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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:02,000 | 選問 |
| 00:00:15,000 | 00:00:17,000 | 好 感謝主席 |
| 00:00:17,000 | 00:00:20,000 | 本次邀請 北提名人 曾永新議事 |
| 00:00:20,000 | 00:00:22,000 | 陳北提名人 北選 |
| 00:00:27,000 | 00:00:28,000 | 藍議書你好 |
| 00:00:28,000 | 00:00:29,000 | 你好 |
| 00:00:29,000 | 00:00:31,000 | 真辛苦 |
| 00:00:32,000 | 00:00:34,000 | 也配合你的勇氣 |
| 00:00:34,000 | 00:00:39,000 | 你來接受被黃提名做監察院的議長 |
| 00:00:39,000 | 00:00:41,000 | 不過我幾個問題也是要來跟你請教 |
| 00:00:41,000 | 00:00:42,000 | 有什麼 |
| 00:00:42,000 | 00:00:45,000 | 在紙壓棟 國民棟 民眾棟 |
| 00:00:45,000 | 00:00:48,000 | 都在說 費毒監察院 |
| 00:00:48,000 | 00:00:52,000 | 其實 要費毒監察院 |
| 00:00:52,000 | 00:00:54,000 | 只要大家有共識 我們就要來上 |
| 00:00:54,000 | 00:00:56,000 | 聽到的紙壓棟都不會 |
| 00:00:56,000 | 00:00:59,000 | 其實民進黨早就拿出來要費監察院 |
| 00:00:59,000 | 00:01:01,000 | 就是我們民進黨 |
| 00:01:01,000 | 00:01:04,000 | 但只有民進黨有實際的作為 |
| 00:01:04,000 | 00:01:08,000 | 民進黨要拿出正式的修憲案 |
| 00:01:08,000 | 00:01:10,000 | 來費毒監察院 |
| 00:01:10,000 | 00:01:12,000 | 國民棟阿虎 |
| 00:01:12,000 | 00:01:15,000 | 我看了整整幾天 國民棟的董事長 |
| 00:01:15,000 | 00:01:16,000 | 鄭麗雯 |
| 00:01:16,000 | 00:01:18,000 | 她說費監察院 |
| 00:01:18,000 | 00:01:21,000 | 不是她優先的課題 |
| 00:01:21,000 | 00:01:25,000 | 因為連講完就說要費監察院 |
| 00:01:25,000 | 00:01:28,000 | 結果 國民黨的黨主席 |
| 00:01:28,000 | 00:01:31,000 | 他說費監察院修憲門檻太高 |
| 00:01:31,000 | 00:01:34,000 | 不是國民黨優先議題 |
| 00:01:34,000 | 00:01:36,000 | 國民黨的主席說的 |
| 00:01:36,000 | 00:01:38,000 | 所以我覺得 |
| 00:01:38,000 | 00:01:41,000 | 要費監察院 |
| 00:01:41,000 | 00:01:44,000 | 我認為這是一個假議題 |
| 00:01:44,000 | 00:01:46,000 | 對蔡英棟來說 |
| 00:01:46,000 | 00:01:48,000 | 不可以啦 說不可以做 |
| 00:01:48,000 | 00:01:50,000 | 這五權憲法 |
| 00:01:50,000 | 00:01:53,000 | 是國民黨的新主牌 |
| 00:01:53,000 | 00:01:57,000 | 宋文社的五權憲法 |
| 00:01:57,000 | 00:01:59,000 | 現在給他費毒 |
| 00:01:59,000 | 00:02:01,000 | 他就不是五權憲法 |
| 00:02:01,000 | 00:02:03,000 | 你如果要費監察院 |
| 00:02:03,000 | 00:02:05,000 | 科技他也要費掉 |
| 00:02:05,000 | 00:02:08,000 | 才能回歸到三權分立 |
| 00:02:08,000 | 00:02:11,000 | 這就 共同就不可能做這個事 |
| 00:02:11,000 | 00:02:14,000 | 但是今天為什麼要拿出費監察院 |
| 00:02:14,000 | 00:02:18,000 | 主要就是要反對監委的臨算 |
| 00:02:18,000 | 00:02:19,000 | 找個理由 |
| 00:02:19,000 | 00:02:22,000 | 還要費監察院 |
| 00:02:22,000 | 00:02:25,000 | 所以我認為這一次的提名 |
| 00:02:25,000 | 00:02:27,000 | 我比較悲觀 |
| 00:02:27,000 | 00:02:32,000 | 我不知道你屬性有了解林馬道 |
| 00:02:32,000 | 00:02:36,000 | 要過的機會很少 |
| 00:02:36,000 | 00:02:38,000 | 其實這二十幾個監委 |
| 00:02:38,000 | 00:02:39,000 | 監部一個好的 |
| 00:02:39,000 | 00:02:42,000 | 我看這二十幾位配提名人 |
| 00:02:42,000 | 00:02:44,000 | 很多人的學經歷 |
| 00:02:44,000 | 00:02:48,000 | 比現在的立委多好 |
| 00:02:48,000 | 00:02:50,000 | 比很多立委還要好 |
| 00:02:50,000 | 00:02:52,000 | 但是要通過的機會 |
| 00:02:52,000 | 00:02:54,000 | 我是比較悲觀 |
| 00:02:54,000 | 00:02:55,000 | 因為在那裡 |
| 00:02:55,000 | 00:02:57,000 | 黨進黨出 |
| 00:02:57,000 | 00:02:59,000 | 一致性投票 |
| 00:02:59,000 | 00:03:01,000 | 全部都好 |
| 00:03:01,000 | 00:03:03,000 | 所以要給他們費毒 |
| 00:03:03,000 | 00:03:05,000 | 找不到理由 |
| 00:03:05,000 | 00:03:06,000 | 所以費監察院 |
| 00:03:06,000 | 00:03:10,000 | 是要反對監委被提名人 |
| 00:03:10,000 | 00:03:12,000 | 要全部封殺的一個理由 |
| 00:03:12,000 | 00:03:15,000 | 這是我個人比較擔心 |
| 00:03:15,000 | 00:03:18,000 | 我跟官員看法 |
| 00:03:18,000 | 00:03:20,000 | 這就是政治投票 |
| 00:03:20,000 | 00:03:21,000 | 我不知道 |
| 00:03:21,000 | 00:03:23,000 | 你都在等醫師 |
| 00:03:23,000 | 00:03:25,000 | 看的是怎樣 |
| 00:03:25,000 | 00:03:29,000 | 我們以前就一直主張制憲 |
| 00:03:29,000 | 00:03:32,000 | 希望台灣是三權分立 |
| 00:03:32,000 | 00:03:35,000 | 的一個進步的民主國家 |
| 00:03:35,000 | 00:03:37,000 | 所以費足監察院 |
| 00:03:37,000 | 00:03:38,000 | 我並不反對 |
| 00:03:38,000 | 00:03:41,000 | 但是就像林委員剛剛講的 |
| 00:03:41,000 | 00:03:43,000 | 如果沒有具體的 |
| 00:03:43,000 | 00:03:45,000 | 修憲方案的內容 |
| 00:03:45,000 | 00:03:46,000 | 只是一句話 |
| 00:03:46,000 | 00:03:47,000 | 說費監察院 |
| 00:03:47,000 | 00:03:49,000 | 這是不負責任的做法 |
| 00:03:49,000 | 00:03:51,000 | 但是你講的重點 |
| 00:03:51,000 | 00:03:54,000 | 現在還沒修憲以前 |
| 00:03:54,000 | 00:03:57,000 | 現在還要一個憲政機關 |
| 00:03:57,000 | 00:03:58,000 | 那不對了 |
| 00:03:58,000 | 00:04:00,000 | 如果說他把它凍結了 |
| 00:04:00,000 | 00:04:01,000 | 甚至讓他癱瘓 |
| 00:04:01,000 | 00:04:02,000 | 把他癱瘓了 |
| 00:04:02,000 | 00:04:03,000 | 這個不對 |
| 00:04:03,000 | 00:04:05,000 | 因為我剛剛也舉例了 |
| 00:04:05,000 | 00:04:07,000 | 我說你說台灣治安不好 |
| 00:04:07,000 | 00:04:10,000 | 難道要廢警政署嗎 |
| 00:04:10,000 | 00:04:13,000 | 我們用部立醫院服務不好 |
| 00:04:13,000 | 00:04:14,000 | 那把醫院關掉 |
| 00:04:14,000 | 00:04:15,000 | 不是這樣子 |
| 00:04:15,000 | 00:04:16,000 | 如果這樣子 |
| 00:04:16,000 | 00:04:19,000 | 台灣民眾覺得立法院表現不好 |
| 00:04:19,000 | 00:04:21,000 | 難道要廢立法院嗎 |
| 00:04:21,000 | 00:04:23,000 | 所以不是這樣子做 |
| 00:04:23,000 | 00:04:24,000 | 第一個 |
| 00:04:24,000 | 00:04:25,000 | 要把它好好做 |
| 00:04:25,000 | 00:04:26,000 | 改革它 |
| 00:04:26,000 | 00:04:27,000 | 對啦 |
| 00:04:27,000 | 00:04:28,000 | 這我同意你的講法 |
| 00:04:28,000 | 00:04:30,000 | 但是這個來說 |
| 00:04:30,000 | 00:04:32,000 | 你把監察院癱瘓 |
| 00:04:32,000 | 00:04:33,000 | 當作政治道歉 |
| 00:04:33,000 | 00:04:36,000 | 誰受傷最重 |
| 00:04:36,000 | 00:04:37,000 | 我們的民眾 |
| 00:04:37,000 | 00:04:40,000 | 我調監察院 |
| 00:04:40,000 | 00:04:43,000 | 大概一年辦理人民懲情案 |
| 00:04:43,000 | 00:04:46,000 | 我看最近這五年 |
| 00:04:46,000 | 00:04:49,000 | 總共有75,000多件 |
| 00:04:49,000 | 00:04:51,000 | 每年都15,000件 |
| 00:04:51,000 | 00:04:52,000 | 每一年都15,000多件 |
| 00:04:52,000 | 00:04:53,000 | 我寫在那裡 |
| 00:04:53,000 | 00:04:54,000 | 一年比較多 |
| 00:04:54,000 | 00:04:57,000 | 2024年有16,000多件 |
| 00:04:57,000 | 00:04:59,000 | 其中96% |
| 00:04:59,000 | 00:05:01,000 | 都是人民懲情案 |
| 00:05:01,000 | 00:05:03,000 | 政府機關主動意商 |
| 00:05:03,000 | 00:05:05,000 | 只佔4% |
| 00:05:05,000 | 00:05:07,000 | 所以你把它廢除 |
| 00:05:07,000 | 00:05:09,000 | 那等於人民最後 |
| 00:05:09,000 | 00:05:11,000 | 在司法管道以外 |
| 00:05:11,000 | 00:05:13,000 | 它最後可以訴求 |
| 00:05:13,000 | 00:05:15,000 | 就監察院這邊 |
| 00:05:15,000 | 00:05:16,000 | 對一些機關 |
| 00:05:16,000 | 00:05:18,000 | 人民如果認為 |
| 00:05:18,000 | 00:05:20,000 | 它違法行政 |
| 00:05:20,000 | 00:05:22,000 | 不監察院之後 |
| 00:05:22,000 | 00:05:24,000 | 你看受害最大了 |
| 00:05:24,000 | 00:05:25,000 | 其實是民眾 |
| 00:05:25,000 | 00:05:26,000 | 沒有錯啦 |
| 00:05:26,000 | 00:05:27,000 | 我就說它 |
| 00:05:27,000 | 00:05:29,000 | 就失去了深淵的地方 |
| 00:05:29,000 | 00:05:30,000 | 也很好笑 |
| 00:05:30,000 | 00:05:31,000 | 在紮壓棟要免 |
| 00:05:31,000 | 00:05:33,000 | 監察院沒有作為 |
| 00:05:33,000 | 00:05:34,000 | 說免監察院不好 |
| 00:05:34,000 | 00:05:36,000 | 說監察院沒公平 |
| 00:05:36,000 | 00:05:37,000 | 但是 |
| 00:05:37,000 | 00:05:38,000 | 這兩百兩黨 |
| 00:05:38,000 | 00:05:39,000 | 時不時 |
| 00:05:39,000 | 00:05:40,000 | 不惜地拿監察院的報告 |
| 00:05:40,000 | 00:05:42,000 | 你敢不敢拿它的報告拿出來說 |
| 00:05:42,000 | 00:05:43,000 | 我拿給你看 |
| 00:05:43,000 | 00:05:46,000 | 它們的新的稻妻的辦公廳不好 |
| 00:05:46,000 | 00:05:49,000 | 它說有無大缺失 |
| 00:05:49,000 | 00:05:50,000 | 國民黨引用 |
| 00:05:50,000 | 00:05:52,000 | 民眾黨的引用就是 |
| 00:05:52,000 | 00:05:54,000 | 監察院的調查報告 |
| 00:05:54,000 | 00:05:58,000 | 你說外交部有洩密案 |
| 00:05:58,000 | 00:06:00,000 | 那再一個黨引用的 |
| 00:06:00,000 | 00:06:02,000 | 也是我們監察院的報告 |
| 00:06:02,000 | 00:06:05,000 | 表示監察院你的調查報告 |
| 00:06:05,000 | 00:06:06,000 | 其實有很多啦 |
| 00:06:06,000 | 00:06:08,000 | 連紮壓棟也在用 |
| 00:06:08,000 | 00:06:10,000 | 你現在說免它不好 |
| 00:06:10,000 | 00:06:12,000 | 要整個把它貪污掉 |
| 00:06:12,000 | 00:06:15,000 | 我覺得這是很矛盾的 |
| 00:06:15,000 | 00:06:17,000 | 而且像我們剛才所說 |
| 00:06:17,000 | 00:06:19,000 | 海產的人民 |
| 00:06:19,000 | 00:06:22,000 | 以後他如果覺得太危險 |
| 00:06:22,000 | 00:06:24,000 | 他不檢察他 |
| 00:06:24,000 | 00:06:27,000 | 很多人會看見他會受害 |
| 00:06:27,000 | 00:06:28,000 | 我猜猜 |
| 00:06:28,000 | 00:06:30,000 | 這台北市政府跟台北市政府有關 |
| 00:06:30,000 | 00:06:31,000 | 台北市政府 |
| 00:06:31,000 | 00:06:32,000 | 有個民眾 |
| 00:06:32,000 | 00:06:34,000 | 他認為 |
| 00:06:34,000 | 00:06:35,000 | 台北市政府 |
| 00:06:35,000 | 00:06:37,000 | 有一個工地 |
| 00:06:37,000 | 00:06:39,000 | 工地你是西港 |
| 00:06:39,000 | 00:06:43,000 | 他認為占用到人行道的空間 |
| 00:06:43,000 | 00:06:48,000 | 他說你這個做法是違法 |
| 00:06:48,000 | 00:06:50,000 | 台北市政府不理他 |
| 00:06:50,000 | 00:06:52,000 | 民眾陳情案 |
| 00:06:52,000 | 00:06:53,000 | 台北市政府不理他 |
| 00:06:53,000 | 00:06:54,000 | 給他補位 |
| 00:06:54,000 | 00:06:57,000 | 這個民眾他導師 |
| 00:06:57,000 | 00:06:59,000 | 讓我們簡單一點 |
| 00:06:59,000 | 00:07:01,000 | 檢察院調查以後 |
| 00:07:01,000 | 00:07:03,000 | 新聞給台北市政府 |
| 00:07:03,000 | 00:07:05,000 | 他糾正 |
| 00:07:05,000 | 00:07:07,000 | 台北市政府你這樣 |
| 00:07:07,000 | 00:07:10,000 | 違反了台北市政府的自治條例 |
| 00:07:10,000 | 00:07:12,000 | 你占用到人行的空間 |
| 00:07:12,000 | 00:07:14,000 | 所以台北市政府 |
| 00:07:14,000 | 00:07:16,000 | 收到監察院的糾正後 |
| 00:07:16,000 | 00:07:18,000 | 他改善 |
| 00:07:18,000 | 00:07:19,000 | 那個民眾 |
| 00:07:19,000 | 00:07:20,000 | 他自己PO在網路上 |
| 00:07:20,000 | 00:07:24,000 | 他把所有的程序公文都PO出來 |
| 00:07:24,000 | 00:07:26,000 | 他監察院監察院幫他導師 |
| 00:07:26,000 | 00:07:28,000 | 所以 |
| 00:07:28,000 | 00:07:30,000 | 就像 |
| 00:07:30,000 | 00:07:32,000 | 剛才我們被提名人收工 |
| 00:07:32,000 | 00:07:34,000 | 如果大家對監察院有不滿 |
| 00:07:34,000 | 00:07:36,000 | 那我們應該是要求 |
| 00:07:36,000 | 00:07:38,000 | 包括你未來要做院長 |
| 00:07:38,000 | 00:07:40,000 | 他給我們這個監委被提名人 |
| 00:07:40,000 | 00:07:42,000 | 我們要來改善 |
| 00:07:42,000 | 00:07:44,000 | 要改革監察院 |
| 00:07:44,000 | 00:07:46,000 | 監察院可以進步 |
| 00:07:46,000 | 00:07:47,000 | 其實監察院的形象是 |
| 00:07:47,000 | 00:07:49,000 | 從那邊開始不好 |
| 00:07:49,000 | 00:07:51,000 | 你知道嗎 羅副 民意調查 |
| 00:07:51,000 | 00:07:52,000 | 我不知道 |
| 00:07:52,000 | 00:07:54,000 | 台南市府你知道嗎 |
| 00:07:54,000 | 00:07:56,000 | 一般民眾認為 |
| 00:07:56,000 | 00:07:58,000 | 這是網路調查 |
| 00:07:58,000 | 00:07:59,000 | 那你 |
| 00:07:59,000 | 00:08:01,000 | 支不支持廢除監察院 |
| 00:08:01,000 | 00:08:03,000 | 高達快要七成 |
| 00:08:03,000 | 00:08:05,000 | 六十八%的人贊成 |
| 00:08:05,000 | 00:08:09,000 | 就是說一般人對監察院的印象其實不好 |
| 00:08:09,000 | 00:08:12,000 | 其實這個跟對立法院的滿意度差不多 |
| 00:08:12,000 | 00:08:13,000 | 差不多 |
| 00:08:13,000 | 00:08:15,000 | 將近七成不滿意 |
| 00:08:15,000 | 00:08:17,000 | 如果是你講的 |
| 00:08:17,000 | 00:08:18,000 | 如果說壞的要給他費度 |
| 00:08:18,000 | 00:08:20,000 | 這樣立法院也要先費度 |
| 00:08:21,000 | 00:08:23,000 | 所以應該是 |
| 00:08:23,000 | 00:08:25,000 | 我們要來要求你們 |
| 00:08:25,000 | 00:08:27,000 | 你們這次未來可能做院長 |
| 00:08:27,000 | 00:08:29,000 | 副院長做監委的人 |
| 00:08:29,000 | 00:08:31,000 | 你要怎麼來 |
| 00:08:31,000 | 00:08:34,000 | 第一 改善民眾對監察院的印象 |
| 00:08:34,000 | 00:08:36,000 | 你就有很古典的做法 |
| 00:08:36,000 | 00:08:38,000 | 你說要讓各位可以變成提交會 |
| 00:08:38,000 | 00:08:41,000 | 讓民眾了解說明監察院做什麼 |
| 00:08:41,000 | 00:08:46,000 | 還是說要怎麼來改善監察院的 |
| 00:08:46,000 | 00:08:49,000 | 讓民眾過去民眾的一些民怨 |
| 00:08:49,000 | 00:08:51,000 | 對我們部辦的所在 |
| 00:08:51,000 | 00:08:55,000 | 這個背景有什麼樣的補充嗎 |
| 00:08:56,000 | 00:08:59,000 | 我一直覺得那個調查官 |
| 00:08:59,000 | 00:09:02,000 | 或者調查人員的那個素質 |
| 00:09:02,000 | 00:09:04,000 | 跟人力要提升 |
| 00:09:04,000 | 00:09:07,000 | 因為監察委員只有二十幾個 |
| 00:09:07,000 | 00:09:10,000 | 又有七個在國家人權委員會 |
| 00:09:10,000 | 00:09:12,000 | 所以實際能辦案的人 |
| 00:09:12,000 | 00:09:16,000 | 他需要這些調查官跟調查人員的協助 |
| 00:09:16,000 | 00:09:18,000 | 所以如果他們的素質高 |
| 00:09:18,000 | 00:09:19,000 | 能力夠 |
| 00:09:19,000 | 00:09:22,000 | 可以再多辦很多的案子 |
| 00:09:22,000 | 00:09:24,000 | 這個是一個重點 |
| 00:09:24,000 | 00:09:27,000 | 第二個我想就是民間的團體 |
| 00:09:27,000 | 00:09:30,000 | 或者民間的力量要引入 |
| 00:09:30,000 | 00:09:34,000 | 那監察院也可以跟行政單位的某一些 |
| 00:09:34,000 | 00:09:37,000 | 像剛剛講政風機構連證署合作 |
| 00:09:37,000 | 00:09:40,000 | 也可以跟立法院在質詢的時候 |
| 00:09:40,000 | 00:09:43,000 | 所提出來的一些弊案去做主動的調查 |
| 00:09:43,000 | 00:09:45,000 | 這個都是可以努力的 |
| 00:09:45,000 | 00:09:49,000 | 其實你看你一年都萬五六十年 |
| 00:09:49,000 | 00:09:53,000 | 依照監察院目前監委和調查官 |
| 00:09:53,000 | 00:09:54,000 | 做事了 |
| 00:09:54,000 | 00:09:55,000 | 編制 |
| 00:09:55,000 | 00:09:57,000 | 這實在是負擔非常重 |
| 00:09:57,000 | 00:09:59,000 | 所以調查的品質 |
| 00:09:59,000 | 00:10:00,000 | 你說的多少好 |
| 00:10:00,000 | 00:10:03,000 | 這基本上就是一個限制 |
| 00:10:03,000 | 00:10:05,000 | 這就應該讓我們看法來改善 |
| 00:10:05,000 | 00:10:06,000 | 警察 |
| 00:10:06,000 | 00:10:09,000 | 不過圍攻盪的重點 |
| 00:10:09,000 | 00:10:12,000 | 在沒有修憲完成以前 |
| 00:10:12,000 | 00:10:15,000 | 監察院就是一個合法的憲政機關 |
| 00:10:15,000 | 00:10:17,000 | 它有非常必要性的功能 |
| 00:10:17,000 | 00:10:20,000 | 你不能亂花費去貪污 |
| 00:10:20,000 | 00:10:24,000 | 這第一個重大損害到人民的權利 |
| 00:10:24,000 | 00:10:28,000 | 所以我希望對於我們的被提名人 |
| 00:10:28,000 | 00:10:32,000 | 有很大的敬意和期許 |
| 00:10:35,000 | 00:10:37,000 | 好 謝謝林委員 |
| 00:10:37,000 | 00:10:38,000 | 現在我們請 |