| IVOD_ID |
17075 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17075 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
黨團協商-2025112587 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-26T10:00:48+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-26T11:33:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
01:32:12 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2025-11-26T10:30:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院黨團協商（事由：一、研商「中央政府花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖災後重建特別預算案」案。二、研商「中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算及綜計表－營業及非營業部分」案（通案部分）。三、研商「公職人員選舉罷免法第五十七條條文修正草案」等案。（國民黨黨團提議）） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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10:00:48 - 11:33:00 |
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好 謝謝各位黨團幹部請坐各位列席官員請坐我們會議即將開始 |
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麻煩各位幹部請坐謝謝各位黨團幹部 謝謝各位列席官員我們會場能不能夠稍微保持一下保持一下次序好嗎 謝謝謝謝 這樣我們沒有辦法開會 |
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對 麻煩請各位列席的官員在隔壁在隔壁房間待命好嗎好 我們會場這樣有點凌亂 |
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好 謝謝 謝謝三個黨的黨團的幹部都已經分別有代表到現場 非常感謝大家今天我們 今天協商的題目有三個第一題是馬太安艷賽湖災後重建特別預算案第二題是114年度附屬單位預算案的通案部分第三題是選罷法修正案 我們會依序進行協商 |
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1945.351 |
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在進入主題討論之前我們先來介紹一下今天列席的各位官員首先我們歡迎行政院主席處陳主席長 歡迎內政部吳次長 歡迎原住民副主委古仲克賴方安 歡迎您經濟部賴次長 歡迎您交通部陳次長交通部陳次長 |
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1947.763 |
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1963.478 |
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好 農業部陳部長 歡迎您衛福部呂次長 歡迎您環境部沈次長 歡迎您好 謝謝針對馬太太 我們請 |
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1971.482 |
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那個第一題馬太安菸塞湖災後重建條例國民黨團所提案麻煩請國民黨團發言民進黨團請準備院長 秘書長 |
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1989.582 |
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2005.531 |
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柯總召 民進黨黨團三長民眾黨黨團三長各部會首長我想第一個今天我們要討論的議題是馬太恩西的重建條例也謝謝各政黨共同的協助跟幫忙 |
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2006.832 |
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能夠讓本條例在最短的時間得到三黨共同的簽署通過300億的重建條例那這300億的重建條例裡面現在行政院也先編列了270億的預算送到立法院來朝野一致來討論這個相關行政院所提出的內容 |
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2028.689 |
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那在這裡我們也希望大家一本一本過去對台灣各地地區有需要幫助的這些人民尤其在天然災害發生的時候這些災民我們要怎麼樣讓他重建家園恢復原有的生活 |
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而這些包括他們生活中這些必要的這些生財器具等等包括運輸車輛等等讓他們能夠能夠得到最大的協助支持跟幫忙讓他們能夠盡快的盡快的回復原有的生活我想今天大家應該都是同理心本著當時對丹納斯颱風丹納斯颱風 |
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2072.831 |
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重建條例一樣的心情當時我們全力朝野沒有任何異議一起來支持這個包括嘉義台南還有高雄屏東的這些災民我相信我們今天大家應該各政黨都一樣的同理心來支持這個光復馬太安西堰澀湖這個不幸事件的災後重建我也希望大家能夠一起盡快的把這些問題都能夠來解決 謝謝各位 |
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2101.826 |
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2103.81 |
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好 謝謝副總召麻煩請民進黨團發言台灣民眾黨團請準備院長 各位 |
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2110.479 |
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2132.309 |
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鄧總代表有關於今天的特別預算的協商我想各黨的意見都是差不多如此就是說應該讓它盡速來完成至於有些提案我想沒有問題的有些組結就照案通過就如此而已好 謝謝柯總召解明額要的說明台灣民眾黨團請發言 |
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2161.146 |
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在災禍這個重建 重塑 重優 重寬這個三黨應該都是一樣的民眾黨只有兩個重要的要求 一個是我們要求要公開透明 結果發現丹納斯風災的特別條例我在兩個禮拜前也問了工程會對不對整個建設竟然到現在都沒有完成網站上面的 |
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重建的計畫到現在都沒有完成所以我們會明確要求兩個月內請行政院長做專案報告這是第一個第二個就是我們會尊重部落的共識特別在中繼的安置方面好 詳細的內容等一下在主結議我們進一步的討論 謝謝好 謝謝 陳政委您要不要表達一下意見 請 |
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謝謝 當然是的部分網站是有但是那個執行紙計畫紙計畫可能有部分還在審沒有完成沒有放上去這個跟委員說不好意思那院長到院來說明 |
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2209.113 |
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2233.286 |
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這個特別條例的主管機關是工程會那就算行政院行政有一個專案彙報是由我擔任執行秘書所以是否需要院長到立法院來報告是不是可以修正一下看是有彙報的執行秘書或工程會來院報告應該是比較妥適 |
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2235.413 |
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2237.375 |
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是不是可以多一個禮拜就是這個 |
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2257.202 |
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2268.567 |
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主決於一嘛 是兩個禮拜是不是讓我們準備充分一點 三個禮拜內但會盡量在兩個禮拜之內來幫忙沒有沒有沒有 第一案沒有第一的沒有那個還不是第一案 |
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喔對 那個第四行 第五行 第五行 第四行最後就是完成三讀程序後三週內這個三個黨團沒意見 沒意見齁 沒意見好 呃 呃 當然在密很急啦但是如果 呃 我們工程會需要一些時間整理我們予以同意啦好 那我們就修正通過好 第二案請問主決議大家有沒有寶貴意見 |
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沒有意見我們就照案通過第三個組決議大家有沒有寶貴意見請陳政委來發言一下好嗎第三案主席 第三案因為 |
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2313.346 |
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2331.905 |
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這次馬灘驗射壺有超過一千輛的汽車還有這個機車都是報廢它不只是泡水而已都已經不能使用那原本我們透過監理單位去受理之後汽車的部分是酌補五萬 機車酌補一萬那的確是 |
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2336.549 |
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2336.849 |
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那再修正東西 |
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2360.707 |
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請這個政委能予以同意因為我想剛剛也跟院長也希望跟行政院協議因為我們還是回到災民我們就是協助災民不管在台灣的哪一個角落只要 |
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2377.495 |
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需要幫助在災害發生的時候他就是災民所以我們舉例來說在丹納斯颱風的時候嘉義台南 |
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2390.668 |
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嘉義台南有這麼多的這些災民尤其他的文往事這個一公頃大概需要將近一千萬去做重新的建置那當時台南跟嘉義的立委提出希望能夠補助八成國民黨第一時間全力支持我們希望就是同樣的同理心來支持所以是不是我們建議這每部汽車能夠補助 |
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這個50萬 這個汽車補助5萬那其他的這些殘障人士這些輔助的車輛能夠補助八成希望這個工程會能夠支持行政委員能夠支持 陳政委現在國民黨團提出這個修正的東西就是每部汽車50萬然後 沒關係 汽車5萬然後輔助車輛80%您有沒有寶貴意見請說然後宗嘉斌委員請準備是不是倒數第二行這裡 |
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維持生技之運輸車輛毀損來延益編列補貼預算那數字就這個汽車50萬機車5萬輔助也是5萬那這個就遵照副總召的意見但是增加延益兩個字我們比較好辦理就是延益編列那原則上我們會這樣進行嗎 |
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是嗎 可以 順暢辦理陳政委口頭已經爆勾 沒有問題我們就加言議兩個字好 請宗嘉賓文 請發言我們只是在問那個輔助車輛的意思啦現在聽懂了 因為輔助車輛有些殘障的 有些障礙的啦 都很需要好 謝謝陳政委的配合那我們就修正通過 好 謝謝我們進入第四案 再修正通過對 |
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請問各位黨團幹部針對第四案的再修正中有沒有寶貴意見 |
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有加御禮容院啦現在這樣子就是御禮加了一個兩個字可是院長我們都沒有拿到再修正勾印沒關係我現在給您不急我們現在來發號來請工作夥伴因為民進黨團柯總召三位三長因為是剛剛退伍會才拿來希望修正資料剛剛才簽名剛剛才簽名 |
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來 請請請對 就增加了玉里鳳林分院總長 |
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因為他這個加了預理但是前面還有說我們本特別預算預備金至少匡列五千萬額度我想這當然我們預算不能增列他沒有增列那是不是我們前面有原件請 |
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因為這樣子的話我們在實務上才不會變成說我們在預算審議權直接去限定了行政權但是我是覺得我們精神支持但是文字上根本原要求改成原件請本預算本特別預算預備金至少匡列5000萬額度 |
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好 嘉賓委員的意思是把要求改為建請那國民黨團也沒包括意見 提案黨團請謝謝因為這一次這個馬太安溪不幸事件因為當時發生的時候馬太安溪橋被整個推斷被強大的水流推斷所以呢花蓮的醫療 |
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醫療主要的醫學中心都在北區在花蓮市結果呢因為橋斷了以後這些傷患或是不幸罹難者要往北送都沒有辦法送所以呢變在地的這個台北榮苑鳳林分院跟玉里分院變成最主要的 |
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這個治療緊急舊傷的這個醫院那在當時就發現整體的醫療能量真的是需要再提升要需要再提升所以這次這個退伍會希望說這個部分能夠匡列部分的預算這個特別預算 匡列部分預算來提升 |
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台北榮業鳳林分醫院跟育理分醫院能夠提升他的醫療能量我們是表示支持好 這是等於也是協助退府會的嘛這也都非常好的事情嘛好 大家沒有意見我們就再修正通過好 謝謝我們第五決議第五的主決議大家有沒有意見沒有意見我們就通過照案通過有 第五稍待 |
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第五 台灣民眾黨團林益均委員有提一個再修正台灣民眾黨團張啟凱委員有沒有反對意見組協議的第五案主要是要落實所謂要離災可是不要離鄉所以我們明確的提案要求各個部會在執行這個條例的時候要落實五個原則第一個就是要建立一個制度化讓在地的這個族人特別是原住民要能夠參與 |
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第二個尊重部落的意見所以你在安置的時候要採取集中式的中繼屋讓原住民是可以離齋不離鄉另外呢中繼屋的設計你要納入他們的文化跟祭典的空間還有提供農牧的補償跟就業跟產業的輔助第五個是重建知性的透明化跟你採取在地的這個知識 謝謝好 那個原住民委員會請請 你要表達意見 請 |
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尊重部落共識 阿慶明明會報告我想我們中繼安置有幾個模式一個是中繼屋 還有租金補貼還有另外一個是我們部落共識的中繼方式所以我們在第二項建議是說 |
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前面加列尊重部落這四個字那安置採集中式中繼屋我們建議是得採集中式的中繼屋為什麼呢因為我跟委員報告我們在第一波的跟主任的調查裡面437戶裡面有209戶是有中繼屋需求不是每個都有中繼屋需求那209戶的中繼屋需求裡面 |
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要住在內政部裡面內政部的規劃的中繼屋裡面有65戶那需要部落集中安置的有33戶所以那要選擇這個租金補貼的有25戶所以族人他有很多樣的選擇那我想前面這段加列尊重部落共識那後面就如果要針對中繼屋的部分我們就是德採集中式的部分這樣建議就加德採那高金委員跟這 |
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還有鄭天才兩位原住民委員你們要不要簡短二要發言一下這跟你們似乎有很直接的關係簡短二要好不好 來請 |
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我覺得原民會剛剛股仲副作委所提的那個部分我們是得以支持那事實上部落裡面也真的的確是需要第一個集體的共識第二個原基法裡面本來就是有規定你如果不管是公共的設施或者是都是需要部落的同意那既然這個決議是部落裡面已經共同有決議多樣化的決定我們就尊重部落裡面的意見麻煩簡短二要請 |
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一句話就是我們這次的特別條例的第一條就有規定部落重建要依原住民族基本法來辦理好的 陳教授委員請要補充因為我們基本的精神也是要尊重族人的一個共識那剛剛因為我們本來是要求他們能夠 |
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就是顧慮到這樣子一個離災不離鄉的精神那剛剛那個副署長也有來特別說清楚因為他有依據啦他有做過調查的依據所以基本上那前面又加上尊重共識嘛因為本來我是希望得 但是要依照依照誰的他們的意見跟想法那他都做到 也有提供這個相關的調查數據所以我們就可以接受因為農民會報告得非常清楚我們尊重族人多樣化選擇好 陳政委請發言 |
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補充說明族人參與的部分我們現在昨天開會有決定這個行政院的專案匯報會邀請花蓮縣政府 花蓮縣議會還有光復 鳳林 萬榮三個鄉鎮長還有馬太安跟太巴郎部落阿托莫部落各推薦一個族人參與匯報的列席會議 |
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好 謝謝陳政委 原住民同胞感謝大家好 我們就再修正通過了 謝謝我們進入第六 主決議 滅議我們就召喚通過第七案 請各位黨團幹部看看有沒有意見第七案 張旗愷委員請發言第七案非常的重要 剛剛行政部門特別提說不好意思 不要一直不好意思進去啦 |
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我到今天的早上上了丹納斯颱風跟728豪雨災禍的那個重建的那個網站上面九大項五十三個子計畫一個都還沒上去原因是什麼工程會送上去之後行政院到現在沒有批 |
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依照法律的規定我們在總統公告之後就是8月19號公告之後兩個月內要完成整個資訊網站的建置結果就嚴重跳票了工程會已經送上去行政院把它擺在那邊你這樣怎麼落實讓一般的民眾可以看得到公開透明嚴格去監督每一分納稅錢跟重建的經費切實用在該用的地方我們在重建條例裡面明確的要求 |
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總統公告後兩個月內提出災害重建的計畫就我剛講的九大項五十三個子計畫全部都要清清楚楚而且每一個月要讓全民知道你的進度包括你預算執行了多少項目是什麼幫助了整個災民的重建跟復原結果已經跳票了將近一個月而且原因是什麼竟然是行政院到現在都沒有審耶所以現在網站大家點進去看 |
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到現在都還是跳票的所以我們明確的要求今天我們要過這個特別條例我剛剛講重塑 重觀 重檢幫助災民重建這個大家心都是一樣的我們會通過的 |
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可是基於丹娜絲的連整個那個紙計畫到現在都沒有上去所以我們明確地做了一個組結議的要求在兩個月內請行政院長他本來就要做這個事情嘛他規劃完 他批完之後行政院長就要知道這個事情啊另外補一個因為後面天才他們勝天才政委也提了一個類似的案子第十案啦 |
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大家的有志是一樣的就是說我們是通過這個特別預算而且要快可是我們要求公開透明而且要落實整個特別條例上面明定的所以我們明確的要求兩個月內請行政院長到立法院來做專案報告落實公開透明我們張啟凱委員講得很清楚陳政委請回答好嗎 謝謝 |
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這個53個子計畫呢因為這個主管機關是工程會工程會已經審慶了已經審過了而且發函給各部會執行的各部會可以已經可以動制預算了那還沒有完成最後程序我們是比較保守說完成之後再公告那麼現在也是可以公告審是審過了因為這個特別預算的 |
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特別條例主管機關是行政院的公共工程委員會已經審訊了而且請各部會可以執行預算了這特別跟委員說明啦張啟凱委員現在陳成偉講的就很清楚了已經開始嚴重違法這是在特別條例裡面明定要做的事情到現在都沒有所以行政院沒有公告啊臺灣民眾黨團張啟凱委員提了兩個月之內請行政院長專案向立法院來提出專案報告國民黨團跟民進黨團有沒有寶貴意見好 請鍾嘉斌委員請發言 |
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我們都知道目前有黨團提議要研會到明年的1月31號那我們算一算這兩個月那如果說沒有研會的話是會卡到明年1月 |
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那如果有研會的話那請衡量一下因為我們本院有很多重要的事項要審議所以才會研會所以我是覺得說剛剛那個工程會的主委已經表達了表達了說這些我們目的要他趕快去動手趕快去施工那報告的部分如果來跟我們專案報告還要佔用到我們本院研會如果是研會完成的話還要去處理我們本會的重要事項會不會考量一下這兩者我們的優先順序國民黨團請發言 |
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有沒有寶貴意見 沒有喔那剩下都是委員請好 關於第七案我要再強調一下到11月21號為止馬太安溪的這個堰塞湖口溢流口的左岸還有1億立方公尺的屠殺堆積在這個波面未來的地震 毫無疑造成的問題真是不可想像所以我們基本上其實這個案的另外一個主旨就是 |
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我本來是跨部會的 農業部 經濟部 環境部及行政公共工程委員會等相關主管要邀集地方政府共同協商並就雁山湖的體霸的安全性上游的土砂的去化 短期跟中環節治理規劃進度經費需求跟後續整理的這個治理策略等等那這個絕對是跨部會的啊 |
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我們這條的提案 請大家再看 就是麻煩再了解一下那這個部分 本來就是跨部會 行政院要擔負起責任所以我們希望行政院長要親自到立法院來做報告這個是我們的堅持 謝謝我知道大家對這個案都很關心 而且要求透明又快 |
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當然這個部分沒有行政院長來的道理啦這個主要是公共工程委員會所以這個不合體制那總之大家的心情都一樣趕快做好就好了柯永昭的意思就是他由公共工程委員會負責所以說兩個月之內由行政院長這個這樣子一個決議他們似乎有保留的意見張啟凱委員您覺得呢 |
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有兩個非常重要的重點一個就是馬灘INSEP |
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危險性還存在嘛對不對剛講的那麼多那麼多的那個土方還留在那個位置他說任何豪雨跟地震它都是危險的這事情第一個非常重要第一個是我剛提的就是因為法律案裡面明定現在是怎麼樣行政院跟民進黨團都把這個法律當據文是不是我們三讀通過了條文耶結果你們現在都不做而且他是要落實讓全民可以監督讓每一分錢真正用在 |
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重建跟復原上面那你跳票啦所以我們才明確要求行政院專報啊他非常的重要啊所以這個民眾黨團會非常的堅持 |
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那我想我們就先通過這個決議案反正到時候我先通過沒問題啊兩個月內嘛我知道我們先通過我們先通過通過之後到時候我們還有進一步還有協商我們到黨團之間還會有一個可以緩衝如果已經執行的非常順暢到時候我們看狀況好不好好我們主決先通過我們進入第八案各位請問有沒有寶貴意見各黨團沒有我們就照案通過第九主決第九案有沒有意見 |
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沒有意見我們就照案通過主席第十案 鄭天才委員要發言是吧沒有跟一樣 跟第一期一樣好 謝謝鄭天才委員我們照案通過 修正第十案有修正我們就再修正通過第十案修正通過修正通過在這裡 |
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好那現在第十案就修正通過第十一案 主決議大家有沒有寶貴意見沒有意見我們就照案通過好 謝謝第十二案報告院長 第十一案有修正後我們遵照辦理 |
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第十一案 委員有簽名就是我剛剛拿過來這個是吧 好好好十一案是鄭天 傅坤祺委員跟鄭天才會所提的再修正動議農業部沒意見嘛照那個 因為委員有說明修正後通過第十案 第十一案都是修正通過好 第十二案原住民委員會有意見是吧 請 |
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我知道 沒 沒關係 次長 請說明 根據修正動議 請顏銘 顏銘會報告因為 次長你講得非常好 來 大聲一點 來 謝謝因為第十二案 跟委員報告 第十二案跟第十三案是類似所以我們本來是建議說 十二案跟十三案併在一起 |
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那內容很多列舉的這些工作呢其實我們都有納入我們的重建計畫所以我們是建議一個文字修正就是把第十二第十三案的援助民族經濟復甦及產業提升編列的四千萬元接在這個1.9億元的後面然後我們然後後面這個有劃黃線的這個上訴重建機會就嚴明會去整齊是不是可以併在一起就好了不用列舉這麼多這個功項 |
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OK 市長的意思是把第十三案的這個第十二十三併案四千萬後面就把它劃掉併在十二案各位黨團幹部有意見嗎把十二案十三案併在一起把十三案的四千萬併在十二案這裡應該我想精神上是一致的沒有問題沒有問題我們就十二十三我們併案討論然後修正通過 好嗎市長你講得非常好 加油 |
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好第14第14案大家有沒有意見沒有意見我們就照案通過第15案大家有沒有寶貴意見 |
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國土署 請感謝委員的提案那事實上因為這一次的那個建築師的去做評估也是我們國土署這邊要求去做的那所以相關的出席費用都會由我們國土署的本預算公務預算就來支應就可以所以建議最後兩段文字直接不需要再去用到其他的預備金或保留額啦所以這個部分直接建議最後是兩段改成提供經費協助就可以 |
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那事實上我們已經統計好縣府已經把相關的費用都統計好 回報給我們我們最近就會撥款給縣府有 那國土署的意見就是說第15案從落實災禍這邊全部補完沒有 就最後兩段已預備進貨那個刪掉就直接改成提供經費協助就可以就改為提供經費協助請問各黨團幹部有沒有寶貴意見這我們都統計好要撥款 |
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經費協助是多少錢到目前是大概35萬左右截至目前為止已經報出來了那我們都有告訴他我們給多少我們都會給他好的 好 謝謝那第15萬我們就大家沒有意見我們就修正通過好嗎好 謝謝16號有修正水利署 |
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水利署這邊有沒有什麼意見 請發言好 報告院長 我們這邊建議因為相關的這些的預設的問題還有排水的 現在正在會刊所以我們建議在這個本提案的倒數第二行針對上述重建計畫逗號後面加兩個字 延役以預備金或30億的保留額保留額增加相關的補助經費 |
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好 謝謝經濟部報告各位黨團幹部他這邊就是倒數第二行加言議副總召請翻譯我在這裡啊要請各黨團我們一本良善因為剛剛鍾嘉賓幹事長有提到說我們盡量把這些提案主決議都加言議兩個字 |
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研議或建請因為建請案跟決議案是不一樣的所以呢我們希望還是能夠今天如果說不管現在是要那個現在國土署水利署是希望說加研議兩個字那我們現在是不管是用研議還是建請但是一定要做但是一定要做在文字上在文字上 |
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我們可以尊重民進黨團但是實質上一定要來 一定要來落實一定要來落實那個經濟部 這個都有我們都有那個開會我們都有錄音你要講做到 你一定要做到沒問題啦 經濟部長請 請表達意見可以加演繹 但是一定要做到相關的這個排水我們一定會做到改善的好 |
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就是主決議的內容你們要做到嘛文字上怎麼修正我們都尊重嘛尊重行政部門的建議加研議兩個字那你們要做到喔 可以嗎當然 泉水系統性的治理我們一定會做好那我們就同意我們就加研議我們修正通過好 各黨黨幹部沒有意見好 謝謝 |
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沒有意見我們照案通過第十八案農業部主管第十八 主決議大家有沒有意見沒有意見我們通過第十九 主決議有沒有意見有修正第十九農業部要不要提出報告 修正那個 第十八案部分齁 就是我們也知道 第十八案都過啦現在進入第十九 進十九啦 部長現在第十九了因為剛才 第十八案那個民眾可不可以改成農民啊 因為 |
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農業部處理的是農民 而不是民眾第十八案的一 二 三 四 五 倒數第五行民眾 改成農民對 有道理 部長講的有道理我們把它改為農民 第十八案我們修正通過 把民眾改為農民好 第十九案 部長請發言第十九案我遵照辦理 因為照修正的部分 |
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他把那個舊住的舊拿掉就是補住的限制補住限制就是把那個舊拿掉還是一樣精神不便好 謝謝我們第十九案謝謝主決議修正通過二十主決議農糧署所署單有意見嗎沒有意見我們照案通過二十一案農田水利署所有意見嗎沒有意見我們照案通過 |
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不是 第20案跟第21案我們都遵照那個副總召這邊的一個意見我們都會納入相關的一個補助那我們只是建議就是倒數的1 2 3 4行後面的部分增加的這些預算的部分因為我們在預算編列是足夠的所以就可以 是不是建議說可以不用寫這一段 |
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那就是可以做到就對了可以做到只是說後面的那個增加的那個數字這些經費的預算然後該做的事情他一樣都不會漏下我們都會遵照辦理因為這個部分我跟院長報告一下部會酬長也參考一下我們是把你主動把你另外的財源也先預留給你萬一在原有額度內不夠的時候我們還有一個還有一個 |
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30億元可以讓你來用因為300億是我們通過的但是行政室變成270所以呢在270的範圍內給你用之後我們還特別提醒有30億如果你270億範圍內不夠支應30億還可以用這對農業部是更加的支持啊你應該更好做事啊只會把這段拿掉了我想非常謝謝那個副總召的一個協助 |
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那相關的在院裡面特別有提到就是因為後續很多農庭的復建的時候那經費不足的時候院裡面就會去動資這個相關的費用所以沒有漢格嘛一樣是可以所以這個文字留下來嘛預留你未來有需要的時候把空間留給你了嘛 |
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部長會造成你心理上的負擔嗎總不會說院長不同意說271不夠用31不給你用吧所以我們在立法院是確認這個事情嘛就是把那個後面的預兵保留但是裡面寫的130除以705乘以360000這些數字劃掉因為這個是牽涉到比較詳細的這個數字那那個數字牽涉到面積的部分那可能會有一些變動 |
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陳部長的意思說預備金31這個沒有問題保留這個他完全可以接受把倒數第三行 第四行第三行第四第五農民團體之農地納入農地整範圍上述預算13750乘以36000這個等於6638萬這個這個劃掉沒問題吧我想這個沒有你一個保留31他也接受啦 |
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因為這個是牽扯到面積啊130公頃是面積但是他有31保留給農業部啊對這是甜蜜的負擔啊你還這個還有什麼好反對的應該開心才對啊是沒問題啊OK好謝謝我們修正通過 |
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21修正21也是一樣就是我們要遵照相關的然後倒數123456改成那個農水署改成農業部因為是農業部主責的那這邊31保留還是一樣啊跟上一段一樣對 然後那個有關於那個數字的部分也先劃掉這樣 |
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副董知道很簡單 這個案子跟上面這個案子二十三一樣 他就把那些細數的數字把它取消掉 三十一保留他同意 這樣好嗎這應該問題對農糧署這邊改為農業部改為農業部 好修正通過 謝謝我們進入二十二衛福部主決議大概一件OK |
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不好意思 來大家看一下修正22案22部要補充意見嗎 請 |
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OK 主席還有在座各位委員先進 大家好衛福部在這邊是不是可以建議倒數第三行可以再增加了解其健康需求評估所需健康檢查項目這是一個還有倒數第二個要求衛福部研議等等就是增加研議兩個字以上兩點 謝謝行政部門特別偏愛研議兩個字羅志強委員請發言 |
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我想特別說明一下因為實際上這次的那個馬太安溪艷澀湖我們自己到現場看過這個我們的公共衛生的基礎的建設幾乎是全毀啦所以其實對居民的這個健康安全威脅是非常大的 |
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加上我們這整個重建的工程三到六年的工期各項不等那這麼長期的一個工程的污染其實對居民的身體健康影響很大所以我們特別這個提案是希望能夠涵蓋它的所謂的那個 |
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健康檢查的一個補助所以我希望主管機關還是能夠以所謂的災民健康需求為最主要的考量那至於說這個修正意見的話看看總長這邊有沒有什麼補充副總長請發言那個衛福部因為你改成這樣子變成我們極其擔心民眾的健康 |
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這是不能打折的你改這個文字對這件事情有更大的幫忙嗎我們實在看不出來我們並看不出來而且我們是提出這樣的一個國會的決議在原有預算範圍內 |
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300億的範圍內我們通過的條例的範圍內讓你們有這個餘力去守護人民的健康畢竟沒有一個家庭願意六年單在風飛沙這樣的一個生活環境裡在一個大的工區裡面六年每一天面對風飛沙所以我們希望說這個文字不要再做任何修正照原案通過了解 好 |
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那個 衛福部 各位民進黨團 台灣民眾黨團 都尊重 都同意國民黨團的意見嗎邦委 是不是可以讓我們增加那個言義兩個字好不好 稍待一下 請兩位讓您發言我想非常感謝委員對於我們災區民眾的健康的一個關心這也是我們共同目標啦那我們是不是這樣就簡單我們是不是就以言 就再增加言義兩個字好不好 |
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其他都不修 只有在預備已經或三十一前面加研議兩個字那那個次長所有這些要能做的工作一項都不能漏掉喔我們剛才上面幾個行政單位加研議我們都有這個但書你這個因為我們這有錄音我們這有錄音的 這個不能到時候跳票黃牛喔這要對災區對災區所有的民眾的健康剛剛傅坤吉總召跟羅志強委員所要求的 |
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對民眾的健康陳培議員請發言主席謝謝我只是要請衛福部再次確認因為剛剛衛福部有說本來富坤崎總召這邊提的是健檢的全額補助可是你們希望是依健康需求而評估這個部分可不可以再跟國民黨團確認一次就是到底所謂的全額健檢補助跟依照其健康需求之間的差異我覺得可能一般民眾如果過去沒有健檢習慣 |
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可能也真的不是搞得很清楚所以可不可以請衛福部這邊再做說明那至於研議的部分我想行政單位已經承諾會處理也會進行那是不是就拜託提案的委員可以這個空間寫研議 謝謝 |
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其實到時候衛福部會下去跟災區面對面的溝通如何辦好一個健康檢查如何有六年的保障這應該就不是 對 我知道這應該就不是我們黨團要關切我們黨團要關切就是加了延宜兩個字 |
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那衛福部能不能夠確實落實這樣的一個政策就這麼簡單我們是不是請國健署檢要非常檢要國健署請發言國健署這邊我們對於這個就是民眾這邊也有提供在像癌症篩檢或成人健康檢查部分所以我們也會特別針對在災區部分那因為他所需要的這個工程那會影響健康那跟我們的這個當地災區這邊那衛生局這邊去做一個溝通了解到 |
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他們的需求然後來做適且再增加的這個健康檢查項目所以說確定會落實執行就對了好的那這樣應該就沒有問題副總召應該沒有 阿清謝謝院長那個衛福部我們再強調一下 |
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在災區在豐飛沙的災區裡面也是一個大的一個工程區域範圍內闔家要在那裡生活六年甚至超過六年在這種環境之下今天我們是把這些要命的錢把它匡列起來給你們來使用讓你們去照顧人民的健康 |
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這文字都很清楚啊那至於你們就應該要落實現在院長只是問你們能不能落實要加演繹兩個字能不能落實因為你都在講一些枝枝節節我們都聽不是很懂的那些之前本來就你們該做的事情不需要放在這個文字上這個是關於預算的文字 |
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而不是你們在講要怎麼了解需求那本來就是你們該做的事情今天是匡預算給你使用你要落實執行 院長在請教您是要落實執行加研議兩個字你能不能落實執行好 謝謝衛福部真實懇切的答覆謝謝衛福部一定會落實好 謝謝22案我們就修正通過我們就加研議23案修正 |
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因為我們今天不好意思不好意思今天號第23案修正請問衛福部有沒有意見衛福部提一個就是積極協助申請專案補助這個提案黨團國民黨團有沒有寶貴意見可否接受積極協助我還是要強調一下 |
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因為衛福部這個起叫衛福部剛剛各部會都沒有像你們這樣在玩文字遊戲什麼叫積極你們平常做事不積極嗎是只有這件事打算要積極嗎 |
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就落實就好了嘛 就你能不能落實嘛可以就好了嘛 那你加積極幹什麼呢那我們就不要修正啦就落實研議啦好不好一定啦 我們包圍我們一定的權利啦衛福部一定全力來 |
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我們演繹落實這樣好不好所以積極協助改為落實演繹那照傅坤祺總召的邏輯平常都不落實嗎 |
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主席他的言議是放在倒數第三行原要求啦建請啦 那就是建請嘛就改成建請就好了嘛 前面就落實就好啦就把原要求改為建請前面就是落實就好啦那都不變這應該沒問題啦 這應該沒問題好 我們就把原要求改為建請抱歉 院長齁我們再一句話就好因為只有衛福部 |
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在公眾上有一些障礙齁那你現在 語言齁 健勤齁你們會不會落實啊會啦 要落實啦會齁這樣麻煩你壓一下麥克風你現在是無聲狀態齁請問一下你會不會落實一定 一定落實好好好 OK謝謝您二十他要求要改健勤 |
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對 其他不變 只有把原要求改為建請對 衛福部也承諾會做到嘛好 修正通過二十四案 衛福部請表達一些 謝謝OK 了解 OK包主席 我們是不是可以 就真的 要求衛福部會同相關機關 |
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延益會同相關機關延益因為簡單來說因為現在這裡面會簽到經濟部跟農業部土石流的部分是農業部然後還有另外衛福部的意見就是說針對前面再加會同相關機關針對上述災害計畫延益預備金30億保留額增加相關補助是 沒錯是這樣子嗎 謝謝我們媒體還要再問一次 |
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那你演繹會不會落實 會會 好 好 OK好 謝謝 錄影存證 謝謝這次有錄影錄影 好 謝謝次長 |
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熱情真誠的回答 好修正二十四案修正通過我們進入二十五案 衛生部請報告委員 報告主席跟委員我們本案因為我們是不是可以讓我們的經費在整個使用上面能夠更符合彈性那這個部分我們是不是請我們社會公司副市長來跟會上做一個報告 謝謝 |
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主席委員那謝謝委員的一個提案有關委員針對這個社會支持那包含個案管理家庭支援那返家服務跟社會的支援的一些能力的部分那本部都非常的認同那其實呢我們也已經跟我們的縣府公所我們有做跨司署做這個相關這個重建跟復原社區方案的一個提報那我們是在思考說 |
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有關委員的提的一個項目我們其實都已經有涵蓋那我們這邊都沒有刪除任何委員所提建議的提醒的一些執行的方案項目那只是有關於這個每一個方案要執行多少錢經費的部分那我們希望說可以讓經費更符合實際的需求那也兼具這個彈性的一個使用所以我們這邊建議的是有關於每一個項目所提的像240萬400萬這些的一個經費的一個刪除那其餘的都遵照 |
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委員的一個建議上次意思就是說不要硬邦邦的把阿拉伯數字扣進去要保留所有的項目黨團幹部要不要寶貴的意見 請發言因為這個本來就是很硬邦邦的數字我們今天討論就271不是硬邦邦的數字嗎那我們怎麼可能說啊 那可能是可能會花到一千億還是兩千億 |
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所以一定會有數字嘛送預算書來當然會有數字我們今天審議的就是數字嘛給你這些錢去用你不夠的話後面還有30億嘛所以這寫得很完整可能因為今天來參加草野協商都是比較高層這是花蓮縣政府的社會處都已經衛生局都已經跟相關單位基層都溝通過了 |
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所以都有詢問的數字 不然他不會憑空跑出來的所以我們就讓他順利通過讓衛福部的基層也比較好來執行民進黨團好 宋大兵委員請其實我們都認為災區的資源各部會要請全力去協助那只是說我們這裡還是體力上 |
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因為這個增加社會支持計畫這個本來衛福部就要做那它有四個項目那因為四個項目當時我們在預算在審查的時候它的金額都有寫那現在我們認為這個主決議是認為說這個金額還要再增加 |
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我是覺得這個金額要再增加寫出來就跟我們在預算審議的時候不為得為增加預算支出這決議有違啦所以我是覺得說可不可以把這個組決議符合體力要求他們強化這四大支持啦 |
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因為你這樣寫下去喔因為我們之前的預算審查金額都通過了那現在我們等於是說把原來預算審查通過的金額這邊透過主決在增加這個是在審查體力上是不太但是我們認同這個精神要強化要強化但是金額寫出來會造成那個我們預算不能為增加支出之決議啦鄭天才文請發言 |
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因為特別條例已經明訂是300億然後行政院只送270億所以所以我這邊才會說現在的經費有所不足的話第一個預備金第二個你可以再提意思說你可以再送可以再送的意思沒有說要現在要跟你加 |
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這就從頭到尾都沒有增加預算這在我們通過的條例我還在強調每次都講一次在300億以內的我們條例通過是300億這一次送來是270億還有30億的預備金未來還可以使用的 |
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那這裡面包括270億裡面的15億的第一倍金還包括未來還有擴充還有擴充的30億嘛對不對那大家都是在法理規範的範圍態度內嘛所以我覺得我們現在這個只是讓行政單位比較有所遵循因為我們不可能給他一張空白授權不可能給他一張空白授權那到底金額是多少對不對 |
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市長其實應該是可以遵照辦理的這應該沒有問題嘛好不好市長說可以的市長是可以嗎報告主席還有非常感謝那個真的是總召真的是對這個問題非常非常關心那我想現在是這樣我們現在目前我想實際因為社會知識這一定是整個災厄統計非常重要的一環而且我們的金額 |
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我們金額呢應該會比現在目前這個應該還會更高啦那你現在目前就是說你現在訂這個的話我覺得這樣太這個我們一定會會全力來來推啦是啦 院長我想院長也很忙啦那我們這樣子啦衛福部是不是齁你剛剛已經承諾比這個金額高嘛對那既然比這個金額高那我們現在這個這個範圍可以先拿掉沒有關係你在這裡你講囉 |
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副董事長我會追到底市長這有錄音錄影再提醒一下你有這樣正面表達我們就正面接受副董事長請看最後一句話增加相關補助經費所以一定會增加 |
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在範圍內我們通過的這個範圍內通過的這個範圍內因為畢竟還有預備金嘛還有30億的擴充空間嘛在這個範圍內當然可以提當然可以提增加嘛還是要送預算來啊其實各黨的幹部真的沒有衝突大家想法都是非常好而且衛福部也有善意的回應那我們這個案子就修正通過好不好修正通過 |
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沒有沒有問題我們就照案通過27組決議大家的意見嗎 |
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那27案的這個主決議的提出是因為馬太安西這個災變之後我們的專業藥學立委跟我們的志工團隊都在第一時間就抵達現場那我們希望能夠發揮一下我們這個就是照顧救助災民的這樣的一個做法那當時的物資包括藥品也都進到這個災區來可是我們的發現就出了問題依現行的法規 |
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可能会出现一到三天的空窗期那个时候会遇到很多的问题所以我们提出了这样的一个主决议第一个我要请教卫福部的那个药品药品可不可以用捐助的这是第一个第一个问题因为捐助后就要开始管理要统筹嘛不然你捐一点我捐一点那其实药品整个重合起来我们到底要哪些药品怎么样使用 |
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那第二個我要問的是說因為災變 災區的居民他們會面臨一個藥品中斷甚至外傷等等就是有新的問題在出現那這個時候如果沒有全員進駐包括醫師還沒有辦法進駐到位的時候那我們要是有專業可不可能就是說在這個情況下怎麼樣跟不同於一般規範的方式讓我們先行幫助災民那第三個因為有出現新的問題在救災的這個包括志工 國軍 |
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他們可能在因為那個環境下有一些呼吸不適過敏頭痛等問題那有一些藥過去確實是屬於處方藥那這些如果說要讓藥學的繼續來幫有專業的證照的人來去幫忙可不可能在災區的那段時間那個某個縣地的地區有一些比較彈性的做法 |
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那其實針對災害的藥品我們已經有一個藥物樣品證明管理辦法他是可以來做捐贈這個行為的那另外藥品有相關的分級那在OTC的部分在那個指示藥的部分我們現在也有解熱症痛抗過敏等等的藥品所以我們會這個案子我們會遵照辦理 |
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研議相關的災害藥品補助的質疑我們就是受到現行的法規約制啊我們衛福部遵照辦理好 那27組決議他通過了好吧 他遵照辦理就好了嘛好 謝謝衛福部今天壓力大 謝謝謝謝主席 謝謝 |
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5279.15 |
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跟各位黨團報告一下我們第一題協商現在有黨團協商結論的草稿議事委員長的草稿會發下去可以的話我們就請各黨邊簽字黨團幹部簽字謝謝列席第一階段列席的官員請問28也一樣遵照辦理嗎28在後前 好 謝謝28也一樣啊只有27啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
5281.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
5306.584 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
我們已經講了遵照辦理他遵照辦理他已經講了好 那個協商結論我念一遍給各位黨團幹部聽一下我們協商主題延昌中央政府花蓮馬太安西菸塞湖災後重建特別預算案協商結論一 協商通過內容如後付由財政委會整理於照聯席會審查 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
5308.786 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
5328.405 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
一審查結果通過 送各黨團確認於十月二十七號 星期四下午三點前送議事處本案願會完成三讀之後各黨團同意不再提出附議當次會議我們不再處理臨時提案本次協商各項提議均與刊登公報記錄請各黨團幹部同意的話請簽字好嗎 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
5332.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].end |
5356.997 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
好 我們要繼續進入第二案114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業及非營業部分協商提案會診表第一案有修正 台灣民眾黨團提出了修正請台灣民眾黨團請發言如果沒有意見 各黨團沒有意見我們就修正通過 好嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
5360.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
5381.217 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
好 民進黨團 國民黨團都同意我們第一案修正通過我們進入第二組決議由台灣民眾黨團所提出國民黨團 民進黨團請問有沒有寶貴意見沒有意見沒有意見 有沒有意見沒有意見 我們就照案通過 好 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
5384.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
5399.552 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
我們現在通案決議我們兩個主席都通過了好 謝謝各位黨團幹部我們等一下先寫上結論另外其他部分我們令哲祺來寫上 謝謝我們進入第三案選罷法 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
5413.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
5415.115 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
好 我们进入选罢法 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
5456.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
5470.971 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
沒有沒有沒有 我們進入選罷法我們看到12點 還有30分鐘沒有沒有 你再忍耐一下 這個案子都已經協商我們發公文都已經通知大家了好好 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
5477.526 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
5495.703 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
當然各黨團希望能夠擇期再來討論那我們今天就跟各黨團幹部協商到此為止我們後續的議題我們繼續擇期來協商謝謝各位黨團幹部 謝謝各位列席官員也謝謝各位工作夥伴 謝謝 散會 |