| IVOD_ID |
171068 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/171068 |
| 日期 |
2026-08-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第30次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
30 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第30次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-08-19T11:32:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-08-19T11:42:56+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:12 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0db75461a96d9b805bbb3b9b2c2ab5cc620aa717d8f04ad1d62701491950973f486914daaa45fd855ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:32:44 - 11:42:56 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-08-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第30次全體委員會議（事由：邀請外交部部長林佳龍、僑務委員會委員長徐佳青報告「外交與僑務協同培育青年國際視野之執行成效與多語布局」，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席,以及各位先進,有請外交部的林部長 |
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來,部長你好,幾個問題,不大不小的問題 |
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最近看到,其實日本的首相,高市早苗,在那個靖國深色外邊 |
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沒有離太遠的地方,等於遙跡,可是他們的官員,包括房長,幾位閣員都進去了 |
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這樣的一個情況,外界就解讀了,某種程度來講,在高市早苗的領導之下 |
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日本是不是逐漸的要恢復,走向軍國主義 |
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畢竟對於,特別是在核武這一方面,它原來有三不原則 |
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不要生產,不要運輸什麼之類的 |
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那這個,又加上他們的房長,來去這個靖國深色 |
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這是一個很敏感的問題,特別在8月15號,它是一個戰敗的紀念日 |
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那麼它通篇沒有提到反省,沒有提到,過去來講的話,日本的首相都會提這個東西 |
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它這次的高市沒有提到什麼反省,好像它做錯,沒有 |
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他們就認為,換言之我要強調一個是,現在的日本首相,基本上 |
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他要改寫日本侵略,奧戰的時候,侵略世界各國的這個歷史 |
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他改寫這個歷史,那結果韓國當然大幅的抗議 |
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然後中國大陸也抗議,台灣典雞雞,兩雞尊重 |
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這兩個字尊重,我請問部長,你這個尊重什麼意思 |
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我想外交部了解,這個日本社會對這些歷史議題有多元的看法 |
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所以我們當然也期待,要不斷的去檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
131 |
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136 |
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不要再重犯過去發動戰爭這樣的罪行 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
136 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
141 |
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可是也要同時期待,共同來維護區域的和平和穩定 |
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141 |
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對當前,我想台日的關係,我們也希望能夠就是說有助於我們區域的和平穩定 |
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你知道在二戰期間,我們台灣人死多少人,你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
154 |
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155 |
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死多少人 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
155 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
157 |
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要看你怎麼計算 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
157 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
160 |
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不是怎麼計算,你Google現在都有3萬多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
160 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
164 |
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有人講十幾萬,但是精準來講3萬多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
164 |
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170 |
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而且裡面被動員的人有20萬人,那是他能夠很少 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
170 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
174 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
基本上來講的話,二戰期間台灣是被日本羅令的 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
174 |
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179 |
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台灣是被日本,那時候,所以台灣的地位尷尬 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
179 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
182 |
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日本的殖民地,然後是什麼?戰敗國 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
182 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
187 |
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可是回到中華民國是戰勝國,變這個樣子,會有這個東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
187 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
195 |
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可是我們看喔,陳水扁是民進黨第一個當中華民國的總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
195 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
199 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
他對於這件事情的表現都比你們現在強硬 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
199 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
204 |
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你們現在尊重,尊重的意思是什麼意思?叫樂見其成 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
204 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
208 |
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可以這樣子嗎?可以對一個侵略國 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
208 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
213 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
然後他的過去這樣侵略全世界,造成世界這麼大的一個傷害 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
213 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
218 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
然後他的首相居然現在來講,完全180度轉變了 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
218 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
222 |
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變成是他們都沒有任何的錯,都是別人的錯 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
222 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
225 |
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他們活該,要被打 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
225 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
228 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
這個樣子,他要改寫這樣歷史 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
228 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
233 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
然後我們死了在那段時間,最保守估計是3萬人以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
233 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
236 |
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然後我們都不敢講話,只有講兩個字叫尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
236 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
239 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
這個東西太軟弱了吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
239 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
242 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
那個林部長,太軟弱了 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
242 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
249 |
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你要知道,馬政府要反省啊,他都沒有反省啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
249 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
252 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
對不對,你要呼籲他要反省啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
252 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
258 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
你要想喔,馬政府的時候,2008到2016年 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
258 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
263 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
外交部總共發表了13篇官方的文章 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
263 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
267 |
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最少最少,我們當然知道對日本關係很重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
267 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
271 |
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但最少都表示遺憾啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
271 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
273 |
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還很客氣,沒有講到抗議啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
273 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
276 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
韓國是抗議,中國大陸是抗議啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
276 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
280 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
然後最少我們講個遺憾,然後民進黨執政政府都不敢講 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
280 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
283 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
遺憾這兩個字不敢講,都講尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
283 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
285 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
讓人家瞧不起啊,結果你可以看啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
285 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
288 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
比較一下啊,我們對日本這麼好 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
288 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
293 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
日本的,在2011年日本的311地震 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
293 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
299 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
台灣捐了68.5億新台幣,全球之冠 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
299 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
303 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
反過來,就是來講他們當然我們是這個什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
303 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
307 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
這個能杯擠杯,我們當然是這個support |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
307 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
310 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
代表我們對日本非常友好 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
310 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
315 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
但是後來2024年台灣4月3號的花蓮地震 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
315 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
319 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
日本捐多少?幾千萬而已啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
319 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
323 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
就是你會發現啊,我們有一點熱淋貼冷屁股啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
323 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
327 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
你不覺得嗎?然後以前你的前面的外交部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
327 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
331 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
吳釗燮,說日本是我們的大格格 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
331 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
335 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
還有有照顧到?沒有照顧到而已啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
335 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
339 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
包括最近的李毅洋,他的座位被欺負 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
339 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
344 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
就排在什麼什麼海,這個要長期的什麼什麼活動 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
344 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
346 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
沒有,都是廣島 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
346 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
349 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
廣島要長期長期的,他就沒去嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
349 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
351 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
廣島就是處長處長 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
351 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
354 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
長期要沒去嘛,他座位都排在海外 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
354 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
356 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
就排在海外時,排到很後面 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
356 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
361 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
就是說我們一直說台日多重要,多重要 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
361 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
365 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
結果我告訴好幾個面向嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
365 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
368 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
你說捐款就差這麼多,我們給68億 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
368 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
371 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
然後他們給幾千萬,都是大地震 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
371 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
374 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
差這麼多,你不覺得真的是 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
374 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
377 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
真的是我們真的是一坨栽進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
377 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
380 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
然後我們的駐日代表幾乎都變成 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
380 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
382 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
幫助日本代表,變這個樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
382 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
385 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
很悲哀啦,我今天特別來跟你講這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
385 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
388 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
看你現在也是軟趴趴的,不敢講什麼話 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
388 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
390 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
面對日本不敢講那個的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
390 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
393 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
他們的首相越來越強硬 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
393 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
397 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
有那個趨勢要走向軍國主義的覆辟 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
397 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
401 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
結果我們現在基本上來講的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
401 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
403 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
還是等級級,然後就尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
403 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
405 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
尊重就是四個字 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
405 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
407 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
叫樂見其成,是不是樂見其成 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
407 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
409 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
你是不是樂見其成 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
409 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
411 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
沒有,對於發動戰爭的這個歷史 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
411 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
413 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
要不斷的結合 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
413 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
415 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
不是,你有沒有樂見其成啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
415 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
417 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
你是不是樂見其成他們的首相 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
417 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
419 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
我可能不要概念轉換 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
419 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
421 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
因為這個好幾個層次的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
421 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
423 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
你尊重什麼意思嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
423 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
425 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
你尊重你發表的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
425 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
427 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
發表尊重什麼意思啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
427 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
429 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
就是外交部了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
429 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
432 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
日本社會對於這些重大的歷史議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
432 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
434 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
有多元的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
434 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
438 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
但是要對歷史要不斷的檢討反省 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
438 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
441 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
請問日本、二戰是不是侵略世界各國 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
441 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
443 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
當然他是侵略啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
443 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
445 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
是嗎,那就不能講 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
445 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
447 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
說尊重啊,怎麼可以尊重呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
447 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
450 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
不是侵略喔,是多元的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
450 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
453 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
因為現在他已經改變了過去 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
453 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
455 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
委員啊,現在在談的是進國神社 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
455 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
457 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
還是談二戰,還是歷史 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
457 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
459 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
兩個都談,因為第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
459 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
461 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
我想第二個是進國神社 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
461 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
463 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
第一個先談首相 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
463 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
466 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
日本首相對於二戰的詮釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
466 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
469 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
他侵略世界各國的詮釋 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
469 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
472 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
他已經改變了過去好像要反省 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
472 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
474 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
現在都沒有反省了 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
474 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
476 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
我們認為這些段歷史 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
476 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
478 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
不只反省,要檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
478 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
481 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
要避免能夠不太反省 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
481 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
483 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
尊重他多元的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
483 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
486 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
就是等於尊重他改變 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
486 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
489 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
我們外交部同仁 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
489 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
491 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
新聞稿不是這個樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
491 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
493 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
看一下全文 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
493 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
496 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
我全文都看了,還要尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
496 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
498 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
尊重,不能尊重啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
498 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
500 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
這個怎麼可以尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
500 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
502 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
日本社會這個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
502 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
506 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
歷史要正視他侵略的事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
506 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
507 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
要正視這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
507 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
509 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].text |
當然你可以原諒 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
509 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
511 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].text |
但是不能忽視 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
511 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
514 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
他是侵略讓台灣人死掉3萬多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
514 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
516 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].text |
其他的國家都死很多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
516 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
519 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].text |
日本是二戰的一個元凶 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].start |
519 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
521 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
這裡面進國神社裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
521 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
523 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
裡面都是祭拜的都是 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
523 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
525 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
那個一等一的戰犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
525 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
527 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
都很清楚那些國務人 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].start |
527 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
528 |
| transcript.whisperx[144].text |
進國神社很複雜 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
528 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
530 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
不是只有祭拜那些戰犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
530 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
他就是因為混在一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
531 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
532 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
所以問題很複雜 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
532 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
我是覺得我們是所謂了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
535 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
537 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
日本社會對這個歷史的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
537 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
539 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
有多元的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
539 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
541 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
是說我們同意喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
541 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
543 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
這個不一樣的喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
543 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
545 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
尊重就代表同意啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
545 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
547 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
檢討反省 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
547 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
549 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
我們要維護和平穩定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
549 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
551 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
所有的立委提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
551 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
552 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
我說尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
552 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
553 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
什麼意思 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
553 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
554 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
尊重就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
554 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
556 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
我不同意你啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
556 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
557 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
基本上是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
557 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
558 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
沒有把你選去了 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
558 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
請你看詳細的一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
560 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
562 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
看了我才能跟你執行的 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
562 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
563 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
我跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
563 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
566 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
這個部長對日本要強硬一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
566 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
568 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
包括他跟菲律賓一起 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
568 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
569 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
化經濟海域 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
569 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
571 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
跟台灣維基比 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
571 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
572 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
你也尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
572 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
什麼尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
573 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
574 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
然後那個從事鳥交 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
574 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
明明是個交 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
575 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
576 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
他還說是個島 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
576 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
578 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
你也尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
578 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
579 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
579 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
580 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
對著日本 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
580 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
582 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
對著旁邊的菲律賓 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
582 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
584 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
這樣嚇到要死 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
584 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
585 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
只有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
585 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
587 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
我們敢大聲的對中國大陸 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
587 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
588 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
因為這個政治操作 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
588 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
589 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
抗中保台 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
589 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
591 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
我不要敢大聲 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
591 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
593 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
其他亂啪啪的啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
593 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
594 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
中國在侵略台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
594 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
595 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
我們大概表達 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
595 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
597 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
其他亂啪啪的啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
597 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
599 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
這個民間很悲哀啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
599 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
600 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
這個林部長不能 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
600 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
601 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
他的 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
601 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
602 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
他要扭曲歷史 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
602 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
604 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
不能尊重啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
604 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
605 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
他進國神社 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
605 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
606 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
也要表達 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
606 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
608 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
最少要遺憾啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
608 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
609 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
最好是抗議了 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
609 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
610 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
610 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
611 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].start |
611 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
612 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
謝謝 |