| IVOD_ID |
170685 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170685 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-22 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-22T15:18:21+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-22T15:31:43+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:22 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/7469000803f9b6aab42818ecaf0f5f58a27d63d5dbb97eb2cbdc4b7b6a2df22160397b764e3c89ef5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊曜 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:18:21 - 15:31:43 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
（變更議程）立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：（上午9時起）
邀請衛生福利部部長、行政院食品安全辦公室、行政院消費者保護處、經濟部、法務部、國防部及教育部就「致癌食用油成因、流向、稽查、資訊公開、風險評估、團體訴訟、求償機制，行政法律究責、未來具體改進措施及期程等事宜」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
邀請衛生福利部部長、行政院食品安全辦公室、教育部及農業部就「近期發布《農藥殘留容許量標準》(如其中蘋果芬普寧藥殘標準從0.5ppm放寬至3.0ppm等)之各項依據及修正標準」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
討論事項
一、審查行政院函送財團法人國家衛生研究院115年度工作計畫及收支預算案。
二、審查衛生福利部函送財團法人醫院評鑑暨醫療品質策進會等9家財團法人115年度預算書案。
【以上專題報告及預算案綜合詢答；預算案，僅詢答，115年7月30日下午5時截止收案】
（下午2時30分起，若上午議程尚未結束，待結束後接續召開）
三、繼續審查及審查「國民年金法部分條文修正草案」等73案。
(一)繼續審查行政院函請審議「國民年金法部分條文修正草案」案。
(二)繼續審查委員何欣純等17人擬具「國民年金法第五十四條之一及第五十五條條文修正草案」案。
(三)繼續審查委員邱鎮軍等17人擬具「國民年金法第十五條及五十四條之一條文修正草案」案。
(四)繼續審查委員王美惠等18人擬具「國民年金法第五十四條之一條文修正草案」案。
(五)繼續審查委員劉建國等16人擬具「國民年金法第五十四條之一條文修正草案」案。
......（完整內容，詳見議事日程）
(六十四)審查委員高金素梅等18人擬具「國民年金法第三十一條、第五十三條及第五十四條之一條文修正草案」案。
(六十五)審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等17人擬具「國民年金法部分條文修正草案」案。
(六十六)審查委員林宜瑾等22人擬具「國民年金法部分條文修正草案」案。
(六十七)審查委員陳菁徽等18人擬具「國民年金法部分條文修正草案」案。
(六十八)審查委員賴士葆等25人擬具「國民年金法第五十四條之一條文修正草案」案。
(六十九)審查委員廖偉翔等21人擬具「國民年金法第三十九條、第三十九條之一及第四十條條文修正草案」案。
(七十)審查委員涂權吉等18人擬具「國民年金法第五十四條之一條文修正草案」案。
(七十一)審查委員林思銘等17人擬具「國民年金法第十五條、第三十一條及第五十條條文修正草案」案。
(七十二)審查國民黨黨團擬具「國民年金法第三十九條、第三十九條之一及第四十條條文修正草案」案。
(七十三)審查委員游顥等16人擬具「國民年金法部分條文修正草案」案。
【逐條討論，不詢答】） |
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0 |
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3.44 |
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搞不好,我先把調查身nk |
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3.44 |
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15.26 |
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我連續看了各種媒體提供,相當иход認真的 password,b站內 describes 黑客關係的分派 |
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19.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].end |
27.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].text |
同學,ской慢慢打開運送a鐵鐵,但百敗萬禍 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].start |
27.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].end |
28.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].start |
29.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].end |
31.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].text |
謝謝主席 主席請一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].start |
31.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].end |
34.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].text |
一策會執行長是不是 董事長下午沒來 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].start |
34.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].end |
36.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
執行長 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
42.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
43.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
43.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
45.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
執行長好 因為今天也 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
45.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
47.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
我們也審查你們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
47.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
49.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
做預算審查的 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
49.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
51.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
大體詢答啦齁 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
51.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
53.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
所以 簡單問你幾個問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
54.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
57.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
我立委才幹世界而已 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
57.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
60.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
所以還沒有學會政治語言 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
60.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
63.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
我問的大概都是真正的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
63.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
64.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
第二個問題就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
64.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
66.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
一策會因為最主要的 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
68.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
70.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
有一項最主要的工作是 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
70.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
72.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
醫院評鑑 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
72.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
73.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
73.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
76.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
我請問一下 先請問一個問題就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
76.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
78.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
你們在醫院評鑑上 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
78.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
80.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
能不能 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
80.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
82.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
做更 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
82.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
84.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
更簡化的 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
86.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
88.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
就是最少文書處理的方面 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
88.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
90.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
因為這個對於很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
90.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
93.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
很多小型醫院其實是一件 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
93.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
95.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
是一件很大的負擔 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
95.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
96.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
有沒有辦法 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
96.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
100.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
就是怎麼精進評鑑作業 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
100.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
102.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
你有沒有什麼想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
102.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
104.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
有 跟委員報告 那我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
104.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
106.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
部長上次說了 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
106.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
108.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
我們要變成6年評鑑一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
108.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
110.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
不是 我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
110.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
112.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
我覺得 延長連線 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
112.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
115.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
跟我現在問的問題是兩件事 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
115.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
117.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
我還沒講完 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
117.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
119.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
就是部長也交代我們要減少 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
119.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
121.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
不必要的這些文書作業 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
121.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
124.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
那減少大家的作業 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
124.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
126.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
那其實我也是醫師出身 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
126.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
129.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
所以我也知道我以前也被評鑑過 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
129.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
131.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
所以我們都了解評鑑有一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
131.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
134.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
大家有一些覺得太多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
134.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
136.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
一些不必要的這個流程 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
136.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
138.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
我們現在在未來的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
138.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
140.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
新的一輪的評鑑中 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
140.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
142.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
我們有新的評鑑制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
142.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
144.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
還有新的評鑑的條文 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
144.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
146.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
通通都會朝這些方向 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
146.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
148.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
目前有沒有進度 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
148.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
150.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
有 有現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
150.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
153.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
因為你也當 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
153.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
154.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
也是醫生 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
154.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
155.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
然後也接受過評鑑 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
155.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
156.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
你應該知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
156.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
158.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
這個對於很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
158.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
160.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
特別是中小型的醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
160.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
162.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
人力上本來就不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
162.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
164.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
那好 這個你們要持續 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
164.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
167.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
那個我還是就 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
167.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
169.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
醫學中心的評鑑 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
169.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
171.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
這個我剛才為什麼說 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
171.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
172.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
我說真話 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
172.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
175.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
因為這個問題我問過好幾次 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
175.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
178.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
只是沒有直接問過醫車會 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
178.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
180.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
醫車會負責醫院評鑑 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
180.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
183.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
所以醫學中心也是有你們評鑑 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
183.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
184.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
是對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
184.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
186.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
好 那評鑑是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
186.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
188.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
有兩種方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
188.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
190.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
一般的考試也是 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].start |
190.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
191.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
一個就是及格分數 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
191.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
192.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
就是只要通過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
192.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
194.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
就全部都過 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].start |
194.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
196.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
一個是錄取分數 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
196.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
198.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
就有限額的 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
198.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
200.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
譬如說一般的公務員 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
200.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
202.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
就缺幾個錄取幾個 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
202.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
204.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
那我們的醫學中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
204.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
210.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
這兩者執行長覺得是哪一種 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
210.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
214.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
是通過分數就可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
214.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
216.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
還是按照錄取 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
216.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
218.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
我們醫學中心的評鑑 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
218.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
220.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
有兩個流程 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
220.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
221.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
第一個流程 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
221.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
223.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
他必須在我們的醫學中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
223.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
226.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
評鑑的基準下 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
226.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
228.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
達到一定的及格分數以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
228.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
231.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
再進入第二階段的評鑑 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
231.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
232.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
第二階段是評鑑什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
232.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
235.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
第二階段再加上這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
235.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
237.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
醫學中心五大任務指標的分數 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
237.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
238.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
再加進去 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
238.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
242.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
沒有 那個都屬於資格 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
242.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
244.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
我現在是問名額的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
244.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
246.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
我直接講好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
246.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
248.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
我們其實現在是實施 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
248.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
251.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
第二期的醫療網計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
251.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
254.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
裡面規定是每200萬人口 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
254.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
256.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
配置一家醫學中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
256.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
259.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
台灣現在2300萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
259.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
262.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
現在台灣有幾家醫學中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
262.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
265.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
現在23家 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
265.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
271.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
那就是已經超額錄取一倍 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
271.76 |
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這個都你們評鑑的嗎 |
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275.76 |
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我們提供分數 |
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275.76 |
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279.76 |
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由衛福部決定醫學中心的錄取 |
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你們提供分數 |
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因為醫學中心最後的評鑑的分數 |
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287.76 |
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我剛才講的就是說 |
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他必須達到一定的分數以上才可以 |
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這就是您剛才說的 |
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有一個及格標準 |
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到及格標準以後 |
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298.76 |
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我們會把這些分數提報給衛福部 |
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由衛福部來決定 |
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醫學中心是哪幾家 |
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那在以往的話就是 |
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有所謂的醫學中心和準醫學中心 |
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所以超過的部分就是歷任部長 |
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沒有按照我們的指標來走 |
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石部長比較沒有責任 |
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因為石部長的任內還沒有遇到醫學 |
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對對對 |
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執行長我再問一個問題 |
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你們醫生會能不能 |
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331.76 |
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336.76 |
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你們不能研擬醫學中心退場機制 |
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336.76 |
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341.76 |
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就讓他更符合我們的醫療計畫 |
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因為我們一個大的概念在那邊 |
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就兩百萬人口一家 |
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那現在因為很多考量 |
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所以就變成已經一倍了 |
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360.76 |
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你們能不能擬定退場機制 |
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363.76 |
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其實我是一直覺得評鑑本身 |
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本來就是應該要有上有下 |
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370.76 |
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要不然我不知道醫學中心評鑑 |
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的用意到底在哪裡 |
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是那我們醫策會可以提供評鑑的分數 |
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382.76 |
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那至於說這個分數的話 |
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就是表示他符合醫學中心的資格 |
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389.76 |
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所以現在已經有所謂準醫學中心 |
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392.76 |
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準醫學中心是沒有這個限制 |
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395.76 |
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因為基本上他的最大的問題 |
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還是在於健保給付的 |
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401.76 |
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我知道準醫學中心就是安慰獎 |
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405.76 |
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我大概知道就是給你一個虛的名字 |
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405.76 |
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411.76 |
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然後健保給付上跟區議院大概是一樣的 |
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不過我的意思就是說 |
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415.76 |
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他都是有分數的 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
415.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
416.76 |
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我的意思就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
418.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
我們假如說 |
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421.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
422.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
堅守住 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
422.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
427.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
因為接下來少子化也會很嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
427.76 |
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432.76 |
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就是說我們假如堅守住200萬人口 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
432.76 |
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434.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
一家醫學中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
434.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
442.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
那你們能不能去研究出一套退場機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
442.76 |
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444.76 |
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部長請 |
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444.76 |
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446.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
我想說你比較累 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
446.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
450.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
因為楊偉仁問到的這個都非常專業跟深入 |
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450.76 |
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454.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
確實我們這一個醫學中心的加速 |
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454.76 |
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458.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
是在醫療網開始的時候我們就設定 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
458.76 |
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460.76 |
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大概在民國70幾年的時候 |
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460.76 |
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464.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
我們開始推醫療網是民國75年 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
464.76 |
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467.76 |
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然後在那個後面就把他這個定下來 |
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467.76 |
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469.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
第二期醫療網我們就把它定住了 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
469.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
471.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
所以時至今日 |
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471.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
475.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
我們確實需要考慮到那個地域的分佈 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
475.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
476.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
讓他均衡 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
476.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
480.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
那麼讓民眾在一定的範圍裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
480.76 |
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483.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
都能夠得到這些三級醫院的服務 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
483.76 |
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486.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
包含多少的範圍有地區醫院 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
486.76 |
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488.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
多大的範圍要有醫學中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
488.76 |
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493.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
所以這個是需要有整個這個分佈的概念 |
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493.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
494.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
再加上說未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
494.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
498.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
當然我們以目前的少子化的情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
498.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
499.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
我們的人口數會下降 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
499.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
501.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
所以這個200萬 |
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501.76 |
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504.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
或者是他的這個分佈的配置 |
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504.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
508.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
各區域的配置確實是可以有檢討的空間 |
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508.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
512.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
部長是這樣子就是說區域的均衡 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
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516.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
有的時候會進入一個盲區 |
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516.76 |
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519.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
就是說以北中南來看好了 |
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519.76 |
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524.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
北部在上一次評鑑多了兩家 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
524.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
527.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
隨便南部也必須要多一家 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
527.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
534.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
這個就是我們只要說用區域的分佈來看 |
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534.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
535.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
會變成這樣子 |
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535.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
539.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
當然區域均衡還是很重要 |
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539.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
543.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
怎麼退場也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].start |
543.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
546.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
或者是降等也好 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
550.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
或者是減少醫學中心的健保給付 |
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550.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
552.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
因為我今天時間的關係 |
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552.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
556.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
要不然接下來典職保障0.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
556.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
560.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
那醫學中心的健保給付是最高的 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
560.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
565.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
怎麼會造成健保的財務黑洞 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].start |
565.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
568.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
這個都必須要很謹慎面對 |
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568.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
571.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
所以這個分級醫療制度的落實就會很重要 |
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571.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
572.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].text |
對好 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
572.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].end |
574.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
部長講到分級醫療 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].start |
574.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].end |
578.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[202].text |
醫學中心加速越多 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].start |
578.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].end |
580.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[203].text |
分級醫療越困難 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].start |
580.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].end |
582.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[204].text |
部長信不信 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].start |
582.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].end |
583.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[205].text |
為什麼呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].start |
583.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].end |
584.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
為什麼呢 |
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584.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].end |
589.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
因為就醫太方便了 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
589.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
594.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
某些程度上委員說的是很正確 |
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599.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
因為我們對於民眾的就醫的門檻並不高 |
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599.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].end |
601.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
所以他直接到醫學中心就醫 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
601.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].end |
603.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
雖然有多的部分負擔 |
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| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
但是金額並不高 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
608.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
所以這個確實是有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
608.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
609.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
好 執行長請回 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
609.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
611.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
部長我最後要講一段話 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
611.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
613.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
就是說以這次有品來看 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
613.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
620.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
我還是要從食品安全管理法來做綜合的判斷 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
620.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
625.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
我們在食品安全管理法裡面大概就規定 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
625.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
627.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
有關查核的部分 |
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627.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
632.76 |
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大概就規定三千萬以上資本額的廠 |
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必須要每年做兩次的自主檢驗 |
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那有問題就通報 |
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地方政府 |
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其實我看食安法的規定 |
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地方政府負擔的責任 |
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是比中央政府大很多 |
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因為他們是有被41條 |
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有被41條是有規定 |
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縣市主管機關是可以去到場 |
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去到場查驗的 |
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671.76 |
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對不對 |
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675.76 |
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那你衛福部食藥署 |
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頂多也就在重大事故的時候才啟動專案查核 |
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是不是這樣子 |
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以目前跟文對完全正確 |
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689.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
41條賦予的地方主管機關 |
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691.76 |
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可以實地查場 |
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693.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
集合抽驗 |
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698.76 |
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那同時也賦予他下架停止銷售的權利 |
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你們想做還不能做 |
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我們是寫在 |
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704.76 |
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你們必要時 |
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704.76 |
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705.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
對不對 |
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所以我覺得 |
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並不一定要把每一件事情都變成政治事件 |
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食安大家都重視 |
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那假如說不分藍綠 |
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大家這麼重視食安 |
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是不是就請部裡面這邊 |
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728.76 |
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這一次就是我們詳盡的規範 |
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728.76 |
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730.76 |
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那給足人理 |
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730.76 |
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734.76 |
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要不然我看到我也不點名哪一個縣市 |
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734.76 |
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就是有的縣市5年查驗一次 |
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742.76 |
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搞不好還沒有送審 |
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746.76 |
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我就就是各縣市政府 |
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749.76 |
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我覺得事情發生了以後 |
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752.76 |
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作為執政黨我們處理善後 |
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752.76 |
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757.76 |
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這個是執政的必要負擔 |
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763.76 |
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可是從法律賦予刻意的責任對象 |
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並不是衛福部啊 |
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那是不是 |
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771.76 |
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這個食安本來就是中央跟地方 |
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大家都要密切的合作 |
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777.76 |
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我現在是說我們從法規範來看 |
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從法規範來看 |
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地方政府的查驗其實是41條是很明確的 |
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怎麼會全部排罵衛福部和食藥署 |
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793.76 |
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795.76 |
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我就搞不懂 |
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797.76 |
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沒有結束了 |
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799.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
謝謝主席 |
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801.76 |
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謝謝委員 |