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廖先翔 @ 第11屆第5會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:07,000 | 好 謝謝主席 麻煩邀請我們邱主委 |
| 00:00:07,000 | 00:00:16,000 | 主委早 每次都你來 |
| 00:00:16,000 | 00:00:25,000 | 剛剛其實在包括許中信委員的諮詢 |
| 00:00:25,000 | 00:00:30,000 | 其實許委員的政治立場 大家心裡大概都有個印象 |
| 00:00:30,000 | 00:00:33,000 | 包括我們陸委會最近一直在做一些 |
| 00:00:33,000 | 00:00:38,000 | 附陸交流或者是陸旅遊非常危險的一些宣傳 |
| 00:00:38,000 | 00:00:44,000 | 但是我們國人附陸的人數卻不斷的攀升 |
| 00:00:44,000 | 00:00:46,000 | 我覺得故中的原因 |
| 00:00:46,000 | 00:00:48,000 | 我覺得陸委會可以好好思考 |
| 00:00:48,000 | 00:00:50,000 | 我們到底是在做陸委會應該做的事情 |
| 00:00:50,000 | 00:00:54,000 | 還是單純在幫民進黨做意志形態的宣傳 |
| 00:00:54,000 | 00:00:56,000 | 我覺得您可以思考 |
| 00:00:56,000 | 00:00:59,000 | 我先跟您請教一個數學題 |
| 00:00:59,000 | 00:01:01,000 | 我們陸委會的資料 |
| 00:01:01,000 | 00:01:05,000 | 14年通報人數每月18人 |
| 00:01:05,000 | 00:01:08,000 | 那115年平均每月16人 |
| 00:01:08,000 | 00:01:11,000 | 這個看起來差不多啦 |
| 00:01:11,000 | 00:01:13,000 | 沒有明顯的上升 但也沒有明顯的下降 |
| 00:01:13,000 | 00:01:16,000 | 在統計學來說可能是誤差範圍內 |
| 00:01:16,000 | 00:01:23,000 | 但是我們附陸的人次14年整年度大概是323萬 |
| 00:01:23,000 | 00:01:27,000 | 那115年上半年1到6月大概就280萬了 |
| 00:01:27,000 | 00:01:31,000 | 那附陸的人次大概提升了25%左右 |
| 00:01:31,000 | 00:01:35,000 | 那在這個平均每月人數不變的情況下 |
| 00:01:35,000 | 00:01:39,000 | 但是母數也就是附陸人數增加的情況下 |
| 00:01:39,000 | 00:01:41,000 | 那這樣子通報人數的比例 |
| 00:01:41,000 | 00:01:43,000 | 今年是不是比去年還低 |
| 00:01:43,000 | 00:01:45,000 | 數學題喔 數學題 |
| 00:01:45,000 | 00:01:48,000 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:01:48,000 | 00:01:50,000 | 如果是數學題的話 |
| 00:01:50,000 | 00:01:52,000 | 我們在疫情之前 |
| 00:01:52,000 | 00:01:54,000 | 我們去中國大陸的人 |
| 00:01:54,000 | 00:01:58,000 | 高達630萬 |
| 00:01:58,000 | 00:02:00,000 | 那時候我們還沒有通報這個系統嘛 |
| 00:02:00,000 | 00:02:03,000 | 我們也是歡迎大家通報 |
| 00:02:03,000 | 00:02:07,000 | 我們這兩年比較補成安全的案例不多 |
| 00:02:07,000 | 00:02:11,000 | 疫情前到2013年到2014年是增加的 |
| 00:02:11,000 | 00:02:13,000 | 沒關係 我就先照你的論述講 |
| 00:02:13,000 | 00:02:15,000 | 但是2014年到2015年 |
| 00:02:15,000 | 00:02:17,000 | 就是去年到今年 |
| 00:02:17,000 | 00:02:21,000 | 去年的這個附陸通報失聯的比例 |
| 00:02:21,000 | 00:02:23,000 | 是降低的沒錯吧 |
| 00:02:23,000 | 00:02:27,000 | 呃 比例 是吧 |
| 00:02:27,000 | 00:02:29,000 | 因為今年還沒有完喔 |
| 00:02:29,000 | 00:02:31,000 | 到目前為止嘛 |
| 00:02:31,000 | 00:02:33,000 | 平均當然是16 |
| 00:02:33,000 | 00:02:35,000 | 人數差不多嘛 |
| 00:02:35,000 | 00:02:37,000 | 去年是18就差不多 |
| 00:02:37,000 | 00:02:39,000 | 這個我想一個客觀的資訊 |
| 00:02:39,000 | 00:02:41,000 | 為什麼我剛剛會這樣子指控 |
| 00:02:41,000 | 00:02:42,000 | 你或許不認同 |
| 00:02:42,000 | 00:02:44,000 | 但是為什麼會這樣子指控 |
| 00:02:44,000 | 00:02:46,000 | 你們當成一個民進黨 |
| 00:02:46,000 | 00:02:50,000 | 政治的一個抗中保台的傳聲筒而已 |
| 00:02:50,000 | 00:02:52,000 | 這是我的指控 |
| 00:02:52,000 | 00:02:53,000 | 那你當然可以否認 |
| 00:02:53,000 | 00:02:55,000 | 那就是一些客觀的資訊 |
| 00:02:55,000 | 00:02:56,000 | 你們沒有去充分的一個接漏 |
| 00:02:56,000 | 00:02:58,000 | 比例其實是下降的 |
| 00:02:58,000 | 00:02:59,000 | 那當然不是說比例下降 |
| 00:02:59,000 | 00:03:00,000 | 就沒有風險 |
| 00:03:00,000 | 00:03:02,000 | 剛剛主委講任何一個人 |
| 00:03:02,000 | 00:03:03,000 | 有發生的事情 |
| 00:03:03,000 | 00:03:05,000 | 都是一個家庭的重大的負擔或者破碎 |
| 00:03:05,000 | 00:03:06,000 | 這我認同啦 |
| 00:03:06,000 | 00:03:11,000 | 那我來看一下我們的統計案件的 |
| 00:03:11,000 | 00:03:13,000 | 這個案件的類型統計啦 |
| 00:03:13,000 | 00:03:17,000 | 招限制人身自由大概就是超過一半嘛 |
| 00:03:17,000 | 00:03:19,000 | 那其中大部分都是知道原因的 |
| 00:03:19,000 | 00:03:22,000 | 涉嫌詐騙案件134 |
| 00:03:22,000 | 00:03:24,000 | 其他刑事案件158人 |
| 00:03:24,000 | 00:03:26,000 | 這些都是很明確的去觸犯到 |
| 00:03:26,000 | 00:03:28,000 | 當地的法律可能跟政治無關 |
| 00:03:28,000 | 00:03:29,000 | 是是 |
| 00:03:29,000 | 00:03:31,000 | 那所以說我們如果會把這個統計進來 |
| 00:03:31,000 | 00:03:34,000 | 你是認為到一個國家或者是地區 |
| 00:03:34,000 | 00:03:35,000 | 去犯罪 |
| 00:03:35,000 | 00:03:38,000 | 比如說詐騙或者是涉及刑事案件 |
| 00:03:38,000 | 00:03:40,000 | 被當地的司法部門關押 |
| 00:03:40,000 | 00:03:42,000 | 就叫做風險嗎 |
| 00:03:42,000 | 00:03:44,000 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:03:44,000 | 00:03:46,000 | 這些在中國大陸 |
| 00:03:46,000 | 00:03:48,000 | 像今天的主題叫私聯 |
| 00:03:48,000 | 00:03:50,000 | 像第一類的通報私聯 |
| 00:03:50,000 | 00:03:52,000 | 這個你還不至於 |
| 00:03:52,000 | 00:03:53,000 | 我們等一下再討論 |
| 00:03:53,000 | 00:03:55,000 | 這個私聯的數字 |
| 00:03:55,000 | 00:03:56,000 | 在這幾個月明顯升高 |
| 00:03:56,000 | 00:03:57,000 | 我就問你 |
| 00:03:57,000 | 00:04:00,000 | 我們把詐騙涉及刑事案件統計進來了 |
| 00:04:00,000 | 00:04:02,000 | 是不是你也認為到一個國家一個地區 |
| 00:04:02,000 | 00:04:03,000 | 我們今天不能不講大陸 |
| 00:04:03,000 | 00:04:05,000 | 到日本到美國 |
| 00:04:05,000 | 00:04:08,000 | 我們因為詐騙或涉及其他刑事案件 |
| 00:04:08,000 | 00:04:10,000 | 被關押也叫做旅遊風險嗎 |
| 00:04:10,000 | 00:04:11,000 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:04:11,000 | 00:04:13,000 | 包括我剛剛的報告 |
| 00:04:13,000 | 00:04:15,000 | 還有內政部的報告 |
| 00:04:15,000 | 00:04:16,000 | 就是說中國大陸 |
| 00:04:16,000 | 00:04:19,000 | 制定了非常多國家安全的法律 |
| 00:04:19,000 | 00:04:20,000 | 那我們 |
| 00:04:20,000 | 00:04:22,000 | 詐騙是國家安全嗎 |
| 00:04:22,000 | 00:04:24,000 | 其他刑事案件 |
| 00:04:24,000 | 00:04:27,000 | 其他刑事案件也多達58例 |
| 00:04:27,000 | 00:04:28,000 | 對啊 |
| 00:04:28,000 | 00:04:30,000 | 還有包括宗教的13億 |
| 00:04:30,000 | 00:04:32,000 | 那這個可能都是涉及 |
| 00:04:32,000 | 00:04:34,000 | 觸犯了中國大陸剛制定的 |
| 00:04:34,000 | 00:04:36,000 | 這些國家安全法律 |
| 00:04:36,000 | 00:04:38,000 | 但你明確的寫國安的就一人嗎 |
| 00:04:38,000 | 00:04:39,000 | 沒有 |
| 00:04:39,000 | 00:04:41,000 | 其他的涉及宗教或其他刑事的 |
| 00:04:41,000 | 00:04:42,000 | 都有可能 |
| 00:04:42,000 | 00:04:45,000 | 因為他是用各種的刑法來判 |
| 00:04:45,000 | 00:04:46,000 | 所以 |
| 00:04:46,000 | 00:04:47,000 | 各個部分是有 |
| 00:04:47,000 | 00:04:49,000 | 我建議你要涉及到剛剛 |
| 00:04:49,000 | 00:04:51,000 | 可能包括你們陸委會或內政部 |
| 00:04:51,000 | 00:04:53,000 | 條例的什麼反獨22條 |
| 00:04:53,000 | 00:04:55,000 | 什麼之類的反國家分類法的 |
| 00:04:55,000 | 00:04:56,000 | 這當然是國安案件啊 |
| 00:04:56,000 | 00:04:58,000 | 那我就統計到國安案件 |
| 00:04:58,000 | 00:04:59,000 | 你怎麼用在其他刑事案件 |
| 00:04:59,000 | 00:05:00,000 | 他的歸屬 |
| 00:05:00,000 | 00:05:01,000 | 他放在他的友辦 |
| 00:05:01,000 | 00:05:03,000 | 或者是宗教案件 |
| 00:05:03,000 | 00:05:05,000 | 你會覺得去 |
| 00:05:05,000 | 00:05:06,000 | 這個 |
| 00:05:06,000 | 00:05:07,000 | 不要講伊朗好了 |
| 00:05:07,000 | 00:05:08,000 | 這個不可能 |
| 00:05:08,000 | 00:05:09,000 | 大家認為比較獨裁極權國家 |
| 00:05:09,000 | 00:05:10,000 | 到 |
| 00:05:10,000 | 00:05:12,000 | 沙烏地阿拉伯其實也是啦 |
| 00:05:12,000 | 00:05:13,000 | 其實也是 |
| 00:05:13,000 | 00:05:14,000 | 你會 |
| 00:05:14,000 | 00:05:15,000 | 我們的外交部會認為說 |
| 00:05:15,000 | 00:05:16,000 | 到沙烏地阿拉伯 |
| 00:05:16,000 | 00:05:19,000 | 去做這個基督教或 |
| 00:05:19,000 | 00:05:20,000 | 簽署教的傳教 |
| 00:05:20,000 | 00:05:22,000 | 因此受到司法的調查 |
| 00:05:22,000 | 00:05:24,000 | 叫做旅遊風險嗎 |
| 00:05:24,000 | 00:05:25,000 | 是 |
| 00:05:25,000 | 00:05:26,000 | 客廳委員報告 |
| 00:05:26,000 | 00:05:27,000 | 您剛剛提到的宗教案件 |
| 00:05:27,000 | 00:05:28,000 | 目前23件都是用 |
| 00:05:28,000 | 00:05:30,000 | 中共刑法300條來判 |
| 00:05:30,000 | 00:05:33,000 | 所以他就統統納入到這個刑事 |
| 00:05:33,000 | 00:05:34,000 | 對 |
| 00:05:34,000 | 00:05:35,000 | 就是說這個就是當地國家的 |
| 00:05:35,000 | 00:05:36,000 | 一個法令 |
| 00:05:36,000 | 00:05:37,000 | 這可能跟剛剛我們 |
| 00:05:37,000 | 00:05:38,000 | 條列式的 |
| 00:05:38,000 | 00:05:39,000 | 懲讀22條 |
| 00:05:39,000 | 00:05:41,000 | 或者是反國家分裂法 |
| 00:05:41,000 | 00:05:42,000 | 或者是你們講的 |
| 00:05:42,000 | 00:05:44,000 | 民族團結法等等的 |
| 00:05:44,000 | 00:05:46,000 | 有關係嗎 |
| 00:05:46,000 | 00:05:48,000 | 我們正在看這些法令 |
| 00:05:48,000 | 00:05:50,000 | 所以才回到為什麼 |
| 00:05:50,000 | 00:05:52,000 | 為什麼國人不買單 |
| 00:05:52,000 | 00:05:54,000 | 為什麼附陸的人數還是增加 |
| 00:05:54,000 | 00:05:55,000 | 因為他們沒有把我們陸委會 |
| 00:05:55,000 | 00:05:56,000 | 他們認為我們陸委會 |
| 00:05:56,000 | 00:05:57,000 | 沒有在做正事 |
| 00:05:57,000 | 00:05:59,000 | 我們所公布的一個訊息 |
| 00:05:59,000 | 00:06:00,000 | 都是在超過一些 |
| 00:06:00,000 | 00:06:02,000 | 我們在陳平時候 |
| 00:06:02,000 | 00:06:04,000 | 去中國大陸 |
| 00:06:04,000 | 00:06:06,000 | 我們國人附陸是超過600萬 |
| 00:06:06,000 | 00:06:08,000 | 那現在您剛剛說的 |
| 00:06:08,000 | 00:06:09,000 | 只有323萬 |
| 00:06:09,000 | 00:06:10,000 | 還是有很多人 |
| 00:06:10,000 | 00:06:12,000 | 是有一些疑慮 |
| 00:06:12,000 | 00:06:14,000 | 不過要跟委員報告的是 |
| 00:06:14,000 | 00:06:16,000 | 我們這些統計 |
| 00:06:16,000 | 00:06:18,000 | 是其他刑事案件 |
| 00:06:18,000 | 00:06:20,000 | 我們這些案件的統計 |
| 00:06:20,000 | 00:06:22,000 | 並不是委員說的 |
| 00:06:22,000 | 00:06:24,000 | 阻止交流 |
| 00:06:24,000 | 00:06:26,000 | 在抗中保財 |
| 00:06:26,000 | 00:06:27,000 | 這不是這個原因 |
| 00:06:27,000 | 00:06:29,000 | 我們只是讓國人 |
| 00:06:29,000 | 00:06:30,000 | 你跟國人說 |
| 00:06:30,000 | 00:06:31,000 | 你因為去那邊大陸 |
| 00:06:31,000 | 00:06:35,000 | 附陸人身安全的趨勢風險是高的 |
| 00:06:35,000 | 00:06:36,000 | 你要你去 |
| 00:06:36,000 | 00:06:39,000 | 因為我們的憲法不會限制國人去 |
| 00:06:39,000 | 00:06:42,000 | 但是你去你要知道這個風險高 |
| 00:06:42,000 | 00:06:43,000 | 你不要想直接一點 |
| 00:06:43,000 | 00:06:44,000 | 去大陸不能做詐騙 |
| 00:06:44,000 | 00:06:45,000 | 不然會被關 |
| 00:06:45,000 | 00:06:46,000 | 會不會被抓 |
| 00:06:46,000 | 00:06:48,000 | 你要聽重當地定的法律 |
| 00:06:48,000 | 00:06:50,000 | 但是當地的法律也有很多 |
| 00:06:50,000 | 00:06:53,000 | 很容易被刑事 |
| 00:06:53,000 | 00:06:55,000 | 關心的涉國安案件 |
| 00:06:55,000 | 00:06:57,000 | 我不曉得您可不可以在這邊做說明 |
| 00:06:57,000 | 00:06:59,000 | 這些國安案件我覺得是 |
| 00:06:59,000 | 00:07:01,000 | 最符合我們剛講的一些 |
| 00:07:01,000 | 00:07:03,000 | 他們近期的修法 |
| 00:07:03,000 | 00:07:05,000 | 您能夠做一些說明嗎 |
| 00:07:05,000 | 00:07:06,000 | 還是不方便 |
| 00:07:06,000 | 00:07:09,000 | 這一件因為家屬的緣故 |
| 00:07:09,000 | 00:07:11,000 | 我可以私底下去跟你說明 |
| 00:07:11,000 | 00:07:12,000 | 不方便公開講 |
| 00:07:12,000 | 00:07:14,000 | 那我想其實為什麼網路上 |
| 00:07:14,000 | 00:07:15,000 | 有大家很多的言語 |
| 00:07:15,000 | 00:07:18,000 | 因為最近的這麼多的通報案件 |
| 00:07:18,000 | 00:07:22,000 | 402件都沒有家屬出來開記者會 |
| 00:07:22,000 | 00:07:24,000 | 或者去找一些國際的人權團體 |
| 00:07:24,000 | 00:07:25,000 | 去做聲援 |
| 00:07:25,000 | 00:07:27,000 | 這過去我們可以看到很多 |
| 00:07:27,000 | 00:07:28,000 | 包括李明哲案 |
| 00:07:28,000 | 00:07:29,000 | 包括副查案 |
| 00:07:29,000 | 00:07:31,000 | 因為政治案件附錄 |
| 00:07:31,000 | 00:07:32,000 | 而遭到到不法 |
| 00:07:32,000 | 00:07:35,000 | 司法調查或羈押的案件 |
| 00:07:35,000 | 00:07:37,000 | 媒體報導非常的多 |
| 00:07:37,000 | 00:07:39,000 | 為什麼這402件都沒有 |
| 00:07:39,000 | 00:07:40,000 | 那就是大家在懷疑 |
| 00:07:40,000 | 00:07:42,000 | 這402件到底是什麼 |
| 00:07:42,000 | 00:07:44,000 | 大家攤開來一看 |
| 00:07:44,000 | 00:07:46,000 | 詐騙其他刑事案件 |
| 00:07:46,000 | 00:07:49,000 | 我們當作附錄交流的一個風險 |
| 00:07:49,000 | 00:07:50,000 | 謝謝 也謝謝 |
| 00:07:50,000 | 00:07:51,000 | 現在就是大家 |
| 00:07:51,000 | 00:07:53,000 | 我們這個陸委會的一些 |
| 00:07:53,000 | 00:07:54,000 | 剛剛的說法 |
| 00:07:54,000 | 00:07:55,000 | 我覺得很重要 |
| 00:07:55,000 | 00:07:57,000 | 為什麼家屬沒有出來 |
| 00:07:57,000 | 00:07:59,000 | 我覺得很多的家屬 |
| 00:07:59,000 | 00:08:01,000 | 都是擔心他的家人還在大陸 |
| 00:08:01,000 | 00:08:03,000 | 他如果出來的話 |
| 00:08:03,000 | 00:08:04,000 | 李明哲就不擔心嗎 |
| 00:08:04,000 | 00:08:06,000 | 副查就不擔心嗎 |
| 00:08:06,000 | 00:08:08,000 | 過去大家都很喜歡講 |
| 00:08:08,000 | 00:08:10,000 | 希望受到國際社會給壓力 |
| 00:08:10,000 | 00:08:13,000 | 現在突然國際社會不給壓力了嗎 |
| 00:08:13,000 | 00:08:14,000 | 不幫忙了嗎 |
| 00:08:14,000 | 00:08:17,000 | 有些是我們要尊重家屬 |
| 00:08:17,000 | 00:08:19,000 | 跟當事人的意願 |
| 00:08:19,000 | 00:08:21,000 | 當然我尊重這樣的說法 |
| 00:08:21,000 | 00:08:22,000 | 我沒辦法求證 |
| 00:08:22,000 | 00:08:23,000 | 我沒辦法求證 |
| 00:08:23,000 | 00:08:24,000 | 那我相信你們也不會偽造資料 |
| 00:08:24,000 | 00:08:26,000 | 但是裡面的案件內情 |
| 00:08:26,000 | 00:08:28,000 | 可以認為可以討論的地方 |
| 00:08:28,000 | 00:08:30,000 | 是非常的多 |
| 00:08:30,000 | 00:08:32,000 | 國務委員我要跟你們報告 |
| 00:08:32,000 | 00:08:35,000 | 您的質疑我們有兩點 |
| 00:08:35,000 | 00:08:38,000 | 第一個我們還是要提醒國人風險 |
| 00:08:38,000 | 00:08:39,000 | 畢竟這個案例 |
| 00:08:39,000 | 00:08:42,000 | 或是他來跟我們報案的數字 |
| 00:08:42,000 | 00:08:43,000 | 居高不下 |
| 00:08:43,000 | 00:08:45,000 | 第二個是重點 |
| 00:08:45,000 | 00:08:47,000 | 就是我們要促使中共當局 |
| 00:08:47,000 | 00:08:49,000 | 落實相關機制 |
| 00:08:49,000 | 00:08:50,000 | 我支持 |
| 00:08:50,000 | 00:08:52,000 | 有法律法通報 |
| 00:08:52,000 | 00:08:54,000 | 要通報 |
| 00:08:54,000 | 00:08:56,000 | 要尊重他們的司法人權 |
| 00:08:56,000 | 00:08:57,000 | 但是我目前看不出來 |
| 00:08:57,000 | 00:08:58,000 | 剛剛我們講了 |
| 00:08:58,000 | 00:09:00,000 | 因為我們修了很多的法令 |
| 00:09:00,000 | 00:09:02,000 | 大陸修了很多的法令 |
| 00:09:02,000 | 00:09:04,000 | 告訴大家附陸費大的風險 |
| 00:09:04,000 | 00:09:06,000 | 但就我目前來看可能就是 |
| 00:09:06,000 | 00:09:08,000 | 因為有些人國安檢 |
| 00:09:08,000 | 00:09:10,000 | 然後我們就把他講的 |
| 00:09:10,000 | 00:09:11,000 | 下落還沒定 |
| 00:09:11,000 | 00:09:12,000 | 很可怕 |
| 00:09:12,000 | 00:09:13,000 | 包括四年的 |
| 00:09:13,000 | 00:09:15,000 | 包括其他的刑法涉及的 |
| 00:09:15,000 | 00:09:18,000 | 有關這個統計 |
| 00:09:18,000 | 00:09:21,000 | 就402的總統機案件是 |
| 00:09:21,000 | 00:09:23,000 | 113到115 |
| 00:09:23,000 | 00:09:24,000 | 那這個是現況嗎 |
| 00:09:24,000 | 00:09:27,000 | 還是過程當中已經有人找到了 |
| 00:09:27,000 | 00:09:28,000 | 跟我們報告 |
| 00:09:28,000 | 00:09:31,000 | 其實他實際的狀況都不大在改變 |
| 00:09:31,000 | 00:09:33,000 | 畢竟有的一定回來的 |
| 00:09:33,000 | 00:09:35,000 | 現在有的有些私聯人數 |
| 00:09:35,000 | 00:09:36,000 | 或者是還在遭自由盤查 |
| 00:09:36,000 | 00:09:38,000 | 或者是仍然遭到關押的人數 |
| 00:09:38,000 | 00:09:40,000 | 你現在可以提供資料嗎 |
| 00:09:40,000 | 00:09:43,000 | 這個部分我們還會再進一步統計 |
| 00:09:43,000 | 00:09:44,000 | 因為我們只是針對 |
| 00:09:44,000 | 00:09:46,000 | 當事後報案的情況 |
| 00:09:46,000 | 00:09:47,000 | 做一些整結 |
| 00:09:47,000 | 00:09:48,000 | 那你怎麼會當初報案 |
| 00:09:48,000 | 00:09:50,000 | 如果說你有做事後的追蹤去找 |
| 00:09:50,000 | 00:09:52,000 | 你應該要知道現況有多少 |
| 00:09:52,000 | 00:09:54,000 | 你怎麼知道有報到人 |
| 00:09:54,000 | 00:09:55,000 | 我們會有 |
| 00:09:55,000 | 00:09:57,000 | 只不過我們要突出一個事實 |
| 00:09:57,000 | 00:09:59,000 | 第一個呼籲國人要注意 |
| 00:09:59,000 | 00:10:01,000 | 這個明顯風險是提升的 |
| 00:10:01,000 | 00:10:04,000 | 第二個還是要讓對岸知道 |
| 00:10:04,000 | 00:10:06,000 | 我希望我們要發揮既有的結果 |
| 00:10:06,000 | 00:10:08,000 | 公開的資料也把現況 |
| 00:10:08,000 | 00:10:10,000 | 私聯到底現在有多少人是私聯 |
| 00:10:10,000 | 00:10:12,000 | 如果說我們把中華民國 |
| 00:10:12,000 | 00:10:14,000 | 這幾年來私聯的人數都統計下來 |
| 00:10:14,000 | 00:10:17,000 | 去年就2萬3了 |
| 00:10:17,000 | 00:10:19,000 | 對不對比這個比例還高 |
| 00:10:19,000 | 00:10:21,000 | 萬分之一比這個比例還高 |
| 00:10:21,000 | 00:10:23,000 | 難道就真的2萬3千人不見了 |
| 00:10:23,000 | 00:10:24,000 | 會有找到的嗎 |
| 00:10:24,000 | 00:10:26,000 | 實際上現在還有多少人是找不到的 |
| 00:10:26,000 | 00:10:27,000 | 還是什麼情況 |
| 00:10:27,000 | 00:10:29,000 | 我覺得這應該也要公告 |
| 00:10:29,000 | 00:10:30,000 | 好不好 |
| 00:10:30,000 | 00:10:34,000 | 那另外很多人都說到大陸很危險 |
| 00:10:34,000 | 00:10:35,000 | 除了可能被關押之外 |
| 00:10:35,000 | 00:10:37,000 | 可能有活摘器官的問題 |
| 00:10:37,000 | 00:10:39,000 | 有沒有收到通報過 |
| 00:10:39,000 | 00:10:40,000 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:10:40,000 | 00:10:44,000 | 我們一直現在的旅遊警示維持宣示 |
| 00:10:44,000 | 00:10:45,000 | 對我知道宣示 |
| 00:10:45,000 | 00:10:48,000 | 有沒有人通報被活摘器官的 |
| 00:10:51,000 | 00:10:53,000 | 你以前有收到過嗎 |
| 00:10:53,000 | 00:10:55,000 | 我們沒有收到這個 |
| 00:10:55,000 | 00:10:56,000 | 沒有收到過 |
| 00:10:56,000 | 00:10:58,000 | 有人都非常的擔心 |
| 00:10:58,000 | 00:11:01,000 | 希望未來也是把它揭露出來 |
| 00:11:01,000 | 00:11:02,000 | 如果有的話 |
| 00:11:02,000 | 00:11:03,000 | 我也會很擔心 |
| 00:11:03,000 | 00:11:04,000 | 大家都會很擔心 |
| 00:11:04,000 | 00:11:06,000 | 那最後抱歉沒時間了 |
| 00:11:06,000 | 00:11:09,000 | 我覺得我不希望我們 |
| 00:11:09,000 | 00:11:11,000 | 兩岸當然是現在的關係怎麼樣 |
| 00:11:11,000 | 00:11:13,000 | 有些是政治的問題 |
| 00:11:13,000 | 00:11:16,000 | 我會說可能馬英九時代 |
| 00:11:16,000 | 00:11:17,000 | 為什麼可以不用兵兇戰壕 |
| 00:11:17,000 | 00:11:18,000 | 為什麼現在民眾的時代 |
| 00:11:18,000 | 00:11:20,000 | 但有些這個就會變成政治的吵架 |
| 00:11:20,000 | 00:11:22,000 | 但是我不希望我們陸委會 |
| 00:11:22,000 | 00:11:23,000 | 變成一個放羊的孩子 |
| 00:11:23,000 | 00:11:25,000 | 兩岸當然是有風險的 |
| 00:11:25,000 | 00:11:27,000 | 但是我們不斷的去傳輸一些 |
| 00:11:27,000 | 00:11:30,000 | 過大的可能不夠周全的資訊 |
| 00:11:30,000 | 00:11:34,000 | 或者是蓄意堆出來的風險的時候 |
| 00:11:34,000 | 00:11:35,000 | 當國人忽視了 |
| 00:11:35,000 | 00:11:37,000 | 未來真的有風險發生的時候 |
| 00:11:37,000 | 00:11:38,000 | 那時候我們的陸委會 |
| 00:11:38,000 | 00:11:39,000 | 就變成放羊的孩子了 |
| 00:11:39,000 | 00:11:41,000 | 不會有人在乎 |
| 00:11:41,000 | 00:11:43,000 | 或者是重視我們陸委會 |
| 00:11:43,000 | 00:11:44,000 | 所發布的一個警訊 |
| 00:11:44,000 | 00:11:45,000 | 我也希望說陸委會 |
| 00:11:45,000 | 00:11:47,000 | 你身為一個主任委員 |
| 00:11:47,000 | 00:11:48,000 | 謝謝 |
| 00:11:48,000 | 00:11:49,000 | 謝謝委員 |
| 00:11:49,000 | 00:11:50,000 | 不要變成放羊的孩子 |
| 00:11:50,000 | 00:11:51,000 | 跟您報告 |
| 00:11:51,000 | 00:11:53,000 | 兩岸關係可能跌宕起伏 |
| 00:11:53,000 | 00:11:56,000 | 但是我們的政策重中之重 |
| 00:11:56,000 | 00:11:59,000 | 還是重視國人的安危 |
| 00:11:59,000 | 00:12:00,000 | 我希望未來真的風險巨生的時候 |
| 00:12:00,000 | 00:12:02,000 | 我們陸委會所提出的風險 |
| 00:12:02,000 | 00:12:03,000 | 不會再被國人忽視 |
| 00:12:03,000 | 00:12:04,000 | 而不是現在什麼都 |
| 00:12:04,000 | 00:12:05,000 | 丟什麼訊息出來的時候 |
| 00:12:05,000 | 00:12:07,000 | 大家都當作一個反應 |
| 00:12:07,000 | 00:12:09,000 | 反後消遣聊天的一個話題而已 |
| 00:12:09,000 | 00:12:10,000 | 這不消遣 |
| 00:12:10,000 | 00:12:12,000 | 我們2017年像李明哲事件 |
| 00:12:12,000 | 00:12:15,000 | 那時候我們看到相關案件很少 |
| 00:12:15,000 | 00:12:18,000 | 我們用全國都在關心李明哲 |
| 00:12:18,000 | 00:12:21,000 | 結果現在有402件類似的案件 |
| 00:12:21,000 | 00:12:23,000 | 李明哲都做大片 |
| 00:12:23,000 | 00:12:24,000 | 李明哲都做大片 |
| 00:12:24,000 | 00:12:25,000 | 就這樣謝謝主委 |
| 00:12:25,000 | 00:12:26,000 | 謝謝 |