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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:05,640 | 謝謝主席 我們請部長 |
| 00:00:05,640 | 00:00:07,000 | 有請施崇良部長 |
| 00:00:07,000 | 00:00:12,040 | 部長辛苦了 |
| 00:00:12,040 | 00:00:14,840 | 部長 那個很多委員都關心 |
| 00:00:14,840 | 00:00:17,680 | 就是說這一次這個有發現 |
| 00:00:17,680 | 00:00:21,040 | 有這個本評比的這個 |
| 00:00:21,040 | 00:00:22,920 | 有這樣的一個狀況 |
| 00:00:22,920 | 00:00:26,120 | 那我在 我記得我在上禮拜我有問過 |
| 00:00:26,120 | 00:00:29,120 | 到底是原料的問題還是製程的問題嗎 |
| 00:00:29,240 | 00:00:31,040 | 那你們現在應該可以 |
| 00:00:31,040 | 00:00:33,040 | 剛剛部長這樣有回答 |
| 00:00:33,040 | 00:00:35,120 | 就是說可能就是原料有問題 |
| 00:00:35,120 | 00:00:37,560 | 那再加上製程的關係 |
| 00:00:37,560 | 00:00:40,960 | 才會造成這個有紙有這個 |
| 00:00:40,960 | 00:00:43,280 | 有本評比的這個狀況 |
| 00:00:43,280 | 00:00:44,480 | 是這樣子嗎 |
| 00:00:44,480 | 00:00:49,000 | 就是說它這一批的這個原料本身就比較差 |
| 00:00:49,000 | 00:00:50,880 | 它的品質就是比較差的 |
| 00:00:50,880 | 00:00:52,840 | 然後在製程當中呢 |
| 00:00:52,840 | 00:00:57,480 | 它又沒有確保每一個都按照原本的SOP去執行 |
| 00:00:57,480 | 00:01:00,199 | 所以造成最後的這個本評比 |
| 00:01:00,199 | 00:01:00,599 | 是 |
| 00:01:00,599 | 00:01:02,480 | 那個超高 |
| 00:01:02,480 | 00:01:05,880 | 而且它又沒有在每一個管制點上去抽驗 |
| 00:01:05,880 | 00:01:06,240 | 是 |
| 00:01:06,240 | 00:01:06,759 | 所以這個 |
| 00:01:06,759 | 00:01:09,640 | 所以是只有中聯是這個狀況嗎 |
| 00:01:09,640 | 00:01:11,720 | 那其他的這個油紙廠 |
| 00:01:11,720 | 00:01:14,920 | 會不會也因為製程的這個更改 |
| 00:01:14,920 | 00:01:16,039 | 我不知道 |
| 00:01:16,039 | 00:01:20,039 | 就是說你們應該也要再針對其他的這個廠 |
| 00:01:20,039 | 00:01:21,199 | 不只是中聯 |
| 00:01:21,199 | 00:01:22,960 | 那其他的這個油紙廠 |
| 00:01:22,960 | 00:01:25,199 | 他們有沒有可能就是說也 |
| 00:01:25,199 | 00:01:27,160 | 這個製程有一些改變 |
| 00:01:27,160 | 00:01:31,800 | 那會未來會增這個產出的這些油紙也會有一些問題 |
| 00:01:31,800 | 00:01:32,119 | 好 |
| 00:01:32,119 | 00:01:32,640 | 對不對 |
| 00:01:32,640 | 00:01:35,399 | 也跟委員說明這一次這個事件發生之後 |
| 00:01:35,399 | 00:01:38,640 | 我們食藥署也去其他的廠也一起看了 |
| 00:01:38,640 | 00:01:42,200 | 包含這個其他的這個大統議 |
| 00:01:42,200 | 00:01:44,240 | 台糖的廠也都去看 |
| 00:01:44,240 | 00:01:47,840 | 然後這個製程也都有做一些確認 |
| 00:01:47,840 | 00:01:51,880 | 那同時也要求他逐批檢驗才能出貨 |
| 00:01:51,880 | 00:01:54,880 | 所以立刻都已經做了這些調整 |
| 00:01:54,880 | 00:01:55,920 | 那麼至於未來 |
| 00:01:55,960 | 00:01:59,840 | 我們在修法裡面也會要求正式的入法 |
| 00:01:59,840 | 00:02:03,440 | 原料這種高風險的這個原料 |
| 00:02:03,440 | 00:02:05,600 | 那麼要逐批檢驗原料 |
| 00:02:05,600 | 00:02:09,000 | 然後再加上出貨的時候也要逐批檢驗 |
| 00:02:09,000 | 00:02:10,520 | 大廠的部分是這樣 |
| 00:02:10,520 | 00:02:12,000 | 那這個資訊呢 |
| 00:02:12,000 | 00:02:14,080 | 資訊要怎麼讓你們知道 |
| 00:02:14,080 | 00:02:16,000 | 或者是要讓什麼樣的單位知道 |
| 00:02:16,000 | 00:02:18,120 | 就是說如果萬一他又隱匿的話 |
| 00:02:18,120 | 00:02:20,280 | 對於這個檢驗的結果的話 |
| 00:02:20,280 | 00:02:21,560 | 他是要公開 |
| 00:02:21,560 | 00:02:22,640 | 那第二個呢 |
| 00:02:22,640 | 00:02:25,000 | 我們會把這一次會入法 |
| 00:02:25,040 | 00:02:29,200 | 檢驗本身也具有強制通報的義務 |
| 00:02:29,200 | 00:02:30,120 | 責任要下去 |
| 00:02:30,120 | 00:02:32,680 | 就是他不是交給這個業者 |
| 00:02:32,680 | 00:02:34,440 | 而是要把這個檢驗報告 |
| 00:02:34,440 | 00:02:36,000 | 如果一發生有異常 |
| 00:02:36,000 | 00:02:38,680 | 就要通報傳上我們的系統 |
| 00:02:38,680 | 00:02:39,880 | 讓主管機關知曉 |
| 00:02:39,880 | 00:02:42,640 | 好 那你們原本有三道的這個 |
| 00:02:42,640 | 00:02:44,560 | 檢驗的把關的程序 |
| 00:02:44,560 | 00:02:46,160 | 第一個是自主檢驗 |
| 00:02:46,160 | 00:02:47,920 | 那剛剛部長有提到就是說 |
| 00:02:47,920 | 00:02:49,600 | 自主檢驗如果有問題的話 |
| 00:02:49,600 | 00:02:50,880 | 也是要公開 |
| 00:02:50,880 | 00:02:53,320 | 就是也要公開然後通報 |
| 00:02:53,320 | 00:02:54,160 | 是這樣 |
| 00:02:54,160 | 00:02:55,440 | 那第一道的部分 |
| 00:02:55,440 | 00:02:56,840 | 自主檢驗的部分 |
| 00:02:56,840 | 00:02:58,400 | 我們的要求會是 |
| 00:02:58,400 | 00:03:00,079 | 這個自主檢驗的實驗室 |
| 00:03:00,079 | 00:03:02,640 | 也要經過主管機關的認證 |
| 00:03:02,640 | 00:03:04,840 | 確保他的檢驗品質 |
| 00:03:04,840 | 00:03:05,560 | 那第二個呢 |
| 00:03:05,560 | 00:03:07,680 | 他一旦發現檢驗的過程 |
| 00:03:07,680 | 00:03:09,840 | 有異常的不符標準的 |
| 00:03:09,840 | 00:03:12,640 | 那麼他也要及時的通報的義務 |
| 00:03:12,640 | 00:03:14,240 | 這個都把他寫到修法裡面 |
| 00:03:14,240 | 00:03:15,440 | 那第二個部分就是說 |
| 00:03:15,440 | 00:03:18,560 | 委託外部檢驗的部分 |
| 00:03:18,560 | 00:03:19,960 | 如果有問題的話 |
| 00:03:19,960 | 00:03:21,680 | 也是要公開 |
| 00:03:21,680 | 00:03:22,960 | 然後也是要通報 |
| 00:03:22,960 | 00:03:23,880 | 對 要通報 |
| 00:03:23,880 | 00:03:24,560 | 好 |
| 00:03:24,560 | 00:03:27,600 | 那再來就是說後市場的抽驗 |
| 00:03:27,600 | 00:03:29,560 | 我想請教就是說 |
| 00:03:29,560 | 00:03:32,120 | 其實我問了好幾個縣市 |
| 00:03:32,120 | 00:03:34,040 | 就是說後市場的檢驗 |
| 00:03:34,040 | 00:03:35,200 | 或者是油紙的 |
| 00:03:35,200 | 00:03:37,000 | 油紙廠的茶廠 |
| 00:03:37,000 | 00:03:40,080 | 其實地方政府也要負很大的責任 |
| 00:03:40,080 | 00:03:42,880 | 那既然有的縣市政府 |
| 00:03:42,880 | 00:03:44,680 | 他可能這個幾年當中 |
| 00:03:44,680 | 00:03:45,640 | 可以驗十幾次 |
| 00:03:45,640 | 00:03:48,080 | 那有的縣市政府可能這個 |
| 00:03:48,080 | 00:03:49,600 | 這個四五年當中 |
| 00:03:49,600 | 00:03:51,160 | 可能連一次都沒有 |
| 00:03:51,160 | 00:03:52,840 | 像類似的狀況 |
| 00:03:52,880 | 00:03:54,560 | 那未來有沒有可能就是說 |
| 00:03:54,560 | 00:03:57,440 | 中央跟地方要怎麼去分工 |
| 00:03:57,440 | 00:03:59,320 | 就是說茶廠的部分 |
| 00:03:59,320 | 00:04:00,840 | 到底是要歸屬中央 |
| 00:04:00,840 | 00:04:02,280 | 或者是歸屬地方 |
| 00:04:02,280 | 00:04:03,880 | 那如果是歸屬地方的話 |
| 00:04:03,880 | 00:04:05,120 | 你們會要求 |
| 00:04:05,120 | 00:04:06,760 | 就是說幾年內 |
| 00:04:06,760 | 00:04:09,280 | 幾年內要茶廠幾次 |
| 00:04:09,280 | 00:04:10,560 | 這個未來會不會有做 |
| 00:04:10,560 | 00:04:11,720 | 這樣的一個要求 |
| 00:04:11,720 | 00:04:12,720 | 好 跟委員說明 |
| 00:04:12,720 | 00:04:13,920 | 第三道的防線 |
| 00:04:13,920 | 00:04:16,560 | 就是在主管機關的稽查 |
| 00:04:16,560 | 00:04:17,560 | 那稽查的部分 |
| 00:04:17,560 | 00:04:19,480 | 其實是分兩個 |
| 00:04:19,480 | 00:04:21,519 | 一個是後市場的抽驗 |
| 00:04:21,519 | 00:04:22,800 | 一個是茶廠 |
| 00:04:22,800 | 00:04:23,960 | 所以還是有茶廠 |
| 00:04:23,960 | 00:04:27,120 | 就是像委員所秀出的41條 |
| 00:04:27,120 | 00:04:28,280 | 其實的第一款 |
| 00:04:28,280 | 00:04:30,080 | 就是要進入廠區 |
| 00:04:30,080 | 00:04:33,080 | 去做茶廠 集合 檢驗 抽驗 |
| 00:04:33,080 | 00:04:34,080 | 所以這個是 |
| 00:04:34,080 | 00:04:35,640 | 法裡面已經有訂了 |
| 00:04:35,640 | 00:04:36,520 | 那麼只是說 |
| 00:04:36,520 | 00:04:38,560 | 我們過去的做法是分兩個 |
| 00:04:38,560 | 00:04:39,840 | 一個是地方 |
| 00:04:39,840 | 00:04:42,440 | 自己依照它的產業屬性 |
| 00:04:42,440 | 00:04:44,800 | 去做茶廠跟抽驗 |
| 00:04:44,800 | 00:04:47,320 | 那麼中央是對全國性的 |
| 00:04:47,320 | 00:04:49,920 | 訂一個專案稽查的方案 |
| 00:04:49,920 | 00:04:52,320 | 每年會請各縣市衛生局 |
| 00:04:52,320 | 00:04:53,320 | 去配合 |
| 00:04:53,320 | 00:04:54,320 | 那未來的話 |
| 00:04:54,320 | 00:04:55,320 | 有專案的話 |
| 00:04:55,320 | 00:04:57,320 | 請縣市政府配合 |
| 00:04:57,320 | 00:04:58,840 | 那如果沒有專案的話 |
| 00:04:58,840 | 00:05:01,440 | 縣市政府他們就自己去查場 |
| 00:05:01,440 | 00:05:02,440 | 自己去執行 |
| 00:05:02,440 | 00:05:05,040 | 因為有的地方的產業屬性 |
| 00:05:05,040 | 00:05:06,040 | 是不一樣 |
| 00:05:06,040 | 00:05:07,040 | 他們有自己 |
| 00:05:07,040 | 00:05:08,040 | 或者是你們有規定 |
| 00:05:08,040 | 00:05:09,480 | 就是說要查場幾次的 |
| 00:05:09,480 | 00:05:10,640 | 這樣的一個規定嗎 |
| 00:05:10,640 | 00:05:12,400 | 當然沒有特別的規定 |
| 00:05:12,400 | 00:05:14,360 | 因為每個地方的產業屬性 |
| 00:05:14,360 | 00:05:15,360 | 是不一樣 |
| 00:05:15,360 | 00:05:16,360 | 那像比如說 |
| 00:05:16,360 | 00:05:19,080 | 像這個掌握全國的這些 |
| 00:05:19,080 | 00:05:20,280 | 油品的上游 |
| 00:05:20,280 | 00:05:21,560 | 就是這幾家而已 |
| 00:05:21,560 | 00:05:22,960 | 所以這幾家的 |
| 00:05:22,960 | 00:05:24,400 | 這個縣市主管機關 |
| 00:05:24,400 | 00:05:26,400 | 就應該把它列入到它的 |
| 00:05:26,400 | 00:05:28,040 | 比較高風險的 |
| 00:05:28,040 | 00:05:30,520 | 以前還沒發生這件事情 |
| 00:05:30,520 | 00:05:32,560 | 以前你們有去統計 |
| 00:05:32,560 | 00:05:34,360 | 就是說各縣市政府 |
| 00:05:34,360 | 00:05:37,000 | 有針對這樣子的那個查場 |
| 00:05:37,000 | 00:05:38,240 | 到底是幾次 |
| 00:05:38,240 | 00:05:40,840 | 我覺得中央跟地方 |
| 00:05:40,840 | 00:05:43,200 | 中央跟地方應該要一起合作 |
| 00:05:43,200 | 00:05:45,800 | 然後而不是事情發生之後 |
| 00:05:45,800 | 00:05:47,400 | 可能地方政府會覺得說 |
| 00:05:47,400 | 00:05:48,720 | 這個是中央的事情 |
| 00:05:48,720 | 00:05:49,800 | 那中央會覺得說 |
| 00:05:49,840 | 00:05:52,520 | 那你就是要需要去查場 |
| 00:05:52,520 | 00:05:53,800 | 那像這樣子的話 |
| 00:05:53,800 | 00:05:55,880 | 未來如果我們在修法的話 |
| 00:05:55,880 | 00:05:56,960 | 有沒有可能 |
| 00:05:56,960 | 00:05:58,240 | 就這樣的問題 |
| 00:05:58,240 | 00:06:00,200 | 是要歸屬地方或中央 |
| 00:06:00,200 | 00:06:01,560 | 或者是中央跟地方 |
| 00:06:01,560 | 00:06:02,880 | 是要一起合作的 |
| 00:06:02,880 | 00:06:05,000 | 是這個我們在修法裡面 |
| 00:06:05,000 | 00:06:06,960 | 會修訂這個41條 |
| 00:06:06,960 | 00:06:09,480 | 讓它更清楚的分工 |
| 00:06:09,480 | 00:06:11,920 | 所以這個中央的部分 |
| 00:06:11,920 | 00:06:13,760 | 是針對重大 |
| 00:06:13,760 | 00:06:15,800 | 或者是突發性的事件 |
| 00:06:15,800 | 00:06:18,840 | 那麼或者是有高度的 |
| 00:06:18,880 | 00:06:22,000 | 疑慮的事件那麼由中央來組 |
| 00:06:22,000 | 00:06:24,400 | 那麼其餘的就回歸到 |
| 00:06:24,400 | 00:06:26,960 | 這個地方的日常管理 |
| 00:06:26,960 | 00:06:28,119 | 那個常規的管理 |
| 00:06:28,119 | 00:06:29,479 | 那如果地方 |
| 00:06:29,479 | 00:06:31,640 | 它也像有的縣市政府 |
| 00:06:31,640 | 00:06:33,960 | 它的好幾年也都連一次都沒有 |
| 00:06:33,960 | 00:06:35,640 | 那類似這樣的一個狀況的話 |
| 00:06:35,640 | 00:06:36,599 | 那你們要怎麼辦 |
| 00:06:36,599 | 00:06:37,960 | 那我們會有他們 |
| 00:06:37,960 | 00:06:39,960 | 他們這個查場的這些紀錄 |
| 00:06:39,960 | 00:06:41,000 | 什麼都會 |
| 00:06:41,000 | 00:06:42,039 | 會我們會有收集 |
| 00:06:42,039 | 00:06:43,080 | 那現在你們有這樣的紀錄嗎 |
| 00:06:43,080 | 00:06:44,039 | 我們現在是有 |
| 00:06:44,039 | 00:06:46,679 | 有知道這個各縣市的 |
| 00:06:46,679 | 00:06:48,320 | 這個配合中央專案 |
| 00:06:48,320 | 00:06:49,680 | 或自行抽驗 |
| 00:06:49,680 | 00:06:51,520 | 或查場的這個次數 |
| 00:06:51,520 | 00:06:52,960 | 這個是我們有統計 |
| 00:06:52,960 | 00:06:54,080 | 所以各縣市都有 |
| 00:06:54,080 | 00:06:55,599 | 好那近五年內 |
| 00:06:55,599 | 00:06:58,719 | 這些由止所在地的這個縣市政府 |
| 00:06:58,719 | 00:07:00,680 | 他們查場總共幾次 |
| 00:07:00,680 | 00:07:02,600 | 你們可以現在就可以說出來嗎 |
| 00:07:02,600 | 00:07:05,240 | 可以如果是從100 |
| 00:07:05,240 | 00:07:11,480 | 111年到115年的6月底為止的話 |
| 00:07:11,480 | 00:07:13,440 | 那這個 |
| 00:07:13,440 | 00:07:16,600 | 有一個全國的統計 |
| 00:07:16,600 | 00:07:17,719 | 這個是各縣市 |
| 00:07:17,720 | 00:07:19,880 | 我們有各縣市的統計 |
| 00:07:19,880 | 00:07:20,960 | 這個詳細的資料 |
| 00:07:20,960 | 00:07:22,600 | 我們可以再提供給 |
| 00:07:22,600 | 00:07:24,400 | 好年年會後再提供給委員 |
| 00:07:24,400 | 00:07:25,880 | 這各縣市我們都有 |
| 00:07:25,880 | 00:07:27,800 | 是所以我覺得說 |
| 00:07:27,800 | 00:07:29,720 | 這個食安出現問題 |
| 00:07:29,720 | 00:07:33,160 | 其實就是中央跟地方要一起配合 |
| 00:07:33,160 | 00:07:34,640 | 一起合作的 |
| 00:07:34,640 | 00:07:37,400 | 一起要共同來分擔負擔的 |
| 00:07:37,400 | 00:07:40,200 | 因為不是地方也不是中央 |
| 00:07:40,200 | 00:07:41,760 | 應該是要通力合作的 |
| 00:07:41,760 | 00:07:43,480 | 那地方在查場 |
| 00:07:43,480 | 00:07:44,920 | 或者後市場端 |
| 00:07:44,920 | 00:07:46,040 | 遇到什麼樣的問題 |
| 00:07:46,080 | 00:07:47,920 | 需要中央這邊來協助 |
| 00:07:47,920 | 00:07:50,120 | 我覺得中央應該也會很樂意 |
| 00:07:50,120 | 00:07:51,440 | 要來協助地方 |
| 00:07:51,440 | 00:07:53,320 | 來處理這樣的一個事情 |
| 00:07:53,320 | 00:07:55,720 | 所以其實我在最近有聽到 |
| 00:07:55,720 | 00:07:56,920 | 這個有一些地方政府 |
| 00:07:56,920 | 00:07:57,800 | 會覺得說 |
| 00:07:57,800 | 00:07:59,560 | 那這個查場 |
| 00:07:59,560 | 00:08:02,120 | 或者是後市場的這個抽驗 |
| 00:08:02,120 | 00:08:03,120 | 都是地方政府 |
| 00:08:03,120 | 00:08:03,960 | 這個地方政府 |
| 00:08:03,960 | 00:08:06,760 | 自己的衛生單位就自己這樣講 |
| 00:08:06,760 | 00:08:09,680 | 所以我覺得說應該也要落實 |
| 00:08:09,680 | 00:08:12,360 | 就是有的縣市政府沒有落實 |
| 00:08:12,360 | 00:08:14,440 | 所以應該也是要去落實 |
| 00:08:14,480 | 00:08:18,160 | 這個查場或者是後市場的一個檢驗 |
| 00:08:18,160 | 00:08:18,680 | 對 |
| 00:08:18,680 | 00:08:19,360 | 是不是 |
| 00:08:19,360 | 00:08:20,160 | 完全正確 |
| 00:08:20,160 | 00:08:22,600 | 就是說只有中央跟地方 |
| 00:08:22,600 | 00:08:23,680 | 密切的合作 |
| 00:08:23,680 | 00:08:25,600 | 才能夠真正為食安保關 |
| 00:08:25,600 | 00:08:26,280 | 對 |
| 00:08:26,280 | 00:08:27,160 | 對好 |
| 00:08:27,160 | 00:08:31,320 | 那這個部長我在請教 |
| 00:08:31,320 | 00:08:34,400 | 就是說這個食安辦 |
| 00:08:34,400 | 00:08:38,520 | 其實我覺得這個事情發生到現在 |
| 00:08:38,520 | 00:08:39,919 | 我都覺得食安辦 |
| 00:08:39,919 | 00:08:42,679 | 你的角色到底是什麼 |
| 00:08:42,719 | 00:08:44,959 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:08:44,959 | 00:08:48,520 | 就假設有涉及跨部會的情況 |
| 00:08:48,520 | 00:08:50,520 | 然後還有第二個就是 |
| 00:08:50,520 | 00:08:53,280 | 像說我們這一次的案子的裡面 |
| 00:08:53,280 | 00:08:55,719 | 我們很快第二天就啟動 |
| 00:08:55,719 | 00:08:57,560 | 跟法務部的平台 |
| 00:08:57,560 | 00:08:59,640 | 然後進到裡面去了 |
| 00:08:59,640 | 00:09:02,280 | 然後後來大概 |
| 00:09:02,280 | 00:09:04,920 | 院裡面開始開會是 |
| 00:09:04,920 | 00:09:07,160 | 從禮拜五跟下禮拜一 |
| 00:09:07,160 | 00:09:08,560 | 然後就會開始參與 |
| 00:09:08,560 | 00:09:11,079 | 那現在已經三週 |
| 00:09:11,120 | 00:09:14,040 | 所以如果是有 |
| 00:09:14,040 | 00:09:16,760 | 就是依食安法的法律的授權 |
| 00:09:16,760 | 00:09:18,440 | 當然是部長 |
| 00:09:18,440 | 00:09:21,320 | 那假如有涉及到跨部會的 |
| 00:09:21,320 | 00:09:24,840 | 或者是要更高層次的要去 |
| 00:09:24,840 | 00:09:27,400 | 舉例上來講說我們從第一天開始 |
| 00:09:27,400 | 00:09:30,760 | 就七月一日開始通報 |
| 00:09:30,760 | 00:09:32,280 | 然後跟聯繫 |
| 00:09:32,280 | 00:09:34,720 | 然後好比說跟教育部 |
| 00:09:34,720 | 00:09:36,920 | 都是從七月初一就開始了 |
| 00:09:36,920 | 00:09:39,160 | 那我們就得要去協助辦 |
| 00:09:39,160 | 00:09:40,040 | 所以食安辦的 |
| 00:09:40,040 | 00:09:40,800 | 跨部會的事情 |
| 00:09:40,800 | 00:09:42,880 | 食安辦的角色是跨部會的 |
| 00:09:42,880 | 00:09:43,439 | 對 |
| 00:09:43,439 | 00:09:44,719 | 跨部會的協調 |
| 00:09:44,719 | 00:09:46,560 | 去國軍教育部這樣子 |
| 00:09:46,560 | 00:09:48,959 | 好那衛福部不是也是在做 |
| 00:09:48,959 | 00:09:50,719 | 跨部會的協調嗎部長 |
| 00:09:50,719 | 00:09:53,760 | 對但是我們跨部會的 |
| 00:09:53,760 | 00:09:55,839 | 我們也會透過食安辦來協助 |
| 00:09:55,839 | 00:09:56,319 | 是 |
| 00:09:56,319 | 00:09:57,839 | 有些像這一次 |
| 00:09:57,839 | 00:10:00,479 | 這個關於退貨的問題 |
| 00:10:00,479 | 00:10:03,199 | 那可能就會讓經濟部 |
| 00:10:03,199 | 00:10:05,839 | 讓行政院消保處來協助 |
| 00:10:05,839 | 00:10:06,400 | 是 |
| 00:10:06,959 | 00:10:11,840 | 這個學校的團散 |
| 00:10:11,840 | 00:10:14,959 | 那就要透過教育部去做盤查 |
| 00:10:14,959 | 00:10:17,120 | 那麼有的是會到軍隊 |
| 00:10:17,120 | 00:10:18,400 | 那就要透過國防部 |
| 00:10:18,400 | 00:10:19,680 | 所以類似像這樣 |
| 00:10:19,680 | 00:10:21,040 | 像這個案子我們認為 |
| 00:10:21,040 | 00:10:23,040 | 這個涉及到一些隱匿 |
| 00:10:23,040 | 00:10:24,880 | 還有一些刑事的責任的問題 |
| 00:10:24,880 | 00:10:27,040 | 那就由法務部來介入 |
| 00:10:27,040 | 00:10:29,040 | 好我也希望就是說 |
| 00:10:29,040 | 00:10:32,560 | 每一次發生食品安全的這個問題 |
| 00:10:32,560 | 00:10:34,640 | 那為什麼會有食安辦 |
| 00:10:34,640 | 00:10:37,360 | 那就是因為之前這個食品 |
| 00:10:37,360 | 00:10:38,960 | 有問題才會有這樣 |
| 00:10:38,960 | 00:10:41,199 | 食安辦的一個成立 |
| 00:10:41,199 | 00:10:41,920 | 那這樣子的話 |
| 00:10:41,920 | 00:10:43,520 | 因為應該這個食安辦 |
| 00:10:43,520 | 00:10:46,319 | 應該是要發揮更大的一個角色 |
| 00:10:46,319 | 00:10:48,480 | 跟發揮更大的功能 |
| 00:10:48,480 | 00:10:50,400 | 好應該在前端的時候 |
| 00:10:50,400 | 00:10:52,800 | 應該你們就要發揮最大的功能 |
| 00:10:52,800 | 00:10:54,560 | 因為我覺得這一次 |
| 00:10:54,560 | 00:10:57,439 | 這個有指的這個問題產生 |
| 00:10:57,439 | 00:11:00,319 | 我就一直看到就是衛福部食藥署 |
| 00:11:00,319 | 00:11:02,480 | 那食安辦的角色到底在哪裡 |
| 00:11:02,480 | 00:11:04,240 | 我都覺得存疑 |
| 00:11:04,320 | 00:11:05,920 | 那到底有沒有這個食安辦 |
| 00:11:05,920 | 00:11:07,280 | 存在的功能 |
| 00:11:07,280 | 00:11:09,600 | 我都覺得真的是 |
| 00:11:09,600 | 00:11:12,240 | 我覺得應該可以再發揮更大的 |
| 00:11:12,240 | 00:11:13,360 | 這個功能 |
| 00:11:13,360 | 00:11:14,800 | 好讓這個食品安全 |
| 00:11:14,800 | 00:11:16,960 | 應該在你們這邊就可以處理好 |
| 00:11:17,520 | 00:11:18,560 | 好是不是未來 |
| 00:11:18,560 | 00:11:20,720 | 應該也是要這樣子 |
| 00:11:20,720 | 00:11:21,520 | 部長 |
| 00:11:21,520 | 00:11:25,920 | 好我們會一直都是很密切的在研討 |
| 00:11:25,920 | 00:11:28,080 | 我們都是一有這樣的通報 |
| 00:11:28,080 | 00:11:30,320 | 我們也會往上通報到食安辦 |
| 00:11:30,320 | 00:11:31,120 | 是 |
| 00:11:31,120 | 00:11:32,560 | 好我們希望說 |
| 00:11:32,560 | 00:11:34,000 | 不要再有下一次 |
| 00:11:34,000 | 00:11:37,040 | 就是任何的食品發生問題 |
| 00:11:37,040 | 00:11:41,520 | 因為食品安全是所有國人最關心的 |
| 00:11:42,080 | 00:11:43,520 | 所以我們也希望就是說 |
| 00:11:43,520 | 00:11:44,880 | 未來如果修法的話 |
| 00:11:44,880 | 00:11:47,360 | 應該要把它修得更完整 |
| 00:11:47,360 | 00:11:49,040 | 然後中央跟地方 |
| 00:11:49,760 | 00:11:52,000 | 這個協作的合作的方式 |
| 00:11:52,000 | 00:11:53,520 | 應該也要把它寫清楚 |
| 00:11:53,520 | 00:11:54,000 | 是 |
| 00:11:54,000 | 00:11:54,480 | 好不好 |
| 00:11:54,480 | 00:11:55,440 | 好謝謝 |
| 00:11:55,440 | 00:11:56,080 | 謝謝委員 |