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張智倫 @ 第11屆第5會期內政委員會第22次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:02,000 | 諮詢 |
| 00:00:09,000 | 00:00:13,000 | 好 謝謝主席 各位委員各位官員早 有請邱垂政主委 |
| 00:00:18,000 | 00:00:19,000 | 張委員早 |
| 00:00:19,000 | 00:00:23,000 | 好 主委早 今天是陸委會的這個詢答 |
| 00:00:23,000 | 00:00:23,500 | 是 |
| 00:00:23,500 | 00:00:26,500 | 首先要跟主委討論 |
| 00:00:26,500 | 00:00:30,500 | 就是先前有關於台東縣長姚慶林縣長 |
| 00:00:30,500 | 00:00:32,500 | 因為為了農民的生計 |
| 00:00:32,500 | 00:00:36,500 | 預錄影片在海峽論壇推廣農產品 |
| 00:00:36,500 | 00:00:39,500 | 那我還記得當時陸委會高調宣稱 |
| 00:00:39,500 | 00:00:41,500 | 他違反兩岸關係條例 |
| 00:00:41,500 | 00:00:44,500 | 第三項條之一與中國黨政軍合作 |
| 00:00:44,500 | 00:00:47,500 | 那必須啟動行政調查 |
| 00:00:47,500 | 00:00:50,500 | 那後來近日你們有坦言 |
| 00:00:50,500 | 00:00:57,500 | 是不是說這個基本上姚縣長的發言沒有牽涉到兩岸重大政治議題 |
| 00:00:57,500 | 00:01:01,500 | 所以你們現在的處理的狀況是如何 |
| 00:01:01,500 | 00:01:03,500 | 是不是可以說明一下 |
| 00:01:03,500 | 00:01:08,500 | 是 公務員報告有關於姚慶林縣長 |
| 00:01:08,500 | 00:01:12,500 | 這個以錄影的方式在海峽論壇 |
| 00:01:12,500 | 00:01:14,500 | 宣稱說法 |
| 00:01:14,500 | 00:01:17,500 | 那這部分我們有請內政部 |
| 00:01:17,500 | 00:01:20,500 | 進行必要的行政的了解 |
| 00:01:20,500 | 00:01:25,500 | 那目前他這個相關行政的一些報告 |
| 00:01:25,500 | 00:01:29,500 | 那麼還在彙整其他相關單位當中 |
| 00:01:29,500 | 00:01:32,500 | 我們還沒有做出最後的決定 |
| 00:01:32,500 | 00:01:36,500 | 那當時你們不是已經跟媒體坦承言說 |
| 00:01:36,500 | 00:01:40,500 | 沒有涉嫌牽涉到兩岸重大政治議題嗎 |
| 00:01:40,500 | 00:01:42,500 | 你們有沒有這樣的回應 |
| 00:01:42,500 | 00:01:44,500 | 這個部分 |
| 00:01:44,500 | 00:01:47,500 | 我們應該還沒有做出決定 |
| 00:01:47,500 | 00:01:51,500 | 那我們會再有一個會商再確定 |
| 00:01:51,500 | 00:01:54,500 | 如果有進一步的說法我們會對外說明 |
| 00:01:54,500 | 00:01:57,500 | 還沒有確定大概什麼時候會確定 |
| 00:01:57,500 | 00:01:59,500 | 我想應該很快 |
| 00:01:59,500 | 00:02:04,500 | 因為我們現在在彙整相關的資訊 |
| 00:02:04,500 | 00:02:07,500 | 然後我們再做最後的決定 |
| 00:02:07,500 | 00:02:09,500 | 那我是不是也可以方便請教陸委會 |
| 00:02:09,500 | 00:02:12,500 | 但是今年針對民間交流案件 |
| 00:02:12,500 | 00:02:16,500 | 真正有裁罰得到的案件大概有幾件 |
| 00:02:16,500 | 00:02:18,500 | 裁罰的案件 |
| 00:02:18,500 | 00:02:23,500 | 我們要看一下資料再回覆給委員 |
| 00:02:23,500 | 00:02:25,500 | 還是事後我們再提供 |
| 00:02:25,500 | 00:02:27,500 | 事後再回覆給我們好了 |
| 00:02:27,500 | 00:02:30,500 | 因為這跟我等一下現在要問的問題有關 |
| 00:02:30,500 | 00:02:33,500 | 大家也看到最近監察院的監委有報告 |
| 00:02:33,500 | 00:02:35,500 | 就是有關於現在我們很多 |
| 00:02:35,500 | 00:02:41,500 | 很多兩岸青年的一些交流團的一個部分 |
| 00:02:41,500 | 00:02:44,500 | 那監察院有指出 |
| 00:02:44,500 | 00:02:45,500 | 針對他的報告寫說 |
| 00:02:45,500 | 00:02:49,500 | 最近就是認為我們不管是教育部內政部 |
| 00:02:49,500 | 00:02:53,500 | 或陸委會針對兩岸學生的這個交流 |
| 00:02:53,500 | 00:02:56,500 | 沒有一個明確的 |
| 00:02:56,500 | 00:02:59,500 | 針對有些違反招攬規定的部分 |
| 00:02:59,500 | 00:03:01,500 | 沒有做一些處分 |
| 00:03:01,500 | 00:03:03,500 | 那我們看到最近這幾年 |
| 00:03:03,500 | 00:03:06,500 | 我們兩岸學生的交流非常的多 |
| 00:03:06,500 | 00:03:08,500 | 尤其台灣不管是大學 |
| 00:03:08,500 | 00:03:13,500 | 高中或者是國中國小的人數到大陸交流人數 |
| 00:03:13,500 | 00:03:15,500 | 越來越多尤其是大學生 |
| 00:03:15,500 | 00:03:17,500 | 大概一年大概是五千多人 |
| 00:03:17,500 | 00:03:19,500 | 那我想要請教一下 |
| 00:03:19,500 | 00:03:23,500 | 針對目前陸委會有沒有掌握 |
| 00:03:23,500 | 00:03:26,500 | 到底有沒有多少的人數是 |
| 00:03:26,500 | 00:03:28,500 | 跟教育部來掌握 |
| 00:03:28,500 | 00:03:30,500 | 到底多少是未通報私下組團的數量 |
| 00:03:30,500 | 00:03:31,500 | 到底是多少 |
| 00:03:31,500 | 00:03:32,500 | 有統計過了嗎 |
| 00:03:32,500 | 00:03:33,500 | 是 |
| 00:03:33,500 | 00:03:35,500 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:03:35,500 | 00:03:37,500 | 我們感謝我們監察委員 |
| 00:03:37,500 | 00:03:39,500 | 幫我們做的這些調查報告 |
| 00:03:39,500 | 00:03:42,500 | 這裡面講過去各部會有互相推諉 |
| 00:03:42,500 | 00:03:44,500 | 這可能是事實 |
| 00:03:44,500 | 00:03:46,500 | 但是這幾年 |
| 00:03:46,500 | 00:03:48,500 | 這幾年 |
| 00:03:48,500 | 00:03:50,500 | 我想我們跟各部會 |
| 00:03:50,500 | 00:03:52,500 | 不再有這種情形 |
| 00:03:52,500 | 00:03:55,500 | 都是共同的分工合作 |
| 00:03:55,500 | 00:03:58,500 | 那麼積極的 |
| 00:03:58,500 | 00:04:00,500 | 跟各個學校說明 |
| 00:04:00,500 | 00:04:03,500 | 這個赴中國大陸交流 |
| 00:04:03,500 | 00:04:06,500 | 要向教育部所建立的 |
| 00:04:06,500 | 00:04:09,500 | 有關兩岸教育交流活動 |
| 00:04:09,500 | 00:04:12,500 | 登錄的這個平台來彙報 |
| 00:04:12,500 | 00:04:14,500 | 所以各部會之間 |
| 00:04:14,500 | 00:04:17,500 | 目前是合作無間分工合作 |
| 00:04:17,500 | 00:04:20,500 | 並沒有相互推諉的情形 |
| 00:04:20,500 | 00:04:23,500 | 我們比如說現在 |
| 00:04:23,500 | 00:04:25,500 | 到底有多少的學生 |
| 00:04:25,500 | 00:04:26,500 | 或者是多少的學校 |
| 00:04:26,500 | 00:04:28,500 | 沒有通報的數量你們有掌握嗎 |
| 00:04:28,500 | 00:04:30,500 | 目前這幾年 |
| 00:04:30,500 | 00:04:32,500 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:04:32,500 | 00:04:35,500 | 這幾年由於教育部主管機關 |
| 00:04:35,500 | 00:04:37,500 | 他比較常去做宣導 |
| 00:04:37,500 | 00:04:39,500 | 現在通報量比較多了 |
| 00:04:39,500 | 00:04:40,500 | 也比較正常 |
| 00:04:40,500 | 00:04:42,500 | 那其實我要跟委員報告 |
| 00:04:42,500 | 00:04:45,500 | 我們上網去 |
| 00:04:45,500 | 00:04:48,500 | 他其實會給我們要去的學生 |
| 00:04:48,500 | 00:04:50,500 | 老師學校 |
| 00:04:50,500 | 00:04:52,500 | 都有很清楚的一個簡核作業 |
| 00:04:52,500 | 00:04:54,500 | 對於風險的簡核作業 |
| 00:04:54,500 | 00:04:56,500 | 所以目前來講 |
| 00:04:56,500 | 00:04:58,500 | 目前來講沒有通報的數量是少的 |
| 00:04:58,500 | 00:05:00,500 | 會減少很多 |
| 00:05:00,500 | 00:05:01,500 | 目前也在減少 |
| 00:05:01,500 | 00:05:03,500 | 那我想要了解 |
| 00:05:03,500 | 00:05:04,500 | 因為陸委會說 |
| 00:05:04,500 | 00:05:06,500 | 要做這樣的事情才去做懲處 |
| 00:05:06,500 | 00:05:08,500 | 那我想說如果還是有 |
| 00:05:08,500 | 00:05:10,500 | 沒有去通報的學校 |
| 00:05:10,500 | 00:05:11,500 | 因為主要是學校來去做通報 |
| 00:05:11,500 | 00:05:13,500 | 那如果學校沒有通報的話 |
| 00:05:13,500 | 00:05:14,500 | 懲處的對象到底是學校 |
| 00:05:14,500 | 00:05:16,500 | 還是帶隊老師 |
| 00:05:16,500 | 00:05:17,500 | 甚至是當然的民間團體 |
| 00:05:17,500 | 00:05:19,500 | 會不會是無辜的學生 |
| 00:05:19,500 | 00:05:22,500 | 我想這個是教育部主管機關 |
| 00:05:22,500 | 00:05:24,500 | 我們尊重教育部主管機關 |
| 00:05:24,500 | 00:05:28,500 | 那至於有違反兩岸條例的相關的情形 |
| 00:05:28,500 | 00:05:30,500 | 我們會協助教育部 |
| 00:05:30,500 | 00:05:32,500 | 來做進一步的認知 |
| 00:05:32,500 | 00:05:34,500 | 我這邊要特別跟您拜託的是 |
| 00:05:34,500 | 00:05:36,500 | 因為今天教育部應該沒有來 |
| 00:05:36,500 | 00:05:38,500 | 所以我想說學生他們只是單純 |
| 00:05:38,500 | 00:05:40,500 | 就是去玩 |
| 00:05:40,500 | 00:05:42,500 | 所以我希望說學生的部分 |
| 00:05:42,500 | 00:05:44,500 | 不應該影響到他的受教權 |
| 00:05:44,500 | 00:05:45,500 | 不應該被罰 |
| 00:05:45,500 | 00:05:48,500 | 所以我要拜託主委這邊 |
| 00:05:48,500 | 00:05:50,500 | 也可以幫忙跟教育部說明一下 |
| 00:05:50,500 | 00:05:53,500 | 那陸委會在這個情況當中 |
| 00:05:53,500 | 00:05:57,500 | 他有說要推動大陸的試讀教育 |
| 00:05:57,500 | 00:05:59,500 | 那大陸的試讀教育他的範圍多大 |
| 00:05:59,500 | 00:06:01,500 | 那要如何做教材 |
| 00:06:01,500 | 00:06:02,500 | 以及審定的標準為何 |
| 00:06:02,500 | 00:06:04,500 | 是不是可以請主委 |
| 00:06:04,500 | 00:06:05,500 | 是謝謝委員 |
| 00:06:05,500 | 00:06:07,500 | 這也是我們陸委會在努力的地方 |
| 00:06:07,500 | 00:06:10,500 | 我們希望我們的學生老師 |
| 00:06:10,500 | 00:06:13,500 | 或是學校跟中國大陸進行的 |
| 00:06:13,500 | 00:06:15,500 | 健康有序的交流 |
| 00:06:15,500 | 00:06:17,500 | 當然要再對等尊嚴 |
| 00:06:17,500 | 00:06:18,500 | 之外我們也希望 |
| 00:06:18,500 | 00:06:20,500 | 我們附陸教育的學生 |
| 00:06:20,500 | 00:06:21,500 | 試讀教育的這個陸市 |
| 00:06:21,500 | 00:06:23,500 | 陸市是甚麼 |
| 00:06:23,500 | 00:06:25,500 | 讓他了解中國大陸 |
| 00:06:25,500 | 00:06:27,500 | 去之前要先讀完這筆試讀教育 |
| 00:06:27,500 | 00:06:29,500 | 然後才可以去大陸做交流 |
| 00:06:29,500 | 00:06:31,500 | 會比較適合 |
| 00:06:31,500 | 00:06:33,500 | 不要說人家就是類似 |
| 00:06:33,500 | 00:06:35,500 | 大家想看統戰行程 |
| 00:06:35,500 | 00:06:37,500 | 統戰的愛國基地 |
| 00:06:37,500 | 00:06:39,500 | 或是紅色的這些基地 |
| 00:06:39,500 | 00:06:41,500 | 是一個線上課程嗎 |
| 00:06:41,500 | 00:06:42,500 | 還是紙本的課程 |
| 00:06:42,500 | 00:06:45,500 | 我們有線上的 |
| 00:06:45,500 | 00:06:47,500 | 我們有紙本的 |
| 00:06:47,500 | 00:06:48,500 | 我們有實際教授的課程 |
| 00:06:48,500 | 00:06:50,500 | 一定要讀完以後才能去大陸交流嗎 |
| 00:06:50,500 | 00:06:52,500 | 他只要有上過這些課程就好 |
| 00:06:52,500 | 00:06:54,500 | 很多都是在他們學校 |
| 00:06:54,500 | 00:06:56,500 | 那我請問一下 |
| 00:06:56,500 | 00:06:58,500 | 這個試讀教育的教材 |
| 00:06:58,500 | 00:07:00,500 | 甚麼時候會出 |
| 00:07:00,500 | 00:07:02,500 | 我想教育部跟相關的 |
| 00:07:02,500 | 00:07:04,500 | 這些老師都有很多的教材 |
| 00:07:04,500 | 00:07:06,500 | 現在已經有了嗎 |
| 00:07:06,500 | 00:07:08,500 | 都陸陸續續有 |
| 00:07:08,500 | 00:07:10,500 | 都是專業的教材 |
| 00:07:10,500 | 00:07:12,500 | 我們都尊重這些老師 |
| 00:07:12,500 | 00:07:14,500 | 他們專業的課程 |
| 00:07:14,500 | 00:07:16,500 | 我們都尊重他們 |
| 00:07:16,500 | 00:07:18,500 | 好那希望說陸委會 |
| 00:07:18,500 | 00:07:20,500 | 也針對整個試讀教材 |
| 00:07:20,500 | 00:07:22,500 | 要先去了解 |
| 00:07:22,500 | 00:07:24,500 | 執行的情況 |
| 00:07:24,500 | 00:07:26,500 | 也希望說陸委會先去了解一下 |
| 00:07:26,500 | 00:07:28,500 | 最後一個問題 |
| 00:07:28,500 | 00:07:30,500 | 針對最近我相信陸委會 |
| 00:07:30,500 | 00:07:32,500 | 也跟很多的 |
| 00:07:32,500 | 00:07:34,500 | 大陸的台商 |
| 00:07:34,500 | 00:07:36,500 | 尤其是商業工會 |
| 00:07:36,500 | 00:07:38,500 | 有去做討論針對兩岸旅遊 |
| 00:07:38,500 | 00:07:40,500 | 或是直航包機的問題 |
| 00:07:40,500 | 00:07:42,500 | 去做討論 |
| 00:07:42,500 | 00:07:44,500 | 我想要問一下主委 |
| 00:07:44,500 | 00:07:46,500 | 目前我們現在台灣跟大陸直航的班機 |
| 00:07:46,500 | 00:07:48,500 | 大概今年是 |
| 00:07:48,500 | 00:07:50,500 | 直航的數量是28個 |
| 00:07:50,500 | 00:07:52,500 | 28個直航的地點 |
| 00:07:52,500 | 00:07:54,500 | 對吧 |
| 00:07:54,500 | 00:07:56,500 | 目前的我們 |
| 00:07:56,500 | 00:07:58,500 | 在跟中國大陸的 |
| 00:07:58,500 | 00:08:00,500 | 航點 |
| 00:08:00,500 | 00:08:02,500 | 目前直航的航點是15個 |
| 00:08:02,500 | 00:08:04,500 | 只有15個 |
| 00:08:04,500 | 00:08:06,500 | 包機的航點有13個 |
| 00:08:06,500 | 00:08:08,500 | 所以加起來直航有15個 |
| 00:08:08,500 | 00:08:10,500 | 包機13個總共28個 |
| 00:08:10,500 | 00:08:12,500 | 主委你知道過去 |
| 00:08:12,500 | 00:08:14,500 | 兩岸直航 |
| 00:08:14,500 | 00:08:16,500 | 直航最多的數量是多少個嗎 |
| 00:08:16,500 | 00:08:18,500 | 最多是多少個 |
| 00:08:18,500 | 00:08:20,500 | 航點是嗎 |
| 00:08:20,500 | 00:08:22,500 | 航點曾經快到 |
| 00:08:22,500 | 00:08:24,500 | 60個61個 |
| 00:08:24,500 | 00:08:26,500 | 對非常清楚 |
| 00:08:26,500 | 00:08:28,500 | 沒有被我考倒 |
| 00:08:28,500 | 00:08:30,500 | 所以的確我要跟主委報告 |
| 00:08:30,500 | 00:08:32,500 | 過去兩岸平凡交流的時候 |
| 00:08:32,500 | 00:08:34,500 | 也可能人數跟現在差不多 |
| 00:08:34,500 | 00:08:36,500 | 是61個現在降低到28個 |
| 00:08:36,500 | 00:08:38,500 | 所以造成兩岸 |
| 00:08:38,500 | 00:08:40,500 | 很多往來上 |
| 00:08:40,500 | 00:08:42,500 | 不管是台商啊探親啊旅遊 |
| 00:08:42,500 | 00:08:44,500 | 有方面的不變啊 |
| 00:08:44,500 | 00:08:46,500 | 所以我相信還會有公會 |
| 00:08:46,500 | 00:08:48,500 | 來跟主委拜託 |
| 00:08:48,500 | 00:08:50,500 | 是不是要新開新增 |
| 00:08:50,500 | 00:08:52,500 | 直航跟包機點 |
| 00:08:52,500 | 00:08:54,500 | 那我想請教說 |
| 00:08:54,500 | 00:08:56,500 | 主委有沒有聽到人民的心聲 |
| 00:08:56,500 | 00:08:58,500 | 那你未來有沒有考慮要怎麼去 |
| 00:08:58,500 | 00:09:00,500 | 增加直航跟包機的點 |
| 00:09:00,500 | 00:09:02,500 | 有沒有一個制程的規定 |
| 00:09:02,500 | 00:09:04,500 | 謝謝委員我們有請 |
| 00:09:04,500 | 00:09:06,500 | 我們民航局跟各航空業者 |
| 00:09:06,500 | 00:09:08,500 | 目前是航空業者 |
| 00:09:08,500 | 00:09:10,500 | 並沒有 |
| 00:09:10,500 | 00:09:12,500 | 新的這些 |
| 00:09:12,500 | 00:09:14,500 | 運力提出來 |
| 00:09:14,500 | 00:09:16,500 | 那雖然我們有聽到 |
| 00:09:16,500 | 00:09:18,500 | 許多的台商有這個 |
| 00:09:18,500 | 00:09:20,500 | 呼聲 |
| 00:09:20,500 | 00:09:22,500 | 但是我們也了解到 |
| 00:09:22,500 | 00:09:24,500 | 像我們不是規定了13個包機的航點 |
| 00:09:24,500 | 00:09:26,500 | 其實目前為止啊 |
| 00:09:26,500 | 00:09:28,500 | 民航局都沒有 |
| 00:09:28,500 | 00:09:30,500 | 收到相關的申請 |
| 00:09:30,500 | 00:09:32,500 | 比如說我們現在的 |
| 00:09:32,500 | 00:09:34,500 | 運力那當然我們的業者 |
| 00:09:34,500 | 00:09:36,500 | 他提供的比較慢 |
| 00:09:36,500 | 00:09:38,500 | 由於他新的這些 |
| 00:09:38,500 | 00:09:40,500 | 機組都是非其他國際 |
| 00:09:40,500 | 00:09:42,500 | 那我們也是希望 |
| 00:09:42,500 | 00:09:44,500 | 真的有運力的話 |
| 00:09:44,500 | 00:09:46,500 | 是不是可以先申請包機 |
| 00:09:46,500 | 00:09:48,500 | 那另外我們也有 |
| 00:09:48,500 | 00:09:50,500 | 你講到重點了包機你未來的方法 |
| 00:09:50,500 | 00:09:52,500 | 多久會包一次機 |
| 00:09:52,500 | 00:09:54,500 | 平凡還有我們的 |
| 00:09:54,500 | 00:09:56,500 | 完全按照 |
| 00:09:56,500 | 00:09:58,500 | 我們就按照市場的需求 |
| 00:09:58,500 | 00:10:00,500 | 那大概什麼時候 |
| 00:10:00,500 | 00:10:02,500 | 主管機關會來做進一步的 |
| 00:10:02,500 | 00:10:04,500 | 這個評估 |
| 00:10:04,500 | 00:10:06,500 | 那現在都還沒有送來 |
| 00:10:06,500 | 00:10:08,500 | 如果有包機需求的 |
| 00:10:08,500 | 00:10:10,500 | 業者也可以向我們 |
| 00:10:10,500 | 00:10:12,500 | 民航主管機關提出來 |
| 00:10:12,500 | 00:10:14,500 | 另外也跟委員報告 |
| 00:10:14,500 | 00:10:16,500 | 我們自己的直航業者 |
| 00:10:16,500 | 00:10:18,500 | 也一直申請上海 |
| 00:10:18,500 | 00:10:20,500 | 有大概十幾班 |
| 00:10:20,500 | 00:10:22,500 | 13班的上海 |
| 00:10:22,500 | 00:10:24,500 | 機場都沒有同意 |
| 00:10:24,500 | 00:10:26,500 | 這也造成我們輸運上 |
| 00:10:26,500 | 00:10:28,500 | 變得很擠我們也希望 |
| 00:10:28,500 | 00:10:30,500 | 對岸也要同意我們 |
| 00:10:30,500 | 00:10:32,500 | 直航的申請 |
| 00:10:32,500 | 00:10:34,500 | 主委報告就是因為 |
| 00:10:34,500 | 00:10:36,500 | 現在我們直航的班機跟包機的班機 |
| 00:10:36,500 | 00:10:38,500 | 跟地點越來越少 |
| 00:10:38,500 | 00:10:40,500 | 導致現在很多 |
| 00:10:40,500 | 00:10:42,500 | 我們的要通行的業者 |
| 00:10:42,500 | 00:10:44,500 | 都經過金門小山通來 |
| 00:10:44,500 | 00:10:46,500 | 前往大陸我相信主委知道這件事情 |
| 00:10:46,500 | 00:10:48,500 | 導致現在金門機場 |
| 00:10:48,500 | 00:10:50,500 | 常常大塞車客滿 |
| 00:10:50,500 | 00:10:52,500 | 導致航班各個客滿 |
| 00:10:52,500 | 00:10:54,500 | 所以本席還是拜託主委 |
| 00:10:54,500 | 00:10:56,500 | 針對民眾的遷徙 |
| 00:10:56,500 | 00:10:58,500 | 自由跟未來不要讓金門 |
| 00:10:58,500 | 00:11:00,500 | 的這個航 |
| 00:11:00,500 | 00:11:02,500 | 機場這麼嚴重的塞車 |
| 00:11:02,500 | 00:11:04,500 | 所以拜託主委這邊針對 |
| 00:11:04,500 | 00:11:06,500 | 是不是可以開放直航 |
| 00:11:06,500 | 00:11:08,500 | 讓民眾方便探親 |
| 00:11:08,500 | 00:11:10,500 | 或旅遊等等這個部分 |
| 00:11:10,500 | 00:11:12,500 | 還是希望趕快盡快做出決定 |
| 00:11:12,500 | 00:11:14,500 | 來去跟業者 |
| 00:11:14,500 | 00:11:16,500 | 來去做溝通協調 |
| 00:11:16,500 | 00:11:18,500 | 拜託主委謝謝 |
| 00:11:18,500 | 00:11:20,500 | 謝謝張委員 |
| 00:11:20,500 | 00:11:22,500 | 謝謝張志綸委員 |