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柯志恩 @ 第11屆第6會期第2次會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:10,000 | 謝謝主席 我們是不是請左院長 |
| 00:00:10,000 | 00:00:12,000 | 麻煩再請左院長備選 |
| 00:00:19,000 | 00:00:20,000 | 各位好 |
| 00:00:20,000 | 00:00:21,000 | 院長好 |
| 00:00:21,000 | 00:00:25,000 | 我想最近幾天台灣對於毒品這樣的議題 |
| 00:00:25,000 | 00:00:29,000 | 不管在我們的社會 在我們政壇都選取非常大的震撼 |
| 00:00:29,000 | 00:00:33,000 | 我想我們對於反毒這個決心沒有模糊的空間 |
| 00:00:33,000 | 00:00:35,000 | 不准他進入校園跟社區 |
| 00:00:35,000 | 00:00:38,000 | 這樣的一個界線我們應該都是守得住的 |
| 00:00:38,000 | 00:00:40,000 | 這是毋庸置疑的對不對 |
| 00:00:40,000 | 00:00:41,000 | 是當然 |
| 00:00:41,000 | 00:00:44,000 | 我想說政府口口實實說是要反毒 |
| 00:00:44,000 | 00:00:46,000 | 然後你也有跨部會的一個防治 |
| 00:00:46,000 | 00:00:52,000 | 但是我們來看看審計部最近所公布的總決算的審核報告裡面 |
| 00:00:52,000 | 00:00:54,000 | 到底是怎麼樣來打臉的 |
| 00:00:54,000 | 00:00:57,000 | 院長我要提醒這不是冷冰冰的數字 |
| 00:00:57,000 | 00:01:01,000 | 這是告訴我們的毒害正在侵入我們的校園 |
| 00:01:01,000 | 00:01:03,000 | 而且快速的蔓延 |
| 00:01:03,000 | 00:01:07,000 | 而且它殘害的下一代這是一個非常迫切的進行式 |
| 00:01:07,000 | 00:01:10,000 | 我們來看一下外服部的統計 |
| 00:01:10,000 | 00:01:13,000 | 我們所通報的我特別指出兒少 |
| 00:01:13,000 | 00:01:16,000 | 兒少使用第一級第二級非常嚴重 |
| 00:01:16,000 | 00:01:17,000 | 第一級第二級的毒品數 |
| 00:01:17,000 | 00:01:22,000 | 從112年的91人現在上升到492 |
| 00:01:22,000 | 00:01:25,000 | 它的增幅是440% |
| 00:01:25,000 | 00:01:31,000 | 而且我更care的是在學的兒少人數是在學校念書的兒少人數 |
| 00:01:31,000 | 00:01:35,000 | 它是從110年的257上升到591 |
| 00:01:35,000 | 00:01:38,000 | 它的增幅是超過129 |
| 00:01:38,000 | 00:01:41,000 | 然後呢兒少使用毒品的問題非常的嚴重 |
| 00:01:41,000 | 00:01:43,000 | 而且我只有指出是一二級 |
| 00:01:43,000 | 00:01:44,000 | 更不要說三四級 |
| 00:01:44,000 | 00:01:46,000 | 那根本就是數字更是可怕 |
| 00:01:46,000 | 00:01:52,000 | 你再來看一下我們再犯的這樣子的通報率也達到將近三成再犯 |
| 00:01:52,000 | 00:01:58,000 | 那這個12歲到18歲少年他們的通報率到這個山層一再的一個沉淪 |
| 00:01:58,000 | 00:02:02,000 | 那我們的關懷我們的跨部會我們的反毒 |
| 00:02:02,000 | 00:02:06,000 | 這麼多的染毒的孩子再回到學校再回到社區 |
| 00:02:06,000 | 00:02:09,000 | 它幾乎是沒有任何可以把它接住的 |
| 00:02:09,000 | 00:02:11,000 | 而且我也去過這個矯正單位 |
| 00:02:11,000 | 00:02:13,000 | 特別是矯正學校去參觀過 |
| 00:02:13,000 | 00:02:18,000 | 他們幾乎是所有入學的孩子大概八成七都是用毒品的部分 |
| 00:02:18,000 | 00:02:20,000 | 而且很多是來自於施工的家庭 |
| 00:02:20,000 | 00:02:25,000 | 我覺得院長這次的數字是不是說明我們目前的反毒的政策 |
| 00:02:25,000 | 00:02:28,000 | 特別是對兒少部分是徹底的一個失敗 |
| 00:02:28,000 | 00:02:31,000 | 反毒的努力是一天都不能停止 |
| 00:02:31,000 | 00:02:36,000 | 我可以提供最新就是禮拜這個禮拜新的一份資料給委員參考 |
| 00:02:36,000 | 00:02:39,000 | 在那個資料裡面詳細數字我現在沒有辦法背起來 |
| 00:02:39,000 | 00:02:45,000 | 但是初犯初犯反毒犯初犯的第一次犯的是下降的 |
| 00:02:45,000 | 00:02:46,000 | 那其他的數字有增加 |
| 00:02:46,000 | 00:02:49,000 | 因為我們增加了很多的唾液的篩檢 |
| 00:02:49,000 | 00:02:51,000 | 很多的增加檢驗的能量 |
| 00:02:51,000 | 00:02:53,000 | 所以提倡是有上升 |
| 00:02:53,000 | 00:02:54,000 | 但初犯是下降的 |
| 00:02:54,000 | 00:02:56,000 | 這個我可以提供給委員參考 |
| 00:02:56,000 | 00:02:57,000 | 可以提供給我參考 |
| 00:02:57,000 | 00:02:59,000 | 但是你知道它整個的一個樣態 |
| 00:02:59,000 | 00:03:02,000 | 因為很多的樣態提出來就是以毒養毒 |
| 00:03:02,000 | 00:03:03,000 | 他們給這些學生 |
| 00:03:03,000 | 00:03:06,000 | 有太多學生在第一線工作做會很清楚 |
| 00:03:06,000 | 00:03:07,000 | 免費誘導他 |
| 00:03:07,000 | 00:03:10,000 | 然後當他沒有辦法有錢的時候 |
| 00:03:10,000 | 00:03:11,000 | 他必須要當他的密封 |
| 00:03:11,000 | 00:03:13,000 | 就是讓他去幫忙送貨 |
| 00:03:14,000 | 00:03:16,000 | 然後呢在班級在同學當中不斷的流竄 |
| 00:03:16,000 | 00:03:19,000 | 而且最重要的是很可惡的 |
| 00:03:19,000 | 00:03:22,000 | 他們完全是利用少年事件處事法 |
| 00:03:22,000 | 00:03:23,000 | 就是少事法的部分 |
| 00:03:23,000 | 00:03:27,000 | 因為這些未成年他有保護的這個部分 |
| 00:03:27,000 | 00:03:28,000 | 而且他也沒有資料 |
| 00:03:28,000 | 00:03:30,000 | 所以呢到時候你抓的都是這些工具人 |
| 00:03:30,000 | 00:03:33,000 | 背後的那些淫汙者沒有辦法 |
| 00:03:33,000 | 00:03:34,000 | 所以這個東西的裡面呢 |
| 00:03:34,000 | 00:03:36,000 | 他們一些面膠收貨發貨 |
| 00:03:36,000 | 00:03:41,000 | 這個東西才會變成我說再犯的比率非常的高 |
| 00:03:41,000 | 00:03:44,000 | 因為這些人學生回到學校裡面之後 |
| 00:03:44,000 | 00:03:47,000 | 他的生活圈還是跳脫不足這個部分 |
| 00:03:47,000 | 00:03:50,000 | 藥頭還有這些生活圈完全一樣 |
| 00:03:50,000 | 00:03:54,000 | 而且院長成人再犯的比率也達到45.9 |
| 00:03:54,000 | 00:03:56,000 | 成人再犯的比率喔 |
| 00:03:56,000 | 00:03:59,000 | 所以你會發現這很多吸毒人就好像一個旋轉門一樣 |
| 00:03:59,000 | 00:04:03,000 | 他們被這個所謂還起訴之後重返社區 |
| 00:04:03,000 | 00:04:07,000 | 然後之後呢沒有這個所謂的處遇 |
| 00:04:07,000 | 00:04:10,000 | 然後也沒有在心理上做一些的支持 |
| 00:04:10,000 | 00:04:13,000 | 所以他們只好跟這些藥頭又綁在一起 |
| 00:04:13,000 | 00:04:15,000 | 然後呢彼此在這個社區當中呢 |
| 00:04:15,000 | 00:04:16,000 | 就像個未爆彈一樣 |
| 00:04:16,000 | 00:04:18,000 | 這就是活生生的一個事實 |
| 00:04:18,000 | 00:04:21,000 | 而且最可怕的是我們現在新型的毒品 |
| 00:04:21,000 | 00:04:22,000 | 伊托米芝 |
| 00:04:22,000 | 00:04:24,000 | 這在社區裡面因為它比較小 |
| 00:04:24,000 | 00:04:25,000 | 而且呢它不容易攜帶 |
| 00:04:25,000 | 00:04:27,000 | 所以你看這數據裡面嘛 |
| 00:04:27,000 | 00:04:28,000 | 去年前九個月 |
| 00:04:28,000 | 00:04:31,000 | 它的查獲的量就暴增了一倍 |
| 00:04:31,000 | 00:04:34,000 | 而且你看毒價撞死警察 |
| 00:04:34,000 | 00:04:35,000 | 撞死一些無辜的家庭 |
| 00:04:35,000 | 00:04:38,000 | 那所造成所少的一個家庭的一個悲劇 |
| 00:04:38,000 | 00:04:40,000 | 而且部長院長我要特別提示 |
| 00:04:40,000 | 00:04:42,000 | 我上次的質詢的時候呢 |
| 00:04:42,000 | 00:04:45,000 | 才從四級伊托米芝才從四級變成三級 |
| 00:04:45,000 | 00:04:47,000 | 到現在為止變成一級 |
| 00:04:47,000 | 00:04:49,000 | 經過了這麼多的時間 |
| 00:04:49,000 | 00:04:50,000 | 死了這麼多人之後 |
| 00:04:50,000 | 00:04:52,000 | 才把酒香提升為一級 |
| 00:04:52,000 | 00:04:56,000 | 而且把唾液的這個快篩劑目前才納入 |
| 00:04:56,000 | 00:04:58,000 | 這個時間已經耗掉太多了 |
| 00:04:58,000 | 00:04:59,000 | 難道這個過程當中 |
| 00:04:59,000 | 00:05:01,000 | 我們政府不應該檢討嗎 |
| 00:05:01,000 | 00:05:03,000 | 提升跟唾液一次 |
| 00:05:03,000 | 00:05:05,000 | 數個月之前就已經納進來了 |
| 00:05:05,000 | 00:05:06,000 | 不是現在 |
| 00:05:06,000 | 00:05:09,000 | 但是我們知道溯源追查源頭是重要的 |
| 00:05:09,000 | 00:05:10,000 | 無論是自毒或販毒 |
| 00:05:10,000 | 00:05:12,000 | 一定把源頭那個抓出來 |
| 00:05:12,000 | 00:05:13,000 | 當然是重要 |
| 00:05:13,000 | 00:05:15,000 | 我再次製作一個過去的例子 |
| 00:05:15,000 | 00:05:18,000 | 這個伊托米芝從那個四級三級 |
| 00:05:18,000 | 00:05:21,000 | 像113年變成從四級變三級 |
| 00:05:21,000 | 00:05:23,000 | 到我們110才變成一級 |
| 00:05:23,000 | 00:05:24,000 | 這個過程當中 |
| 00:05:24,000 | 00:05:25,000 | 整個的速度當中 |
| 00:05:25,000 | 00:05:27,000 | 我提出來是有點太緩慢 |
| 00:05:27,000 | 00:05:29,000 | 這個速度是非常快的 |
| 00:05:29,000 | 00:05:31,000 | 這個伊托米芝是因為我們班南單位 |
| 00:05:31,000 | 00:05:33,000 | 去化學到濫用這些化學物資 |
| 00:05:33,000 | 00:05:36,000 | 而趕緊提出來就做毒品的一個方式 |
| 00:05:36,000 | 00:05:38,000 | 所以說我們在從一年內 |
| 00:05:38,000 | 00:05:42,000 | 一年多從三級變二級 |
| 00:05:42,000 | 00:05:44,000 | 然後半年內從二級變一級 |
| 00:05:44,000 | 00:05:46,000 | 所以這個速度非常快 |
| 00:05:46,000 | 00:05:49,000 | 而且這些對有關毒價的這些部分 |
| 00:05:49,000 | 00:05:50,000 | 我們也就修緩 |
| 00:05:50,000 | 00:05:51,000 | 也在大院 |
| 00:05:51,000 | 00:05:53,000 | 那也都是因為死傷非常多 |
| 00:05:53,000 | 00:05:54,000 | 政府正視這個問題 |
| 00:05:54,000 | 00:05:56,000 | 而且我同意院長你剛剛所提到 |
| 00:05:56,000 | 00:05:58,000 | 我們是正視這個問題 |
| 00:05:58,000 | 00:06:00,000 | 所以我們才速度非常快 |
| 00:06:00,000 | 00:06:01,000 | 還是一樣 |
| 00:06:01,000 | 00:06:04,000 | 所以說這裡面成人的再犯的四乘六 |
| 00:06:04,000 | 00:06:05,000 | 這還是一個非常重要 |
| 00:06:05,000 | 00:06:07,000 | 所以我要求院長你是不是責成 |
| 00:06:07,000 | 00:06:09,000 | 大家在一個月之內 |
| 00:06:09,000 | 00:06:11,000 | 能夠跟我們實質的防堵 |
| 00:06:11,000 | 00:06:13,000 | 跟借銀改善的檢討報告 |
| 00:06:13,000 | 00:06:14,000 | 一個月之內有沒有辦法提出 |
| 00:06:14,000 | 00:06:15,000 | 因為目前為止是非常多 |
| 00:06:15,000 | 00:06:17,000 | 大家非常關心這個問題 |
| 00:06:17,000 | 00:06:20,000 | 其實剛委員報告是現在適用的人口 |
| 00:06:20,000 | 00:06:21,000 | 新生的人口 |
| 00:06:21,000 | 00:06:23,000 | 以及我們再犯的就是一種 |
| 00:06:23,000 | 00:06:25,000 | 層下降的一個趨勢 |
| 00:06:25,000 | 00:06:27,000 | 我們現在已經在犯的 |
| 00:06:27,000 | 00:06:28,000 | 部長你可以有你的說法 |
| 00:06:28,000 | 00:06:31,000 | 四乘六就是擺在那個地方的再犯率 |
| 00:06:31,000 | 00:06:33,000 | 而且我要提出剛好衛福部長也在這個地方 |
| 00:06:33,000 | 00:06:36,000 | 新興毒品的這樣子的一個氾濫 |
| 00:06:36,000 | 00:06:37,000 | 其實一級已經提出警告 |
| 00:06:37,000 | 00:06:39,000 | 過去我們傳統這個 |
| 00:06:39,000 | 00:06:41,000 | 所謂美沙東的替代療法 |
| 00:06:41,000 | 00:06:43,000 | 對於像目前氾濫的這個 |
| 00:06:43,000 | 00:06:44,000 | 有關新興毒品的咖啡包 |
| 00:06:44,000 | 00:06:46,000 | 或是一坨米紙是沒有療效的 |
| 00:06:46,000 | 00:06:49,000 | 所以說衛福部都針對這種新興毒品 |
| 00:06:49,000 | 00:06:52,000 | 目前已經沒有辦法做出太多這部分 |
| 00:06:52,000 | 00:06:54,000 | 有沒有辦法提出具體的社區 |
| 00:06:54,000 | 00:06:55,000 | 藉製醫學指引 |
| 00:06:55,000 | 00:06:56,000 | 有沒有辦法 |
| 00:06:56,000 | 00:06:57,000 | 有有有 |
| 00:06:57,000 | 00:07:01,000 | 跟委員說明過去的美沙東是針對鴉片類 |
| 00:07:01,000 | 00:07:02,000 | 他的一個替代治療 |
| 00:07:02,000 | 00:07:03,000 | 同意對 |
| 00:07:03,000 | 00:07:05,000 | 但是對於多元現在新興的毒品 |
| 00:07:05,000 | 00:07:08,000 | 我們已經有這個多元的藥癮 |
| 00:07:08,000 | 00:07:10,000 | 治療性的社區服務指引 |
| 00:07:10,000 | 00:07:11,000 | 這些已經有出來 |
| 00:07:11,000 | 00:07:12,000 | 什麼時候完成什麼時候給我報告 |
| 00:07:12,000 | 00:07:13,000 | 還是現在已經有 |
| 00:07:13,000 | 00:07:14,000 | 現在已經有 |
| 00:07:14,000 | 00:07:15,000 | 然後呢 |
| 00:07:15,000 | 00:07:17,000 | 已經有六家的民間機構開始 |
| 00:07:17,000 | 00:07:19,000 | 我們已經補助他們在發展 |
| 00:07:19,000 | 00:07:22,000 | 那麼另外也由國衛院發展了 |
| 00:07:22,000 | 00:07:25,000 | 二級毒品的密集式的門診治療指引 |
| 00:07:25,000 | 00:07:26,000 | 我不管怎麼樣 |
| 00:07:26,000 | 00:07:29,000 | 因為現在剛好大家對於毒品的這樣子的 |
| 00:07:29,000 | 00:07:31,000 | 氾濫還有新興毒品的防治的方法 |
| 00:07:31,000 | 00:07:32,000 | 大家都非常的關切 |
| 00:07:32,000 | 00:07:34,000 | 所以院長請你責成 |
| 00:07:34,000 | 00:07:35,000 | 不管是如何 |
| 00:07:35,000 | 00:07:39,000 | 這個社區醫療系統的這樣子的一個所謂的防治的指引 |
| 00:07:39,000 | 00:07:42,000 | 還有包括未來如何能夠避免這些事情發生 |
| 00:07:42,000 | 00:07:44,000 | 我們希望能夠更確實的 |
| 00:07:44,000 | 00:07:46,000 | 素質跟防範的一個方式可以做到吧 |
| 00:07:46,000 | 00:07:49,000 | 可以我們一直有定期的在檢討這個事 |
| 00:07:49,000 | 00:07:51,000 | 我們透過自然匯報等等 |
| 00:07:51,000 | 00:07:54,000 | 都有在檢討這個關於毒品藥癮的問題 |
| 00:07:54,000 | 00:07:58,000 | 那現在委員要求我們把過去的討論出來的重點給委員 |
| 00:07:58,000 | 00:07:59,000 | 報告給委員 |
| 00:07:59,000 | 00:08:02,000 | 同時讓委員知道我們後續還會有什麼發展性 |
| 00:08:02,000 | 00:08:04,000 | 我們希望大家所看到的 |
| 00:08:04,000 | 00:08:07,000 | 我也還是希望能夠用各種的方法把他檢測出來 |
| 00:08:07,000 | 00:08:09,000 | 可是這個數字太觸目驚心 |
| 00:08:09,000 | 00:08:13,000 | 會讓大家懷疑政府在反毒裡面具體的做法 |
| 00:08:13,000 | 00:08:15,000 | 到底有沒有發揮他的成效 |
| 00:08:15,000 | 00:08:18,000 | 好接下來是不是我們就請我們的 |
| 00:08:18,000 | 00:08:22,000 | 我要開始問一下兩位部長可以回座 |
| 00:08:22,000 | 00:08:25,000 | 我現在要開始來問一些有關於碳費的問題 |
| 00:08:25,000 | 00:08:28,000 | 我想碳費自從去年上路到目前為止 |
| 00:08:28,000 | 00:08:32,000 | 5月已經繳納了大概49億了 |
| 00:08:32,000 | 00:08:34,000 | 那我想請問院長部長 |
| 00:08:34,000 | 00:08:37,000 | 這將近50億的碳費的收入 |
| 00:08:37,000 | 00:08:39,000 | 到底要怎麼樣的分配給各縣市 |
| 00:08:39,000 | 00:08:41,000 | 我們高雄到底可以分多少 |
| 00:08:41,000 | 00:08:43,000 | 報告委員這個不是分給各縣市的 |
| 00:08:43,000 | 00:08:45,000 | 是要讓我們產業整體 |
| 00:08:45,000 | 00:08:47,000 | 要減碳減得越多越好 |
| 00:08:47,000 | 00:08:50,000 | 但是你現在告訴我們 |
| 00:08:50,000 | 00:08:51,000 | 現在已經10月了 |
| 00:08:51,000 | 00:08:55,000 | 縣市政府有關於第三期減量的執行方案 |
| 00:08:55,000 | 00:08:59,000 | 目前都已經刊登在你們氣候署的公開平台上面 |
| 00:08:59,000 | 00:09:01,000 | 所以縣市所提報的方案 |
| 00:09:01,000 | 00:09:04,000 | 要多久才有辦法核定完成 |
| 00:09:04,000 | 00:09:08,000 | 而且你們經費評估的標準跟分配的標準 |
| 00:09:08,000 | 00:09:09,000 | 又在什麼地方 |
| 00:09:09,000 | 00:09:12,000 | 報告委員這個其實是從企業來的 |
| 00:09:12,000 | 00:09:15,000 | 那現在企業大概提了2700多個減量方案 |
| 00:09:15,000 | 00:09:17,000 | 它的減碳的量成效 |
| 00:09:17,000 | 00:09:20,000 | 大概可以創造7100億的產值 |
| 00:09:20,000 | 00:09:22,000 | 所以我們大多數的費用是來補助 |
| 00:09:22,000 | 00:09:23,000 | 越能力有減碳的量 |
| 00:09:23,000 | 00:09:25,000 | 不是給縣市政府的 |
| 00:09:25,000 | 00:09:27,000 | 對那好我為什麼要特別提到這個部分 |
| 00:09:27,000 | 00:09:29,000 | 因為你現在所看到的這個角 |
| 00:09:29,000 | 00:09:31,000 | 那碳費的461個廠商當中 |
| 00:09:31,000 | 00:09:33,000 | 高雄大概占20% |
| 00:09:33,000 | 00:09:35,000 | 大概有94個廠 |
| 00:09:35,000 | 00:09:37,000 | 而且就是來自於我們化學原料 |
| 00:09:37,000 | 00:09:40,000 | 藍瓣導體還有合成橡膠等等還有鋼鐵 |
| 00:09:40,000 | 00:09:44,000 | 你會發現這個前十大的碳費角度的狀況當中 |
| 00:09:44,000 | 00:09:46,000 | 又以瓣導體是繳得最多 |
| 00:09:46,000 | 00:09:48,000 | 而且在這個十大行業當中 |
| 00:09:48,000 | 00:09:50,000 | 至少有四大行業是在我們高雄 |
| 00:09:50,000 | 00:09:52,000 | 所以為什麼我關切這個問題 |
| 00:09:52,000 | 00:09:54,000 | 因為你可以看到我們這個產業貢獻很多 |
| 00:09:54,000 | 00:09:57,000 | 那當然你會有這個挹注資源給這邊 |
| 00:09:57,000 | 00:10:00,000 | 然後提供給地方來做為加速減碳的工作 |
| 00:10:00,000 | 00:10:02,000 | 而且就這個部長來說的話 |
| 00:10:02,000 | 00:10:04,000 | 我們可能需要來做到這個部分 |
| 00:10:04,000 | 00:10:07,000 | 大概每年推動這個淨零減碳到500億 |
| 00:10:07,000 | 00:10:10,000 | 那你現在只收到這個49億的話 |
| 00:10:10,000 | 00:10:12,000 | 其實距離還有一大段距離嗎 |
| 00:10:12,000 | 00:10:14,000 | 對我們不希望企業就受到很大的壓力 |
| 00:10:14,000 | 00:10:16,000 | 尤其是在全世界變動當中 |
| 00:10:16,000 | 00:10:18,000 | 那目前由於科技業相對的比較好 |
| 00:10:18,000 | 00:10:20,000 | 所以委員科技業繳得比較多 |
| 00:10:20,000 | 00:10:22,000 | 瓣導體也佔了四成以上 |
| 00:10:22,000 | 00:10:24,000 | 對但是這個部分就是我們看錯了 |
| 00:10:24,000 | 00:10:26,000 | 你目前來說我們碳費一般的費率 |
| 00:10:26,000 | 00:10:28,000 | 大概是一噸三百塊 |
| 00:10:28,000 | 00:10:30,000 | 可是在2030年的時候呢 |
| 00:10:30,000 | 00:10:32,000 | 大概就要變成一千二到一千八 |
| 00:10:32,000 | 00:10:34,000 | 這是很大的一個企業上面的一個負擔 |
| 00:10:34,000 | 00:10:36,000 | 所以呢我為什麼要提出這個問題來說 |
| 00:10:36,000 | 00:10:38,000 | 因為我們受到太多人 |
| 00:10:38,000 | 00:10:40,000 | 受這個碳成本的壓力很大 |
| 00:10:40,000 | 00:10:42,000 | 那有很多我們又需要發展瓣導體 |
| 00:10:42,000 | 00:10:44,000 | 然後特別是我們在場的這個所有的 |
| 00:10:44,000 | 00:10:48,000 | 然後特別是我們在場的這個所謂中鋼石化金屬等等 |
| 00:10:48,000 | 00:10:50,000 | 所以這個減碳的成本對他們來說 |
| 00:10:50,000 | 00:10:52,000 | 是非常大的一個承重嘛 |
| 00:10:52,000 | 00:10:54,000 | 所以我們才說希望你在這個 |
| 00:10:54,000 | 00:10:56,000 | 碳費的收入的部分裡面 |
| 00:10:56,000 | 00:10:59,000 | 能夠夠考量到我們高雄的產業的一個結構 |
| 00:10:59,000 | 00:11:02,000 | 給予我們這個減碳的負擔上面 |
| 00:11:02,000 | 00:11:04,000 | 起碼讓大家壓力可以稍微減低 |
| 00:11:04,000 | 00:11:06,000 | 而且可以對於一些 |
| 00:11:06,000 | 00:11:08,000 | 需要來做這樣的一個中小企業裡面 |
| 00:11:08,000 | 00:11:10,000 | 碳費的配合上面 |
| 00:11:10,000 | 00:11:12,000 | 能夠讓這個進行低碳的轉型的輔導 |
| 00:11:12,000 | 00:11:14,000 | 這才是我們大家共同希望的吧 |
| 00:11:14,000 | 00:11:16,000 | 這是我真的提出來這個目標 |
| 00:11:16,000 | 00:11:18,000 | 謝謝委員這個其實我們針對企業的補助 |
| 00:11:18,000 | 00:11:20,000 | 大概佔了所有的費用大概一半 |
| 00:11:20,000 | 00:11:22,000 | 包含利息的補貼 |
| 00:11:22,000 | 00:11:24,000 | 所以他不是給地方政府做建設 |
| 00:11:24,000 | 00:11:26,000 | 是給企業能夠給實際的減碳為主 |
| 00:11:26,000 | 00:11:28,000 | 但是你還是要回歸到既然是我們繳的 |
| 00:11:28,000 | 00:11:30,000 | 所以你也希望回歸到這個縣市裡面的企業 |
| 00:11:30,000 | 00:11:32,000 | 來做這樣子的一個處理 |
| 00:11:32,000 | 00:11:34,000 | 我個人覺得這樣才是比較公平嘛 |
| 00:11:34,000 | 00:11:36,000 | 沒錯但是他還是回到企業的身上 |
| 00:11:36,000 | 00:11:38,000 | 並不是給地方政府 |
| 00:11:38,000 | 00:11:40,000 | 拿來做建設的 |
| 00:11:40,000 | 00:11:42,000 | 所以像收了50億根據你剛剛說 |
| 00:11:42,000 | 00:11:44,000 | 一年要500億喔 |
| 00:11:44,000 | 00:11:46,000 | 我覺得這個非常大的一個落差 |
| 00:11:46,000 | 00:11:48,000 | 我沒有500億是以前還要碳稅的時候 |
| 00:11:48,000 | 00:11:50,000 | 事實上 |
| 00:11:50,000 | 00:11:52,000 | 碳定價其實要從有 |
| 00:11:52,000 | 00:11:54,000 | 才能開始慢慢變好 |
| 00:11:54,000 | 00:11:56,000 | 所以我們沒有那麼快 |
| 00:11:56,000 | 00:11:58,000 | 總而言之我們那麼多的產業都在高雄 |
| 00:11:58,000 | 00:12:00,000 | 我們還是希望在這個訂立的標準上面 |
| 00:12:00,000 | 00:12:02,000 | 能夠回歸到我們這邊的縣市場的一個機制 |
| 00:12:02,000 | 00:12:04,000 | 我們的企業 |
| 00:12:04,000 | 00:12:06,000 | 我們的企業而不是用在別的地方 |
| 00:12:06,000 | 00:12:08,000 | 那接下來我要問一下興達 |
| 00:12:08,000 | 00:12:10,000 | 你可以回座了 |
| 00:12:10,000 | 00:12:12,000 | 我們現在來問一下這個興達的部分 |
| 00:12:12,000 | 00:12:14,000 | 這個院長我還是要提醒你 |
| 00:12:14,000 | 00:12:16,000 | 我上次也是在這邊提出我的疑問 |
| 00:12:16,000 | 00:12:18,000 | 因為當初台電承諾 |
| 00:12:18,000 | 00:12:20,000 | 在我們的興達這個部分 |
| 00:12:20,000 | 00:12:22,000 | 要以氣換煤 |
| 00:12:22,000 | 00:12:24,000 | 舊機要除液 |
| 00:12:24,000 | 00:12:26,000 | 那我們都會非常全力的配合 |
| 00:12:26,000 | 00:12:28,000 | 而且結果換來的是 |
| 00:12:28,000 | 00:12:30,000 | 四部燃煤 |
| 00:12:30,000 | 00:12:32,000 | 變成緊急備用 |
| 00:12:32,000 | 00:12:34,000 | 五部舊的燃氣 |
| 00:12:34,000 | 00:12:36,000 | 還要再延一十年 |
| 00:12:36,000 | 00:12:38,000 | 上次我問過院長 |
| 00:12:38,000 | 00:12:40,000 | 請給我一個拆除計畫的時程 |
| 00:12:40,000 | 00:12:42,000 | 院長也說好 |
| 00:12:42,000 | 00:12:44,000 | 但是這個燃煤 |
| 00:12:44,000 | 00:12:46,000 | 拆除的時程 |
| 00:12:46,000 | 00:12:48,000 | 到底計畫到哪裡了 |
| 00:12:48,000 | 00:12:50,000 | 院長你大概忘記我跟你提出的要求 |
| 00:12:50,000 | 00:12:52,000 | 不會 |
| 00:12:52,000 | 00:12:54,000 | 高雄跟台中的問題我們一樣的重視 |
| 00:12:54,000 | 00:12:56,000 | 那就實際上來講 |
| 00:12:56,000 | 00:12:58,000 | 我們現在先把台中從10月1號開始 |
| 00:12:58,000 | 00:13:00,000 | 他的第一座 |
| 00:13:00,000 | 00:13:02,000 | 燃煤機組 |
| 00:13:02,000 | 00:13:04,000 | 好啦但是院長你上次答應我 |
| 00:13:04,000 | 00:13:06,000 | 你是不是不除液到底什麼時候全部拆除 |
| 00:13:06,000 | 00:13:08,000 | 你可以告訴我煤的部分 |
| 00:13:08,000 | 00:13:10,000 | 高雄因為產業發展的極快 |
| 00:13:10,000 | 00:13:12,000 | 我們必須先以氣換煤 |
| 00:13:12,000 | 00:13:14,000 | 以氣換煤之後才能討論到說 |
| 00:13:14,000 | 00:13:16,000 | 如何把舊燃煤機組 |
| 00:13:16,000 | 00:13:18,000 | 可以把它拆除 |
| 00:13:18,000 | 00:13:20,000 | 重點就是你可以看看這個數據 |
| 00:13:20,000 | 00:13:22,000 | 我們備用的效益說實在的 |
| 00:13:22,000 | 00:13:24,000 | 其實是蠻低的 |
| 00:13:24,000 | 00:13:26,000 | 我們看一下就知道而且你幹嘛留著造成恐慌 |
| 00:13:26,000 | 00:13:28,000 | 你看緊急備用機組啟用門檻 |
| 00:13:28,000 | 00:13:30,000 | 很嚴格非常嚴格 |
| 00:13:30,000 | 00:13:32,000 | 但是一年到底可以發多少 |
| 00:13:32,000 | 00:13:34,000 | 我們未來新達的新舊燃氣共10部 |
| 00:13:34,000 | 00:13:36,000 | 容量可以超過8700的 |
| 00:13:36,000 | 00:13:38,000 | 那個 |
| 00:13:38,000 | 00:13:40,000 | 那個 |
| 00:13:40,000 | 00:13:42,000 | 電量系是夠的 |
| 00:13:42,000 | 00:13:44,000 | 那少了這幾部燃煤 |
| 00:13:44,000 | 00:13:46,000 | 不太影響到我們的供電 |
| 00:13:46,000 | 00:13:48,000 | 那你幹嘛不拆 |
| 00:13:48,000 | 00:13:50,000 | 我們家都已經夠了為什麼不拆 |
| 00:13:50,000 | 00:13:52,000 | 到時候留一個畫面給人家再看 |
| 00:13:52,000 | 00:13:54,000 | 那麼高的這個不在 |
| 00:13:54,000 | 00:13:56,000 | 還是要增加他用電的需求跟韌性安全 |
| 00:13:56,000 | 00:13:58,000 | 韌性跟安全還是必要的 |
| 00:13:58,000 | 00:14:00,000 | 可是上次你同意大家 |
| 00:14:00,000 | 00:14:02,000 | 你同意大家說我們很負責任的 |
| 00:14:02,000 | 00:14:04,000 | 可以來告訴大家說 |
| 00:14:04,000 | 00:14:06,000 | 我們真的是要來 |
| 00:14:06,000 | 00:14:08,000 | 做這樣的一個處理 |
| 00:14:08,000 | 00:14:10,000 | 鄉親在那邊等 |
| 00:14:10,000 | 00:14:12,000 | 等到廢話 |
| 00:14:12,000 | 00:14:14,000 | 廢話你給延長10年 |
| 00:14:14,000 | 00:14:16,000 | 然後呢我也同意說我們這個 |
| 00:14:16,000 | 00:14:18,000 | 高科技產業的一個需求 |
| 00:14:18,000 | 00:14:20,000 | 但是呢早該探監你把它延到2037 |
| 00:14:20,000 | 00:14:22,000 | 然後就算台電 |
| 00:14:22,000 | 00:14:24,000 | 充這個總量的底換 |
| 00:14:24,000 | 00:14:26,000 | 然後地方也很明白的這樣子的宰民 |
| 00:14:26,000 | 00:14:28,000 | 但是對鄉親來說他們還是會 |
| 00:14:28,000 | 00:14:30,000 | 好啦那我們就替一部想了 |
| 00:14:30,000 | 00:14:32,000 | 幫他們說一下話好不好我們搜集了這個意見 |
| 00:14:32,000 | 00:14:34,000 | 那是不是我們承受的 |
| 00:14:34,000 | 00:14:36,000 | 吞了幾十年的這個廢氣 |
| 00:14:36,000 | 00:14:38,000 | 起碼給代表鄉親提出比較大的 |
| 00:14:38,000 | 00:14:40,000 | 一個訴求啦 |
| 00:14:40,000 | 00:14:42,000 | 增列這個研議特別的補償 |
| 00:14:42,000 | 00:14:44,000 | 保障我們像既有的六區的 |
| 00:14:44,000 | 00:14:46,000 | 回饋不要縮水 |
| 00:14:46,000 | 00:14:48,000 | 還有呢我們調高我們燃氣電血的 |
| 00:14:48,000 | 00:14:50,000 | 電血基金的這個 |
| 00:14:50,000 | 00:14:52,000 | 這個費率可不可以 |
| 00:14:52,000 | 00:14:54,000 | 已經你要跟人家言辭 |
| 00:14:54,000 | 00:14:56,000 | 總要給人家一些更多的一個補償 |
| 00:14:56,000 | 00:14:58,000 | 所以這個訴求沒有辦法達到啦 |
| 00:14:58,000 | 00:15:00,000 | 首先我知道台電已經用了相當大的 |
| 00:15:00,000 | 00:15:02,000 | 經費來從事它核心的進化 |
| 00:15:02,000 | 00:15:04,000 | 未來整個排放 |
| 00:15:04,000 | 00:15:06,000 | 會降低五成左右 |
| 00:15:06,000 | 00:15:08,000 | 那這個已經會對當地的 |
| 00:15:08,000 | 00:15:10,000 | 這個空氣造成比較好的一個協助 |
| 00:15:10,000 | 00:15:12,000 | 幫助了好我們電血基金的部分 |
| 00:15:12,000 | 00:15:14,000 | 也會跟附近的這些里民為 |
| 00:15:14,000 | 00:15:16,000 | 互相溝通一定會有一個 |
| 00:15:16,000 | 00:15:18,000 | 也會給他們一個 |
| 00:15:18,000 | 00:15:20,000 | 因為人家本來認為說就可以 |
| 00:15:20,000 | 00:15:22,000 | 那個完全以氣代美 |
| 00:15:22,000 | 00:15:24,000 | 然後說可以全部弄完 |
| 00:15:24,000 | 00:15:26,000 | 是報告委員 |
| 00:15:26,000 | 00:15:28,000 | 因為現在電力的發展高雄的確是 |
| 00:15:28,000 | 00:15:30,000 | 電力比較充足 |
| 00:15:30,000 | 00:15:32,000 | 所以很多的產業現在也都進駐到高雄 |
| 00:15:32,000 | 00:15:34,000 | 是因為它這個也是帶來 |
| 00:15:34,000 | 00:15:36,000 | 比較正面的一些好處 |
| 00:15:36,000 | 00:15:38,000 | 沒有問題啊我們非常的歡迎啊 |
| 00:15:38,000 | 00:15:40,000 | 但是我就說應該有更科技的方法 |
| 00:15:40,000 | 00:15:42,000 | 來那個煤的部分已經有點過時了 |
| 00:15:42,000 | 00:15:44,000 | 所以說我才說 |
| 00:15:44,000 | 00:15:46,000 | 是否可以用更多的 |
| 00:15:46,000 | 00:15:48,000 | 氣來代替煤 |
| 00:15:48,000 | 00:15:50,000 | 所以為什麼轉備用 |
| 00:15:50,000 | 00:15:52,000 | 基本上就是飛到緊急 |
| 00:15:52,000 | 00:15:54,000 | 基本上是不用的啦 |
| 00:15:54,000 | 00:15:56,000 | 我就跟你說備用就是老黨要給人家 |
| 00:15:56,000 | 00:15:58,000 | 就是留了一個口舌 |
| 00:15:58,000 | 00:16:00,000 | 而且你們那個表情激動了 |
| 00:16:00,000 | 00:16:02,000 | 它有一定的條件程序時間的限制 |
| 00:16:02,000 | 00:16:04,000 | 你很嚴苛嘛對不對 |
| 00:16:04,000 | 00:16:06,000 | 然後你這樣加起來我幫你算過了 |
| 00:16:06,000 | 00:16:08,000 | 其實是夠的那何必留了一個尾巴 |
| 00:16:08,000 | 00:16:10,000 | 在那個地方 |
| 00:16:10,000 | 00:16:12,000 | 那就增加韌性 |
| 00:16:12,000 | 00:16:14,000 | 燃氣的部分已經用了高達 |
| 00:16:14,000 | 00:16:16,000 | 125億來降低它的排放 |
| 00:16:16,000 | 00:16:18,000 | 目標可以降低五倍 |
| 00:16:18,000 | 00:16:20,000 | 那就是在跟台電號跟地方居民 |
| 00:16:20,000 | 00:16:22,000 | 交通清楚然後答應人家要研議的 |
| 00:16:22,000 | 00:16:24,000 | 然後到2037年就好好把它 |
| 00:16:24,000 | 00:16:26,000 | 廢除啦這就是我的 |
| 00:16:26,000 | 00:16:28,000 | 我的要求啦好不好 |
| 00:16:28,000 | 00:16:30,000 | 我們再跟經濟部門台電 |
| 00:16:30,000 | 00:16:32,000 | 詳細的來核算未來的時程 |
| 00:16:32,000 | 00:16:34,000 | 接下來謝謝我們部長 |
| 00:16:34,000 | 00:16:36,000 | 我現在在最後的時間 |
| 00:16:36,000 | 00:16:38,000 | 我來問一下我們有關於高雄24小時 |
| 00:16:38,000 | 00:16:40,000 | 新國際機場的問題 |
| 00:16:40,000 | 00:16:42,000 | 我們應該是請我們的交通部來 |
| 00:16:42,000 | 00:16:44,000 | 交通部長請交通部長備詢 |
| 00:16:50,000 | 00:16:52,000 | 委員好 |
| 00:16:52,000 | 00:16:54,000 | 我想在選舉到了 |
| 00:16:54,000 | 00:16:56,000 | 每個人對於很多的政見 |
| 00:16:56,000 | 00:16:58,000 | 我認為說還要非常的實質 |
| 00:16:58,000 | 00:17:00,000 | 在討論不能畫大餅要非常的 |
| 00:17:00,000 | 00:17:02,000 | 一個務實那我想對於剛剛 |
| 00:17:02,000 | 00:17:04,000 | 大家都提到了我們我們店 |
| 00:17:04,000 | 00:17:06,000 | 夠那也就是因為這樣有非常 |
| 00:17:06,000 | 00:17:08,000 | 多的科技產業都要選擇 |
| 00:17:08,000 | 00:17:10,000 | 選擇在高雄但是大家面臨一個問題 |
| 00:17:10,000 | 00:17:12,000 | 我想部長也聽了非常地多了 |
| 00:17:12,000 | 00:17:14,000 | 就是高雄面臨這麼樣子這個 |
| 00:17:14,000 | 00:17:16,000 | 產業要突破我們認為交通 |
| 00:17:16,000 | 00:17:18,000 | 是非常的重要的所以 |
| 00:17:18,000 | 00:17:20,000 | 每個人幾乎都認為說要有一座 |
| 00:17:20,000 | 00:17:22,000 | 沒有宵禁能夠支援 |
| 00:17:22,000 | 00:17:24,000 | 半導體而且供應鏈 |
| 00:17:24,000 | 00:17:26,000 | 討論24小時的國際機場 |
| 00:17:26,000 | 00:17:28,000 | 對不對這是你都可以聽到非常 |
| 00:17:28,000 | 00:17:30,000 | 多人的聲音我必須要說 |
| 00:17:30,000 | 00:17:32,000 | 目前的市長是公開 |
| 00:17:32,000 | 00:17:34,000 | 主張南新計劃要填海 |
| 00:17:34,000 | 00:17:36,000 | 這個造路的最佳的方案 |
| 00:17:36,000 | 00:17:38,000 | 事實上在之前韓國瑜 |
| 00:17:38,000 | 00:17:40,000 | 當時院長那時候選市長 |
| 00:17:40,000 | 00:17:42,000 | 的時候也提出了南新的計劃 |
| 00:17:42,000 | 00:17:44,000 | 只是那時候被所有的綠營議員 |
| 00:17:44,000 | 00:17:46,000 | 同樣的東西 |
| 00:17:46,000 | 00:17:48,000 | 同樣的東西同樣的計劃 |
| 00:17:48,000 | 00:17:50,000 | 過了八年之後這個 |
| 00:17:50,000 | 00:17:52,000 | 陳其邁提出這個意見的時候 |
| 00:17:52,000 | 00:17:54,000 | 交通部終於正式的我們就 |
| 00:17:54,000 | 00:17:56,000 | 好好來討論這個問題 |
| 00:17:56,000 | 00:17:58,000 | 只要能夠讓高雄好沒有 |
| 00:17:58,000 | 00:18:00,000 | 分任何黨派我們就是好好的 |
| 00:18:00,000 | 00:18:02,000 | 務實來做這樣一個處理 |
| 00:18:02,000 | 00:18:04,000 | 然後我們市府其實委託國外的 |
| 00:18:04,000 | 00:18:06,000 | 顧問已經出過評估已經出爐了 |
| 00:18:06,000 | 00:18:08,000 | 但是交通部 |
| 00:18:08,000 | 00:18:10,000 | 也是處處在對於他的這個 |
| 00:18:10,000 | 00:18:12,000 | 提出的部分我現在想問交通 |
| 00:18:12,000 | 00:18:14,000 | 部的一個態度到底是如何 |
| 00:18:14,000 | 00:18:16,000 | 聽起來好像中央跟地方 |
| 00:18:16,000 | 00:18:18,000 | 各吹各的掉 |
| 00:18:18,000 | 00:18:20,000 | 到底目前我們的新機場評估到底到什麼地方 |
| 00:18:20,000 | 00:18:22,000 | 評估的進度到什麼 |
| 00:18:22,000 | 00:18:24,000 | 交通部說自己在評估 |
| 00:18:24,000 | 00:18:26,000 | 那部長你們現在評估到底是如何 |
| 00:18:26,000 | 00:18:28,000 | 像委員報告從民國 |
| 00:18:28,000 | 00:18:30,000 | 80年開始其實我們交通部 |
| 00:18:30,000 | 00:18:32,000 | 有做過十幾次的 |
| 00:18:32,000 | 00:18:34,000 | 這個評估也都有報告的 |
| 00:18:34,000 | 00:18:36,000 | 計畫那現在在評估 |
| 00:18:36,000 | 00:18:38,000 | 的這個南新計劃其實幾個 |
| 00:18:38,000 | 00:18:40,000 | 部分一方面我們要先去 |
| 00:18:40,000 | 00:18:42,000 | 評估說填海的時程大概要 |
| 00:18:42,000 | 00:18:44,000 | 多久那二方面是 |
| 00:18:44,000 | 00:18:46,000 | 未來的整體的風向因為填到 |
| 00:18:46,000 | 00:18:48,000 | 外海之後的風向也要遲遲 |
| 00:18:48,000 | 00:18:50,000 | 洋流填海還有造成 |
| 00:18:50,000 | 00:18:52,000 | 一些空域的這個所謂的衝突我們 |
| 00:18:52,000 | 00:18:54,000 | 都知道我看到你報告寫得非常清楚 |
| 00:18:54,000 | 00:18:56,000 | 但是對於南部的24小時 |
| 00:18:56,000 | 00:18:58,000 | 的機場其實院長也有指示 |
| 00:18:58,000 | 00:19:00,000 | 我們一方面現在舊的機場 |
| 00:19:00,000 | 00:19:02,000 | 先880億的整建計畫先把它 |
| 00:19:02,000 | 00:19:04,000 | 做好讓它效率提高二方面 |
| 00:19:04,000 | 00:19:06,000 | 我們要認真去評估這個24 |
| 00:19:06,000 | 00:19:08,000 | 小時的機場未來 |
| 00:19:08,000 | 00:19:10,000 | 南新也是其中 |
| 00:19:10,000 | 00:19:12,000 | 一個計畫之一 |
| 00:19:12,000 | 00:19:14,000 | 因為我知道高雄市政府自己 |
| 00:19:14,000 | 00:19:16,000 | 有做一個評估報告那我們現在 |
| 00:19:16,000 | 00:19:18,000 | 會跟高雄市政府好好的看一下 |
| 00:19:18,000 | 00:19:20,000 | 它目前的評估報告的狀況 |
| 00:19:20,000 | 00:19:22,000 | 還沒看清楚大家都已經催到 |
| 00:19:22,000 | 00:19:24,000 | 不知道哪裡去的我先跟你報告一下 |
| 00:19:24,000 | 00:19:26,000 | 你剛好這個國發會剛 |
| 00:19:26,000 | 00:19:28,000 | 通過的2045機場系統的規劃 |
| 00:19:28,000 | 00:19:30,000 | 你還是以舊的 |
| 00:19:30,000 | 00:19:32,000 | 小港機場來為主這好像 |
| 00:19:32,000 | 00:19:34,000 | 聽起來就變成2045年前 |
| 00:19:34,000 | 00:19:36,000 | 2045年前 |
| 00:19:36,000 | 00:19:38,000 | 高雄不可能有新的機場 |
| 00:19:38,000 | 00:19:40,000 | 所以你先告訴我說評估 |
| 00:19:40,000 | 00:19:42,000 | 要不要弄給我們軟丁子 |
| 00:19:42,000 | 00:19:44,000 | 我們這個評估是20年後 |
| 00:19:44,000 | 00:19:46,000 | 但我們每5年都會滾動 |
| 00:19:46,000 | 00:19:48,000 | 再檢討一次所以說20年之內 |
| 00:19:48,000 | 00:19:50,000 | 有沒有可能讓南新 |
| 00:19:50,000 | 00:19:52,000 | 就再評估這就是我說的 |
| 00:19:52,000 | 00:19:54,000 | 一個語言因為小港 |
| 00:19:54,000 | 00:19:56,000 | 機場受限在宵境的天花板 |
| 00:19:56,000 | 00:19:58,000 | 這個宵境 |
| 00:19:58,000 | 00:20:00,000 | 沒有辦法解除我們沒有辦法 |
| 00:20:00,000 | 00:20:02,000 | 撐起大南方的這個產業 |
| 00:20:02,000 | 00:20:04,000 | 我也知道我們提了這個880 |
| 00:20:04,000 | 00:20:06,000 | 880億已經要蓋這個航廈 |
| 00:20:06,000 | 00:20:08,000 | 然後也號稱可以容納 |
| 00:20:08,000 | 00:20:10,000 | 1650萬人次但是 |
| 00:20:10,000 | 00:20:12,000 | 半夜宵境如果完全 |
| 00:20:12,000 | 00:20:14,000 | 沒有辦法去突破的話 |
| 00:20:14,000 | 00:20:16,000 | 我說實在的高科技的 |
| 00:20:16,000 | 00:20:18,000 | 貨運我們這個供應鏈 |
| 00:20:18,000 | 00:20:20,000 | 通常都是在凌晨運轉或是 |
| 00:20:20,000 | 00:20:22,000 | 深夜這是過去 |
| 00:20:22,000 | 00:20:24,000 | 世界各國的一個方式所以 |
| 00:20:24,000 | 00:20:26,000 | 我們只要告訴我們 |
| 00:20:26,000 | 00:20:28,000 | 我們如果說是宵境的問題沒有辦法 |
| 00:20:28,000 | 00:20:30,000 | 解決我們怎麼撐得起我們 |
| 00:20:30,000 | 00:20:32,000 | 未來整個產業的發展這是 |
| 00:20:32,000 | 00:20:34,000 | 我們在撥那你現在告訴我部分都是在評估評估 |
| 00:20:34,000 | 00:20:36,000 | 我聽了非常多評估 |
| 00:20:36,000 | 00:20:38,000 | 從過去到現在都在評估 |
| 00:20:38,000 | 00:20:40,000 | 換了部長之後是不是可以稍微快一點 |
| 00:20:40,000 | 00:20:42,000 | 蓋一個機場要重藏記憶 |
| 00:20:42,000 | 00:20:44,000 | 那是很長的一個時間你剛剛提到的 |
| 00:20:44,000 | 00:20:46,000 | 80年代就已經開始在講了 |
| 00:20:46,000 | 00:20:48,000 | 是當時有找過一些地點 |
| 00:20:48,000 | 00:20:50,000 | 但是每一個地方大家不一定 |
| 00:20:50,000 | 00:20:52,000 | 同意有了明妥啊靠近什麼 |
| 00:20:52,000 | 00:20:54,000 | 我們都知道是你會靠近 |
| 00:20:54,000 | 00:20:56,000 | 那個台南的也有都 |
| 00:20:56,000 | 00:20:58,000 | 提到所以到目前為止我們所 |
| 00:20:58,000 | 00:21:00,000 | 聽到的也都還是在評估 |
| 00:21:00,000 | 00:21:02,000 | 部長就是讓南部的鄉親覺得是比較 |
| 00:21:02,000 | 00:21:04,000 | 受挫的永遠都在評估 |
| 00:21:04,000 | 00:21:06,000 | 我也非常感恩你們提了 |
| 00:21:06,000 | 00:21:08,000 | 880億這樣子對於小港 |
| 00:21:08,000 | 00:21:10,000 | 所以很顯然你們目標 |
| 00:21:10,000 | 00:21:12,000 | 都是放在既有的小港的 |
| 00:21:12,000 | 00:21:14,000 | 新航廈 |
| 00:21:14,000 | 00:21:16,000 | 未來24小時的機場我們是開放 |
| 00:21:16,000 | 00:21:18,000 | 而且是正面的態度 |
| 00:21:18,000 | 00:21:20,000 | 所以過去才會不斷評估但這必須 |
| 00:21:20,000 | 00:21:22,000 | 要跟地方政府來溝通 |
| 00:21:22,000 | 00:21:24,000 | 要跟地方來溝通例如說您剛剛所提的 |
| 00:21:24,000 | 00:21:26,000 | 明妥那地方同不同意 |
| 00:21:26,000 | 00:21:28,000 | 蓋在明妥這是一個問題 |
| 00:21:28,000 | 00:21:30,000 | 現在又提出了南新計畫 |
| 00:21:30,000 | 00:21:32,000 | 南新計畫我們要詳細去評估 |
| 00:21:32,000 | 00:21:34,000 | 我剛剛有跟委員報告過 |
| 00:21:34,000 | 00:21:36,000 | 裡面有洋流的問題有風向的問題 |
| 00:21:36,000 | 00:21:38,000 | 我們都很清楚所以說 |
| 00:21:38,000 | 00:21:40,000 | 所以你還在繼續評估下去 |
| 00:21:40,000 | 00:21:42,000 | 因為這個填海的時間也是要 |
| 00:21:42,000 | 00:21:44,000 | 計算估算好之後 |
| 00:21:44,000 | 00:21:46,000 | 你才能夠去做後面的計畫 |
| 00:21:46,000 | 00:21:48,000 | 跟委員一句話當時陳世凱 |
| 00:21:48,000 | 00:21:50,000 | 還不是部長的時候我跟李孟元 |
| 00:21:50,000 | 00:21:52,000 | 部長就高雄 |
| 00:21:52,000 | 00:21:54,000 | 這個機場我們算是有兩個命題 |
| 00:21:54,000 | 00:21:56,000 | 一個是24小時的機場 |
| 00:21:56,000 | 00:21:58,000 | 那找24小時機場的時候 |
| 00:21:58,000 | 00:22:00,000 | 880億的小港機場要不要擴建 |
| 00:22:00,000 | 00:22:02,000 | 這兩個要不要同時存在 |
| 00:22:02,000 | 00:22:04,000 | 所以你們是並行嗎不是前後接續嗎 |
| 00:22:04,000 | 00:22:06,000 | 是兩個應該是並行的做一個決議 |
| 00:22:06,000 | 00:22:08,000 | 對那時候我決定說因為那個填海還有 |
| 00:22:08,000 | 00:22:10,000 | 尋找地點非常難用地取得 |
| 00:22:10,000 | 00:22:12,000 | 還有它的空域的開放 |
| 00:22:12,000 | 00:22:14,000 | 我們都知道這很困難 |
| 00:22:14,000 | 00:22:16,000 | 但是既然高雄市政府已經進行這個評估 |
| 00:22:16,000 | 00:22:18,000 | 小港機場的擴建不得不先行 |
| 00:22:18,000 | 00:22:20,000 | 當然啦所以我說你們是並行 |
| 00:22:20,000 | 00:22:22,000 | 不如前後接續呢 |
| 00:22:22,000 | 00:22:24,000 | 我們只是說真的要發動 |
| 00:22:24,000 | 00:22:26,000 | 整個大南方要需要做這個 |
| 00:22:26,000 | 00:22:28,000 | 宵禁的問題如果不解決的話 |
| 00:22:28,000 | 00:22:30,000 | 說實在我們都會被受限 |
| 00:22:30,000 | 00:22:32,000 | 那個就是我們一個非常極限的 |
| 00:22:32,000 | 00:22:34,000 | 天花板所以呢我們樂見 |
| 00:22:34,000 | 00:22:36,000 | 小港機場有881 |
| 00:22:36,000 | 00:22:38,000 | 我們更希望大港機場 |
| 00:22:38,000 | 00:22:40,000 | 也可以快速我們不要小港 |
| 00:22:40,000 | 00:22:42,000 | 我們要大港好不好 |
| 00:22:42,000 | 00:22:44,000 | 這個還是希望能夠好好來做一個 |
| 00:22:44,000 | 00:22:46,000 | 這張名實在是太久了 |
| 00:22:46,000 | 00:22:48,000 | 所以說你說滾動是會不會滾動到什麼時候 |
| 00:22:48,000 | 00:22:50,000 | 我希望以後我們有南北 |
| 00:22:50,000 | 00:22:52,000 | 雙空港一定要的啊 |
| 00:22:52,000 | 00:22:54,000 | 另外台中還有一個新機場 |
| 00:22:54,000 | 00:22:56,000 | 謝謝喔對對對反正小港有了 |
| 00:22:56,000 | 00:22:58,000 | 我們也希望有個大港啦 |
| 00:22:58,000 | 00:23:00,000 | 投資希望說這個部分裡面 |
| 00:23:00,000 | 00:23:02,000 | 審慎評估到目前為止是兩岸並行 |
| 00:23:02,000 | 00:23:04,000 | 然後這個評估我們也不希望 |
| 00:23:04,000 | 00:23:06,000 | 只能到20年或是這麼久的時間 |
| 00:23:06,000 | 00:23:08,000 | 否則我們即使有這麼大的一個所謂的挑戰 |
| 00:23:08,000 | 00:23:10,000 | 但是呢如果這個部分 |
| 00:23:10,000 | 00:23:12,000 | 宵禁的問題沒有辦法解決的話 |
| 00:23:12,000 | 00:23:14,000 | 我覺得這個東西都會讓我們的產業 |
| 00:23:14,000 | 00:23:16,000 | 受到很大的影響 |
| 00:23:16,000 | 00:23:18,000 | 我希望部長能夠 |
| 00:23:18,000 | 00:23:20,000 | 把這個滾動能夠 |
| 00:23:20,000 | 00:23:22,000 | 把這個滾動能夠滾快一點好不好 |
| 00:23:22,000 | 00:23:24,000 | 沒問題 |
| 00:23:24,000 | 00:23:26,000 | 好那接下來呢我們還是要問到一個 |
| 00:23:26,000 | 00:23:28,000 | 前鎮的漁港的這個問題 |
| 00:23:28,000 | 00:23:30,000 | 因為上一次有非常多 |
| 00:23:30,000 | 00:23:32,000 | 前鎮漁港應該是請我們的農業部過來吧 |
| 00:23:32,000 | 00:23:34,000 | 農業部長請 |
| 00:23:34,000 | 00:23:36,000 | 謝謝 |
| 00:23:36,000 | 00:23:38,000 | 其實 |
| 00:23:38,000 | 00:23:40,000 | 好我就 |
| 00:23:44,000 | 00:23:46,000 | 其實我還是想說 |
| 00:23:46,000 | 00:23:48,000 | 能夠把這個錢81億 |
| 00:23:48,000 | 00:23:50,000 | 放在我們的前鎮漁港 |
| 00:23:50,000 | 00:23:52,000 | 讓他被看到 |
| 00:23:52,000 | 00:23:54,000 | 然後遠洋的這樣子的一個 |
| 00:23:54,000 | 00:23:56,000 | 我們很需要的因為這是我們一個很大的主項 |
| 00:23:56,000 | 00:23:58,000 | 然後考慮到漁工的人權問題 |
| 00:23:58,000 | 00:24:00,000 | 沒有任何的問題 |
| 00:24:00,000 | 00:24:02,000 | 但是無可否認的因為你花的這些錢 |
| 00:24:02,000 | 00:24:04,000 | 仍然是有一些 |
| 00:24:04,000 | 00:24:06,000 | 沒有跟當初的預估 |
| 00:24:06,000 | 00:24:08,000 | 是有一些落差的 |
| 00:24:08,000 | 00:24:10,000 | 所以我還是要問上一次你們大 |
| 00:24:10,000 | 00:24:12,000 | 正常的跑到我們這個前鎮漁港 |
| 00:24:12,000 | 00:24:14,000 | 來做對於硬體的設計 |
| 00:24:14,000 | 00:24:16,000 | 還有地方攤販的 |
| 00:24:16,000 | 00:24:18,000 | 這個所提出的反彈我相信 |
| 00:24:18,000 | 00:24:20,000 | 部長跟漁業署都已經非常的一個清楚了 |
| 00:24:20,000 | 00:24:22,000 | 然後你們開出了 |
| 00:24:22,000 | 00:24:24,000 | 攤商免管理費 |
| 00:24:24,000 | 00:24:26,000 | 漁工住宿補貼兩年的支票 |
| 00:24:26,000 | 00:24:28,000 | 我只想了解這些經費 |
| 00:24:28,000 | 00:24:30,000 | 是用到哪一些 |
| 00:24:30,000 | 00:24:32,000 | 這個錢是從哪裡來的我問了老半天我都 |
| 00:24:32,000 | 00:24:34,000 | 不懂有誰來 我跟我們報告 |
| 00:24:34,000 | 00:24:36,000 | 我們在我們的相關的這個前鎮 |
| 00:24:36,000 | 00:24:38,000 | 漁港建設的經費裡面有匡列 |
| 00:24:38,000 | 00:24:40,000 | 的6000萬也是 |
| 00:24:40,000 | 00:24:42,000 | 預估在後面的營運的時候 |
| 00:24:42,000 | 00:24:44,000 | 這些調整所以我們兩年的 |
| 00:24:44,000 | 00:24:46,000 | 這個市營運的經費就是從這6000萬 |
| 00:24:46,000 | 00:24:48,000 | 去支出的 |
| 00:24:48,000 | 00:24:50,000 | 就是從哪個經費出來 |
| 00:24:50,000 | 00:24:52,000 | 就是前鎮漁港的專案經費裡面 |
| 00:24:52,000 | 00:24:54,000 | 不是用我們特別調列這些經費 |
| 00:24:54,000 | 00:24:56,000 | 不是不是 |
| 00:24:56,000 | 00:24:58,000 | 那你就請他們下面的人因為他們跟我想說特別調列 |
| 00:24:58,000 | 00:25:00,000 | 我一聽我認性的特別調列 |
| 00:25:00,000 | 00:25:02,000 | 我怕一怕怎麼會有 |
| 00:25:02,000 | 00:25:04,000 | 就是前鎮漁港的經費裡面 |
| 00:25:04,000 | 00:25:06,000 | 6000萬我們有匡列在 |
| 00:25:06,000 | 00:25:08,000 | 建設完以後需要去做一些 |
| 00:25:08,000 | 00:25:10,000 | 調整的時候的使用 |
| 00:25:10,000 | 00:25:12,000 | 我們當初提出的這個善後的預算到底在哪裡 |
| 00:25:12,000 | 00:25:14,000 | 確實有需要反而蓋得這麼豪華的一個 |
| 00:25:14,000 | 00:25:16,000 | 不是豪華就該花了這麼多錢 |
| 00:25:16,000 | 00:25:18,000 | 然後呢我們還是 |
| 00:25:18,000 | 00:25:20,000 | 需要做很多的一個改善 |
| 00:25:20,000 | 00:25:22,000 | 所以你說有撥了6000萬 |
| 00:25:22,000 | 00:25:24,000 | 在這個地方對我們是 |
| 00:25:24,000 | 00:25:26,000 | 匡列的6000萬 |
| 00:25:26,000 | 00:25:28,000 | 因為我們也預知到整個的 |
| 00:25:28,000 | 00:25:30,000 | 整個的工程做完以後 |
| 00:25:30,000 | 00:25:32,000 | 可能做一些調整所以 |
| 00:25:32,000 | 00:25:34,000 | 包括市營運的這個部分的兩年我們 |
| 00:25:34,000 | 00:25:36,000 | 就用6000萬去做支應 |
| 00:25:36,000 | 00:25:38,000 | 那修繕的部分我還沒講完 |
| 00:25:38,000 | 00:25:40,000 | 修繕的部分如果在保固期 |
| 00:25:40,000 | 00:25:42,000 | 的話那就是由我們的 |
| 00:25:42,000 | 00:25:44,000 | 這些施工的廠商來負責 |
| 00:25:44,000 | 00:25:46,000 | 部長你知道吧 |
| 00:25:46,000 | 00:25:48,000 | 部長你知道嗎這個部分是因為他 |
| 00:25:48,000 | 00:25:50,000 | 引起的太多媒體的一個報導 |
| 00:25:50,000 | 00:25:52,000 | 然後你們下去之後你們才 |
| 00:25:52,000 | 00:25:54,000 | 告訴大家這個兩年的 |
| 00:25:54,000 | 00:25:56,000 | 攤販是免除的 |
| 00:25:56,000 | 00:25:58,000 | 然後告訴我們這些漁工如果入住 |
| 00:25:58,000 | 00:26:00,000 | 的時候他們的補貼 |
| 00:26:00,000 | 00:26:02,000 | 之前都沒有講耶所以我講 |
| 00:26:02,000 | 00:26:04,000 | 這才說兩年那我只請問兩年之後我們要怎麼辦 |
| 00:26:04,000 | 00:26:06,000 | 之前你還要再編6000萬嗎 |
| 00:26:06,000 | 00:26:08,000 | 其實在整個工程 |
| 00:26:08,000 | 00:26:10,000 | 在今年初做好以後其實我們 |
| 00:26:10,000 | 00:26:12,000 | 就在已經在規劃 |
| 00:26:12,000 | 00:26:14,000 | 那市營運本身的 |
| 00:26:14,000 | 00:26:16,000 | 概念是因為新的 |
| 00:26:16,000 | 00:26:18,000 | 那個零P市場是 |
| 00:26:18,000 | 00:26:20,000 | 導入新的未成案聯合 |
| 00:26:20,000 | 00:26:22,000 | 我知道啦但是我比你更清楚我去 |
| 00:26:22,000 | 00:26:24,000 | 我去的機會跟攤商 |
| 00:26:24,000 | 00:26:26,000 | 討論機會比你還要多 |
| 00:26:26,000 | 00:26:28,000 | 我只是說這些 |
| 00:26:28,000 | 00:26:30,000 | 這個攤商得到兩年免 |
| 00:26:30,000 | 00:26:32,000 | 租金還有呢這個 |
| 00:26:32,000 | 00:26:34,000 | 住宿補貼都是在一連串事情 |
| 00:26:34,000 | 00:26:36,000 | 發生之後才產生的 |
| 00:26:36,000 | 00:26:38,000 | 如果照你當初所講的 |
| 00:26:38,000 | 00:26:40,000 | 早就匡列你就早早告之半 |
| 00:26:40,000 | 00:26:42,000 | 就不用引起那麼多的一個爭議 |
| 00:26:42,000 | 00:26:44,000 | 而且目前為止動線的問題還有 |
| 00:26:44,000 | 00:26:46,000 | 很多問題還是存在 |
| 00:26:46,000 | 00:26:48,000 | 所以我只能說很好那兩年 |
| 00:26:48,000 | 00:26:50,000 | 之後怎麼辦兩年之後還要繼續 |
| 00:26:50,000 | 00:26:52,000 | 花納稅成再繼續補貼下去嗎 |
| 00:26:52,000 | 00:26:54,000 | 我們的市營運的期間就是讓我們的 |
| 00:26:54,000 | 00:26:56,000 | 攤商從原來非常傳統的 |
| 00:26:56,000 | 00:26:58,000 | 買賣方式進到這樣子的一個 |
| 00:26:58,000 | 00:27:00,000 | 有關於這種Hussep |
| 00:27:00,000 | 00:27:02,000 | 本身的未成案聯合 |
| 00:27:02,000 | 00:27:04,000 | 兩年之後還會免租金嗎 |
| 00:27:04,000 | 00:27:06,000 | 兩年之內就希望能夠引導 |
| 00:27:06,000 | 00:27:08,000 | 我們的攤商能夠 |
| 00:27:08,000 | 00:27:10,000 | 符合安全規定的一個新的規範 |
| 00:27:10,000 | 00:27:12,000 | 兩年之後你覺得做攤商 |
| 00:27:12,000 | 00:27:14,000 | 還是覺得說因為享受到免的 |
| 00:27:14,000 | 00:27:16,000 | 所以他們覺得繼續下去 |
| 00:27:16,000 | 00:27:18,000 | 所以兩年之後還要繼續補助嗎 |
| 00:27:18,000 | 00:27:20,000 | 兩年是我們現在所定的 |
| 00:27:20,000 | 00:27:22,000 | 市營運的一個期間那我們會 |
| 00:27:22,000 | 00:27:24,000 | 非常努力的因為市營運 |
| 00:27:24,000 | 00:27:26,000 | 如果說大家的生意好那相關 |
| 00:27:26,000 | 00:27:28,000 | 的他的一個月三百萬的 |
| 00:27:28,000 | 00:27:30,000 | 期望是如此 |
| 00:27:30,000 | 00:27:32,000 | 有這些免費措施就 |
| 00:27:32,000 | 00:27:34,000 | 早一點講你知道這個中心 |
| 00:27:34,000 | 00:27:36,000 | 精精來來回回這個部分裡面其實 |
| 00:27:36,000 | 00:27:38,000 | 我們並沒有說 |
| 00:27:38,000 | 00:27:40,000 | 一直在變動其實我們 |
| 00:27:40,000 | 00:27:42,000 | 本來就有一個規範 |
| 00:27:42,000 | 00:27:44,000 | 兩年就已經是變動因為之前 |
| 00:27:44,000 | 00:27:46,000 | 沒有這樣去講過我當初就問了 |
| 00:27:46,000 | 00:27:48,000 | 沒有這件事嗎 |
| 00:27:48,000 | 00:27:50,000 | 提出這些改善措施 |
| 00:27:50,000 | 00:27:52,000 | 而且還要繼續大家所 |
| 00:27:52,000 | 00:27:54,000 | 在乎的就是說 |
| 00:27:54,000 | 00:27:56,000 | 當初預估的其實有一些的落差 |
| 00:27:56,000 | 00:27:58,000 | 所以我們才來說面對問題 |
| 00:27:58,000 | 00:28:00,000 | 怎麼樣來處理所以說你能夠 |
| 00:28:00,000 | 00:28:02,000 | 我跟委員報告您去前陣子之前 |
| 00:28:02,000 | 00:28:04,000 | 包括我們的行政院 |
| 00:28:04,000 | 00:28:06,000 | 包括我們的農業部 |
| 00:28:06,000 | 00:28:08,000 | 已經多次的跟 |
| 00:28:08,000 | 00:28:10,000 | 餘會的討論怎麼樣讓 |
| 00:28:10,000 | 00:28:12,000 | 我們的攤商有序的 |
| 00:28:12,000 | 00:28:14,000 | 進到這個市場那也不排斥 |
| 00:28:14,000 | 00:28:16,000 | 用自營運的方式 |
| 00:28:16,000 | 00:28:18,000 | 我告訴你不管怎麼進入市場你那個免 |
| 00:28:18,000 | 00:28:20,000 | 租金就是最大的部分免租金就是 |
| 00:28:20,000 | 00:28:22,000 | 讓很多人很願意租金那早就把 |
| 00:28:22,000 | 00:28:24,000 | 這個東西提出來就不會有在 |
| 00:28:24,000 | 00:28:26,000 | 什麼電衝車的路線等等之類 |
| 00:28:26,000 | 00:28:28,000 | 這些還是需要改進我們希望兩年 |
| 00:28:28,000 | 00:28:30,000 | 運營當中大家讓過一早之後 |
| 00:28:30,000 | 00:28:32,000 | 知道他們的問題所在大家 |
| 00:28:32,000 | 00:28:34,000 | 共同來解決共同來面對問題我覺得 |
| 00:28:34,000 | 00:28:36,000 | 這才是我們我們已經在做了 |
| 00:28:36,000 | 00:28:38,000 | 市委員執政我們已經在做 |
| 00:28:38,000 | 00:28:40,000 | 我們現在這種兩年 |
| 00:28:40,000 | 00:28:42,000 | 自營運的方式來 |
| 00:28:42,000 | 00:28:44,000 | 讓我們調整內部的一些動線 |
| 00:28:44,000 | 00:28:46,000 | 設備那兩年當中 |
| 00:28:46,000 | 00:28:48,000 | 我們跟未來台北高雄市 |
| 00:28:48,000 | 00:28:50,000 | 政府跟餘會 |
| 00:28:50,000 | 00:28:52,000 | 就利用這個方法能夠幫湯香 |
| 00:28:52,000 | 00:28:54,000 | 解決他們最care的問題 |
| 00:28:54,000 | 00:28:56,000 | 降低他們的這個部分然後你 |
| 00:28:56,000 | 00:28:58,000 | 剛剛所說的衛生問題我沒有意見然後把 |
| 00:28:58,000 | 00:29:00,000 | 動線還有把電動車怎麼樣去走 |
| 00:29:00,000 | 00:29:02,000 | 這些都是我們所看到的 |
| 00:29:02,000 | 00:29:04,000 | 我們就是來run run看然後希望能夠 |
| 00:29:04,000 | 00:29:06,000 | 滾動式的把這些路線 |
| 00:29:06,000 | 00:29:08,000 | 更符合我們攤商的需求這才是 |
| 00:29:08,000 | 00:29:10,000 | 當初我們給這麼多錢大家希望的 |
| 00:29:10,000 | 00:29:12,000 | 一個目標好不好我們會朝這個方面去處理 |
| 00:29:12,000 | 00:29:14,000 | 好然後最後的話我還是要問一下 |
| 00:29:14,000 | 00:29:16,000 | 我謝謝部長請回座 |
| 00:29:16,000 | 00:29:18,000 | 我想這個部分還是跟我們的集約有關 |
| 00:29:18,000 | 00:29:20,000 | 我想這個我們交通部長還是 |
| 00:29:20,000 | 00:29:22,000 | 要請請上來一下因為我們 |
| 00:29:22,000 | 00:29:24,000 | 現在新版的才化法落實地方 |
| 00:29:24,000 | 00:29:26,000 | 自主但是 |
| 00:29:26,000 | 00:29:28,000 | 院長我們的一般 |
| 00:29:28,000 | 00:29:30,000 | 性補助款跟我們的這些計畫性 |
| 00:29:30,000 | 00:29:32,000 | 補助款還是被大 |
| 00:29:32,000 | 00:29:34,000 | 砍的非常多我想大家跟你們 |
| 00:29:34,000 | 00:29:36,000 | 要捷運的錢不是只有高雄 |
| 00:29:36,000 | 00:29:38,000 | 我想台中台北都在跟 |
| 00:29:38,000 | 00:29:40,000 | 交通部在要這個捷運的錢應該是沒有錯吧 |
| 00:29:40,000 | 00:29:42,000 | 每個人都希望各縣市 |
| 00:29:42,000 | 00:29:44,000 | 都需要但是 |
| 00:29:44,000 | 00:29:46,000 | 我們市府跟我們反應我們捷運 |
| 00:29:46,000 | 00:29:48,000 | 因為我們不是只有一條 |
| 00:29:48,000 | 00:29:50,000 | 有黃線有小港林園還有我們 |
| 00:29:50,000 | 00:29:52,000 | 高山路族都是齊開 |
| 00:29:52,000 | 00:29:54,000 | 所以我們目前為止後續我們的 |
| 00:29:54,000 | 00:29:56,000 | 缺口是有到136億喔 |
| 00:29:56,000 | 00:29:58,000 | 那交通部開記者會說 |
| 00:29:58,000 | 00:30:00,000 | 你沒有你就是依照 |
| 00:30:00,000 | 00:30:02,000 | 執行的速度等等之類你已經 |
| 00:30:02,000 | 00:30:04,000 | 給我們高雄145億是全台第二大 |
| 00:30:04,000 | 00:30:06,000 | 報告委員從以前到現在為止交通部 |
| 00:30:06,000 | 00:30:08,000 | 補助地方的這個捷運經費 |
| 00:30:08,000 | 00:30:10,000 | 從來沒有讓地方的工程 |
| 00:30:10,000 | 00:30:12,000 | 延宕過所以說我們現在 |
| 00:30:12,000 | 00:30:14,000 | 目前為止不會因為 |
| 00:30:14,000 | 00:30:16,000 | 統籌分配做任何的事情 |
| 00:30:16,000 | 00:30:18,000 | 影響到我們所謂捷運的施工 |
| 00:30:18,000 | 00:30:20,000 | 所以各縣市裡面 |
| 00:30:20,000 | 00:30:22,000 | 所跟交通部要的都已經算出來 |
| 00:30:22,000 | 00:30:24,000 | 幾億幾億交通部都會 |
| 00:30:24,000 | 00:30:26,000 | 交通的建設 |
| 00:30:26,000 | 00:30:28,000 | 我們可以有讓充電處 |
| 00:30:28,000 | 00:30:30,000 | 建設到我們建議 |
| 00:30:30,000 | 00:30:32,000 | 建設是我們在建設提供的 |
| 00:30:32,000 | 00:30:34,000 | 我們會有同意的道路 |
| 00:30:34,000 | 00:30:36,000 | 我們可以有地方的發展區 |
| 00:30:36,000 | 00:30:38,000 | 所以真的可以出發好不好謝謝 |