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鍾佳濱 @ 第11屆第5會期經濟、外交及國防、財政三委員會第2次聯席會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:02,880 | 主席 在場的委員先進 |
| 00:00:02,880 | 00:00:06,600 | 烈氣的政府教授長官員 會長 公眾夥伴媒體 記者女士先生 |
| 00:00:06,600 | 00:00:08,720 | 今天我們在審理一個 |
| 00:00:08,720 | 00:00:14,080 | 攸關台灣未來國防自主 自我防衛的重要法案 |
| 00:00:14,080 | 00:00:17,200 | 但是大家已經談了很久了 |
| 00:00:17,200 | 00:00:20,400 | 這個法案為什麼是經濟委員會的主審 |
| 00:00:20,400 | 00:00:22,400 | 既然是經濟委員會的主審 |
| 00:00:22,400 | 00:00:25,920 | 為什麼國防部長要那麼的坐在那裡 |
| 00:00:25,920 | 00:00:28,600 | 而剛剛媒體朋友 剛擰在外面 |
| 00:00:28,680 | 00:00:31,920 | 你們有去問經濟部長的意見嗎 經濟部次長的意見嗎 |
| 00:00:31,920 | 00:00:35,920 | 沒有啊 你們要問國防部部長的意見啊 |
| 00:00:35,920 | 00:00:37,920 | 今天在場的委員 |
| 00:00:37,920 | 00:00:40,560 | 除了政委員跟我是經濟委員會的以外 |
| 00:00:40,560 | 00:00:44,520 | 你說在場的委員多數是國防委員啊 |
| 00:00:44,520 | 00:00:46,200 | 我們的黃恩委員啊 |
| 00:00:46,200 | 00:00:48,200 | 我們的陳委員 陳將軍啊 |
| 00:00:48,200 | 00:00:50,880 | 蠟委員是財政的 我過去跟他在財政共事 |
| 00:00:50,880 | 00:00:52,160 | 他的確很專業 |
| 00:00:52,160 | 00:00:56,240 | 但是今天我們要討論的是國防的問題 |
| 00:00:57,240 | 00:00:59,720 | 那大家很好奇啦 |
| 00:00:59,720 | 00:01:01,720 | 今天主席坐在這裡 周圍坐在這裡 |
| 00:01:01,720 | 00:01:03,720 | 沒有對主席不敬的意思 |
| 00:01:03,720 | 00:01:05,720 | 今天的議程是您排的嗎 |
| 00:01:05,720 | 00:01:07,720 | 我跟大家說啊 不是啊 |
| 00:01:09,120 | 00:01:10,920 | 這裡媒體可以記錄下來 |
| 00:01:10,920 | 00:01:13,920 | 上週五時間地點我保留 |
| 00:01:13,920 | 00:01:20,720 | 親眼聽到國民黨跟美國AIT的官員的對話 |
| 00:01:20,720 | 00:01:24,720 | 大家認為國民黨現在誰當家啊 |
| 00:01:25,200 | 00:01:27,200 | 昨天那個舞台上的鄭麗雯主席嗎 |
| 00:01:27,200 | 00:01:29,200 | 不是啊 |
| 00:01:29,200 | 00:01:31,200 | 國民黨現在是立法院當家 |
| 00:01:31,200 | 00:01:33,200 | 立法院誰當家啊 |
| 00:01:33,200 | 00:01:37,200 | 是韓國瑜院長當家嗎 |
| 00:01:37,200 | 00:01:38,200 | 不是啊 |
| 00:01:38,200 | 00:01:40,200 | 是傅崑琦總召當家 |
| 00:01:40,200 | 00:01:43,200 | 為什麼是傅崑琦總召當家 |
| 00:01:43,200 | 00:01:46,200 | 因為立法院接下來 |
| 00:01:46,200 | 00:01:49,200 | 今年度的總預算什麼時候要過 |
| 00:01:49,200 | 00:01:51,200 | 不是韓院長說了算 |
| 00:01:51,680 | 00:01:55,680 | 立法院我們現在的這個重要的無人載具 |
| 00:01:55,680 | 00:01:57,680 | 專法怎麼樣審 |
| 00:01:57,680 | 00:01:59,680 | 也是傅總召說的算數啊 |
| 00:01:59,680 | 00:02:01,680 | 傅總召在上週五 |
| 00:02:01,680 | 00:02:03,680 | 當著美國在台協會的官員 |
| 00:02:03,680 | 00:02:06,680 | 層級依照國民黨副主席的說法 |
| 00:02:06,680 | 00:02:08,680 | 是科長的層級 |
| 00:02:08,680 | 00:02:10,680 | 說什麼 |
| 00:02:10,680 | 00:02:13,680 | 我們總預算 |
| 00:02:13,680 | 00:02:15,680 | 他會在他講那個日期 |
| 00:02:15,680 | 00:02:17,680 | 就一定會通過 |
| 00:02:17,680 | 00:02:18,680 | 第二個 |
| 00:02:19,160 | 00:02:20,160 | 他說 |
| 00:02:20,160 | 00:02:22,160 | 無人載具專法 |
| 00:02:22,160 | 00:02:24,160 | 一定會在今天出委員會 |
| 00:02:24,160 | 00:02:28,160 | 會在8月28號三讀通過 |
| 00:02:28,160 | 00:02:29,160 | 天啊 |
| 00:02:29,160 | 00:02:32,160 | 立法院現在變成副總召的橡皮圖章啊 |
| 00:02:32,160 | 00:02:35,160 | 我們的召委在這裡只是個棋子啊 |
| 00:02:35,160 | 00:02:38,160 | 他今天在排了這個委員會 |
| 00:02:39,160 | 00:02:41,160 | 三個委員會聯席 |
| 00:02:41,160 | 00:02:43,160 | 今天只有兩個委員開會審查 |
| 00:02:45,160 | 00:02:47,160 | 這個總召你回去再去解釋啊 |
| 00:02:47,640 | 00:02:49,640 | 你親口跟我說的嘛 |
| 00:02:49,640 | 00:02:51,640 | 一定要在今天出委員會嘛 |
| 00:02:51,640 | 00:02:53,640 | 一個重要的法案 |
| 00:02:53,640 | 00:02:55,640 | 居然可以現實立法 |
| 00:02:55,640 | 00:02:56,640 | 我說的第一句話 |
| 00:02:56,640 | 00:02:58,640 | 就是藍白在野黨 |
| 00:02:58,640 | 00:03:00,640 | 假趕公爭拖延 |
| 00:03:00,640 | 00:03:02,640 | 為什麼要在今天出委員會 |
| 00:03:02,640 | 00:03:04,640 | 因為今天是7月27號 |
| 00:03:04,640 | 00:03:07,640 | 根據我們的議事規則 |
| 00:03:07,640 | 00:03:09,640 | 立法院職權行使法 |
| 00:03:09,640 | 00:03:11,640 | 要冷凍期一個月 |
| 00:03:11,640 | 00:03:12,640 | 什麼時候可以表決 |
| 00:03:12,640 | 00:03:14,640 | 今天出委員會交互裁決協章 |
| 00:03:15,119 | 00:03:17,119 | 8月28號星期五 |
| 00:03:17,119 | 00:03:22,119 | 本會期的最後一個星期五就可以表決 |
| 00:03:22,119 | 00:03:24,119 | 為什麼其實在本會期期間 |
| 00:03:24,119 | 00:03:28,119 | 要表決這個無人載具專法呢 |
| 00:03:28,119 | 00:03:30,119 | 就是要表態給人家看 |
| 00:03:30,119 | 00:03:32,119 | 那既然這麼趕 |
| 00:03:32,119 | 00:03:34,119 | 14個版本耶 |
| 00:03:34,119 | 00:03:36,119 | 今天要馬上出委員會 |
| 00:03:37,119 | 00:03:39,119 | 本席的條文幾條啊 |
| 00:03:39,119 | 00:03:41,119 | 本席的版本條文幾條啊 |
| 00:03:41,119 | 00:03:42,119 | 主席啊 |
| 00:03:42,119 | 00:03:43,119 | 14個版本 |
| 00:03:43,600 | 00:03:44,600 | 你要在一天內出委員會 |
| 00:03:44,600 | 00:03:46,600 | 這就是趕工嘛 |
| 00:03:46,600 | 00:03:47,600 | 為什麼要趕工 |
| 00:03:47,600 | 00:03:49,600 | 因為前面都在拖延啊 |
| 00:03:49,600 | 00:03:51,600 | 本席第一個版本 |
| 00:03:51,600 | 00:03:53,600 | 5月底已經提出來了 |
| 00:03:54,600 | 00:03:56,600 | 被藍白丟包 |
| 00:03:57,600 | 00:03:59,600 | 擱置在程序委員會 |
| 00:03:59,600 | 00:04:02,600 | 行政院的版本6月就送來了 |
| 00:04:02,600 | 00:04:03,600 | 有交互審查嗎 |
| 00:04:03,600 | 00:04:04,600 | 沒有 |
| 00:04:04,600 | 00:04:06,600 | 一樣擱置在程序委員會 |
| 00:04:07,600 | 00:04:09,600 | 一直到我們苦口薄心 |
| 00:04:09,600 | 00:04:10,600 | 拜託在野黨 |
| 00:04:10,600 | 00:04:12,600 | 如果你認為行政院的版本不好 |
| 00:04:13,079 | 00:04:15,079 | 你認為民進黨委員的版本不好 |
| 00:04:16,079 | 00:04:18,079 | 提出你們的法案嘛 |
| 00:04:18,079 | 00:04:19,079 | 先先來遲 |
| 00:04:19,079 | 00:04:21,079 | 好不容易提出來了 |
| 00:04:22,079 | 00:04:25,080 | 這就是假趕工真拖延 |
| 00:04:26,080 | 00:04:27,080 | 後面趕的要死 |
| 00:04:27,080 | 00:04:29,080 | 前面拖的要命 |
| 00:04:31,080 | 00:04:32,080 | 有認真在審嗎 |
| 00:04:33,080 | 00:04:35,080 | 5月底就提出了票擱置 |
| 00:04:35,080 | 00:04:37,080 | 行政院版本6月送來的 |
| 00:04:37,080 | 00:04:38,080 | 放在那裡 |
| 00:04:38,080 | 00:04:40,080 | 到現在7月了 |
| 00:04:40,080 | 00:04:42,080 | 27號了 |
| 00:04:42,560 | 00:04:45,560 | 要把14個版本一天審完出委員會 |
| 00:04:45,560 | 00:04:48,560 | 以便在8月的最後一個星期五 |
| 00:04:48,560 | 00:04:50,560 | 來交互三讀表決 |
| 00:04:51,560 | 00:04:53,560 | 假趕工真拖延 |
| 00:04:54,560 | 00:04:56,560 | 送給我們的在野黨 |
| 00:04:56,560 | 00:04:57,560 | 你們主導國會的意識 |
| 00:04:57,560 | 00:04:59,560 | 主導到那種程度 |
| 00:04:59,560 | 00:05:01,560 | 好那怎麼樣呢 |
| 00:05:01,560 | 00:05:03,560 | 我們等一下看 |
| 00:05:03,560 | 00:05:05,560 | 第二個我要送給他們的 |
| 00:05:05,560 | 00:05:08,560 | 就是在野黨用行動證明 |
| 00:05:08,560 | 00:05:10,560 | 自己造假自我推翻 |
| 00:05:11,040 | 00:05:12,040 | 怎麼說 |
| 00:05:13,040 | 00:05:14,040 | 行政院的版本 |
| 00:05:14,040 | 00:05:17,040 | 2100億的特別預算 |
| 00:05:17,040 | 00:05:19,040 | 2100億喔 |
| 00:05:20,040 | 00:05:22,040 | 國民黨的版本怎麼說 |
| 00:05:22,040 | 00:05:23,040 | 不是賴委員的啦 |
| 00:05:23,040 | 00:05:25,040 | 賴委員的是500億特別預算 |
| 00:05:26,040 | 00:05:29,040 | 他說不要用特別預算 |
| 00:05:29,040 | 00:05:31,040 | 因為特別預算是 |
| 00:05:31,040 | 00:05:33,040 | 逾越了我們立法院 |
| 00:05:33,040 | 00:05:35,040 | 逾越了行政部門 |
| 00:05:35,040 | 00:05:37,040 | 逾越了行政部門他們的權限 |
| 00:05:37,040 | 00:05:39,040 | 那我給你 |
| 00:05:39,520 | 00:05:41,520 | 6年的400億 |
| 00:05:41,520 | 00:05:43,520 | 每年400億連續6年的 |
| 00:05:45,520 | 00:05:47,520 | 年度預算 |
| 00:05:47,520 | 00:05:49,520 | 如果說行政院送特別預算來 |
| 00:05:49,520 | 00:05:51,520 | 是逾越了行政權 |
| 00:05:51,520 | 00:05:53,520 | 你們行政院 |
| 00:05:53,520 | 00:05:55,520 | 總統的任期只到2028 |
| 00:05:55,520 | 00:05:57,520 | 你送來的預算到什麼時候 |
| 00:05:57,520 | 00:05:59,520 | 到2030 |
| 00:05:59,520 | 00:06:01,520 | 不行啊你這個特別預算 |
| 00:06:01,520 | 00:06:03,520 | 特別預算本來就是跨年度的啊 |
| 00:06:03,520 | 00:06:05,520 | 跨年度才需要特別預算啊 |
| 00:06:05,520 | 00:06:08,520 | 那哪來的6年2400億 |
| 00:06:09,000 | 00:06:10,000 | 每年編400億 |
| 00:06:10,000 | 00:06:12,000 | 請問這屆的立委 |
| 00:06:12,000 | 00:06:13,000 | 幹到哪一年 |
| 00:06:13,000 | 00:06:15,000 | 幹到2028年啊 |
| 00:06:15,000 | 00:06:16,000 | 如果照這個邏輯 |
| 00:06:16,000 | 00:06:18,000 | 行政院不能提出 |
| 00:06:18,000 | 00:06:20,000 | 超過賴總統 |
| 00:06:20,000 | 00:06:22,000 | 2028這一屆的任期 |
| 00:06:22,000 | 00:06:24,000 | 那立法院更扯啊 |
| 00:06:24,000 | 00:06:26,000 | 可以直接指明 |
| 00:06:26,000 | 00:06:27,000 | 未來的6年 |
| 00:06:27,000 | 00:06:29,000 | 每年要編行政院編400億 |
| 00:06:29,000 | 00:06:31,000 | 給無人載具啊 |
| 00:06:31,000 | 00:06:33,000 | 可笑啊 |
| 00:06:33,000 | 00:06:34,000 | 可笑啊 |
| 00:06:34,000 | 00:06:35,000 | 我說啊 |
| 00:06:35,000 | 00:06:37,000 | 砍五毛給一塊就是這個意思 |
| 00:06:37,480 | 00:06:39,480 | 兩面上給你2400億 |
| 00:06:39,480 | 00:06:41,480 | 比行政院的2100還多 |
| 00:06:41,480 | 00:06:43,480 | 但是事實上呢 |
| 00:06:43,480 | 00:06:45,480 | 放在這個條例 |
| 00:06:45,480 | 00:06:47,480 | 不倫不類 |
| 00:06:47,480 | 00:06:49,480 | 用一個條例 |
| 00:06:49,480 | 00:06:51,480 | 限定了超越 |
| 00:06:51,480 | 00:06:53,480 | 我們立法院本屆任期 |
| 00:06:53,480 | 00:06:55,480 | 未來6年 |
| 00:06:55,480 | 00:06:57,480 | 要求每年行政院編400億 |
| 00:06:57,480 | 00:06:59,480 | 400億的年度預算 |
| 00:06:59,480 | 00:07:01,480 | 這樣有保證嗎 |
| 00:07:01,480 | 00:07:03,480 | 我跟大家講這個支票是假的啊 |
| 00:07:03,480 | 00:07:05,480 | 為什麼 |
| 00:07:05,960 | 00:07:07,960 | 行動來證明自己造假 |
| 00:07:07,960 | 00:07:09,960 | 他連行政院6年 |
| 00:07:09,960 | 00:07:11,960 | 無人載具的統籌計畫 |
| 00:07:11,960 | 00:07:13,960 | 行政院的中長城計畫 |
| 00:07:13,960 | 00:07:15,960 | 會預框 |
| 00:07:15,960 | 00:07:17,960 | 還有442億 |
| 00:07:17,960 | 00:07:19,960 | 他已經放話 |
| 00:07:19,960 | 00:07:21,960 | 要全刪啦 |
| 00:07:21,960 | 00:07:23,960 | 要特別預算你不給 |
| 00:07:23,960 | 00:07:25,960 | 你說給年度預算 |
| 00:07:25,960 | 00:07:27,960 | 放在年度預算的統籌心計畫 |
| 00:07:27,960 | 00:07:29,960 | 442億還沒審 |
| 00:07:29,960 | 00:07:31,960 | 就要刪啦 |
| 00:07:31,960 | 00:07:33,960 | 那大家能相信嗎 |
| 00:07:33,960 | 00:07:35,960 | 能相信藍白是要讓台灣 |
| 00:07:35,960 | 00:07:37,960 | 擁有無人載具無人機來保衛自己的國家嗎 |
| 00:07:39,960 | 00:07:41,960 | 見鬼啦 |
| 00:07:41,960 | 00:07:43,960 | 見鬼啊 |
| 00:07:43,960 | 00:07:45,960 | 自我推翻 |
| 00:07:45,960 | 00:07:47,960 | 用自己的行動自己的宣告 |
| 00:07:47,960 | 00:07:49,960 | 來證明自己造假 |
| 00:07:49,960 | 00:07:51,960 | 根本不是要給真心給國家 |
| 00:07:51,960 | 00:07:53,960 | 每年400億的 |
| 00:07:53,960 | 00:07:55,960 | 年度預算 |
| 00:07:55,960 | 00:07:57,960 | 連現在編的 |
| 00:07:57,960 | 00:07:59,960 | 442億你都要刪了 |
| 00:07:59,960 | 00:08:01,960 | 誰會相信你未來6年 |
| 00:08:01,960 | 00:08:03,960 | 未來6年每年會給行政院400億的 |
| 00:08:03,960 | 00:08:05,960 | 無人載具的預算啊 |
| 00:08:05,960 | 00:08:07,960 | 鬼扯 |
| 00:08:07,960 | 00:08:09,960 | 所以啊 |
| 00:08:09,960 | 00:08:11,960 | 我用我們鄉親聽懂的話 |
| 00:08:11,960 | 00:08:13,960 | 什麼叫做特別預算 |
| 00:08:13,960 | 00:08:15,960 | 什麼叫做年度預算 |
| 00:08:15,960 | 00:08:17,960 | 如果你要買一棟透天柱啊 |
| 00:08:17,960 | 00:08:19,960 | 假設我在屏東 |
| 00:08:19,960 | 00:08:21,960 | 我要買一間透天一屋 |
| 00:08:21,960 | 00:08:23,960 | 要兩千一百億 |
| 00:08:23,960 | 00:08:25,960 | 我是不是要 |
| 00:08:25,960 | 00:08:27,960 | 有支配款 |
| 00:08:27,960 | 00:08:29,960 | 我是不是要跟銀行辦貸款 |
| 00:08:29,960 | 00:08:31,960 | 假設說我兩千一百億 |
| 00:08:31,960 | 00:08:33,960 | 我存好了 |
| 00:08:33,960 | 00:08:35,960 | 我這個透天一屋 |
| 00:08:35,960 | 00:08:37,960 | 需要一段時間去 |
| 00:08:37,960 | 00:08:39,960 | 但是我一定時間到 |
| 00:08:39,960 | 00:08:41,960 | 照工程的進度來入錢 |
| 00:08:41,960 | 00:08:43,960 | 特別預算 |
| 00:08:43,960 | 00:08:45,960 | 2100億 |
| 00:08:45,960 | 00:08:47,960 | 條例送給我們立法院審查 |
| 00:08:47,960 | 00:08:49,960 | 就算通過了這個額度 |
| 00:08:49,960 | 00:08:51,960 | 到底最後是多少還可以討論 |
| 00:08:51,960 | 00:08:53,960 | 但是一旦確定了 |
| 00:08:53,960 | 00:08:55,960 | 未來到2030年 |
| 00:08:55,960 | 00:08:57,960 | 這段時間 |
| 00:08:57,960 | 00:08:59,960 | 我天一屋要去 |
| 00:08:59,960 | 00:09:01,960 | 我們就要教訓教走 |
| 00:09:01,960 | 00:09:03,960 | 你保證說 |
| 00:09:03,960 | 00:09:05,960 | 我這間屋要花兩千一百萬 |
| 00:09:05,960 | 00:09:07,960 | 你就要準備兩千一百萬 |
| 00:09:07,960 | 00:09:09,960 | 人家要跟你簽約 |
| 00:09:09,960 | 00:09:11,960 | 不然誰要跟你信 |
| 00:09:11,960 | 00:09:13,960 | 你說沒有 |
| 00:09:13,960 | 00:09:15,960 | 我要去一間透天一屋 |
| 00:09:15,960 | 00:09:17,960 | 但是我一年存四百萬 |
| 00:09:17,960 | 00:09:19,960 | 但是呢 |
| 00:09:19,960 | 00:09:21,960 | 當年的四百萬 |
| 00:09:21,960 | 00:09:23,960 | 我沒有公正跟遵守 |
| 00:09:23,960 | 00:09:25,960 | 因為這條錢是我們中人借的 |
| 00:09:25,960 | 00:09:27,960 | 我們的無人載具 |
| 00:09:27,960 | 00:09:29,960 | 需要一個完整的戰力 |
| 00:09:29,960 | 00:09:31,960 | 它不是透天處 |
| 00:09:31,960 | 00:09:33,960 | 我剛剛說的 |
| 00:09:33,960 | 00:09:35,960 | 一棟透天處 |
| 00:09:35,960 | 00:09:37,960 | 兩千一百萬 |
| 00:09:37,960 | 00:09:39,960 | 災難說太少了 |
| 00:09:39,960 | 00:09:41,960 | 我給你六座小木屋 |
| 00:09:41,960 | 00:09:43,960 | 一座四百萬 |
| 00:09:43,960 | 00:09:45,960 | 你要每年一座四百萬蓋個小木屋 |
| 00:09:45,960 | 00:09:47,960 | 還是要蓋一個 |
| 00:09:47,960 | 00:09:49,960 | 可以居住真正長治久安的 |
| 00:09:49,960 | 00:09:51,960 | 透天處 |
| 00:09:51,960 | 00:09:53,960 | 我想一般鄉親都說 |
| 00:09:53,960 | 00:09:55,960 | 我怎麼說一年你給我蓋一個小木屋 |
| 00:09:55,960 | 00:09:57,960 | 洪太太敢敢去 |
| 00:09:57,960 | 00:09:59,960 | 每年都蓋 |
| 00:09:59,960 | 00:10:01,960 | 不是兩千四百萬比較多 |
| 00:10:01,960 | 00:10:03,960 | 那是假支票 |
| 00:10:05,960 | 00:10:07,960 | 好 |
| 00:10:07,960 | 00:10:09,960 | 那所以我在說的 |
| 00:10:09,960 | 00:10:11,960 | 我們不是 |
| 00:10:11,960 | 00:10:13,960 | 我們要的是一棟透天處 |
| 00:10:13,960 | 00:10:15,960 | 我們不要六座小木屋 |
| 00:10:15,960 | 00:10:17,960 | 更何況如果把這個比喻 |
| 00:10:17,960 | 00:10:19,960 | 放在我們國防上 |
| 00:10:19,960 | 00:10:21,960 | 我們要一座可以抵擋 |
| 00:10:21,960 | 00:10:23,960 | 敵人攻擊的碉堡 |
| 00:10:23,960 | 00:10:25,960 | 不是六座在沙灘上的 |
| 00:10:25,960 | 00:10:27,960 | 野戰帳篷 |
| 00:10:27,960 | 00:10:29,960 | 國民黨的立委剛剛講的 |
| 00:10:29,960 | 00:10:31,960 | 天花亂墜 |
| 00:10:31,960 | 00:10:33,960 | 說什麼年度預算比較能夠把握 |
| 00:10:33,960 | 00:10:35,960 | 說什麼產業需要 |
| 00:10:35,960 | 00:10:37,960 | 長單沒有錯啊 |
| 00:10:37,960 | 00:10:39,960 | 你跟營造廠下個單 |
| 00:10:39,960 | 00:10:41,960 | 我兩千一百萬給你蓋個透天處 |
| 00:10:41,960 | 00:10:43,960 | 他就會去掉工掉料啊 |
| 00:10:43,960 | 00:10:45,960 | 你跟他說我每年給你四百萬給你蓋個透天處 |
| 00:10:45,960 | 00:10:47,960 | 幾個去給你看 |
| 00:10:47,960 | 00:10:49,960 | 所以 |
| 00:10:49,960 | 00:10:51,960 | 在這裡啊我們希望啊 |
| 00:10:51,960 | 00:10:53,960 | 今天的預算不曉得今天的法案審查 |
| 00:10:53,960 | 00:10:55,960 | 很簡單14個版本 |
| 00:10:55,960 | 00:10:57,960 | 用來區分 |
| 00:10:57,960 | 00:10:59,960 | 特別預算的就是真的 |
| 00:10:59,960 | 00:11:01,960 | 年度預算的 |
| 00:11:01,960 | 00:11:03,960 | 沒有預算的就是假的 |
| 00:11:03,960 | 00:11:05,960 | 所以呢賴委員先離開 |
| 00:11:05,960 | 00:11:07,960 | 我要恭喜賴委員 |
| 00:11:07,960 | 00:11:09,960 | 他的版本是真的 |
| 00:11:09,960 | 00:11:11,960 | 多少五百億 |
| 00:11:11,960 | 00:11:13,960 | 五百億啊 |
| 00:11:13,960 | 00:11:15,960 | 就是真實的 |
| 00:11:15,960 | 00:11:17,960 | 國民黨現在唯一的 |
| 00:11:17,960 | 00:11:19,960 | 版本打算來回應 |
| 00:11:19,960 | 00:11:21,960 | 整個社會國家 |
| 00:11:21,960 | 00:11:23,960 | 我們自我防衛的需求 |
| 00:11:23,960 | 00:11:25,960 | 要給國防部採購無人載具 |
| 00:11:25,960 | 00:11:27,960 | 五百億 |
| 00:11:27,960 | 00:11:29,960 | 這不是 |
| 00:11:29,960 | 00:11:31,960 | 五毛給一塊啊 |
| 00:11:31,960 | 00:11:33,960 | 這是要五塊給一毛啊 |
| 00:11:33,960 | 00:11:35,960 | 我們要兩千一百億 |
| 00:11:35,960 | 00:11:37,960 | 來建立國防他說我給你 |
| 00:11:37,960 | 00:11:39,960 | 五百億的特別預算 |
| 00:11:39,960 | 00:11:41,960 | 讓你品化賣了 |
| 00:11:41,960 | 00:11:43,960 | 所以這裡呢 |
| 00:11:43,960 | 00:11:45,960 | 我們要跟他說 |
| 00:11:45,960 | 00:11:49,960 | 六棟小木屋 |
| 00:11:49,960 | 00:11:53,960 | 換不到一座透天處啦 |
| 00:11:53,960 | 00:11:55,960 | 六座小木屋 |
| 00:11:55,960 | 00:11:59,960 | 換不到一座透天處 |
| 00:11:59,960 | 00:12:01,960 | 我們呢很清楚 |
| 00:12:01,960 | 00:12:03,960 | 本席的版本 |
| 00:12:03,960 | 00:12:05,960 | 也是以行政院的兩千一百億 |
| 00:12:05,960 | 00:12:07,960 | 去設算 |
| 00:12:07,960 | 00:12:09,960 | 當然賴司法委員他 |
| 00:12:09,960 | 00:12:11,960 | 有兩套法案 |
| 00:12:11,960 | 00:12:13,960 | 他說這兩套他剛剛自己講 |
| 00:12:13,960 | 00:12:15,960 | 他說不是不用 |
| 00:12:15,960 | 00:12:17,960 | 這兩個併在一起其實就是一個 |
| 00:12:17,960 | 00:12:19,960 | 如果還有這樣的話就用本席的版本 |
| 00:12:19,960 | 00:12:21,960 | 本席的版本就是有行政院 |
| 00:12:21,960 | 00:12:23,960 | 兩千一百萬的預算 |
| 00:12:23,960 | 00:12:25,960 | 特別預算額度 |
| 00:12:25,960 | 00:12:27,960 | 但是也有賴司法委員 |
| 00:12:27,960 | 00:12:29,960 | 裡面他裡面寫什麼 |
| 00:12:29,960 | 00:12:31,960 | 他說無人載具產業要 |
| 00:12:31,960 | 00:12:33,960 | 升級條例啊 |
| 00:12:33,960 | 00:12:35,960 | 本席的版本就把 |
| 00:12:35,960 | 00:12:37,960 | 無人載具未來這個產業 |
| 00:12:37,960 | 00:12:39,960 | 要創建他所需要的法規 |
| 00:12:39,960 | 00:12:41,960 | 需要解套的行政命令 |
| 00:12:41,960 | 00:12:43,960 | 通通都放在同一個版本 |
| 00:12:43,960 | 00:12:45,960 | 如果賴委員待會兒 |
| 00:12:45,960 | 00:12:47,960 | 再回來我還是會跟他 |
| 00:12:47,960 | 00:12:49,960 | 爭取他的兩個版本 |
| 00:12:49,960 | 00:12:51,960 | 一個是特別預算五百億 |
| 00:12:51,960 | 00:12:53,960 | 一個是產業升級條例 |
| 00:12:53,960 | 00:12:55,960 | 如果他覺得是一槓的同一件事情 |
| 00:12:55,960 | 00:12:57,960 | 那請他來支持本席的版本 |
| 00:12:57,960 | 00:12:59,960 | 本席的版本 |
| 00:12:59,960 | 00:13:01,960 | 有兩千一百億的特別預算 |
| 00:13:01,960 | 00:13:03,960 | 比他的多符合國防部 |
| 00:13:03,960 | 00:13:05,960 | 我們國家自主防衛的需求 |
| 00:13:05,960 | 00:13:07,960 | 然後呢產業升級的部分我也有 |
| 00:13:07,960 | 00:13:09,960 | 內容應該不亞於他的 |
| 00:13:09,960 | 00:13:11,960 | 那至於其他的版本 |
| 00:13:11,960 | 00:13:13,960 | 因為我們是做提案說明 |
| 00:13:13,960 | 00:13:15,960 | 包括民眾黨的版本 |
| 00:13:15,960 | 00:13:17,960 | 我就不便說什麼了 |
| 00:13:17,960 | 00:13:19,960 | 所以我還是要呼籲一下 |
| 00:13:19,960 | 00:13:21,960 | 今天的審查 |
| 00:13:21,960 | 00:13:23,960 | 召委主席 |
| 00:13:23,960 | 00:13:25,960 | 是要當副總召的旗子 |
| 00:13:25,960 | 00:13:27,960 | 根據他們在AIT官員 |
| 00:13:27,960 | 00:13:29,960 | 面前的說法 |
| 00:13:29,960 | 00:13:31,960 | 保證今天一定出委員會 |
| 00:13:31,960 | 00:13:33,960 | 我很好奇啊為什麼要跟美國的AIT官員承諾這個呢 |
| 00:13:33,960 | 00:13:35,960 | 要做給誰看 |
| 00:13:35,960 | 00:13:37,960 | 要做給誰看 |
| 00:13:37,960 | 00:13:39,960 | 然後呢 |
| 00:13:39,960 | 00:13:41,960 | 而且一定要在8月28號 |
| 00:13:41,960 | 00:13:43,960 | 本月份本會期 |
| 00:13:43,960 | 00:13:45,960 | 做個新囚一定會三讀完成 |
| 00:13:45,960 | 00:13:47,960 | 講得信誓旦旦 |
| 00:13:47,960 | 00:13:49,960 | 似乎希望自己未來到美國去的時候 |
| 00:13:49,960 | 00:13:51,960 | 能得到多高的層級的接待嗎 |
| 00:13:51,960 | 00:13:53,960 | 是這樣嗎 |
| 00:13:53,960 | 00:13:55,960 | 還是召委也得到了這樣的承諾 |
| 00:13:55,960 | 00:13:57,960 | 說只要今天出委員會 |
| 00:13:57,960 | 00:13:59,960 | 以後呢去其他國家 |
| 00:13:59,960 | 00:14:01,960 | 不知道哪一個國家 |
| 00:14:01,960 | 00:14:03,960 | 會得到比較高規格的接待 |
| 00:14:03,960 | 00:14:05,960 | 錯 |
| 00:14:05,960 | 00:14:07,960 | 無人載具是為了台灣 |
| 00:14:07,960 | 00:14:09,960 | 是為了自己的國家 |
| 00:14:09,960 | 00:14:11,960 | 不是為了給誰看 |
| 00:14:11,960 | 00:14:13,960 | 是給人民看 |
| 00:14:13,960 | 00:14:15,960 | 給社會看 |
| 00:14:15,960 | 00:14:17,960 | 現在全社會都在關心 |
| 00:14:17,960 | 00:14:19,960 | 阿烏克蘭跟俄羅斯 |
| 00:14:19,960 | 00:14:21,960 | 可以撐這麼久 |
| 00:14:21,960 | 00:14:23,960 | 他們的國防部長雖然剛被撤換掉 |
| 00:14:23,960 | 00:14:25,960 | 他所要堅持的 |
| 00:14:25,960 | 00:14:27,960 | 一個轉型 |
| 00:14:27,960 | 00:14:29,960 | 就是透過先進的科技 |
| 00:14:29,960 | 00:14:31,960 | 結合了新創的 |
| 00:14:31,960 | 00:14:33,960 | 創業家 |
| 00:14:33,960 | 00:14:35,960 | 在美國是如此 |
| 00:14:35,960 | 00:14:37,960 | 在烏克蘭義夫是如此 |
| 00:14:37,960 | 00:14:39,960 | 我們的國防部這幾年用心 |
| 00:14:39,960 | 00:14:41,960 | 用力的轉型 |
| 00:14:41,960 | 00:14:43,960 | 從早期我在2016年 |
| 00:14:43,960 | 00:14:45,960 | 進行法院的時候 |
| 00:14:45,960 | 00:14:47,960 | 國防部長那時候是我們的同事 |
| 00:14:47,960 | 00:14:49,960 | 那時候有一個前參謀總長 |
| 00:14:49,960 | 00:14:51,960 | 李喜明李將軍 |
| 00:14:51,960 | 00:14:53,960 | 他提出了一個 |
| 00:14:53,960 | 00:14:55,960 | 不對稱的概念 |
| 00:14:55,960 | 00:14:57,960 | 他提出了台灣的 |
| 00:14:57,960 | 00:14:59,960 | 勝算這本書 |
| 00:14:59,960 | 00:15:01,960 | 這本書我還開了 |
| 00:15:01,960 | 00:15:03,960 | 讀書小組去研究 |
| 00:15:03,960 | 00:15:05,960 | 他在那本書裡面 |
| 00:15:05,960 | 00:15:07,960 | 擔任過當時 |
| 00:15:07,960 | 00:15:09,960 | 中華民國參謀總長 |
| 00:15:09,960 | 00:15:11,960 | 他的前 |
| 00:15:11,960 | 00:15:13,960 | 上將 |
| 00:15:13,960 | 00:15:15,960 | 他說了我們要來因應 |
| 00:15:15,960 | 00:15:17,960 | 不對稱的作戰 |
| 00:15:17,960 | 00:15:19,960 | 這幾年國防部 |
| 00:15:19,960 | 00:15:21,960 | 也應該有看到了 |
| 00:15:21,960 | 00:15:23,960 | 未來不對稱作戰在台灣海島防衛的重要性 |
| 00:15:23,960 | 00:15:25,960 | 所以我們 |
| 00:15:25,960 | 00:15:27,960 | 除了高富大的尖端武器之外 |
| 00:15:27,960 | 00:15:29,960 | 這些大型的武器宰台 |
| 00:15:29,960 | 00:15:31,960 | 非但我們努力的充實之外 |
| 00:15:31,960 | 00:15:33,960 | 我們也發現 |
| 00:15:33,960 | 00:15:35,960 | 應該要趕快的來發展無人載具 |
| 00:15:35,960 | 00:15:37,960 | 就像烏克蘭現在 |
| 00:15:37,960 | 00:15:39,960 | 能夠對抗俄羅斯他們 |
| 00:15:39,960 | 00:15:41,960 | 一視的就是這樣的新的科技 |
| 00:15:41,960 | 00:15:43,960 | 而且台灣絕對有這個能力 |
| 00:15:43,960 | 00:15:45,960 | 台灣比烏克蘭多一個優勢 |
| 00:15:45,960 | 00:15:47,960 | 但是我們沒有他的 |
| 00:15:47,960 | 00:15:49,960 | 作戰的實務經驗 |
| 00:15:49,960 | 00:15:51,960 | 我想我們不希望 |
| 00:15:51,960 | 00:15:53,960 | 向烏克蘭付出犧牲 |
| 00:15:53,960 | 00:15:55,960 | 慘痛的犧牲換到真實的 |
| 00:15:55,960 | 00:15:57,960 | 戰場經驗我們可以借鏡他的 |
| 00:15:57,960 | 00:15:59,960 | 戰場經驗但是台灣有一項 |
| 00:15:59,960 | 00:16:01,960 | 烏克蘭所沒有的就是我們的 |
| 00:16:01,960 | 00:16:03,960 | 先進晶片 |
| 00:16:03,960 | 00:16:05,960 | 為什麼其他的民主先進同盟 |
| 00:16:05,960 | 00:16:07,960 | 要來尋求跟台灣合作 |
| 00:16:07,960 | 00:16:09,960 | 無人載具 |
| 00:16:09,960 | 00:16:11,960 | 無人載具最關鍵的晶片 |
| 00:16:11,960 | 00:16:13,960 | 就是現在烏克蘭為什麼 |
| 00:16:13,960 | 00:16:15,960 | 買了大疆的硬核 |
| 00:16:15,960 | 00:16:17,960 | 要把晶片拆解掉 |
| 00:16:17,960 | 00:16:19,960 | 因為中國 |
| 00:16:19,960 | 00:16:21,960 | 同時供應俄羅斯跟烏克蘭 |
| 00:16:21,960 | 00:16:23,960 | 同一組大疆的 |
| 00:16:23,960 | 00:16:25,960 | 載具兩軍 |
| 00:16:25,960 | 00:16:27,960 | 對抗用同一個國家的武器 |
| 00:16:27,960 | 00:16:29,960 | 你可以相信嗎 |
| 00:16:29,960 | 00:16:31,960 | 所以烏克蘭也積極的尋求跟 |
| 00:16:31,960 | 00:16:33,960 | 台灣的合作 |
| 00:16:33,960 | 00:16:35,960 | 透過美國的先進設計 |
| 00:16:35,960 | 00:16:37,960 | 在台灣製造風裝的晶片 |
| 00:16:37,960 | 00:16:39,960 | 未來結合台灣 |
| 00:16:39,960 | 00:16:41,960 | 我們的模具充壓 |
| 00:16:41,960 | 00:16:43,960 | 結合我們的射出成型 |
| 00:16:43,960 | 00:16:45,960 | 結合我們的精密金屬 |
| 00:16:45,960 | 00:16:47,960 | 結合我們的小型引擎 |
| 00:16:47,960 | 00:16:49,960 | 這些都是台灣 |
| 00:16:49,960 | 00:16:51,960 | 鼎鼎永明世界 |
| 00:16:51,960 | 00:16:53,960 | 隱形冠軍的傳統產業 |
| 00:16:53,960 | 00:16:55,960 | 都在哪裡 |
| 00:16:55,960 | 00:16:57,960 | 中部南部比比皆是 |
| 00:16:57,960 | 00:16:59,960 | 彰化有不是只有台中有 |
| 00:16:59,960 | 00:17:01,960 | 高雄有其實屏東也有 |
| 00:17:01,960 | 00:17:03,960 | 這些傳統產業 |
| 00:17:03,960 | 00:17:05,960 | 這次看準了 |
| 00:17:05,960 | 00:17:07,960 | 這次的商機都準備 |
| 00:17:07,960 | 00:17:09,960 | 大顯身手 |
| 00:17:09,960 | 00:17:11,960 | 為什麼以前我們既然有這麼好的優勢 |
| 00:17:11,960 | 00:17:13,960 | 為什麼拼不過大疆 |
| 00:17:13,960 | 00:17:15,960 | 大疆便宜啊 |
| 00:17:15,960 | 00:17:17,960 | 人家一萬塊的東西 |
| 00:17:17,960 | 00:17:19,960 | 我們要做三萬塊啊 |
| 00:17:19,960 | 00:17:21,960 | 世界市場 |
| 00:17:21,960 | 00:17:23,960 | 商用的市場 |
| 00:17:23,960 | 00:17:25,960 | 民用的市場它當然價格取向 |
| 00:17:25,960 | 00:17:27,960 | 但是現在 |
| 00:17:27,960 | 00:17:29,960 | 如果要面對武力的威脅 |
| 00:17:29,960 | 00:17:31,960 | 我們不可能 |
| 00:17:31,960 | 00:17:33,960 | 去買一個中國大疆一萬塊的無人機 |
| 00:17:33,960 | 00:17:35,960 | 來改裝 |
| 00:17:35,960 | 00:17:37,960 | 我們包括其他的民主同盟 |
| 00:17:37,960 | 00:17:39,960 | 為了抵抗 |
| 00:17:39,960 | 00:17:41,960 | 邪惡野心軸心的對抗 |
| 00:17:41,960 | 00:17:43,960 | 包括伊朗我們會用什麼 |
| 00:17:43,960 | 00:17:45,960 | 我們寧可花三萬塊 |
| 00:17:45,960 | 00:17:47,960 | 跟台灣買 |
| 00:17:47,960 | 00:17:49,960 | 上面的晶片是 |
| 00:17:49,960 | 00:17:51,960 | 有國際合作認證 |
| 00:17:51,960 | 00:17:53,960 | 不管是 |
| 00:17:53,960 | 00:17:55,960 | Blue US |
| 00:17:55,960 | 00:17:57,960 | 還是Green US |
| 00:17:57,960 | 00:17:59,960 | 至少呢 |
| 00:17:59,960 | 00:18:01,960 | 是一個可信賴的晶片 |
| 00:18:01,960 | 00:18:03,960 | 台灣現在正 |
| 00:18:03,960 | 00:18:05,960 | 站在一個未來無人載具 |
| 00:18:05,960 | 00:18:07,960 | 要正碧高飛的一個 |
| 00:18:07,960 | 00:18:09,960 | 產業時代 |
| 00:18:09,960 | 00:18:11,960 | 我們有先進的晶片的製造能力 |
| 00:18:11,960 | 00:18:13,960 | 我們有去紅供應鏈的安全保證 |
| 00:18:13,960 | 00:18:15,960 | 我們有傳統產業 |
| 00:18:15,960 | 00:18:17,960 | 各項 |
| 00:18:17,960 | 00:18:19,960 | 機器設備的支持 |
| 00:18:19,960 | 00:18:21,960 | 現在全世界 |
| 00:18:21,960 | 00:18:23,960 | 在等著跟台灣 |
| 00:18:23,960 | 00:18:25,960 | 下單 |
| 00:18:25,960 | 00:18:27,960 | 但是未來台灣 |
| 00:18:27,960 | 00:18:29,960 | 是只能夠當國外 |
| 00:18:29,960 | 00:18:31,960 | 整機的零組件供應商 |
| 00:18:31,960 | 00:18:33,960 | 還是台灣有 |
| 00:18:33,960 | 00:18:35,960 | 能力自主生產 |
| 00:18:35,960 | 00:18:37,960 | 整機整座的無人載具 |
| 00:18:37,960 | 00:18:39,960 | 系統 |
| 00:18:39,960 | 00:18:41,960 | 今天的法案審查至關 |
| 00:18:41,960 | 00:18:43,960 | 重要 |
| 00:18:43,960 | 00:18:45,960 | 本席在過去從2017 |
| 00:18:45,960 | 00:18:47,960 | 參與了民用航空法 |
| 00:18:47,960 | 00:18:49,960 | 遙控無人機專章的修法以來 |
| 00:18:49,960 | 00:18:51,960 | 我們就很清楚 |
| 00:18:51,960 | 00:18:53,960 | 現在已經不是2017 |
| 00:18:53,960 | 00:18:55,960 | 2018空拍機 |
| 00:18:55,960 | 00:18:57,960 | 農噴機的時代 |
| 00:18:57,960 | 00:18:59,960 | 現在的無人載具背負的 |
| 00:18:59,960 | 00:19:01,960 | 是面對強大武力 |
| 00:19:01,960 | 00:19:03,960 | 威脅的其他民主國家 |
| 00:19:03,960 | 00:19:05,960 | 我們必須透過無人載具 |
| 00:19:05,960 | 00:19:07,960 | 來構築我們的 |
| 00:19:07,960 | 00:19:09,960 | 金鐘罩鐵布山的防禦網 |
| 00:19:09,960 | 00:19:11,960 | 而無人載具 |
| 00:19:11,960 | 00:19:13,960 | 剛好就是台灣的優勢 |
| 00:19:13,960 | 00:19:15,960 | 所在 |
| 00:19:15,960 | 00:19:17,960 | 如果李喜明將軍出了一本 |
| 00:19:17,960 | 00:19:19,960 | 叫台灣的勝算 |
| 00:19:19,960 | 00:19:21,960 | 我們應該說無人載具 |
| 00:19:21,960 | 00:19:23,960 | 就是台灣的優勢 |
| 00:19:23,960 | 00:19:25,960 | 至於剛剛有委員提到 |
| 00:19:25,960 | 00:19:27,960 | 2030年編了2100億的 |
| 00:19:27,960 | 00:19:29,960 | 特別預算 |
| 00:19:29,960 | 00:19:31,960 | 國防部中科院 |
| 00:19:31,960 | 00:19:33,960 | 會不會浪費 |
| 00:19:33,960 | 00:19:35,960 | 虛擬 |
| 00:19:35,960 | 00:19:37,960 | 我認為美國的經驗 |
| 00:19:37,960 | 00:19:39,960 | 值得參考 |
| 00:19:39,960 | 00:19:41,960 | 美國的無人機優勢計畫 |
| 00:19:41,960 | 00:19:43,960 | 並不快速 |
| 00:19:43,960 | 00:19:45,960 | 不會是一次批量的 |
| 00:19:45,960 | 00:19:47,960 | 全部買齊 |
| 00:19:47,960 | 00:19:49,960 | 而是在這樣的一個預算架構之下 |
| 00:19:49,960 | 00:19:51,960 | 逐步的太選 |
| 00:19:51,960 | 00:19:53,960 | 廠商給予優秀的 |
| 00:19:53,960 | 00:19:55,960 | 廠商 |
| 00:19:55,960 | 00:19:57,960 | 獲選的廠商更大的訂單 |
| 00:19:57,960 | 00:19:59,960 | 讓他能將最新的技術 |
| 00:19:59,960 | 00:20:01,960 | 供應給我們第一線 |
| 00:20:01,960 | 00:20:03,960 | 保衛國家安全的官兵手上 |
| 00:20:05,960 | 00:20:07,960 | 無人載具甚至在烏克蘭 |
| 00:20:07,960 | 00:20:09,960 | 第一線的作戰官兵 |
| 00:20:09,960 | 00:20:11,960 | 可以得到點數 |
| 00:20:11,960 | 00:20:13,960 | 他們都會小額的方式 |
| 00:20:13,960 | 00:20:15,960 | 自行向無人機的製造商下單 |
| 00:20:15,960 | 00:20:17,960 | 然後他們如果有 |
| 00:20:17,960 | 00:20:19,960 | 擊殺成功獲得的點數 |
| 00:20:19,960 | 00:20:21,960 | 就可以換得 |
| 00:20:21,960 | 00:20:23,960 | 新購無人機的預算 |
| 00:20:23,960 | 00:20:25,960 | 這個才是厲害 |
| 00:20:25,960 | 00:20:27,960 | 烏克蘭在實際戰爭當中 |
| 00:20:27,960 | 00:20:29,960 | 讓第一線的官兵 |
| 00:20:29,960 | 00:20:31,960 | 使用無人機擊殺二軍的官兵 |
| 00:20:31,960 | 00:20:33,960 | 用他們自己買來 |
| 00:20:33,960 | 00:20:35,960 | 跟民間採購的 |
| 00:20:35,960 | 00:20:37,960 | 各式各樣創新的無人載具 |
| 00:20:37,960 | 00:20:39,960 | 去抵抗 |
| 00:20:39,960 | 00:20:41,960 | 俄羅斯的侵略 |
| 00:20:41,960 | 00:20:43,960 | 成功的就點數 |
| 00:20:43,960 | 00:20:45,960 | 點數多的還可以獲配 |
| 00:20:45,960 | 00:20:47,960 | 國防部配給他 |
| 00:20:47,960 | 00:20:49,960 | 更多額的預算 |
| 00:20:49,960 | 00:20:51,960 | 那麼他的供應商也就能夠 |
| 00:20:51,960 | 00:20:53,960 | 持續的研發更好的無人載具 |
| 00:20:53,960 | 00:20:55,960 | 給烏軍使用 |
| 00:20:55,960 | 00:20:57,960 | 這些例子 |
| 00:20:57,960 | 00:20:59,960 | 也要請那些口口聲聲說 |
| 00:20:59,960 | 00:21:01,960 | 要每年 |
| 00:21:01,960 | 00:21:03,960 | 400億65年年度預算 |
| 00:21:03,960 | 00:21:05,960 | 開這種假支票的 |
| 00:21:05,960 | 00:21:07,960 | 在野黨的版本 |
| 00:21:07,960 | 00:21:09,960 | 好好地回去研究一下 |
| 00:21:09,960 | 00:21:11,960 | 烏克蘭怎麼做的 |
| 00:21:11,960 | 00:21:13,960 | 台灣未來不需要付出 |
| 00:21:13,960 | 00:21:15,960 | 這樣實際戰爭慘痛的犧牲教訓 |
| 00:21:15,960 | 00:21:17,960 | 我們可以學習 |
| 00:21:17,960 | 00:21:19,960 | 美國怎麼做的 |
| 00:21:19,960 | 00:21:21,960 | 美國的應付快速迭代的優勢計畫 |
| 00:21:21,960 | 00:21:23,960 | 我們可以參考 |
| 00:21:23,960 | 00:21:25,960 | 但是我們的前線官兵 |
| 00:21:25,960 | 00:21:27,960 | 我們的國軍需要真正的採購 |
| 00:21:27,960 | 00:21:29,960 | 不要假支票 |
| 00:21:29,960 | 00:21:31,960 | 我要真採購 |
| 00:21:31,960 | 00:21:33,960 | 不要假支票 |
| 00:21:33,960 | 00:21:35,960 | 接下來召委主席的時候 |
| 00:21:35,960 | 00:21:37,960 | 可以把727 |
| 00:21:37,960 | 00:21:39,960 | 828這兩個魔術數字 |
| 00:21:39,960 | 00:21:41,960 | 從你的心中抹掉 |
| 00:21:41,960 | 00:21:43,960 | 那個換不到 |
| 00:21:43,960 | 00:21:45,960 | 任何民間人士 |
| 00:21:45,960 | 00:21:47,960 | 專業社團 |
| 00:21:47,960 | 00:21:49,960 | 對本委員會審查法案品質的尊重 |
| 00:21:49,960 | 00:21:51,960 | 謝謝 |
| 00:21:51,960 | 00:21:53,960 | 謝謝中央 |