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馬文君 @ 第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第29次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:03,240 | 好 謝謝主席 麻煩請顧部長 |
| 00:00:03,240 | 00:00:05,240 | 好 有請顧部長 |
| 00:00:10,000 | 00:00:11,000 | 是 馬偉永 |
| 00:00:11,000 | 00:00:12,280 | 部長好 部長 |
| 00:00:12,280 | 00:00:16,280 | 我們今年的漢光演習由本日開始 |
| 00:00:16,280 | 00:00:19,800 | 那本席也觀察到了今年跟往年比較不一樣的地方 |
| 00:00:19,800 | 00:00:21,680 | 在漢光演習之前 |
| 00:00:21,680 | 00:00:27,200 | 國防部除了延續往例的電腦輔助指揮所的演習以外 |
| 00:00:27,200 | 00:00:30,040 | 另外也安插了立即備戰操演 |
| 00:00:30,040 | 00:00:32,240 | 還有聯合防禦操演 |
| 00:00:32,240 | 00:00:34,000 | 也就是六到八月份 |
| 00:00:34,000 | 00:00:38,000 | 我們都舉行一連串的操演訓練 |
| 00:00:38,000 | 00:00:40,280 | 那最近氣候非常的炎熱 |
| 00:00:40,280 | 00:00:42,200 | 國軍弟兄也非常的辛苦 |
| 00:00:42,200 | 00:00:44,480 | 我們在很多在馬路上 |
| 00:00:44,480 | 00:00:48,800 | 像我們前天到南部去的時候 |
| 00:00:48,800 | 00:00:51,800 | 其實在路上也看到有非常多的 |
| 00:00:51,800 | 00:00:57,400 | 我們軍用車輛其實也都在路上穿梭 |
| 00:00:57,400 | 00:01:03,800 | 那我們在這個時候其實也在此表達問候之意 |
| 00:01:03,800 | 00:01:07,200 | 那因為近年兩岸敵情也非常嚴峻 |
| 00:01:07,200 | 00:01:10,880 | 中共對台灣的灰色地帶威脅也不斷的升高 |
| 00:01:10,880 | 00:01:13,880 | 也由金門、馬祖等外島地區 |
| 00:01:13,880 | 00:01:17,479 | 在台灣的西部擴展到東部的海域 |
| 00:01:17,479 | 00:01:20,479 | 所以國軍當然在改變演訓方式 |
| 00:01:20,480 | 00:01:23,560 | 還有採購各類新式武器裝備 |
| 00:01:23,560 | 00:01:25,760 | 來因應解放軍的威脅 |
| 00:01:25,760 | 00:01:28,760 | 更重要的我們國軍九訓未戰 |
| 00:01:28,760 | 00:01:30,560 | 面對人數也好 |
| 00:01:30,560 | 00:01:35,960 | 武器裝備還有它的可能軍力的投資 |
| 00:01:35,960 | 00:01:39,360 | 其實都背負於國軍的情況之下 |
| 00:01:39,360 | 00:01:41,360 | 這樣的威脅要怎麼強化 |
| 00:01:41,360 | 00:01:44,360 | 我們官兵敵我意識的精神戰力 |
| 00:01:44,360 | 00:01:46,360 | 還有培養戰場抗壓性 |
| 00:01:46,360 | 00:01:49,960 | 這是今天我們安排專報很重要的原因 |
| 00:01:49,960 | 00:01:53,960 | 所以我們也希望國防部也可以在這個部分 |
| 00:01:53,960 | 00:01:58,440 | 可以更落實的去考量或者去強化 |
| 00:01:58,440 | 00:02:06,440 | 不過在這之前也要有兩個問題要請教部長 |
| 00:02:06,440 | 00:02:10,440 | 就是說像我們剛剛其實有很多的委員 |
| 00:02:10,440 | 00:02:14,440 | 一直都提到我們現在有很多的預算 |
| 00:02:14,440 | 00:02:19,440 | 好像是在野黨還沒有同意通過 |
| 00:02:19,440 | 00:02:22,920 | 可是我們聽到最近大家討論最多的 |
| 00:02:22,920 | 00:02:23,920 | 大概就是無人機 |
| 00:02:23,920 | 00:02:24,920 | 剛剛也有委員提到 |
| 00:02:24,920 | 00:02:27,920 | 不過提到無人機的這個部分 |
| 00:02:27,920 | 00:02:32,920 | 我們可以從國防部最早開始投入的 |
| 00:02:32,920 | 00:02:34,920 | 發芽研發的階段 |
| 00:02:34,920 | 00:02:37,920 | 最早可以追溯到民國83年 |
| 00:02:37,920 | 00:02:39,920 | 1994年的時候 |
| 00:02:39,920 | 00:02:43,920 | 那時候經濟部支持中山科學研究院 |
| 00:02:43,920 | 00:02:48,920 | 來執行發展飛控還有自動駕駛 |
| 00:02:48,920 | 00:02:50,399 | 等關鍵技術 |
| 00:02:50,399 | 00:02:54,399 | 後來中科院選擇以無人機作為技術驗證的平台 |
| 00:02:54,399 | 00:02:57,399 | 發展出中翔二號無人機 |
| 00:02:57,399 | 00:02:59,399 | 這個是在三十幾年前 |
| 00:02:59,399 | 00:03:04,399 | 其實政府國防部已經投入了相當的預算跟資源 |
| 00:03:04,399 | 00:03:06,399 | 那我們也開始起步 |
| 00:03:06,399 | 00:03:09,399 | 在這個過程當中三十幾年來 |
| 00:03:09,399 | 00:03:12,399 | 其實我們也看到我們在很多的預算上 |
| 00:03:12,399 | 00:03:15,399 | 不管是從小到大的無人機 |
| 00:03:15,880 | 00:03:18,880 | 不管是兼徵型的不管是攻擊型的 |
| 00:03:18,880 | 00:03:21,880 | 或者其他的反制的無人機 |
| 00:03:21,880 | 00:03:25,880 | 其實中科院也有投入科研 |
| 00:03:25,880 | 00:03:29,880 | 像紅雀兼兵還有瑞淵 |
| 00:03:29,880 | 00:03:32,880 | 還有晉峰你們之前說的巡飛彈 |
| 00:03:32,880 | 00:03:36,880 | 還有像建翔還有像騰雲 |
| 00:03:36,880 | 00:03:40,880 | 其實很多而且我們投入的經費也不少 |
| 00:03:40,880 | 00:03:42,880 | 所以我們也希望 |
| 00:03:43,359 | 00:03:46,359 | 不管國防部或者執政黨的委員 |
| 00:03:46,359 | 00:03:50,359 | 在爭取這樣相關預算的時候不要把它一刀切 |
| 00:03:50,359 | 00:03:54,359 | 因為從三十幾年前我們其實就投入了相當的預算 |
| 00:03:54,359 | 00:03:57,359 | 在執行這些而且努力到現在 |
| 00:03:57,359 | 00:04:01,359 | 我們現在看到這麼多暴增的預算 |
| 00:04:01,359 | 00:04:05,359 | 我們想要的是第一要驗證過去 |
| 00:04:05,359 | 00:04:08,359 | 我們從小到大的無人機都做過 |
| 00:04:08,359 | 00:04:09,359 | 也都有研發 |
| 00:04:09,359 | 00:04:12,359 | 當時也都跟我們說非常的成功 |
| 00:04:12,840 | 00:04:13,840 | 那你在這個成功之餘 |
| 00:04:13,840 | 00:04:16,840 | 你可以投入到現在無人載具的發展上面 |
| 00:04:16,840 | 00:04:19,840 | 可以做什麼樣的一個挹注 |
| 00:04:19,840 | 00:04:21,840 | 沒有說得很清楚 |
| 00:04:21,840 | 00:04:24,840 | 那另外在這麼高的預算底下 |
| 00:04:24,840 | 00:04:27,840 | 我們也看到我們從過去驗證 |
| 00:04:27,840 | 00:04:29,840 | 我們希望可以驗證過去 |
| 00:04:29,840 | 00:04:31,840 | 然後你才去投資未來 |
| 00:04:31,840 | 00:04:34,840 | 我們看到的如果你覺得過去這個是不夠好的 |
| 00:04:34,840 | 00:04:36,840 | 我們到底不足在哪裡 |
| 00:04:36,840 | 00:04:38,840 | 需要什麼樣外部的關鍵技術 |
| 00:04:38,840 | 00:04:40,840 | 也沒有說明清楚 |
| 00:04:41,320 | 00:04:44,320 | 那你一下子就說要幾千億幾千億的預算 |
| 00:04:44,320 | 00:04:49,320 | 我們不知道要如何讓大家放心的去通過這麼高的預算 |
| 00:04:49,320 | 00:04:53,320 | 所以就這個部分我們也請大家不要說 |
| 00:04:53,320 | 00:04:57,320 | 一直認為說這是沒有預算的原因 |
| 00:04:57,320 | 00:04:59,320 | 那講到這個部分 |
| 00:04:59,320 | 00:05:03,320 | 我們以一個最近的例子來看 |
| 00:05:03,320 | 00:05:09,320 | 因為以目前賴政府上任兩年多以來 |
| 00:05:09,800 | 00:05:13,800 | 我們的國防預算從過去我們已經講過很多次 |
| 00:05:13,800 | 00:05:18,800 | 從三千億四千億到六我們蔡英文總統 |
| 00:05:18,800 | 00:05:23,800 | 蔡政府的六千億到現在的九千多億以外 |
| 00:05:23,800 | 00:05:28,800 | 我們通過了國防的國土認清預算一千多億 |
| 00:05:28,800 | 00:05:30,800 | 我們通過了七千八百億 |
| 00:05:30,800 | 00:05:33,800 | 我們的對美的軍購 |
| 00:05:33,800 | 00:05:36,800 | 我們現在又提出兩千一百億 |
| 00:05:37,280 | 00:05:39,280 | 還加上我們自己公務預算 |
| 00:05:39,280 | 00:05:42,280 | 其實已經高達兩兆 |
| 00:05:42,280 | 00:05:46,280 | 今年又提出很高額的國防預算 |
| 00:05:46,280 | 00:05:50,280 | 我們來看看今天有一個例子我想請教一下 |
| 00:05:50,280 | 00:05:52,280 | 這個惠敏營區 |
| 00:05:52,280 | 00:05:54,280 | 這個部分 |
| 00:05:54,280 | 00:05:56,280 | 剛剛招標了一個 |
| 00:05:56,280 | 00:05:59,280 | 在採購網上面可以查詢到 |
| 00:05:59,280 | 00:06:02,280 | 剛剛決標辦理室內教室 |
| 00:06:02,280 | 00:06:04,280 | 教育中心大樓 |
| 00:06:04,760 | 00:06:07,760 | 室外訓場以及庫儲設施 |
| 00:06:07,760 | 00:06:11,760 | 等四個工程的規劃設計及建造委託技術服務案 |
| 00:06:11,760 | 00:06:16,760 | 這個預算是在我們認清預算裡面來的對不對 |
| 00:06:16,760 | 00:06:19,760 | 跟委員報告我是憲兵參謀長 |
| 00:06:19,760 | 00:06:21,760 | 沒關係簡單回應就好 |
| 00:06:21,760 | 00:06:23,760 | 那其實這四個案子 |
| 00:06:23,760 | 00:06:25,760 | 他在工程執行的部分 |
| 00:06:25,760 | 00:06:29,760 | 其實高達將近五億的金額 |
| 00:06:29,760 | 00:06:31,760 | 是四億五千多萬 |
| 00:06:32,240 | 00:06:35,240 | 其實已經非常高的金額 |
| 00:06:35,240 | 00:06:37,240 | 所以兩年內就要執行完成 |
| 00:06:37,240 | 00:06:40,240 | 因為他是在認清預算裡面編出來的 |
| 00:06:40,240 | 00:06:44,240 | 那這惠敏營區他都是在同一個營區 |
| 00:06:44,240 | 00:06:46,240 | 我們有四個案子 |
| 00:06:46,240 | 00:06:50,240 | 這四個案子為什麼要把它拆成四案下去招標 |
| 00:06:50,240 | 00:06:53,240 | 因為我們現在決標的部分是 |
| 00:06:53,240 | 00:06:56,240 | 規劃設計及建造委託的部分 |
| 00:06:56,240 | 00:06:59,240 | 那這麼高的金額 |
| 00:06:59,240 | 00:07:01,240 | 我們為什麼把它拆成四個案子 |
| 00:07:01,720 | 00:07:03,720 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:07:03,720 | 00:07:05,720 | 我們當初是的確是有考慮到 |
| 00:07:05,720 | 00:07:07,720 | 可能考慮不周 |
| 00:07:07,720 | 00:07:08,720 | 然後把它拆成四個案 |
| 00:07:08,720 | 00:07:10,720 | 因為一月兩年期怕來不及 |
| 00:07:10,720 | 00:07:12,720 | 那後續下去也會針對這個案子 |
| 00:07:12,720 | 00:07:15,720 | 做一個全班的了解跟檢討 |
| 00:07:15,720 | 00:07:18,720 | 那後續我們會在計伏那部分 |
| 00:07:18,720 | 00:07:21,720 | 會掌握到按照期程強化 |
| 00:07:21,720 | 00:07:23,720 | 旅約督導的評事 |
| 00:07:23,720 | 00:07:25,720 | 那如期如此讓他完成 |
| 00:07:25,720 | 00:07:27,720 | 本席今天先填出來 |
| 00:07:27,720 | 00:07:29,720 | 就是說他不合理的地方 |
| 00:07:30,200 | 00:07:32,200 | 現在要請國防部注意的是 |
| 00:07:32,200 | 00:07:34,200 | 因為部長也在 |
| 00:07:34,200 | 00:07:36,200 | 對於法律相關的問題 |
| 00:07:36,200 | 00:07:37,200 | 尤其採購法 |
| 00:07:37,200 | 00:07:39,200 | 這是可以這樣拆的嗎 |
| 00:07:39,200 | 00:07:40,200 | 這是第一點 |
| 00:07:40,200 | 00:07:42,200 | 因為他在同一個營區 |
| 00:07:42,200 | 00:07:43,200 | 在同一個時段 |
| 00:07:43,200 | 00:07:45,200 | 他的預算來源其實都是一樣的 |
| 00:07:45,200 | 00:07:47,200 | 然後像這些相關的 |
| 00:07:47,200 | 00:07:49,200 | 你把它拆成四個案子 |
| 00:07:49,200 | 00:07:51,200 | 而且都是每一個案子 |
| 00:07:51,200 | 00:07:53,200 | 都是999萬 |
| 00:07:53,200 | 00:07:56,200 | 然後由同一個建築師得標 |
| 00:07:56,200 | 00:07:58,200 | 同一天招標 |
| 00:07:58,680 | 00:08:00,680 | 所以像這樣子的一個狀況 |
| 00:08:00,680 | 00:08:02,680 | 這是非常不合理的 |
| 00:08:02,680 | 00:08:04,680 | 因為剛剛我們擔心說 |
| 00:08:04,680 | 00:08:06,680 | 這麼高額4億多的工程 |
| 00:08:06,680 | 00:08:08,680 | 然後我們招標出去 |
| 00:08:08,680 | 00:08:10,680 | 是怕我們沒有辦法完成 |
| 00:08:10,680 | 00:08:13,680 | 可是你同一個建築師得標以後 |
| 00:08:13,680 | 00:08:15,680 | 他要設計四個案子 |
| 00:08:15,680 | 00:08:17,680 | 那你在這麼短只剩一年多 |
| 00:08:17,680 | 00:08:19,680 | 因為你的旅約的時間 |
| 00:08:19,680 | 00:08:23,680 | 從115年3月5號到116年12月31號 |
| 00:08:23,680 | 00:08:25,680 | 這個只有一年多的時間 |
| 00:08:25,680 | 00:08:27,680 | 你必須要執行4億多的工程 |
| 00:08:28,160 | 00:08:30,160 | 預算以外 |
| 00:08:30,160 | 00:08:32,159 | 包括他的設計 |
| 00:08:32,159 | 00:08:34,159 | 因為你裡面還有訊場 |
| 00:08:34,159 | 00:08:36,159 | 像這樣的一個東西 |
| 00:08:36,159 | 00:08:38,159 | 其實他都必須要經過審核 |
| 00:08:38,159 | 00:08:40,159 | 他才可以通過的 |
| 00:08:40,159 | 00:08:42,159 | 那你過去像我們 |
| 00:08:42,159 | 00:08:44,159 | 在前身像我們的堅實營區 |
| 00:08:44,159 | 00:08:46,160 | 其實他都是憲兵的嘛 |
| 00:08:46,160 | 00:08:48,160 | 堅實營區部長也有去檢查 |
| 00:08:48,160 | 00:08:50,160 | 那個光是他的工程 |
| 00:08:50,160 | 00:08:52,160 | 才2億多 |
| 00:08:52,160 | 00:08:54,160 | 他都要做四五年以上 |
| 00:08:54,160 | 00:08:56,160 | 那你這個4億多的工程 |
| 00:08:56,640 | 00:08:58,640 | 你可以一年多就把它執行完成 |
| 00:08:58,640 | 00:09:00,640 | 而且只有一家 |
| 00:09:00,640 | 00:09:02,640 | 你剛剛說怕執行不來 |
| 00:09:02,640 | 00:09:04,640 | 所以把它拆成四個案子 |
| 00:09:04,640 | 00:09:06,640 | 這是很矛盾邏輯不通的 |
| 00:09:06,640 | 00:09:08,640 | 你拆成四個結果有一家得標 |
| 00:09:08,640 | 00:09:10,640 | 那這一家他必須要設計四個案子以外 |
| 00:09:10,640 | 00:09:12,640 | 才去配合一些工程的廠商 |
| 00:09:12,640 | 00:09:14,640 | 這一個部分我們現在先點出來 |
| 00:09:14,640 | 00:09:16,640 | 希望先去查查清楚以後 |
| 00:09:16,640 | 00:09:18,640 | 後續應該要怎麼樣做處置 |
| 00:09:18,640 | 00:09:20,640 | 如果他沒有辦法符合我們 |
| 00:09:20,640 | 00:09:22,640 | 因為我們看到我們過去 |
| 00:09:22,640 | 00:09:24,640 | 我們不管長安營區 |
| 00:09:25,120 | 00:09:27,120 | 我們的所有坑子口 |
| 00:09:27,120 | 00:09:29,120 | 我們的軍博館 |
| 00:09:29,120 | 00:09:31,120 | 還有我們所有的訓場 |
| 00:09:31,120 | 00:09:33,120 | 動輒都好幾年 |
| 00:09:33,120 | 00:09:35,120 | 甚至都有延長工期 |
| 00:09:35,120 | 00:09:37,120 | 那你居然可以這麼高的預算 |
| 00:09:37,120 | 00:09:39,120 | 可以在這麼短的時間執行 |
| 00:09:39,120 | 00:09:41,120 | 那這個部分 |
| 00:09:41,120 | 00:09:43,120 | 第一為什麼拆 |
| 00:09:43,120 | 00:09:45,120 | 為什麼只有一家投標 |
| 00:09:45,120 | 00:09:47,120 | 我們還可以讓他通過 |
| 00:09:47,120 | 00:09:49,120 | 而且他是同一天照標的 |
| 00:09:49,120 | 00:09:51,120 | 這些希望可以後續把它 |
| 00:09:51,120 | 00:09:53,120 | 理清楚以後 |
| 00:09:53,600 | 00:09:55,600 | 那我今天特別提到這個案子 |
| 00:09:55,600 | 00:09:57,600 | 主要的目的是因為 |
| 00:09:57,600 | 00:09:59,600 | 我剛剛念了一堆 |
| 00:09:59,600 | 00:10:01,600 | 很多的預算 |
| 00:10:01,600 | 00:10:03,600 | 我們現在說 |
| 00:10:03,600 | 00:10:05,600 | 我們吃東西重不重要 |
| 00:10:05,600 | 00:10:07,600 | 在我們桌上擺滿了 |
| 00:10:07,600 | 00:10:09,600 | 食物 |
| 00:10:09,600 | 00:10:11,600 | 今天如果說你一次 |
| 00:10:11,600 | 00:10:13,600 | 只能吃多少量 |
| 00:10:13,600 | 00:10:15,600 | 你只能吞多少東西 |
| 00:10:15,600 | 00:10:17,600 | 每一個都很營養沒有錯 |
| 00:10:17,600 | 00:10:19,600 | 可是你在短期之內 |
| 00:10:19,600 | 00:10:21,600 | 你就是吞不了你就是吃不下 |
| 00:10:22,080 | 00:10:24,080 | 所以我們希望在我們 |
| 00:10:24,080 | 00:10:26,080 | 所有的預算的運用上面 |
| 00:10:26,080 | 00:10:28,080 | 因為這個都是大家 |
| 00:10:28,080 | 00:10:30,080 | 的血汗錢 |
| 00:10:30,080 | 00:10:32,080 | 大家要怎麼樣去運用這些錢 |
| 00:10:32,080 | 00:10:34,080 | 你編了這麼多你根本就 |
| 00:10:34,080 | 00:10:36,080 | 沒有辦法執行包括我們的 |
| 00:10:36,080 | 00:10:38,080 | 反制無人機的系統 |
| 00:10:38,080 | 00:10:40,080 | 已經三年了你連九億 |
| 00:10:40,080 | 00:10:42,080 | 多都標不出去你現在 |
| 00:10:42,080 | 00:10:44,080 | 又要幾千億幾千億的編 |
| 00:10:44,080 | 00:10:46,080 | 我們不知道要如何去 |
| 00:10:46,080 | 00:10:48,080 | 驗證這個過去的 |
| 00:10:48,080 | 00:10:50,080 | 時機讓我們可以相信 |
| 00:10:50,560 | 00:10:52,560 | 本席舉這個例子就是說你 |
| 00:10:52,560 | 00:10:54,560 | 為什麼 |
| 00:10:54,560 | 00:10:56,560 | 他就是倉促 |
| 00:10:56,560 | 00:10:58,560 | 提出來的你兩年 |
| 00:10:58,560 | 00:11:00,560 | 要去蓋這些這幾個東西 |
| 00:11:00,560 | 00:11:02,560 | 不管是整修案還是 |
| 00:11:02,560 | 00:11:04,560 | 什麼你過去有很多 |
| 00:11:04,560 | 00:11:06,560 | 都說要經過很多的驗測 |
| 00:11:06,560 | 00:11:08,560 | 還有很多的報告一拖 |
| 00:11:08,560 | 00:11:10,560 | 光是你的 |
| 00:11:10,560 | 00:11:12,560 | 那個專案設計其實都 |
| 00:11:12,560 | 00:11:14,560 | 要拖很長的時間所以你 |
| 00:11:14,560 | 00:11:16,560 | 現在短短六十天要把它做出來 |
| 00:11:16,560 | 00:11:18,560 | 我覺得非常不可思議 |
| 00:11:18,560 | 00:11:20,560 | 所以這個吃金龍花腕 |
| 00:11:20,560 | 00:11:22,560 | 這可能會拒絕 |
| 00:11:22,560 | 00:11:24,560 | 所以不要只是要錢 |
| 00:11:24,560 | 00:11:26,560 | 不要只是說預算要馬上 |
| 00:11:26,560 | 00:11:28,560 | 到手先回頭看看 |
| 00:11:28,560 | 00:11:30,560 | 過去我們所有的時機 |
| 00:11:30,560 | 00:11:32,560 | 我們說三十幾年來 |
| 00:11:32,560 | 00:11:34,560 | 我們的無人機不是今天 |
| 00:11:34,560 | 00:11:36,560 | 才要做不是今天才要 |
| 00:11:36,560 | 00:11:38,560 | 買不是今天才有預算 |
| 00:11:38,560 | 00:11:40,560 | 你過去花掉的 |
| 00:11:40,560 | 00:11:42,560 | 到底有什麼樣的成果 |
| 00:11:42,560 | 00:11:44,560 | 先讓我們所有的國人 |
| 00:11:44,560 | 00:11:46,560 | 清楚的看到這樣我們才知道 |
| 00:11:46,560 | 00:11:48,560 | 在戰場上它能不能 |
| 00:11:48,560 | 00:11:50,560 | 發揮作用所以 |
| 00:11:50,560 | 00:11:52,560 | 它不是錢一次到位或者 |
| 00:11:52,560 | 00:11:54,560 | 一次要過多少而是 |
| 00:11:54,560 | 00:11:56,560 | 先讓大家知道你們要怎麼執行 |
| 00:11:56,560 | 00:11:58,560 | 我們現在還擔心的一部分 |
| 00:11:58,560 | 00:12:00,560 | 就是我們花了這麼多 |
| 00:12:00,560 | 00:12:02,560 | 的錢編了這麼多的預算 |
| 00:12:02,560 | 00:12:04,560 | 你的人到底在哪裡 |
| 00:12:04,560 | 00:12:06,560 | 因為我們所有的武器裝備我們 |
| 00:12:06,560 | 00:12:08,560 | 所有的這些 |
| 00:12:08,560 | 00:12:10,560 | 需要你花掉的這些 |
| 00:12:10,560 | 00:12:12,560 | 預算它都需要人 |
| 00:12:12,560 | 00:12:14,560 | 去執行我們現在最大的 |
| 00:12:14,560 | 00:12:16,560 | 問題包括我們的飛行員 |
| 00:12:16,560 | 00:12:18,560 | 都不足這是美軍 |
| 00:12:18,560 | 00:12:20,560 | 說的所以 |
| 00:12:20,560 | 00:12:22,560 | 如果你買了一堆 |
| 00:12:22,560 | 00:12:24,560 | 然後我們沒有人應該要怎麼辦 |
| 00:12:24,560 | 00:12:26,560 | 這也不是單獨漢光演習 |
| 00:12:26,560 | 00:12:28,560 | 的時間而是它現在 |
| 00:12:28,560 | 00:12:30,560 | 確實就是存在的 |
| 00:12:30,560 | 00:12:32,560 | 問題我們希望大家 |
| 00:12:32,560 | 00:12:34,560 | 好好的去釐清這一些以後 |
| 00:12:34,560 | 00:12:36,560 | 才來告訴我們的國人 |
| 00:12:36,560 | 00:12:38,560 | 當我要花掉你幾千億幾千 |
| 00:12:38,560 | 00:12:40,560 | 億的國防預算的時候 |
| 00:12:40,560 | 00:12:42,560 | 大家可以給國軍信心 |
| 00:12:42,560 | 00:12:44,560 | 因為國軍在過去採購的過程當中 |
| 00:12:44,560 | 00:12:46,560 | 也應該要給國人信心 |
| 00:12:46,560 | 00:12:48,560 | 不然我們怕 |
| 00:12:48,560 | 00:12:50,560 | 買來的東西在戰場上 |
| 00:12:50,560 | 00:12:52,560 | 如果不能用 |
| 00:12:52,560 | 00:12:54,560 | 或者不好用或者 |
| 00:12:54,560 | 00:12:56,560 | 他根本不能打 |
| 00:12:56,560 | 00:12:58,560 | 其實這才是最大的問題 |
| 00:12:58,560 | 00:13:00,560 | 所以今天我們特別提出來 |
| 00:13:00,560 | 00:13:02,560 | 剛剛我提到的這個案子 |
| 00:13:02,560 | 00:13:04,560 | 今天沒有很多的時間 |
| 00:13:04,560 | 00:13:06,560 | 去說明可是我們請部長 |
| 00:13:06,560 | 00:13:08,560 | 還有我們憲兵 |
| 00:13:08,560 | 00:13:10,560 | 參謀長就這個部分 |
| 00:13:10,560 | 00:13:12,560 | 請問部長要清楚後續的作為 |
| 00:13:12,560 | 00:13:14,560 | 還要怎麼去執行 |
| 00:13:14,560 | 00:13:16,560 | 請給出一個說明 |
| 00:13:16,560 | 00:13:18,560 | 還有詳細的一個 |
| 00:13:18,560 | 00:13:20,560 | 後續的作為好不好 |
| 00:13:20,560 | 00:13:22,560 | 好 |
| 00:13:22,560 | 00:13:24,560 | 謝謝 |
| 00:13:24,560 | 00:13:26,560 | 部長要說明嗎 |
| 00:13:26,560 | 00:13:28,560 | 好謝謝 |