| IVOD_ID |
171154 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/171154 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第27次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
27 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第27次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-26T10:31:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-26T10:41:10+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:26 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/2075dd897ebcbff815a3754d4ed0ad3ce5414aaccb550c7f4339da950420c48c486914daaa45fd855ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:31:44 - 10:41:10 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第27次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員、財政部首長、金融監督管理委員會首長、財團法人中小企業信用保證基金首長、國家科學及技術委員會首長就「中小微新企業發展困境、政策需求及政府資源配置與執行成效」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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SPEAKER_00 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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563.30159375 |
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565.10721875 |
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0.963 |
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SPEAKER_00 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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566.71034375 |
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566.96346875 |
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0.963 |
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0 |
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3.5 |
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接下來我們請鄭天才委員諮詢 |
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15.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].end |
19.28 |
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主席有請經濟部次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].start |
19.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].end |
21.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].text |
好 請經濟部和次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].start |
24.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].end |
26.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].text |
好 鄭委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].start |
26.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].end |
27.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].text |
次長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].start |
27.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].end |
34.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].text |
這個我們現在的國際情 經貿情勢 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].start |
34.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].end |
37.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
這個以及全球供應鏈的重組 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
37.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
40.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
數位科技應用 人工智慧發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
40.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
44.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
資通安全風險 淨零碳排棲息 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
44.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
47.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
少子凝化及高凝化等議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
47.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
53.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
都是對中小企業經營環境造成重大的影響 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
54.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
57.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
尤其是微型企業的資源有限 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
57.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
64.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
但是它是更是一個需要特別特別的來去加強的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
64.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
68 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
我們以現在的台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
68 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
76.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
這個中小企業 或是微型企業 或是其他的企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
76.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
79.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
這邊寫的列舉的這幾個 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
79.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
84.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
你認為現在政府有積極在推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
84.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
87.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
然後比較能夠達成的 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
90.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
92.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
比較難達成的是哪一個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
94.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
96.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
我說我現在列舉的 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
96.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
98.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
這邊寫的文字 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
98.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
101.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
很難就經濟部來講 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
101.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
106.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
你無法去處理的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
106.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
109.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
無法就是可能少子凝化 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
109.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
111.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
對 完全正確 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
111.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
114.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
這是完全正確 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
114.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
116.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
重中之重 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
116.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
118.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
我們現在台灣的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
118.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
123.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
少子凝化及高凝化等議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
123.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
125.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
所以這個部份 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
125.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
127.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
這個經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
127.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
131.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
你們要透過你們的相關的資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
131.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
133.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
譬如說 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
133.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
135.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
135.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
138.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
我們在中小企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
138.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
141.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
我們的勞工 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
141.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
143.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
的年齡 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
143.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
145.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
的比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
145.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
149.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
這個勞工的這些年齡階層 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
149.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
151.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
然後呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
151.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
153.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
我們現在外勞 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
153.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
155.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
外籍勞工 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
155.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
157.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
在中小企業 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
157.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
159.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
的比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
159.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
161.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
人數比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
163.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
165.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
你們要把這個提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
165.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
168.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
除了提供給經濟委員會之外 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
168.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
170.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
提供給國發會 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
170.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
173.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
提供給國發會 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
173.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
175.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
還有勞動部 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
175.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
177.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
當然國發會最重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
177.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
179.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
因為涉及到整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
179.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
181.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
國家的政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
181.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
183.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
因為你不是你經濟部主管的 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
183.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
185.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
185.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
187.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
所以你要提供給 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
187.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
189.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
尤其是行政院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
189.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
191.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
甚至總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
191.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
193.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
怎麼樣去解決這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
193.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
195.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
怎麼樣去解決這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
195.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
197.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
重中之重 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
197.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
199.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
沒有人 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
199.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
201.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
201.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
203.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
沒有人怎麼去 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
203.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
205.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
再多的錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
205.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
207.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
207.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
209.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
再好的政策也沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
209.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
211.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
我想行政院跟總統都有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
211.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
213.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
這個重要的政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
213.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
215.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
針對少數人和高齡化 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
215.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
217.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
最近都有推出一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
217.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
219.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
很重要的政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
219.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
221.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
應該多少可以緩解 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
221.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
223.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
223.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
225.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
也是講給國發會聽的 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
225.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
227.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
當然經濟部很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
227.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
229.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
你們要去盤點 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
229.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
231.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
現在的勞工 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
231.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
233.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
他退休之後 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
233.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
235.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
的勞退 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
235.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
237.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
跟勞動部有關係 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
237.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
239.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
勞退 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
239.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
241.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
業退休薪還是勞退 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
241.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
243.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
包括這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
243.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
245.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
雇主所提撥的 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
245.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
247.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
勞退 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
247.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
249.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
勞退 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
249.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
251.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
提撥的 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
251.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
253.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
提撥的那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
253.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
255.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
退休 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
255.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
257.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
雇主有提撥嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
257.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
259.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
提撥6% |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
259.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
261.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
那個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
261.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
263.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
這樣加起來之後是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
265.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
267.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
我告訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
267.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
269.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
部長也讓國發會 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
269.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
271.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
次長也讓國發會知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
271.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
273.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
你去比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
273.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
275.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
比農民還少 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
276.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
278.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
比農民還少 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
278.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
280.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
比農民還少 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
280.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
282.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
我沒有說農民不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
282.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
284.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
農民該得的 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
284.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
286.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
那是該得的 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
286.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
288.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
但是比農民還少 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
290.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
292.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
因為政府投入到 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
292.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
294.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
農民的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
294.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
296.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
有比較多 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
296.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
298.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
包括退休 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
298.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
300.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
農民有退休除金 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
300.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
302.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
以前沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
302.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
304.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
現在有了 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
304.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
306.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
我們最近又修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
306.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
308.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
政府投入的比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
308.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
310.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
還增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
310.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
312.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
以前是5比5 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
312.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
314.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
現在還增加 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
314.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
316.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
這個都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
316.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
318.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
要真正的去解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
318.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
320.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
320.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
322.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
你要把這些問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
322.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
324.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
我們去講都沒有用 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
324.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
326.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
你們去講才有用 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
326.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
328.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
為什麼我們修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
328.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
330.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
不一定會被 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
330.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
332.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
最近修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
332.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
334.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
最近修法 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
334.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
336.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
制定的法律不附屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
336.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
338.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
對不對 不附屬 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
338.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
340.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
就會有這種狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
340.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
342.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
本來是要解決 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
342.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
344.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
這個掃指女化的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
344.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
346.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
346.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
348.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
經濟部要提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
348.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
350.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
350.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
352.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
我們看這個數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
352.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
354.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
你們都很清楚了 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
354.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
356.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
我就不再講了 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
356.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
358.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
我們看這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
358.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
360.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
你看啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
360.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
362.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
剛才那個數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
362.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
364.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
919.4萬人 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
368.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
370.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
承載全國約八成 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
370.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
372.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
919.4萬人 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
372.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
374.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
你看我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
374.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
376.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
你們目前提供租稅 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
376.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
378.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
誘惠 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
378.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
380.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
受惠加薪基層員工 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
380.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
382.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
才3萬1000多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
382.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
384.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
384.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
386.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
這個就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
386.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
388.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
落差 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
388.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
390.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
就是加強的地方啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
390.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
392.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
光從這個數字就可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
392.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
394.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
就可以看得出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
394.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
396.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
所以跟我們報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
396.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
398.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
這也就是我們為什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
398.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
400.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
要修中小切法條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
400.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
402.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
為中小切法條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
402.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
404.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
等一下我會提出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
404.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
406.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
這個也是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
406.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
408.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
相關的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
408.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
410.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
鼓勵為員工加薪 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
410.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
412.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
並提供額外信保額度 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
412.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
414.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
當然都要做 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
414.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
416.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
但是你看 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
416.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
418.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
受惠員工人數 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
418.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
420.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
約3萬3942人 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
420.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
422.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
距離900多萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
422.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
424.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
我再看一下這個數字 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
424.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
426.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
距離這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
426.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
428.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
919.4萬人 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
428.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
430.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
落差很大 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
430.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
432.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
所以這個都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
432.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
434.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
消費加強 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
434.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
436.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
我之所以要特別 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
436.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
438.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
把這個數字寫出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
438.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
440.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
就是在講 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
440.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
442.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
經濟部 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
442.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
444.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
嚴離中小 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
444.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
446.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
嚴離中小企業發展條例的 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
446.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
448.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
修正 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
448.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
450.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
怎麼樣要把它 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
450.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
452.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
納入在這裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
452.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
454.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
因為人最重要啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
454.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
456.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
456.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
458.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
沒有人怎麼去再好的這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
458.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
460.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
460.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
462.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
再好的優惠 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
462.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
464.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
沒有人去執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
464.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
466.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
都是一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
466.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
468.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
需要去加強的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
468.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
471.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
你要嚴離中小 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
471.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
473.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
為企業轉型升級 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
474 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
476 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
人升級發展條例也是一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
478 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
480 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
我知道你們要重視的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
480 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
482 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
你們都會去重視 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
482 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
484 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
但是 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
484 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
486 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
比較會 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
486 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
488 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
舒服的 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
488 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
490 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
你會認為這不應該是我的業務 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
490 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
492 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
你會這樣想啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
492 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
494 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
但是必須要跨部會的去 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
494 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
496 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
處理去因應 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
498 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
500 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
因為沒有人 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
500 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
502 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
你再好的政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
502.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
504.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
你再好的這些措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].start |
504.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
506.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
你都沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
506.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
508.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
所以人是最重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].start |
508.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
510.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].start |
510.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
512.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
為什麼教育很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
512.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
514.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
就是因為要人 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
514.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
516.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
有人要有教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
516.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
518.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
所以我們要感謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
518.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
520.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
過去啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
520.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
522.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
當時的年代以反攻大陸為主的年代 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
522.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
524.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
民國57年 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
524.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
526.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
開始有這種 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
526.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
528.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
528.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
530.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
九年國教 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
530.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
532.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
532.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
534.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
義務教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
534.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
536.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
九年國教 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
536.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
538.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
現在變12年 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
538.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
540.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
所以這個都是教育 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
540.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
542.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
542.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
544.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
你再有沒有人的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
544.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
546.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
你也沒辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].start |
546.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].end |
548.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
所以一定要把它 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
548.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
550.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
納入在整個 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
550.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
552.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
尤其是透過法律的制定 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
552.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
554.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
我們去訂啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
554.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
556.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
他又不附屬啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
556.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
558.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
在內部在行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
558.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
560.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
相關部會討論的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
560.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
562.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
就要把它納入啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
562.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
564.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
好不好 好 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
564.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
566.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
謝謝 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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|
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主席，有請經濟部次長。 |
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1 |
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主席 |
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|
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2026-08-26T10:32:05.030000+08:00 |
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好，請經濟部何次長。 |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
何次長晉滄 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-08-26T10:32:08.976000+08:00 |
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2026-08-26T10:32:09.804000+08:00 |
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鄭委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-08-26T10:32:10.080000+08:00 |
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2026-08-26T10:32:11.053333+08:00 |
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次長好。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-08-26T10:32:14.780000+08:00 |
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2026-08-26T10:32:48.641818+08:00 |
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近年國際經貿情勢快速變動，全球供應鏈重組、數位科技應用、人工智慧發展、資通安全風險、淨零碳排趨勢、少子女化及高齡化等議題，都對中小企業的經營環境造成重大影響，尤其微型企業的資源有限，因此它是需要特別加強的部分。 |
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0.863 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-08-26T10:32:50.100000+08:00 |
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2026-08-26T10:33:15.873333+08:00 |
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現在臺灣的中小企業或微型企業或是其他的企業，這邊列舉的這幾個，你認為現在政府有積極在推動，然後比較難達成的是哪一個部分？ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.982 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
何次長晉滄 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-08-26T10:33:15.873333+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-08-26T10:33:18.040000+08:00 |
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委員是說比較難達成還是比較容易達成的？ |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-08-26T10:33:18.040000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-08-26T10:33:29.484444+08:00 |
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我是說我列舉的、這邊寫的文字，就經濟部來講，你無法處理的部分。 |
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0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
何次長晉滄 |
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2026-08-26T10:33:29.484444+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-08-26T10:33:33.180000+08:00 |
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就是少子女化跟高齡化這個部分，我們經濟部可能…… |
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0.19 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-08-26T10:33:33.180000+08:00 |
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2026-08-26T10:33:46.725455+08:00 |
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對，這完全正確，是重中之重，我們現在臺灣的問題，有關少子女化及高齡化等議題是重中之重。 |
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0.737 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-08-26T10:33:47.846667+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-08-26T10:34:39.060000+08:00 |
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在這個部分，經濟部要透過你們的相關資料，譬如我們中小企業的勞工年齡、比例、勞工的年齡階層，以及目前外籍勞工在中小企業的人數、比例，這個部分的相關資料，你們除了要提供給經濟委員會之外，還要提供給國發會還有勞動部。 |
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0.747 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-08-26T10:34:39.460000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-08-26T10:34:45.060000+08:00 |
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當然，國發會最重要，因為涉及到整個國家的政策。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-08-26T10:34:45.960000+08:00 |
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2026-08-26T10:34:48.793333+08:00 |
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這不是你經濟部主管的，對不對？ |
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0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-08-26T10:34:49.460000+08:00 |
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2026-08-26T10:35:04.933333+08:00 |
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所以你要提供，尤其是提供給行政院院長，甚至總統，看怎麼樣去解決，這個是重中之重，對不對？ |
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0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-08-26T10:35:05.600000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-08-26T10:35:13.400000+08:00 |
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沒有人，你再多的錢、再好的政策也沒有辦法，是不是這樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.739 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
何次長晉滄 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-08-26T10:35:13.933333+08:00 |
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2026-08-26T10:35:25.350000+08:00 |
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是，行政院跟總統都有一些重大的政策，針對少子女化跟高齡化，最近都有推出一些很重要的政策，應該多少可以緩解這樣的一些問題。 |
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0.764 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-08-26T10:35:25.740000+08:00 |
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2026-08-26T10:35:29.517778+08:00 |
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好，我也是講給國發會聽的。 |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
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2026-08-26T10:35:29.740000+08:00 |
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2026-08-26T10:35:49.406667+08:00 |
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當然，經濟部很重要，你們要去盤點現在勞工退休之後的勞退、月退休金，這個跟勞動部有關係，包括雇主所提撥的部分。 |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-08-26T10:35:59.880000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-08-26T10:36:01.213333+08:00 |
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雇主有提撥，你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
何次長晉滄 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-08-26T10:36:01.213333+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-08-26T10:36:02.213333+08:00 |
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是，我知道。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-08-26T10:36:01.880000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-08-26T10:36:07.680000+08:00 |
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提撥6%那個部分，這樣加起來之後是多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-08-26T10:36:09.880000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-08-26T10:36:19.480000+08:00 |
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我告訴次長，也讓國發會知道，你去比較的話是比農民還少啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.84 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-08-26T10:36:24.020000+08:00 |
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2026-08-26T10:37:01.874286+08:00 |
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我沒有說農民不好，農民該得的，那是該得的，但是比農民還少，因為政府投入到農民的部分比較多，包括退休農民有退休儲金，以前沒有，但現在有了，我們最近又修法，政府投入的比例還增加，以前是五比五，現在還增加了，這個都是真正要解決的問題。 |
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0.911 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-08-26T10:37:02.160000+08:00 |
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2026-08-26T10:37:10.731429+08:00 |
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經濟部要把這些問題……我們去講都沒有用，你們去講才有用，為什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-08-26T10:37:11.017143+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-08-26T10:37:20.966667+08:00 |
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因為我們修法，最近修法制定的法律會被不副署，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.739 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-08-26T10:37:22.300000+08:00 |
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2026-08-26T10:37:28.077778+08:00 |
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就會有這種狀況，本來是要解決少子女化的問題啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-08-26T10:37:28.300000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-08-26T10:37:32.014286+08:00 |
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所以經濟部要提出來。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-08-26T10:37:34.300000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-08-26T10:38:14.080000+08:00 |
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我們看這個數字，你們都很清楚了，我就不再講了，剛才講的那個數字，中小為企業勞工919.4萬人，承載全國約八成之勞動力，你們目前提供租稅優惠，受惠加薪基層員工才三萬一千多人，這個就是落差、還要去加強的地方，對不對？是。 |
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0.739 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-08-26T10:38:14.580000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-08-26T10:38:18.294286+08:00 |
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光從這個數字就可以看得出來。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
何次長晉滄 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-08-26T10:38:18.580000+08:00 |
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2026-08-26T10:38:26.294286+08:00 |
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是，所以跟委員報告，這也就是為什麼我們要把「中小企業發展條例」修為「中小微企業轉型升級發展條例」。 |
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0.524 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-08-26T10:38:26.580000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-08-26T10:38:28.330000+08:00 |
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對，等一下我會提出來。 |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-08-26T10:38:28.580000+08:00 |
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2026-08-26T10:38:58.220000+08:00 |
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這個也是一樣，相關的這些鼓勵，為員工加薪並提供額外信保額度，當然都要做，但是你看受惠員工人數3萬3,942人，我們再看一下這個數字，距離919.4萬人落差很大，所以這個都需要去加強。 |
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0.932 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-08-26T10:38:58.720000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-08-26T10:39:16.526667+08:00 |
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我之所以要特別把這個數字寫出來，就是在講經濟部研擬中小企業發展條例的修正，怎麼樣把它納入這裡面？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.956 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-08-26T10:39:16.860000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-08-26T10:39:20.193333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
因為人最重要了，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-08-26T10:39:20.860000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-08-26T10:39:32.610000+08:00 |
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沒有人，再好的這些政策、再好的優惠，沒有人去執行，這都是需要去加強的地方。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-08-26T10:39:32.860000+08:00 |
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2026-08-26T10:40:11.854286+08:00 |
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你要研擬中小微企業轉型升級發展條例也是一樣，我知道你們要重視的地方都會去重視，但是比較會疏忽的，你會認為這不應該是我的業務，你會這樣想，但是必須跨部會去處理、去因應，因為沒有人，你再好的政策、再好的措施都沒有辦法，所以人最重要！ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.951 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-08-26T10:40:14.140000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-08-26T10:40:15.890000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
為什麼教育很重要？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-08-26T10:40:16.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-08-26T10:40:19.806667+08:00 |
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就是因為要有人，有人了要有教育，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.706 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-08-26T10:40:20.140000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-08-26T10:40:35.613333+08:00 |
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所以我們要感謝過去當時的年代，以反攻大陸為主的年代，民國57年開始有9年國教，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-08-26T10:40:36.280000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-08-26T10:41:07.420000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
義務教育9年國教，本來6年變9年，現在變12年，這個都是教育，沒有人的話也沒有辦法，所以一定要把它納入整個……尤其是透過制訂法律，因為我們去訂定，等一下又不副署，所以你們要提出來，在內部、在行政院相關部會討論的時候就要把它納入，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.758 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
何次長晉滄 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-08-26T10:41:07.920000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-08-26T10:41:09.420000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
好，謝謝。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
何次長晉滄 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-08-26T10:41:09.920000+08:00 |
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謝謝委員。 |
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主席 |
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謝謝鄭天財委員。 |
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主席 |
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蘇清泉委員、蘇清泉委員，蘇清泉委員不在。 |
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主席 |
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接下來請葉元之委員質詢。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（10時31分）主席，有請經濟部次長。 |
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主席：好，請經濟部何次長。 |
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何次長晉滄：鄭委員好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：次長好。近年國際經貿情勢快速變動，全球供應鏈重組、數位科技應用、人工智慧發展、資通安全風險、淨零碳排趨勢、少子女化及高齡化等議題，都對中小企業的經營環境造成重大影響，尤其微型企業的資源有限，因此它是需要特別加強的部分。現在臺灣的中小企業或微型企業或是其他的企業，這邊列舉的這幾個，你認為現在政府有積極在推動，然後比較難達成的是哪一個部分？ |
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何次長晉滄：委員是說比較難達成還是比較容易達成的？ |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我是說我列舉的、這邊寫的文字，就經濟部來講，你無法處理的部分。 |
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何次長晉滄：就是少子女化跟高齡化這個部分，我們經濟部可能…… |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：對，這完全正確，是重中之重，我們現在臺灣的問題，有關少子女化及高齡化等議題是重中之重。在這個部分，經濟部要透過你們的相關資料，譬如我們中小企業的勞工年齡、比例、勞工的年齡階層，以及目前外籍勞工在中小企業的人數、比例，這個部分的相關資料，你們除了要提供給經濟委員會之外，還要提供給國發會還有勞動部。當然，國發會最重要，因為涉及到整個國家的政策。這不是你經濟部主管的，對不對？所以你要提供，尤其是提供給行政院院長，甚至總統，看怎麼樣去解決，這個是重中之重，對不對？沒有人，你再多的錢、再好的政策也沒有辦法，是不是這樣？ |
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何次長晉滄：是，行政院跟總統都有一些重大的政策，針對少子女化跟高齡化，最近都有推出一些很重要的政策，應該多少可以緩解這樣的一些問題。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，我也是講給國發會聽的。當然，經濟部很重要，你們要去盤點現在勞工退休之後的勞退、月退休金，這個跟勞動部有關係，包括雇主所提撥的部分。雇主有提撥，你知道嗎？ |
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何次長晉滄：是，我知道。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：提撥6%那個部分，這樣加起來之後是多少？我告訴次長，也讓國發會知道，你去比較的話是比農民還少啊！我沒有說農民不好，農民該得的，那是該得的，但是比農民還少，因為政府投入到農民的部分比較多，包括退休農民有退休儲金，以前沒有，但現在有了，我們最近又修法，政府投入的比例還增加，以前是五比五，現在還增加了，這個都是真正要解決的問題。經濟部要把這些問題……我們去講都沒有用，你們去講才有用，為什麼？因為我們修法，最近修法制定的法律會被不副署，對不對？就會有這種狀況，本來是要解決少子女化的問題啊！所以經濟部要提出來。 |
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我們看這個數字，你們都很清楚了，我就不再講了，剛才講的那個數字，中小為企業勞工919.4萬人，承載全國約八成之勞動力，你們目前提供租稅優惠，受惠加薪基層員工才三萬一千多人，這個就是落差、還要去加強的地方，對不對？ |
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何次長晉滄：是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：光從這個數字就可以看得出來。 |
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何次長晉滄：是，所以跟委員報告，這也就是為什麼我們要把「中小企業發展條例」修為「中小微企業轉型升級發展條例」。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：對，等一下我會提出來。這個也是一樣，相關的這些鼓勵，為員工加薪並提供額外信保額度，當然都要做，但是你看受惠員工人數3萬3,942人，我們再看一下這個數字，距離919.4萬人落差很大，所以這個都需要去加強。我之所以要特別把這個數字寫出來，就是在講經濟部研擬中小企業發展條例的修正，怎麼樣把它納入這裡面？因為人最重要了，對不對？沒有人，再好的這些政策、再好的優惠，沒有人去執行，這都是需要去加強的地方。你要研擬中小微企業轉型升級發展條例也是一樣，我知道你們要重視的地方都會去重視，但是比較會疏忽的，你會認為這不應該是我的業務，你會這樣想，但是必須跨部會去處理、去因應，因為沒有人，你再好的政策、再好的措施都沒有辦法，所以人最重要！為什麼教育很重要？就是因為要有人，有人了要有教育，對不對？所以我們要感謝過去當時的年代，以反攻大陸為主的年代，民國57年開始有9年國教，對不對？義務教育9年國教，本來6年變9年，現在變12年，這個都是教育，沒有人的話也沒有辦法，所以一定要把它納入整個……尤其是透過制訂法律，因為我們去訂定，等一下又不副署，所以你們要提出來，在內部、在行政院相關部會討論的時候就要把它納入，好不好？ |
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何次長晉滄：好，謝謝。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：謝謝。 |
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何次長晉滄：謝謝委員。 |
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主席：謝謝鄭天財委員。 |
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蘇清泉委員、蘇清泉委員，蘇清泉委員不在。 |
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接下來請葉元之委員質詢。 |
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立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第27次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員、財政部首長、金融監督管理委員會首長、財團法人
中小企業信用保證基金首長、國家科學及技術委員會首長就「中小微新企業發展困境、政策需求
及政府資源配置與執行成效」進行報告，並備質詢 |
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委員會-11-5-19-27 |
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洪毓祥 |
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陳亭妃 |
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鍾佳濱 |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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呂玉玲 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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葉元之 |
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蔡易餘 |
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鄭正鈐 |
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傅崐萁 |
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邱議瑩 |
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謝衣鳯 |
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徐欣瑩 |
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陳超明 |
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張嘉郡 |
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賴瑞隆 |
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