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王義川 @ 第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第29次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:02,000 | 好 謝謝主席 請部長 |
| 00:00:02,000 | 00:00:03,000 | 請郭部長 |
| 00:00:08,500 | 00:00:09,500 | 好 部長 |
| 00:00:09,500 | 00:00:12,000 | 請看其他同仁要協助 |
| 00:00:12,000 | 00:00:14,500 | 第一個就是說我們的不管 |
| 00:00:14,500 | 00:00:16,000 | 就是說這個志願役 |
| 00:00:16,000 | 00:00:18,500 | 志願役的軍官 |
| 00:00:18,500 | 00:00:20,500 | 他現在做志願役嘛 |
| 00:00:20,500 | 00:00:22,500 | 那他總有家人 |
| 00:00:22,500 | 00:00:25,500 | 那家人呢 剛沈柏楊委員提到就是說 |
| 00:00:25,500 | 00:00:27,500 | 對這些家人的這一些 |
| 00:00:27,500 | 00:00:29,500 | 也許對這些家人的滲透 |
| 00:00:29,500 | 00:00:31,500 | 我關心的題目是 |
| 00:00:31,500 | 00:00:34,500 | 對這些家人的照顧 |
| 00:00:34,500 | 00:00:37,500 | 我們國軍做了什麼樣的努力 |
| 00:00:37,500 | 00:00:38,500 | 國安部做什麼樣的努力 |
| 00:00:38,500 | 00:00:41,500 | 就是說他現在是軍中可能在做 |
| 00:00:41,500 | 00:00:45,500 | 做這個中校啊 做少尉 做中尉嘛 |
| 00:00:45,500 | 00:00:47,500 | 可是處理事情一堆啦 |
| 00:00:47,500 | 00:00:49,500 | 處理事情一堆 |
| 00:00:49,500 | 00:00:52,500 | 他可能有家裡的這個 |
| 00:00:52,500 | 00:00:53,500 | 比較像夫妻之間的課題 |
| 00:00:53,500 | 00:00:56,500 | 小朋友的課題 父母生病的課題 |
| 00:00:56,500 | 00:00:59,500 | 他就每天為了這個都操心 |
| 00:00:59,500 | 00:01:02,500 | 不時就家裡就打電話來 |
| 00:01:02,500 | 00:01:05,500 | 說什麼人又怎樣 什麼人又怎樣 |
| 00:01:05,500 | 00:01:08,500 | 就是說我們的國安部對這些志願役的軍官 |
| 00:01:08,500 | 00:01:10,500 | 然後士官們 |
| 00:01:10,500 | 00:01:12,500 | 他們在這個服役的期間 |
| 00:01:12,500 | 00:01:14,500 | 對他們的家人 |
| 00:01:14,500 | 00:01:18,500 | 這一塊有沒有什麼特別的這個照顧 |
| 00:01:18,500 | 00:01:22,500 | 不然每天為了這個家庭的事情 |
| 00:01:22,500 | 00:01:26,500 | 反而他也沒什麼心情 |
| 00:01:26,500 | 00:01:29,500 | 好好來做這個兵啊 你看 |
| 00:01:29,500 | 00:01:32,500 | 政戰局應該有一些專案 |
| 00:01:32,500 | 00:01:34,500 | 或者是 |
| 00:01:36,500 | 00:01:39,500 | 我是政戰局局長 石順文 |
| 00:01:39,500 | 00:01:43,500 | 有關於包含現在眷屬的一些照顧 |
| 00:01:43,500 | 00:01:44,500 | 軍人家庭的一些照顧 |
| 00:01:44,500 | 00:01:49,500 | 包含現在有關於0到6歲 |
| 00:01:49,500 | 00:01:52,500 | 或者是6歲到還沒有上小學之前 |
| 00:01:52,500 | 00:01:54,500 | 我們現在都有研擬一些 |
| 00:01:54,500 | 00:01:57,500 | 在教育上面的一些補助措施 |
| 00:01:57,500 | 00:01:59,500 | 那麼另外 針對0到2歲 |
| 00:01:59,500 | 00:02:02,500 | 我們現在有一個就是非營利幼兒園 |
| 00:02:02,500 | 00:02:05,500 | 主要是針對選民權的一些 |
| 00:02:05,500 | 00:02:07,500 | 小孩的一個照顧 |
| 00:02:07,500 | 00:02:08,500 | 軍人家庭的照顧 |
| 00:02:08,500 | 00:02:10,500 | 那麼現在我們也在規劃 |
| 00:02:10,500 | 00:02:13,500 | 就是0到2歲幼兒的 |
| 00:02:13,500 | 00:02:15,500 | 不是啦 這你們本隊就在做啦 |
| 00:02:15,500 | 00:02:20,500 | 我是說 他就去當這個志願役了嘛 |
| 00:02:20,500 | 00:02:23,500 | 那家裡頭總是會有一些大大小小的事情 |
| 00:02:23,500 | 00:02:27,500 | 常常也希望能夠請他回來處理啦 |
| 00:02:27,500 | 00:02:29,500 | 常常看到說 |
| 00:02:29,500 | 00:02:31,500 | 家裡的老人還長大了 |
| 00:02:31,500 | 00:02:33,500 | 家裡的小朋友還怎麼樣 |
| 00:02:33,500 | 00:02:36,500 | 家裡的兄弟又惹事了啦 |
| 00:02:36,500 | 00:02:38,500 | 這些我們對這些軍官們 |
| 00:02:38,500 | 00:02:40,500 | 這些軍事官們 |
| 00:02:40,500 | 00:02:41,500 | 他們在這個服役期間 |
| 00:02:41,500 | 00:02:44,500 | 如果過程中經常會遇到 |
| 00:02:44,500 | 00:02:45,500 | 這樣的困擾 |
| 00:02:45,500 | 00:02:47,500 | 我們有沒有什麼樣的機制 |
| 00:02:47,500 | 00:02:49,500 | 能夠協助他們 |
| 00:02:49,500 | 00:02:51,500 | 不然他有時候不惜要親你 |
| 00:02:51,500 | 00:02:53,500 | 我們總是 |
| 00:02:53,500 | 00:02:54,500 | 我們家裡有事情 |
| 00:02:54,500 | 00:02:56,500 | 這個總是請教有一個規則 |
| 00:02:56,500 | 00:02:58,500 | 這個有沒有什麼樣的機制 |
| 00:02:58,500 | 00:03:00,500 | 對國軍 |
| 00:03:00,500 | 00:03:02,500 | 我只講對國軍喔 |
| 00:03:02,500 | 00:03:04,500 | 對國軍特別的這樣的照顧 |
| 00:03:04,500 | 00:03:06,500 | 市委員 |
| 00:03:06,500 | 00:03:07,500 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:03:07,500 | 00:03:09,500 | 我是國防部法律事務司司長 |
| 00:03:09,500 | 00:03:11,500 | 那我們對國軍在 |
| 00:03:11,500 | 00:03:13,500 | 發生家庭有糾紛 |
| 00:03:13,500 | 00:03:15,500 | 或是跟外界有相關的訴訟 |
| 00:03:15,500 | 00:03:17,500 | 或是民事或刑事上面 |
| 00:03:17,500 | 00:03:19,500 | 我們國防部有一個公聘律師的機制 |
| 00:03:19,500 | 00:03:21,500 | 我不是說他本人啦 |
| 00:03:21,500 | 00:03:25,500 | 對家屬也是我們服務的對象 |
| 00:03:25,500 | 00:03:26,500 | 部長我先問一下 |
| 00:03:26,500 | 00:03:28,500 | 部長為什麼會這樣提 |
| 00:03:28,500 | 00:03:30,500 | 因為如果這些事情 |
| 00:03:30,500 | 00:03:32,500 | 我們的軍官沒辦法 |
| 00:03:32,500 | 00:03:34,500 | 有這個好好的處理或協助 |
| 00:03:34,500 | 00:03:36,500 | 就跟我們國防部在後面協助他 |
| 00:03:36,500 | 00:03:37,500 | 那弄到最後的結果 |
| 00:03:37,500 | 00:03:39,500 | 可能他們休息一晚比較少錢 |
| 00:03:39,500 | 00:03:41,500 | 他們休息一晚比較少錢 |
| 00:03:41,500 | 00:03:43,500 | 到最後就會影響到這個軍官 |
| 00:03:43,500 | 00:03:45,500 | 最後他們休息 |
| 00:03:45,500 | 00:03:47,500 | 有可能去用滲透 |
| 00:03:47,500 | 00:03:49,500 | 我記一下他們休息過年 |
| 00:03:49,500 | 00:03:51,500 | 大家吃團圓飯 |
| 00:03:51,500 | 00:03:53,500 | 說哥哥你最近補隊了 |
| 00:03:53,500 | 00:03:55,500 | 有什麼特別的嗎 |
| 00:03:55,500 | 00:03:57,500 | 你最近聽說你又損隊 |
| 00:03:57,500 | 00:03:59,500 | 你損隊後 |
| 00:03:59,500 | 00:04:01,500 | 現在都在做什麼看你很忙 |
| 00:04:01,500 | 00:04:02,500 | 很少回來處理 |
| 00:04:02,500 | 00:04:04,500 | 就透過這樣的方式 |
| 00:04:04,500 | 00:04:06,500 | 他也許就掌握了一些訊息 |
| 00:04:06,500 | 00:04:08,500 | 我的意思是說 |
| 00:04:08,500 | 00:04:10,500 | 對軍官本人 |
| 00:04:10,500 | 00:04:12,500 | 當然你們會有一些教育的模式 |
| 00:04:12,500 | 00:04:14,500 | 但是對他的家人 |
| 00:04:14,500 | 00:04:16,500 | 不管是上下的父母 |
| 00:04:16,500 | 00:04:18,500 | 或者是兄弟姊妹 |
| 00:04:18,500 | 00:04:20,500 | 或者是他的家裡的小孩 |
| 00:04:20,500 | 00:04:22,500 | 這一些事情 |
| 00:04:22,500 | 00:04:24,500 | 我們有沒有什麼一套的方式 |
| 00:04:24,500 | 00:04:26,500 | 國防部做軍官的後盾 |
| 00:04:26,500 | 00:04:28,500 | 協助讓他不要去困擾這些課題 |
| 00:04:28,500 | 00:04:30,500 | 是 我想委員指導的 |
| 00:04:30,500 | 00:04:32,500 | 我了解了 |
| 00:04:32,500 | 00:04:34,500 | 這個我想他家庭方面 |
| 00:04:34,500 | 00:04:36,500 | 有任何的困擾就會影響他本人 |
| 00:04:36,500 | 00:04:38,500 | 那你說他本人有任何的困難 |
| 00:04:38,500 | 00:04:40,500 | 他只要反映到軍方 |
| 00:04:40,500 | 00:04:42,500 | 我想軍方都會願意來協助 |
| 00:04:42,500 | 00:04:44,500 | 那就看各種不同的事項 |
| 00:04:44,500 | 00:04:46,500 | 財務的部分 |
| 00:04:46,500 | 00:04:48,500 | 如果他有任何的困難 |
| 00:04:48,500 | 00:04:50,500 | 我們也會來理解 |
| 00:04:50,500 | 00:04:52,500 | 比如說我們現在有推出 |
| 00:04:52,500 | 00:04:54,500 | 急難貸款 |
| 00:04:54,500 | 00:04:56,500 | 那這個部分 |
| 00:04:56,500 | 00:04:58,500 | 也可以來進行 |
| 00:04:58,500 | 00:05:00,500 | 有的對 |
| 00:05:00,500 | 00:05:02,500 | 現在的委員講到重點 |
| 00:05:02,500 | 00:05:04,500 | 就是說他有的不講 |
| 00:05:04,500 | 00:05:06,500 | 有時候他的家人也不願意講 |
| 00:05:06,500 | 00:05:08,500 | 不太願意講 |
| 00:05:08,500 | 00:05:10,500 | 那這個部分的話 |
| 00:05:10,500 | 00:05:12,500 | 如果他真的有形成壓力 |
| 00:05:12,500 | 00:05:14,500 | 或者是一些困擾的話 |
| 00:05:14,500 | 00:05:16,500 | 我想一方面我們的福島幹部 |
| 00:05:16,500 | 00:05:18,500 | 應該要主動了解 |
| 00:05:18,500 | 00:05:20,500 | 那另外一個就是說 |
| 00:05:20,500 | 00:05:22,500 | 我們要有一個好的辛苦制度 |
| 00:05:22,500 | 00:05:24,500 | 因為我們有民間 |
| 00:05:24,500 | 00:05:26,500 | 那他可以去跟民間的辛苦制度來聊 |
| 00:05:26,500 | 00:05:28,500 | 但是確實 |
| 00:05:28,500 | 00:05:30,500 | 還是有一點 |
| 00:05:30,500 | 00:05:32,500 | 他要是真的 |
| 00:05:32,500 | 00:05:34,500 | 什麼都不肯講的話 |
| 00:05:34,500 | 00:05:36,500 | 那我們就要從他的工作上面 |
| 00:05:36,500 | 00:05:38,500 | 工作上面的表現 |
| 00:05:38,500 | 00:05:40,500 | 他有沒有產生一些 |
| 00:05:42,500 | 00:05:44,500 | 狀況的一個呈現 |
| 00:05:44,500 | 00:05:46,500 | 然後去進行關心 |
| 00:05:46,500 | 00:05:48,500 | 這個可能再想一下 |
| 00:05:48,500 | 00:05:50,500 | 因為大家都有家人 |
| 00:05:50,500 | 00:05:52,500 | 他有的不好意思講 |
| 00:05:52,500 | 00:05:54,500 | 怕說出來流口水 |
| 00:05:54,500 | 00:05:56,500 | 所以怎麼樣去有這樣的機制 |
| 00:05:56,500 | 00:05:58,500 | 提早的發現 |
| 00:05:58,500 | 00:06:00,500 | 提早的來做協助 |
| 00:06:00,500 | 00:06:02,500 | 第二個 |
| 00:06:02,500 | 00:06:04,500 | 你們在做這些跟政治作戰有關的時候 |
| 00:06:04,500 | 00:06:06,500 | 我看你們會找一些講師 |
| 00:06:06,500 | 00:06:08,500 | 來上課 |
| 00:06:08,500 | 00:06:10,500 | 請問部長 |
| 00:06:10,500 | 00:06:12,500 | 這些上課的教材 |
| 00:06:12,500 | 00:06:14,500 | 對國防部來說 |
| 00:06:14,500 | 00:06:16,500 | 相關的單位來說 |
| 00:06:16,500 | 00:06:18,500 | 有沒有一個審議的機制 |
| 00:06:18,500 | 00:06:20,500 | 還是這個老師 |
| 00:06:20,500 | 00:06:22,500 | 這個教授長期做兩岸關係 |
| 00:06:22,500 | 00:06:24,500 | 就告定都請他來上課 |
| 00:06:24,500 | 00:06:26,500 | 他也說得不錯 |
| 00:06:26,500 | 00:06:28,500 | 也很受歡迎 |
| 00:06:28,500 | 00:06:30,500 | 可是也許他的這個 |
| 00:06:30,500 | 00:06:32,500 | 談的這些課題 |
| 00:06:32,500 | 00:06:34,500 | 現在已經都弄亂了 |
| 00:06:34,500 | 00:06:36,500 | 或者是他講的那些內容 |
| 00:06:36,500 | 00:06:38,500 | 即使國防部有更新相關的資料 |
| 00:06:38,500 | 00:06:40,500 | 他還是拿舊的再講 |
| 00:06:40,500 | 00:06:42,500 | 這些狀況我們在上課 |
| 00:06:42,500 | 00:06:44,500 | 這些教材上 |
| 00:06:44,500 | 00:06:46,500 | 有沒有相關的審議機制 |
| 00:06:46,500 | 00:06:48,500 | 還是完全就讓這個老師 |
| 00:06:48,500 | 00:06:50,500 | 也許從外面聘來的老師上課 |
| 00:06:50,500 | 00:06:52,500 | 就尊重他上課的內容 |
| 00:06:56,500 | 00:06:58,500 | 委員好我是政戰局 |
| 00:06:58,500 | 00:07:00,500 | 委員新戰處處長 |
| 00:07:00,500 | 00:07:02,500 | 跟委員報告有關老師在上課之前 |
| 00:07:02,500 | 00:07:04,500 | 其實我們都會先研擬他希望他上課 |
| 00:07:04,500 | 00:07:06,500 | 講授的一些重點跟主軸 |
| 00:07:06,500 | 00:07:08,500 | 然後簽證核准了以後 |
| 00:07:08,500 | 00:07:10,500 | 我們會找老師來研討 |
| 00:07:10,500 | 00:07:12,500 | 然後老師的這些教案我們後續 |
| 00:07:12,500 | 00:07:14,500 | 會有我們像不管是舉光園地也好 |
| 00:07:14,500 | 00:07:16,500 | 或是說各項的 |
| 00:07:16,500 | 00:07:18,500 | 國軍在推動的專案教育的課程 |
| 00:07:18,500 | 00:07:20,500 | 我們政戰局都會有 |
| 00:07:20,500 | 00:07:22,500 | 邀請專家學者跟 |
| 00:07:22,500 | 00:07:24,500 | 我們部內的長官相關的聯參 |
| 00:07:24,500 | 00:07:26,500 | 來進行共同的審查以上報告 |
| 00:07:26,500 | 00:07:28,500 | 那事後嗎 |
| 00:07:28,500 | 00:07:30,500 | 上課前就會做了解 |
| 00:07:30,500 | 00:07:32,500 | 不要說上課假如他今天講了30張投影片 |
| 00:07:32,500 | 00:07:34,500 | 這30張投影片事先你們都看過 |
| 00:07:34,500 | 00:07:36,500 | 還是怎樣 |
| 00:07:36,500 | 00:07:38,500 | 我們都會先請老師提供給我們他的受課的 |
| 00:07:38,500 | 00:07:40,500 | 簡報跟這個 |
| 00:07:40,500 | 00:07:42,500 | 內容讓我們來做一個了解 |
| 00:07:42,500 | 00:07:44,500 | 那他如果上課這個過程 |
| 00:07:44,500 | 00:07:46,500 | 講述的內容已經跟我們 |
| 00:07:46,500 | 00:07:48,500 | 國軍跟國防部 |
| 00:07:48,500 | 00:07:50,500 | 的這個方向已經有一點偏掉了 |
| 00:07:50,500 | 00:07:52,500 | 那事後也需要再溝通 |
| 00:07:52,500 | 00:07:54,500 | 是 |
| 00:07:54,500 | 00:07:56,500 | 謝謝那我今天就這樣謝謝 |
| 00:07:56,500 | 00:07:58,500 | 謝謝委員 |