| IVOD_ID |
17116 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17116 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
黨團協商-2025121078 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-11T08:36:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-11T11:22:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:45:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2025-12-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院黨團協商（事由：一、繼續研商「中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算及綜計表－營業及非營業部分」案。二、研商「公職人員選舉罷免法第五十七條條文修正草案」等案。（國民黨黨團提議）三、研商「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法第三十七條條文修正草案」等案、「公立學校教職員退休資遣撫卹條例第六十七條條文修正草案」等案。（國民黨黨團提議）四、研商「青年發展基本法草案」等案。（台灣民眾黨黨團提議）） |
| 委員名稱 |
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| 委員發言時間 |
08:36:07 - 11:22:00 |
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谢谢大家 |
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好 謝謝 謝謝各位黨團幹部謝謝大家 謝謝各位列席的官員我們今天協商的題目四個題目第一題是114年度附屬單位預算案第二題是選罷法修正案第三題是公務人員 |
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退休之前撫恤法以及公立學校教職員退休之前撫恤條例修正案第四題是青年基本法制定案我們將依序進行協商主席要抗議啊主席不接電話 院長不接電話我們曾經一直問為什麼今天上午9點就要開協商呢有啊 那個許主任你的辦公室主任 許元榮 許主任 |
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你的隨乎我這邊電話紀錄都有啊我們昨天就要問為什麼今天協商要開9點啊我們難道不能夠請教院長嗎院長連這樣的資訊都不願意接嗎來我講兩件事情今天我們罕見的草野協商定在9點這個9點不是不可以你要今天凌晨一點我們都奉陪但是今天我們的協商題目有其中包括了 |
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公務人員退休之前撫恤法這個法在哪裡審在司法法制委員審這個法我們進行協商的時候司法法制的委員需不需要來表達意見需要再來公立學校教職員退休之前撫恤法還有青年基本法草案這兩個法一個是教育要跟司法法制聯席一個是教育委員會主審 |
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今天我們的教育委員會的委員有幾位都到現場來了我們的召委也來了因為今天教育委員會有安排啊對安排核安會要來進行業務報告啊今天司法法人會有安排啊莊瑞雄召委安排什麼安排要審公費助理任用法這兩個委員會的召委都必須是召開主持相關的會議 |
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那居然院長居然就這麼準9點鐘在這裡召開朝野協商逼的這兩個委員會跟今天我們協商主題相關的委員會的委員他沒有辦法來參與根據我們立法院的立法院職權行使法進行黨團協商的時候各黨團參與協商的代表 |
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應該要除了黨編之外要有該協商主題委員會的委員在場那想請教一下我們院長什麼時候您過去有曾經發過早上9點開協商的嗎過去我們的秘書長有沒有提醒你你要召開協商的時候有沒有注意到今天協商的主題有相關的委員會今天仍然有排議程 |
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这样子明显的造成我们委员没有办法依照委员会中心主义去进行委员会的审查还要来兼顾我们的朝野协商所以就两点请院长那么说明第一点我想前面那点就不用说了主席院长为什么昨天不接电话为什么我们三番两次打给您的主任许元龙先生他没有办法把意见转达给你那个我们私下再跟院长请教但是身为我们协商的主席 |
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兩點就是為什麼九點開協商為什麼要選在跟其他兩個委員會同時跟今天主題有關的委員會召開的時候同時協商能不能請院長請主席或者請今天安排議程的州外難民署長說明 |
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因為周冠雷秘書長他本來是在司法法治委員會他應該要去列席說明公費助理任用法公費助理任用法到底立法院秘書長要代表立法院來發言結果他上面請假 |
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請假原因說今天早上的9點院長開協商難不成他不想要去上面列席說明公會助理任用法特別請院長定9點開協商讓他有理由上面請假這邊來出席請院長呢讓秘書長一併說明好謝謝鍾嘉斌委員的發言不過太多誤會了我感覺誤會太多了好沒關係因為羅志強委員已經舉手請羅志強委員先發言 |
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早睡早起身體好對不對早上開會也那麼多藉口我也搞不太懂我覺得剛剛嘉賓兄講話我沒講話不要插嘴好不好這麼沒自信心講話就開始嚇到插嘴不要來 |
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最起碼這個小學生規則懂一下剛剛講話我沒有他講話沒講話不要講話安靜乖乖第一個早睡早起身體好早上開會有什麼了不起的也不要當大家沒帶過委員會招委今天就算今天要下來發言還是可以找其他委員帶招委你不要跟我講在委員會裡面沒有發生過帶招委 |
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你下一發個言你上去再繼續當召委一樣啊委員會要審案反正我們委員會質詢反正就跑來跑去的啊今天這些反正這麼重要請問院長我們周秘書長今天來主持這個我們的協商這是天公地道天經地義啊真的早上爬不起來跟院長講一聲啦就這樣子啊早上開會9點開會到底什麼問題我也搞不太懂 |
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九點開會的問題在哪裡 我真的不懂啊對啊 早睡早起身體好對嘉賓胸身體有幫助啦不要再鬧了 好 謝謝好 謝謝羅志強委員的發言我們現在請台灣民眾黨同仁發言嗎好 不用 我們沒有發言我們現在 我知道 會許願 我知道民眾黨同仁發言意見啦 就支持境外開會好 我們請周秘書長簡短2要跟大家報告一下 |
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這個報告黨團協商會其實這個會議的議程的安排不是民主黨在安排的這是必須要說明從來不是民主黨在頒這個議程的從來沒有議程不是民主黨要頒擺黨團協商的議程民主黨是不參與的從來不參與確實 我再跟你說明這個從第四屆開始的黨團協商大概是院長跟議事處 |
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由藝術來管控這一場的議程 |
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1849.52 |
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不不 你聽我講吧我們先不要打岔吧我們請秘書長注意整個一個流程吧從來沒有秘書長沒有在編你黨團協商的議程從來沒有我當副秘書長從議事處長到副秘書長到現在秘書長從來沒有秘書長從來不介入這個黨團協商的議程這是第七 第六的說明第二 如果各位如果要很堅持的話就法言法從六十八條 六十九條去看黨編才參加這個黨團協商的 |
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沒錯沒錯 你自己去看這是從為什麼第一次的時候剛才一開始要求黨團是由黨編來後來慢慢的就要求有相關的委員進入到這裡面來這一屆開始都是這樣處理所以為什麼有除了黨編以外還有其他相關的委員會來這邊就從這一個從第一次的黨團協商這一屆開始慢慢的演變的流程就是這樣這我做一個補充說明 |
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1908.301 |
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1933.327 |
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謝謝我們民進黨沒關係你可以再次詢問沒有問題來 議事規則我們稍微等一下因為你剛剛發言提到我這個絕對沒有任何刻意的要閃躲委員會的報告或者怎麼樣一點都沒有這一點一定要跟各黨黨幹部來報告那今天早上九點開這個會是希望能會因為題目非常的多我們希望能把這個會一大早來舉辦而已沒有任何什麼陰謀啊 |
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1934.787 |
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1955.271 |
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什麼其他不當的聯想千萬不要誤會千萬不要誤會好不好這點我一定要跟各位黨人我們都長期一直不停的開朝野協商希望這個基本的信任一定要有絕對沒有逃避的問題好不好我們請柯總召見韓院長我看你話講得很漂亮事實上就是逃避啦 |
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1957.414 |
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1982.75 |
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没有关系啦我是觉得今天还是持续照进行但是中央兵适当的抗议也要给他尊重就好了好吧就这样开始吧请不坐嘉宾委员您要二次发言吗您请我这是针对我们秘书长您提到68条69条请你看第70条70条的第二项他提到 |
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1983.564 |
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2008.662 |
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各党团指派制代表其中一人因为审查会委员我们这里的第三案第四案分别有司法法治委员会分别有教育文化委员会各党团今天来参加的协商的代表至少要有该审查委员会的委员我没有说其他没有但是今天几天的议程安排就造成了这些委员要来出席协商是明摆着 |
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2009.235 |
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2035.728 |
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是有衝突的我是請周安來周秘書長回去您號稱是我們的活字典議事規則70條看一下六案執行先生我簡單講幾句好了秘書長請求二字八言各位去看沒關係我講兩分鐘你既然要講70條70條是議案的召集委員是各委員會的召集委員在處理的你各位看的是68條就是9條 |
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2038.03 |
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2059.608 |
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請自己再仔細這個 院長不要再政變了朝野協商黨內三黨參加這是沒有錯有關於議案的話各議案的召委或相關提案委員都可以參加我們天天在演都是在這樣做今天我覺得多餘的地方就不要了我們趕快開始吧 |
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2060.629 |
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2084.441 |
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好 謝謝柯董董院長希望你以後引以為戒 這個有逃避之時沒有 絕無逃避之時我知道你的絕無了 好不好我是絕有要逃避什麼我們就是很正常的開會 想法都很大我們兩個趕快休息好不好好 謝謝 為什麼我們今天討論院長 那個我們因為是黨團幹部你 范議員也有舉手發言請監導二要 謝謝他們發言 我現在國民黨好 國民黨團要發言 副總召請 |
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2089.703 |
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2117.012 |
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我想今天大家竟然有這麼多的議案要協商我們應該盡快來進行程序的發言不要這麼冗長尤其是在這個是院祭的草野協商院主持的草野協商不是委員會召集的草野協商剛剛講的嘉敏兄非常優秀把條例都找得出來但是要看清楚那是委員會 |
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的草野協商今天是院長召集的草野協商是不一樣的本來就是黨同幹部才能參加的 |
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而且本來這個協商就在過去在過去20年30年有很早甚至早過9點的都有也有協商到三更半夜第二天持續的都在進行沒有什麼要挑哪一個時程良辰及時來開的其實這是院長的職權也是希望趕快把相關的法案做程序上的處理儘快來完成 |
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我想這個我們都應該要尊重這是最基本的院長職責好不好 謝謝好 謝謝那我們現在開始先進入我們今天的協商主題我們先介紹一下今天列席的官員我們內閣閣員內政部劉部長好 謝謝原住民委員會的副主委谷仲副主委好 謝謝那我們現在開始進入114年度附屬單位預算案 |
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現在內政部進入到作業基金 |
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業務費用456億我們改組決議 王玉敏為提案好 各位黨團幹部有沒有意見沒有意見我們改組決議第二項是服務費用台灣民眾黨團凍結10%改書面報告內政部有沒有意見 請表達意見沒有意見 好 我們改書面報告 |
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第三案业务费用的媒体政策及业务宣传费台湾民众党团减列1327万2000元内政部表达意见 |
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主席 各位委員 國土管理署副署長報告有關媒體政策及業務宣導費的部分本部國土管理署在114年度來辦理的時候都是依據政府採購法相關的規定來委託廠商辦理在今年的年底即將要完成撥款 |
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那目前來講這些大家可能在黨團民眾黨立法院黨團裡面所提到就是說是不是都偏重於少數的這個媒體啊那實際上譬如說我們以電視的這些媒體的托播來講也包括東森非凡 台視 中視 華視 中天 三立 TVBS 民視等等 |
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其實所有的這些相關的媒體我們都有脫波而不是集中在少數那這是第一點報告那第二點就是對於這個預算的執行比較這個執行率偏低的部分那因為我們在這個1.1.2.1.3年度的時候因為剛好是制度的轉變 |
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原來為了方便民眾原來是一年只有七八月才能申請後來變成誰到誰辦所以這樣的一個狀況之下而且我們也是尊爵的一些開支所以才造成這些資訊率來偏低所以你希望怎麼樣所以最後的結論就是我們希望就是說是不是可以文字就是凍結這個百分之十那我們內政部國土管理署會在三個月內來提書面報告然後再使得凍結他們現在提出來台灣民眾黨團就是要 |
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冻结346万然后三个月之内提出书面报告请台湾民众党团请表达意见先去把刚才也承认执行率太低了确实也不大需要所以我们还是坚持减列好我们本案列入二轮的时候我们再进行讨论好我们进入保留进入第四案又费用媒体政策宣传费减列20%冻结一样我们保留我们进入第五案第五案 |
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捐助補助三千六十三萬改為主決議各位黨團幹部有沒有意見沒有意見我們通過柯總召你沒有跟我呼應啊好沒意見好謝謝我們第六案我們接洪亮其他業務費用48億改主決議各位黨團幹部有沒有意見 |
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好 谢谢第七案我们青年安心成家购物优惠贷款等等我们冻结10%台湾民众党团所提出来的内政部有没有意见是 过渡管理署在 |
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第二次報告那有關民眾黨團所提的這個案子因為目前來講我們這個案是配合政府的一個政策來推動那目前來講已經實施了這個部分已經核貸了13萬多戶那他的貸款的總金額是1兆565億那其中我們涉及到我們內政部的這個營建管理基金補助的部分有50億4500萬那這個部分其實都已經支應了那如果說這樣的一個 |
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這個凍結的話會影響到我們這個民眾的一個權益所以我們是不是建議可以改成組決議然後順便報告這個提會以後再來動之 以上內政部提出來是改為組決議 |
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改為書面報告請臺灣民眾黨團進來新星明明出現這麼多問題結果你收花完了就解決問題我們還是堅持先凍結趕快把那個報告送過來我們保留好本案保留我們進入第八案文字修正臺灣民眾黨團所提出來的第八案黨團員沒意見沒有意見我們修正通過好我們現在進入中央都市更新基金第九案 |
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台湾民众党团所提出来改冻结10%改书面报告那个内政部请表达意见好吗没有意见可以接受好我们第9案修正通过冻结10%改书面报告第10案组决议国民党团林德福所提出来 |
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沒有通過我們進入第11案台灣民眾黨團提議改凍結100萬元基金用途請內政部表達意見沒見接受好我們修正通過改凍結100萬元我們進入第12案 |
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基金余额拜祖决议国民党团王玉明委员所提请各党团干部也没意见没意见没意见通过我们进入第13案 |
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国土永续发展相关计划国民党团王一鸣所提出来我们改组决议各党有意见吗没有意见好通过第14案我们台湾民众党团所提出改冻结20%改书面报告内政部有没有宝贵意见没有意见接受好我们修正通过第15组决议 |
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2560.965 |
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柯總召好沒意見我們通過好謝謝謝謝內政部列席的劉部長各位列席謝謝我們進入原住民委員會謝謝劉部長請回內政部請回謝謝 |
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好好你对不起好好谢谢我们原住民委员会第16案国民党团黄人所提的改组决议各位党团干部也没意见没意见我们通过第17案国民党团郑天才委员所提出改组决议大家没意见没意见我们通过第18案国民党团黄人委所提测案我们测案 |
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第19案黄仁委员所提改组决议大家有没有意见没意见通过20案郑天才委员所提改组决议有没有意见没意见谢谢通过21案测案 |
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好 謝謝原住民委員會 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝園民會 謝謝各位列席的官員 謝謝好 請回好 外交 |
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好 谢谢我们继续协商110年度附属单位预算国防部部分首先介绍我们今天列席的顾部长到了吗顾部长 请坐主级局的谢局长好 谢谢 请坐退出冠军辅导委员会严主委好 请坐 谢谢蔡会计长好 谢谢 |
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好 现在我们副署单位国防部所属共代协商部分共有两个案我们第一案台湾民众党团所提的主决议国防部主管部分大家有意见吗没意见好 我们通过第二案国民党团林德福委员所提的主决议大家有意见吗没意见通过第三案国军退出冠冕委员会台湾民众党团所提的主决议有意见吗没意见好 谢谢我们都通过了 |
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好 謝謝國安部退伏會列席 謝謝請回我們進入經濟部經濟委員會非營業的含信託基金部分協商案我們今天介紹所有列席的國安委員組國家發展委員會葉主委 |
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國家發展委員會葉主委到了嗎沒關係我們今天對不起今天練習官員比較多一點請各位黨團幹部耐心稍微等一下對我知道國家發展基金管理委員會的汪執行長到了嗎都還沒到好請坐請坐 |
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農業部的祝賜長好謝謝您好請坐公民教育委員會的陳代理主委請坐國家發展委員會的葉主委好請坐好謝謝各位黨團幹部好的我們現在進入行政院主管發展機行政院國家發展機第一案國民黨團黃人所提策案好 |
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我们进入第二案国民党团黄人所提改组决议大家有意见吗没意见通过第三案张其凯委员所提改组决议大家有意见吗没意见谢谢通过第四案民众党团黄国璋所提减列2000万请国家发展基金表达意见好 |
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院長好 我是國發會主委葉俊賢我在這邊想要表達國發會的麻煩稍微大聲一點 |
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好謝謝院長那我這邊的回應是國發基金已經在114年1月24號修正直接投資事業退場機制作業要點那第一個我們新增了事股遴選標的原則那第二個強化事股評估意見多元性來提升整體投資管理效能及退場的彈性那同時在114年的年初到10月底為止 |
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已經完成一家投資事業全數事股以及四家投資事業部分事股所以在這邊是不是可以建起就是說勉與簡烈那改為主決議以上 |
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第五案呢是一併討論嘛第五案凍結2000萬你一併發言好不好我們一起那第五案這個部分的話就是說國發基金目前已經實行進進措施然後從投資前的評估還有投資後的管理到退場各階段以建立相關機制那並且已經在開會通知中明確展明請委員親自出席管理委員會那第三就 |
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調查所指的這些案件情形皆已經發函或要求派任董事請公司進行相關說明並提出改善措施那最後已經修訂的那個直接投資事業退場機制作業要點那也是一樣就是說建請委員是不是可以免於凍結那改為主決議以上好 請台灣民眾黨團針對第四案第五案表達 |
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主委因為剛剛來了雖然說國發基金已經炒了我們監督了好久那可是事實上進度幾乎是零每次提出來都沒解決問題所以台灣民眾黨非常堅持就依照這個我們的這個這個提案好謝謝發言我們第四案第五案保留我們進入第六案改為張祺凱第四案第五案保留第六案張祺凱委員所提改組決議大家有意見嗎沒有意見通過第七案陳昌明委員所提 |
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文字修正的主決議大家有意見嗎沒意見修正通過第八案經濟部所主管的作業基金第八案國民黨團黃人委員所提的改組決議沒意見通過第九案國民黨團黃人所提改組決議 |
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没意见通过第十案国民党团黄人委员所提改组决议没意见通过第十一案国民党团黄人所提改组决议没意见通过第十二案张其凯委员组决议文字修正大家有意见吗没意见修正通过第十三案张其凯委员所提改组决议文字修正大家有意见吗没意见修正通过 |
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很棒继续第十四案国民党团王玉明委员所提的改组决议大家有意见吗没意见好谢谢我们十四案通过第十五案陈超明委员所提的改组决议大家有意见吗没意见好谢谢通过第十六案张其凯委员所提减列两千万请经济部表达意见 |
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跟院長報告那這一個案子早上已經也這個取得我們張其凱委員的同意已經改為科目的部分後面那個服務費專業服務費這幾個字刪除然後本年度預算97575改為678675 |
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然後下面最後一段倒數最後一段的最後文字中服務費用之專業服務費這幾個字刪掉然後在2000萬元後面加科目自行調整 以上報告好 張七凱委員請表達意見 |
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這問題非常嚴重現在是發生包括那個光電的轉售後力問題包括銀豹起的像嘉義這個製縫池上面光電廠之後他把轉賣去外包然後颱風來的時候 |
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這個廢棄跟毀壞的這個光電板處理的速度非常非常慢那台灣很多地方包括屏東也出狀況台南所以我們非常堅持是要減淚這兩千萬那經過初步溝通我們同意把那個項目放大可是一定要做到好不好這不是只有減淚這兩千萬就剛講那些弊病的問題一定要徹底去解決好不好那個有沒有書妹的 |
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經濟部可以要再次表達意見嗎他們是溝通好了但是應該拿書面出來文字要送上去就把項目科目放到對好謝謝我們第16案保留 |
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第十七案国民党团陈超明委员所提改组决议各位党团干部有意见吗没意见好没意见通过谢谢接下来我们讨论核能发电后端营运基金刘苏斌委员所提改组决议大家有意见吗没意见通过 |
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第十九案民眾黨團所提凍結三十一億四千一百二十九萬八千元請經濟部表達意見是因為這個後端基金這一塊服務費用這塊主要是用在廚藝的這個這個人力的人力的薪資的部分跟保險的薪資的部分那這部分其實在第一委員會的時候已經凍結了兩億那依照我們目前執行的狀況我們是不是建議該凍結五千萬以上 |
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好謝謝發言張七開委員請表達意見經過初步溝通我們堅持還是繼續凍結好本案保留我們進入到第20案 |
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3236.967 |
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對 沒關係 我們保留 等到二輪會再報告 報告院長 報告院長我們進入二十案 報告院長那個剛剛16案是不是可以按照張吉凱委員的修正的文字沒有 我們保留 他同意的好 保留沒關係 我們進入二輪我們到時候還會找時間再討論謝謝你市長 那我們二十案黃仁委員所提改組決議各位黨團幹部 沒意見好 謝謝二十一案黃仁委員所提改組決議各位黨團幹部 沒意見沒意見 好 謝謝 |
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22案陈经威委员所提改组决议各位有没有意见没意见通过23案张其凯委员所提改组决议大家有没有意见没意见通过24案陈超明委员所提林务发展及赵林基金陈经威组决议24案大家有没有意见没意见通过25案陈经威委员所提改组决议大家有没有意见没意见通过26案 |
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3294.526 |
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张奇凯委员所提改组决议没有意见通过继续我们进入农业天然灾害救助基金国民党团陈超明委员所提27案组决议文字修正大家没意见没有意见我们修正通过28案那个台湾民众党团张奇凯委员所提冻结100万 |
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3319.083 |
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提書面報告 農業部請表達意見農業部謝謝提案委員及提案委員的黨團同意由我們完整說明並提書面報告那我們會遵照這個修正的文字來辦理陳部長沒來啊部長 對現在發言 我也沒接著次長是吧 部長沒來 次長好好好 謝謝謝謝謝謝杜次長 謝謝您 |
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3333.251 |
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那個現在張委員 齊凱文請快速表達一件 謝謝沒有 已經協商過就照這樣可以了好 我們協商通過我們再 |
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附送一遍我们第28案冻结100万提书面报告好不好 各位党的干部没有意见好 我们修正通过第29案张继凯团员署提改组决议没意见 通过 |
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30案陳超明委員所提該主決議沒意見 沒意見通過31案陳金威委員所提該主決議各位也沒意見 沒意見通過我們進入農民退休基金 |
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3399.802 |
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陈超明委员所提32案主决议有没有意见没意见通过第33案张其凯反托拉斯基金张其凯所提33组决议有没有意见没意见通过34张其凯所提的组决议有没有意见没意见通过好事件保留事件保留我们到时候我们再来谢谢我们进入财政委员会 |
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| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
3425.294 |
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好謝謝各位經濟部農業部列席的官員好謝謝我們進入財政委員會金融監督管理基金我們先介紹一下我們列席的金管會的彭主委歡迎行政院陳主席長 |
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3427.147 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
3435.841 |
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歡迎您 請坐好 我們進入金融監督管理基金我們第一案台灣民眾黨團增列3000萬元 |
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3463.144 |
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罚款收入我们请彭主委表达意见我们遵照办理好遵照办理我们通过第二案谢一凤委员所提主决议各位有没有意见没意见通过再来我们进入保险业务发展基金谢一凤委员所提主决议各位党团干部有没有意见没意见通过好谢谢 |
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3464.125 |
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3473.548 |
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好 謝謝我們彭主委 謝謝陳組長我們進入交通我們進入教育 教育 謝謝好 謝謝 |
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3506.57 |
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3531.77 |
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好 謝謝各位黨團幹部我們進入教育及文化委員會首先我們要介紹教育部列席的閣員我們朱次長好 歡迎您運動部理部長運動部理部長運動部理部長 |
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3536.624 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
3565.129 |
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這個奧運金牌動作怎麼那麼慢他應該是飛毛腿才對啊運動部理部長塞車塞車院長抱歉塞車這個只有單一隧道塞車今天理部長第一次參加草野協商我們歡迎你請坐請坐文化部理部長好歡迎您 |
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3566.394 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
3585.281 |
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國家科學及技術委員會吳祖偉好 歡迎您好 各位黨團幹部我們進入教育部國立大學校務基金第一案理昆城委員所提主決有意見嗎沒意見沒意見沒意見第二案民眾黨團劉淑冰測案第三案民眾黨團簡列56萬請教育部請表達建議 |
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3591.571 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
3605.239 |
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已經改組決議了跟各位黨團沒有改組決議這個案子我們非常堅持這問題非常嚴重沒關係我們請教育部表達意見主席這個案子希望是不是能改組決議那兩個月內提書面報告好 謝謝請張祺凱文發言 |
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3609.946 |
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3623.573 |
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抱歉這個案子非常嚴重他說台體大他是那個運動健康科的一個主任他恐嚇先生他把那個刀子他把那個刀子插在桌上 |
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3624.551 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
3647.367 |
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恐嚇學生在踹那個系辦的那個門跟那個牆然後要求學生 實習的學生把部分的錢還要充公弄到那個很多學生自己都轉學了好 謝謝我知道就不同意就對了本案保留好不好而且到現在都沒有解決喔好 我們第三案本案保留我們進入運動發展基金第四案民眾黨團增列20億7千萬元請運動部李部長表達意見 |
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沒意見了你讓運動部講你已經入戲太深了李部長請建議修正文字增加收入10.5億元現在李部長的意思是說減判甄列21改為甄列11請民眾黨團發表意見 |
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我們本來是很堅持的沒關係 你就講我們要訴訟來 同意不同意就保留好啦 可以我們同意李部長謝謝委員我們遵照李部長剛剛所提的我們增列十億三千五百萬減半各位黨團幹部有沒有意見 |
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| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
3709.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
沒意見好第四案通過進入第五案民眾黨團改簡列九百萬元請運動部表達意見建議修正文字三簡為九百萬元簡列改簡列九百萬元接受不接受運動部的意見 |
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3711.107 |
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3720.287 |
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接受好接受好我们第五项我们就简列九百万元好同国国会党的干部没意见没意见好简列九百万第六案 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
3721.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
3751.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
台湾民众党团所提李部长听清楚了冻结两千万请表达意见建议并入委员会初审结果办理冻结一千万元建议改组决议好那个张其凯民众党团请表达意见因为大家对李部长有很高的期待他很清新所以我们刚刚那边已经放已经放了一部分这边我们坚持两千好不好好本案第六案保留我们进入第七案国民党团这个一 |
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| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
服務費用一般付費凍結15%請運動部表達意見建議併入委員會初審結果辦理凍結1000萬元建議改組絕域提書面報告沒有1000萬吧395萬395減百分之凍結請國民黨團請表達意見 |
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| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
3808.184 |
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先保留好了我们第七案保留好我们谢谢运动部理事长谢谢你表现非常棒好我们进入文化部的文化机构作业基金第八劳务成本留书兵委员所提改组决议大家没意见没意见通过第九案黄恩委员提改组决议大家没意见没意见通过 |
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3809.383 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
3813.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
请不吝点赞 订阅 转发 打赏支持明镜与点点栏目 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
3826.387 |
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3853.858 |
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進入文化發展基金我們第十三案謝依奉委員所提凍結1%請文化部表達意見好遵照辦理好遵照辦理凍結1%我們進入第十四案謝謝文化部列席的官員謝謝我們進入科學園區管理局作業基金第十四案國民黨團陳金輝所提該組決議大家有沒有意見沒意見沒意見通過第十五案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
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曾经为委员所提改组决议大家没意见没意见通过好谢谢谢谢国客会谢谢文化部谢谢运动部谢谢好我们进入交通委员会没关系没关系 |
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3902.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
3915.987 |
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好 謝謝各位黨團幹部我們現在進入交通委員會首先介紹交通部五次長好 謝謝您國家通訊傳播委員會陳代理主委好 謝謝您 |
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3925.523 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
3946.73 |
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好 各位黨團幹部我們進入民航作業基金第一案 陳金威委員撤案好 我們第二案游昊委員所提改組決議各位黨團幹部有沒有意見沒有意見 通過進入國道公路建設管理基金我們第三案黃國昌委員所提凍結五百萬請交通部表達意見 |
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3948.175 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
3954.045 |
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報告院長 我們這個是不是建議改為病委員會決議辦理好 請民眾黨團表達意見 |
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| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
3985.427 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
請民眾黨團表達意見並委員會意見繼續凍結啦好本案保留我們進入第四案黃仁委員改組決議大家有沒有意見沒有意見我們通過第五案李燕秀委員所提改組決議各位幹部有沒有意見沒有意見通過第六案謝依鳳委員所提凍結100萬請交通部表達意見交通部表達意見 |
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| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
4005.198 |
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我們遵照辦理好遵照辦理我們凍結100萬第7案陳金威委員所提改組決議各位幹部有沒有意見沒有意見我們改組決議好第8案黃仁委員所提改組決議大家有沒有意見沒有意見我們通過我們進入觀光發展基金 |
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| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
4016.848 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
第九案陈金威委员所提改组决议各位没意见没有第十案黄仁委员所提改组决议大家没意见没有 |
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4017.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
4043.411 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
好 第十一案謝依鳳委員所提凍結一百萬請交通部表達意見遵照辦理好 我們凍結第十一案凍結一百萬元第十二案黃榮委員所提改組決議各位幹部有沒有意見沒有好 通過我們進入第十三案航港建設基金國民黨團協議分委員所提凍結一百萬 |
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4045.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
4068.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
交通部請表達意見我們證照辦理好我們凍結100萬各位黨團幹部也沒意見沒有好謝謝我們進入通信傳播委員管理基金第14案魯明哲委員簡列334,000元文匯審查保留案請NCC表達意見 |
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4070.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
4096.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
跟主席報告因為這個項目因為我們還透支47萬我們建議就是不要簡略改組決議好請國民黨團表達意見你們早上早起精神好你趕快講話好本案第14案保留第15案林俊憲委員撤案 |
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4097.901 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
4116.457 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
第十六案 魯明哲委員凍結十分之一 三百八十一萬五千請NCC表達意見是 因為這部分我們剩餘的部分其實不多凍結的部分已經超過我們剩餘的部分所以我們建議是免於凍結改組決議書面報告 |
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| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
民意與凍結改組決議書面報告請國民黨團表達意見本案保留好本案第16案保留第17案李昆哲委員撤案第18案林國成委員我們第18案到第26案各位黨團幹部我們是合併討論 |
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| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
第十八案到第26案合并讨论请各党团干部要注意一下第十八案林国成委员全数减列第十九案鲁明哲委员减列二分之一四百万五千元第二十案陈雪生翁晓琳委员减列七百五十万 |
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4160.043 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
4179.374 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
第二十一案 黃建豪委員所提全數簡列第二十二案 陳雪生委員凍結十分之一改書面報告第二十三案 林沛翔委員所提簡列一百九十萬元凍結九十萬六千元 |
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4180.234 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
4191.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
第24案黄建豪委员所提全数减列第25案邱若华委员所提减列二分之一冻结二分之一214万5000元 |
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4194.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
4218.579 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
第二十六万黄建豪委员所提全数减列好请NCC表达意见是跟院长报告跟各位报告因为我们这个诉讼案跟法律案其实不仅仅是传播也还有电信打仗那相关的一些支出那我们会建议说就三减八十万二十万改动冻结外其他通案都是共减八十万 |
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4223.778 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
4227.284 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
您是說22案-22案是凍結這個我沒有意見但是所有801萬你都是總共都是3-80萬那個各位黨團幹部他就總共這 |
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4239.879 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
4266.918 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
18到26案就共三减八十万元请提案的由国民党团所提案请国民党团表达意见我们不同意好 我们保留18至26案我们就全部保留好 我们进入27案 28案29 30 31 32根据党团干部报告29案林沛祥委员所提全数减列 |
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| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
4293.439 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
30案邱若驊委員所提凍結五分之一31案黃建豪委員所提全數檢列32案林沛翔委員所提全數檢列請NCC表達一些是 那我們這邊的媒體宣導費其實都是法定的一些事項像二少法4、6條還有IWIN的教育宣導 |
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4294.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
4309.845 |
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还有这个我们在交委会还有先前的在预算的附带决议就这个电磁波宣导跟112的宣导还有BWS的宣导还有摄影器材的宣导这些所以我们建议这边都是可以3减20万 |
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好NCC意見統三20萬元國民黨團請表達意見我們不同意不同意好我們保留2933132保留我們進入33案林國成委員所提改組決議各位黨黨幹部有意見嗎沒意見通過第34案魯明哲委員所提簡列150萬凍結五分之一110萬7千元 |
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我們34 36第40案也是合併討論第35案測案第36案林沛翔委員所提全數檢列37案邱若驊委員所提凍結十分之一五萬元38案林沛翔委員所提檢列兩百萬39案邱若驊委員所提凍結二分之一一百四十三萬一千元 |
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第40案林沛翔委員所提到 減列90萬好 我們請NCC表達意見是 那這一塊的推展費也跟前面的宣導費是搭配的那我們有些是社民記財的宣導電視波的宣導 還有那個媒體的試讀還有iWIN的一些相關宣導那我們是建議說這邊就是3減10萬現在NCC啊 |
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要求通山10萬國民黨團提案請表達意見本黨團不同意好我們全部保留我們進入第41案35萬撤案其餘保留我們進入41案租金 |
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常在立席鲁明哲委员所提冻结十分之一十万五千元NC请表达意见是这一块主要是已经积累资金目前已经透支2.8万我们建议免于冻结改组决议提顺便报告41案改组决议国民党团请表达意见 |
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不同意保留好 四十一案保留進入四十二案林佩祥委員檢列三百萬元凍結八百五十九萬八千元第四十三案撤案第四十四案 |
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4466.025 |
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林國成委員所提改組決議第45案林國成委員所提改組決議第46案邱若驊委員檢列30萬元NCC主委現在就這幾案是併案來討論那第43次案44改組決議45改組決議剩下42跟46請問我們建議可以刪40萬 |
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NCC主委表达42案跟46案两案共三40万元请国民党团提案以及台湾民众党团请表达意见不同意国民党团不同意本两案保留43案撤案好我们进入47案48案撤案 |
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好第49案撤案第50案撤案第51案撤案我们进入第52案第52案53案第56案至第58案我们并案讨论其中第54 55已经撤案好跟各位报告一下 |
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4538.412 |
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我們第52案林沛翔委員檢列120萬元凍結59萬6千元53案黃建豪委員所提凍結100萬元56案魯明哲委員所提凍結39萬7千元57案游皓委員所提凍結19萬9千元58案 |
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陳雪生委員改凍結十分之一書面報告第六十案跟各位報告五十九案測案第六十案廖先祥委員所提凍結十分之一一千六百零二萬元好NCC委員主委請表達意見是那因為這邊主要涉及到是外包人力的一些薪水那我們是建議說不要刪減就建議 |
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建議改組決議提書面報告好 各位黨團幹部NCC的意見從第52案到60案通通不要刪減請國民黨團提案不同意不同意 我們全部保留我們進入61案林俊憲委員改組決議大家有意見嗎沒意見 通過62案林佩祥委員所提全數簡列請NCC表達意見 |
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我们建议这边不要减电,因为我们参与APEC的理导制度,我们的同仁担任一个小组的一个主席,需要一个秘书事务的一些协助,所以我们建议这边349万都维持。 |
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4628.513 |
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好 我们进入63案邮号委员所提全数减列请NCC进入62 64我们一并讨论64案邱若华委员所提冻结174万元请NCC主委针对 |
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这三个案子一并表达意见是这个349万是同仁参与国际EPIC里头的下面的一个相互认证的分组的主席那需要一个秘书团来支援他的一些主席的工作所以我们建议这边不要删减各党团干部62 63 64NCC主委建议不要删减请国民党团表达意见不同意保留65万测案 |
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66案廖先祥委員所提67林國成委員所提 |
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廖宣祥委員提檢列142萬林國成委員所提改組決議NCC主委請表達意見是 那因為有點減50萬了那我們建議其他項目就並同總共減50萬其他就不予再減了好 謝謝各黨團幹部NCC表達意見已經三減了50萬元了請問大家有沒有意見不同意保留好 我們66案保留67案改組決議 |
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這個我們66案67案保留我們去改組67案改組決議好 更正 67案林國成委員改組決議 各位黨黨看不見 沒意見 沒意見好 通過 68案林國成委員簡列50萬NCC表達意見 |
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這個有卡到66跟67我們66案我們是不同意的要保留 已經宣告了66案保留宣告了好 那個第67組決議沒意見吧67的林國聰主席林營也沒意見 有意見我們就一併保留更正只要不衝突掉先祥的提案 對 |
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要先想提案我們保留堅持只是同意我們更正66案67案併案保留我們進入68案林國臣檢列50萬NC請表達意見是那這邊的話我們建議說已經檢列50萬我們建議不要再檢了我聽不太懂您的意思跟院長報告68案這邊林國臣委員這邊已經檢列50萬了所以我們這邊就是同意 |
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就是林國臣委員已經提請50萬這個是NCC是同意的那其他部分希望不要再刪減那請問各位黨團幹部有意見嗎沒有意見台灣民眾黨團請表達意見好嗎你們所提案委員 |
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那個 六六 六八 六九 七十 七一齁對 這些都是一樣啊對對對 六八 六九 七十 七一 對所以那廖先祥 林沛祥都跟我們堅持啊所以 所以我們這個案子是要保留喔好 沒問題 我們七十一案測案六八 六九 七十 我們全部保留好 |
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六八已经扣五十万我们进入第七十二案七十三案七十五案七十七案七十八案也是合并讨论我们全部保留七十四案报告一下已经测案了七十九案测案了七十六案测案那其余的我们就保留我们进入八十案测案我们现在进入八十一案 |
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網際網路傳播計畫林沛翔委員所提檢列160萬我們82案測案 |
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然后83案81案我们并案84案测案85 86好所以根据这个81 83 85 86请并案请表达您的意见好吗林备祥委员所提林国成委员所提还有林备祥委员所提请表达意见谢谢 |
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4905.033 |
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4925.046 |
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因為這個大項目大概只剩下88萬預計剩下88萬那目前如果說照這個委員的提案部分恐怕會不足以來處理所以我們建議說變成85案的方式來處理就是不要再簡列了然後提書面報告 |
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4926.386 |
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4948.995 |
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謝謝我們請國民黨團提案的黨團請表達意見不同意我們保留 88案都保留我們現在進入87案到88測案 89測案 90我們併案討論林國成委員87案題簡列20萬第90案林沛翔委員簡列160萬凍結812000元請NCC表達意見 |
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是 那这个法律事务处的费用有很多是那个专家协议资讯相关的一些处理那87案里头丁国城委员已经减利20万我们建议这个就不要再减然后其他都并案处理谢谢 |
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你包括第90案你也一併在裡面嗎就是希望減20萬是好的那請提案的國民黨團表達意見不同意不同意我們87 90我們保留88 89測案好我們進入91案測案林俊憲委員所提92案邱若驊委員所提主決議大家有意見嗎沒有沒有意見好我們通過各位黨黨幹部我們進入有限廣播電視事業發展基金 |
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5010.567 |
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第93案徐富奎委員所提策案第94案林國成委員所提改組決議大家有意見嗎 沒意見 通過第95案廖先祥委員所提簡列600萬元 |
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5015.04 |
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5040.633 |
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95 96 97并案讨论96林佩祥委员所提减列4800万元冻结2366万6000元第97案刘书斌委员所提冻结800万元第99案测案100案林国成委员所提改组决议101案 |
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5042.797 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
5059.571 |
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等一下病案要回头讨论林国城委员100案改组决议第102案陈雪生委员所提改冻结十分之一书面报告第103案林国城委员所提减列100万第104案 |
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5061.953 |
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5066.294 |
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陳雪生委員所提減列300萬凍結3864萬第105萬測案第106案魯明哲委員所提凍結五分之一955萬8千元全部併案討論請NCC主委表達意見是那因為103案已經減100萬我們建議就是全部都是減103萬其他的就配合辦理 |
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5087.898 |
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5103.199 |
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好 各位黨團幹部NCC主委表達意見這起案從95到106案除了測案之外99105測案之外能夠共同3.1百萬元請表達意見 不同意好 我們黨團有意見不同意我們全部保留 |
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5105.54 |
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5129.995 |
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我們進入107案 林國成委員改組決議 大家有意見嗎沒有沒有意見 通過108案 林國成委員所提改組決議 有意見嗎沒有意見沒有意見 通過109案 林沛翔委員所提檢列100萬NCC請表達意見是 那個對於109案來看的話我們都年底只剩餘4.8萬而已所以沒有辦法再檢所以我們建議免於檢列改組決議提出面報告 |
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请国民党团表达意见不同意不同意109案保留我们进入110案该主决议没有意见有没有意见没有意见我们通过111案李坤哲委员所提主决议大家有意见吗没有意见好通过112案陈素月委员所提主决议有意见吗没有意见通过113案邱若华委员主决议有意见吗没有意见通过114案邱若华委员所提主决议有意见吗没有 |
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没有意见通过115案鲁明哲委员所提主决议有意见吗没有意见通过116案鲁明哲委员所提改组决议没有意见通过117案黄建豪委员所提主决议有意见吗没有意见通过好谢谢谢谢NCC我们现在进入司法及法制谢谢交通委员会列席所有的官员谢谢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
5221.312 |
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好 谢谢各位党团干部我们现在进入司法及法治委员会审查我们要协商的主题首先是法务部主管的收支部分我们请列席的法务部正部长好 欢迎您好 矫正署的林署长好 欢迎您我们进入法务部矫正机关作业基金 |
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5224.822 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
5246.592 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
翁小玲委員所提凍結一千萬元請法務部表達意見同意同意好法務部同意凍結翁小玲委員所提一千萬元各位黨團幹部有意見嗎有意見我們通過凍結一千萬通過第二案台灣民眾黨團所提凍結一百萬元同意 |
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5248.769 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
5264.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
同上同上法務部請表達意見同意好 同意好 我們凍結100萬元業務總支出第三項黃任委員所提改組決議沒有意見沒有意見 通過我們進入毒品防治基金 |
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5265.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
5282.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
我們進入第四案台灣民眾黨團所提改組決議各位有意見嗎沒有意見通過第五案台灣民眾黨團所提凍結300萬元請法務部表達意見是不是可以改那個凍那個醫療社福毒品防治計畫 |
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5285.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
5300.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
什麼意思現在它是凍結300萬元是不是改那個科目就是醫療社福毒品的防治激發上一項的那就是科目自行調整 |
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5325.7 |
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是这个意思那个提案的台湾民众党团法务部政部长表达意见请台湾民众党团表达意见因为那个毒品特别是那个丧尸烟弹这个很严重这个我们再列入考虑好不好我们再讨论一下你已经读写300万了今天先保留好不好再讨论端子凯你读写300万你已经读写300万了对啊不是啦他把科目放大啦 |
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5326.826 |
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5337.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
沒關係 我們再討論一下好不好這個我們要一點時間討論好不好這應該很單純這還要時間嗎這已經很單純了不是 已經要處理了你要什麼時候討論啦最近就會討論了沒問題好不好我們贏了會討論先保留 先保留韓院長都說這比較單純了這很單純啦好這個是因為最主要是我可以 |
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5354.499 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
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沒問題啦沒有關係我們就第五案保留尊重提案黨團的意見我們進入第六案台灣民眾黨團改組決議沒有意見好謝謝法務部列席的鄭部長各位列席官員謝謝好請回我們進入未還 |
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好各位黨團幹部我們進入衛環委員會首先介紹勞動部陳次長好謝謝衛福部林次長好你慢慢來你腳不舒服慢慢來環境部沈次長歡迎好我們勞工保險局作業基金第一案國民黨團黃人委員所提改組決議大家意見嗎沒有意見通過第二案黃人委員所提組決議 |
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柯总召怎么精神这么差留意点没有好各位导演刚刚没有意见没有意见好通过我们进入就业安定基金黄人委员所提改组决议大家有意见吗没有没有意见通过第四案黄人委员所提改组决议大家有意见吗没有没有意见通过 |
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第五案,台灣民眾黨團林國成委員所提改組決議,大家有意見嗎?沒有。沒有意見,通過。第六案,李燕秀委員所提改組決議,有意見嗎?沒有。沒有意見,通過。第七案,台灣民眾黨團所提動結兩千萬元,請勞動部表達意見。院長、各位委員,有關於這個動結一般行政管理的部分,是我們開門所需要的, |
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現在的油資水電租金清潔保全等等數目所需要的費用是開門所需那現在已經12月11號所以我們其實動資數已經沒有辦法再符合這樣一個三凍凍結2000萬的情況我們是建議凍結並委員會凍結促進國民就業計畫2000萬就改動其他的業務計畫 |
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主席 那個台灣民眾黨團請表達意見好 主席 明目也可以更動但是我們堅持要這個許明書濫用這個納稅的錢要討回所以凍結樹木我們不敢那如果凍結的這個科目必須 |
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改變到 我們第七案保留好 我們進入第八案醫療 報告院長報告院長 那個他們是同意改動促進國民就業兩千萬那至於該追的部分我們會依法來追回我們會追蹤 我們要求討回這個錢我們會依法來追回 可以啦院長可以啦 文字改變你同意改動促進國民就業計畫兩千萬 |
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他是改動國民促進國民就業計畫的兩千萬不是改動科目 陳委員不是改動科目改動科目啦 換計畫那個促進國民就業計畫他改動那個 |
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他改到上面第四行那個促進國民就業計畫這個不能這樣調的我們到時候二輪再來調的沒關係 我們並沒有刪除好不好好 第七案我們先保留好 活動部先保留再討論我們進入第八案黃森委員所提改組決議沒有意見他現在沒意見沒有意見好 改組決議第九案謝依鳳委員改凍結100萬我們衛福 |
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衛福部請表達意見沒有意見吧衛福部請表達意見 |
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報告院長跟委員因為我們那個各部立議院的護病比在今年8月以後都已經達成了好 那是不是現一份那我們當然還是會持續督導所以是不是現一份委員這個案子可以跟黃仁委員的主決議一樣我們持續督導好不好好 衛福部表達意見是希望改主決議請國民黨團表達意見 |
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國民黨團請表達意見八月之後就全部答清了好 我們第九案保留我們進入第十案李燕秀委員提改組決議大家有意見嗎沒意見 通過謝謝第十一案黃仁委員所提改組決議各位有意見嗎沒有意見 謝謝好 我們通過我們進入第十二案李燕秀委員所提改組決議大家有意見嗎沒意見 通過謝謝第十三案台灣民眾黨團所提 |
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食品安全保護基金凍結20%請衛福部表達意見報告院長跟各位委員因為這個其實多數都是補助地方政府所以是不是可以請委員不然簡列200萬好不好 |
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衛福部的意見就是直接減列200萬元請提案的台灣民眾黨團表達意見好 本黨同意好 謝謝委員台灣民眾黨團所提議本案第13案減列200萬元通過好 謝謝進入第14案李彥秀委員所提改組決議有意見嗎 沒意見謝謝委員第15案林德福委員所提改組決議大家有意見嗎沒有意見通過 |
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第十六案林德福委員所提疫苗基金主決議大家有意見嗎沒有意見通過第十七案林德福委員所提文字修正淹害防治及衛生保健基金的主決議大家有意見嗎沒有意見我們修正通過好我們進入環境部 |
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環境保護基金謝謝勞動部跟衛福部的列席我們資源回收第18案台灣民眾黨團凍結15%請環境部表達意見環境部環境部報告請表達意見是我們建議能改改併委員會決議凍結500萬 |
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臺灣民眾黨團現在勞動部的意思是凍結事務調整為直接檢列500萬元 請表達意見本黨同意 併案凍結凍結凍結500萬 同意嗎好 謝謝我們臺灣民眾黨團同意接受衛福部所提凍結500萬元環境部 |
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第18案是凍結500萬元各黨團幹部有意見嗎沒有意見好 沒有意見我們通過第19案謝依鳳委員所提凍結100萬元各位黨團幹部有意見嗎 |
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沒有意見 對不起環境部有說明環境部請說明是 這個案子其實我們已經執行完畢了就是說我們建議能夠併上面那個決議資源回收基金管理計畫500萬的部分科目自行調整 |
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你并在一起就好了啊对并在一起并在一起也就是说18案19案共同冻结500万元那请国民党团体表达意见同意同意好同意我们18案19案冻结500万元好我们通过20案林德福委员所提主决议大家有意见吗没有意见通过21案林德福委员所提主决议有意见吗没意见好通过谢谢好 |
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我们社福纪委环委会共计21案除第7案第9案保留之外其余均照协商结果通过好谢谢各位环境部所列席的官员 |
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我們這一次110年度總預算附屬單位預算第一輪協商到此為止第二 我們針對保留的部分會進行二輪的協商協商的日期會在則期告知我們現在休息十分鐘之後進入第二題選罷法的協商請幕僚人員準備休息十分鐘 |
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這份委員他對我們部立醫院的那個護病筆啦這邊部立醫院護病筆我們其實去年是真的沒有達標啦去年只有一半達標今年八月護病筆就全部都達標了 |
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所以我們是說是不是可以向黃人委員的主決議就是我們還是持續去就是寫一份對 寫一份委員的啦那能不能讓我們用向黃人委員這個案子我們持續還是確保他能夠繼續達成目的地因為今年八月之後全部都答應了有有有 溝通還沒答應好啦對啊 想說不然只剩一案了啦好啦 好啦 |
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謝謝 再去跟誰講 |
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響鐘 |
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谢谢大家 |
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嗯嗯 |
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這個世界在接軌的時候,阿伯上來陪你,那整個就整理過了,那個七十年來就不一樣了,兩十年來就不一樣了,那個時候還沒有項目的,你還要先退役的時候,那個時候還沒有項目的,你還要先退役的時候,那個時候還沒有項目的,你還要先退役的時候, |
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謝謝您的收看 |
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也許新增一萬人,其他都有,那如果反過來,你們另外同一個人還是同一個人,這個人,這個他,排在這個圓壇的角落,金融機構是一個公司,那他不可能是一個公司,他不可能是一個公司。 |
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謝謝大家。 |
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中文字幕——YK |
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谢谢大家 |
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中文字幕志愿者 李宗盛 |
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響鐘 |
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好 |
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謝謝大家 |
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你現在怎麼樣 兩邊這樣 兩邊會服務學會很辛苦嗎還好啦 反正剩一個半月 |
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從一個先生啊 尹正文沒輸那時候我臉是擋在兩邊臉那時候大壩沒輸 兩個扯在一起 |
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洗三次臉 洗三次臉 |
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谢谢大家 |
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开始吧 |
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好 谢谢各党团干部请坐谢谢大家谢谢我们今天列席的官员我们现在协商主题本院郑天才等19位委员凝聚公职人员选罢法第17条条文修正草案郑天才等16位委员凝聚公职人员选举罢免法第57条条文修正草案高金树梅委员等23位凝聚公职人员选罢法第70条71条及72条 |
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73条条文修正草案卢献一委员等17位凝聚公职人员选举罢免法部分条文修正草案武力华委员等17位凝聚公职人员选举罢免法第71条及73条条文修正草案及高金树梅委员等18位凝聚公职人员选举罢免法第70条之一条文修正草案 |
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等六案二本次協商前三案是於一百三年七月十二日本院第十一屆第一會期第二十二次會議作成決議盡附二讀並於本年三月六日由高金素美委員主持過一次黨團協商無法達成共識 |
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后三案包括卢宪一等17位委员邻居公职人员选举罢免法部分条文修正草案于114年5月16日本院自第11届三会期第12次会议决议自委员会抽出进复二读与相关提案并案协商 |
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吳立華委員等17位凝聚公職人員選罷法第71條及73條條文修正草案於114年12月2日本院第11屆第4會期 |
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第十一次会议决议自委员会抽出进复二读并与相关提案并案协商高金 宿美等18位委员凝聚公职人员选举罢免法第70条之一条为修正草案于114年12月5日本院第十一届第四会期第十二次会议决议进复二读与相关提案并案协商因此已安排于本次会议就这六案进行党团协商 |
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三我们现在要介绍今天列席的相关行政主管机关首先我们欢迎内政部刘部长中选会的吴代理主委原住民委员会股仲副主委司法院林厅长欢迎您法务部杨检察官 |
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歡迎行政院主計總署公務預算王專門委員好謝謝我們首先請提案的國民黨團表達意見好嗎請如果高精素美委員您也是提案委員您可以直接表達好謝謝大家首先謝謝院長這件這個選罷法 |
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70、71、73以及增列70條之一其實在很早以前原住民的選舉制度就被不公平對待我首先要想憲法徵修條文第4條是保障原住民族的參政權要確保原住民在選舉制度當中我們是擁有額外的代表權 |
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但是在96年我們在修法的時候因為當時大家的疏忽這導致了原住民的選區需要缺少兩席才能夠補選而一般選區只要出缺一席他就要立即補選所以很顯然在制度上面是對原住民有歧視的所以因此我才會提出這個修法而這個修法的制度 |
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在上一次的時候大家在大罷免的時候有被某些委員誤會是針對某些人而我必須要說大罷免已經結束了所以今天我非常謝謝主席能夠 |
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召開這個協商然後把原住民選舉的制度跟一般選舉不分區分區的委員的制度是一樣的公平對待那麼我的這個70 71 73以及增列70條之一主要的是說在立委出缺的時候我是主張要補選而不是力補這很重要第一 |
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所有的分區立委都是補選而沒有所謂的地補原住民為什麼要用地補我們為什麼要被不一樣對待然後我看到今天民進黨團的修正條文第73條以及第71條他們是說 |
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原住民只要有會選的情勢就不可以來補選我非常的訝異我不知道今天吳立華委員或者是民進黨的陳寅委員或者是原民會的股中副主委當你們看到這樣的提案的時候你們心裡面怎麼樣的感覺坦白說我是非常的憤怒所有的立法委員難道只有原住民才會會選嗎 |
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為什麼在所有的選辦法裡面一般的立委的補選就不需要特別講到這一點而在原住民的補選就非要提到這一點我對民進黨團感到非常的失望跟憤怒然後另外我要再講為什麼不要遞補的原因 |
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要補選 我認為補選是把決定權還給人民而所謂的地補只是照名單的算數往下排那我認為現在的選民他應該是要有一個重新的表態誰要來代表我們這個下一屆的立法委員 |
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然後補選是政府跟政黨的其中成績單然後透過一次的投票人民可以清楚的表達對執政的成績或者是這個政黨表現滿不滿意然後逼迫政治人物必須要做出調整而不是安穩的來做滿第三補選產生的代表當然是比較有正當性補選當選者則是經過公開競爭跟投票的授權 |
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我認為這樣子講話更有底氣也更接近人民然後我更認為補選是可以減少人頭候選人跟黑箱的算計避免政黨有誘因放人頭完排名改採補選政黨提名就得更負責任 |
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第五對原住民來說補選是一次重新發生的機會不是被動接受上面說誰來而是能集體討論親自決定要選哪一種聲音站在國會的前排所以我認為補選是程序的問題而是賦予族人權利再一次告訴大家誰才是真正有資格的人 |
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我再一次要呼吁请不要剥夺族人最基本的权利再重申一次一般的立法委员都是用补选为什么原住民要特别要用递补如果大家用了递补那么麻烦大家就一致的规范以上 谢谢好 谢谢高金树美委员发言郑天才委员你是提案委员你要不要表达意见不在即投票这个 |
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第一 这个宪法征修条文定得非常明确这个原住民的立法委员多少的席次既然有出车了就应该要补险这是第一个 |
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第二這個就是我提的部分另外的就是有針對不再舉投票的部分因為原住民的立法委員選期是前台灣在實施不再舉投票上對這個選務工作完全沒有這個影響所以這個部分是一個比較容易先行實施的部分第二個就是有關秘密投票的部分 |
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之所以會提秘密投票要去特別強調的就是因為我們很多原住民的這個險民 |
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譬如說在台北市某個選區是只有一個選民或是兩個選民在這樣的一個情形之下能夠移轉投票的話就不會產生我們投票就知道他是投給誰這樣會影響整個秘密投票的一個情形所以提出這樣的一個修正的條文以上 |
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謝謝鄭天才委員 鍾嘉斌委員您要發言請吳立華委員請準備 還是您先發言吳立華委員原名的 沒關係吳立華委員您先發言鍾嘉斌委員請準備 我剛剛看你舉手了 |
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謝謝主席在這邊要很感謝韓院長召集本次的協商來回應原住民族立法委員如果遇到出缺的時候必須要超過二分之一才能夠進行補選的這樣的一個窘境多少年來這個問題都沒有被解決我上一屆進到立法院 |
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我也有質詢也有提案但是很可惜都沒有被重視處理那我也回應確實遇到這個罷免的問題那這個問題再一次的被凸顯那我非常的高興我們現在可以來處理這個問題 |
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我在這邊大概針對我的提案版本做幾個簡單的說明在71條的地方就是在就職前因為要分就職前跟就職後 |
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所以在就職前如果當選人死亡或者是進判決當選無效確定都是一律補選只是說我們還是非常在意 |
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就是我們當選人或補選人他的一個資格問題因為畢竟選賢與能所以有一些特例的部分像有罪判決確定的我們才會有所謂的遞補 |
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這是在第71條的部分那在第73條呢是去處理就職後那就職後的話一樣就是如果在就職後死亡辭職或其他的事由當然三個月內就來進行補選但是如果是就職後因為我們地方的選舉都很清楚的知道 |
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議員的部分或代表的部分因為我們是複數選區所以複數選區它就會有這樣的一個地步的情形所以它會有幾個條件像是民事當選無效 |
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那最低當選人得票數也要過他的二分之一以確保他的一個民意基礎那或者是說沒有那些跟選罷法刑法有罪判決的這樣的話 |
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那就可以去做一個地補那這個部分其實是比照我們議員就是在第74條的部分可是有一個部分我就沒有納入因為畢竟我們的人 |
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多席次也不多所以在這個部分如果是在第74條的第4款我就覺得比較不適用那我大概在這邊就是先針對修法的版本做這樣的意見表示 謝謝謝謝吳立華委員 鍾采斌委員請發言國民黨團請準備首先我們對於原住民族的參政權我們是比照一般選舉的通則來進行 |
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那首先原住民族的代表他在民意機關的選舉是跟目前的情況是大致一樣在我們中華民國民意機關的代表選舉基本上是複數選區為原則單一選區為地外舉例來講我們從鄉鎮市民代表到縣市議員都是複數選區 |
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但是在特殊的情況比如說屏東縣的原住民鄉他是一鄉選一個縣議員所以就會產生跟立法委員的情況類似在目前我們的立法委員是單一選區所以初學級補選 |
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同樣的在單一選區的原住民的縣議員也是初階級補選那我們現在思考一下目前原住民的立法院遇到問題是他是中華民國立法院當中別人都是單一選區他是複數選區是三個 |
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因此呢出缺後依照複數選區沒辦法造成補選的一個條件所以呢有修法的方向是希望說啊既然其他的立委單一選區出缺及補選那原住民立委是不是出缺也即補選 |
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但是要回歸到來思考既然是複數選區本來在其他的民意代表的複數選區就分別有補選跟遞補的規定那麼因此呢比較完整的修法應該是讓原住民的立委比照其他的民意代表的複數選區可以有出缺補選跟遞補的方式那因此呢在選法法當中明文的表達在其他的民意代表的複數選區缺額達兩二分之一以上者就要進行補選 |
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但是如果缺額未達二分之以上者在一定條件之下他可以採用遞補那什麼情況呢其實在目前待會可以請內政部說明一下在目前的基層地方民意代表的複數選區如果當選者他或者人在當選前或當選後有賄選或其他的原因被取消資格或者宣告當選無效在那一次的選舉的複數選區的其他的候選人在一定的條件下是可以遞補的 |
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這樣子才能造成我們選舉的經濟所以今天吳委員的提案它的修好方向是讓原住民的複數選區的民意代表選舉能夠跟等同其他民意代表的複數選區在一定條件下可以進行缺額的補選在一定條件下也可以產生地補這樣才會更為完備至於高金委員所提到的說原住民會選就不能補選其實目前 |
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目前一般平地的縣市議員或者是代表的選舉只要是附屬選區的那麼他會規定如果說是因為賄選而被取消當選資格的地補者本身也因為為了預防他也是有同樣的賄選的情況地補上又被取消資格所以最新的選罷法內政部可以說明一下是否說都為了避免這種情況重複地補產生所以我們在地補者的一些資格條件上我們另外限制請內政部完整說明 |
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好 谢谢钟家明王汉请国民党人发言您稍待一下 请罗志强委员 罗书记长请相同事项 相同对待不同事项 不同对待我觉得刚刚嘉宾兄法理分析我觉得讲得很好但是我觉得有一个重点是搞错了就是立法委员 |
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今天讨论的是原住民的立法委员不是各县市的议员是原住民的立法委员所以当你看到原住民立法委员的时候你就要很严肃的去看待这个原住民的权益保障的问题那立法委员出缺应该要补选这件事情或是民进党所主张的递补不管总而言之第一件事情有共识 |
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原住民平原跟山原就是各三席你三席變兩席說真的我覺得影響衝擊是很大的所以因此一定要不管說我們先中立是補選還是地補我們先保持中立一定要補上去可是第二個就是說因為我們在立委選舉裡面的話缺額對不對是補選嘛 |
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所以換言之你要從立委的角度來看不是從複數選區的議員的角度去看這件事情所以我不能拿複數選區的規範議員的規範來去看中央的立委選舉的規範所以你要比照的選舉方式應該是比照立法委員所以我覺得嘉賓兄這個法理分析得很好啦但是我還是覺得說要回到說立委 |
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立委这个中央立委应该以中央的立委来比的谢谢以上好谢谢罗志祥书记长发言台湾民众党团请发言高经纬您稍待一下我们还要请内政部讲完您再讲好不好那个嘉宾可能误会了 |
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現在討論立委不是一言啦不要有雙標也不要歧視那個原住民的立委他民眾黨明確的支持這個原住民的立委只要切額只要是一人要立即進行補選這個是 |
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跟其他委員是一樣 今天談的就是立委另外台灣民眾黨也支持原住民不在籍投票更重要的我們認為所有的民眾都要可以推動一起的不在籍的投票台灣民眾黨已經提了修正案出來了我們一直在提醒我們是科技大國也是民主國家結果現在我們發現連那個外勞在台灣的外勞印尼跟菲律賓都不在籍在投票了 |
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台灣真的很丟臉像今年2025年南韓南韓進行那個總統大選他們官方統計有海外有25萬人完成登記其中超過20萬人實際去投票 投票率 |
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7乘7.95創下歷史紀錄南韓可以 菲律賓 印尼都在投了我們到現在還不能這個不在即投票那所以台灣民眾黨是支持原住民這個不在即投票那我們要求同時來進行好不好把所有這個各黨派已經提出的不在即投票 那我特別強調請民進黨不要太擔心 民進黨都要擔心說好像變成 |
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要抹紅或者是什麼境外勢力進來台灣民眾黨的提案非常清楚我們先進行國內的移轉投票只極限於台澎金馬所以沒有你們講的這個不要抹紅沒有外面的就是國內的移轉投票那我們的對象跟這個方法也非常清楚這包括哪一些呢 |
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包括這個軍人警消執法的公務人員 險務人員沒有被褫奪公權的受刑人他們因為工作啊 就學他就有時候是沒辦法投票嘛 對不對那你就請他們先照冊照冊 然後呢 |
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你到時候 你說你是北漂啦或者是你學生要回去不方便你剛剛講的金錦霄他們都有工作嘛那你就設立一個移轉的投票所那時候他們去投票就可以了嘛這非常方便尤其我們的科技已經這麼進步了所以我們今天支持剛剛講的支持原住民可是同時我們希望這個國內的移轉投票盡快來實施請民進黨 |
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今天那個柯總召慈眉善目啊我覺得今天我們同時來支持顏柱銘同時也支持我們的不在籍投票趕快來完成好不好很快很快如果快的話明年底這個縣市長選舉就可以推動國內的這個移轉投票啦慢的話應該在2028年總統大選也可以做啊好不好不要讓國際上笑啦國際都說我們民主典換科技大國結果到現在連一個不在籍投票都推動不了國際媒體都在笑我們加油謝謝 |
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現在還有兩位原名的委員要發言但是我想先請內政部說明之後再請兩位原名委員發言好嗎好 我們請吳次長請謝謝主席中選會準備那個我先確定一下是先就剛剛那個是全部包括1743還是先就74條來做說明一下因為剛剛中委員有談到74條的部分現在廣泛討論你先可以就你所表達也沒問題等一下回頭還會二人發言 |
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好謝謝好那我想主席各位委員我想先簡單說明有關17條針對委員提案這個終止選舉是不是可以申請移轉投票的部分那因為我們現在目前來講的話大概 |
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只有針對那個如果僅針對原住民的立委去實施不在籍投票的投票那因為這個在我們總統副總統的選罷法的部分是有但是這邊的話是不是就只有針對原住民那這個會是不是對於不在籍投票的部分有公平性的疑慮這是我們人力政部的立場那我們也建議是不是在全民公投的這個實施的狀況之後再來審慎推動這是有關第17條的部分那另外有關 |
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盧委員談的第43條的部分那因為這個提案是只有增加原住民立委的當選人的選舉補貼那其實他這個也是會排除未當選者那是不是會產生說只有讀後給原住民立委的當選人那另外其他的非原住民的候選人其實也有可能以相同的理由以公平性來要求比照辦理那這個部分我們建議是有待商榷 |
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那另外有關曾天才委員談的57條的秘密投票的部分那其實這個為了解決原住民的秘密投票的問題我們中選會其實已經有相關的處理方案了那至於那個有關不在籍的部分那在前面17條已經做說明那剛剛有談到包括70條71條73條還有那個民進黨團有談到74條的部分我這邊再簡單說明那在 |
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其實在有關初缺立即補選的部分那這個部分是不是要跟區域立委去做一個去做一致的處理我們是建議還是要有各界的共識那我這邊也補充說明一下就是有關當選無效的部分在我們74條的規定那是規定有關在地方民意代表的當選人 |
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那當然立法委員是另外一個不同的層次但是也是有類似情形所以我們這邊是如果說要改以補選的方式來做予以補時那這一增定這個原住民的立委的地補的部分有修法共識那我們內政部是並沒有其他的意見我想先簡單做個說明回應 謝謝好 謝謝吳次長 中選會請發言 |
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主席還有我們各委員大家好那我想中選會的部分有關於選務的部分在17條跟57條就一併來回答那有關於不在籍投票的實施必須要考量這個選務層面的可行性那尤其特別是這個公平性公正性更應該要特別去這個考量 |
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我們曾經也徵詢過各縣市選舉委員會的工作同仁他們也認為說這個時候來實施不在籍投票可能會造成混亂而且以他們現在的人力大概還不足以去做不在籍投票特別我舉以17條原住民的立委 |
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那光是原住民的立委那如果是移轉的話那因為我們現在是合併舉行總統選總統副總統一張選票 |
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三元一張選票平元一張選票政黨一張選票如果加上公投到底幾個案我們不知道假設一個案那就五張選票如果更多的話那更多了那這個現在在移轉上是有它的困難有它的困難那所以為什麼我們一直都主張說你先公投試看看 |
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那有這個經驗以後我們再來做人的選舉比較不容易出錯因為人的選舉一旦出錯的話有時候是不可恢復性的那另外其次就是講說我們這個妨害秘密投票因為我們公職選舉有五種選舉那這五種選舉最小區域的是村里長選舉 |
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那所以講選舉的話如果也是移轉投票的話那恐怕他也沒辦法達到說不妨礙秘密投票這個比較困難所以其實規則到最後不再急投票是未來的目標未來也事件上的問題但是先讓我們試看看公投 |
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那讓大家有經驗了不會出錯了我們再來實施人的選舉以上是中選的立場 |
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我很高興今天有這樣公開協商讓我的族人全國的人民可以再一次的檢驗我們這個政府是如何看待對待原住民族的我必須要說身為一個原住民的立法委員我非常遺憾宗嘉斌委員你是屏東選出來的台灣族的族人最多 |
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而且有八個鄉而屏東選出來的吳立華委員你是我們自己的原住民的族人我非常的難過我們看一下71條73條上面的條文尤其是73條上面的條文明明白白講的全部都是立法委員全國的立法委員應該怎麼做 |
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而我們的宗教兵委員也好 吳立華委員也好偏偏要把原住民的立法委員跟一般的民意代表的補選放在一起我不懂為什麼 |
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我也希望他們能夠講清楚雖然剛剛說有一個複數跟單數的選區可是這是選舉制度上本來在我們長期以來對原住民選舉跟非原住民選舉就是這麼樣的一個規範 |
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那你把這樣的規範把它變成就是一般的民意代表來解決現在原住民立法委員憲法保障原住民應該要有三席的立法委員他只要出缺就必須要補一席的這樣子的一個憲法的支持而我們剛剛的那個行政院 |
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內政部吳次長你的說法也讓我沒有辦法接受你說會選的情勢民意代表都有很多那我請問你在一般立法委員有沒有會選的情勢如果有的話在73條71條為什麼不也規範為什麼必須要在原住民補選的時候就規範原住民要這種會選的情勢就不能夠補選 |
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我非常的憤怒講白了講清楚了我跟我的主任在今天這個協商的場合跟大家說明講白了就是立法委員你只要出缺不管你死亡不管你就職前不管你就職後不管你怎麼樣你就必須補選這是憲法依照憲法的規定中華民國的憲法保障所有立法委員的規範為什麼原住民就要不一樣 |
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我也很想要聽一下股仲 園民會你們的立場是什麼 以上謝謝好 現場溫度開始升高了吳定華委員 請發言好 謝謝我們尊重發言 吳定華委員請好 謝謝主席 |
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我得講因為我覺得如果照規矩來就不會造成原住民在這麼多年來我們都跟人家不一樣這麼多年來不一樣也不見得大家願意來伸張所以我今天還是要再一次感謝韓院長謝謝您重視這個議題安排來做一個協商 |
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第一個原住民向來就不滿意為什麼其他的立委是單一選區偏偏原住民是複數選區多少年來我們就極度不滿意如果我們可以跟其他人一樣是單一選區兩票制我們一出缺就可以補選啊我們有需要坐在這裡嗎這麼多年來 |
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難道這個問題不存在嗎有人認真努力去解決它嗎所以今天坐在這裡我就先問拜託既然要修原住民改單一選區就這樣 就修 |
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我就這樣子講就改單一選區要不然我不喜歡每一次大家在修法的時候就像好不容易我們也修法通過原住民合併成六都之後的園區這麼多年來修法的謬誤造成他們的財政有問題還不是到最近才解決這麼多年來發生有人重視嗎 |
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我是很負責的我既質詢又提案只是沒機會被排所以今天我很贊成原住民我們的族人都在看也都在講每次都問我為什麼我們不行我極度贊成既然要這樣子單一選區補選選區劃分原住民立委連一樣的薪水 |
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要跑全國我們的族人何其無辜我做四年我都服務不到我們希望單一選區即刻補選要不然不要再亂修法一會兒都按照自己的意思想說什麼就怎麼修 |
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人家也在問啊 議員也在問啊當初你們原住民為什麼是這個樣子 複數選區為什麼你們會要出缺打二分之一補選我說沒辦法 因為按照我們的選罷法因為按照你們的議員說我們是複數選區啊所以我希望就改單一選區就這樣 謝謝鄭天才維你要補充嗎 |
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中加病文请准备我们先听原民委员好这个初切就要一定要维持三席这个是共识了目前没有反对的意见所以我们就就照我们这个初切就要维持三席好的好的 |
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那个庄家斌委员发言完以后原住民股仲副主委您要不要表达意见您请准备发言好吗好请家斌委员好谢谢吴立华委员终于说出原住民的心声刚刚有人提到说宪法宪法其实原住民族的立法委员是规定在宪法的征修条文 |
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政协条文第四条第一项它分别有三款的规定自由地区直辖市县市73人每县市至少一人就写清楚了我们113位立委直辖市县市是73人自由地区平地原住民及三地原住民各三人这就是目前原住民立委六席的由来再来第三款全国部分区及侨区国外国民共34人 |
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好了 名额定了 三款的名额分别是73 3加3等于6 还有34那么在第二项写的第一款各职辖市县市人口比例分配后按应选名额划分同额选举区选出白话讲就是一区选一个如果说我们认为中华民国的议委应该人人平等 |
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那我們就來問啊那麼原住民立委應該跟其他的直轄市縣市都是單一選區這樣才不會造成選民跟他選出來的立委之間因為區域遼闊而產生的權益損失但是有沒有規定原住民這3加3 6席要怎麼分呢 |
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没有 宪法增加法文写的第一款只有说直辖市县市73名是一区一席但是第三款依政党名单投票选举之第三款是什么就是全国不分区所以目前我们立法委员的选字很清楚73席区议立委一区一个34席不分区是用政党比例代表 |
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有沒有規定第二款的原住民平原三原各三席的選舉方式抱歉正確條文這一條的修法我參與過沒有所以秘書長剛剛聽到說憲法要改憲法抱歉秘書長你或許議事規則很熟啊憲法你還沒有參與過修正啊我是修憲法的 |
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我是修憲法的所以呢第二款到底原住民三元跟平原這三席要怎麼選舉產生選舉罷免法就有法律訂定的空間所以一直以來我們聽到包括吳立華委員在內希望能夠這三個三席三元平原各三席每區一名就陳如剛高軍委員所希望的各民族一律平等就通通不要再分平地跟三地了就是通通是 |
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區域立委選舉包括原住民的立委選舉依應選舉同額選舉區選舉區那就是這樣啊原住民就分成六個選區啊一區一個啊缺額級補選啊跟平地的立委一模一樣啊這不就達到了各民主義的平等嗎但是如果這個不改 |
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還是要維持複數選區那麼為了保障複數選區民意代表跟他選民的關聯所有的複數選區的民意代表都是這樣缺額可以遞補缺額達二分之以上者要改選 |
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這在全中華民國任何一個複數選區的民意選區都一樣這也是不分族群一律平等如果真的要講不分族群一律平等請堅持要不就比照我們立法委員單一選區原住民六席也是單一選區如果要維持複數選區那麼就按照所有全國複數選區的規定出缺一條件限制可以遞補或者出缺達二分之以上就可以產生重選 |
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注意喔 初缺達二分之以上者就重選喔所以這才是一個我們民主國家選舉的根本的制度原則不分族群一律平等請倡議民主平等的委員要落實原住民單一選區或者說比照所有的民意代表的複數選區初缺達二分之三者辦理補選或者說未達二分之三者依其法律規定的條件進行遞補這才是正辦 |
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好谢谢特别跟中间病文报告我们周万来秘书长在大学教宪法教了几十年不要说他对宪法他专门教宪法的好好好那谢谢今天我们大家都热爱原住民我们请原住民副主委表达一句好吗谢谢谢谢主席 |
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我想我們研究民主的立法委員的選舉制度確實長年以來都需要檢討所以我們看到我們在座很多研究民主的委員在服務全國各地都非常辛苦奔波幾乎是全國都在跑 |
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那今天能夠來討論來檢討修法管理原住民立委缺一席之後採補險或是遞補這樣的方式其實是對原住民族來講是合理的所以這是確實是要長年需要改善至於說是採 |
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補選的或是地補的方式我們剛剛聽到中選會跟內政部的報告他可能會涉及到選務規劃跟行政能力的問題行政的可行性的部分所以這個我們會跟行政單位的意見一致那當然原住民的立委的選舉制度確實是需要做檢討的以上 |
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副主委讲了半天没有太具体就是一个内心的一个呐喊有这种感觉好吧好各位亲爱的党团干部还有练习官员谢谢我们第二案现在讨论显然还没有办法达成共识但是因为时间的关系我们可能要进入第三案容许我提出一下我们第二案还没有达成共识我们先到此告一段落我们再来继续协商等下次协商完毕之后我们再来纳入我们朝野的协商 |
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可能會比較 沒關係 高委員您稍待一下我們準備要進入第三案 高靜雯請發言好 我覺得院長剛剛做了這樣的裁示其實我是不是在提供一下意見那事實上事實上剛剛鍾嘉斌委員也好或者是吳立華委員也好他們都同意原住民缺的話就要補 |
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這個現在是講補選或遞補他們剛剛講了那麼多 講到憲法去那是另外的議題那如果今天他們大家對這些原住民的選區很大然後到底是要分山園跟平原全部六行 或者是要怎樣那是另外的議題 今天不是朝野協商的議題 |
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今天草野協商的議題只有一個很重要的問題就是原住民的立法委員出缺了要不要補選或者要遞補或者民進黨團說的原住民只要是有會選的就不可以所以就是這三個所以沒有那麼複雜所以我的建議我剛剛也跟民眾黨的齊凱 |
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討論了然後另外也跟國民黨團的幾位也討論了那天才委員我們其實都覺得如果民進黨團對於補選沒有意見他只是用補選還是要用地補 |
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那沒有什麼好討論的啊還要什麼再協商呢再協商還是把它拉到更其他的問題今天朝野協商就是這麼簡單所以我的建議是不是主席夏才智是不是如果沒有意見的話我們就表決吧好不好 謝謝那院長 |
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抱歉那個我可不可以要求各位原住民委員必須相親相愛一下請吳立委謝謝主席我其實沒有要講話但是聽到錯的我們不能讓他錯下去我強調一下因為這個關鍵是在於是不是單一選區 複數選區其實我們原住民的議員以我屏東園鄉來講 |
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他們因為是單一選區 他們是出缺就補選的所以這個跟什麼那個 我的意思是說我們不要老是把那個整個法制碰到了原住民 我們就好像不照規矩來因為你們當初立法是用這個規矩 我們也必須要照這個規矩走所以我的意思是說 我們現在的這樣的版本只是照著法理 法體的規矩來 |
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所以刚才有一句错误原住民因为是议员是单一选区所以是出缺及补选好我们现在还有柯建民委员张其凯委员还有郑天才委员都急着发言容许我因为我们还有第三案拜托大家简短二要谢谢请柯总召张其凯委员请准备非常简短而且把整个程序带入到一个有目标的方向来走我们一直在合格演示大于讨论这不对了 |
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這已經進入了主條的問題了所以我在這裡不對各方的意見做任何的評判也就是說我應該站在哪一個立場大家的立場都站得很對立所以我們今天應該只要到這裡應該是每個條文一一保留然後來宴會處理這樣才是正法我的方法 再來一次也是一樣 |
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這又不是在大爺討厭了 航空公園也自有時代了好不好 這樣才有效率剛剛 抱歉 剛剛聽下來應該是有柯文哲發言完畢 柯文哲不愧是老船長 航向非常精確好 張新幹委前短而已我們就聽那個在大學教憲法的吧 聽周秘書長的像剛剛我一輪聽下來 我們公正的聽下來包括民進黨都同意說 如果有缺額是要補選的啊 |
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你看這個條文修正條文第73條第73條一開始就講立法委員第71條講的是當選人都是講立委嘛你現在如果是選區的問題那你付諸選區的單一你趕快去修去推可是大家有共識就是只要有缺額是要補已經有共識就聽那個秘書長的而且也不用那個 必要的話 |
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必要的話就表決也是一個方式啦他們的話就把他送到抱歉抱歉我另外爭取一下好不好台灣民眾黨一直爭取不在即投票我們支持原住民的不在即投票那麼要求院長你一直在強調那個什麼北漂藍漂很多年輕人工作人員他們在投票前被投票被剝奪了嘛 |
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那為了省時間省錢讓他們有投票權我記得應該趕快把不在一起投票的同時趕快來推動好不好好謝謝那個院長國民黨團要表達意見國民黨團要表達意見事實上這個事情啊今天花了很多時間其實我們剛剛協商速度都很快那這個事情觸礁了那我們就做一次做一次清楚的表達既然三個黨 |
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都不反對對於原住民立委出缺的時候就應該要來補選我們就focus在這裡那其他的部分我們就暫不宜討論那三個黨都同意處理那我們就交院會處理了因為再協商的話也花很多大家的時間但是再補選 |
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不選的這個事情上我們達成共識那其他的還沒有共識的部分就暫不處理我們就處理這個事情我們就送院會處理那個天才委員我想您發言如果不會超過這個範圍容許我做一個簡短扼要的一個好 宣告好嗎我們跟各黨團幹部報告就尊重柯總召 傅總召的看法我們第二案沒有達成共識我們全部送院會處理好嗎 |
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副總召議事就只有處理一個條文而已喔講清楚 只有補選那一部分其他不處理喔對 這五個條文那個秘密投票的部分那個內政部跟學委會已經表達同意了那個當然可以來處理 |
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尤其中選會是採取從公投法先開始我們從頭到尾都仔細的傾聽全部保留啦這個秘密投票跟不在籍投票不是完全一致的 |
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秘密投票是针对我们都会期比如说大安期某个投票所只有一个原住民的选民他投票给谁马上就知道了就违反了中华民国宪法的秘密投票解决这个部分过去我质询内政部质询中选会都没有意见了 |
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跟那个不在一起投票没有关系所以这个部分中选会跟内政部不要再坚持以前都没有问题啊看回去看会议记录都没有问题啊好的谢谢那谢谢天才委员那容许我做一个宣告好吗我们第二案并没有达成共识我们就全部提报院会进行处理好我们现在进入第三案的协商请幕僚人员就就定位谢谢列席的官员谢谢 |
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好 謝謝各位黨團幹部請坐我們現在進行協商第三案公務人員退休之前撫恤法部分條文修正草案及公立學校教職員退休之前撫恤條例部分條文修正草案我們首先要介紹各位列席的機關以及各位列席的官員首先請考試院劉秘書長 |
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美丽明长到 请坐全序部司部长 请坐行政院人事总处的苏人事长 请坐教育部的朱次长 欢迎请坐司法院的许厅长 请坐内政部的陈处长 请坐国防部的林专门委员 |
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好 请坐劳动部的蔡专门委员及李专门委员劳动部代表好 请坐农业部王继正请坐卫福部的姚专门委员好 欢迎大家我们现在请各党团来表达对不起 |
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9376.19 |
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我們後面還有各位列席的警政署消防署移民署空中勤務總隊海巡海洋委員會各位通通舉手打招呼就好了好不好好謝謝歡迎大家好我們先請各黨團代表來提案的黨團請國民黨團請表達意見 |
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我想有關於這個公教的這個停凱所得替代率的問題真的已經討論了很久了那本黨的立場還是非常清楚我們過去李國鼎曾經說過如果說今天是讓二流的人才 |
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然后一流的人都不到政府来变成二三流的人来领导一流的人的话我们政府也不会推出好的政策民养执政之后不断的在削夺我们公教人员的尊严待遇跟退休保障 |
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這個已經造成我們今天文官崩壞人才崩解的兩大灰犀牛已經直衝台灣而來所以停侃這個所謂的所得替代語它才是真的改革是阻止這隻灰犀牛繼續前進我們的最後一道關卡講的很簡單一件事情你光國考的報考人數就從30萬跌到 |
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去年的16萬跌到今年的11萬難道危機還不清楚嗎停砍所得替代率不是要恢復到2018年以前的水準而是說今天你砍過頭造成我們國家文官崩壞老師找不到沒有人 |
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| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
沒有辦法去培育人才的這個重大危機所以在這邊我們還是在重申國民黨的立場希望民進黨我覺得對我們公教人員真的要知道他們才是我們國家的棟樑跟基底要好好照顧 以上謝謝羅志強書記長的發言接下來我們請柯總召發言台灣民眾黨團請準備 |
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9515.415 |
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公共教育能源是一個國家一個重大基底我百分之百贊成但是請不要忘記年輕改革曾經改過了那我們今天要再回頭過來把它改回來這個會造成整個年輕人體的破產也許是整個公民性的問題那個這個是自為明顯的問題 |
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我希望國民黨不要因為要討好然後把國家整個制度破壞造成年齡提早破產這今天重點在這個地方嘛當然我們沒有辦法接受好 民進黨團態度非常的清楚台灣民眾黨團發言之後我們請考試院表達意見請張七開委員我先提醒民進黨不是要改回來沒有要恢復過去的只是停砍因為你砍太多了 |
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9572.243 |
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現在砍的已經是大概公教人員退休人員他的三分之一的退休金被砍掉了更重要的當初主管機關考試驗題的版本是從八成開始砍每年砍1%結果民進黨用多數砍過頭了他從七成五開始砍就是一開始就多砍了5%每一年又多變成1.5又多0.5到今年底已經比原來考試驗十年都還多了 |
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砍過頭了所以可以停了我們要強調沒有要恢復以前可是已經砍過頭了所以要停砍民眾黨的修法非常的明確清楚我們經過 |
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9586.119 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
9604.661 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
民調 大規模的民調這個沒有世代的問題連年輕人都是支持的特別要強調一點這段時間很多現職的公教人員來陳情你們一直在 民進黨一直在製造社會對立這次的這個 這次停侃不是只有照顧退休的人員現職的人員 公教人員也被照顧到了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
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他們說他們現在最可憐的 他們現在多繳又零少啊所以包括限職的公家都支持這次的要停砍那我們修的就是第37條跟38條要求從今年年底開始 就是這個月月底開始不要再往下砍了 沒有要恢復 可是不要再往下砍了另外呢 依照物價調整這個機制 |
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只要超過5%只要物價只是超過5%累計多少就是要再調多少因為目前這個規定對公教人員非常不公平我們的勞保就很清楚我到了5%以後你如果是超過6%就調6%到了7%就調7%可是我們現在不是現在公教被規定還要限制就是說有 |
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考試院跟主管機關還要去設限用了很多條件結果弄到後來譬如說到5%的時候後來只有調了3%那我們現在就非常這是非常明定的明確 只要超過累積到5%就要調那調的就依照實際是多少例如說已經到了6%就調6%7%就調7%最主要是這兩個點 謝謝好 謝謝張啟凱委員的發言聽你發言完我感覺你是長得越來越正義凜然了好 我們請考試院發言全席副請準備 |
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院長各位委員先進 那個我就簡單的說我想在討論這個議題的時候 大家要注意我們退服基金一個不足而提撥的特性 這個是從制度一開始就有的所以他才會造成這個潛藏債務那我們國家現在各職業別的保險跟基金有很多跟退休基金有好多都是有這樣的狀況所以呢 即便這次沒有完成修法去停止 |
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這個調降所得替代率他都還會造成我們後代未來的政府執政者有非常大的財務負擔那如果這一次修法真的是停止調降的話他也會造成我們退伍基金提前用完這樣的一個狀況那所以我們站在守護退伍基金希望能夠盡量朝向永續這個方向來前進來這個維持他的永續性我們希望不要沒有辦法支持這樣的一個修法方向那其他部分我想就請全區部 |
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师部长来补充好的刘秘书长讲得非常清楚考试院立场我们接下来请全续部师部长请表达意见院长各位委员我想我就补充说明我想整个站在退伏金的一个立场来讲从秘书长刚刚讲现在的问题就在于就是不足而提拨所以即使没有这一次的提早停止调降基金也可能在138年就会破产 |
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那現在如果再往前體脂調降我們估算過大概會提早三到四年那這個後面的錢呢事實上就是不夠了所以這個錢到底要怎麼去處理這是很嚴肅很嚴肅的一個課題那第二個事情 |
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剛剛我有提到我們看那個修法的概念裡面如果繼續維持在討論我們現在設計是讓退休者跟著CPI走我想這是當初討論我們贊成應該繼續維持跟CPI走可是如果把現在的制度有提案修法說要跟著限制人員調薪 |
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我們建議真的是不可行我想這也是不應該的事情那如果這兩個條文同時又存在又隨限職人員調情又隨CPI調整我想那更是會讓已經退的人反而會比限職人員調整還高這是更是不應該的一個事情 |
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我想这整个站在全区会立场从基金的角度这个姿势真的是很体大所以我们建议是不应该提早停止调教好 谢谢我们全区部师部长宝贵发言我们再补充介绍我们教育部政部长亲自也来列席了谢谢 欢迎那各位党团干部现在经过行政部门考试院以及全区部的说明之后各位党团要不要做二轮发言 |
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好 民進黨團我們請不用了對 不做二輪發言了好 那我現在就做一個宣告我們第三案沒有辦法打成共識我們就全部送院會進行處理第四案目前也還沒有辦法打成共識我們則其處理第四案第四案請柯建民委員請發言第四案它這個沒有經過委員會召委協商就直接排在這裡這不合體制所以把它退回等下我講 |
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請委員會召委協商以後可能有可能就解決掉了就不必來這裡了好不好 我們就回到好 可是我們到第四案我們就退回到委員會去請召委來負責好 那我們現在已經接近12點了我們到時候就 |
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第四案的话我们先退回那刚才营业还有非营业我们还有一个二轮发二轮的一个会到时候我们再会发开会通知张七海委员请主席抱歉我提醒一下今年基本法为什么党团那边没有写那个委员会那边没有写因为是 |
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趙偉是民進黨的趙偉他自己一直不協商他要協商啊你們為什麼你們這麼重視這個案子為什麼你們我們要排啊是你們大夫職守為什麼可以拖延我們的審查制度不是 他直接把它排進來不對了我們請趙警員速判趙偉還沒協商啊好 |
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請教育召委我們加速來排案那我們第四案到時候再請教育委員會來處理好嗎好現在謝謝我們現在今天的協商到此為止我們先散會謝謝 |
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來 暗示台 請 |