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李坤城 @ 第11屆第5會期內政委員會第23次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:02,000 | 好 謝謝主席 |
| 00:00:02,000 | 00:00:05,000 | 那我們請內政部劉部長 |
| 00:00:05,000 | 00:00:07,000 | 駐都中心的花董事長 |
| 00:00:09,000 | 00:00:11,000 | 董事長好 董事長好 |
| 00:00:11,000 | 00:00:15,000 | 現在這個包租代管的這一家寄居蟹 |
| 00:00:15,000 | 00:00:18,000 | 兩手一攤 他說他沒辦法提供服務了 |
| 00:00:18,000 | 00:00:22,000 | 然後他的這個全台灣有6640戶 |
| 00:00:22,000 | 00:00:24,000 | 然後你們給我資料是 |
| 00:00:24,000 | 00:00:27,000 | 新北市就有2677戶 |
| 00:00:27,000 | 00:00:29,000 | 然後當然有包租有代管 |
| 00:00:29,000 | 00:00:32,000 | 然後連同他的另外一家公司造基 |
| 00:00:32,000 | 00:00:37,000 | 造基中央跟地方合起來有15689戶 |
| 00:00:37,000 | 00:00:40,000 | 所以造基加寄居蟹兩個合起來了 |
| 00:00:40,000 | 00:00:41,000 | 哇 數字蠻大的 |
| 00:00:41,000 | 00:00:43,000 | 22329戶 |
| 00:00:43,000 | 00:00:46,000 | 好 那先請教造基我等一下再問 |
| 00:00:46,000 | 00:00:47,000 | 先問寄居蟹 |
| 00:00:47,000 | 00:00:49,000 | 寄居蟹他已經說他沒辦法提供服務了 |
| 00:00:49,000 | 00:00:52,000 | 那請教一下寄居蟹他沒辦法提供服務 |
| 00:00:52,000 | 00:00:56,000 | 那現在這個轉賢的情況怎麼樣 |
| 00:00:57,000 | 00:00:58,000 | 好 謝謝委員關心 |
| 00:00:58,000 | 00:01:00,000 | 其實所謂寄居蟹沒辦法提供服務 |
| 00:01:00,000 | 00:01:02,000 | 並不是說他現在已經完全什麼都不做了 |
| 00:01:02,000 | 00:01:04,000 | 因為他們員工現在都還在 |
| 00:01:04,000 | 00:01:08,000 | 所以說他們會全力協助轉賢這件事情 |
| 00:01:08,000 | 00:01:11,000 | 基本上這個事情我們還有一定的支持 |
| 00:01:11,000 | 00:01:16,000 | 那轉賢的事情我們已經從昨天開始啟動 |
| 00:01:16,000 | 00:01:19,000 | 那到現在為止大概已經處理了 |
| 00:01:19,000 | 00:01:20,000 | 就是寄居蟹的部分 |
| 00:01:20,000 | 00:01:23,000 | 已經有超過400戶 |
| 00:01:23,000 | 00:01:25,000 | 已經跟房東銜接上 |
| 00:01:25,000 | 00:01:27,000 | 那開始處理他轉到其他 |
| 00:01:27,000 | 00:01:29,000 | 你說新的這個公司跟 |
| 00:01:29,000 | 00:01:34,000 | 他轉賢就是把寄居蟹的6600個案件 |
| 00:01:34,000 | 00:01:37,000 | 轉給六都的其他正在做 |
| 00:01:37,000 | 00:01:39,000 | 社宅包租代管的其他的業者 |
| 00:01:39,000 | 00:01:41,000 | 他們自己去找就對了 |
| 00:01:41,000 | 00:01:45,000 | 我們通過平台讓房東主動表達 |
| 00:01:45,000 | 00:01:48,000 | 他希望哪一家業者來銜接他 |
| 00:01:48,000 | 00:01:51,000 | 如果他沒有熟悉的業者 |
| 00:01:51,000 | 00:01:54,000 | 那我們會依照業者的名單排序去輪動 |
| 00:01:54,000 | 00:01:56,000 | 第一個來就先找第一家 |
| 00:01:56,000 | 00:01:59,000 | 第二個來就找第二家來平均分散 |
| 00:01:59,000 | 00:02:03,000 | 那到目前為止已經有超過400個案子 |
| 00:02:03,000 | 00:02:05,000 | 已經開始銜接了 |
| 00:02:05,000 | 00:02:06,000 | 可是還有6000多戶 |
| 00:02:06,000 | 00:02:08,000 | 對所以說我們昨天才開始 |
| 00:02:08,000 | 00:02:10,000 | 那你預計多久時間 |
| 00:02:10,000 | 00:02:12,000 | 可以轉賢完這6000多戶 |
| 00:02:12,000 | 00:02:16,000 | 我覺得應該一個月之內可以處理完成 |
| 00:02:16,000 | 00:02:18,000 | 一個月之內可以處理完成 |
| 00:02:18,000 | 00:02:22,000 | 因為這個轉賢包含了這個租金跟押金的問題 |
| 00:02:22,000 | 00:02:25,000 | 所以就是說現在大家比較擔心 |
| 00:02:25,000 | 00:02:28,000 | 好啦我如果是這個房東的話 |
| 00:02:28,000 | 00:02:29,000 | 或是我是房客 |
| 00:02:29,000 | 00:02:31,000 | 因為他有包租有代管 |
| 00:02:31,000 | 00:02:33,000 | 那這個租金的問題怎麼辦 |
| 00:02:33,000 | 00:02:34,000 | 我已經付出去的租金怎麼辦 |
| 00:02:34,000 | 00:02:36,000 | 我已經付出去的押金怎麼辦 |
| 00:02:36,000 | 00:02:39,000 | 然後這些也都會轉給新界的公司嗎 |
| 00:02:39,000 | 00:02:41,000 | 其實代管比較單純 |
| 00:02:41,000 | 00:02:43,000 | 因為代管的租金本來就付給房東了 |
| 00:02:43,000 | 00:02:45,000 | 所以只是服務的部分 |
| 00:02:45,000 | 00:02:46,000 | 包租比較 |
| 00:02:46,000 | 00:02:48,000 | 包租稍微複雜一點 |
| 00:02:48,000 | 00:02:53,000 | 因為業者還是要按時間付房租給原房東 |
| 00:02:53,000 | 00:02:55,000 | 他在向房客收房租 |
| 00:02:55,000 | 00:02:57,000 | 所以說這個部分就會 |
| 00:02:57,000 | 00:02:58,000 | 我剛講 |
| 00:02:58,000 | 00:03:01,000 | GQ協的員工就會協助在這些案子 |
| 00:03:01,000 | 00:03:03,000 | 跟未來要新銜接的業者 |
| 00:03:03,000 | 00:03:08,000 | 來做彼此之間的該怎麼樣結算的動作 |
| 00:03:08,000 | 00:03:10,000 | 其實最大問題就在這邊 |
| 00:03:10,000 | 00:03:12,000 | 就是說換了業者 |
| 00:03:12,000 | 00:03:15,000 | 那租約租金押金該怎麼辦 |
| 00:03:15,000 | 00:03:17,000 | 押金比較單純 |
| 00:03:17,000 | 00:03:21,000 | 因為原來GQ協付給原房東的押金 |
| 00:03:21,000 | 00:03:24,000 | 也就等於他跟房客收的押金 |
| 00:03:24,000 | 00:03:29,000 | 所以說當房東和房客都轉到新的業者底下 |
| 00:03:29,000 | 00:03:32,000 | 其實只要把這些押金的關係同步銜接 |
| 00:03:32,000 | 00:03:34,000 | 大家簽好彼此的契約 |
| 00:03:34,000 | 00:03:36,000 | 結束之前的契約 |
| 00:03:36,000 | 00:03:37,000 | 跟GQ協的契約 |
| 00:03:37,000 | 00:03:39,000 | 那個押金就過去了 |
| 00:03:39,000 | 00:03:43,000 | 那租金的部分就是看他什麼時候開始起租 |
| 00:03:43,000 | 00:03:46,000 | 那只是把那個租期搭在 |
| 00:03:46,000 | 00:03:50,000 | 因為我們對於租約是從照原契約銜接 |
| 00:03:50,000 | 00:03:52,000 | 不可以調漲租金 |
| 00:03:52,000 | 00:03:55,000 | 而且不要再去更動契約 |
| 00:03:55,000 | 00:03:59,000 | 所以說實質上他是在相對變動最小的情況下 |
| 00:03:59,000 | 00:04:01,000 | 在做這個移動 |
| 00:04:01,000 | 00:04:04,000 | 那這幾天讓我們把理論的實務操作好 |
| 00:04:04,000 | 00:04:07,000 | 一個月的時間6000多戶你認為可以轉賢成功就對了 |
| 00:04:07,000 | 00:04:09,000 | 我不敢講百分之百 |
| 00:04:09,000 | 00:04:10,000 | 我不敢講百分之百 |
| 00:04:10,000 | 00:04:11,000 | 我不敢講百分之百 |
| 00:04:11,000 | 00:04:14,000 | 因為有些房東他可能有自己的想法說 |
| 00:04:14,000 | 00:04:16,000 | 那他要退出社宅拉租貸款等等 |
| 00:04:16,000 | 00:04:18,000 | 那我們都會尊重 |
| 00:04:18,000 | 00:04:19,000 | 那我們都會尊重 |
| 00:04:19,000 | 00:04:20,000 | 那我就請教部長 |
| 00:04:20,000 | 00:04:24,000 | 那所以政府能不能向房東房客保證 |
| 00:04:24,000 | 00:04:25,000 | 租金不會中斷 |
| 00:04:25,000 | 00:04:27,000 | 租約也不會中斷 |
| 00:04:27,000 | 00:04:28,000 | 押金也會拿得回來 |
| 00:04:28,000 | 00:04:31,000 | 報告委員我們現在跟各個 |
| 00:04:31,000 | 00:04:34,000 | 尤其是六都的縣市政府就是有這樣的共識 |
| 00:04:34,000 | 00:04:35,000 | 我們已經有提到 |
| 00:04:35,000 | 00:04:38,000 | 就是房東跟房客的權益 |
| 00:04:38,000 | 00:04:40,000 | 不會受到影響 |
| 00:04:40,000 | 00:04:41,000 | 這已經有提出這樣的保證 |
| 00:04:41,000 | 00:04:44,000 | 所以才會六都的這個租服工會 |
| 00:04:44,000 | 00:04:46,000 | 願意介入所謂的轉賢機制裡面 |
| 00:04:46,000 | 00:04:49,000 | 那這個租租中心都在積極的協助當中 |
| 00:04:49,000 | 00:04:53,000 | 因為今天民眾不論你是房東還是房客 |
| 00:04:53,000 | 00:04:55,000 | 他參加這個包租貸款 |
| 00:04:55,000 | 00:04:57,000 | 他不是只有相信這個業者 |
| 00:04:57,000 | 00:04:58,000 | 其實是相信政府 |
| 00:04:58,000 | 00:04:58,500 | 是 |
| 00:04:58,500 | 00:04:59,000 | 他是相信政府 |
| 00:04:59,000 | 00:05:01,000 | 因為政府在推這個政策 |
| 00:05:01,000 | 00:05:06,000 | 那所以剛剛部長的答復至少讓這個房東房客有這個信心嘛 |
| 00:05:06,000 | 00:05:10,000 | 就是說這個會按照這個出事之前的這個情況 |
| 00:05:10,000 | 00:05:12,000 | 權力義務不會改變就對了 |
| 00:05:12,000 | 00:05:15,000 | 是的而且我們也公佈這個六都的這個服務窗口 |
| 00:05:15,000 | 00:05:17,000 | 如果有任何公務部門 |
| 00:05:17,000 | 00:05:21,000 | 不是這個租金補貼的這個租服工會 |
| 00:05:21,000 | 00:05:24,000 | 這個工會的那個電話號碼跟單一窗口都有 |
| 00:05:24,000 | 00:05:27,000 | 如果他們任何諮詢方面的問題都會打來問 |
| 00:05:27,000 | 00:05:30,000 | 那目前為止大概來問的這個情況 |
| 00:05:30,000 | 00:05:33,000 | 沒有外界所想像當中那麼的多 |
| 00:05:33,000 | 00:05:37,000 | 也就是他們了解裡面的房東房客的權益沒有受到影響之後 |
| 00:05:37,000 | 00:05:38,000 | 大概就比較好 |
| 00:05:38,000 | 00:05:39,000 | 好 |
| 00:05:39,000 | 00:05:40,000 | 那這個是寄居縣 |
| 00:05:40,000 | 00:05:42,000 | 那我現在問一下造機 |
| 00:05:42,000 | 00:05:44,000 | 造機是算是未爆彈喔 |
| 00:05:44,000 | 00:05:47,000 | 你們有沒有去了解一下造機的這個情況怎麼樣 |
| 00:05:47,000 | 00:05:49,000 | 因為造機為什麼說是未爆彈 |
| 00:05:49,000 | 00:05:55,000 | 因為本來董事長已經現在已經被這個應該被壓起來了嘛 |
| 00:05:55,000 | 00:06:00,000 | 然後呢這個本來還有這個宏基的這個人員要進去 |
| 00:06:00,000 | 00:06:03,000 | 然後結果呢宏基的人呢發現說裡面有問題之後 |
| 00:06:03,000 | 00:06:05,000 | 兩天就辭掉了 |
| 00:06:05,000 | 00:06:08,000 | 表示他知道說造機有問題啊 |
| 00:06:08,000 | 00:06:10,000 | 那所以你們有沒有去了解造機的問題所在 |
| 00:06:10,000 | 00:06:12,000 | 因為我很擔心它成為一個未爆彈 |
| 00:06:12,000 | 00:06:14,000 | 而且它的量更大 |
| 00:06:14,000 | 00:06:15,000 | 跟我們報告喔 |
| 00:06:15,000 | 00:06:21,000 | 當造機的第一任銜接的董事長是王靖祥先生 |
| 00:06:21,000 | 00:06:22,000 | 他是原董事 |
| 00:06:22,000 | 00:06:27,000 | 到後來是宏基派任的李文祥董事長是第二任董事 |
| 00:06:27,000 | 00:06:30,000 | 到前天他們的董事會 |
| 00:06:30,000 | 00:06:34,000 | 臨時董事會又指派了王貴珍總經理代理總經理 |
| 00:06:34,000 | 00:06:39,000 | 其實這兩位董事長跟總經理的一上任的第一天 |
| 00:06:39,000 | 00:06:41,000 | 我就立刻約詢他們 |
| 00:06:41,000 | 00:06:44,000 | 詳細了解他們所掌握的狀況 |
| 00:06:44,000 | 00:06:49,000 | 然後接著我每天他們再任幾天我就是每天都跟他們保持 |
| 00:06:49,000 | 00:06:52,000 | 所以他們發現問題很大所以跑掉了 |
| 00:06:52,000 | 00:06:56,000 | 然後呢董事長是這邊有了解問題所在嗎 |
| 00:06:56,000 | 00:07:01,000 | 其實我這些部分大家也在媒體上都看到 |
| 00:07:01,000 | 00:07:07,000 | 例如說在前天造機的帳戶可能被銀行變成警示帳戶 |
| 00:07:07,000 | 00:07:10,000 | 那當然我就會再繼續追問他們怎麼處理 |
| 00:07:10,000 | 00:07:15,000 | 那現在我們在昨天的下午他們已經把警示帳戶的問題解決 |
| 00:07:15,000 | 00:07:17,000 | 所以現在帳戶已經不是警示帳戶了 |
| 00:07:17,000 | 00:07:19,000 | 它現在是執行缺口的問題啊 |
| 00:07:19,000 | 00:07:24,000 | 對 今天我的了解他們今天正要跟銀行團談這個資金 |
| 00:07:24,000 | 00:07:29,000 | 現在他們的負債跟他們的帳戶之間怎麼樣把融資 |
| 00:07:29,000 | 00:07:32,000 | 原來融資的銀行是不是還同意繼續融資給他 |
| 00:07:32,000 | 00:07:35,000 | 還是由其他銀行來銜接新的融資 |
| 00:07:35,000 | 00:07:36,000 | 今天正在談 |
| 00:07:36,000 | 00:07:39,000 | 所以今天如果談出一個結果 |
| 00:07:39,000 | 00:07:42,000 | 當然我們都會第一時間馬上了解狀況如何 |
| 00:07:42,000 | 00:07:44,000 | 那他們也會對外說明 |
| 00:07:44,000 | 00:07:47,000 | 因為昨天我跟他們的新的代理總經理講 |
| 00:07:47,000 | 00:07:49,000 | 好那我簡單問董事長好了 |
| 00:07:49,000 | 00:07:52,000 | 那你看起來你很了解這個造機的情況 |
| 00:07:52,000 | 00:07:55,000 | 我真的了解太多的債務的問題 |
| 00:07:55,000 | 00:07:59,000 | 但是公司現在運作的我們當然一定要充分掌握 |
| 00:07:59,000 | 00:08:04,000 | 那所以你能保證說造機不會成為下一個寄居線嗎 |
| 00:08:04,000 | 00:08:06,000 | 我沒有辦法保證其實 |
| 00:08:06,000 | 00:08:08,000 | 哇 你沒辦法保證大家就投很大啦 |
| 00:08:08,000 | 00:08:14,000 | 連所有的造機的現在的營運團隊 |
| 00:08:14,000 | 00:08:17,000 | 其實大家都沒有辦法說我百分之百 |
| 00:08:17,000 | 00:08:19,000 | 但是大家都在努力的 |
| 00:08:19,000 | 00:08:22,000 | 那你有沒有想一個最壞的打算 |
| 00:08:22,000 | 00:08:24,000 | 如果造機也跟寄居線一樣兩手一帶 |
| 00:08:24,000 | 00:08:26,000 | 我沒有權力去保證 |
| 00:08:26,000 | 00:08:28,000 | 我保證是虛的是假的 |
| 00:08:28,000 | 00:08:31,000 | 所以你今天是在負責這一塊 |
| 00:08:31,000 | 00:08:34,000 | 所以我不希望說就像跟寄居線一樣 |
| 00:08:34,000 | 00:08:36,000 | 那未來我們政府就是擦屁股 |
| 00:08:36,000 | 00:08:38,000 | 這應該防範未來於先嘛 |
| 00:08:38,000 | 00:08:40,000 | 就是說你現在也知道他有問題了 |
| 00:08:40,000 | 00:08:42,000 | 那你採取什麼樣的手段 |
| 00:08:42,000 | 00:08:44,000 | 讓他這個問題不要發生 |
| 00:08:44,000 | 00:08:45,000 | 這才是我們現在要做的 |
| 00:08:45,000 | 00:08:48,000 | 所以我們現在對寄居線的這些轉型處理的機制 |
| 00:08:48,000 | 00:08:53,000 | 一旦我們發現造機假設他真的不穩步了 |
| 00:08:53,000 | 00:08:56,000 | 我們就開始啟動造機的專案的轉型 |
| 00:08:56,000 | 00:09:00,000 | 他們這些案子我們跟六都地方政府就來啟動 |
| 00:09:00,000 | 00:09:04,000 | 讓這些反動反客的權益仍然不能受損 |
| 00:09:04,000 | 00:09:06,000 | 那現在我們也對於 |
| 00:09:06,000 | 00:09:10,000 | 我唯一就是說能不能防範造機成為下個機器 |
| 00:09:10,000 | 00:09:11,000 | 這比較有用嘛 |
| 00:09:11,000 | 00:09:14,000 | 如果就像寄居線這樣說我倒了 |
| 00:09:14,000 | 00:09:17,000 | 然後兩手一帶就要政府來擦屁股 |
| 00:09:17,000 | 00:09:19,000 | 補充 |
| 00:09:19,000 | 00:09:21,000 | 委員我來這樣回應好了 |
| 00:09:21,000 | 00:09:23,000 | 造機也好寄居線也好 |
| 00:09:23,000 | 00:09:26,000 | 他們的負責人因為金流自己出了狀況 |
| 00:09:26,000 | 00:09:28,000 | 該抓去關就抓去關 |
| 00:09:28,000 | 00:09:30,000 | 我們完全尊重 |
| 00:09:30,000 | 00:09:34,000 | 但是因為他是社宅的包租代管的公司 |
| 00:09:34,000 | 00:09:36,000 | 所以站在內政部的立場 |
| 00:09:36,000 | 00:09:41,000 | 我們會要確保房東跟房客的權益沒有受改變 |
| 00:09:41,000 | 00:09:43,000 | 也就是說房客繼續住在原地方 |
| 00:09:43,000 | 00:09:45,000 | 房東還是繼續收房租 |
| 00:09:45,000 | 00:09:47,000 | 然後應該有的服務還是要照常 |
| 00:09:47,000 | 00:09:51,000 | 所以這些我們都有跟寄居線還有這個 |
| 00:09:51,000 | 00:09:56,000 | 造機裡面相關的人員做好比較好的溝通 |
| 00:09:56,000 | 00:09:59,000 | 更何況您所擔心的造機的部分是 |
| 00:09:59,000 | 00:10:03,000 | 地方政府跟中央政府剛好一個人一半 |
| 00:10:03,000 | 00:10:05,000 | 一個是7000多戶一個是8000多戶 |
| 00:10:05,000 | 00:10:07,000 | 所以我剛有特別提到 |
| 00:10:07,000 | 00:10:10,000 | 我非常謝謝縣市政府願意跟我們站在一起 |
| 00:10:10,000 | 00:10:13,000 | 就是確保房東房客的權益不受改變 |
| 00:10:13,000 | 00:10:17,000 | 所以這是屬於公共服務上面的不打折 |
| 00:10:17,000 | 00:10:18,000 | 這我們做得到 |
| 00:10:18,000 | 00:10:22,000 | 但是如果造機公司跟寄居線公司 |
| 00:10:22,000 | 00:10:24,000 | 他們自己違反了公司法 |
| 00:10:24,000 | 00:10:26,000 | 或是金融銀行業的管理條例的話 |
| 00:10:26,000 | 00:10:32,000 | 他們就應該去接受司法檢查跟偵查 |
| 00:10:32,000 | 00:10:34,000 | 這是我們都完全尊重的 |
| 00:10:34,000 | 00:10:38,000 | 所以我們把它做比較好的分庭處理的時候 |
| 00:10:38,000 | 00:10:40,000 | 在過去三四天以來 |
| 00:10:40,000 | 00:10:42,000 | 我們都是按照這樣的方向在處理 |
| 00:10:42,000 | 00:10:43,000 | 沒有改變 |
| 00:10:43,000 | 00:10:45,000 | 那您擔心的就是說萬一造機也倒了 |
| 00:10:45,000 | 00:10:47,000 | 造機倒是怎麼一回事 |
| 00:10:47,000 | 00:10:51,000 | 第一個下面公司的人不願意跟大家一起 |
| 00:10:51,000 | 00:10:55,000 | 把造機所服務的這些15000多個服務對象一起服務 |
| 00:10:55,000 | 00:10:58,000 | 但是就我們所了解他們仍然願意服務 |
| 00:10:58,000 | 00:11:00,000 | 既然他們願意服務的話 |
| 00:11:00,000 | 00:11:02,000 | 不管他們的新的經營團隊 |
| 00:11:02,000 | 00:11:05,000 | 他第一個要去回答銀行團隊他們的質疑 |
| 00:11:05,000 | 00:11:09,000 | 他要去回答他們金流是否有失控的問題 |
| 00:11:09,000 | 00:11:12,000 | 但是他們的經營團隊要跟我們內政部 |
| 00:11:12,000 | 00:11:15,000 | 跟住住中心保證你下面的客戶 |
| 00:11:15,000 | 00:11:18,000 | 不管是房東的客戶或房客的客戶 |
| 00:11:18,000 | 00:11:20,000 | 他的權益不受打折跟受改變 |
| 00:11:20,000 | 00:11:24,000 | 目前為止我們知道是沒有這方面的一個問題 |
| 00:11:24,000 | 00:11:26,000 | 那我剛也跟委員回答到說 |
| 00:11:26,000 | 00:11:28,000 | 如果他確實有問題的話 |
| 00:11:28,000 | 00:11:30,000 | 我們第四期應該撥付給他的款項 |
| 00:11:30,000 | 00:11:32,000 | 我們就會終止 |
| 00:11:32,000 | 00:11:34,000 | 主席我在問最後一個問題 |
| 00:11:34,000 | 00:11:36,000 | 現在住住中心裡面認為說 |
| 00:11:36,000 | 00:11:40,000 | 未來單一業者承作比例要去檢討 |
| 00:11:40,000 | 00:11:43,000 | 就是說是不是我們對於這個單一業者 |
| 00:11:43,000 | 00:11:44,000 | 他的承作的上限 |
| 00:11:44,000 | 00:11:47,000 | 還有他關係企業能夠合併計算 |
| 00:11:47,000 | 00:11:50,000 | 不然讓公司拆成這個不同的法案之後 |
| 00:11:50,000 | 00:11:52,000 | 然後規避集中管理這方面 |
| 00:11:52,000 | 00:11:56,000 | 這部分我們會跟內政部國土署跟地政司還有公會 |
| 00:11:56,000 | 00:12:00,000 | 大家再來協商怎麼樣的操作會是比較穩定 |
| 00:12:00,000 | 00:12:04,000 | 一方面也能夠激勵業者努力的推案子 |
| 00:12:04,000 | 00:12:07,000 | 一方面要能夠確保產業的穩定 |
| 00:12:07,000 | 00:12:09,000 | 這部分我們在討論之後 |
| 00:12:09,000 | 00:12:11,000 | 再來跟委員做說明好嗎 |
| 00:12:11,000 | 00:12:14,000 | 好啊 那你們像這個造金或是說寄居蟹 |
| 00:12:14,000 | 00:12:19,000 | 你們過去有沒有去查他們的財務的狀況 |
| 00:12:19,000 | 00:12:22,000 | 我們沒有權利去查他公司的財務 |
| 00:12:22,000 | 00:12:27,000 | 我們都會針對他們業務的推動狀況 |
| 00:12:27,000 | 00:12:29,000 | 支付房東該付的房租 |
| 00:12:29,000 | 00:12:33,000 | 有沒有該付給房客的一些修繕補助費 |
| 00:12:33,000 | 00:12:35,000 | 我們當然都有完全的掌握 |
| 00:12:35,000 | 00:12:36,000 | 這個都沒有問題 |
| 00:12:36,000 | 00:12:38,000 | 那所以像這個造金跟寄居蟹 |
| 00:12:38,000 | 00:12:40,000 | 他們類似這個吸金的這個問題 |
| 00:12:40,000 | 00:12:42,000 | 你們是哪時候才知道的 |
| 00:12:42,000 | 00:12:46,000 | 其實當然發公司在約略 |
| 00:12:46,000 | 00:12:48,000 | 當然有聽到大家外面有在說 |
| 00:12:48,000 | 00:12:51,000 | 但是問題是如此的複雜 |
| 00:12:51,000 | 00:12:53,000 | 這個我們完全意料之外 |
| 00:12:53,000 | 00:12:54,000 | 這個也要注意喔 |
| 00:12:54,000 | 00:12:56,000 | 這個就是說當然不是只有內政部 |
| 00:12:56,000 | 00:13:00,000 | 我想可能連財政部金管會都要一起來協助 |
| 00:13:00,000 | 00:13:03,000 | 把這個東西當作一個教材 |
| 00:13:03,000 | 00:13:05,000 | 如何防範說未來有這種公司 |
| 00:13:05,000 | 00:13:07,000 | 因為他就是說反正我跟房東都很熟 |
| 00:13:07,000 | 00:13:08,000 | 我都有名單 |
| 00:13:08,000 | 00:13:09,000 | 然後就是類似這種 |
| 00:13:09,000 | 00:13:11,000 | 讓高利息吸引大家進來 |
| 00:13:11,000 | 00:13:12,000 | 結果他就跑掉了 |
| 00:13:12,000 | 00:13:14,000 | 這是類似吸金的一個情況 |
| 00:13:14,000 | 00:13:16,000 | 我覺得這個案例要去避免 |
| 00:13:16,000 | 00:13:19,000 | 如何跟我剛才講的相關的部會去做合作 |
| 00:13:19,000 | 00:13:20,000 | 你可能沒有去查 |
| 00:13:20,000 | 00:13:22,000 | 你內政部沒辦法去查 |
| 00:13:22,000 | 00:13:24,000 | 他內部的財務狀況 |
| 00:13:24,000 | 00:13:26,000 | 但是其他部會可以啊 |
| 00:13:26,000 | 00:13:27,000 | 好不好 |
| 00:13:27,000 | 00:13:28,000 | 部長 |
| 00:13:29,000 | 00:13:31,000 | 部長最後 |
| 00:13:31,000 | 00:13:32,000 | 委員我們這個部分 |
| 00:13:32,000 | 00:13:36,000 | 在跟各地縣市政府在開會的過程當中 |
| 00:13:36,000 | 00:13:40,000 | 也有請經濟部還有請金管會來練習 |
| 00:13:40,000 | 00:13:42,000 | 告訴縣市地方政府 |
| 00:13:42,000 | 00:13:44,000 | 我們應該有的權益保障在哪裡 |
| 00:13:44,000 | 00:13:46,000 | 所以他們大概都了解這個狀況 |
| 00:13:46,000 | 00:13:47,000 | 好謝謝 |
| 00:13:47,000 | 00:13:49,000 | 謝謝部長 董事長 謝謝主席 |