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范雲 @ 第11屆第6會期第2次會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:07,000 | 謝謝韓院長 有請卓院長 |
| 00:00:07,000 | 00:00:09,000 | 麻煩再請卓院長備選 |
| 00:00:20,000 | 00:00:21,000 | 範圍好 |
| 00:00:21,000 | 00:00:24,000 | 卓院長好 我想先請問卓院長 |
| 00:00:24,000 | 00:00:30,000 | 卓院長 從我們上次8月底上個會期的會議結束到現在 |
| 00:00:30,000 | 00:00:33,000 | 那您最近工作情況還好嗎 |
| 00:00:33,000 | 00:00:34,000 | 一如往常 |
| 00:00:34,000 | 00:00:36,000 | 一如往常 沒有休假在家 |
| 00:00:36,000 | 00:00:40,000 | 而且各種國際的變化跟國內的形勢一直有變化 |
| 00:00:40,000 | 00:00:42,000 | 所以我們還是有接續不斷的會議再開 |
| 00:00:42,000 | 00:00:45,000 | 再面對解決各種不同的問題 |
| 00:00:45,000 | 00:00:47,000 | 所以您並沒有休假在家 |
| 00:00:47,000 | 00:00:48,000 | 沒有 |
| 00:00:48,000 | 00:00:49,000 | 沒有 |
| 00:00:49,000 | 00:00:50,000 | 都在工作 |
| 00:00:50,000 | 00:00:51,000 | 連假日都很少 |
| 00:00:51,000 | 00:00:53,000 | 那所以今天是10月2號 |
| 00:00:53,000 | 00:00:58,000 | 我想請問卓院長您上個月的薪水入帳了嗎 |
| 00:00:58,000 | 00:01:00,000 | 我還沒有領 |
| 00:01:00,000 | 00:01:01,000 | 沒有領 |
| 00:01:01,000 | 00:01:06,000 | 那我覺得這是個很嚴重嚴肅的問題 |
| 00:01:06,000 | 00:01:09,000 | 所以非常的希望跟卓院長討論 |
| 00:01:09,000 | 00:01:12,000 | 我們都知道上個月上個會期 |
| 00:01:12,000 | 00:01:14,000 | 由翁曉玲委員的提案 |
| 00:01:14,000 | 00:01:16,000 | 以陳的提案馬找出來看 |
| 00:01:16,000 | 00:01:20,000 | 她指責行政院長不適任的隔閤 |
| 00:01:20,000 | 00:01:23,000 | 所以提案凍結行政院長 |
| 00:01:23,000 | 00:01:26,000 | 115年9月到12月的薪資 |
| 00:01:26,000 | 00:01:29,000 | 投票結果贊成了59人 |
| 00:01:29,000 | 00:01:32,000 | 我們民進黨51位立委都反對 |
| 00:01:32,000 | 00:01:35,000 | 那這個案子通過之後呢 |
| 00:01:35,000 | 00:01:37,000 | 我自己也去做了一個研究 |
| 00:01:37,000 | 00:01:39,000 | 那我知道總統已經有批示 |
| 00:01:39,000 | 00:01:42,000 | 覺得這樣子非常的不能接受 |
| 00:01:42,000 | 00:01:43,000 | 違法違憲 |
| 00:01:43,000 | 00:01:44,000 | 那我自己喔 |
| 00:01:44,000 | 00:01:46,000 | 秉著研究的精神去看了一下 |
| 00:01:46,000 | 00:01:49,000 | 到底立法院能不能因為政治立場不同 |
| 00:01:49,000 | 00:01:53,000 | 決定一位依法任職的行政首長 |
| 00:01:53,000 | 00:01:54,000 | 幾個月不能領薪水 |
| 00:01:54,000 | 00:01:55,000 | 我們看了一下 |
| 00:01:55,000 | 00:01:58,000 | 其實預算法52條就有說 |
| 00:01:58,000 | 00:02:01,000 | 立法院通過預算的附加條件 |
| 00:02:01,000 | 00:02:02,000 | 如果違法 |
| 00:02:02,000 | 00:02:05,000 | 這個條件就失效 |
| 00:02:05,000 | 00:02:06,000 | 這是預算法52條 |
| 00:02:06,000 | 00:02:10,000 | 如果附加條件違法該條件失效 |
| 00:02:10,000 | 00:02:14,000 | 憲法54條跟行政院組織法第10條 |
| 00:02:14,000 | 00:02:17,000 | 都有很清楚說行政院長 |
| 00:02:17,000 | 00:02:22,000 | 就是憲法跟相關法律保障的法定職位 |
| 00:02:22,000 | 00:02:25,000 | 所以您的薪水就是預算法的法定預算 |
| 00:02:25,000 | 00:02:26,000 | 這沒錯吧 |
| 00:02:26,000 | 00:02:28,000 | 那我們再來看 |
| 00:02:28,000 | 00:02:30,000 | 過去國會有沒有發生類似的事 |
| 00:02:30,000 | 00:02:33,000 | 行政院長這真的是第一次 |
| 00:02:33,000 | 00:02:37,000 | 可是在過去陳水扁總統 |
| 00:02:37,000 | 00:02:39,000 | 擔任總統的朝小野大的時候 |
| 00:02:39,000 | 00:02:40,000 | 有類似的是 |
| 00:02:40,000 | 00:02:42,000 | 2005年曾經發生立法院 |
| 00:02:42,000 | 00:02:47,000 | 刪除大法官的司法專業加給的預算 |
| 00:02:47,000 | 00:02:52,000 | 後來釋字61號的解釋被判定違憲 |
| 00:02:52,000 | 00:02:55,000 | 那我想這三個法跟憲法跟釋字的 |
| 00:02:55,000 | 00:02:58,000 | 601號解釋應該 |
| 00:02:58,000 | 00:03:00,000 | 這個社會很多人不知道 |
| 00:03:00,000 | 00:03:02,000 | 那但是院長應該很清楚 |
| 00:03:02,000 | 00:03:04,000 | 所以我今天想跟院長討論 |
| 00:03:04,000 | 00:03:08,000 | 我覺得您的薪水不是個人問題了 |
| 00:03:08,000 | 00:03:10,000 | 因為今天他代表立法院 |
| 00:03:10,000 | 00:03:12,000 | 可不可以用預算決議 |
| 00:03:12,000 | 00:03:16,000 | 停止依法任職的政務人員薪資的問題 |
| 00:03:16,000 | 00:03:19,000 | 他也對未來的國會有示範作用 |
| 00:03:19,000 | 00:03:23,000 | 我們今天是因為憲法法庭也被癱瘓了 |
| 00:03:23,000 | 00:03:26,000 | 所以沒有辦法如同2005年有這個釋憲文 |
| 00:03:26,000 | 00:03:28,000 | 但是他的精神應該要被遵守 |
| 00:03:28,000 | 00:03:31,000 | 不知道院長您是不是同意 |
| 00:03:31,000 | 00:03:35,000 | 陳如委員剛剛所引用的相當多的條文 |
| 00:03:35,000 | 00:03:39,000 | 包括憲法54條以及行政院組織法第四條等等 |
| 00:03:39,000 | 00:03:43,000 | 這都是談到政務人員的待遇 |
| 00:03:43,000 | 00:03:46,000 | 又依照政務人員局表他所呈現的內容 |
| 00:03:46,000 | 00:03:50,000 | 他都是一個法定的一個經費 |
| 00:03:50,000 | 00:03:53,000 | 是不可以刪除凍結的 |
| 00:03:53,000 | 00:03:56,000 | 如果今天行政院長可以 |
| 00:03:56,000 | 00:03:58,000 | 部長也可以 |
| 00:03:58,000 | 00:03:59,000 | 如果中央可以 |
| 00:03:59,000 | 00:04:01,000 | 未來地方也可以 |
| 00:04:01,000 | 00:04:05,000 | 那全國只要行政部門跟議會部門不同 |
| 00:04:05,000 | 00:04:07,000 | 都可能發生這個事情 |
| 00:04:07,000 | 00:04:09,000 | 所以這個是嚴格限制在內的 |
| 00:04:09,000 | 00:04:15,000 | 所以透過年度預算的法定經費薪水來凍結 |
| 00:04:15,000 | 00:04:18,000 | 是想用凍結來影響來改變 |
| 00:04:18,000 | 00:04:21,000 | 甚至來拘束行政機關的各種行為 |
| 00:04:21,000 | 00:04:23,000 | 這絕對是依法不拒 |
| 00:04:23,000 | 00:04:27,000 | 所以當通過這樣的一個案子的時候 |
| 00:04:27,000 | 00:04:30,000 | 附帶的條件又是希望我們把不附屬的 |
| 00:04:30,000 | 00:04:33,000 | 這些法律案能夠讓它成為生效 |
| 00:04:33,000 | 00:04:37,000 | 但這個又違背了憲法總統時日公布法律的這樣的期限 |
| 00:04:37,000 | 00:04:38,000 | 已經不可能了 |
| 00:04:38,000 | 00:04:42,000 | 所以對一個致使不可能成就的條件 |
| 00:04:42,000 | 00:04:44,000 | 來加以附加條件 |
| 00:04:44,000 | 00:04:48,000 | 視為這個條件致使都是無效的條件 |
| 00:04:48,000 | 00:04:51,000 | 所以這樣的行為也沒有辦法拘束到 |
| 00:04:51,000 | 00:04:52,000 | 是不是該領 |
| 00:04:52,000 | 00:04:54,000 | 但為什麼我到現在沒有去領 |
| 00:04:54,000 | 00:04:58,000 | 我是想今天在這裡讓我跟韓院長來比較一下 |
| 00:04:58,000 | 00:04:59,000 | 韓院長高高坐在上面 |
| 00:04:59,000 | 00:05:00,000 | 我站在這裡 |
| 00:05:00,000 | 00:05:02,000 | 這是因為有薪水的院長 |
| 00:05:02,000 | 00:05:04,000 | 我是因為沒有領薪水的院長 |
| 00:05:04,000 | 00:05:05,000 | 讓國人看一下 |
| 00:05:05,000 | 00:05:09,000 | 但是基於維護所有公務人員的尊嚴 |
| 00:05:09,000 | 00:05:12,000 | 跟工作必要的以及生活必要的 |
| 00:05:12,000 | 00:05:15,000 | 我不會放棄這種法定的權利 |
| 00:05:15,000 | 00:05:16,000 | 我今天要向委員說 |
| 00:05:16,000 | 00:05:20,000 | 我也謝謝很多的委員是在站在法的立場 |
| 00:05:20,000 | 00:05:22,000 | 沒有去贊成這案子 |
| 00:05:22,000 | 00:05:26,000 | 但是我要跟所有法去支持凍結 |
| 00:05:26,000 | 00:05:30,000 | 凍結三檢政務人員預算的所有委員說 |
| 00:05:30,000 | 00:05:34,000 | 你們這樣的方式會讓整個府會之間 |
| 00:05:34,000 | 00:05:38,000 | 中央地方的府會之間都造成相當大的困擾 |
| 00:05:38,000 | 00:05:40,000 | 此例絕不可開 |
| 00:05:40,000 | 00:05:43,000 | 我也不會用開這個例來讓這個行為 |
| 00:05:43,000 | 00:05:46,000 | 變成它是一個成就不法的狀態 |
| 00:05:46,000 | 00:05:50,000 | 所以依法領薪水是人民的俸祿 |
| 00:05:50,000 | 00:05:52,000 | 我們接受人民的俸祿 |
| 00:05:52,000 | 00:05:54,000 | 依法做公務的工作 |
| 00:05:54,000 | 00:05:58,000 | 這是責任跟權力相當的平衡的一個工作 |
| 00:05:58,000 | 00:05:59,000 | 好 謝謝院長 |
| 00:05:59,000 | 00:06:01,000 | 您這樣講我就放心了 |
| 00:06:01,000 | 00:06:04,000 | 因為我真的就如同剛剛卓院長說的 |
| 00:06:04,000 | 00:06:08,000 | 如果今天國會可以對行政院長這麼做 |
| 00:06:08,000 | 00:06:12,000 | 那未來各級議會就有可能也用同樣的方式 |
| 00:06:12,000 | 00:06:15,000 | 對待不同政治立場的政務人員 |
| 00:06:15,000 | 00:06:17,000 | 那我想這會是一個 |
| 00:06:17,000 | 00:06:20,000 | 就是讓政治杯葛凌駕憲政 |
| 00:06:20,000 | 00:06:22,000 | 跟法律界限的惡例 |
| 00:06:22,000 | 00:06:25,000 | 所以真的不是卓院長個人薪水的問題 |
| 00:06:25,000 | 00:06:30,000 | 它是一個守護憲政跟法律的界限的議題 |
| 00:06:30,000 | 00:06:34,000 | 那我相信韓院長在這邊應該也會認同這句話 |
| 00:06:34,000 | 00:06:37,000 | 政治杯葛不應凌駕憲政跟法律的界限 |
| 00:06:37,000 | 00:06:42,000 | 那謝謝卓院長就是守護憲政跟法律的界限 |
| 00:06:42,000 | 00:06:43,000 | 這是應該要做的 |
| 00:06:43,000 | 00:06:46,000 | 所以我說守護憲法是每一個國人 |
| 00:06:46,000 | 00:06:48,000 | 應該有的義務跟責任 |
| 00:06:48,000 | 00:06:50,000 | 而不是哪一個人 |
| 00:06:50,000 | 00:06:54,000 | 也不是任何一個人可以去破壞憲法的規定跟憲法的精神 |
| 00:06:54,000 | 00:06:58,000 | 好 謝謝卓院長一起守護這條界限 |
| 00:06:58,000 | 00:06:59,000 | 那我今天第二題呢 |
| 00:06:59,000 | 00:07:04,000 | 想跟院長請教另外一個也覺得很重要的問題 |
| 00:07:04,000 | 00:07:06,000 | 幫我們公民團體詢問 |
| 00:07:06,000 | 00:07:09,000 | 這個禮拜二晚上就是我們的開日 |
| 00:07:09,000 | 00:07:13,000 | 精明聯等40個公民團體發起一個遊行 |
| 00:07:13,000 | 00:07:16,000 | 那他們只請113位立委 |
| 00:07:16,000 | 00:07:19,000 | 那謝謝他們邀請我去報告一件事 |
| 00:07:19,000 | 00:07:21,000 | 就是這一次總預算 |
| 00:07:21,000 | 00:07:23,000 | 追加的預算當中 |
| 00:07:23,000 | 00:07:26,000 | 有多少社會福利的加碼 |
| 00:07:26,000 | 00:07:28,000 | 那當天他們很關心說 |
| 00:07:28,000 | 00:07:32,000 | 總預算延宕了審查351天 |
| 00:07:32,000 | 00:07:35,000 | 如果繼續延宕會發生什麼事 |
| 00:07:35,000 | 00:07:39,000 | 很多人其實包含當天在場的公民團體都不知道 |
| 00:07:39,000 | 00:07:41,000 | 就是行政院的追加預算 |
| 00:07:41,000 | 00:07:47,000 | 這裡面包含8大社會福利跟生活補助 |
| 00:07:47,000 | 00:07:50,000 | 那因為媒體聚焦的可能是中油 |
| 00:07:50,000 | 00:07:52,000 | 台電的這些補助 |
| 00:07:52,000 | 00:07:54,000 | 那我想特別在這邊講一下 |
| 00:07:54,000 | 00:07:58,000 | 老農今天是從原本8,110元增加到1萬 |
| 00:07:58,000 | 00:08:02,000 | 國民年金從4,049到5,000 |
| 00:08:02,000 | 00:08:05,000 | 這裡面有很多是家庭主婦 |
| 00:08:05,000 | 00:08:08,000 | 那老農也是相對來講國家應該守護的 |
| 00:08:08,000 | 00:08:11,000 | 還有六大社福包含中低收老人 |
| 00:08:11,000 | 00:08:13,000 | 弱勢兒少 |
| 00:08:13,000 | 00:08:14,000 | 低收家庭 |
| 00:08:14,000 | 00:08:16,000 | 低收入戶兒童就學 |
| 00:08:16,000 | 00:08:18,000 | 還有身障者的生活補助 |
| 00:08:18,000 | 00:08:19,000 | 全面調整 |
| 00:08:19,000 | 00:08:21,000 | 接近四分之一 |
| 00:08:21,000 | 00:08:25,000 | 那還有特別不是一般的福利軍公教人員的待遇 |
| 00:08:25,000 | 00:08:27,000 | 包含基層同仁 |
| 00:08:27,000 | 00:08:30,000 | 新增2000塊的職務加給 |
| 00:08:30,000 | 00:08:33,000 | 然後通案調整4% |
| 00:08:33,000 | 00:08:37,000 | 這個有72萬的軍公教也會受益 |
| 00:08:37,000 | 00:08:39,000 | 那這個部分我當天有跟大家報告 |
| 00:08:39,000 | 00:08:41,000 | 那我想請問院長 |
| 00:08:41,000 | 00:08:43,000 | 我剛剛講的這個 |
| 00:08:43,000 | 00:08:47,000 | 已經送到立法院的這個追加的這個預算 |
| 00:08:47,000 | 00:08:52,000 | 裡面包含318萬弱勢跟72萬的軍公教 |
| 00:08:52,000 | 00:08:55,000 | 那最快大家什麼時候可以拿到 |
| 00:08:55,000 | 00:08:59,000 | 如果立法院預算又延宕會有什麼影響 |
| 00:08:59,000 | 00:09:01,000 | 今天有一些媒體有一個標題 |
| 00:09:01,000 | 00:09:04,000 | 他說如果追加預算沒有過 |
| 00:09:04,000 | 00:09:06,000 | 那行政院就不發 |
| 00:09:06,000 | 00:09:09,000 | 其實這樣的標題是錯誤的 |
| 00:09:09,000 | 00:09:11,000 | 行政院如果追加預算沒有過 |
| 00:09:11,000 | 00:09:14,000 | 行政院非不為也是不能也 |
| 00:09:14,000 | 00:09:16,000 | 因為就沒有預算可以去執行 |
| 00:09:16,000 | 00:09:17,000 | 所以我們希望 |
| 00:09:17,000 | 00:09:19,000 | 那如果拖到明年呢 |
| 00:09:19,000 | 00:09:20,000 | 像總預算拖360 |
| 00:09:20,000 | 00:09:24,000 | 這是115年度的總預算的追加預算 |
| 00:09:24,000 | 00:09:27,000 | 一定要在115年可以去執行 |
| 00:09:27,000 | 00:09:29,000 | 去開始執行 |
| 00:09:29,000 | 00:09:31,000 | 它才有這個時效性 |
| 00:09:31,000 | 00:09:33,000 | 那明年就到明年116年去了 |
| 00:09:33,000 | 00:09:38,000 | 所以我們很期待大院能夠加速來審議這個追加預算 |
| 00:09:38,000 | 00:09:41,000 | 那個11月底如果能夠通過 |
| 00:09:41,000 | 00:09:44,000 | 那我們才有時間來進行後續的作業 |
| 00:09:44,000 | 00:09:47,000 | 況且我們如果看這次今年的中央政府總預算 |
| 00:09:47,000 | 00:09:51,000 | 8月14號三讀通過 |
| 00:09:51,000 | 00:09:56,000 | 一直到9月18號才送到總統府去 |
| 00:09:56,000 | 00:09:58,000 | 讓總統府去公布 |
| 00:09:58,000 | 00:10:02,000 | 三讀到送到總統府差了將近一個月 |
| 00:10:02,000 | 00:10:04,000 | 那如果11月底通過 |
| 00:10:04,000 | 00:10:07,000 | 那立法院還有時間慢慢去算 |
| 00:10:07,000 | 00:10:09,000 | 但是如果沒有留給行政機關 |
| 00:10:09,000 | 00:10:11,000 | 好好的去做後續工作的話 |
| 00:10:11,000 | 00:10:13,000 | 那這個是無法執行的 |
| 00:10:13,000 | 00:10:15,000 | 所以我們期待11月底要完成 |
| 00:10:15,000 | 00:10:19,000 | 中央政府今年度的追加預算的審議工作 |
| 00:10:19,000 | 00:10:21,000 | 那我這樣講不知道對不對 |
| 00:10:21,000 | 00:10:23,000 | 這個福利加起來的話 |
| 00:10:23,000 | 00:10:25,000 | 或者軍公教這個 |
| 00:10:25,000 | 00:10:28,000 | 事實上可能會超過1萬元是數字不少 |
| 00:10:28,000 | 00:10:30,000 | 因為是從7月到年底嘛 |
| 00:10:30,000 | 00:10:31,000 | 對 |
| 00:10:31,000 | 00:10:34,000 | 那這樣子如果今年底沒有通過拖到明年 |
| 00:10:34,000 | 00:10:36,000 | 就完全失效了是這樣子嗎 |
| 00:10:36,000 | 00:10:37,000 | 是 |
| 00:10:37,000 | 00:10:39,000 | 那如果沒有在今年通過的話 |
| 00:10:39,000 | 00:10:41,000 | 主席講我們明年 |
| 00:10:41,000 | 00:10:42,000 | 好 |
| 00:10:42,000 | 00:10:43,000 | 115年就失效 |
| 00:10:43,000 | 00:10:44,000 | 就沒有辦法 |
| 00:10:44,000 | 00:10:45,000 | 這沒有辦法發 |
| 00:10:45,000 | 00:10:46,000 | 因為它跟總預算不一樣 |
| 00:10:46,000 | 00:10:47,000 | 沒有辦法拖這麼久 |
| 00:10:47,000 | 00:10:48,000 | 因為它是追加 |
| 00:10:48,000 | 00:10:49,000 | 是沒有辦法 |
| 00:10:49,000 | 00:10:50,000 | 它到年底就失效了 |
| 00:10:50,000 | 00:10:51,000 | 到年底就失效了 |
| 00:10:51,000 | 00:10:52,000 | 沒有通過就失效 |
| 00:10:52,000 | 00:10:54,000 | 那請大家一起來關心喔 |
| 00:10:54,000 | 00:10:56,000 | 就是行政院的這個 |
| 00:10:56,000 | 00:11:00,000 | 就是能夠讓八大社福弱勢團體 |
| 00:11:00,000 | 00:11:05,000 | 318萬人加72萬的軍公教受益的重要福利 |
| 00:11:05,000 | 00:11:06,000 | 我想也在這邊呼籲 |
| 00:11:06,000 | 00:11:09,000 | 那謝謝主席長請回 |
| 00:11:09,000 | 00:11:12,000 | 那最後一題想問教育部長 |
| 00:11:12,000 | 00:11:15,000 | 部長我想院長你也認同這句話 |
| 00:11:15,000 | 00:11:18,000 | 教師安心才有好的教育 |
| 00:11:18,000 | 00:11:23,000 | 教育改革一定要兼顧教師權益跟學生權益 |
| 00:11:23,000 | 00:11:24,000 | 沒錯吧 |
| 00:11:24,000 | 00:11:25,000 | 是 |
| 00:11:25,000 | 00:11:27,000 | 那我想請問部長 |
| 00:11:27,000 | 00:11:30,000 | 那我先謝謝部長跟院長 |
| 00:11:30,000 | 00:11:33,000 | 最近增聘了校安人力 |
| 00:11:33,000 | 00:11:36,000 | 那我想這個部分基層的反應 |
| 00:11:36,000 | 00:11:38,000 | 我們聽到的都很肯定 |
| 00:11:38,000 | 00:11:40,000 | 就是謝謝院長的支持 |
| 00:11:40,000 | 00:11:41,000 | 還有部長的支持 |
| 00:11:41,000 | 00:11:44,000 | 那讓教師在校安這個部分 |
| 00:11:44,000 | 00:11:47,000 | 能夠稍微的就是覺得比較安心一點 |
| 00:11:47,000 | 00:11:50,000 | 那可是我想部長非常的了解 |
| 00:11:50,000 | 00:11:53,000 | 我們上個會期在教文委員會中 |
| 00:11:53,000 | 00:11:55,000 | 在程序上跟民主討論上 |
| 00:11:55,000 | 00:11:58,000 | 很多本黨立委都不能接受的 |
| 00:11:58,000 | 00:11:59,000 | 那但是這個解冰辦法 |
| 00:11:59,000 | 00:12:02,000 | 後來的確是被退回了 |
| 00:12:02,000 | 00:12:06,000 | 我想教育部也一定都有在滾動式的檢討 |
| 00:12:06,000 | 00:12:07,000 | 那請問部長 |
| 00:12:07,000 | 00:12:09,000 | 那之後你們有沒有聆聽 |
| 00:12:09,000 | 00:12:12,000 | 有沒有機會聆聽第一線教師的聲音呢 |
| 00:12:12,000 | 00:12:15,000 | 謝謝委員關心這有關這個校園 |
| 00:12:15,000 | 00:12:19,000 | 怎麼樣確保能夠有好良好的教學品質 |
| 00:12:19,000 | 00:12:22,000 | 讓這些老師能夠安心教學 |
| 00:12:22,000 | 00:12:24,000 | 然後不適任老師能夠遠離校園 |
| 00:12:24,000 | 00:12:29,000 | 那確實我們針對過去紛紛擾擾的濫述 |
| 00:12:29,000 | 00:12:31,000 | 在去年之前 |
| 00:12:31,000 | 00:12:34,000 | 事實上我們在新的辦法裡邊 |
| 00:12:34,000 | 00:12:35,000 | 解決了這個問題 |
| 00:12:35,000 | 00:12:40,000 | 也就把濫述跟不居民投訴的全部不受理 |
| 00:12:40,000 | 00:12:44,000 | 光這個等於說進入到校次會議的量 |
| 00:12:44,000 | 00:12:46,000 | 就一下子就減了50% |
| 00:12:46,000 | 00:12:50,000 | 那在這裡邊我們看到的分流的一個處理 |
| 00:12:50,000 | 00:12:54,000 | 包括為罪不舉的校長的提醒 |
| 00:12:54,000 | 00:12:57,000 | 或者有更積極的班級經營 |
| 00:12:57,000 | 00:13:01,000 | 這些大概就回到學校裡邊 |
| 00:13:01,000 | 00:13:09,000 | 直接處理不再邀請什麼校外的委員來調查 |
| 00:13:09,000 | 00:13:11,000 | 這個都回到學校裡邊 |
| 00:13:11,000 | 00:13:16,000 | 那在未來我們確實也現在跟各地方的 |
| 00:13:16,000 | 00:13:17,000 | 不管教師團體 |
| 00:13:17,000 | 00:13:19,000 | 這個民間家長團體 |
| 00:13:19,000 | 00:13:20,000 | 或者校長團體 |
| 00:13:20,000 | 00:13:21,000 | 還有各地方政府 |
| 00:13:21,000 | 00:13:23,000 | 我們現在大概主要 |
| 00:13:23,000 | 00:13:26,000 | 除了把現有的這個制度 |
| 00:13:26,000 | 00:13:28,000 | 一直在往好的方向走 |
| 00:13:28,000 | 00:13:31,000 | 這個我們在希望能夠滾動式修正 |
| 00:13:31,000 | 00:13:34,000 | 大概我們目前未來會著重在一個 |
| 00:13:34,000 | 00:13:37,000 | 教師權益的一個確保 |
| 00:13:37,000 | 00:13:41,000 | 預防這一個所謂的職場的不法侵害 |
| 00:13:41,000 | 00:13:44,000 | 這個部分我們希望能夠把它納進去 |
| 00:13:44,000 | 00:13:45,000 | 那另外一個就是 |
| 00:13:45,000 | 00:13:49,000 | 我們怎麼樣去明文的確保這一個 |
| 00:13:49,000 | 00:13:53,000 | 教師的這一個合理管教的這一個 |
| 00:13:53,000 | 00:13:57,000 | 這樣的一個合理管教的這樣一個管教權 |
| 00:13:57,000 | 00:14:00,000 | 這一個也是我們在未來裡邊 |
| 00:14:00,000 | 00:14:03,000 | 我們目前在整個辦法裡邊會 |
| 00:14:03,000 | 00:14:05,000 | 朝那個方向來更精進 |
| 00:14:05,000 | 00:14:06,000 | 謝謝部長的說明 |
| 00:14:06,000 | 00:14:07,000 | 因為據我的了解 |
| 00:14:07,000 | 00:14:10,000 | 你們的確都有邀請第一線的教師團體 |
| 00:14:10,000 | 00:14:12,000 | 雖然我覺得還可以邀得更廣一些 |
| 00:14:12,000 | 00:14:16,000 | 那我自己也邀了主要的這些團體 |
| 00:14:16,000 | 00:14:18,000 | 一一跟他們深入的對話 |
| 00:14:18,000 | 00:14:20,000 | 那所以我想在這個時候 |
| 00:14:20,000 | 00:14:24,000 | 你們還沒有公布你們的一些滾動式檢討的內容的時候 |
| 00:14:24,000 | 00:14:26,000 | 我想有五大提醒 |
| 00:14:26,000 | 00:14:28,000 | 第一個剛剛部長也有提到 |
| 00:14:28,000 | 00:14:30,000 | 教師目前最關心的就是 |
| 00:14:30,000 | 00:14:34,000 | 如何解決濫素或者少數的恐龍家長的問題 |
| 00:14:34,000 | 00:14:36,000 | 那保護教師 |
| 00:14:36,000 | 00:14:38,000 | 那您剛剛有講到明文規範 |
| 00:14:38,000 | 00:14:41,000 | 受理不受理的理由該退回就退回 |
| 00:14:41,000 | 00:14:43,000 | 那依照職安法 |
| 00:14:43,000 | 00:14:44,000 | 我想剛剛部長有提到 |
| 00:14:44,000 | 00:14:46,000 | 其實我們未還委員會 |
| 00:14:46,000 | 00:14:48,000 | 勞動部這邊有職安法 |
| 00:14:48,000 | 00:14:52,000 | 那可以制定校園不法的侵害預防指引 |
| 00:14:52,000 | 00:14:56,000 | 就跟醫護他不應該被不合理的病人的要求 |
| 00:14:56,000 | 00:14:58,000 | 就是各種的霸凌 |
| 00:14:58,000 | 00:15:01,000 | 那第二個無辜教師的補償 |
| 00:15:01,000 | 00:15:04,000 | 雖然教文委員已經做了部分的改善 |
| 00:15:04,000 | 00:15:07,000 | 那大家還是認為其實他沒有完整的薪水 |
| 00:15:07,000 | 00:15:09,000 | 如果最後被判他 |
| 00:15:09,000 | 00:15:11,000 | 基本上是無辜的老師 |
| 00:15:11,000 | 00:15:13,000 | 還有名譽回復的問題 |
| 00:15:13,000 | 00:15:16,000 | 那這裡代理教師又更受傷 |
| 00:15:16,000 | 00:15:19,000 | 那還有調查報告委員名單不遮蔽 |
| 00:15:19,000 | 00:15:22,000 | 還有調查要更有教育的專業 |
| 00:15:22,000 | 00:15:24,000 | 那當然很多的減壓措施 |
| 00:15:24,000 | 00:15:26,000 | 那我想我就 |
| 00:15:32,000 | 00:15:34,000 | 好謝謝蔡委員質詢 |
| 00:15:34,000 | 00:15:35,000 | 謝謝主任長 |
| 00:15:35,000 | 00:15:37,000 | 相關部會首長備詢謝謝 |