iVOD / 170832
本逐字稿內容由 AI 自動生成，可能包含錯誤、遺漏或誤譯之處。請使用者務必與原始影片音訊內容交叉比對，以確保資訊正確性。另可參考立法院日後釋出的正式公報以取得最終權威版本。
王美惠 @ 第11屆第5會期內政委員會第22次全體委員會議
| Start Time | End Time | Text |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:02,000 | 請答 |
| 00:00:14,680 | 00:00:16,280 | 主席我們現在主委 |
| 00:00:16,280 | 00:00:18,280 | 請求主委 |
| 00:00:22,360 | 00:00:24,360 | 黃委員你好 |
| 00:00:24,360 | 00:00:25,360 | 主委 |
| 00:00:25,360 | 00:00:28,860 | 本席要跟你探討今天問題 |
| 00:00:28,860 | 00:00:32,360 | 第一點就是我們的檢察院 |
| 00:00:32,360 | 00:00:34,360 | 查出來 |
| 00:00:34,360 | 00:00:35,879 | 在這個 |
| 00:00:35,879 | 00:00:37,480 | 一百十一年 |
| 00:00:37,480 | 00:00:38,980 | 到現在 |
| 00:00:38,980 | 00:00:41,180 | 不是大學生 |
| 00:00:41,180 | 00:00:42,680 | 去的 |
| 00:00:42,680 | 00:00:44,180 | 現在是 |
| 00:00:44,180 | 00:00:47,080 | 國小、國中、國中 |
| 00:00:47,080 | 00:00:48,519 | 都去 |
| 00:00:48,519 | 00:00:50,320 | 在這個過程 |
| 00:00:50,320 | 00:00:51,519 | 是 |
| 00:00:51,540 | 00:00:53,540 | 一年一年一直 |
| 00:00:53,540 | 00:00:56,040 | 跟很多人去的 |
| 00:00:56,040 | 00:00:58,840 | 主委本席跟你 |
| 00:00:58,840 | 00:00:59,840 | 請教一下 |
| 00:00:59,840 | 00:01:02,340 | 你知不知道這個嚴重性 |
| 00:01:02,340 | 00:01:03,140 | 是 |
| 00:01:03,140 | 00:01:05,440 | 我們也有看到這個 |
| 00:01:05,440 | 00:01:07,540 | 檢察院的調查報告 |
| 00:01:07,540 | 00:01:09,040 | 特別剛剛委員說的 |
| 00:01:09,040 | 00:01:11,240 | 這個小學生附錄 |
| 00:01:11,240 | 00:01:13,240 | 狂飆了二十七倍 |
| 00:01:13,240 | 00:01:13,740 | 對 |
| 00:01:13,740 | 00:01:16,240 | 這也是非常認為 |
| 00:01:16,240 | 00:01:18,440 | 因為小學生不會自己去 |
| 00:01:18,440 | 00:01:21,240 | 一定是大人帶去的 |
| 00:01:21,460 | 00:01:24,460 | 這個部分我們也有去了解 |
| 00:01:24,460 | 00:01:26,960 | 為什麼那麼多的民間團體 |
| 00:01:26,960 | 00:01:28,960 | 招攬小學生 |
| 00:01:28,960 | 00:01:30,460 | 到中國大陸 |
| 00:01:30,460 | 00:01:32,460 | 一方面可能有 |
| 00:01:32,460 | 00:01:33,460 | 小學 |
| 00:01:33,460 | 00:01:34,460 | 是大人帶去 |
| 00:01:34,460 | 00:01:36,460 | 都是大人帶去的 |
| 00:01:36,460 | 00:01:39,460 | 那我們也跟教育部 |
| 00:01:39,460 | 00:01:41,460 | 跟他們說要 |
| 00:01:41,460 | 00:01:42,960 | 再跟他們宣導 |
| 00:01:42,960 | 00:01:43,960 | 強化 |
| 00:01:43,960 | 00:01:46,960 | 這個小學生附錄的風險也比較高 |
| 00:01:46,960 | 00:01:48,460 | 因為小朋友 |
| 00:01:48,460 | 00:01:49,960 | 那也請他們要注意 |
| 00:01:50,179 | 00:01:51,679 | 食身的安全之外 |
| 00:01:51,679 | 00:01:52,679 | 我們特別 |
| 00:01:52,679 | 00:01:54,679 | 也知道他的困境 |
| 00:01:54,679 | 00:01:57,679 | 因為許多的中小學 |
| 00:01:57,679 | 00:01:59,679 | 都是在地方 |
| 00:01:59,679 | 00:02:01,179 | 主管 |
| 00:02:01,179 | 00:02:02,179 | 那所以 |
| 00:02:02,179 | 00:02:03,179 | 這才是重點 |
| 00:02:03,179 | 00:02:05,179 | 教育部可能很 |
| 00:02:05,179 | 00:02:07,179 | 很困難去管到 |
| 00:02:07,179 | 00:02:08,180 | 各縣市 |
| 00:02:08,180 | 00:02:10,180 | 特別是 |
| 00:02:10,180 | 00:02:11,680 | 他們的縣市首長 |
| 00:02:11,680 | 00:02:14,680 | 如果跟中國大陸比較常往來的話 |
| 00:02:14,680 | 00:02:16,680 | 比較親善的話 |
| 00:02:16,680 | 00:02:18,680 | 他們的中小學 |
| 00:02:18,900 | 00:02:19,900 | 學校可能 |
| 00:02:19,900 | 00:02:20,900 | 有樣學樣 |
| 00:02:20,900 | 00:02:23,900 | 也做的對中國比較沒有戒心 |
| 00:02:23,900 | 00:02:25,900 | 事實上 |
| 00:02:25,900 | 00:02:26,900 | 中國大陸 |
| 00:02:26,900 | 00:02:27,900 | 對台灣的統戰 |
| 00:02:27,900 | 00:02:29,900 | 可以說從娃娃抓起 |
| 00:02:29,900 | 00:02:32,400 | 從小就給你置入 |
| 00:02:32,400 | 00:02:34,400 | 親中的這些 |
| 00:02:34,400 | 00:02:36,400 | 主委你覺得這樣很厲害嗎 |
| 00:02:36,400 | 00:02:37,400 | 是啊 |
| 00:02:37,400 | 00:02:38,400 | 很厲害嘛 |
| 00:02:38,400 | 00:02:40,400 | 在這個過程當中 |
| 00:02:40,400 | 00:02:42,400 | 我們覺得 |
| 00:02:42,400 | 00:02:44,400 | 他教育 |
| 00:02:44,400 | 00:02:45,400 | 國中 |
| 00:02:45,400 | 00:02:46,400 | 國小 |
| 00:02:46,400 | 00:02:47,400 | 國中 |
| 00:02:48,120 | 00:02:50,120 | 這是非常嚴重的 |
| 00:02:50,120 | 00:02:52,120 | 我們之前討論的時候 |
| 00:02:52,120 | 00:02:53,120 | 是說 |
| 00:02:53,120 | 00:02:55,120 | 大學生去 |
| 00:02:55,120 | 00:02:56,120 | 現在是 |
| 00:02:56,120 | 00:02:58,120 | 國小跟國中的 |
| 00:02:58,120 | 00:03:00,120 | 這樣去 |
| 00:03:00,120 | 00:03:02,120 | 那都幾千個 |
| 00:03:02,120 | 00:03:03,120 | 所以 |
| 00:03:03,120 | 00:03:05,120 | 在這個年代 |
| 00:03:05,120 | 00:03:07,120 | 包括地方 |
| 00:03:07,120 | 00:03:09,120 | 的教育部 |
| 00:03:09,120 | 00:03:10,120 | 教育處 |
| 00:03:10,120 | 00:03:12,120 | 教育局 |
| 00:03:12,120 | 00:03:15,120 | 他們這兩個的所在 |
| 00:03:15,120 | 00:03:17,120 | 從來不欠 |
| 00:03:17,840 | 00:03:19,840 | 去發掘也好 |
| 00:03:19,840 | 00:03:21,840 | 還是糾正也好 |
| 00:03:21,840 | 00:03:22,840 | 主委 |
| 00:03:22,840 | 00:03:23,840 | 是 |
| 00:03:23,840 | 00:03:25,840 | 你知道這種是在 |
| 00:03:25,840 | 00:03:26,840 | 大英國管理的時候 |
| 00:03:26,840 | 00:03:28,840 | 是非常嚴重的 |
| 00:03:28,840 | 00:03:29,840 | 是 |
| 00:03:29,840 | 00:03:30,840 | 有請教你 |
| 00:03:30,840 | 00:03:32,840 | 我們要因應中共 |
| 00:03:32,840 | 00:03:34,840 | 對台灣青少年統戰 |
| 00:03:34,840 | 00:03:36,840 | 不斷向下延伸的做法 |
| 00:03:36,840 | 00:03:38,840 | 特別是透過 |
| 00:03:38,840 | 00:03:40,840 | 跟各縣市的教育局 |
| 00:03:40,840 | 00:03:44,840 | 或者各縣市的中小學 |
| 00:03:44,840 | 00:03:46,840 | 來進行這方面的交流 |
| 00:03:47,560 | 00:03:49,560 | 我們已經有會同教育部 |
| 00:03:49,560 | 00:03:51,560 | 也拜託教育部相關機關 |
| 00:03:51,560 | 00:03:53,560 | 要能夠跟 |
| 00:03:53,560 | 00:03:55,560 | 地方各中小學 |
| 00:03:55,560 | 00:03:57,560 | 能夠多做宣導 |
| 00:03:57,560 | 00:03:59,560 | 同時呢 |
| 00:03:59,560 | 00:04:01,560 | 我們也很願意 |
| 00:04:01,560 | 00:04:03,560 | 對於中小學 |
| 00:04:03,560 | 00:04:05,560 | 主委你的意思就是說 |
| 00:04:05,560 | 00:04:07,560 | 你不去跟台灣的管理處 |
| 00:04:07,560 | 00:04:09,560 | 去來說這個事情 |
| 00:04:09,560 | 00:04:11,560 | 非常嚴重 |
| 00:04:11,560 | 00:04:12,560 | 是 |
| 00:04:12,560 | 00:04:14,560 | 但是 |
| 00:04:14,560 | 00:04:16,560 | 雖然要讓小孩 |
| 00:04:17,280 | 00:04:19,280 | 再多看的時候 |
| 00:04:19,280 | 00:04:21,280 | 是不是會 |
| 00:04:21,280 | 00:04:23,280 | 在胞胃 |
| 00:04:23,280 | 00:04:25,280 | 有可能 |
| 00:04:25,280 | 00:04:27,280 | 我們也會去拜訪 |
| 00:04:27,280 | 00:04:29,280 | 你媽媽說 |
| 00:04:29,280 | 00:04:31,280 | 你拜訪拜訪到現在 |
| 00:04:31,280 | 00:04:32,280 | 已經很嚴重 |
| 00:04:32,280 | 00:04:34,280 | 胞胞中胞小胞中 |
| 00:04:34,280 | 00:04:36,280 | 中都清外 |
| 00:04:36,280 | 00:04:37,280 | 是 |
| 00:04:37,280 | 00:04:39,280 | 我給你報告 |
| 00:04:39,280 | 00:04:41,280 | 我們對國中小學的學生老師 |
| 00:04:41,280 | 00:04:43,280 | 特別是 |
| 00:04:43,280 | 00:04:44,280 | 老師 |
| 00:04:44,280 | 00:04:45,280 | 我們都願意 |
| 00:04:46,000 | 00:04:48,000 | 跟他們說明政策 |
| 00:04:48,000 | 00:04:50,000 | 然後提供 |
| 00:04:50,000 | 00:04:52,000 | 還有提供 |
| 00:04:52,000 | 00:04:54,000 | 適度教育 |
| 00:04:54,000 | 00:04:56,000 | 這就是要向下扎根 |
| 00:04:56,000 | 00:04:58,000 | 所以我們的現在適度教育 |
| 00:04:58,000 | 00:05:00,000 | 在大專院校在高中生 |
| 00:05:00,000 | 00:05:01,000 | 沒有啦 |
| 00:05:01,000 | 00:05:03,000 | 我們要向下扎根 |
| 00:05:03,000 | 00:05:05,000 | 我們要跟你說的是 |
| 00:05:05,000 | 00:05:07,000 | 你如果大學 |
| 00:05:07,000 | 00:05:09,000 | 因為自己 |
| 00:05:09,000 | 00:05:11,000 | 不說這是對國家好 |
| 00:05:11,000 | 00:05:13,000 | 不好 |
| 00:05:13,000 | 00:05:15,000 | 到現在國中小學 |
| 00:05:15,720 | 00:05:17,720 | 這是社會地方的政府管理 |
| 00:05:17,720 | 00:05:19,720 | 你說 |
| 00:05:19,720 | 00:05:21,720 | 要去那裡 |
| 00:05:21,720 | 00:05:23,720 | 要上網登記 |
| 00:05:23,720 | 00:05:24,720 | 主委 |
| 00:05:24,720 | 00:05:26,720 | 我會請問 |
| 00:05:26,720 | 00:05:28,720 | 到今天你要這時候 |
| 00:05:28,720 | 00:05:30,720 | 有多少人 |
| 00:05:30,720 | 00:05:32,720 | 去登記的嗎 |
| 00:05:32,720 | 00:05:34,720 | 我想中小學 |
| 00:05:34,720 | 00:05:36,720 | 不是你想啦 |
| 00:05:36,720 | 00:05:38,720 | 你要自己看 |
| 00:05:38,720 | 00:05:40,720 | 你自己的母親 |
| 00:05:40,720 | 00:05:42,720 | 是小孩子 |
| 00:05:42,720 | 00:05:44,720 | 說你要去哪兒登記 |
| 00:05:45,440 | 00:05:47,440 | 我們要國家好好 |
| 00:05:47,440 | 00:05:49,440 | 不能車車輿輿 |
| 00:05:49,440 | 00:05:51,440 | 這樣沒什麼 |
| 00:05:51,440 | 00:05:53,440 | 關鍵 |
| 00:05:53,440 | 00:05:55,440 | 這是很大的問題 |
| 00:05:55,440 | 00:05:57,440 | 你不要再小 |
| 00:05:57,440 | 00:05:59,440 | 小孩子雖然 |
| 00:05:59,440 | 00:06:01,440 | 他有跟他家的事大人 |
| 00:06:01,440 | 00:06:03,440 | 去 |
| 00:06:03,440 | 00:06:05,440 | 不過到現在他沒登記 |
| 00:06:05,440 | 00:06:07,440 | 在你的登記 |
| 00:06:07,440 | 00:06:09,440 | 的當下 |
| 00:06:09,440 | 00:06:11,440 | 我們沒登記 |
| 00:06:11,440 | 00:06:13,440 | 我們也沒辦法 |
| 00:06:14,160 | 00:06:16,160 | 來法輪功 |
| 00:06:16,160 | 00:06:18,160 | 到現在這樣沒辦法 |
| 00:06:18,160 | 00:06:20,160 | 我們覺得還是要強化宣導 |
| 00:06:20,160 | 00:06:22,160 | 還是要 |
| 00:06:22,160 | 00:06:24,160 | 跟地方政府 |
| 00:06:24,160 | 00:06:26,160 | 要求 |
| 00:06:26,160 | 00:06:28,160 | 我們這些小朋友 |
| 00:06:28,160 | 00:06:30,159 | 主委我是怎麼這樣 |
| 00:06:30,159 | 00:06:32,159 | 今天八月初五 |
| 00:06:32,159 | 00:06:34,159 | 春24天 |
| 00:06:34,159 | 00:06:36,159 | 孩子就要開課了 |
| 00:06:36,159 | 00:06:38,159 | 在孩子 |
| 00:06:38,159 | 00:06:40,159 | 二十幾天 |
| 00:06:40,159 | 00:06:42,159 | 你們都沒去做什麼 |
| 00:06:42,880 | 00:06:44,880 | 你有做到 |
| 00:06:44,880 | 00:06:46,880 | 對東地的 |
| 00:06:46,880 | 00:06:47,880 | 會不會回 |
| 00:06:47,880 | 00:06:49,880 | 孩子要去台階 |
| 00:06:49,880 | 00:06:51,880 | 會不會登記 |
| 00:06:51,880 | 00:06:53,880 | 是 |
| 00:06:53,880 | 00:06:55,880 | 其實教育部早都有 |
| 00:06:55,880 | 00:06:57,880 | 發現這個問題 |
| 00:06:57,880 | 00:06:59,880 | 檢察院的調查報告只有到2025年 |
| 00:06:59,880 | 00:07:01,880 | 但是整個趨勢 |
| 00:07:01,880 | 00:07:03,880 | 已經降下來了 |
| 00:07:03,880 | 00:07:05,880 | 我們要感謝教育部一直在做宣導 |
| 00:07:05,880 | 00:07:07,880 | 包括地方政府 |
| 00:07:07,880 | 00:07:09,880 | 那未來我們也會去跟 |
| 00:07:09,880 | 00:07:11,880 | 地方政府再強調 |
| 00:07:12,600 | 00:07:14,600 | 這方面我們願意提供各種的 |
| 00:07:14,600 | 00:07:16,600 | 教材 |
| 00:07:16,600 | 00:07:18,600 | 課程 |
| 00:07:18,600 | 00:07:20,600 | 多元化的這些相關對中國大陸的了解 |
| 00:07:20,600 | 00:07:22,600 | 也呼籲 |
| 00:07:22,600 | 00:07:24,600 | 我們中小學的師資 |
| 00:07:24,600 | 00:07:26,600 | 因為這都是跟老師有關 |
| 00:07:26,600 | 00:07:28,600 | 我們會去提供更多的教材 |
| 00:07:28,600 | 00:07:30,600 | 給中小學的老師能夠了解 |
| 00:07:30,600 | 00:07:32,600 | 那麼對於 |
| 00:07:32,600 | 00:07:34,600 | 特別帶小朋友去中國大陸 |
| 00:07:34,600 | 00:07:36,600 | 這必須要 |
| 00:07:36,600 | 00:07:38,600 | 符合政府相關的規範 |
| 00:07:38,600 | 00:07:40,600 | 還有因為還有讓家長 |
| 00:07:41,320 | 00:07:43,320 | 同意也蠻重要的 |
| 00:07:43,320 | 00:07:45,320 | 所以我們會努力 |
| 00:07:45,320 | 00:07:47,320 | 謝謝 |
| 00:07:47,320 | 00:07:49,320 | 主委 |
| 00:07:49,320 | 00:07:51,320 | 本身要跟你談到的就是 |
| 00:07:51,320 | 00:07:53,320 | 你看這個規定當中 |
| 00:07:53,320 | 00:07:55,320 | 以前國中的 |
| 00:07:55,320 | 00:07:57,320 | 是沒有改變的 |
| 00:07:57,320 | 00:07:59,320 | 到現在 |
| 00:07:59,320 | 00:08:01,320 | 一定是 |
| 00:08:01,320 | 00:08:03,320 | 1千21的 |
| 00:08:03,320 | 00:08:05,320 | 主委 |
| 00:08:05,320 | 00:08:07,320 | 這不是直接公共的 |
| 00:08:07,320 | 00:08:09,320 | 這樣就算了 |
| 00:08:10,040 | 00:08:12,040 | 我們還要去找 |
| 00:08:12,040 | 00:08:14,040 | 中底的管理長 |
| 00:08:14,040 | 00:08:16,040 | 來說 |
| 00:08:16,040 | 00:08:18,040 | 不是現在要接受而已 |
| 00:08:18,040 | 00:08:20,040 | 我們 |
| 00:08:20,040 | 00:08:22,040 | 再說 |
| 00:08:22,040 | 00:08:24,040 | 中底的管理長 |
| 00:08:24,040 | 00:08:26,039 | 說 |
| 00:08:26,039 | 00:08:28,039 | 說也沒辦法說 |
| 00:08:28,039 | 00:08:30,039 | 到現在還沒人上去 |
| 00:08:30,039 | 00:08:32,039 | 人也不怕你 |
| 00:08:32,039 | 00:08:34,039 | 跟地方也沒信任 |
| 00:08:34,039 | 00:08:36,039 | 是是 |
| 00:08:36,039 | 00:08:38,039 | 所以你覺得地方 |
| 00:08:38,760 | 00:08:40,760 | 不相信你用國小也 |
| 00:08:40,760 | 00:08:42,760 | 去大陸 |
| 00:08:42,760 | 00:08:44,760 | 中國 |
| 00:08:44,760 | 00:08:46,760 | 將近要回海了 |
| 00:08:46,760 | 00:08:48,760 | 8月25號 |
| 00:08:48,760 | 00:08:50,760 | 主委 |
| 00:08:50,760 | 00:08:52,760 | 你會怕嗎? |
| 00:08:52,760 | 00:08:54,760 | 當然 |
| 00:08:54,760 | 00:08:56,760 | 剛才也跟委員報告 |
| 00:08:56,760 | 00:08:58,760 | 經營度人數有減少很多 |
| 00:08:58,760 | 00:09:00,760 | 我們認為監察院 |
| 00:09:00,760 | 00:09:02,760 | 這邊報告還是非常難得 |
| 00:09:02,760 | 00:09:04,760 | 我們也有請教監委 |
| 00:09:04,760 | 00:09:06,760 | 確實在 |
| 00:09:07,480 | 00:09:09,480 | 2021年到2025年 |
| 00:09:09,480 | 00:09:11,480 | 特別小學生去的數目特別高 |
| 00:09:11,480 | 00:09:13,480 | 你說 |
| 00:09:13,480 | 00:09:15,480 | 有減少這幾個人 |
| 00:09:15,480 | 00:09:17,480 | 這兩年我們教育部 |
| 00:09:17,480 | 00:09:19,480 | 很努力在做 |
| 00:09:19,480 | 00:09:21,480 | 那你不努力 |
| 00:09:21,480 | 00:09:23,480 | 我們也有合作 |
| 00:09:23,480 | 00:09:25,480 | 我們都有合作 |
| 00:09:25,480 | 00:09:27,480 | 在這張我待會送給你 |
| 00:09:27,480 | 00:09:29,480 | 你說越來越少 |
| 00:09:29,480 | 00:09:31,480 | 是越來越少中 |
| 00:09:31,480 | 00:09:33,480 | 我知道 |
| 00:09:33,480 | 00:09:35,480 | 但是今天 |
| 00:09:36,200 | 00:09:38,200 | 處理知道 |
| 00:09:38,200 | 00:09:40,200 | 主委 |
| 00:09:40,200 | 00:09:42,200 | 我覺得這是保護 |
| 00:09:42,200 | 00:09:44,200 | 這些小孩的思維 |
| 00:09:44,200 | 00:09:46,200 | 保護中華民國的台灣 |
| 00:09:46,200 | 00:09:48,200 | 的存在 |
| 00:09:48,200 | 00:09:50,200 | 因為你們畢竟 |
| 00:09:50,200 | 00:09:52,200 | 在第一手的時候 |
| 00:09:52,200 | 00:09:54,200 | 你們要看怎麼處理才對 |
| 00:09:54,200 | 00:09:56,200 | 不是放的 |
| 00:09:56,200 | 00:09:58,200 | 你說越來越少 |
| 00:09:58,200 | 00:10:00,200 | 這越來越多 |
| 00:10:00,200 | 00:10:02,200 | 是我了解 |
| 00:10:02,200 | 00:10:04,200 | 你了解就要去做 |
| 00:10:04,920 | 00:10:06,920 | 好感謝你了 |
| 00:10:06,920 | 00:10:08,920 | 謝謝 |