iVOD / 170853
本逐字稿內容由 AI 自動生成，可能包含錯誤、遺漏或誤譯之處。請使用者務必與原始影片音訊內容交叉比對，以確保資訊正確性。另可參考立法院日後釋出的正式公報以取得最終權威版本。
林岱樺 @ 第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第22次全體委員會議
| Start Time | End Time | Text |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:02,000 | 嗯 |
| 00:00:09,000 | 00:00:10,000 | 好 |
| 00:00:10,500 | 00:00:12,000 | 有請部長 |
| 00:00:12,000 | 00:00:14,000 | 好請示部長 |
| 00:00:17,000 | 00:00:18,000 | 好 議委員好 |
| 00:00:18,000 | 00:00:19,000 | 好 本席呢 |
| 00:00:19,000 | 00:00:22,000 | 由以這個修正動議的提案 |
| 00:00:22,000 | 00:00:25,000 | 希望在這個食安法當中導入 |
| 00:00:25,000 | 00:00:27,000 | 這個GS1 Summarize 2027 |
| 00:00:27,000 | 00:00:31,000 | 來健全台灣食品安全稽查的數位透鏡 |
| 00:00:31,000 | 00:00:34,000 | 好 那這個現在我們稽查呢 |
| 00:00:34,000 | 00:00:35,000 | 有三大瓶頸 |
| 00:00:35,000 | 00:00:37,000 | 第一個 資本跟數據的短程 |
| 00:00:37,000 | 00:00:40,000 | 第二個是 意為條碼的資訊限制 |
| 00:00:40,000 | 00:00:43,000 | 第三個是 擴大處置的成本的高昂 |
| 00:00:43,000 | 00:00:45,000 | 資本跟數據的斷層 |
| 00:00:45,000 | 00:00:48,000 | 這邊呢 現場是仰賴業者的 |
| 00:00:48,000 | 00:00:50,000 | 資本的帳策人工對帳 |
| 00:00:50,000 | 00:00:53,000 | 遇到隱匿或身包不實人的時候 |
| 00:00:53,000 | 00:00:56,000 | 調閱與跨場比對極度耗時 |
| 00:00:56,000 | 00:00:59,000 | 我們的意為條碼的資訊的辨識 |
| 00:00:59,000 | 00:01:00,000 | 它只能針對品類 |
| 00:01:00,000 | 00:01:05,000 | 無法記載特定的批號跟有效日期 |
| 00:01:05,000 | 00:01:08,000 | 那再來就是我們擴大處置成本的高昂 |
| 00:01:08,000 | 00:01:11,000 | 無法精準定位污染的批號 |
| 00:01:11,000 | 00:01:13,000 | 所以造成了合規的廠商 |
| 00:01:13,000 | 00:01:16,000 | 嚴重的損失與消費恐慌 |
| 00:01:16,000 | 00:01:19,000 | 部長您覺得現在行政院 |
| 00:01:19,000 | 00:01:20,000 | 跟各立委的提案 |
| 00:01:20,000 | 00:01:24,000 | 可以解決這個現場稽查的三大瓶頸嗎 |
| 00:01:24,000 | 00:01:27,000 | 確實委員提到的這個是 |
| 00:01:27,000 | 00:01:29,000 | 現在確實這樣 |
| 00:01:29,000 | 00:01:31,000 | 像譬如說第一個 |
| 00:01:31,000 | 00:01:34,000 | 雖然我們現在在推動用電子發票 |
| 00:01:34,000 | 00:01:37,000 | 直接去勾集 |
| 00:01:37,000 | 00:01:40,000 | 但是也還沒有辦法完全都數位化 |
| 00:01:40,000 | 00:01:42,000 | 我們現在還是雙軌並行 |
| 00:01:42,000 | 00:01:44,000 | 所以還是有紙本申報的情形 |
| 00:01:44,000 | 00:01:48,000 | 那這個就可能造成資料的不正確 |
| 00:01:48,000 | 00:01:51,000 | 或者是延誤會比較慢 |
| 00:01:52,000 | 00:01:54,000 | 所以這三大瓶頸是目前 |
| 00:01:54,000 | 00:01:57,000 | 即使修法通過也沒有辦法解決的嗎 |
| 00:01:57,000 | 00:02:00,000 | 好來那本行就具體建議 |
| 00:02:00,000 | 00:02:03,000 | 我先介紹GS1 Summarize 2027的概念 |
| 00:02:03,000 | 00:02:06,000 | 介紹其實我倡議這個制度 |
| 00:02:06,000 | 00:02:08,000 | 這個是我歷經第三個委員會 |
| 00:02:08,000 | 00:02:11,000 | 我從經濟委員會到財政委員會的倡議 |
| 00:02:11,000 | 00:02:13,000 | 包括到現在的會航委員會 |
| 00:02:13,000 | 00:02:15,000 | 什麼叫做Summarize 2027呢 |
| 00:02:15,000 | 00:02:18,000 | 它其實是一個二維QR code |
| 00:02:18,000 | 00:02:19,000 | 那它的特色就兩點 |
| 00:02:19,000 | 00:02:21,000 | 一個是線上溯源 |
| 00:02:21,000 | 00:02:26,000 | 第二個它從原料生產加工運輸配送到回收 |
| 00:02:26,000 | 00:02:28,000 | 完整都物聯網化了 |
| 00:02:28,000 | 00:02:32,000 | 所以它能夠在核心的目標跟變革上 |
| 00:02:32,000 | 00:02:34,000 | 全面的升級2D條碼 |
| 00:02:34,000 | 00:02:36,000 | 所以它能夠讓這個在收銀端 |
| 00:02:36,000 | 00:02:38,000 | 最消費者端讀取的能力 |
| 00:02:38,000 | 00:02:40,000 | 它也攜帶更多的數據 |
| 00:02:40,000 | 00:02:42,000 | 而不是純粹是有品項而已 |
| 00:02:42,000 | 00:02:45,000 | 它能夠包括你儲存的批號 |
| 00:02:45,000 | 00:02:47,000 | 有效日期及序號 |
| 00:02:47,000 | 00:02:51,000 | 比如說我們這次的大黃豆的進口 |
| 00:02:51,000 | 00:02:53,000 | 到底出問題的是哪一批呢 |
| 00:02:53,000 | 00:02:57,000 | 我們如果導入了這樣的二維條碼的情況之下 |
| 00:02:57,000 | 00:02:58,000 | 是查得出來的 |
| 00:02:58,000 | 00:03:01,000 | 所以會提升消費的體驗 |
| 00:03:01,000 | 00:03:03,000 | 那對企業跟供應鏈的影響是 |
| 00:03:03,000 | 00:03:06,000 | 我如果導入這個Summarize 2027的話 |
| 00:03:06,000 | 00:03:09,000 | 那這個供應鏈的精準管理 |
| 00:03:09,000 | 00:03:11,000 | 我會更精準的追蹤產品的有效 |
| 00:03:11,000 | 00:03:13,000 | 及減少食物的浪費 |
| 00:03:13,000 | 00:03:14,000 | 跟過期下架的損失 |
| 00:03:14,000 | 00:03:16,000 | 對防偽跟安全的追溯 |
| 00:03:16,000 | 00:03:18,000 | 可以透過序號的追蹤產品的來源 |
| 00:03:18,000 | 00:03:21,000 | 防止假貨並確保食品安全 |
| 00:03:21,000 | 00:03:24,000 | 第三個這個系統跟軟硬體的改造 |
| 00:03:24,000 | 00:03:27,000 | 這也就是所有的我們的產業提升 |
| 00:03:27,000 | 00:03:30,000 | 零售商跟品牌商必須更新硬體 |
| 00:03:30,000 | 00:03:34,000 | 這個掃描機以及這個軟體POSE的系統 |
| 00:03:34,000 | 00:03:38,000 | 否則面臨無法刷出商品跟鍛鍊 |
| 00:03:38,000 | 00:03:39,000 | 還要提的一點 |
| 00:03:39,000 | 00:03:43,000 | 就是我們現在的QR code是貼上去的 |
| 00:03:43,000 | 00:03:45,000 | 未來沒有貼這件事情 |
| 00:03:45,000 | 00:03:49,000 | 直接烙印每一個P號你的過程 |
| 00:03:49,000 | 00:03:52,000 | 甚至在烘焙的過程它是幾度 |
| 00:03:52,000 | 00:03:54,000 | 它的氣壓是多少 |
| 00:03:54,000 | 00:03:57,000 | 全部都可以在這個二維條碼登載的 |
| 00:03:57,000 | 00:03:59,000 | 而且通通都是物聯網的 |
| 00:03:59,000 | 00:04:02,000 | 所以真的如果發生事情的時候 |
| 00:04:02,000 | 00:04:05,000 | 我都可以只要一鍵按下你都可以查掉 |
| 00:04:05,000 | 00:04:09,000 | 剛才的稽查的所有的困境完全解決 |
| 00:04:09,000 | 00:04:12,000 | 好那這個食品安全稽查的流程的轉型 |
| 00:04:12,000 | 00:04:15,000 | 我分作現在傳統的食安稽查的模式 |
| 00:04:15,000 | 00:04:18,000 | 跟我導入SALURAZE 2020的快速溯源 |
| 00:04:18,000 | 00:04:20,000 | 針對在這幾個面向 |
| 00:04:20,000 | 00:04:21,000 | 行前的準備 |
| 00:04:21,000 | 00:04:24,000 | 之前現況是系統跟紙本的比對 |
| 00:04:24,000 | 00:04:26,000 | 未來就是勾選預設 |
| 00:04:26,000 | 00:04:28,000 | 綁定2D條碼的動態履歷 |
| 00:04:28,000 | 00:04:33,000 | 現場的核對在現況是人工足箱目視掃描 |
| 00:04:33,000 | 00:04:35,000 | 未來是守著你的設備 |
| 00:04:35,000 | 00:04:39,000 | 秒級掃描帶出P號的效期 |
| 00:04:39,000 | 00:04:41,000 | 供應鏈的這個溯源 |
| 00:04:41,000 | 00:04:45,000 | 供應鏈的溯源現在是發函跟上測的比對 |
| 00:04:45,000 | 00:04:47,000 | 我必須花了好幾天 |
| 00:04:47,000 | 00:04:50,000 | 那未來我只要單點的掃描 |
| 00:04:50,000 | 00:04:52,000 | 聯網的穿透上下 |
| 00:04:52,000 | 00:04:55,000 | 有一鍵按下幾秒全部通通掃到 |
| 00:04:55,000 | 00:04:57,000 | 包括異常預警 |
| 00:04:57,000 | 00:04:59,000 | 這個是各個委員提案當中最重要的 |
| 00:04:59,000 | 00:05:02,000 | 至現在我們是人工通報存在時間差 |
| 00:05:02,000 | 00:05:06,000 | 未來我就是POSE的系統及時阻斷 |
| 00:05:06,000 | 00:05:08,000 | 我們在這個行政作業現場 |
| 00:05:08,000 | 00:05:12,000 | 現在是現場手抄防防打字 |
| 00:05:12,000 | 00:05:16,000 | 未來是掃描定位自動會的電子簽商 |
| 00:05:16,000 | 00:05:17,000 | 最重要的作業時間 |
| 00:05:17,000 | 00:05:20,000 | 也就現在我們查了兩個多月了 |
| 00:05:20,000 | 00:05:22,000 | 這樣監理盲區 |
| 00:05:22,000 | 00:05:25,000 | 還在查未來的作業時間裡的 |
| 00:05:25,000 | 00:05:27,000 | 單場的稽查是3到6個小時 |
| 00:05:27,000 | 00:05:30,000 | 未來會減少在半小時內就會完成 |
| 00:05:30,000 | 00:05:32,000 | 完整的溯源我可能花到3到7天 |
| 00:05:32,000 | 00:05:35,000 | 未來就是一個這個半分鐘到半小時內 |
| 00:05:35,000 | 00:05:37,000 | 我就可以完成了 |
| 00:05:37,000 | 00:05:40,000 | 好我就以這樣的一個系統導入之後的 |
| 00:05:40,000 | 00:05:44,000 | 現在過往跟現在的未來跟現在的比較 |
| 00:05:44,000 | 00:05:47,000 | 以中聯獨有案現況是什麼 |
| 00:05:47,000 | 00:05:51,000 | 下游5月異常我6月底通報到現在了 |
| 00:05:51,000 | 00:05:54,000 | 5月6月兩個月的監理盲區 |
| 00:05:54,000 | 00:05:57,000 | 民眾完全都在不知的狀況 |
| 00:05:57,000 | 00:06:00,000 | 政府中央地方互相也在不知的狀況 |
| 00:06:00,000 | 00:06:02,000 | 互相的在指責對方 |
| 00:06:02,000 | 00:06:04,000 | 那也動員了數十名的稽查員 |
| 00:06:04,000 | 00:06:09,000 | 人工翻閱賬冊比對30P有耗時了12天 |
| 00:06:09,000 | 00:06:12,000 | 以及第三個我們現數百項的遊品 |
| 00:06:12,000 | 00:06:16,000 | 全系統的預防性下降造成社會恐慌 |
| 00:06:16,000 | 00:06:19,000 | 如果我導入GS1三位2027的話 |
| 00:06:19,000 | 00:06:21,000 | 可以預估的效應是什麼 |
| 00:06:21,000 | 00:06:24,000 | 第一個我可以通報縮短自到即時 |
| 00:06:24,000 | 00:06:26,000 | 第二個我的因為掃描了 |
| 00:06:26,000 | 00:06:30,000 | 我一秒可以抓取的這個P號 |
| 00:06:30,000 | 00:06:34,000 | 現場核對有12天降到15到30分鐘 |
| 00:06:34,000 | 00:06:38,000 | 那問題P號的註冊全台Post |
| 00:06:38,000 | 00:06:42,000 | 直接鎖定拒刷避免良品的下架 |
| 00:06:42,000 | 00:06:44,000 | 好這樣的消費者對民眾來講 |
| 00:06:44,000 | 00:06:46,000 | 我可以達到什麼的目的 |
| 00:06:46,000 | 00:06:49,000 | 我可以讓民眾消除焦慮 |
| 00:06:49,000 | 00:06:52,000 | 他可以在即使他買了回到家裡 |
| 00:06:52,000 | 00:06:54,000 | 現在發生了這個食安事件 |
| 00:06:54,000 | 00:06:58,000 | 我只要用手機附有這個相機的 |
| 00:06:58,000 | 00:06:59,000 | 我就掃描之後 |
| 00:06:59,000 | 00:07:01,000 | 我就知道我這個P號 |
| 00:07:01,000 | 00:07:04,000 | 是不是屬於這個這個這個危險的P號 |
| 00:07:04,000 | 00:07:06,000 | 第二個我可以安心購物 |
| 00:07:06,000 | 00:07:09,000 | 即使我上架了 |
| 00:07:09,000 | 00:07:10,000 | 但是還來不及下架 |
| 00:07:10,000 | 00:07:14,000 | 我買了我的Post系統終結端 |
| 00:07:14,000 | 00:07:16,000 | 收銀結帳端 |
| 00:07:16,000 | 00:07:18,000 | 我也自動的攔截了 |
| 00:07:18,000 | 00:07:19,000 | 我自會消費 |
| 00:07:19,000 | 00:07:20,000 | 我單一的掃描 |
| 00:07:20,000 | 00:07:22,000 | 即可連結產銷領域 |
| 00:07:22,000 | 00:07:26,000 | SGS的這個檢驗報告 |
| 00:07:26,000 | 00:07:27,000 | 跟過敏源的訊息 |
| 00:07:27,000 | 00:07:32,000 | 全部消費者都可以一鍵就可以了解 |
| 00:07:32,000 | 00:07:34,000 | 轉被動接收為主動查核 |
| 00:07:34,000 | 00:07:37,000 | 好我現在導入Sumrise 2027的 |
| 00:07:37,000 | 00:07:39,000 | 各階段的人力負荷的變化 |
| 00:07:39,000 | 00:07:41,000 | 目前我們的人力是多吃緊 |
| 00:07:41,000 | 00:07:46,000 | 一年60萬的進口食品總批是60萬 |
| 00:07:46,000 | 00:07:49,000 | 邊境把關的查驗專業人力是多少 |
| 00:07:49,000 | 00:07:50,000 | 100萬人 |
| 00:07:50,000 | 00:07:53,000 | 包括現在就是你們食藥署很吃重的 |
| 00:07:53,000 | 00:07:55,000 | 在我們全台後市場的 |
| 00:07:55,000 | 00:07:58,000 | 稽查總能力中央地方加起來400個 |
| 00:07:58,000 | 00:08:03,000 | 要針對我們號稱汪洋大海的美食王國 |
| 00:08:03,000 | 00:08:05,000 | 猝食萬家的小吃攤 |
| 00:08:05,000 | 00:08:08,000 | 你們還要兼辦藥品化妝品 |
| 00:08:08,000 | 00:08:10,000 | 就靠這400個 |
| 00:08:10,000 | 00:08:12,000 | 如果我Sumrise 2027導入的時候 |
| 00:08:12,000 | 00:08:16,000 | 前期我們也分店風險分級 |
| 00:08:16,000 | 00:08:20,000 | 鎖定這個大宗的B2B的原料 |
| 00:08:20,000 | 00:08:24,000 | 油品廠來做學習新信口 |
| 00:08:24,000 | 00:08:26,000 | 負荷量也許會上升 |
| 00:08:26,000 | 00:08:27,000 | 但是我這個稽查能力 |
| 00:08:27,000 | 00:08:31,000 | 當大家初期跟過度稽轉型之後的後續 |
| 00:08:31,000 | 00:08:35,000 | 我稽查的時間縮短50%以上 |
| 00:08:35,000 | 00:08:40,000 | 避免自動帶入系統免重複登達 |
| 00:08:40,000 | 00:08:42,000 | 我整體的稽查能力可以大大下降 |
| 00:08:42,000 | 00:08:44,000 | 40%到60% |
| 00:08:44,000 | 00:08:46,000 | 如果是這樣之後 |
| 00:08:46,000 | 00:08:48,000 | 我後端的稽查的 |
| 00:08:48,000 | 00:08:50,000 | 行政官員的稽查配套是什麼 |
| 00:08:50,000 | 00:08:55,000 | 在我已經完成原料生產加工運輸配送 |
| 00:08:55,000 | 00:08:58,000 | 包括回收喔部長 |
| 00:08:58,000 | 00:09:01,000 | 我們是包括回收都可以在這裡面的喔 |
| 00:09:01,000 | 00:09:04,000 | 你從黃豆進口來之後 |
| 00:09:04,000 | 00:09:08,000 | 經過中年的這個產品銷售 |
| 00:09:08,000 | 00:09:11,000 | 包括運輸到我消費者 |
| 00:09:11,000 | 00:09:14,000 | 以及這個相關的回收鏈 |
| 00:09:14,000 | 00:09:17,000 | 我都可以在這個Summit 27 |
| 00:09:17,000 | 00:09:21,000 | 因為它有大概好幾千項的 |
| 00:09:21,000 | 00:09:24,000 | 這個列管的項目讓你去填 |
| 00:09:24,000 | 00:09:27,000 | 所以我光是我的行政稽查的配套 |
| 00:09:27,000 | 00:09:30,000 | 我政府當中我是設備將近 |
| 00:09:30,000 | 00:09:33,000 | 我無需要高行的這個設備 |
| 00:09:33,000 | 00:09:35,000 | 那我也可以自動化的勾機 |
| 00:09:35,000 | 00:09:38,000 | 正是很清楚的責任回歸業者 |
| 00:09:38,000 | 00:09:39,000 | 分期的公告機制 |
| 00:09:39,000 | 00:09:43,000 | 而且稽查員只要執行數據認證就好了 |
| 00:09:43,000 | 00:09:46,000 | 數據驗證不要再幫業者比對資本了 |
| 00:09:46,000 | 00:09:48,000 | 最後我這邊的秀 |
| 00:09:48,000 | 00:09:50,000 | 叫部長您直接等一下的表態 |
| 00:09:50,000 | 00:09:53,000 | 面對日益複雜的食品的供應鏈 |
| 00:09:53,000 | 00:09:55,000 | 維持傳統的資本跟人工 |
| 00:09:55,000 | 00:09:57,000 | 稽查的模式以難以為繼 |
| 00:09:57,000 | 00:09:59,000 | 在本法食品安全衛生管理法 |
| 00:09:59,000 | 00:10:01,000 | 導入GS1的Summit 27 |
| 00:10:01,000 | 00:10:03,000 | 適時安管理 |
| 00:10:03,000 | 00:10:05,000 | 由事後的補救轉型為 |
| 00:10:05,000 | 00:10:08,000 | 即時的預防的核心 |
| 00:10:08,000 | 00:10:10,000 | 轉軸保護消費者 |
| 00:10:10,000 | 00:10:11,000 | 降低企業風險 |
| 00:10:11,000 | 00:10:14,000 | 紓解這個檢驗檢查壓力 |
| 00:10:14,000 | 00:10:16,000 | 那部長您對本席這樣的修法提案 |
| 00:10:16,000 | 00:10:18,000 | 您的建議是什麼 |
| 00:10:18,000 | 00:10:19,000 | 你的看法是什麼 |
| 00:10:19,000 | 00:10:20,000 | 謝謝委員 |
| 00:10:20,000 | 00:10:22,000 | 我對您的這個提案非常欣賞 |
| 00:10:22,000 | 00:10:23,000 | 所以我們會來研議 |
| 00:10:23,000 | 00:10:24,000 | 剛開始的時候 |
| 00:10:24,000 | 00:10:26,000 | 他可能投入 |
| 00:10:26,000 | 00:10:28,000 | 你欣賞下面都在笑 |
| 00:10:28,000 | 00:10:30,000 | 需要投入 |
| 00:10:30,000 | 00:10:33,000 | 初期我們需要投入一些 |
| 00:10:33,000 | 00:10:35,000 | 成本跟時間 |
| 00:10:35,000 | 00:10:37,000 | 不過長期來講 |
| 00:10:37,000 | 00:10:41,000 | 面對我們現在缺工的時代 |
| 00:10:41,000 | 00:10:43,000 | 我想我們又要管理的 |
| 00:10:43,000 | 00:10:46,000 | 越來越detail越來越複雜 |
| 00:10:46,000 | 00:10:47,000 | 導入這個系統 |
| 00:10:47,000 | 00:10:48,000 | 我想絕對是有幫忙 |
| 00:10:48,000 | 00:10:51,000 | 包括他重點他是溯源 |
| 00:10:51,000 | 00:10:53,000 | 他其實是線上從 |
| 00:10:53,000 | 00:10:55,000 | 你生原料開始 |
| 00:10:55,000 | 00:10:56,000 | 我的批號 |
| 00:10:56,000 | 00:10:58,000 | 包括進到生產 |
| 00:10:58,000 | 00:11:00,000 | 你任何的狀態 |
| 00:11:00,000 | 00:11:03,000 | 空氣壓力水 |
| 00:11:03,000 | 00:11:04,000 | 什麼統統都可以 |
| 00:11:04,000 | 00:11:05,000 | 包括溫度 |
| 00:11:05,000 | 00:11:06,000 | 包括你即使到 |
| 00:11:06,000 | 00:11:08,000 | 最後端的運輸物流 |
| 00:11:08,000 | 00:11:11,000 | 你在什麼的溫度下變質了 |
| 00:11:11,000 | 00:11:14,000 | 那其實都可以追溯出來的 |
| 00:11:14,000 | 00:11:15,000 | 包括你這個產品 |
| 00:11:15,000 | 00:11:16,000 | 最後是怎麼回收 |
| 00:11:16,000 | 00:11:17,000 | 全部都 |
| 00:11:17,000 | 00:11:21,000 | 而且你的標籤是不能貼的 |
| 00:11:21,000 | 00:11:23,000 | 是直接在你的最後 |
| 00:11:23,000 | 00:11:24,000 | 整個產品出來的時候 |
| 00:11:24,000 | 00:11:26,000 | 直接烙印上去的 |
| 00:11:26,000 | 00:11:28,000 | 所以這個現在大家 |
| 00:11:28,000 | 00:11:29,000 | 我說我今天講這個 |
| 00:11:29,000 | 00:11:30,000 | 都不是政治議題 |
| 00:11:30,000 | 00:11:32,000 | 誰對誰說中央 |
| 00:11:32,000 | 00:11:33,000 | 說地方做我都不管 |
| 00:11:33,000 | 00:11:35,000 | 重點是你們現在修法 |
| 00:11:35,000 | 00:11:37,000 | 根本都不能解決問題 |
| 00:11:37,000 | 00:11:38,000 | 不能解決 |
| 00:11:38,000 | 00:11:39,000 | 你還是不能解決 |
| 00:11:39,000 | 00:11:40,000 | 所以只有 |
| 00:11:40,000 | 00:11:42,000 | 要請部長您這個好好研究一下 |
| 00:11:42,000 | 00:11:43,000 | 因為等一下主席 |
| 00:11:43,000 | 00:11:46,000 | 他下一次什麼時候排案的 |
| 00:11:46,000 | 00:11:47,000 | 條文審查之前 |
| 00:11:47,000 | 00:11:48,000 | 我希望你把三關的研究 |
| 00:11:48,000 | 00:11:49,000 | 我們來研究 |
| 00:11:49,000 | 00:11:50,000 | 研究好 |
| 00:11:50,000 | 00:11:51,000 | 然後我們來 |
| 00:11:51,000 | 00:11:53,000 | 這個涉及到整個產業的轉型 |
| 00:11:53,000 | 00:11:54,000 | 太棒你講到 |
| 00:11:54,000 | 00:11:56,000 | 講到這就是產業轉型 |
| 00:11:56,000 | 00:11:58,000 | 所以其實我們的業者 |
| 00:11:58,000 | 00:11:59,000 | 要做這樣產業鏈 |
| 00:11:59,000 | 00:12:00,000 | 跟人員的訓練 |
| 00:12:00,000 | 00:12:01,000 | 它是需要成本 |
| 00:12:01,000 | 00:12:02,000 | 政府要支持它 |
| 00:12:02,000 | 00:12:03,000 | 要編預算支持它 |
| 00:12:03,000 | 00:12:05,000 | 我們的這個訓練能力 |
| 00:12:05,000 | 00:12:06,000 | 要支持它 |
| 00:12:06,000 | 00:12:07,000 | 好不好 部長 |
| 00:12:07,000 | 00:12:08,000 | 謝謝 |
| 00:12:08,000 | 00:12:09,000 | 謝謝主席 |
| 00:12:09,000 | 00:12:10,000 | 謝謝 |
| 00:12:10,000 | 00:12:11,000 | 好 謝謝林大和委員 |