| IVOD_ID |
17069 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17069 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-26 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-26T08:31:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-26T13:26:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:54:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/b41997f390c3528eebe75ddd41b8471a6c0396a52a66779685db5c09cad80ab772c9617550e2950f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期財政、內政、外交及國防、經濟、教育及文化、交通、司法及法制、社會福利及衛生環境會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查或處理「中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第5期特別預算(114年度)」及「114年度中央政府總預算追加預算」決議：
一、有關中央研究院預算凍結書面報告案1案。
二、有關國立故宮博物院預算凍結書面報告案4案。
三、有關國家發展委員會預算凍結書面報告案1案。
四、有關行政院公共工程委員會預算凍結書面報告案1案。
五、有關內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案4案。
六、有關財政部主管預算凍結書面報告案1案。
七、有關教育部主管預算凍結書面報告案3案。
八、有關經濟部主管預算凍結書面報告案3案。
九、有關交通部主管預算凍結書面報告案10案。
十、有關衛生福利部主管預算凍結書面報告案4案。
十一、有關文化部主管預算凍結書面報告案1案。
十二、有關數位發展部主管預算凍結書面報告案3案。
十三、有關國家通訊傳播委員會預算凍結書面報告案1案。
十四、有關考試院主管預算凍結書面報告案1案。
十五、有關外交部主管預算凍結書面報告案1案。
十六、有關大陸委員會預算凍結書面報告案1案。
【11月26日及27日上午二天一次會】） |
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請主任秘書報告出席委員人數報告委員會出席委員已足法定人數現在開始開會請議事人員宣讀今日議程 |
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審查或處理中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第五期特別預算114年度及114年度中央政府總預算追加預算決議一有關中央研究院預算凍結書面報告案一案二有關國立故宮博物院預算凍結書面報告案四案三有關國家發展委員會預算凍結書面報告案一案四有關行政院公共工程委員會預算凍結書面報告案一案 |
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五 有關內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案四案六 有關財政部主管預算凍結書面報告案一案七 有關教育部主管預算凍結書面報告案三案八 有關經濟部主管預算凍結書面報告案三案九 有關交通部主管預算凍結書面報告案十案十 有關衛生福利部主管預算凍結書面報告案四案 |
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十一 有關文化部主管預算凍結書面報告案一案十二 有關數位發展部主管預算凍結書面報告案三案十三 有關國家通訊傳播委員會預算凍結書面報告案一案十四 有關考試院主管預算凍結書面報告案一案十五 有關外交部主管預算凍結書面報告案一案十六 有關大陸委員會預算凍結書面報告案一案 宣讀完畢 |
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我們今天是聯席會議在場的官員媒體都相當多請各位保持聲量如果要討論的時候請降低聲量我先介紹在場的與會的政府官員中央研究院特聘研究員吳茂坤歡迎國立故宮博物院院長蕭忠煌 |
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國家發展委員會副主任委員高仙貴行政院公共工程委員會主任委員陳金德內政部政務次長馬世元財政部常務次長謝靈元教育部政務次長張料萬堅經濟部政務次長何進昌會計處副處長黃凱平 |
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能源署副署長陳崇憲商業發展署副署長陳密順交通部常務次長林國賢衛生福利部常務次長莊仁祥會計處處長張玉珍長期照顧師檢任計政白珊琪食品業務管理署副署長王德源文化部常務次長徐怡君 |
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外交部政務次長吳志忠納入委員會副主任委員梁文傑法政處處長周明瑞財團法人海峽交流基金會副董事長兼秘書長羅文嘉副秘書長李寶文行政院主計總處副主計長陳慧娟 |
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介紹我們在場的委員吳秉瑞委員還有鍾嘉賓委員 |
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報告事項中有關中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第五期特別預算114年度解凍案書面報告案28案包括中央研究院一案國立故宮博物院四案國家發展委員會一案行政院公共工程委員會一案內政部主管兩案財政部主管一案教育部主管兩案 |
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1991.89 |
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2013.312 |
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经济部主管一案交通部主管十案卫生福利部主管三案文化部一案数位发展部主管一案及114年度中央政府总预算最佳预算解冻案书面报告案六案包括国家通讯传播委员会一案公务人员保障及培训委员会一案教育部主管一案内政部主管两案外交部一案请议事人员宣读 |
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2017.1 |
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一 處理中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第五期特別預算114年度決議一 有關中央研究院第一幕綠能建設預算凍結二十分之一書面報告案二 有關故宮博物院 |
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2032.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
2038.226 |
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預算凍結書面報告案4案1決議1第一幕數位建設預算凍結1 2決議2第一幕數位建設預算凍結1 3決議3第一幕數位建設預算凍結1 4決議4第一幕 |
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2050.017 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
2078.156 |
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數位建設預算凍結十分之一三有關國家發展委員會第二幕人才培育促進就業建設預算凍結十分之一書面報告案四有關行政院公共工程委員會第一幕數位建設預算凍結十分之一書面報告案五有關內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案兩案一國土管理署及所屬第一幕綠能建設預算凍結一百萬元二國土管理署及所屬第二幕城鄉建設向下提升道路品質預算凍結五百萬元 |
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2080.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
2099.02 |
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六有關財政部官務署第一幕數位建設第一節基礎建設環境之業務費預算凍結書面報告案七有關教育部主管預算凍結書面報告案兩案一該部第二幕人才培育促進就業建設預算凍結一百萬元二國民級學前教育署第一幕數位建設第二節數位人才淬鏈 |
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2100.081 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
2122.013 |
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預算凍結十分之一八有關經濟部商業發展署第三幕城鄉建設第一節公共服務據點準備向下公有危險建築補強重建計畫預算凍結十分之一書面報告案九有關交通部主管預算凍結書面報告案十案一該部第一幕軌道建設預算凍結十分之一二該部第二幕數位建設預算凍結十分之一 |
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2148.894 |
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三 中央氣象署第一幕數位建設預算凍結十分之一四 觀光署及所屬第一幕城鄉建設預算凍結十分之一五 運輸研究所第一幕數位建設預算凍結十分之一六 公路局及所屬第二幕數位建設預算凍結十分之一七 公路局及所屬第六幕第一節改善停車問題預算凍結二分之一八 鐵道局及所屬第一幕數位城鄉建設 |
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2150.135 |
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2178.314 |
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預算凍結十分之一九鐵道局級所屬第四目城鄉建設預算凍結十分之一十鐵道局級所屬第二目第二節城市推動捷運預算凍結十分之一十有關衛生福利部主管預算凍結書面報告案三案一該部主管第一目城鄉建設預算凍結十分之一二該部第一目城鄉建設向下公共服務據點整備預算凍結十分之一三食品藥物管理署第一目食品安全建設預算凍結十分之一 |
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十一有關文化部第一幕數位建設預算凍結十分之一書面報告案十二有關數位發展部資通安全署第一幕第一節台灣資安卓越深耕資安卓越中心計畫預算凍結十分之一書面報告案 |
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2217.811 |
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二處理114年度中央政府總預算追加預算決議一有關國家通訊傳播委員會第一幕一般行政預算凍結十分之一三書面報告案二有關考試院主管公務人員保障季培訓委員會預算凍結五萬元書面報告案三有關教育部主管預算凍結四分之一書面報告案四有關內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案二案 |
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2218.271 |
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2243.04 |
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一 該部第七目議政業務預算凍結五分之一二 警政署及所屬第六目刑事警察業務向下網路科技運用精進計畫預算凍結四億零五十四萬兩千元五 有關外交部第六目一般建築及設備向下辦理住雪梨辦事處管設構置計畫預算凍結二分之一書面報告案宣讀完畢 |
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请问各位委员针对以上预算解冻案的书面报告有无异议好 没有异议报告事项已解冻且无讨论事项冻结案之机关首长没有异议书面报告完成准予动之提报院会报告事项已解冻且无讨论事项冻结案之机关首长及幕僚人员可以先行离席好 |
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那因為今天人數比較多那所以離席的時候請大家也保持安靜 |
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| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2304.292 |
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我們接下來請議事人員宣讀討論事項請各位離席的時候盡量保持音量 |
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1 審查或處理中政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第五期特別預算114年度決議1 有關經濟部能源署第一幕綠能建設預算凍結200萬元書面報告案2 有關衛生福利部食品藥物管理署第一幕食品安全建設預算凍結十分之一專案報告案3 有關數位發展部主管預算凍結書面報告案二案1 該部第一幕數位 |
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2349.404 |
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建设第二节5G基础公共建设预算冻结二十分之一专案报告案二该部第一幕数位建设第二节5G基础公共建设预算冻结五百万元专案报告案二处理114年度中央政府总预算追加预算决议 |
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2361.59 |
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一有關大陸委員會第四目法政業務預算凍結五分之一專案報告案二有關經濟部能源署第一目能源科技計畫向下高雄海洋科技產業創新專區營運計畫預算凍結十分之三專案報告案宣讀完畢 |
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2398.255 |
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討論事項有關中央政府前瞻基礎建設計劃第五期特別預算114年度解凍案書面報告四案包括經濟部主管一案衛生福利部主管一案數位發展部主管兩案及114年度中央政府總預算追加預算解凍案書面報告兩案包括大陸委員會一案及經濟部主管一案請議事人員宣讀請各位保持宿敬請各位保持宿敬 |
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| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
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現在請相關部會首長就主管預算解凍案我們現在請經濟部和政次進場進行報告其餘部會的請參院書面報告 |
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| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2441.793 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
主席各位委員女士先生大院審議中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第五期特別預算本部主管部分所做成凍結決議記憶案計一四年度中央政府總預算追加預算本部主管的部分所做預算凍結決議記憶案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2463.61 |
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本部已按照決議的內容提出書面報告送大院今天請依照議程的順序來檢要報告如下進行指教那能源署在綠能建設預算凍結0.02億元一案本預算是建置離岸風電海事工程所需要的模擬培訓技術開發 |
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2465.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2483.878 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
海洋科技測試驗證等服務的量能涵蓋海上服務體穩定性與安全性的測試複合式的結構物的耐海性測試與驗證等項目以因應離岸風電推動及海洋科技發展的需求海洋科技產業創新專區符合國際趨勢與產業發展所需要 |
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2488.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2495.375 |
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可滿足國內離岸風電產業對技術驗證的需求支援臺灣及亞太地區的風電及海洋工程的產業 |
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2497.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2520.845 |
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至於一四年度中央政府總預算最佳預算部分能源署能源科技計畫高雄海洋科技產業創新專區營運計畫預算凍結十分之三一案本項預算系為維持海洋科技產業創新專區運作及海事工程專業人才培訓並確保相關工程項目能有效 |
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| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2547.411 |
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準確執行另外離岸工程的中心深水池已經在今年的八月啟用可提升海事工程人員人才的一個操作訓練及強化時海域模擬的能力為確保專區如期營運及維護管理以支援產業專業人力的培訓與海洋能源技術研發測試並維持離岸風電目標之推進 |
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2551.192 |
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2571.847 |
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以上各項的計劃所編的預算均配合國家重要政策的需要為利各項計劃及早完成以發揮效益懇請各位委員支持並同意相關經費制通知以上報告謝謝謝謝何市長的報告現在開始詢答先做一下宣告 |
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2593.693 |
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因為我們今天的登記要質詢的委員已經有超過半數了所以我們每位出席委員發言時間五分鐘我會做比較嚴格的管控不再延長今日上午十點截止發言登記現在依登記的順序請登記第一位林德副委員質詢 |
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2629.745 |
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謝謝主席是不是請內政部的次長經濟部次長還有其他國安會林委員林委員不好意思國安會副主委 |
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2630.711 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2656.934 |
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林委員 因為我們現在剩下這個討論事項的我們只有剩經濟部 衛福部 速發部還有大陸委員會那其餘因為剛剛這個報告事項結束了我剛剛有特別有宣告這個報告事項解凍而且沒有討論事項的凍結案的機關首長還有募勞人員可以先行離席所以現在在場的這個討論事項的只剩下經濟部 衛福部 速發部 陸委會 |
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2661.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2678.922 |
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你說剩經濟部 衛福部 速發部 陸委會對 因為剛剛這個已經解凍 報告上解凍了然後跟討論事項無關的其他的部會我就請他先離席了好 沒有關係來 那個經濟部我想 |
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2683.5 |
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2707.899 |
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最近國防部發布台灣全民安全的指引遭到程度不等的批評包括內政部長劉世芳他相信提供這樣錯誤訊息批評的人可能不是在台灣出生長大因為台灣每年的地震天災相當多我認為提供這樣訊息的人是公主病 |
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2709.161 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2721.398 |
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要嘛就是王子病他可能在吳承氏長大的另外經濟學人日前發布台灣有台灣病的看法經濟部長這個龔明新緩急說台灣 |
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2727.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2752.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
有臺灣病的看法經濟部長廣明欽說臺灣的有病的人才有病並表示臺灣近十年的整個經濟表現都跟匯率沒有關係更似乎我們沒有病那我請問這些批評時政的有病的人或是直接特定批評時政才是有病的人你認為這種 |
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2754.542 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2782.912 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
這個內容話語的回應是由部會首長直言符合整個理性適當嗎昨天有聯合報的民意論壇本席有看到民眾撞稿專題寫的就是台灣經濟健康嗎就怕沒病識感看完內容後也擔憂台灣會不會走到這一步希望大家都能夠深自的警惕因為 |
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2784.909 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2803.227 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
我是認為說我們在野黨當然是扮演監督制衡的工作那你要是說整個執政黨不能接受時事上的批評那我認為這個國家你說會往前成長會提升嗎 |
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2829.642 |
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那個你有什麼看法跟委員報告那經濟學院的這個報告其實他是在講到這個匯率的這個問題那部長的意思是說匯率其實影響匯率因素是很多的不是不見得你用單一項的這個指標就可以來這個去報道說這個台灣的匯率是一個怎麼樣的一個情況所以我想這個整個 |
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2831.743 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2855.755 |
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整個經濟發展的一個成果我想也是全民努力的一個結果其實我認為啦你喔 身為一個部會首長講那些話 講實在話人民真的看不下去好啊 繼續講啊最好講到賴清德對不對他要選總統的時候繼續講啊對不對 而且他最近很多部會首長的花言啦人民真的看不下去啦 |
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2856.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2883.775 |
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對不對 在當下我們當然是希望說整個國家是經濟提升 兩岸和平政治要親民從政的人要清廉國家才有希望但是啊 都講那些意識形態的我認為大可不必啦 對不對然後最最高層的LP你認為適當嗎對不對 大可不必啦那國話會今天有沒有人在 |
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| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2913.622 |
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林委員他們已經先回去了因為國發會包括媒體有報導對台灣同時面臨少子化很多缺工什麼的問題講實在話啦 問題一堆啦那我認為說那今天那個處紀長咧副處紀長林委員現在在場的只剩經濟部衛福部 速發部還有陸委會因為剛剛解凍案已經過了我就請他們先離席了 |
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這個實在是因為有很多問題要問那很多問題問你就全部讓他們回去我認為因為剛剛當然我差了一步我認為說很多事情我們是希望能夠好好的探討你要是說今天 |
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這個主席長也不在那一些重要的部會首長我們有一些問題需要他們來回應的幾乎啦當然主席你有你的權責但是來 副主席長還在是不是來 林委員副主席長在不在在對啊 在你還在還留著副主席長不在 |
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因為你看剩二十九秒因為足跡總數的統計臺灣七成的受僱員工呈現出現月薪收入低於平均值此現象反映了薪資分配不均的問題所以說縱使平均薪資年年提高但卻沒有辦法真正反映多數勞工的薪水 |
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的水準那我請問解決國內低薪的問題人才培育促進就業你認為政府有沒有治標治本的這個能力有沒有有有有我們基本上還是會就是說例如我們提高基本工資然後我們也會透過一些社會保障的支出所以也會把這些相關所得的差異會把它縮小 |
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我認為那個應該要優先順序才能緩和勞工勞動力的缺口如果沒有的話未來低薪勞動力缺口是不可能因為政府對產業偏惠程度不一造成比目前的狀況更加惡劣的一個結果我認為說這個部分應該要去重視是 各位我們會來努力好 謝謝謝謝林委員 接下來請吳秉瑞委員 |
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主席麻煩請經濟部何次長來 請何次長委員好何次長早早現在跟你請教我們現在的這個能源規劃尤其是發電的部分火力發電到了你長期規劃是佔比是多少 |
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當然我們現在就是說就是如果跟天然氣的比重加起來的話其實我們到2030年我們希望再生能力的比例是30% |
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我不是問再生能源 我問你火力發電火力發電就煤跟天然氣就是20跟50%總共50%就是2050年的長遠目標我提醒你是50%這50%裡面最主要的是天然氣發電因為天然氣發電顯然比用煤來講對空氣污染各方面都是比較好的 |
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然後雖然不一定會比較便宜但是因為現在大家重視這個污染問題所以天然氣到時候的占比會多少火力發電裡面的天然氣占比占全部是不是百分之三十那百分之三十現在台灣 |
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能夠向世界購買天然氣的公司有哪幾家目前的話我們是以澳洲卡達我說台灣的公司能夠買的就只有中油未來有三接之後有台電是不是這兩家這兩家是獨佔的買方因為目前我們也不可能開放私人公司 |
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另外如果是這樣的話請問我們現在用天然氣發電就以目前台灣存量最多可以多少天使用存量最多多少天我想我們都會達到安全存量 |
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這個實際的簽署你不用懷疑我是執政黨你不用懷疑我沒有要為難你啦因為實際的簽署那個10天嘛都知道了答案你就我是要用你的嘴巴講出來你不用在那邊我沒有的我是來跟你亂談聊天的嗎不是嘛10天萬一有地緣衝突中共這個校耶來跟你圍台的時候他如果給你封鎖海運那你怎麼辦 |
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現在問這個問題就是跟你講說10天的存量以及這個方式恐怕是有問題的 |
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我認為有一個很重要的觀點要請中油跟台電要想辦法建立LEG船隊台灣的LEG船隊因為地緣衝突的時候如果海域封鎖中國其他封鎖你周遭海域的時候中共如果這樣幹其他國家的船隊LEG船不敢靠近嗎 |
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他不必要冒著這麼大的風險但是如果是台灣的船台灣的船隊他就必須要冒這個風險克服這個風險來嘛來運嘛 對不對所以你站不站成說應該要去建立LEG船隊呢 |
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是我們應該是要這樣來保障我們的天然氣的運出那如果你同意這個方向不知道部長同不同意不知道院同不同意如果院同意部長同意的話是不是要請台電跟中油要往這方向來著想這個離真正建立還很遠是不是你很肯定說是喔那我不知道你們工部長或是卓院長會不會是跟你一樣的答案 |
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我想這個整個跟台灣的天然氣的運存量的一個保障其實我們如果有自己的SNG的船隊的話我覺得這個會比較有一個保障的一個運存的部分那如果這樣的話就要想說要如何去建立這個台灣的船隊第一個台灣的船員台灣的船長台灣這些要 |
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訓練要成長不然我們現在台灣其實台灣雖然有很多海專但是這個船員現在當船員的人很少這一方面要培養第二個你的運不要再由賣方把你運到台灣來因為其實運費是哪一個船隊來都差不多的 |
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你只是把它運費加到賣方還是由買方來運的問題所以是你契約要怎麼定的問題不然你現在中油跟台電他們公司的資本額弄不起這個船隊 |
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那以他們現在的資本額你說要到銀行大量舉借顯然有困難嘛這個銀行是評估嘛我跟你講台灣很多保險公司他大量的資金投資在美國用美債我們每一年為了要避險還要花非常多的成本台灣欠缺投資的環境啦 |
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如果政府來主導建立船隊讓這些大筆的資金投資在公共巡社公共運輸上面建立船隊上面這是不是一個可行的方向你們去想一想這樣也可以省掉很多避險的成本 |
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這是一個方向我提供給你們你們大家來思考看看台灣真的必須要建立自己的船隊否則的話對我們的國安問題是存在著挑戰的謝謝謝謝委員接下來我們請賴世保委員 |
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謝謝主席 語格先進有請經濟部的何次長好 委員好次長早我們看到今天台積電終於去告了羅為仁告他違反禁業禁止違反營業秘密法 |
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我不知道因為他所謂的營業秘密當然他指的是兩奈米底下兩奈米以內的技術算不算是高端的技術 |
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應該是非常高端的技術非常高端的技術啦那有沒有這麼高端的技術我們在過去經濟部常常喜歡講跟國安扣在一起它的一個機密被外洩的話是不是涉及到國安的現在高檢署正在調查當中經濟部有沒有角色扮演 |
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我們會提供配合那個高檢署的調查來提供相關的資料高檢署已經開始跟你要資料了嗎目前申辦的過程可能我回去我再了解一下目前都沒有 |
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因為我們看他現在告的是在這是國際的官司他跑到英特爾那你在告台灣的法院你怎麼辦呢要打跨國官司這時候政府其實有角色扮演的政府可以幫忙經濟部應該可以幫忙你覺得經濟部可以幫什麼忙 |
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當然我們現在是高檢署現在用國安法在調查所以經濟部這邊就會協助高檢署來認定說他這項的技術是不是屬於國家核心關鍵的技術是不是那很顯然從媒體的報導來看 |
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郭總理你報告說進第一步的角度它是不是一個它是不是跟國安有關的關鍵技術是不是從媒體的報導來看從你啦 不要一直講媒體啦從你確實兩奈米的技術確實是國家核心關鍵技術對嘛 兩奈米是非常進步的嘛在國際上非常有競爭力而且非常重要它等於現在而且不用忘了這個英特爾是後面 |
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川普在支持的啊看起來的話是有計畫的等於是偷了台灣的技術啊這裡面來講他會不會是美國政府的埋了一顆棋子這裡面有沒有想過這個問題大家好我們這個不敢去預測這個部分 |
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所以你看起來經濟部沒有講說半年沒有講說半年 連半年都沒有配合高檢署來提供資料給高檢署提供什麼資料當然就是我剛剛提到的如果他真的有具體調查出來他拿走了哪些資料這些資料是不是屬於核心關鍵技術我們所定義的那些內容核心的項目這個部分就是要由經濟部來認定 |
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你們怎麼樣認定是不是核心的關鍵技術怎麼樣認定當然我們會有核心關鍵技術我們有公告那公告我們也會有一些項目二奈米在裡面就對了對 二奈米是在裡面好 你請回我們請陸委會的梁副主委好不好梁 梁副主委 |
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胡說也好這兩天炒飯店的有關於陸配的參政權到底要依國際法還是依兩岸人民關係條例這個你從陸委會的立場能不能來跟我們解釋一下我們兩岸人民關係條例有規定陸配取得定居資格之後十年 |
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可以登記參選所以那他登記參選之後譬如說選舉過程的選舉過程要以選罷法來規定當然當然那當選之後要不要這個放棄國籍這些事情是國籍法20條的規定所以我們兩岸條例裡面只有規定登記參選的權利後面沒有規定 |
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這個你要小心喔這個內政部長劉世芳要踩國際法其實是踩到你們的地盤了因為有關於陸配當然是你們管的啊兩岸這個兩岸內關係條例裡面你剛剛已經講清楚了啊他取得身份十年後他可以參政啊登記參選 |
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既然登記參選可以登記參選的當選又有什麼問題呢然後你現在要國際法那國際法的話以兩岸人民關係條例大陸地區就不是就我們不承認啊不承認他的主權啊就問題在這裡啊根據憲法他沒有可以放啊他沒有國籍可以放啊你知道吧就這麼清楚啊所以這裡面來講很嚴重的問題啊內政部踩到你的線啊 |
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陸委會要講話報告委員因為我們的法律也規定其他國家的規劃人也都是10年以後會有登記參選權這個其實跟陸配是一樣的但是大家參選選上了以後選上了以後就可能會有國際法20條的問題就是說對於所有的規劃者 |
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他有雙重國籍的話你要小心喔這個如果你是法輪內政部長的講把這句講完就好了那就是道地的搞台獨囉台獨就明文化了就台面化了這對台灣其實是違心的啦好 謝謝賴委員接下來我們請郭國文委員 |
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主席有請經濟部何政次這一個陸委會梁副主委 速發部林部長速發部部長還沒有來他十點半之後才會到先請何市長 然後梁副主委速發部有誰來現在是任性建設室的市長請牛市長請牛市長 |
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好 三位就教一下三位前一段時間因為非洲豬瘟的問題有面臨一些可能是風險的破口所以卓院長對這個問題要求境外的電商要配合落地否則的話會要求平台下架態度非常的堅決剛好今天是牽扯到三個部會經濟部 陸委會還有包括我們這個速發部 |
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就這個部分當中牽扯到問題過去網的民團當中對於淘寶是否能夠落地的問題牽扯到資金的問題資訊流的問題以及物流的問題現階段我們不得不面對納管的問題的情況底下三個部會要去聯手去處理這個問題我先就教於經濟部 |
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經濟部對外講說有關於淘寶這個問題在台經營電商不會開放然後暗示淘寶還有拼多多不能合法落地態度是不是這樣子可是跟院長有所抵觸跟院長有所抵觸你們難道沒有想要面對問題來讓他落地嗎沒有 我們不會開放不會開放的情況底下也沒有可能用沒有開放然後落地管理的方式出來這形成一個缺口的情況底下 |
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目前是我們還是很明顯的這個抵觸了整個院長的一個對政策的一個宣佈的態度嘛院長要求他落地呢那你們說你們不會開放那現在是要對外是要聽你們的還是聽院長的 |
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是 当然这个是要跨部会来讨论对 就是跨部会所以说现在在跨部会面对修法的时候我就要问你这个问题你要去思考这个问题不是吗是 我们会来讨论对 你们要讨论这个问题要思考这个问题要如何跟业者来衔接那接下来我就叫一下那个抒发部抒发部 |
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部長說 你們部長對外講什麼這些境外的業者如入無人之地他沒有講囂張兩個字而已可是問題是你們面對這些境外業者你們的態度又是怎麼樣要怎麼去面對院長都這麼說了 |
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是 我们会配合陆委会跟经济部一起来研究相关的法规来做相关的那抒发部没有态度吗当然我们还是会遵照就单金流的部分就跟抒发部有相关了金流的部分它如果落地的话要不要跟在台的这个第三支付业者来做合作这就是你们业管的范围你怎么可以要求这两个部会去思考这个问题呢 |
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是 我想這次跨部會一起來合作來研議這個問題是 沒有錯就是要有一個態度出來既然院長這樣講了我們要如何去面對這個納管的問題那個市長你請到旁邊去一下我再請問一下那個梁副梁副 就這個問題那個陸委會對外表示說三大部會共同來研擬相關的法令修法你認為要從哪個法來切入才能可能把這個境外的平台來要求落地 |
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報告委員其實這並不是法律的問題這個是牽涉到兩邊到底對不對等的問題處理電商的部分因為大家知道我們的譬如說我們的PC Home等等它是沒辦法進到中國大陸的甚至網頁還是會封阻的但是我們這邊卻讓淘寶等等 |
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等於算是就是速發部長講的如入無人之境所以這邊兩邊的不平等的狀況之下我們如果再讓它所謂的落地的話那就等於是我們片面的接受了兩邊的不平等待遇 |
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所以現在的問題不是法律的問題是政策的問題好 如果是對等的問題的話現在形式上看起來都不對等因為你沒有承認他他沒有承認我們看起來是形式上不對等但實質上也是不對等 |
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形式上看起來對等但實質上是不對等不對等引申出來的問題就是說它事實上已經如入無人之地了對不對那這種情況下你就沒有納管的問題就沒有辦法納管我應該這麼說我們要如果要追求的是一個對等的條件的話那他們怎麼對我們的電商我們就應該要怎麼對待他們的電商 |
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所以說對等是關鍵對 但是這個部分目前還要討論所以說沒有對等的前提情況底下法律上也沒有辦法進一步的進行 |
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我也跟委員報告過這不是法律的問題好 那至少還有另一個問題不是跟對岸的對等問題我請那個梁副休息一下我請那個市長市長 之前我們有聽到除了境外的業者平台之外還有一個境外的這個平台就有關這個Meta的部分上一次我在質詢的時候我就一再要求這個Meta的部分你們應該要納管 |
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應該類似於這個小寶法的角度我們進行下廣告有消費情況的情況底下後來你們研究了怎麼樣先簡要回答 |
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報委員因為並不是我處理的業務不過基本上我們現在跟Meta針對各方面不管打造或是各方面業務都有深切的交流跟進打造這我知道啦我現在提的問題不是打造的問題啦也是落地納管的問題就是說境外業者要如何納管抒發部要回去好好思考一下好不好是 謝謝委員好 謝謝三位 謝謝好 謝謝郭委員接下來我們請鄭正前委員 |
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謝謝主席我想請一下衛福部莊仁祥次長好 請衛福部莊次長 |
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周委好次長好我想台灣少子化問題還持續非常的嚴重我想說已經連續就是六年生不如死的一個情況然後生育率持續的下滑到農年也沒有辦法止跌這是目前整個台灣的一個狀態然後自然副成長的持續的擴大到今年預計可能會低於13萬人 |
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目前估計是這樣的數字吧是所以預計今年的一個新社人口成長可能會低於13萬人那這數字確實是非常的驚人那也真的造成台灣的一個國安危機 |
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目前台灣每名婦女的生育子女數在全世界大概也是排名倒數第一、第二大概只有每名婦女生育的子女數大概只有1.11這非常非常的低我在想說政府其實要怎麼樣去解決少子化問題也做了很多的一個努力 |
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那我在想說國際上面有很多的研究報告指出最有效的大概三種一種是降低育兒成本那這個部分是最直接有效就跟我們衛福部有關那特別是托育的一個部分那另外一部分就是工作家庭的平衡那這個部分長期來說是有效的包括彈性工時 育嬰假然後由父母共同來分擔等等 |
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第三個部分就是住房的支持對年輕的家庭最有感做法可能還是補貼、設宅還有青年可負擔的租金等等因為今天衛福部這邊的時候我想特別針對第一個部分怎麼樣降低育兒成本這部分因為我們看到了在整個前瞻計畫當中它有一個城鄉建設裡面 |
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除了長照據點之外就是有因應少子化友善育兒空間建設其中建構0到2歲兒童社區公共托育空間計畫分五期辦理總共有59億元 對不對 |
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我在想說這計畫第三期的時候保留到113年度執行數是9億2373餘萬可是到113年度之後只有執行到1億7812萬佔保留數的19.28%不到兩成資訊力其實是偏低的 |
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那麼到第四期計畫當中編列13億8960萬元到113年度只實現了5億1732萬元執行率也只有37.23%都非常非常的低 |
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所以就說一百一十三年全年僅執行了六億九千五百四十四萬元那麼在第五期當中的時候他又編列了四億七千兩百四十四萬元那麼連同前兩期第三期第四期的保留款大概總數大概到16億1700 |
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89萬元那我在想說衛福部有能力去做這樣子的一個執行嗎可不可以請次長回答一下這個部分我們會跟這個地方政府一起來因為它這邊其實是要地方政府一起來找地然後來建這個托育的場所那這個部分我們的確是有一些遇到一些問題所以我們會加緊努力跟地方一起合作 是 |
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這個部分加油因為在整個大新竹地區因為新生兒成長非常的多可是在整個公托的部分或公司托的部分其實都非常的有限那麼現在很積極的在做兩歲專班這個部分兩歲專班這個部分的執行成果也很差就是政府意識到這個問題也撥了預算給你們可是你們執行不出來我覺得這個問題就非常的嚴重 |
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好不好那我在想說我們剛有特別提到就是對於少子化問題的時候就是托育這個問題肯定是最直接最有效的一部分而且也是最讓年輕人有感的部分可是我們政府意識到了錢也撥了可是衛福部執行的情況非常的糟糕 |
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是那這個部分請看怎麼樣去把它落實下來好不好好 謝謝委員那另外一個部分就是跟老人有關的一個部分就這幾年就是失智失蹤的人口成長非常的多十年成長六倍那我在想說失智失蹤的比例這麼高 |
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我們衛福部這邊有沒有一些更積極的做法能夠來解決老人失智失蹤的問題這個部分應該是說如何針對高風險的民眾來做預防比如說三高的防治這些其實都很重要因為目前並沒有一個很好的所謂的篩檢的方法 |
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斯坦我簡單問我們這麼多防走失工具裡面哪一種你覺得最有效有一種是穿戴裝置就是可以如果他戴在身上可以知道說他在哪個地方這個也許是一個我在想說因為現在個人衛星定位我們有這樣子的一個設備也支持了這樣的計劃可是六都三年申請不到1%不到1% |
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政府花了這麼多錢結果成效這麼低我們要怎麼去檢討那麼很多人都認為是因為我們的要求太嚴格就是必須要領有身心障礙證明的第一類失智症者經過評估能夠有獨立外出能力有走私之餘才能夠申請這個部分可是在執行面上面來講完全不符合需求這個部分可不可以檢討一下 |
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好了解我們會回去檢討謝謝謝謝政委員接下來我們請吳佩奕委員謝謝主席我請主計總處副主計長請陳副主計長 |
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委員好 副主席長好今天我們是審查前瞻基礎建設計畫的特別預算然後也有總預算最佳預算的這個案我主要要來詢問的是關於外交部之前被刪除的預算因為前面解凍這個外交部先離開但是因為也跟你們有關所以我還是要來請教 |
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主要是我看到我們最佳預算審查時當時外交部有一筆國際合作計畫那是外交部再給國和會來使用的總共被刪掉了15億這個刪除15億的提案委員是翁曉琳跟黃國昌委員 |
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那這個15億呢被刪掉我個人覺得非常可惜為什麼呢因為我昨天才剛剛從跟我們立法院的江啟臣副院長組了一個我們立法院跨黨派的團我們一起到我們的邦交國巴拉圭來進行訪問 |
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那在當地的訪查呢主要就是來看我們國和會在巴拉圭已經進行了多年的合作的計畫我們去了什麼地方呢第一個我們到他們的醫院我覺得非常的重要因為巴拉圭的醫院是在七年前我們台灣啟動了一個叫做醫療資訊系統計畫也就是HIS |
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就是來幫他們把醫院像我記得我小時候我們去診所看病也是要用手寫抄病歷的所以你在掛號的時候可能要等半天因為醫療醫事人員他們也要去翻資料但是後來我們現在只要給一個健保卡 |
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就這病例都一目了然所以呢醫療的這個數位改革是非常重要對整個醫療現場的效率提升所以台灣在巴拉圭協助這個醫院的資訊系統的導入啊到今年推動已經達到七成了那當地巴拉圭當地醫院的院長跟衛福部部長都告訴我們說這個計畫真的幫助他們很多因為呢過去他們的民眾要在公立醫院要看病的時候都要等很久 |
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那所以一天醫生他可能也許他本來可以診斷的人數是比較多的但是因為效率的問題所以很多民眾可能一天等不到隔天還要再來所以效率提升了很多第二個解決了這個管理的問題因為過去他說他們衛福部在他們各個醫院到底有多少藥品 |
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哇 這個其實常常數字會對不上因為沒有及時的數位建檔但是現在呢因為導入這個數位系統以後所有的藥品有沒有濫用濫發的問題一目了然所以他說對於過去藥品過度濫發的問題也改善了很多 |
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所以當場他們衛福部長也就提出來說他們政府自己也出錢了一部分是我們導入他們政府也增加了預算因為他們的總統新總統47歲很年輕一上任就說這個計畫要大力加強推廣要進行醫療院所的改革所以他們也希望我們在當地的醫療合作計畫可以繼續 |
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那除了這個以外我也去看了他們的牛仔褲工廠這個是也是我們國合會的中小企業的輔導計畫我們導入的也是3D的建模改善了什麼讓他整個製程的過程效率速度都增加許多過去可能跟客戶來回這個打板要修改來回可能就要一兩個月的時間現在因為有3D建模他兩天之內就可以處理好 |
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所以大量的增加他的訂單包括了南美洲市場 美國市場都增加了很多所以當下這個廠長也是一直非常的感謝我們他們覺得這個計畫當然幫助很大然後當天呢我們正好還見證了國和會在當地輔導他們辣椒的農民 |
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把他們的這個過去他說辣椒的生產長期容易受到剝削但是現在我們國會直接協助農民來幫他做成辣椒醬然後幫他做整個品牌行銷輔導計畫讓他可以直接到面對市場這些都幫助很大所以我今天要再次的來拜託我們立法院的同仁也要跟我們社會大眾來說明就是我希望我們未來行政部會真的要加強溝通 |
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像我剛剛提到的這些這個我們國和會在國外外交合作的這些計畫像我們這一團不是我們民進黨的團這是國民黨的委員三位我們民進黨的委員三位是這個民眾黨的委員也一位 |
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代表大家在現場都非常的肯定也都提出說我們未來可以增加更多的合作交流計畫所以我想我們行政部會真的要加強溝通加強說明台灣在國際上面的合作台灣可以幫助台灣 |
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可以來幫助整個國際社會這是我們一直在做默默在做的事那我相信我們立法院各個黨派大家都是很支持的我不希望再度看到明明是這麼有意義這麼好的計畫但是卻在追加預算的時候又被刪掉了15億我覺得非常可惜如果我們預算充足的話就可以進行更多的合作 |
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所以要拜託我們現場所有的部會大家一起來加強來為我們的預算告訴民眾這些都是合理的支出謝謝副主席長 謝謝主席好 謝謝吳委員接下來我們請李彥秀委員是不是可以邀請衛福部莊次長我們請莊次長來 慢慢來 |
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市長,我們今天選前瞻預算的解凍,有關前瞻預算裡面的長照的部件的規劃,我最近又看到一起長照悲歌,我相信你也非常清楚,八十幾歲的老婦人不堪長期照顧兒子,這個長照的悲歌,大家心裡看了都非常的悲痛, |
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那總統也提起說是不是要也有人提出要請總統特赦這個被告那部長也有表態支持我想請問莊次長你的看法跟部長一樣嗎 |
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我們當然是部長的指示我們是遵照你自己個人的看法呢你支持特赦特赦的部分我想這個主要是這個媽媽她沒有受就是她主要在照顧上面的壓力很大對於這個部分我們應該是如何未來當然是如何去幫這樣的人是 市長你講對了 |
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我覺得這整件事情情輕法重當然有特色的正當性國人對於這件事情都感受非常深刻但是站在衛福部的立場長照現在2.0我馬上要推接下來長照3.0我們對於更多長照可以早期的介入預警服務我覺得目前的社安網的狀況你個人滿意嗎 |
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這個部分應該是說有解決大多數人的這個有解決嗎你覺得有解決嗎應該是說還是你看到有一個滿意度達到九成你覺得非常好好棒棒給自己拍拍手當然還有需要精進的地方的確是那你給你自己現在長照的社安網你給自己打幾分 |
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80分有80分了有80分還會有這麼多長照杯葛漏洞你知道你現在有接到的滿意度是有接受長照服務你遲到有更多人沒有辦法接受到長照的服務苦無不知道怎麼辦 |
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这个才是我们现在最大的问题监察院在109年的时候就已经针对现有的置物我们现有的状况预警的功能无法发挥提出要请你们做调整今年11月13号监察院再一次的强调说针对弱势家庭你们没有办法在协助面临沉重的负担跟负担的过程当中从制度面上去解决问题 |
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監察院已經連109年跟今年11月13號都再次去強調我們社安網的問題所以我個人認為部長也好提出說支持特赦我覺得我個人認為是 |
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你們在轉移你們現在社安網有嚴重制度的漏接的問題你們在轉移焦點所以我非常遺憾說你剛才給自己打80分事實上我覺得有更多的家庭需要被照顧 沉重的家庭但是長照2.0顯然還有很多的漏洞社安網還是有很多的漏洞或者現在長照 |
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不夠好用 它不能用所以在經濟上 在照顧上還是沉重的負擔這現在長照的問題絕對不是說你們可以你們現在的制度是好 你有問題你打一通電話打一通電話 然後呢有更多人是因為打了電話沒有辦法解決問題 |
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所以才會有現在正在進行式的許多長照杯葛長照的問題在發生甚至我們不需要預見的長照杯葛有可能會發生所以次長我今天時間不多我要再一次提醒你我們現在長照的基金馬上要步入現在總統講了長照3.0我們生不如死高齡化我都支持我覺得也應該做 |
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但是絕對不是你們只有打一通電話更何況我們現在長照的基金在去年我們還有剩餘好像狀況還不錯但是我現在沒有看到我那個經費你可以看得到接下來幾年我們可能長照的基金經費會越來越少剛好也是佈建我們長照的10年3.0的10年所以 |
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次長我要請教你如果我們長照基金現在是逐年水位在降低經費也越來越少我絕對支持總統所講的長照三年我也覺得該做那未來長照也要跟我們的醫療要接軌我要提醒你的是我們希望健保做得好兩邊有各自的經費的基金的水位是足夠的這我要提醒你如何去確保但是在高齡化社會少子化社會之後 |
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長照需求也越來越高我們沒有經費我們怎麼去處理後續的問題你可不可以回應我這個部分當然我們還會再跟主席總書爭取這個公務員預算的波幅如果基金不夠的話還有另外是爭取其他的一個裁員的部分這個部分是我們需要再你現在長照制度已經兩度被監察院糾正長照的漏洞顯然漏洞我不要說擺出啦還有很多要調整的地方你怎麼去處理 |
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不是通電話喔不是你打電話來喔我現在被所有長照沉重的家庭我要呼籲要怎麼去做處理這個部分我們會再努力我們是不是可以在書面報告再來回覆不好意思 今天時間有限 |
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這時間有限但是我覺得這個問題很多家庭你我以後都有可能碰到我們現在小孩子要養的人很多父母 外公 外婆 爺爺 奶奶我們都不希望我們下一代為長照的負擔很痛苦所以我覺得我們既然在這個位置上我們就有更多的責任把這些問題做更完整的處理以上 謝謝謝謝李委員接下來我們請林月琴委員 |
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主席麻煩那個入委會副主委我們請兩副主委委員好 |
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副主委早安昨天國民黨正式提出修法要修改國籍法第一條將中配排除在規劃者不得有雙重國籍參政的規範之外而且認為中配不需要受國籍法的一個規範而是兩岸人民條例也就是說中配不需要放棄中國國籍一樣可以擔任民意代表 村里長 其他公職請問入委會對這個修法態度是什麼 |
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我們陸委會是根據兩岸人民條例那兩岸人民條例我再跟大家報告一下我們兩岸人民條例有規定 |
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陸配取得定居資格十年後有登記參選的權利那登記參選之後譬如說選舉過程他當然就是要依照我們的選罷法那選上了以後他可不可以仍然保持這個因為他顯然還是有中華人民共和國的國籍 |
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這個部分我們是尊重內政部的解釋內政部是認為說國際法第20條所謂的外國籍就是指的是中華民國以外的國籍不管是哪一國或是哪一個政治實體都一樣這樣子所以如果說在野黨要提出這樣的修法的話它等於是說把 |
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把問題丟回到兩岸人民條例但是兩岸條例我剛已經強調我們只有規定登記參選可以登記參選所以這個部分 |
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他未來還是會有爭議我覺得我支持參政權可是前提是要效忠中華民國而國際法的立法精神也非常清楚擔任公職者應僅對中華民國負政治忠誠這不是針對中國是所有的國家都一視同仁可是如果他們提案過了是不是只有中配不需要受到這個限制這樣對其他國家公平嗎 |
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站在政府的立場應該是希望法律是一體適用那國際法20條的核心它其實是單一忠誠要求公職人員只能夠對單一的政府效忠 |
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所以才會有必須要放棄雙重國籍的規定所以我們都心知肚明無所不用其極的要威脅我們甚至跨境管轄通緝我國國民立法委員還洋洋灑灑的列出很多台獨分子對台灣安全造成威脅 滲透 打壓 罔攻 軍事壓力的 |
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那我想副主委你是入委會的高階官員我相信你很清楚是哪一個國家所以如果我們開放中國國籍配偶也能參政的話那不就是把國家大門的鑰匙親手交給中共的手上嗎所以問題不是中配的因為我特別強調這不是中配的錯問題是中共我相信很多中配在台弱地深耕成家立業真心希望自己的孩子在 |
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自由民主社会成长有将近40万名的中配都是台湾的一份子所以最后要来问三个就是我要特别提醒陆委会不能让政治利益牺牲国家安全的底线所以副主委是不是可以请明确的回答如果国民党的修法通过中配不需要放弃中国国籍就能参政国安情报行政制度是不是能够保障安全 |
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這個到時候我們認為會有問題因為因為譬如說根據中共國家安全法的規定任何中國人民他都有義務要配合情報攤位的要求也就是說他的政府中共的政府他可以要求任何有中國中華人民共和國國籍的人提供情報那如果說 |
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他同時又擔任我們台灣的立法委員或是他進入到外交國防委員會那他就必須有這個法律上在中共的法律上他就有義務要提供他所接觸到的因為時間關係我再問一個政治跟國安風險評估有政府有做過嗎 |
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是否可能會被統戰組織所影響而且也可能利用滲透的地方政治然後造成我們行政監督很難以監督這個政府當然有做過評估而且也這些問題我們都可以看得到 對 |
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所以面對藍白的麻煩提案我認為陸委會要扛起責任來對可能造成的骨牌效應要做評估跟預防中配參政不是問題問題是它背後的中共如何預防如何讓不同族群的參政權是公平的以上 謝謝謝謝林委員接下來我們請黃珊珊委員 |
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謝謝主席 我請經濟部次長來 請何次長好 委員好是 次長早我想經濟部去年曾經發布了112年全國電力資源的供需報告未來電力需求年平均是成長率是2.8但是今年9月又發布了113年的電力資源供需報告 |
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指出因為AI人工智慧跟雲端資料服務的需求攀升然後我們的10年的電力需求度年度成長率變成1.7%從2.8%到1.7%這是什麼狀況是經濟部失準還是對於電力的需求評估有問題從2.8%年增長率2.8%到年增長率1.7%這差很多啊怎麼回事 |
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報委員 我們其實是按照實際的需求所以顯然我們對於電力的評估從原來達到3641億度電修正成3286億度電整整少了每年150億度電也就是兩座和三廠是因為我們自己的電力供你不足嗎 |
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包委員應該不是電力供給不足需求不夠產業發展有問題但是我們不是在講AI人工智慧跟雲端服務資料需求攀升嗎因為其實我們除了我看不懂我們一直在推節能然後當然節能很厲害所以我們需求大幅減少然後我們發電量也減少所以沒關係我們也在推動就是說讓這個Exco產業來幫忙市長 |
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發一個電廠做一個電廠要多久時間做一個電廠要多久時間平均起來不管是哪一種電廠四接現在環評通過告訴我要7年你們如果要增加相關的電廠的話平均一個電廠電網你們電廠興建計畫大概都要5到10年所以你現在的電力供給是沒有問題的嗎 |
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鮑威 我們電力供給到2032年是沒有問題但是如果照這個增長速率你們現在是把需求降下來然後把節能跟我們的產業發展表示說我們未來其實電力需求增長率沒有像原來預估的這麼高是因為我們不會再做AI人工智慧也不會再做雲端資料服務了嗎 |
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跟委員報告這些因素我們其實都考慮進來我們每年也都會做滾動檢討我要說的是經濟部對於我們國內產業的發展還有我們自己電力的評估現在目前為止看起來是自相矛盾的 |
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第二個曾文琛說萬一如果我們的電力突然間天然氣斷供所有的科學園區都有所謂的發電設備目前為止假設天然氣斷供了你們可以撐多久 |
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跟國務委員報告其實我們你只要簡短的回答我現在斷供了你們可以撐科學園區可以撐多久這個可能涉及到不知道一些機密啦好 現在整體容積目前裝置容量如果假設園區裡面加起來總共的鄭文聖的說法是大概1GW那 |
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也就是說我們園區自己就可以發電大概一個核酸基礎的電量是嗎還是你都是國家機密你在這邊回答回答我完整的事實好嗎 |
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這是曾文森說的 不是我說的還是經濟部不知道這個部分因為台電他們是一個供電的單位所以他們會對所有我問的是你經濟部對於我們的產業掌握有多少我關台電什麼事這是台電說的 所以我問你次長 |
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是 因為台電它會就它目前的產業用電的實際的狀況他們會去做台電是執行單位 它是營業單位你現在是經濟部次長你要說的是對於我們國家園區 科技園區我們自己在天然氣停工的時候我們能不能掌握我們自己能夠活多久 |
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當然我們是有把握就是說你不會有問題在這個狀況的情況之下供電的部分是沒有問題供電沒有問題所以你現在要再說一次就算天然氣斷供我們的科學園區也沒有問題我們有一些應變的方法好經濟部長說我們在12月會做核二核三的重啟評估現在已經11月底了12月確定會提出相關的 |
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初步結果嗎跟委員報告目前台電已經將他們現況評估的報告送經濟部經濟部現在也正在審查當中後續我們如果經濟部核定的話台電會再提出一個再運轉的計畫跟自主檢查的計畫也就是說12月底會有這樣的東西你們12月底經濟部就會做出決定嗎我們希望能夠盡快來回覆給台電 |
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就算核二核三要研議你們預估假設通過了他恢復運轉要多久假設不知道可能要就實際的狀況因為他要三年到五年還要再做還要做一些提供書面報告給黃委員我們希望12月底以前能夠看到這個結果好嗎好我們來努力謝謝黃委員接下來我們請張志仁委員 |
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好 謝謝主席 各位委員 各位官員大家早安有請財政部 謝次長財政部還在嗎財政部已經先回去因為解凍案已經結束了財政部回去了我們現在討論事項的我們只留經濟部 衛福部 抒發部還有陸委會 |
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還有主席總書副主席長還在主席不好意思因為我們辦公室不太清楚這樣的狀況你有有 因為其實剛剛我有宣告過了報告事項解凍而且沒有討論事項解凍案的機關首長可以先行離席剛剛大會也通過了 |
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所以接下來我們留下來的部會是屬於討論事項的機關人員所以我剛才說過了是現在還在場的是經濟部衛福部 抒發部還有陸委會還有這個主席部在嗎有 副主席長還在好 謝謝 請副主席長好 請副主席長 |
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委員好辛苦副主席長有你來單挑大糧我請教副主席長行政院就是有關於最近財化法大張旗鼓宣誓裁員可是沒有拿出各縣市的試算分配表讓人家懷疑是不是想要把餅做大來掩飾不公平分配的煙霧彈 |
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那我想請教一下就是說行政院內部是不是已經有做出這個精密的裁員分配試算請問一下就你知道現在到底有沒有讓可以國會監督跟地方首長前列要求的各縣市分配試算表請問有這個東西嗎 |
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跟我們報告就是說財化法當然主要是財政部來負責那我們所了解的就是說財政部長大概近期有說到就是說相關他們那個試算現在還沒有試算出來 |
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那你能接受他的說法嗎就你主計處的看法他有提出政院的版本也要送到立法院來可是現在財政部說他沒有這個各縣市分配市算表就主計處的看法您覺得他的說法您認同嗎基本上因為我們就是說因為主計處您的職責在這個財化法的部分您認為您的職責是什麼 |
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我們主計總署主要是搭配統籌分配稅那一塊對應的一般性補助款跟計劃型補助款那這次財政部之所以就是說這個數字還不能算出來主要還是涉及到因為我們這個市權的劃分還必須跟地方政府來尋找一個共識 |
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了解 好 謝謝你的回應那您會不會覺得說如果這個各縣市分配市算表還沒有辦法算出來錢那這樣子行政院的這個財化法的草案這個我們要如何來去做監督 |
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跟文報其實主要我們還是就是說在這個3月21號這個版本出來的時候我們有聽到地方政府的聲音他們可能希望就是說有一些對應的一般性補助款或計劃型補助款等等有一些希望能夠跟 |
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以往舊制的大概是同樣的類型所以我們目前院版的裁劃法也是呼應地方政府這樣的一個希望所以模式是比較比照原來的這個方式來處理 |
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好 謝謝副組長的回覆好 謝謝委員等一下 稍等一下沒有辦法走我想要請教因為你剛剛有講到一般性統籌分配稅款的部分因為本席來自新北市新北市有全台灣最多人數的404萬人承重最繁重的公共建設跟社會福利支出 |
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我想要請教就你而言現在行政院的財化法的版本是不是新北市人均能分配到的統籌分配稅款是不是還是六度最低 |
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因為基本上因為那個試算表還沒有出來我們並不了解但是我們對於財政部它這一次的主要的架構它還是考慮到就是各縣市的貢獻就是說除了人口跟面積我們也會考量到如果有污染的行業 |
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或者是說他有一些就是說一些努力的一些稅務的一些誘因等等就是各種努力我們都會來考慮好 我拜託副組織長這邊未來幫我跟財政部在溝通的時候幫我們來講一下就是行政院現在的草案版本將人口指標調整非常的嚴重尤其剛剛我們講新北市的人數他把人數的比重從45%降到18% |
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所以为什么我会请教副主席长这个问题新北市很明显它未来的人均的统筹分配税款能分到地方的每一个人的手上的钱就是因为行政院的草案把人口指标从45%大幅调降到18%所以这样子新北市的分配金额会大幅的缩小副主席长我这样讲对吗 |
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基本上就是說因為水平的分配要考慮的指標比較多所以財政部已經有六次的會議跟地方政府來尋求共識當然每一個縣市基於他們自己對於他有利的指標當然都有在爭取這是我們所了解的 |
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好 就是還是要拜託因為新北市404萬人如果把人數的指標比重下降非常多對新北市影響非常大最後我要想請教就行政院的版本它把一般性補助款的部分把金額給下降把它改到計劃性補助款我想要請教行政院草案的版本把一般性補助款的金額大幅的下降加到計劃性補助款 |
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這對未來我們地方政府在使用我們的財化法的預算的時候會造成什麼樣的影響 |
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委員講的是我們現在院版的一般性補助款把金額把它大幅的把它加到計畫性補助款一般性補助款調降然後計畫性補助款把它升高會造成地方政府在使用最後一個問題時間有限如果要討論這個就把行政院的院版送進來就可以討論了 |
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沒有 他現在有總額把一般性補助款的金額從2501億下降成1420億把金額加到計畫性補助款這樣地方在申請經費的時候會不會造成影響這個一般性補助款的下降主要還是說因為他基本財政收支差短的部分是由統籌分配所以這邊優先來彌補所以並不是下降而是說他的 |
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一般性補助款下降再把財政部的院版資料送給我們張委員意思就是未來我跟副組長報告未來就是地方政府都要看中央的臉色因為計劃性補助款是核定制的跟副組長報告原因就是這個我們要尊重地方自治 謝謝謝謝張委員接下來我們請賴會員委員 |
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謝謝主席 有請速發部陸委會速發部林部長 陸委會梁副主委 |
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兩位早安蘇花部部長在7月初丹納斯颱風重創整個台南跟嘉義其實在這一個颱風裡頭我們很明確的看到了就是 |
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整體變成是一個通訊的孤島因為手機打不出去沒有電行動網路也癱瘓了這個信息也斷了救災人員沒有辦法及時的一個聯繫 |
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在这个过程里头因为电话一直都打不通电话一直都打不通所以我在这个过程里头去协调了三大电信业者就是紧急的调派其实这个三十多台并没有这个是在大概在第十天以后这个数量才增加我相信部长你会非常非常的一个清楚那如果今天就是说 |
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氣候的異常在未來會有大面積的這種停電那我們是不是有思考到另外一種風災數位韌性的一個方案布里頭有沒有做這樣的一個準備 |
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是委員說的沒錯在最近因為那個風災的次數變多而且那個風災也是變得更嚴重那我們事後檢討就是說當第一個就是說這個事情真的很嚴重我們不單單是當地民眾沒辦法聯網甚至於我們的指揮體系像譬如說台南市政府他要去救災的時候他們本身的訊號都不通會造成很大的問題 |
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然后我们检讨以后发现说其实为什么4G或5G的信号不通基本上有三个原因第一个是基地台本身倒了第二个是基地台没有电第三个是基地台的部长我知道你就针对着这个通信任线不足那你未来你要怎么做对 |
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那所以呢我們發現說那你跟NCC要怎麼樣的一個分工我們發現說其實那個比例最高的是那個沒有電那就是電線斷掉可是這個事情最好解決因為我們只要有移動式的柴油發電機就可以解決這個問題所以我們在事後最近我們第一個就是說我們會政府我們數發部會補助就是讓三大電信公司他去設立 |
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就是购买更多的行动式的柴油发电机到时候如果再发生这个状况他们谁是可以用还有他们很有钱你所有硬体的一个分配在这个前瞻第五期里头这个123亿9千万这个数位建设可是谁来统筹 |
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這個分配分配在每一個地方那我們從703億裡頭我們發現就是說數位建設不等於就是樹花部的預算你剛才講到的就是這種數位建設都是非常小非常小那我只是問你一個重點你跟NCC誰來統籌是你聽NCC的還是NCC聽你的那怎麼跨部會來合作呢誰來統籌 |
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報告委員 基本上NC跟我們互有職長不過基本上是相互合作是那有關監理的部分大概是NC的部分有關於所謂的強化任性跟補助的部分大概是速發部的部分所以剛才您委員提到那幾個經營作為像剛才那個所謂的這個衛星的行動車我們大概這次會藉由潛在預算會補助的9輛的衛星行動車同時會協助業者來改裝31台的衛星行動車讓它有衛星行動車的架子 |
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那另外我們再移動沒有錯好那在最後端最後端我其實本席就是要跟你談到PPDR有沒有這樣的一個計畫台灣要建立一個PPDR包委員目前為止內政部為了加速這個通訊指揮的這個系統在114年到117年將會配置81台的通訊指揮車 |
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你不要一直跟我講通信指揮車嘛我已經跟你講了涵蓋面是這麼大的如果你的通信指揮車可以解決這麼多的一個問題的話我們這一次就不會這麼慘啦你如果是大面積的話那如果就是說塑化部你會同NCC相關單位你應該要參考國外建立一個台灣獨立的一個PPDR這個 |
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你們非常清楚這個專用的頻率一按就通專用的網路可以獨立的供電其實如果在當今2025年的台灣在我們科技網頁這麼先進的一個發展如果你都沒有辦法就是沒有辦法講到PPDR的話我覺得這個是一個救災最基礎的一個準備我跟你說 部長 |
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提計畫出來把這個PVDR你納進去如果連這個都沒有辦法做的話那我覺得其實是很遺憾的喔不及格喔我們只要能解決問題我們所有的方法我們都會試好 謝謝我請梁文傑副主委國民黨最近要修改國際法其實其中最關鍵的第一條的解釋它就是說希望把大陸不是外國寫到法治裡面 |
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那中國籍的人士在我國參政也不受國際法的一個限制那這等於是為中國人開了一扇參政的後門這個是嚴重的那個影響到國安的底線你簡單的講一下那個我們陸委會的態度是怎樣好 欣賢要回答我們陸委會的態度是國際法的第20條它的規定就是效忠單一只能效忠單一的政府 |
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那這個陸配他雖然取得了台灣的身份但他實際上還是有中華人民共和國國籍所以按照中華人民共和國的法律他可以要求他提供情報和線索和證據根據他的國家安全法和反間諜法等等所以一個 |
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一個同時擁有中華民國國籍和中華人民共和國籍的人士他會面臨到法律義務上的衝突是 那萬一衝突了這個衝突了以後怎麼辦呢他是不是還是我們的公子呢 |
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所以從保護的角度我們是不希望說任何人有面臨這樣衝突的情境所以當初內政部在解釋國際法第20條的時候才會解釋說所有人都必須不管你來自哪一個國家或地區你都必須要放棄雙重國籍 |
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是 我想那個陸委會你要加強保護這些人國民黨是不是最聰明的其實他是在為統戰開後門所以國民黨大修國計畫我們顯然看得非常清楚就是在為統戰開後門好 謝謝 謝謝主席好 謝謝 謝謝賴委員接下來我們請葉元智委員 |
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主席好 麻煩請經濟部請何市長好 文英好市長好 跟您請教一下因為有一些中小企業的人在傳說經濟部好像現在對外私下都已經講說好像關稅的結果在這個禮拜大概就會出來了是這樣嗎 |
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跟委員報告因為現在已經進入到總結會議我想應該會很快但是時間點我還沒辦法了解好像有在講說最快這個禮拜就會出來了大家很關心因為之前都說是暫時性關稅但暫時了三四個月很少暫時這麼久的 |
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所以如果這個禮拜就出來的話也是個好事啦就不要讓大家一個心懸在那邊啦但是在這個台美關稅談判的時候忽然發生了台積電資深的副總羅維仁竊取台積電機密這個事件那因為羅維仁他是去英特爾美國政府他是擁有英特爾10%的股份我覺得 我覺得想說次長你們有沒有去 |
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討論一下因為這個事情對台灣半導體一定是有傷因為它是二奈米應該是非常非常先進的製程沒錯吧應該也不是成熟製程所以如果然後川普現在都一直在講說是台灣偷走了他們的晶片他的心態是覺得好像台灣偷走了他的晶片會不會覺得說這個羅為人的事件沒什麼 |
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我是有看到有分析師比較樂觀的評估是講說說不定挪威人會被英特爾切割啦因為畢竟你偷另外一個公司的營業秘密到別的公司去這是不道德的事情嘛所以到時候英特爾會被切割說好那我就不用他這是有的分析是樂觀評估但我覺得像川普以川普他覺得晶片本來就是他們的那種心態 |
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他不會覺得 我認為他不會覺得怎麼樣我覺得這個部分政府應該要採一個比較嚴正的態度去跟美國交涉吧我說經濟部你們有做這樣的反應嗎 |
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我想這個案子因為已經涉及到國安法所以整個高檢署已經進行調查了那經濟部這邊也會配合提供資料給這個高檢署就這個是不是屬於國家核心關鍵技術的部分經濟部會來做認定所以這個部分我想我們跟這個高檢署這邊是目前是做這個高檢署在調查那個是司法的部分嘛 |
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對 我現在講的是說你到司法 你即便是起訴他你判他刑 那人已經去美國啦東西也帶到美國啦那他最後的判刑跟我們台積電半導體的秘密洩漏已經於事無補啦你只是對他個人的處罰而已啊但對產業傷害已經造成了那現在要針對的是說我們現在是對產業傷害怎麼樣讓它降到最低 |
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最好就是有如那個分析師所講的嘛美國也覺得這是不OK的然後也覺得說不能夠隨便用辦那個台積電的秘密嘛然後給Intel嘛因為美國政府自己也是Intel的股東啊所以我講的是這一塊那這一塊政府的態度是什麼有沒有站在台灣的角度去處理嘛市長有嗎 |
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當然我們是站在台灣的角度來處理你要跟美國政府講啊我們當然也會去衡量就是說它的這個洩漏的技術會不會對產業造成影響那當然現在目前那如果有造成影響呢當然你現在就要把狀況想到最糟嘛假設現在就是有造成影響 |
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然後這個資料已經到Intel了Intel取得這個資料之後呢會對台灣的產業造成很大傷害那美國政府又是Intel的股東那難道我們不能跟美國政府講說這個事情不能你如果這樣允許的話整個產業秩序會亂掉喔大家就隨便偷人家營業秘密就好啦 |
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這個要嚴正交涉啦經濟部到底有沒有站在我們的產業不是碰到美國然後就軟掉啦到底有沒有去跟美國提到這件事情跟委員報告因為目前都還在調查當中到底他吸走了哪些資料那這些資料是不是對台積電或對整個產業會造成影響沒有部長 次長你的態度就是說等調查出來再講我現在態度是認為說等到你現在要想到最糟狀況如果真的有真的他帶走的資料是很機密的 |
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那你現在就要因應啊不是等到調查結果出來才因應啊那我問你啊如果說你調查要好幾個禮拜資料就已經洩漏出去了然後美國政府也不覺得怎麼樣那你怎麼辦你就任由這個事情發生嗎你沒有任何作為耶我想應該不會讓你說的喔你說不會喔那如果到時候真的怎麼樣的話 |
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你負責嗎是 因為我想台美之間有很多的這些產業合作那這個未來是不是會對整個產業會造成這個影響影響程度多大我想會透過整個司法調查的結果趁現在關稅的事情趕快把這個事情拿去拿去講啦 去談啦不要那麼不當一回事啦 謝謝謝偉謝謝葉委員接下來我們請林世民召委 |
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好 謝謝主席請速發部好 請速發部林部長今天是 部長過來了部長已經到了部長請 |
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委員好部長新竹縣是台灣的高科技產業的重鎮有半導體還有各種電子的研發在這園區裡面尤其5G網路對我們智慧製造無人載具 物聯網應用都屬於關鍵基礎 |
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我想在這次的前瞻計畫裡面編列了26億9851萬5千元的5G基礎公共建設來加速這類戰略地區的5G佈建但必須確保資源的分配公平 品質過關 |
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讓包括我們新竹科技園區在內的各個區域都受惠我們看到審計部先前有指出部分受補助的5G基地台未使用國產設備無法達到扶植本土5G產業的一個目的 |
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且完工後的網路下行速率未達規範服務品質低落導致5G用戶使用率偏低所以我在這邊要請問部長我們在5G基地的部件上面如何確保我們新竹科學園區等高科技園區獲得足夠資源的部件的一個布設來布設高速低遲延的5G網路 |
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首先如果說通訊品質的部分我們現在已經都依照我們補助計畫我們都有請通常會去做現場的驗證所以通訊品質應該都已經達到我們之前要求的標準是不是請我們任性司司長補充說明好 司長說一下 |
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所以剛剛委員提到幾件事第一個就是剛剛部長跟委員報告就是有關於品質的部分因為所有機台在設置的過程中都必須要經過審驗那同時在五年換照的時候也還需要再審驗所以審驗的時候一定要符合紀錄規範那這通常會都有嚴格把關所以請委員放心那第二個就是您剛剛提到國產設備的部分的話目前為止有關113年的部分的話專網的這個前端預認當中 |
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在垂直場域的話有到達64.29%使用國產設備非垂直場域的話大概使用比例到40%至於委員垂尋有關於科學園區未來要怎麼樣去再強化它的部分的話 |
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事實上我們前陣子有跟科學園區跟業者做個座談會在去年的時候有個座談會如果他們有任何需要做頻寬上的協助的話他們有兩個方向第一個方向是由公眾電信網路就是參加電信業者合作他們來提供他們寬頻第二個部分他們也可以自己建置所謂的5G專頻專網的部分樹花部也是 |
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會盡力的協助業者 以上報告我想你們有在重視但是我們根據那個審計部的一個指出他說部分補助基地台的下行樹立會達500Mbps的規範所以我是認為在科技產業聚集的新竹地區 |
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任何的網路部達標都會影響到它這個整個研發與生產的一個應用所以速發部你剛才提到很多的一個方式去確保這個完工查核與品質監控但是我們看到你的你剛才提到113年度的你們的一個改善報告提到說你剛才講的那個 |
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於飛馳垂直區域的5G基地台的類別採用國產微型成功低功率的基地台建置率平均超過40%的門檻而在垂直場域或重要產業發展區的5G網路建設類別共申請了14件完工補助案其中9案採用國產5G設備佔補助總額數的64.29% |
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7496.022 |
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截至目前政府已輔助電信業者建置5G基地台域15000座全國5G基地台總數突破48000座5G用戶在近一年內從850萬增到1091萬戶成長約28%所以我要再請教 |
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針對國產5G設備的導入政府採取了補助係數等誘因去年產業專案中已達六成以上的補助案使用國產設備未來是否會進一步提高國產設備的一個比重的目標是 跟委員報告我們的確非常重視這件事情我們一直在督促台灣的國產設備廠商盡量做他們現在只能做微型的基地台中大型他們都還沒有能力做 |
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然後我們就希望說他們利用這個在微型基地台他取得市場的動能以後賺到更多的錢開始往中大型基地台去研發因為我們現在不是不願意補助而是台灣的國產設備就是沒有中大型的所以我們一直在催他們要加油我接下來請問部長當然我是希望你們要去加強這個比重 |
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我們看到新竹有許多高科技公司具備這些通訊研發的能力是否有機會結合我們在地新竹的廠商共同提高5G網路設備的國產化比例同時帶動地方產業鏈的一個發展在新竹地區你們有沒有去跟他們來接觸好 請簡耀回答我們會往這方面努力非常謝謝委員的指導好 謝謝好 謝謝林思敏委員接下來我們請黃秀芳委員 |
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7602.539 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
謝謝主席 我們請衛福部的次長我們請莊次長 |
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7618.084 |
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委員好市長好市長我今天想要請教就是說我們政府一直在講說醫療人力不足或者是目前這個腹外內疾診然後神經科的醫師人力不足的這個問題 |
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7657.254 |
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那為了解決這個人力荒還有這個資安的問題那我們看到這個馬街醫院他以生成式的AI的方式那強調AI輔助醫師寫病歷幫病患翻譯把時間還給人那我想請教因為這個後續也許會衍生一些資安的問題那目前是馬街醫院他們自己做那未來有沒有可能就是說擴及到其他的醫院 |
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7658.035 |
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接下來我們看到就是說目前內科 外科 副科然後兒科 |
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| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
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急診或者是神經內外科的醫師人力荒可不可以透過這樣的一個以AI來輔助醫師來寫病歷或者是用AI的方式來幫病患來翻譯除了說醫院目前醫院自己做那是不是有可能擴及到其他全台灣的醫院 |
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7713.079 |
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目前我知道是有一些廠商有在做它其實是需要用到醫院自己因為它伺服器應該要用在它自己的醫院裡面就是要避免這些個資的一些洩漏或這些問題所以它事實上應該是會有一些商機等於是廠商目前也在積極在布建這件事情 |
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那Web部做的是說是不是可以讓這個他們常生成的一些AI的這個可以去驗證那可以通過這個食藥署這邊然後甚至這個健保署這邊可以擠布等等這些其實都是我們Web部的一些作用 |
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其實我覺得說解決人力我覺得這個也是其中的一項是所以除了醫院他們自己找之外其實我會覺得說未來有可能會衍生到一個治安的問題是所以也許是不是衛福部針對這部分應該要去好好去思考一下好我們待會去研議對除了個別醫院自己做那未來是不是有可能衛福部這邊也來協助所有的醫院來解決人力的這個問題是可以嗎是 |
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那接下來我再請教這個次長就是說我在最近我發現就是我們各社區每個社區幾乎現在是幾乎每一個社區都有這個關懷據點或者長昭溪據點而且佈建得還蠻密集的以彰化來講幾乎每個社區都有那其實很多長輩他會希望 |
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未來能夠有機會進到這個西據點或者是關懷據點那礙於這個空間的問題有的這個社區它真的空間很小可能只能容納二三十個人那其他的長輩想要進來就是排隊所以我在這邊是不是也請這個衛福部既然我們一直在推這個長照那未來這個長照3.0是 |
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比較著重在機構的住民未來是不是也針對我們的關懷據點或長照溪據點空間不足的部分因為現在也少子化有些學校有比較多的閒置空間是不是可以中央跟地方一起合作來盤點學校閒置空間轉為我們的據點是不是有可能這樣做因為 |
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確實很多長輩他就想要進去那因為空間有限所以就沒辦法那你服務的還是服務一少部分的人沒辦法廣泛的服務到比較多的這個民眾那是不是針對這部分是不是可以請次長也要好好去思考 |
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那你們未來有什麼樣的因應方式嗎謝謝委員的意見那這個部分就是怎麼跟這個地方政府一起協力因為那個場地的部分可能還是要跟地方政府一起來解決我們會一起努力那把委員這個構想我們會再繼續把它做大 |
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我們希望就是說這個長輩想要出來願意走出來其實就很不容易了所以可以有一個比較好的一個空間給他們那現在是想要進來都沒辦法進來所以我希望這個中央跟地方應該可以一起合作那讓閒置空間整理完之後讓長輩可以進來我覺得這個是一個很好的一個方式啦另外就是說剛剛在未還委員會也有特別提到就是有關蘇丹紅 |
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這個稽查到化妝品或者是一些產品有這個含有蘇丹紅那我們看到這個食藥署這邊都是後市場的這個集合其實源頭的管理我覺得更是重要源頭的管理更是重要你到後面需要更多的人力那我覺得這個都已經到市場都已經賣到市場去了那這個蘇丹紅它的源頭是怎麼來的你們要去應該是源頭的集合 |
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比後面後市場的集合還重要是不是可以請市長針對這部分你們後續還要再努力這個部分可不可以請那個那個簡要回答或是書面報告再給委員是跟委員簡單報告那因為 |
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化妝品的管理 全世界各國都是採取產品的管理所以多半都是透過上市後的市售產品的積查來做相關管制我們也會公佈相關的淨現用成分讓業者要去做自主管理 輔以GMP的部分至於源頭部分 這個部分我們會跟官務署合作去加強 好 謝謝謝謝黃委員接下來我們請李坤澤委員 |
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謝謝昭偉 請一下蘇華部林部長請林部長 |
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委員長部長好台灣的資安的風險主要是分成三大類型不管是國家的層面民間的業者或者是AI等新興科技的相關的威脅國家層面當然就包含組織性的這種APT的攻擊或者是這種關鍵基礎設施的攻擊 |
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民間業者不管是供應鏈的這種供給或者是滲透或者是釣魚郵件社交工程相關的滲透或供給AI等新興科技威脅這又是一種新的資安的風險不管是利用AI來自動生成惡意的程式或者是深度的偽造或者是它惡意的控制公共的AI系統這都是很嚴重的問題我們看到我們台灣的這些 |
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近三個月政府機關的相關治安聯防的情治案件其實都非常的多都高達五萬件以上那主要的供給類型主要是藉由釣魚油件社交工程或者是系統試探的這種 |
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資料收集的類型或者是利用竊取資料或者是權限進行攻擊的入侵式攻擊還有針對系統來進行入侵的這種嘗試那相關的針對政府部門這種公安部門的部分你有什麼要做補充說明的 |
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OK 跟委員報告關於資安的防護基本上就是駭客在不斷的在尋找新的漏洞然後那個每隔一段時間駭客就會找到一個重大某個重大系統的一個重大漏洞我們把這個漏洞叫Zero Day Vulnerability就是新發現的危險那我們所謂的聯防最重要就趕快通知所有的政府機關說有一個新發現的漏洞你趕快把它堵住所以我們現在預算很多都是在做所謂的資安聯防資安聯防就是這個意思 |
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部長我看我們年度的資安的事件它總量一直在增加那公安部門的資安意識應該是要加強我看我們的這些有一些資安風險的具體的案例就是說部分政府機關的設備控制頁面它沒有設置存取的一個權限而且是暴露在網際網路也沒有去變更 |
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这种预设的登录密码他也没有去变更还有针对公务部门针对公务部门发送陈情的信件信件当中就会附带那一种伪冒的PDF档的捷径档 |
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這就對公部門的系統植入這種惡意的程式那最主要是密碼設定使用鍵盤排序那符合雖然是符合這種密碼的複雜性但是它是很容易遭到破解那這個部分我看 |
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主要是公務員的資安意識不足是沒錯那針對公部門的資安意識不足的加強有沒有具體的措施等一下請部長來說明另外針對公部門當中不同的這種人員之間的數位落差他的禁用落差其實蠻大的有沒有進一步的改善措施來說明一下 |
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OK首先在於自然意識上面這個其實剛剛委員提到那幾譬如說用鍵盤排序的那個密碼等等這都是已經知道的這個事情那我們很重要就是一方面加強教育一方面由我們自然署會進行集合我們自然署就是每年會對一些那個公務部門就是有抽查定期去做集合看他們有沒有確實執行這些事情這些 |
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坦白講 這個並不是什麼高科技有的就是人員的問題譬如說你的密碼就設得很糟糕我們當然另外一方面也會增加我們一些譬如說檢核機制譬如說我們如果是像委員所講的照鍵盤來排列密碼我們以後都會想辦法自動檢查部長 我還有更具體的建議是 |
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針對高機敏性或是需要較高防護的這些等級的設施的這些設備要建立這種密碼的黑名單的機制密碼的黑名單機制就是說排除常見的這種鍵盤的序列或者是可預測的這些字串 |
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例如說QWER等鍵盤連續的字母這種密碼的黑名單我們要建立而且要導入多音質的這種驗證的機制例如像授權卡 授權碼 |
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或者是生物辨識等等的這種多重的這種辨識驗證以來強化這種身分的識別的安全性那更重要我認為是應該落實設備變更驗證及定期的集合那要求不可以使用預設密碼或是常用密碼來最後簡短的說明是非常謝謝委員的指導的確這個都是我們現在努力的目標我們都會往這個方向努力謝謝委員 |
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谢谢李委员接下来我们请陈廷飞委员 |
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謝謝主席我們是不是請交通部還有內政部 經濟部 農業部 國科會陳委員不好意思因為他們的解凍案是報告案解凍之後他們就先回去了留在場是經濟部 衛福部 速發部 陸委會好 |
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那我們經濟部好經濟部我想問一下我們的這個次長我們現在在台南其實在前瞻基礎建設還有特別預算說真的我們有在我們水利的部分其實是重要的然後在這個水利的部分尤其在省道橋樑的改建還有我們相關的部分我想問其他經濟部就是說到底我們 |
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所推動的包括流措排水系統安定排水系統新田寮排水系統將軍溪排水系統後鎮田寮排水系統崗位 |
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這麼多排水系統其實是我們現在非常重要的命脈那這個命脈當中請問我們要怎麼加速去完成 |
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跟委員報告其實我們會跟台南市政府這邊一起來合作來把這些派出系統按照我們的預算的這個編列還有一些先後順序我們會來做一些這個優先順序的一個來執行這些系統的一個改善工程那現在我們前瞻預算的第五期然後再加上我們一些追加你覺得這夠嗎 |
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跟委員報告現在如果有一些預算可能我們會納入到未來縣市管河川的四年一千億的計畫裡面我們來做考量那如果說在整個計畫當中你要怎麼銜接從前瞻到特別預算再到我們的這一個一千億的部分我們要怎麼銜接 |
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我想這個部分我們水利署會跟台南市政府這邊來做討論我想這些銜接預算的銜接應該不會有太大的問題有問題因為你必須一起一起等你一起一起等之後像我剛剛所提到的這麼多的一個排水系統這些都要串聯 |
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這些串聯並不是你今天說我今天做哪裡然後明天做哪裡它的串聯性我們到底有沒有辦法像我都跟台南市政府說你們一定要先找出那個只差一點點就可以把整個排水系統整個功能性往上提升然後讓它感覺有感的而不是你一下子做這裡一下子做那裡 |
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然後大家都感覺說隨時都在淹水如果你可以一次把那個瓶頸段把它解決掉把你前面所花的預算一次到位那人民的感受不一樣是 我想我們會照委員這樣的一個建議我們來處理 |
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因為我一直在說的今天排水系統不是說哪邊淹水哪邊處理它是有一個排水整個環狀性的所以我才會跟我們的這個次長說他有鄉罕的問題他還要結合內政部 |
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是他還要抽水戰有時候抽水戰是你們做有些是內政部做是你知道他的妹妹嘎嘎作賊是所以我們如果太本位主義你有時候是很難去解決人民心中的痛是所以市長我今天會特別在這個特別預算還有前瞻的預算追加的預算來跟你提出這樣的一個救教就是我們預算很多人民 |
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或是國民黨 民眾黨都說啊地主義有事都很多怎麼都沒看到後果不是的今天如果我們不做這些保護因為範圍可能越大可能人民的受害會更嚴重但是往往就差在那個小瓶頸如果我們把小瓶頸突破了 |
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可能我們前面所花的預算就感覺 人民感覺就OK了我就跟你說 咱們可以白醉17年我花了17年從我第一年當立委一直到現在 最後一年完成了人民感受都不一樣過去我們都要聊醉 上便當現在都不用了 |
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可是人民才會感受到我們政府真的幫了很多可是當如果在某一個地方沒有完成你還要給他喝水 還要給他上便當他就會感受到這樣請問政府開在哪裡好像就配合了國民黨民眾黨的說法 |
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所以次長這是治水非常重要的關鍵瓶頸在哪裡趕快突破盲腸段趕快突破人民才會有感謝謝委員謝謝陳委員接下來我們請楊瓊英委員等一下登記20號的張宏祿委員質詢結束之後我們休息5分鐘 |
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8685.043 |
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謝謝主席 楊卿發言邀請衛福部來 請衛福部莊市長 |
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委員好那麼為了照顧兒童醫療解決少子化的這個困境總統也宣布衛福部要組織調整新增了一個兒少及家庭支持署來作為專責照顧兒童照顧的一個行政機構那我們少子化的問題日趨嚴重近年來我們的新生兒已經破了13萬不到13萬人 |
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生育率可以說是長期的全球的倒數它這個問題會衝擊到教育 醫療而且會影響到我們整個國家勞動力跟整體性的一個競爭力所以成立專責機構統籌整個兒童以及家庭的事務可集中這些的資源解決 |
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決策來提升它的效能跟執行的一個效率這是非常迫切需要的所以本席要在這邊請教那麼目前我們何時會提出組織法的一個修法草案那你改組的時程的規劃到底是進程是怎麼樣來 請做說明 |
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嚴委員好 這個部分我們應該是在近期大概就會把這個組織法的草案你所謂的近期是什麼時候應該在一個月內一個月內會提出你們的修法草案對…接下來本席要請問的是兒少家庭家庭署它的人力跟預算規模你們初步的規劃是怎麼樣呢… |
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目前這個還在規劃當中也就是說我們現在其實是在整個要把很多個這個私塾的課都要聚集起來目前還在做最後的一個規劃所以換句話說到您說的一個月內會提出 |
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你們的規劃修法草案以及你們的規模跟能力以及實際上內容要怎麼去執行之好 趕快加油接下來本席要跟你討論的是暫時性保護令的這個問題因為我們知道目前為止你們所提出的是說 |
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說明報告說平均要23.4日你申請了一個保護令要23.4天才能夠拿到那通常是51天多要52天那要申請這麼困難那同時這個空窗期要怎麼樣能夠保護受害者 |
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能夠保護受害者呢被害者的人身安全還有他的財產權等幾乎都沒有辦法受到公權力的一個保障所以本期要請教這個數字出來你們要怎麼樣的去強化保護令執行的一個成效 |
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這個部分我們會跟司法單位這邊合作就是說如果評估這個受害人他可能有危險的話那是不是可以提出一個比較臨時比較快速的那種保護令的部分所以本局具體要求你們跟司法單位因為 |
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已經發生這樣子嚴重的這個沒有辦法受到保護的一個情況要研擬怎麼樣去簡化這個程序這個第一點很重要第二個問題再請教拿到了保護令之後他仍舊這個加害者仍舊死保現在數字越來越增加其他的國家也有針對這樣子的一個累犯家暴者拿到了 |
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受害者拿到了保護令他仍舊被施暴那麼這個加害者要用電子監控其他國家已經這麼在執行那您衛福部的立場 讚不讚同 |
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這個部分我們也是要跟司法單位再看這個部分是不是可行那我們會再跟司法單位這邊來協議因為在未完委員會我們也討論過也就是希望朝這樣子真正能夠幫助受害者這個是非常重要趕快去研擬來 接下來訴發部最後一位訴發部我們請林部長 |
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部長 我們推動的電子簽名你們剛剛宣布了那這個到底是只有在你速發部還是要擴及到企業部擴及到整個跨部會我們希望能擴及到所有的部會那我們也積極在推廣這件事情 |
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那现在主要技术面我们认为都没有问题但是主要是在信心的问题就是很多的部会他们会觉得说这好像用电子签章还是觉得不太放心但是我们事实上我们书发部自己本身我们的所有公文都是用电子签章的方式已经实行了好几年了 |
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所以政府的橫向速發部也在努力推動是 沒錯化部會你們必須要好好的去研議因為在你們的公布當中技能的認證跟工作的需求這兩項指標是在企業界還有很多的矛盾點是所以針對了這兩個因素呢本席也要求速發部你應該要好好的去聆聽去整合讓這個電子簽章可以真正成如你說的它是通行無阻的 |
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是謝謝委員我們往這方面努力謝謝謝謝楊委員接下來我們請羅明財委員主席各位處理官員大家好主席可否請經濟部來我們請何次長 |
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面對現在台灣的最重要的競爭力台積電有一位資深的重要的主管在離職之前就把最專業最重要的二奈米技術的製程帶槍投靠跑到美國去對於現在 |
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整個大家談到了美國還要求我們要投資4000億到美國去現在錢也去了地他們那邊也有了人才也都流失了那整個富國神山台積電在台灣不是逐步被掏空的ING嗎 |
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不是整個把台灣重要的護國神山一點一滴的掏空的進行式嗎經濟部怎麼辦 |
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跟各位跟委員報告那其實這個案子已經那個高檢署已經用國安法在調查當中了那對到底對產業的影響有多大我們要了解一下他帶出去的資料是不是對台積電或是對未來產業有造成很大的影響我想這些都還在調查的過程當中那經濟部的角色當然就是我們要來協助認定他所帶出去的這些資料 |
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是不是完全就是違反了我們國安法裡面所謂的國家核心關鍵技術那這個部分我們會來協助高檢署來做認定所以他這樣的行為是對的還是不對的我想這個是不對的因為確實不對的好那一夜之秋全台灣現在逐步進行是在掏空然後帶槍投靠把這些最重要的一些資訊跟技術 |
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帶出去的一定不是只有一件嘛你們現在手上掌握的有多少件跟我們報告因為我目前大概所涉及到的這些國家這個核心關鍵技術的部分我想目前我們都是配合高檢署來做調查那到底有多少件因為這個涉及到跨部會有很多的核心關鍵技術被納進來所以我目前手頭上並沒有這方面的資料過去有發生過幾件 |
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過去這個是不是容我會我再提供給委員資料因為我手頭上目前沒有資料你要很認真的思考這些問題因為現在台灣整個產業結構 |
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全部最主要的核心就是靠IC半導體周邊AI相關在你的數據裡面去年的外銷大概AI相關的產業的比重有多少大概六七成以上 |
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大概有六成七啦所以就變成這個產業的結構嚴重的失衡換言之全現代全台灣全村就是靠的就是靠IC產業全部都在看這個包括國家的稅收也一樣你去問問看大家每年在看的我說你們這些工作人員很辛苦 |
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其實我們現在每一年最重中之重就是看科學園區新竹科學園區只要護國山群那邊穩定安全今年國家稅收起碼就穩定七成了 |
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所以這個關聯性就是在這個地方所以你看喔這個整個經濟發展慢慢失衡就會影響很多民眾的生計譬如說新店好了你今天講這個前瞻嘛我們新店那個菜市場喔以前是喔 |
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人潮滾滾現在大概雪崩式的那個整個市況差好多那經濟部可以幫忙協助一下 |
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我想我們可以來協助一些傳統市場或一些商圈怎麼樣來協助他用行銷用一些這種差異化的這種經營的手法來跟一些不管是大賣場也好或是說一些便利商店的經營也好能夠做一些特色化的區隔新店老街那個新店舊有的菜市場你知道嗎就是新店老街那一條 |
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現在我覺得人潮大概剩下不到以前的十分之一所以麻煩次長 經濟部這邊多多協助一下另外一個水電的問題現在AI一直在發展台灣到底缺不缺電包委員 我們知道2032年以前我們台灣絕對不缺電 |
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所以如果有一些算力中心的需要來台灣申請的時候經濟部都會說沒問題是沒問題會全力協助嗎會全力協助OK所以不會缺點不會缺點那水的部分我最後30秒 |
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也不會缺水就是我們新店不缺水很好我們新店大概有30幾個高低無自來水社區或是有問題的自來水大概它的水費都比平地的這個水費大概貴3倍4倍以上那怎麼解決啊 |
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這個我想我們再了解一下到底我們可以提供什麼樣的協助真的要了解嗎會後再跟葛委員再討論一下因為這應該是老問題可以協助好 謝謝那我就先謝謝一下我們經濟部的何進昌 何次長大家處理好喔會後再跟委員報告因為我已經問了快10年了 |
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我現在特別把你名字點出來你要講得到要做得到謝謝謝謝謝謝羅委員接下來我們請郭育琴委員謝謝主席有請衛福部莊次長請莊次長 |
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郭委員好市長早安我想衛福部之前宣布要成立兒童及家庭署我想這是國家將兒童的福利視為最重要的一個核心的政策我們也樂見這樣子的一個政策的啟動我想這也呼應了許多非常關心兒少的一些民間的團體他們長期的倡議 |
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但是在這裡當然我還是提供這樣子的一個我們所憂心的或者是說之後我們成立了這個所謂的兒家屬之後我們必須要去注意的一些不管是跨部會的一些整合或者是我們可能會面臨到的一些問題提供一下就是我個人的一些意見 |
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好 那我想成立這個兒家屬當然我們也是希望能夠達到所謂的接觸每一個孩子這樣子的一個目標而不是所謂的換湯不換藥這樣子的一個窘境只是為了這個治標而不治本 |
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當然其實在強化協調的這個權限的部分我想這個中央一定要整合整個所有的一個樞紐那兒家屬的業務我相信之後可能會面對我們的業務會非常的廣泛那麼範圍會非常的大那我想這個必然會涉及到不管是教育也好或者是內政也好甚至在警政還有司法的一個部分跨部會的一個業務的單位 |
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那我想如果兒家屬只是維持在三級的一個機關的位階我想這個部分可能很難有效去推動一些比較重大的一些政策的一個改革所以在這裡我也是建議就是說我們應該要來確保而且要推動小組能夠常態化那麼高頻率的一個運作那麼賦予所謂的這個實質的跨部會的一個協調的整合的一個機制跟決策的一個裁決權 |
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那我想來確保整個所有的兒少政策包含兒少的司法的保護校園的安全或者是在死亡的回顧等等的這些機制我想這個都是我們必須要去重視的喔才能夠推 才能夠將這個所謂的威權一致使得這個兒家屬能夠心無旁顧的專注在我們威服體系當中的一些專業的一個執行這是我第一個建議喔 |
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好 那第二個的部分我們剛剛有提到其實我們跟衛政跟社政還有司法其實是三重的一個壁碟那我想這個部分我們也要跨域的一個來做整合那目前我們有沒有這樣子的一個規劃那我們兒家屬最重要的我剛剛講是以兒少最佳利益最大化這樣子的為宗旨一個目標 |
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那我想我們之後可能也要跟所謂的這個狹下的不管是關心兒少的身心的健康家庭的一個支持還有保護的一個服務的相關的政策來進行全面性的一個整合目前有沒有這樣的一個進程跟規劃然後我們的進程跟規劃能夠提供一些比較具體的相關的一些數據有沒有已經在計畫當中請教一下 |
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目前就是剛剛委員講就是跟心理還有司法這個部分我們應該是說因為它等於是一個政策中心衛務部本身事實上這個部分都會一起來幫忙協助它甚至跨部會這一塊所以這個部分以我以前在當疾管署署長事實上疾管署業務也很多是跨部會的事情 |
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這個部分我們很有信心是未來在部分來整合一個我舉一個例子如果我們以兒少的保護這個案件來講其實要從通報開始到醫療的鑑定到社工的一個處遇另外再進入這個所謂的法律的程序一個每一個環節其實都要必須很流暢這個部分其實也是要提供給你們做一個參考然後跟我們這個要加油的一個目標 |
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然後再來其實我們要落實這個司法的友善要保護兒少在法律中他們最重要的一個就是他們自己本身的一些權益那例如所謂的家暴或者是性侵甚至是收出養還有侵權的訴訟等等我們都要以兒少權益為第一優先的考量 |
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然後跟專業的一些緊密的一個配合然後來接觸每一個孩子那麼不管是在社工醫療體系相關的司法協作的人員的訓練等等我想這個部分呢也是我們成立這個兒家屬是最重要最重要的一個終極的目標 |
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那第四就是我們擔心因為我們現在等於單位擴大了但是我們的人力我們的糧草要備足不要說我們光是有一個這樣子的一個部會的成立但是問題是我的兵馬跟糧草沒有到位這也不行所謂的兵馬跟糧草其實我剛剛講的除了要充足的新增的人力的原額跟我們的預算的編列還有整個現有的組織的人力的調整 |
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到每一個位置要有一個專業的人來做這樣子的一個排列的組合其實能夠擁有這個部分我們才能夠成為真正能夠接住每一個孩子最重要的一個兒家屬這是我們所關心的一個部分那提供給我們的市長帶回去跟部長 |
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就是我的一些意見跟參考好嗎謝謝委員謝謝委員我們會帶回去演繹那我們也希望能夠真正接觸每一個需要幫助的孩子好這是我們終極目標謝謝謝謝次長好謝謝主席謝謝郭委員接下來我們請張宏祿委員那張宏祿委員質詢結束之後我們休息五分鐘 |
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來 我請衛福部來 請衛福部莊市長委員好市長 |
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這個昨天行政院版的財化法在程序委員會就已經被擋了但之前卓院長有表示未來長照3.0的預算有1000多億然後可能家庭的補助會一年達到18萬我想請問一下如果院版的財化法無法上路這些規劃會不會受到影響 |
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會 會受到目前應該是說足夠支應不會受到影響不會受到影響對 目前是這樣 對你本來你家庭的補助一年可能達到18萬你如果這樣子長照3.0預算會少了1100多億你說不會受到影響 |
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法定人數不足 |
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您 我可不可以請你不了解你請他回答你不要隨便講你講說不會受到影響是 委員好那有關於我們那個長照基金的部分在115年的部分其實我們也有把這個所謂從12萬變成18萬的這個預算先納進來先去做編列那以目前的這個收支的這個編列的情形的話在115年的部分這樣是不會受到影響的這個經費都還是有一些剩餘的部分 |
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還有不會受到影響然後經費順便那你們編一千多億是要幹什麼的一千多億的部分其實也包括了我們在明年開始有長照3.0的一個計畫的上路所以其實它有一些服務對象的增加跟一些服務項目的擴大的部分都是在這整個經費那我先問你你們我們如果全國獨居一老人你們大概認為全國有多少戶多少人 |
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有70萬人70萬人嘛 70萬戶嘛 對不對然後這個是現在的這一個統計啦但在中南部在很多有些你是戶籍資料上看不出來他是獨居的喔這個你們有沒有考慮過有沒有想過 |
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所以我明年會有專案計畫去做這個加榜的一些調查所以要做這些有可能人口數增加也有可能戶數增加那你們剛剛給我回答這個預算有夠應該是說這是不同的不同的這個是社家屬的一個業務不同的不同的業務不不不我剛剛 |
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我剛剛問你們的就是說未來長照3.0一千多億你們說不會收到排擠也認為夠我現在問你如果就獨居老人70萬人那這些如果你又去普查了又增加了人數又增多了這個預算會不會增加如果預算增加的情況之下這些夠不夠 |
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是跟委員報告那剛才所提到對於這個長照家庭的補助他還是必須經過長照的這個CMS的這個等級的鑑定他才會進入到我們長照的這一塊的補助範圍那剛所提到的這個獨居老人的部分當然他是有70萬戶這樣的一個數據我們也會在明年的有特別預算去做相關的一個普查的調查的這一塊但他還是要經過這個相關的失能的鑑定之後他才會變成是我們的這個長照補助的對象所以這個經費上面他其實是不一樣的一個部分來做指引 |
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謝謝 |
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你們部長在11月初就有表示要跟內政部兩年內完成國內獨居老人的普查然後你們要求導入社區照顧長照3.0等資源對不對這個是你們的政策你們現在要去普查我認為這裡面真正獨居的跟你戶口上的看出來一定會多很多 |
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一定會多很多那你們有沒有相關的配套比如說這個預算可能會多出來多少 |
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現在還在做需求調查就是說這個當然沒有繼續調查會不會知道那這個一調查出來之後可以再我們也可以用公務預算再來再來想辦法 次長我必須要說很多的事情不要這麼武斷然後就說你的預算過那你的預算過我們也不用解凍了對不對 你們預算都還你剛剛說還有餘裕對不對 |
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那像我現在舉這個例子你就有可能調查出來你可能人數暴增你們都沒有預作準備然後其實問你們也答不出來確確的數據啊 對不對那你們如果都要這樣講 |
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召委不用排啦 預算幹嘛要解凍啊我們在這邊看而且問你們數據你們也答不出來我覺得這一點你們要精進一點啦好 那個委員所要求的數據 經費在會後再麻煩提供給張委員好 謝謝好 謝謝張宏祿委員我們現在休息五分鐘 |
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我們繼續開會接下來我們請張雅琳委員謝主席我們有請衛福部次長我們請莊次長委員好 |
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市長好我實在不是很確定說我要問的問題是不是屬於你的業務是不是有關於托育還有兒家屬的問題我不是那麼確定但我想這算是你的業務嗎兒家屬不是不過都是社會部的業務好喔 |
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我想我們就要來做一些討論最主要就是說前陣子在九月多的新聞政委有提到說我們要做這個三合一的托育那三合一的托育呢其實站在一個家長尤其是我我也覺得非常非常好因為我就不用奔波不同的地點去接送小孩因為過去我們很多人的小孩可能是念 |
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A區的幼兒園 B區的學校所以我們都在這個路上面奔波非常的緊張所以我認為這是非常好的可是問題是說我們這個零拖跟托育的政策一直其實都有在做零拖政策是一直有在做可是過去都有一些問題我不曉得我們現在到底沒有解決因為我也沒有從到我也沒有得到更多我關於這個政策更仔細的資訊所以我想要請教 |
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就是說我們目前這個大家一直在講一個問題就是說第一個零拖的場地拓展不出來場地很有限無法拓展的數量非常少再來就是托育人員到底是誰是來托育因為很多的幼兒園老師也希望我不要再延長托育了那這個部分到底要如何解決人力的問題然後還有就是說對於業者來說我要提供額外提供這個托育的服務 |
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意願也不高這是我們現在一直在做零拖無法推廣出來的一個問題所以我想要知道這個政策下來之後我們如何去回應現在的問題我們的解決方法是什麼 |
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是 包委員現在的確是在人力跟場地這邊都會在盡速的努力另外還有一個其實是其實零拖應該說很多家長可能都有需求但是他可能也不知道有這樣的服務所以這個也是我們未來希望能夠再多宣導那剛剛您講的這兩個問題我們會再努力是 |
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好 那因为不是你的政策那我想就可不可以出一份报告给我详细的说明我们如何去面对于场地跟人力不足的问题因为这两个问题没有解决就算再多的宣传也没有用那大家什么时候可以给我报告呢 |
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一個月好不好一個月好喔那再來我也想要知道說我們我也是一個要求我們在這些零拖政策上面是不是也可以找民間團體一起來討論不管是三合一托育也好因為三合一托育還有一個實務面的問題就是我們的幼兒園最長有些縣市可以到6點半 |
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可是我們的小學一般的課後班是到五點半如果是星光班是七點那這個時間上面就會有一些落差如何的去整合再來如果要放在同一個場地裡面空間也是一個問題如何在學校裡面因為有些學校特別是針對於桃園地區的學校它的光小學部因為新興人口一直在增加你如果要把它放進去因為新興人口在增加才會有這個三合一托育的需求可是學校沒有空間 |
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那怎麼解決這個問題這個是不是也可以還是你現在有一些想法同時說我們一直有跟民間單位一起都有在溝通這個部分也可以再跟我們會再用書面來回應你是不是就書面上面回應我我們如何解決在這些新興地區特別是桃園我如何做到三合一的場地的問題還有時間上面整合的問題就這兩點給我一個書面報告一樣是一個月嗎 |
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好 谢谢那下一题呢应该也不是你的业务就是因为是儿家属因为这个儿家属我们因为我一直长期过去也就是在民间做儿童相关的工作所以我们当然看到这个儿家属成立一则已喜 |
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他還是一個三級機關過去我們遇到的一些問題還是可能無法做這個跨部會的整合我想次長一定從這個體系上來你非常了解跨部會的整合一個數 |
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包委員 有關礦部會整合的部分事實上現在是由陳時中政委在做整合的一個部分所以他這邊可以找教育部還有衛福部跟司法單位其實都是透過政委這邊來協助但是應該要有一個常任的機制才對是所以這個機制的設計是什麼應該說 |
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它本來就是說它是一個政策跟一個協調的一個單位等於是說未來我們這個兒家屬他本來他的業務就是由這個他來負責但是需要到跨部會的部分當然是要有光跨屬就是一個問題 |
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就是剛剛講的是說政委來做一些協調跨部會協調OK但是跨署上面的一些協調我再給我30秒就好了就是包含光社家署也有家庭兒家署也有家庭這兩個的家庭到底是什麼我也完全不清楚如果已經有清楚的一些規劃是不是也可以提出因為未來它主要是兒少剛剛您講現在是分到不同的單位所以未來就會合到這個兒少家庭支持署這邊 |
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當然我們部裡面的目前是由呂健德次長來針對這個業務來做督導那是不是就乾脆我約個時間請次長跟我約個時間好不好到我辦公室來說明到底這個兒家屬 社家屬如何的去切割相關的一些內務工作以及還有兒家屬的部分會不會只有偏重醫療而忽略了社福 好不好 |
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我們再找情侶次長跟張委員報告好 謝謝 謝謝謝謝委員接下來我們請林俊憲委員好 感謝主席本席邀請我們衛福部莊次長再請莊次長 |
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二維好次長我延續討論我們現在即將成立的兒童家庭署叫兒童署簡單講表示政府對於這種親子的活動或親子的教育這個非常重視那我有一點要來讓次長了解政府過去在補助地方蓋那個親子館這個其實是非常好 |
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有沒有注意到我們台南是親子館數量最少的台南其實有37個行政區那目前在六都裡面親子館的數量是最少所以台南市政府大概 |
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除了目前的12處以外計畫原來有個計畫到2029年要再增加7處目前應該說這是由前瞻預算來做的這個當然就是會請這個地方政府一起來申請我們會盡量補助 |
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11053.554 |
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那這樣會不會受到裁判法的影響裁判法就是說你現在中央地方的因為前瞻跟這個可能特別預算所以是不受影響是目前台南市規劃的未來的這7個館再增加到2029年要增加的這7個親子館是不受影響的不受預算不受影響 |
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你要確定不過他成立了之後當然是用公務預算如果是你來自前瞻預算當然就不受未來財務法影響他應該說在新建的那個部分是沒有影響但是如果成立了之後他當然就是用一般的公務預算來處理因為現在台南市政府就擔心因為聖教族已經說他未來的補助恐怕財務法以後他要再重新評估 |
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重新評估的意思大概就是對於地方的補助它就不再有保證了這一點如果是以如果是規劃用錢家來支付的話那這個部分至少新建的預算是不用擔心你的意思是這樣子嗎是那另外 |
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這個對於長照的部分我要跟市長討論一點是我們現在那個夜間服務夜間服務就是可以申請在晚上照顧8點到12點 |
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那有這樣需求的人次 你看一下從2020年17萬8千5年來到去年增加到32萬人增加了15萬人次 增加幅度是82%這個很可怕 也就是說在晚上8點到12點 |
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有需要夜間居家服務到家裡去照顧的這個申請人次你看 我說增加非常多另外同時這種小規模這種所謂夜間喘息服務就是有時候家屬會有一些特別的需求家屬不在 外出或者是他必須要工作提供晚上六點到隔天八點的服務這個也非常多 |
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你看從5年來從大概1900人增加到去年的是將近4600人增加1.4倍增加142%那這麼未來你看這個趨勢 |
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需求會越來越多就需要晚上八點到十二點的夜間居家照護以及需要夜間喘息服務晚上六點到隔天八點的絕對越來越多那最吃緊的一定是什麼人力啦那人力怎麼來 |
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那我希望這個衛福部這裡恐怕要有一定的一個彈性做法我再舉一個服務給次長看一下就是那個巡視服務只有這個巡視服務申請的人次越來越少他最近從2022年到去年近三年來減少了兩成 |
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減少了將近4萬6千個人次所以這邊的人力我就要彈性運用也就是說你現在這種增加需求的服務項目的人力那怎麼辦那是不是改由巡視服務來支援 |
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那這點施展的看法這個部分謝謝委員提出來我們這個應該會整體來評估因為這個人力的部分他也可能涉及他個人的也本身的一些意願是不是你一定要有一個彈性的調配是要不然你現在夜間居家服務還有喘息服務的能增加那個速度那麼快是 |
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像這個地方放寬服務使用的放寬那個什麼巡視服務的能力所調配我們會來研議 好吧好 謝謝好 謝謝市長謝謝林委員接下來我們請羅廷偉委員羅廷偉謝謝 |
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主席有請莊仁祥次長請莊次長委員好次長不好意思想跟你請問一下請問你心中職場霸凌的定義是什麼應該說有持續性的一個在言語 身體或是語言上面的一個暴力你覺得樣態有哪些 |
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可能有上司對下屬或是上司對下屬或是平輩就群體的部分也有類似的一個也有這種的狀況好 那我想問一下集管署東區管制中心簡主任是長期讓特定的女技工每天幫她備妥早餐午餐 |
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基層員工看不慣工氣失用7月初二度向政風市檢舉那時候莊氏您是疾管署的署長對這個案子有了解嗎這個部分它7月2號一通報它事實上在社群媒體還有信函都有舉發所以我當時就請政風跟人事就跨組來做調查 |
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所以後來是有了解因為他主要當時是說他的行政管理的措施不當所以我們事實上也針對這個部分認為不當所以我有口頭口頭警告我都知道我先請問一下機關署其他單位是否輪流幫主管準備兩餐的制度 |
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應該是沒有啦那這個部分事實上我們有找主管再去問這位技工他說他主要是因為他在看到在疫情期間他沒有辦法幫什麼忙所以他是主動的協助所以是他自己自願的是但是同仁都看不下去幫他檢舉對所以自願的結果同仁幫他檢舉你不覺得很奇怪嗎 |
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我们的确有去访问到那个技工那请问一下女技工的工作内容是否有帮主管准备两餐这样子的一个内容 |
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他在當時的確是有幫忙不過他的說法是我說的是他本身應該要有的工作內容應該不是啦 對我想問一下喔那如果沒有為何能夠容許長期指派跟職務無關的一個事務他並沒有指派他啦我剛剛有說過他其實是在他自己去協助這位主管的部分是 |
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那既然是他自己主動的那幹嘛口頭訊戒因為當時是認為說他的確在行政上面就是不應該讓這個事情有這個長期發生那另外一個是所以對你來說你也覺得這不是霸凌因為他是長期自己主動另外一個是他其實只是幫他加熱微波這個部分並沒有說去煮什麼東西啦 |
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購買要不要時間購買我不太確定他是不是有去幫他買他不可能在那邊開火嘛是對不對所以我想說這樣子那你認為這就不是霸凌是吧主要是要那個人心理上有覺得他有被長期的這個忽視或是語言的暴力他目前是沒有我想現在我們要知道法律 |
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雖然沒有明文規定禁止叫下屬準備早午餐這樣子就沒有違法的問題但是能不能將整個過程當中我們還原以後發現你說他只是自願而且他只有加熱他沒有採購嗎他一定有採購那為什麼到同仁來看都覺得好奇怪為什麼他要幫他買 |
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所以我不懂為什麼這件事情爆出來以後呢很多的同仁都覺得為他抱屈我覺得就是主要是那個爆料那個人一直在講這件事其他人並沒有啊所以你覺得是那個人自己的觀感問題所謂的霸凌應該是指那個受害人他有長期受到這樣的心理影響但我們有去訪問他的確是沒有 |
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整個衛福部體系沒有感覺到整個權勢不對等 公器私用這個部分我想跟委員報告就是我在當署長的時候大概接收到很多的我們就是署裡面有人來提出霸凌的一個檢舉我事實上都會很正式的去處理這件事情並沒有去嚴厲這件事情事實上不是對這件事情 |
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個案我根本不認識但我看到這個報導我覺得啊 嚴肅面對不要輕描淡寫我們最害怕就是衛福部謝宜榮事件又衍生到其他的部會所以我希望嚴肅面對整個公務機關安全有尊嚴的工作環境 |
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職場的尊嚴一定要重視最後我想跟您另外再請問中醫長照ABC的據點在整個部件上面我覺得有所應該要精進台灣面臨超高齡現在65歲以上失能的人口預估在2031年破百萬長照安寧的醫療需求明顯增加 |
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卫福部中药师前师长黄一超曾经说过出沽全台可能有百万名的失能患者目前在这样的困境上我要再讲我们整个健康愚民减少医疗长照资源的使用在整个受西方医疗外我觉得中医师可以做全身的调息养生保住治疗所以我现在希望是中医要对于长照可能提供的注意 |
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我要講的是現在我們分A據點B據點C據點A據點有818處B據點 稍微我馬上就好了最後30秒喔B據點9000多處C據點4971處但是這A B C據點你知不知道中醫投入長照的有多少你可以簡單講一下嗎先說他總共大概有348個中醫師有這個證照啦 |
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雖然他現在對於這個可能會比較少一點我直接公布答案ABC裡面你自己知道非常之少上千處幾千處甚至上萬處加起來的這些據點裡面只有幾處才有所以我希望這太少了衛福部應該要增加誘因跟辦法提升中醫服務據點的數據 |
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可以嗎是 我們會回去會來研議一個月內給我答案可以嗎是…一個月 謝謝好 謝謝你 謝謝好 謝謝羅委員接下來我們請葛如君委員謝謝主席有請速發部林一進部長 |
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好 我們請林部長待會我們12點開放現場用餐各位委員好部長好 本席手上有國防小局書不知道你們有沒有看過有 在這裡你有看過嗎有有看過請問部長對於小局書當中的內容都表示認同嗎應該都沒有問題吧是 委員有什麼地方有什麼問題嗎 |
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都沒有問題那我們來看最後一頁最後一頁諮詢機關其實是速發部那我們現在就來看一下我們來看這個內容你們是諮詢機關也很感謝你看過 |
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其實我們昨天總質詢其實就說行政院官網上的現行國家通訊網路架構上空只有一顆ST2超過九成的網路依賴海嵐顯然跟你們速發部強調的多元一直通訊網路是背道而駛結果國防小局書裡面講得更明白我看到部長您在笑 |
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你不要笑我們台灣的網路會對嗎台灣上空不只一顆衛星我在笑的是這件事情對嘛你說一顆衛星不只一顆衛星那幾顆嘛我們有中軌衛星有SES加起來幾顆嘛我們可以連線現在可以連的幾顆嘛你說嘛我們現在有那個有沒有超過一千顆沒有嘛對但是覺得不止一顆嘛不是不是部長所以我要跟您說第十五頁國防小局書你翻開來看好不好 |
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國防部比我還擔心他說因為危機的時候大規模網路癱瘓就是衛星不夠我們現在如果能夠有更多元的衛星我們就不會有大規模斷網的問題完全同意這裡面很好我們有共識這裡面一堆QR Code大規模斷網是要怎麼掃我們現在有OneWeb 有SES如果速發部韌性不足 |
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通訊任性不足啊就讓小局書變小費書了嘛所以我想我們現在希望能夠給部長一個機會希望我們能夠請這個部長說明一下嘛我們是不是應該修正小局書這個說法啊 |
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需要修正哪裡所以你同意他會大規模斷網就對了啦這個一定有這個風險這個風險有高有低那烏克蘭現在現在是不是可以聯網了烏克蘭現在是不是可以透過訓練聯網了那我們台灣也可以透過OneWeb聯網也可以透過SES聯網啊所以昨天質詢的時候我們就說我們衛星的部分為什麼只納入一顆ST2嘛那你說有別的那我就請問部長我們SES還有那個OneWeb都有啊 |
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到底有沒有納入非同步衛星有還是沒有你在這裡跟我說有行政院官網上畫沒有到底是有還是沒有你為什麼這個圖還是只有一顆包委員那是舊的資料現在新的部分已經納入oneweb了所以那個是您看到是行政院官網上舊的資料那你就要把它納入 |
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非同步的衛星嘛那另外OneWeb加上Kyper很可能都不到1000顆啦這個高度也跟其他的品牌不太一樣本席昨天就有總質詢談到電信法裡面啊有相關的規範但這個規範啊會讓這個電信的多元素多元性衛星的多元性不足啊想請問一下組長台灣通訊任性的速發部是不是也同意應該要進速修法 |
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加速台灣這個衛星電信市場的自由化多元化免得被國防部做文章說我們會網路崩潰嘛 |
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我知道委員非常關心這件事情那包含就是說Amazon的LEO他現在改名叫LEO還有那個STARLINK我們都非常歡迎只要符合台灣的法律只要對台灣有利的話我們都非常希望跟他們來談電信法的架構就是很困難啊都還沒有來談STARLINK都沒有來跟我們談我們就要修法 這很奇怪啊70年前的思維你不修你說來了 董事長要是台灣人然後呢 股權要超過51% |
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那這個人家當然沒興趣啊所以昨天部長有說可能是什麼WTO啦我要跟部長提醒啦日本菲律賓馬來西亞都已經專案許可現在他們都已經在連線了 |
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你們現在國防部我們的政府說危機可能要來結果你現在連也連不了我們iPhone也不能直連日本已經可以連了啊烏克蘭已經可以連了啊跟我們說明一下手機直連衛星基本上只有SOS跟TEX可以對不起不好意思部長你回去研究一下烏克蘭是已經可以保持連線囉 |
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已經可以做額外通訊囉保持連線但是它的頻寬非常小您可以去查一下因為這個所謂低軌衛星它距離地面有500公里您不要耗費我的時間這個訊息請您更新一下已經可以直接做通訊了我沒有說不可以只是說它頻寬很小而已所以 |
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所以怎麼樣傳Tax的就不重要嗎危機的時候不重要嗎不要在這裡跟我們開這種玩笑嘛好不好所以我們是不是本席願意促進NCC修法希望蘇發布能不能跟我們立場一致我們更多元嘛更多歌沒有不好嘛對不對我們非常歡迎各個 |
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非常歡迎我們一起來修法好不好要談完以後才能修法不是先修法我們同意把門打開對不對根本都還沒來談我怎麼能修法我們同不同意把門打開嘛你門不打開人家為什麼來談呢要有人敲門我才打開門啊現在連敲門都還沒來敲我怎麼樣就先開門讓人家進來不是 你的法令根本就是不友善的你為什麼要等人家來求你們可是Amazon.io跟OneWeb都來啦 |
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最後再跟這個葛委員再做個說明好時間有限友善回應一下這個多元網路說我們網路大規模癱瘓部長你願意接受嗎這次講的是風險不是一定會發生的事情可以讓它不要發生嘛我們有足夠多的衛星就可以不要發生嘛那你們為什麼就不把它打開呢法令為什麼不把它開放呢 |
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來 支持速發部謝謝 一起來支持速發部支持速發部 一起來修法謝謝主席好 謝謝 謝謝各位委員接下來我們請謝一鳳委員好 謝謝主席我想要請何次長請經濟部何次長 |
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好 委員好市長我請教一下美國它現在創世紀任務那它是要結合不管是公司部門共同來協力就是說發展AI |
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所以代表了不只公部門需要採購設備師部門其實也要所以甚至他們要建造的AI資訊中心的基礎建設例如他們需要大規模的電力 |
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現在我們美國的電網可能已經舊了再加上AI它是需要高度的用電的這個情況如果導致像變壓器什麼的短缺 |
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我們怎麼樣子協助現在台灣既有的產業如果要到美國去那我們的如果這些設備需要通過美國的安規認證那我們怎麼樣協助他 |
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現在我們對應到現在的AI的需求我們既然要發展你們經濟部怎麼樣子給產業協助那對於現在要再進一步轉型的因為關稅的這個因應的問題那這種基礎的設備過去我們台灣有的那未來怎麼樣子協助他能夠往美國去呢你說 |
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跟委員報告確實現在是一個AI爆發潮我們現在台廠也是掌握這一波的優勢不管是在目前在國內的一些生產製造或是未來如果台美談判完之後我們要打造一個類科學園區在美國的話我想這些都是我們台廠一個很大的機會我們現在當然也希望說 |
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不只是AI 連基礎設備都有這樣子的優勢沒錯 沒錯所以這些其實都是我們台灣供應鏈廠商都可以來供應的一些商機我想未來我們在跟美國在做類科學園區的開發上我們也會請美國這邊來提供相關的行政協助也就是說我們台灣有一些設備如果要 |
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你們標檢局跟工研院有跟他們共同合作嗎這個也許這個細節的部分我想會有我在提供給委員尤其是這個認證UL認證美國的安規認證這種東西我想這些應該都是很重要的因為我們都比較沒有了解到就是說過去也許我們沒有這樣子的認證那未來我們如果要有這樣的認證怎麼樣子加速那這當然我們知道這一波可能只有幾年十年 |
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那我們越快速的取得就可以協助國內的廠商能夠馬上的就是說進入到美國的市場來攻下這一波的AI的商機這是很重要的再來就是你們說要去美國投資那現在你們跟哪一個 |
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哪一個州有取得相關的稅務上面的有嗎 稅務上面的協助嗎 優惠嗎還是能夠給予德州嗎 是不是其實我們跟德州已經有簽一些簽MOU了這是不是需要這需要州政府的協助對不對對 州政府或聯邦政府其實也都要因為州有州稅那聯邦有聯邦稅的部分這也都是未來在行政協助 |
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的一部分我們要跟美方談的那目前在談判裡面美國有提到這個嗎我想這個應該都是後面行政協助的部分所以那個沒有在這邊談是在行政協助的部分應該是就是說我們會爭取最大的一個租稅優惠所以就是在德州我們有提到了MOU那MOU裡面有提到了租稅優惠嗎 |
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我講德州它是一個沒有週稅的一個地區那邊也有很好的水電的這個供應的設施的基礎那所以包括像電電工會或是國內有一些廠商也都已經在那邊做布局了那我想未來這個德州的部分應該也是我們台商要發展這個美國的一個很重要的一個據點 |
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還有精密我們的智慧機械現在也是面臨一個瓶頸那你們已經有AI的產線以及適量產的這樣子的一個產線那就是要提高那個機台的精度以及我們希望說每一次能夠就是一次那個模具可以一次到位減少耗損 |
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這個部分當廠商投入的時候那你們經濟部有沒有提供他們相對的誘因你有沒有帶他們去美國跟委員報告其實也謝謝委員支持 |
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我們在這一次的韌性特別預算裡面有提到一點就是我們國內的這些製造業如果要採購因為AI的升級他採購這個國產化機器設備的話其實我們在韌性特別預算裡面我們都可以補助到市場的這個機器設備的這個太久換新的部分我想這是 |
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12482.637 |
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你知道那是補助那你知道他還是要花六成然後導入技術其實我們要協助企業導入技術有沒有你知道傳產現在是面臨到技術上面這個問題所以你第一個你要有誘因讓他去做第二個你必須要讓他們就是說有訂單在美國的訂單這個部分我們有沒有辦法切入經濟部 |
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市長書面報告給我們謝委員好不好我不要書面報告我要他回答對 那時間有限主席回答一下時間有五分鐘因為今天有六十幾位委員要登記我簡單回答一下在這次任性特別預算裡面我們有編了分散市場的一個補助所以就是說一些重大的一些像機械展或汽車林培線展我們都可以帶著我們廠商到國外去參展去做佈局 |
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所以我想這些我們都有在那你也要帶機械的廠商去美國我們已經帶了幾團出去了好 謝謝謝委員接下來我們請顏寬恆委員主席 各位列席官員大家好主席有請 |
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12568.78 |
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速發部 林部長好 再請林部長部長好 |
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12582.205 |
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我們時常在金管會 財政部我都向他們詢問關心這個詐騙的議題但是我看了你們前三五期的解讀報告老實說我看不出來你們的解讀報告有回應到我們問題的主旨我們關心的是詐騙集團越來越猖獗受害的民眾越來越多金額居高不下每天到好幾億被詐騙的金額 |
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而且台灣的詐騙威名這個世界皆知這樣子對台灣是一種很大的傷害所以說尤其我們的手機常常接到這樣子一些訊息或者是一些圖片 |
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這些莫名其妙的這些訊息所以請你們提出如何提升電信業者保障客戶秘密通信 隱私權以及個人資料安全保護等的一個具體改善措施這是我們要求的但是從這個解問報告裡面你們寫了一些現在已經既有的這些再陳述一次我看不到改善的方案是什麼 |
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跟委員報告好像這次我們被凍結的這個並沒有包含打炸的部分然後您提到的那些電信的這些工作應該是NCC那個國家通傳會他們的業務並不是我們速發部的業務 |
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這個我跟你講就整份報告對於這個打炸防炸這個部分要做一些具體的一些計畫跟陳述不是不要做這樣子的一些這個好像這個等於是這個報告有跟無都沒有必要性一樣那個跟委員報告那個我們的報告裡面並沒有打炸的這部分有打炸那部分好像是通傳會的報告 |
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那所以他不屬於你的業務嗎不是我們的業務通常會跟樹發部互不隸屬 |
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報告委員 各自的部分現在是通常會在做主管電信業者個人資料保護的部分所以您剛才談的那個部分確實是通常會那目前他們就我所了解通常會也做了一些行政檢查要求電信業者各自的保護這個部分呢對 通常會有要求電信業者已經取得ISO27001而且在定義化契約中要求業者提供非經依法同意的話不得提供目的外利用而且通常會也要求 |
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用戶如果停止處理跟利用的時候也要能夠讓消費者能夠同意的退出另外通販會也會要求業者修正各自的告知的這些事項所以通販會現在已經針對這部分做了一些加強措施對 每一項改善都要有時程 指標 成效這些部分 強制力的部分 |
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這個要續名我要提醒你們就是說我們現在每天民眾接到的詐騙電話還有詐騙簡訊這個是我們自己變成說是不是我們個資被人家盜用還是被不孝掌上給外賣了這些都要去查所以這些是很重要不可以拖不能等好不好是我們非常謝謝委員的關心那這部分我們會跟通常會去一起合作我們會轉告他們委員的關心謝謝先請回 |
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請主席再請主計總處陳副主計長那個主計總處的陳副主計長來請副主計長委員好 |
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是副主席長我在這邊要嚴正的呼籲也要請主席總書來幫忙這個前瞻基礎建設預算的本質是希望說每個城市跟地區都能夠得到均衡的發展但是 |
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中央政府完全是把台中市撇在一邊對台中市是不知大小眼不聞不問好像沒人在的孩子一樣交通部鐵道建設編列人25億近5000萬但是台中市又一毛都沒有一塊錢都沒有 |
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目前台中市的軌道建設有捷運藍線有機場捷運還有捷運藍線的延伸段還有捷運紫線再來就是綠線的延伸段結果前三五期台中市的軌道建設是零還是零 |
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還是零喔所以我想沒有人可以接受啦台中市的人口超過台灣整體的百分之十二那這樣子的一個在這樣子的一個直轄市竟然在前瞻武器裡面沒有軌道建設沒有分配到這個讓不只是我啦所有的人都覺得中央這種做法我想是沒有人可以接受那我在這邊要請主計總署跟國發會還有我們的交通部 |
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來協助幫忙因為除了海線雙軌高架之外這個往北是連接到苗栗線再來往東就是接到高鐵接到高鐵跟原來的台中市的高鐵環狀線是一致的這個因為時間有限但我在這邊就是說 |
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這個經費龐大台中市府的這個負擔也很高但是既然我們在鐵道建設裡面拿不到任何的預算所以我在這邊要請我們的主席總署交通部國發會盡速的來針對我剛剛提到這部分因為已經太多次了送到國發會送部送院國發會然後又退回來又重送這樣子一來一回從原來的五十幾億現在變光烏日段就要八十幾億了 |
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越晚做越貴 不做會後悔我在這邊拜託一下就是說基本上我了解交通部基本上對軌道建設它是依那個進度所以並不是說台中市一定是沒有而是它是依進度在核列就沒有 就這麼簡單好 謝謝謝謝我們顏委員接下來我們請陳秀寶委員 |
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謝主席請陳副主席長以及衛福部莊市長來請莊市長陳副主席長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[477].end |
13001.509 |
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早安 算午安了副主席長我這邊先請教您前瞻基礎建設計畫第五期特別預算是701億那執行到9月底有勞動部 和安會 經濟部 速發部衛生福利部等13個機關各項工作計畫已經實現的比例未達80%其中勞動部 和安會執行率是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[478].end |
13029.78 |
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客委會也只有4.55%但是這些部會現在不在現場我想請教副主席講為什麼我們的這個執行率這麼低有沒有檢討是什麼原因我們在年底可以執行完嗎跟委員報告就是說我們對於這個執行率每個月都有在控管那我們最新的執行率到10月底是有七成三那對於個別部會如果有 |
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進度落後的我們也一定都會發文請他們去檢討來督促他的執行這倒是什麼原因嗎目前為止可能就是說我們看起來就是說可能有一些發包的困難或者說一些相關的這一些各種各個部位他可能面臨的問題樣態不太一樣那到年底可以執行完嗎 |
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到年底我想我們現在都積極的在執行會後請您把相關的資料一份給我辦公室其中公共服務據點的整備主要是我們要辦理公有的危險建築物的補強這個部分社家屬的執行率是零衛生服務部只有3.4% |
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國民健康署公共服務據點準備執行率只有19.98%本席覺得說危險建築的補強重建是攸關民眾的安全攸關人命這樣的執行率其實讓人家很擔心那現在已經是11月底了那剛才副組長您說有陸陸續續的在關心在提升但是這個我剛提到這個補強重建的進度有沒有提升上來 |
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這個部分因為它事實上就是那個衛恩所它主要是衛恩所這個部分要補強那這個部分我們會再請這個地方這邊趕快把這個需要的部分送給我們來處理因為我剛剛提到這些數據是審計部在10月的時候統計出來的現在是11月底了 |
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那現在到年底也剩下這麼短暫的時間我希望說我們如果有一些資料是還沒有進來然後就是據說還有發包的這些問題的你們整理出來那把一份資料送我辦公室這邊好那副局長你先請回座次長您留著昨天呢是 |
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国际终止妇女受暴日那我们国内的医师及妇女团体一直呼吁政府应该要正式被指控性骚扰的医生的监控及惩戒的这个机制的确我们现行的制度呢有存在揭露不足惩戒延宕缺乏跨机关预警这个三个漏洞 |
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所以一般民眾他到醫院就診就醫的時候他根本沒有辦法知道說眼前的醫師是不是有涉嫌性騷擾的醫師那這邊要請教次長我們是不是應該也要將性貧防治成效納入醫院的評鑑而且必須要完整的揭露醫事人員涉及性貧這個資訊另外對於這個懲戒的啟動過慢除非過輕衛福部這邊有什麼改進的方案 |
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有關性貧納入評鑑的部分我們會再研議針對這個揭露不足跟懲戒嚴當的部分我們會再跟這個主要是醫院還有醫學會這個部分我們再請他們如果有這樣的一個事件發生要立刻讓我們知道就是說我們可以做一些協調 |
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知道跟協調但是這個處分過輕的部分我們是不是應該很正式然後很審慎的來研議相關的懲處的機制是 好 我們會待會去研議 是 |
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当你们演绎有进度的时候也请一份报告给我办公室另外我再请教您卫福部我们为了整顿植美乱象对于医美的品质来提升已经有预告要修正特定医疗技术检查检验医疗仪器施行或使用的管理办法我们已将美容医学分为三级管理引发医界很罕见的内部的对立四大医界专业团体力挺卫福部的改革 |
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但是医师公会群联会等六个学会公会是很强烈的反对将医美诊所纳入这个评鉴的制度造成双方立场的分歧我想请教说卫福部这边你们会迫于压力停止这个改革的措施吗那你们跟相关团体这个意见沟通跟相关的公会学会的这个意见沟通目前进行的怎么样包委员今天下午应该说我们的医事师会找这个相关的公会一起来沟通这个部分会在下午来进行 |
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當然就是說針對讓這些工會把這些意見陳述出來我們會做後續的一個協議其實衛福部站在保障民眾的立場就是我們要變美也必須要有一個保障的基礎安全的基礎而且其實醫療既然是醫療醫療本質就不是一般的商業行為這個牽涉到民眾生命安全以及健康我們不能讓民眾暴露在這種不可逆的醫療風險之中 |
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所以我希望說我們要堅定的我們保護保障民眾的這個立場那該溝通的事情我們還是要持續去溝通謝謝委員 謝謝次長謝謝陳委員接下來我們請蔡其昌委員蔡其昌委員蔡其昌委員不在我們請下一位鄭天才委員 |
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主席 各位委員有請經濟部次長我們請何次長委員好好 次長好今天談的中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫可能不是你負責的業務了但是有關河川治理的部分就麻煩 |
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次長再請另外一位次長還有水利署來積極辦理或是提供相關的資料好 |
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那我們除了在公務預算這個有關河川治理的無論是在中央管的河川或是地方管的河川那因為地方畢竟經費有限所以在前瞻基礎建設計畫特別預算裡面 |
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從第一期到第五期都有這個對於縣市和縣市管河川及棲排水整體改善計畫這樣的一個計畫那以這個第五期來講這個水與安全編列了168億4300萬那如果我們從這個這一次 |
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花蓮縣9月23日因為馬太安溪淹社福潰壩一流造成這麼重大的災害就可以可想而知除了中央館的河川為主這次是中央館的河川為主但是有部分也是涉及到縣市館的河川 |
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所以這個部分那當然這個第五期特別預算也執行的這個都差不多了所以還是要提供一下作為我們未來在編列預算在核定相關的計畫的時候的可以做一個很重要的一個怎麼樣去做因應調整所以我就請你 |
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回去之後請相關的就是水利署提供這個第五期所辦理的部分另外就是第一期到第四期 |
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只要提供花蓮跟台東的就好提供花蓮跟台東第一期到第五期執行的一個計畫項目就是花蓮台東的部分 好不好另外就是說剛提到這個 |
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這個就是這次的馬太安溪驗射符所造成的,然後在,因為大家比較關心的就在光復那邊,光復那邊,事實上它這個鳳林三星這邊是馬太安溪再加上望龍,那個望里溪, |
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然後要到花蓮溪之前這個一個地方整個堤防都被沖毀了所以這個部分是一個當初我跟第九河川分署的同仁也一起去看所以這個部分也請水利署第九河川分署提供一下目前 |
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目前這個辦理的進度,因為這個現在,因為社會還在,什麼時候會再,我們是希望千萬不要,但是小小的鳳凰颱風,颱風也沒有來,就一個豪雨,又造成這個, |
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旺榮鄉 雲栗村以及鳳林鎮的長橋又造成重大的災害所以這個部分我們都必須要去加油很重要的這個部分這個是 |
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水利署這個第九河川分署在11月21號召開了這個有關花蓮溪水治理計畫花蓮溪及馬太安溪河段水道治理計畫線及用地範圍線及部的修正 |
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這個會議造成很多的鄉親的不滿最主要就是說現有的堤防現在正在加固加高然後河床也疏俊了現在要再做第二道堤防而且就會用到 |
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鄉親的土地有時候鄉親的土地有的還沒有取得所有錢就會產生他們的恐慌怎麼這樣已經加固加高了怎麼還要所以就會牽涉到這個問題所以這個部分再請你們的水利署提供相關的資料好 謝謝鄭委員 |
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接下來我們請尤浩委員 |
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好 謝謝召委先請一下主計我們請主計總書 陳副主計長我們請陳副主計長 謝謝 |
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委員好副市長你好那在今天的部分不管是前瞻五期還包括預算追加那本席還是想要先就教一下在目前前瞻五期的部分其實有許多的一個諮詢率還其實確實是需要做一個提升那以及說包括很多的一個經費在過去的前四期 |
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那有些的經費的使用上確實沒有把它完成的這些工作那本席想要先問第一這個質詢力的提升上主計總署在第五期的部分有什麼樣的一個回應那第二的話在這個剩餘的經費的部分的使用未來是不是會有類似六期的部分會來協助各縣市政府的一個地方建設 |
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跟我們報告有關執行率的部分我們每個月都在追蹤然後我們會針對執行落後的部會我們都會發文去提醒他們要積極來執行至於說前瞻第五集結束以後後續我們就回歸到年度的預算 |
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所以就不會再有第六期嗎 沒錯吧目前沒有OK 好 謝謝那我們接著來請那個抒發部我們請林部長郵委員好 |
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部長好 部長是南投竹山人是南投之光想要接著就是就交一下部長當然抒發部的許多的業務其實在交通委員會的時候其實我們都會盡量來支持是 感謝所以包括這預算的部分也同樣是本席還是想說藉這個機會的時候來就交一下部長 |
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因為在5G的部分跟數位落差那時候本席其實也有在上次您就任之後的第一次質詢來就教您說如何能夠提升尤其是在這前章5期或是今天預算的一個質詢追加的一個會議上或解凍的一個會議上我想直接請問一下部長在提升南投的數位落差的部分目前有沒有一個具體的規劃 |
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在第一個我們就是會有一個基金那就是由各個電信公司他們把他們的盈餘的部分撥出來我們有一個電信普及服務基金我們會利用電信普及服務基金裡面的錢去補助一些偏鄉的5G基地台的建設因為對這些電信公司來講他直接去那邊蓋基地台他可能不付成本 |
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我們就用基金的錢來補助他們建設另外有其他部分我們請市長補充一下尤其是今年到明年的部分有沒有具體的進度報告委員因為現在前瞻的部分中間有一部分是普及就是偏向的地方現在已經業者在申請當中是不是我們把業者因為現在業者還在申請當中申請當中以後我們把相關數據累積以後再跟委員報告說有關南投部分建設的狀況如何 |
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好 沒關係多久之內可以給我說明大概一個月之內好 一個月之內我想直接接著教教說在明年的部分在竹山鎮或是在南投的偏鄉在升級的部分有哪些鄉鎮是有把握可以來升級 |
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包委員基本上一方面是業者要有些建制然後等於公司協力的方式來協助業者那現在目前為止我們明年會跟續的編列相關的預算希望委員能夠在115年的預算額度中能夠支持 |
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針對偏鄉的部分那我支持要有成果啊是是是對南投其生數位落差又升級要有成果是是是那我們每年大概有編列四千萬的預算針對偏鄉的部分去需要的地方去協助業者來做建置每年大概有四千萬左右好 因為我就區域立委嘛也要代表南投發聲嘛是 我了解那一個月內的資料同樣給我的時候也把能夠讓南投的十三鄉鎮哪些可以來升級的部分也筆列在內好不好是是 謝謝委員 |
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好 那謝謝喔 也謝謝部長那接著請交通部次長次長 交通部我們先讓他回去了因為他們解凍案已經報告之後就結束了那交通部還有同仁在現場嗎應該是沒有現在就是經濟部會副部司法部陸委會好 時間先暫停一下好 那時間先暫停所以交通部現在沒有在現場嗎對 因為他們都還沒解凍就副組長好了副組長 好好 那一樣請陳副組長 |
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好謝謝好那本期還是針對這個交通部的部分原本是想要讓部長來簡單的來回應一下相關一個質詢率的部分下一頁 |
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那這個部分的話是執行率的部分那其實有些的話是在50%以下啦那所以說是希望說交通部這邊能夠在針對相關的局跟單位還能夠去想想辦法那同樣的這個部分也跟主計總署有相關那也希望請你轉達下一頁 |
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那這個執行率的部分零要追加的部分那當然這個部分可能也要做一些說明那也再請主計總書這邊轉達還有請交通部提供書面資料給我那最後那本席還是要在這裡也跟交通部表達一個感謝的是說在前瞻的部分有協助南投線 |
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還有在集集支線的一個通車相關的一個經費目前的話是有提升在12月底1月就要開始到集集支線集集站的通車啟用原本剛才如果交通部次長有在也讓他來宣布一下這個好消息 |
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也讓大家社會各界可以一起來集集支線未來來集集政這邊能夠來促進國內旅遊因為交通部的市長剛好已經先離開現場也藉這個機會也跟社會各界也來講一下集集支線在明年的1月5號正式通車 謝謝 |
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謝謝邱委員的邀請 謝謝接下來我們請林黛嬅委員林黛嬅委員林黛嬅委員不在場接下來我們請徐富奎委員謝謝主席有請我們副組計長還有經濟部何振賜來請何市長陳副組計長 |
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兩位午安我想先請教副組長我們昨天行政院院版的才化法很不幸在我們立法院的程序委員會被藍白以人數優勢把他暫緩立案那連讓我們行政院連這個報告討論的機會都沒有那面對這樣的一個這個波波王的困境我想副局長我們會來有沒有什麼樣的一個策略來因應 |
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當然財化主政是我們財政部但是我想我們院裡面會整體去思考這個問題我想應該會再努力來強化這個溝通我們跟縣市也持續會來希望取得共識 |
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但是面對這樣子藍白要癱瘓中央然後把錢分給這些他們自己的執政縣市的一個做法市權沒有跟著處理我想主席總署在這一年多我想也是疲於奔命面對這個困境有沒有評估我們所謂一個債務風險跟一個舉債相關的這些財政破產的一個問題 |
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就是基本上在就是這個月11月14號通過這個版本就是已經預約我們公共債務法這個要你們違法舉債嗎對所以就會你們會真的要違法舉債嗎基本上這個就有自然來行所以不會照就是目前沒有辦法照這個通過了這個版本來處理 |
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好謝謝 那我接著請那個次長次長我想我們過去我們期待這個行政院的財務法法是要把我們這個農林榆木還有一些老年人口的比例算進去之後我想對於這個整個均衡台灣的發展尤其縮短這個南北差距應該是要落實這樣的一個理念那尤其我們過去屏東次長最清楚我們包含這個治水的預算還有我們很多電纜地下化的一個工程 |
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有沒有因為這樣子的一個採劃法的不當會影響到我們這些相關的一些工程進度目前我們盡量就是說把這些會影響的部分會納到這個一般性的補助一般性的補助或計劃性的補助裡面來提供給這些相關的縣市需求來申請 |
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我知道市長問題是你手邊的籌碼都沒有了怎麼分配是怎麼處理你們要一個因應對策是所以這個部分我想我們會就是看最後這個財務法的修正的部分我們還是希望用願版的部分前委員來支持 |
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市長我想水火無情尤其這個治水不分藍綠我們當然期待這個藍白能夠支持我們行政院的裁劃法讓我們這個整個中央到地方整個財政機遇能夠維持但是我想這個未來尤其屏東我們過去治水因為我們有超前部署我們目前針對四年一千億的案子我們也做好的規劃案也已經送到我們這個院裡面到署裡面那麼我們也期待這樣子的規劃案不要因為我們 |
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財政機率被破壞之後會影響到我們整個治水工程我想這個是我們鄉親的期待也是擔憂不然每次回到風太大就不敢睡著了尤其我們沿海地區這個餘溫的整個電纜地下化的工程也是一直我一直在努力推動的一個方向我想這部分一定要努力來進行經濟部能不能加快速度一下是 我們會加快速度好 那請回我們接著請我們陸委會梁副主委 |
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14362.216 |
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| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
我們請陸委會兩副主委 |
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委員好我想針對最近國民黨立委提出這個國籍法的修正草案讓中配參政而不是用放棄國籍的規定我想這不只顛倒是非喪權辱國更是讓我們國安的門戶大開這個不是人權的擴張跟多元的融合而是赤裸裸的破壞我們台灣的法律跟安全的界線副主委怎麼看這個事情 |
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14402.331 |
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國際法第20條的規定就是所有凡是擁有雙重國籍你就在任公職就必須要放棄外國籍這個很清楚他的基本精神就是要維持公職人員對政府效忠的單一性我們再三強調就是說 |
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如果你同時擁有另外一個國家的國籍然後以中共來講它的法律譬如說它的國家安全法的第77條它的反間諜法的第8條跟第16條都有規定 |
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有中華人民共和國的公民他必須要提供因應國家安全活動的線索還要提供證據然後要協助反間諜的作為等等那如果這樣的就是說他如果同時兼具我們公職人員身份的話他在法律義務上面他會有衝突 |
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他會要怎麼說他一方面要對中華人民共和國效忠他必須要提供這些情報的證據但是他這樣做他又違反了我們自己的我們自己中華民國的規定所以我們從保護的角度來說不希望看到這樣的狀況 |
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不希望看到這樣的狀況所以我們認為國際法第20條的單一效忠還是應該要維持我們應該堅守捍衛這個原則啦好 謝謝謝謝許委員接下來我們請林倩琦委員林倩琦委員不在場接下來我們請羅美玲委員羅美玲委員不在場 |
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我們請下一位李博義委員有請衛福部次長 莊次長我們請莊次長 |
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14543.352 |
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14555.818 |
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市長我過去一直很關心從106年開始從蔡英文政府開始我們一直把這些長照要進入市進入這個社區的這個政策 |
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那所以過去我也在高雄市左營跟南子的大街小巷那也協助每一個法人協助每一個社團協助每一個里長那協助每一條巷弄的這些長輩們那也不斷的讓長輩清楚了解知道這個C據點它可以協助你的健康什麼那也對於很多有心投入從 |
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14605.037 |
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從醫療單位的護理人員也有心出來投入B據點這個B據點可以為長輩們帶來哪一些服務以及可以為家裡有長輩的家屬們帶來哪一些服務其實我們是非常的投入當然A據點它已經是比較專業醫療單位等等的 |
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那所以在這邊今天藉由我們財政來聯席的這個委員會針對前瞻的五期的這些解列的項目我想要請就教一下次長目前你認為這個據點的城鄉差距比如說我來自高雄市其實高雄市在前三年這個C據點的量衝得非常非常快 |
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那有一些比如說台北市那它可能就沒有那麼多量它的原因在什麼我們有沒有做過相關的這些探討跟研究以及 |
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以及高雄市現在量這麼多我也會主張我們不要再以這些里為單位因為落到地方政府很容易就以里為單位高雄市很多里 它的里別比如說左營有一些里現在正在做這些劃分有4萬人一里 有3萬人一里 有2萬人一里 |
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那其他的比較舊部落的據點它可能是五百個人一里一千個人一里那這些五百個一千的這些長輩做得很好的時候在高樓林立的這些三萬人 兩萬人 四萬人的這些里其實可以 |
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可以跟地方政府溝通大量的增加來增加這些服務的效能我常跟長輩們開玩笑說你們在家都不是誰在照顧你們都是電視在照顧你們都看電視或者是讓電視看所以我其實一直在推動很高興今天也有這個機會可以來跟衛福部這邊做一個政策的討論 |
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C句點其實我們更應該更鼓勵他們有非常非常多的這些比如說接送服務 喘息服務甚至洗澡整理家務等等的這一些一步一步讓這些自認為還很年輕身體很勇健不需要人家幫忙的這些長輩慢慢接受政府的這個長照的照顧所以我想要請問次長 |
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對於我剛提出的幾個問題有沒有這些對於我們好不容易推行讓長輩在社區裡面可以安老健康安老的這個政策會可以執行的更久那我們還需要哪一些資源 |
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報告委員,我們主要長照據點的部分,我們是先以村裡據點,先求有再求好更多。有些地方如果說不夠的話,當然就是我們會鼓勵地方政府來再跟我們申請,就是說做更多的據點,我們也非常歡迎。 |
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這個部分我們會再往這方面來努力 |
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我希望這個政策其實已經推行到現在已經好幾年了不要留於去比較說去年補助給可能高雄市來申請的補助是多少你這個據點是多少不要留於量我也希望衛福部長照師這一邊可以對於這個值的部分真的可以下去參考一下或者是看一下我們還有什麼可以多做的事情這個是我今天最主要質詢的目的謝謝 |
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另外也有一些相關的技職學校他其實也已經跟我們長照師這邊有一些合作那我覺得這也是一個非常好的趨勢從高中職開始就開始有這些技職學校已經投入這些相關的服務那我們也會持續結合社區學校以及我們衛福部長照師這邊可以提供給我們所有社區的老長輩們 |
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一個比較可以在社區安老健康安老的一個環境 謝謝好 謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝李委員接下來我們請莊瑞雄委員莊瑞雄委員莊瑞雄委員不在場我們下一位請賴瑞榮委員謝主席 我請財政部的謝次長 |
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財政部已經先回去了因為他們案子已經報告完就解凍了所以不在那問一下主計總處的陳副主計長有在 主計總處陳副主計長 |
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我想請教一下一樣是採劃法的問題當然採劃法院版現在提出來了我個人認為院版相較於過去藍白所主導的國會下所通過的版本我認為區間來得更公平也對於中南部的縣市更合理公平一些我不知道副組長怎麼看 |
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基本上我們就是院版我們就去處理了一個公式的問題還有垂直分配水平分配的問題那另外這一次11月14號通過的它又衍生了其他的問題在這一次我們院版裡面都希望一併能夠都把它解決那我請教一下好不好這個院裡面這個版本的時候跟地方政府都有做過溝通對不對 |
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對因為財政部他在這個過程當中已經開過跟地方政府開過六次的會議開過六次的會議那有哪些縣市反對嗎對院版的部分反對會有疑慮的嗎 |
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因為財政部之前在提的時候應該是說各個地方政府對於這個指標當然就是說會爭取對自己比較有利的指標但是縣市也了解就是說沒有辦法完全都是照自己的想法的這個指標所以這個目前的版本就是最大的共識 |
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所以應該多數的縣市都是支持對不對多數縣市都是支持這個不可能做到每一個都滿意的因為國家的財政就是這麼多大家都希望多一點沒有人希望自己少的那甚至於多的如果別人多的比例比你更高但有的人就會覺得好像又對我又不夠所以這個本來就很困難所以才會20幾年沒辦法完成審議那完成修法 所以 |
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這只要能夠得到多數的支持就相當的不容易所以我們也認為這個應該要盡速來進到委員會包括到院會委員會來審議我覺得這個國家的財政是一個長遠的問題不管是垂直分配 水平分配等等都應該是要加速來進行的所以我們也希望這個早點來進行審議跟推動畢竟比現行的絕對會我們認為會好很多 |
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我個人是認為其實這個採劃法原來藍白所主導通過立法院的採劃法其實它對台北當然相當有利它有一些指標的部分其實對台北市是很有利的不管是營業額的部分或者是人口或者是相關的一些數字上面其實反倒對南部的土地面積大 農業人口 |
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農業的部分或者是老年人口甚至於整個工業指數 污染等等這個沒有納進來或放的比例低的時候對南部是相當不公平的我不知道副組機長同意這樣的看法嗎是 就是說這一次院版的財務法就是有充分去考量個別縣市的一個貢獻比如委員剛剛所提的比如說在農林漁牧方面或者是它在工業方面的付出 |
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以及它讓有污染的產業在它的當地它所必須得到的貢獻我們希望透過這一次能夠得到一些分配所以就整個那我再請教一下因為有的人會去質疑說到目前為止好像一些詳細的數字還沒有算出來院版的部分這個部分主席總署有計算出來了嗎 |
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就是說主要就是還是必須統籌分配稅這個部分要先算出來因為主計總署負責的是配套的一般性補助款跟計劃型補助那目前財政部針對統籌分配稅款的這個部分目前是還在試算當中還沒有算出來 |
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所以還在試算當中不過如果從整個指標跟所有的一些來看的話院版的相較於其他的縣市來說其實相對會是比較公平的一個版本是 我們認為這個已經經過這麼多次的會議就是最大的共識也比較充分的去考量每一個不同的縣市它的貢獻所以我們認為是比較有均衡的照顧到各個縣市 |
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所以即使數字還沒完全出來但是整個大略的方向上面應該是比較有利於全台灣各縣市的一個均衡發展 |
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是 尤其這個是製作面是長長久久另外我們看到這一次的願滿裁判法裡面有一個也很重要的重點就是在於它除了溢出給地方的創下一個新的金額創下新高以外其實它有要求了三項的總額合計不得低於114年我覺得這也是一個重要的指標就表示說至少它承諾你未來你的數額不會低於2025年114年一個金額我想這也是一個重要的指標 |
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副主席想同意這樣的看法嗎就是院版的裁划法是保障統籌費稅跟一般性補助款不低於114年目前它的版本是這樣我們也希望立法院盡快來審議能夠盡快來通過讓各縣市能夠更均衡的一個發展好 謝謝賴委員 |
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好謝謝接下來請柯之恩柯之恩委員不在接下來請陳金輝陳金輝陳金輝委員不在接下來請蘇巧慧蘇巧慧蘇巧慧委員不在接下來請陳昭之陳昭之陳昭之委員不在蘇巧慧剛剛念過了 |
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好 蘇喬惠委員不在接下來請黃婕 黃婕 黃婕委員不在接下來請蘇清泉 蘇清泉 蘇清泉委員不在接下來請王美惠 王美惠 王美惠委員不在接下來請何新淳 何新淳 何新淳委員不在接下來請李坤澄召委發言 |
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15285.258 |
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謝謝主席我們請衛福部我們的次長好請次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
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15312.631 |
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這個黃子嬌她持有2,259部的少年的性影像剛開始是被檢方醫違反兒童及少年性剝削防治條例被起訴一審是判決8月的徒刑病科罰金10萬元然後她上訴上訴之後11月25號她說 |
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15316.253 |
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已經跟全部的被害人達成和解高等法院改依違反個人資料保護法判決一年六個月的徒刑緩刑四年請教一下次長你怎麼看這個判決那當然是可以上訴啦因為應該是說 |
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我們管的是屬於那個兒少法的那一塊啦是啊所以剛開始起訴的時候就是用兒少法嘛對不對而且我們在去年七月的時候還特別通過了一個我們稱之為黃子交的條款啊對不對我們把這個兒少性剝削防治條例我們做了一個修正無故下載付費購買持有付費關染兒少性影像者處一年以上七年以下有期徒刑那結果呢 |
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這個高等法院現在只判他違反各支法沒有用到這個違反這個兒少性剝削的防治條例市長你怎麼看我們都已經修法了對 所以我們應該是說要再去看這個到底他那個審判的那個到底是為什麼會改判成這個個人資料法另外一個是說據我所知因為他有去和解所以當然 |
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我們的那個是跟和解是沒有關但是他因為有去和解所以他就沒有解和解就可以判緩刑嗎應該是沒有啦這個部分我還要再去了解那如果說和解可以判緩刑的話那有錢人都可以透過和解的方式 |
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那如果是像黃子教這一種的他有錢 他可以去跟被害人和解他宣稱跟所有的被害人和解我們不知道說被害人有多少位有些是不願意也不敢站出來的那這些人怎麼去做和解呢 |
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15451.669 |
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所以說就是有一些團體他們認為說如果用這個所謂的用和解的這方式然後讓這個外界會覺得說那和解就可以輕判了那和解就可以輕易脫罪了那不是會變成這樣子嗎對 但是在我們兒少法它和解事實上是並不能免其罪這個是據我所知只是說法官會因為這樣子而稍微判輕而已 對 |
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對啊 那就很奇怪啦然後他也不用這個兒少性剝削的防治條例改用這一個個資法看起來刑度好像是加重了 |
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對啊 但是為什麼不用這個兒少防治條例我們去年才修法通過的我們會再去了解對啊 因為這個案子這樣判出來很多人不滿第一個我們立法院已經做了修法通過了第二個 結果你也不用這個兒少防治條例你是用違反個資法然後因為他說已經有錢可以跟被害者和解然後就判緩刑這樣子社會大眾是無法諒解的 |
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我覺得就這部分的話衛福部要有一個態度出來因為我看這個昨天判決出來衛福部也沒有任何的態度好不好 要有一個態度出來那有哪些還要修法不足的部分衛福部也要一併說出來好不好好 謝謝市長接下來我們請陸委會梁副主委請梁副主委 |
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15540.04 |
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委員好副主委如果按照國民黨他們所提案的國籍法就是中配參政不適用放棄國籍的規定請教一下一個比較極端的情況如果習近平他娶了台灣人成為中配他可不可以來參選中華民國的總統 |
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15543.651 |
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15571.748 |
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就邏輯上來講總統是一定不行因為我們政府總統選舉罷免法明確有把規劃人士還有港澳大陸籍人士排除掉所以選總統不行那選立法委員可不可以選立法委員的話他按照我們兩岸條例第21條他如果設有戶籍滿10年他可以登記為公職候選人 |
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對可以登記為公職候選人也就是說他可以選對但是按照目前國籍法他要放棄中華人民共和國國籍嘛對不對他如果選上了以後選上了以後一年之內一年之內他要放棄他要放棄然後如果按照國民黨的修法他就不用放棄了是不是是 沒有錯所以就邏輯來講的話 |
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他如果有取得參選的這個權利習近平也可以來參選中華民國立法委員就對了如果他取得一個台灣人的話他如果要經過疫情拘留長居等等取得台灣人身份他是可以選的我只是要凸顯國民黨修改國際法的荒謬因為我們都知道說國際法就是要對國家要忠誠 |
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對啊 所以我只是藉這個案子來凸顯當然習近平他不會娶一個台灣人然後在這邊住十年然後取得這個參政權但是國民黨的修改國際法就會出現這種荒謬性是好 謝謝 謝謝副主委謝謝好 謝謝 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].start |
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15676.824 |
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接下来请万美林委员不在场下一位许志杰委员不在场下一位林楚英委员不在场下一位邱若华委员不在场 |
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15707.575 |
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下一位 陳俊宇委員 陳俊宇委員 陳俊宇委員不在場下一位 王世堅委員 王世堅委員 王世堅委員不在場下一位 鍾嘉斌委員 鍾嘉斌委員 鍾嘉斌委員不在場下一位 陳冠廷委員 陳冠廷委員 陳冠廷委員不在場下一位 王定宇委員 王定宇委員 王定宇委員不在場下一位 陳玉珍委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].start |
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15726.186 |
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謝謝主席 你請那個經濟部來 請經濟部何次長次長好 委員好這個今年3月間的時候這個台電公司為了合理化撥補1000億的這個特別預算有把我們離島供電補貼拉下來 拉下水說因為台電要負擔離島供電虧損所以造成台電的財務壓力沉重但事實上不是這樣子的 |
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15749.895 |
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15763.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
這個離島監視條例第十四條規定離島的用水用電比照台灣本島平均費率收取其營運因依該項費率收取至產生之合理虧損由中央目的事業主管機關審核後編列預算撥補資那藍瑜是免收 |
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15769.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
15790.231 |
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那這個離島供電的虧損應該是由經濟部與公務預算支應請問你們經濟部有沒有按照法律的規定每年編列公務預算給台電之前有嗎我們明年有編不是明年 以前有沒有因為台電公司台電公司說虧損是因為這個 |
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15800.591 |
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因為離島供電虧損嘛那依照法律離島的這個錢你們經濟部本來就每一年應該編啊所以你們以前每一年都沒編啊 |
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以前沒有編列所以是今年才開始由人員署來編列嗎明年開始明年才開始編列嗎對那我請問您李老介紹第14條從民國89年3月21號就制定了那個時候開始就要編列預算來撥補這個部分為什麼經濟部都一直不履行法律義務然後要台電來自行吸收為什麼依法要編列啊 |
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15846.959 |
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跟委員報告因為這個其實有一個差價公示公示算得出來每一年都算得出來89年到現在你看難怪台電會說它虧損然後變成好像是我們離島的時候事實上法律有給你授權就是要編列 |
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對不對所以我們那個差價有在電價那現在是不是明年115年度開始每一年都會依法編列呢這個離島供電虧損的補貼給台電是不是就會依法編列不要讓台電這樣子好像變成是我們的事情然後是不是持續的這個會持續的這個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
15879.286 |
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加強宣導 落實節能節電好好 謝謝您那個衛福部有來嗎來 我們請莊市長委員好市長好是這前幾天有一些熱心的企業他制正一些醫療接待給金門醫院我們部立金門醫院那部立金門醫院在金門上我們金門縣政府編列預算來做補貼嘛由我們地方預算來補貼給中央對吧 |
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| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
金門醫院醫師雖然不錯但是醫療設備比不上台灣島所以民眾如果要做特別檢查常常要兩地奔波根據我們金門衛生局的資料今年仍然在幫就是金門縣政府到了今年還在幫部立金門醫院充實醫療設備包括4K內視鏡影像系統心臟內科高階超音波的這些掃描儀 |
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15936.382 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].end |
15956.041 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
為什麼部立金門醫院它沒有辦法自己辨略這些東西呢應該說部立醫院它們應該基本唯一的一間醫院是我想這個部分我會再請我們的部立醫院在如果需要的話可以往上公報是它們沒有告訴你嗎還是怎樣 |
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15958.501 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].end |
15975.866 |
| transcript.whisperx[604].text |
這我不太確定是好 請你盤點一下金門不利院到底缺哪一些醫療設備是不是可以一次的全面性的盤點有的過低階的是不是換一點高階的設備那我們的相信不用那麼奔波那採購哪一些醫療設備可以讓醫療有更多的選擇一個月內可以盤點給我嗎好 謝謝那個陸委會謝謝請梁副主委 |
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| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
16014.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
我們金門這個那個小三通入出境旅客突破很多啦那已經增加比去年同期增加50萬人因為已經開放入客觀光了那這個旅遊航線算是現在蠻熱的那1月15號新的這個通關大樓要開始了那請問那個通關大樓開始以後那現在小三通航班不足是不是這個部分的航港局還有金門縣政府還有相關的都一直寫公文來要求說可以增班另外這個航港局那個部分對不對 |
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| transcript.whisperx[606].end |
16034.261 |
| transcript.whisperx[606].text |
這個可以加班的部分航班加班的部分是不是可以來跟我們協助一下關於航班加班的事情我們都會跟航港局航港局已經來跟我說陸委會的問題還有另外一個落地簽 入客落地簽的部分這個以前也都有嘛那如果新的到開始是不是也開始來做安排這個這樣入客過來旅遊就比較方便了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
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陸客的落地簽過去本來就是因為緊急的有一些緊急狀況我們就會給他落地簽你不了解情形不是這樣子在疫情以前的話落地簽是一個很普遍的狀況因為來旅遊嘛這是以前就有的之後來疫情中斷了那又從頭開始嘛 |
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所以您去研究一下落地簽還有研究一下加班的部分 好嗎航班的問題好 再請陸委會研究一下我們會研究一個月的回望我已經問過好多次了 謝謝好 謝謝陳委員接下來我們請吳思耀委員吳思耀委員吳思耀委員不在場張祺凱委員張祺凱委員張祺凱委員不在場下一位洪孟凱委員 |
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主席謝謝 麻煩我先請速發部 衛福部跟教育部教育部已經先回去了 他們已經解凍了我們請速發部還有衛福部來 委員好部長跟我們次長本席今天要問的就是之前我在我們交通委員會的時候有質詢過我們速發部部長 |
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就是說現在我們到底國內煙品合法合法的煙品有辦法哪些次長 我們先回答一下好不好目前煙品合法的煙品煙品 一般的紫煙還有加熱煙紫煙跟加熱煙 對不對對…但即便是紫煙加熱煙它是合法可以在國內販售但它也不可能在網路上購買是…也沒有辦法在網路上購買 對…對不對 因為它會有年齡的限制是…好 那電子煙呢 |
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電子菸現在是禁止的禁止的 對好 可是我們之前也請同仁大家也都查過如果說要查Google打電子菸三個字其實它比想像中要取得還要容易我們有盡量就是說跟這個有注意到這個問題因為這個議題我覺得很多的國小 國中的家長也跟本席一直在反映也認為是說這是一個不管是漏洞 不管是缺口不管是惡習 |
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那但是這是絕對沒有辦法允許嘛尤其是我們看到說電子菸為什麼你們之前允許加熱菸不允許電子菸最主要原因是因為電子菸它裡面的膠油毒品氾濫甚至會造成毒品濫用的一個狀況但沒想到Google你打電子菸都還是可以搜尋得到那些官方網站而且現在官方網站有一些可能有開始有遮蔽但是還是有一些實體的店面它會跳出來 |
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反而這樣子的狀況是讓大家覺得是我們止煙加熱煙結果我還要去查身分證件我還不能有穿制服的學生去購買因為便利商店通路都還要擔起這樣的一個責任但沒想到不合法電子煙反而是暢通無語不用檢查身分證件我那時候問過速發部說那你能不能跟相關社群媒體平台來溝通他說沒有辦法 |
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我們目前其實應該是說有跟就是說如果有人我們也會用Keyword來Search如果有發現的話我們會請網站的所有人請他們在一定的時間把他下線我覺得最簡單的因為這個議題已經討論了為什麼今天會在這邊我想利用這個跨部會就是讓幾個部會選為什麼會想教育部因為教育部他有認為是說這個問題很嚴峻 |
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為什麼國小 國中 高中現在吸食電子菸 吸食加熱菸的比例越來越增加甚至毒品國外研究有講是說電子菸也好 加熱菸也好它可能就會是進入毒品的第一個階段 |
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最好大家都不應該抽菸但是如果說有的話應該合法以及非法部分要區分清楚那國內現在是合法是止菸跟加熱菸那電子菸沒有可是你再去查一下那相關還有更重要的是Google很簡單嘛 |
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最大宗大家搜尋Google大家搜尋幾個這個大型的拍賣網站那這一些網站其實照理講早就應該要有建立管道啦應該是那些網站要來協助我們來做一個遮蔽而不是我們再來去搜尋這關鍵字我覺得有些時候我們公務員很我也為大家來感到不屈 |
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報區跟同情答辯是我們多做很多工作人家廣告關鍵字可以排在前面是為什麼他搜尋是付錢的我們反而是要幫他把關但照理講那些東西是違法的他就不應該出現在搜尋網站上面不應該出現在拍賣網站上面 |
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來我們事實上也有跟這個電商這邊有溝通過那他們的說法是說因為這個是這是別人放上別人的網站他們只是去連結而已對所以這個部分所以我們是要求他們就說一旦我們有發現的話必須要在一定的時限把它下架 |
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如果沒有下架我們就會遮蔽所以我現在講說不是我們有發現他才應該要下架而應該是他主動就不應該上架他有技術 他有法僱 他有賺錢結果怎麼會是我們的人要去幫忙好 我們就講嘛 |
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槍枝在我們台灣算不算合法的商品不算吧除了特殊的原住民等等的部分槍枝我們台灣沒有開放嘛那我們有可能Google搜尋搜尋得到槍枝買賣嗎不可能嘛那如果說非法的東西在那網站上面不可能搜尋到拍賣的話那怎麼會電子菸可以搜尋得到而且上面還有什麼買千送百很多口味任君挑選 |
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那這些不是變成是我們不是那些社群媒體平台我們不是那些搜尋網站的SEIHAN蘇發部長是技術上絕對沒有問題吧看什麼樣的技術你如果當然要屏蔽譬如說電子菸的Keyword的話那我們今天所有質詢這個也搜尋不到 |
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新聞跟商品可以這樣子開玩笑嗎不是 部長你這樣回答太輕夫了如果說你要這樣講的話那就變成是說連衛福部衛福部的那個電子菸的宣導都看不到但不是嘛本席現在從頭到尾講的就是那一些販賣的網站嘛我們同仁有沒有看過有沒有跟我們部長講過不要那麼天高黃地遠不要那麼做冷氣房好嗎 |
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有沒有看過 那還笑好笑嗎委員因為你之前一直講說要用關鍵字屏蔽那我現在又講的就是說我很認真的講 關鍵字屏蔽實在是必須做到很精準本席講的是怎麼會出現他們的拍賣網站怎麼會出現他們的官方網站如果說他的官方網站可以占到搜尋第一頁那就是有問題了嗎不是嗎 |
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你不認為這問題很嚴重是不是這問題很嚴重 是 昭偉謝謝你就是因為這個問題很嚴重我相信昭偉一定也被學校的家長們提過為什麼我們的小孩可以輕易的拿到結果一個速發部講這種話我都還肯定剛剛衛福部次長的回答請速發部再給你一個詳細的說明 |
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因為短短的時間技術做得到不要互推皮球該遮蔽要遮蔽要看什麼樣的技術我們絕對會負責林部長再跟紅衛員說明一下因為時間很短組織單位是衛福部但是我希望是速發部能夠積極認識來協助衛福部溝通把這樣的一個遮蔽做好 |
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好謝謝好謝謝洪委員謝謝謝謝委員接下來好謝謝接下來我們請省發會委員省發會委員省發會委員不在場下一位劉建國委員好謝謝主席有請經濟部次長還有能源署的副署長來請何次長 |
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市長請教一下上山州立法院三讀通過環評委的修正案那最後是以在野的版本來通過然後經濟部第一時間就出來喊遺憾這個版本過度嚴格那本席就針對這一點要請教你哪裡嚴格會造成什麼影響簡單就好因為時間有限 |
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跟委員報告因為有許多的一些這種農戶或是說家裡自用的這些用戶他如果未來達到一定坪數100平方公尺以上就要送返品的話那我想這些對這些自用戶的話是一個很大的一個行政成本好 這其一 還有沒有其二 |
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那如果沒有我就直接講嘛你說你願意用國民黨的版本來協商但沒有成嘛然後現在在你們口中最嚴格的版本經濟部有沒有評估過那接下來對於大型的地面光電風電發電會造成多少衝擊有沒有具體的數字 |
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我們有評估過就是說如果按照這個版本通過的話我想我們本來這個這個2026年11月要達成這個綠電20%的這個目標可能要延後 延後一點最大衝擊要延後 落差可能將近有幾% |
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這部分的話會有世俗的在政策沒辦法達到產業沒辦法完成然後所有的業者是沒有辦法有足夠的綠電那現在正在評估至少保守會延後一年以上的時間來達成 |
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所以數字還沒辦法估出來目前還沒辦法很明確的估出來多久的時間可以估出來這個要容許我們大概一個月左右一個月可以估出來我們要再了解所有的法規相關的執法制度下去會比較明確 |
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好 你們的經濟部通常受訪時是承認影響是確定的嘛 大家都知道那具體多少的影響要初步評估也要一個月時間那主導權雖然是在環境部那我想能源是你們在管嘛具體什麼時候你會去跟環境部溝通去了解 去協調 |
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一個禮拜內吧應該是要加緊腳步現在地面型因為環評法的卡關根據貴部所講的策略要轉向加大力道推動屋頂型的光電甚至於要推到民居的屋頂這聽起來好像路不轉人轉當然也是可以朝這個方向來做研議不過我看起來有點舍近求遠這個報導應該無誤是不是這樣 社長 |
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市長我在之前在7月的時候甚至更早郭部長還在任的時候我都特別有特別去提醒你們現在經濟部的眼睛已經看到這個民宅的這個屋頂那我就要追蹤今年7月16更早之前我還有追喔還有追就是說當時我希望你們去重視太陽能熱水區的這樣的補助還是說什麼樣的一個獎勵的措施我沒有設限就當時為什麼要107年把它取消掉那現在為什麼 |
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因為我們要求提高整個太陽能的占比為什麼這個不考慮那你們7月16號答戶我垂詢完之後答戶我發了一張公文就說什麼這個因為太陽能熱水器相關的體系產業發展健全所以在107年就截止補助然後7月16號的時候對不起這之前的公文7月16號之後文字從頭到尾通通一模一樣把健全改為什麼改為成熟了 |
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還是把成熟改為健全啊市長你覺得這樣答覆我有道理嗎你現在已經在看人家的處庭了 |
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你要看這個嗎 這第一點第一點如果說不管是健全 穩定 穩健那我請教你為什麼冷氣 為什麼冰箱你們持續還補助不停我現在也沒有要求說你們就針對這個部分做補助有相關的盈利措施提高你們的綠能的占比你或許用獎勵它可以減少多少的瓦斯的燃燒它可以減少多少電力的這樣的支出 |
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然後讓使用者覺得他能光電又可以配合政府的政策為什麼你們一年多來打護我就是在那邊鬧彎然後文字就變成健全跟穩定這個市長你覺得這樣打護我有道理嗎這張公文有清過你的桌上嗎 |
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我跟委員報告一下我們這個補助的方式是不是容我們回去再研議一下我講一年多了 次長你今天還要再研議你們經濟部在兩年前的整個主改是在誰的手上升級的 你知道嗎這是我的故事 |
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在華智委員會我當時在鼓勵你們說你們針對家用的這些電器你們持續不斷的在做這樣的一個補助那這個你們107年把它取消掉的熱水器的這樣補助奇怪 |
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再推綠能再推燙能光電為什麼你們要把它取消掉然後我問你們一年多怎麼答覆我公文的文字就改兩個字你覺得這樣對一個國會的議員有夠尊重嗎你們對於產業的整體的這樣的一個發展有用心嗎你們要提高 |
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現在因為環評法然後看到人民百姓的屋頂的時候回過頭來想到這個熱水器為什麼連一個思考連一個盤整連提供相關的數據出來都不願意做 |
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院長知道嗎 總統知道這事情嗎市長 最短的時間趕快去跟劉委員報告好 我現在跟劉委員溝通一下我只希望市長你回答我一句話我剛剛講的有沒有道理而且呼而你們現在已經要朝向這個居民的屋頂的這個面向去擴充 去處理 |
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這方向能不能一併來做思考不一定叫補助 獎勵也是可以我這樣講的方向你能接受嗎 可以可以嘛 不要再回我穩定健全好不好因為現在來看就是不穩定 更不健全而且你必須要提高你們的綠領的占比這個絕對可以幫助你們在這個占比的提升 可以吧可以一個星期內 是好 謝謝 謝謝謝偉好 謝謝劉委員 |
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16956.066 |
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16983.429 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
接下来我们请王振旭委员王振旭委员王振旭委员不在场今日登记发言委员均已询答完毕针对中央政府前瞻基础建设计划第五期特别预算解冻案包括经济部主管一案卫生福利部主管一案数位发展部主管两案请问在场委员有无异议有没有异议 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].start |
16985.485 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
17010.667 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
沒有異議 好 沒有異議 通過審查完略准與動之 提報院會好 針對114年度中央政府總預算追加預算解凍案包括大陸委員會議案及經濟部主管案請問在場委員有無異議請問在場委員有無異議沒有 好 通過 |
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17012.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
17014.815 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
審查完畢 準以動之提報院會本次會議做如下決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].start |
17021.072 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
17048.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
一 报告说明及询答完毕二 委员质询未及答复或请补充资讯请相关部会于一周内以书面答复委员另要求席限者从即锁定三 委员林一锦 林楚音 苏巧慧 沈发慧 陈昭之 庄瑞雄 陈素月蔡奇昌 鲁明哲 王定宇 牛许婷 邱逸盈王玉敏 卢宪一 黄建豪 苏清泉 罗美林 王美慧吴思瑶 王振旭 陈金辉 钟嘉斌 王世坚所提书面质询 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].start |
17048.959 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
17077.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
列入記錄刊登公報並請相關部會以書面答覆是針對中央政府前瞻基礎建設計劃第五期特別預算解凍案三十二案及一百一十四年度中央政府總預算追加預算解凍案八案均處理完均準與動之提報院會請問各位委員針對以上決議有無異議無異議通過 |
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17078.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].end |
17103.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
五 令本次會議議事錄授權由本席核定後確定請問各位委員有無異議請問各位委員有無異議沒有異議通過好 本次會議議程已進行完畢還有不在場委員補題書面質詢一併列入記錄刊登公報並請議事人員協助處理謝謝所有與會官員還有在場的委員散會 |
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17109.275 |
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17110.998 |
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謝謝 謝謝 |