| IVOD_ID |
17072 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17072 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-26T08:36:25+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-26T12:00:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:23:35 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/36ea84fecb5e2c7d7463483e5582b68504ab94a2e0b3ded32f3470759024727badbc68601424cf905ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
(變更議程)立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查土地法：(一)委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等22人擬具「土地法第十四條條文修正草案」案。(二)委員傅崐萁等 17 人擬具「土地法第一百九十五條條文修正草案」案。(三)委員賴士葆等 27 人擬具「土地法第九十七條條文修正草案」案。(四)委員陳超明等 16人擬具「土地法第二十五條條文修正草案」案。二、審查原住民身分法：(一)委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具「原住民身分法第二條條文修正草案」案。(二)委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等18人擬具「原住民身分法部分條文修正草案」案。(三)委員郭國文等16人擬具「原住民身分法修正草案」案。(四)委員林宜瑾等22人擬具「原住民身分法第十一條條文修正草案」案。(五)委員高金素梅等17人擬具「原住民身分法刪除第十一條條文草案」案。(六)委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等20人擬具「原住民身分法第七條條文修正草案」案。(七)委員黃仁等19人擬具「原住民身分法第二條條文修正草案」案。(八)委員黃仁等18人擬具「原住民身分法第七條條文修正草案」案。【原住民身分法第(七)及第(八)案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書則不予審查。】【11月26日及27日二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:36:25 - 12:00:00 |
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請主任秘書報告出席人數現在開會進行報告事項請宣讀上次會議事錄 |
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立法院第十一届第四會期內政委員會第十二次全體委員會議議事錄時間一百十四年十一月二十四日星期一上午九十六分至十一時二十六分地點紅樓二零二會議室出席委員蘇巧慧委員等十二人列席委員陳培鈺委員等十人請假委員委員徐玉珍徐欣盈二人 |
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列席官員內政部部長劉世芳及相關人員國防部軍政副部長伯鴻輝及相關人員行政院主計總處專門委員吳明修主席黃昭紀委員建斌報告事項一宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定二邀請內政部部長國防部部長就普發新版台灣全民安全指引如何提升全民安全意識之政策效益評估進行專題報告並被質詢另請行政院主計總處派員列席備詢 |
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内政部部长刘世芳 国防部军政副部长薄鸿辉报告委员苏巧慧等13人持询分别由内政部部长刘世芳及相关人员国防部军政副部长薄鸿辉及相关人员答复说明决定一登记发言委员除不在场者外其余均与发言完毕询答结束二委员丁学忠 高金 苏梅 钟嘉斌 徐欣盈及陈冠廷等5人所提书面质询列入记录刊登公报 |
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三書面質詢及未及答覆部分請相關機關於一週內另一書面答覆並複製本會通過臨時提案議案宣讀完畢請問各位上次會議事錄有無錯誤或遺漏無錯誤議事錄確定繼續進行本次議程請宣讀 |
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討論事項1審查土地法1委員鄭天才等22人凝聚土地法第14條條文修正查案2委員傅坤祺等17人凝聚土地法第195條條文修正查案3委員賴時保等27人凝聚土地法第97條條文修正查案 |
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四委员陈超明等16人拟据土地法第25条条文修正草案二审查原住民身份法一委员郑天才等18人拟据原住民身份法第二条条文修正草案二委员吴丽华等18人拟据原住民身份法部分条文修正草案三委员郭国文等16人拟据原住民身份法修正草案四委员林一锦等22人拟据原住民身份法第11条条文修正草案五委员高金素梅等17人拟据原住民身份法 |
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删除第11条条文草案6委员郑天才等20人拟据原住民身份法第7条条文修正草案7委员黄仁等19人拟据原住民身份法第2条条文修正草案8委员黄仁等18人拟据原住民身份法第7条条文修正草案宣读完毕 |
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本次議程所列討論事項合併答詢那現在介紹我們在場的委員及列席的官員首先跟各位介紹我們王美惠召集委員蘇巧惠委員黃婕委員伍麗華委員陳超明委員賴世保委員 |
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我們內政部政務司長董建宏地政司司長林家政副政司司長陳永志民主民主委員會副主任委員杜章梅莊綜合規劃處處長亞伯蘇勇博伊哲努土地管理處副處長高文斌 |
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法務部檢察官李子齊經濟部水利署主任秘書簡振源財政部負稅署副署長李志忠交通部路政及道安司科長魏俊安文化部文化資產局綜合規劃組專務委員紀嘉琳 |
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行政院主計總署綜合統計處專務委員曹志宏補充介紹我們的張志文委員現在請提案委員說明提案要旨首先我們請賴思寶委員提案說明 |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進那麼本席跟其他委員我們一起提案就是要修改土地法的第97條主要就是針對我們國內的 |
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租賃市場裡面兩大方面一個是續約權 第二個是續約租金的漲幅就續約租金的漲幅你可以看到在全省各地有些地方做小生意的他即便做得很辛苦賺一點點錢他幾乎全部付給房租了 |
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房東要動不動就漲價而且漲的幅度都很高這個隨便他用一個任何的理由說CPI的問題什麼問題就漲價 漲得很兇那麼看看歐洲的一個情況歐洲好幾個國家他們對於這方面是有管控的他們就講說一年只能夠漲一次而且漲的話一定要參考這個CPI有這樣的一個規範所以我這一次主要就是針對這兩個 |
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一個是續約權一個是續約租金的漲幅那要特別提出來所以這具體的內容就是刪除掉97條的第一項第二項原來規定的而且另外增加第一項到第八項那麼第一項就開始明文的規定房屋的租金要 |
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起租由出租人跟成租人約定第二個就是對於第二項的修訂我們就增訂房屋的成租人享有續約權除了土地法規定以外第三項規定就是說在一年內不可以再出租給別人讓房東你不要動不動就去換人來租第四個土地法第九十七項第四項明文規定 |
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如果出租人違反前兩項規定需負擔租因為搬遷造成損害的賠償第五項民運規定雙方續約的時候應該以本條例來調整租金第六項民運規定出租的一個漲幅的金額跟漲幅的 |
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上限剛剛提到的應該參考一些國際的一個做法是不是一個來這個按照我們的CPI來調整有一定的公司來調整那麼土地法我們這次的第七項裡面就是說如果租金要調的話一年最多只能夠調一次 |
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那麼最後在第八項裡面明確的租金調整如果違反前兩項的規定超過的部分在法律效果是無效非常簡單的我把我的提案我再強調一遍是強調希望能夠讓租屋的市場能夠穩定他的續約權以及續約的租金的漲幅啊有一定的規範目前 |
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我們相關的規定也有一定的規範但是我們覺得目前的規範讓整個租屋市場穩定性不夠所以我提出這樣的修正看了一下內政部給我的回應內政部說這一方面這兩大的問題他們目前也正在持續的收集各方面的意見我們希望能夠大家能夠有 |
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收斂能夠聚焦我再強調一遍我希望我們台灣這個租屋主還是很多希望租屋的市場能夠穩定健全那不要讓這個二房東因為有了房子有了錢隨意的瞞天要價影響到一般的租屋主也影響到特別是這個微小型的企業他們賺的錢通通付房租都不夠我們是主要這兩大重點 |
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也請各位指教也請內政部啊能夠認真思考一下我的提案裡面給予我們有機會啊讓他能夠讓這個來修正通過那麼謝謝各位指教 謝謝謝謝 再次保委員的說明接下來我們請陳超明委員提案說明 |
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本席請求土地法第25條修正草案提議案的一個說明那首先我要講中央不要急遣又急遣尊重地方自治的一個權限 |
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土地法第25條,記得,從民國25年3月1日實行到現在,除了民國89年配合省政府功能業務以此之調整,刪除省政府的部分以外,就沒有再加以檢討修正實質的內容。 |
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當初立法的目的是為了加強中央對地方公有土地的監督避免土地資產流失後不當的處分但隨著地方制度的發展地方自治能力已經大幅提升而且地方制度法第18條 |
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第十九條 會規定直轄市及縣市財產的經營及儲分始於地方的一個自治事項不用經過中央的同意只要地方政府制定財產管理自治條例經過地方立法機關通過 |
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依法自主管理很明顯的土地法第25條與地方制度法是相關的規定是衝突的是不合時宜的所以本席提出土地法第25條修正草案地方政府處分設定負擔或出資地方政府所有公有的土地 |
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經過地方民力機關的同意後就不要再經過行政院的核准減少中央與地方重複的審查縮短行政的流程使地方政府能更有效的運用公有土地帶動地方繁榮呼和現行法治精神與社會期待懇請各位委員 |
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能夠給予支持這裡面有一個觀點中央都常常講地方亂賣財產但是中央你有沒有亂賣財產不要指責別人你們的中央政府跟地方政府要一個信賴的制度如果地方的支持那個那個 |
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立法機關等他們通過的話你就要相信他們也是有很多黨派在那邊不要用舊的思維23年到現在民國23年到現在幾乎都沒有修改你也要再修一下跟著時代在變動這個是一個觀念的改變不要這樣自我潛力很大就擁有一切好不好拜託大家也拜託各位委員謝謝 |
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謝謝陳超明委員的說明那接下來我們請武力華委員提案說明 |
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謝謝主席 大家早安本席在這邊針對原住民身份法部分條文修正草案來做一個提案說明立法院已經在10月17號三讀通過了《平埔原住民族群身份法》 |
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该法明定平埔原住民族群的认定要件申请程序中央主管机关为原住民族委员会的职责以及在登记期间程序性的规范也规定政府在施行后应该在一定的期限内修正相关的法律来落实平埔族群的政治参与教育卫生医疗等权力保障 |
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那因為10月23日呢由總統公布施行了平埔族群身份專法那已經有參裁本席在這邊身份法的修法條文例如該專法第三條第一款平埔原住民族群指憲法增修條文第四條第一項第二款規定所稱山地原住民及平地原住民之外寄存於台灣同屬 |
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南島語系民族之其他台灣原住民族就開宗明義的指出平埔族群是屬於台灣原住民族而今天在討論本席的修法版本內容的時候本席也願意採開放的態度來進行修法上的討論 |
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那另外本席針對前一次身份法的修法原民會依照111年憲判字第4號原住民與非原住民結婚所生子女之原住民身份案的裁判意旨有訂定了一個落日條款 |
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要求依本法中華民國110年1月27日修正施行前的第4條第3項規定取得原住民身份位於本法112年12月18日修正之條文施行之日起算兩年內 |
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取用或以原住民族文字并列原住民父或母所属原住民族之传统名字或从原住民父或母之姓者要丧失其原住民身份那本席认为呢这是信赖利益的保障那原民会呢也采纳了这样的意见那为了法的安定性及信赖保护原则保障族人的相关权益那本席 |
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將這個落日條款刪除以保障修法前取得原住民身份者的權益敬請各位委員支持謝謝謝謝吳麗華委員的說明林一錦委員提案檢疑書面提出 |
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我們現在請內政部董政事建宏報告主席各位委員各位女士先生大家早 |
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非常感謝各位委員對內政部業務的相關的關注與指導那麼今天委員會召開會議審查大院委員所提出有關土地法相關條文修正草案共計四案本人應邀前來報告並備詢對本次委員所提案修正之條文本部建議如下那首先是針對鄭天才委員等22人所提土地法第14條修正草案 |
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增訂第一項第一款至第四款不得私有土地一定限度之範圍之劃定應法令明定之那本部相關的建議如下首先按照本條文第一項至第一第一項第一款至第四款規定之土地因為涉及到海岸湖澤 |
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水稻等天然資源且為國家公眾所需要時使用基於公益之需求原其規定所屬公有者不得已轉為私有 |
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制等該土地之劃設為因應地方實際狀況以及實際需要原土地法實施法第五條明定土地法第十四條第一款至第四款所謂一定限度由該直轄市或縣市地政機關貴同水利機關共同劃定之 |
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所以基於各目的事業主管機關所管目的事業法令已有相關規定那麼本部就以跟經濟部等相關的業管機關會商根據海岸管理法、水利法等相關的規定定有土地法第14條第一項各款不得私有土地劃設原則 |
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供各縣市跟供各直轄縣市以及各縣市政府地政機關執行劃設作業時的參考也就是說已經有相關的法令的規定由目的實業執管機關會同本部來進行相關的劃定原則因此考量本條第一項第一款至第四款所稱一定限度 |
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其規範範圍為公有土地並且於土地實施法第五條的規定由各縣各直轄縣市或縣市政府的地政機關會同水利主管機關是水利等公共利益需求去劃定之所以建議維持原先行條文第二有關於富坤崎委員等17人所提土地法第195條修正草案增訂未出租或供營業使用之自用地空地 |
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一自用住宅用地科税科徵地價税那首先本部要說明有關地價税之科徵及減免事項與土地稅法以及平均地權條例等特別為之定之 |
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依土地稅法第九條第十七條以及平均地權條例第三條第二十條規定自用住宅繫址土地所有權人及其配偶實際親屬於該土地半郡戶籍登記且無出租或供營業使用之住宅用地如符合面積處數等要件按千分之二稅率計算地價 |
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以減輕民眾實際自住使用房屋之座落基地的地稅負擔同時也為了促進土地的利用所以地價稅才採取所謂的累進稅制來計增那令平均地權條例第26條對於預期未建築之時有空地令加徵空地稅或造價收買之規定因此 |
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如果放寬未建築使用之自用扣分地亦得一體使用自用住宅之地價稅優恐會造成一方面造成稅負不公那也容易導致土地長期持有閒置並不利於土地的有效利用甚至進而助長囤地炒作的疑慮所以建議維持現行條文令本條文修正有關於稅監基徵是事宜也涉及到城鎮部的權責而且 |
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地價稅是地方稅所以本部會尊重財政部及地方政府的相關意見那第三個有關於賴世保委員等27人所提土地法第97條條文修正草案房屋啟租租金不予限制並增訂房屋騰租人續租權以及續約租金調整頻率以及漲幅限制以及違反的法律效果 |
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根据本条文的立法意旨它是为了要解决我们都市地区人口密集房屋供应不足避免有无者垄断抬高房租 |
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原定于对于城市地区住宅供应的相关规定房屋租金的上限作所规范以解决居住问题我想刚才赖世保委员特别强调这一点那么对于这一点本部表示尊重特别是为了维护人民居住权益完整规范租赁市场租赁住宅市场保障租赁双方当事人的权益所以在106年的12月27号我们已经另行订定 |
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租賃住宅市場發展及管理條例以下簡稱租賃條例其中在租賃條例的第六條已經明定租賃住宅之租金不適用土地法第97條租金之上限的規定那同時又為了保障房客的穩居安居那麼避免續租時遭房東不當的漲租或以不合理的條件被迫搬遷本部目前更正確推動租賃條例的修法 |
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那麼在修法的方向已經將房客續約權以及續約租金漲幅等相關規範納入討論當中同時對於房東的正當權益以及房客合法租屋的權益等研擬相關的配套措施 |
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因此本部基於社會輿論以及許多社團 民間團體他們的共同需求與討論以及大院包括賴世保委員等等的相關的提案及建議我們就註定條例的修法 |
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續約權以及續租漲幅的提議都有相關的意見的參考我們目前也客證收集相關的意見那日前貴會也進行相關的公聽所以在這個過程裡面我們會積極收集各方的意見那提出我們的完整的版本並將賴委員等27人所提的相關的建議一併納入整個租賃條例修正時一併討論 |
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第四有关于陈昌明委员等16人所提土地法第25条修正条文那么针对直辖市或县市政府对其所管公有土地经该管区内民意机关同意即得处分或设定负担为超过10年期间之租赁务须在经行政院核准本部意见如下 |
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共有土地为国家重要的资产以永续经营增进全民福祉促进土地合理使用及有效管理为目标所以在另外又宪法第108条里面有明确的规定土地法由中央立法并执行或交由省县执行 |
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所以基於公有土地監督權者以及全國公有土地管理利用之一致性原本條文規定直轄市或縣市政府處分設定負擔或為超過十年期租賃期間之所管的公有土地除經該管區內民意機關同意之外尚需經行政院核准 |
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那為了利益直轄市或縣市政府處分設定負擔或者是租賃地方公有非公用土地那麼行政院也前逾88年以授權本部會商財政部等相關機關進行核定那本部在相關行政院授權之後 |
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以直接受理直轄市或縣市政府所報案件都會迅速完成協助相關的程序尚無中央與地方重複審查或者是土地處分程序曠日廢時的情形所以為了促進地方公有土地資源能夠合理有效管理利用同時維護國家利益原建議原條文維持現行條文僅就以上相關大院委員所提法律的修正案做二要簡單的報告進行委員指導謝謝 |
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另外針對原住民身份法部分條文修正草案的部分那本部也非常感謝大院的委員針對原民身份法的草案提出相關的版本那麼也針對這些版本我們做本部的相關的意見做簡單的說明進攻委員參考 |
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首先有關於鄭天才委員等18人以及黃仁委員等19人所提原住民身份法第二條文修正案有關於平地原住民之認定刪除申請戶籍所在地鄉鎮市區公所登記為平地原住民有案者文字 |
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有关平地原住民认定之要件无需审认是否向户籍所在地乡镇市公所申请登记为平地原住民有案那么委员所提案本部见表尊重有关于吴立华委员等18人以及郭国文委员等16人所提原住民身份法第二条文修正草案有关原住民身份征定同属南岛语系民族之其他台湾原住民族 |
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或平埔原住民身份配合並配合修正第一條第三條第七條條文文字按平埔族原住民身份法葉金總統在114年10月23日公佈當事人已可依該法申請登記平埔原住民身份及所屬族群 |
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倘賦予原住民身份法再未評估原住民身份相關規定將會產生法規適用的問題所以建請再與斟酌 |
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那有關武力華委員等18人以及郭公委員等16人所提刪除原住民身份法第5條第1項第4款有關於111年1月27日修正實施前第4條第3項規定取得原住民身份位於本法112年12月18日修正 |
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之条文实施日算起两年内未以取用传统名字或从原住民父或母之姓等认同表示等表征上司原住民身份之规定删除同条文第三项有关申请上司原住民身份之直系血清杯 |
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不上司原住民身份之規定有關第五條第一項第四款及第三項規定均涉及當事人取得或維持原住民身份之要件本部尊重委員會的討論結果 |
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那么有关于郭国文委员等16人所提删除原住民身份法第6条第三项有关养子女依户籍法第65条规定申请本身父母之户籍资料或户籍藤本按户籍法第65条第一项规定本人或利害关系人得向户政机关申请阅览户籍资料或交付户籍藤本 |
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涉案当事人是否符合原住民身份取得要件户政事务所得依职权查核户籍资料无需当事人申请户籍资料所以委员提案本部竞表尊重 |
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有关黄人委员等18人及郑天才委员等20人所提原住民身份法第7条规定有关原住民身份取得要件者死亡其执拟准用第3条及第6条规定修正为其执系血清杯清属准用第3条及第6条规定有关是否放宽第7条规定之适用对象委员之提案本部竞表尊重 |
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有關林益菁委員等22人所提原住民身份法第11條規定之原住民身份更正及撤銷登記得向任意戶政事務所申請高清素梅委員等17人所提原住民身份法第11條規定予以刪除原住民身份更正及撤銷登記依戶籍法規定辦理有關原住民身份之更正及撤銷登記就系應由戶籍 |
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戶政事務所或得由任意戶政事務所受理以是否於原住民身份法予以規範或適用戶籍法相關規定本部也尊重委員們的討論結果以上本部針對大院委員所提出相關法律修正案做簡單扼要報告敬請指教謝謝好謝謝董事長接下來我們請園民會杜璋副主委報告 |
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主席各位委員大家好大家平安今天大院委員會審議這個多位委員所提的原住民身份法的修正案本會受邀列席說明深感榮幸以下將分為五個部分將各位委員簡要說明一有關平埔族群是否納入原住民身份法首先針對委員們提出要把同屬南島語系的平埔原住民族群直接納入原住民身份法的相關版本 |
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本會在此說明平埔原住民族群身份法已經在今年的10月17日三讀通過並且在10月23日由總統公佈平埔族群的民族認定程序成員身份登記得上變更以及民族權利等都已由新的專法清楚規範因此在相關權利保障已有明確法律依據建議不需要修正原住民身份法的方式重複規範 |
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第二有關原住民身份定義的修正部分提案希望將山地原住民平地原住民調整為山地行政區原住民平地行政區原住民本會尊重委員意見但也必須說明這些既有的用詞本身具有歷史的脈絡 |
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也以用於憲法徵修條文及多項法律若要更動不僅涉及憲法用語也影響相當多現行法規的銜接因此建議維持現行條文較為妥適第三刪除平地原住民登記有案要件之提案委員提案希望刪除平地原住民身份必須在戶籍地公所登記有案的規定使山地以平地原住民身份取得完全一致 |
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本會再次說明對於未及於極限登記而未取得原住民身份者包括平埔原住民族群在內其身份的保障認定與登記程序經已由平埔原住民族群身份法完整的規範若在身份法中直接刪除登記有案要件 反而讓兩套制度 |
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混在一起造成認定標準的不明確影響整體的政策運作因此建議仍維持現行的規範第四有關原住民身份法第七條符合要件但申請前往生者其後代是否應擴大適用因原住民身份法採血統加認同的雙軌原則除了要有客觀的血清事證之外也必須透過 |
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取用傳統名字或從原住民戶母姓氏等方式來表彰認同若一例擴大到所有的悲親署而沒有要求文化認同的具體展現將此修法後僅以血緣即可取得身份與現行必須同時展現認同的族人相比形成不一致 |
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這恐怕會引發平等原則與制度正當性的疑慮也可能偏離憲法法庭111年的憲判制第17號判決所強調的文化特徵程序與傳承的精神第五有關第11條的撤銷更正程序以及新增事由委員的提案中包括刪除戶籍所在地的限制以及新增因歷史因素漏位登記而得以補登記的規定 |
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其中新增的部分與現行原住民身份法第二條第二項的定義有所焊隔也以評普原住民族群身份法內容重疊建議維持現行條文至於是否可由任一個戶政事務所辦理撤銷或更正登記因涉及戶政事務本會建議徵詢內政部的專業意見此外有委員提到刪除整條第十一條 |
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將判斷以撤銷程序全部歸戶籍法處理本會尊重委員提案最後本會對各位委員所提的修正意見都表尊重書面報告以詳列本會法制與政策的考量本案攸關原住民權利體系的健全與整體制度的穩定以上建議敬請各位委員支持另外針對土地法的修法的委員提案修法的部分有涉及到原住民 |
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事務跟本會執掌的部分本會尊重土地法的主管機關內政部的專業判斷所設目的的事業主管機關的意見並尊重大院後續之審查結果本會將依主管機關及大院的決議配合提供原住民族事務相關之協助與說明以上報告 |
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謝謝杜章副指揮報告這邊跟委員會報告今天的議程審查原住民身份法第七第八案未經各黨團簽署不附議同意書所以本次不予審查那其他單位報告請委員自行參閱並刊登公報現在進行答詢那委員質詢前原地坐以下 |
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幾點宣告第一本會及原住民委員發言時間5分鐘必要時得延長2分鐘非本會委員發言時間5分鐘上午10點30分截止發言登記本次會議就不處理臨時提案請問各位委員有沒有意見沒有 沒意見好那現在進行詢問請登記第一位的舒喬會委員發言 |
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好 謝謝主席 我們請董次長次長好委員好次長我想跟你討論一個在6月的時候我有質詢過劉世芳部長的問題就是這個老宅延壽的計畫那因為我們老宅延壽的計畫即將要實施了這計畫算核定了嗎 核定 |
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現在目前正報行政院核定中所以你已經有一個版本然後報核定中如果確定的話我們就會依照這個版本實施了好可是我想要問的正是那這個版本看起來呢其實跟現在當時的計畫的草案跟現在公告的內容是有一點不太一樣的次長你可以告訴我們最主要的不一樣是什麼嗎 |
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我们最大的差异大概是我们将那个除了集合住宅之外我们也把透天纳入对我们把补助对象也稍微做了一点加强就是说因为有透天错所以包括说私人所有权人也可以纳入这样子 |
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所以結論就是說最大的調整其實是把六成以下的透天厝放入了這次的老宅延壽計畫當中那我記得六月的時候我其實都同樣的問題去詢問了劉部長說為什麼是只有四到六成的集合住宅部長跟我說因為資源有限所以我們要集中放在最重要的區域那意思就是當時是四到六成那為什麼現在六成以下的透天厝突然又變成可以進來了 |
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跟委員報告我們當時其實在一開始老屋老宅延售計畫在擬定的時候 |
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我們主要是針對六都特別是大台北地區整個都會環境空間那後續我們考量到特別是因為風災之後我們發現中南部地區還有一些偷天措比較古老的偷天措他其實也需要一定程度的維修那再來就是說新北地區也有很多我們的早期我們的長輩離鄉背井到新北來打拼之後到小台北縣打拼之後 |
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至少他們的住宅也一定有一定程度的年齡了那裡面也住著非常高齡的長輩所以我們希望說能夠擴及更多的人那資源都找好了嗎對 我們資源都找好了不會減少影響之前說的四到六成的集合住宅這部分因為理論上量應該是有限的總量是固定的 |
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這部分也跟委員跟主席報告我們老宅延壽計畫目前是因為特別條例所規定的三年五十億計畫但是我們會在未來在整個 |
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危老條例的修正裡面我們將老宅延壽的方案也納入法律裡面未來我們將會透過公務預算的方式來編列會用公務預算的方式等於是資源更多嘛好 那次長其實我並不反對把這個六成以下透天厝加入老宅延壽計畫甚至是越多越好 |
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這也是我們當時質詢的本意6月的時候我們就希望能夠有更多這樣的狀況不是只有4到6成的集合住宅才需要老宅延售那當然我現在在這裡質詢王美惠委員一直看著我中南部委員這個 |
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這個也是希望透天錯更多所以我也不反對是這樣子的狀況那當然新北也有透天錯所以我們當然是希望越多的資源讓大家都能夠受惠更好好 可是在這裡的話我要進一步跟次長這邊討論就是您剛剛提到這個管委會區分所有權人的區權會的問題那其實在新北有很多的這種老屋因為它過去 |
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出現的時候是還沒有還沒有這種區權會誕生這種管理條例誕生的時代嘛所以其實我們並沒有現在已經有區權會所以我是希望說這個次長你在要進行這個計畫的時候既然你們會有內政部來指定臨時的這個召集人那是不是能夠在宣傳這個計畫的時候就這整個步驟 |
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內政部可以指定應該是說縣市啦縣市政府得指定臨時的區權會的召集人那接下來的步驟是什麼他們怎麼組成這個管委會然後趕快去進行這個步驟我是希望能夠要詳盡的說明讓大家了解怎麼去爭取這個權益次長這個應該沒有問題嘛對不對我們在申請人資格裡面我們特別提到說有區權會的當然就是區權會啦那如果沒有區權會我們會有顧問團協助 |
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會有顧問團協助嗎會有顧問團協助大家去組成那個共同的推派代表的方式其實我知道你們要辦說明會啦那什麼時候會開始像我們新北什麼時候會開始有這樣的說明會我們第一場是在11月30號就這個禮拜六好那下一個問題就問那請問你怎麼宣傳辦在哪裡我們第一個我們會有幾種方式第一個我們會到全台各地去辦說明會對我就說這個星期六的這一場在新北嘛新北在哪裡三重的仙舍宮 |
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連我都不知道的話請問一下我們沒有看到宣傳的部分請問一下你們的宣傳管道是什麼我們會透過媒體部長已經錄好我們相關的那個說明影音我們會緊述今天已經是星期三了如果是星期六的話我們是希望宣傳管道要能夠加強因為今天是第一場所以我們不強求但可以看得出來這個宣傳的力道是不是能夠加快我們今天會發布相關的新聞 |
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開的說明會星期三我們還沒有看到宣傳這個真的非常的可惜所以我們辦公室那一場我們會跟著去看看看如果有什麼樣的狀況我們一起來調整因為這是一個很好的計畫希望更多人能夠受惠好那另外一個部分的話再跟您請教就是這個我們租賃市場的部分我們當然希望房客要被能夠保障 |
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因為大體而言我們覺得房客是屬於比較需要保障的那一方可是不得不說上次王美惠召委主持的公聽會的時候其實有一個問題讓我們也很重視到因為我們本辦公室其實也接過這種陳情案非常的多就是當房東遇到惡房客的時候這種欠租不繳的狀況其實是房東心中很大的一個惡夢好 那我問一下就是 |
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請問次長請問現在欠租不繳我要有什麼條件下房東可以解約 |
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目前欠租不繳的話大概就是要透過訴訟程序有依照法令我們這樣簡單講直接因為時間的關係依照法令有哪幾種法令哪幾種方式我可以來終止租約報告委員現在的話有關於租財是用租賃條例那如果是欠租滿兩個月的部分就可以終止租約對這是租賃條例是一種欠租滿兩個月以上的金額打兩個月以上的金額但事實上還有另外一個因為法院也有做出判決 |
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是不是用土地法嘛對不對土地法這就是那天公聽會的問題土地法的時候這樣加一加以後重點就是你的押金能不能夠計算進來嘛所以如果你一旦是把押金計算進來的變成是殼底租金的話那這個期間這個總額他可能就會變成要到四個月了 |
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所以當時我們在算什麼樣的金額基欠金額達到什麼程度總額達到什麼狀況可以來去解約的時候本來依照住院條例是兩個月的總金額但如果依照土地法把押金給計入的話就變成四個月所以這樣房間就變成是有兩種方式可以算了那請問你要採哪一種 |
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謝謝委員那個有關於租賃條例的部分不能折抵的部分的話我們在這次修法已經有把它納進去考量因為它主要押金的是要擔保你後面的一個經理的費用理論上它負擔的應該是不一樣的情境不一樣的狀況可是我們現在看到新聞你在這樣解釋我們報紙上從新聞沒有看到您現在說的市長現在說的方式我們反而是看到了第三種方式第三種解約的情境第三種解約的情境是 |
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欠租達三次房東可說不啊那個這個三次跟兩個月的總金額跟四個月的總金額是不是又變成產生另外一種情境啊這個狀況到底是哪一種 |
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那個這次修法還有另外一個部分就是欠租三次那個是因為我們常遇到有些住客就會迴避掉兩個月的這個上限可是這是次數啊剛剛是總額啊對不對是金額啊所以這兩者現在是競合呢還是折一就可以呢還是什麼狀況呢修法的部分是折一就可以所以次數三次或者是積欠滿兩個月都可以 |
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這個到時候我們如果有進入到實質討論真的應該要好好的來計算一下哪一個會先符合這種情境會不會出現總之這是一個市場上常常會發生的狀況兩邊都不願意看到但這是一個需要解決那到底哪一種方式可以被解決我覺得內政部要有一個更明確的說法和規範讓大家可以遵循這是我們期待的方向 |
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謝謝委員我們會在所有的那個立法過程裡面參照所有委員的意見然後還有民間的意見我們最主要就是要保障租賃雙方的說雙方對等的對這才是我們期待的狀況所以剛剛市長市長您剛剛在說修法這個新的方向三層的部分麻煩送一份資料到辦公室好沒問題謝謝委員謝謝蘇巧慧委員接下來請張志榮委員發言 |
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好謝謝主席各位委員各位官員早有請董事長請董事長 |
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委員好市長早市長先給你救教一下本席的選區在新北市中和那自從本席上任以來我就很積極在推動不管是我們中和景坪路中正路以南這個南四角污水下水道的工程的進度那這個工程進度是屬於第三期的這個標案 |
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那三期裡面總共分四個標案那第一期的第一標目前已經這個預算都已經核定下來正在動工做一些這個地下這個管線的一些假設工程那很感謝國土部署跟內政部的協助 |
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那現在第三期第二標的部分在過去現在正在審查相關的工程預算當中在過去新北市有送一個經費大概才兩億五千萬元左右可是現在新北市政府近期把第三期第二標的經費因為它整個設計重新在整個改良 |
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然後管線有拉長以及工程費用現在大家知道這個工程單價非常的高那現在的經費大約是這個5億468萬元那這個部分我想要拜託次長這個部分因為我知道你很重視整個污水下水道的整個進度那就拜託說這個進度你大概知道嗎 |
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對我大概知道我也跟委員報告我們目前就是說在送工程會審議那因為這個部分我特別跟委員報告就是說部長對於污水下水道系統是非常非常重視那我們也跟台北市新北市侯友宜市長也拜會過也討論過這個有討論過那個增加不但是污水處理還增加再生水廠所以這些部分我們都會共同努力那所以委員不用擔心我們會積極爭取工程會來支持這件工程 |
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因為本席現在所知道的這個進度是在上週五他有把報告書就是解釋為什麼工程經費增加蠻多的原因送到這個內政部內政部現在是交由這個工程會在做審查作業那預計你們現在是預計大概11月底會把資料統整起來送工程會是嗎是好謝謝市長謝謝您對我們地方建設的關心 |
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第二个我想要请教就是有关于之前本席有在这边请教过内政部国土署相关的问题就是有关于内政部在今年10月30号的时候有特别提到一个新闻稿就是有关于内政部今年2月公告的建筑物设置太阳能光电板的设置标准草案 |
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那裡面的規定就是說凡是新建增建或改建的建築物的面積如果達1000平方公尺就是300平以上他是應就是強制要設太陽能光電板那時候您在這個新聞上也提到說這個標準在年底公佈就是說在年底會上路可是我一直在這個委員會在請教各位的就是說因為大家可以看到 |
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有關於台灣風災問題很多尤其丹納斯颱風造成當時嘉義的太陽能光電板損壞非常嚴重今天最近的新聞也說本來環境部部長說現場已經清理完畢了結果沒有想到好像最近新聞還有在講說現在太陽能光電板還沒有清乾淨那個是過去舊的照片所以它有物質 |
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好沒關係這個是新聞所講的了在我要想要請教市長上次我在質詢的時候這個影響非常的廣因為不管大家知道說是這個未來我們的住宅尤其是高層樓住宅如果還有這個如果都要設光電板的話未來的維修以及這個很多的產生問題的狀況那如何去解決以及公安成本管理的這些部分 |
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這個我們相信你們應該收到很多的意見那想要請教次長您現在對這樣的草案您的看法是如何首先跟委員報告我們草案目前正在審議當中那我們會在年底完成相關的審議並會同經濟部公告你等一下 次長我上次問內政部 |
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國土署說他會延誼他不是說年底交公告他說會延誼今年年底不會公告我們現在正在處理當中因為我們還要會嫌經濟部所以年底會公告嗎我們會會嫌經濟部那看經濟部的動作時間這樣子所以這個如果你年底要公告你要先就是說就是跟我上次請問的點不一樣 |
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現在是強制要求300坪以上的全部都要強制裝光電板因為大家說頂樓現在裝光電板超高層樓材未來的維修等等這些安全的問題而且還有大家所民怨造成我家隔壁樓上就裝光電板造成我這個很多住戶的生活的影響所以你年底確定會公告嗎要跟委員報告是說我們會會嫌經濟部 |
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那第二個就是說我們公告之後所實施的對象我們會分批次也就是說在整個強制的部分我們會依照總統的指示第一個公有建築一定要做市長上次這個回答我聽過因為公有建物我們當然是公有建物就聽政府的規定我們沒有意見可是你現在是連私有的所有的興建的大樓在這個草案裡你都沒有把它排除掉 |
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我們會有程序也就是說除了公有建築優先之外再來就是工業區這也是我們會銜經濟部最重要的一件事情對 可是市長工業區現在台灣你也知道我們都會區尤其是雙北工業區跟住宅區有時候隔一條馬路就是工業區住宅區你在你這個工業區樓上蓋那麼大量的 |
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光電板你有想到比其他住戶的感覺雙北都是城市會有熱島效應我們會以主要的那個工業環境為主就是比方說像那個大型的工業區或科學園區為主那你可不可以舉例哪些大型的工業園區你總是要讓這個草案要設置你們總是有沙盤推演到底是哪些大型工業區未來 |
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全部都一定要裝光電板經濟部所轄工業區地方政府所轄工業區所有都一定強制都要設光電板只要它有新建或增建的部分它都要設太陽能光電板至於民生的部分未來的安全問題你們有考量嗎還有未來造成的民怨問題你們有考量嗎相關的安全以及公安規範其實都已經諱嫌勞動部會不會造成以後的光電板孤兒以後這些光電板大樓不願意處理啊 |
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我們在整個要移轉的過程裡面或者是光電的相關的維修我們都會有一些相關的配套措施進行我們會會前經濟部能源署一起來處理這件事情市長我這邊本席在這邊我認為推動光電板國家能源政策是正確的可是不應該就是我認為說造成都市內設立大量的光電板所以我這本席在這邊還是要提醒說未來可能造成的後遺症跟問題會非常的多是 |
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部長也考慮到這件事情特別是有些而且你現在是強制如果有些人你全部都是強制有些難道未來會有例外嗎我們會考慮到難道要抗議才會有例外嗎我們沒有我們會考慮到住宅的狀況所以我們剛才講過我們是公有建築優先工業區優先那工業區會造成隔壁住宅區的影響跟困擾而且你整個大概你預計整個的設置的量跟變數你有統計嗎 |
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以經濟部所夾工業區還有我們國家科學園區為主要優先的範圍那相關的光電板我們透過現在現行的科技技術它的相關的我們會有一些塗料讓它整個的折射狀況會降低我還是要拜託次長因為時間的關係在雙北的工業區跟都會區其實有時候隔一條馬路而已所以未來這些設置的安全問題以及成本問題未來如何維護的問題 |
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以及公安管理的問題以後颱風造成大家看到有時候整個光電板一吹而且現在都是為什麼我要講嘉義的這個問題就是因為都是民間設立的 |
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以后他们如果这公司就倒了这光电板就飞走了到了民宅未来整个大型这些造成的灾害的问题拜托次长这边你还是要多加考量谢谢委员的提醒如果你要公布这些草案之前我觉得还是要跟地方政府大家共同讨论不要把这问题丢到地方政府手上谢谢 |
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謝謝張志文接下來請黃婕委員發言好謝謝主席我們請董事長請董事長委員好 |
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好 董事長好我們今天要審查的是這個土地法裡面當然有提到一些土地跟建物租賃相關的規定那其實最近內政部的這個租賃的新制的調整放出去之後當然房東有一些聲音房客也有一些聲音那我不知道說次長這邊有沒有聽到了那我必須要先講這個利益是良善的因為其實台灣的租賃市場越來越大現在大概有300萬的租屋客 |
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那其實我自己從18歲開始就是租屋族所以我非常了解租屋族的需求那以台灣來說因為確實現在房價真的很高然後薪資一直拉不上來所以其實大家會越來越投入租屋市場那導致說現在租屋市場其實都過去都覺得說這是一個過度的一個狀態 |
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但其實現在很多人也都覺得說租屋其實是一個長期的狀態就像我到現在也都還沒有買房子也沒有土地所以一直都是處在租屋狀態的那所以其實這樣的條例的修正真的非常非常的重要所以我仔細看了一下現在你們提出來的這個租賃的心智利益是非常良善的 |
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不只想要更保障房客也更保障房東只是說這個新制上來之後我也聽到一些房東的聲音說哇你們這個新制下去如果說續約的時候要限制他們漲幅的限制變成說他們一開始就會退出市場他們說他們要減少供給那所以這個也是我擔心的畢竟過去相關的條例都是用土地法來適用也就是說排除這一些漲幅的限制嘛 |
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所以現在這些租房東有這樣的聲音那我聽到一些房客的聲音是什麼呢他們就會說那如果你們訂了這個你們說是天花板對房東來說是樓地板他們說到時候變成在跟你簽約之前他就先講一次換約的時候再講一次所以他們覺得對房東來說房客來想啦他們覺得房東就是找到可以換約可以講服的地方就給你講到寶啊 |
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你們的那個漲幅的限制對房東來說可能是他拉到滿的這樣的空間喔所以他們就擔心說這樣子一次漲好漲滿提前漲租那對他們來說也沒有相關的保障所以我在這邊想要請教次長的是房客有這樣的聲音房東也有這樣的聲音我們到底該怎麼去處理讓雙方可以達到雙贏的方法 |
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好 謝謝委員的垂詢我想在我們歷次的公聽包括立法院主辦的公聽會跟我們許多的座談會特別我們舉辦了一場專門針對青年朋友的座談會那麼許多青年朋友也都提出相關的疑慮那在這裡要跟委員跟大會報告就是說 |
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事實上我們在整個租金的限制裡面為什麼要去限制漲幅而且用CPI作為漲幅的指標同時內政部在每年會公布兩次的整個的區域的租金的狀況我們在實價登錄沒有辦法完整 |
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這個狀況之下我們先公佈周邊的租金狀況其實都是在告訴大家說這個租金的漲幅跟租金的合理度在哪裡這是第一個那第二個我們會增加房源我們會透過包租代管的協商那麼我們以及我們也會嫌了那個已經跟財政部討論我們希望透過一些稅優跟那個稅率的方式我們讓許多目前有90餘萬戶的空屋 |
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能夠被釋出到市場也就是說事實上我們目前的統計台灣的租屋市場裡面有89%是所謂的一屋房東那這些一屋房東裡面他們許多的人其實是他們就是希望就是說能夠有一個所謂的被動性的收入穩定的被動性收入所以房東跟房客之間事實上是一個比較相對穩定的關係 |
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所以我們訂定這個好相關的租金的漲幅其實只是告訴大家如果你要漲你只能這樣子不代表你一定要漲那麼相關的過程裡面我們也跟對啊我知道我們的用意是這樣啊可是對房客跟房東看到說哦這個限制對他們來說可能就是哦原來我可以這樣漲 |
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對但是我們還有另外一個參考指標就是這邊的房租對所以其實剛剛次長講到兩個重點第一個是周邊的實價登錄的透明化非常非常重要唯有你這個租屋的市場的相關的價格更透明了大家才會知道說其實市場大概就長這樣第二個是房源要充足嘛不會說你重新訂了這個條例房東說我要退出市場我要讓你都租不到 |
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所以這兩件事情我覺得跟這個是完全扣在一起的我們現在透過包租代管我們透過稅優我們在積極鼓勵大家成為公益房東那麼事實上在這個過程裡面我們也積極增加相關新的房源那我們今年也要求包租代管業者在明年要從2萬戶增加到3萬5千戶 |
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好 所以這邊要拜託次長你們提這個新制的時候一定要同時增加租屋市場的透明化第二個 必須房源一定要充足不要到時候對房東跟房客來說大家是雙輸這個是我最怕看到的局面好 第二個就是這個租霸的問題其實你們這次除了說大家看起來好像對房客比較有保障其實對房東也是有保障的就是讓租霸 |
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適時的可以下車讓他說這一些所謂的二房客就是這一些租屋的蟑螂啦就是說其實條件很差信用很差然後常常造成鄰居或者是破壞房屋破壞家具的這一些有黑名單的這些人 |
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其實國際上有一些指標我是覺得可以參考就是其實像英國他們就有個第三方專業審核的公司對房客有基本的背景調查就是說會知道說他的平常的財務狀況是不是穩定啊過去租房子的時候有沒有一些不良記錄啊那其實像澳洲也有一些澳洲跟紐西蘭其實有個租賃的黑名單就是有一些他們其實真的就是不良的房客那個這個對房東來說也很頭痛的那我認為說 |
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一個好的租賃的市場對房東有保障對房客也有保障這是很重要所以我想問的是所謂的房客信用的制度這個你們有沒有相關的配套那當然我覺得這個所謂的租霸的下車制度很重要啦 |
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我想那個我們針對不良房客的部分我們事實上就是有一些對等的相關的規範那不良房客其實不只是包括說剛才所提到的不繳租金我們其實有很多不良房客在我們跟年輕朋友座談的時候他有包括少老齡的行為有些女性朋友她就是在租房的時候收到隔壁的所以我們要賦予房東這個權利去把這些不良的租客把他趕走 |
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至於說相關的信用制度等等事實上我們在相關的記錄裡面的蒐集我們第一個還是擔心的就是說第一個是涉及各執法的問題第二個是有標籤化的問題所以我們還是會積極去蒐集相關的資料事實上我在美國租房子的時候房東一開始對留學生他當然很害怕但是他留學生就是這樣他就是學校做擔保 |
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因为我不可能有任何的信用记录所以其实有一个信用的担保人这也是可以参考的制度我们现在就是说我们会去研译相关的方式因为你要一个可能大学刚毕业或者刚刚去读书的人他要有信用制度这也很难我们用其他的方式来做担保所以我在这边建议所谓的这个猪爸的问题我觉得第一个建立信用制度第二个像你说的其实就是要更透明 |
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嗯這個這個要拜託好謝謝市長謝謝委員指教好謝謝黃婕委員接下來請張宏路委員發言我請董事長我請董事長 |
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委員好市長我看了今天我們這個土地法整個的修法我覺得大概有幾個重點第一個如果以後地方縣市政府要處分土地或什麼的不用再報行政院核備這個有可能很多的是沒有辦法從整個國土規劃的角度去看那再來配合 |
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另外一條的修法以後如果空地什麼的它適用的也是稅率降低大家可能會覺得說這個可能土地閒置然後這個說服不公可是次長我如果這樣把它串聯起來以後會不會發現一個問題地方政府大量釋放出土地然後我稅率又這麼低 |
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會不會變成不炒房改炒地全台灣有錢人全部都去炒地會不會有這種情況發生 |
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跟委員報告事實上我們針對土地法第25條跟第195條的修正跟增訂我們事實上就有這樣的疑慮那過去我們事實上是很積極的配合地方政府只要合理我們就會允許他在土地的出售但是我們也如同委員所指教的應該要在整個國土計劃法的框架之下配合國家的國土利用跟整體的經濟建設來做合理的土地的使用 |
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而至於土地的稅率的部分如果適用住宅那個自用住宅的話那事實上就會造成大家囤房或囤地的成本降低這也不利於國家土地的合理使用跟發展對啦所以我整個看起來這個時候我覺得我們要真的要深思熟慮這個會變成到最後全台灣有錢人就炒地 炒地皮 |
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反正我的持有成本這麼低然後我要取得可能也很簡單我覺得這點大家要三思這是謝謝委員的建議謝謝委員建議我們會乘勝來處理再來我上次也有質詢過你們部長有說因為現在我們一直鼓勵民眾自主 |
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不管是都更或危老改建但現在大家也知道銀行貸不到錢我說的是自主自主的危老跟那個這個建商的我們就不管這一點上次部長也說他會跟 |
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這個相關單位財政部金管會等等的大家溝通我不知道你知道溝通的如何首先跟委員報告就央行的部分部長親自拜會央行楊總裁那楊總裁已經也對外公佈對外宣佈 |
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在整个自主都更的金额借贷金额是不受集中度管制的影响也就是说他不受72之2的影响银行团还是可以借那当然自主都更他最大的困境是说我们先不要管这些我们就先不要讲到自主都更为老人家自主的 |
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你雖然是這樣啦 但我相信啦你們內政部 我應該也聽到很多案例啦銀行還是不貸啦 他的不貸是為什麼怕你還不出錢來 怕你們這些就自己地主啊 自己這樣子跟政府的政策背道而馳那我們就對這些銀行一點辦法都沒有嗎 |
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跟那個委員報告我們現在有另外一個我們在整個都更法要修正的時候我們會加入就是說我們會將制度都更或者是危老的那個信用保證制度加入由我們中央都更基金去投入一定的信保那提供十倍的信保額度也就是由我們中央來做擔保來做協助這些危老或者是都更他們要進行借貸的時候由我中央來做擔保我覺得啦 |
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你們做這個擔保也是一個解決的方式是沒有錯的但政府的威信沒了我們一直鼓勵人民我不用透過建商不用透過什麼你自己可以辦那結果現在呢又要內政部什麼這個基金我跟你講私人銀行我們管不著啊公股行庫你不照辦董事長就叫他下台了啊 |
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總統的政策他都不執行了這種董事長不用當了啊財政部長也要下台啊公然違反總統跟整個國家的政策啊只為了他在思考啊這種人不配在這個位置啊 |
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對不對我們 我再強調一次我所說的不是建商喔完全排除建商的喔人家私人的政府一直鼓勵我們內政委員會當初也是配合你們跟所有的民眾講你不用透過建商你們只要自己然後就可以去蓋結果人家這樣自己政府跟人民講可以這樣做結果大家好不容易用好了銀行就不帶銀行不帶蔣川了 |
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他就是怕他還不起錢來欺負這些人沒有經驗這樣子你們是不是政府又要逼人家要跟建商合建跟政府的完全政策不一樣我一直講的就是這個意思那我們內政部雖然貸款不是你的主要業務但整個 |
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圍繞整個自主都跟什麼這是內政部的業務我們會繼續跟銀行團構我如果是部長我一定硬起來我們部長非常強硬 我想委員也很清楚我知道啦 但是還看不到成果我們會繼續再跟財政部跟金管會溝通我們要求供股銀行一定要優先處成辦這些相關的業務本來就是你供股銀行你就處理就好了對不對 |
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那你銀行法72條之二早就排除了這些嘛早就排除了嘛我們都看到它現在其實是過當的管制啊你把這些排除掉 |
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有好幾千億耶對不對 可以拿出來做啊我是覺得喔政府不應該欺騙人民啦好 我們會再跟財政部金管會溝通然後要求公股銀行一定要優先進行相關的都更或危老的借貸對啊再說一次自主的你沒有理由不貸給人家如果你是建商什麼你要考量那個我們不管 |
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人家自主的 人家申請的你就要帶給人家人家是照政府的政策來的這點我希望你們要跟他們溝通好我們會再積極拜會財政部跟金管會我們要求公股銀行一定要執行落實總統的政策謝謝謝謝詹宏祿委員接下來我們請王美惠召委 |
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主席我們現在 董事有請董事長董事 早上齁 早上 委員早上我先要先跟你談論到我們教育局的情形是我們教育局的底 |
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不是很多 但是長久以來有讓我們的政府為了這個公保地公保地裡面就是去公園 去學校 |
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要不然在年度過前的時候 百姓合不來 覺得說跟我爹讓你們外來要去學校也好 要做工也好 要做陀螺也好這百姓都願意配合 因為政府就是這樣為嘛要不然在久久長長在這裡的時候 |
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像現在我們大家都知道 現在也少子化有時候有的會發酵 也不一定會繼續如果你有需要 我們都不要緊沒有需要的時候 是對百姓非常無奈 |
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我們政府跟他說 還未來你請求 政府沒這麼多錢跟你的土地稅金可以兼顧嗎在這個過程當中 正是你認為一個土地放很久跟一個土地的稅金不允許對一般的我們的老百姓感到有利 |
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尤其我來自之前的地方的聽出北省的聲音北省說我的阿祖在等阿公在等我的爸爸在等到我現在已經三四十歲了問我們地方政府地方政府 |
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講到阿伯要用了 跟我們的政府也沒有錢可以讓你們請休所以北省的基盤 我要問政治有什麼方法可以解編嗎 |
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來我給委員報告我們嘉義市的土地價位公共設施的用地檢測對一百十年開始我們內建部已經補助五百萬然後百分之四十的四百萬的錢 |
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改善市政府去做改善市政府現在也在新澤中央它在84年就是今年它六月到八月有開市間的委員會跟14間的小組這個小組就是說經過我們地方的發展去檢討所以我們現在就是要求改善市政府比較快上來 |
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總之我們內政部因為基本上 我也80年補助他的今年84年的獎金要12個了還沒上來我們的要求他比較快上來你要求他比較快上來他要求的時間是這麼遙遠這麼久 |
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我們其實都有定期公佈各縣市政府上來都市界委的通盤檢討所以我們也都積極去催促因為我要向各位報告這我也要代表我們內政部在這裡跟周圍委員聽清就是說很多都市界委為什麼沒有過還是說公佈地沒檢討那其實不是我們內政部在那裡懂是地方政府他經過他自己很多的考量 |
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所以他到現在沒有送沒關係 我們現在的保證90年以後他的機制就是說你要轉案送你送一部分你一部分送來我就送你一部分送來我就送這樣就意思說我們如果想像我自己的 |
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想說北京路這非常重要幾十年幾十年還沒開闢只有中央政府想要開闢這個一生喪這個也可以喔是啦因為這次我感覺說 |
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電影要做也很辛苦的不可以我們中央的百分之百的專業是不是我們中央也要協助他對不對 說實在今天電影可以發展就是我們共同中央跟電影有未來嘛因為在我的角度我不覺得我的共用沒發展 |
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你如果看有高速公路什麼時候到日期的高速公路馬上就最差了結果到現在還沒有看到發展所以我希望 |
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董事要到三天假期期我們要假期期 營銷 考慮也考慮很多因為說到去關的人 也怕說我怕土地負擔 我怕土地健康 我怕土地什麼那怕什麼 我們也有辦法退回但是我們中央就是要協助他 要說為了發展 |
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我們會繼續在裡面三天這才是優惠的中央所以相關的通案的檢測我們的步驟而且我也有跟地方政府說你有多少案你已經處理了你就先上來你不用說等到全部都處理了再上來 |
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這樣一部分一部分 因為補充就也是覺得說土地價位是一個很詳細發展最重要的基本價位但是我們不能因為這個基本價位說要專門檢測到角角角再來新增 這樣都不會有我希望你不是對我解說這樣希望各縣市 你們都去講清楚好不好再來華智 |
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六月的時候本縣有幫你探討一個我們買房子的契約的補充嘛在本縣的要求說三個月來你要提出 但是我知道照說是要九月、週一、十月要提出今天已經11個月了啦在這個過程 我在你問的時候你也說希望我們這個可以改 |
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在這裏面我簡單跟你講這五條 |
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裡面的條款你認為對一條對北省最有利的對一條對北省最不利的簡單的第一條你的價金可以行第二條不同省台灣的信託基金的信託 |
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當要去處的人可以互相連帶保護再來公會可以連帶保護你認為在一條牆可以保護要去處的人保障 |
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當然第一個 價金返還 這個是對民眾是最好因為這樣還不會讓北省沒有人選擇選擇可以買一間房子 又變成我們有的樓下有夠悲哀 有夠可憐的啦但是北省因為 你覺得叫他到了要看清楚對他最不利的有帶一條來 |
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其他幾項的部分因為第一個有關於那個開發信託跟價金信託上市委員質詢之後我們就有修了相關的事情也在三個月之內預告那現在已經送行政院消保處來處理我知道你也有用心有關係去做那同業擔保的這個部分我們現在也是跟工會跟那個工會這邊有在做一些討論有沒有一些的一個健全的機制這樣你說了就中了 |
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工業的雷電寶,有的事業公司開,根本在後面都工廠的老闆他分一間、兩間、三間,跟他去那間就是這樣來的所以我來回答,在電視的最危險 |
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所以說我們應該還要保重備性的啦在這裡剛才我也跟你們說幾件自己的事的問題再加上你們有做完 |
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說實在,很用心,但是很用心的當中,我們希望還好不然有時候要簽名回訊,不想再看海龍龍了我這是感謝的,不去看會發生什麼事我們會把我們的進度也稍微報告委員常客好,董事長,我們今天有說到 |
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我們原住民的生活裡面我們要跟你說的就是平富族的生活我們的文化也一定在上面過去了但是在10月公佈之後現在我們的執法3月過2月現在再一次的時候我最擔心的就是 |
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我們的族群的認定跟簽合是現在的方法尤其現在的斯里亞族他的心情、他的定義是不是OK像這個問題你是不是可以簡單讓我回答一下我請袁明慧這邊說一遍好不好 |
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那目前就三個執法的部分目前都已經都在這個禮拜都已經發布施行這第一個部分喔這個禮拜喔 對對對那你不就聽到 現在我們要審這個 你們都要趕緊不然我拜他們的時候 你說還要一個還沒完成 跟你說這禮拜完成啊好啦 要做喔 要趕緊做 以上 |
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謝謝我們會召會 接下來我們請麥議政委員發言這主席有請內政部次長還有地政司長我們請內政部次長還有地政司長委員好 |
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市長好我們今天在這裡討論的是土地法第97條重點大致我們有四個方向第一原租屋有優先承租權第二 |
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限制房東收回自租一年內不得再出租第三限定租金漲幅及吃素第四適用全國所有去程不限定都會期但是呢我們注意到 |
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租賃租債市場發展及管理條例也就是俗稱的就是租賃專法第6條明文規定租賃租債之租金由 |
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出租人與成租人約定不適用土地法第97條規定那麼想請教今天我們所討論的土地法第97條修正內容將適用於什麼狀況還有什麼對象請 |
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跟委員報告一下原來的現行土地法97條的部分因為他對於租金管制的部分的話因為他是舊的很久以前就訂定的規定不合時宜所以我們派來租訂條例訂定的時候就有例如像委員講的就是排除土地法97條的適用這是第一個部分那第二個部分有關於這一次賴世保提案的部分 |
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是針對於整個續約權的一個保障還有續約租金的一個管控那這個部分的話我們現在租賃條例的部分也針對於這個部分在做增訂了相關的一個機制的條文而且會輔助了相關的配套所以在整個部分的話我們是建議在租賃條例裡面在併入裡面一起去做一個討論來做一個研議會比較完整很好就是我們考慮回到就是 |
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租賃專法來處理所以就是在居住正義的角度出發對於租金進行管制台灣民眾黨是支持的但現實生活中台灣目前就是租屋地消化的狀況很嚴重因為房東就是不讓你知道他在租房子所以再請教現在訂了那麼多條 |
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我们真的管得到吗这个要跟委员报告我们租赁条例的修法就是为了要让整个租屋市场透明化跟明确化那我们首先作业的事情就是我们有明确的定型化契约而且我们会检讨定型化契约现在市面上所有的租屋都必须依照定型化契约来拟定相关的租赁的过程 |
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在定型化契約裡面已經明確規範租賃雙方所有的權利那我們也會增加許多相關的權益的進一步的保障在整個租賃條那個契約書裡面所以這個定型化契約其實在一定程度上已經保障了我們租賃雙方的完整的權益那當然有很多空間還是值得討論那至於整個租屋市場的透明化我們也透過每年兩次的整個租金的公布 |
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因為我要跟委員報告就是說為什麼我們沒有辦法進行實價登錄是因為所有的租屋的住宅狀況地點地段房型還有他自己本身的所謂的裝修的狀況都不一我們沒有辦法跟買賣的狀況一樣是說我可以一次性的交付但是我知道你們講的很多但是我們就制定了很多但是你們怎麼去管理如果像你說的就是不要 |
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我們首先我們是要讓租屋市場透明化但是你們說不能透明化這樣子你訂那麼多你沒辦法我們會逐步公布所有相關的資訊對我們要的是租屋市場要透明化還有就是改革租賃相關的稅制讓房東願意浮上檯面讓租屋願意 |
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出租房子後面相關的租期或者租金的管制才真正的實現的空間就是像說你們看放眼看世界各國的經驗也是這樣子做雖然人家失敗很多次但是人家成功了所以我們要的是這樣子的一個問題 |
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我們相關的租稅也跟財政部都討論過所以財政部會協助我們在整個租稅的優惠特別是公益出租人的部分講得很好所以在今年9月18日內政部也對外宣布了已經在部務會報通過租賃專法的部分條款修正草案 |
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当时我们的刘部长也表示本次修法以保障三年租期限制续约租金涨幅及强化租赁双方权利的保障为三大方向目的在于就是让租客能稳定安居房东出租也更安心 |
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推動租屋市場長期的穩定發展建立互信共贏的租屋環境但是 |
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距離現在已經過了2個月所以也沒有送到我們立法院所以請問你們的進度到哪裡了是否在一個月內讓我們看到你們的版本呢我們會緊述將相關版本送入 |
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到現在還沒有看到啊我們需要跟剛才跟委員報告大院已經主舉辦過好公聽會那我們也在整理相關公聽會的意見還有外界有許多的意見我們正在整理當中我們透過這些意見整理之後我們會緊述將法案提入所以會在一個禮拜還是一個月我們會緊述提出 |
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所以我們是希望就是為了落實居住正義解決租市黑市問題租黑市的問題所以台灣民眾黨黨團早已經在去年113年10月25日提出租賃專法的修正版本修正重點包括就是抑制租金上漲的歧視 |
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是吧 |
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價實價登錄系統讓租屋資訊透明化讓就是當然我們國民黨這邊也有版本喔政府本來應該帶頭推動穩定租屋市場但內政部和我們行政院動作缺就是像烏龜那樣大大爬爬到現在還沒看到所以在野黨提出的版本已經 |
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過去一年多了還要我們等多久所以呢我們要的就是居住正義不是口號是每一天都在壓迫年輕人新鮮人新住民弱勢家庭的真實痛苦所以只要政府願意動起來很快的 |
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我們要把透明合理公平的制度建立好租屋市場就能真正的穩定我們會持續監督也繼續推動讓台灣從 |
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租屋黑市走向租得起租得安心的正常市場我們要的是真正的有效率啦不是說再研議又再討論這兩個白天拿起來你們就擠牌就好了不用再講我們其實相關的租金的公布尾聲我們都有公布我們會努力謝謝 |
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好謝謝蔓玉珍委員接下來有請王建斌召委主席好謝謝主席我們有請內政部董事長有請內政部次長 |
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主席委員好市長好市長延續我們禮拜一本席跟內政部討論的這個工地放領的議題那台東縣政府有提報無比現有的現有地的放領的案件這個案件經過台東縣政府地政處查刊審議也符合我們國有耕地放領實施辦法 |
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那台東縣政府希望我們內政部能夠盡快報行政院來審核讓縣政府可以實地的進行我們工地放寧的審議的這個相關的程序那為什麼台東縣政府會希望我們總要趕快來進出審核因為工地放寧清澈的這個審議要經過地方政府的這個審議會嘛但是我們工地放寧其實停辦至今也將近18年 |
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那熟悉相關業務的同仁其實很多都退休了那如果地方政府如果先把這個增益少的一些案件先跑一遍的話那讓第一線同仁能夠熟悉辦理的這個流程將來國安署把這個752筆的這個清澈送到縣政府審查的時候第一線人員一定會疲於奔命那所以就為了讓我們台東縣的這個工地放年政策能夠順利的推動那本縣要求我們內政部儘速將這無比土地報請行政院來核准 |
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讓台東縣政府可以提早完善這個審議的流程市長怎麼看我請市長做說明市長委員好委員非常關心台東的一個工地放寧的這部分那也誠如委員所說因為工地放寧到現在已經停辦了17年所以很多基層的同仁其實也不清楚這個狀況那因為我們現在的話其實也針對於宜蘭的大南澳地區現在在做一個示範 |
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那整個一個作業的流程包含到一個作業的一個作業標準我們到時候也會跟縣市政府的同仁一起來做分享這第一個部分那第二個台南的那個台東的這無比土地的部分因為他會涉及到說因為現在政策重啟的部分是針對於國有 |
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的跟平地跟地跟養殖用地那有關於縣市有的土地的部分因為他會涉及到整個放零的辦法跟土地法25條的規定那這個部分我們也會再下來會來跟縣市政府一起來研究這個縣市有的土地應該要去怎麼樣去做一個處理要不要拿到這部分那請我們部裡面這邊盡快的送我們行政院那早一點讓台東縣政府這個相關的 |
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業務能夠趕快來審議不然你真的是 如果真的未來真的整個一百 你剛才講七百多筆 如果整個開始清查的時候那個沒有經驗的話他真的會很一團亂那這邊好 謝謝我們市長跟董政次這邊的答覆也請盡快來幫忙那現在我想要請雲美副主委那兩位請休息請副主委 |
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本席來自台東縣大午鄉我們大午鄉的原住民人口將近六成那隔壁鄉的達人鄉也將近九成以上都是原住民那台東縣這個大家庭其實是由多元的族成 |
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多元的族群組成我們都 我都說我們台東是一個多元的社會多元的一個社會那台東人也常常說一句話就是台東只有四種人家人 朋友朋友的家人跟家人的朋友所以世世代代我們都在這塊土地上共榮共好 |
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那這幾年我們這幾年拍馬里鄉的這個金針山的這個原保地的問題造成了許多的爭議那我們希望原民會身為主管機關也必須要介入給予更多的輔導跟協助那避免族群之間發生這樣的衝突那副主委應該知道說金峰相公所的 |
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曾經發文要求金針山的這個陳出元寶地的這個非原住民到公所說明說為什麼要佔用然後未來說如果不來說明就要採取這件事情這對於這個使用者來說他們雖然沒有原住民的這個身份但是在原鄉生活其實已經開墾都到第三代甚至第四代 |
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那因為現在因為這個元寶地的這個使用的問題也可能面臨這個拆屋還地的狀況離開原本它就是工作生活的地方衍生許多多的問題那這些非原住民的使用者過去他都是合法層出那相關的使用清查金額都還有資料可以查 |
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他們可能也沒有想要去佔用原保地這件事情但也願意配合機關來進行改善就是說希望能夠繼續在原本的土地上繼續的工作跟生活因此本席也希望原民會可以跟我們地方的鄉鎮公所一起來合作給予相關的使用人改善的時間並介入輔導我想政策一定要有配套讓不同族群的人都可以共同為這塊土地為原鄉來 |
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這部分請主委回覆一下好謝謝委員的這個關心這個金針山的議題其實這個在原住民保護地的使用上其實一直以來都是一個很有爭議的一個案件那到目前為止其實會裡面針對這些所謂現在所謂的非法使用的部分我們原則上是勤理法先從勤的方面去處理原則上要走到法的部分事實上每一個案子都走了五年到十年 |
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那事實上都不斷的去輔導他因為有一些是既有是有承租權只是後來違反了規定那個都在輔導希望他們能夠繼續使用所以我們原則上其實是希望說在這塊土地上如果早期真的有使用的施施我們願意也希望他們能夠繼續的使用來照顧他的生計但是很明顯在近期有些違法的甚至已經破壞到這個水土保持的我們會比較優先處理那剛剛委員提的這個部分我們剛剛同仁跟我反映說 |
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目前好像有一批金峰鄉公署有做一些公告那可能他那個公告的內容有一些問題縣府已經退回去了那這個我們會再去關心看後續應該怎麼協調來輔導 |
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讓整個事情不要造成一個非常嚴重的衝突副主委其實大家都在那塊土地生活這麼久我想有一些東西我們身為主管單位的原民會原保地主管單位原民會能夠適時來借助的話也能夠減少這樣的糾紛畢竟可能這些人他長期都一起生活因為為這些事情弄得族群上的對立我覺得這是很不樂見的 |
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那其實副主委很清楚知道台東的狀況就是其實原漢的問題其實大家都生活圈都在一起那這個部分我們希望園民會呢遇到未來相關的情況能夠事實來協助大家因為我們現在送的這個原住民土地的管理條例那事實上有些內容針對非原住民使用的部分 |
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也有一些調整跟那個改善的部分那也請到時候審議的時候也請委員這邊多多支持好謝謝副主委副主委那另外還有一件事情要請副主委協助就是那這兩年我們台東這個飽受颱風好雨清洗從去年的這個山脫雨跟抗潤還有今年的丹納斯颱風728好雨對於我們台東縣的原鄉都造成很大的傷害像金峰鄉啦海端鄉啦因為颱風 |
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關西造成淘櫃道路中斷或是基礎設施流失民眾一直一度沒有辦法對外的通行泰馬里鄉的是遇到這個溪流暴漲潰堤造成竹人土地的流失那這一次丹利斯颱風還有728淘櫃災後復建重建的特別預算中 |
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我們原民會有編列45億元那要用在原住民地區的災後重建工作那本席雖然不是原住民那但是我出生在原鄉我非常了解我們非常也關心原鄉這個基礎工程的發展那副主委很清楚就是 |
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相關的計劃經費的申請我們原鄉公所的人力其實很有限那進行起來其實也相對的是有很多的困難希望副支委能夠務必的來請我們同仁主動來積極的協助我們的鄉鎮公所然後你去申請重建的計劃也積極的督促其他的重要的業管單位能夠趕快來幫助我們原鄉進行重建的工作讓鄉親可以儘早的回復正常的生活 |
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以確保我們鄉親的安全那這部分再請副主委這邊跟會員這邊來請協助我們公署我相信那個委員跟我一樣也是阿美族的阿爪那相信這對主人的照顧都是盡心盡力那剛委員提的那幾個鄉鎮公所我們會個別再去了解那有需要協助的部分我們盡力的去協助好 謝謝副主委 謝謝主席 |
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謝謝我們王建斌召委執行 我們有請劉錫廷委員執行謝主席 董事長有請有請董事長委員好 市長早安 |
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土地法97條土地法在民國89年做文字上的修正之後有沒有還有沒有任何修正的的跡象沒有對不對那上一次他制定的時候是民國35年是不是有些不合時宜 |
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我們要看相關的一些規範有些地方已經不合時宜再不能使用有些地方我們還是土地的狀況還是類似的所以我們可能還是繼續沿用這樣好 今天有委員提出土地法的修法其實就是點出了它不合時宜這件事我舉一個例子 |
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這個土地法理論上來講應該是一個基本法律的概念就是比較大不投的法案但很多奇怪的法律有排除適用比如說住宅法第25條涉災租金不受土地法限制租賃住宅市場發展及管理條例租賃專法第6條排除適用土地法國有財產法第43條排除適用土地法不動產證券化條例第24條及第34條之一排除不動產投資跟資產信託的租金限制反正 |
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12345678910幾個法律啊都排除了土地法97條的這樣子的一個適用 |
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市長原因是什麼我想因為時代的不同過去我們土地第一個比方說像剛才談到的土地證券的部分類似是過去這10年來台灣全球最大的土地的運作的模式那這樣子一個運作的模式在當前從民國35年所制定法案到現在當然是不合時宜所以它必須要被抬起所以確實不合時宜也有修正必要我想市長應該不會反對這件事但修正的時候到底往哪一個方向其實是更值得大家來做 |
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深入討論的嘛現在賴志寶委員提的獨立條97條的修正他其實初衷其實也蠻明顯的我覺得絕對是本於善意也就是不希望再出現所謂的惡意漲租啊這樣一個狀況希望可以保障相對有租屋需求的這些人不要讓房客處於弱勢這當然是一個很棒的民生法案那但實務上的節奏和法律內涵這希望花一點時間跟董事長來做一下探討 |
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所以我想大家都不反對這個不合時宜的法規要做合理的修正跟討論嘛那請問現在以內政部的立場來講如果要修正相關的法條的話你們希望的狀況是什麼 |
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我們目前還是針對租賃條例來做修正那租賃條例也感謝大委會會在上個禮拜我們舉行了那個相關的公聽會也非常感謝委員特別來場聆聽也給我們很多的指導那我想整個的租賃條例的修正我們大概是幾個方向除了我們限制整個的相關的漲幅跟續租權 |
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那最重要的是我們要保障租賃雙方的所有的權利的對等那所以我們增訂了對於不良房東不良房客相關的處分那更重要的事情是我們希望能夠跟那個司法院合作將公證權公證的部分把它搶好因為我現在我們還是回到現在今天我們討論主體是土地法97條 |
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既然他不核十一那他必然有修正的必要嘛但他修正的方向就很重要也就是說我要讓他核十一的時候我應該是要對齊當下的需求嘛那從對齊當下需求的想法還是說你土地法要重新有更符合時下需求的修正方式然後讓他重新取得主導地位他大概是這兩條路嘛以內政部的立場來講你覺得修法的方向應該是朝向對齊現行這些排除適用的邏輯就好還是說我要重新確保他的主體性 |
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請 沒關係第一個如果單純只有修97條的部分有關於租金續約權跟租金管制的部分可能會有點不足因為還有相關的配套因為整個一個租金的管制其實對於市場會有一些相關的影響那如果沒有相關的配套如果單純只有處理這一條 |
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可能還是會對於市場會有衝擊所以我們是會建議從租賃條例裡面來做所以你們其實希望先修租賃條例嘛那很好 那租賃條例現在有沒有明確的時間表從上一次的公訂會到現在對不對 你在收集意見的階段那具體來講 因為奈委員提這個的初衷是希望這個不要被惡意漲租嘛幾星動電是要保障租客的權益嘛 對不對那你們現在 現在大家的方向其實都是一致的也就是說租賃條例要做一定的調整跟修正 |
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但是如果沒有具體的時間會不會一直空轉呢對不對所以這個東西才會被排上排上今天的議程來做提早討論嘛那現在來講我們就回到註定條例如果內政部希望透過修註定條例的方式可以解決徹底解決這個問題的話那請問相關的時間表現在部裡面有打算嗎有我們還是緊速會送到因為我們還要先報行政院我們會緊速報行政院之後趕快送進大會 |
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對啊 就是這樣嘛你的流程大家都很清楚內部討論 收集意見完之後報行政院 同意之後送到立法院附會討論對不對但每次都是報行政院這一關它可長可短啊比如說行政區劃法對不對我們從第一會議報到最後結果還是 |
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國會先行嘛 對不對那當然最後也有圓滿的結果那我覺得也各種方法都可以嘗試但我總希望我們的政府在談修正法令的時候他有個明確的時間表嘛比如說這個會期結束前他一定會通過行政院的程序可能第五會期大家會進入注定條例內容的討論在立法院有辦法給出比較明確的時間表嗎 |
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我們目前大概在跟行政院說商看看如果可以的話我們當然希望能夠在這個會期結束前我們把它送進來但是我們還是要看行政院的立場好 但第二是針對內容的部分我們可以做提早討論其實租賃專訪我們第一會期就討論過 |
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對不對第一會期討論的時候本席的版本其實早就放在那邊就是就是租屋市場透明的而且我還寫的還蠻保守的就先從包租貸款這一部分一起透明那時候大家講說這樣子會造成租金的提早上漲啊房東們會超前部署啊可能會影響市場價格講的壓力很大那現在啊這行政院提出來講說要限制租金漲跌幅會不會出現一樣的問題啊 |
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我刚才也跟委员会报告过就是说我们有了解到这样的状况所以我们大概基本上朝两个方向我们跟财政部协商大概第一个就是说我们会鼓励那个公益房东的出现也就是说我们透过税优的方式鼓励更多人加入这都既有的机制没有错那第二个就是说我们会透过相关的税率的方式将91万的余屋空余屋我们把它合理释出 |
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那這些前提條件因為現在內政部的租賃專法當然就很多正版意見都有其實我們都有感受到嘛這個房東也擔心租賃業者也擔心房客也沒有信心現在狀況是有點這樣所以當然要經過更充分的討論但我本席認為核心的概念還是透明啊 |
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因為誰能夠保證在現在這種不透明的狀況大家可以私底下交易的情況即便你有了租賃專法限制房租漲跌幅他會不會表面上給你一套私底下大家現金交易有沒有可能發生這種事應該是有可能吧 |
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我想這個我們從過去住宅實價登錄的過程它其實需要一個一段時間是嘛 對啊那租賃條例的修正之後我們在租金市場上所以我們部長會逐步就是說我們先透過區域的相關的租金的資訊的公佈我們透過這樣的方式逐步逐步來做整體的資訊的透明化 |
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我想事情是漸進的發生大家會比較習慣我一下冒然的出現很多東西的時候其實那個黑市的存在反而會更大對沒錯你講的真好所以我就是在想這個所以我之前我特別要藉今天的題目來去問租賃專法的修訂進度就是如此即便是這個租賃專法以內政部現在提出來版本它其實是大幅修正的狀態 |
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大幅修正的時候其實會遇到很多很多的阻力那我本身就建議你現在可以分階段走啊比如說我們怎麼先來完整的落實租市場透明化我再來看看市場的反應來做後續比如說我要不要加漲列幅限制我要不要把這些 |
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這個比較有爭議的或者是壓力比較大的來做改革跟突破我覺得至少要穩步向前但如果今天都沒有聽到的時候那大家就會有的想說修土地法有的想說修住宅法有的想說那到了最後其實到了最後都要卡那個地方我覺得也是不好所以我希望董事今天藉著這一點點時間趕快把租賃市場專法的具體的時間表你要回覆給內政委員會 |
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第二個在租賃專法修正的這些重大項目裡面哪一些是比較容易的或許我們可以先走我覺得這不失為一個辦法漸進式的來完成市場的透明然後再進入到合理的管制並且兼顧雙方的利益我覺得這才是大家到最後會達成共識的一個方向但我覺得可以分步先走而且不要因為大部分的法案很多意見就卡在那個地方可以嗎這是本期的一些建議謝謝委員的建議我們會照委員的建議我們逐步逐步往前推進謝謝 |
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謝謝劉許廷委員 劉許委員提到相關修法的時間表也請來跟我們委員會這邊來說那接下來請我們李博議員發言謝謝 請董政次請董政次董事長 |
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委員好謝謝次長今天我們內政委員會排的這個土地法等等相關的這些修法的內容其實不外乎大家對於這個租金是有一些關心跟意見那所以我就從租賃市場這邊來先跟你談那很多委員也都在關心這個租賃條例什麼叫上路我這邊的意見其實有一點類似就是說 |
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時間當然很重要但是最重要的是整個租賃市場的穩定就整個房東跟房客之間的信任關係不要因為一個好意的這個租賃條例那造成的這些可能會 |
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短時間的一些震盪我想這個是我們必須要最去考量的東西那我從這個現在目前整個內政在包含整個財政遇到的狀況我們其實推行了第三年的租金補貼這個租金補貼的狀況在前一年第一年有很多這些房客 |
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或者是很多房東會來問到底這個會不會被課稅或等等的這些問題我想我們目前都還目前都還是在鼓勵所有的房客來申請的階段所以目前都還沒有這些問題但是沒有申請到的他可能是有一些狀況真的沒有辦法來申請的就是違建不能申請頂樓加蓋的套房不能申請市長 |
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陽台外推的套房不能申請嗎這個部分跟委員報告我們是從115年起我們會規範就是說租金補貼不再接受無稅級或未保存登記建物的新申請方案也就是新案的部分我們就不接受所以舊的還可以嗎舊的還有一年的緩衝期間這是第一個所以說這些有可能會變成黑數 |
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你講的很正確就是緩衝今天就是要跟你討論緩衝這件事情那如何讓緩衝這些事情讓現在目前今年住在頂樓夾蓋今年住在陽台外推或者是今年 |
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租在相關的這些可能沒有辦法申請的這些他明年就要搬了那這些我們怎麼樣讓他更有緩衝的條件不管是讓房東或者是讓房客更有緩衝的要件包含什麼包含我們現在目前很多社宅也開始上路了那這些人他有沒有機會在社宅的部分我們可以先媒合等等的這些所有的狀況其實都是緩衝可以去做的事情 |
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這是我在這邊要提出的建議另外 |
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委員是否容許我好讓你回應一下首先第一個就是說2026年這相關的只要是舊案代入的都不會有問題他就是那一年明年一年整年都還充期那同時在明年這一年我們會做兩件事情第一個就是如同剛剛委員所提到的我們包括包租代管包括那個社宅我們會提供給這一些相對弱勢戶大概100多1000多戶的弱勢戶 |
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他們會有一些優先權而且我們會主動去輔導另外還有一些部分就是比較是年輕人他會去租在這一些所謂的違建的部分裡面我們會跟教育部合作去輔導學生們去轉租到比較安全的地方這是我們目前兩個最主要的政策好 那我另外跟你討論一個目前這個才化法的狀況跟縣市的這些分配的比例比如說台北 新北 台中 |
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那目前可能財化法依照目前通過的版本行政院版目前還是在程序委員會被封殺目前被通過的版本裡面那中央的一般性補助款跟計劃型補助款我想內政部是不是已經沒有空間沒有餘力來在明年度的這些租金補貼可以來補助或者是可能要地方負擔反過來原本是7比3現在反過來要3比7了市長你有沒有做相關的這些演繹 |
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這個部分先跟委員報告就是說至少在明年在明年我們基本上整個的百萬租屋家庭計劃的部分租金補貼的部分我們還是屬於計劃型補助所以我們現在回到上一頁計劃型補助你看一下依照現行通過的計劃型補助明年度行政院計劃型補助只剩下308億那內政部你自己要先想一下怎麼跟地方談這是先提醒你 |
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接下來其實我講一個比較好的好一點的政策在今年內政部9月提出來的就是婚育宅兩年加碼50%以及 |
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如果婚育宅之后生一胎再加码50%我非常支持这个政策但是我还是担心相关这些预算的来源那所以最终的预算来源还是必须要透过行政院院版的这个院版的这个才化法来回到才化法那一页如果依照再提醒你一下依照现在的才化法 |
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行政院只剩下308億的計劃型補助你剛剛講的那些我們完全都做不到完全都必須要由地方來支應那我們就開始加碼了啊國民黨最會了啊要開始加碼 加50%不夠 加100%好了因為地方買單所以我覺得我們回到一個健全的這個財政以及政策要真正可以落實到年輕人或者是真正可以落實到這個弱勢 |
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爭取租屋補貼的這些朋友們那可以真正拿到政府的這些相關的補助的話我覺得我們還是我們還是會努力的趕快在財化法方面來做一些努力啦那也再次提醒董事長我在今年11月5號的時候在 |
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任性特别条例里面针对内政部有通过我们的老宅延寿里面他大部分针对四到六楼当天部长有指示针对高雄的国贸社区也应该要纳入老宅延寿的这个范围里面那我也在11月12的时候发文给内政部 |
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要求內政部對於國貿社區納入老宅延壽的這些相關的進度也請市長回去跟國土署相關的單位對於國貿社區這些外牆脫落沒有能力去做這一些整理的部分趕快併入老宅延壽的這些範圍市長 |
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果貿就在我們家附近我爸媽家附近所以我很清楚我也了解委員非常關切果貿的發展那麼我們會持續用都更或者是相關的基金這是老宅延壽的經費因為這個部分老宅延壽它是涉及到四到六層樓對 劉部長11月5號在這邊有具體承諾所以你會去確認一下我再跟國土署確認我們儘量可以補助我們就儘量來處理對 謝謝 |
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謝謝李博議員接下來我們請徐宇珍委員發言謝謝主席我們請董事長請董事長 |
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委員好市長好市長我們今天要討論的是有關土地法裡面的租屋市場的相關問題因為我們現在的租屋市場事實上是高度的扭曲而且資訊不透明住宅價格所得比也惡化台北市要16年不吃不喝新北市要14年不吃不喝全國平均也要10年所以導致租屋的需求增加 |
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本来我们在土地法第97条是希望年租金不得超过申报总额的10%是要保护弱势的成租人但是演变到现在 |
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已經對出租人不利但是對成租人的保護也有限根據土地法97條它是在民國35年既有的住宅市場環境下所建構的請問次長10%是否能是合理妥適的社會成本與利益平衡點 |
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我想我們請市長來回應但是我先跟委員報告就是說目前土地法第97條的修正案我們希望能夠說因為它我們現在有租賃專法我們希望透過租賃專法完整的來做說明因為只修97條它可能會有不夠完整的部分所以我們希望說我等一下也會請教您的我們請市長 |
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包委員就陳儒委員所說的因為土地法97條是比較早期的規定所以在我們106年去訂定租賃條例的時候其實已經把這個部分的相關租金管制的規定已經把它排除適用在你們的報告裡面有提到嘛那我現在想要請教次長就是說根據這租賃條例來說的話現在有辦法保障租者續租的時候不會被房東的這個過度的這個調漲房租嗎 |
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目前現階段的法令沒有辦法做完整的保障所以我們現在提出新的修法的方案那也感謝委員會日前召開公聽會那公聽會有提供許多學者專家還有包括委員也都提供我們非常寶貴的意見我們現在正在整理相關的意見所以現行的事實上是沒有辦法保證嗎沒有辦法完全保障 |
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那所以说我们可以看到因为为什么没办法完整保障事实上我们从我们现行的这租赁条例里面事实上也看不到就是有具体的租金率的计算标准调整公式而且为什么赖斯堡委员会提出这97条的修正草案其实就是因为我们看不到那请问内政部为什么没有办法定定租赁相关施行的细则呢 |
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這個公委員報告一下因為我們現在也在研修租賃條例那有關於賴委員這次提案的部分第一個有關於續租權的部分那我們有提在租賃條例裡面有一個最短三年租期的保障的這個續約的部分已經有把它納進去做一個研議 |
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那第二个有关于租金涨幅的部分在赖委员的部分这边有一个依照物价指数里面的房租指数来调整那这个部分在我们现在的条例里面租赁条例的修法也有纳进去相关的机制刚刚有提到这个租赁条例的修法但请问一下是不是有对各县市住宅租金市场进行系统性的调查那各区域的实际的租金报酬率跟合理水准有没有重大的偏离呢 |
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這個部分的話我們每年現在是會兩期公佈我們的一個租金的一個行情的統計那個從去年的7月開始做起所以去年7月就有公佈了嗎對所以去年的7月有公佈那今年的2月呢今年2月也有7月也都公佈了那7月公佈的話針對剛剛講的這個實際的這個租金報酬率跟合理水準有沒有重大的偏離呢 |
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我們是公佈整個租金行情的中位數就每個行政區就全部的所以目前對這個部分事實上內政部這邊也沒有評估是嗎你們只有公佈數據但並沒有去評估說這個到底這個數據我們的現在的合理水準有沒有重大偏離是嗎 |
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合理水準的部分應該是可能要跟委員請教一下就是說我們現在的實際的租金的報酬率因為事實上我們知道很多黑數嘛那有很多人可能不申報有可能低報這都有可能那事實上你們有沒有辦法掌握它跟實際上的這個合理水準有沒有重大的便利 |
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跟委員報告一下這個部分的話我們公布的這個統計數據是依照我們現在掌握的租金補貼的實際的申報的一個金額來做一個計算沒有申報的或者是說黑數的話事實上我們是沒辦法掌握的因為我們這次的樣本數大概是有60萬筆以上那大概 |
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70万笔以上所以那个部分大概是租屋市场我的意思就是说既然我们现在要修租赁条例那应该就要把这个完整的相关的资讯都应该要合理的这个统计出来你才有办法真正去修嘛那另外的话就是针对我们现在的这个300亿元的这个扩大租金补贴的新制度你们现在要这个115年起就要将未完成保存登记建物的这个排除再申请的资格外嘛 |
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针对救护的话就缓冲一年那我想请教一下这个部分我们其实这个300亿的扩大住民补贴是在111年7月1号就上路了为什么当时不做这样的规定而现在才做这样的规定那是不是因为要在初期你们要为了追求量力的绩效所以说就完全没有把这个排除在外然后现在因为绩效好了那也都达到目标所以现在又把这些人排除在外了 |
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跟委員報告我們當初在推動的時候其實基本上就是為了要照顧所有的租屋族的弱勢者那後來我們發現有些少數的房東 極少數的房東他利用這樣一個租金補貼的漏洞他自己在同一個門牌號碼上或者是相關的建物的空間 他進行違裝 |
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那个违章的改建那用这样的方式事实上是获取不当利得也没有办法保障我们租客的安全我的意思就是说111年施行到现在今天已经114年了这么多年了为什么现在才忽然说要在明年度那是当然你们的内容是说为了居住安全 |
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然后后来现在因为为了居住安全那其实基本上对于旧户你们是可以缓冲一年好那这一年难道就没有居住安全的问题吗我们在这一年里面我们会有积极的作为就是说我们会针对这些相关的住户我们第一个就如同我刚刚讲的针对实质上的经济或社会弱势户我们会透过包租贷款业者主动去辅导他们 |
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可是我們事實上包租代管的住宅其實也是相對有限還有包括社宅都相對有限對 我們會擴大我們的相關的量能這部分也要跟委員報告對 我的意思就是說因為其實針對這些比較弱勢的他真的才會去租什麼頂樓加蓋 陽台他就是相對弱勢的人可是現在你當時沒有施行現在經過5年後要施行的時候事實上現在的租金一路高漲因為過去26年來平均每個月都漲2% |
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所以你變成說一路高漲的狀況之下呢你現在忽然跟他們講說你只能在一年的時間你現在不能再住了對他們來說如果當時租金還在比較低的時候他也許還可以租到比較好的房子你現在忽然要他明年要搬離開這些地方現在租金這麼高事實上他更找不到好的房子所以我覺得這個政策的話你們現在忽然做這樣的改變而且這樣用居住安全的方式我們覺得過去難道這個就有安全 |
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就没有安全的问题吗未来才有安全的问题吗那这一年你刚讲了万一在这一年中因为缓冲的时间有发生了什么问题那请问一下内政部要怎么处理第一个我还是跟委员报告我们会积极辅导这一些相关的弱势户那我们目前清查这些弱势户大概有一千多户我们会主动的去协助而且根据我们社会住宅包租贷款条例里面这一些弱势户本来就享有较低的租金的补贴 |
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所以針對這些弱勢戶請內政部一定要好好地來去輔導他們那還有針對剛剛我講的這個部分可能也是要好好地來去處理然後另外就是剛剛講到就是說一個具體的剛剛講的住任條例的具體的時程剛剛次長有講說應該希望這個會期能夠送來我們委員會是嗎 |
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我們希望看行政院方面指示我們儘快那可能也請跟行政院這邊呢好好來公佈一下這個對我們現在的廣大租屋族非常有需要是好謝謝謝謝委員謝謝徐宇珍委員接下來我們請吳啓明委員發言 |
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好 召委 議會同仁 請我們內政部的董事長請董事長以及我們地政司的司長還有林司長好 次長現在針對土地法第97條的第一項現在我們都知道現在的市場市場機制我們過去現行的97條 |
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第一項關於我們建築物申報的總價總價額連息10%為上限這已經不符合現在整個市場的機制那我看台北市108年就宣佈排除適用以土地法那你全國跟中央跟台北市還有我們全國的各鄉各縣市 |
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他們處理的態度都沒有一致性那我請問一下我們的處長你現在真正對全國的問題這要怎麼去處理現在台北市新北市有沒有跟進那全國你中南部呢這請處長來做說明 |
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抱歉委員那我們現在所做法就是全國一致來處理這樣子那我們透過租賃條例的修法而不是僅僅只有只有土地法第97條我們希望透過這樣的方式讓能夠所有的相關的租金跟租屋的市場能夠全國一致性的規範這樣子社長因為 |
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包括北部我們在我們都會區都會區你說租金跟你現行的我們的法令規定絕對不符合所以今天召委排這個案子我認為我們說應該要來做修改不然這已經不符合我們整個市場的需求 |
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因為現在的錢都是非常多嘛你至今你還要把它壓低跟我們所申報的公告地價的話那偏差都非常大這一點我們是勢必一定要來做修改 |
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這邊跟委員報告一下因為土地法97條就誠如委員講的其實是早期的立法現在其實已經不合時宜所以106年我們在修租賃條例的時候第6條就有規定到一個租賃住宅的租金是排除土地法97條的適用那這個排除是全國一起適用那包含各個縣市的所有的住宅都適用到這個規定好的好的因為不適宜現在 |
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現在整個市場我們都要來做修改因為我們現在還有很多社宅包含我們的包租代管這種都要符合整個市場機制你要推動才能推動更順這點就是我們要來用市長你請回座我問地震師市長市長土層施法延期目前的進度怎樣 |
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包委員那個土層施法園區的部分的話第一個所有地的分配給地主的部分都已經完成那第二個部分的話工程的話從去年就開始執行那現在會有一些進度稍微delay的地方主要是在於有些樹木必須去移植那必須要報新北市政府在這邊來做一個同意那第二個部分的話就是 |
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有關於整個一個這邊的一個台電的部分原來是準備用69KV的一個電路那現在因為考量到整個一個土層的一個用電的需求所以要改成161KV的一個大電的一個變壓器變電所全部都要去做改所以那個相關的一些道路規劃的部分我們會再做一些修正不過整個工期我們會趕快來緊迫 |
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來趕上公企好像有延後有延後 我們延後多久的時間大概是現在大概是半年到一年的時間等於說我們預期的還要再延一年 差不多一年那我們現在是希望可以把它盡量再縮短下來 |
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因為這我們速度一定要快這才符合我們整個司法延期的推動因為未來還要牽扯到看守所的搬遷以及我們帝王法院跟我們的地檢署所以這整個我們的工期已經不能再拖了OK 好不好我們會加速好好好 謝謝謝謝委員的關心 謝謝 |
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好謝謝吳啟明委員接下來我們請賴氏寶委員發言謝謝召委以及各位先進這個有請我們的內政部的有請董事長委員好 |
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兩位長官好 首先還是要謝謝召委排這個題目這個題目社會其實很關心台灣的租屋亂象大家都知道很多房東因為就有個房子亂漲價這個市長能不能告訴我們現在平均租金房租的上漲平均一年是百分之多少 |
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年2到3%2到3%但是有些房東一漲就是5%到20% |
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這個例子很多特別是我剛在說明的時候那個小吃店啦或者生意稍微好一點的很小的店面他賺的錢都沒多少幾乎全部被房租一漲就漲兩倍這樣兩倍就漲啦這個5到20%客氣的有的就翻倍漲啦那這個東西就逼著這個中小企業一定要關門一定要歇業這其實是非常不公平 |
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我幾個問題就請教啦就幾個第一個我們現在這個房價 實價登錄可以不可以房租也實價登錄可不可以 |
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這個部分跟委員報告我們目前現在先採行的是一個漸進式的方式所以我們會在每年的2月跟7月我們公布每個區域的平均房價就是我們用四分位數區域太粗啦能不能再細一點我們有把它區域再細化到一個比較多大範圍 |
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跟委員報告一下第一個實價登錄的部分現在是針對於只要是仲介成交的租賃案件或是我們包租代管業包租的案件這個一定都已經明定要必須做一個實價登錄所以在我們現在實價登錄有公報上網嗎有有有那個民眾都可以公開去查詢那另外我們為了讓整個一個資訊更加一個豐富然後透明 |
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那我們現在一年大概都會公佈兩期的一個租金統計那是用我們有60多萬戶的一個租補的案件如果有一個不正常的漲價你們有沒有什麼措施政策的措施可以去比如說甘綠啦 最少怎麼突然比如說同一個路段同一個區段怎麼突然漲到30%突然漲到50%這個勒 |
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应该跟委员报告一下委员提到的一个涨租的情况其实我们现在也在研议租赁条例的部分因为有关于第一个委员关心的第一个是续租的问题第二个就是涨幅的一个部分所以现在我们在做租赁条例的一个研修的部分这两个也都有考量进去我就请教具体的因为我的题目很简单很具体我们的涨幅有没有可能 |
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按照歐洲一些國家的做法當然他比較有點社會主義但是我們本來不是完全資本主義要照顧一個比較弱勢的有沒有可能比如說一年只能漲一次可以這樣規定第二個他的漲幅一定要跟CPI跟我們的物價連動 |
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當然不等於物價CPI譬如說我們就平均以現在來講的話年平均是2.1%2到3%這跟我們CPI差不多你不能把它入法說我就是跟著CPI一起走 |
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超過了五項會不會有問題跟委員報告我們目前所草擬的那個相關的租賃條例的修正案包括在公聽會上面提到就是這樣子方案就是跟CPR連動然後同時我們的漲幅的時間就是說在續約的時間一年只能夠漲一次可以不可以續約的時候就是一年續約的時候可以漲但是如果說你一次簽三年約你就是三年內就是同樣的幅度同樣的租金不能漲 |
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我们是希望说一次性三年之内就不能长约我们是希望能够长约保障大家因为也跟委员报告我们的资料显示台湾的房租房东大概89%是义乌房东义乌房东其实对房东本身来讲他也比较喜态就是说是一个稳定性的状态所以房东跟房客之间彼此是一个稳定的状态所以我们希望透过这样子一个立法的修法也感谢贵院给我们很多指导 |
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我們希望能夠讓就如同委員的建議一樣讓整個租賃市場是朝向一個比較穩定的發展提了這些東西什麼時候發給出來我們希望能夠在我們現在正在討論裡面那我們希望能夠這個會期送那個行政院討論之後看能不能送出這樣 |
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那我們可以期待因為這個會期我們會延到月底可以期待一月底之前你們會送到立法院我們會再跟行政院溝通就是第一個他的簽約期不能亂漲對吧一年兩年三年就是維持這個租率租金第二個他要跟著CPI連動對就是他續租的時候就跟CPI連動也就是說我再具體一點他的漲幅不能超過CPI要這樣說嗎 |
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我们目前的方向是如此所以就是确定第一个按照约之内不能够乱涨第二个它要涨的话就是跟CPI不管是对个人或者对小企业都一样对所有的企业都一样我们目前租赁条例主要是先针对住宅的部分至于非住宅的部分我们会再持续来研议看如何来协助非住宅一起我觉得那个问题还蛮严重的特别是不然就针对小型企业 |
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那個委員跟委員報告一下那個像商辦或是其他的店鋪那個可能還要再研議因為他的跟租賃市場不一樣 |
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他那個約可能現在都是訂到五年或是更久的約那跟一般的住宅我們就一樣啊就精神一樣啊五年內都一樣啊那個部分我們可能還要先來處理住宅的部分我們再來思考那個什麼時候可以處理現在的那個住宅的部分現在已經在研議了因為我剛剛很關心那個小企業 |
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就是小店面不是企業根本就不是企業就小吃店啦他現在就是賺的都用鐵鐵機房子鐵鐵機這樣我非常了解委員所關切的因為我們許多城市裡面的一些過去非常好的那些小吃店或者是很有名的小吃店大概最近都會被這些影響那我們也會來研議影響很大我們也會來研議看緊縮的我們來處理盡快啦前面主宰後面就那個小吃店一起拒絕好謝謝 |
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好謝謝賴世邦委員的發言接下來我們請楊瓊英委員楊瓊英委員楊瓊英委員不在陳昌明委員陳昌明委員陳昌明委員不在我們請林怡晴委員發言謝謝主席有請袁明慧副主委請副主委 |
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委員好 副主委好 首先還沒有質詢之前先跟您你是不是要跟你們園民會的業務單位跟國會聯絡人討論一下把我的名字寫錯了這樣對委員很不尊重 下次改進 委員抱歉林議警 這是正式的公文書我們回去再交易 委員抱歉 |
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首先我要為我的選區希拉雅族人詢問幾個核心的問題原民會10月底有發布新聞稿那目前已經有希拉雅族等族先後有跟原民會來提出認定的申請 |
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那當然每個案子的進度不同那我想要先提醒的是根據我們的法案的附帶決議就政府對於其文化特徵的確認應積極提供協助那並予以從寬認定那所以想要請問原住 原民會是說根據這九族有什麼積極的協助那目前除了從寬認定以外是否還可以從速從簡副主委 |
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跟委員報告這個法在上個月通過以後事實上他相關的執法比如說這個組別的認定辦法還有這個公告及徵詢民主意願的實施辦法跟審議委員會的組織的這種執法都已經完成立法了目前都在執行中那剛提到說這個其他九個族群像希拉雅大大烏龍這些族群有申請這個認定事實上會裡面現在已經 |
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在已經組成的希拉雅的這個審議委員會的成員都已經有一些勾選了那目前就是要召開會議那所以在其他的族群事實上我們拿到這些他們相關的這些要件以後我們都會積極的針對各個族群做一些 |
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了解那甚至有些要用標案來處理來協助他們重塑重解這個原則是我就說除了從寬認定重塑重解這個原則也請原民會來幫忙了好不好為什麼要這樣子說呢因為我舉個例子因為我們後年啊2027年初就有所謂的全國原民運 |
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那到底那個時候這個平埔族人可不可以出來參加代表原住民來參加這些運動競技這當然跟我們的審議進度有關所以希望原民會來重視這個事情我們在12月中旬有一個世界原住民運動會事實上也有邀請希臘雅族組隊參加 |
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我們16組以外在加西拉亞所以我們有17組會參與跟國外的11個隊伍來交流謝謝 謝謝可是後年的話我們很多包括我們還有這個道卡斯組 短毛龍我的意思說還有很多組他們現在正在發宅在哈烏所以再拜託會再針對實際的狀況看他們有沒有辦法來一起參與看能不能後年參加全民運那另外第二個問題還是要來 |
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就是要問我們平埔原住民能不能來直接適用原基法因為雖然有委員主張就未來規劃另設一個所謂平埔原基法可是本席是認為所有台灣的南島語系的民族適用的基本法應該就一步就好也就是現在的原住民基本法 |
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那因為基本法的性質它其實就是綱領性宣示性政策性它沒有作用法或者是說沒有它無法作為請求這個請求權基礎的這個 |
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去請求任何權利他其實沒有這個東西所以很多人去擔心說如果平埔原住民受到原基法的保障會產生一些資源的排擠其實並不會 這我想你應該很清楚所以具體的請求權的基礎還是要靠實體法就是作用法去形成 |
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所以讓原基法就是說把明文那平埔原住民來做保障我覺得是可行的請教副主委你認同我的看法嗎我想這個是我們在那個平埔族群的這個身份法的時候對我做了很充分的討論我也知道委員非常的希望能夠適用這個原基法但是因為111年這個憲判的這個裡面很具體的反應就是說要保障各族群的權益但是 |
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各族群的客觀的需求跟要也要斟酌國家資源的分配那我們要考慮到許多平埔族群因為他特定的歷史遭遇包含清代跟日治時期有不同的治理政策跟遷徙的狀況他的權力受損的情形傳統領域的範圍語言文化等情況事實上跟現在我們的歸類的原住民是有一些差異性 |
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當然委員希望說一個原住民的這個基本法因為基本上平埔原住民他就是原住民按照現行的憲判是希望我們另以法律定制那我們也在努力那相關的執法目前已經有處理了那接下來就是後續的一些法律我們要怎麼再去制定一個比較符合 |
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呃現在平埔族這個族群的需求的一個法律我們會繼續努力好那接下來要跟你討論就是說本席有提出就是原住民身份法第十一條的修正案那新增第二項呃就是仿照第一項的肉味登記喔的體體力來進行這個查明跟並更正這個登記那呃 |
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讓那個個案取得這個持來的這個原住民的身份那之前主委有答應說要研議相關的這個法律的修正還給這些人原住民的身份那其實這也符合大法官憲判的精神那凡是有寫言跟自我認同的他都可以保障我們都要保障他的原住民身份所以請教副主委這部分的法律研議不曉得進行了如何那未來要如何受理主人的申請 |
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跟委員報告因為那個平埔族群的這個身份法已經立法完成了那他裡面相關的條件事實上在那個法都已經有制定那委員希望說能夠刪掉這一個身份法第11條有關於這個登記的部分因為我們實際上要跟委員報告說這個這個刪掉以後事實上會有一個混同的問題啦就等於是說平埔族群的他可以在還沒有登記為原住民的可以直接適用到平地原住民這樣的一個 |
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一個制度裡面所以可能未來會造成非常多的在執行上也會有困擾而且我們目前研議是說這個如果要去要去納入這個修法的話事實上有它的困難度 |
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我們還是覺得這個還要再從長計議因為這部分我覺得確實需要有更完善的配套因為我們主要還是要回應就是宜蘭地區那個葛馬蘭他們葛馬蘭族長年的訴求嘛那所以請原民會再把身份認定這件事情的詳細流程給本席一個書面報告好不好好是好好謝謝謝謝副主委謝謝主席謝謝委員謝謝丁怡琴委員接下來我們請鄭天才委員發言 |
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主席 各位委員有請這個顏明慧還有內政部次長請董事長還有都市長副主委兩位好這個首先先談內政部這個土地法土地法是在民國19年就制定公佈民國25年3月1號施行 |
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所以那時候還沒有中華民國憲法所以我們從這樣子來看所以這個土地法確實是需要去修正尤其是這個第14條還有這個後面的這個第25條這個是一個很重要的一個前提尤其是這個中央法規標準法也制定了然後後來相關的行政程序法也制定了 |
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所以现在这个土地法14条这个海岸一定限度内就不明确不明确而且变成现在全部都用什么原则程序来去决定是这样的一个问题所以必须要回到现行的其他的还明确的法律 |
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现在很明确的法律是什么呢像水利法83条就很明确寻常洪水位而不是什么一定限度内水利法83条就很清楚寻常洪水位才可以不得私有所以这个一定要去修了民国二十几年的法律是不是 |
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所以我才會提出這個修正的一個條文這是一個部分另外很重要的就是憲法我剛有講土地法是民國二十幾年定的憲法是民國三十幾年公布施行的對不對憲法規定很清楚由憲立法並執行之包含的憲財產之經營及處分對不對 |
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寫得很清楚憲法所以呢這個相關的土地法第25條還在寫還要經過行政院核准就違反憲法明確的現有的財產他只要經過縣議會市議會民意機關的同意就可以了 |
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這個相關的地方制度法也都有規定所以這個部分如果我們從這個來去看的話就應該要去支持這個現在原住民我們的陳超明立委跟本席共同提案的這個第25條可以嗎 |
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這個部分跟委員做說明首先委員所提案的有地法第十四條的修正案的部分有關於第一款第一項第一款至第四款的部分其實我們主要的重點是在國有地那國有地也如同委員所說的事實上它有相關的目的事業主管機關的法令包括水利法包括海岸管理法等等 |
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所以我们不是无限制的授权地方行政或者授权行政机关所谓一定限度其实还是要依法行政那么我们所依循的法就是海岸管理法跟水利法所以与刚才委员所说的其实是市长 |
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我们在我们的执行细则我们在我们的执行细则里面其实就有明确的规范这件事情了所以其实委员所担心的事情我们事实上在执行细则里面有明确的规范而且我们在实务上操作上面也如同委员所指示的就是说我们是依据海岸管理法水利法等目的事业主管机关他们的法令的规范去执行那个次长你回去再好好看水利法83条规定不得施用 |
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但是他現在82條沒有規定沒有規定不得私有但是他把82條的就依你的土地法14條來去做解釋所以這個部分你回去好好再討論好好去看好接下來我們請那個因為時間的關係就請顏明慧那個次長就請回座這個條文字都有細數的很清楚 |
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好这个我们先回到这个原住民身份法这个原住民身份法很重要的我们看宪判制第17号114年的这个宪法判决已经很清楚的原住民身份法第二条规定是违反以宪法 |
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保障原住民族文化等一直有为所以是已经是身份法第二条是违宪的所以平埔原住民的部分我们立法院也通过了平埔原住民族群身份法所以呢现在平埔原住民族群身份法第八条也规定而且规定的就是说这个我看我们的第五条的 |
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这个第8条的第1项的第1款有特别提到以日治时期复集资料内有熟评或其他足以证明的写得很清楚而且他还增加了第2第3很宽非常宽所以我们是希望说第1个原住民身份法第2条既然已经是违宪的 |
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然后平埔族群的也立了一个新的法例所以回到平地原住民的部分平地原住民的部分就应该还是要修正不然的话他还是违宪的所以这个平地原住民的条文必须要跟山地原住民的部分要一样所以呢为了要更明确的话我们就参考这个刚才这个我谈的那个 |
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平埔原住民族群身份法的文字的方式系数的方式就山地原住民就增加日治时期复活调查部登记其本人或知识写信中心属于生生番或高砂族者而平地原住民呢也是针对名定为日治时期复活调查部登记其本人或知识写信中心属于生生番还有眉毛的眉还有高砂族 |
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所以這個部分啦這個部分這個這個移民會這個附足也要談還是要也不需要跟委員報告啦那個剛提到那個違憲的那個身份法第二條他事實上是規範不足並沒有失效 |
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那委員提的這個相關的建議因為我們之前看到的只是說要拿掉那個戶籍所在地的登記 那那個部分會影響非常大的層面 會變成跟平埔族群身份法跟這個會混同在一起 那未來在執行上又很大困難那委員現在提的這一個部分日治時期什麼深翻美或高砂族者這個可以來認定為平地原住民這部分我們需要再一點 再給我們一點時間研議看看有 |
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他的整個影響面跟他評估他最後會是什麼樣的一個情況再來做一個再做一個決定基本上是沒有問題原住民現在的原住民身份法民國90年開始施行的就是本席在當處長的時候跟亞伯遂翁他當科研的時候我們離出來的送到立法院三讀通過的然後另外就是這個第七條也是一樣第七條 |
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這個可以增加再修正動議增加這個第二項會更明確會更符合這個我們原住民有很多當時沒有登記的能夠彌補他 其實這個人數不會很多頂多是增加幾十個而已所以這個部分要請原民會能夠支持因為這個修這個以後事實上陳律委員講說可能只有幾十個但是我們自己這樣的 |
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判斷可能不會是這麼少數那這個到底他的母數會是什麼樣的情況我們也需要評估那當然委員是希望說都能夠取得因為他還有一個不管不是血顏血顏上還有一個是認同的部分我想這部分也要一併考慮我們會針對委員提案的部分認同的部分就是寒蝦第二條到第四條因為很多時候認同還是會有很多時候你隔了好幾代以後事實上跟部落的連結都會有一些差異這包含都包含認同了好不好 |
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那委員 這個我們會再來言以後再給委員報告可以嗎OK 沒問題啦謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝鄭田財委員的發言接下來我們請何欣淳委員發言何欣淳委員何欣淳委員不在請徐欣穎委員發言 |
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謝謝主席 本席有請內政部董事長請董事長委員好好 次長我們針對這個土地法還有今天相關的租賃市場租賃住宅市場發展及管理條例那我們這個 |
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租賃法第6條已經明文排除了土地法第97條的適用那現在如果說立法院有通過土地法的修正案假設通過了修正案增加了今天可能要討論的就是說我們今天討論的法條的續約權還有漲幅限制那如果這種情況的話是不是會有衝突 |
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跟委員報告基本上土地法因為涉及的它是土地的基本法我們在這裡所涉及的修法就會牽涉到許多相關的土地跟所有的房屋等等的影響所以我們還是會比較建議就是說回到租賃專法裡面去修 |
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土地法當初我們修租賃專法就是希望將租賃這件事情做一個明確的說明土地法是一個我們所謂的基本法在基本法裡面做了太多細節的規範的時候事實上會讓在第一線的執行者他會無所適從 |
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所以我们会比较建议就是说我们通过租赁专法你们就是执行行政单位你们为什么不把一些土地法里面或者是现在民众非常需要的一些保障权益的直接写在所谓的租赁专法里面呢 |
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有 我们现在正在修法当中正在修 那有时间启程吗因为这个问题已经一直存在整个的租屋市场了吗对 跟委员报告我们也非常感谢大会在上个礼拜召开公听会所以我们现在就是将各方的意见收起那刚才委员也都有垂询所以我们希望尽快跟行政院 |
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通报之后是不是看能够在这个会期送到立院来这边这个会期加油行政院这边如果同意的话那我们接着再讨论一个点就是说放在这个租赁专法里面是不是还有一个好处就是说我们可以在租赁专法里面定一些罚则如果违规的时候我们行政单位他就可以直接 |
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处罚这样是不是比较有嚇阻效果也比较有效益对跟委员报告我们目前的修法方向里面特别针对所谓的不良房东跟不良房客的相关的行为我们是有提高罚则那也给予也希望说透过跟司法院的协商赋予一定的强制性那这样子才能够让租赁双方有一个完整的保障好 |
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这个是非常重要的那我们也希望说到时候如果我们有机会把法案提到大会大院来那希望大院能够给我们很多的支持好那你们既然现在正在研理那我们也要针对几个概念来跟次长这边来讨论就是说有关强制续约权这个对保障房客也非常重要可是魔鬼藏在细节里 |
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如果房东收回自住他可以不续约可是实务上你如何确认房东是真的自住还是假收回增长价 |
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這個我們在研擬租賃條例的部分其實也有考慮到這個問題所以我們的部分不是一定要求自住我們是收回來自用那他包括的部分是可以給親友用或是一個給那個或是另外再行出租那我們的管制機制給親友用還有他可以自住也可以 |
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他可以再出租啊不可以就绝对不能出租所以我们的部分的话会跟现在赖委员所提的版本一样是一年内不能再出租否则就会有罚折的问题 |
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對 因為我們也常發現譬如說在大安區這個的房東他就說他要兒子要住他收回了結果過不久結果上網看到他又在591然後呢還租金漲了20%這一塊我們這個我們了解我們知道每一個大安區的房東都有一個兒子在國外讀書 |
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那如果我們推動這個續約權那這個配套我們是不是有針對吹哨者條款還有檢舉獎金這一塊有沒有這個部分因為我們在平均地權條例本來就有一些檢舉獎金的機制那如果這個相關的一個續約權的部分如果有一些像收回自住那些限制的部分當然我們也可以思考把它納到 |
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那個吹哨者條款裡面檢舉獎金的制度裡面來做一個處理好那剛剛說一年內不得出租嘛那我問你誰來監督你怎麼知道他沒有人看他也許悄悄的他還是做了但沒有人知道你等著吹哨者有些沒有吹哨者怎麼辦你們有沒有想到這一個點你怎麼去反制 |
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当然第一个部分的话当然是透过民众自己的一个检举那第二个部分我们也会透过一些契约的查核或是内部的一些资料的勾结来看可不可以发现这些状况对你说的内部资料的勾结太重要了我们希望在执行面我们内政部一定要强力的推动租赁实价登录 |
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这个系统要给它发挥功能因为只要租赁实价登录它能够等于大家从数字从系统上我们就可以看出来只要没有它绝对它就是一个黑数然后我们就掌握不到这一块有没有想到怎么样来落实 |
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我们目前就是说有关包租贷款的部分是一定强制要登录那再来就是说我们也公布只有包租贷款那我们有公布相关还有仲介业者的也都要公布那私人的就没有另外我们就是透过租金补贴的部分我们定期会公布相关的租金的统计区间这样子 |
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那我们透过这样的方式让大家知道说我们的房租合理价格是多少比方说以大台北地区我们讲台大周边来讲台大周边的房租我们现在是在讲一年内不得出租那你要怎么抓到其实他没有吹哨者的话他搞不好 |
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6个月8个月他就出租了如果有落实这种登录系统我们从系统现在不管电脑本身的这种自动查核甚至未来AI他都可以但是重点就难在包租贷款有实价登录但是很多私人的没有其实私人的租屋也很大量 |
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這一塊有沒有想過怎麼來落實我們再來研議看如何打這個機制強化你們法案送來說這個也會是一個很重要的點好不好最後我們還有租金的漲幅限制因為我們在提案中有看到鎖死CPI所謂的消費者物價指數 |
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可是如果这种城乡差距比较大的情况下我们如果硬性规定涨幅不能超过CPI你们现在行政单位的看法是要锁死在不能超过CPI吗你们目前的思维是怎么样我们目前所推出的法案的修正注定条例的修正我们基本上也是follow CPI为主这样子 |
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那我本席要建议一下因为城乡差距大我们硬性规定这个涨幅不能超过CPI那有些偏乡的老房子可能它维修就是维修的成本成本就高于整个的涨幅所以房东会不会就干脆摆烂不修 |
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那所以是不是可以学习德国德国的经验就是我们给一个倍数可能CPI的1.5倍作为缓冲这个弹性是不是可以在修法的时候考量进去 |
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报告委员其实有遇到我们有思考到这个问题就是有关于房屋的重新装修或是设备的更新的部分所以我们现在租金涨幅的限制是搭配租期那我们租期现在是设定三年所以租期三年最短租期三年到了之后房东其实就可以去做一个整修在租金的部分它也可以是它的一个装修的状况成本的状况 |
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再去做一个合理的调整对 他合理的调整你的法案你的那个修法内容如果是锁死在CPI那CPI你没给一个弹性你是不是可以CPI是指续约的时候他的三年内我们租期三年因为我们希望他是常租所以在租期三年内如果你是一年一千 |
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你每一年可以漲的幅度最高不能超過CPI大概是2-3%那你三年租期結束你要簽訂新約的時候或者是你換了新的房客那當然你就是重新反應這樣子因為你要重新裝修房子當然也是等房客走了才重新裝修你也不太可能房客在裡面的時候裝修所以我們是考量到合理的狀況我們再來做處理 |
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可以参考一下德国的好不好很多法令是死的但我们如果有一些弹性可能在执行上会好我们地震师的同仁都收集各国相关的资料我们会参考也谢谢委员的提醒谢谢辛苦了谢谢 |
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謝謝習玉欣委員的發言接下來請謝依鳳委員謝依鳳委員謝依鳳委員不在蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員不在羅明才委員羅明才委員羅明才委員不在現在請盧憲毅委員發言 |
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主席有請園民會有請園民會副主委副主委早那其實今天我們要談的就是一些我們在原住民身份遇到的一些比較實際的問題那我們大家都知道我們這個大概是1905年的一些生番熟番的這個這個分類然後再往下一張 |
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其實我們大概我們要常常遇到的問題副主委我們從右手邊那個首藩右手邊的首藩有些人他明明是排完組被認定在首藩然後他應該是劃在平地行政區這裡就未登記然後變成非原住民其實大部分來找辦公室要來解決的就是這些人我們講的是哪些就是我們現在住在恆春半島的色鼎的舊部落他們有提出溯源 |
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那也都被駁回那我們看日據時代的他們的戶籍藤本其實他們都有熟字那也就是說如果按照現在的平埔的那個認定的話他應該是準就是當然是平埔原住民可是他要的不是平埔原住民他要的是他原本這個族群的認同也就是說他明明是排灣族可是他當時住在 |
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平地的行政區然後他又沒有去登記結果過了這一些時候過了四次登記的一個時效以後可是現在這個氛圍是大家都比較注重原住民的文化的時候要找尋這些認同的時候他覺得他有強烈的意願要變成排灣原住民的時候他就被沒有辦法因法取得身份目前我覺得我想聽聽原民會的想法 |
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跟委員報告這個個案事實上現在在最高行政法院當然他們的訴求我們也知道他們要認定是原住民族是3D原住民族那要跟委員報告說因為這些法在整個的制定過程他有一些期限的問題他們有很多都是期限過了沒有登記那現在回歸到現行的法制事實上 |
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他們可能就會適用到現在的這個平埔族群的身份法來處理那可能委員會覺得說怎麼會跑出來一個排灣族又跑到平埔族群來這個也是我們目前也要去思考的問題 |
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畢竟在整個從剛你所呈現的從1905年以後開始很多的相關對原住民身份的一些界定有很多的一些行政規則或者是一些要點或者是法規命令相繼的制定他有一些期限是不是可以在那個時候登記那有一些有一些遺漏的地方事實上後續我們有一些法律來補充但是我覺得可能還不夠完整 |
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那委員提的這部分再讓我們再好好思考因為畢竟如果我們去改了某一些的條文內容可能整個會混在一起那可能又會讓現在既有的這個形態又會有一些改變那整個的大架構都會重置我看了一些委員的版本有些是直接刪除第二條第二款中的 |
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申請什麼登記有案的限制第二個就是擴大第四條範圍規範就是偵涉針對限定登記期間或是其他歷史因素為漏位登記者的一個行政程序的補救所以有兩個版本就是有兩個方向 參委員報告就是他那個第二條說要刪除那個登記就是在日系登記手的那個註記的那個部分事實上如果那個拿掉的話就等於現在的身份法跟平埔族群身份法是混在一起了 是啊 |
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那這樣的話就跟憲判的這個意旨就不同他要另外認定法定所以這個也要請委員諒解就是說他現在有兩套制度那當然這一個個案是不是應該要怎麼去進行讓我們再想一想那另外剛剛提到第11條的部分是第7條我們要擴大的部分因為那個部分 |
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他是隔代的问题他到底隔两代三代下面的以后他来登记跟现在的制度可能会在结合上有问题而且跟民主的连结这种传统文化的这个连结可能会比较弱那这个部分是需要再考量我还是希望原民会能够就新增人口对原住民主政治权权利的潜在政治影响是什么然后一个是原民会竟然指出删除此要件将造成身份法 |
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是重大的改變請在報告中後具體說明的改變將如何影響然後最後一點點的時間我用那個就是還有一些收養的問題就是常常遇到他在可能結婚了很多年以後他覺得他沒有辦法生小孩可能就被判定不孕他就領養小孩可是沒有想到原住民身分法這邊規定很明顯規定就是40歲可是他已經完成這個領養手續的時候才發現這個規定 |
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所以我是覺得這個40歲的規定我覺得已經不符合現代的期待因為如果按照不孕症的定義是三年的話然後你有去做一些不孕症的一些措施你還是沒有辦法受孕我覺得這個應該要放寬這個限制而不是以年齡來限制這個因為很多我們的族人是這樣他已經 |
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37、8歲了 結果去年還小已經收養在家裡就要登記就沒有辦法很多所以我的意思是說這個部分我會提出修法可能我有一點誤解實際上就是說他申請的時候是40歲所以他可能在三十幾歲收養可是他40歲可以去登記對 可是就是有遇到很多這樣子的好 這個我們會一併來考慮OK 好 謝謝主委謝謝委員 謝謝補助 |
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好謝謝謝謝盧縣議委員發言接下來請武力華委員武力華委員武力華委員不在林倩琦委員林倩琦委員林倩琦委員不在登記發言委員除不在場者外其餘均已發言完畢 |
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詢答結束二委員高津素梅丁學忠所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報三書面質詢和未及答覆部分請相關單位於一周內以書面答覆並複資本會是討論事項所列議案令令定期繼續審查本次會議到此結束現在散會 |