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王安祥 @ 第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第29次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:03,000 | 感謝主席 有請顧部長 |
| 00:00:03,000 | 00:00:04,000 | 請顧部長 |
| 00:00:12,000 | 00:00:13,000 | 是 王維揚 |
| 00:00:13,000 | 00:00:14,000 | 部長早 |
| 00:00:14,000 | 00:00:16,000 | 我想今天專報非常重要 |
| 00:00:16,000 | 00:00:20,000 | 因為過去我們都比較重視這個physical的部分 |
| 00:00:20,000 | 00:00:23,000 | 不過這幾年其實不管各行各業 |
| 00:00:23,000 | 00:00:25,000 | 或是我們在學校裡面 |
| 00:00:25,000 | 00:00:27,000 | 其實針對這個mental心理的部分 |
| 00:00:27,000 | 00:00:30,000 | 其實都有非常多的著墨 |
| 00:00:30,000 | 00:00:33,000 | 今天那個主題當然是所謂的心理韌性 |
| 00:00:33,000 | 00:00:36,000 | 不過我想心理韌性開始之前 |
| 00:00:36,000 | 00:00:39,000 | 應該是要有一個健康的心理素質 |
| 00:00:39,000 | 00:00:40,000 | 應該非常重要 |
| 00:00:40,000 | 00:00:42,000 | 在今天那個你們提供的報告裡面 |
| 00:00:42,000 | 00:00:44,000 | 其實在第三頁裡面 |
| 00:00:44,000 | 00:00:45,000 | 也提到要有 |
| 00:00:45,000 | 00:00:47,000 | 就是在每個每季 |
| 00:00:47,000 | 00:00:50,000 | 其實我們都有提供這個兩小時的 |
| 00:00:50,000 | 00:00:53,000 | 心理的衛生的教育 |
| 00:00:53,000 | 00:00:54,000 | 我想了解一下 |
| 00:00:54,000 | 00:00:57,000 | 這個大概教育的主要的content內容 |
| 00:00:57,000 | 00:01:00,000 | 或者是它的實際方式大概是怎麼樣 |
| 00:01:03,000 | 00:01:05,000 | 部長好 是政戰局局長 |
| 00:01:05,000 | 00:01:09,000 | 有關於主要是針對部隊的適應 |
| 00:01:09,000 | 00:01:12,000 | 以及遇到困難問題的時候 |
| 00:01:12,000 | 00:01:14,000 | 可以尋找解決 |
| 00:01:14,000 | 00:01:16,000 | 或者是協助的一個對象 |
| 00:01:16,000 | 00:01:18,000 | 是是 我知道 |
| 00:01:18,000 | 00:01:20,000 | 因為現在基本上我剛剛說過 |
| 00:01:20,000 | 00:01:22,000 | 這個在外面的事業單位 |
| 00:01:22,000 | 00:01:26,000 | 其實大家都有配置這種所謂的心理師的 |
| 00:01:26,000 | 00:01:27,000 | 這樣的一個概念 |
| 00:01:27,000 | 00:01:28,000 | 我也有去查了一下資料 |
| 00:01:28,000 | 00:01:30,000 | 我知道軍方現在有推動這個 |
| 00:01:30,000 | 00:01:32,000 | 心理健康照護的一個方案 |
| 00:01:32,000 | 00:01:33,000 | 跟外面做一些合作 |
| 00:01:33,000 | 00:01:35,000 | 好像一年可以做六次 |
| 00:01:35,000 | 00:01:37,000 | 我這邊也查到大概 |
| 00:01:37,000 | 00:01:38,000 | 它的那個使用人次 |
| 00:01:38,000 | 00:01:39,000 | 不曉得現在那個 |
| 00:01:39,000 | 00:01:42,000 | 他們那個我們的官兵使用的狀況怎麼樣 |
| 00:01:42,000 | 00:01:43,000 | 我看起來那個大概有 |
| 00:01:43,000 | 00:01:46,000 | 大概810人左右 |
| 00:01:46,000 | 00:01:49,000 | 有4800多人次的這個使用 |
| 00:01:49,000 | 00:01:52,000 | 這個對於我們的官兵 |
| 00:01:52,000 | 00:01:53,000 | 他們的心理的狀況 |
| 00:01:53,000 | 00:01:54,000 | 或是做一些輔導 |
| 00:01:54,000 | 00:01:56,000 | 諮商的幫助 |
| 00:01:56,000 | 00:01:58,000 | 目前的狀況大概是怎樣 |
| 00:01:58,000 | 00:01:59,000 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:01:59,000 | 00:02:03,000 | 114年我們推動這個心理健康照護方案之後 |
| 00:02:03,000 | 00:02:05,000 | 那個官兵諮商輔導的服務 |
| 00:02:05,000 | 00:02:08,000 | 大概1萬多人次了 |
| 00:02:08,000 | 00:02:10,000 | 1萬多人次 |
| 00:02:10,000 | 00:02:11,000 | 然後另外我們 |
| 00:02:11,000 | 00:02:13,000 | 115年開始 |
| 00:02:13,000 | 00:02:16,000 | 我們每年的這個次數 |
| 00:02:16,000 | 00:02:18,000 | 從原有的每個人 |
| 00:02:18,000 | 00:02:19,000 | 從原有的6次 |
| 00:02:19,000 | 00:02:22,000 | 免費諮商提升到12次 |
| 00:02:22,000 | 00:02:23,000 | 是 |
| 00:02:23,000 | 00:02:24,000 | 那那個大概他們 |
| 00:02:24,000 | 00:02:25,000 | 官兵使用的狀況 |
| 00:02:25,000 | 00:02:27,000 | 就因為6次嘛 |
| 00:02:27,000 | 00:02:29,000 | 現在剛剛部長說到12次 |
| 00:02:29,000 | 00:02:30,000 | 是不是大家都會 |
| 00:02:30,000 | 00:02:31,000 | 有這樣子的 |
| 00:02:31,000 | 00:02:33,000 | 就是我們叫病視感 |
| 00:02:33,000 | 00:02:35,000 | 他們會自己去尋求協助 |
| 00:02:35,000 | 00:02:37,000 | 不曉得部長怎麼看這個事 |
| 00:02:37,000 | 00:02:39,000 | 它最主要就是我們 |
| 00:02:39,000 | 00:02:42,000 | 在我們的辛苦系統之外 |
| 00:02:42,000 | 00:02:44,000 | 我們加一個民間的資源 |
| 00:02:44,000 | 00:02:47,000 | 主要是一個比較多層次的關懷 |
| 00:02:47,000 | 00:02:50,000 | 那它的一個好處就是說 |
| 00:02:50,000 | 00:02:54,000 | 它不會去洩漏出 |
| 00:02:54,000 | 00:02:58,000 | 就是說這個心理的輔導師 |
| 00:02:58,000 | 00:03:01,000 | 他除非認為他已經嚴重到 |
| 00:03:01,000 | 00:03:04,000 | 有這個自傷的一個傾向了 |
| 00:03:04,000 | 00:03:05,000 | 他才會回報 |
| 00:03:05,000 | 00:03:08,000 | 不然的話他是不會做回報 |
| 00:03:08,000 | 00:03:10,000 | 因此可以維護他個人的隱私 |
| 00:03:10,000 | 00:03:13,000 | 那在這個部分結合民間的資源 |
| 00:03:13,000 | 00:03:17,000 | 這是我們設置的一個初衷 |
| 00:03:17,000 | 00:03:19,000 | 對所以部長因為我們也去查了一下 |
| 00:03:19,000 | 00:03:22,000 | 所謂的我們關於自傷的狀況 |
| 00:03:22,000 | 00:03:24,000 | 那好像看起來那個數字 |
| 00:03:24,000 | 00:03:27,000 | 並沒有明顯的有一些這個往下掉 |
| 00:03:27,000 | 00:03:29,000 | 那是不是還有什麼更積極的作為 |
| 00:03:29,000 | 00:03:31,000 | 可以因應這樣子的一個狀況 |
| 00:03:31,000 | 00:03:35,000 | 是這個委員指教的是一個 |
| 00:03:35,000 | 00:03:40,000 | 我想我們必須要隨時來注意 |
| 00:03:40,000 | 00:03:43,000 | 而且要持續來進行檢討的 |
| 00:03:43,000 | 00:03:46,000 | 那麼有很多的部分確實是 |
| 00:03:46,000 | 00:03:49,000 | 剛剛也有其他委員指教的就是說 |
| 00:03:49,000 | 00:03:53,000 | 他可能是有一些這個經濟上面 |
| 00:03:53,000 | 00:03:56,000 | 比如說他可能去網路上 |
| 00:03:56,000 | 00:04:00,000 | 進行這個網路線上的一些賭博 |
| 00:04:00,000 | 00:04:01,000 | 或者怎麼樣 |
| 00:04:01,000 | 00:04:07,000 | 那或者是有一些親戚朋友的一些狀況 |
| 00:04:07,000 | 00:04:09,000 | 然後他必須要協助 |
| 00:04:09,000 | 00:04:12,000 | 那陷入的一些財務上的困難 |
| 00:04:12,000 | 00:04:15,000 | 那就這個部分我們要如何發掘 |
| 00:04:15,000 | 00:04:18,000 | 這件事情是一個課題 |
| 00:04:18,000 | 00:04:22,000 | 也就是說他不見得會願意讓人家知道 |
| 00:04:22,000 | 00:04:25,000 | 那所以我剛剛也講了 |
| 00:04:25,000 | 00:04:27,000 | 我們必須在這個整個 |
| 00:04:27,000 | 00:04:30,000 | 我們的政戰的體系裡面 |
| 00:04:30,000 | 00:04:32,000 | 還有包括所有的同儕 |
| 00:04:32,000 | 00:04:34,000 | 我們要去鼓勵就是說 |
| 00:04:34,000 | 00:04:37,000 | 如果他有發現他的這個同儕 |
| 00:04:37,000 | 00:04:39,000 | 比如說同樣同班的 |
| 00:04:39,000 | 00:04:41,000 | 他有發現任何的狀況 |
| 00:04:41,000 | 00:04:43,000 | 他如果能夠回報 |
| 00:04:43,000 | 00:04:46,000 | 然後能夠防免這個狀況的發生 |
| 00:04:46,000 | 00:04:47,000 | 我們給他獎勵 |
| 00:04:47,000 | 00:04:50,000 | 然後同時這些輔導的幹部 |
| 00:04:50,000 | 00:04:53,000 | 也要去一層接一層的去察覺 |
| 00:04:53,000 | 00:04:55,000 | 各方面的一些問題 |
| 00:04:55,000 | 00:04:57,000 | 那另外當然我們也推出一些 |
| 00:04:57,000 | 00:04:59,000 | 急難貸款的一些方案 |
| 00:04:59,000 | 00:05:01,000 | 希望他們能夠運用 |
| 00:05:02,000 | 00:05:06,000 | 但是我想還是就如同委員所講的 |
| 00:05:06,000 | 00:05:09,000 | 我們還是有很多精進的空間 |
| 00:05:09,000 | 00:05:16,000 | 如何能夠更去多做多存的一個關懷的 |
| 00:05:16,000 | 00:05:18,000 | 這個網絡的建立 |
| 00:05:18,000 | 00:05:21,000 | 這個我想是值得我們再進一步 |
| 00:05:21,000 | 00:05:23,000 | 再來加強 |
| 00:05:23,000 | 00:05:25,000 | 我想剛剛部長說得非常對 |
| 00:05:25,000 | 00:05:27,000 | 我想我會這樣子問主要原因 |
| 00:05:27,000 | 00:05:30,000 | 我覺得還是要主動的發掘 |
| 00:05:30,000 | 00:05:32,000 | 預防還是非常非常重要 |
| 00:05:32,000 | 00:05:34,000 | 就有些我想這個 |
| 00:05:34,000 | 00:05:35,000 | 現在大家可以看到 |
| 00:05:35,000 | 00:05:36,000 | 在外面的事業單位 |
| 00:05:36,000 | 00:05:38,000 | 大家那個工作壓力都已經非常非常大 |
| 00:05:38,000 | 00:05:40,000 | 常常有人在講 |
| 00:05:40,000 | 00:05:41,000 | 那我想在軍中 |
| 00:05:41,000 | 00:05:45,000 | 其實也有一些這個蠻大的一些任務的一些負荷 |
| 00:05:45,000 | 00:05:48,000 | 所以我除了他們可以去尋求這些協助之外 |
| 00:05:48,000 | 00:05:50,000 | 我也希望有一些這種所謂 |
| 00:05:50,000 | 00:05:51,000 | 剛剛部長說的 |
| 00:05:51,000 | 00:05:53,000 | 更多的那個經濟的作為 |
| 00:05:53,000 | 00:05:55,000 | 可以主動的發掘 |
| 00:05:55,000 | 00:05:58,000 | 跟事前有一些預防的作為 |
| 00:05:58,000 | 00:05:59,000 | 那今天那個 |
| 00:05:59,000 | 00:06:01,000 | 另外一件很重要的事情就是 |
| 00:06:01,000 | 00:06:03,000 | 我想我們現在教召 |
| 00:06:03,000 | 00:06:05,000 | 對這個任性很重要 |
| 00:06:05,000 | 00:06:07,000 | 昨天有一篇報導非常有趣 |
| 00:06:07,000 | 00:06:09,000 | 就是這個蔣部長 |
| 00:06:09,000 | 00:06:11,000 | 會被召回去當運輸排長 |
| 00:06:11,000 | 00:06:13,000 | 那一篇報導裡面 |
| 00:06:13,000 | 00:06:14,000 | 部長講了很多 |
| 00:06:14,000 | 00:06:15,000 | 我想那篇 |
| 00:06:15,000 | 00:06:18,000 | 我想部長講了很多 |
| 00:06:18,000 | 00:06:19,000 | 說這個是非常非常重要的事情 |
| 00:06:19,000 | 00:06:21,000 | 部長是不是可以再這個機會 |
| 00:06:21,000 | 00:06:25,000 | 再怎麼樣去這個退伍之後 |
| 00:06:25,000 | 00:06:27,000 | 其實他現在的一些新的專長 |
| 00:06:27,000 | 00:06:29,000 | 在這個召召的時候 |
| 00:06:29,000 | 00:06:31,000 | 能夠使用這樣子的人力 |
| 00:06:31,000 | 00:06:33,000 | 跟國務委員報告 |
| 00:06:33,000 | 00:06:36,000 | 就是說我們一個旅一個旅的要來檢討 |
| 00:06:36,000 | 00:06:37,000 | 是 |
| 00:06:37,000 | 00:06:38,000 | 那大家都以為說 |
| 00:06:38,000 | 00:06:40,000 | 教召好像就是把人帶進來就可以了 |
| 00:06:40,000 | 00:06:43,000 | 問題是他可能是需要是兵 |
| 00:06:43,000 | 00:06:45,000 | 他可能是需要是士官 |
| 00:06:45,000 | 00:06:46,000 | 是 |
| 00:06:46,000 | 00:06:47,000 | 他可能需要的是排長 |
| 00:06:47,000 | 00:06:49,000 | 那他還有不同的部隊 |
| 00:06:49,000 | 00:06:51,000 | 他有不同的專長 |
| 00:06:51,000 | 00:06:54,000 | 他是這個戰車部隊 |
| 00:06:54,000 | 00:06:56,000 | 那他這個回來 |
| 00:06:56,000 | 00:06:58,000 | 你要讓他叫到回來 |
| 00:06:58,000 | 00:07:00,000 | 他要能夠 |
| 00:07:00,000 | 00:07:01,000 | 能夠 |
| 00:07:01,000 | 00:07:02,000 | 對 |
| 00:07:02,000 | 00:07:03,000 | 操作這個戰車 |
| 00:07:03,000 | 00:07:04,000 | 而且他現在的一個旅 |
| 00:07:04,000 | 00:07:05,000 | 他砲兵部隊 |
| 00:07:05,000 | 00:07:06,000 | 你要回來的是那個砲兵的專長 |
| 00:07:06,000 | 00:07:07,000 | 是 |
| 00:07:07,000 | 00:07:10,000 | 所以我才會講說這個精準的動員 |
| 00:07:10,000 | 00:07:11,000 | 精準動員 |
| 00:07:11,000 | 00:07:13,000 | 是一件重要的事情 |
| 00:07:13,000 | 00:07:14,000 | 想像說一個旅 |
| 00:07:14,000 | 00:07:15,000 | 那他缺 |
| 00:07:15,000 | 00:07:16,000 | 他邊線比 |
| 00:07:16,000 | 00:07:17,000 | 不管是多少 |
| 00:07:17,000 | 00:07:20,000 | 那我們現在要把他邊時動員 |
| 00:07:20,000 | 00:07:23,000 | 這個邊時動員的這個邊時這兩個字 |
| 00:07:23,000 | 00:07:25,000 | 講起來就是兩個字 |
| 00:07:25,000 | 00:07:27,000 | 但事實上真正要運作起來 |
| 00:07:27,000 | 00:07:30,000 | 我們就必須要一個單位 |
| 00:07:30,000 | 00:07:32,000 | 一個單位檢討 |
| 00:07:32,000 | 00:07:34,000 | 那這個當然在戰鬥部隊的話 |
| 00:07:34,000 | 00:07:36,000 | 我們從旅局的這個層級 |
| 00:07:36,000 | 00:07:38,000 | 我們來逐步來檢討 |
| 00:07:38,000 | 00:07:41,000 | 那這個是我們現在正在做的一些工作 |
| 00:07:41,000 | 00:07:44,000 | 那這當然不是只有主戰的部隊 |
| 00:07:44,000 | 00:07:45,000 | 是 |
| 00:07:45,000 | 00:07:47,000 | 包括特別是聯兵旅以外 |
| 00:07:47,000 | 00:07:49,000 | 我們主戰部隊 |
| 00:07:49,000 | 00:07:52,000 | 那還有包括相關的守備旅 |
| 00:07:52,000 | 00:07:55,000 | 還有相關後面的後備旅的動員 |
| 00:07:55,000 | 00:07:57,000 | 那這些都要經過動員驗證 |
| 00:07:57,000 | 00:07:59,000 | 那我們逐步擴大 |
| 00:07:59,000 | 00:08:02,000 | 這些後備動員教召的能量 |
| 00:08:02,000 | 00:08:05,000 | 那主要當然是在邊時跟 |
| 00:08:05,000 | 00:08:08,000 | 先是精準 |
| 00:08:08,000 | 00:08:11,000 | 然後接下來要能夠邊時 |
| 00:08:11,000 | 00:08:14,000 | 然後再擴及擴編的這個 |
| 00:08:14,000 | 00:08:17,000 | 這個守備或者後備部隊這個部分 |
| 00:08:17,000 | 00:08:18,000 | 所以剛剛部長也有說 |
| 00:08:18,000 | 00:08:19,000 | 其實報導裡面有講 |
| 00:08:19,000 | 00:08:20,000 | 就一個旅一個旅 |
| 00:08:20,000 | 00:08:21,000 | 這個不曉得 |
| 00:08:21,000 | 00:08:23,000 | 部長覺得這樣子的一個 |
| 00:08:23,000 | 00:08:27,000 | 我們說這個審查或是做評估 |
| 00:08:27,000 | 00:08:29,000 | 這個大概需要多久的時間 |
| 00:08:29,000 | 00:08:31,000 | 然後做一個全面性的檢討 |
| 00:08:31,000 | 00:08:35,000 | 我們事實上已經是在進行了 |
| 00:08:35,000 | 00:08:36,000 | 是 |
| 00:08:36,000 | 00:08:40,000 | 就這個評估的部分 |
| 00:08:40,000 | 00:08:42,000 | 已經差不多完成了 |
| 00:08:42,000 | 00:08:44,000 | 我們接下來是要進行驗證 |
| 00:08:44,000 | 00:08:47,000 | 那特別我們陸軍的部分 |
| 00:08:47,000 | 00:08:49,000 | 我想我們先來做一些驗證 |
| 00:08:49,000 | 00:08:51,000 | 是是因為我們覺得這個 |
| 00:08:51,000 | 00:08:54,000 | 現在因為武器這個一直在更迭 |
| 00:08:54,000 | 00:08:55,000 | 那個速度非常非常快 |
| 00:08:55,000 | 00:08:58,000 | 然後怎麼樣運用這些退伍的 |
| 00:08:58,000 | 00:08:59,000 | 這些人力 |
| 00:08:59,000 | 00:09:00,000 | 基本上我覺得非常非常重要 |
| 00:09:00,000 | 00:09:02,000 | 我也很開心看到這樣的報導 |
| 00:09:02,000 | 00:09:04,000 | 那希望國防部這個這個 |
| 00:09:04,000 | 00:09:05,000 | 針對這個部分 |
| 00:09:05,000 | 00:09:06,000 | 因為韌性嘛 |
| 00:09:06,000 | 00:09:07,000 | 現在大家都講韌性 |
| 00:09:07,000 | 00:09:09,000 | 能夠好好運用這些退伍官兵的 |
| 00:09:09,000 | 00:09:10,000 | 一個他的現在 |
| 00:09:10,000 | 00:09:13,000 | 他可能會去過去有一個他的能力 |
| 00:09:13,000 | 00:09:14,000 | 那現在他可能有一些新的職能 |
| 00:09:14,000 | 00:09:16,000 | 希望能夠妥善的運用 |
| 00:09:16,000 | 00:09:17,000 | 對對對 |
| 00:09:17,000 | 00:09:19,000 | 我當時是所以我做例子 |
| 00:09:19,000 | 00:09:21,000 | 我當時說我是運輸排隊隊伍的 |
| 00:09:21,000 | 00:09:23,000 | 那我在兵級資料上面 |
| 00:09:23,000 | 00:09:25,000 | 應該還是寫運輸排長 |
| 00:09:25,000 | 00:09:26,000 | 是是 |
| 00:09:26,000 | 00:09:27,000 | 很吸睛啊 |
| 00:09:27,000 | 00:09:28,000 | 昨天那個報導 |
| 00:09:28,000 | 00:09:30,000 | 那我下來考上律師以後 |
| 00:09:30,000 | 00:09:33,000 | 也許如果從動員的角度看 |
| 00:09:33,000 | 00:09:36,000 | 我應該是要動員到軍法 |
| 00:09:36,000 | 00:09:38,000 | 因為軍法的部隊裡面去 |
| 00:09:38,000 | 00:09:41,000 | 但是我我當時一關沒有考上軍法官 |
| 00:09:41,000 | 00:09:42,000 | 我是考上運輸 |
| 00:09:42,000 | 00:09:45,000 | 所以是去當運輸排長這樣 |
| 00:09:45,000 | 00:09:46,000 | 我想這個這個很重要 |
| 00:09:46,000 | 00:09:48,000 | 那我們一起來努力 |
| 00:09:48,000 | 00:09:49,000 | 謝謝部長 |