| IVOD_ID |
17080 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17080 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第11次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第11次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-28T08:31:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-28T16:54:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
08:22:53 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a6096d2e3f94b797b450bdae56b7a60aa52c85db5c09cad80ab79b4e41d41d2941805ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第11次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。（11月28日）二、討論事項：本院財政、內政、經濟、交通、社會福利及衛生環境五委員會報告審查行政院函請審議「中央政府花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖災後重建特別預算案」案等9案。（12月2日）三、11月28日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
| 委員名稱 |
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我們現在進行國事論壇每位委員發言三分鐘首先我們請洪孟凱委員發言羅志強委員請準備主席 |
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卓院長以及我們行政官員還有我們立院所有同仁我想前天看到新聞畫面香港洪福院發生大火而惡火無情已經看到有近百名的港人罹難並且還有百名的港人受傷還有失聯者 |
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如此的重大災難過去實在難以想像此刻我想我們都一起為香港祈福希望能夠陪同香港的朋友度過這一次非常艱鉅的難關天佑香港 香港加油 |
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但我們也要看到在社會變遷如此快速的時候我們也希望能夠為我們自己台灣來努力為我們中華民國來打拼所以開宗明義先強調在野黨以及全體國人我們絕對不反對增強台灣的軍事能力 |
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我們增強中華民國的防衛自主能力但更重要的是增加的國防預算要增加台灣更安全增加的國防預算要讓中華民國更有底氣購買武器有沒有確實如期如實的到貨這是國人所要問的 |
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截至目前為止國防部也承認我們有6500多億的國防預算是已經交錢但是貨還沒有到我們台灣包括F16戰機等相關的武器這都是過去兩三年裡面本來應該要交貨但是持續跳票的而現在總統又在昨天也通過行政院會提出來所謂 |
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相關的國防特別預算1.25兆姑且不論這樣的一個金額在之前10月的時候就已經被我們在野黨的委員到美國先去公佈1.3兆的數目著實相符合而更重要的是我們要了解到底我們要花如此巨額的一個金額購買的武器是不是真的能夠符合台灣現在的現況 |
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以及最重要的是這樣子的一個狀況會不會能夠往後如期如實的到貨還有巨額的增加國防的預算也會不會在未來排擠到我們的社福支出以及民生支出我們支持會給台灣人民的安全保障國防預算但絕對不是要來發生戰爭絕對不是要來發生衝突 |
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我們希望身為三軍統帥的中華民國總統能夠更加的謹言慎行尤其是在前天的記者會上面把2027年完成武統台灣的目標講出來雖然後續加上了的準備三個字但是能夠謹言慎行還是要謹言慎行我們一起努力捍衛中華民國為中華民國 |
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十年風雲煥 台海啟郎煙昔日春水靜 今日刀光寒 |
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賴慶德總統說2027年中共將武統台灣所以他要編列1.25兆的天價軍費在這邊我的第一個感慨是也不過就在10年前中國國民黨執政的時候當時所有大陸人民對於台灣 |
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就是一句最美的評語台灣最美的風景是人十年後賴清德說2027年就要武統台灣了什麼時候台海的和平變成今天可能將要來的戰爭籠罩 |
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這難道不是我們所有台灣人民要思考的第一件事嗎我第二個感慨是也就在三年多前當時發生的烏克蘭戰爭俄羅斯入侵烏克蘭戰爭已經將近三年半快要四年了 |
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百萬的軍隊傷亡千萬的平民流離烏克蘭家園被毀換來今天的28點協議割地 限武不能加入北約活生生的就是一個投降的協議我要問我們的賴清德總統當時 |
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而無衝突的時候民進黨上上下下都說我們都是烏克蘭人我請卓榮泰院長今天也站出來說民進黨都是烏克蘭人台灣要當烏克蘭人要不要再說一遍要不要再說一遍中國國民黨從來沒有反對過今天維持我們的戰備 |
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馬英九執政 國民黨執政的時候一年三千億的國防預算現在多少錢一年九千五百億再加1.25兆 2.2兆的軍費買到的是海峽中線的輪上買到的是兩岸兵兇站圍買到的是我們將要成為烏克蘭人台灣人能接受嗎 謝謝 |
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謝謝羅志強委員的發言接下來我們請麥玉珍委員發言張志倫委員請準備 |
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主席各位親愛的家人大家好114年11月21日是感恩的日子內政部組織法新住民發展署組織法正式三讀通過是為了百萬新住民與家庭建立 |
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專責單位是完整看見未來的政策我心中充滿的感恩與感動我要向全院跨黨派同仁致上最深的謝意 |
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這部法案能走到今天是因為大家願意共同承擔人口勞動文化與國際競爭力的責任謝謝各位願意傾聽願意理解也願意在關鍵時刻站出來 |
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也要肯定行政院與內政部的努力三讀通過代表行政院與國會達成共識認同新住民是國家未來發展的夥伴我們一起持續督促新住民發展署的成立讓法例不只寫在紙上而是真真走進每一個家庭 |
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最重要的是向所有新住民與新二代說聲謝謝你們選擇台灣在台灣打拼納稅育兒養家用行動證明新住民不是弱勢而是台灣最重要的人力交易文化經濟 |
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以国际接轨的桥梁台湾有超过200万新住民家庭及外籍人士他们是台湾社会稳定与经济发展不可缺的力量但过去西澳多十多个部会分散管理责任模糊 窗口分裂人民奔波求助的问题不是偶然 |
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而是制度長期缺口今天我們終於把這個結構建立起來成立新住民發展署是為了台灣整體不是為了某一個族群發展署是人口政策的支柱 |
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是面對少子化與人才競爭新二代是台灣與世界發展的資產新發屬是社會穩定的基礎讓政策一致到位也是人民最需要的一戰式服務讓家庭不要再奔波我們不是為少數人立法 |
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而是為了下一代為國家永續發展而立法新住民不是臺灣的負擔而是臺灣的助力我們感謝113的委員還有在現場努力為我們新住民來努力的所有人謝謝大家 一切謝謝我們臺灣接受我們新住民我們愛你們 謝謝好 謝謝麥義貞委員的發言 |
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抱怨會現在在議場二樓旁聽的來自臺北市萬華我們西元國小國家未來的主人翁我們掌聲歡迎各位同學接下來我們請張志倫委員發言林倩琦委員請準備 |
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院長 各位同仁 各位媒體朋友大家早安 大家好賴清德總統在11月25日透過投書美國Washington Post宣布要追加編列高達1.25兆的國防特別預算首先這比超過1兆的特別預算攸關世代負擔與國家財政平衡 |
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賴總統選擇先向美國發聲卻未向國會說明更令本席感到擔憂的是行政院既未正式向國會提出預算案國會當然也無法啟動審查程序 |
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總統投書美國媒體宣示將編列此筆預算不僅有違民主程序更牽扯憲政倫理國防預算不是向美國拍馬屁的工具而是民主國家理應接受國會監督的主權行為 |
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其次台美雙邊關稅結談至今尚無定論這筆巨額的國防特別預算難道是讓利談判的一環在談判過程中我國農工產業對潛在讓步已表達憂心此時政府突然拋出 |
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規模巨大的軍購特別預算社會各界自然會聯想政府先是拿台積電釋出討好美國川普總統的意圖現在更用大筆的軍事採購預算向美國示好 |
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政府犧牲台積電花大錢買武器的做法是不是能縮小台美貿易逆差在關稅談判中取得更好條件賴總統與行政院必須讓國人說清楚講明白另外本席更關切的是賴總統選擇美國媒體發布重大訊息所釋放出的政治動機是不是想藉由美國的輿論壓力向立法院施壓 |
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是不是企圖營造誰質疑預算誰就是阻礙台美關係本席認為堅強國防是建立國家安全的基石但不應成為政治操作的工具我國是民主國家立法院依法行止預算審查權是人民賦予的憲法職權並非總統可以用外部壓力開綠燈通過而不受監督相信美國亦是如此 |
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未來若是每項重大預算政府都要藉由外力施壓國會開綠燈通過那我們還是民主國家嗎最後本席再次強調我們支持政府強化國家防衛能力但我們是民主國家有依法行政的民主程序 |
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因此國防預算仍要循法律程序接受立法院審查與監督但總統個人不能將國家安全作為政治操作工具也不能任意把人民的血汗錢當作總統個人討好美國的籌碼謝謝謝謝張志倫委員的發言接下來我們請林倩琦委員發言徐宇貞委員請準備 |
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主席 府院同仁媒體朋友 全國民眾大家好營養午餐專法拖不得行政院缺席要負責本席今天要談的是營養午餐專法昨天在立法院的教育文化委員會逐條審查營養午餐專法但是行政院版本至今仍然缺席這項影響200多萬學童的民生政策 |
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已經拖延很久近期更被說成是才化法的政治籌碼讓家長痛心 讓地方為難目前立法院已經有20多個版本在審議全國都在等行政院端出版本來一併協商 |
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這個版本呢是我們為了要完善更普及營養師的配置食材規範的體制設計然而教育部卻以才化法釋憲為由一直拖延依據中央財政代協調讓行政院版本無限期跳票這不是行政困難這是政治拖延校園食安不能成為行政院的算計工具 |
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教育部很早就承诺要推动营养午餐专法但是行政院至今没有版本反而是在各个场合都说因为财务法因为地方政府怪罪预算删减甚至把责任推给立法院但是立法院是最积极推动营养午餐专法的但是最消极而且缺席的是行政院 |
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行政院不但沒有提版本還將營養午餐當成是政治鬥爭的延長戰線9月底突然宣布停止補助三章1Q可溯源國產的食材讓各縣市政府措手不及這是食安五環2.0政策很重要的核心的一環 |
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过去国产可溯源的使用率超过九成如今多年的努力却被推翻本席要问的是行政院要弃守食安政策吗还是要把孩童的营养午餐变成政治攻防的武器呢没有政策评估没有替代方案也没有不充分沟通造成各县市政府的机关还有协作的农民校方团善业者跟家长全部陷入混乱 |
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本席在這邊提出三點呼籲第一行政院應該儘速提出營養午餐專法第二要趕快重啟與地方政府的協調建立透明有效的對話機制第三地方的補助應該要立即恢復維持完善的可溯源的管理政治因素不要影響孩子的食安各位同仁營養午餐不是手馬 |
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食安不该是政治斗争的工具我们要让孩童吃得安心家长放心农民有信心营养午餐专法请行政院尽速送出协商的版本谢谢林倩琪委员的发言接下来我们今天登记最后一位第六号徐宇峥委员请发言 |
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院長及各位同仁大家早卓榮泰院長第八度提出復議案這已經不是行政權的正常運作而是對立法院的赤裸挑戰對民主制度的八度傷害才化法原本是地方自治最重要的制度基石如今卻被行政院扭曲成政治工具作為中央對地方控制的工具甚至以復議手段恐嚇國會壓迫地方政府 |
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卓院长不断的指控立法院一年三修才化法错误越来越多 至爱难行但真正的问题从来不是立法院而是行政院一直不肯提出行政院版提出后又不敢接受检验把情绪当作论述把话术当作掩饰政策的缺陷行政院公开的院版才化法时大肆的宣传16个县市成长27.4% |
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六都中台北統籌款最高高雄市總額最多台南翻倍講得像是每一個縣市都在行政院帶領下可以飛黃騰塌 |
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但是当立委要求公开试算表时财政部长却说还没算出来左院长更说要有共识才愿意公开这种逻辑简直荒唐到令人瞠目结舌如果还没算出来那你们对外宣称那一堆精准的数字到底是怎么来的是凭空捏造还是公然说谎连最基本的试算表都不敢摊开在阳光下又凭什么要人民相信行政院的 |
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才化把板 |
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藍白提出的財化法才是真正將財源實質下放打破常年眾六都傾縣式的失衡格局落實真正的財政公平行政院卻把這樣的改革污名化為拖慢國家的進步 治安難行說穿了行政院真正害怕的不是政策效果而是失去把地方補助款當作政治賞罰的帝王權利 |
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真正拖累國家的是行政院把地方該有的補助款砍掉甚至隨意刪減已經補助的計畫讓地方無以為繼國民黨才要再度修法把被沒收的錢還給地方 |
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民主政治講究的是責任連提八次復議代表左內閣的施政路線已經徹底的被主流民意否決請不要再拿復議是被動當作遮羞布如果這一次的復議再次失敗將證明左內閣已無治理的正當性 |
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卓院長 請展現一位政治人物應有的風骨尊重立法院的決議遵循民主慣例 負起政治責任謝謝好 謝謝徐宇珍委員的發言現在登記國事論壇發言的委員均已經發言完畢我們現在休息 |
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卓院长请就座 |
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不就座沒有辦法開會好 報告宴會我們現在開始開會請秘書長報告出席人數報告宴會出席委員五十五人已出法定人數我們現在開會進行報告事項請秘書長宣讀第四會期第十次會議議事錄宣讀立法院第十一屆第四會期第十次會議議事錄時間綜合民國一百十四點一十一日二十五日地點 本院議場出席委員 成委員 招職等一百 |
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議事人、請假委員、張委員、齊凱等三人、內席官員、行政院長卓榮泰等主席院長韓國瑜報告四項第一案宣讀本院第十一屆第四會期第九次會議議事錄確定第二至一百 |
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八十一案其中第四 十一 十二 十四一百四十九 一百七十六案均決定經過與相關提案並且協商第一百二十六至一百三十二案為交通委員會等所提出報告案其餘一案均決定交互相關委員會審查處理或交互相關委員會執行事項假行政擔護部門二件以本院委員執行部門一件討論事項第一三至六案均決議通過 |
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第二案決議交互黨團協商對行政院長施政報告繼續執行決定下次會議進行社會福利及衛生環境組織執行其他事項114年11月21日朝委黨團協商結論一件二本次會議是日程照台灣民眾黨黨團提議及黨團共識通過宣讀完畢 |
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抱怨會針對第四會期第十次會議的議事錄並沒有委員或黨團提出錯誤及遺漏之處我們現在做以下決定第四會期第十次會議議事錄確定請宣讀第二案二 委員王一川等鄰居動物傳染病防治條例第四十一條條文修正草案財修委員會建交經濟委員會審查宣讀完畢請委員會有無異通過下議案 |
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三 委員王逸川等邻居所得稅法第17條條文修正常案 承諾完畢五 委員王逸川等邻居監獄刑刑法第148條及第156條條文修正常案承諾完畢五 委員王逸川等邻居中華民國刑法部份條文修正常案承諾完畢五 委員王逸川等邻居中華民國刑法部份條文修正常案承諾完畢 |
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5573.425 |
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6.委員王一川等領據《中華民國刑法》、《稅刑法》第七條之二、第七條之三及第七條之四條維修正常案裁判員會兼交司法及法治委員會審查7. |
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5573.425 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
5579.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
委員王定宇等領據《遊說法》第八條及第21條的維修正常案裁判員會兼交內政委員會審查委員會審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
5581.41 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
5603.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
8.委員王定宇的凝聚,國家安全法第2條及第7條條文修正常案,陳修緣會監交內政委員會審查。9.委員王定宇的凝聚,《反煽動法》第4條及第4條及第5條條文修正常案,陳修緣會監交內政司法及法治兩務委員會審查。10.委員王定宇的凝聚,《反煽動法》第5條條文修正常案,陳修緣會監交內政司法及法治兩務委員會審查。 |
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5605.382 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
5613.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
11.委員王定宇等領據《陸海空軍刑法》第24條探索修正草案財修委員會監交司法及法治外交及國防兩委員會審查12. |
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5613.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
5629.732 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
委員葉元石等領據《人工智慧基本法》草案財修委員會監交教育及文化交通兩委員會審查報告事項第12案現代國民黨團體禁服二讀與相關提案並按協商請問委員會有異議沒有異議本案禁服二讀與相關提案並按協商下言 |
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5630.279 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
5646.192 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
十三 委員葉元智等邻居民法第205條條文修正草案查詢委員會監交司法及法治委員會審查 宣告完畢十四 委員邱世偉等邻居台灣地區道路地區人民關係條例第11條及第13條條文修正草案查詢委員會監交內政委員會審查 宣告完畢 |
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5647.233 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
5657.225 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
15.委員邱勝文的凝聚 強勿委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案 強修委員會建交司法及法治外交機構方案 兩委員會審查 宣傳文憑16. |
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5657.225 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
5665.835 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
委員邱勝文的凝聚 軍事審判法第181條及第204條條文修正草案 強修委員會建交司法及法治外交機構方案 兩委員會審查 宣傳文憑 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
5667.056 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
5673.002 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
17.委員邱勝文等鄰居法院組織法定17條主要條文修正草案請修委員會監交司法及法治委員會審查委員會審查委員會審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
5682.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
5705.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
十九 委員 劉建國等定居醫療法第24條及第106條條文修正常案 承受委員會兼交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查二十 委員 劉建國等定居醫療法第49條及第50條條文修正常案 承受委員會兼交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查二十一 委員 劉建國等定居勞工保險條例第63條條文修正常案 承受委員會兼交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 |
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5708.775 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
5718.259 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
22.委員劉建國的領據勞工保險條例第66條及第69條條條文修正常案陳修緣會監交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查23. |
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5718.259 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
5725.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
委員尤浩的領據民法第123條條文修正常案陳修緣會監交司法及法治委員會審查24. |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
5725.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
5729.544 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
委員陳立芬的領據土生財軍法第36條條文修正常案 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
5729.944 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
5736.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
報告事項第二十五案現在由民進黨團體淨富二讀與相關提案併案協商全員會有異沒有異本案淨富二讀與相關提案併案協商下議案 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
5751.365 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
5766.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
二十六 委員陳一輝等年居中華民國刑法第七十七條條務修正常案陳書瑩會監教司法及法治委員會審查 據法定二十七 委員鄭天才等年居勞工保險條例第五十八條條務修正常案陳書瑩會監教社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 據法定 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
5767.429 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
5784.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
二十八 委員陣年財等年居勞工保險條例第六十六條及第六十九條條文修正常案財修委員會監教社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查訊息完畢二十九 委員陣年財等年居勞工保險條例第七十四條主要條文修正常案財修委員會監教社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查訊息完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
5785.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
5812.009 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
三十一 委員張宏祿等領據電業法第七十一條之一條維修正常案財修委員會建交經濟委員會審查 宣言完畢三十一 委員張宏祿等領據電燃氣事業法第五十五條之一條維修正常案財修委員會建交經濟委員會審查 宣言完畢三十二 委員張宏祿等領據自然水法第九十七條之一條維修正常案財修委員會建交經濟委員會審查 宣言完畢三十三 委員張宏祿等領據氣象法第二十一條之一條維修正常案 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
5812.609 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
5827.015 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
陳修緣會兼交交通委員會審查我已通過審查三十四 委員張鴻路等領據電信管理法第七十二條條文修正草案陳修緣會兼交交通委員會審查我已通過審查三十五 委員張鴻路等領據上綱法第十五條及第六十五條十四條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
5827.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
5831.218 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
36.委員張宏祿的領據《傳播法》部分條無修正常案37. |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
5831.218 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
5834.381 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
委員張宏祿的領據《中華民國刑法》第80條條無修正常案38. |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
5834.381 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
5837.504 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
委員劉許廷等領據《佔領暴力防治法》第30條之一條無修正常案38. |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
5837.504 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
5841.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
委員劉許廷等領據《佔領暴力防治法》第30條之一條無修正常案38. |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
5841.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
5845.091 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
委員劉許廷等領據《佔領暴力防治法》第30條之一條無修正常案38. |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
5845.091 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
5849.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
委員劉許廷等領據《佔領暴力防治法》第30條之一條無修正常案38. |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
5849.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
5849.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
委員劉許廷等� |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
5854.159 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
5877.478 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
三十九 委員劉許庭的領域吳明麗年金法第十八條條文修正草案陳秀英會監教社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣言完畢四十 委員劉許庭的領域勞工報檢條第十一條及第七十二條條文修正草案陳秀英會監教社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣言完畢四十一 委員羅志強的領域青年金本法草案陳秀英會監教教育及文化委員會審查 宣言完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
5878.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
5887.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
第四十一案由國民黨團體晉赴二讀與相關提案並案協商請院會有異議沒有異議本案晉赴二讀與相關提案並案協商下議案 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
5888.092 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
5900.402 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
四十二 委員羅志強的《鄰居社會救助法》部分點我修正草案四十四 委員侯孟楷的《鄰居除魔法》部分點我修正草案四十五 委員范宇的《鄰居聚味授語法》第五條條我修正草案四十五 委員范宇的《鄰居聚味授語法》第五條條我修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
5918.357 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
5935.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
46.委員范雲的《領巨大學法》部分良文修正草案 陳修緣會監交究極文化委員會審查 47.委員郭國文的《領巨》所得稅法第十七條良文修正草案 陳修緣會監交財修委員會審查 48.委員郭國文的《領巨》國民年金法第五十四條之一條良文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
5936.657 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
5963.912 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
陳修緣會建交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣告完畢49 委員徐巧興等女居 少年事件處理法第83條之一及第84條條文修正常案陳修緣會建交司法及法治委員會審查 宣告完畢51 委員翁曉琳等女居 少年事件處理法第36條之一及第36條之二條文修正常案陳修緣會建交司法及法治委員會審查 宣告完畢51 委員翁曉琳等女居 老人福利法第17條條文修正常案 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
5964.512 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
5987.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
陳修緣會監教社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣告畢五十二 委員邱勝勳等理據一條法第二十四條及第一百零六條條文修正常案陳修緣會監教社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣告畢五十三 委員陳昌明等理據森林法第四十八條之一條文修正常案陳修緣會監教經濟委員會審查 宣告畢五十四 委員鄭天才等理據能源管理法部分條文修正常案 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
5988.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
5991.751 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
五一同步下案五一同步下案五一同步下案五一同步下案 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
6015.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
6040.328 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
五十八 委員林倩起登臨具《就業服務法》第24條條文修正常案陳書永會建交《社會福利及衛生環境》文修正常案五十九 委員富坤起登臨具《國際法》第1條條文修正常案陳書永會建交《內政》文修正常案六十 委員楊瓊英登臨具《流行保險條例》第66條基地69條條文修正常案陳書永會建交《社會福利及衛生環境》文修正常案五十八 委員林倩起登臨具《就業服務法》第24條條文修正常案 |
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6041.389 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
6058.289 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
61 委員 李燕秀的鄰居 勞工報銜條例第66條及第69條條文修正常案陳書援會監教社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 據您判斷62 委員 賴偉祥的鄰居 勞工報銜條例第58條條文修正常案陳書援會監教社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 據您判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
6059.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
6081.809 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
六十三 委員廖瑋祥的領域勞工保險條例第六十六條及第六十九條條文修正草案陳修緣會監交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查六十四 民進黨黨團領域強化民主投票促進法草案陳修緣會監交內政委員會審查六十五 委員黃賢的領域外送源權益保障及外送平台管理法草案陳修緣會監交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
6083.971 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
6104.009 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
六十六 委員黃千丹理據《消費者保護法》第二條第43條之一及第59條之一條維修戰草案查詢委員會監交社會福利及危險環境委員會審查循環第六十七 委員黃千丹理據《臟器犯罪危害方式條例》第31條第31條之一及第49條維修戰草案查詢委員會監交內政委員會審查循環第 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
6104.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
6120.364 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
六十八 委員 劉建國的領巨 外送源權益保障及外送平台管理法草案陳修緣會監教社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 續同意六十九 委員 劉建國的領巨 醫療保障利率98.1條文草案陳修緣會監教社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 續同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
6122.145 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
6144.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
七十一 委員劉宣偉的領巨 藥事法部份條文修正常案陳淑媛會監交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 詢問第七十一 委員劉宣偉的領巨 藥害救濟法第3條及第28條條文修正常案陳淑媛會監交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 詢問第七十二 委員陳淑媛等領巨 使用排出稅法第5條條文修正常案陳淑媛會監交財政委員會審查 詢問第 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
6146.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
6165.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
七十三 委員陳俊宇等你一句護護稅條例第十二條十三條文修正常案採訪委員會尖叫採訪委員會審查 宣布委員會第七十三案現在民進黨團體禁服二讀與相關提案併案協商請委員會有異議沒有異議本案禁服二讀與相關提案併案協商下議案 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
6166.763 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
6180.608 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
74.委員陳俊宇的離去勞工保險條例第66條及第69條條文修正常案陳俊宇委員林淑芬的離去勞工保險條例第66條及第69條條文修正常案陳俊宇委員林淑芬的離去勞工保險條例第66條及第69條條文修正常案 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
6190.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
6195.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
陳秀英會建交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣舉完畢77. |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
6195.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
6204.782 |
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委員林淑芬的領區家庭暴力防止法第61條條文修正常案陳秀英會建交社會福利及衛生環境司法及法治理量委員會審查 宣舉完畢78. |
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委員王振訓的領區就業服務法第24條條文修正常案 |
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第八 由民進黨團體金福爾都與相關提案並案13 全院會有異議 |
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名义本案进复二读与相关提案并按协商下议 |
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八十一委員吳思耀等鄰居勞工保險條例第六十六條及第六十九條等維修正常案陳修緣會監交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 訊息而定八十二委員陳培韻等鄰居勞工保險條例第六十六條及第六十九條等維修正常案陳修緣會監交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 訊息而定八十三委員陳培韻等鄰居少年事件處理法部分等維修正常案陳修緣會監交司法及法制委員會審查 訊息而定 |
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八十四 維園車配域等領據法院組織法第九十七條第九十八條及第九十九條條文修正常案陳修永會監教司法及法律委員會審查 宣言不依通過下案八十五 臺灣民眾黨黨的領據身心障礙者尋獄保障法部門條文修正常案陳修永會監教社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣言不依通過下案八十六 行政與環境主義勞工法審議條例第六十六條及第六十九條條文修正常案陳修永會監教社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣言不依通過 |
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目的通過 下言目的通過 下言 |
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八十九 國防部修正《國軍軍官事關請教規則》部分條文陳書永會監教外交及國防委員會宣讀完畢九十 國防部橫掃國家軍事博物館籌備書暫行組織規程國家軍事博物館籌備書辦事細則及國家軍事博物館籌備書編制表陳書永會監教司法及法治外交及國防兩委員會宣讀完畢 |
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報議員會第九十案由國民黨團體改交審查本案交司法及法治外交及國防兩委員會審查 |
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91 農業部行為行政與農業委員會農田水利署劃利管理處農田水利設施範圍名稱修正為農業部農田水利署劃利管理處農田水利設施範圍並修正設施範圍陳修緣會兼交經濟委員會 宣傳編92 農業部修正森林法遂行細則第五條是一條文陳修緣會兼交經濟委員會 宣傳編 |
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九十三 農業不修正委員 沈跳宇全副大西洋族裔管理辦法部分條文集體七十二條之一附件十五陳修緣會尖叫經濟委員會宣布議題不宜通過下言九十四 農業不修正公告美國猶他州自高頻率性價錢流行性感冒非去刪除陳修緣會尖叫經濟委員會宣布議題不宜通過下言 |
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95.農業務修正農會與會信仰部應報金全國農業經貿統一後辦理或已有該經貿辦理至一定金額以上受信案件精準財修委員會兼交經濟委員會宣傳法定法院會第九十五案國民黨團體改交審查本案交經濟委員會審查下一項 |
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96.農業部修正公告美國愛爾華州自高低溫有限價錢流行新港版非區刪除才出院會兼交經濟委員會97. |
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農業部修正援揚原條立地水系條的第一項鎖定與我國商務執行公開等簡直國家級指定傳播才出院會兼交經濟委員會98. |
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農業部修正公告美國愛爾華州 |
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98 農業部修正限制輸出之植物種苗或綿密項 陳修緣會建交經濟委員會 宣傳完畢99 農業部修正輸出英式簡易準則第10條附件82 陳修緣會建交經濟委員會 宣傳完畢100 農業部修正辦理專責系農業專案單位辦法部分條文及第23條附表1 第24條附表26 附表218 陳修緣會建交經濟委員會 宣傳完畢 |
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無異通過抱怨會在議場二樓旁聽來自臺北市大安區黎安里的好朋友我們掌聲歡迎各位立法院好101 下一頁101 農業部修正公告美國愛德河州密歇根中資格免運性價錢流息性感冒飛去刪除陳修緣會建交經濟委員會確斷定無異通過下一頁102 農業部修正因應非洲族文緊急防疫措施第三年規定陳修緣會建交經濟委員會確斷定無異通過下一頁 |
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103 農業部修正停止至發生非洲豬瘟症國家地區以郵遞寄送輸入出售產品第四點規定前衆委員會尖叫經濟委員會宣傳稅104 農業部廢止農業部農業試驗所化繪試驗分所辦事細則及農業部農業試驗所化繪試驗分所編制表 |
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105.農業部修正農業部農業實驗所跟所組織準則第三條基地清條條文106. |
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農業部修正農業部農業科技園區管理中心出入歸省第四條第十二條及第十四條條文107. |
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107 經濟部修正農業用戶使用值範圍財修委員會兼交經濟委員會宣傳幣108 經濟部修正事業用爆炸物製造使用與棄產水新技術及新產品管理辦法第四條條文財修委員會兼交經濟委員會宣傳幣109 行政域行為中華民國114年8月19日修正公募之貨物稅條例第八條及第十一條條文定自115年1月1日施行財修委員會兼交財政委員會宣傳幣 |
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1110行政院行為財政部國務署配合因應美國關稅五國出口供應鏈支持方案辦理貿易融資利息結盟及輸出保費優惠經費不敷前東日本一百十四年度中央政府總算第二月被經十億元全數註銷程序委員會建交財政委員會宣傳畢111 |
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財政委員會尖叫財政委員會 訓練完畢 |
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112 中央銀行修正中央銀行人事管理準則部分條文陳書永會尖叫財政委員會宣傳並113 金融監督管理委員會修正金融委員會使用公安發行公司股東會委託出案件獎勵辦法第1條及第6條條文陳書永會尖叫財政委員會宣傳並114 金融監督管理委員會修正金融監督管理委員會經歷年費檢查費計較標準及規範收取辦法第5條條文陳書永會尖叫財政委員會宣傳並 |
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115 文化部罕為鼓勵臺灣美術館資料中心閱覽證收費標準名稱出現為鼓勵臺灣美術館藝術圖書中心閱覽證收費標準並修正第二條條文陳修永會兼教教育及文化委員會勳言通過下言116 教育部罕為修正教授請將會責陳修永會兼教育及文化委員會勳言通過下言117 教育部橫送教育部華語文能力測驗規範收費標準陳修永會兼教教育及文化委員會勳言通過下言 |
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118 交通部修正發展規公條例採訪標準部分付表陳修緣會尖叫交通委員會宣傳完畢119 防護部修正受刑人保衛意識審核基準及管理辦法部分條文陳修緣會尖叫司法及法制委員會宣傳完畢120 環境部修正環境檢驗設定經過管理辦法部分條文陳修緣會尖叫社會福利及安全環境委員會宣傳完畢報案委員會 |
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一百二十案 國民黨團體改交審查本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查下一項一二一 環境部修正機動存量排放空氣污染物及噪音檢驗設定機構管理辦法部分條文前書友會兼交社會福利及衛生環境委員會宣傳完畢報告議員會一百二十一案 國民黨團體改交審查本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 |
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抱怨會第122案至186案請依序宣讀其中第152 186台灣民眾黨團提議改交審查第167案國民黨團提議改交審查宣讀之後以上提案均改交相關委員會審查其餘的議案均照程序委員會意見通過請問院會有無異議 |
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没有意义请宣读 宣读之后通过 |
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請宣讀諮詢事項 |
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諮詢是向蔣協慶院答覆部分前卿韓總本院羅文元志強的鎖定諮詢之書面答覆公認件以本院委員諮詢部分本院羅文元志強向協慶院提出諮詢動議件宣討完畢報告委員會 |
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我們現在對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢今天我們要進行社會福利及衛生環境組織質詢首先我們請陳昭之委員質詢盧憲一委員請準備 |
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謝謝院長有請卓院長麻煩請卓院長備詢陳委員好院長早院長請問台灣的少子女化是不是已經進入國安的層次了呢 |
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從過去很多年以來政府就持續關注少子女化的問題也推出了很多少子女化的相對應的政策我現在我們從去年開始我認為我們推出的不應該是政策而是少子女化的對策所以我們要求我們的政委要持續的針對這個問題做有效的一個 |
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因為民進黨自2016年執政到現在已經邁入第十年嘛那面對少子化問題提高聲譽剛剛你也說了一些就是說你們做的從政策到對策那我想請教你我相信政府很努力但是你認為成效好嗎 |
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當然成效不見得很好這個世界各國通力都是如此我們也注意到有些國家好像有一點成效我們會積極的來看看有什麼方法能夠讓國內來試用請不要說全世界都一樣因為上上禮拜愛爾蘭中醫院團來訪我跟他交換了一些意見他們的生育率是1.5我們是0.82所以這個不是全世界都一樣第二個非常慘的真相慘酷的真相是我們是全球倒數第一 |
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你要爭全球第一都不容易何況還是全球倒數第一也是很不容易的院長請你看看這張圖這張圖的左邊這個是左邊是出生人數你可以看到從2016年開始像溜滑梯一樣往下滑當時是21萬去年是13.5萬去年還是榮年的那這個人口的負成長已經連續58個月 |
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那出生地名到多次登上這個美國CIA報告美國智庫報告還有美國非常知名的這個新聞媒體報告像Newsweek你可以看到他這個標題這是他最近的撰文台灣的人口你看到他的兩個字CrisisVersus |
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Crisis就是危機了Worsen就是惡化這是雙重強調所以有網友就在下面留言酸政府說少子化辦公室大成功又有一家美媒成為中共同路人又在唱衰台灣還有人說民進黨黨綱實現了院長你知道他們在講什麼嗎民進黨的黨綱你知道民進黨一直都沒有去更新裡面有一條叫人口政策應重視提高人口素質減少生育率 |
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前面對後面還在減少生育率麻煩請你們的黨員去把這個網站那個檔綱更新一下那對於少子化運動我想請教您到10月上個月為止出生的多少人數 |
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我們現在認為要保12萬都是相當大的挑戰沒關係我告訴院長部長你也說不出來9萬0839人那我們如果只有這10個月去推算12個月的話那大概是10萬人台灣的低生率經濟是主因目前根據主計總數的所謂的國人薪資平均來計算有7成的勞工人口他是落在這個 |
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他的平均數以下所以院長當國人認為就是說他連養活自己都有困難了那無論你做多少生育的補助啦育兒的補助那他面對這個他很多養育兒的成本高房價相對低薪他們自己都養活不了了你想他們會會不會覺得這樣是有幫助的嗎所以你看到的是不是一直往下滑因為院長您同意我這個觀察嗎 |
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過去幾年來我們這個關於少子女化的相關的預算是逐年增加但我認為他並沒有顯現出我們期待的要求我知道你們努力但是效果不佳嘛現在剩10萬你在被王國滅種我很不喜歡講這個話那院長我先再來談這個輝達選址現在在落在北市科T17跟T18請問院長您對這個輝達來台灣社長是持正面的肯定的態度嗎 |
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就國家的立場我們當然希望這個有助於國家高科技發展的產業能夠在台灣設立他的若干機構或是研究中心等等都是國家歡迎我們願意提供各種的行政協助我們都樂見也增加工作機會那輝達在台灣設廠後提供給台灣員工的福利您覺得是不是應該跟他提供給美國員工的福利一樣好呢 |
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企業有他的規劃我們希望他能夠把台灣這麼廣大有效率勞工當作公司的資產好好的來照顧我們當然應該幫台灣的員工爭取一樣的福利這個態度是OK的我要報告院長 |
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但是回答在台灣的員工我們希望他享有在美國一樣的福利可是台灣的某些法規可能會他的某些福利帶來這個障礙請院長看這張投影片這是輝達官網上員工福利專區的一段內容其中一項就是協助支持對代理孕母的選擇院長 輝達員工的福利非常明確包含代理孕母跟收養的支援服務你看最上面那一題 |
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就是這樣黃仁勳鼓勵輝達的員工要用多元的方式成立家庭但是台灣到現在還沒有把代孕法制化當輝達把同一套企業福利帶到台灣來的時候你要輝達跟黃仁勳來違法嗎還是你要他在台灣的員工因為他在台灣工作而他的福利受到限制嗎 院長 |
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每個國家的法律的規定不一樣那我們現在對代理育母這個還在積極審慎的研議當中雖然我認為這是一個可以讓剛剛委員所說少子女化問題獲得解決但它更應該解決的是整個社會的認同 |
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臺灣有一些先進的一些觀念像像同婚我們是走在世界前面但也經過很長的社會溝通你要談共識我的但是世界上沒有一件事有共識嘛同婚是555你也做了嘛這個就是一個政策的主導的一個政府的概念但是部分執政黨立委一直把待遇妖魔化了只稱說這個是販賣子宮剝削女性那我想先請問院長我們先不談全世界大概有30個國家明確立法當然是有條件的這個規範明確立法是合法的 |
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當輝達的官網也自詡他擁有全業界最優秀的育兒政策這是他有寫的一篇非常動人的一個說明在裡面他包含收養跟代理義母制度而且是無上限的報支他的英文是叫Unlimited Reimbursement跪打某些立委的邏輯那是不是錯亂呢一方面說他是台灣之光那一方面難道認為黃仁勳支持代孕那他在剝削女性嗎 院長 |
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這是錯亂啊這些國際大廠他到世界各國做佈局我想基本上他要符合當地國的法律的規定那目前我們還沒有朝向完全開放的態度法制化但是在態度上我們是跟社會做積極的溝通 |
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接下來我稍微跟院長跟部長說明一下很多人對代孕不放心是因為不了解了解有時候就會不同的態度請仔細了解民眾黨的版本內容是如何給需求者一線希望包括不孕者跟同志伴侶首先哪些人可以委託代孕最基本的委託代孕者當中一定要有一個人是具有中華民國國籍 |
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而且符合下面情勢沒有子宮或因子宮病變免疫疾病或其他事實難以孕育子女這個很容易診斷因懷孕或分娩有嚴重危及生命之虞所以絕對不是有錢就可以找代孕這個是條件那有反對代孕的人說開放代孕會讓中國人來洗台灣的人口這是非常荒謬可笑說法請看清楚我們48條之2 |
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代孕必須具有中華民國國籍這是非常前提那當然我們也要有生過小孩的經驗那代孕前他必須接受心理生理社會家庭的影響的專業評估如果他有配偶還要一起來評估就是確定他適合代孕 |
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這一切都以未來孩子的利益為最優先絕對不是隨便都可以當代孕媽媽所以需要一連串非常嚴謹的一些評估跟檢查絕對不可能有什麼中國洗人口的問題很重要的就是請院長部長能夠繼續了解進行代孕之前委託被代孕媽媽都需要知情 |
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且同意民眾黨版本第12條規定醫療機構在做任何手術之前都必須向受術者及其配偶以及代孕者如果他有配偶包括他的配偶把必要性方法成功率合併症可能的替代方案或是風險都講清楚而且要雙方用書面同意然後經過公正 |
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就是我們的法案版本是這樣那大家關心代孕媽媽的權益部分民眾黨的草案版本保障代孕者的健康跟身體自主權就是說他日常的生活健康之外要有隱私不可以隨便被不當的打擾都是由代孕者來自主 |
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生產的以後的探視權也可以雙方事先約定如果法官認為不利於孩子法官可以介入可以就要求調整或是改變同一個療程當中如果他代孕沒有成功他可以終止就可以不再續約等等瘦數配偶需要替代孕者投保人身保險保障安全總之我要報告院長還有部長 |
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整個法案的核心就是在保護願意幫忙別人的人還有未來即將出生這個孩子這是我們整個法案的核心我請院長跟部長多了解那院長我長期在推動單元法治化即便我的家庭跟我收養的孩子受到人身攻擊我從來都沒有放棄為什麼呢 院長如果我放棄了如果我放棄那就是等在我背後哭泣的人 |
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因為他們把我視為唯一的希望跟這個代言人他們會因為絕望而崩潰院長請記得他們也是你的人民跟同胞 |
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如果我們面對生育平權跟剛剛一開頭我談到的國家的國安問題少子化的問題我覺得待運法制化勢在必行去管理它用嚴謹的方式去管理它這個議題討論30年了國建署也有三次以上的民調也有完整的法案的版本絕對不是貿然倉促去做的事情好嗎就是請院長跟部長能夠把這件事放在心上 |
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謝謝委員 我認為天下的母親之所以偉大是因為他養育 教養一個小孩子所以這是母親的偉大委員說他是準備養孩子嘛他們願意養孩子嘛對 他生養 教養這個孩子所以認為任何一個女性都是以身為一個可以當作一個母親當作她最大的一個光榮我們認為這個是歷史自來 |
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那現在世界上有先進的例子我們可以參考那如果說因為身體的狀況有這種需要我們在法律上正在做積極的溝通那是委員的版本我想衛福部也有他基本的想法可以做溝通的 |
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謝謝那院長這個1995年開辦的健保本來應該有政府編列的公共衛生跟政策性的支出那長年轉到健保去支應那有些專家就質疑說是政府刷卡納稅人買單2014年到2019年當中有大概將近1億元是狂犬病的疫苗還有超過10億的是腎臟病的這個衛教計畫還有超過百億的這個吸肝擴大治療計畫這些本來都不應該是健保來出錢 |
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同時政府也沒有實質去提高公共衛生跟健保的公共投資比率甚至為了達標因為我們有個健保法規定政府應該負擔的比率前次的質詢我也有跟你提到36%但是他過去把多項福利政策都灌載這個統計造成民意上達標但實質上是減少的這個有點像制度性的掏空健保 |
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那30歲的健保因為現在面臨財務的節節困難所以我要向院長跟部長確認幾件事就是第一個行政院9月24號有公布預告修正全民健保法的實行盡責他把受僱者的育嬰留庭的保費從36%剔除 |
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那這就等於說過去你就是這樣做過去做法不當所以你們還是要跟大家解釋為什麼你過去把這些灌水的這個金額跟時間的年度這個要講清楚過去把這個灌水在裡面 院長你知道嗎謝謝委員 這個 |
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我常常跟大國人這樣說過去30年所有的國人受到健保的保障我們的健康現在是所有國人應該回頭來保障健保制度讓他能夠永續的時候了剛剛委員所說的政府的逐年來有一些需要的支出那也是廣義賽在幫助也是針對國人健康所做的保障 |
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要公開讓我們知道你們的責任到底內容是什麼所以政府是持續的長年的一直在對健保做相關的挹注這是事實每年都有相關的這個而且剛剛提到的那個政府政府的36我們也在做調整 |
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跟委員說明 我們已經修正健保法施行細則把健保法裡面政府應負擔的36%的責任只以本法所律定的才算所以這樣政府就每年都多撥了134億給健保再加上其他的公務預算所以今年是181億 明年是199億 |
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那另外像剛剛提到委員特別關心吸肝的用藥其實吸肝的用藥我們也做過醫療科技評估它可以減少後面的健保的醫療費用所以它是一種治療對 它是治療的那這樣子補充保費我個人其實沒有反對但是某個程度有點成為雇主 |
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雇主規避責任分攤的一個地帶途徑請問部長你有沒有考慮要檢討雇主端跟政府端的分攤機制畢竟專家有一個非常重要的提醒健保應該先解決廢機的公平性再來檢討廢率的合理性先廢機再廢率這樣子院長您同意嗎 |
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跟委員說明其實在健保的整個財務上就如同您講的有費機跟費率所以我們這兩方面都是並進的一方面是把費機擴大它哪一些的費用能夠納入到健保的不等於是用心的但是就是說在費機的合理上需要再來我們再來討論或了解最主要就是說把從過去以薪資所得為主的健保的保費的結構比較不恰當 |
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那麼要擴大到包含資本利得這個因應整個國家經濟的轉型來調整我們再來談困難科別的招收這是全球性的問題它不是只有薪資它還包括生活條件跟整個職業的職場環境 |
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我在看其他國家像蘇格蘭他們年輕醫師即便在偏鄉有良好的實習的訓練他還是不願意留下為什麼因為他的生活品質跟社區連結是不好的不夠的在愛沙尼亞他們家庭醫師嚴重高齡化年輕醫師寧可轉堂也不願意接受低薪過勞的診所這是制度問題當年輕醫師他沒有辦法看到他職場的未來 |
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這個時候也沒有生活品質所以他們怎麼願意選擇這些科呢那面對醫師分佈不均你要看的不是只有薪資而已加班費還有整個結構性的誘因所以困難科是不是要留任獎金是不是要夜間免稅減制度最重要是健保要檢討給付的合理性有很多願意付出的醫師老實說 |
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點值對他們來說是最直接的感受所以部長你現在多久更新一次未來這些特定科別 等一下我會再講特定科別的點值是否能夠及時做一個更新好 跟委員報告這兩年因為這個在行政院的支持之下我們的健保的總額的擴大是大家可以看得到所以也帶動了點值的改變像今年的總額比去年增加了530億是達到 |
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這個快要進發明年會再增加所以點子已經上來醫院的點子都已經超過0.95了不過科別是一個問題像您提到的因為少子女化的關係所以兒科看到的市場就是越來越少 |
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所以我們明年會把這個兒科因為現在年輕住院醫師選科的時候他優先會選我想院長也會知道整形科跟五官科因為生活品質比較好急重症科快滅科了這個有急重科醫師形容現在狀況是不是挖東牆補西牆是整面牆都不見了很多外科醫師也抱怨他們救命的手術他點子不斷沒有提高還一直砍 |
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那他們說政府很重視集中症科但是他們卻看不到那如何取信呢所以這個你看圖上這個胸腔劑重症加護醫學院理事長陳玉明醫師表示他們要照顧這個加護病房照顧呼吸治療的等重症病房的病人但呼吸器的照顧支氣管進行檢查幾乎不足 |
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年輕醫師看到工作這麼辛苦他們就不會想成為胸腔科醫師部長您上任之後跟財政部有共同提出醫師加班費免稅的問題但醫界覺得這個幫助有限亞東醫院邱院長他也有建議說不如針對那些難尋人才的科別 |
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提供假日跟夜間所得免稅因為診所的醫師假日可以休息醫院的醫師都必須24小時待命尤其是年輕的醫師要值夜班如果這個部分你有具體的回饋我覺得可能比較可以挽回這些缺乏的科別的人才難尋的問題院長基本上您支持這樣的一個做法嗎 |
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當然我們知道就目前來看比方說內外負額或是急中難寒這幾個都是比較缺乏醫生願意像過去這樣全心的投入我們也認為像這個比較 |
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困難性或時間比較長去治療性的工作所以醫師本身醫師本身應該給予一個特別的不同工不同週的基本概念您聽到兒科我就看您就請你看下一張圖那個兒科因為現在選擇兒科做醫師很少訓練完還願意留在這科那更少 |
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當這個住院醫師減少總醫師跟住院主治醫師他們要分擔的工作量就越大所以他們就也不要留下來了這是一個惡性循環馬建醫院婦產部主任說的是他說的台灣一年現在每年尤其產科只剩下13萬個孩子那還是去年以20年前多相比產科的市場少了 |
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只剩下三分之一他說但是這個高危險的個案多了兩倍對年輕人來說這個行業又苦又險又辛苦又危險他說他說的不是我說他笨蛋抬去那一顆 |
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那因為在過去基層開業不需要次專科資格所以醫師少了繼續進修的一個原動力那進入次專科的訓練比例只剩下三分之二那PGY第二年選兒科的越來越少再下去大概是屈指可數那以成大醫院來說你看最上面右邊最上面那個圖成大醫院的小兒急診連續15年沒有年輕醫師加入零零15年少子化本來就夠嚴重了那現在小朋友生病了沒有醫師能醫治 |
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院長這個很嚴重吧醫學中心都沒有我們之前也談過對這種包括外科在內簡易的手術跟比較困難的手術如果幾乎都是點數都是相同的話那醫師難免院長方法我們可以討論但是我還要再去提醒你說這些問題把這幾個特別的內科的醫師能夠做更獎勵性的希望他們留任或是進來這個行業領域當中是現在衛福部該做的工作他也繼續在進行 |
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跟委員講我們對兒科的這個振興是有一個整套的計畫從住院醫師的養成我們就有津貼給他每個月就是有1萬塊給他那麼小兒外科更高一個月可以到3萬那另外到了這個次專科或者是主治醫的時候我們現在來調整他的支付標準這幾年都調先從ICU急重症的先調 |
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明年還有一個獨立的總額來保障但是我們不得不看結果啦看結果你再回去去想為什麼這麼努力沒有效果還是不好就是我的重點在這個地方謝謝 部長請回座院長您今年9月5號跟洪森漢部長去巨大機械參訪9月25號巨大就被美國指控說是強迫勞動發出這個戰扣令院長你知道原因嗎戰扣令的原因嗎 您知道嗎 |
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那你認為美國的指控是真的嗎是正確的嗎勞動部應該有進一步的了解跟事實真相但是我們知道 |
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包括這個案例在內確實有應該檢討的地方好 院長巨大被強迫勞動被指控強迫勞動有很多原因來自仲介費也不只是巨大這個集團還有很多企業也存在這個現象像移工收取仲介費在台灣是允許的可是在國際上很多是不被允許的 |
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那我國允許仲介以服務費名義向每位移工每個月要收取1800元勞動部雖然說仲介是要服務才能收這個收費但是沒辦法查核嘛哪一個移工敢拒絕這筆費用呢那巨大現在已經決定他由公司來吸收這筆這個費用借此向美方爭取說解除我的進扣令但其他企業呢 |
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院長移工領很少的薪水做台灣人比較不願意做的工作其實還要這樣剝削您覺得合理嗎所以我的意思是說院長你有沒有考慮或是要求這個勞動部廢除修法廢除仲介費或服務費 |
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勞動部現在在擬定一個跨國勞力的一個方案其中有好多的項目其中有一部分我也希望他能夠減少仲介費仲介以後在這整個領域工作行業當中所扮演的角色那是我們台灣汙名化的第一項而且是事實院長這個不要讓仲介費成為台灣的企業進軍國際的最大阻力 |
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好 請部長說明跟委員說明的確現在因為國際上面很關注強迫勞動的問題我們其實也會在近期來提出一個針對強迫勞動相關的指引會跟經濟部一起來合作來針對我們的廠商跟產業來做進一步的輔導這部分我想我們會很積極的來做 |
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因為我今天在這裡就說我也希望院長能夠支持你嘛你的一些困難院長同意支持你就要賣力去做啊這個仲介費存在已久了也被他污名壞幾次了國務院所有人都是這樣講啊我們簽很多對這個貿易這個協定也都是卡在這裡啊因為這個如果你不把這件事處理掉我們的人民跟政府的付出很大的 |
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當然所以我們現在是很積極的在做包括指引跟輔導的事情我下來要請教院長一件事院長我女性勞工可以因為懷孕就被雇主解聘嗎?可以嗎?女性勞工可以因為懷孕就被雇主解聘嗎?不行當然不行那麼我們來看看為何這家鼎鼎有名的醫材大廠叫泰伯科技他可以在他人事的內部人事的規範管理規範明文規定 |
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外籍同仁受雇期間在台結婚或懷孕必須受到懲罰解雇結婚或懷孕必須受到懲罰解雇甚至遣返這明顯違法這不是只是歧視懷孕還有泰伯科技的買公費跟打壓公費問題也很嚴重其實勞團多次向紅部長你陳情你都不理 |
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跟文說明我們沒有不理我們已經很明確的當然希望這個公會來提供相關的事證然後我們也已經這個因為他是寫在工作規則裡面所以我們已經請地方政府要積極的來查處了院長我們沒有不理 |
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院長你現在要不要下令 下令勞動部積極徹查開發泰伯科技我給你這麼清楚的他們內部我們已經請地方政府積極的查處了我想報告委員這件事情部長一定比委員更積極因為那個照片是指著部長的你要自己要強力的說明我想部長依照現行的法規各項的要求我們應該是朝向部長剛講講的保障婦女在各種工作上平權的這個事情上我們不會落後的 |
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謝謝院長 部長請回院長第四天然氣接收站工程是包含在整個協和電廠更新改建計畫當中連環評也是一起做的對不對院長照程序來進行是他是如此就是包含在裡面那個世界跟協和電廠的這個環評爭議我先不贅述當時因為環評質疑這個協和電廠土地污染嚴重那事後環境部去進行檢測 |
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證實喔 證實喔 它是土地污染嚴重 非常嚴重然後基隆市政府 因為未在基隆也公告喔 協和電廠的土地是要污染控制的場址那我現在請教 請教院長請問在沒有完成整治之前 它已經被確認檢測確定 然後也公告確定在沒有完成整治之前協和電廠可以進行任何更新改建工程嗎 請院長回答 |
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程旭文我們已經討論過這是法律的問題啊對 部長有說明過 來你現在講有沒有違法 可以嗎現在他一定要整治完成才可以興建土無法嘛 土無法我們也看到經濟部的新聞稿寫著在整治完成後才會進行的新的燃氣機組的興建工程經濟部跟台電先依法完成整治因為還被確定是污染再來談開發 這樣子比較妥當對不對 |
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先完成整治 污染的整治再來進行開發所以程序上在這樣進行不是程序 是法律所以法律也是依照程序也是依照法律在走那如果台電在污染整治完成之前就開始進行招標 |
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施行公權 帶頭違法那其他的這個其他的土地他被列為準制長職的業者土地都不能開發利用他們是傻瓜嗎院長你要允許台電這麼做嗎你可以允許台電這麼做嗎你要允許他們這麼做嗎不是允不允許如果這個招標是違法的那當然不允許那事前還有一些準備的過程當中如果在法律上是可以 大家可以斟酌來辦理 |
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這個三接爆發的工程灌水百億弊案我也在追查但是我從三接的工程這個得標廠商叫黃昌營造的聲明才知道11月18號台電進行了協和電廠更新改建的這個招標四接工程的招開標雖然流標了但是這個招標大有問題就像我剛剛講的 |
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這個地方被踢爆而且被證實是嚴重的環境污染然後他還沒有開始進行整治但是台電不是趕緊提出完整的徹底的污染整治計畫台電高層去施壓基隆市政府要求市政府接受一套很寬鬆的草率的敷衍的應變措施甚至急著辦招標他急著辦招標要天然氣接收工程請問這是什麼國營事業 |
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台電在擠什麼啊 院長不是台電擠什麼這是國家重大的能源政策我想台電不至於去對一個地方市政府進行任何的施壓那台電今天所有的作為都依序必須依法來辦你今天要面對我的質詢政題鞋盒電藏土地污染場地都還沒有做好污染的整治都沒有做好甚至連計畫都不提出來台電就急著把天然氣這個標案標出去 |
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那政府對於土地污染要先做這個整治然後再能進行開發這個承諾都是假的啊那院長你難道不對台電踩煞車嗎院長難道你不對台電這個錯誤行為踩煞車嗎台電的招標如果違反剛剛委員講的而且沒有提出合理的說明這個招標當然是違法不論他是不是流標這個招標就違法 |
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他已經被宣布是污染長質他已經被公告是污染長質要去整治但是他都沒有做 計畫都沒有他已經開始直接招標了他有沒有啟動污染整治的程序他如果已經啟動的話是不是在法律上有一些可以討論的空間在那我要請經濟部來跟問法律有討論的空間喔 |
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你也要讓他代表做犯規啊那不可能違法啊那如果已經啟動了經濟部跟環境部來看一看你不能在這個時候做招標的準備工作如果可以是可以的那如果違法那絕對不行就是違法啊在回頭像佳麗台電台下車我會請經濟部評估說明這次的招標的合法性是完全的禁備 |
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好謝謝陳昭志委員謝謝卓院長相關部會首長背景謝謝好接下來我們請盧憲一委員請質詢院長有請 |
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我們卓榮泰院長及我們施崇良部長麻煩再請卓院長 衛福部長備詢謝謝 盧委員好院長好 部長好那我先問一下就是最近我們原住民有要辦兩個活動你大概知道嗎 |
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原住民的活動最近在12月有一個世界南島民族運動會在屏東就是12月希望兩位有空去參加第二個就是2026年的Pride Up就是我們的太平洋醫師全球的年度會議是在 |
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北台灣舉行還不確定是在新北還是桃園那就是先預告一下那我們最主要今天來講的就是我們今天要講的是我們的醫療平權的問題一而再再而三的還是要講一下我們先回顧一下我們的十大死因其實從我們的七八歲的一個我們所謂的 |
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差距 如果我們仔細來看一下你看一下我們肝病還有我們糖尿病的一些防治其實多著重在我們的獲利人員或是醫療人員的一些衛教或者是這些比較基層的努力其實可以做改善再看一下我們的癌症的部分癌症的部分大概我們的比較特殊的地方是在口腔癌跟鼻咽癌 |
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也就是跟一般國人不太一樣的地方也就是說我們目前看到我們在講的癌症新藥沒有這方面的一些資源可以尋找所以可能這方面可能還是需要國家來努力我們又看到我們目前的我們的GDP的占比是低於韓國大概2%也就是說大概還差就在4000億左右也就是說我們其實我們國家對我們醫療人員的一些虧欠 |
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也可以展現在這個數據上面因為我們確實是用了比較低的一個價格在取得很好的一些醫療的服務那我們現在可以肯定國家目前是在我們的ranking裡面很像是全世界第一從2015年的45名進步到現在的第一名不過我們一定要想到為什麼有這些進步那我們就講到一些我們講到我們的醫療的缺乏地區因為 |
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最近在全國跑常常會聽到的就是說我們這個地區沒有洗身室這個地區如果發生一些急救的一些一個場合的話可能沒有地方可以送所以我們就盤點了一些台灣 |
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比較沒有這些醫療資源的地方當然就是在花東還有一些比較靠近我們北橫中橫南橫的這些區域甚至在我們台東的一些達人上次我們講的許曹斌醫師的故鄉我們在走天廂的時候有人建議說能不能就是在我們 |
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比較靠近都會區的比較區域中間點設置一些分院比如說比較具體的就是谷關地區因為它可以連接和平區那個廣大的範圍到台中都會區因為如果說你從和平離山 |
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或者是環山第一帶如果要到台中市的話大概要四個小時的車程如果中間的話我們講一個折衷點大概就是谷關地區你谷關地區的話就可以順便服務那一帶的我們所有的國人在那裡然後你要發展觀光的話應該那邊也是可以 |
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然後南橫的話我們再看我們的這個距離每一個地區的那個離都會區的大概都是一個小時以上那馬下甲仙桃園茂嶺霧台牡丹這些都是我們所說的醫療缺乏地區那甚至有十個區我們看查了一下只有衛生所就是完全沒有其他 |
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醫療院所 連診所都沒有了是10個所以我們今天我要講的重點就是有很多地區是要仰賴衛生所所以我們今天特別來講這個因為在109年 |
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監察院有糾正提出個糾正文它的正式的公文叫內政0017在109年5、6月通過的有三個監察委員就是余作謙、張武修、王佑林提出了糾正案就是說它的重點就是人力嚴重不足過勞中央督導失職專業人力挫制考評機制不合理那它109年 |
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就证已经通过了可是到现在我们看到的国家的努力还是没有看到具体的一些改变我们的业务量还是持续的翻倍尤其是我们COVID-19的那段期间 |
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我們再盤點一下我們的醫療我們的護理人力我們常常在講我們希望把衛生所升級升級到什麼樣的規模希望能夠到地區醫院的規模地區醫院的規模大概我們在想說護理人大概多少大概是200位左右可是後來看了我們現在目前小於20人的衛生所也就是說整個區 |
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職業數小於20的還是有17個區也就是在原住民鄉的55個鄉鎮裡面的17個區只有20人不到的護理人員在服務也就是說你要看這些 |
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這些地區是幅員遼闊你看仁愛鄉的區域跟西歐林鄉的區域甚至比彰化縣還要大可是他們的護理人員只有這麼不到幾十位的這樣的人口這樣的人員數在弄可見他們的loading是非常非常的大然後所以給我們部長跟 |
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院長一個想法是不是在我們衛生所這個層級上面能不能有做一些改變的一個契機因為我們有在推動偏鄉的優化第二期計劃還有我們的所謂的國家的什麼任性的 |
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那個名稱比較難任性國家醫療整備計畫還有我們的健康台灣生根計畫這些計畫很好可是我們沒有看到你們實際上對我們地方上有要做什麼改變因為人力就是這些人你一直不斷的計畫加進來可是你沒有去把它想要把它整個組織改變或者說你要怎麼把我們的原住民的人才把它 |
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來一起扶我們族人我們沒有看到這方面的規劃我想聽聽院長的意見 |
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謝謝您特別提到偏鄉確實偏鄉的醫療衛生所是扮演了很重要的角色那也因為過去我們的衛生所的編制主要是在地方不是由中央不像我們的部立醫院它都是由地方衛生局以下去編列的這些編制所以我們在賴總統當行政院長的時候我們特別去翻修了這個 |
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整個衛生所的編制表把它大幅的放寬可以用醫事人員的任用擴大同時我們後來也把總員額法把它鬆綁就是醫療機構裡面的醫事人員數不受到我們總員額的限制意思就是說地方都可以依據它的需求 |
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去提出它的編制的調整那這個未來如果現在產化法改變之後地方有了更多的財源我們會來push那麼這個衛生局向這個縣市政府要去爭取那麼增加特別是在這些山地鄉那麼這個山地離島地區人力比較不足需要靠衛生所來提供主要的醫療服務的單位去增加它的人員編制我們一直希望是說 |
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這邊有講到任性國家這個醫療整備計畫有講到全民 社區我是覺得說如果是按照這個邏輯的話是不是真的是應該是從我們衛生所來升級也有在我們這個任性計畫裡面主要是要去協助這些點能夠去維持它的 |
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萬一發生事情的時候可以有一個72小時的這個自行能夠運作的能力包含一些電力 水電這些的那衛生所其實有在我們的規劃我們的任性醫療整備分成三級急救責任醫院 |
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社區緊急醫療跟全民的自救所以第二層的部分是有把這些衛生所事都納入一共全國有500個點左右我的意思是說我就是怕會相對又增加他們的loading所以是不是應該人力也要及早規劃進去不然你只把這些計畫放到裡面也說明一下我們現在有一個優化偏鄉醫療的精進計畫的第二期目前在執行當中其中就是除了強化在地的一些緊急醫療的量能之外 |
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也充實在地醫療的人力問題這個都在計畫當中這個計畫從113會進行到116所以計畫的內容過程我想請部長再跟委員做詳細如果有數字上能夠呈現出來這幾年我們呈現了什麼樣數字的增加這個第二期的計畫執行的成效如何應該跟委員跟國人做更多的報告 |
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然後在動線上面我們是希望說你盤點就是比較靠近就是山區的這些如果沒有辦法馬上編制一些新的點的話現有的比如說診所比如說高速或者是說鹽埔這些地區比較靠近原住民地區可是它是在平地鄉那為什麼會提到這個例子呢就是有很多民眾他是在山區工作被毒蛇咬到 |
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結果他們送到比如說送到高速的時候高速就會說這種東西他們沒有已經是小醫院了他們就說只能送大醫院我的意思說如果說比較靠近臨線就是臨近的 |
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就是平地區可是他是診所或者是小醫院其實我覺得國家應該是要放一些毒蛇血清在那裡不然他們到了那個地方結果沒有辦法處理又要再送其實又是一個時間其實你也知道這些毒蛇啊蜜蜂的咬傷都是時效性非常非常的緊迫所以有人就 |
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很多的地方的民意代表就說希望建議就是沿線的地區如果你沒有辦法衛生所每個都放因為衛生所可能離部落也很遠所以應該是就近我們找一些點然後我們去盤點一下各個區域的地方可以讓民眾可以就近處理 |
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跟委員說明大概我們沒有醫院的地方那當然就是衛生所再來又沒有的話我們有設急救站像剛剛您提到谷關我們就是用急救站像日月潭我們是用急救站因為它這個地方假日觀光人潮會比較多所以我們會設急救站這個急救站的設置有的就可能跟診所合作也有這種例子 |
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那我們再找時間再跟委員稍微討論看還有哪些地方有這個需求有這個缺乏我們再來評估像北橫的華嶺 拉拉山那裡還有嘉義的阿里山鄉因為他們都是距離都會去非常偏遠的地方然後最後就是我們講到我們的現在的我們醫療人員一些收入就是剛才有提到所謂的免稅的部分我是覺得免稅的部分應該是如果除了他的收入 |
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如果確實有增加當然是 |
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合理的稅是可以可是他的加班費加班費跟值班費我覺得應該擴大他的免稅的一個級距不然他24小時或者說他根本就找不到人幫他代班他永遠都在值班這樣子的他有點是被迫工作然後又被迫扣稅這樣的一個情況應該實際去盤查說這樣的醫療人員有多少好 跟委員說我們根據這個所得費法14條的規定 |
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這個僱主這個指使下的這個加班費用是免稅沒有錯那我們醫師呢這個特別是在偏鄉地區他可能的工作時間又更長因為人力是比較少的所以我們已經有在跟財政部在討論那麼也有一些初步的方向那訂出這個加班的這個上限標準然後再加上這個 |
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加班的時數的薪資如何計算那如果這邊完備之後呢那希望能夠讓這個我們工作時間比較長的這個醫師也能夠得到合理的稅付為了留任我們的醫療人員去偏鄉服務的話我們的點值也希望能夠不僅是保障一點因為要給他加成不然他們的收入實在是有的時候其實來的病人沒有那麼多那如果說你沒有加成的話可能也是也可以 |
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會減低他們的意願第二個就是說針對我們真正原住民的部分他在原住民地區看病的時候不用錢就是說免部分負擔可是他一旦跨過這個區域要到醫院的時候他已經花了非常多的時間交通費結果到醫院的時候就跟一般國人一樣要去繳部分負擔我是覺得這個部分一直都沒有解決 |
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然後國家給的是交通補助費可是我們前幾天我們在委員會有討論到它的交通補助費的申請非常的繁瑣它需要單據 需要一張一張的去貼然後衛生所的人是疲於奔命在做這些收集的動作然後一年蓋一次 然後所以那個 |
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可以累積到非常多的量然後如果這個個案他非常需要這筆錢他等到全部都核銷完他才可以領到那我的意思是說能不能去改變申請交通補助費的這樣的一個方式不是只有單一的方式 |
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因為我就說你們現在免負負分擔不可能馬上就完成不過這種你們本來就有的交通補助費應該可以有很多形式來領取而不是只有單一的收取單去這樣的一個這麼古老的方式在做然後還有就是我上次講到的我們的罕見疾病的還有我們癌症新藥這個部分 |
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原住民看病跟離病已經非常辛苦而且大部分的人都是從事勞動尤其是很奇怪就是你有特殊疾病的都是發生在這樣的一個家庭所以常常是求助無門然後找我們來幫忙的時候國家的規定就說你沒有符合那個條件那到底是誰去吃了這個大餅呢每次都看到罕見疾病已經從112億現在已經漲到192億可是我卻享受不到這樣子的一個 |
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這樣的一個餅讓國人讓我們的族人會想到說到底國家的這些檢視在照顧誰我怎麼都沒有被照顧到這樣子的一個難題希望部長跟院長可以設身處地的為我們的族人尤其是生病的族人著想好 簡單跟委員回覆第一個偏鄉我們的醫院都有家庭 |
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9631.257 |
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好好謝謝好謝謝盧憲英委員質詢謝謝卓院長相關部會首長備詢謝謝部委員會現在在議場二樓旁聽來自輔仁大學法律系的同學我們掌聲歡迎各位 |
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謝謝我們接下來請羅廷偉委員質詢 |
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9670.863 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
好 謝謝韓院長 有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 以及衛福部麻煩請衛福部長備詢 以及環境部麻煩請環境部長備詢 |
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9680.993 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
9696.736 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
謝謝 羅文好院長好院長在非洲豬瘟爆發之前10月中秋節前夕台灣也驚爆了食安問題請問一下院長你有印象嗎10月是那個黑心大餐中秋節 |
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9697.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
9713.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
中秋節黑心豬腸事件發生在屏東業者竟然使用工業級的雙氧水來漂白豬腸這些違法的產品大量流入到各個縣市嚴重危害到整個民眾的食品安全我想問一下 |
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9713.951 |
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除了這一次黑心豬腸外根據食藥署的相關官網指出雙氧水過氧化氫就是國內歷年來驗出過氧化氫殘留的我們看到有魚肉的煉製品甚至有魚翅 甚至是面製品 豆類以及新鮮的蓮子跟鹽水雞 |
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可以知道固氧化氫經常都被一般民眾作為所謂的非法漂白劑但食品加工所使用的固氧化氫都是食品級的這些都是庶民小吃喔院長您跟部長跟我可能都有食用過我們都有吃到過但是院長 |
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食品雲跟化學雲老早就已經建制完成為什麼還是會發生黑心珠藏的一個事件到底有沒有被納入沒有被納入到底是衛福部的問題還是環境部的問題 |
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這些所謂的化學用品在國外是很嚴格的管制在台灣為什麼會有這樣的狀況根據本席自衛福部所取得的資料統計從105年到114年國內食品業者使用非法化學參加於食品的案件當中 |
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坦白講都是在終端也就是攤販最終端來使用可是這一次查獲的案件不同百威這家上游廠商被查到的是在上游我們可以推論這不是單一個案擴大偵查上游供應鏈工業級的雙陽水廠商不排除橫向還有更多的案例請問院長有沒有就百威這個業者繼續往上偵查 |
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誰供應百威工業級的雙氧水以及其他業者是否有曾購置相關的原料化學用品追查其他的食品業者有沒有將食品銷售到各個端處是否藉此偵查整個掌握整體相關的細節非法的供應鏈可不可以說明 |
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首先跟委員報告很多的化學添加物它還是有食品級的所以你一定指的是非法的所以這要讓國人了解這是工業級的我剛剛有講過食品級的應該在整個法規制度安全底下食品級的來使用對國人的健康影響是不存在的所以你剛剛說到百威這個公司的個案是不是有進行到查緝什麼程度 |
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會不會不來說說明跟委員說明確實這個雙氧水這個東西過去是用在消毒啦所以實用級的沒有問題那這一次呢這個是工業級的這是完全不可以的所以我們因為過去這是第一次我們去找到是用工業級的來用過去是實用級有殘留所以我們已經跟環境部合作有沒有具體的結果啦 查的如何把它列為化學羽的監測 |
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所以你現在才把它列為化學雲的監測嗎以前沒有這一類現在把它讓進去相關的出貨紀錄業者提供的進貨所有的源頭你們有去清查嗎有 都清查了目前狀況怎麼樣就是到百威而已所以你目前就只有百威 |
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相關的數據資料可以讓我知道一下嗎好 謝謝我想這個有必要跟社會大眾說清楚講明白全民都會擔憂因為現在不是只有百威這個工業級的雙氧水的問題我們還有蘇丹紅色素我們現在還有所謂分譜擬氮最近的食安最近讓所有的國人都非常的擔憂我們應該要加強食品雲 化學雲以及我們現在還有食安辦我認為啊 |
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案發的第一時間食藥署一直強調這不是病死豬啊這個不是病變豬啊因為凡不符合這些的資格的都會懶然最後把他排除可是問題啊院長就是因為病死豬跟健康豬相關的這些進貨價格差資千里才會有砍頭的生意有人做啊因為有暴力嘛所以為什麼他會不肝 |
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就做這樣子的事務他一定要賺取暴利所以我們希望這個部分一定要嚴格的去查緝我同意這種行為無法在這裡道德勸說雖然商有商道但是還是要用政府的力道才有辦法來解決這個問題所以對食安的問題政府當然非常的重視現在發生蛋的問題發生蘇丹紅的問題馬上第一時間會強力的制止 |
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給地方政府如果能夠適時及時的查獲中央整個在檢驗跟量能上面我們會增加地方有責但是我現在要說的食品雲還有化學雲這個一定要很重要我們再來看一下相關的數據資料我們可以看到現在在整個相關的資料裡面有幾個我們看到的化學藥製品 |
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包括氫氧化鈉 工業用的亞酸硝鈉非食用級的蘇打粉 玫瑰紅B以及工業用的雙氧水請問這八件上面所提到的化學品有沒有列入到化學雲跟食品雲中請回答 |
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這些都有這些都有然後但是這次的那個雙氧水的部分因為雙氧水工業級跟化學跟那個使用級是一線之路這一次才列入啦所以我要講的是市面上已經有違規的形態了嘛為何過往沒有被納入而這一次發現百味以後才納入這已經螺絲掉啦我要講的是已經有所謂的違規樣態囉院長 |
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我覺得應該要檢討所以說就算是事後我們做檢討也好但是事前剛剛部長講過了工業級的跟實用級的一線之隔本來就有在禁止當中的但是工業級我們都知道不能用但越界了以後我們當然要加強這樣的檢驗的量度所以我認為 |
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這個已經是基本的常識了工業級跟食用級本來就應該把工業級的直接納入到食品雲而發生了才把它納入這個部分一定要檢討食安應該要超越國人應該有的我們的一些嚴格標準我們應該要超前部署 |
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院長 食安辦當時成立的精神跟目的現在找不到了食安辦我們在這一次黑心豬腸事件中沒有發揮應有的責任跟角色我們現在看到化學雲對於整個化學藥品的整個管制 |
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食安雲對於整個食品流通的管理以及食安辦中央協調各部會的這些辦公室沒有監控的力道嘛國人要的不是這些簡報上的食安五環還有這些雲端的平台名詞而是看得見感受得到的真正攔阻跟警示的效果讓黑心豬腸在市面上流竄了數個月現在我們希望院長 |
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您應該要督促您應該要清楚的跟國人保證我們的食安應該要加強超前部署嚴格警惕可以嗎食安問題加強嚴格超前這個都應該但是我也必須跟委員報告食安辦處理的事情是相當多的他跨部會整合但是我們希望有效果 |
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出現了這個問題他必須內部要自我檢討是沒有錯他也要追溯這個來源甚至要提供出法律上法治上是否有疏漏不語之處也要做整個修法的一個工作所以他提出我們一定全力的支持但是我們最怕的是他不知道自己有問題 |
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當然我們會要求他 他也一直在做進行的工作部長一直說 食安辦跟這個相關部會的聯繫跨部會的會議協調是一直在進行 沒有間斷的好 謝謝 還是真的要加強院長 衛福部現在要啟動主改除成立了兒童及家庭署也將同步調整其他的業務如整合長照的業務請問這一次主改的具體規劃預計何時送到立法院來給我們審 |
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我們已經到了最後明年2月3月兒童及家庭發展署那這個會在整個衛福部新的架構裡面會讓他成為一個對於兒童的健康啊照顧啦福利啊各方面都會有的最後已經在做一些 |
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最後文字上三月前可以嗎我認為可以更快三月前可以更快雖然目前的主改的細節尚未擬定但未來朝向兒童專責的一個單位長者專責的一個單位也就是兒童及家庭發展署及長照署的規劃在走 |
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我們本席感覺這樣子的一個方向是相當支持的我覺得這是應該行政院應該趕快具體的有相關說明跟規劃藍圖讓社會有所依循所以本席在這邊支持之外也感謝院長跟部長我們願意全力的來支持之外我也要感謝大家是什麼是我在本席今年3月的時候在未還委員會倡議的學齡前兒童私立篩檢的一個計畫目前有要朝向這樣子的方向來執行 |
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我非常感恩你代表國人但是院長眼睛是靈魂之窗近視的防治兩支箭只射出了一支另外一支我跟你娓娓道來這個成年人眼睛的保健預防還沒有下文 |
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所以這個部分衛福部改組之前規劃我是不是將這個議題一起來討論一下有七成的國人有近視眼底容易發生病變日後發生青光眼還有視網膜剝離的機率是大幅提升每增加近視100度 |
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我們現在看到近視性的黃斑病變發生率增加58%視網膜剝離發生增加30%白內障發生增加21%青光眼發生增加20%這是每增加100度的近視在政府推動成人預防健檢中院長你有沒有健檢啊 |
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當然有健檢那現在呢 健檢當中多半都是什麼血液 尿液以及腎功能等檢查但是成人預防的健保當中我們看到這個針對高度近視的群眾眼睛有什麼樣的保健 |
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有嗎因為健檢除非到比較完整的大型醫院平常的健檢中心他是不是有能力都具備眼科專業的這種儀器跟人員就本席所知道我有跟我們的燕光師團體合作其實是有的啦只是要怎麼樣再增加這樣子的量能現在我們的視力保健只有所謂的視力檢查跟射盲 |
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這個我們每天都去看因為各鄰里都會辦可是青光眼不易察覺很多人不知道自己有青光眼的潛在所以這是全球不可逆失明的守衛針對青光眼的預防我們做了些什麼 |
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許多研究者都指出他不知道啊所以同樣的近視族群高的視網膜剝離也一樣啊對於視網膜剝離近視高的我們的預防保健有什麼 衛福部長跟這個委員說明一下確實這國人的視力問題是我們的重要健康啦但是視力的保健我們一直在做這個宣導但是要不要納爾為常規的篩檢 |
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因為我們要考慮到量能不然會排擠到真正需要好我知道院長部長已經跟你講了只有宣導沒有所謂的預防保健這就是問題點我要跟院長再次的建議增加國人眼底篩檢將青光眼色網膜玻璃納入到我覺得這是非常有必要的也希望你能夠納入到政策當中這個建議我想首先進行必要的宣導 |
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在一般的健檢過程當中如果眼科的這種進行一般的宣導說什麼樣告訴他你有什麼症狀可能要進一步去做檢查這個宣導一定要完成宣導基本上都有啦他們都有在做但是現在清光眼還是很多人不知道所以就疏忽了嘛我們在強化這個宣導啦但是這個全面性的普篩的話這個可能這個政策院長跟你問一個比較私密性的問題請問你有做攝護腺的相關檢查嗎沒有 |
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您知道攝護腺檢查對於男性來說比較尷尬嗎 |
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也不會啊是嗎有病就要吃藥你說你沒有做過健檢你說也不會攝護腺癌近三年來發生持續上升去年已經達了9858人我們看到死亡率每10萬人口7.8人為子宮頸癌2.56人的三倍三倍子宮頸癌在1995年納入全民癌症篩檢我也建議院長 |
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10526.298 |
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10552.948 |
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攝護腺癌應該要被納入全民癌症篩檢裡面可以嗎跟委員說明這個確實這個攝護腺癌隨著我們人口的高齡化它的發生率在增加沒有錯那麼因此我們一直在宣導哪一些情形之下你要特別去留意就醫篩檢那麼至於說怎麼樣去補篩或者是怎麼樣的這個癌症防治的政策我們會在半年內再麻煩你檢討啦 |
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因為第三個我要講的是65歲以上被檢測出骨鬆的比例高達14.1等於每7人就1人骨鬆現在總人數達到了300到40萬人是400萬人台北市有一些縣市在進行成效不錯院長 |
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隨著年齡老化 人口老化以及未來骨鬆患者越來越多我們也希望骨密度的檢測還有這個部分的骨鬆篩檢應該全國推行 可以嗎希望你能夠一起把它做一個審慎的評估謝謝羅廷偉委員質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長備詢 謝謝 |
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抱怨會現在一場二樓又來了新的好朋友新竹縣產值企業工會的朋友們我們掌聲歡迎院長喝口水我們就開始對院長累了辛苦了好接下來我們請黃建豪委員質詢李燕秀委員請準備 |
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院長好 那我們一樣請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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黃國元好 院長好 院長我想再過四十天左右我國就正式要來進入所謂的 碳費徵收的一個時期開始了那在這開始之前呢 我有一個大災問想要請教一下我們院長因為這個我國並不是 巴黎協定的這個組織的國家我們並沒有簽署相關的協定是我們主動的去盡我們世界公民的責任 要做這件事情 |
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但是我問的問題是說如果未來的政策上面我們如果不參與會怎麼樣或是說未來政策改變的話對於我們的企業或對於我們這碳飛的徵收會產生什麼效果就是我們有沒有必要一定要加入那不加入的後果是什麼可不可以請院長說明一下其實我們在各個領域跟經濟的發展以及我們對國際社會的責任我們一直將自己視為很 |
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負責任的國際社會的一個成員所以對於這種環境的保護也好各種先進的進步的這種思想也好政府跟人民都應該要循著這個方向在進行委員剛剛所說的碳費的申收我們在過去幾年一直做很積極的準備同時我們也劃定了時程那這個時程當然會因為這個外在情勢的改變我們會做一些基本的考慮但目前這個 |
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制度上我們是朝向這樣在走實施的進程上面部長還會有精密的一些規劃待會討論院長為什麼要提出一開始要先問這問題因為我想現在的新的美國政府他們宣稱他們參與不晚了 |
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他們既然不參與不玩了那未來我想台灣跟美國之間有很多的投資貿易有很多的相關的合作的案子對於台灣的企業在碳費的成本跟競爭力上會不會有影響這是我想提出來先討論說為什麼 |
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為什麼要提出這個問題一開始要提出來的原因就是因為如果我們跟台灣的這麼多科技廠或這麼多的設備商未來跟美國之間有這麼多的合作但是如果像以美國政府為例剛剛幫院長也提到了國際形勢的改變現在的美國政府他們沒有參與這件事情那我們還是非常在意這件事情一來一往之間會不會造成我們的成本的提升以及中間 |
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在試算碳費徵收不徵收的過程裡面會不會影響到我們產業的這個結構因為我想過去這段時間的討論裡面包含了美國關稅政策的結果我想也影響到說包含環境部委提出了碳費到底要打幾折的問題我想這個事情對台灣的企業有直接的影響所以今天我為什麼要一開始先問這問題後續如果美國政策調整了 |
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會不會影響到我國的國內企業對碳費的政策的制定的進度會不會有影響我會請部長來做說明我先向委員報告的是我們一開始對碳費的設定對企業來講是採取最低的負擔最低的負擔那現在委員說的我剛剛報告的國際情勢改變我們會考量 |
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產業界它最高的競爭力這兩個橫屏的考量之下請部長來做說報告委員 碳費並不是為了要收一筆錢政府來做使用而是要企業真實的來做減碳也跟委員報告雖然美國的聯邦政府可能會稍微有一點調整但是以我在參與國際會議跟委員在巴拉圭有碰面其實我見到了很多ICT的產業在美國重量級的他們都告訴我 |
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他們持續的往前走甚至近年的目標2030年可能會提早來推動這個事情所以我們並不擔心美國政策上有什麼樣的變化 |
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好那如果確定要做那我再提供一下其他國家的做法就是鄰近的包含說我們跟我們這個背景類似像新加坡或是日本新加坡在針對碳費減碳的部分的部分他們是因為像為什麼會特別提到新加坡是因為新加坡跟我們一樣共同的都有去跟巴拉圭政府來談要來採購相關的這個碳信用額度那當然 |
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在分散風險部分 新加坡他們還同時做了這個加納跟密魯也是購買了非常多所謂的碳的信用的額度日本同樣也是一樣跟東南亞國家也是買了很多這樣子的額度那我要問就是說那台灣在這件事情上面目前來講是不是只有機會或是有其他可能性 |
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有幸跟部長在巴拉圭碰到面就談到這個事情那台灣到底目前為止我們在採購所謂的碳信用額度的部分我們只能跟邦交國來購買嗎還是跟其他的國家即便沒有邦交但是在這個機制上面我們也有合作的機會 |
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因為巴黎協定的6.4是允許多邊的樣態來進行所以目前我們不管跟邦交國或非邦交國委員提到這個建議我們都積極在進行當中我們也非常理解新加坡非常的積極面對這個事但是新加坡的排碳量持續在增加我們台灣排碳量過去連三年都每年大概降2到3%所以我們的確會按照委員的這個建議積極來推動 |
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後續我們現在跟巴拉圭有談,可能後續也跟其他國家,我要提到一件事情,我們現在台灣有所謂的探權交易所,探權交易所的認定,到底是我們國內自己認定,還是探權交易所這件事情它有符合巴黎協定,它是可以符合國際的規範, |
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那如果後續因為就我所知啦探權交易所的認定這個目前來講距離這所謂巴黎協定的規範標準還有一定程度的這個距離所以部長我們國內才需要說積極的去跟巴拉圭去跟其他國家去談真正有符合巴黎協定合作的這個空間去做這樣的合作那如果未來比如說跟巴拉圭也好或跟其他可能潛在的國家合作也好 |
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未來國內企業在面對碳費徵收或是要做交易的時候他們是一定要透過碳權交易所合作還是有其他的機制這部分是不是要說明一下因為我想過幾天就下個月今天已經11月底了12月過完明年開始國內的一些產業也會面臨到這個問題 |
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所以到底這個機制要怎麼運作是不是可以請院長或是部長來說明一下讓國人 讓產業知道一下這狀況好 謝謝委員我們現在碳交所它主要是以自願性減碳為主但是我們現在未來會規劃政府的碳費它有部分的可以去抵減或是說這種各種的減碳額度我們希望有更大的量能夠在碳交所發射現在的確它的營業額不高 |
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但是因為我們的這個碳定價是從今年開始明年才開始收所以未來它的這個碳交所的營運是可以期待的但是我必須說我們還是必須要打通跟國際的連結這個是我們環境部在這個法規或是這個碳的這個這種regulation制度上面能夠在更精進的地方那我們這一兩年應該會有很大的突破院長跟部長這個剛剛提到就是說 |
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碳交所當然現在的制度已經有了那包含說我剛剛提到我們前段時間所謂跟巴拉圭跟邦交國簽訂了相關合作未來也會納入相關的計算我的意思是說國內的企業比如說我們跟巴拉圭談了這些包含說採購它的碳權 碳交易等等的國內的企業要怎麼樣去採用這部分這個額度是由政府認定然後企業去跟政府購買還是認定之後納入所謂碳交易平台國內的碳交易所裡面 |
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企業可以自由的去採購這個是不太一樣的狀況報告委員 這個還是要政府來出面來做這個事因為我們畢竟我們國家的處境是非常特殊所以我們會根據巴黎協定的6.4條然後由政府跟政府之間簽訂一個協議那我們會整個統一一個同胞然後最後是由碳交所來協助最主要還是企業需要自己來去取得這個碳權 |
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所以企業要去找探交所做相關的交易對 但是這個整個法規或是整個談判是由我們環境部來代表國家來去跟邦交國來去做處理的再來一個問題那一樣食物商因為你剛剛部長提到說這個要交由企業自己去所謂認購相關的探權的問題 |
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實務上當然各國對於碳費的收取跟他認定的金額有不一致的狀況可能歐洲最近比較便宜因為前段時間打仗歐洲比較便宜或中國比較便宜所以今天企業在採用碳費的時候他可不可以自己去國外去購買相關的憑證 |
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環境部認不認還是我們國內企業要認一定要經過我們台灣的所謂碳交易平台他才能夠認定如果是我們國家管制的企業大概包含300多家就完全我們政府會來認定例如說但是我必須說我們不能全部台灣自己不減碳我們台灣要自己減我們按照目前國際的公約大概有5%可以透過國際的方式來取得否則其他的話他就自願性的減碳所以這個部分我們是很清楚的一定我們會強制來認 |
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我們也避免有漂濾的行為因為就最確實啦就是我現在講的就是漂濾的問題嘛就是說其實國內有些產業他們可能會認為說我能夠從國際上從第三世界國家來採購到他覺得合法的碳權 |
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那這部分環境部認還是不認這部分我覺得要我們會嚴格的要求因為這個漂濾的行為特別是拿那個垃圾的探泉這個其實我們過去也發生也看到過所以我們要避免這件事情實質的檢探是最重要的那我就回答問題還是要回答問題就是說我剛剛很明確想要請教一下我們國家未來明年開始上路的政策到底國內的企業不管受管制不受管制國內這些企業他在採購探泉的時候他是一定 |
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要透過碳交易平台去做認證 |
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還是他可以自己到國外去其他的其他機構認證的結果他採購成功了有買到我們也認還是一定要通過專銷交給他兩種啦 資源性的減碳資源性的市場他怎麼做他自己的宣告符合國際的法規都可以但是以政府列管的例如說台積電他一年排放一千多萬噸他要做到淨零我們會管制他的目標那他就一定要照我們的這個方式他買了什麼或是做什麼我們都一筆一筆會來做確認 |
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所以他去國外採購的不算嗎我們會確認一定要符合我們的要求的法規他不能隨便亂買會依照我們列的例如說白名單等等來做處理好 專長最後還是要拜託在這個議題上面因為當然我知道我們國際處境相對比較艱困目前當然比較大的 |
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國土面積 雨林面積比較大的就是巴拉圭當然我們去跟他們談合作這個是很這邊要值得肯定但是有沒有機會在其他的國家或其他的地區如果有這麼大範圍面積能夠談合作部分我也希望說我們環境部跟我們行政院或者整個國家要想辦法通過這個機制去做合作要不然如果只有一個國家的風險相對比較高萬一它中間 |
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有什麼樣的變化我想對整個國內的碳費或是國內碳權的交易還是有衝擊所以未來有沒有機會或是有沒有計畫再跟其他國家談合作有 謝謝委員這個部分我們不管是邦交跟非邦交國我們有鎖定一些可能潛在的對象我們也關注到像新加坡對這個非常的積極我們不會輸給別人我們會按照那個方式來進行好 謝謝 謝謝部長部長可以先請回想討論別的議題 |
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所以院長我想看一下我們這個國家勞動力的問題我想從2015年過去10年到現在展望未來10年整體的總人口數持續在下降當然2020年看起來是近年來人口數最多2300將近60萬人的數字大概最高從2020年之後持續的往下探我們看到未來10年預估國發會預估當然會剩下2200萬人左右 |
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那在人口比例的結構上面勞動人口大概剩下六成而已剩下的我們的高齡人口大概佔百分之二十八然後幼齡人口佔百分之十左右所以整體來講國家的這個所謂的勞動力需求會越來越高那今天我要先勞動力需求越來越高錢的可能性未來可能會有引進更多的移工更多的這個產業的移工來幫忙國內的產業但是在討論這個議題之前我覺得要先解決現在的問題 |
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我想最近很多新聞台灣大家最在意的當然是詐騙的問題那詐騙裡面其實有我們看到新聞也看到這個相關數據移工擔任車手或擔任詐騙集團的相關的幫手的問題也非常的嚴重合法移工裡面有占七成他們去參與了相關詐騙的工作那失戀移工裡面大概有兩成去做相關的事情我想整個台灣目前來講我們移工不管合法非法的 |
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大約百萬大軍合法大概八十幾萬逃逸的大概十萬聯絡不上的十萬所以大概百萬大軍這些移工很多裡面三千多人去年三千多人參與了詐騙今年到目前為止已經八千多人所以數量是倍數的成長 |
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那對於這些事情我想我們當然會有判刑會有相關的這個懲罰或是說判刑完復刑完畢之後把錢送回國但是這樣就夠了嗎因為我想這個事情對造成的是說雇主他也是有影響啊就是我今天聘了這樣的移工進來 |
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第一個 雇主他們有沒有義務要承擔責任還是是仲介要來承擔相關的賠償跟保證責任我不知道未來如果我們因為剛剛提到了人口結構的改變未來可能會有越來越多移工的需求在相關的懲處機制或預防機制上 |
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我們有什麼樣的做法還是就這樣子逃逸的移工當然雇主在經過相當的程序之下要負相當的責任是有的是逃逸的移工逃逸移工在跑去做一些詐欺的行為這個部分大東部有沒有進一步的規劃 |
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那個跟文說明其實針對這個失聯移工的問題其實確實近年在這個發生率上面其實是有降低的我們如果從數據來看的話111年當時疫情的時候是比較嚴重的大概接近到6% |
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那今年我們看到今年的數據就目前雖然今年還沒過完但今年其實已經降到大概2.34%但針對逃逸移工的查緝我想我們跟移民署我們會持續的來加強這是在查緝面那在預防面我們也會盡力的來做預防面當然包括我們在一開始移工入國的時候相關的宣導他的權益甚至法律責任的宣導部長你有時間不夠打拆一下我今天 |
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不是針對逃役工啦就是說逃役工當然現在政策有你們的做法我現在針對像這種詐騙的行為他們犯法有沒有人要出來擔保還是他一定說我就沒錢我服彎刑我就回去了頂多被拒絕入境而已嘛但對台灣這些詐騙的受害者 |
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移工也好或是相關的這引進的這個仲介團體也好他們有沒有需要負相關連帶的責任還是就跟現行法例一樣就沒有就是反正回去就好當然移工如果犯法的話主要的責任當然還是在移工身上如果他做詐騙主要的責任還是在他身上沒有 我們希望還是要有相關的擔保因為我們是仲介 |
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好 謝謝黃建豪委員質詢謝謝卓院長被刑 謝謝接下來我們要請本日上午最後一位委員質詢請李燕秀委員請質詢 |
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麻煩再請卓院長備詢以及衛福部部長請衛福部長備詢 |
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林委員好院長好 部長好我今天還是要再一次就台灣人民長期關注的食安問題來跟院長跟部長就教源頭的管理我們大家都知道對食品安全非常的重要除了前一陣子雞蛋的問題在過去幾年不斷的發生狀況之外我今天先就我們開放日本輔導的食品我來跟院長跟部長就教11月21號 |
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我們再次解禁了福島的五個縣市的食品也就是院長你現在看到上面這個表所有的食品它在日本是禁止流通的因為它是有可能它是現在是福島有可能是遭到核污染的食品所以目前這些食品是管制的 |
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那11月21号我们到底开放了什么呢也就是说这些食品现在在日本是不能流通的但是我们的调整过去是因为它禁止那当然它也就不能输入来台湾福岛的食品也不能输入台湾但是我们现在除了这些食品它有机会进来台湾之外我们食药署又做了第二件事情就是我们不需要再做产地的证明 |
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我們過去我們都知道產地的證明很重要你是在東京都你是在北海道你是在日本哪一個地方我們可以看得到但是11月21號那一天我們另外我們取消了產地證明這件事情所以就是說我們現在對日本食品的查核對於全國民眾來說我們就變成說我們只能例行性的邊境查核跟全民的公測 |
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我沒有機會知道他是來自北海道他是來自福島日本流通的本來有可能我剛出河的那個表出河支線那一欄表日本禁止流通我不會知道他到底是來自哪裡日本禁止流通的他就有可能進來因為11月21號公告這件事情 |
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造成很多長期喜歡吃日本食品的很多民眾的恐懼所以我現在就要跟部長講了我們現在對於邊境對日本邊境的管理食品邊境管理真的只剩下台日友好四個字難道台日友好這四個字就有機會就有可能讓我們吃下這些食品這是現在台灣民眾的恐懼 |
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所以我要再次提醒部長這件事情對於台灣民眾為什麼這件事情引起很多民眾的憤怒院長你聽得懂我的意思嗎不懂 |
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你不懂開放福島的食品過去我們就標註它是福島食品你現在是不用標註生產的地點喔我們連想要知道生產的地點來自哪裡我們現在都不知道喔它可以不標示它只要標示日本製就可以囉 |
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這個我當然知道因為我們過去十多年來檢查了二十幾萬件它都沒有超越任何的標準而且現在我們是依據國際共同的標準剛才我第一張表日本流通的這些東西我們現在都有可能見日本禁止流通這些東西日本禁止的不可能進來台灣 |
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你怎麼知道有可能有不肖的進口商如果有不肖的進口商要進來你怎麼去查驗你現在查驗就只剩下邊境管理你邊境的抽檢你到底量可以達到多少第一個我是有問號因為我們海關人力也有限這是我第一個院長我要提醒你第二件事情我不要在這邊跟你糾結因為你的問題在哪裡我剛才已經提出來我說不懂很多國人憤怒這一點我不懂哪一些國人在憤怒 |
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有可能吃到來自福島有問題的食品你說完之後說很多國人憤怒有來自福島有問題的食品大家當然有憂慮啊你說很多國人憤怒這點我不懂第二點 我要跟你就講來自於日本過去我們三次解禁來自日本公共 |
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来自日本的食品我都觉得充满了政治算计为什么我这么说呢过去第一次在111年2月11号我们公告日期满了是2月18号那我们不到三天就已经开始公告那第二次是113年在9月25号我们遇到预告期满是9月23号我们公告日期 |
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公告日其實是9月20號不到兩天我們就公告第三次當然就是這一次按照道理說一過去食藥署在處理日本的食品公告期一滿我們馬上公告日不到一個禮拜我們馬上就公告但是這一次我們卻延到一個月之後才公告所以會讓外界會覺得這裡面 |
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真的是充滿了政治的操作不會啊依照過去你看不到一個禮拜兩天三天就公告我不知道你們是在等什麼啦但是在我看來你們就是充滿了政治算計任何一天委員都可以懷疑啊針對日本福島的食品的開放也好我覺得充滿了政治算計跟包括對食品安全的部分我覺得國人有很多的憂慮我原心中有算計就會任何一天都可以算得出來啊但是沒有任何算計啊 |
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我希望沒有算計但是對於食品的安全我都認為應該高度的把關應該跟過去一樣為什麼這一次做了調整開放這件事情 |
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何時?國人要吃嗎?我覺得如果你仔細去問大家,大家一定不要吃因為日本不能流通福島的五線式食品你們這一次做了採訪,我個人就覺得有問題這件事情留給國人去評價因為我後面還有很多其他的問題院長,我不是來跟你吵架,但是人民自有公斷何時的食品要不要吃? |
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沒有生產的產地標誌讓人民連選擇的機會都沒有我覺得這就是漏洞好 第二個問題委員的標題太聳動了院長 院長標題我沒有設下標題但是如果連生產的產地連生產的產地人民都看不到它到底來自北海道來自福島還是來自哪裡連人民選擇機會都沒有我個人認為就是食安源頭管理的漏洞日本禁止的食品台灣吃不到這個原則一定要先說 |
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如果有不肖廠商我覺得連源頭的標誌都沒有的話那就是一個漏洞人民至少會想知道是來自北海道是來自日本國是來自九州是來自青都來自哪裡現在連生產標誌都沒有這就是最大的問題 |
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好 院長我第二件事情我就是要就現在兒科醫學的問題前兩週我們的總統成立了要求成立兒童跟家庭署這件事情是好事我個人也支持但是最近有幾個新聞包括北榮有四科兒科總醫師都留不下來那他們自己開業那無獨有偶我們現在包括在台大 |
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我們的住院醫師在去年也沒有招滿整個兒科醫師在全台灣留任率只有38%所以最近有幾位我看到網路上都是兒科的醫師他們說他們在求學選擇練兒科的時候是匆匆忙忙留任有餘但是決定在線上決定要離開就是匆匆忙忙連滾帶爬 |
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為什麼 我相信部長很清楚我們要把每個孩子值照顧得更好兒科醫師很重要但是兒科醫師在全台灣留任率不到38%會變成一個問題屏東可能沒有如果屏東有個孩子重症他可能要拉到高雄 |
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那個車程救護車程可能就需要一段時間成相差距我想部長很清楚因為我們現在兒科醫師留任率不到38%值如何照顧得更好好那我現在就來提怎麼樣去做解決總統既然成立了家庭署兒童家庭署我們就希望孩子生的少是一個國安問題值如何照顧得更好那更重要所以現在人兒科現在面臨的問題就是我們現在人力下降兒童少 |
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兒科醫師照護的人少這是相對的 部長同不同意因為我們每萬名兒童的醫師是在增加就是因為我們這個分母在下降但是還是有分布的問題就像您提到的現在60幾%都是在基層醫院的部分 |
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要再强化医师都是问题所以现在解决方案就是我们如何把儿科医师留任率提高是重点所以未来无论是我们值如何调整价如何调整也就是我们现在健保的点值我看一个孩子他哭闹看医生我可以看两个成人 |
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院長你同意嗎我開一個我幫孩子造一個胃鏡一歲跟四歲的孩子六歲的孩子他胃的長度不一樣他可能需要胃的胃管那個他背的器材就要更多成人他只要一個size就好所以開刀一個孩子的話無論準備的衣材器材成本都相對高看一個孩子跟看一個成人的時間也不一樣 |
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所以部長你了解我在講什麼院長我想我這樣簡單的解釋你應該聽得懂所以我們怎麼去解決我們現在兒科醫師留不住所以在值跟量的部分無論是在健保點值的部分跟單價的部分如何提高 |
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才是真正的重點否則我們現在真的發生醫療重症兒童發生醫療重症的時候那就有可能變成醫療人球有些地方我醫生專責任不夠他不敢收他不是不願意收他不敢收比屏東他可能就要拉到高雄去 |
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所以這就是現在兒科醫師的症狀然後另外一個就是我們現在有專責醫生制度專責醫生制度現在大概覆蓋率不到六成為什麼我們現在每一個兒科醫師他的單價低我們現在收費的大概每一個收案的只有一千塊但是行政流程非常的複雜他要填一堆單子他就乾脆不要做 |
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所以我們無論是兒科醫生專責制度也好或者是我們兒科醫師的照護人力也好現在都呈現相當大的問題所以這個部分院長我們可不可以是在值跟量的部分我覺得應該值的單價也好價也好值的部分應該個案的部分以個案收容量來說應該價不同值也要去做一些調整我們現在就往這個方向在做規劃在前幾位委員也提過類似的問題剛剛我們也答覆過 |
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那答覆的過程委員也清楚我請部長在座說明一下跟委員說明我們的方向上大概都跟委員提的是一致的就是不要再free for service因為小孩子照顧得好 健康的反而就一少所以我們現在會朝向第一個 |
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就是Primary Care的部分朝向P4P就是潤脂的方式增加他的個案管理的費用讓他照顧好這樣可以拿得到這些收入那第二個呢重症的部分在醫院部分重症的部分調高他的只有重症的部分那你還是留不住啊兩個 兩個 兩個都做一個是剛剛提到的那健保點植的部分呢 |
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因為它被保障了它不是算浮動點子因為我們框出一筆預算所以就是在做這個部分所以那個剛剛提到的個案費用的提高我們正在做那至於流程的簡化我們來檢討我覺得檢討現行兒科醫療的支付標準沒有錯就是重點那部長什麼時候一個月之內會有答案嗎 |
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支付標準的調整我們一直都在調我們今年就已經調了那你什麼時候會有新的方向出來新的方向在年底我們就會討論好因為接著明年開始的醫生會請用你時跟量都要做調整才對一個是專責醫師的部分是論值那重症的部分還是把他的支付標準提高 |
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不要只有重症 我覺得要一併做調整既然總統已經下令要承諾兒童屬好 我們這個問題在這邊打住部長你請回 勞動部部長我第三個問題就是要跟院長討論各勞工的工會團體其實都是長期我們跟工會在互動瞭解勞工的需求 |
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勞工長期在台灣佔九成在支撐我們中小企業很多重要的整個產業沒有勞工當然完全不行那工會是居中了解勞工現在面臨的問題跟狀況工會這幾年我們已經很久沒有做協助我們了解勞工的問題包括協助催保勞健保的補助費的部分我們過去已經很多年沒有去做調整包括工會的相關的一些補助費用 |
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所以從111年到113年其實我們做了很多物價的調整所以我今天在這邊再一次的訴求希望院長針對於工會勞健保的補助費還有他們每一次協助了解勞工的議題我覺得在行政作業費上我覺得應該適時的去做一些調整我希望納入部長內部去做討論可以嗎部長直接答覆好 那個跟李委員說明其實因為我們之前當然也從第十塊調到 |
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那個12.5塊12.5塊調到14塊那當然這裡面我們當然也會來試整體政府的財政然後也包括勞健保整體的通盤的來考量通盤去做討論我希望再一次做調整好 謝謝然後我接下來一個問題就是我們的產價的延長的部分產價的部分部長我長期關注 |
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台灣的產婦其實非常辛苦只有八週的產假其實是低於她身心可以恢復的時間所以院長我每一次質詢我都問同樣的問題到底你們有沒有機會在你任內討論產婦的產假延長包括薪資公共化 |
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跟委員說明 其實我們非常非常在意尤其是懷孕的賴蜂相關的權益我們八州是很低 比日本低比新加坡還低所以其實我們先做了幾件事情第一個我們先做了育嬰留庭談刑以日來請休這部分我們已經在進行這個我都知道 但是產假的延長才是重點昨天我們也針對像懷孕歧視的問題其實我們也開了 |
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好 謝謝謝謝李燕歇委員的質詢也謝謝卓院長貝馨 謝謝報應會我們上午質詢到此為止下午兩點三十分繼續開會我非常感謝桃園大溪選區的邱若驊委員陪同還有林倩琪委員 王育民委員一起參與我們今天的質詢非常感謝我們先來休息 |
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卓院長各位閣員午安抱怨會我們一場二樓旁聽席來自高雄的科技大學文藻外語大學德明財經科技大學大同大學四個學校學生會這趟來台北體驗民主之迎我們掌聲歡迎 |
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好 我們現在繼續開會下午的質詢 首先請陳金威委員質詢謝榮介委員請準備謝謝院長還有謝謝我們來自高雄的學生們剛看到認識的人那我們請卓院長麻煩請卓院長備詢 |
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我可以關心一下為什麼勞動部長不在嗎勞動部長還沒到 我們時間暫停時間暫停 |
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各位同學這第一次發生過去從來沒有發生過大家不要誤會同學上課沒有遲到那卓院長你要不要先回去坐一下卓院長您是不是要先休息一下為什麼部長沒有到我下去查一下卓院長您請坐 |
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跟各位同學介紹我們議場還有兩位立法委員一個桃園大溪地區的邱若驊委員一個嘉義的王玉明委員我們立法院女性立委佔47% 將近一半是是是 到了到了陳委員可以繼續質詢好 那我們請卓院長麻煩請卓院長備詢 |
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院長 總委好 不好意思 對不起首先我們要探討一下上一次四月我曾經給你示警因為我說龍年已經低於兔年的生育率那現在第一年的蛇年然後一二三月又非常的低迷所以四月的時候我曾經告訴您說我們一定要立刻拿出策略立刻拿出戰略否則會非常的慘你當時提到有一個13萬的保衛戰我現在播給您看 |
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在跟國發會討論過程當中設定一個13萬的保衛戰出生13萬的保衛戰我剛剛給你三個月的數據您覺得您今年有辦法達到13萬保衛戰嗎我已經給您三個月的數據了這個是要靠我們很多政策跟那要馬上啊不然你今年絕對沒有辦法撐過 |
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看完這段影片我想問院長你想要把13萬保衛戰下修為11萬保衛戰嗎因為早上我有聽到其他委員有問你截至今年的10月我們只有淡下9萬的新生兒 |
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報告委員13萬的保衛戰是我們在去年按照去年一整年的評估我們認為今年應該保13萬但是很遺憾的距離我們想要保的這個數字目前來看還是相當大一點我可以稍微問一下您是用什麼方式評估的嗎因為我這邊也有一些 |
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比如說去做產檢的管道啊專門做一些基因檢測的管道他們有他們自己的AI運算系統他們都已經告訴我說今年可以達到11萬就已經謝天謝地我想知道您運用的因為我們是AI內閣啊AI內閣應該現在產檢的人你就幾乎可以預測到明年生出來的人所以你是用什麼模式去算出你今年應該有13萬保衛戰我們是在去年我們知道去年是龍年 |
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去年的生產大概13萬4千來幾千我們認為農年會比較高農年過之後會有往下掉的趨勢我也知道用科學的根據來測試預估是一個很好的方式但是我願意在去年我是給閣員一個更高漲的壓力希望大家能夠想出好的對策或是讓國人能夠有這種 |
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願意結婚願意生小孩願意來好好駕養他的這種觀念所以我們是一個比較高難度的那我這邊可以具體建議您是不是回去跟數位部還有衛福部研究一下因為你們是AI內閣基本上你們可以去預測明年的出生數並且一直滾動式調整你們的戰略跟策略嘛對不對是我們現在後來我們是下修到12萬的保衛戰那還是沒有保住那你覺得今年會到12萬嗎是有困難的 |
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有困難嗎那今天其實我會花蠻大的篇幅因為我本身是做這個領域的所以我會花很大的篇幅我也希望我們兩個可以共同激發出一些想法真的可以對我們的少子女畫有幫助下一張我們要看一下這個是我們推動8年的少子女畫當初寫得非常好聽我們希望119年的生育率可以達到1.4 |
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結果我們這樣子看下來這8年生育率是從1.05一路掉到0.89我們先姑且不論這些預算的執行率了因為生育率就是最好的執行率左邊是計畫執行8年執行率越來越差生育率嘛右邊就是我們少子化對策計畫的實施期間我們把它分成4個面向第一個就是有生的人越來越少 |
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再來是生一胎生二胎生三胎的人都越來越少好我們再來看你的對策計畫呢我也看了審計部的檢討報告針對幾個面向比如說0到6歲國家養殖場兒童健康還有友善主要友善家庭的配套等等的這些跟各部門都有關係你有沒有發現一個最大的重點在哪裡 |
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我們看標題你如果依照審計部對你做的分析你八成的錢幾乎都放在0到6歲全面照顧但是我們0到6歲的人一直在萎縮我們一直在萎縮我們應該是育齡年齡育齡族群怎麼樣可以願意生是現在這個整個對策你115年應該還會再提新的吧 |
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我們之前也討論過我想未來的整個戰略思考是從生育養育教育第一個多生育第二個 |
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助 幫助的助 助養育第三個 幫教育重點在多生育我們要把多的力量集中在多生育這個領域今天我也會切四個面向跟您做一個分析還有討論第一個 我們來看這個族群的人他非常的願意生我們感謝他都來不及了但是他需要科學的幫忙那上次我問你的進度是這樣子 |
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所以至今呢你們說當時你們手上就已經備好兩個版本了那現在已經過了四個月了我是希望知道說什麼時候行政院才可以送到立法院這樣子的你們早就準備好的版本 |
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因為這個人工生殖法正如委員所提的我們是經過預告然後聽了很多的聲音以後其實部長你很簡單的給我大概一個月 兩個月 三個月 半年稍微給我一個數字就好大家關心這個議題的人是想要知道一個時程應該在下個會期前會下個會期以前 好 |
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邱前部長口中所說的下個會期以前就是我們目前的這個會期 |
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我想說的是其實這也是你們行政院端出來的政績我也感同身受因為像上次我有看張家俊委員質詢包括我自己本人我們就是願意生的我們只是需要一點科技的幫忙你們說從110年7月上路到現在滿4年成功的生下了3萬個寶寶所以他是真的實打實的增加了寶寶但是有一個族群用不到你有看到嗎 |
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現行的人工生殖法它的版本就是規定需要一夫一妻才可以用剛有講到說大家都很在意的脫鉤版本也是目前最有共識最沒有爭議最具社會溝通的版本本來說這個會期以前就會提出來這邊我希望請洪聖漢部長可以上來謝謝 |
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我們來看一下當然洪聖漢部長應該也都記得他的提案說明但是也請部長稍微告訴院長一下不同黨派的委員所提出來的版本到底有什麼共通點呢 |
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你還記得嗎就是你希望單女跟同志同婚跟單婚的女性那你還記得當時您覺得為什麼你要提出這樣子的版本嗎 |
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我幫你念 您說到說許多國家已開放單身女生採用人工受孕碼所以應納入單身女性這符合我們目前的國情還有同性別的兩人雖然可以締結婚姻卻無法依照人工生殖法進行生育補助現在問題來了 您請回座現在問題來囉 |
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大家都有共識的這個版本可是這群人會很急因為你已經講了你要擴大補助但是你擴大了補助他依照法規是用不到的那下一頁我請你看一下早上你有一再的對陳昭之委員講到社會溝通社會溝通 |
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這個不管是民團各黨派的委員行政院國發會衛福部還有這些民團等等的幾乎都已經有共識了所以我只想問你三件事情第一個邱前部長的話到底還算不算數第二個他現在是不是躺在行政院他躺在行政院哪裡第三個這個一改再改送進立法院的日期您今天可以給一個答案嗎不然我們幾乎每次總質詢都在問一樣的 |
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好的 這個針對同婚跟單身女性可以說人工生殖這個立場沒有改變第二個那個法案沒有躺在行政院我們還在積極的來尋求更大的共識那衛福部前部長所說的現在時務部長也極力的在推動我們也希望時程上能夠取得共識的時候就能夠推出來 |
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那水部長你要說嗎我剛已經給你看幾乎大家都有共識了是誰沒有共識跟委員報告我們之前這個有預告過那當然多數的意見沒有分歧的還是在這個代理運母啦 |
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那如果脫鉤的版本的部分呢我從一開始放的影片就是脫鉤脫鉤版本目前已經在行政院應該在年底之前就會完成審查好那現在11月就是兩個月內你們預計從行政院送來立法院是OK好謝謝那下一個議題我想要跟您探討的是到底我們115年要提的方向你應該怎麼去修正好這個圖我相信院長部長應該都已經看到 |
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是很熟悉了啦我們從2001年到2011年到2021年你會發現這個不生育的人越來越多或者是不結婚的然後晚生晚育或是幾乎就不生嘛所以我們應該要去push的就是你剛講的第一個重點就是育齡年齡的低生育率為何育齡族群我早上有稍微聽到一點點請問你覺得最重要的三點是什麼 |
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我覺得第一個要讓大家敢婚願意結婚因為結婚的生小孩的比例應該比沒有結婚的高但現在這個社會這個要有一種社會的氣氛跟共同認為說結婚生小孩那不是一個責任而已那是一個對人類來講是重要的一個延續那對我們來講政府要提供的是如果在多生育這個過程當中我們會加大各種補助的力道 |
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生出來的小孩我們協助他幫他能夠教養在這個教養上面教育跟養育我們都來協助我現在綜合了非常多的視調我找了一個最淺顯易懂的表格給您看你只要記得六個字 |
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就是薪資工時還有房價薪資工時房價這是我看了無數的調查還有無數的研究是生育族群沒有辦法跨向下一步的原因我們先姑且不論結不結婚因為你們等一下說12月要提出來的人工生殖法 |
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基本上你已經有一個婚姻脫鉤的這種概念在了你可能也覺得說我們沒有辦法永遠把婚姻跟生育綁在一起嘛結婚又沒有適合的年紀結婚有時候你可能在人生比較晚期遇到你願意結婚的人但是育齡的確是有他的年紀的限制嘛所以我請院長把這三個字放在心中薪資工時還有房價 |
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落成我們實際的政策我們現在就是育嬰的流停的彈性運用第二個我們推出婚育宅第三個對於生育的補助不到10萬的補到10萬這或許能夠稍微貼近委員所說的那至於說育嬰工時還有待遇是不是薪水 薪資啦那薪資我們在全國在網上調的速度是逐年在加快的 |
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我們這邊因為講到了工時 薪資等等我們就請洪山部長可以先上來一下嗎這個是省紀部給你們的意見我們來看省紀部看了你們的少子化八年他就提到說育齡的族群逾五成未婚不利提高生育率這邊我問了很多人 |
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他們就說怎麼行政院的回應會是積極舉辦單身聯誼活動我在這邊想請教 不好意思洪部長因為上次我們在委員會有幫你說生日快樂所以您也很受同仁的愛戴當時聽到同仁說您是現在部會的黃金單身漢我想問洪部長如果行政院辦了這個單身聯誼活動您會參加嗎 |
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我想這裡不討論我私人的問題那剛剛我講的因為你是勞動部部長我一直請院長把重心放在薪資房價還有工時請問這三點你會不會覺得是first priority要幫這個育齡族群解決的 |
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我想就我們在行政院其實在討論少數化的政策裡面的確都是在想怎麼樣給育齡的勞工有更多經濟上的支持那也包括怎麼讓這個職場更有彈性然後能夠去包容或兼顧照顧小孩或育兒的需求我想都是在這個方向上好 謝謝洪部長你可以請回座 謝謝 |
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那右邊他已經明確指出幾乎每一個調查房價跟薪資都是最重要的可是這邊行政院的回覆也是給予說他沒有明確的管考機構沒有明確的主責機構所以應該要怎麼改善這個我等等跟你討論如果沒有一個主責你說舉辦單身聯誼就是我們說的怨婚感生樂養我也曾經感慨過 |
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到行政院一年半了過去政府各級單位經常在辦那些大型的集團結婚我到行政院一年半了我從來沒有參加過中央跟地方所舉辦的大型集團結婚表示結婚這個事情在現在這個社會是嚴重被忽略的我們如果有一個力道讓大家能夠公開來響應這個事情再配合政府的政策能不能帶走我先跟你說現在所有的這些調查 |
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目前的年輕人認識人並不難認識人並不難但是我們要讓育齡的族群願意跨出下一步不管是結婚或是生育都好再來我就是要跟您討論一些很具體的建議剛有提到有一群人很想生但是他必須要靠科技我們要幫忙他第二個族群就是說育齡的年齡你如何要讓他願意從0到11到22到3 |
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這邊是我看了衛福部的政策我覺得可以依照我們目前的國情去做修改的我想請教一下衛福部部長您知道您的下轄有一個兒童及少年未來教育與發展帳戶嗎有是對中低收入戶的家庭的孩子在18歲以前的一個帳戶政府跟家長一起對存 |
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我跟院長簡單的說他其實就是針對中低收入戶的家庭一出生他就先幫你存一萬塊可是他會先問你要不要開戶並且你要去進行這個開戶的動作接下來你們就對存每個月500對存或是1000或是1250所以我算了一下如果你每個月都算到1250存滿18年這個孩子大概會有五四萬的第一桶金他可以幫助弱勢的孩子 |
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翻轉還有累積他的資本他不論去創業或是去讀書都好可是他從106年開辦至今七年多了你知道現在的開戶率是多少嗎大概是三萬三萬多戶因為我們的目標大概符合資格大概是五萬多那開戶的是三萬多 |
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就蠻慘的我們從一開始去做106年開戶率是30%然後到112年是60那我們再去分縣市比如說高雄他的開戶率大概只有五成而且這五成裡面有15%的人他最後沒有繼續存下去了 |
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這個政策利益非常的良好但是他沒有辦法走下去的原因我們也去調查了各地的社會局等等去訪查嘛第一 這個流程很繁瑣他必須在這個工作之餘主動去做這件事情然後低桶金進去嘛第二 他可能沒有足夠的誘因去續存好 那我就去看了世界各國其他的方法那在這邊就希望給院長一個建議 |
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新加坡還有英國都有做這樣子的兒童專門的儲蓄計畫以及照顧新加坡是這樣喔而且他這個月還有一個新的政策推出意思是說只要你不分你是哪一種的家庭你一生出一個小孩我就問你要不要幫你開戶所以他的開戶率是97% |
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OK 開完了以後他就先幫你存五千的新幣進去當這個寶寶的第一桶金不管你是要怎麼付如果你生第一胎最後兩個人對存可以增加四千新幣如果你覺得他幫助到你了你要生第二胎第二個寶寶兩個人對存可以存到多七千的新幣 |
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第三胎他們現在也是面臨非常嚴峻如何讓二變三第三胎他第一桶金直接從五千變一萬五千變一萬以外呢你只要跟他對存最多可以存到九千新幣這樣子你就直接把 |
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政府花錢給津貼給錢直接昇華到一個人口戰略的地位你也可以從社會救助的概念變成一個人口永續的概念那當然除了這個對存的概念以外他有限制他的用途所以0到12歲我只能用在醫療或者是教育以及他的疫苗配眼鏡等等的 |
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但是13到30歲新加坡就把它轉換到另外一個帳戶叫做中學後教育戶頭所以你有多的錢你就可以把它運用到職訓啊或者是一些檢驗費啊或是償還學貸或是你想創業都可以31歲以後呢他再把它轉到一個公積金普通戶頭這個院長可能就很熟了用在他之後退休或者是這些公屋租房房屋等等的 |
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所以政府出錢可以一起幫你養大一個小孩這就變成一個可吸飾 可累積而且永續的兒童帳戶接下來我想要告訴院長的是說為什麼我看了英國又看了新加坡我覺得新加坡這個方式非常的適用台灣是因為新加坡跟台灣的家長很像院長 我不知道你有沒有看到新聞雖然我們少子化可是你猜補習班是越來越多還越來越少應該是多吧 |
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對 答案是多就是由於新加坡的家長跟台灣的家長是很願意把這些資金花在教育上的他們希望可以藉此反轉階級等等所以第一個你限制他這個用在教育跟醫療是非常的有正當性的第二呢我們兩國的人民啊都喜歡做這種無風險的投資而且是高報酬 |
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所以當你已經確定是無風險了政府存一塊你存一塊政府就幫你存一塊這個單單靠撒錢或者是發津貼你就會創造出一個更大的資金值所以我們看一下圖它第一個它讓你方便政府直接幫你開碼第二個是全部都有不只是中低收入戶全民都有我覺得我們現在也已經到這個程度了 |
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我左下角有順便幫你分析假使你想要落實比如說我剛講的15%的家長他不願意繼續存他就可以1比2或是1比1.5用這樣子的誘因鼓勵他幫他的小孩累積低統計碼這是第一點 |
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那第二點新加坡他們是會做代鈔投資以免這些錢等到他18歲等到他12歲隨著通膨就蒸發掉了那這一點我是覺得院長你可以去跟財政部等等其他的部門做討論看這麼大的一個資金池是不是可以也讓政府還有家長做更大的運用那再來這個就是幫你想到的一個 |
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口號本來衛福部只是一個救助的精神然後我希望院長在這邊可以採納這個意見變成全民而且兒童未來的資產他可以大幅的降低育兒的焦慮並且去提升生育的意願現在 |
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你要讓0變1 1變2 2變3就是要讓它後面是完全沒有負擔的我知道目前的政策可能你已經在想我如何提高津貼我如何提高補助可是這是一個更加永續的概念我也幫你算了一下 |
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你不用擔心預算會失控一年最多最多如果1比1或是1比2花的是635億但你現在離開的嘛畢業的18歲的是20萬可是你進入這個你必須編預算的人可能現在是11萬或是明年的10萬你只要稍微增加一點點都不會影響到你的預算太多 |
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所以他是一個隨時間至少最近10年是減輕負擔的倒吃甘蔗的計畫並且風險完全可控的優質投資我想知道院長有沒有考慮把這個在三個月內提出可行性評估好謝謝委員 委員剛剛的這一段話我想我們有三個共同點第一個你會看到兒童未來儲蓄賬戶的2.0表示您知道了1.0的時候他有一些執行上的困難所以 |
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偏低的這個開戶率偏低我們也看到了包括他的對象等等所以我們共同的第二個我剛說的從多生育 |
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助教助養育到幫教育三個我們會把力道加在多生育這個部分所以我們從0到17歲會有一個階段性不同的那雖然我們在上學之後小學以後到高中大多有學費免學費的補助了而且大學以後他又有實地大學的補助但是我們認為在教育這個階段我們還是可以多下一些補助的政策給他們所以從 |
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最小的書生到基本的國民教育到未來大學我們都有相關的而且0到6歲這個托育的政策現在我們也極力在推所以三項我們在推了這是第二個我們共通點第三個這些儲蓄的帳戶不要讓他隨著物價而變成價值減少我們考慮說那我們現在有一個TISA |
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我們有一個TISA的制度也可以讓他去做代操所以我們有這個共通點我希望我們在未來推動的過程當中衛部也有機會向委員來多請教把外國的一些經歷跟我們來做一些對接也許我們可以在我們現在設想的現在的這個方式裡面能夠讓他比較更為精緻一點好 我們最後講了這麼多剛剛林林總總不管您提到育兒這個房屋等等的 |
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其實啊都橫跨了11個機關那這個已經無數的委員詢問過您了這個11個機關來整合是一個非常不容易的事情變成大家各自做各自的我給你看其他國家的做法像日本 |
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是直接對行政院院長韓國是拉高2024年6月他們就宣布他們面臨一個很嚴重的人口危機所以類似我們現在總統府附設的委員會他們是直接總統府當委員長下轄一個小子化跟高齡的委員會那新加坡也是一樣拉到部級的機關這個是您上次答覆我還有答覆其他委員你就說 |
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用人口政策來加強研究跟劉敬卿主委開過幾次會議我們現在沒有把它定義成一個固定的形式我們會持續加強來針對但 |
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開城佈公我就已經說了13萬保衛戰瞬間變成11萬目前可不可以請你回去跟總統報告我們有兩個建議第一個是不是在現行的三大任務型委員會再多設一個委員會由總統來直轄第二個國發會拉出來你直接再成立一個二級機關少子女化人口對策委員會來主責這樣子才可以跟上其他正在應付這個國家的國際潮流 |
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第一個我會向總統轉達委員的意見讓總統去做參考再來我們雖然現在是由政委來負責包括國發會也包括陳時中政委葉政委跟陳時中政委兩位我們都隨時在討論這個議題所以剛剛委員所說的我剛剛說過這個聲譽 |
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養育教育這三個階段的不同的力道的補助也都是在討論過程當中的表示說我是本人是參與這個討論的我也了解這個過程的等到要做重大決定的時候我除了聽部會跟政委的建議之後我當然會再做重大的決定這個模式如果我們這個政策決定了要如何推動了那麼需要一個什麼樣的機構或是怎麼樣一個 |
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更高層次的會那我們會隨這個程序那我可以跟您要一個月內的書面報告您未來是由您主責那大概這個頻率跟哪一些部會會開這些會呢 |
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你可以提出來嗎你應該是會固定開這些會議而且要有一個主責機關吧有一個主責機關你才有辦法去協調說這個部門提出來的東西到底有沒有效資源到底有沒有完整的去配置跟委員報告政務委員跟我本身的開會每個禮拜都在進行 |
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這是不同的議題那我們會把這個議題當它變成一個比較對 這個議題你需要規律的去監督還有monitor最後我是不太好意思用未還的版面來做這個可是因為我沒有抽到政黨總質詢這是我們高雄一個五甲國小的運動場他是專門針對專項的桌球去培訓桌球選手 |
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我個人去過一次跟教育部去兩次當時運動部還沒有成立教育部就說這個未來是運動部管後來運動部成立了以後又跟運動部去了第四次所有的小選手在那邊排排坐而且幫這個次長搭了一個講台 |
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所有的會刊會議記錄我們都有留影像等等的結果運動部次長講了一個讓小朋友真的寒心到極點他上台他就說今天是因為委員的面子我來這邊但是這個場館跟我一點關係都沒有但我來了我看一下我覺得好可以補助一下地板 |
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我給你看一下這個圖這個場館它專門訓練桌球選手也會國際比賽結果你補助的地板天花板在漏水地板不是一樣壞掉你補助的地板窗戶因為地震都已經歪斜了還是沒有辦法最後我們還不得不開一個協調會我回到前一張為什麼需要院長回去找運動部還有教育部去溝通 |
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像現在這樣子在學校裡面的運動專項運動項目的場館運動部最後回覆我的居然是用教育部在委員會答詢其他委員的意見當作他的回覆說明他的意思是說基層訓練站屬運動部但所使用場地如果共同教育屬性大由教育部主責這樣子對嗎 |
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原則上是在教學校教育單位裡面的運動設施還是由教育部來督促各級學校來進行維護的但是如果他有一個特殊的功能或是比賽要用的或是其他的因素運動部未來要予以協助補助並非不可能那所以市長講的可能比較簡略學校的設施由教育部的 |
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體育署來做補助這是目前的政策有需要的時候我認為運動部應該也會跟教育部來做溝通當他有特別的這個這個傑出的表現或是特別的競賽需求的時候他就會變成一個社區型的或是更高層級的那個就是由運動部來主導 |
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我相信不只高雄一定全國各地只要座落在教育環境的專項運動場館會面臨到一模一樣的問題但當初小朋友都聽得很清楚運動部會負責等到運動部成立以後運動部說是教育部會負責那你不可能拿一個委員會其他部門答詢其他委員的意見來回覆我所以我可以希望一個月內你可以 |
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請他們討論吧我會請運動部跟好 謝謝陳金威委員質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長備詢 謝謝歡迎會議場二樓旁邊又來了一群好朋友南投縣國信鄉 鼎泰豐老闆媽媽的故鄉好 歡迎 掌聲歡迎 |
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在接下來我們請謝龍介委員質詢黃建斌委員請準備主席我請議長 |
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要不然再請卓院長備詢謝委員好請問辛苦應該這個小竹筏是你站著要動嗎小竹筏的問題是國安的問題 |
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今年九十月底我們出席的金額大概九萬八百三十九個可以說是檢目高者照你說今年九十二月底判斷薛成泰老師說的大概就是一萬一千一百多十一萬一千一百多 |
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請恐怖 我想問在你的財政修織委訓法裡面有加國管制生育率的計標 立立財政補助分配計標嗎 |
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目前的願本是沒有但是我們有把14歲以下的小孩指數有增加我告訴你他回去宿舍啦我告訴你這個問題是14歲以下是有加權的很正面的要怎麼管理高齡的年輕人加戀愛 加結婚 加生小孩再娶這實在是我們共同的問題很嚴重的問題好不好是 謝謝 |
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現在平時10月8點多10月8點多 還在燒你懂嗎 還在燒現在 今天 還在燒今天喔 在八天啊不然那天 四天前我問你你有沒有靠電話給台南市的防暴局長是不是要即時給他打電話 |
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已經是眼睛金金人最重了這樣就好 北京的空氣汙染 因為你不知道台南每天都紅色啊 因為你們很厲害啊每天都沒布啊 如果沒說去現場打布就對了不知道怎麼說 壓垮的時候了不對嗎 有比較強勢的作為嗎 |
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報告委員 我昨天晚上也特別打給環保局局長你有夠卡就對了 有然後基本上因為第一個他量真的很大委員那個整個加起來30萬噸沒關係啦 我講過了這不是台南的問題嘛這國管是都會遇到嘛現在花蓮也噸一堆在那 台北噸的為什麼很多煙霾中都要停的時候就都放火燒 |
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到底是自己燒的 還是飯費燒的 沒人知道燒燒的料好 再拿出來 還可以延賣三年做壞的習慣啦 做壞的習慣不應該啦你知不知道 整個鄉親這個空氣汙染你身為環境薄薄的我對你的了解是 你最重視這個啊是為什麼 |
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你這樣 四粒你蓋兩般的電話給他為什麼說不聽包委員 那量實在太大那下面呢 還是有些燜燒 溫度還是高來 前四粒沒泡好 到我給你這幾天你說直接要求他 馬上來泡給我他會撥到出洞出洞 去泡 |
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要請求 託費過多 啊如果過太久 請求不太好又來又去 又來又去那群人都要一桌在現場 太平 太平是在太平上太平說 不能夠賭出來 賭出來順便發貨內地都要繼續保守的不知說你特別 因為你是特別花三億 四億 五億 要給台南市去處理這裡 |
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現在這三十幾五個都省起來了 我跟你說省起來了你不信?不會啦 這個其實在程序進行當中啦我們想到大陸不用搶啦嘛沒有 他燒完還是有廢棄物 一定要去清理廢棄物就存恢復而已嘛不會啦 你敢說裡面有石棉花我幫你剝剩的有你給我割 我來歡迎調整人出來我告訴你啦 你去看的時候是不是在分類啊有分類嘛 恢復 |
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隨便說 建築廢棄物放太陽後我們在那處理那三年就對了 完全沒辦法因為我們都很清澈嘛 因為那時候超級的緊急嘛搖到車 搖到車來 搖到一台一台一直去你如果說後面那幾片 那個水泥土 有 那有分類喔 太空包 飼料堤啊 那有分類討錢就是沒有啦 |
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所以這燒起來怎麼會帶有新的草味因為前陣子我跟你們說塑膠、填膜什麼的都在那裡嘛如果不行就燒下去發生的時候樹藏民土的太多就很重要了嘛是不是 |
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不然是不是這樣?是 所以 報告委員第一個是石棉瓦我們有清查過那個地方是沒有的台南的石棉瓦是在包圍中心 |
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所以內地有順利的土嘛有塑膠嘛有廢棄物嘛最好是把這堆 把所有的手脈來放在這堆堆嘛這樣聽到沒有既然就燒啊 燒就燒我們也都有共識啊快爆發 你三個五個你這條錢也是要給台南市把村子繼續移植 去分化路嘛是不是這樣 |
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有什麼做不到是地方不聽你的命令沒有 委員 這個很大第二個是它的水線進去也有點困難那另外一個它十幾公尺那麼的對面那麼高我跟妳說 有一點困難 它如果像地上就有七座七座在那裡 今天打不完我們拿下去不是這樣我跟妳說 第一 |
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水水都沒問題啦我給你保證水水沒動機時就不可以有水灶在那裡爬我現在來講 不管是你跟台南市環保局有落差還是沒有 不管今天你給我一個答案你對這個事情的看法跟態度 也一定要跟你講一下 |
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連燒這麼多天那絕對是一個非常嚴重的污染問題我想當地的消防單位我們必須重新要他們檢驗也提出報告我剛剛跟部長講我請彭部長到現場去了解有沒有委員所說的有不應該在現場的若是有再要用什麼樣的防治來讓他的傷害能夠降低明天我希望我這個部長就到現場去看待會我們再回來 |
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這樣比較好 明天一定去我比較暗的 沒有 你去看沒有你暗時才有看得到來 把那張你寫的樣片你寫你現在去看啦你寫你去看啦 看得到煙而已啦你不會覺得有在笑啦 因為你頭大嘛沒關係啦 這件事情我是建議你暗時去看你寫暗版的回去就好了 明天才有 |
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來台南我請你吃點心來來我現在就要問你廚藝,你剛好把你挑出來這個噴的事情,一定要有魄力我們要用滴去幫忙,因為吃噴的滴沒有很多 |
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臺灣不要說一定要用日本的技術,我們臺灣的工研院,我們本身就有能力把這個噴、毒液、粉類料,加工、乾燥、添加蛋白質,然後變做治療。 |
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來乎市地的農民贏啦技術絕對沒問題你們的農業補充 我說那天你也在啊 他說啊沒有啊 日本要收款 我們現在水價引進來喔我們技術沒有比日本更差啦尤其這是環保局跟環境部這是一算可以去處理的這個噴的東西因為家庭的噴吃了的菜地 處理很困擾你知道嗎 |
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在國外也有使用的例子但是國內啊在我們這個 |
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這個消費跟行為上比較過去難以接受那現在我們認為 家務廚餘 家務廚餘要做助理要解決噴的問題 這條我給你參考而已啦來 那個 補充台灣喔 在歐盟裡面就對了啦貸款的交易 過去全政府被當空檔了我們這次起來 有沒有問題 |
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高雄的脫穿高要收兩年五個月來坦白講有做的事你跟我說很漏氣但是你們已經起來擔保了要接了尤其世界的交流尤其台灣的ETS你現在說二孔三孔而已嘛以前跟我們說二孔二孔對不對 |
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不要這樣 這是民營三夾雞啊大陸你知不知道 二長大陸現在是歷天比135天中的營養啊 部長你知不知道本來就是這樣啊有40% 我們沒有啊大陸是 這樣後面還可以跟你認定喔你比較有辦法檢水喔 如果再加上大陸的ETS |
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所以他們變成西邊來的這條水他怕不怕 我們沒辦法我們到今天還沒辦法啊所以你要趕緊 趕緊 趕快啊不然的話我是對你很有信心 因為你願意提出問題咧我們才有辦法去面對問題咧所以本身是用很正面的看待你但是這個拓寬的東西他就說你若沒有贊助啦 若沒有加油啦可以個人就放在那裡 |
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請補充說一下 他在推銷這個的時候我要怎麼說包委員 我們是探權 這個探定價 探費先行沒你 我留在台灣的 試行的ETS到2027會開始我們這個系統你若不建立起來 我跟你說你搞世界 寸步難行包委員 這個你不用擔心 我比大家都緊張我比你都擔心 我就是擔心啦 |
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我現在正在處理你也很擔心不用擔心 因為只有200多家需要做這些事情而已報告委員 他當初認為有阻力 有壓力他說他要戴安全帽 戴鋼盔我說你如果要戴鋼盔 買兩頂我一頂 你一頂 我們一頂戴鋼盔往前衝他鋼盔戴到換你戴啦一起戴的啦他戴到換你啦 你知道嗎 |
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我最好這兩分鐘要請教你很優秀 保證你知道啊這個我們的下班同樣做得來不是去看 你知道多嚴重 |
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因為岸是要開廚餘的火啦開廚輪的火喔廚餘啦廚餘啦我聽說你廚輪裡面要開火的沒有啦都開到很暗很暗 問阿阿不要去看 問阿阿我一定會去看啦我幫你抱這個問阿阿不要再燒喔這還要幾天啦 我們會努力啦還要幾天 我馬上去安排趕快去了解現場的情況院長我交給一個很機密的消息啦 |
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貴董當然這是有關貴董 貴董是執政黨嘛所以貴董的事情也是對於國家的事情貴董現在國管局在提名這個期待消息我在這裡很慎重的向你請教每年你會參選台北市的市長嗎國家委員會說這邊每年我會去選台北市的市長去投票你的行為好選人嗎 |
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我會做投票的人啊我選台南市長 我也會去投票啊就你投給你自己啊當然啊我不會投給我自己啊你不會投給你自己我不會投給我自己你做好選人 又不會投給你自己你這樣就真的投給有夠好啊這如果不是輸給有賺賣 就是贏給有賺賣嘛都不是 |
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絕對不是 因為每一個政黨在提名議的人都有他專門的考慮所以有要選過台北市長的人 我看起來喔對鄧水平總統啦 對馬英九總統啦 到張萬安啦 到那個郭文貴主席啦 大家要選進行齁 都說七八十拜都說不是今天 委員最勇敢所以你今天只說第一拜說你不是嘛我會去投票啊 |
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所以你絕對不會選擇為台北市市長的候選人不會啊如果羅總統選擇你參選我會跟他說不好他如果是說堅持你要選他可以撐住北北之頭民進黨的基本盤總統是一個真的會聽人建議要參選決定的人你很了解 我也很了解我心目中感覺選擇他最好一定會選擇你來參選 |
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謝謝謝榮介委員的質詢謝謝主委院長 相關部會所長的質詢 謝謝 |
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我們接下來委員質詢之後將會休息十分鐘十分鐘之後再請賴世保委員再請林益君委員質詢我們接下來請黃建斌委員請質詢 |
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謝謝院長 我們有請我們左院長和環境部彭部長麻煩再請左院長備詢黃維豪那個彭部長也是勞動部長還是環境部長備詢 |
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部長 剛剛經過閩南隅市的質詢我想兩位都記得有關電業者要在台東設立陸域發電的案子在美麗的海岸線要插滿大型的風機引發地方強烈的反彈 |
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那本席跟台東縣政府還有地方自救會也不斷地跟我們中央來表達台東人的心聲就是我們堅決反對風電破壞台東海岸線跟居民的生活環境那本席也多次的這個質詢跟舉行會議要求我們中央必須要表態 |
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就是阻止風電的開發那後來也獲得我們經濟部跟環境部的承諾彭部長你本人也親口說嘛就是不鼓勵也不支持台東的這個陸域風電的開發案那今年九月的時候本期跟吳宗憲委員在共同這個要求下也督促我們經濟部跟環境部把反對風電的這個意見告知風電業者台亞風冷那這件事情也被報紙以頭版頭條報導引發我們國人共同的關注 |
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不過很遺憾的是我們環境部的官員在接受媒體訪問的時候他又說這是因立委要求 喊轉並非環境部的立場這個讓台東很多鄉親都很納悶說現在環境部不然再叫下去是有需要什麼安排嗎所以是不是請部長來正面來回應關於這件事情我們環境部的態度究竟是怎麼樣 部長 |
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報告委員 這個風電特別是陸域風機它如果距離民眾生活很近的確會造成很大的影響甚至警官的危害所以我的立場一樣不鼓勵不支持但是這個案子因為我們國家是一個多元民主的社會業者想要開發他有他的權利可是我們有審查的一個權利所以委員的建議我們就照委員的這個建議發函給這個業者讓他們來知道 |
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謝謝部長你算很正面的回應態度表達很明確我想邀請環境部務必要堅定立場堅決反對這個封店的開發案破壞我們台東美麗的環境那就是剛剛提到部長提到這個法規的部分這個部分也是要跟部長來請教就是說依照我們現行的法規我們業者他完成相關的程序之後他就可以來送環品的審查對吧那我們環境部也必須依法受理 |
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那民眾如果真的再次有抗議他只能去環評會議陳述意見表達他的不同的意見嘛但是問題就是說如果台東的這個風電開發案地方已經明確的表達反對那風電業者還是持續的送案這個會造成什麼問題就是民眾一直在抗議一直在抗議一直在抗議他也不但他而且他會造成 |
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我們民眾對政府的信任因為他在講說就不愛了為什麼你還要信他所以本席認為說環境部是不是要檢討現行的法規的制度如果開發單位他舉行的公聽會議或是我們地方政府跟民意已經明確的共識就是反對開發案的時候中央組織機關是不是適時來介入阻止業者一再的送案闖關 |
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第一個我們可以避免民眾疲於奔命第二個我們不需要透過抗議的方式來表達那也讓開發商你可以真正的坐下來跟在地的民眾來溝通嘛我想 而不是說用私下說服的方式或是不斷地說服的方式企圖來闖關所以這件事月長可以來承諾一下請環境部在一個月以內完成相關法案的檢討讓民眾不要再擔心缺乏共識的這個開發案會不斷地威脅著家園企業 |
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其實這個部分經濟部他如果要送這個開發到我們這邊來的時候他一定要目的實業機關當地主管機關特別是縣市政府的同意才可以所以當地縣市政府如果真的表態不同意他當然就沒有辦法送過來所以目前我們有要求經濟部在未來在送的時候一定要考量地區的一個民意才能夠送過來 |
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謝謝副長今天正面的回應其實很多鄉親都很擔心他這裡反而說我每次看到這個新聞都不開心他會擔心不過也趁這個機會也請委員就是台東或是各地方有這個一律的鄉親因為我們環境部的環評是有一定的規範的也不用來事實上我們也透過線上或各方面我們會都要求這個開發單位一定要確實的回答所以請委員不要讓我們鄉親跑那麼遠的地方直接遠端的或是打電話進來都可以沒有問題的 |
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謝謝部長非常正面回應那接下來我再跟部長跟院長來討論就是關於台東另外一個環境的問題就是風飛沙的議題那有一種藍叫做台東藍它是由蔚藍的天空湛藍的海岸線所組成這是專屬於我們台東的一個色彩但現在冬季的這個風飛沙卻讓台東變成灰濛濛的一片我們看在上面像拍電影一樣沙塵暴的感覺 |
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那院長我們本期之前在質詢經濟部長的時候有提到台東風飛沙的這個改善經費的問題那也謝謝院長當時交辦經濟部盡快完成這個改善的工程但是剛好質詢不久之後鳳凰颱風又來了又造成另外一個風飛沙更加嚴重那根據目前環境部提供給台東縣政府這個陽城房子的經費一年大概只有625萬經費非常的有限完全不夠 |
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那過去颱風大概集中在8月 9月 10月那所以義式風飛沙的工程通常它的這個水覆蓋工程通常是在10月底來執行那但是因為受到這個極端氣候影響11月份的颱風越來越頻繁的發生導致我們這個改善的工程 |
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他做到一半就可能會被因為風災的關係摧毀掉那經費也不斷的追加因此在這邊我要請卓院長也責成我們環境部必須檢討目前我們補助台東風飛沙這個改善經費如果地方真的有這個需求必須全力來支援我們讓我們一起守護我們台東美麗的美景那這個也更守護我們台東鄉親的健康請院長回應 |
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這個請部長好 謝謝委員這個部分因為我們過去在濁水溪的陽城很有成效濁水溪過去都是有時候吃飯要配沙子的那現在已經沒有這個現象那這個因為今年的幾次特別是這兩年東部有很多極端的天災造成這個沙子新的掩蓋的現象甚至未來花蓮光復也可能有這樣的情況 |
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所以委員的這個交代我們會請我們大氣師來去重新一個規劃因為這個需要一點長期作戰會一兩年的時間我們會來規劃會來全力的支援台東的鄉親好 謝謝部長的回應那先請部長先學習我現在要請教這個衛福部的石崇良部長衛福部長好 黃議員好 |
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副長好久不見上次我們見面的時候是在大樓鄉鄉長的時候我們那時候在為24小時醫療緊急醫療的政策在推動雖然我們現在都在各自不同的領域身份也改變不過我相信我們目標都不變就是為我們台東的醫療來做盡一份的心力 |
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那部長剛才很熟悉台東南回有一個超人醫師徐超兵他一生就是致力於改善我們偏鄉的這個醫療也發願要蓋這個南回醫院那很遺憾他在今年九月份的時候因病離世那台東鄉親非常的不捨 |
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那部長您在徐醫師離開的時候曾經說過說政府會繼續努力提升我們偏鄉的醫療不會讓徐醫師失望那更提到說要增進南回醫療的可敬性那距離部長說這一句話的時間已經過兩個多月本席想要請教那衛福部對南醫院的態度是什麼 |
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那提升南回醫療的具體作為又是什麼是請部長回應好 跟委員說明在南回段這一段我們當時候大家共同推動的就是讓這個原本的大午香衛生所能夠移植然後把它擴大 |
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同時跟24小時的緊急醫療中心去結合然後再導入醫學中心的服務現在有高一的團隊進駐同時也有馬街 其他來協助同時也導入數位化的醫療有遠距的協助智慧照顧都導入了現在也有復健的服務進駐到這個地方所以就是把當地民眾依照民眾的需要我們持續的去挹注 |
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當然這個地區接下來現在要努力去推動的大概就是居家醫療的部分因為這個距離比較遙遠的關係如果能夠在地得到照顧在家得到服務是最好所以我們也有在規劃 |
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這個跟基金會這個徐超斌的這個南迴基金會也在討論那麼一個方案那麼特別把這個居家還有居家透析居家醫療的服務看看未來能不能做一個示範的案子部長很清楚整個南迴地區醫療中也很了解偏鄉醫療的情況其實部長剛有提到就居家醫療 |
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畢長本席出生在大武鄉的天鄉所以非常清楚就是除了醫院以外更重要就是要有醫護人員人要有重點根據統計台東縣每平方公里的醫師人數是0.1個人就是全台灣最多台灣最低的那大部分的醫師又集中在台東市區這個也就是為什麼南回會不斷的要推動在在醫療這件事情就是讓醫生可以主動到病患的所在地來看診減少這個距離 |
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那降低病患的這個就醫的成本跟負擔那我想這個就是提高就醫可進行的這個具體方式那在實務上推動偏鄉醫療在在宅醫療部分還要面對很多的問題本席在這邊提出四點的建議希望衛福部來研議第一個就是說我們擴大在宅醫療的給付誘因帶動更多醫療運作與醫護人員投入偏鄉這個醫療 |
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那第一個就是我們補助偏鄉的醫材然後降低我們基層診所還有醫護人員的負擔第三個是擴大在宅醫療受案的範圍我們照顧更多慢性疾病還有感染症的這些患者那第一個就是我們的借鉴我們系統資料平台降低我們第一線的醫護人員的這個行政負擔 |
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那針對以上的四點我想請部長回應是不是可以來研議來推動並且在兩週內提供委員報告到北溪辦公室好 跟委員報告這四點都已經納入我們明年的工作項目裡面包含這個在宅醫療的受案範圍的擴大這個已經明年應該就會上路的那另外那個資訊平台我們明年有個在宅醫療資訊平台的科技計畫也就是希望把這個資料借接讓這個 |
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長照的資料跟醫療的資料也能夠merge在一起這個都在做那另外幾戶的誘因我們也會檢討所以這個方向上完全跟委員的建議是一致的那現在馬洪部長在兩週內將這份報告也收到我們本期辦公室那接下來我們就是要幫我們台東的醫療醫護人員來請命就是說對平常來講怎麼樣把人留住是很關鍵的問題 |
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留住我們的醫護人員就是守護偏鄉醫療最重要的關鍵根據統計我們疫情後我國的這個醫護人員空缺率由5%上升到7%那離職率從10%升到12%我們台東縣的饒縣長先前宣布說台東市衛生所的醫護人員要升等加薪我們就是希望說能夠由政府帶頭提高醫護人員留在偏鄉服務的意願 |
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那在中央部分我們目前健保署有宣布要調高這個內外負額急重症的這個給付這個是針對我們手術複雜度還有嚴重度比較高的這個急難重症的項目對不對要給我們比較高的這個點子 |
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可是對於偏鄉的醫護人員來說這個幫助很有限為什麼因為我們偏鄉醫療院所接觸到多數的病患跟西部啊市區大型的醫院是不同的所以我們政府不能只考慮到說醫療措施這個難易度來提高他的健保點子你應該針對這些偏遠地區提供更多的資源來提升這些醫護人員的待遇我想這樣才會再留下他們的誘因 |
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那本席在這邊也提出三點具體的要求第一個我們提升偏遠醫護的這個佳績我們透過公務預算健保津貼提高偏遠公立醫院所醫事人員的薪資改善我們的宿舍環境降低留定率第二個就是我們擴大偏鄉公立醫院的這個人員編制由政府帶頭我們提升公立醫院所需要這個護理人員的數量尤其是我們台東這個部東醫院我們減輕我們第一線人員這個負擔 |
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第三個我們衛福部應該要增加我們東部醫護座談跟研討會並且開放線上會議因為有不少醫護都反應說衛福部舉辦的這些研討會座談會常常沒有東部的場次那不然就是沒有辦法參與線上的會議影響到我們這些醫護人員發表意見跟參與的權益這部分也請我們衛福部這邊來檢討那以上請部長回應並在一樣在兩週內提供一份報告到本席辦公室 |
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跟委員說明一下我們這個健保總額分六區那麼花東是一區花東區的這個點子都超過1.1塊錢所以我們都有保障他的雖然他人口在減少但是我們都保障住我們有一個風險移撥款 |
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來讓它不會因為人口相對於其他的區下降的關係而讓它的總額縮小所以它目前的前三季的點子都是超過1.1塊錢的然後我們在偏鄉的部分我們還有額外的專款去挹注有所謂的燈塔型醫院的保障在東部有很多都是在這類型的另外怎麼樣讓家籍我們剛剛說了很多的家層 |
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到醫護人員的身上是現在我們在調整支付標準的時候都要求像IDS進去的時候我們都要求一定的比例是要給醫護人員的至於說剛剛提到的公立醫院的編制也好或者是未來在一些會議上來開放線上讓他們參與我們回去會盡量都朝這個方向以後讓因為有些教育學分什麼 |
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他們要累積這個教育學分一趟路要到台北來我們盡量一些至少是我們部所委託的都讓他開放這個線上可以來參與減少他們這個交通上的方便謝謝部長我想部長非常了解台東的情況那我們一起來努力好 謝謝黃建斌委員質詢也謝謝卓院長還有衛福部長的備詢 謝謝 |
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我們現在休息十分鐘休息之後請林益君委員準備執行現在休息 |
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好,抱怨会我们继续开会,接下来我们请林义军委员咨询,赖思宝委员请准备。 |
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謝謝主席有請院長和有請衛福部部長麻煩再請卓院長衛福部長備詢林委員好 |
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院長和部長上週本席在災後重建的特別預算的諮詢就有請教過部長這次花蓮的光復鄉的災情其實讓本席發現民眾用藥有關的藥品物資的管理還有交付的問題就在災害發生的第一時間當下因為對外的交通已經中斷了還有整個光復鄉的藥局也都被泥沙淹沒然後導致災後的初期都沒有都無藥可用 |
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但是也就是說災民在災後的第一個時間就是連最基本的用藥都無法取得因為那時候部長解釋的內容似乎也未能理解本席的意思所以我覺得我那時候也沒有辦法認同部長的說明所以今天我想再跟部長 |
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救教一下就是相信你們已經都知道黃金72小時就是災害發生的時候那72小時是傷者生還率最高的救援時間相同的這個情況也會出現在民眾的救命的藥品也是一樣就是在災害發生第一時間可能一到三天內那時候就是很多人因為趕緊想要逃難可是那時候忘了平常吃的用藥可能有緊急情況下也需要用藥就在這個黃金時間 |
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災區完全沒有一個醫生在這個災區然後當下醫藥專業的就只有藥師先進入整個災區再加上各界踴躍的捐贈的藥品結果現場沒有醫生導致藥師根本沒有在黃金的時間可以以救命的藥發給災民 |
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救命這樣或幾級上面的治療所以那時候都是看著這樣大量的藥品在眼前但是看得到但是無法救災民的病也沒有救他的命所以我覺得受限很多規定所以我們都沒有辦法運用到時候後面就是藥品都堆積如山這樣然後之後可能也被迫整個都 |
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把它報廢掉還有藥物根本那時候真的都是大量的浪費那部長我知道你知道因為身為醫療人員沒有在黃金時間協助災民救命的那種心痛和不捨的心情我想你應該感同身受因為你是專科的急診醫師所以我想你應該是非常的了解的然後現行的對藥品的規定其實根本就是完全不適合用在災區 |
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所以現在我看除了藥事法藥物藥品證品管理方法還有藥品醫材的儲備動員管制辦法之外還要先向地方的衛生主管申請核備然後才能贈送交付藥品給災民根本沒有針對災難那時候發生的黃金時間去做一個好的處置所以我在想說 |
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也就是說現行的藥品的管理體系整個相關的法規整個的設計可能沒有充分的納入災害發生的醫療空窗期還有災區特別環境的緊急應變作業指引讓藥品可以在指引下送到災民的手中然後給予緊急用藥的救命 |
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所以衛福部是不是針對這次重大的災害的整個情境下有沒有想說要通盤的整個檢討藥品管理的制度呢例如針對專屬的災區的藥品交付的整個的彈性的規範制定明確的還有可行的災害藥品的捐助指引就是說哪些藥品是可以捐啊還是說還有需要哪些藥品啊這樣才不會造成災區現場處理負擔 |
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也不會造成藥物的整個的浪費還有另外一點比較重要的就是說評估當時的整個的緊急狀況就災害發生第一時間當下完全沒有醫生也沒有醫生 |
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進駐之前是否授權給專業的藥師藥師可以用他的專業在那邊幫助災民也順便也可以分擔一些醫療的量人然後藥師可以在明確的規範下那風險比較低的比較安全無虞的部分的處方藥讓藥師可以依其專業然後提供災民緊急用藥給予用藥救命所以衛福部是不是應該針對這種災區特別的情境要制定一些相同的規範呢 |
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跟委員說明 當然在災難的時候有時候因為緊急避難的關係來不及攜帶常備的用藥後面有一些用藥的需求所以剛剛委員所設定的情境是有藥有藥師 但是沒意思 |
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所以在這個情形之下我們就分兩個狀況一般如果是止痛症熱的這些藥物那屬於多數都有OTC所以這個指示用藥由藥師就可以交付這個大概是沒有問題那問題是在於處方藥就需要有一支處方的那處方藥通常它有責任的歸屬的問題一方面 |
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這個病人吃什麼藥他可能自己都不知道所以還需要透過診斷之後才能夠給處方所以我們現在在災難的時候一般我們都是馬上就開放遠距醫療可以透過遠距的方式由遠端的醫師診治一下病人之後那麼下處方那由藥師來交付我覺得這個方法就會 |
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改善我們那個醫師還沒有到所以我剛才也講了第一時間因為這次是真的面臨到這個問題我今天會提出來這個問題就是那時候當時所遇到所以我剛才聽部長這樣講所以這一次花蓮我們就立刻開放遠距醫療但是你那個是之後了 |
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因為我們當初藥師進駐的時候其實醫生沒有所以我剛才講幾個情況以後我們可以讓這個遠距醫療變成一個常規我們現在要釐清幾個情況剛才部長的意思是說如果那時候藥師在的時候如果是有OTC的那些藥的時候你要捐贈的藥的時候藥師是可以交付的對不對OTC的藥是沒有問題的 |
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因為也遇到了那時候很多志工還是有一些就是那時候有一些災民然後他們可能就是痠痛還是有外傷但是因為有一些痠痛的貼布是處方藥但是它是非常安全的它是安全無虞的但是因為那個時候只有大家的捐贈捐贈來的就是那個就是貼布就是一般的處方藥而且是非常安全的請問一下這樣藥師可以交付給災民嗎 |
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如果它還是處方藥您也是專業的藥師所以如果從您的角度來看認為它是相當安全的不妨透過機制改類在我們的FDA食藥署裡面也有一個委員會在討論哪一些藥物具有安全性相當高又有民眾的可敬性的考慮它可以改類從處方藥改成OTC就是指示用藥所以我想 |
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這個就是部長剛剛說的處方藥變成指示用藥這樣可以擴大藥師的服務而且在災區的時候在第一時間的時候藥師也可以用專業去服務還有去救這些人我們有這樣的程序來討論經過委員會討論改類 |
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但是實際上其實太多安全無虞的處方藥現在都沒有轉成只是用藥這就是最大的問題我們可以持續討論因為很難臨時去判斷說這個可以改這個應該從平常就討論好了 |
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那部長你是不是要規範做一個表就是某些藥物你覺得是安全無虞的但是這些處方藥是可以在那個時候第一時間的時候黃金時間72小時內可以藥師可以使用的我想可以有藥師團體或者是醫師團體來提出建議這樣 |
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因為已經遇到了因為這個跟02、06、04、03不一樣你知道嗎這一次的這樣的水災是不一樣的以前02、06還有04、03我都有遇過那時候也是馬上成立一個緊急的醫療團但是那時候市區都是還是有診所還是都是還是有藥局的但是這一次光復不一樣它是整個鄉幾乎那邊整個都沖掉了連藥局也沒有連診所也都沒有了 |
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所以我想我們既然遇到這個問題我們真的是要來檢討還有看有什麼不足的我們就是應該要把它檢討然後把它加入以免以後當然我們大家不要想說以後會有但是就是說我們至少可以補充這些不足這樣可以嗎未來我們會讓在第一時間就開放遠距醫療馬上就可以使用到遠距的方式那我們醫師就可以從遠距來協助藥師 |
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那大家捐贈的藥品怎麼辦呢像這一次捐贈的藥品也是沒有處理這個還是有一個問題因為他的安全性這個責任的問題像這一次我們也不建議什麼志工就帶了藥去發 |
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事後會有一個安全性的考量責任的歸屬所以我還是覺得還是要回歸到那並不是沒有藥有藥還是按照常規的使用方式不要隨便去捐贈捐贈的時候你不了解這個來源有時候為什麼要有衛生局的把關機制就是要 |
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我知道 但是那時候真的是沒有藥我跟你講說這個情況是跟02、06、04、03是完全不一樣那沒關係 反正衛福部我想說還是依照這個可能還是要檢討討論一下好不好我們持續討論今天還剩五分鐘而已我還有很多問題要問的 |
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好 接下來我要詢問有關女性的生育自主權的問題就是緊急事後避孕藥的問題上會期我已經請教過衛福部長邱太元部長了但是他這個就是剛才安全無虞的藥為什麼處方藥要變成止失用藥但是部長換人了 |
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到現在衛福部到現在都一直沒有給我一個正面的回應所以部長你是醫生你也知道服用緊急避孕藥是越快越好的12小時內服用是最好的所以美國婦產科學會都已經公開指出避孕藥是非常非常安全的藥品這根據歐洲緊急避孕的國際聯盟在10月1號的時候最新統計 |
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目前已經有90個國家都已經把緊急事後病藥列為非處方藥這就回歸剛才再去這個問題就是說這個已經那麼安全了對不對為什麼還在用這個當作醫生的處方藥呢那你這樣藥是根本沒有辦法使用啊 |
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所以為了確保婦女對緊急事後避孕藥的可靜性和自主性其實國際緊急避孕的聯盟他們都是有建議說這個根本不需要醫師診療就可以自主服用所以台灣早在93年的時候婦女團體跟醫生也有召開過記者會那時候緊急事後避孕藥列為只是用藥了所以現在很多女權團體還有進行網路上面的問卷調查 |
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幾乎有七成以上的人都支持緊急事後病藥轉類為止腎用藥我覺得好奇怪那麼多國家都可以了對不對那衛福部是不是要跟國際接軌呢還是我們要背道而馳呢對不對部長那你覺得呢我們是要跟國際接軌嗎還是人家90個國家都這樣做了我們現在一直擋在這邊那麼多年我從去年講到現在了對不對 |
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我也覺得好奇怪我們口口聲聲不是說健康台灣我們要跟國際接軌嗎我們要看到人家好的優點我們要學習嗎這樣為什麼我們這些國家都這樣做了那為什麼我們還是背道而馳呢而且我們這樣大家給的意見你們都視而不見了那請部長回答 |
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我想這個所謂的事後緊急病醫藥就是一次性的高劑量荷爾蒙用藥那以目前在台灣的話它還是屬於醫師的處方藥沒有錯那剛剛您提到說讓這個用藥轉類成所謂的只是用藥那麼直接在藥局購買不需要醫師處方來作為緊急這個 |
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這個意外使用我說九十幾個國家全世界先進國家都已經這樣了我也了解啦我也了解這個日本過去是先有一個事辦他在某一個區域地區性的藥局去事辦事辦之後到了最近他到了最近才真正轉類所以他也有一定的過程他也不是一下子就全部的開放所以我們來研議看看 |
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但是部長你知道我們104年的時候已經開過專家會議了決議那時候也決議轉類了在105年的時候也發布了這個已經變成只是藥品了那時候已經都說跟隨著美國的制度但是這個政策到現在還是停滯不前啊所以我覺得你剛才講了只是藥品有一個成藥之一小組嘛對不對 |
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那個也開過會過啦說已經確定啦要轉成只是用藥啦但是現在是說醫生團體專家評估暫無共識只是一個醫生團體講了這句話到現在都沒有做我也覺得好奇怪而且這樣 |
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你看已經過了10年了那我在想這個東西是因為開放這個轉成只是用藥會影響某個特定團體嗎的利益嗎還是不願意開放呢還是部長你有沒有受到什麼特別人士給你的壓力呢我想這個還是基於病人的安全用藥的安全的考量當然啦92國家都不基於病人的安全嘛那92國家開放 |
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那些人都不安全了嗎那麼盡快的再去討論出一個共識我覺得這個要加快腳步啦那我請教卓院長卓院長我們政府不是都要推動和營造友善生育環境嗎是不是所以女性除了要安心生育外是不是女性自主可以自由選擇何時懷孕的友善政策應該也是一個負責任政府要為人民著想的嗎所以現在衛福部這樣跟民意背道而馳 |
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那樣的話限制女性自己選擇是否自生育的自主權利你覺得那個院長你覺得這樣合理嗎 |
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這個當然尊重女性的自主權利但我也要相信專業的醫師建議所以還是讓專業的專業醫師現在90多個國家都已經通過了我們現在還在那邊說專業醫師現在全部醫師團體都是黨下來一黨黨了10年已經通過了到現在黨到現在10年那現在是永遠都不要做了嗎現在連日本都已經做了 |
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接近的國家都已經做了那我們臺灣說要跟國際接軌是在接軌什麼好 我會請食藥署再盡快召開一次專家會議大家再把它討論定案好 謝謝好 謝謝李委員好 謝謝林益君委員的質詢謝謝卓院長 衛福部長的備詢 謝謝 |
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接下來我們請賴世寶委員質詢范雲委員請準備謝謝主席韓院長 卓院長各位先進有請行政院的韓院長以及環境部的本部長兩位麻煩再請卓院長 環境部長備詢 |
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賴委員好新國務院長你這樣做到我開始很怕命但是你前幾天講的話你跟民進黨團說他們有無力感你會不會有無力感有啊你有無力感挫折挫折是不會啦委屈委屈 談不上就是很多事情總認為可以順利做的 |
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有些事情想應該可以很順利去做的事情卻當中產生了很多的破綻議長你這個東西銅板沒有兩個打不響啦你對立法院八次提呼籲這就是八次打立法院的巴掌老實講你聽我講我們是被動的我再強調一遍我執行請你先不要插嘴我講我讓你講 |
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這個行政院如果真的有版本我們等於一年多你那時候可以在我們立法院111411月14號討論的時候拿進來啊那時候不拿進來這個通過以後如果那時候拿進來某年我要看某年我要看 大家好好討論結果你這樣人家通過了然後你再提復議啊大概復議我們就否決大概復議我們就否決 |
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誒 老實說 我都很同情你啊怕也怕沒啊 對不對啊 每次回家 問的也輸 問的也輸還說要賣龍 不叫也不撞 攔腳頭不回啊你是撞了攔牆 還不回 你就是這樣 |
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我聽你口齡啦 讓我回答一句11月14號通過的案子我在11月11號禮拜二在這裡的質詢我就說我下個禮拜四院會會通過我們要院版那是下禮拜四可是我禮拜二講禮拜五這裡就通過了我有什麼辦法 |
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這個只是我看你可憐啦 讓你紓解一下啦可憐你就積極就不會可憐啦我覺得你很可憐耶 做不起這樣實在是喔 真的你需要韓院長大力幫你啦Ask for help from the president 好 拜託他我也希望韓院長能夠幫忙啦韓院長也想幫忙 我知道你當家你寸步難行啦 真的可憐啦 來 |
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當然除了可能還是要給你鼓勵你真怕怕 但是都用錯地方來看一下喔 看一下喔COP28 今年是COP30讓全球核能產量在2025年翻三倍翻三倍 世界的COP歐盟的核能佔28 23% |
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台灣呢 佔多少 現在是0 壓蛋氣候變遷績效指標CCPI 評鑑全世界63個國家台灣在2026排名59名了63個國家排名59 非常差 very low這個東西 我要問了 只是環境部長站在這裡還輪不到你講話 |
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大家引進盼望 脖子伸長長的了就在看河河山河山比較簡單的開始你們開始做安全啊安全啊開始要給他這個這個可能會給他演繹大概一年半以後是不是就安檢會通過是不是 |
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他正通過河安會提出的可以再運轉的計畫那麼現在是台電提出一個自主安全檢查只要這進入那個程序之後依照台電的說法是這個程序開始之後可能是一年半至兩年那麼再送請河安會來做最後的核定所以我們可不可以這樣講我們可以預計2027年河山可以重啟是不是可以這樣 |
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在安全無虞的狀況底下他整個設備如果當中有必須太舊換新的一些設備必須安全無虞比較樂觀就這樣講好了最樂觀的情況我們可以期待2027核三營利是不是可以這樣講2027核三 |
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如果安全都無虞的狀況底下你要很快的說 YES YES YES I DO因為對你選舉有幫助啦我不是考量選舉 我考量的是核安安全不能是考量選舉 考量是核能的安全如果核能安全都無虞是可以往這個時程來做規劃的核澳我們也希望盡快 核澳比較慢一點因為他比較複雜來 我就請教彭部長 你有沒有參加COP30 |
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有沒有包委我必須尊重那個我們外交的特別的處境我有多元的參與你有參與啦我有多元的參與但是呢歷屆環境部長都有參與喔張紫禁有參與薛復聖有參與工研院用NGO的觀察委員你去了喔你去Brazil 去巴西啊你為什麼不參加外交部的觀念呢 |
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報告委員我有參加一些很重要的活動但是因為我必須要顧及這個非常難得的這個我們創造出來的機會所以我必須尊重當地的支持我們的國際的朋友報告委員那個晚宴有非常多元我只是沒有參加某一個晚宴而已 |
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但是我必須說最正式的你沒有參加喔這個我還有更正式的沒有沒有最正式的你沒有參加喔還有更正式的你參加的名字是什麼不好意思因為這個我必須要尊重當地非常支持我們的外國的朋友奇怪以前的部長參加WHAminister of Health |
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報告委員 這個巴西其實他這個國家的處境跟別的國家是不大一樣的那我們也必須給我們外國我們駐館人員非常大的巴西比較怕勞工就這個意思我不能這樣說但是我們有很多支持我們的人這個意思啊我們也必須支持我們的人聽好喔 我們的官員沒有尖峰就拖遲 |
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喔沒有 委員我們是發揮到我們的極致你宣誓 你當部長宣誓喔在立法院講實話知無不言 言無不盡你要講實話 你現在是蓋牌講謊話 |
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我沒有講謊話我們真的是積極多元的去參與但是這個是難得在國際上給我們一個非常好的參與的機會我必須去尊重支持我們國際上的朋友這樣的晚宴有幾個啦你告訴我參加幾個啦有幾個 你參加幾個非常多個非常多個 你參加一個啊 |
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你就參加一個而已啊 正式的話就沒有參加就這樣啊沒有 我們那個是正式的我們有正式的活動你都不說 你說這樣就正式那個正式報告委員 因為我們台灣的外交處境如果沒有人這樣我知道啦 我知道啦你不可以這樣說啦你都有挫折到40號對岸就好啊這台灣的國很好做的委員 在馬前總統時代以前也是這樣啦這個不是我們願不願意的主觀的問題請回啦 以後我的時間有限 請回請回 |
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這個我對你回答是很失望的歐巴委員你剛才說的COPR你說的是有錯誤的因為COPR28並沒有說核能三倍只是某些國家但是在省裡面是提高三倍好了 請回我的資料都是很準的這個在昨天嘛昨天還今天我們總統說了1.25兆的國防特別預算是全數舉賽嗎 |
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全數舉債嗎特別預算可以用舉債可以用稅計剩餘稅計剩餘你現在是零啦對啊那就是全部舉債啦全部舉債那什麼意思那就告訴我們一點澳兆除以2300萬人一人5.43萬每一個人大大小小都要負擔5.43喔 |
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那是八年的期間 八年的期間 八年的期間我知道 那是很多錢喔那顧立雄有說 顧立雄說 注意看美方還沒有完成國會程序國防部已機密專案報告向立法院說明也就是你們通通用機密 一點澳照通通要機密 通通要黑箱 |
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不是 委員你在國會這麼多年 你應該知道軍事採購跟外國採購它有一定的流程它有一定的機密可以跟國會報告的一定充分報告回顧一下 我在立法院這麼久F16特別預算前面 |
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50億左右是機密後來全部都公開了所以前面還是有機密F16因為它是單項的採購現在是多項的採購內容會比較多元這個院長 |
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你現在給外面的感覺現在本來這個賴總統說了喔2027老公要打台灣了現在要加一個的準備這人家被人家抓包抓得不難看啦看節目每天都在講 |
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總統府已經很清楚的說明過經委員依照總統府的正確說法但是我們都是介入賴清德總統的說法不是 總統府的說法就是總統的說法這要是正確的說法正確的說法 那個話說出去說不回來 所以 |
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賴清德總統說假訊息他講謊話正確的是的準備他原來用第一次講的時候的準備沒有講所以老實講他應該要向全民道歉 |
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或者是他要自己對說明他原來是口誤你都可以 沒關係人會講錯話嘛 講壞了但是呢 你怎麼會是臉書小編把它改呢這樣一個的準備是你去改的總統一國之尊怎麼可以這樣小編就把它改這才是總統真正原來的意思 |
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他的意思 但是他嘴巴這樣就不是這樣講每一台 列出來每一台還有包括綠媒把它錄出來就是2027完成公開的準備委員已經知道總統真正的意思所以以後就請委員依照總統真正的意思來對我們所有的國人做說明我們hearing is believing聽到的就相信賴總統說 |
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賴總統說中共完成2027公台委員還是沒有照正確的講法 |
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講錯話沒關係不能這樣老實講賴清德總統最好的方式就是應該出來講清楚而不是靠笑邊幫他加三個字的準備但是我要跟你強調一個東西這個案子典型的選舉要到了 |
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老共沒有啊老共從來沒有一個時間表2027是他的建軍的短期目標2027他沒有講2027要打台灣從來沒有講過美國的實力防衛實力什麼印太防衛實力是為了想要他們得到一些的經費所以就把這個時間抓出來說喔這天要打台灣老共從來沒有講這個話給我講這句話總統拿這個 |
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主要中間都很清楚那我把話講完要1.25兆這麼多的錢400億美金我們要投資關稅談判要投資4千億美金現在整個要送400億美金到底我們要給多少他才蠻力啦台積電也去了啊機密也投了配合美國機密送給這個英特爾我們台灣到底要被掏空到什麼地方他才會感官 |
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台積電是產業自主的投資那軍購是基於國防需要那我們針對我們的財政能力所做的一些計算跟購買計畫來來來 衛福部長麻煩請衛福部長備詢你都準備打仗了我不知道你他我們的邏輯啦 要打仗了我們的醫療準備好沒有 |
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我找到一個數字台灣的健保全世界第一台灣的健保全世界第一但是這個最新資料 |
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時間暫停 賴委員是要等資料的沒有 沒有出來 |
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時間繼續謝謝2023年就是最新最update全球生物製藥的韌性指數排名台灣第11名我們健保是第一名這個製藥第11名比較新加坡第5名韓國第12名這個資料來源是什麼資料來源是Global Health Security IndexGHS Index |
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OECD統計來 大家看這個示標第一個 每千人的醫生傳輸不夠醫療用品供應鏈不夠這個營運的韌性都不夠等等的其實這裡面我最想問的就是你準備暫時有沒有準備地下醫院我兩年前問了薛樂園兩年後兩年來有沒有做哪些東西 |
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跟委員報告我們確實有一些新建醫院朝向有地下的作業的能力像南部的新的醫院也有中部現在也在規劃北部也在規劃 |
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另外就是像這個以色列一樣有時候是把地下的停車場可以做平站的轉換所以這也是一種運作方式我跟院長講啦 我聽你講院長 打仗會傷人 打仗會死人啦這個你的錢一兆兩千多億要多一些錢給衛武部啦要多一些給衛武部 |
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好 謝謝賴世鮑委員質詢謝謝左院長跟部會所長貝欣 謝謝我們接下來 |
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登记第十一位何新存委员,第十二位刘建国委员之质询,均以书面提出,请行政院书面答复,并列入记录刊登公报。在接下来,我们请范云委员质询、张亚林委员请准备。 |
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院長好有請我們卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢范瑋好卓院長辛苦了就是詢答了一整天我今天這個總質詢很單純就是想跟卓院長討論誰才是我們這個國家最需要優先被照顧的人 |
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我想院長面臨到非常多的要求不管是年金改革各種國民年金 農保等我想先談一下院長非常知道我們很驕傲的成就是我們台灣經濟超車日韓總統還講到我們拼 |
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明年GDP4萬美金如果我們仔細來看經濟成長的數字的話的確是不是只有今年大概過去幾年之內我們的經濟成長數字除了2023年之外其實都比日本韓國好這個部分院長應該是很肯定吧尤其今年一二三季的數字 |
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跟我們年初的估計是遠遠的超過那我們今年如果樂觀的估計應該可以到 |
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5到6之間我想這也是我們全國人民跟我們執政團隊非常的努力打拚但是在這個同時我也請院長一起關注社會案件持續的發生我選了幾件這一件是2022年彰化兄弟有三個人只靠弟弟每個月3700元 |
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後來有一餐每一餐你看到照片中真的非常讓人難過昏倒送醫根據新聞的報導是因為他名下有三合院的主產不符合低收的申請資格這是一個 |
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另外我们也看到去年2月有73岁的妇女她因为人籍不合一所以无法申请低收后来流落街头露宿台北车站根据相关的严谨的研究无家者有进发程因为人籍不合一没有任何的福利身份如果要安置的话他必须要回户集体可是他就是没有办法回去现场的执行会卡 |
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这是另外一个例子还有一个例子也觉得非常的难过家住台南的42岁蟹性女子她活活的饿死生前曾经两次到超商偷食物你看到这个报纸上的照片事实上她有家人可是里长说她的母亲身体不好本身就无法承担经济重担然后她虽然有妹妹住楼下可是看起来家庭关系并没有什么联系也不知情 |
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所以很可能因為我們的社救法中低收入戶的家戶合計被排除我想這三個例子 |
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就是要提醒說我們的經濟成長非常令人驕傲那也跟院長報告一下其實根據學界的研究我們需要擔心的是最低跟最高組如果把財富分成五等份的話1991年到2021年我們的財富差距是越來越大那這部分 |
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也代表說經濟成果目前其實沒有辦法共享那當然我們民進黨政府在做很多相關的福利不管是長照然後公托還有教育部的相關的私立大學免學費等等都非常的重要 |
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可是我要提醒的是社会福利最基本的甚至是社会安全网的一部分就是社救法其实已经遇到很大的问题这边我整理一个数字就是刚刚我们讲到日本跟韩国如果贫穷有两种计算方式一个就是所谓的实质去占相对贫穷 |
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另外一個就是法定貧窮以我們台灣來講就是涉救法的中低收入戶我們看到的是如果從相對貧窮的話主計總數給我們的數字台灣的相對貧窮率是7.43 |
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可是我們的中低收入戶是多少就是2.4%如果你問國際的社會福利學者他會跟你說我們的貧窮線跟國際一樣沒有問題可是我們涉救法涉了太多的條件 |
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让这些人领不到就像我刚刚跟院长报告的前面那几个名下有一个就是一个主宅的然后母亲也没有办法照顾她楼下的姐妹就是看起来病关系很脆弱所以如果跟韩国比韩国获得社会救助的比率是4.6%可是我们卫福部下面的中低收入户的人口只占2.4% |
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另外我也要跟院長報告我們看了歷年的數字學者統計的是衛福部自己的報告我們這個中低收入戶他的人數是越來越少比例越來越低明明我們的經濟成長越高對不對貧富差距越大可是不知道各地方政府或者是相關的認定出了什麼事我們符合中低收入戶的人口數是越來越佔的比例越來越低所以我想這件事情 |
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目前的設就法已經有非常多人講有四個問題第一個是虛擬收入明明對方沒有工作能力譬如台北車站那些依照規定就要用基本工資虛擬收入來算不符合實情還有我剛講的家戶合計已經四五十歲的人如果老母在的話也沒有辦法養他或者是家庭關係脆弱 |
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并没有食指养他还在家户合计还有无家者的部分他有非常多不符合我们两公约认定的大家认为应该要专张或者是有些国家专访另外也非常多在协助就是贫穷者的说就算有一些人他领了中低收入户现在的制度是让他难以进去进去了之后出不来 |
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因為他只要賺一點點錢然後他就會脫離這個身份他還不敢去賺錢所以沒有一個脫貧式的設計應該是鼓勵他給他一段時間賺更多的收入脫離這個身份而不是賺一點點之後他脫離這個身份那對他來講他會擔心有一點工作持續性的工作反而失去了這個社會救助的資格 |
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這四個問題我要跟院長報告的是您還沒有上任的時候去年四月衛福部預告一個版本大家本來很期待陳建仁院長就承諾要休因為他是溫暖內閣可是當時的版本這四個都沒有解決所以被抗議之後衛福部就說回去從寧 |
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可是從你到現在都沒有聽到下文你要跟院長報告一下其實剛剛這幾個問題美國韓國日本韓國英國美國日本美國都有非常好的例子就是美國是採實質收入韓國名義上的親屬不會影響他取得中低收入戶 |
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日本 韓國 英國 美國都有無家者專法日本 美國都有脫貧誘因我們這比較的是日本 美國 韓國這是英國我們還沒有去比較北歐國家也要跟院長報告衛福部2023年請學者台大社工系鄭麗珍學者做的研究我讀了之後她已經給你修法建議法條都寫出來了 |
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這三點他都有非常好的建議還有評估出你們這樣改了之後增加的人口數是多少那我知道過去才化法可能大家會不太知道我是要請院長說有些就是地方該負擔的 |
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我們就可以用一個比較精確的方式來計算那不要因為這樣子阻撓我們的腳步那我推動這個已經超過1000天了從2022年那我也提供民間版的修法那2023年總質詢的時候陳建仁院長支持那後來我們朱鎔泰院長不好意思這個年份寫錯院長也支持然後衛福部長也在 |
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您的前一位秋院部長的時候也說會盡快推出新版本其實我們賴總統他的競選政見就很明確要修社會救助法這幾個問題你看他怎麼寫的檢討家庭財產 家庭人口 工作收入 無工作能力等計算標準他當時的答案是三個總統候選中講得最好的 |
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所以我想有這麼多人要求行政院就是協助不管是軍工教年金各種我真的覺得這是我們最該做的最基本的也最優先的我幫卓院長想了一個AI |
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心結我想我們非常的期待我們這AI內閣不只是人工智慧也能夠協助與包容assistance and inclusion我想這是卓院長可以在任內做的就是不只是一個就是顧到人工智慧就是先進帶領我們前進的也能是一個協助跟包容的內閣 |
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那不知道院長覺得我們衛福部什麼時候可以提出新版本呢好 報告委員第一個經濟成長之後也加上整個物價的指數的物價的上漲是應該對最低生活費的標準我們全面的檢討也把我們這個所謂中低低收跟中低收入戶換一條線 劃在更實際的線這是第一個報告第二個很多再來是因為不動產的波 |
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價格的波動剛剛委員所說的一些妨礙阻礙了應該被受照顧的人因為這個因素的時候我們也應該試著把他提高讓他能夠在安全的照顧體系當中但是確實去年下半年 |
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我們就曾經在院內 行政院內討論過社救法甚至今年我們也希望把它列為優先法案這委員都清楚的那去年我們提出這個社救法的時候當然我們發現它所動用的經費是相當龐大我們那個時候正陷入到整個財政收支劃分法 |
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這個修法的過程所以無法確定下來因此整個進度就慢下來了那現在也是如此我還是誠懇的希望如果我們有一套可以長可長可久的財政收入發分法我們才知道中央地方的財源個為多少我們就可以用比較長期的規劃來計算整個的經費的需求 |
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所以設救法應該就會列在我們優先的法案當中提到大院來考量所以我想衛福部的草案應該是已經到最後相當完整的階段了跟委員補充我們在年底之前就會把我們在修訂過的版本送到院裡面不過就是如同剛剛院長所採釋的方向還要搭配整個政府財政 |
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特別是受到這個財化法的衝擊之後我們能夠支應的部分我們在營養午餐委員會也遇到相關的問題我是主張就是能夠衛福部可以做出一個合理的分配如果地方財政增加的時候當然應該要地方支出哪些不足的部分還有我們剛講的戶籍不合一的部分就是中央可以 |
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來協助那用一個合理的方式那不要因為就是財政的部分因為不管怎麼樣我們最後中央或者是地方就會有個單位就是應該要負比較大的責任也許是用等比例的方式那我想那既然部長已經答應說年底前副版會出來是不是那部長是不是可以承諾上一次那個版本那幾個問題沒有解決的這次都能解決呢 |
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我們會有討論過一個新的版本那如果沒有像人籍合一這個問題因為在執行上還是有一點點困難但是我們從行政作業程序上去輔助讓他雖然人不在戶籍地但是可以不一定要回到戶籍地才能申請但是還是以戶籍所在地為基因為到時候還會有中央跟地方他的那個財務分擔的問題所以還是以他涉及地 |
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的縣市政府來分攤這個會比較好至於說另外有一個就是自報自儲收入那個問題因為完全用自儲我們也跟地方討論過在行政執行面上會有困難不過我們就採用多元折算的方式就不是一致的都以我們最基本工資來採計用折算的方式來做一點調整 多元折算 |
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因為衛福部自己的報告針對這個薰衣收入的部分希望也能夠考慮就是自述包含給他一定的時間甚至就是說日本有檢舉制等等我想衛福部可以多方考量也聽聽第一線社會福利的工作者的看法好嗎 |
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好那我們就期待你們年底前那個布板可以出來那個院長加油我們那個AI內閣一起努力謝謝謝謝范雲委員的質詢謝謝卓院長 衛福部長貝勳 謝謝 |
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接下来登记第十四号王美惠委员咨询书面提出请行政院书面答复并列入记录刊登公报在接下来我们本日最后一位咨询委员登记第十五号张亚林委员请咨询 |
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好 我們有請院長麻煩再請左院長備詢張委員好 |
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大家好 首先我想先尋找一個問題可能也要請衛福部部長一起來就是說因為我們過去我自己也是從社福團體出生的然後我們其實一直都在追求兒家屬這件事情我們希望有個兒少的專責機關 |
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最近大家也看到了兒家屬的成立許多的兒少團體也來這邊跟我表達他們的好奇跟他們的擔憂所以我這邊就要來詢問一些比較細節的問題因為其實我們現在 |
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其實我們現在從看到的一些新聞還有架構來看就是兒家屬依然是屬於衛福部底下的一個三級機關可是過去我們一直在講不僅是兒少福利也好 家庭支持也好還有像是兒女的防治 兒少隱私就是最近這幾年我們的社群文化 社群平台網路安全的問題也是一個非常大的問題還有過去我自己非常強調的兒少參與權 兒少遊戲權其實都橫跨了許多的部會 |
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這些議題就變成說跨部會的溝通要來如何進行是大家非常非常擔心的部分所以不曉得說我們目前針對這樣子的一個跨部會的規劃是什麼 |
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跟委員大概簡單說明一下這一次在總統跟院長的指示之下我們先做業務的整合讓事權統一然後以人為中心的整合方式所以先把散在在我們部裡面的各個不同單位有關兒童的業務從兒童健康先整合整合之後才有一個統一的單一窗口來做跨部會不然過去的話還要分工 |
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對 可是因為三級機關已經有了一個那就是它是一個獨立的這個已經是三級機關所以它就等於是衛福部的窗口所以跨部會協調的部分就很清楚就是這個署來負責做對口 |
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這樣就對跨部會的協調上就更有效率不然的話像現在的做法還要根據這一次要談什麼事情來指定某一個單位那就掛一路彎了或者每一次就要找好幾個單位我想這個跨部會的溝通過去在社交署的時候也是很辛苦那到底是到未來這個衛部這邊相關我們的政委或行政院也會來協助一些相關的跨部會溝通嗎現在有這樣子的規劃嗎 |
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跨部會的部分畢竟協調有些事情還是需要到另外一個高度所以這個目前是有這樣子的規劃嗎政委會來協助或是院這邊會來協助政委會來協助是嗎好那我想要再來請教一下人力跟相關的預算編制又是什麼因為從最近釋放出來的一些訊息看起來都滿像醫療面向所以這也是大家擔心的會不會是偏重醫療但是輕攝服所以我想了解一下現在我們的人力預算我們有沒有一個基本的規劃那我們的一些組織 |
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要修法的部分預計什麼時候會送出來我們應該是在下個禮拜就會把我們的組織法簽報到行政院來進行審查那人力跟預算的部分現在有一個初步的規劃 |
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我們是有兩個階段第一個階段是組織法組織法下來之後有初步規程初步規程就會涉及到人力的編制組織法是先就任務這個署的任務先把它做理定理定之後就會開始進行初步規程我懂你意思了我想這邊就是做一個提醒希望到時候我們在而紹的這塊相關的業務也是可以得到足夠的重視 |
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對 那再來下一個問題就是我要請教這個院長 |
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就是說我們在106年開始推動了這個兒少未來教育及發展賬戶我們就是簡稱的兒少賬戶當時開辦的一個方向其實就是要保護我們的弱勢兒少讓他們得到足夠的經濟支持那也符合許多的一些國家的一個相關的研究其實許多的研究也都是說不管是對弱勢的照顧都可以對社會的回報有7到12美元或是有3到6個百分點 |
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降低它未來成為弱勢的一個機會但是我想要講的一個重點是說我們現在符合資格的只有5萬人可是根據一些官方數據或統計的資料屬於落在邊緣戶的小孩大概有70到90萬戶 |
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所以我想在这些孩子面临财务压力之下他还是会有影响到他的一个发展机会那此外呢我自己也看到像这个佩里幼儿园的一个计划他指的是说只要小孩子从早一点哦也不仅针对弱势哦及早得到支持的话他不仅是他的就业率会变高收入也会变高他的犯罪率跟福利的依赖度都会大幅降低所以我觉得这是一个很好的方向那我有再看到了就是这个英国呢 |
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还有新加坡也都有一些很不错的一个基金的一个规划对于所有的孩子是所有的孩子像这个英国儿童的信托基金呢基本上就是你只要一出生就会给你一个250磅低收入的儿童会再额外多250磅那七岁呢就再增加250万那低收入当然同等的追加那最高的上限是到了1000英镑 |
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所以他等於是讓他們也統計了這個整個支出只有佔GDP的0.03%那每一英鎊的投資呢可以產生4.7英鎊的邊際效益所以就是驗證了社會投資國家的一個理念可行性那接下來呢在新加坡也有一樣的類似的一個計畫他是從0到12歲他建立了一個專用資金來支持他們在教育上面或是發展的一個需求 |
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所以你只要他一出生的時候呢政府就會幫他提供一筆初始津貼 |
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第一胎或是第二胎就是五千新幣第三胎以上就是一萬塊新幣那這筆錢就是自己就會存進去然後新加坡也在2020年被經濟學人評為是全球最適合孩子出生成長的地方十大地方之一所以我想請教院長就是說我們一直在講我們要投資兒少我們要國家跟家長一起養 |
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那我們其實投資兒殺就是投資國家的未來我們要整個孩子整個社會都會得到好處那甚至他也可以建立跟我們這個青年百億圓夢基金串聯出一個很好的一個發展路徑所以我現在有個想法跟院長聽聽看我們就是0到18歲我們也可以開戶啦然後那對弱勢也有提供相對的一個撥款那年息3%一年大概是300億 |
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我們就可以提供我們孩子一個更好的未來提供給國家一個更安全的社會不曉得院長有沒有支持我這樣子的方向是不是我們可以開始往這個方向前進我先請問一下存款的上限這個350元是來自一個月 政府謝謝委員這樣的建議跟提醒我們知道在兒童未來儲蓄帳戶 |
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前面這個階段所做的為什麼執行率我們認為不夠理想因為他對象設定了對象設定之後就影響到開戶的意願跟家庭的能力所以很清楚因此行政院也本來在構想我們如何來擴大更多的對象 |
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能夠讓更多的人可以在沒有條件限制情況下能夠來參與才能夠擴大我們的服務的對象像委員所說的這個也是其中一種考量政府要考量現在中央政府的整個財政的能力我們可以在這項項目上面能夠提出多少的財政資源那所有的小孩是不是可以都把它 |
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更有系統的納進來給他將來有一定成長的期間當中歲月當中給他一定固定的一些金額也讓他嘗試對理財觀念的從小建立所以我這樣聽起來院長我們的確是有在往這個方向在考量是不是那我們是不是可以大概有多少的多久之後我們可以來去追蹤相關的一個進度或是有一些方案可以讓我們這邊來了解一下 |
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我們是多元在進行一方面把這個想法更精緻化一方面我們要確定整個國家的財源中央地方的財源要先以確定之後我們才能知道說那政府可以拿出多少的財政能力來支持這樣的家庭能夠把多少的對象納進來如果中央的能力更大納進來的對象就更多 |
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好那我了解院長我們現在是支持往這個方向前進對不對好那我還有第二個提案第二個提案就是說我們現在0到6歲的家長托育補助和育兒津貼是擇一請領的也就是說你有把小孩送托我給你個托育補助如果你自己帶小孩我給你育兒津貼可是在歐洲國家 |
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他們其實是說你只要出生小孩你就可以拿一個育兒津貼不管你有沒有送托你都可以先拿一筆育兒津貼所以這樣子等於是說家長可以得到更好的支持所以我也提出了一個版本就是說如果我們現在根據我們每一個家長都可以 只要你有生小孩你就可以領這個五千塊的每月的津貼的話每年大概是609億 |
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然後如果我們今天配合CPI或是民間大家也有期待是可不可以到1萬塊每個月領1萬塊大概是1,219億聽起來很多但是我跟院長說明就是我們過去一直在講我們兒少預算跟其他OECD國家比起來我們一直都只有2%其實是比原比平均的6%要來的低如果今天我剛剛講的300億放下去還有我們每個月1萬塊放下去 |
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我們其實我們的整個國家在兒少的預算其實也只不過到4.26%其實還沒有到這個世界的平均標準但是已經會讓家長很有感那是不是我們可以也來往這個方向前進呢院長您的想法我們曾經想過分三個階段一個就是多生育 助養育 |
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幫教育那我們會放比較大的力道在幫助多生育給生育的補助比現在能不能提高那麼在助養育這個部分我們現在這個現在在0到6歲這個托育的政策已經基本上雛形完成了那我們可以在這裡加更大的力道讓您剛說的這個或許這是一個方式或者是我們補助更多這是一個部分那麼在幫教育的部分現在我們很多到高中以下學費都免了 |
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但是能不能給多一點的類似這個學習的獎金類似這樣子做所以我聽起來院長其實已經有在幫家長多想一些生育的補助營養金跟教育的獎金有三個階段那這個東西就是事後我們會來繼續來追應該是會是由衛福部這邊來負責對不對 |
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對嗎我們會來一起部長有參與討論過他很清楚的好喔 那非常感謝那我再進入我的最後一題就是非常非常重要網路安全的問題我們現在跨界數位平台已經大量的去蒐集推送擴散我們孩子的影像跟個資可是我們的制度沒有辦法保護我們的小孩更可怕的一件事情是國際研究顯示一個13歲的孩子進入T-talk只要3到4個小時 |
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這個帳號就會開始給他自殺自殺憂鬱的內容而且我們現在9到12歲有一半的小孩都已經在使用TikTok所以這些平台把我們的孩子是用一個最強大的方式去黏著他可是卻不考慮他的安全就會變成是越小的孩子越脆弱的孩子越容易被演算法抓住不放其實現在世界各國都在積極的面對 |
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這個T-talk的問題不管是開罰或是禁用等等的所以我想問一下這個影響到我們身心孩子身心健康影響到我們兒少隱私的這樣子的一個短影音平台T-talk這樣的短影音平台行政院是否已經承認它是對我們的兒少隱私跟身心健康是一個高風險的APP呢 |
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我們說很多的案例看起來都是知道這個這個平台對青少年兒童在他的習慣閱讀習慣上網習慣以他本身的生活上面都發生了極大極大的影響而且是不良的影響居多所以我們認為啊應該要請 |
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平台我們要管理但對TikTok這個平台到目前為止他沒有接受我們要管理的任何意願但是我們還是要加大力道想辦法來做更多的精進改善我希望我們的政府要更多的精進喔因為他真的是傷害了孩子的健康而且是生命安全這是家長絕對無法接受的所以我也希望我們要更積極的實質的手段來去限制像這樣子的平台來接觸而上 |
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特別是12歲以下的孩子另外我也想要再補充一件事情就是說也需要衛福部很大力的來協助因為根據俄福聯盟在2019年的調查84%的家長都曾經上傳孩子的照片21%是有裸露身體的照片 |
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還有我們的孩子已經大量的在使用了這些數位平台可是有半數都不知道數位足跡也就是他們以為刪除就沒事了甚至隨手拍就把自己的同學就拍上網了那就造成後面的制服地圖 兒少性剝削等等的問題可是家長從來都沒有跟孩子討論過 |
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所以等於是說政府我們現在對平台要有管制可是我們對於家長應該也要有一些協助還有我們應該要對兒少法跟個資法要進行修法所以我想要請教我們對於這樣子的議題上面我們是不是已經有在做相關的修法那什麼時候會提出修法的版本 |
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跟委員說明這個也要加強對這個新手或者是普遍性的這個父母的教育因為賽娃這個事情都沒有去注意到這個是要教育他們可能不是有意但是卻是在無心之中暴露了這個孩子的影像所以這個要加強效應這我們會努力來做那至於在這個 |
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上了這個平台那麼不應該那麼傳播這件事情其實在兒少法裡面有相關的規範對 但是我們現在兒少法69條有一些但兒少法的問題在於他現在是孩子受害才會助理嘛如果沒有受害的時候就不會所以我們其實應該要加強這個針對於一般兒少的保護啦所以我希望是說我們可以盡快提出修法 |
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好 謝謝張雅玲委員質詢謝謝卓院長 衛福部長備詢 謝謝 |
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保育院會我們社會福利及衛生環境組諮詢已經詢答完畢本會期至9月30號起對行政院院長施政報告進行諮詢已經於今天詢答完畢非常感謝卓院長以及各位列席的部會首長列席的答詢也特別感謝今天一整天陪同我們參與諮詢的我們桃園的邱若驊委員以及王育民委員那我們在諮詢之前 |
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我們還是敬請卓院長來講幾句話韓院長、江副院長、各位委員先進很感謝今天能夠順利完成本次會期的總諮詢 |
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感謝各位先進委員在質詢過程當中給予行政院很多的指教與建議我們答詢不周的地方以及不及答覆的部分我們會用書面以及用各種的方式來對委員的垂詢做更清楚的說明也謝謝所有大院裡面的會務人員在這期間的辛苦不過最後我想有幾處我的感觸我要在這裡說 |
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我每次要上備詢台的時候我都會向韓院長或是江副院長大會的主席深深的一鞠躬這個敬禮當然是一方面是因為憲法五十七條以及徵修條文第三條行政院向立法院務責我們充分扮演憲政機關必要的角色所以深深的一鞠躬代表這個意義然而對我個人而言 |
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我更大的意識是代表著我每次的鞠躬都代表著希望有一個重新的合作模式的開始我記得在今年八月的時候我說過我們必須調整行政院的施政順序調整行政院的財政支出結構調整兩院的互動關係我們都一一在做 |
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所以我認為每一次在這個地方代表行政院也好代表我個人也好總是希望開啟一個新的合作模式以及兩院基於憲政正常運作的模式這代表著我個人的誠意跟期待9月30號在施政報告的時候我說過 |
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我希望未來要重建三項重要的重大工程一個是在後關稅時代我們全國的產業界一個對於全球產業佈局的重建 |
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第二項是我們基於當時發生了很多的風災我們要全面對於災區復原的重建然而第三項也是最重要的我希望重建一個社會的信任其中包括行政、立法兩院互相的信任不過我的遺憾是前兩項的重建我們依序進行最後一項的重建到現在我認為 |
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我個人的努力還是不夠我們兩院之間還是存在著很多的差異什麼差異第一個是基於對於國家未來不同立場的差異第二個是對於國家安全不同思考的差異第三個是對於國家財政不同角度的差異我們能不能把這些差異讓它取得最大的公約數 |
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讓國人看到行政立法兩院是可以經過協商來完成人民交付我們的任務是可以經過合作來改變目前這樣的現狀如果可以這樣做的話那我代表行政院每次在這裡進行答覆的時候我會認為我們是在共同為國家的未來尋找一個可循的方向所以我真的很誠懇的希望 |
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讓我再講一次我們共同的合作才是國人最大的要求沒有國哪有家沒有國哪有黨沒有國哪有個人我願意我也期待我們一起以國家為念以家為念以每一個國人為念基於國家一體中央地方合作的理念之下我們找出一條 |
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全國國人所樂於看到的讓我們在最不同的差異當中尋求最高的共識往這個共識走把不可能解決的差異暫時擺在一邊我們才有辦法走出一條人民期待我們要走的建設國家發展未來的重要的大路我深深的期待再次向韓院長 江副院長各位委員先進表達最高的感謝謝謝大家 |
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謝謝左院長的報告我們現在做以下決定一 |
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将各委员发言记录及书面咨询函送行政院请就位答复的部分予以书面答复二 已提出之书面咨询尚未登载公报者一律补刊报言会我们今天的会议进行到此为止12月2号星期二上午9点继续开会我们进行讨论事项再一次谢谢卓院长练习了所有的格言谢谢大家我们先来休息 |