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徐欣瑩 @ 第11屆第5會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:01,000 | 委員發言之詢 |
| 00:00:06,360 | 00:00:08,340 | 好 謝謝主席本席 |
| 00:00:08,340 | 00:00:09,840 | 有請邱主委 |
| 00:00:09,840 | 00:00:12,140 | 還有我們羅秘書長 |
| 00:00:17,580 | 00:00:18,580 | 徐委員好 |
| 00:00:19,040 | 00:00:19,540 | 好 |
| 00:00:20,640 | 00:00:23,540 | 剛剛兩位對我們翁委員 |
| 00:00:24,280 | 00:00:24,980 | 這個 |
| 00:00:25,220 | 00:00:26,420 | 他在講話的時候 |
| 00:00:26,420 | 00:00:27,620 | 我真的覺得 |
| 00:00:27,720 | 00:00:29,420 | 你們應該要聽 |
| 00:00:29,440 | 00:00:31,080 | 他跟你們講你們再講 |
| 00:00:31,080 | 00:00:32,880 | 那我接續的說 |
| 00:00:33,280 | 00:00:33,980 | 我們 |
| 00:00:34,920 | 00:00:36,980 | 海基會的報告 |
| 00:00:36,980 | 00:00:38,320 | 寫得非常清楚 |
| 00:00:39,160 | 00:00:40,220 | 剛剛也有講 |
| 00:00:40,220 | 00:00:41,420 | 羅秘書長也有講 |
| 00:00:41,420 | 00:00:42,260 | 沒錯 |
| 00:00:42,460 | 00:00:46,000 | 海峽兩岸共同打擊犯罪及司法互助協議 |
| 00:00:46,000 | 00:00:47,300 | 第十二條 |
| 00:00:47,460 | 00:00:50,660 | 雙方應及時通報對方人員 |
| 00:00:50,800 | 00:00:53,740 | 遭限制人身自由的重要訊息 |
| 00:00:54,100 | 00:00:57,280 | 但是從113年4月中旬以後 |
| 00:00:57,600 | 00:01:00,200 | 路方已經藉詞不履行 |
| 00:01:00,200 | 00:01:02,940 | 導致家屬無法取得正式通報 |
| 00:01:02,940 | 00:01:04,040 | 查證無門 |
| 00:01:04,940 | 00:01:08,140 | 那我們看到同樣一份報告後面 |
| 00:01:08,140 | 00:01:09,520 | 你們又寫說 |
| 00:01:09,720 | 00:01:12,220 | 主要處理方式仍然是 |
| 00:01:12,420 | 00:01:15,920 | 巡兩會管道促請路方協尋 |
| 00:01:16,520 | 00:01:18,620 | 也是致函海協會 |
| 00:01:18,820 | 00:01:21,760 | 然後再度去函吹辦 |
| 00:01:22,200 | 00:01:26,400 | 再來函之法務部及警政署參署 |
| 00:01:26,960 | 00:01:27,520 | OK |
| 00:01:27,520 | 00:01:29,160 | 陸委會報告也一樣 |
| 00:01:29,320 | 00:01:32,760 | 失聯就透過兩會管道查詢 |
| 00:01:32,960 | 00:01:34,600 | 遭限制人身自由 |
| 00:01:34,600 | 00:01:37,800 | 就再依共打協議要求路方通報 |
| 00:01:38,160 | 00:01:39,940 | 這都是你們的報告寫的 |
| 00:01:40,200 | 00:01:42,240 | 那我們最想問的就是 |
| 00:01:42,500 | 00:01:44,640 | 當政府我們台灣政府 |
| 00:01:44,740 | 00:01:46,180 | 已經承認 |
| 00:01:46,440 | 00:01:50,440 | 這條主要通報管道已經長期失靈了 |
| 00:01:50,780 | 00:01:52,440 | 結果你們提出來的方案 |
| 00:01:52,440 | 00:01:54,780 | 仍然是繼續發函 |
| 00:01:55,100 | 00:01:56,800 | 再度去函 |
| 00:01:57,040 | 00:01:57,800 | 函之 |
| 00:01:57,800 | 00:01:59,740 | 所以你這樣 |
| 00:02:00,300 | 00:02:01,940 | 明明知道不可行的 |
| 00:02:01,940 | 00:02:04,240 | 你就是做個去函的動作 |
| 00:02:04,680 | 00:02:06,940 | 好那接著我來問 |
| 00:02:07,280 | 00:02:10,120 | 我們從113年4月中旬以來 |
| 00:02:10,620 | 00:02:14,120 | 我方透過協議或兩會管道 |
| 00:02:15,060 | 00:02:16,680 | 查詢多少案件 |
| 00:02:16,920 | 00:02:18,120 | 有沒有辦法立刻 |
| 00:02:18,260 | 00:02:20,260 | 如果沒辦法會後跟我講 |
| 00:02:20,620 | 00:02:24,760 | 然後就說我方透過協議及兩會 |
| 00:02:25,100 | 00:02:27,100 | 你們到底查詢了多少件 |
| 00:02:27,300 | 00:02:28,300 | 到現在為止 |
| 00:02:28,900 | 00:02:31,900 | 路方實質回覆又有多少件 |
| 00:02:32,140 | 00:02:32,640 | 好 |
| 00:02:32,840 | 00:02:34,840 | 平均多久回覆 |
| 00:02:35,380 | 00:02:37,880 | 完全不回覆的又是多少件 |
| 00:02:38,880 | 00:02:40,420 | 好那你可以回答是不是 |
| 00:02:40,420 | 00:02:40,920 | 可以回答 |
| 00:02:40,920 | 00:02:42,920 | 有數字那可以來 |
| 00:02:43,420 | 00:02:43,920 | 請說 |
| 00:02:43,920 | 00:02:45,520 | 正如徐二元所講的 |
| 00:02:45,660 | 00:02:48,120 | 按照司法付出的協議第12條 |
| 00:02:48,360 | 00:02:49,960 | 他們必須立即通報 |
| 00:02:50,260 | 00:02:52,160 | 好啦你回答我的問題嘛 |
| 00:02:52,320 | 00:02:55,320 | 現在到底從113年4月以來 |
| 00:02:55,320 | 00:02:56,320 | 你們到底 |
| 00:02:56,320 | 00:02:57,820 | 徐二元剛剛你講的 |
| 00:02:58,160 | 00:02:59,660 | 我們該去函的 |
| 00:02:59,660 | 00:03:00,519 | 該做的 |
| 00:03:00,519 | 00:03:02,359 | 該國內商來進行的 |
| 00:03:02,359 | 00:03:03,620 | 我們要先該做的 |
| 00:03:03,620 | 00:03:04,560 | 多少件嘛 |
| 00:03:04,560 | 00:03:06,560 | 按照協議該做我們都要做 |
| 00:03:06,560 | 00:03:07,400 | 不可以不做 |
| 00:03:07,400 | 00:03:07,900 | 第一件 |
| 00:03:07,900 | 00:03:08,400 | 第二件 |
| 00:03:08,400 | 00:03:08,900 | 對 |
| 00:03:08,900 | 00:03:09,800 | 我會回答你的問題 |
| 00:03:09,800 | 00:03:10,300 | 你放心 |
| 00:03:10,300 | 00:03:11,800 | 我會回答你的問題啦 |
| 00:03:11,800 | 00:03:12,500 | 不然多少件了啦 |
| 00:03:12,500 | 00:03:13,000 | 沒有那麼多時間 |
| 00:03:13,000 | 00:03:14,000 | 225件 |
| 00:03:14,400 | 00:03:16,400 | 上海機會成期的每一件 |
| 00:03:16,400 | 00:03:17,800 | 我們都發函給對方 |
| 00:03:17,800 | 00:03:18,300 | 對阿 |
| 00:03:18,640 | 00:03:20,740 | 因為是按照協議機制我們就要做的事 |
| 00:03:20,740 | 00:03:21,380 | 所以每一件 |
| 00:03:21,600 | 00:03:24,299 | 你從113年4月中旬以來 |
| 00:03:24,299 | 00:03:25,299 | 225件 |
| 00:03:25,299 | 00:03:25,799 | 好 |
| 00:03:25,799 | 00:03:29,000 | 從114年1月225件 |
| 00:03:29,000 | 00:03:30,540 | 我是問113 |
| 00:03:30,540 | 00:03:32,540 | 4月中旬之後 |
| 00:03:32,540 | 00:03:36,140 | 所以你們這數字為什麼不從113 |
| 00:03:36,140 | 00:03:37,140 | 等一下 |
| 00:03:37,980 | 00:03:38,480 | 我 |
| 00:03:38,480 | 00:03:39,980 | 你講到這我就順便 |
| 00:03:39,980 | 00:03:40,480 | 好 |
| 00:03:40,480 | 00:03:42,480 | 你們今天兩會的報告 |
| 00:03:43,180 | 00:03:44,079 | 海機會 |
| 00:03:44,420 | 00:03:48,320 | 就是從114年1月到115年6月 |
| 00:03:48,320 | 00:03:48,820 | 對 |
| 00:03:48,820 | 00:03:50,519 | 然後225件 |
| 00:03:50,519 | 00:03:51,019 | 對 |
| 00:03:51,420 | 00:03:52,420 | 那陸委會呢 |
| 00:03:52,420 | 00:03:53,420 | 陸委會 |
| 00:03:53,420 | 00:03:55,420 | 陸委會是 |
| 00:03:55,420 | 00:03:58,420 | 給我們的報告是113年1月 |
| 00:03:58,420 | 00:04:00,420 | 他從113年1月喔 |
| 00:04:00,420 | 00:04:04,420 | 到115年今年7月22日 |
| 00:04:04,420 | 00:04:06,920 | 告訴我們有402人 |
| 00:04:06,920 | 00:04:08,420 | 你們兩會很厲害 |
| 00:04:08,420 | 00:04:09,420 | 一個用人 |
| 00:04:09,420 | 00:04:11,420 | 一個用案件 |
| 00:04:11,420 | 00:04:12,420 | 為單位 |
| 00:04:12,420 | 00:04:15,420 | 然後統計期間又完全的不同 |
| 00:04:15,420 | 00:04:16,920 | 分類也不同 |
| 00:04:16,920 | 00:04:18,920 | 兩份報告完全沒有說明 |
| 00:04:18,960 | 00:04:21,960 | 沒跟我們講兩組數字如何回應 |
| 00:04:21,960 | 00:04:23,460 | 這個我特別提出來講 |
| 00:04:23,460 | 00:04:25,960 | 但是我拉回來我剛剛問的是 |
| 00:04:25,960 | 00:04:28,460 | 你到底從113年4月 |
| 00:04:28,460 | 00:04:30,460 | 到現在有多少件 |
| 00:04:30,460 | 00:04:31,460 | 我們每一件都總共 |
| 00:04:31,460 | 00:04:32,960 | OK你這邊沒關係 |
| 00:04:32,960 | 00:04:34,460 | 你225件 |
| 00:04:34,460 | 00:04:34,960 | 等一下 |
| 00:04:34,960 | 00:04:35,960 | 是我在問 |
| 00:04:35,960 | 00:04:36,460 | 好沒問題 |
| 00:04:36,460 | 00:04:38,460 | 陸方實質回覆多少件 |
| 00:04:38,460 | 00:04:39,460 | 你225件 |
| 00:04:39,460 | 00:04:40,460 | 陸方實質回覆 |
| 00:04:40,460 | 00:04:41,460 | 7件 |
| 00:04:41,460 | 00:04:41,960 | 對 |
| 00:04:41,960 | 00:04:42,460 | 所以 |
| 00:04:42,460 | 00:04:43,460 | 你看喔 |
| 00:04:43,460 | 00:04:44,460 | 你們都知道 |
| 00:04:44,460 | 00:04:46,460 | 你去函沒有用 |
| 00:04:46,460 | 00:04:47,460 | 那還是要做啊 |
| 00:04:47,460 | 00:04:47,960 | 好 |
| 00:04:48,000 | 00:04:49,500 | 還是要做比較不做 |
| 00:04:49,500 | 00:04:51,000 | 因為我們遵守協議 |
| 00:04:51,000 | 00:04:52,500 | 不遵守協議 |
| 00:04:52,500 | 00:04:53,500 | 是他的事 |
| 00:04:53,500 | 00:04:55,000 | 我方遵守協議我們還是要做 |
| 00:04:55,000 | 00:04:56,000 | 你還是要做 |
| 00:04:56,000 | 00:04:57,500 | 那我請教除了去函 |
| 00:04:57,500 | 00:04:59,500 | 你還有沒有更有效的方式 |
| 00:04:59,500 | 00:05:01,000 | 我們有其他方法 |
| 00:05:01,000 | 00:05:02,000 | 什麼方式 |
| 00:05:02,000 | 00:05:03,500 | 我可以舉例說明 |
| 00:05:03,500 | 00:05:04,000 | 我跟你講 |
| 00:05:04,000 | 00:05:04,500 | 比如說 |
| 00:05:04,500 | 00:05:05,500 | 你的方式 |
| 00:05:05,500 | 00:05:06,500 | 失靈 |
| 00:05:06,500 | 00:05:08,500 | 你去函失靈 |
| 00:05:08,500 | 00:05:10,000 | 然後你的方法也失靈 |
| 00:05:10,000 | 00:05:10,500 | 所以你剛剛 |
| 00:05:10,500 | 00:05:11,000 | 比如說 |
| 00:05:11,000 | 00:05:12,500 | 你剛剛有講 |
| 00:05:12,500 | 00:05:13,500 | 有數字只會 |
| 00:05:13,500 | 00:05:14,000 | 等一下 |
| 00:05:14,000 | 00:05:15,500 | 你剛剛回答翁小林說 |
| 00:05:15,500 | 00:05:17,000 | 數字只會多不會少 |
| 00:05:17,000 | 00:05:17,500 | 是的 |
| 00:05:17,540 | 00:05:18,040 | 好 |
| 00:05:18,040 | 00:05:20,040 | 那原因其實我要告訴你 |
| 00:05:20,040 | 00:05:22,040 | 因為民眾對於兩會 |
| 00:05:22,040 | 00:05:23,540 | 沒有信心 |
| 00:05:23,540 | 00:05:25,540 | 他找你他覺得沒有用啊 |
| 00:05:25,540 | 00:05:27,040 | 你也很清楚 |
| 00:05:27,040 | 00:05:29,040 | 在我們的鄉親手上 |
| 00:05:29,040 | 00:05:30,040 | 就有一個案 |
| 00:05:30,040 | 00:05:31,540 | 我們在225案件中 |
| 00:05:31,540 | 00:05:33,540 | 有60%的案件 |
| 00:05:33,540 | 00:05:34,540 | 經過 |
| 00:05:34,540 | 00:05:36,040 | 其實他們沒有回覆 |
| 00:05:36,040 | 00:05:38,040 | 經過我們其他管道查詢 |
| 00:05:38,040 | 00:05:39,040 | 也查到結果 |
| 00:05:39,040 | 00:05:41,040 | 也給我們家屬一個回覆 |
| 00:05:41,040 | 00:05:43,040 | 所以你不能說失靈 |
| 00:05:43,040 | 00:05:44,540 | 家屬要 |
| 00:05:44,540 | 00:05:45,540 | 所以你不能說失靈 |
| 00:05:45,540 | 00:05:46,540 | 值得幫助 |
| 00:05:46,580 | 00:05:48,580 | 很多被告的協助 |
| 00:05:48,580 | 00:05:49,580 | 對案騙面 |
| 00:05:49,580 | 00:05:50,580 | 不遵守協議 |
| 00:05:50,580 | 00:05:51,580 | 不通報 |
| 00:05:51,580 | 00:05:53,080 | 我們還是用我們的管道 |
| 00:05:53,080 | 00:05:54,580 | 我們在225案中 |
| 00:05:54,580 | 00:05:55,580 | 有134案 |
| 00:05:55,580 | 00:05:56,580 | 我們查到 |
| 00:05:56,580 | 00:05:57,580 | 人在哪裡了 |
| 00:05:57,580 | 00:05:58,580 | 很惜時間有限 |
| 00:05:58,580 | 00:05:59,580 | 所以你不能說 |
| 00:05:59,580 | 00:06:00,580 | 失靈沒有效 |
| 00:06:00,580 | 00:06:01,580 | 你剛剛問我數字 |
| 00:06:01,580 | 00:06:02,580 | 我要告訴你數字 |
| 00:06:02,580 | 00:06:04,580 | 所以你的數字就沒有效啊 |
| 00:06:04,580 | 00:06:05,580 | 怎麼會沒有效 |
| 00:06:05,580 | 00:06:06,580 | 還有 |
| 00:06:06,580 | 00:06:07,580 | 324件 |
| 00:06:07,580 | 00:06:08,580 | 134件 |
| 00:06:08,580 | 00:06:09,580 | 我們查到了 |
| 00:06:09,580 | 00:06:10,580 | 不要不要 |
| 00:06:10,580 | 00:06:11,580 | 所以不是沒有效 |
| 00:06:11,580 | 00:06:12,580 | 不要只看數字 |
| 00:06:12,580 | 00:06:14,580 | 你要看民眾的對照 |
| 00:06:14,580 | 00:06:15,580 | 數字是我講數字 |
| 00:06:15,620 | 00:06:16,620 | 後來我有講嘛 |
| 00:06:16,620 | 00:06:18,620 | 我說你實質上就沒有效 |
| 00:06:18,620 | 00:06:20,620 | 民眾的感受嘛 |
| 00:06:20,620 | 00:06:21,620 | 那我也講了 |
| 00:06:21,620 | 00:06:23,620 | 我們自己新竹縣鄉親 |
| 00:06:23,620 | 00:06:24,620 | 在我手上的問題 |
| 00:06:24,620 | 00:06:26,620 | 找你們就沒效嘛 |
| 00:06:26,620 | 00:06:27,620 | 好了 |
| 00:06:27,620 | 00:06:31,620 | 我們很積極去協助 |
| 00:06:31,620 | 00:06:32,620 | 也去現場探訪 |
| 00:06:32,620 | 00:06:33,620 | 一手關於的委員 |
| 00:06:33,620 | 00:06:35,620 | 那您用你的方式去協助 |
| 00:06:35,620 | 00:06:37,620 | 你也知道結果怎樣 |
| 00:06:37,620 | 00:06:38,620 | 那結果為我們碰到 |
| 00:06:38,620 | 00:06:40,620 | 是一個專制蠻橫的政府 |
| 00:06:40,620 | 00:06:42,620 | 我們沒有時間了 |
| 00:06:42,620 | 00:06:43,620 | 注意到這個協議 |
| 00:06:43,660 | 00:06:45,620 | 我們還繼續入委會 |
| 00:06:45,620 | 00:06:46,620 | 你們加油 |
| 00:06:46,620 | 00:06:48,620 | 因為民眾沒有辦法 |
| 00:06:48,620 | 00:06:50,620 | 得到你們實質的協助 |
| 00:06:50,620 | 00:06:51,620 | 好OK |
| 00:06:51,620 | 00:06:52,620 | 我要請警政署長 |
| 00:06:52,620 | 00:06:53,620 | 謝謝 |
| 00:06:59,620 | 00:07:00,620 | 委員好 |
| 00:07:00,620 | 00:07:01,620 | 署長好 |
| 00:07:01,620 | 00:07:03,620 | 那我們最近有這個 |
| 00:07:03,620 | 00:07:05,620 | AI身為的一個案件 |
| 00:07:05,620 | 00:07:06,620 | 聲音的 |
| 00:07:06,620 | 00:07:08,620 | 那本席想請教 |
| 00:07:08,620 | 00:07:10,620 | 我們政府到底有沒有一套 |
| 00:07:10,620 | 00:07:11,620 | 清楚 |
| 00:07:11,620 | 00:07:12,620 | 一致 |
| 00:07:12,620 | 00:07:13,620 | 一致性 |
| 00:07:13,620 | 00:07:16,620 | 不分政黨的法律標準 |
| 00:07:16,620 | 00:07:18,620 | 我們到底 |
| 00:07:18,620 | 00:07:20,620 | 什麼樣的情況下 |
| 00:07:20,620 | 00:07:22,620 | 應該這樣問 |
| 00:07:22,620 | 00:07:24,620 | 是不是所有 |
| 00:07:24,620 | 00:07:27,620 | 沒有經過當事人同意 |
| 00:07:27,620 | 00:07:29,620 | 的AI身為 |
| 00:07:29,620 | 00:07:31,620 | 不管影音 |
| 00:07:31,620 | 00:07:33,620 | 都是違法的 |
| 00:07:33,620 | 00:07:34,620 | 是的 |
| 00:07:34,620 | 00:07:35,620 | 是的 |
| 00:07:35,620 | 00:07:37,620 | 所以只要 |
| 00:07:37,620 | 00:07:38,620 | 那我請 |
| 00:07:38,620 | 00:07:39,620 | 我本席請教 |
| 00:07:39,620 | 00:07:41,620 | 要當事人舉報嗎 |
| 00:07:41,620 | 00:07:43,620 | 還是任何人看到都可以舉發 |
| 00:07:43,620 | 00:07:45,620 | 舉發我們就受理 |
| 00:07:45,620 | 00:07:47,620 | 所以任何人舉發都受理 |
| 00:07:47,620 | 00:07:49,620 | 好那本席接著問 |
| 00:07:49,620 | 00:07:51,620 | 那圖片呢 |
| 00:07:51,620 | 00:07:52,620 | 一樣啊 |
| 00:07:52,620 | 00:07:53,620 | 照片圖片一樣 |
| 00:07:53,620 | 00:07:55,620 | 這只要是語音圖片 |
| 00:07:55,620 | 00:07:57,620 | 如果有牽涉到身為 |
| 00:07:57,620 | 00:07:59,620 | 的這種狀況 |
| 00:07:59,620 | 00:08:01,620 | 或者是不實的這個情形 |
| 00:08:01,620 | 00:08:02,620 | 我們都會受理 |
| 00:08:02,620 | 00:08:04,620 | 那圖片照片 |
| 00:08:04,620 | 00:08:05,620 | 一樣 |
| 00:08:05,620 | 00:08:06,620 | 你說你的照片 |
| 00:08:06,620 | 00:08:07,620 | 一樣一樣 |
| 00:08:07,620 | 00:08:08,620 | 影音圖片 |
| 00:08:08,620 | 00:08:09,620 | 或者影帶 |
| 00:08:09,620 | 00:08:11,620 | 你的照片沒有經過你允許 |
| 00:08:11,620 | 00:08:12,620 | 他們就拿出來 |
| 00:08:12,620 | 00:08:14,620 | 公開做一些那個 |
| 00:08:14,620 | 00:08:15,620 | 一樣一樣 |
| 00:08:15,620 | 00:08:17,620 | 所以任何人都可以舉發嗎 |
| 00:08:17,620 | 00:08:18,620 | 只要是透過身為 |
| 00:08:18,620 | 00:08:19,620 | 這個是不實的這個情形 |
| 00:08:19,620 | 00:08:20,620 | 沒有啦不一定身為 |
| 00:08:20,620 | 00:08:22,620 | 你的照片直接 |
| 00:08:22,620 | 00:08:24,620 | 直接在螢幕 |
| 00:08:24,620 | 00:08:25,620 | 拍了你的照片 |
| 00:08:25,620 | 00:08:27,620 | 用你的照片去做任何事 |
| 00:08:27,620 | 00:08:29,620 | 我們會見識啊 |
| 00:08:29,620 | 00:08:31,620 | 會見識 |
| 00:08:31,620 | 00:08:33,620 | 會見識 |
| 00:08:33,620 | 00:08:34,620 | 喔 |
| 00:08:34,620 | 00:08:36,620 | 我跳出來問 |
| 00:08:36,620 | 00:08:37,620 | 你剛剛身為 |
| 00:08:37,620 | 00:08:38,620 | 就聲音影音 |
| 00:08:38,620 | 00:08:39,620 | 只要不是當事人 |
| 00:08:39,620 | 00:08:40,620 | 都是違法的嘛 |
| 00:08:40,620 | 00:08:41,620 | 你剛剛給我這個答案 |
| 00:08:41,620 | 00:08:42,620 | 是 |
| 00:08:42,620 | 00:08:43,620 | 那我現在說 |
| 00:08:43,620 | 00:08:44,620 | 你的照片 |
| 00:08:44,620 | 00:08:45,620 | 你看你常常在這邊 |
| 00:08:45,620 | 00:08:46,620 | 誰都可以拍你嘛 |
| 00:08:46,620 | 00:08:48,620 | 拍了你的照片之後 |
| 00:08:48,620 | 00:08:49,620 | 拿你的照片 |
| 00:08:49,620 | 00:08:50,620 | 沒有經過你同意 |
| 00:08:50,620 | 00:08:51,620 | 他隨便在網路上 |
| 00:08:51,620 | 00:08:52,620 | 用你的照片 |
| 00:08:52,620 | 00:08:53,620 | 不管他講什麼 |
| 00:08:53,620 | 00:08:54,620 | 有沒有違法 |
| 00:08:54,620 | 00:08:55,620 | 你去用圖是真的 |
| 00:08:55,620 | 00:08:56,620 | 有沒有違法 |
| 00:08:56,620 | 00:08:57,620 | 那你的這個是屬於身為 |
| 00:08:57,620 | 00:08:58,620 | 有沒有 |
| 00:08:58,620 | 00:08:59,620 | 那你這個照片 |
| 00:08:59,620 | 00:09:00,620 | 那你身為啦 |
| 00:09:00,620 | 00:09:01,620 | 就是直接拍你的照片 |
| 00:09:01,620 | 00:09:03,620 | 那當然這可能有牽涉到 |
| 00:09:03,620 | 00:09:04,620 | 各自的問題啦 |
| 00:09:04,620 | 00:09:05,620 | 有 |
| 00:09:05,620 | 00:09:06,620 | 我在問的是 |
| 00:09:06,620 | 00:09:07,620 | 有沒有違法 |
| 00:09:07,620 | 00:09:08,620 | 這個 |
| 00:09:08,620 | 00:09:09,620 | 這個照可能涉嫌 |
| 00:09:09,620 | 00:09:10,620 | 可能涉嫌違法 |
| 00:09:10,620 | 00:09:11,620 | 所以也可以告發 |
| 00:09:11,620 | 00:09:12,620 | 可以 |
| 00:09:12,620 | 00:09:13,620 | 好 |
| 00:09:13,620 | 00:09:14,620 | 那請問這一次 |
| 00:09:14,620 | 00:09:16,620 | 有關疑似總統的聲音的部分 |
| 00:09:16,620 | 00:09:19,620 | 那是總統去告發的 |
| 00:09:19,620 | 00:09:20,620 | 還是旁邊的人 |
| 00:09:20,620 | 00:09:21,620 | 這個是我們街市 |
| 00:09:21,620 | 00:09:23,620 | 街道檢舉的啊 |
| 00:09:23,620 | 00:09:25,620 | 所以我們當然就會起動 |
| 00:09:25,620 | 00:09:27,620 | 這一些的一個調查 |
| 00:09:27,620 | 00:09:28,620 | 好 |
| 00:09:28,620 | 00:09:29,620 | 那請問 |
| 00:09:29,620 | 00:09:31,620 | 已經移送檢察官了嗎 |
| 00:09:31,620 | 00:09:32,620 | 還沒 |
| 00:09:32,620 | 00:09:33,620 | 還沒移送 |
| 00:09:33,620 | 00:09:34,620 | 偵查中 |
| 00:09:34,620 | 00:09:35,620 | 還沒 |
| 00:09:35,620 | 00:09:36,620 | 還沒移送 |
| 00:09:36,620 | 00:09:37,620 | 偵查中 |
| 00:09:37,620 | 00:09:38,620 | 報警指揮檢察官 |
| 00:09:38,620 | 00:09:39,620 | 偵查中 |
| 00:09:39,620 | 00:09:40,620 | 還在偵查中 |
| 00:09:40,620 | 00:09:41,620 | 那 |
| 00:09:41,620 | 00:09:42,620 | 通常要移送 |
| 00:09:42,620 | 00:09:44,620 | 就是確定違法嗎 |
| 00:09:44,620 | 00:09:45,620 | 沒有 |
| 00:09:45,620 | 00:09:47,620 | 就是有可能犯罪的嫌疑 |
| 00:09:47,620 | 00:09:49,620 | 那我們才會把整個 |
| 00:09:49,620 | 00:09:52,620 | 相關的人啊或物證 |
| 00:09:52,620 | 00:09:53,620 | 蒐證完整 |
| 00:09:53,620 | 00:09:55,620 | 就是調查清楚後 |
| 00:09:55,620 | 00:09:56,620 | 再做移送 |
| 00:09:56,620 | 00:09:57,620 | 那現在 |
| 00:09:57,620 | 00:09:59,620 | 你們什麼時候接到報案的 |
| 00:09:59,620 | 00:10:00,620 | 20 |
| 00:10:00,620 | 00:10:02,620 | 發佈後多久 |
| 00:10:02,620 | 00:10:03,620 | 25 |
| 00:10:03,620 | 00:10:04,620 | 對 |
| 00:10:04,620 | 00:10:05,620 | 沒有吧 |
| 00:10:05,620 | 00:10:07,620 | 25號就是禮拜六 |
| 00:10:07,620 | 00:10:08,620 | 你是當天喔 |
| 00:10:08,620 | 00:10:09,620 | 725當天 |
| 00:10:09,620 | 00:10:10,620 | 禮拜六 |
| 00:10:10,620 | 00:10:12,620 | 當天早上接到報案 |
| 00:10:12,620 | 00:10:13,620 | 這可能行政局 |
| 00:10:13,620 | 00:10:14,620 | 才今天案件 |
| 00:10:14,620 | 00:10:15,620 | 他們 |
| 00:10:15,620 | 00:10:16,620 | 什麼時候中午 |
| 00:10:16,620 | 00:10:17,620 | 中午的時候 |
| 00:10:17,620 | 00:10:18,620 | 中午接到報案 |
| 00:10:18,620 | 00:10:20,620 | 你們速度蠻快的 |
| 00:10:20,620 | 00:10:21,620 | 一個小時內 |
| 00:10:21,620 | 00:10:23,620 | 就去找人家了 |
| 00:10:23,620 | 00:10:24,620 | 沒有啦 |
| 00:10:24,620 | 00:10:25,620 | 大概到 |
| 00:10:25,620 | 00:10:26,620 | 還是一點多去找他吧 |
| 00:10:26,620 | 00:10:27,620 | 不是 |
| 00:10:27,620 | 00:10:28,620 | 大概三四點的時候 |
| 00:10:28,620 | 00:10:29,620 | 三四點 |
| 00:10:29,620 | 00:10:31,620 | 那請教 |
| 00:10:31,620 | 00:10:33,620 | 這個情形 |
| 00:10:33,620 | 00:10:35,620 | 是不是適用在所有案例 |
| 00:10:35,620 | 00:10:36,620 | 還是只有總統 |
| 00:10:36,620 | 00:10:37,620 | 所有案例 |
| 00:10:37,620 | 00:10:38,620 | 那所以 |
| 00:10:38,620 | 00:10:39,620 | 所有案例都適合 |
| 00:10:39,620 | 00:10:40,620 | 所以今年年底是選戰 |
| 00:10:40,620 | 00:10:41,620 | 我想大家都很清楚 |
| 00:10:41,620 | 00:10:42,620 | 對啊 |
| 00:10:42,620 | 00:10:43,620 | 所以 |
| 00:10:43,620 | 00:10:44,620 | 選戰 |
| 00:10:44,620 | 00:10:45,620 | 所以 |
| 00:10:45,620 | 00:10:46,620 | 所以選戰 |
| 00:10:46,620 | 00:10:47,620 | 有類似的情況 |
| 00:10:47,620 | 00:10:49,620 | 你們警察都會 |
| 00:10:49,620 | 00:10:50,620 | 同一致的標準 |
| 00:10:50,620 | 00:10:51,620 | 一致的標準 |
| 00:10:51,620 | 00:10:52,620 | 然後 |
| 00:10:52,620 | 00:10:54,620 | 然後速度也一樣嗎 |
| 00:10:54,620 | 00:10:55,620 | 一樣 |
| 00:10:55,620 | 00:10:56,620 | 我要特別提醒一下 |
| 00:10:56,620 | 00:10:58,620 | 因為這樣有兩個部分 |
| 00:10:58,620 | 00:11:00,620 | 如果是在選舉期間 |
| 00:11:00,620 | 00:11:02,620 | 是屬於候選人後 |
| 00:11:02,620 | 00:11:03,620 | 的這種狀況 |
| 00:11:03,620 | 00:11:05,620 | 在選罷法是有規範 |
| 00:11:05,620 | 00:11:07,620 | 利用這個身為的狀況 |
| 00:11:07,620 | 00:11:08,620 | 使人不當選 |
| 00:11:08,620 | 00:11:11,620 | 是適用選罷法的這個規定 |
| 00:11:11,620 | 00:11:13,620 | 這個候選人可以 |
| 00:11:13,620 | 00:11:17,620 | 跟我們來報案申請鑑定 |
| 00:11:17,620 | 00:11:18,620 | 候選人可以來 |
| 00:11:18,620 | 00:11:19,620 | 你那個是選罷法 |
| 00:11:19,620 | 00:11:20,620 | 但是 |
| 00:11:20,620 | 00:11:22,620 | 任何人可不可以舉方 |
| 00:11:22,620 | 00:11:23,620 | 因為你剛才 |
| 00:11:23,620 | 00:11:24,620 | 可以啊可以舉方 |
| 00:11:24,620 | 00:11:25,620 | 只要他發現 |
| 00:11:25,620 | 00:11:27,620 | 怎麼跟我們劉部長的聲音很像 |
| 00:11:27,620 | 00:11:28,620 | 我聽到我就舉方 |
| 00:11:28,620 | 00:11:29,620 | 可以舉方 |
| 00:11:29,620 | 00:11:30,620 | 可以舉方 |
| 00:11:30,620 | 00:11:31,620 | 隨時可以舉方 |
| 00:11:31,620 | 00:11:33,620 | 然後你們也會用 |
| 00:11:33,620 | 00:11:34,620 | 一致的標準 |
| 00:11:34,620 | 00:11:35,620 | 標準是相同 |
| 00:11:35,620 | 00:11:36,620 | 那如果說 |
| 00:11:36,620 | 00:11:39,620 | 是屬於公訴範圍 |
| 00:11:39,620 | 00:11:41,620 | 我們當然是會依法來做偵查 |
| 00:11:41,620 | 00:11:43,620 | 如果是屬於告訴哪一任 |
| 00:11:43,620 | 00:11:45,620 | 不然我們會依據這個 |
| 00:11:45,620 | 00:11:47,620 | 當事人來做告發狀況 |
| 00:11:47,620 | 00:11:48,620 | 來做一個偵辦 |
| 00:11:48,620 | 00:11:49,620 | 好所以只要有人舉方 |
| 00:11:49,620 | 00:11:51,620 | 你們警察就會出動 |
| 00:11:51,620 | 00:11:52,620 | 是一定出動 |
| 00:11:52,620 | 00:11:53,620 | 一定出動 |
| 00:11:53,620 | 00:11:54,620 | 一定會出動 |
| 00:11:54,620 | 00:11:55,620 | 是一致的 |
| 00:11:55,620 | 00:11:57,620 | 那請問這一次出動以後 |
| 00:11:58,620 | 00:12:00,620 | 了解的情況是 |
| 00:12:00,620 | 00:12:03,620 | 因為現在已經在偵查 |
| 00:12:03,620 | 00:12:04,620 | 當然我也有提 |
| 00:12:04,620 | 00:12:06,620 | 我只是案件來再做調查 |
| 00:12:06,620 | 00:12:07,620 | 裡面的內容 |
| 00:12:07,620 | 00:12:09,620 | 我們就不必在這裡做公布 |
| 00:12:09,620 | 00:12:10,620 | 好 |
| 00:12:10,620 | 00:12:13,620 | 那所以我們希望 |
| 00:12:13,620 | 00:12:14,620 | 這個 |
| 00:12:14,620 | 00:12:16,620 | 你們在報告中也有特別寫 |
| 00:12:16,620 | 00:12:19,620 | 一定堅守行政中立 |
| 00:12:19,620 | 00:12:22,620 | 一定堅守行政中立 |
| 00:12:22,620 | 00:12:24,620 | 而且是依法行政 |
| 00:12:24,620 | 00:12:26,620 | 那但是我們也希望 |
| 00:12:26,620 | 00:12:28,620 | 這個你剛剛講 |
| 00:12:28,620 | 00:12:30,620 | 只要是 |
| 00:12:30,620 | 00:12:32,620 | 這個 |
| 00:12:32,620 | 00:12:34,620 | 比如說你刑事警察局的 |
| 00:12:34,620 | 00:12:36,620 | 鑑識已經出來了嗎 |
| 00:12:36,620 | 00:12:38,620 | 有 我們鑑識出來了 |
| 00:12:38,620 | 00:12:39,620 | 所以他那個算嗎 |
| 00:12:39,620 | 00:12:40,620 | 他有問題嗎 |
| 00:12:40,620 | 00:12:41,620 | 這個就不必在這個地方 |
| 00:12:41,620 | 00:12:43,620 | 也不能在這邊講 |
| 00:12:43,620 | 00:12:46,620 | 那我們不希望小老百姓 |
| 00:12:46,620 | 00:12:47,620 | 應該這樣講 |
| 00:12:47,620 | 00:12:48,620 | 我們在 |
| 00:12:48,620 | 00:12:51,620 | 我們法令我們都認同 |
| 00:12:51,620 | 00:12:52,620 | 但是 |
| 00:12:52,620 | 00:12:55,620 | 是不是也可以稍微對於政治上 |
| 00:12:55,620 | 00:12:57,620 | 因為政治常常有 |
| 00:12:57,620 | 00:12:59,620 | 不管模仿或什麼的這一塊 |
| 00:12:59,620 | 00:13:02,620 | 那這個部分我們也不希望 |
| 00:13:02,620 | 00:13:04,620 | 因為是總統 |
| 00:13:04,620 | 00:13:06,620 | 所以我們這個 |
| 00:13:06,620 | 00:13:08,620 | 年輕人或小老百姓 |
| 00:13:08,620 | 00:13:10,620 | 他的一個 |
| 00:13:10,620 | 00:13:15,620 | 行為受到這個不當的壓迫 |
| 00:13:15,620 | 00:13:16,620 | 不會 |
| 00:13:16,620 | 00:13:19,620 | 我們一定是尊重言論自由跟創造 |
| 00:13:19,620 | 00:13:20,620 | 好 所以你們 |
| 00:13:20,620 | 00:13:22,620 | 反正偵查不公開 |
| 00:13:22,620 | 00:13:24,620 | 什麼都不能講就對了 |
| 00:13:24,620 | 00:13:26,620 | 裡面的私事內容就不能 |
| 00:13:26,620 | 00:13:28,620 | 在這裡做公開 |
| 00:13:28,620 | 00:13:30,620 | 那我們請教一下 |
| 00:13:30,620 | 00:13:33,620 | 偽造文書的界線 |
| 00:13:33,620 | 00:13:35,620 | 不能只說聲音很像 |
| 00:13:35,620 | 00:13:37,620 | 這個判定是怎麼判定 |
| 00:13:37,620 | 00:13:39,620 | 那這個法律有做規範的 |
| 00:13:39,620 | 00:13:41,620 | 就是對於偽造騙照 |
| 00:13:41,620 | 00:13:44,620 | 那有關這個聲音也是這個 |
| 00:13:44,620 | 00:13:47,620 | 這些的一個相關 |
| 00:13:47,620 | 00:13:48,620 | 也是屬於 |
| 00:13:48,620 | 00:13:50,620 | 就是 |
| 00:13:50,620 | 00:13:53,620 | 私文書的一個一環 |
| 00:13:53,620 | 00:13:56,620 | 好 那我剛特別強調的就是 |
| 00:13:56,620 | 00:14:00,620 | 有人檢舉警方依法受理 |
| 00:14:00,620 | 00:14:03,620 | 那這個我們完全可以理解 |
| 00:14:03,620 | 00:14:05,620 | 但是政治言論案件 |
| 00:14:05,620 | 00:14:08,620 | 和一般的這個詐欺暴力 |
| 00:14:08,620 | 00:14:09,620 | 不太一樣 |
| 00:14:09,620 | 00:14:11,620 | 警察介入的本身 |
| 00:14:11,620 | 00:14:14,620 | 就可能造成了寒蟬效應 |
| 00:14:14,620 | 00:14:16,620 | 所以請問警政署 |
| 00:14:16,620 | 00:14:17,620 | 你現行有沒有一套針對 |
| 00:14:17,620 | 00:14:19,620 | 政治言論 |
| 00:14:19,620 | 00:14:21,620 | 新聞或諷刺創作 |
| 00:14:21,620 | 00:14:24,620 | AI合成內容案件的標準程序 |
| 00:14:24,620 | 00:14:25,620 | 有沒有 |
| 00:14:25,620 | 00:14:27,620 | 那我想大概就是 |
| 00:14:27,620 | 00:14:28,620 | 委員所提的就是 |
| 00:14:28,620 | 00:14:30,620 | 言論自由 創造 |
| 00:14:30,620 | 00:14:33,620 | 那這個顯然看起來就是說 |
| 00:14:33,620 | 00:14:34,620 | 這個是一個 |
| 00:14:34,620 | 00:14:36,620 | 可能是一個創造 |
| 00:14:36,620 | 00:14:37,620 | 是一個諷刺型的 |
| 00:14:37,620 | 00:14:40,620 | 或是一個動畫型的 |
| 00:14:40,620 | 00:14:42,620 | 一般民眾這樣 |
| 00:14:42,620 | 00:14:44,620 | 這個看起來 |
| 00:14:44,620 | 00:14:47,620 | 這是不是一個 |
| 00:14:47,620 | 00:14:49,620 | 類似身為的情形 |
| 00:14:49,620 | 00:14:51,620 | 那我想大概就是 |
| 00:14:51,620 | 00:14:54,620 | 大概就是屬於這個 |
| 00:14:54,620 | 00:14:55,620 | 委員所提的 |
| 00:14:55,620 | 00:14:57,620 | 大概就是屬於言論的這個部分 |
| 00:14:57,620 | 00:14:59,620 | 那像這個 |
| 00:14:59,620 | 00:15:02,620 | 從沒有這樣的一個狀況 |
| 00:15:02,620 | 00:15:05,620 | 就是只有言語上的這一些的 |
| 00:15:05,620 | 00:15:07,620 | 這個相關的內容 |
| 00:15:07,620 | 00:15:09,620 | 那可能牽涉到 |
| 00:15:09,620 | 00:15:12,620 | 這個與聲音的特定的這個狀況 |
| 00:15:12,620 | 00:15:14,620 | 如果有身為情形 |
| 00:15:14,620 | 00:15:16,620 | 可能就是有可能會牽涉到 |
| 00:15:16,620 | 00:15:19,620 | 牽涉到育越法律的這個狀況 |
| 00:15:19,620 | 00:15:20,620 | 我想再追問 |
| 00:15:20,620 | 00:15:24,620 | 對於高度敏感的政治言論案件 |
| 00:15:24,620 | 00:15:26,620 | 那你有沒有比一般案件 |
| 00:15:26,620 | 00:15:28,620 | 更嚴格的比例原則 |
| 00:15:28,620 | 00:15:30,620 | 和政治中立的程序 |
| 00:15:30,620 | 00:15:32,620 | 你警察當過 |
| 00:15:32,620 | 00:15:35,620 | 我們應該都是會依法來做查處 |
| 00:15:35,620 | 00:15:38,620 | 你如果沒有搜索票 |
| 00:15:38,620 | 00:15:41,620 | 因為我那天都沒有做搜索 |
| 00:15:41,620 | 00:15:42,620 | 沒有搜索 |
| 00:15:42,620 | 00:15:43,620 | 只是在查證說 |
| 00:15:43,620 | 00:15:44,620 | 因為 |
| 00:15:44,620 | 00:15:46,620 | OK沒有搜索票 |
| 00:15:46,620 | 00:15:48,620 | 也沒有下架的命令 |
| 00:15:48,620 | 00:15:51,620 | 也沒有明確的犯罪事證 |
| 00:15:51,620 | 00:15:53,620 | 那警察就適合到 |
| 00:15:53,620 | 00:15:55,620 | 創作者的住處來詢問 |
| 00:15:55,620 | 00:15:57,620 | 是否願意下架 |
| 00:15:57,620 | 00:15:59,620 | 我稍微稍微說明一下 |
| 00:15:59,620 | 00:16:01,620 | 就是說這一些的這個影片 |
| 00:16:01,620 | 00:16:03,620 | 國內有一些可能 |
| 00:16:03,620 | 00:16:04,620 | 我們受理到這個案件 |
| 00:16:04,620 | 00:16:07,620 | 很多大概都是從境外來的 |
| 00:16:07,620 | 00:16:09,620 | 就是這個狀況是從境外來 |
| 00:16:09,620 | 00:16:12,620 | 那境外的狀況在查集上就是 |
| 00:16:12,620 | 00:16:13,620 | 有一些困難度 |
| 00:16:13,620 | 00:16:15,620 | 那這個我們發現是境內 |
| 00:16:15,620 | 00:16:16,620 | 我們也發現說 |
| 00:16:16,620 | 00:16:19,620 | 這個賬號是不是會被冒用 |
| 00:16:19,620 | 00:16:21,620 | 我們在查證會被冒用 |
| 00:16:21,620 | 00:16:22,620 | 或這些影片 |
| 00:16:22,620 | 00:16:25,620 | 先做這樣的查訪的一個確診 |
| 00:16:25,620 | 00:16:27,620 | 所以所採取的動作 |
| 00:16:27,620 | 00:16:29,620 | 都沒有強制的作為 |
| 00:16:29,620 | 00:16:30,620 | 都沒有強制的這樣的作為 |
| 00:16:30,620 | 00:16:32,620 | 但是你警察出動這個對 |
| 00:16:32,620 | 00:16:34,620 | 你知道對一般人民 |
| 00:16:34,620 | 00:16:35,620 | 這就那種感受 |
| 00:16:35,620 | 00:16:36,620 | 好沒關係 |
| 00:16:36,620 | 00:16:38,620 | 因為時間關係 |
| 00:16:38,620 | 00:16:41,620 | 本席希望請警政署 |
| 00:16:41,620 | 00:16:43,620 | 是不是可以在一個月內 |
| 00:16:43,620 | 00:16:46,620 | 提出書面報告來說明 |
| 00:16:46,620 | 00:16:47,620 | 第一個 |
| 00:16:47,620 | 00:16:50,620 | 本案受理檢舉的法律依據 |
| 00:16:50,620 | 00:16:51,620 | 第二個 |
| 00:16:51,620 | 00:16:54,620 | 初步認定可能涉及何種犯罪 |
| 00:16:54,620 | 00:16:55,620 | 第三個 |
| 00:16:55,620 | 00:16:58,620 | 為何採取到住所查訪的方式 |
| 00:16:58,620 | 00:16:59,620 | 第四個 |
| 00:16:59,620 | 00:17:02,620 | 是否曾詢問或建議下架 |
| 00:17:02,620 | 00:17:03,620 | 第五個 |
| 00:17:03,620 | 00:17:06,619 | 誰做成這項決定 |
| 00:17:06,619 | 00:17:07,619 | 第六個 |
| 00:17:07,619 | 00:17:09,619 | 有無檢察官指揮 |
| 00:17:09,619 | 00:17:11,619 | 當然最重要第七個 |
| 00:17:11,619 | 00:17:13,619 | 未來如何避免政治言論案件 |
| 00:17:13,619 | 00:17:16,619 | 產生選擇性執法的疑慮 |
| 00:17:16,619 | 00:17:17,619 | 好不好 |
| 00:17:17,619 | 00:17:18,619 | 好沒關係 |
| 00:17:18,619 | 00:17:19,619 | 那就再麻煩你們 |
| 00:17:19,619 | 00:17:20,619 | 好謝謝 |