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張宏陸 @ 第11屆第5會期內政委員會第23次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:05,360 | 我先請部長 |
| 00:00:05,360 | 00:00:12,680 | 中委員 |
| 00:00:12,680 | 00:00:17,440 | 部長 就剛剛像召集的這個事情 |
| 00:00:17,440 | 00:00:23,680 | 其實除了這個包租代管是我們政府在推 |
| 00:00:23,680 | 00:00:26,880 | 然後現在其實現在運行的也算不錯 |
| 00:00:27,040 | 00:00:31,360 | 那部長 像這個案子 |
| 00:00:31,360 | 00:00:33,360 | 未來有沒有可能 |
| 00:00:33,360 | 00:00:35,600 | 像我們旅行業者 |
| 00:00:35,600 | 00:00:38,560 | 這個旅行業者有平保協會有什麼 |
| 00:00:38,560 | 00:00:42,560 | 如果這些旅行業者出了問題或什麼 |
| 00:00:42,560 | 00:00:45,519 | 其他旅行社的業者 |
| 00:00:45,519 | 00:00:51,040 | 他可以馬上出面承接這個業務 |
| 00:00:51,040 | 00:00:55,040 | 才不會造成消費者的損失 |
| 00:00:55,199 | 00:00:58,400 | 那我們可不可以朝這個方向來做 |
| 00:00:58,400 | 00:01:00,400 | 謝謝委員的指教 |
| 00:01:00,400 | 00:01:02,400 | 我想委員提出的是非常好的建議 |
| 00:01:02,400 | 00:01:04,400 | 就是由這次的案件裡面 |
| 00:01:04,400 | 00:01:06,400 | 我們發現到說 |
| 00:01:06,400 | 00:01:08,400 | 第一個包租代管業者 |
| 00:01:08,400 | 00:01:10,400 | 在我們的租賃條例裡面 |
| 00:01:10,400 | 00:01:12,400 | 他確實是租賃服務業 |
| 00:01:12,400 | 00:01:14,400 | 那這個租賃服務業我們以前在訂定的時候 |
| 00:01:14,400 | 00:01:16,400 | 並沒有把這個所謂的防避措施 |
| 00:01:16,400 | 00:01:18,400 | 把它提供出來 |
| 00:01:18,400 | 00:01:20,400 | 那由這次的案件當中 |
| 00:01:20,400 | 00:01:22,400 | 我們會從這個地方來檢討 |
| 00:01:22,400 | 00:01:24,400 | 那剛剛張委員有特別提到說 |
| 00:01:24,400 | 00:01:26,400 | 讓旅行業者這個平保機制 |
| 00:01:26,400 | 00:01:28,400 | 共同來承擔 |
| 00:01:28,400 | 00:01:30,400 | 出現包租代管業者 |
| 00:01:30,400 | 00:01:34,400 | 對消費者之間的一些若干權益上的損失的話 |
| 00:01:34,400 | 00:01:36,400 | 我們可以朝這個努力的方向來處理 |
| 00:01:36,400 | 00:01:38,400 | 那另外我們這個地政司 |
| 00:01:38,400 | 00:01:40,400 | 也可以跟這個租約的接續 |
| 00:01:40,400 | 00:01:42,400 | 或者是業者的退場機制 |
| 00:01:42,400 | 00:01:44,400 | 也可以訂定相關的處理機制 |
| 00:01:44,400 | 00:01:50,400 | 反正這個方向部長也認同嘛 |
| 00:01:50,400 | 00:01:52,400 | 那未來我們就可以大聲的 |
| 00:01:52,400 | 00:01:54,400 | 跟全國的人民講 |
| 00:01:54,400 | 00:01:56,400 | 只要你是包租代管 |
| 00:01:56,400 | 00:02:00,400 | 其實講法令大家不一定聽得懂 |
| 00:02:00,400 | 00:02:02,400 | 但是就是像旅行社平保協會這樣 |
| 00:02:02,400 | 00:02:04,400 | 你也不用擔心 |
| 00:02:04,400 | 00:02:06,400 | 對不對 因為講句比較簡單的喔 |
| 00:02:06,400 | 00:02:08,400 | 房子在那邊 |
| 00:02:08,400 | 00:02:10,400 | 房東也在那邊 |
| 00:02:10,400 | 00:02:12,400 | 租客也在那邊 |
| 00:02:12,400 | 00:02:14,400 | 就是中間這個橋樑 |
| 00:02:14,400 | 00:02:16,400 | 有獲得保障而已 |
| 00:02:16,400 | 00:02:18,400 | 這一個風險 |
| 00:02:18,400 | 00:02:20,400 | 比這個旅行社的業者 |
| 00:02:20,400 | 00:02:22,400 | 有的要直接拿錢出來 |
| 00:02:22,400 | 00:02:24,400 | 其實這個還比較 |
| 00:02:24,400 | 00:02:28,400 | 我個人認為手續複雜而已 |
| 00:02:28,400 | 00:02:30,400 | 但金錢的損失 |
| 00:02:30,400 | 00:02:32,400 | 還不如這個旅行社業者的損失大喔 |
| 00:02:32,400 | 00:02:34,400 | 所以我覺得 |
| 00:02:34,400 | 00:02:36,400 | 如果是可以朝這樣 |
| 00:02:36,400 | 00:02:38,400 | 我們就可以大聲講 |
| 00:02:38,400 | 00:02:40,400 | 然後讓未來這個包租代管 |
| 00:02:40,400 | 00:02:42,400 | 房東也放心 |
| 00:02:42,400 | 00:02:44,400 | 租客也放心 |
| 00:02:44,400 | 00:02:46,400 | 對不對 部長 是不是這樣 |
| 00:02:46,400 | 00:02:48,400 | 謝謝 那未來不管是說 |
| 00:02:48,400 | 00:02:50,400 | 政策上面或者是自助的建立 |
| 00:02:50,400 | 00:02:54,400 | 我們會朝著委員所提供的方向來努力 |
| 00:02:54,400 | 00:02:56,400 | 好 那另外 |
| 00:02:56,400 | 00:02:58,400 | 這個部長 |
| 00:02:58,400 | 00:03:00,400 | 租金補貼 |
| 00:03:00,400 | 00:03:02,400 | 我們這個違建戶這一個部分 |
| 00:03:02,400 | 00:03:04,400 | 未來 |
| 00:03:04,400 | 00:03:06,400 | 這個寬限期 |
| 00:03:06,400 | 00:03:08,400 | 是到年底 |
| 00:03:08,400 | 00:03:10,400 | 我不知道我們現在處理的怎麼樣 |
| 00:03:10,400 | 00:03:12,400 | 尤其委員所 |
| 00:03:12,400 | 00:03:14,400 | 關心的 |
| 00:03:14,400 | 00:03:16,400 | 類似頂加這樣的部分 |
| 00:03:16,400 | 00:03:18,400 | 我是請這個 |
| 00:03:18,400 | 00:03:20,400 | 國土署跟委員來做一下 |
| 00:03:20,400 | 00:03:22,400 | 簡單的數據上 |
| 00:03:22,400 | 00:03:24,400 | 不要啦 就說有什麼處理就好了啦 |
| 00:03:24,400 | 00:03:26,400 | 跟委員報告 我們這個目前寬限期 |
| 00:03:26,400 | 00:03:28,400 | 到今年底 |
| 00:03:28,400 | 00:03:30,400 | 那因為有一些要 |
| 00:03:30,400 | 00:03:32,400 | 一些社會單位去關懷的地方政府去關懷 |
| 00:03:32,400 | 00:03:34,400 | 目前還在持續 |
| 00:03:34,400 | 00:03:36,400 | 那但是我們接到地方政府的一些反應 |
| 00:03:36,400 | 00:03:38,400 | 他是希望有些還是需要 |
| 00:03:38,400 | 00:03:40,400 | 再繼續去幫忙 |
| 00:03:40,400 | 00:03:42,400 | 他們是希望到明年底 |
| 00:03:42,400 | 00:03:44,400 | 所以我們目前也在研議中 |
| 00:03:44,400 | 00:03:46,400 | 我們還沒有簽到部長那邊 |
| 00:03:46,400 | 00:03:48,400 | 我們有在研議中 |
| 00:03:48,400 | 00:03:50,400 | 我記得我之前 |
| 00:03:50,400 | 00:03:52,400 | 就有說過這個問題 |
| 00:03:52,400 | 00:03:54,400 | 我也支持 |
| 00:03:54,400 | 00:03:56,400 | 但很多鄉下地方 |
| 00:03:56,400 | 00:03:58,400 | 尤其是偏鄉 |
| 00:03:58,400 | 00:04:02,400 | 你要叫他現在去找一個合法的地方 |
| 00:04:02,400 | 00:04:04,400 | 他可能找不到喔 |
| 00:04:04,400 | 00:04:06,400 | 鄉下都是 |
| 00:04:06,400 | 00:04:08,400 | 有的房子可能 |
| 00:04:08,400 | 00:04:10,400 | 也比這個政府 |
| 00:04:10,400 | 00:04:12,400 | 成立還久 但他可能他就是違建 |
| 00:04:12,400 | 00:04:14,400 | 這個問題啦 |
| 00:04:14,400 | 00:04:16,399 | 所以我也覺得啦 |
| 00:04:16,399 | 00:04:18,399 | 如果說還有一個寬限 |
| 00:04:18,399 | 00:04:20,399 | 我覺得啦 |
| 00:04:20,399 | 00:04:22,400 | 這個部長 |
| 00:04:22,400 | 00:04:24,400 | 如果在都會區 |
| 00:04:24,400 | 00:04:26,400 | 跟這個鄉郊區 |
| 00:04:26,400 | 00:04:28,400 | 我覺得啦 我們是不是 |
| 00:04:28,400 | 00:04:30,400 | 應該有不同的標準來處理 |
| 00:04:30,400 | 00:04:32,400 | 然後把它處理好 |
| 00:04:32,400 | 00:04:34,400 | 謝謝委員啦 委員對於這個弱勢的家庭 |
| 00:04:34,400 | 00:04:36,400 | 尤其是委員也提到 |
| 00:04:36,400 | 00:04:38,400 | 會住在頂加的人 |
| 00:04:38,400 | 00:04:40,400 | 可能他在經濟上相對的弱勢 |
| 00:04:40,400 | 00:04:42,400 | 所以我們本來就有一年的寬限 |
| 00:04:42,400 | 00:04:44,400 | 其實我們內政部跟衛福部 |
| 00:04:44,400 | 00:04:46,400 | 從社會福利的角度或是社會救助的角度 |
| 00:04:46,400 | 00:04:48,400 | 來處理這一塊 |
| 00:04:48,400 | 00:04:50,400 | 那現在我們去盤點出來 |
| 00:04:50,400 | 00:04:52,400 | 大概總共有全台灣 |
| 00:04:52,400 | 00:04:54,400 | 全台灣集合出來 |
| 00:04:54,400 | 00:04:56,400 | 大概有400多戶 |
| 00:04:56,400 | 00:04:58,400 | 400多戶的話會列為專案的列館 |
| 00:04:58,400 | 00:05:00,400 | 那如果像委員剛所說的 |
| 00:05:00,400 | 00:05:02,400 | 第一個偏鄉 |
| 00:05:02,400 | 00:05:04,400 | 第二個他可能在居住上面 |
| 00:05:04,400 | 00:05:06,400 | 沒有其他的屬於安全上面的顧慮的話 |
| 00:05:06,400 | 00:05:08,400 | 我們大概會專案來輔導 |
| 00:05:08,400 | 00:05:10,400 | 來處理 |
| 00:05:10,400 | 00:05:12,400 | 那這個只要地方縣市政府 |
| 00:05:12,400 | 00:05:14,400 | 或者是衛福部不會太反對的話 |
| 00:05:14,400 | 00:05:16,400 | 我們會樂觀啟程來繼續協助他們 |
| 00:05:16,400 | 00:05:18,400 | 好 那另外 |
| 00:05:18,400 | 00:05:20,400 | 這個 |
| 00:05:20,400 | 00:05:22,400 | 部長 |
| 00:05:22,400 | 00:05:24,400 | 我們 |
| 00:05:24,400 | 00:05:26,400 | 這個社宅的新建 |
| 00:05:26,400 | 00:05:28,400 | 我們這個 |
| 00:05:28,400 | 00:05:30,400 | 預計25萬戶 |
| 00:05:30,400 | 00:05:32,400 | 這個目標應該沒有改變吧 |
| 00:05:34,400 | 00:05:36,400 | 總統加在一起 |
| 00:05:36,400 | 00:05:38,400 | 這個目標一定是沒有改變的 |
| 00:05:38,400 | 00:05:40,400 | 沒有改變啦 |
| 00:05:40,400 | 00:05:42,400 | 那現在 |
| 00:05:42,400 | 00:05:44,400 | 有一些聲音說 |
| 00:05:44,400 | 00:05:46,400 | 變了什麼3萬什麼 |
| 00:05:46,400 | 00:05:48,400 | 我個人看的資料 |
| 00:05:48,400 | 00:05:50,400 | 覺得不是耶 |
| 00:05:50,400 | 00:05:52,400 | 那個是現在現階段 |
| 00:05:52,400 | 00:05:54,400 | 可以馬上做跟地方政府 |
| 00:05:54,400 | 00:05:56,400 | 已經確定的 |
| 00:05:56,400 | 00:05:58,400 | 這個是3萬戶嘛 |
| 00:05:58,400 | 00:06:00,400 | 這個就是已經 |
| 00:06:00,400 | 00:06:02,400 | 我們要蓋的 |
| 00:06:02,400 | 00:06:04,400 | 但是這個是已經說 |
| 00:06:04,400 | 00:06:06,400 | 訂案可以趕快來實施的 |
| 00:06:06,400 | 00:06:08,400 | 這個是應該是說 |
| 00:06:08,400 | 00:06:10,400 | 已經賣出了3萬戶了 |
| 00:06:10,400 | 00:06:12,400 | 應該是這樣講吧 |
| 00:06:12,400 | 00:06:14,400 | 因為我們要跟地方政府多做溝通 |
| 00:06:14,400 | 00:06:16,400 | 所以才會出現這樣的數字 |
| 00:06:16,400 | 00:06:18,400 | 對 但是這個3萬戶 |
| 00:06:18,400 | 00:06:20,400 | 就是地方政府也都OK了 |
| 00:06:20,400 | 00:06:22,400 | 我們就是馬上要賣出了 |
| 00:06:22,400 | 00:06:24,400 | 馬上要開始了 |
| 00:06:24,400 | 00:06:26,400 | 等於說我們的十幾萬 |
| 00:06:26,400 | 00:06:28,400 | 我們這3萬戶已經要開始了 |
| 00:06:28,400 | 00:06:30,400 | 應該是這樣才對吧 |
| 00:06:30,400 | 00:06:32,400 | 這個就是跟地方政府都已經溝通好 |
| 00:06:32,400 | 00:06:34,400 | 所以我們要開始啟動 |
| 00:06:34,400 | 00:06:36,400 | 所有的相關的發包作業 |
| 00:06:36,400 | 00:06:38,400 | 設計作業等等 |
| 00:06:38,400 | 00:06:40,400 | 所以應該是我們的十幾萬戶 |
| 00:06:40,400 | 00:06:42,400 | 目標不變 |
| 00:06:42,400 | 00:06:44,400 | 但是3萬戶已經要啟動了 |
| 00:06:44,400 | 00:06:46,400 | 對不對 |
| 00:06:46,400 | 00:06:48,400 | 應該是這樣子才對嘛 |
| 00:06:48,400 | 00:06:50,400 | 像我們到下半年又會再跟地方政府 |
| 00:06:50,400 | 00:06:52,400 | 檢討那明年後年 |
| 00:06:52,400 | 00:06:54,400 | 有沒有再增加的 因為他們土地會慢慢 |
| 00:06:54,400 | 00:06:56,400 | 配合一整開區 |
| 00:06:56,400 | 00:06:58,400 | 或者是都市就要變更 |
| 00:06:58,400 | 00:07:00,400 | 會慢慢的去取得 所以這個部分我們一直在檢討 |
| 00:07:00,400 | 00:07:02,400 | 對嘛 所以我說的沒錯 |
| 00:07:02,400 | 00:07:04,400 | 這應該是第一階段 |
| 00:07:04,400 | 00:07:06,400 | 已經要來做的嘛 |
| 00:07:06,400 | 00:07:08,400 | 對不對 我覺得這個可能 |
| 00:07:08,400 | 00:07:10,400 | 也要說清楚 |
| 00:07:10,400 | 00:07:12,400 | 讓大家了解啦 好不好 |
| 00:07:12,400 | 00:07:14,400 | 好 那就這樣 謝謝 |
| 00:07:16,400 | 00:07:18,400 | 好 謝謝張宏祿委員 |
| 00:07:18,400 | 00:07:20,400 | 先請廖心祥委員質詢 |