| IVOD_ID |
17084 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17084 |
| 日期 |
2025-12-01 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-12-01T09:31:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-12-01T10:29:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:57:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2025-12-01T10:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
朝野黨團協商（事由：一、本院財政委員會報告併案審查國民黨黨團、委員馬文君等16人、委員魯明哲等23人、委員謝龍介等20人、委員賴士葆等17人、委員賴士葆等18人、委員林德福等21人、委員楊瓊瓔等16人、委員賴士葆等28人及委員王正旭等17人分別擬具「所得稅法第十七條條文修正草案」案。二、台灣民眾黨團擬具「所得稅法第十七條條文修正草案」案三、委員李彥秀等18人擬具「所得稅法第十七條條文修正草案」案四、委員王正旭等25人擬具「所得稅法第十七條條文修正草案」案五、委員李坤城等24人擬具「所得稅法第十七條條文修正草案」案六、委員賴惠員、陳冠廷、林月琴等25人擬具「所得稅法第五條之一及第十七條條文修正草案」案七、委員郭國文等19人擬具「所得稅法第五條之一及第十七條條文修正草案」案(第二至七案為院會逕付二讀案)） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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09:31:15 - 10:29:00 |
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好 我們就開始今天的協商會議請那個 來來來來 總部長來 請請向委員會報告了上一次 |
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原來部長是已經答應了18萬啦今天等於是因為還有委員提出來嘛比如說李坤勝委員就提到20萬提高到20萬民眾黨提到20萬同意了是不是沒有啦 現在就是說第一個要不要提高第二個因為這裡面提高老實講意義都不大啦因為他有拍復啦他有拍復啦 |
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有排布的話 20%以下才適用30% 40%都不適用了所以基本上來講影響沒有那麼大了再提高都沒有那麼大來 這個委員有什麼意見要表達沒有 來還是要 能不能講 |
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因為我們有看過上次的逐字稿上次我們協商其實本來就有共識了而且修正動議大家也都簽字包括我看到那個黃珊珊委員也都跟主席確認對不對那都確認好的東西那為什麼我們今天再次協商呢就那時候主席有提到說還有委員的版本沒有進來但是這個就是一個大家折衷有共識了原則上版本是不動 |
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但是為了讓其他委員的版本他也能進來表達說他有參與因為對委員來講他的版本有沒有被納入那我是覺得版本都納入但是結論為止不變版本都納入但結論為止不變這就是上次我們協商為什麼會做出說有共識 |
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也采用了一个共同的修正动议但是我们送出委员会的时候呢我们说还是保留有等候大家版本进来并案后再提交给院会我想跟主席报告是说那时候是这样子喔好 我们其他委员来林德文委员 再过来李坤城委员再过来黄珊珊委员我想我比较务实面你请个外劳一个月最少你要付3万块以上 |
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包括吃飯不算喔那你一年就36萬甚至於有的就是要請兩位不是一個人你付付嘛誰願意去找外勞來照顧誰願意找外勞來照顧那是不得已的不得已啊對不對我實際上付那麼多錢你說你讓我扣的也只有這樣子 |
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這個講實在話我認為實在是不成比例因為我們以務實面來看我一年了 負額36萬你說我18萬 來扣18萬有的要請兩位他是不得已才會請外勞你用長照來抵我跟你講 請外勞的比長照多你像這個樣子 |
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難道他希望說我來找外勞來照顧這些兩個老的嗎他也不希望這是不得已的不得已你說我付了那麼多錢你不讓我來扣這個講實在話是沒有道理的 |
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對不對 我上次老早就很提過我說你一年要讓他扣36萬那上次大概有一些想法就是說扣18萬再提高一些啦我不是說全然反對但是你講實在話你給人家扣人家一年付了36萬你認為他是喜歡說我來請個外勞來照顧老的他是不得已之下才會這樣做 |
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對不對像我剛剛就舉給署長聽我的三哥現在兩個老的都失智請兩個啦一年就要付七十幾萬光給他吃飯不算 |
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對不對那你說你一個扣18萬兩個人也只不過扣36萬那實際上他是負70幾萬對不對我認為不是說我是為那些長輩長者這個來講話而且一個家庭誰願意說 |
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這個動作都靈敏 腦筋清楚他願意來請常外勞來照顧不可能嘛 對不對但是不得已之下很無奈才要請他們來照顧所以說我希望大家拿著良心出來 |
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我是比較務實其實我很少對這方面有去要求但是有一天有一個人跟我講說他家裡也是兩個兩個外勞就是因為一個照顧一個你說 |
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你照顧一個一年最少在他們身上就要花七十幾萬兩個要花七十幾萬光給薪水 吃飯還不算那你七十幾萬結果你讓他扣那麼一點講實話對他們那些不公平那是無奈之下才要請外勞來照顧他要是好手好腳 腦筋清楚難道他希望找外勞來照顧嗎不可能啦 |
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我一個老岳母91歲那時候我老岳丈走的時候我說留下來照顧你好不好他說不要我自己可以動可以腦筋清楚我自己可以手腳靈活他不願意請外勞那是無奈之下才會去請所以說大家研究看看 謝謝好 謝謝我們是不是下一位李坤城委員請 |
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謝謝主席那其實聖誕節快到了大家都希望當聖誕老公公 |
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但是因為上次我們有一個協商的共識其實我們也知道說長照對於家庭來講是會有一筆負擔所以我們把長照的扣除我們把它從12萬提高到18萬我自己的版本是25萬可是大家就是討論一下就覺得說我們從12到18其實也增加了6萬塊不無小補當然如果說像您的副委員講的這樣子就是說我支付多少你就要扣除多少這種情況也不可能他是無賴之選 |
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對 每個人家有一本難念的經每個人難道家裡好好的當然所以我們是設想到是每一個家庭就是說不論它是怎麼樣那至少有這一個基本扣除我們把它提高到18萬那如果說今天大家講好的這個共識然後這個因為有新的委員的版本的進來然後又把之前的共識推翻掉我是覺得說這樣子是比較不妥那是尊重委員頭 |
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也尊重一下我們已經協商好的這個共識我覺得這樣子所以我們有提高到18萬有提高到18萬所以說如果大家覺得說這個有必要還要再做提升的話那我覺得也要顧慮一下因為就是說複稅署他可能有他自己的一些立場 |
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那就我們來講 那因為我也很想說那除了這一個長照扣除額之外我是不是其他的扣除額這是無奈之下才有對啦 我知道啦 |
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對啦 我知道啦我知道你的立場啦那就是說那不是說每個家庭我們政府都有辦法把他們所用的 對那以後這個扣除我認為可能還會再增加因為我們已經進入超高齡社會了啦那是不是今年就先這樣用 |
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每年都超增然后超增你就是让这些人多扣抵一点他确实有那个支柱就是有这个需要所以我们才会把长照扣除了把它剪掉好 我们现在会请黄先生问一件好 谢谢主席我想我们上次虽然有讨论过不过大家对于这个长照一直都有不同的意见那因为长照最近又发生了那个妈妈把孩子 |
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我覺得那個杯葛會一直發生的原因並不是我們長照金額不夠而是我們沒有做好所有的工作啦那但是長照問題不會只是不亞於少子化的問題那現在的問題在於說剛剛林德福委員講其實我們家也有請外勞當然一個家庭18萬其實真的是不夠請個外勞那為什麼要請外勞呢是不是長照 |
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3.0的涵蓋範圍不夠或者說家庭實在沒有辦法照顧我覺得還是回到整個長照政策的問題當然扣除而是一個幫助那中華民國家庭照顧者關懷協會它是調查的部分是超過50%的家庭每個月額外支出大概是兩萬元 |
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也就一年大概是24萬這最基本的50%的家庭所以50%的家庭然後7.63%的家庭每個月照顧花費超過4萬這大概就是有請外勞的家庭所以我們民眾黨的立場當然是希望長期來說應該是比照日本 韓國 德國從長照保險制度的方式來進行但在還沒有之前 |
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只能用稅賦的方式來減免那稅賦的減免的部分12萬、18萬那台灣民眾黨的版本是20萬那剛剛兩位委員其實講的都一樣就是我們到底要先用哪個方法來解決他們的問題但是可能這個還是沒辦法解決問題你給他18萬、給他20萬給他36萬、給他40萬他還是會發生長照被割這才是政府可能要去面對的問題當然財政委員會只能處理 |
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稅負的減免那稅負減免的部分我們這邊20萬跟18萬差距其實不大了但現在像林委員或者是其他委員希望再提高的話民眾黨的立場是我們沒有特別反對或支持我們只是希望長照制度不會只是一個稅務減免而是應該其他怎麼樣把它救起來把它撈起來不要再發生這個事情 |
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另外長照3.0針對剛剛講會請外勞是因為他真的沒辦法自己照顧長照3.0只是偶爾派人來家裡幫幫忙這個可能沒有用所以接下來應該是怎麼把3.0做到連重症患者也可以做得到如果做不到的話那外勞的費用是不是也可以再增加比如說他真的是 |
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必要勤外勞的這種狀況我覺得還是回到將來不是只有討論這個18萬或30萬的問題而是真的勤外勞那個有沒有另外的方法來做其他的支柱 以上好 我們請財政部問一下 |
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謝謝趙委 謝謝剛剛委員們的指教我想上一次在8月14號的財委會大概已經處理過這個提案那原則上就是從12萬調高到18萬我想這個部分當時也都有這樣的一個結論那剛剛如同長照如同剛剛黃委員所說其實我們家爸爸媽媽用外勞大概也超過20幾年 |
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那我們知道因為家裡都雙薪家庭都沒有這個年輕人有辦法所以就用外勞那當然也是給我們很大的幫忙但是長照這件事情不是唯一說客的一個扣入的武漢委員所其實全面性的這是一個非常全面性的那所以我們是不是建議還是維持上一次的一個決議 |
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至於剛剛林委員所提的譬如說兩老都失智了然後必須適用兩位外勞那這個兩位的話因為兩位老人大概應該用兩個就可以用18萬乘以2就是36萬嗎還是一個 應該是 |
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然後另外就是說他如果是身心障礙的話還可以適用身心障礙的特別扣除因為他失智嘛那也可以適用21萬8千所以這裡面長照除了稅額扣除之外還有全面性其他的一些輔助那這個部分其實政府也努力在做衛福部也推出許多的相關的措施 |
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那當然就是說有沒有到非常的就是說可以涵蓋面更廣我想政府一定是在財政資源能夠充裕的情況下盡全力去做因為人口老化這個問題確實是未來我們自己也都會遇到所以在這裡建議是不是既然上一次已經有過一個決議共識我們是不是還維持然後最重要是盡快然後讓明年在申報的時候應該明年就可以 |
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申報的時候就可以試用那這樣的話就是114年開始試用那明年5月申報的時候就可以試用18萬這樣的一個額度所以是不是做這樣的建議現在這樣子這個如果18萬不動但是因為你這個是排富你基本上是排富的你們是20%以上才就把它排掉了能不能夠20%也把它納進來 |
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就是說你這個讓他範圍就是18萬你不動就18萬就接受了但是呢我們就那個範圍你現在是現在其實那個適用的很少只有5%跟13%而已你不能加一個加到20%就這個沒什麼影響啊剛剛部長講的那個兩個人 |
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那請中文研究 |
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謝謝啦 感謝因為我最近在看8月14號也是在這個地方有主席來主持啦那出席委員大家都有簽名那我有注意到呢對 就是因為林委員那次的發言內容我翻了一下沒有看到林委員的發言所以說我可以理解其實召委排這個協商的目的也就是這樣子 |
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讓那一天沒有發言的委員可以有機會再次表達意見畢竟我們在協商過程中的發言都是很重要對選民負責的一種監督跟爭取所以我這裡完全認同林委員因為今天有這個協商他可以把那一天他沒有來得及表達的 |
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因為那一天你那這樣子那一天有很多種版本那一天有在場的委員也經過很深入的討論後才達成了一個共識像我們黃珊珊委員最後也是說好啦 那就同意18萬我看這個會議紀錄上也是寫得很清楚每個委員都有每個委員的堅持 |
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因為委員除了提案書面上的文字之外大金額之外我們到了現場還是會再度表達那我完全尊重也肯定我們林委員為選民爭取福利我想這個為來監督政府收緊荷包我都同意 |
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但是因為我們畢竟是一個我們的協商就是要整合剛剛張偉主席又提出了一個就是所謂的排富的門檻因為我們在上次的協商完全沒有討論那表示什麼表示大家對這個事情是沒有不同意見的 |
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大家没有注意到这个问题我觉得主席如果是这样讲的话那我们上次的协商那变成每一次的协商都有一些没有注意到的东西我是觉得是这样为了维持我们其实如果真的有一些我们还可以再 |
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进步的地方每一年其实所得税法我们每一年财委会都会排案来讨论所以我是觉得我们是与时俱进每一年都在进步因此如果说大家觉得今年发现说这个排付的门槛的部分可以讨论因为我们的协商在8月14号已经确定了 |
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那如果覺得這個事情我們可以繼續未來在所得稅法修改的時候我們可以請財政部把這些有排富門檻的大家做一個全盤的檢視因為我們也不要掛一漏萬可能這個地方的排富跟其他地方排富有沒有一樣所以我非常也認同主席說的如果我們過去在討論這個議題的時候我們並沒有把 |
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排富的門檻納進來討論未來修法的時候一定每年都會修所得稅每年都會修特扣額 標扣額 劣扣額什麼的我們都會拿來討論我也是覺得是不是可以這樣子主席我們請財政部把這些所得稅法當中有關於排富的門檻的各項規定做個全盤的整理我們這邊也做成一個大家的共識接下來我們還是會去處理所得稅法下次所得稅法修的時候我們就把排富的門檻拿進來好不好 |
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財政部的牌幅已經整理好了啦你解釋一下嘛你們牌幅我們也需要時間消化吧 |
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我跟委員報告我先講我們長照適用的條件其實我們不以我們是定額扣除簡單的講就是你符合資格就可以扣當然有三種狀況一種就是說你符合聘請外勞資格但你可以實際自己看一樣可以扣第二個就是你入住住宿是機構那真的就要入住要90天另外一個就身心失能第二級到第八級你有申請長照服務的 |
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這三種都可以扣可是這三種並不限說你真的要申請外勞這是我首先先跟委員就是林委員解釋一下第二個就是說我們現在排富本來有三個現在只剩下兩個我們本來三個一個是右扣一個是長照一個是租金支出 |
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那這三個當時都是從一個就是說你所得稅基本上你有能力撫養這些人其實基本上對國家稅收多貢獻一點其實基本上是OK再加上因為稅率高的人他減稅的金額比較大譬如40%的人他減稅金額就大很多所以當時大家有一個共同的認知就是說對於所得高的人其實自己他的錢就夠付這些錢不需要我們政府再額外給他減稅利益 |
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然後後來又扣是因為少子化所以我們把它拿掉所以現在就留下長照還有租金這兩項特別扣除了是還有排付條款那它排付有三種狀況一種就是稅率只要20%以上就被排掉了 |
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第二個就是你鼓勵分開計稅28%的也會被排掉第二個就是說你的基本所的你有申請有去報基本稅額的這種也會被排掉一共有三種被排掉目前我盤點就是照法條規定目前就是長照跟租金排三種狀況這樣 |
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沒有 你沒有回答我的問題這個排富是20%以上還是含20%20%以上就被排掉了所以你現在是20%以上就被排掉了對那我們就希望說因為我原提出說20%其實現在Majority20%也不是很有錢20%是不是也可以納進來可以享18萬的這個因為 |
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你差多少現在20%以上的人就是淨所得這是用淨所得簡單講就是說要扣掉沒收入扣除然後扣掉所有的以後淨所得126萬到252萬中間的人是20%的稅率126萬淨所得換算為這是112現在是多少對不起剛才我念到112年度 |
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如果以114年度因為今年是114年度是133萬到266萬這個級距的人叫20%目前這個級距是被排到那這是指淨所得所以如果你在我們把它還原成總所得應該都200萬以上了還原為總所得就免稅額扣除再還原上去都是250應該是差不多有些重點是20%的就 |
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不是用18萬這個扣除的啦這樣子啦 目前是這樣子年稅有扣除對 月收入十幾萬的人耶大家想一下 這個社會觀感我是覺得我很認同我們主席的用心啦但是我是覺得這個事情我們可以有更充裕的討論突然冒出來這個題目 大家都沒有 |
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不是 你差多少 署长有没有如果把20%以上改成20%您是说税收影响数吗我是觉得今天我们不是从税损来看因为社会的公平正义不是从税损税损是财政部他在关心政府的税收但是人民是观感怎样我一个 |
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整年所得不到100萬的人我跟年所得超過200萬以上的人我都可以有這樣的一個18萬的優惠我是覺得這個心態上我不管你政府稅損多還少我們出去要面對一般的壽星階級一般的小倆口的壽星階級雙星家庭他現在以我所在的地區 |
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100萬以內的比比皆是那現在你告訴他說那個200萬的月所得都十幾萬薪水的人跟他一樣說這樣的話我也只能扣18萬他也可以扣18萬這個是一個公平性的相對剝奪感我是覺得我們要考慮 |
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36萬我支持這個就是36萬我們剛剛提到18萬這個事情我們逐年都在調我們逐年都在調上次的協商已經講完18萬了今天主席又提到說18萬之外那我們是不是18萬有共識了我們來談談扣除排付條款的門檻可是我覺得排付門檻拉到了20%就會造成年所得 |
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200萬以上的人你講一邊 另外一邊也要講我剛剛講就是說實質確實是36萬你為什麼讓我扣十幾萬是 我們目標嘛目標我們往這方面邁進你講目標是好聽啦實務我是扣36萬那我們林委員也發表完了因為我們上次協商大家就有這個共識了 |
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好啦 這個就這樣子吧我們就維持原來的心臟結論吧然後我們希望財政部也認真去思考一下排富的門檻你講200萬當然看起來很多啦事實上雙薪家庭老實講200萬扣掉扣一扣在台北市來講200萬也是很辛苦啦這個這個老實講就是要雙薪啦這個東西我們現在 對不起 |
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寫上結論來那個第17條照審查會的審查結果通過第一項第二款第三目之七修正為長期照顧特別扣除的自中華民國114年1月1日起 |
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納稅醫務人配偶或受撫養親屬為符合中央衛生福利主管機關公告需長期照顧之身心失能者每年扣除18萬其餘同現行條文 |
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第二 第五條之一 維持現行條文第三 各黨團同意經運會決定就進付二讀那麼我們還有七個案子這個我們就讓他進付二讀 可以不可以就跟我們這個案子一起 好不好 |
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在委員會有七個案子沒有也不要表決就是就他們會抽出來抽出來併嘛好不好所有的委員的提案通通抽出來進副法圖然後但是我們協商的版本就是以這個為主那我們就不要再協商了好不好直接去二三賭了好不好直接去二三賭了好 |
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那請各位就親自囉好不好就等於我們再協商一次了啦今天重要的結論是把其他的委員這段時間的提案也納進來一併然後就是我們就禁服二讀三讀是用我們協商的版本禁服二讀三讀這樣好不好其他版本就進來啦 |
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所以我們就不再來協商了我們就直接到院會了好不好沒有 稅收不足啦 |
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長照不是你們給的 長照基金我要下去囉 朝上你改成保險室就可以了啦你們又不要啊你們又不要 好啦 謝謝啦 謝謝啊我那個再拜託囉 署長 我有跟部長講了我這個星期 |
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謝謝大家 |