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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:03,000 | 陳渣志委員請準備 |
| 00:00:17,000 | 00:00:21,000 | 主席好 還有在座各位委員好 |
| 00:00:21,000 | 00:00:25,000 | 然後有請陳貝廷林人 |
| 00:00:25,000 | 00:00:30,000 | 陳醫師你好 |
| 00:00:30,000 | 00:00:36,000 | 我想上週立法院有舉辦監察委員的審查公聽會 |
| 00:00:36,000 | 00:00:39,000 | 當時許多專家學者都指出 |
| 00:00:39,000 | 00:00:42,000 | 這次賴清德總統提名的監委的名單 |
| 00:00:42,000 | 00:00:44,000 | 政治色彩濃厚 |
| 00:00:44,000 | 00:00:46,000 | 專業配置失衡 |
| 00:00:46,000 | 00:00:50,000 | 基本上沒有一個工程背景的貝廷林人 |
| 00:00:50,000 | 00:00:56,000 | 也沒有相關財經專場有關背景的貝廷林人 |
| 00:00:56,000 | 00:00:58,000 | 也相當有限 |
| 00:00:58,000 | 00:01:02,000 | 許多的貝廷林人甚至很難以達到憲法上面 |
| 00:01:02,000 | 00:01:04,000 | 對於監察委員所要求的 |
| 00:01:04,000 | 00:01:07,000 | 要具備專業性、中立性和獨立性 |
| 00:01:07,000 | 00:01:09,000 | 外界同樣也質疑 |
| 00:01:09,000 | 00:01:12,000 | 其實賴清德總統他提出的這份監委的名單 |
| 00:01:12,000 | 00:01:15,000 | 基本上擺明了其實就是犧牲黨 |
| 00:01:15,000 | 00:01:19,000 | 因為不太可能會全數通過 |
| 00:01:19,000 | 00:01:23,000 | 不過看起來賴總統也毫不在乎 |
| 00:01:23,000 | 00:01:24,000 | 也無所謂 |
| 00:01:24,000 | 00:01:27,000 | 因為他重要的目的就是要把在野黨貼上 |
| 00:01:27,000 | 00:01:31,000 | 是杯葛、改革、然後癱瘓政府的標籤 |
| 00:01:31,000 | 00:01:36,000 | 為年底的選舉增添天才加油 |
| 00:01:36,000 | 00:01:39,000 | 也不是在尋求憲政機關適當的人選 |
| 00:01:39,000 | 00:01:41,000 | 不過儘管如此 |
| 00:01:41,000 | 00:01:44,000 | 我們雖然說這份名單本身看起來不是很滿意 |
| 00:01:44,000 | 00:01:47,000 | 可是基於作為立法委員的職責 |
| 00:01:47,000 | 00:01:53,000 | 我還是要嚴謹的來審查監察委員被提名人的資格條件 |
| 00:01:53,000 | 00:01:57,000 | 那麼在這邊我首先想要講的就是說 |
| 00:01:57,000 | 00:02:02,000 | 其實被提名陳醫師您也曾經擔任過立法委員 |
| 00:02:02,000 | 00:02:06,000 | 大概都知道說我們作為中華民國政府的官員 |
| 00:02:06,000 | 00:02:11,000 | 最重要的就是要對中華民國憲法忠誠 |
| 00:02:11,000 | 00:02:13,000 | 要對中華民國效忠 |
| 00:02:13,000 | 00:02:15,000 | 我想這是必備的要件 |
| 00:02:15,000 | 00:02:22,000 | 可是陳醫師就是外界都稱呼您是這個獨派的醫師 |
| 00:02:22,000 | 00:02:29,000 | 您長期主張台灣人共同要追求建立一個新而獨立的國家 |
| 00:02:29,000 | 00:02:33,000 | 那過去也曾經發起過新的台灣人運動 |
| 00:02:33,000 | 00:02:38,000 | 並且批評中華民國的名稱是無法代表台灣 |
| 00:02:38,000 | 00:02:45,000 | 而且難以接受中華民國這個虛幻且看不到未來的稱號 |
| 00:02:45,000 | 00:02:47,000 | 所以本席在此想要請教就是說 |
| 00:02:47,000 | 00:02:52,000 | 您到現在是否依然堅定支持台灣獨立運動 |
| 00:02:52,000 | 00:02:55,000 | 並建立以台灣為名的國家 |
| 00:02:55,000 | 00:03:03,000 | 我一直是一個台灣本土意識很強的醫師 |
| 00:03:03,000 | 00:03:07,000 | 過去在戒嚴沒有解除以前 |
| 00:03:07,000 | 00:03:14,000 | 中華民國沒有人權保障沒有言論自由一黨獨大 |
| 00:03:14,000 | 00:03:17,000 | 那個時候我就很不能認同 |
| 00:03:17,000 | 00:03:22,000 | 但是我一生只有一本中華民國的護照 |
| 00:03:22,000 | 00:03:24,000 | 我只有中華民國的身分證 |
| 00:03:24,000 | 00:03:29,000 | 所以對於中華民國我很贊同現在賴總統說的 |
| 00:03:29,000 | 00:03:32,000 | 中華民國跟台灣已經融合了 |
| 00:03:32,000 | 00:03:34,000 | 幾十年來我們共同的努力 |
| 00:03:34,000 | 00:03:40,000 | 現在中華民國已經是一個自由民主開放的一個國家 |
| 00:03:40,000 | 00:03:41,000 | 多元的社會 |
| 00:03:41,000 | 00:03:44,000 | 您的意思是說您現在已經放棄了台獨 |
| 00:03:44,000 | 00:03:49,000 | 放棄了以建立台灣共和國為目的的這樣的一個目標嗎 |
| 00:03:49,000 | 00:03:50,000 | 我不是說放棄 |
| 00:03:50,000 | 00:03:54,000 | 這是個人的一個政治理念跟信仰跟理想 |
| 00:03:54,000 | 00:04:00,000 | 但是目前的中華民國我還是根據五權憲法 |
| 00:04:00,000 | 00:04:03,000 | 能夠行使五權憲法的職權 |
| 00:04:03,000 | 00:04:07,000 | 我進入監察院我照樣是維護中華民國的憲政體制 |
| 00:04:07,000 | 00:04:11,000 | 因為您今天在這個會場上面的談話 |
| 00:04:11,000 | 00:04:17,000 | 跟您過去在其他的媒體或其他的這個活動場合裡面的言論 |
| 00:04:17,000 | 00:04:20,000 | 基本上是很不相同的 |
| 00:04:20,000 | 00:04:22,000 | 那麼我想就是您應該知道 |
| 00:04:22,000 | 00:04:27,000 | 您一旦獲准能夠擔任中華民國監察院的院長 |
| 00:04:27,000 | 00:04:31,000 | 就必須要宣誓要克遵中華民國憲法 |
| 00:04:31,000 | 00:04:34,000 | 要宣誓要效忠中華民國 |
| 00:04:34,000 | 00:04:36,000 | 您會說到做到嗎 |
| 00:04:36,000 | 00:04:37,000 | 你說什麼 |
| 00:04:37,000 | 00:04:40,000 | 就是如果你擔任監察院的院長 |
| 00:04:40,000 | 00:04:42,000 | 你必須要宣誓 |
| 00:04:42,000 | 00:04:44,000 | 宣誓效忠中華民國 |
| 00:04:44,000 | 00:04:46,000 | 宣誓要克遵中華民國憲法 |
| 00:04:46,000 | 00:04:47,000 | 你可以做到嗎 |
| 00:04:47,000 | 00:04:51,000 | 這不會跟你的這個政治信仰有所違背 |
| 00:04:51,000 | 00:04:52,000 | 我不覺得 |
| 00:04:52,000 | 00:04:53,000 | 你不覺得 |
| 00:04:53,000 | 00:04:54,000 | 是 |
| 00:04:54,000 | 00:04:56,000 | 所以呢你接下來就是說 |
| 00:04:56,000 | 00:05:01,000 | 你基本上就是如果擔任監察院院長 |
| 00:05:01,000 | 00:05:05,000 | 你認為說你可以拋棄你的這個台獨的這個政治信仰 |
| 00:05:05,000 | 00:05:09,000 | 然後好好的做一個效忠中華民國憲法 |
| 00:05:09,000 | 00:05:13,000 | 而且認為現在中華民國是具有合法代表性的 |
| 00:05:13,000 | 00:05:15,000 | 這樣的一個監察院院長是嗎 |
| 00:05:15,000 | 00:05:19,000 | 對我想我剛剛有說到我不是要拋棄 |
| 00:05:19,000 | 00:05:22,000 | 我是覺得中華民國現在跟台灣已經結合 |
| 00:05:22,000 | 00:05:25,000 | 2300萬人是一個共同命運體 |
| 00:05:25,000 | 00:05:27,000 | 那我們要維護中華民國 |
| 00:05:27,000 | 00:05:30,000 | 不被中華人民共和國所併吞 |
| 00:05:30,000 | 00:05:33,000 | 維護這個中華民國的主權存在 |
| 00:05:33,000 | 00:05:34,000 | 謝謝陳醫師 |
| 00:05:34,000 | 00:05:36,000 | 我想就是說你今天這樣的想法 |
| 00:05:36,000 | 00:05:38,000 | 不管這種說法 |
| 00:05:38,000 | 00:05:40,000 | 我想不管是獨派或是統派 |
| 00:05:40,000 | 00:05:43,000 | 大多數的民眾可能無法接受像您這樣子 |
| 00:05:43,000 | 00:05:48,000 | 表裡不一言行不一的人來擔任監察院院長 |
| 00:05:49,000 | 00:05:55,000 | 那您可以今天為了就是這個監察院院長的這樣一個名氣名利 |
| 00:05:55,000 | 00:05:57,000 | 拋棄長久的堅持 |
| 00:05:57,000 | 00:05:59,000 | 我想對於很多人來講 |
| 00:05:59,000 | 00:06:04,000 | 這個不是一種人格分裂可能就是代表一種利益信心 |
| 00:06:04,000 | 00:06:06,000 | 我想中華民國的內涵已經改變了 |
| 00:06:06,000 | 00:06:09,000 | 過去的中華民國也不是現在的中華民國 |
| 00:06:09,000 | 00:06:15,000 | 以前的中華民國是要包括中國大陸還要反攻大陸 |
| 00:06:15,000 | 00:06:18,000 | 現在的國民黨也不講這個東西了 |
| 00:06:18,000 | 00:06:20,000 | 所以中華民國已經實質改變了 |
| 00:06:20,000 | 00:06:22,000 | 陳院長陳北廷議員 |
| 00:06:22,000 | 00:06:25,000 | 我想就是就這個議題來講 |
| 00:06:25,000 | 00:06:28,000 | 我們其實因為從您過去的言行到現在 |
| 00:06:28,000 | 00:06:31,000 | 到您今天進入到立法院這個議場 |
| 00:06:31,000 | 00:06:34,000 | 之前的所有的談話我們都很清楚 |
| 00:06:34,000 | 00:06:40,000 | 您甚至當時還批評蔡英文說她把民進黨變成這個中華民國派 |
| 00:06:40,000 | 00:06:43,000 | 把民進黨變成這個是國民黨化 |
| 00:06:43,000 | 00:06:45,000 | 像這樣子的一個言論 |
| 00:06:45,000 | 00:06:49,000 | 基本上在您今天剛跟您對談之前 |
| 00:06:49,000 | 00:06:53,000 | 大家覺得說您應該是一個堅定的台獨信仰者 |
| 00:06:53,000 | 00:06:56,000 | 怎麼為了今天這個監察院院長的這個職位 |
| 00:06:56,000 | 00:07:01,000 | 就可以從台獨派華民轉身成為中華民國派 |
| 00:07:01,000 | 00:07:05,000 | 我想這個部分的話是大家可能比較沒有辦法 |
| 00:07:05,000 | 00:07:08,000 | 可能是無法接受的一件事情 |
| 00:07:08,000 | 00:07:11,000 | 因為這個真的在我看起來您不是具有多重人格 |
| 00:07:11,000 | 00:07:13,000 | 要不然就是說可能為了這些名利 |
| 00:07:13,000 | 00:07:16,000 | 你可以拋棄你過去長久以來一些心感 |
| 00:07:16,000 | 00:07:18,000 | 我從來不追求個人的名利 |
| 00:07:18,000 | 00:07:21,000 | 好那接下來我想請教您就是說 |
| 00:07:21,000 | 00:07:23,000 | 因為您被提名為監察院院長 |
| 00:07:23,000 | 00:07:26,000 | 那麼對於這個到底未來監察院何去何從 |
| 00:07:26,000 | 00:07:28,000 | 要不要廢除的這個議題 |
| 00:07:28,000 | 00:07:31,000 | 本席基本上看了您的一些說明 |
| 00:07:31,000 | 00:07:33,000 | 基本上您是樂觀其成對不對 |
| 00:07:33,000 | 00:07:35,000 | 這個廢除監察院 |
| 00:07:35,000 | 00:07:37,000 | 要看怎麼廢 |
| 00:07:37,000 | 00:07:39,000 | 要看怎麼廢 |
| 00:07:39,000 | 00:07:41,000 | 就是監察院怎麼轉移 |
| 00:07:41,000 | 00:07:44,000 | 這個是要有很詳細的配套 |
| 00:07:44,000 | 00:07:46,000 | 所以基本上我想 |
| 00:07:46,000 | 00:07:48,000 | 不是一句話廢就廢 |
| 00:07:48,000 | 00:07:50,000 | 好陳秉霖陳醫師是這樣 |
| 00:07:50,000 | 00:07:53,000 | 六年前我想陳菊也曾經說過 |
| 00:07:53,000 | 00:07:56,000 | 他期許自己是最後一任的監察院院長 |
| 00:07:56,000 | 00:07:59,000 | 完成最後任務之後就會光榮離開 |
| 00:07:59,000 | 00:08:01,000 | 但是很遺憾的是我們看到陳菊院長 |
| 00:08:01,000 | 00:08:04,000 | 他不但沒有完成終極任務 |
| 00:08:04,000 | 00:08:07,000 | 他不但沒有完成終結監察院的使命 |
| 00:08:07,000 | 00:08:09,000 | 成為末代的院長 |
| 00:08:09,000 | 00:08:11,000 | 反倒是創下了中華民國 |
| 00:08:11,000 | 00:08:14,000 | 由始以來請假最長的監察院院長 |
| 00:08:14,000 | 00:08:15,000 | 和政務官員 |
| 00:08:15,000 | 00:08:17,000 | 他請假超過一年 |
| 00:08:17,000 | 00:08:19,000 | 那他請病假是請好請滿 |
| 00:08:19,000 | 00:08:21,000 | 而且佔的位置又不做事 |
| 00:08:21,000 | 00:08:24,000 | 所以基本上就把監察院當成了養老院 |
| 00:08:24,000 | 00:08:27,000 | 那所以本席在此要請教您的是 |
| 00:08:27,000 | 00:08:30,000 | 您是抱著什麼樣的心態來擔任監察院院長 |
| 00:08:30,000 | 00:08:32,000 | 是像陳菊院長一樣嗎 |
| 00:08:32,000 | 00:08:35,000 | 然後把自己期許為是一個末代院長 |
| 00:08:35,000 | 00:08:38,000 | 然後之後可以廢掉這個監察院 |
| 00:08:38,000 | 00:08:40,000 | 還有第二個問題就是 |
| 00:08:40,000 | 00:08:44,000 | 有了像陳菊這種一年都沒有來上班 |
| 00:08:44,000 | 00:08:46,000 | 他請假請到現任這個前例 |
| 00:08:46,000 | 00:08:48,000 | 現在大家都會很擔心說 |
| 00:08:48,000 | 00:08:51,000 | 萬一有個院長也如法炮製 |
| 00:08:51,000 | 00:08:53,000 | 然後長期請假不來上班 |
| 00:08:53,000 | 00:08:54,000 | 也不請辭 |
| 00:08:54,000 | 00:08:57,000 | 讓院長的職缺可以空缺一年 |
| 00:08:57,000 | 00:09:00,000 | 那您認為陳菊這樣的做法是否可取 |
| 00:09:00,000 | 00:09:02,000 | 那政務人員未來請假 |
| 00:09:02,000 | 00:09:05,000 | 是不是應該要有所期間的限制 |
| 00:09:05,000 | 00:09:06,000 | 如果是您 |
| 00:09:06,000 | 00:09:07,000 | 您會像陳菊一樣 |
| 00:09:07,000 | 00:09:10,000 | 萬一有假設這有請病假的時候 |
| 00:09:10,000 | 00:09:12,000 | 你會像他一樣請好請滿嗎 |
| 00:09:12,000 | 00:09:14,000 | 第一個過去六年 |
| 00:09:14,000 | 00:09:17,000 | 因為朝野沒有啟動修憲的程序 |
| 00:09:17,000 | 00:09:19,000 | 所以監察院沒有被廢 |
| 00:09:19,000 | 00:09:21,000 | 那這個不是監察院的問題 |
| 00:09:21,000 | 00:09:22,000 | 因為修憲的 |
| 00:09:22,000 | 00:09:24,000 | 請問您是什麼樣的心態 |
| 00:09:24,000 | 00:09:26,000 | 您會期許自己是一個末代院長嗎 |
| 00:09:26,000 | 00:09:29,000 | 我希望我是監察院的改革者 |
| 00:09:29,000 | 00:09:33,000 | 至於監察院的終結者應該是全民 |
| 00:09:33,000 | 00:09:35,000 | 那第二個請假的問題 |
| 00:09:35,000 | 00:09:37,000 | 我如果自己身體不健康 |
| 00:09:37,000 | 00:09:39,000 | 我馬上請辭 |
| 00:09:39,000 | 00:09:40,000 | 事實上 |
| 00:09:40,000 | 00:09:41,000 | 你不會像陳菊這樣嘛對不對 |
| 00:09:41,000 | 00:09:43,000 | 請假請了超過一年 |
| 00:09:43,000 | 00:09:47,000 | 我沒有想說一定要做監察院長 |
| 00:09:47,000 | 00:09:49,000 | 但是我既然做監察院長 |
| 00:09:49,000 | 00:09:50,000 | 我就要改革監察院 |
| 00:09:50,000 | 00:09:53,000 | 讓監察院成為民眾深淵 |
| 00:09:53,000 | 00:09:55,000 | 真的公義得以彰顯之地 |
| 00:09:55,000 | 00:09:57,000 | 不能花費這樣的功能 |
| 00:09:57,000 | 00:09:58,000 | 我也不想做 |
| 00:09:58,000 | 00:10:00,000 | 好謝謝陳培廷秘人 |
| 00:10:00,000 | 00:10:02,000 | 我覺得從您的說法裡面 |
| 00:10:02,000 | 00:10:06,000 | 基本上我是對於您對陳菊的這種做法 |
| 00:10:06,000 | 00:10:08,000 | 認為是一個不可取不值得效法的做法 |
| 00:10:08,000 | 00:10:12,000 | 本席值得對您的意見 |
| 00:10:12,000 | 00:10:13,000 | 我沒有這樣批評 |
| 00:10:13,000 | 00:10:14,000 | 我是說我自己 |
| 00:10:14,000 | 00:10:16,000 | 基本上但是本席還是希望 |
| 00:10:16,000 | 00:10:20,000 | 假設有一天可以擔任監察院長的話 |
| 00:10:20,000 | 00:10:21,000 | 應該要效忠中華民國 |
| 00:10:21,000 | 00:10:23,000 | 以上謝謝 |