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王鴻薇 @ 第11屆第5會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:01,000 | 二位委員發言資訊 |
| 00:00:09,000 | 00:00:11,000 | 好 謝謝主席 |
| 00:00:11,000 | 00:00:15,000 | 我請我們原委會 |
| 00:00:15,000 | 00:00:17,000 | 今天是副主委嗎 對不對 |
| 00:00:17,000 | 00:00:22,000 | 還有我們原民基金會的董事長 |
| 00:00:25,000 | 00:00:26,000 | 好 委員好 |
| 00:00:26,000 | 00:00:28,000 | 好 副主委 董事長 |
| 00:00:28,000 | 00:00:30,000 | 在你們今天的報告裡面 |
| 00:00:30,000 | 00:00:33,000 | 有特別提到在去年底 |
| 00:00:33,000 | 00:00:38,000 | 舉辦的世界原住民傳統運動會 |
| 00:00:38,000 | 00:00:41,000 | 但是呢 在我們的報告裡面 |
| 00:00:41,000 | 00:00:47,000 | 卻看不到有關於我們這個試源運 |
| 00:00:47,000 | 00:00:52,000 | 那麼在去年底我們舉辦之後 |
| 00:00:52,000 | 00:00:57,000 | 那麼未來我們還會不會有政策性推動的工作 |
| 00:00:57,000 | 00:00:59,000 | 因為在原民會也說 |
| 00:00:59,000 | 00:01:02,000 | 這不是原民會經常性的業務預算 |
| 00:01:02,000 | 00:01:05,000 | 那就是一個執行單位 |
| 00:01:05,000 | 00:01:07,000 | 所以我想請問一下 |
| 00:01:07,000 | 00:01:13,000 | 我們在去年這樣的一個特別辦理的試源運 |
| 00:01:13,000 | 00:01:19,000 | 接下來我們原委會還有沒有任何政策性的規劃 |
| 00:01:19,000 | 00:01:21,000 | 比如說它會屬於常態性 |
| 00:01:21,000 | 00:01:23,000 | 或者兩年做一次 |
| 00:01:23,000 | 00:01:27,000 | 或者四年做一次的這樣的任何的規劃嗎 |
| 00:01:27,000 | 00:01:33,000 | 各位報告 這一個去年所辦的世界傳統原住民運動會 |
| 00:01:33,000 | 00:01:39,000 | 後來在跟各個國家文化加入上面有很大的幫忙 |
| 00:01:39,000 | 00:01:42,000 | 那我們事實上也規劃以後兩年一次 |
| 00:01:42,000 | 00:01:45,000 | 就是在116年我們也有相關的預算 |
| 00:01:45,000 | 00:01:48,000 | 來爭取來辦理這個運動會 |
| 00:01:48,000 | 00:01:50,000 | 所以未來它會屬於一個 |
| 00:01:50,000 | 00:01:51,000 | 兩年一次 |
| 00:01:51,000 | 00:01:55,000 | 兩年一次的常態性的一個活動 |
| 00:01:55,000 | 00:01:57,000 | 對 因為你們去年辦完了 |
| 00:01:57,000 | 00:01:59,000 | 我們當然要繼續去追蹤 |
| 00:01:59,000 | 00:02:02,000 | 你們認為因為花了也是八千多萬 |
| 00:02:02,000 | 00:02:05,000 | 那這樣的一個活動 |
| 00:02:05,000 | 00:02:08,000 | 那到底它有沒有繼續再帶下去的價值 |
| 00:02:08,000 | 00:02:10,000 | 因為我們之前都沒有看到 |
| 00:02:10,000 | 00:02:14,000 | 你們有任何的一個實際的規劃 |
| 00:02:14,000 | 00:02:17,000 | 那另外你要請教一下 |
| 00:02:17,000 | 00:02:24,000 | 我們的這個我們副主委 |
| 00:02:24,000 | 00:02:28,000 | 8月1號原住民族日 |
| 00:02:28,000 | 00:02:33,000 | 那當然就是我們有這個8月1號原住民族日的活動 |
| 00:02:33,000 | 00:02:35,000 | 是很合理的 |
| 00:02:35,000 | 00:02:38,000 | 但是以今年度 |
| 00:02:38,000 | 00:02:44,000 | 我們在原住民族日活動的勞務採購案裡面 |
| 00:02:44,000 | 00:02:49,000 | 絕標金額高達1930萬元 |
| 00:02:49,000 | 00:02:52,000 | 高達1930萬元 |
| 00:02:52,000 | 00:02:54,000 | 如果跟去年 |
| 00:02:54,000 | 00:02:58,000 | 這個是每一年都有8月1號的原住民族日 |
| 00:02:58,000 | 00:03:02,000 | 去年呢只有290萬元 |
| 00:03:02,000 | 00:03:09,000 | 增加的比例是565.65倍之多 |
| 00:03:09,000 | 00:03:11,000 | 第一個我想請問 |
| 00:03:11,000 | 00:03:18,000 | 為什麼今年度的同樣平都是原住民族日 |
| 00:03:18,000 | 00:03:23,000 | 為什麼今年採購金額突然暴增成這樣子 |
| 00:03:23,000 | 00:03:27,000 | 各位報告第一個當然是時間沒有拉長 |
| 00:03:27,000 | 00:03:28,000 | 我們三天 |
| 00:03:28,000 | 00:03:30,000 | 那之前可能就是一天而已 |
| 00:03:30,000 | 00:03:32,000 | 為什麼今年變三天 |
| 00:03:32,000 | 00:03:40,000 | 因為我們是跟那個台下就是夏威夷合辦的 |
| 00:03:40,000 | 00:03:43,000 | 那他們他們而且又是會裡面的30週年 |
| 00:03:43,000 | 00:03:45,000 | 所以我們這次比較擴大 |
| 00:03:45,000 | 00:03:47,000 | 今年特別擴大舉辦 |
| 00:03:47,000 | 00:03:50,000 | 我們是30週年原民會成立30週年 |
| 00:03:50,000 | 00:03:52,000 | 所以你看 |
| 00:03:52,000 | 00:03:56,000 | 我們的一個這個所謂的採購案 |
| 00:03:56,000 | 00:04:00,000 | 從109年開始 |
| 00:04:00,000 | 00:04:05,000 | 除了114年這個是最少290萬 |
| 00:04:05,000 | 00:04:10,000 | 除了這個114年是被一個相差科技 |
| 00:04:10,000 | 00:04:14,000 | 事業股份有限公司飆走之外 |
| 00:04:14,000 | 00:04:18,000 | 其他全面性的包含今年恢復 |
| 00:04:18,000 | 00:04:22,000 | 都是山海關國際整合行銷公司 |
| 00:04:22,000 | 00:04:24,000 | 我有講過其實我對於標案 |
| 00:04:24,000 | 00:04:28,000 | 我最在乎的就是是不是過度集中 |
| 00:04:28,000 | 00:04:30,000 | 是不是連續 |
| 00:04:30,000 | 00:04:32,000 | 我們政府的預算 |
| 00:04:32,000 | 00:04:38,000 | 可以好多年都是只有一個公司或一個單位得標 |
| 00:04:38,000 | 00:04:42,000 | 我覺得這都是非常令人覺得不可思議的 |
| 00:04:42,000 | 00:04:44,000 | 而且呢 |
| 00:04:44,000 | 00:04:46,000 | 為什麼114年度 |
| 00:04:46,000 | 00:04:49,000 | 就不是這個山海關國際行銷公司 |
| 00:04:49,000 | 00:04:54,000 | 因為後來我們發現陳寅委員的助理 |
| 00:04:54,000 | 00:04:58,000 | 曾經在114年之前 |
| 00:04:58,000 | 00:05:02,000 | 針對這個山海關國際公司 |
| 00:05:02,000 | 00:05:06,000 | 在他的社群做了很多的批評 |
| 00:05:06,000 | 00:05:08,000 | 他有講說 |
| 00:05:08,000 | 00:05:11,000 | 聽說山海關國際行銷有限公司 |
| 00:05:11,000 | 00:05:15,000 | 是許多原民主管機關的愛用廠商 |
| 00:05:15,000 | 00:05:16,000 | 然後hashtag |
| 00:05:16,000 | 00:05:19,000 | 然後專門欺負原住民 |
| 00:05:19,000 | 00:05:22,000 | 或者他也有質疑說 |
| 00:05:22,000 | 00:05:25,000 | 山海關的吳宗山後台到底有多硬 |
| 00:05:25,000 | 00:05:29,000 | 他說好多好聽的故事都到我這裡了 |
| 00:05:29,000 | 00:05:32,000 | 感覺超銷商沒有在怕 |
| 00:05:32,000 | 00:05:35,000 | 我不知道是不是因為這樣 |
| 00:05:35,000 | 00:05:37,000 | 所以這整個你可以看到 |
| 00:05:37,000 | 00:05:43,000 | 每一年都是這個山海關國際行銷公司在標到 |
| 00:05:43,000 | 00:05:47,000 | 唯獨在114年你們不敢標給他了 |
| 00:05:47,000 | 00:05:50,000 | 但是金額都變得很低 |
| 00:05:50,000 | 00:05:54,000 | 你可以看到其他在114年之前 |
| 00:05:54,000 | 00:05:56,000 | 都有契約變更 |
| 00:05:56,000 | 00:06:01,000 | 每一年的金額都遠遠大於去年的290萬 |
| 00:06:01,000 | 00:06:04,000 | 然後今年決定擴大舉辦 |
| 00:06:04,000 | 00:06:08,000 | 讓我合理懷疑是不是因為114年他沒有標到 |
| 00:06:08,000 | 00:06:12,000 | 所以今年再加金額來辦 |
| 00:06:12,000 | 00:06:15,000 | 然後又是再加山海關國際行銷公司 |
| 00:06:15,000 | 00:06:18,000 | 所以我要講就是說 |
| 00:06:18,000 | 00:06:20,000 | 我們這次在審預算的時候 |
| 00:06:20,000 | 00:06:21,000 | 不管沒宣費 |
| 00:06:21,000 | 00:06:25,000 | 像這個什麼國際原住民主義 |
| 00:06:25,000 | 00:06:27,000 | 我不懂耶 |
| 00:06:27,000 | 00:06:29,000 | 其他公司不能辦嗎 |
| 00:06:29,000 | 00:06:32,000 | 他們都沒有來標嗎 |
| 00:06:32,000 | 00:06:36,000 | 你們都跟我講說按照採購 |
| 00:06:36,000 | 00:06:38,000 | 我們都按照採購程序 |
| 00:06:38,000 | 00:06:40,000 | 因為很多公司都知道 |
| 00:06:40,000 | 00:06:43,000 | 久了以後你們都有潛規則 |
| 00:06:43,000 | 00:06:46,000 | 他再來的時候都只是來做陪榜 |
| 00:06:46,000 | 00:06:48,000 | 陪公子念書而已 |
| 00:06:48,000 | 00:06:52,000 | 所以造成一個原住民主義 |
| 00:06:52,000 | 00:06:56,000 | 過度集中在某一家公司裡面 |
| 00:06:56,000 | 00:06:59,000 | 而且今年爆增金額 |
| 00:06:59,000 | 00:07:04,000 | 今天金額可能是3、4年辦理的金額 |
| 00:07:04,000 | 00:07:06,000 | 就這樣爆增了 |
| 00:07:06,000 | 00:07:11,000 | 所以我們現在有關於這些標案 |
| 00:07:11,000 | 00:07:14,000 | 我還是會繼續的去盯住 |
| 00:07:15,000 | 00:07:18,000 | 我覺得如果說今天只是因為 |
| 00:07:18,000 | 00:07:21,000 | 當時陳寅委員的助理對這家公司 |
| 00:07:21,000 | 00:07:23,000 | 顯然他也應該聽到一些事情 |
| 00:07:23,000 | 00:07:24,000 | 他質疑了 |
| 00:07:24,000 | 00:07:27,000 | 所以你們那時候避風頭不敢給他 |
| 00:07:27,000 | 00:07:28,000 | 今年再給他 |
| 00:07:28,000 | 00:07:31,000 | 而且金額加碼這麼多 |
| 00:07:31,000 | 00:07:35,000 | 所以這些標案都要以招攻擊 |
| 00:07:35,000 | 00:07:36,000 | 我把它列出來 |
| 00:07:36,000 | 00:07:39,000 | 我相信很多的委員會再做觀音 |
| 00:07:39,000 | 00:07:41,000 | 大家都是行家 |
| 00:07:41,000 | 00:07:44,000 | 行家這種標案沒有貓膩 |
| 00:07:44,000 | 00:07:46,000 | 什麼才會有貓膩 |
| 00:07:46,000 | 00:07:48,000 | 所以我想請問一下 |
| 00:07:48,000 | 00:07:51,000 | 就是請我們的原委會 |
| 00:07:51,000 | 00:07:55,000 | 能夠把相關今年到底為什麼 |
| 00:07:55,000 | 00:08:00,000 | 你們要這樣大幅增加到將近兩千萬 |
| 00:08:00,000 | 00:08:04,000 | 然後又回覆給原來的公司去做成標 |
| 00:08:04,000 | 00:08:09,000 | 希望你能夠提供比較詳細的書面報告給我們 |
| 00:08:09,000 | 00:08:10,000 | 否則的話 |
| 00:08:10,000 | 00:08:12,000 | 你們本來像我剛才一開始問 |
| 00:08:12,000 | 00:08:13,000 | 你們一定都會 |
| 00:08:13,000 | 00:08:16,000 | 你們覺得有成效 |
| 00:08:16,000 | 00:08:17,000 | 有文化交流 |
| 00:08:17,000 | 00:08:19,000 | 原住民的文化交流 |
| 00:08:19,000 | 00:08:21,000 | 我們其實也都會支持 |
| 00:08:21,000 | 00:08:26,000 | 但是不要去集中特別廠商好不好 |
| 00:08:26,000 | 00:08:28,000 | 委員因為之前前幾年 |
| 00:08:28,000 | 00:08:29,000 | 我就講說他可能是單一的 |
| 00:08:29,000 | 00:08:31,000 | 可能是行政會議可能是論壇 |
| 00:08:31,000 | 00:08:33,000 | 所以他的費用是比較低 |
| 00:08:33,000 | 00:08:35,000 | 但至於說三海關事實上 |
| 00:08:35,000 | 00:08:37,000 | 我們海上的採購法 |
| 00:08:37,000 | 00:08:39,000 | 有時候來標註兩家一家 |
| 00:08:39,000 | 00:08:40,000 | 其實那個都可說公平 |
| 00:08:40,000 | 00:08:42,000 | 你可以看那個標案的 |
| 00:08:42,000 | 00:08:44,000 | 他們實際這個內容 |
| 00:08:44,000 | 00:08:46,000 | 每一次的你們的集中 |
| 00:08:46,000 | 00:08:48,000 | 你們每一次的集中 |
| 00:08:48,000 | 00:08:50,000 | 通通都說可說 |
| 00:08:50,000 | 00:08:51,000 | 我已經跟你講了 |
| 00:08:51,000 | 00:08:53,000 | 很多業者都已經知道了 |
| 00:08:53,000 | 00:08:55,000 | 人家看這樣子還知道 |
| 00:08:55,000 | 00:08:57,000 | 還要來標嗎 |
| 00:08:57,000 | 00:08:59,000 | 每一次都三海關 |
| 00:08:59,000 | 00:09:00,000 | 對不對 |
| 00:09:00,000 | 00:09:01,000 | 每一次都三海關 |
| 00:09:01,000 | 00:09:02,000 | 而且還契約 |
| 00:09:02,000 | 00:09:03,000 | 每一次都契約變更 |
| 00:09:03,000 | 00:09:05,000 | 換了一家公司就沒有契約變更了 |
| 00:09:05,000 | 00:09:08,000 | 經營特別少也不會做契約變更 |
| 00:09:08,000 | 00:09:10,000 | 我不曉得你今年還會不會做契約變更 |
| 00:09:10,000 | 00:09:12,000 | 好不好 |
| 00:09:12,000 | 00:09:14,000 | 希望你們這些標案 |
| 00:09:14,000 | 00:09:16,000 | 要以招公信 |
| 00:09:16,000 | 00:09:18,000 | 不要每一次都特定的 |
| 00:09:18,000 | 00:09:21,000 | 就是集中在某一家公司上 |
| 00:09:21,000 | 00:09:23,000 | 好 以上 |
| 00:09:23,000 | 00:09:25,000 | 各位不知道這個我們會檢討 |