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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:10,000 | 謝謝主席張貝提名人有請 |
| 00:00:10,000 | 00:00:13,000 | 貝提名人有請 |
| 00:00:23,000 | 00:00:25,000 | 好 午安 辛苦了 |
| 00:00:25,000 | 00:00:29,000 | 今天是監察委員的人事統一選的相關的一個質詢 |
| 00:00:29,000 | 00:00:30,000 | 是 |
| 00:00:30,000 | 00:00:33,000 | 稍早早上的時候我曾經質詢過這個院長貝提名人 |
| 00:00:33,000 | 00:00:34,000 | 當然因為時間的關係 |
| 00:00:34,000 | 00:00:35,000 | 我們沒有辦法多探討 |
| 00:00:35,000 | 00:00:38,000 | 而是監察院在政治實務上的一些角色的扮演 |
| 00:00:38,000 | 00:00:40,000 | 我們多花了時間討論的憲政的奮進 |
| 00:00:40,000 | 00:00:42,000 | 那監察院的社會形象 |
| 00:00:42,000 | 00:00:44,000 | 跟大家對於監察院的期待 |
| 00:00:44,000 | 00:00:45,000 | 我們就花一點點時間 |
| 00:00:45,000 | 00:00:46,000 | 我們聽一聽您的意見 |
| 00:00:46,000 | 00:00:47,000 | 好 |
| 00:00:47,000 | 00:00:49,000 | 這個我開宗明義 |
| 00:00:49,000 | 00:00:51,000 | 我就請你主動回答 |
| 00:00:51,000 | 00:00:53,000 | 請問我們貝提名人能不能舉幾個例子 |
| 00:00:53,000 | 00:00:56,000 | 就是說幾個重大社會矚目案件 |
| 00:00:56,000 | 00:00:57,000 | 比如說像之前講兒虐啊 |
| 00:00:57,000 | 00:00:59,000 | 或者最近的這個食安的用油啊 |
| 00:00:59,000 | 00:01:01,000 | 有這樣一種重大的一個弊案 |
| 00:01:01,000 | 00:01:06,000 | 那是經過監察院發動 |
| 00:01:06,000 | 00:01:08,000 | 然後因為監察院的調查 |
| 00:01:08,000 | 00:01:10,000 | 發動快速的調查 |
| 00:01:10,000 | 00:01:12,000 | 強勢的處理 |
| 00:01:12,000 | 00:01:14,000 | 然後才為社會大眾所周知的 |
| 00:01:14,000 | 00:01:15,000 | 有沒有幾個這樣子的案件 |
| 00:01:15,000 | 00:01:16,000 | 你可以跟大家分享 |
| 00:01:16,000 | 00:01:17,000 | 我 |
| 00:01:17,000 | 00:01:19,000 | 但我有個人認知的問題 |
| 00:01:19,000 | 00:01:20,000 | 就是說 |
| 00:01:20,000 | 00:01:22,000 | 所謂大家矚目的案件 |
| 00:01:22,000 | 00:01:24,000 | 像剛才講到的幾個兒虐案 |
| 00:01:24,000 | 00:01:25,000 | 我想大家都 |
| 00:01:25,000 | 00:01:27,000 | 一個是凱凱案 |
| 00:01:27,000 | 00:01:30,000 | 以及像南投校長詮釋性侵 |
| 00:01:30,000 | 00:01:31,000 | 好像大家都會 |
| 00:01:31,000 | 00:01:35,000 | 這個是一個受到大家關切跟矚目的案件 |
| 00:01:35,000 | 00:01:37,000 | 以及食品安全 |
| 00:01:37,000 | 00:01:38,000 | 食安的一些問題 |
| 00:01:38,000 | 00:01:40,000 | 這些我都有看你的報告 |
| 00:01:40,000 | 00:01:42,000 | 所以你寫了你辦了很多案子 |
| 00:01:42,000 | 00:01:43,000 | 這個我分析很準正 |
| 00:01:43,000 | 00:01:44,000 | 也感謝你的助興 |
| 00:01:44,000 | 00:01:45,000 | 所以您提到的是 |
| 00:01:45,000 | 00:01:46,000 | 像公安的部分 |
| 00:01:46,000 | 00:01:47,000 | 像台鐵這個 |
| 00:01:47,000 | 00:01:50,000 | 發生那個重大災害造成死亡 |
| 00:01:50,000 | 00:01:52,000 | 我們彈劾了相關的首長跟救生 |
| 00:01:52,000 | 00:01:53,000 | 我知道這些案件 |
| 00:01:53,000 | 00:01:54,000 | 比如說你剛剛也有很多 |
| 00:01:54,000 | 00:01:56,000 | 比如說什麼巴德的天花板掉下來 |
| 00:01:56,000 | 00:01:57,000 | 這個太阮河等等 |
| 00:01:57,000 | 00:01:58,000 | 這個都是沒有錯的 |
| 00:01:58,000 | 00:02:00,000 | 但這個事情都是由悲劇發生 |
| 00:02:00,000 | 00:02:01,000 | 而且立刻性的畫面 |
| 00:02:01,000 | 00:02:02,000 | 就讓全國周知 |
| 00:02:02,000 | 00:02:04,000 | 然後大家就會同步進行調查 |
| 00:02:04,000 | 00:02:05,000 | 立法院這邊當然就會針對 |
| 00:02:05,000 | 00:02:07,000 | 相關的一些施政的缺失 |
| 00:02:07,000 | 00:02:08,000 | 我們就安排專案報告安排質詢 |
| 00:02:08,000 | 00:02:10,000 | 監察院也會啟動調查的程序 |
| 00:02:10,000 | 00:02:11,000 | 這個沒有關係 |
| 00:02:11,000 | 00:02:12,000 | 我要問的是是由你監察 |
| 00:02:12,000 | 00:02:14,000 | 因為監察院有監察跟調查之權 |
| 00:02:14,000 | 00:02:17,000 | 有些時候這個可以調閱內部的這個文件 |
| 00:02:17,000 | 00:02:19,000 | 等等審核相關的一些決算 |
| 00:02:19,000 | 00:02:21,000 | 這個能夠掌握真正的 |
| 00:02:21,000 | 00:02:22,000 | 施政維持的強度 |
| 00:02:22,000 | 00:02:23,000 | 其實是比立法院高很多的 |
| 00:02:23,000 | 00:02:25,000 | 也就是為什麼這社會大眾 |
| 00:02:25,000 | 00:02:26,000 | 其實對監察院的期待 |
| 00:02:26,000 | 00:02:28,000 | 是叫你打弊案 |
| 00:02:28,000 | 00:02:29,000 | 因為你能看到的東西 |
| 00:02:29,000 | 00:02:31,000 | 可能比立法院看到的還多 |
| 00:02:31,000 | 00:02:34,000 | 所以說我剛問的是從監察院發動 |
| 00:02:34,000 | 00:02:36,000 | 因為你的調查報告出來 |
| 00:02:36,000 | 00:02:38,000 | 全社會開始關注這個案子 |
| 00:02:38,000 | 00:02:39,000 | 全社會關注這個案子之後 |
| 00:02:39,000 | 00:02:41,000 | 然後你還伴隨著這個 |
| 00:02:41,000 | 00:02:42,000 | 因為你調查報告已經出來 |
| 00:02:42,000 | 00:02:43,000 | 成果已經出來 |
| 00:02:43,000 | 00:02:45,000 | 你還強力的執法強勢的處理 |
| 00:02:45,000 | 00:02:47,000 | 然後讓社會大眾覺得 |
| 00:02:47,000 | 00:02:48,000 | 因為有監察院的存在 |
| 00:02:48,000 | 00:02:51,000 | 因為監察院的主動調查主動的報告 |
| 00:02:51,000 | 00:02:53,000 | 結果搞定了弊案 |
| 00:02:53,000 | 00:02:54,000 | 懲戒了壞蛋 |
| 00:02:54,000 | 00:02:56,000 | 讓這個社會的公道得以彰顯 |
| 00:02:56,000 | 00:02:57,000 | 我要聽的是這樣的案例 |
| 00:02:57,000 | 00:02:58,000 | 有嗎 |
| 00:02:58,000 | 00:02:59,000 | 是是 |
| 00:02:59,000 | 00:03:01,000 | 我從我的理解 |
| 00:03:01,000 | 00:03:02,000 | 可以的 |
| 00:03:02,000 | 00:03:04,000 | 其實是監察調查 |
| 00:03:04,000 | 00:03:06,000 | 我想也趁這個機會跟大家去說明 |
| 00:03:06,000 | 00:03:09,000 | 監察調查它是一個事後的監督 |
| 00:03:09,000 | 00:03:11,000 | 很多外界的質疑 |
| 00:03:11,000 | 00:03:14,000 | 我想是一個虛心要檢討的問題 |
| 00:03:14,000 | 00:03:15,000 | 有信任的問題 |
| 00:03:15,000 | 00:03:16,000 | 有監督的問題 |
| 00:03:16,000 | 00:03:18,000 | 但是監察職權 |
| 00:03:18,000 | 00:03:20,000 | 它是一個 |
| 00:03:20,000 | 00:03:22,000 | 我必須要說明 |
| 00:03:22,000 | 00:03:24,000 | 因為各位可以試想 |
| 00:03:24,000 | 00:03:26,000 | 一個案件的發生 |
| 00:03:26,000 | 00:03:28,000 | 大家是最被關注的 |
| 00:03:28,000 | 00:03:29,000 | 這個時間點 |
| 00:03:29,000 | 00:03:32,000 | 大家看到了一個重大災害的發生 |
| 00:03:32,000 | 00:03:34,000 | 可是監察院像我個人 |
| 00:03:34,000 | 00:03:36,000 | 我認為這個案子需要立案 |
| 00:03:36,000 | 00:03:38,000 | 我就進入立案的過程 |
| 00:03:38,000 | 00:03:40,000 | 立案的過程之後 |
| 00:03:40,000 | 00:03:42,000 | 我們有各項的調查作為 |
| 00:03:42,000 | 00:03:44,000 | 我已經近期可能的 |
| 00:03:44,000 | 00:03:46,000 | 我從延期我到調卷 |
| 00:03:46,000 | 00:03:48,000 | 很仔細的辦案 |
| 00:03:48,000 | 00:03:49,000 | 這個我都肯定 |
| 00:03:49,000 | 00:03:50,000 | 這個沒有問題 |
| 00:03:50,000 | 00:03:54,000 | 也就是說我們有需要一個時間的辦案 |
| 00:03:54,000 | 00:03:55,000 | 我即便如何快 |
| 00:03:55,000 | 00:03:57,000 | 我不可能是在第一個時間 |
| 00:03:57,000 | 00:03:59,000 | 我之所以會問這個問題 |
| 00:03:59,000 | 00:04:00,000 | 不好意思我打斷你一下 |
| 00:04:00,000 | 00:04:02,000 | 我知道你講你有你的一個詳情 |
| 00:04:02,000 | 00:04:03,000 | 所以提出來的時候 |
| 00:04:03,000 | 00:04:05,000 | 他們調查都很認真 |
| 00:04:05,000 | 00:04:06,000 | 這個我不會否定你的努力 |
| 00:04:06,000 | 00:04:07,000 | 問題就是這樣 |
| 00:04:07,000 | 00:04:09,000 | 因為我之所以會問這個問題 |
| 00:04:09,000 | 00:04:10,000 | 也是因為這樣 |
| 00:04:10,000 | 00:04:11,000 | 因為這個大家的報告都會寫 |
| 00:04:11,000 | 00:04:13,000 | 每一年監察院的人民懲刑的數量 |
| 00:04:13,000 | 00:04:14,000 | 數十萬件 |
| 00:04:14,000 | 00:04:15,000 | 其實很多的弊案 |
| 00:04:15,000 | 00:04:18,000 | 也就在吹哨者都會對監察院有所期待 |
| 00:04:18,000 | 00:04:19,000 | 都藏在裡面 |
| 00:04:19,000 | 00:04:20,000 | 所以你剛講 |
| 00:04:20,000 | 00:04:22,000 | 純然只有做事後調查 |
| 00:04:22,000 | 00:04:23,000 | 這本行不見得同意 |
| 00:04:23,000 | 00:04:25,000 | 因為你很多時候你可以事前掌握 |
| 00:04:25,000 | 00:04:27,000 | 很多時候來找立法委員的陳情說 |
| 00:04:27,000 | 00:04:28,000 | 這政府有重大維持 |
| 00:04:28,000 | 00:04:30,000 | 他其實同步都告訴了監察院 |
| 00:04:30,000 | 00:04:31,000 | 所以我才覺得 |
| 00:04:31,000 | 00:04:33,000 | 以監察院的相關的量能跟調查的手段 |
| 00:04:33,000 | 00:04:37,000 | 你其實完全可以事前的掌握一兩個弊案 |
| 00:04:37,000 | 00:04:39,000 | 而不是都是事情發生之後 |
| 00:04:39,000 | 00:04:40,000 | 當然你都做事後調查 |
| 00:04:40,000 | 00:04:41,000 | 這個我不會否定你 |
| 00:04:41,000 | 00:04:43,000 | 但是我就舉稍早說 |
| 00:04:43,000 | 00:04:44,000 | 我也有舉這個例子 |
| 00:04:44,000 | 00:04:46,000 | 比如說經貿談判辦公室的這個霸凌案 |
| 00:04:46,000 | 00:04:47,000 | 陳慧心副代表是 |
| 00:04:47,000 | 00:04:49,000 | 2026年3月就辭事了 |
| 00:04:49,000 | 00:04:50,000 | 就過世了 |
| 00:04:50,000 | 00:04:51,000 | 過世之後案子才爆開 |
| 00:04:51,000 | 00:04:52,000 | 爆開之後立法院追這個案子 |
| 00:04:52,000 | 00:04:53,000 | 已經追了好幾個月 |
| 00:04:53,000 | 00:04:56,000 | 然後7月2號行政院直接做處分 |
| 00:04:56,000 | 00:04:58,000 | 把這個楊真怡政委給免職 |
| 00:04:58,000 | 00:05:01,000 | 然後你的報告是到7月29號才出來 |
| 00:05:01,000 | 00:05:02,000 | 我現在擔心的是這件事情 |
| 00:05:02,000 | 00:05:05,000 | 也藉這個機會跟背庭門來做一個分享 |
| 00:05:05,000 | 00:05:07,000 | 人民對於監察院之所以 |
| 00:05:07,000 | 00:05:09,000 | 已經有點心灰意冷了 |
| 00:05:09,000 | 00:05:10,000 | 覺得反正是盲腸 |
| 00:05:10,000 | 00:05:11,000 | 沒有什麼功能 |
| 00:05:11,000 | 00:05:13,000 | 其實很大的原因是這樣 |
| 00:05:13,000 | 00:05:14,000 | 你每年辦很多案件 |
| 00:05:14,000 | 00:05:15,000 | 你也都非常認真 |
| 00:05:15,000 | 00:05:17,000 | 但是問題是你沒有從頭到尾 |
| 00:05:17,000 | 00:05:18,000 | 善差於一前 |
| 00:05:18,000 | 00:05:21,000 | 一開始從沒有人下手的地方去掌握 |
| 00:05:21,000 | 00:05:24,000 | 然後辦到一個案子讓大家都關注到 |
| 00:05:24,000 | 00:05:26,000 | 而且彰顯的社會公道 |
| 00:05:26,000 | 00:05:28,000 | 我想這是有誤會的地方 |
| 00:05:28,000 | 00:05:29,000 | 這是誤會 |
| 00:05:29,000 | 00:05:32,000 | 我現在我才請你舉一個例子 |
| 00:05:32,000 | 00:05:34,000 | 對不對我請你舉一個例子的原因是 |
| 00:05:34,000 | 00:05:36,000 | 我講所謂的事後監督是說 |
| 00:05:36,000 | 00:05:39,000 | 我們會尊重願意政策的執行 |
| 00:05:39,000 | 00:05:40,000 | 我們會尊重 |
| 00:05:40,000 | 00:05:43,000 | 如果他的執行的過程發生問題 |
| 00:05:43,000 | 00:05:46,000 | 那就是我們監察權要處理的地方 |
| 00:05:46,000 | 00:05:48,000 | 不是說我們慢半拍 |
| 00:05:48,000 | 00:05:49,000 | 不是那個意思 |
| 00:05:49,000 | 00:05:51,000 | 這就是監察職權的一個本質 |
| 00:05:51,000 | 00:05:53,000 | 我必須是這樣的一個處理 |
| 00:05:53,000 | 00:05:54,000 | 這我理解 |
| 00:05:54,000 | 00:05:56,000 | 所以再來我想外界真的是誤會了 |
| 00:05:56,000 | 00:05:59,000 | 我個人參與的案件是150多件 |
| 00:05:59,000 | 00:06:01,000 | 對很多我沒有講你辦的很少 |
| 00:06:01,000 | 00:06:02,000 | 我沒有講你再偷懶 |
| 00:06:02,000 | 00:06:05,000 | 我的意思是說你辦案你總要找重大主辦 |
| 00:06:05,000 | 00:06:07,000 | 你才會讓社會對監察院有期待 |
| 00:06:07,000 | 00:06:09,000 | 這因為很多委員每一個機會都會 |
| 00:06:09,000 | 00:06:11,000 | 監察院存廢的立場 |
| 00:06:11,000 | 00:06:13,000 | 大家在這邊講半天 |
| 00:06:13,000 | 00:06:15,000 | 可是真正民間的觀感是這樣 |
| 00:06:15,000 | 00:06:19,000 | 這是你四年一次面對民意的直接間接的機會 |
| 00:06:19,000 | 00:06:20,000 | 我們是這個地方 |
| 00:06:20,000 | 00:06:22,000 | 我跟這個背景做一下分享 |
| 00:06:22,000 | 00:06:25,000 | 民意的信任我想絕對需要虛心檢討的 |
| 00:06:25,000 | 00:06:28,000 | 但是我個人其實是針對 |
| 00:06:28,000 | 00:06:32,000 | 其實不管是像我們剛剛提到的一些案型 |
| 00:06:32,000 | 00:06:34,000 | 我辦了非常多的案型 |
| 00:06:34,000 | 00:06:37,000 | 我是認為真的我是認真負責 |
| 00:06:37,000 | 00:06:39,000 | 無愧於前面一個認情 |
| 00:06:39,000 | 00:06:42,000 | 這個到最後為什麼講 |
| 00:06:42,000 | 00:06:44,000 | 人民對監察院沒什麼印象 |
| 00:06:44,000 | 00:06:45,000 | 結果唯一有印象 |
| 00:06:45,000 | 00:06:46,000 | 這我就跟你討論一下 |
| 00:06:46,000 | 00:06:48,000 | 監察院的公務車濫用的問題 |
| 00:06:48,000 | 00:06:51,000 | 2025年秘書長李駿益他已經辭職了 |
| 00:06:51,000 | 00:06:52,000 | 還有王龍章監委 |
| 00:06:52,000 | 00:06:53,000 | 田秋吉監委 |
| 00:06:53,000 | 00:06:54,000 | 林運榮監委 |
| 00:06:54,000 | 00:06:55,000 | 蘇立雄等人 |
| 00:06:55,000 | 00:06:57,000 | 也許有走在灰色地帶吧 |
| 00:06:57,000 | 00:06:59,000 | 也許是所謂的違法使用 |
| 00:06:59,000 | 00:07:01,000 | 監察院的公務車輛的情勢 |
| 00:07:01,000 | 00:07:04,000 | 這細節我就不再多贅述了 |
| 00:07:04,000 | 00:07:06,000 | 監察委員使用公務車不管是接送子女 |
| 00:07:06,000 | 00:07:10,000 | 跑機場送寵物美容理髮看牙 |
| 00:07:10,000 | 00:07:12,000 | 有沒有符合執行公務的原則 |
| 00:07:12,000 | 00:07:15,000 | 其實委員您剛剛提到的公務車案 |
| 00:07:15,000 | 00:07:18,000 | 就是監察院已經有做處理 |
| 00:07:18,000 | 00:07:22,000 | 就當時是監察委員自律規範 |
| 00:07:22,000 | 00:07:25,000 | 我們有個相關的法源的依據去做了一個處理 |
| 00:07:25,000 | 00:07:27,000 | 從紀律委員會審議過 |
| 00:07:27,000 | 00:07:29,000 | 已經送院會審議通過 |
| 00:07:29,000 | 00:07:32,000 | 後來就是大家已經看到外界看到的 |
| 00:07:32,000 | 00:07:35,000 | 包括對於委員的相關的處分 |
| 00:07:35,000 | 00:07:36,000 | 已經有處分 |
| 00:07:36,000 | 00:07:38,000 | 我之所以要問你這個問題 |
| 00:07:38,000 | 00:07:42,000 | 以及我們認為我們辦了一個個案 |
| 00:07:42,000 | 00:07:44,000 | 我們也要去看到 |
| 00:07:44,000 | 00:07:46,000 | 我們不希望有下面的個案嗎 |
| 00:07:46,000 | 00:07:48,000 | 所以就是說這個也請秘書處 |
| 00:07:48,000 | 00:07:50,000 | 從法規面跟制度面 |
| 00:07:50,000 | 00:07:52,000 | 對是要做監察修正 |
| 00:07:52,000 | 00:07:54,000 | 監察委員您剛剛提到的 |
| 00:07:54,000 | 00:07:58,000 | 我認為監察院確實我們是直施封限 |
| 00:07:58,000 | 00:08:01,000 | 我們要嚴以律己妥善的行使 |
| 00:08:01,000 | 00:08:02,000 | 是的 |
| 00:08:02,000 | 00:08:03,000 | 相關的一個自律規範 |
| 00:08:03,000 | 00:08:06,000 | 但是其實是符合的 |
| 00:08:06,000 | 00:08:09,000 | 我想基本上就是也沒有要去 |
| 00:08:09,000 | 00:08:11,000 | 我之所以問你這個問題的原因 |
| 00:08:11,000 | 00:08:13,000 | 就是因為你是當初紀律委員會委員之一 |
| 00:08:13,000 | 00:08:15,000 | 你在這個你們內部開會的時候 |
| 00:08:15,000 | 00:08:16,000 | 你的立場是什麼 |
| 00:08:16,000 | 00:08:18,000 | 在討論這件事情的時候你的主張是什麼 |
| 00:08:18,000 | 00:08:22,000 | 我想這個部分是不是容我這邊就 |
| 00:08:22,000 | 00:08:24,000 | 因為那是一個紀律委員會審議的過程 |
| 00:08:24,000 | 00:08:26,000 | 那個並沒有對外 |
| 00:08:26,000 | 00:08:29,000 | 我個人是一個法律人 |
| 00:08:29,000 | 00:08:32,000 | 我針對相關的規範我研究的非常的仔細 |
| 00:08:32,000 | 00:08:35,000 | 我經過整個規範整個嚴格去看 |
| 00:08:35,000 | 00:08:37,000 | 然後做出我的法律意見 |
| 00:08:37,000 | 00:08:40,000 | 我大概只能是這樣不好意思 |
| 00:08:40,000 | 00:08:41,000 | 沒關係我會詮釋你的答案 |
| 00:08:41,000 | 00:08:44,000 | 但是那個審議的過程因為就不變了 |
| 00:08:44,000 | 00:08:46,000 | 因為已經是審議過 |
| 00:08:46,000 | 00:08:48,000 | 我一樣是要提醒被提名人這裡 |
| 00:08:48,000 | 00:08:49,000 | 今天站在這邊因為就難得一次 |
| 00:08:49,000 | 00:08:50,000 | 接受民意檢驗的時候 |
| 00:08:50,000 | 00:08:52,000 | 雖然是間接的一個方式 |
| 00:08:52,000 | 00:08:54,000 | 就是說大家都在講監察委員 |
| 00:08:54,000 | 00:08:55,000 | 而且我們剛剛講積極功能 |
| 00:08:55,000 | 00:08:58,000 | 可能還有一點有跟期待上有點落差 |
| 00:08:58,000 | 00:08:59,000 | 那出現一些事情的時候 |
| 00:08:59,000 | 00:09:01,000 | 其實紀律委員會就是最後一道防線 |
| 00:09:01,000 | 00:09:03,000 | 因為監察委員總不能互相彈劾 |
| 00:09:03,000 | 00:09:07,000 | 所以大家也對這件事情之所以會多所抱怨 |
| 00:09:07,000 | 00:09:08,000 | 他其實就是這樣 |
| 00:09:08,000 | 00:09:11,000 | 因為到了最後這個紀律委員會的決議 |
| 00:09:11,000 | 00:09:12,000 | 然後院會通過就是向院會道歉 |
| 00:09:12,000 | 00:09:13,000 | 然後促其注意 |
| 00:09:13,000 | 00:09:14,000 | 然後就沒有然後了 |
| 00:09:14,000 | 00:09:16,000 | 當然也修正了一些機制 |
| 00:09:16,000 | 00:09:18,000 | 但是被理解你覺得這個東西 |
| 00:09:18,000 | 00:09:19,000 | 符不符合民意的期待 |
| 00:09:19,000 | 00:09:20,000 | 我想 |
| 00:09:20,000 | 00:09:21,000 | 御尊我尊重 |
| 00:09:21,000 | 00:09:23,000 | 但是你符不符合民意的期待 |
| 00:09:23,000 | 00:09:25,000 | 其實民意期待當然是一個部分 |
| 00:09:25,000 | 00:09:26,000 | 我們會非 |
| 00:09:26,000 | 00:09:28,000 | 因為我們就是要保護人民權益的 |
| 00:09:28,000 | 00:09:30,000 | 民意的期待就是他們的聲音 |
| 00:09:30,000 | 00:09:33,000 | 但是這邊我想要說明的 |
| 00:09:33,000 | 00:09:34,000 | 每一個個案 |
| 00:09:34,000 | 00:09:36,000 | 即便不同的委員 |
| 00:09:36,000 | 00:09:40,000 | 他所他涉及到一個部分都不一樣的 |
| 00:09:40,000 | 00:09:43,000 | 那就是要尊重處理的委員 |
| 00:09:43,000 | 00:09:45,000 | 他的一個調查 |
| 00:09:45,000 | 00:09:46,000 | 對 |
| 00:09:46,000 | 00:09:48,000 | 我們要依據事實依據法律 |
| 00:09:48,000 | 00:09:50,000 | 這是我當律師到監委 |
| 00:09:50,000 | 00:09:51,000 | 我一貫這個的 |
| 00:09:51,000 | 00:09:53,000 | 我只是問市政到哪裡 |
| 00:09:53,000 | 00:09:54,000 | 好的 |
| 00:09:54,000 | 00:09:55,000 | 我提醒一下 |
| 00:09:55,000 | 00:09:56,000 | 因為你也是法律人 |
| 00:09:56,000 | 00:09:59,000 | 曾經有女警開巡邏車接送男友判刑三個月 |
| 00:09:59,000 | 00:10:02,000 | 消防局長駕駛救災指揮車到台中辦理實施判刑一年 |
| 00:10:02,000 | 00:10:06,000 | 消防分隊小隊長騎乘警用機車上下班判刑一年六個月 |
| 00:10:06,000 | 00:10:09,000 | 這是其實在公務員上也有濫用公務車這樣的問題 |
| 00:10:09,000 | 00:10:11,000 | 但是標準是否真的一致 |
| 00:10:11,000 | 00:10:13,000 | 我覺得社會大眾是有公斷 |
| 00:10:13,000 | 00:10:14,000 | 我今天在這個地方 |
| 00:10:14,000 | 00:10:16,000 | 不外乎就是一個跟民意間接對話的機會 |
| 00:10:16,000 | 00:10:19,000 | 所以我把民間對於監察院的諸多質疑 |
| 00:10:19,000 | 00:10:21,000 | 第一個是辦案有沒有發揮查弊的功能 |
| 00:10:21,000 | 00:10:23,000 | 第二個是在發生危機事件的時候 |
| 00:10:23,000 | 00:10:24,000 | 這個標準是不是很高 |
| 00:10:24,000 | 00:10:27,000 | 這些東西其實都值得社會多再做思考 |
| 00:10:27,000 | 00:10:28,000 | 也請被提門思考一下 |
| 00:10:29,000 | 00:10:30,000 | 好 謝謝牛委員 |