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陳冠廷 @ 第11屆第5會期司法及法制、外交及國防委員會第1次聯席會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:02,000 | 張偉 |
| 00:00:06,000 | 00:00:09,000 | 謝謝委員 那我們請副部長跟司長 |
| 00:00:09,000 | 00:00:12,000 | 請副部長跟司長 |
| 00:00:16,000 | 00:00:17,000 | 陳委員好 |
| 00:00:17,000 | 00:00:21,000 | 副部長 這個我們今天針對的這個 |
| 00:00:21,000 | 00:00:23,000 | 入海公軍刑法第24條提出修正案 |
| 00:00:23,000 | 00:00:26,000 | 那原因當然是因為最近如果大家看新聞的話 |
| 00:00:26,000 | 00:00:29,000 | 有許多基層的這些士官兵 |
| 00:00:29,000 | 00:00:32,000 | 那可能是因為財務上面的糾紛困難 |
| 00:00:32,000 | 00:00:36,000 | 那導致說他們必須來透過地下錢莊 |
| 00:00:36,000 | 00:00:38,000 | 那導致一來債滾債 |
| 00:00:38,000 | 00:00:41,000 | 那沒有辦法去負擔 |
| 00:00:41,000 | 00:00:46,000 | 那最後就向中國或者是中國的這個代理勢力 |
| 00:00:46,000 | 00:00:48,000 | 來去錄影 |
| 00:00:48,000 | 00:00:52,000 | 來表達他們要對中共效忠的這樣子的表現 |
| 00:00:52,000 | 00:00:54,000 | 那針對這個部分 |
| 00:00:54,000 | 00:00:56,000 | 其實我自己也有版本 |
| 00:00:56,000 | 00:00:58,000 | 那我的版本裡面 |
| 00:00:58,000 | 00:01:02,000 | 那是針對這些言語、舉動、文字、圖畫 |
| 00:01:02,000 | 00:01:08,000 | 電磁記錄、科技方法或其他方式對敵人效忠 |
| 00:01:08,000 | 00:01:11,000 | 但是我不是只有講這邊喔 |
| 00:01:11,000 | 00:01:15,000 | 足以身軍事上之不利者 |
| 00:01:15,000 | 00:01:17,000 | 除一年以上、七年以下有期徒審 |
| 00:01:17,000 | 00:01:20,000 | 那原版的是沒有這一句話 |
| 00:01:20,000 | 00:01:22,000 | 那我為什麼要談這句話就是說 |
| 00:01:22,000 | 00:01:24,000 | 在我們同時要有一個平衡 |
| 00:01:24,000 | 00:01:26,000 | 平衡性的意思就是說 |
| 00:01:26,000 | 00:01:30,000 | 你必須要知道說他的這個意圖會造成這個結果 |
| 00:01:30,000 | 00:01:32,000 | 那是對我國的軍事是不利的 |
| 00:01:32,000 | 00:01:34,000 | 但是如果他沒有這個意圖 |
| 00:01:34,000 | 00:01:36,000 | 那也沒有這個結果 |
| 00:01:36,000 | 00:01:37,000 | 那是又另外一回事 |
| 00:01:37,000 | 00:01:39,000 | 但是既沒有這個意圖 |
| 00:01:39,000 | 00:01:40,000 | 也沒有這個結果 |
| 00:01:40,000 | 00:01:45,000 | 但是他傳送了這些言語、文字、圖畫、跟電磁記錄 |
| 00:01:45,000 | 00:01:46,000 | 那作為可能是他 |
| 00:01:46,000 | 00:01:48,000 | 我們不揣測嘛 |
| 00:01:48,000 | 00:01:52,000 | 有可能是在他認為是玩笑 |
| 00:01:52,000 | 00:01:57,000 | 或者是認為是這個他沒有這個意圖去傷害我國的國軍 |
| 00:01:57,000 | 00:02:00,000 | 只是他故意這樣子講來去反諷 |
| 00:02:00,000 | 00:02:02,000 | 就是可能有各種不同的方式 |
| 00:02:02,000 | 00:02:04,000 | 就是說就是在這種狀況之下 |
| 00:02:04,000 | 00:02:09,000 | 那我們用哪樣子的條文、刑法來去辦理 |
| 00:02:09,000 | 00:02:10,000 | 那就是很重要 |
| 00:02:10,000 | 00:02:15,000 | 那我們認為說這些嚴重傷害我國國家利益的 |
| 00:02:15,000 | 00:02:16,000 | 他當然是要法辦 |
| 00:02:16,000 | 00:02:18,000 | 但是在法辦的這個基礎之下 |
| 00:02:18,000 | 00:02:20,000 | 我們把它明確定義好 |
| 00:02:20,000 | 00:02:22,000 | 那這樣子的話未來法官去判刑 |
| 00:02:22,000 | 00:02:24,000 | 那就更有相關的基準在 |
| 00:02:24,000 | 00:02:27,000 | 那我想看一下副部長或者是這個 |
| 00:02:27,000 | 00:02:30,000 | 我們的這個司長有什麼樣的看法 |
| 00:02:36,000 | 00:02:37,000 | 報告委員 |
| 00:02:37,000 | 00:02:39,000 | 高委員提出的版本有在 |
| 00:02:39,000 | 00:02:45,000 | 以言語舉動、文字、圖畫、電磁記錄、科技方法或其他方式 |
| 00:02:45,000 | 00:02:47,000 | 對敵人為效忠之表示 |
| 00:02:47,000 | 00:02:49,000 | 後面加了主語聲軍事上是不利益 |
| 00:02:49,000 | 00:02:51,000 | 那我原提的版本 |
| 00:02:51,000 | 00:02:53,000 | 那在司法院也有提出相同的版本 |
| 00:02:53,000 | 00:02:56,000 | 那司法院是認為說在這一個法條上面 |
| 00:02:56,000 | 00:02:59,000 | 加上四性犯一個處理的話 |
| 00:02:59,000 | 00:03:01,000 | 能夠讓法院就具體個案 |
| 00:03:01,000 | 00:03:04,000 | 他能夠來做一個判斷、來認定 |
| 00:03:04,000 | 00:03:06,000 | 那我們 |
| 00:03:06,000 | 00:03:10,000 | 我們就這樣一個主語聲軍事上是不利益 |
| 00:03:10,000 | 00:03:11,000 | 我們表示尊重 |
| 00:03:11,000 | 00:03:16,000 | 那待會法條要怎麼樣調整 |
| 00:03:16,000 | 00:03:20,000 | 才是符合我們現在實務上面所面臨的困境 |
| 00:03:20,000 | 00:03:22,000 | 那我想說待會的話 |
| 00:03:22,000 | 00:03:24,000 | 那個待會逐條的時候 |
| 00:03:24,000 | 00:03:26,000 | 可以再做一個充分的調論 |
| 00:03:26,000 | 00:03:28,000 | 但是針對主語聲軍事上是不利益 |
| 00:03:28,000 | 00:03:30,000 | 那我們都是尊重的 |
| 00:03:30,000 | 00:03:31,000 | 好 |
| 00:03:31,000 | 00:03:33,000 | 因為如果 |
| 00:03:33,000 | 00:03:35,000 | 主語聲軍事上是不利益者的話 |
| 00:03:35,000 | 00:03:37,000 | 那有檢查、檢調來提出證據 |
| 00:03:37,000 | 00:03:39,000 | 那只要提出的證據 |
| 00:03:39,000 | 00:03:40,000 | 他符合他的證據法則 |
| 00:03:40,000 | 00:03:42,000 | 那基本上就可以成立了 |
| 00:03:42,000 | 00:03:44,000 | 那就可以做判刑嘛 |
| 00:03:44,000 | 00:03:46,000 | 那就可以交由法官來做審理 |
| 00:03:46,000 | 00:03:48,000 | 然後可能會判刑等等的 |
| 00:03:48,000 | 00:03:50,000 | 那我認為這是一個 |
| 00:03:50,000 | 00:03:52,000 | 在法治國家就是可以做的事情 |
| 00:03:52,000 | 00:03:54,000 | 而且同時能夠遏止住這種歪風 |
| 00:03:54,000 | 00:03:57,000 | 不然我們到時候又要用其他的罪 |
| 00:03:57,000 | 00:03:59,000 | 要去來管理這一些 |
| 00:03:59,000 | 00:04:03,000 | 實質上就已經對我國的這個軍風造成很大的影響 |
| 00:04:03,000 | 00:04:04,000 | 負面的影響 |
| 00:04:04,000 | 00:04:06,000 | 那我們又要找不出相關的法條 |
| 00:04:06,000 | 00:04:10,000 | 那現在這個法條我是對這個非常正面的看待 |
| 00:04:10,000 | 00:04:13,000 | 那回到這個共鐵案件 |
| 00:04:13,000 | 00:04:16,000 | 那目前現役軍人 |
| 00:04:16,000 | 00:04:18,000 | 他如果是或者是退役軍人 |
| 00:04:18,000 | 00:04:21,000 | 接觸到這個現役軍人 |
| 00:04:21,000 | 00:04:25,000 | 或者是說中共目前鎖定的現役及退役軍人 |
| 00:04:25,000 | 00:04:26,000 | 這個部分喔 |
| 00:04:26,000 | 00:04:28,000 | 我想要請教一下 |
| 00:04:28,000 | 00:04:32,000 | 當他們覺得說奇怪有之前的長官 |
| 00:04:32,000 | 00:04:34,000 | 或者是部署來去做接觸 |
| 00:04:34,000 | 00:04:37,000 | 他們是有義務要通報 |
| 00:04:37,000 | 00:04:39,000 | 還是可以不用通報 |
| 00:04:39,000 | 00:04:40,000 | 他只要拒絕就好 |
| 00:04:40,000 | 00:04:42,000 | 這個我必須要簡單的來請教一下 |
| 00:04:42,000 | 00:04:47,000 | 因為這就是跟最近的這個遊品的概念是一樣的 |
| 00:04:47,000 | 00:04:50,000 | 那如果你們去受檢驗的機關 |
| 00:04:50,000 | 00:04:52,000 | 他發覺到說這些遊品是有問題的 |
| 00:04:52,000 | 00:04:53,000 | 那他是要有義務 |
| 00:04:53,000 | 00:04:56,000 | 因為我們在我們的食安相關的法律是有義務 |
| 00:04:56,000 | 00:04:59,000 | 那在軍事相關的部分呢 |
| 00:04:59,000 | 00:05:01,000 | 簡單跟委員回答就是 |
| 00:05:01,000 | 00:05:06,000 | 按照我們110年修班的國軍正義專案的一個實施作業規定 |
| 00:05:06,000 | 00:05:10,000 | 如果說官兵遭受到異常的一個接觸 |
| 00:05:10,000 | 00:05:12,000 | 要依時回報 |
| 00:05:12,000 | 00:05:15,000 | 那如果沒有依時回報跟引力適時的話 |
| 00:05:15,000 | 00:05:17,000 | 我們要依規定來救助 |
| 00:05:17,000 | 00:05:18,000 | 確實有這樣的規則 |
| 00:05:18,000 | 00:05:19,000 | 救責 |
| 00:05:19,000 | 00:05:20,000 | 依規定 |
| 00:05:20,000 | 00:05:22,000 | 所以不是法律而是規定而已 |
| 00:05:22,000 | 00:05:23,000 | 是規定而已 |
| 00:05:23,000 | 00:05:26,000 | 那你們就有相關的修法的需求嗎 |
| 00:05:26,000 | 00:05:27,000 | 我為什麼講這件事情就是說 |
| 00:05:27,000 | 00:05:30,000 | 如果依規定的話當然是有行政上面的懲處 |
| 00:05:30,000 | 00:05:33,000 | 那法律上面的懲處的話就可以有刑事上面 |
| 00:05:33,000 | 00:05:36,000 | 或者是不見得是要到有期徒刑 |
| 00:05:36,000 | 00:05:37,000 | 我們不知道喔 |
| 00:05:37,000 | 00:05:41,000 | 就是說你覺得現在有這個必要性來去針對 |
| 00:05:41,000 | 00:05:44,000 | 不正當或者是異常的接觸指引 |
| 00:05:44,000 | 00:05:45,000 | 那來去做修法 |
| 00:05:45,000 | 00:05:49,000 | 讓他從規定來去上升到法律嗎 |
| 00:05:49,000 | 00:05:50,000 | 可不可以請司長 |
| 00:05:50,000 | 00:05:53,000 | 也可以把一下實務的見解跟我們說一下 |
| 00:05:53,000 | 00:05:54,000 | 跟委員報告喔 |
| 00:05:54,000 | 00:05:57,000 | 那我剛才副部長跟您說明的 |
| 00:05:57,000 | 00:06:00,000 | 有關國軍正義專案實施作業規定 |
| 00:06:00,000 | 00:06:01,000 | 是針對我們現役軍人 |
| 00:06:01,000 | 00:06:05,000 | 如果遭受到可能有一些不當的接觸的話 |
| 00:06:05,000 | 00:06:07,000 | 我們要按照規定要向上回報 |
| 00:06:07,000 | 00:06:08,000 | OK |
| 00:06:08,000 | 00:06:09,000 | 所以沒有法則 |
| 00:06:09,000 | 00:06:11,000 | 這一個對是屬於我們自己的內部管理的規定 |
| 00:06:11,000 | 00:06:14,000 | 那這樣規定就可以足以規範我們現役軍人 |
| 00:06:14,000 | 00:06:15,000 | 有回報的義務 |
| 00:06:15,000 | 00:06:18,000 | 如果你沒有回報事後被我們察覺的話 |
| 00:06:18,000 | 00:06:21,000 | 可以按照陸海空軍懲罰法來加以懲處 |
| 00:06:21,000 | 00:06:23,000 | 那會是什麼樣的懲處 |
| 00:06:23,000 | 00:06:24,000 | 就是行政處分 |
| 00:06:24,000 | 00:06:25,000 | 行政處分 |
| 00:06:25,000 | 00:06:29,000 | 所以我剛才問的是說你認為這樣已經足夠了 |
| 00:06:29,000 | 00:06:31,000 | 你不認為說還要再往上 |
| 00:06:31,000 | 00:06:34,000 | 對 目前為止是 |
| 00:06:34,000 | 00:06:37,000 | 我們認為還不建議提到法律的未接 |
| 00:06:37,000 | 00:06:38,000 | OK |
| 00:06:38,000 | 00:06:39,000 | 因為如果是說提到法律未接 |
| 00:06:39,000 | 00:06:42,000 | 就可能現役軍人涉犯了反滲透法 |
| 00:06:42,000 | 00:06:44,000 | 或者相關其他法律有相關規定 |
| 00:06:44,000 | 00:06:46,000 | 就適用到其他的法律去處理就好 |
| 00:06:46,000 | 00:06:47,000 | 好 那我了解 |
| 00:06:47,000 | 00:06:49,000 | 那反正現在有相關的規定 |
| 00:06:49,000 | 00:06:51,000 | 在軍中也有做宣導 |
| 00:06:51,000 | 00:06:53,000 | 那我們剛才提到的都是現役的軍官 |
| 00:06:53,000 | 00:06:56,000 | 有必須要去義務通報 |
| 00:06:56,000 | 00:06:59,000 | 那我現在問的是退役的軍人的話 |
| 00:06:59,000 | 00:07:00,000 | 那我講一下 |
| 00:07:00,000 | 00:07:03,000 | 退役的軍人他們列館多久 |
| 00:07:03,000 | 00:07:07,000 | 比方說如果是二星三星的將軍 |
| 00:07:07,000 | 00:07:09,000 | 他到退役之後 |
| 00:07:09,000 | 00:07:12,000 | 那也是除役了之後 |
| 00:07:12,000 | 00:07:13,000 | 他還是有在被列館嗎 |
| 00:07:13,000 | 00:07:15,000 | 大概列館的時間是多久 |
| 00:07:15,000 | 00:07:16,000 | 跟我一報告就是 |
| 00:07:16,000 | 00:07:19,000 | 看我們國軍官兵涉密的程度 |
| 00:07:19,000 | 00:07:21,000 | 為一個核定的標準 |
| 00:07:21,000 | 00:07:24,000 | 好 大概最長的話可以到十年嗎 |
| 00:07:24,000 | 00:07:25,000 | 機密三年 |
| 00:07:25,000 | 00:07:27,000 | 機密就可以到三年 對 |
| 00:07:27,000 | 00:07:28,000 | 機密的話是三年 |
| 00:07:28,000 | 00:07:30,000 | 那絕對機密就是比較久 |
| 00:07:30,000 | 00:07:33,000 | 好 那所以說退職的 |
| 00:07:33,000 | 00:07:34,000 | 已經離職的 |
| 00:07:34,000 | 00:07:36,000 | 退職的包含因為避過人員 |
| 00:07:36,000 | 00:07:38,000 | 他退職離職 |
| 00:07:38,000 | 00:07:42,000 | 三年內如果接受到異常的接觸的話 |
| 00:07:42,000 | 00:07:44,000 | 他一樣有義務嗎 |
| 00:07:44,000 | 00:07:45,000 | 跟我一報告 |
| 00:07:45,000 | 00:07:47,000 | 如果是退役人員的話 |
| 00:07:47,000 | 00:07:48,000 | 我們會在他退伍之前 |
| 00:07:48,000 | 00:07:50,000 | 我們都會跟大家做宣導 |
| 00:07:50,000 | 00:07:52,000 | 但是我們自己國軍內部的規定 |
| 00:07:52,000 | 00:07:55,000 | 已經沒有辦法去拘束到退役人員 |
| 00:07:55,000 | 00:07:57,000 | 所以我要講這件事情就是說 |
| 00:07:57,000 | 00:07:59,000 | 第一點他還是涉密人員 |
| 00:07:59,000 | 00:08:03,000 | 他還是一樣他要被規範三年 |
| 00:08:03,000 | 00:08:04,000 | 因為他的這個機密保護 |
| 00:08:04,000 | 00:08:07,000 | 包含限制出境等等是三年 |
| 00:08:07,000 | 00:08:08,000 | 有些是五年我不知道 |
| 00:08:08,000 | 00:08:09,000 | 三年為主 |
| 00:08:09,000 | 00:08:11,000 | 我們就講三年的機密為主 |
| 00:08:11,000 | 00:08:12,000 | 那這三年內 |
| 00:08:12,000 | 00:08:15,000 | 他如果接受到異常的來去做接觸的話 |
| 00:08:15,000 | 00:08:18,000 | 他沒有義務來去通報 |
| 00:08:18,000 | 00:08:19,000 | 那我覺得是不是就可以 |
| 00:08:19,000 | 00:08:21,000 | 相關的規定是不是要做調整 |
| 00:08:21,000 | 00:08:22,000 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:08:22,000 | 00:08:25,000 | 如果是在他期限之內 |
| 00:08:25,000 | 00:08:28,000 | 他有出國有接受到相關人員的態勢 |
| 00:08:28,000 | 00:08:29,000 | 他要回報 |
| 00:08:29,000 | 00:08:31,000 | 但是如果是說超過期限 |
| 00:08:31,000 | 00:08:32,000 | 他就不用回報 |
| 00:08:32,000 | 00:08:33,000 | 那原則上就是說 |
| 00:08:33,000 | 00:08:34,000 | 你剛才也提到說 |
| 00:08:34,000 | 00:08:36,000 | 他沒有相關的職業跟規範 |
| 00:08:36,000 | 00:08:37,000 | 所以我才問說 |
| 00:08:37,000 | 00:08:40,000 | 是不是應該要把相關的規範來納入 |
| 00:08:40,000 | 00:08:42,000 | 或者我不知道用法律的慰藉 |
| 00:08:42,000 | 00:08:43,000 | 還是行政病的慰藉 |
| 00:08:43,000 | 00:08:44,000 | 要怎麼樣去懲處 |
| 00:08:44,000 | 00:08:45,000 | 因為他已經退役了 |
| 00:08:45,000 | 00:08:46,000 | 你要怎麼去懲處 |
| 00:08:46,000 | 00:08:48,000 | 那變成你要用其他的方式去辦理嗎 |
| 00:08:48,000 | 00:08:52,000 | 那如果他的這個他只是涉及 |
| 00:08:52,000 | 00:08:53,000 | 沒有回報 |
| 00:08:53,000 | 00:08:55,000 | 可是對我們來講這個情報就 |
| 00:08:55,000 | 00:08:56,000 | 就等於是斷掉了 |
| 00:08:56,000 | 00:08:57,000 | 這很可惜 |
| 00:08:57,000 | 00:08:59,000 | 那我們就沒有辦法去第一時間 |
| 00:08:59,000 | 00:09:02,000 | 把要滲透的這些單位來去做調整 |
| 00:09:02,000 | 00:09:05,000 | 我是認為可以考慮就是說 |
| 00:09:05,000 | 00:09:08,000 | 這在機密的規範內 |
| 00:09:08,000 | 00:09:09,000 | 不管是三年五年 |
| 00:09:09,000 | 00:09:10,000 | 他涉密層級到機密 |
| 00:09:10,000 | 00:09:12,000 | 跟這個絕對機密等等的 |
| 00:09:12,000 | 00:09:13,000 | 那段時間內 |
| 00:09:13,000 | 00:09:14,000 | 他還是要有義務去規 |
| 00:09:14,000 | 00:09:16,000 | 有義務去回報的 |
| 00:09:16,000 | 00:09:18,000 | 那我講個美方的例子 |
| 00:09:18,000 | 00:09:22,000 | 其實之前美國有一些案例 |
| 00:09:22,000 | 00:09:25,000 | 他是甚至是跟友邦 |
| 00:09:25,000 | 00:09:26,000 | 就是跟我國 |
| 00:09:26,000 | 00:09:28,000 | 他是正常的接觸 |
| 00:09:28,000 | 00:09:29,000 | 正常的接觸 |
| 00:09:29,000 | 00:09:31,000 | 只是正常的接觸 |
| 00:09:31,000 | 00:09:36,000 | 然後我們他交付一個不敏感的文件 |
| 00:09:36,000 | 00:09:38,000 | 就是一般公務文件而已 |
| 00:09:38,000 | 00:09:41,000 | 那一位美方人員是受到 |
| 00:09:41,000 | 00:09:43,000 | 很嚴正的這個調查 |
| 00:09:43,000 | 00:09:46,000 | 那還有就是說 |
| 00:09:46,000 | 00:09:48,000 | 接觸我國官員沒有回報 |
| 00:09:48,000 | 00:09:50,000 | 因為他是接觸我國的官員 |
| 00:09:50,000 | 00:09:51,000 | 但他沒有回報 |
| 00:09:51,000 | 00:09:54,000 | 他已經不是現任的官員 |
| 00:09:54,000 | 00:09:56,000 | 他只是在那個列館的密的 |
| 00:09:56,000 | 00:09:59,000 | 他還是有這個Clearance的概念 |
| 00:09:59,000 | 00:10:00,000 | 他就要接受這樣子 |
| 00:10:00,000 | 00:10:01,000 | 這麼神秘的調查 |
| 00:10:01,000 | 00:10:03,000 | 而且是跟友邦 |
| 00:10:03,000 | 00:10:05,000 | 是很親密的國家的友邦 |
| 00:10:05,000 | 00:10:07,000 | 那我認為我們可能 |
| 00:10:07,000 | 00:10:09,000 | 以我們現在國情的狀況 |
| 00:10:09,000 | 00:10:11,000 | 該調整的還是可以適當調整 |
| 00:10:11,000 | 00:10:12,000 | 不是每一個 |
| 00:10:12,000 | 00:10:13,000 | 我們都要把它嚴刑峻法 |
| 00:10:13,000 | 00:10:14,000 | 說要把它送到監獄 |
| 00:10:14,000 | 00:10:15,000 | 不是這個意思 |
| 00:10:15,000 | 00:10:17,000 | 而是要有相關的法則 |
| 00:10:17,000 | 00:10:20,000 | 我不贊同把所有人都 |
| 00:10:20,000 | 00:10:21,000 | 哪怕是一點點 |
| 00:10:21,000 | 00:10:23,000 | 就要用有期徒刑來去限制 |
| 00:10:23,000 | 00:10:25,000 | 但是是要有相應的法則 |
| 00:10:25,000 | 00:10:26,000 | 至少知道說 |
| 00:10:26,000 | 00:10:27,000 | 我做這件事情 |
| 00:10:27,000 | 00:10:28,000 | 我沒有做這件事情 |
| 00:10:28,000 | 00:10:31,000 | 會有一定的對我的試圖也好 |
| 00:10:31,000 | 00:10:32,000 | 或者是對我未來的 |
| 00:10:32,000 | 00:10:34,000 | 在非政府單位也好 |
| 00:10:34,000 | 00:10:36,000 | 或者是對我自己的金錢也好 |
| 00:10:36,000 | 00:10:38,000 | 會有負面的影響 |
| 00:10:38,000 | 00:10:39,000 | 這樣子他們才會 |
| 00:10:39,000 | 00:10:41,000 | 去調整他們的行為 |
| 00:10:41,000 | 00:10:43,000 | 然後盡快的去回報給政府機關 |
| 00:10:43,000 | 00:10:46,000 | 那這樣對我們得到情報的方式 |
| 00:10:46,000 | 00:10:47,000 | 反情報的方式 |
| 00:10:47,000 | 00:10:49,000 | 反滲透的方式才會有所爭議 |
| 00:10:49,000 | 00:10:50,000 | 我是這樣想的 |
| 00:10:50,000 | 00:10:53,000 | 那希望這個市長可以 |
| 00:10:53,000 | 00:10:56,000 | 簡單的書面回顧你們的 |
| 00:10:56,000 | 00:10:58,000 | 建議的修正方向 |
| 00:10:58,000 | 00:11:00,000 | 或者是這個改正方向 |
| 00:11:00,000 | 00:11:01,000 | 好 謝謝 |
| 00:11:03,000 | 00:11:05,000 | 大概什麼時候可以建議給我們 |
| 00:11:06,000 | 00:11:07,000 | 不用長 |
| 00:11:07,000 | 00:11:09,000 | 我不要很長的文字 |
| 00:11:09,000 | 00:11:10,000 | 我只是要你們建議的 |
| 00:11:10,000 | 00:11:12,000 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:11:12,000 | 00:11:13,000 | 因為這一個部分 |
| 00:11:13,000 | 00:11:15,000 | 所以到特殊關於福島委員 |
| 00:11:15,000 | 00:11:16,000 | 因為國防部目前 |
| 00:11:16,000 | 00:11:17,000 | 最主要是縣議軍的 |
| 00:11:17,000 | 00:11:19,000 | 你們的建議就好了 |
| 00:11:19,000 | 00:11:21,000 | 不過我們再延長 |
| 00:11:21,000 | 00:11:23,000 | 那就還是要給我一個建議 |
| 00:11:23,000 | 00:11:25,000 | 兩個禮拜可以嗎 |
| 00:11:25,000 | 00:11:27,000 | 簡單就好了 |
| 00:11:27,000 | 00:11:29,000 | 簡單的文字給我就好了 |
| 00:11:29,000 | 00:11:33,000 | 好 謝謝陳冠廷委員的詢答 |