坐飛機去 機位好訂但是旅館很難 訂不到旅館 |
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一間旅館都訂不到這個是很麻煩的事情你知道他怎麼發展嗎他怎麼發展就是當然可以管制觀光人口的數量問題他目前還沒有到達飽和還有發展的空間是不是請署長這邊能夠協助聯鄉縣政府好不好有關土地的利用的時候再那個一下好不好 |
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其他還有就是 你請回今天那個 航港局沒來喔 喔 航港局葉協榮局長好 很快 一分鐘葉局長 那個藍色公路啊不是有做那個海上運輸的那個備援船嗎那個進度怎麼樣啦 要做一條八千噸的因為今天講到那個遊輪觀光啦 |
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所以我想到這條船啦 進度怎麼樣呢 跟我們報告最新的進度那整個綜合規劃我們已經完成了那我們在九月份報布之後 部裡面有相關的審查一件請距離再修正我們在最新在12月12號已經重新再報布那我們會跟部裡面這邊密切溝通盡快完成這個 你能不能稍微說明一下他的建造期程 |
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跟委員報告我們預計是在明年這個明年上半年行政院核定之後馬上來進行採購照片的作業後年編預算對116年編預算118年底來建造完成然後119年初來年建造完成118年底 |
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118年建造完成是可以建造完成嗎可以可以我們現在船屋的部分也都有那你們預定在國內建造船還是國外包委員我們目前設定還是以日本船廠為優先因為他們的技術你可以參考一下我們的新台馬輪非常不錯的船你把噸位加大就好了 |
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有有是是我們大概是朝這個方向委員剛剛指導的方向來好謝謝因為時間到了 趙委在催了謝謝你們好謝謝趙委陳雪山委員發言完畢現在請謝榮介委員發言 |
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主席我請部長來 請林次長部長早部長今天早上沒來委員早委員早早齁次長你會不會受罪不是很行 會有 但是沒有很厲害台灣是海德國家四民都害 |
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我看你們報告裡面 針對海上的流油二十年來大家都說要退窮但到底是因為國防的關係 尤其是風俗的關係一直都沒辦法得到大幅度的開放那麼我看你們報告的手裡就是說針對國外的郵輪來的出手跟大來的領導 |
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你知道現在國家經來的路由漸漸衰弱 收入不太好看尤其是大陸客來關公的收容大幅度減少那麼不要看到你們站在海上公路這條納釋的公路裡面做一個完美的 |
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海上如有那麼串連台灣這麼多港口這麼美麗的風景尤其過去說沒青是酸沒青是海這個美麗的台海呢身為一個海洋國家四面全海我想我看你們的報告 |
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可以說沒有急救不知道你是怎麼看法跟委員報告主要就像你說的我們國家都說孩子不要去靠海所以傳統上是安全但是現在的方式就是希望向海自盡 親近海洋所以基本上來講這也已經20多年了 |
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我們報告裡面我們有特別說郵輪是一回事另外一個是郵艇的操作郵艇操作我不知道委員有沒有注意到郵艇我知道郵艇是屬於比較人說比較高級的路由我現在跟你說除了大型的郵輪以外台灣是一個很好可以開發中型海上中型輪船海上的觀光路由這等於 |
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跟再來的路由一樣,就是國內的這種海上路由尤其台灣有這麼美麗的海洋,有這麼多港口、經典完全不要看到你們本身來這裡兩年,你們所有的報告,裡面不要提出 |
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有啦 我們藍色公路開始在發展那藍色公路你告訴我你藍色公路到一個點有港口到港口裡面在到來路由有拿到這個重點我先腳掌給你報告好不好好 來 你講 |
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跟委員報告 今年我們有三條事辦的航線主要有包括基隆到花蓮 布袋到平和金門布袋到平和金門這是運輸 |
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那麼你告訴我陸遊的領口跟往來的人數是 跟委員報告 布袋旁邊近年有兩個往返的航班那總共有1400人定位那載客率有六成好啦 你不要再說這個就漏氣了我本身想問的是 針對國內的國旅的發展 |
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可以對陸上到來的路由來結合海牛 納食的公路做一個配套啦不是說點對點 起跟回不是這樣嘛你們有辦法擬定一個這種初期的價位嗎 |
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有辦法嗎有包委員感謝委員的提醒那我們今年的事辦的這個藍色公路的這個遊程的活動有包括岸上的遊程也包括這個船上的相關的公共活動你這個月來擬定這個界位起來本身跟你共同探討 |
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因為本身主義這個海上活動很久了我也很愛這個油漿啊這種的吃但是這不是一般市民有得負擔的嘛 |
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我現在跟你說的就是在將來的陸遊結合遊艇台灣可以開創一條新的觀光站讓我們這個觀光三峽這裡現在很困難這樣好不好好 我請香港局局長幾位幾位要來請教各位有辦法嗎 |
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是 包委員 我們一個月把個委構想提報出來來辦公室 我跟你們談談我跟你們做一個全都的談談我本身有哪一些初期的個委嘛 最晚嘛 好不好好 感謝你 委員信聰界委員發言完畢 |
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謝謝 現在請鍾嘉斌委員 鍾嘉斌委員 鍾嘉斌委員不在現在請王美惠委員 王美惠委員 王美惠委員不在現在請黃婕委員 黃婕委員 黃婕委員不在現在請賴惠元委員發言 |
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好謝謝主席我們請那個交通部次長請您次長 |
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賴委員早市長早安我想藍色公路的一個現況跟未來的發展的一個規劃那要試著用利用這個時間跟就是市長討論一下就是我們的將軍漁港將軍漁港其實他就是位在那個台61線台61線就是這樣子延伸下來的時候其實我們知道有三個三個就是 |
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台61線那個大的那個新豐 大安 口福這些休息站這些休息站基本上就是他的萊克數是非常穩定那也變成就是說沿線的駕駛他們必須要停靠的地方 |
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那這些休息站其實也帶來周邊的消費跟地方的一個觀光那其實他是有需求的一個存在模型的一個可行性那除了跟那個次長溝通是休息站將軍休息站以外還要試著就是先跟那個次長提到了就是說我們的將軍漁港將軍漁港事實上就是說他其實存在存在已經很很長的一段的時間了他其實是 |
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沿海最大的一個漁港之一它不管是觀光儀式還是說漁貨量的拍賣還是餐飲甚至海上的交通它是可以從澎湖的南方四島到東極島的一個航線 |
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那我在這裡要請教一下次長就是我們將軍移港的這一個就是說不管是在觀光休閒還是水上的交通你覺得那個目前目前就是所有的一個進行你是不是滿意 |
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包委員 將軍漁港基本上是歸漁業署跟地方政府來輔導但是基本上我們觀光署的部分應該那個應該是西拉雅還是雲嘉南風景局管理處我想我們還是可以協助他來瞭解這邊的潛力那您提到這邊要不要設休息站這個我想請公路局來評估一下大概您前面提的這三個休息站距離大概 |
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每一個大概一到兩個小時的車程所以如果以口湖來講往下將軍北門那附近也應該有一個休息區會比較有利於旅客的這個休息跟補給 |
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沒有錯 沒有錯就是說其實我們台南是南北狹長那如果從口湖一直就是說貫穿到我嘉義縣然後就是延伸到台南其實光是我們台南這就是在西濱的觀光道路上面就是要開五十分鐘可是顯然獨切六十一線的將軍休息站 |
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那在次長我要提醒你就是說在2021年11月4號我執行交通部的時候其實蘇院長就引諾就是要落腳這個將軍交流道旁邊的工有地可是這個三四年過去了進度在哪裡到底是哪裡出現的問題 |
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報言這個是公路局在處理我可能要瞭解一下他在土地的取得以及相關的開發商有沒有有沒有招商的可能因為畢竟這個地方算是漁港嘛您剛提的海鮮或是沒有我現在講的是台61線喔對西濱公路那他主要是公路局在設置啦 |
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那基本上我剛提的區位上將軍跟北門附近應該可以有一個休息區只是說這塊地有沒有是不是我們工友的還是需要再跟縣府或民間來取得這個必須要再瞭解 |
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那事實上其實在早期的一個規劃的時候這個都已經是那個都是已經成案了那我們不知道就是說到底就是說等於是地方政府跟中央一直在互踢皮球委員這樣好不好我請公路局馬上跟您聯絡好不好看看目前問題跟狀況到哪個 |
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對 因為我需要知道就是說你一定後續的一個規劃 到底這個時程的一個推動是到什麼什麼樣的一個就是階段而且這個都已經是前那個行政院長答應的一個休息站然後在這裡就是說遲遲都沒有辦法推動那到底出現了一個問題在哪裡那相對的那個次長我還是在延伸到就是說我的將軍營港 這個將軍營港是歸誰管的 |
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江雲港是漁業署跟市政府台南市政府是不是請漁業署這邊已經拿了4400萬下來了4400萬下來顯然就是說我們也沒有看到就是說一個整體的一個那個進度那這個問題又是出在哪裡 |
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您提的是休息站還是漁港4400萬 我講的是休息站前面你已經講要來報告了現在我要講的是將軍漁港將軍漁港的一個設立的時候在中央已經補助了4400萬你除了增加就是那個碼頭的那個碼頭的那個浮動浮動的一個那個建置以外 |
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還有什麼就是說為什麼這一個遲遲都沒有辦法我們沒有辦法看到進度困難在哪裏是我是不是會因為這個不是我負責的業務我是不是事後再跟這委員這邊來做一個報告我們請那這是誰的業務不是不是不是馬頭的一個整建工程這個不是交通部的嗎不然應該是誰的 |
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我請我們那個夜館的這個主管來回答一下遊艇碼頭的部分已經規劃設計後續的部分我們會在那個遊艇碼頭發展方案裡面多久的一個規劃設計 |
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這個部分因為是我們補助台南市政府在辦理那個是我們中央補助那個地方政府中央補助地方政府這麼一大筆錢然後我們所有中央的一個單位都不是非常清楚這個怎麼會是這樣子呢 |
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市長這樣子好不好我想就是說你幫我彙整一下顯然就是前者單位我們也不是非常清楚那是不是就是說針對的就是將軍移港的一個進度還有就是我們休息站的一個進度來那個本席辦公室報告一下我請公路局 航空局麻煩就協同漁業署來跟您報告謝謝市長謝謝主席 |
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議員發言完畢現在請林月晴委員林月晴委員林月晴委員不在現在請吳麗華委員發言謝謝主席有請交通部次長請您次長 |
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市長好 在交通部有一個就是針對這些離島地區居民的一個票價補貼那在離島建設條例裡面第15至1條有提到就是這個金額不得低於其票價30%也就是說它是一個法定的一個下限 |
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那我在這邊就是要替族人請命因為看起來這十年來其實一直沒有做調整那最主要特別是蘭嶼的這些居民他一趟來回到台東其實他大概也要自行負擔大概一千六百多那對於很多老人家來講他們其實往往都是需要到台東市區 |
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去看病因為可能蘭嶼的醫療資源有一些設備的問題他們要常常希望出去可是這樣的一個交通成本甚至他們到了市區都一定還要坐計程車所以對他們來講要去看病他們就不敢看 |
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那我們也是覺得很心疼很不捨所以想要請教一下市長當然這是我們航港局的業務不曉得這個部分有沒有什麼樣的想法 |
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我先請局長跟您做個說明是跟委員報告那為了這個提供我們離島居民這個基本民行那我們在這個居民票價補貼有依照依法發展大陸運輸條例的規定是是是那我們這個是下限我們補助 |
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這個地方政府補助給這個補貼給居民的這個比例是高於這個下限那蘭嶼的部分是38%綠島的部分是32%那每年的預算額度總數是大概800萬那我們是透過這個行政院核定的六重建設計畫來協助地方政府來進行補貼 |
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我知道但是我現在要談的就是說對於很多的老人家來講他非常需要往返台東可是這樣的一個交通成本對他們來講他們根本不敢出去我要講的是說我們應該必須要去正視這個問題我們怎麼幫助當地人有這樣的一個特殊需求 |
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另外就是屬於敬老票的部分那個有另外的優惠的規定那我們會再跟地方政府再進一步了解這個民眾的需求我是希望說要有改善的一個作為啦可以啦 |
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好 謝謝那另外我們也很關心蘭嶼他們那個地方一直以來都希望這個開園港因為遊客越來越多所以呢也很希望有環境的一個改善那目前我知道的是後船是已經發包中 |
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那港區的連外道路風雨走廊說預計會116年完工但是在水域的部分我就比較想要知道說因為當初說還要去納入在地居民的意見然後提報計畫那我不太曉得說提報建設計畫的進度如何 |
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這部分為了這個蘭嶼開源港的一個長遠發展我們有補助台東縣政府900萬元來做一個整體的規劃那今年縣府也已經完成規劃跟這個蘭嶼地方的鄉親來做溝通 |
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那今年已經召開過兩次的這個座談會那目前跟地方針對漁港區跟客船區來做一個分流的這樣的構想呢地方還是有不同的意見那預計在明年的三月會再召開第三次的會議那我們希望盡快的鄰居公司來對我在這邊就是希望有人關心在地居民很關心我們希望進度可以再更快一點好不好 |
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好謝謝那再請教一下因為我們在七月份的時候有看到新聞就是交通部呢有特別提到有五條藍色公路要啟航會補助營運費用跟觀光行銷那特別是像有一些基隆到花蓮那我就不太曉得說有沒有跟園民會或當地的旅遊公會去研商有沒有結合部落的旅遊線 |
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包委員這個部分我們花蓮部分的航線我們一直都有跟先生母這邊做密切的這個聯繫那台東部分我想我們在115年度的規劃也會把它跟他們一起來做那我希望那這個部分兩週內可以給我一個書面報告好不好那最後請教一下次長就是在幾個月前 |
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蘭嶼跟巴丹島他們其實有做一個世紀首航也就是他們要在明年的6月會乘這個20人最大的拼板舟要滑向巴丹島那這件事情也籌備了好幾年 |
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也謝謝交通部這邊我們在開協調會的時候也提供很多的協助但是我就是想要請教一下因為我看到我們的這個藍色公路像基隆到日本的石垣島那其實 |
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在他們來訪的過程中因為他們巴丹省的省長 副省長還有伊特巴亞市的市長他們都有過來有來國會做拜訪也有去高雄市市長也有來去親自的接待也有到蘭嶼那他們就是很希望說明年的這個活動就是有沒有可能搭配這個旅行團 |
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有沒有搭配專機這樣的一個規劃那未來呢這條航線其實很不錯因為我看這個基隆到日本石垣島大概270公里但是從蘭嶼從高雄到這個伊特巴亞市大概只有100公里左右其實是非常近的那不曉得次長你有什麼樣的想法跟規劃 |
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包委員 這個構想確實蠻特別我想就麻煩航港局先跟業者討論一下然後也跟您請教在這個活動中怎麼來跟這個縣府這邊搭配 好不好那就再找時間到辦公室我們來討論好 謝謝市長 謝謝局長 謝謝主席吳立華委員發言完畢現在請林德虎委員 |
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林德福委員 林德福委員不在現在請陳冠廷委員發言謝謝主席 我們請這一個觀光署的署長請陳玉秀署長 |
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署長好 委員好 署長之前我們有跟你反映有關這個環境部針對旅宿用品公告的一次性用品的限制那我們不斷提到說政策的目標是要讓環保跟觀光共融而不是讓兩者對立那上次我也同樣向環境部來去質詢那建議環境部要跟交通部協調政策上面是不是有可以修正的部分那他們跟我們講 他說這個一次次被寫那麼有經過民調然後民調顯示受訪者支持 |
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那後來我們仔細把它民調的問題把它調出來這個裡面的問題我不知道這個公關署有沒有一起來審視看看它裡面的問題是說為了地球環境更好請問您是否支持政府推動女書信一次用品減量管制 |
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把所有的民調問題都先套上一個大帽子為了地球更好你如果不支持你就是不要讓地球更好哪有這種民調的這就跟高鐵的民調每次都是80幾%70幾%大家支持一樣每一個都是誘導性的問題我們做民調是要知道民眾對這些問題的意識的看法而不是把他們導引到我們想要的方向去 |
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所以當他們用這樣子的問題用這樣子去針對受訪者來提問的時候那當然是支持的民眾就會比較多可是如果你不帶任何的語氣不帶情緒性的民調的結果的話現在社會大眾都覺得說我們這個 |
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環保署不知道在想什麼把這種一次性備品的這種限制做出來之後旅宿業它的價格不但沒有下降甚至還提升提高它的價格那還要提高它的價格之後服務還去偷金減兩所以我們開始發覺到說同樣品牌的飯店同樣新等的飯店在日本他提供的服務備品 |
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都是高於我們台灣的啊台灣有的時候還比較貴這是對台灣民眾是不公平的對其他國外民眾來訪問台灣的時候也是不公平的啊這當冤大頭啊把價格不斷的提高如果你們要這個便宜給房客我們接受如果沒有的話你又不給我們提供一次性的備品也不給我們這些其他的服務這是對這個觀光室有什麼幫助當然是沒有幫助的 |
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其實包含日本也好其他國家他們的一併性備品的政策他們也有檢討比方說他們討論環保的材質而不是讓觀光的品質下降所以我們不是要針對環保署跟他們說你們講環境部你們講的就是錯的我們講的就是對的沒有我們必須要從中取得一個平衡如果你要鼓勵民眾來去不使用一次性的備品可以降價 |
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降價嘛你用價格來去引導我們這個國民來去走向更環保的道路嗎你不能既不降價提高價格服務品質下降然後要叫全民來去或者是其他的觀光客來去買單 |
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其實很多飯店的這些經營者也有提到他們的母公司都覺得說我們品牌的形象建立在各種它的優異化的服務結果服務不但沒有提升現在還要依照這個政府的規定 |
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然後來去導致他們這些住房的旅客 國際的住房的旅客覺得說同樣的品牌在台灣總是差強人意所以這個部分我可不可以請署長能夠跟環境部來去討論一下不要用這種誘導的誘導的民調來去遂行他們的政策目的來去把這個民眾的這個權益來去降低這個部分可不可以請署長來去跟環境部來溝通 |
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謝謝委員上次確實提到這個問題我們後續也跟環境部持續在溝通希望不要一刀切的這種方式那我覺得如何在顧及旅客的減速跟永續旅遊已經是世界趨勢確實也是但是如何在顧及我們的這個政策那同時因為旅客的滿意度的這個部分希望達到一個協調的部分持續確實有在一起在討論 |
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那我再去強調消費端跟製造端這個都是要一起來去做檢測但是其實很多大廠比方說這一個快時尚這才是重要的必須要被target的對象他們所生產的用的資源之多那創造的這種環境的污染物之多這才是我們要去針對的要怎麼會去針對抓小放大這實在是很奇怪的一件事情我無法苟同 |
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那署長我們接下來談一下跟我們嘉義比較有關的 包含我們的梅山纜車的進度 那今年我們的太平四村跟周邊環境準備的計畫 我們有在梅山的纜車有第二次 或者是次長或者是任何交通部可以回應的人 那觀光署說明將會評估興建梅山纜車的可行性想請教目前的梅山纜車的進度跟評估的結果現在是怎麼樣 有沒有更新的進度 |
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我知道說阿管處有啟動這個太平華所的設計工作那目前各自的進度你們有聽到最新的進展嗎這個是不是請我們警局組的組長來 謝謝 |
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跟委員報告有關於梅山纜車跟太平雲梯滑索的部分我們的阿管處現在目前還是在委託顧問公司我們在積極對於環境地質敏感的部分還有一些環境影響的衝擊的部分我們還在做積極的評估在需要最新進度的有沒有時程可不可以給我們一個就是一個時間表 |
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就你們自己內部設置一個時間表好不好就是我們才可以知道推進的進度我們是不是進速評估後之後我們請管理處跟委員報告我的意思是說評估的時間表你們可以進速或者是怎麼樣都可以但是要有時間表我才知道你們有沒有進速好不好那我們跟您報告就給您一個我們辦理的時程那目前那個我們還沒有辦法現場來做一個明確的訂定因為第一線執行的管理處今天不在 |
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好 謝謝 謝謝最後署長我們嘉義縣大埔鄉也有藍色公路那我們是希望說這個觀光署可以全力協助他其實附近還有退府會的嘉義農場也在對外招商所以兩個把它整合在一起好不好跟他們討論一下 謝謝謝謝委員陳冠廷委員發言完畢現在請廖先祥委員發言 |
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好 謝謝主席 馬上邀請我們國防署陳署長請陳玉秀署長署長無礙 這個想先請問一下 署長你有沒有遇過黑熊遇過黑熊 對啊 還沒 還沒看過假設今天真的不小心走在路上遇到黑熊怎麼辦 |
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慢慢的退但是不能裝死因為上個禮拜我才剛去花蓮結果也遇到問這個問題我想提這個是當然不是單純問你對黑熊的專業知識而是最近我們在華華不管IG還是什麼樣子的一個軟體其實日本是我們國人出國旅遊其實應該是最大宗的一個目的地那最近有關於熊襲擊人的一個新聞好像又被廣泛討論了 |
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那我不曉得國防署針對這個部分有沒有去對我們可能去旅日的一些遊客給他們一些相關充分的一些知識比如說以北海道來講自駕的人很多嘛或者是黑熊他可能在哪邊的熱區他出沒點是高的 |
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那如果說我們的遊客到那邊去的時候遇到這種情況的時候要怎麼樣子保護自己或者是避免到一個比較危險的一個場域有沒有相關的一些公開的資訊或是做宣導這樣子 |
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我請我們國際組副組長來答一下他遇過熊是不是沒有報告委員有關於這個國人海外旅遊的部分第一個部分會有這個外交部領事舉在這個他們的官網上去宣導那至於我們的部分在團科的部分我們也會透過這個旅行社的這個領隊人員去做一些安全上面的一個保護 |
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對 我覺得我們可以去做一些相關資訊的一些收集你說要國人出國前去看外交部的網站我感覺比較可行性是比較低的啦而是說我們在出國的時候會透過哪一些媒介而在這些媒介給他們一些正確的知識譬如說你剛剛講的旅行社或者是跟我們的航空公司去做合作因為我 |
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我也知道好像日本好像最常出現 但是到底哪邊比較常出現我也不可能在東京市區遇到嘛 應該是不會啦可能是在北海道或是東北 或是福岡哪邊的地方可能頻率比較高的地方 可能在飛機上面請航空公司幫忙做一些宣導 給他們一些正確的知識我覺得這對於我們國人海外旅遊應該是還蠻重要的好不好 這部分是不是能夠請我們國防署後續去做一些相關的研擬跟宣導 |
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整理 整備一下再做宣傳 謝謝好 謝謝署長那我們請我們這個葉局長我們航港局葉局長 |
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委員好局長好這個請問一下我們這個遊艇啊遊艇啊就是好像我都會有時候我的選區在北岸東北角你也知道嘛那有些民眾好像會反映說我們遊艇的停泊的一些問題啦那想確認一下我們現在全台灣的遊艇的登記數量大概有多少 |
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各位報告 我們目前的國際遊艇登記數是1636艘 1600多艘那我們合法的停泊船位大概多少個位置各位報告 我們的這個遊艇的泊位有兩大類那第一類是專攻遊艇停泊的 這個叫專屬泊區現在有26處 1437席 |
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1437席 這專屬的 對 這專屬的那另外有79處的漁港有提供非專屬的泊區 那所謂非專屬是同時可以供遊艇或是漁船來共用那這個部分因為有79處所以也提供一定的泊位的供給 |
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所以目前以這樣的數量來估算大致跟我們現在的登記數是相近不過我們還是有持續在進行博區的一個建設所以115年我們的博區數專屬的部分可以從26處增加到28處那博位數可以增加到1537席 |
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所以不會出會持續來增加其實在總量上面其實專屬的一個位置其實就不夠了啦而且你也知道假設我們換個角度想全台灣假設有1000萬輛車只有1000萬個停車位一定是有熱區跟廢熱區嘛對不對那一定是會有一個部分可能比較擁擠那有些部分可能需求量沒那麼大雖然說 |
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位置在足夠的情況下可能都會發生這些問題何況是我們提供的總量還沒有到他們的登記數那想確認一下那有一些他們可能會去漁港的這一些是他們自己本身就覺得那邊比較好還是說是因為我們提供的專屬的位置不夠所以他們才被迫要到漁港裡面去 |
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最主要還是這個遊艇玩家認為在這個區位上他們認為這個漁港的這個區位在附近的這個搭配遊程的部分是符合他們需求所以專用的部分有你當然數量沒滿嘛那專用的部分是已經都是額滿的狀態了嗎 |
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根據最新的統計到十月份我們的遊艇博區的專屬的部分平均使用率是78.8所以還沒有到有沒有哪幾個是比較熱門的 |
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我想或是說比較供不應求的比如說這個委員選區的這個淡水的這個領袖遊艇碼頭沒有那個在孟海那邊對不起抱歉抱歉抱歉原則上是在新北地區這個 |
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還有像基隆的八豆子這個都是相當熱門的這個薄菌那相對起來假設在漁港啦那跟一些漁業作業的一些可能產生的淨河啦或者是摩擦這部分有沒有反應比較多這樣子 |
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對 各位你們知道這個是我們在柏區建設的重點 自己本身在野柳啦野柳那邊最主要是漁船嘛 對不對但是實際上我也都有看到一些遊艇在那邊作業啦這本身兩者的作業的一個會不會互相衝突的部分我們這部分都是怎麼在做協調的 |
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對 這個部分我們在柏區建設部分一定是納入優先的這個考量跟評估那還是以尊重這個漁民漁會的這個漁業的使用為優先 是那在投入建設前我們都有可行性評估還有跟居民的漁民漁會的這個協調作業在取得漁會漁民的同意的 |
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這個大原則下我們才會進行實質的這個柏區的這個建設還有開放遊艇的一個停靠所以剛剛報告的79處這個非專屬的柏區也都是經過與會與民的同意的 |
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好那當然了一部分就是我們專屬的場域是不是有些為什麼有些比較不喜歡去有一些會比較熱門那當然他會有些先天的因素那我們怎麼樣來提供一些比較熱門的地方的一些供給量同時間他就會去降低對傳統漁港的一些依賴那我這部分再麻煩我們的局長後續再多做一些 感謝委員的提醒我們現在有一個續期計畫大概就是曹委員提示的這個方向來努力好感謝 謝謝局長 謝謝主席 |
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要請委員發言完畢 現在請陳素月委員發言謝謝主席 請主席邀請觀光署的署長請陳玉秀署長 |
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委員好 署長早安我們知道這個郵輪觀光的旅遊模式越來越熱門那我們也一直在一直在推廣這個就是郵輪的一個旅遊那台灣的這個郵輪的觀光我們看到在疫情後也快速的一個復甦根據這個交通部的一個統計資料2025年郵輪進出港的旅客 |
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預計是可以超過110萬人次創下這個歷史的一個新高那我們也看到就是說我們觀光署的這個郵輪來台旅客統計資料的一個顯示從疫情後到現在台中港沒有任何的郵輪停泊就是至今已經連續7年沒有郵輪靠港所以這邊先請問一下就是說在我們看到亞洲的郵輪市場這麼熱絡為什麼獨露這個台中港 |
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這個是不是請港務公司董事長來回答好 周董事長 |
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跟委員報告一下因為台中港是掛銬港所以它並不是母港然後我們也很努力的在疫情之後也特別去幾個航商 郵輪的郵輪公司那所以我們在明年就這個也確定會進來我們的台中港跟委員報告一下郵輪市場它是有一個市場機制 |
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然後這個也需要有我們很多旅行社地接社然後跟一些景點串接所以還有當然一個很重要就是優惠優惠的措施也是會吸引船公司他希望能夠落點 |
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所以我們在疫情之後台中港也是當作一個重中之重所以我們除了這個持續那尤其是今年我們好幾個幾個團就特別去拜會那我們也希望明年的部分能夠在規劃2027年的時候我們也把台中港這樣子掛號港當作首選所以我想說這個部分我們會持續努力 |
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那另外的話就是光屬他們也有一些郵輪的團科的補助方案那現在我們想說新的一年我想這個光屬他們在研議是不是能夠持續那我們這個部分的話優惠的措施也是持續那也特別跟委員報告一下 |
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是 那就是明年將會有四艘的這個精品級的郵輪來停靠台中港對 那也是去年我們特別拜託航商做一些規劃所以2026年我們很確定的就是有四個航次是 那我們就是台中港這邊都準備好了 |
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是 我們包括了當然有一些是譬如說六月的部分我們還需要跟台中市府這邊做一些洽結那尤其是這個我們講說這個半日遊 一日遊的部分原則上它是半日遊但是我們希望能夠做一些更好 細緻的規劃那已經有一些採線的部分都已經確定了譬如說自然科學博物館還有我們的很有名的這個高美私地 |
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然後一些亮點的這個串接那台中也有很多美食所以我們希望能夠從台中港這邊能夠掛銬之後能夠帶動這些旅遊的旅策就是這個郵輪的觀光當然就是我們港澳公司這邊跟觀光署我們交通部的分工要一起合作那我本期也看了一下觀光署的網站有關這個郵輪觀光 |
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的這個建議的行程就是針對台中港的這樣子一個建議行程有三個行程那我先請問一下署長你對於這樣子的建議行程你覺得有吸引力嗎你覺得這樣滿意嗎 |
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當然還有優化的機會嘛對不對如果說未來有機會再引導到彰化因為彰化的鹿港老街還是非常有魅力的那到包含像我們講的玻璃馬祖廟這塊我覺得對外國人而言我覺得是都極具魅力那希望未來可以把這塊再加進來 |
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是 在建議行程裡面第二個行程是有建議到鹿港老街跟玻璃媽祖廟那是事實上在鹿港這個天后宮也是一個極具代表性的一個信仰中心那也是一個很美的一個建築體因為它是一個歷史古蹟 |
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玻璃廟的話它應該是可以看到我們現在的一個工藝我想這個都是很不錯的一個參觀點我看到明年的四艘郵輪的停靠的時間有半天也有兩天的行程所以就是說在他們靠駁的一個天數有一天兩天或三天的話是不是可以就是說在這個旅遊規劃的行程上 |
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可以就是說在彰化可以有比較多的一個規劃的一個行程這個我們會再來協調就是找因為我們有觀光圈嘛把觀光圈的找來跟旅營社一起來再跑一下線是 |
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跟委員報告一下有一個兩天的那個是有一定會去鹿港會去鹿港因為畢竟從台中港到彰化也要有一點一些這個車程的一個時間所以就是說在停靠的時間如果許可的話我們是希望說盡量能夠把它拉到彰化來因為其實彰化也有很多可以看的不管是就是這個古蹟的就是鹿港這邊的或者是海線的一個觀光或者是山線的觀光我想都有 |
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不錯的一個套裝的一個行程規劃那當然這部分可能就是要請我們觀光署跟地方政府可能要做一個密切的一個討論嘛應該也要聽取一下地方政府的我們在跟地方政府一起合作推出最好的行程 |
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是好那因為我們知道就是說目前停靠台中港就是以中小型的郵輪為主那這樣子的一個郵輪的旅客應該都是會比較屬於希望能夠深度旅遊的一個旅客為主所以我覺得說在這個部分的話針對客群的 |
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特性我們可以做一個更細緻的一個行程一個規劃我想這樣子對我們不管是說對於國外旅客對我們台灣的一個印象可能應該會更好對未來回流的狀況可能也會更好有那個效益在好那接下來本席再請教一下有關這個藍色公路的這個部分 |
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我們看到這個我們推藍色公路應該很多年了那到底有沒有具體的成效我不曉得是不是請署長 這個請葉局長 |
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跟委員報告 那我們國內的這個目前海運的固定航線總共有25條 本島離島是12條 島基間是13條 那每年大概有服務500萬人次的這樣的服務 那委員剛剛提醒就是說我們 |
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如何再進一步提升這個藍色公路的功能還有它觀光的效益那這邊跟委員報告我們在過去幾年有鼓勵業者來新闢新的藍色公路那這邊包括澎湖的南方四島還有布袋東極台北馬祖以及成功綠島這四條是新闢的航線 |
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那另外一部分就是我們今年試辦了這個三條新的航線的叫海洋觀光嘉年華的這樣的活動那這邊包括基隆花蓮還有布袋澎湖金門 |
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那我們希望透過這樣的一個客源的培養來持續提升這個藍色公路觀光的一個效益那另外我們也正在這個承包一個這個比較長中期的一個計畫就是要來建構一艘全國觀光的備援船舶那這個部分現在已經承包計畫當中 |
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是因為我們看到就是如果說我們這個藍色公路是以國內旅客為主那一般我們國內的旅客應該就是搭船就是以運輸就是說交通為主要的一個目的所以要怎樣推動這個海洋的一個觀光我想這個部分就是可能要再多費一些心思是我們可能要結合岸上的遊程甚至在船上的這個搭乘的過程也要有一些有創意的做法 |
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感謝委員 謝謝陳樹業委員歡迎完畢現在請徐欣穎委員徐欣穎委員徐欣穎委員不在現在請游皓委員游皓委員游皓委員不在 |
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做一下說明登記諮詢委員均已發言完畢做一下決定報告及詢討完畢委員吳佩奕 林德福 林倩琦 游浩 王美惠 徐欣穎所提書面諮詢列入紀錄並刊登公報委員於諮詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答覆部分請交通部及相關機關盡速以書面答覆 |
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針對本次會議討論事項做以下決議討論事項一至三個案均定期繼續審查本次會議結束 散會 |