iVOD / 17117

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IVOD_ID 17117
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17117
日期 2025-12-12
會議資料.會議代碼 院會-11-4-13
會議資料.會議代碼:str 第11屆第4會期第13次會議
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 4
會議資料.會次 13
會議資料.種類 院會
會議資料.標題 第11屆第4會期第13次會議
影片種類 Full
開始時間 2025-12-12T08:31:09+08:00
結束時間 2025-12-12T16:35:00+08:00
影片長度 08:03:51
支援功能[0] ai-transcript
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會議時間 2025-12-12T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 第11屆第4會期第13次會議(事由:一、討論事項:本院交通委員會報告併案審查委員徐欣瑩等18人、委員陳俊宇等20人、委員李昆澤等19人分別擬具「技師法第十一條條文修正草案」、委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等19人及委員林俊憲等21人分別擬具「技師法第十一條及第四十二條條文修正草案」案等5案。二、12月12日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、12月16日下午5時至6時為處理臨時提案時間。)
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transcript.whisperx[12].text 很諷刺的是蕭美琴副總統過去擔任令委的時候曾經主張鬆綁雙重國籍的參政權當時是陸委會主委的吳釗燮更曾含附司法院指出大陸人民不適用國籍法應優先適用兩岸人民關係條例如今卻反其道而行到底是忘了過去還是害怕想起來很荒謬的是在院會及公聽會當中民進黨的官員不斷地將陸配
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transcript.whisperx[13].text 參政操作為國安問題本席要強調的是真正的國安問題不是一再限制人民的權利而是要維持憲政秩序正確的操作
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transcript.whisperx[14].text 立法院從來沒有修改過憲法兩岸人民關係條例也仍然有效的存在但是行政機關卻擅自改變外國的定義不當的限縮人民的權利這才是真正威脅法治的事情中國國民黨提出了國籍法的修正草案是希望回到憲法結構回到兩岸人民關係條例的本質明確規範大陸地區的人民已經取得中華民國國籍者
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transcript.whisperx[15].text 其參政權回歸特別法的規範不受不當行政解釋的一個限制這是保障人民基本權利的必要行動各位同仁今天我們討論陸配參政權不是討論統獨也不是討論政治攻防而是討論第一行政權可以推翻中華民國憲政對國家的定義嗎第二
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transcript.whisperx[16].text 行政權是否可以用政治意識形態恣意剝奪人民憲法的權利本席要強調中華民國是一個憲政國家參政權不是行政機關的恩賜而是憲法保障的基本人權如果內政部陸委會可以任意
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transcript.whisperx[17].text 扭曲憲法與法律今天被限縮的是陸配明天就可能是任何一個國民讓我們共同守護中華民國的憲政秩序憲法不能被行政權解釋到消失人民的權利也不能因出身背景而被施...好 謝謝林倩琪委員的發言 謝謝接下來我們請麥玉珍委員請發言劉淑冰委員請準備
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transcript.whisperx[18].text 谢谢观看
transcript.whisperx[19].start 1731.636
transcript.whisperx[19].end 1753.213
transcript.whisperx[19].text 主席各位親愛的家人大家好我國面臨少子化與人口老化的雙重危機從15至64歲工作年齡人口連續下滑製造業長照住宿餐飲等產業普遍缺工這不只是勞動市場問題更是國家競爭力
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transcript.whisperx[20].text 國安問題勞動部提出跨國勞動力方案115年上路方向值得肯定以本勞權益優先提升人力素質廣大用人流財強化政府效能這是台灣跨出國際化人才政策重要一步我們必須坦白說引經
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transcript.whisperx[21].end 1811.908
transcript.whisperx[21].text 跨國勞動力只能支標不支本無法單靠開放移工就解決少子化帶來的國安危機真正的解方是把引進人力提升為便宜人才留住人才的國家戰略缺工不是因為移工不足而是整體人才系統沒有提升政府因應
transcript.whisperx[22].start 1813.128
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transcript.whisperx[22].text 國家人才安全基金為核心做到三件事一企業出錢政府管理打造系統化人才培訓通過安定基金由政府統籌企業共同投入
transcript.whisperx[23].start 1830.014
transcript.whisperx[23].end 1858.421
transcript.whisperx[23].text 導入標準化的培訓語言能力政府提升讓跨國人才能快速上手也讓台灣企業共享穩定高品質的勞動力而建立國際人才共享平台提高人力才能使用效力將人才產業移工境外技術生納入一致人才庫讓企業能依舊媒合求
transcript.whisperx[24].start 1859.422
transcript.whisperx[24].end 1869.58
transcript.whisperx[24].text 需求媒合減少跳草鍛煉於重新培訓成本創造企業共享產業共好模式三引進
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transcript.whisperx[25].text 引進流財打造福國利民利他永續人才政策投入產業提升創新也讓台灣全球投資更有吸引力這不只是勞資雙贏更是台灣與世界競爭必備的金字塔頂端政策我要呼應勞動部我們推動方案不只解決缺工
transcript.whisperx[26].start 1899.417
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transcript.whisperx[26].text 彌補出生率下降缺口而是讓世界看到台灣的競爭力讓人民看到國家的希望更讓大家願意共同打造一個共榮共榮永續發展的台灣謝謝大家 台灣加油好 謝謝麥玉珍委員的發言 謝謝接下來我們請劉書斌委員發言 侯孟凱委員請準備
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transcript.whisperx[27].text 谢谢观看
transcript.whisperx[28].start 1936.718
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transcript.whisperx[28].text 主席各位國人同胞各位委員大家早安今天談的是卓榮泰院長製造了台灣的憲政危機財政劃分法復議案被立法院否決之後卓榮泰院長宣稱行政院沒有必須執行的壓力拒絕執行法律這真是全世界的民主之恥啊
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transcript.whisperx[29].text 行政院不執行法律而且拒絕撥付台灣弱勢族群的補助法律上應該支應給社會福利、教育等的經費中央政府等依法應該支出的統籌款此舉涉及了扣留
transcript.whisperx[30].start 1985.405
transcript.whisperx[30].end 2008.065
transcript.whisperx[30].text 一流客扣罪和獨職罪最重要的是民進黨政府今天沒收的不只是地方政府的錢還是扣留了台灣弱勢族群跟教育的錢這是破壞台灣法治國家基礎的行為公然踐踏國家的憲政
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transcript.whisperx[31].text 行政院拒絕執行這是違憲違法的嚴重違反憲法忠誠義務違背憲法依法行政的法治國原則權力集中在卓榮泰藝人身上權力比總統看起來還大呢如果國家執行法律要看我們行政院長的心情爽不爽那台灣的法治已經就蕩然無存了
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transcript.whisperx[32].text 立法院三讀通過法律行政院復議失敗就必須懲請總統公告執行這是憲法規定的程序現在因為行政院心情不美麗不想執行就拒絕執行這就變成了個人的權力凌駕了國家的法律
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transcript.whisperx[33].text 倘若這樣的不執行成為常態我們各種通過的法律就可能不執行國家豈不就大亂了我們還是民主憲政的國家嗎卓榮泰行政院你擔當起對憲法不忠誠的責任罪名嗎
transcript.whisperx[34].start 2083.12
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transcript.whisperx[34].text 耐心德總統跟卓榮泰院長在台灣的憲政法制上砍下了一道深深的裂痕埋下了巨大的憲政炸彈我們人人都有責任有義務站出來要捍衛國家的法治請大家站出來捍衛台灣的憲政法治謝謝大家
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transcript.whisperx[35].text 好 謝謝劉淑冰委員的發言接下來我們今天本日登記最後一位洪孟凱委員請發言
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transcript.whisperx[36].text 主席 各位立院同仁這個禮拜 台灣2025年代表制出爐前三名分別是 罷 詐 淹除了第三名是天災颱風帶來南部花蓮的豪雨成災以外第一名 罷 由執政黨帶頭操作反民主的大罷免大惡罷讓國人感受到台灣社會對立嚴重
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transcript.whisperx[37].text 第二名的詐不也是國人過去這幾年深惡痛絕詐騙橫行太子集團在台灣六七年的時間但政府能夠有什麼樣更積極的作為嗎也因此 霸詐都是人禍2025年的最後時刻我們要深自反省我們要給國人帶來怎麼樣的一個社會
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transcript.whisperx[38].text 所以我說找回國人所期待的公平正義這是你我都應該一起做的事情昨天很榮幸本席陪同張啟臣副院長以及幾位我們立院的同仁一起前往新加坡三天兩夜的國會外交其中很重要的一個部分是我們深入了解新加坡現在推動所謂邊形打炸的過程以及方式
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transcript.whisperx[39].text 我們跟資深的新加坡國會議員做深入的座談其中有幾個部分他的當頭棒喝更是讓我們立法者都應該要深緻的來更加的思考第一他說公平正義不分國籍很多人都在問他們新加坡的制度有公平正義嗎他用一個最簡單的例子回答
transcript.whisperx[40].start 2235.262
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transcript.whisperx[40].text 美國的青少年在新加坡犯法一樣被編代表在新加坡只要你犯法無論國籍都要受到同樣的法律制裁這才是法律的精神公平無差別任何人都不能踐踏這塊土地的規矩
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transcript.whisperx[41].text 第二,鞭刑不是殘忍,是讓加害者理解永遠的痛。很多人誤會鞭刑是野蠻的打人,但錯了,事實正好相反。鞭刑不是死刑,死刑不可逆,但鞭刑還有教化的空間跟可能。更重要的是全程有醫生的戒備,避免生命危險。更重要,每一下的鞭刑都是讓加害者真正理解他曾經造成他人永遠沒有辦法泯滅的痛。
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transcript.whisperx[42].text 如果有人敢在別人身上留下永久的傷痕政府就有權利讓他受到相對應的教訓這不是殘忍 這是正義
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transcript.whisperx[43].text 以及邊形必須搭配嚴謹的司法讓冤案零容忍嚴刑計法不代表可以容錯也因此這三點都是我們未來在推動的重要方向我們希望能夠找回國人期盼的公平正義就從我們自己好好的好 謝謝洪孟凱委員發言 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[44].text 我們現在登記國事論壇發言的委員進行發言完畢請各黨團幹部於上午十點整各黨團幹部於上午十點整至議場後方主席休息室進行本次會議的議程之溝通現在休息
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transcript.whisperx[45].text 好 請秘書長報告議員會 我們現在開始開會 請秘書長報告出席人數報告議員會出席委員80人 已足法定人數因為本次會議的議程有待溝通我們現在請所有黨團幹部請至議場後方主席休息室 我們來進行溝通 現在休息
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transcript.whisperx[46].text 我們現在繼續開會因為程序委員會本次會議議事成草案送院會處理現在有黨團依照本院議事成立對本次會議議事成草案提出異議我們現在進行處理並檢紙收案現在有黨團共識如下共機六點一議事成草案確認循例一提案先後進行處理二
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transcript.whisperx[47].text 院會抽出動議之處理,循例一,提案先後進行處理。三,副議案不發言,進行處理。四,國情報告案,我們進行提案說明,大體討論各黨團各,推派一位委員進行發言,每人發言時間為三分鐘,並不表決,近乎二讀,交付黨團協商。五,
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transcript.whisperx[48].text 公教人員退休之前撫恤法修正案及公立學校教職員退休之前撫恤條例修正兩案院會進行處理時廣泛討論由台灣民眾黨團推派一位民進黨團推派三位
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transcript.whisperx[49].text 國民黨團推派三位輪流交叉發言每人發言時間為三分鐘發言完畢後逐條討論時各黨團均不再發言並依照各黨團版本提出先後進行處理上開議案三讀後不再發言
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transcript.whisperx[50].text 六本日上午願會處理至一般提案國情報告案即休息下午繼續處理年改二案處理完畢之後本日願會休息下星期二願會繼續處理後續議案處理完畢後即行散會當次會議不處理臨時提案報告願會
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transcript.whisperx[51].text 本次會議後續及依照黨團共識進行處理首先我們先進行報告事項請議事人員宣讀黨團提議內容
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transcript.whisperx[52].text 本院國民黨黨團針對第十一屆第四會期第十三次會議議程報告事項及質詢事項僅限列議程草案所列第一案至第五十案議案即項表所列二十六案是否有當進行公決本院台灣民眾黨黨團針對第十一屆第四會期第十三次會議議程報告事項及質詢事項僅限列議程草案所列第一案至第五十案議案即項表所列二十六案是否有當進行公決
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transcript.whisperx[53].text 本院民進黨黨團針對立法院第十一屆第四會期第十三次會議議事日程報告事項質詢事項擬請三列報告事項三十七案如附表是否由黨進行公決宣讀完畢全院會我們依照先後處理各黨團體現在處理國民黨團僅限列之體因為台灣民眾黨團之體與該黨團體相同我們一併進行處理全院會
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transcript.whisperx[54].text 對國民黨團、台灣民眾黨團體通過有意義有意義我們進行表決我們開始分發表決卡按鈴7分鐘現在開始
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transcript.whisperx[55].text 好報告院會我們現在開始要進行表決請問每位委員表決卡是否都已經拿到好都已經拿到我們開始針對國民黨團台灣民眾黨團提現在有民進黨團要求記名表決我們開始進行記名表決時間一分鐘贊成國民黨團台灣民眾黨黨團所提請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始
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transcript.whisperx[56].text 報院會報告表決結果在場出席委員108位贊成60位反對48位贊成者多數國民黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團提照案通過
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transcript.whisperx[57].text 剛才院會通過的國民黨團、台灣民眾黨團僅限列之提議因此其他的黨團提議我們不再處理列入公報記錄本次會議一時日程報告四項、質詢四項照國民黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團提議通過我們繼續處理討論四項部分一、先後處理各黨團提議
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transcript.whisperx[58].text 現在我們進行處理國民黨團僅限列之提議因台灣民眾黨團之提議與該黨團體相同我們一併進行處理請議事人員宣讀提議內容
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transcript.whisperx[59].text 本院國民黨黨團針對第十一屆第四會期第十三次會議議事日程討論事項提議僅限列如附表共九案是否有當進行公決本院台灣民眾黨黨團針對第十一屆第四會期第十三次會議議事日程討論事項提議僅限列如附表九案是否有當進行公決宣討完畢
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transcript.whisperx[60].text 請問院會對國民黨團台灣民眾黨團題有異議有異議我們要進行表決針對國民黨團台灣民眾黨團題現在有民進黨團要求記名表決我們開始進行記名表決時間一分鐘贊成國民黨團台灣民眾黨團題請按贊成反對請按反對現在開始
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transcript.whisperx[61].text 好 謝謝抱怨會林俊憲委員賴慧媛委員發表聲明對剛才的表決與民進黨黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄現在報告表決結果出席109位 贊成60位反對49位 贊成者少數再更正 贊成者多數國民黨團 台灣民眾黨黨團提議照案通過
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transcript.whisperx[62].text 因為院會方才通過國民黨團、台灣民眾黨團僅限列之提議因此其他的黨團提議我們不再進行處理列入公報記錄本次會議議事日程討論事項照國民黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團提議通過本次會議議事日程確定我們現在進行報告事項請秘書長宣讀第四會期第十二次會議議事錄
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transcript.whisperx[63].text 宣讀立法院第十一屆第四會議及第十二次會議事錄時間中華民國一百十四點十二月五日、十二月九日地點本院議場出席委員、陳委員、趙氏等一百十二人請假委員、續委員、智傑主席、院長韓國瑜、副院長江啟臣報告事項第一案宣讀本院第十一屆第四會議及第十一次會議事錄決定確定第二三案決定依黨團協商結論決定處理第四至一百案其中
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transcript.whisperx[64].text 第十六、二十、二十七、五十案均決定進化讀與相關提案並且協商第四十五案決定進化讀並由國民黨團負責召集協商七一案均決定交互相關委員會審查處理或交互相關委員會第百零一案為財政委員會等所提示報告案執行事項夾行政委員會答案部份十件以本院委員執行部份三件不一樣之處理事項決議
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transcript.whisperx[65].text 財政收支劃分法修正部分條文故意案本院原決議予以維持討論事項第一案至七案均決議通過第八案決議另定其處理其他事項114年12月4日朝野黨團協商結論一件宣讀完畢
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transcript.whisperx[66].text 我們現在處理針裂部分請宣讀第一案
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transcript.whisperx[67].text 請問院會有無意通過下壓
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transcript.whisperx[68].text 3.委員零四名的擬具海關監控罪責不犯罪責修正草案你將財政委員會審查宣言迴避4.委員羅廷偉的擬具詐欺犯罪違反法治條例第43條條文修正草案你將內政委員會審查宣言迴避5.委員鄭天才的擬具詐欺犯罪違反法治條例不犯條文修正草案你將內政委員會審查宣言迴避6.委員萬美玲的擬具詐欺犯罪違反法治條例不犯條文修正草案你將內政委員會審查宣言迴避
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transcript.whisperx[69].text 7.委員 外美林等 擬具就業保險法第19條 修正草案 擬交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查8.委員 武麗華等 擬具中華民國刑法第80條 修正草案 擬交司法及法制委員會審查9.委員 林月琴等 擬具社會秩序維護法 部分條 修正草案 擬交內政委員會審查10.委員 林月琴等 擬具家庭暴力防治法第51條及第63條 修正草案
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transcript.whisperx[70].text 不宜通過下壓不宜通過下壓不宜通過下壓
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transcript.whisperx[71].text 十四 委員王珍旭的理據 要害救濟法第3條及第28條條文修正草案 禮教社會福利及安全環境文會審查 宣傳立委員郭文文的理據 居民健康保險法第31條條文修正草案 禮教社會福利及安全環境文會審查 宣傳立委員郭文文的理據 勞工保險條例第66條及第69條條文修正草案 禮教社會福利及安全環境文會審查 宣傳立委員郭文文的理據
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transcript.whisperx[72].text 十七委員張雅玲等你具外送源權益保障及外送平台管理保障案你將社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查我已通過下案十八委員張雅玲等你具勞工保險條例第六十六條及第六十九條台灣修正草案你將社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查我已通過下案
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transcript.whisperx[73].text 9.委員張雅玲等你去,國軍退出官兵輔導條例第36條條文修正草案,你將外交機國防委員會審查,宣傳完畢。10.委員張雅玲等你去,陸海公軍軍官司官員服役條例第24條、第25條及第41條條文修正草案,你將外交機國防委員會審查,宣傳完畢。11.委員張雅玲等你去,陸海公軍行馬第24條條文修正草案,你將司法及法制外交機國防聯委員會審查,宣傳完畢。
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transcript.whisperx[74].text 二十二委員李柏毅等你據 詐欺犯罪違憾方式條例不分兩位修正草案你交內政委員會審查 宣傳閉二十三 臺灣民眾黨黨團你據 暫停暴力防治法不分兩位修正草案你交社會福利及衛生環境司法啟發罪 兩位委員會審查 宣傳閉二十四 臺灣民眾黨黨團你據 使用拍手說法第五道 臺灣修正草案你交財政委員會審查 宣傳閉報應會二十四案有臺灣民眾黨團提經負二讀與相關提案協商
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transcript.whisperx[75].text 請願會有異議與相關提案並案協商請願會有異議面議本案金福爾獨相關提案並案協商下一案
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transcript.whisperx[76].text 25.行政運行及水銀鑰匙法不犯條文修正草案及要害救濟法第3條及第28條條文修正草案 禮教社會福祉會上環境委員會審查無異通過下言26.
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transcript.whisperx[77].text 國民黨黨團還為該黨團員推舉之消息曾請辭財政法人公共電視文化基金會地方界董事監察人審查委員會委員推舉許良源地補宣傳完畢無異通過
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transcript.whisperx[78].text 法院會張雅琳委員發表聲明剛才表決與民進黨黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄法院會本次會議報告事項記載於議事錄順序授權議事處作進行調整現在繼續處理原列報告事項請宣讀第二
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transcript.whisperx[79].text 2.委員王定宇擔任區軍事教育條例第八條條文修正草案,理教會召集國防部委員會審查。3.
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transcript.whisperx[80].text 委員林悅晴擔任區兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第五條條文修正草案,理教社會福利及危障環境委員會審查。4.
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transcript.whisperx[81].text 委員林悅晴擔任區兒童及少年福利與權益保障法部分條文修正草案,理教社會福利及危障環境委員會審查。5.
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transcript.whisperx[82].text 委員林悅晴擔任區教育服務法第25條、第27條及第28條條文修正草案,
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transcript.whisperx[83].text 禮教社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 全體完畢五議通過 下議案六委員 長津會等理據 貨物稅條 立地稅條 十三條 維修生產案禮教財政委員會審查 全體完畢辦議會第六案 現在由國民黨團體 淨富二讀與相關提案並案協商 全院會有五議我們本案淨富二讀與相關提案並案協商 下議案
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transcript.whisperx[84].text 請委員存心會等你去使用牌照稅法第五條條我們修正草案你將財政委員會審查宣言完畢報言會第七案由國民黨團體金服二讀與相關提案並案協商全員會有異議免議本案金服二讀與相關提案並案協商下議案
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transcript.whisperx[85].text 8.委員陳慶輝的領域所得稅法第十七條條文修正草案,你交財政委員會審查。9.委員陳慶輝的領域行政院組織法第四條條文修正草案,你交司法及法制委員會審查。10.委員李燕秀的領域以詐欺犯罪違憲法通知條例第四十六條及第四十七條條文修正草案,你交內政委員會審查。11.委員李燕秀的領域行政院組織法第七條條條文修正草案,你交財政委員會審查。12.委員李燕秀的領域行政院組織法第七條條
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transcript.whisperx[86].text 徐二委員 李燕秀等你去獲稅條例第十二條 徐三條我修正場案你交財政委員會審查 宣傳完畢報言會第十二案由國民黨團體金富二旅相關提案並引案協商請委員會有異議異議本案金富二旅相關提案並引案協商下行
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transcript.whisperx[87].text 十三 委員李燕秀帶領去外送平台管理及從業人員春藝寶上訪草案你將身為副理事或上環境委員會審查 宣傳並歡迎回第十三案由國民黨團體晉副二讀由國民黨團負責召集協商請委員會有物議物議 我們本案晉副二讀由國民黨團負責召集協商下一案
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transcript.whisperx[88].text 14.委員林倩琦的擬具《森林法》第2條及第15條條文修正草案,擬交經濟委員會審查。15.委員林倩琦的擬具《電信管理法》第17條條文修正草案,擬交交通委員會審查。16.委員翁曉琳的擬具《廣播電視法》部分條文修正草案,擬交交通委員會審查。17.委員翁曉琳的擬具《中華民國刑法》第80條條文修正草案,擬交司法及法制委員會審查。
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transcript.whisperx[89].text 我已通過下案我已通過下案我已通過下案
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transcript.whisperx[91].text 24 委員 王宏偉 等你去 依施法 增訂第25條 出身 集體 41條 施法 條文草案 擬將社會福利機關上環境委員會審查 宣傳完畢25 委員 賴世寶 等你去 外送員 權益保障及外送平台 管理方草案 擬將社會福利機關上環境委員會審查 宣傳完畢報言會25 案 有國民黨團體 金富二族 相關提案 並案 協商 請問願會有無異議沒有異議 本案 金富二族 相關提案 並案 協商 下案
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transcript.whisperx[93].text 二十九委員張家俊的領取行動派遣稅法第五條條文修憲草案你將財政委員會審查宣傳完畢官員會二十九案國民黨團體金富二讀相關提案並案協商決議會有異面議本案金富二讀相關提案並案協商下議案
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transcript.whisperx[97].text 四十一委員吳麗華的凝聚,交事法第二十五條談判修正草案,你交內政委員會審查,宣傳庭。四十一委員吳麗華的凝聚,國家公園法部門談判修正草案,你交內政委員會審查,宣傳庭。四十二委員吳麗華的凝聚,交事法第二十五條談判修正草案,你交救急文化委員會審查,宣傳庭。
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transcript.whisperx[99].text 四十六 委員羅志強等你去軍人及其家屬優待條例第十九條條文修正草案你將呼叫其股方委員會審查 宣傳完畢四十七 委員羅志強等你去監獄刑事法第六十三條條文修正草案你將司法及法治委員會審查 宣傳完畢四十八 委員羅志強等你去兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第九十一條及一百零二條條文修正草案你將社會福利及優先環境委員會審查 宣傳完畢
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transcript.whisperx[101].text 行政院司法院海警水域中華民國刑法部分條文修正草案及中華民國刑法刑法第7條出2、第7條出3及第7條出4條文修正草案案 擬交司法及法支援或審查 宣布完畢
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transcript.whisperx[102].text 委員會在進行討論事項之前我們先處理自委會抽出禁覆二讀的提議並截止收案現在由國民黨團提供疑案請議事人員宣讀提議內容
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transcript.whisperx[103].text 本院國民黨黨團針對本第十三次會議建議將本院委員徐慶英等二十三人一聚青年基本法責任自委會創書經負二讀與相關體驗平安協商是否有道進行公決宣讀完畢決議會對本案有無異議沒有異議本案照案通過我們現在進行處理台灣民眾黨團提供兩案我們先進行第一案請議事人員宣讀題內容
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transcript.whisperx[111].text 法院會報告表決結果出席110位贊成50位反對60位贊成者少數我們作以下決議附議案不通過本案報告事項照原作決定通過我們進入討論事項第二案本院國民黨團台灣民眾黨團分別提案
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transcript.whisperx[112].text 建請院會決議邀請賴清德總統赴立法院就攸關國家安全之重大國安事項及天價軍購提出國情報告並接受委員諮詢請公決案我們現在請議事人員一併宣讀提案內容
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transcript.whisperx[113].text 本院國民黨黨團為避免政府借物統論操弄恐慌藉軍購包裹式編列預算規避監督實現賴總統參選總統電視辯論會公開表達院副國會國情報告的承諾原依中華民國憲法參修條文第四條
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transcript.whisperx[114].text 其立法院職權行使法第15條之一規定,邀請賴清德總統赴立法院,求有關國家安全之重大國安事項及天下軍購提出國情報告,並接受委員諮詢以示均一,若實現法復與國會的監督權,是否有道進行公決。本院台灣民眾黨黨團原提案欠請院會作審決議,本院予審議強化防衛任性及不對稱佔領計畫,
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transcript.whisperx[116].text 本案經提案人說明提案子去大體討論之後即一決交付審查或禁付二讀或不予審議我們現在請提案的國民黨團代表羅志強委員說明提案子去時間五分鐘
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transcript.whisperx[117].text 人而無信不知其可也孔子說一個人不講信用這個人也撩人了啦也不知道能夠做什麼啦那一個總統如果連信用都做不到的話也不知道這個總統能夠做什麼前年總統大選辯論的時候賴清德
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transcript.whisperx[118].text 在全國人民前面承諾不管是根據憲法或立法院職權行使法總統都有義務應立法院的要求到國會進行國情報告並接受立法委員的國情諮詢我想請問賴清德總統
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transcript.whisperx[119].text 面對歷史天價1.25兆的軍費的特別預算特別條例難道身為總統你不講誠信你今天沒有兌現你在選總統時候的諾言針對重大的國政到立法院來報告並接受質詢的
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transcript.whisperx[120].text 勇氣跟誠信嗎所以第一個我要提醒賴清德總統的是我們需要的是一個誠信的總統不是一個賴皮的總統第二個我也要跟賴清德總統說做人要有自信一點沒有誠信起碼有點自信
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transcript.whisperx[121].text 賴總統搞大惡霸的團結十獎國人記憶猶新啊轟動武林驚動萬教啊人人叫好啊可惜啊講到五獎就腰斬啊我們國民黨立法院黨團為我們賴清德總統萬席啊所以拜託齁來立法院團結十獎團結十問都送你啦國民黨幫你辦團結十獎就在立法院繼續講賴總統不是很有自信嗎
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transcript.whisperx[123].text 把問題一一釐清來告訴大家為什麼今天要編列這樣的一個軍購的預算除了誠信自信之外第三個我要講賴總統你也要做到公信啊什麼叫做公信今天你可以看到我們國民黨立法院已經提案了你的
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transcript.whisperx[124].text 1.25兆的特別預算再加上我們創新高總預算裡面的9500億的國防預算加起來是2.2兆啊2.2兆啊那第一個賴總統你應該要告訴國人的是他對我們的其他的財政的收入造成的排擠的效應是什麼民進黨最喜歡喊窮啊
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transcript.whisperx[125].text 講到要軍人加薪 窮啊 沒錢啊 軍人不值得啊講到我們公教的退休保障 政府窮啊 公教人員不值得啊奇怪 講到了2.2兆 1.25兆再加上9500億今天民進黨就變有錢啦
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transcript.whisperx[129].text 我們現在繼續請提案黨團台灣民眾黨黨團代表黃國昌委員請說明提案資訊2023年12月30號當時
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transcript.whisperx[130].text 總統候選人賴清德先生在總統候選人電視辯論會上對全體國人做出莊嚴的承諾他說不管依照中華民國憲法還是立法院職權行使法總統都有義務應立法院的要求進行國情報告接受立法委員的國情諮詢
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transcript.whisperx[139].text 此時此刻國會應該要站在人民的立場站在人民的角度嚴格的把關負責任的邀請我們的總統賴清德親自來說明因為行政院院長卓榮泰已經說了我什麼都不知道相關的規劃我通通都不知道
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transcript.whisperx[140].text 只有賴清德總統在華盛頓郵報的投書才知道最新的民調有66.6%的台灣民眾支持賴總統來進行國情報告請賴總統勇敢的面對台灣人民
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transcript.whisperx[142].text 謝謝主席首先為什麼我們要要求進行國情報告賴清德總統提出了1.25兆的特別預算但像行政院來說他提出的特別條例只有7條幾乎都是空白授權要買什麼總統的記者會講不清楚國防部也沒有進一步說明
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transcript.whisperx[143].text 采购内容后续的文艺费用什么都不知道就要钱那是不是先把先前向美国所购买的之物都到货再说我们有听过热情的总统关心过F16B66架都没有到货的事吗
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transcript.whisperx[146].text 另外,国军待遇提升的问题,身为三军总席的总统,签了总统令以后行政院却拒不执行,这对于居城官兵的气势受到严重的打击,总统有义务来说明,向国人说明为什么自己总统令的签名跟废纸没有两样。
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transcript.whisperx[147].text 目前行政院已經完全的失能立法院三讀通過的法律都可以不執行到了立法院進行國尋報告就應該接受詢問形式可以討論但如果只是自顧之地講跟講到一半就不見得團結時講沒什麼兩樣那總統你在總統府或在家裡開直播也是一樣的道理啊
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transcript.whisperx[149].text 今天 剛才 總統還在說 藍白不知檢討那明明不知檢討的是賴清德大罷免大失敗以後依然顧我賴清德總統你有個子就來立法院講這句話啊你在外面講了這麼多 你不敢來立法院講藍白沒有 藍白不知檢討 你來立法院講我們來向你詢問 到底你這話什麼意思
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transcript.whisperx[150].text 所以歸縮可笑只過40%永遠都是少數總統謝謝謝謝許巧欣委員的發言發言會在議場二樓旁聽又來了一批遠道而來的高雄市民好朋友來立法院參訪我們掌聲歡迎我們接下來請陳昭之委員發言沈伯陽委員請準備
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transcript.whisperx[151].text 院長各位同事還有媒體朋友跟上面友好的來賓我國115年度中央政府的國防預算編列高達9495億相較去年暴增了16%已經超過GDP的3%
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transcript.whisperx[152].text 在總預算案三位進入國會審議之前賴總統竟又透過美國媒體投書進行公開說明將對美國軍購提供一筆12500億元的特別預算而且宣告我們的國防支出將要拉高到5%的GDP
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transcript.whisperx[153].text 這樣的政策方向不但是財政規模上前所未見而且它將牽動整個國家的財政結構還有公共資源的配置但是這麼攸關全民利益的重大政策卻從來沒有跟國會溝通也沒有透過
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transcript.whisperx[154].text 行政的程序公開說明11月26號賴總統還在守護民主台灣國安行動方案的記者會說2027年中國將武攻台灣作為我國軍費大幅擴增的一個核心論述這個說法跟美國國會的報告內容相差很大但已經引起國人的恐慌了
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transcript.whisperx[155].text 另外對美國的軍購已經多年的延宕我們至今部分裝備未見身影但是政府卻持續的增加採購繼續編列預算戰力還沒有形成但是國家的財政負擔已經在加重各位同仁政府可以有政策的選擇但不能缺乏問責
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transcript.whisperx[156].text 國家的重大政策不能讓國人跟國會成為最後的知情者所以本黨主張在審議強化防衛任性及不對稱戰略計畫的採購的特別預算特別條例及特別預算案之前總統應該履行他在2023年的承諾
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transcript.whisperx[157].text 總統有義務應立法院要求到國會進行國情報告接受立委的國情諮詢所以本黨要求總統應該到立法院對國家安全兩岸情勢對美的軍購以及國防預算怎麼規劃向國人跟國會說清楚這件事攸關程序正義
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transcript.whisperx[158].text 有關國家的財政有關民主責任更有關人民對政府還有對總統的信賴所以請賴總統要履行您自己的承諾到國會來進行國情報告接受好謝謝陳昭之委員的發言
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transcript.whisperx[159].text 報告院會現在一場二樓旁聽又來了一批我們台北市育成高中的同學們我們掌聲歡迎大家接下來我們請登記第三號沈伯陽委員請發言
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transcript.whisperx[160].text 主席還有各位委員針對國民黨跟民眾黨提出的這個決議案所要求這個賴總統先來立法院做了國情報告跟這個強化國防任性有關我必須要講這完全是一個充滿政治算計跟邏輯謬誤的一個提案因為時間因素只有三分鐘我講三點就好第一個是程序上的一個荒謬提案中洋洋灑灑寫了一堆對軍購內容的疑慮有沒有排擠
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transcript.whisperx[161].text 我想告訴各位委員如果對這件事情有意見不就應該進去國防外交委員會審查嗎
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transcript.whisperx[162].text 程旭委員會還有現在不就只是針對格式來看嗎如果這個沒有問題的話為什麼不敢赴委赴委之後可以得到更多的資料就可以知道到底錢有沒有花在刀口上為什麼不願意赴委進去國防外交委員會做辯論這不是一件很奇怪的事情嗎而且這件事情為什麼要跟總統來報告做掛鉤呢
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transcript.whisperx[163].text 那如果你們以後只要遇到你們不喜歡的法案就說總統沒有來報告所以我就不想審這個法案這個合理嗎所以不要忘記之前我們復議案的時候卓院長講了多少次要來報告有讓他來報告嗎沒有嘛所以你們就是選擇性的要聽自己想聽的東西而已不是嗎所以如果真的對軍公的內容要討論那就請副委討論大家正正當當來看這筆錢怎麼花不是嗎
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transcript.whisperx[164].text 再來第二個剛剛一直提到說2023年這個總統有講過說這個國情報告我必須要講作為立法委員剛剛說不要什麼說謊啦什麼等等之類的我是覺得作為一個立法委員第一件事情要識字啊2024年15條之一就已經宣告直接指定內容及問及答是違憲啊
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transcript.whisperx[166].text 最後第三點我要說8年1.25兆但是等一下下午要表決的是10年7千億啊你們拒絕的是年輕人的未來是要保護下一代的這一個國防預算但你們要給的是什麼10年7千億給退休的公交請問這不是天價嗎請問這個天價為什麼就這樣胡亂的就要表決過去呢為什麼只為了特定族群的利益卻不願意守護國家的未來呢以上 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[167].text 好 謝謝沈博洋委員的發言現在有國民黨團 臺灣民眾黨團分別提《禁復二讀》
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transcript.whisperx[168].text 依照黨團共識本案 盡附二讀依據立法院職權新釋法第74條之一規定交付黨團協商我們現在作以下決議交付黨團協商並由國民黨團、台灣民眾黨團共同負責召集協商
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transcript.whisperx[169].text 我們上午的會議進行到此為止下午2點30分繼續開會處理後續討論事項現在休息
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transcript.whisperx[170].text 谢谢大家
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transcript.whisperx[171].text 由 Amara.org 社群提供的字幕
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transcript.whisperx[172].text 谢谢大家
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transcript.whisperx[173].text 由 Amara.org 社群提供的字幕
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transcript.whisperx[174].text MING PAO CANADA MANGA
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transcript.whisperx[175].text 好 抱怨會我們繼續開會現在議場二樓旁聽席來自新北市新北高中的同學們我們掌聲歡迎各位同學我們現在進入討論事項第三案工人員退休之前撫恤法部分條文修正草案請宣讀審查報告
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transcript.whisperx[176].text 本院司法及法治委員會於113年12月5日、114年11月5日分別召開全英委員會議並按審查上開草案分別由吳兆己委員宗憲、翁兆己委員小林擔任主席除邀請提案委員及黨團說明提案要職外全訓部及相關機關應邀指派代表列席說明及答覆委員詢問
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transcript.whisperx[177].text 與會委員於聽取報告並詢答完畢後為其集思廣益於同年12月9日舉行公務人員退休之前撫恤法相關法案公聽會私聘入委員外媒林等16人一聚公務人員退休之前撫恤法第67條條文修正草案等6案繼續並案審查大體討論完畢後進行桌條審查並將詢案審查完畢
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transcript.whisperx[178].text 我們現在請召集委員翁曉琳委員補充說明
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transcript.whisperx[179].text 沒有補充說明本案,經審查會決議,須交由黨團協商。另外,羅廷維委員等、廖先祥委員等、徐巧欣委員等、陳玉珍委員等、鄭天才委員等,分別提案,經第四會期第九、第十次會議決定,近乎二讀,與相關提案並案協商。
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transcript.whisperx[180].text 抱怨会本案已经协商超过一个月没有办法达成共识因此依照立法院职权刑事法第71条之一规定由院会定期处理因此于本次会议我们提出讨论我们现在开始进行广泛讨论
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transcript.whisperx[181].text 一黨團共事 請各黨團推派代表發言首先我們請張祺凱委員發言 吳思瑤委員請準備
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transcript.whisperx[182].text 今天我們要向我們敬愛的公教人員致上敬意也要撥亂反正把已經被砍過頭砍太多的公教的退休金把它倒正回來
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transcript.whisperx[183].text 台灣民眾黨提出的修正案不是要倒退路我們沒有回溯及往是從今年開始不要再砍下去了因為已經砍過頭了我們的主管機關是考試院
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transcript.whisperx[187].text 累計物價只是超過5%如果說已經調到已經漲到6%那就調6%到7、8就調7%依照實際的%數讓大家是依照實際的不是每次在打折帶砸折另外我們要提出兩個非常嚴正的聲明今天早上沈伯陽突然說今天三毒過後我們要10年多撥7000億給退休的公教根本是一派胡言
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transcript.whisperx[188].text 因為個人專戶的實施的時候就已經造成了一個切口是3370億你怎麼會把那個東西算進來呢而且依照台灣民眾黨提出的版本我們是希望切口10年就撥補完民進黨一直要用20年多造成了750億結果你自己造成的切口怎麼拿來歸罪給公教人員這樣是太不應該了
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transcript.whisperx[189].text 依照台灣民主黨今天提出的版本我們用的是今年開始填砍沒有回溯到以前而且照顧到現值的跟以後的卸任的然後用10年的撥補計畫那每年我們現在要多多少錢出來只有253億元這占我們的人事費用不到2%
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transcript.whisperx[190].text 一萬萬可以彌補過去已經被砍了太多的該停下來的一萬萬讓我們老師們跟公教人員可以有一個尊嚴有一個保障的退休的晚年好 謝謝張祺凱委員的發言接下來我們請吳世堯委員發言 羅志強委員請準備
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transcript.whisperx[191].text 主席各位同仁這屆立法院是最對不起年輕世代的一屆今天一早有年輕世代的國會助理自主串聯就算承受再大的壓力他們也要挺身而出捍衛自己的工作權勞動權抗議反對陳玉珍的助理費除罪化的惡修這是今天早上而在一場內今天下午
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transcript.whisperx[194].text 討論的時候還被強制要求一個立委只有三分鐘請問三分鐘如何能夠充分論述年改法案的荒謬無理呢所以說這不只是一個民主的縮水更是民主的破產我就以院會表決前的二三讀
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transcript.whisperx[195].text 2017年在表決的現場總共花了整整6天的時間一個議案是公務人員退休撫恤資遣法第二個議案是教育人員總共花了6天的時間能夠站上這裡論述法案內容的委員總共有272人次
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transcript.whisperx[196].text 但是今天各黨只有14位立委同仁可以在這裡發表意見272比14啊所以這不是民主破產的一屆國會嗎
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transcript.whisperx[197].text 整個反年改年改喊咖造成三大不公我已經多次的論述重退休輕限職重公教輕勞工而且年金破產要全民買單
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transcript.whisperx[198].text 藍白的委員只為了討好鐵票的族群 就來扛全民之楷嗎民眾黨的委員 我不知道他們今夕是何夕過去黃國昌說 年金砍得不夠快 不夠多今天張祺楷居然說 砍過頭 要停砍
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transcript.whisperx[199].text 而民眾黨所謂的沒有回朔只是喊咖更是一個虛偽矯情的作為藍白的本質一致就是踐踏世代正義好 謝謝吳思瑤委員的發言接下來我們請羅志強委員發言鍾嘉斌委員請準備
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transcript.whisperx[200].text 停侃年金才是真改革在民進黨欺負公務員 欺負老師的政策之下台灣現在已經出現了一個巨大的灰犀牛文官崩壞 人才崩解我要告訴民進黨
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transcript.whisperx[201].text 台灣科技的教父也被張忠謀稱為沒有李國鼎就沒有台積電的我們的科技的教父李國鼎曾經說他說如果一流的人才不進到政府由二流三流的人才來領導的話領導一流的人才的話這個國家沒有未來我想要請教我們的民進黨偉大的民進黨
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transcript.whisperx[202].text 你要不要把眼睛張大來看當國考人數從10年前50萬、40萬、30萬到現在去年16萬今年不到12萬你沒有看到我們的文官已經到大家不願意來考了嗎如果你不能吸納今天優秀的人才進到政府體系
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transcript.whisperx[203].text 請問你如何推出像當年的十大建設如何推出像當年的新竹科學園區如何去創造所謂的台積電你把公務員踩在腳底下國家焉有未來同樣的老師也是啊今天如果沒有老師優秀老師培養我們的下一代培養國家的棟樑跟人才台灣哪有未來可言
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transcript.whisperx[204].text 民進黨口口聲聲喊窮然後遇到今天勞保他就說撥補就是改革撥補啊但是遇到公務員老師他說什麼公教你不值得你們不值得不配遇到今天1.25兆的龐大的天價的軍費總統連來立法院報告勇氣都沒有
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transcript.whisperx[205].text 但是遇到了公教 民進黨可有勇氣啊砍砍砍 踩踩踩我不知道今天民進黨到底跟我們的公教人員是結了什麼血海深仇 我真的不知道遇到軍公教警校 民進黨就是砍就是汙名化他們但是呢 沒關係今天國民黨我們就站在軍公教警校這一邊
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transcript.whisperx[206].text 為我們國家爭取真正的未來為我們爭取真正的尊嚴為公教爭取真正的福利 謝謝好 謝謝羅志強委員的發言我們接下來請鍾嘉斌委員發言翁曉琳委員請準備
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transcript.whisperx[207].text 年金改革在2016年開始啟動之後它的一個社會共識就是社會上不論軍公教勞農大家對社會都有同等的貢獻所以剛剛國民黨的羅委員說有人否定公教人員的社會貢獻嗎 沒有但是有人去考慮到勞工朋友的貢獻嗎
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transcript.whisperx[208].text 有的其實過去對於公教保險和勞工保險因為過去物價還有給付還有設算的工事有大量的虧損因此從88年開始政府就陸續對公教保險的不足前後提撥了5141億撥補這當中造福了58萬的公教退休人員
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transcript.whisperx[209].text 同一個時間勞工有超過一千零四十八萬他得到了五千一百七十億的撥補看起來同樣五千多億的金額分別照顧了勞工跟公教但是他們之間一個是四千零四十八萬一個是五十八萬看得出政府的確有對公教人員更多的照顧
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transcript.whisperx[210].text 但是今天我們難道公教的保險已經沒有虧損的問題勞工的保險還在岌岌可危然而我們現在看到的是公教退府勞動的退府勞工的退休金其實目前是自給自足的
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transcript.whisperx[211].text 但是公教的退休金 公教的退幅卻在政府已經投入了3102億之後還要求這個挹注跟撥補還要持續今天在海黨所提出來議案就是要持續的讓退休的人他的所在替代率維持一個超過合理的標準然後造成的虧空要全民的納稅錢來填補這一點我就不再贅述了
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transcript.whisperx[212].text 但是今天很可笑的國中的合作是爾虞我詐國民黨說我們只是停砍年金年金改革沒有逗退嚕民團說你們是倒改年金國民黨說沒有
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transcript.whisperx[213].text 難道沒有嗎你們的版本所得替代率不是到114年為止啊要倒退回顧到1112年的標準這不是倒退嚕這不是倒扣是什麼這不是倒改年金是什麼相對的民眾黨也很虛偽他們說他們的版本呢年金的替代率到114為止明年開始不要再往下修了
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transcript.whisperx[214].text 說砍過頭 既然你們認為年金砍過頭 為什麼不彌補呢兩個政黨 一藍一白 合作唱雙簧 都在說謊待會兒的表決我們看得到 民眾黨的提議 國民黨不支持但是國民黨倒退路的年改 民眾黨會支持根本就是為君子
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transcript.whisperx[215].text 好 謝謝鍾嘉賓委員的發言接下來我們請翁曉琳委員發言陳培宇委員請準備
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transcript.whisperx[216].text 大家好我們很高興的看到公教人員退休金停砍法案今天可以排入院會的二讀和三讀的議程本席認為軍公教的退休金的改革制度不是不能夠檢討改進但是七年前這種踩在限制和退休公教人員身上的這種錯誤犧牲剝削公教人員既有權益的錯誤改法實在是不公不義而且實施
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transcript.whisperx[217].text 七年后的今天我们看到错误的政策带来了严重的后果逐年砍减公教退休金的做法不仅让基层的公教人员面临到生活经济的困窘那么对在职公教人员也严重打击士气更恐怖的是造成整个军公教人才体系的崩坏看看台湾现在是军队找不到这个阿兵哥
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transcript.whisperx[218].text 政府找不到公務員學校找不到老師更不用說我們整個國家都快拼不到公僕了更不用說是要拼到優質的公僕這次公教園園退休金制度的再改革其實是亡羊補牢
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transcript.whisperx[219].text 是個最小幅度的改革是個止血停損的改革所以公教退休金根本沒有回復到七年前的水準只是往後五年不再繼續扣減不再讓這些可憐的公教人員多損失
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transcript.whisperx[220].text 9%的退休金大家不用担心公交退股基金会被破产因为政府作为雇主他本来就负有足额提拨退休金还有支付保证的最后责任这本来就是天经地义的事情民进党政府有钱花1.25兆去买看不到的武器有钱拨补台电亏损4000多亿有钱编列好几个8800亿的潜在预算
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transcript.whisperx[221].text 竟然没有钱去支付给退休工教人员会哭求说基金会破产那么这就好比一个富豪有钱的富豪那么他有钱盖房子有钱买跑车但是却不愿意支付退休员工足额的退休金那么这样合理吗这种事我相信大家都无法接受的
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transcript.whisperx[222].text 这七年来全国公教朋友们大家辛苦了委屈了国民党的立委们为各位讨回尊严讨回公道不再让一辈子为国家牺牲奉献尽忠职守助育英才的公教人员们继续被这个违反诚信原则违反法律公平正义的民进党政府剥削践踏
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transcript.whisperx[223].text 最後本席也請社會各界要支持這個修法與公教朋友們站在一起唯有我們相互體諒攜手同心台灣才會有更好的未來謝謝好謝謝翁曉琳委員的發言接下來我們請陳培宇委員發言林德福委員請準備
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transcript.whisperx[224].text 我想剛剛所有在野黨的委員剛剛所有的發言都是在胡說八道我要再說一次都是在胡說八道就是在為特定族群謀福利而不顧全民納稅人必須要共同承擔這個財政的破口
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transcript.whisperx[225].text 我要說你們都忘記了馬英九總統告訴你們說就算再困難年金改革也一定要做我知道你們都忘光了因為就連現場的黃國昌委員自己在當年年金改革的時候也曾經說要全力支持年金改革他還說現在不做下一代就會遭殃我要說現在下一代真的要遭殃了
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transcript.whisperx[226].text 因為國民黨跟民眾黨聯手推出的年金倒退改革法案馬上在今天就要三讀通過我們看到非常多荒謬的版本等一下就會一一三讀表決通過而這個遭殃的狀況會造成國家財政將近7千億元的負擔而這7千億元我要再次強調是全民納稅人的錢
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transcript.whisperx[227].text 去補特定族群的相關福利而我要說這不是正當的福利這不是符合公平正義世代想像的福利我要拜託藍白在三讀表決之前你們還有機會踩下煞車不然我們可以看見未來的財政破口其實是大家一起承擔而且我要說
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transcript.whisperx[228].text 藍白一直要說在每一個會期都要推出所謂的福國利民法案可是很可惜我們看到藍白一再推出的是自肥法案就連今天早上助理工會們的抗議都再再顯示出藍白立委只會想著為自己想要照顧的族群自肥只會為自己的口袋自肥不斷推出自肥法案我想這一年半以來大家已經看清楚藍白立法委員
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transcript.whisperx[229].text 到底是在為誰謀福利為誰立重要的法案我要再一次強調這絕對不是福國利民的法案請藍白懸崖勒馬全國人民都在看我最後要說現行的制度並沒有虧待退休的人按照114年的統計
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transcript.whisperx[230].text 教育人員平均月退休所得是57,973元我再說一次 57,973元其中68%還領超過5.7萬元而公務人員平均月退休所得來到5萬多塊而且還有CPI調整機制保障實質購買力
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transcript.whisperx[231].text 改革之後不但沒有削弱基本生活保障對於早期退休的人也已經有最低保障跟118年保障條款的保護如果在這個時候按照藍白的法案通過只會增加不同退休世代之間的不公不義所以要拜託藍白還有機會懸崖勒馬停止表決這個法案 謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[232].text 谢谢陈培宇委员发言接下来我们最后一位发言的委员林德福委员请发言
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transcript.whisperx[233].text 大會主席韓院長對於年輕改革國民黨不反對改革但年輕改革必須要有公平性過去民進黨蔡政府到現在的民進黨賴政府高喊改革卻只找軍公教來下重手汙名化軍公教製造職業的對立對於勞保改革卻不敢有動作年輕改革只做半套
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transcript.whisperx[234].text 最新的勞保精算報告勞保減償的債務有13兆勞保基金將在2031年用光破產面對勞保破產的問題民進黨執政的勞動部部長曾經說波普就是改革沒有砍勞保幾戶的規劃這些話聽在退休軍公教
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transcript.whisperx[235].text 民眾額裡格外的諷刺過去八年民進黨政府破壞整個信賴保護原則毀棄了政府對軍公教人員的退休年金的一個承諾惡意強砍退休的年金許多一生為國奉獻的基層公教人員晚年生活陷入了整個經濟的一個困頓
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transcript.whisperx[236].text 過去每年至少有35萬人來報考公教國考今年僅剩下16萬人主因就是看到政府大砍公教的年金退休年金民眾不願意再投身公職民進黨政府如果繼續帶領
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transcript.whisperx[237].text 帶頭來製造職業的對立世代的衝突只會撕裂台灣社會無助於整個國家的團結為退休軍公教人員找回基本的公平正義不只是國會的責任更是政府的義務
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transcript.whisperx[238].text 政府除了對老保年金的逐年撥補外公教退伍基金也應該比照辦理由政府來撥補本席希望政府必須扛起責任來照顧軍公教人員退休的生活國民黨團提出停止繼續這個年金的一個
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transcript.whisperx[239].text 公教年金的一個所得替代力的修往停侃公教退休年金希望讓公教未來退休生活能夠有所保障我相信啦大家都看在眼裡因為當初要改革是軍公教勞結果現在只針對軍公教勞各一邊而且剛剛我看到民進黨所有花園的委員啦大家都不敢提勞為什麼不敢提
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transcript.whisperx[240].text 你有愧疚嘛 對不對你今天波普也是改革喔那軍公教也是波普也是改革啊大家比賽辦理啊 以上好 謝謝林德福委員的發言報告會
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transcript.whisperx[241].text 本案請宣讀院會所收再修正動議黨團版本其餘提案內容均列入公報記錄我們進行處理時依序進行表決如果其中有一案通過我們不再處理其他案我們現在進行逐條討論第三條請宣讀
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transcript.whisperx[242].text 台灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議第三條不予修正維持現行條文國民黨黨團在修正動議第三條維持現行條文不予修正宣讀完畢
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transcript.whisperx[243].text 委員會,台灣民眾黨團、國民黨團分別所提第三條再修正動議,維持現行條文相同,所以我們一併進行處理。請問委員會,對國民黨團、台灣民眾黨團所提再修正動議通過,有無異議?
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transcript.whisperx[246].text 臺灣民眾黨黨團再修正動議第37條本法公佈施行前退休生效者之每月退休所等於本法公佈施行後不得超過一替代率上限計算之金額前項替代率應依退休人員審定之退休年資照付表3鎖定替代率計算
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transcript.whisperx[282].text 宣读完毕
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transcript.whisperx[283].text 歡迎歡迎我們開始表決台灣民眾黨團在修正動議條文現在有民進黨團要求記名表決我們開始進行記名表決時間一分鐘贊成台灣民眾黨團在修正動議請按贊成反對請按反對現在開始
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transcript.whisperx[284].text 報議會 出席委員58位 贊成者8位 反對50位 贊成者少數台灣民眾黨團在修正動議條文不通過我們現在開始進行表決國民黨團在修正動議條文現在有民進黨黨團要求記名表決我們記名表決 贊成 反對 反對時間一分鐘 現在開始
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transcript.whisperx[287].text 国民党党团再修正动议第67条公务人员退休后所领月退休金或已足所领之月付需金或已属年金给付金额于中央主席机关发布之消费者物价指数累计成长率达正50%应依该成长率调整之或至少每4年英语检讨适当调整但成长率为0或负数时不予调整其相关执行规定于本法实行细则定之宣布完毕
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transcript.whisperx[294].text 本法于中华民国114年12月12日修正公布前或后退休生效者一律以附表三锁定中华民国112年1月1日至112年12月31日之退休所的替代率上限认定之附表三有关自中华民国113年1月1日以后逐年下降所的替代率之部分不适用之附表三如二读附表
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transcript.whisperx[296].text 超过第35年者每增将一年增给0.5%最高增至40年制未满一年之净年资按比率计算未满一个月者以一个月计前项替代率之上限因于退休人员选定之退休年资将副表三所列各年度替代率认定前三项所定替代率与选择兼领月退休金者更依其兼领一次退休金与兼领月退休金比率计算
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transcript.whisperx[297].text 北跑公募事行后退休生效者应按退休生效实质单位标准依前四项规定计算每月退休所得精神定后不再随在职同等级人员本年供奉之调整重新计算北跑于中华民国114年
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transcript.whisperx[298].text 12月12日修正公布前或后退休身上者一律以付表三锁定中华民国112年1月1日至112年12月31日之退休所得替代率上限认定之付表三有关自中华民国113年1月1日以后逐年下降所得替代率这部分不适用之
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transcript.whisperx[299].text 第67条公务人员退休后所领月退休金或已足所领之月付需金或已属年金给付金额于中央主计机关发布之消费者物价指数累计成长率达正50%应应该成长率调整之或至少每四年应预检讨适当调整但成长率为0或负数时不予调整其相关执行规定于本法实行细则定之宣读完毕
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transcript.whisperx[300].text 報告院會 我們三讀條文已經宣讀完畢請問院會有沒有文字修正沒有文字修正報告院會 現在有國民黨團台灣民眾黨團分別依據立法院職權刑事法第十一條規定提請將全案負表決我們現在開始進行全案表決贊成全案通過者請按贊成
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transcript.whisperx[301].text 反對者請按反對棄權者請按棄權民進黨團台灣民眾黨團國民黨團分別要求記名表決我們開始進行記名表決贊成按贊成反對按反對時間一分鐘現在開始
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transcript.whisperx[302].text 報告表決結果出席108位贊成60位反對48位贊成者多數我們全案表決通過我們現在做以下決議公務人員退休之前撫恤法第37條第38條及第67條條文修正通過
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transcript.whisperx[303].text 我們開始記名表決時間一分鐘現在開始
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transcript.whisperx[304].text 報告表決結果出席108位贊成48位反對60位贊成者少數我們現在做以下決議 副議案不通過各位我們進入討論事項第四案公立學校教職員退休之前撫恤條例部分條文修正草案請宣讀審查報告
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transcript.whisperx[305].text 本院司法及法治教育及文化委員會於114年10月20日、11月6日分別召開聯席會議審查上海草案由翁翁、趙景源、小林擔任主席主要請田安委員及黨團說明田安要請問教育部及相關機關應要指派代表列行說明及答後援詢問與後援予聽取報告並經詢談完畢後
transcript.whisperx[306].start 25180.641
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transcript.whisperx[306].text 我們請召集委員翁曉琳委員補充說明
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transcript.whisperx[307].text 沒有補充說明本案精神才會決議需交由黨團協商另外廖先祥委員等徐巧欣委員等丁學忠委員等陳玉珍委員等徐欣怡委員等鄭天才委員等
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transcript.whisperx[308].text 分別提案 經第四會期第九第十次會議決定 淨附二讀與相關提案並按協商另外 羅廷維委員等 經第四會期第十一次會議決定自委員會抽出淨附二讀與相關提案並按協商報告委員會本案因協商超過一個月 沒有辦法達成共識
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transcript.whisperx[309].text 依照立法院職權犧牲法第71條之一規定由院會定期處理因此於本次會議我們提出討論現在進行廣泛討論依照黨團共識我們請各黨團推派代表發言首先我們請郭鈺晴委員發言 劉許廷委員請準備郭鈺晴委員請發言
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transcript.whisperx[310].text 跟著民進黨團提出民進黨團請報院會王世堅委員等李坤澄委員等分別提出
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transcript.whisperx[311].text 對討論事項第三案表決與民進黨黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄我們請郭鈺晴委員請發言劉許廷委員請準備
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transcript.whisperx[312].text 主席各位同仁在10月20號以及11月6號司法教文的一個聯席其實我就已經說過了那12月4號其實我又講過一次這個替代率逐年下降這不是政治決定而是基金精算過後基金到底能不能夠活下去的一個安全防線
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transcript.whisperx[313].text 但是現在全台各類的退休基金我們潛藏的債務已經高達了20兆這20兆不是我們要面對而已還包含我們所有連同我們的下一代大家要一起來面對的歷史工業但是現在我們看到在野黨主張要把這個安全防線給剪斷把替代率鎖死在高點這看似好像非常照顧公教但事實上會造成什麼樣的一個結果呢第一
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transcript.whisperx[314].text 基金會提前破產公務人員的退伏基金2041年會破產教育人員的更會提前在2038年到2039年會破產第二政府撥補全民買單很多人在講說不會啦不會破產啦政府會撥補啦各位啊政府會撥補就是要從我們的納稅人的口袋再拿錢出來繳稅
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transcript.whisperx[315].text 我上一次用的是112年度的繳稅總人口數697萬人去算但現在最新的數據114年的7月1號統計出來618萬的繳稅人口我們來算全市部算過未來的20年將會多撥補4460億如果是用
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transcript.whisperx[316].text 114年的7月1號618萬的繳稅人口來算平均每一個繳稅的人就要多負擔7萬2千多人這比我上一次講到的數據還要更多上次算出來本來應該是6萬多但現在已經增加到了7萬2千168元
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transcript.whisperx[317].text 我就要問大家啦你願不願意拿你自己多繳出來的稅金去填去補別人的退休金再來我再問你願不願意讓你的下一代讓你的孩子
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transcript.whisperx[318].text 去扛別人破掉的基金這些是完全不負責任的世代剝奪改革我們不是要少給而是要讓制度能夠走得長 要走得久我們沒有理由要把這份歷史的共業丟給下一代去承擔再講一次 看起來好像技術性的修法 文字而已嘛
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transcript.whisperx[319].text 但是這事實上是讓現職的人員被提前受到波及的重大影響我再講一次全民撥本是什麼意思就是從所有老百姓的口袋多拿出來的稅金啦好 謝謝郭玉琴委員的發言接下來我們請劉淑兵委員發言劉淑兵委員請準備
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transcript.whisperx[320].text 謝謝主席 各位同仁年金改革最終之所以被挑戰被要求要檢討是因為這不只是關乎公務人員照顧公教人員的照顧而是這樣子的一個改革方案其實動搖了公共事務最重要的核心也就是政府的承諾與社會的信任
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transcript.whisperx[321].text 今天這些被砍年金的退休老師還有公務員在過去他們任職的時代剛好是台灣經濟起飛台灣前煙腳木最好的時代在那樣的時代公教人員選擇投入政府體系他並不是因為薪水待遇特別優渥大家都知道當時的公教人員的薪水待遇是普遍低於民間業界的水準的
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transcript.whisperx[322].text 這些人還願意承擔當時相對的低薪就是因為相信政府未來在退休制度上有相對優渥的待遇跟保障他們相信這一生努力穩定奉獻跟服務會在退休後換來較好的照顧所以這不是特別的優待而是政府跟公教人員之間最基本的信賴
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transcript.whisperx[323].text 然而2017年啟動的年金改革打破了這一份的信任動搖了公務體系跟教育體系的穩定很多現職的公教人員因此質疑政府答應的未來還算數嗎我們還能夠再相信制度嗎這樣的不安並不是金錢數字造成的而是信賴被破壞帶來的長期後遺症一個缺乏信賴保護的公務體系是難以穩定運作的
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transcript.whisperx[324].text 政府如果連自己的員工都可以不照顧不守承諾又怎麼能說服社會他們能夠照顧人民今天推動停侃年金不是回到年改前的制度公教人員都沒有要求要回到過去
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transcript.whisperx[325].text 重新討論所有細節 遑論要求推倒重來停侃年金已經是眾多方案裡面最溫和相對務實也比較容易達成共識的這樣子的一個妥協的方案公教人員願意承擔國家的需要也願意顧慮後進公務員的保障因此沒有把制度重設 沒有要求全面恢復
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transcript.whisperx[326].text 他們做了退讓做了妥協只希望在多年的奉獻之後能夠找回一點點基本的尊嚴因此我們要呼籲社會各界這樣的議題請不要再讓它落入族群的標籤或是世代的對立退休軍公教確實是少數但是這些少數有保障權力的必要他們也有資格爭取自己的尊嚴
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transcript.whisperx[327].text 如果這群人連這麼基本的要求都做不到那麼制度的可預測性跟政府的公信力將會進一步破壞受到更深的傷害因此今天不是衝突而是修補不是對立而是討回尊嚴告訴我們所有的退休軍公教我們都沒有忘記大家當年的付出謝謝大家謝謝牛許廷委員發言接下來我們請劉書斌委員發言吳思堯委員請準備
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transcript.whisperx[328].text 主席 各位委員早上的時候有位民進黨委員說十年七千億是給退休的公教這數字是怎麼算出來的呢請民進黨不要再拿數字恐嚇和欺騙人民也不要一直用不一樣的議題來做相互的比較
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transcript.whisperx[329].text 更何況 民進黨政府為什麼不拿20年撥補的計畫金額來說呢當全序部認為最好的撥補計畫是10年就補齊我們的行政院卻要採取花多10年的時間用20年的時間選擇多花750億的金錢來補同樣的缺口造成更多制度性的動盪與不確定
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transcript.whisperx[330].text 近年來台灣的教育現場正面臨著明顯的環境惡化教師除了承擔教學工作應付行政負擔之外家長的壓力社校園裡面衝突跟學生多元的需求長期處於高壓跟高責任卻是低薪的狀況啊
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transcript.whisperx[331].text 更嚴重的是退休跟退輔制度的不斷變動已經動搖了信賴保護原則當政府一再的調整血檢原先承諾的退休條件不僅影響現職教師的職牙規劃也讓失陪生對未來缺乏安全感去調查
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transcript.whisperx[332].text 每現在三年以內的失陪生拿到合格資格證之後他們有七成不願意進入到校園現場去教書當年輕世代不願意進入校園他們提早離開現場這就動搖了台灣的國本啊
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transcript.whisperx[333].text 民眾黨對於公立教師的退府條例的改革 頂持了三項原則制度要穩定 世代要公正 以及退休的尊嚴要保護我們主張停止114年以來逐年調降退休所得替代率改革過去對現職已退休教師產生重大影響的制度
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transcript.whisperx[334].text 第二我們對民眾黨支持建立與物價指數連動的調整機制當KPI指數累積增長達到5%的時候退休金就應該依法調整這不是加碼注意而是維持實質購買力也和目前的勞保農保
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transcript.whisperx[335].text 國保維持同樣的標準才能夠維護社會正義最後我們呼籲政府跟各黨團重視教師退休制度的社會功能讓改革回到保障基本生活維持信任制度的初衷民眾黨將繼續為教育工作者的尊嚴跟國家的制度穩定把關
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transcript.whisperx[336].text 好 謝謝劉委員下一位請吳斯亞委員發言
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transcript.whisperx[337].text 主席各位同仁我剛剛赫然聽到民眾黨的委員發言連CPI跟KPI都搞不清楚連CPI跟KPI都搞不清楚在這裡面對嚴肅的年改議題年輕喊咖又攔白盒國民黨對不起馬英九民眾黨對不起柯文哲
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transcript.whisperx[338].text 馬英九曾經說年金不改今天不做明天就會後悔而柯文哲也曾經痛罵反年改的團體是王八蛋但是今天藍白合謀都成了柯文哲口中的那些王八蛋嗎
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transcript.whisperx[339].text 藍白自我打臉翻臉比翻書快是因為為了政治利益什麼都可以出賣我們今天又看到再一次上演了藍白彼此丟包彼此的版本事實上是進行完美的互相掩護你們以為丟包的是彼此的版本嗎不你們丟包的是一整個年輕世代我們來一一澄清藍白的謬論
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transcript.whisperx[340].text 年金改革全世界都在做而各國在檢討年金的制度是越改越嚴越來越緊縮因為各國都在面對小子化高齡化的社會變遷而OECD國家的平均國家所得替代率的平均數是50.7%台灣遠遠高於這個數字
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transcript.whisperx[341].text 而藍白所提出來的反改革的版本,就是一個截貧濟富的版本。藍白執意要對領最多的族群來錦上添花,卻對領最少的族群視而不見。
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transcript.whisperx[342].text 這個表格大家都非常熟悉公務員最低保障金額三萬八千一百三十元老保老農國民年金的保護完全都看不到他的車尾燈所以誰在汙名化軍公教沒有我們是要擴大各個行業間的退休保障而我們也更要說
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transcript.whisperx[343].text 今天在這裡再一次透過強行表決而通過的反年改的法案我已經提醒過今天只有14位各黨代表可以在這裡論述跟發言
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transcript.whisperx[344].text 2017年有272位立委可以在這裡發表高見這一屆立法院不只踐踏了世代正義更是讓我們的民主瀕臨破產謝謝吳思瑤委員的發言我們接下來請登記第五號葉元之委員請發言范雲委員請準備
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transcript.whisperx[345].text 剛剛吳斯堯委員又在提馬英九啦又在馬威啦馬英九都已經卸任了那麼久了齁還在提馬英九齁我覺得非常訝異馬英九說年金要改革請問一下我們改革了沒有改了啊現在是怎麼樣現在是因為改革了一段時間所以需要重新停下來檢討的時候我不知道這個時候陳馬英九背書是怎麼樣
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transcript.whisperx[346].text 是心虛到非要馬英九出來講自己講話才比較理直氣壯嗎我覺得沒有必要這樣今天這個案子非常清楚就是針對實施年金改革這麼多年以來的一個檢討
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transcript.whisperx[347].text 讓這個所得替代率先停止扣然後大家來討論接下來應該要怎麼走那這個是其實是對老師這個職業的一個尊重而且不是只有對退休老師也是對現職老師的尊重
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transcript.whisperx[348].text 就退休老師而言當初政府怎麼承諾老師們跟他們講你現在來當老師也許薪資比較低一點但是你退休後可以得到比較好的保障所以有非常多青年才俊當時的青年才俊投入老師這個行業然後教育英才無數結果等到他們退休的時候政府忽然跟他講不好意思因為沒有錢了所以你們就委屈一點然後你就少領一點
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transcript.whisperx[349].text 好那現在他們是不是確實這麼多年來也少領很多那現在重新檢討一下有那麼不可以嗎那縣指導老師也是一樣啊剛剛吳世耀委員又在操作什麼世代對立實際上很多縣指導老師他現在還沒有退休幾年後退休後同樣也是適用
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transcript.whisperx[350].text 今天我們通過版本之後的所得替代率對他們而言退休金一樣會比停扣錢拿的多對縣長老師也是一樣的更何況現在政府怎麼對退休老師縣職老師也在看我有跟縣長老師聊過啊我跟他講說我們這版本通過之後你們退休也會領比較多他們怎麼說他說我們對這個政府不信任啊
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transcript.whisperx[351].text 因為他們會對過去的退休老師這樣難保幾年後不會這樣對我們啊
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transcript.whisperx[352].text 所以這就是一個對信任體制崩壞的警訊如果政府沒有辦法給這些公教人員一個信任的保障那會產生一個對社會體制各方面系統的崩壞我覺得這個才是最嚴重的一件事情所以基於對老師的尊重不管是對退休老師或限職老師的尊重
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transcript.whisperx[353].text 基於我覺得要給人家應該要給的東西都應該要挺扣更何況我們也不是恢復到之前的水準所以不要再去扯世代對立了不要再去扯世代對立了給老師尊重讓我們的教育環境更好謝謝
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transcript.whisperx[354].text 謝謝岳言之委員的發言我們接下來請范雲委員發言張志倫委員請準備
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transcript.whisperx[355].text 好這一次我們能夠為這個反對這個法案發言的時機真的非常的少有很多話講說但是今天時間有限我只講四點第一個程序正當性目前執行中的年改制度除了剛剛吳斯堯委員講的上上屆經過立法院冗長非常多立委的發言外我提醒大家是經過
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transcript.whisperx[356].text 年改國事會議全國跨職業跨世代的代表共同討論出來的共識與方向而且更被憲法法庭宣告違憲如果你說他沒有程序正當性有民意正當性我們看看最新的民調
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transcript.whisperx[357].text 28%支持年改從改倒退但是有55%的人不支持年改停改不支持年改倒退這是最重要的缺乏程序正當性也缺乏民意正當性剛剛有非常多的藍白尾都有很多錯誤的說法我們在協商的時候在委會的時候不斷的指出可是他們繼續在講
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transcript.whisperx[358].text 以退府基金會用完是個假議題已經說了非常多次2017年的年改是政府讓限職者增加提撥以退者減少月退用緩降的方式才能確保年金有序如果今天藍白的國民黨的法案通過的話政府要撥補多少錢6970億接近7000億這只是以10年來當時的一個關口來算
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transcript.whisperx[359].text 這樣子以全民平均起來依照權需部的說法每個國人要負擔多少錢呢兩萬九千九百元為什麼農民為什麼勞工為什麼領國民年金的人得不到好處卻要一起支出這個兩萬九千九百元呢最後
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transcript.whisperx[360].text 南白包含葉元芝口口聲聲為教師權益我就是教師出身我跟教師講過的話也比葉元芝多很多現在的教師荒請你去看一下數字以台北市來講基本上他缺的是輔導自然資訊跟雙語
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transcript.whisperx[361].text 报考应征的人数仍然非常的多是全国竞争下部分的老师所以教师民团的共识是增加限职教师的行政佳绩补助终点费减少不当的行政负担这是我们民进党教文委员不断的在努力拽布也正在努力的
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transcript.whisperx[362].text 最後我要講不要加深限職老師跟退休老師之間的不平等不要加深不同的職業別之間的不平等讓退休老師跟限職老師甚至勾引老師面對年輕要破產的不穩定才是對所有的教師所有退休者最大的傷害我建議這些理由呼籲全民一起譴責拿全民稅金討好特定選民的藍白倒改年輕二改年輕
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transcript.whisperx[363].text 謝謝范雲委員的發言接下來我們登記第七號最後一位張志倫委員請發言
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transcript.whisperx[364].text 院長 各位媒體朋友 各位同仁 大家好稍後就要來表決公立學校教職員退休之前撫恤條例要透過修法來為辛苦的教育工作者擋下退休持續縮水的大刀
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transcript.whisperx[365].text 這一步不僅是遲來的正義而是國家挽救教育制度的關鍵一步教育是國家永續的根本這些教師在腳台上奉獻數十年的青春如今卻因為制度設計錯誤
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transcript.whisperx[366].text 退休後比上班時過得更辛苦本次修法就是要讓制度回歸公平讓照顧真正到位我們必須強調今天通過的法案並不是要走回頭路也不是要讓老師發大財我們只是要要求立即停止所得替代率持續往下砍
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transcript.whisperx[367].text 因為退休金絕非政府的賞賜而是勞動者工資的延後給付政府不應該要用財政壓力當作藉口單方面違約犧牲退休族群的生活
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transcript.whisperx[368].text 近年來物價飆漲從便當到水電費樣樣通通漲如果退休金像食水一灘甚至逐年縮水那實質購買力早就被通膨吃光了所以我們今天爭取的不是加薪而是還給這些教師們一個公道
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transcript.whisperx[369].text 讓退休老師的生活不再被通膨吞食也不因為預算赤字被犧牲給退休教師應有尊嚴與安定更嚴重的是這個錯誤的制度已經造成了教育職場的崩壞根據調查現在高達4成取得教師證的年輕人選擇跳船不願意投入教職
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transcript.whisperx[370].text 這也顯示曾經人人稱羨的鐵飯碗早已生鏽更深層的原因是年輕人也發現了現在的制度出現了大問題
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transcript.whisperx[371].text 現在的年輕人非常聰明他們都在看他們看到政府是怎麼樣對待這些奉獻一輩子的教師當然心裡會發涼啦政府一邊享受教師年輕時的付出卻一邊在他們老了之後帶頭違約砍退休金這種用完就丟的態度誰還願意把青春賣給國家奉獻給教育呢
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transcript.whisperx[372].text 所以本席要在這裡強烈呼籲行政部門請尊重今天的立法結果停止對公教人員的剝削不要再把公教人員當成財政自治的提款機唯有給予穩定的待遇跟有尊嚴的退休生活我們才能留住優秀的人才確保未來學子教育品質的永續發展謝謝大家
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transcript.whisperx[373].text 好謝謝張志倫委員的發言報告院會本案請宣讀院會所收在修正動議之黨團版本其餘提案內容均列入公報記錄我們進行處理時依序進行表決其中一案通過我們不再處理其他案現在進行主條討論第三條請宣讀
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transcript.whisperx[374].text 臺灣民眾黨團在修正動議第三條不予修正維持現行條文國民黨黨團在修正動議第三條維持現行條文不予修正宣讀完畢報議會臺灣民眾黨團國民黨團分別所提第三條在修正動議維持現行條文相同所以一併進行處理請問議員會對臺灣民眾黨團國民黨團在修正動議通過有無異議
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transcript.whisperx[375].text 我們第三條照台灣民眾黨團國民黨團在修正動議通過維持現行條文不予修正我們現在進行第九條請宣讀
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transcript.whisperx[376].text 臺灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議第九條不予修正維持現行條文國民黨黨團在修正動議第九條維持現行條文不予修正宣言完畢報言會臺灣民眾黨團國民黨團分別所提第九條在修正動議維持現行條文相同我們一併進行處理請議員會針對
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transcript.whisperx[377].text 現在進行第37條請宣讀
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transcript.whisperx[378].text 台灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議第三水協調本條例實行前退休三小者之每月退休所得於本條例實行後不得超過一替代率上限計算之金額前項替代率因應退休教職員審定之退休年資賬戶表散鎖定替代率計算任職滿15年者替代率為45%其後每增加一年替代率增給1.5%
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transcript.whisperx[379].text 最高增至三十五年为百分之七十五自第三十六年起每增加一年增给百分之零点五最高增至四十年制未满一年之计领年资按比率计算未满一个月者以一个月计前向替代率之上限依退休照纸原审定之退休年资账户表三所列各年度替代率认定中华民国一百十四年以后各年度所得替代率不再逐年降低依中华民国一百十四年
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transcript.whisperx[380].text 12月12日修正后支付表三认定前三项锁定替代率与选择兼领月退休金者更依其兼领一次退休金与兼领月退休金比率计算本条例实行前退休生效者应按本条例实行实质待遇标准依前四项规定重新计算每月退休所得经审定后不再随在职同等级人员本年工薪资调整重新计算
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transcript.whisperx[381].text 第三十七条付表三 退休赵紫园经审定退休年资之退休所的替代率对照汇成表实施期间中华民国一百零七年七月一日至一百零八年十二月三十一日任职年资四十年比率百分之七十七点五三十九年百分之七十七三十八年百分之七十六点五三十七年百分之七十六三十六年百分之七十五点五三十五年百分之七十五
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transcript.whisperx[387].text 中華民國111年1月1日至112年12月31日40年73% 39年72.5%38年72% 37年71.5%36年71% 35年70.5%34年69% 33年67.5%32年66% 31年64.5%30年63% 29年61.5%
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transcript.whisperx[388].text 二十八年百分之六十二十七年百分之五十八點五二十六年百分之五十七二十五年百分之五十五點五二十四年百分之五十四二十三年百分之五十二點五二十二年百分之五十一二十一年百分之四十九點五二十九年百分之四十八十九年百分之四十六點五十八年百分之四十五十七年百分之四十三點五十六年百分之四十二十五年百分之四十點五中華民國一百十二年一月一日至一百十二年十二月三十一日
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transcript.whisperx[395].text 二十六年百分之五十二点五二十五年百分之五十一二十四年百分之四十九点五二十三年百分之四十八二十二年百分之四十六点五二十一年百分之四十五二十年百分之四十三点五十九年百分之四十二十八年百分之四十点五十七年百分之三十九十六年百分之三十七点五十五年百分之三十六注记退休账请人退休审定年资未满十五年者其退休所得替代率以十五年计
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transcript.whisperx[396].text 國民黨黨團再修正動議第37條本條例實行前退休生效者之每月退休所得於本條例實行後不得超過一替代率上限計算之金額前項替代率應依退休教習員審定之退休年資賬戶表3鎖定替代率計算任職滿15年者替代率為45%其後每增加一年替代率增給1.5%最高增值35年為75%
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transcript.whisperx[397].text 自第36年起每增加一年增给0.5%最高增至40年制未满一年之期零年资按比率计算未满一个月者以一个月计前项替代率之上限依退休教训员审定之退休年资账户表三锁定各年度替代率认定前三项锁定替代率于选择兼领阅退休经营者
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transcript.whisperx[398].text 各依其兼领一次退休金与兼领月退休金比率计算本条例实行前退休生效者应按本条例实行实质待遇标准依前四项规定重新计算每月退休所得精神定后不再随在职同等级人员本年工薪之调整重新计算
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transcript.whisperx[399].text 本条例于中华民国一百十四年十二月十二日修正公布前或后退休生效者一律以附表三锁定中华民国一百十二年一月一日之一百十二年十二月三十一日之退休所的替代率上限认定之附表三有关自中华民国一百十三年一月一日以后逐年相较所的替代率之部分不适用之附表三不予修正宣传完毕
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transcript.whisperx[401].text 報議會報告表決結果出席57位贊成8位反對49位贊成者少數台灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議條文不通過我們現在開始進行表決國民黨團在修正動議條文現在有民進黨團
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transcript.whisperx[402].text 國民黨團要求記名表決我們記名表決贊成國民黨團再修正動議條文案贊成反對案反對時間一分鐘現在開始
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transcript.whisperx[403].text 發表聲明剛才表決與民進黨黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄報告表決結果出席102位委員贊成52位反對50位贊成者多數第37條照國民黨黨團在修正動議條文通過我們進行第38條請宣讀
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transcript.whisperx[404].text 台灣民眾黨黨團再修正動議第38條本條例實行後退休生效者之每月退休所得不得超過一替代率上限計算之金額前項替代率應依退休較幾元審定之退休年資照副表3所定替代率計算任職滿15年置地40年者照前條第二項規定辦理前項替代率之上限依退休較幾元審定之退休年資照副表3所列各年度替代率認定
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transcript.whisperx[405].text 中华民国114年以后,各年度所得替代率不再逐年降低。依中华民国114年12月12日修审后之附表三认定,前三项所定替代率于选择兼领月退休金者,各依其兼领一次退休金与兼领月退休金比率计算。
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transcript.whisperx[406].text 本条例实行后退休生效者应按退休生效实质待遇标准依前四项规定计算每月退休所得经审定后不再随在职同等级人员本年工薪资调整重新计算国民党党团再修正动议第38条
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transcript.whisperx[407].text 本条例实行后退休生效者之每月退休所得不得超过一替代率上限计算之金额前项替代率应依退休教训员审定之退休年资账户表3锁定替代率计算任职满15年置地40年者账前条第二项规定办理
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transcript.whisperx[408].text 前項替代率之上限依退休較幾元審定之退休年資照付表三所列各年度替代率認定前三項所定替代率與選擇兼領月退休金者各依其兼領一次退休金與兼領月退休金比率計算本條例實行後退休生效者應按退休生效實施待遇標準依前四項規定計算每月退休所得經審定後不再隨債值通等其人員本年工薪之調整重新計算
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transcript.whisperx[409].text 宣布完毕
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transcript.whisperx[410].text 我們開始進行表決台灣民眾黨團再修正動議條文現在民進黨團台灣民眾黨團要求記名表決我們記名表決時間一分鐘贊成按贊成反對按反對現在開始
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transcript.whisperx[411].text 報告表決結果出席58位委員贊成8位委員反對50位委員贊成則少數台灣民眾黨團再修正動議條文不通過我們現在表決國民黨團再修正動議條文民進黨團國民黨團要求記名表決我們開始記名表決贊成國民黨團提起請案贊成反對案反對時間一分鐘現在開始
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transcript.whisperx[412].text 謝謝大家
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transcript.whisperx[413].text 我們現在進行第67條請宣讀條文
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transcript.whisperx[414].text 臺灣民眾黨黨團贊修政動議第67條教職員退休後所領月退休金或已足所領之月撫恤金或已屬年金給付金額於中央主席機關發布之消費者物價指數累計成長率達正50%即應該成長率調整之
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transcript.whisperx[415].text 文明党党团在修正动议第67条教职员退休后所领月退休金或遗族所领之月付需金或遗属年金给付金额于中央主席机关发布之消费者无价证书累计成长率达证50%应应该成长率调整之或至少每四年英语检讨适当调整但成长率为零或负数时不予调整其相关执行规定于本条例施行细则定之宣读完
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transcript.whisperx[416].text 我們現在表決台灣民眾黨團再修正動議條文現在有民進黨台灣民眾黨團要求記名表決我們記名表決贊成台灣民眾黨團再修正動議請按贊成反對按反對時間一分鐘現在開始
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transcript.whisperx[417].text 報告表決結果出席58位委員贊成8位委員反對50位委員贊成則少數台灣民眾黨黨團在修正動議條文不通過我們現在進行表決國民黨黨團在修正動議條文現在有民進黨國民黨團要求記名表決我們開始記名表決贊成國民黨團在修正動議條文請按贊成反對請按反對時間一分鐘現在開始
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transcript.whisperx[418].text 報告表決結果出席102位贊成52位委員反對50位委員贊成者多數第67條照國民黨黨團再修正動議條文通過報告 院會全案已經經過二讀現在由國民黨團、台灣民眾黨團提議繼續進行三讀請問院會有異議沒有異議請宣讀經過二讀這條文
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transcript.whisperx[419].text 第三十七条本条例实行前退休生效者至每月退休所得于本条例实行后不得超过一替代率上限计算之金额前项替代率应依退休交给员审定之退休年资账户表三锁定替代率计算任职满15年者替代率为45%其后每增加一年替代率增给1.5%
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transcript.whisperx[420].text 最高增至35年为75%自第36年起每增加一年增给0.5%最高增至40年值未满一年之计领年资按比率计算未满一个月者以一个月计其项替代率至上限依退休教训员选定之退休年资照付表三所列各年度替代率认定
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transcript.whisperx[421].text 前三项锁定替代率与选择兼领月退休金者各依其兼领一次退休金与兼领月退休金比率计算本条例实行前退休生效者应按本条例实行实质待遇标准依前四项规定重新计算每月退休所得精神定后不再随在职同等其人员本年工薪之调整重新计算
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transcript.whisperx[422].text 本条例于中华民国114年12月12日修正公布前或后退休生效者一律以附表三所定中华民国112年1月1日至112年12月31日至退休所得替代率上限正定之附表三有关自中华民国113年1月1日以后主年下降所得替代率这部分不适用之
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transcript.whisperx[423].text 附表三如二讀附表第38條本條例實行後退休生小者之每月退休所得不達超過一替代率上限計算之金額前項替代率因依退休較幾元省定之退休年資照附表三鎖定替代率計算任職滿15年至第40年者照前條第二項規定辦理
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transcript.whisperx[424].text 前项替代率之上限依退休教职员选定之退休年资照副表三所列而更年度替代率认定前三项所定替代率于选择兼领月退休金者更依其兼领一次退休金与兼领月退休金比率计算
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transcript.whisperx[425].text 本条例实行后退休生效者应按退休生效时之待遇标准依前四项规定计算每月退休所得精神定后不再随再职同等级人员本年公信之调整重新计算本条例于中华民国114年12月12日修正公布前或后退休生效者一律以付表三锁定中华民国112年1月1日至112年12月31日之退休所得替代率上限认定之
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transcript.whisperx[426].text 附表三有关自中华民国一百十三年一月一日以后逐年下降所得替代率之部分不适用之第六十七条教职员退休后所领月退休金或已足所领之月付需金或已属年金给付金额于中央主席机关方部之商费者无加整数
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transcript.whisperx[427].text 宣讀完畢
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transcript.whisperx[428].text 我們三讀條文已經宣讀完畢請問院會有沒有文字修正沒有文字修正我們現在有國民黨團台灣民眾黨黨團分別依據立法院職宣新司法第十一條規定提請將全案負表決我們現在進行全案表決贊成全案通過者
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transcript.whisperx[429].text 請按贊成 反對 請按反對棄權 請按棄權民進黨團要求記名表決國民黨團 台灣民眾黨團共同要求記名表決我們開始進行記名表決時間一分鐘 現在開始
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transcript.whisperx[430].text 辦議會報告表決結果在場委員110位贊成60位反對50位贊成者多數全案表決通過我們現在做以下決議公立學校教職員退休之前撫恤條例第37條第38條及第67條條文修正通過
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transcript.whisperx[431].text 現在有民進黨團、國民黨團要求記名表決我們開始記名表決時間一分鐘現在開始
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