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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:12,000 | 好 謝謝主席 那麻煩我們石部長 |
| 00:00:12,000 | 00:00:14,000 | 有請石村長部長 |
| 00:00:14,000 | 00:00:16,000 | 土委員好 |
| 00:00:16,000 | 00:00:18,000 | 好 部長 那今天一樣 |
| 00:00:18,000 | 00:00:20,000 | 那我們也針對 |
| 00:00:20,000 | 00:00:22,000 | 最近我們自來使用油的問題 |
| 00:00:22,000 | 00:00:24,000 | 來討論一下 |
| 00:00:24,000 | 00:00:26,000 | 那上次我有提到 |
| 00:00:26,000 | 00:00:28,000 | 那根據我們的食安法 |
| 00:00:28,000 | 00:00:30,000 | 資本額三千萬以上的使用油脂 |
| 00:00:30,000 | 00:00:32,000 | 製造工廠 |
| 00:00:32,000 | 00:00:34,000 | 要設實驗室嘛 對不對 |
| 00:00:34,000 | 00:00:36,000 | 然後 |
| 00:00:36,000 | 00:00:38,000 | 至少每半年 |
| 00:00:38,000 | 00:00:40,000 | 要做一次檢驗 |
| 00:00:40,000 | 00:00:42,000 | 然後訂定食品安全 |
| 00:00:42,000 | 00:00:44,000 | 監測計畫嘛 |
| 00:00:44,000 | 00:00:46,000 | 因為我有看這個食安法上面的規定嘛 |
| 00:00:46,000 | 00:00:48,000 | 我們現在是公告 |
| 00:00:48,000 | 00:00:50,000 | 一億元以上的是要自設 |
| 00:00:50,000 | 00:00:52,000 | 然後三千萬以上的話呢 |
| 00:00:52,000 | 00:00:54,000 | 他就要檢驗 是沒有錯 |
| 00:00:54,000 | 00:00:56,000 | 所以三千萬至少 |
| 00:00:56,000 | 00:00:58,000 | 半年一定要檢驗一次 |
| 00:00:58,000 | 00:01:00,000 | 然後送交這個檢驗報告 |
| 00:01:00,000 | 00:01:02,000 | 對 那所以 |
| 00:01:02,000 | 00:01:04,000 | 我們當然我們有三道關卡 |
| 00:01:04,000 | 00:01:06,000 | 第一道就是自主檢驗 |
| 00:01:06,000 | 00:01:08,000 | 第二道就是外部檢驗 |
| 00:01:08,000 | 00:01:10,000 | 第三道才到我們後市場的查驗 |
| 00:01:10,000 | 00:01:12,000 | 那我也想了解一下 |
| 00:01:12,000 | 00:01:14,000 | 上次我們質詢完之後 |
| 00:01:14,000 | 00:01:16,000 | 也有跟衛福部來所知 |
| 00:01:16,000 | 00:01:18,000 | 就是說 |
| 00:01:18,000 | 00:01:20,000 | 針對我們像 |
| 00:01:20,000 | 00:01:22,000 | 中聯 |
| 00:01:22,000 | 00:01:24,000 | 中聯油脂 那我請問一下 |
| 00:01:24,000 | 00:01:26,000 | 他這個外部檢驗 |
| 00:01:26,000 | 00:01:28,000 | 自主檢驗到底有沒有錯 |
| 00:01:28,000 | 00:01:30,000 | 他的自主檢驗 |
| 00:01:30,000 | 00:01:32,000 | 報告是有的啦 |
| 00:01:32,000 | 00:01:34,000 | 但是就是跟委員報告 |
| 00:01:34,000 | 00:01:36,000 | 他都是合格的 |
| 00:01:36,000 | 00:01:38,000 | 他自主檢驗的報告 |
| 00:01:38,000 | 00:01:40,000 | 是合格的 |
| 00:01:40,000 | 00:01:42,000 | 那我們自己的檢驗不是半年要做一次嗎 |
| 00:01:42,000 | 00:01:44,000 | 但是我們現在 |
| 00:01:44,000 | 00:01:46,000 | 外部的那個是後市場 |
| 00:01:46,000 | 00:01:48,000 | 機場 另外一個就是 |
| 00:01:48,000 | 00:01:50,000 | 那個第三方的 |
| 00:01:50,000 | 00:01:52,000 | 驗證是HACCP的 |
| 00:01:52,000 | 00:01:54,000 | 對 會去做 |
| 00:01:54,000 | 00:01:56,000 | 那為什麼我們 |
| 00:01:56,000 | 00:01:58,000 | 我們一直要看這個報告 |
| 00:01:58,000 | 00:02:00,000 | 這個資料一直看不到 |
| 00:02:00,000 | 00:02:02,000 | 他有這個 |
| 00:02:02,000 | 00:02:04,000 | 他自己的實驗室沒有驗BAP這一項 |
| 00:02:04,000 | 00:02:06,000 | 所以他的BAP |
| 00:02:06,000 | 00:02:08,000 | 是外送檢驗 |
| 00:02:08,000 | 00:02:10,000 | 所以他等於也是外送檢驗的 |
| 00:02:10,000 | 00:02:12,000 | 所以 |
| 00:02:12,000 | 00:02:14,000 | 難怪 |
| 00:02:14,000 | 00:02:16,000 | 重點我們沒有監督嗎 |
| 00:02:16,000 | 00:02:18,000 | 我們並沒有看到他的 |
| 00:02:18,000 | 00:02:20,000 | 檢驗的報告啊 |
| 00:02:20,000 | 00:02:22,000 | 所以服務部要這資料就沒有拿到啊 |
| 00:02:22,000 | 00:02:24,000 | 檢驗報告是 |
| 00:02:24,000 | 00:02:26,000 | 我們可以提供 |
| 00:02:26,000 | 00:02:28,000 | 因為我們有跟他要 |
| 00:02:28,000 | 00:02:30,000 | 檢驗報告是目前並沒有要求 |
| 00:02:30,000 | 00:02:32,000 | 所有都上傳 |
| 00:02:32,000 | 00:02:34,000 | 檢驗報告是流場被查 |
| 00:02:34,000 | 00:02:36,000 | 就是我們這個地方 |
| 00:02:36,000 | 00:02:38,000 | 主管機關去稽查的時候 |
| 00:02:38,000 | 00:02:40,000 | 要查閱他這些報告 |
| 00:02:40,000 | 00:02:42,000 | 對啊 因為看食安法這規定 |
| 00:02:42,000 | 00:02:44,000 | 半年至少半年要做一次 |
| 00:02:44,000 | 00:02:46,000 | 那我們就沒有看到 |
| 00:02:46,000 | 00:02:48,000 | 他這檢驗的報告到底是不是 |
| 00:02:48,000 | 00:02:50,000 | 合格的啊 |
| 00:02:50,000 | 00:02:52,000 | 依法他也要求是要公開 |
| 00:02:52,000 | 00:02:54,000 | 他的報告結果 |
| 00:02:54,000 | 00:02:56,000 | 那這個也不是什麼機密 |
| 00:02:56,000 | 00:02:58,000 | 為什麼要這資料一直拿不到 |
| 00:02:58,000 | 00:03:00,000 | 有沒有提供 |
| 00:03:00,000 | 00:03:02,000 | 委員在所知有沒有提供 |
| 00:03:02,000 | 00:03:04,000 | 對啊 從上次質詢完 |
| 00:03:04,000 | 00:03:06,000 | 第二天就開始要這資料 |
| 00:03:06,000 | 00:03:08,000 | 我們等一下馬上送過去給 |
| 00:03:08,000 | 00:03:10,000 | 委員 |
| 00:03:10,000 | 00:03:12,000 | 因為我想說你這個本來食安法就規定了 |
| 00:03:12,000 | 00:03:14,000 | 那半年至少要做一次 |
| 00:03:14,000 | 00:03:16,000 | 這個檢驗 |
| 00:03:16,000 | 00:03:18,000 | 他的報告內容都 |
| 00:03:18,000 | 00:03:20,000 | 他的報告的檢驗結果都是 |
| 00:03:20,000 | 00:03:22,000 | 合標啦 這個是我們的質疑啦 |
| 00:03:22,000 | 00:03:24,000 | 所以我們衛福部 |
| 00:03:24,000 | 00:03:26,000 | 針對中聯 |
| 00:03:26,000 | 00:03:28,000 | 福壽 福茂 泰山 |
| 00:03:28,000 | 00:03:30,000 | 南僑這些 |
| 00:03:30,000 | 00:03:32,000 | 我們都半年都有按照規定去 |
| 00:03:32,000 | 00:03:34,000 | 檢驗 然後都有他檢驗 |
| 00:03:34,000 | 00:03:36,000 | 報告嗎 這次都有去查場 |
| 00:03:36,000 | 00:03:38,000 | 查的話他們都有 |
| 00:03:38,000 | 00:03:40,000 | 按規定 |
| 00:03:40,000 | 00:03:42,000 | 有的他甚至是 |
| 00:03:42,000 | 00:03:44,000 | 一季檢驗一次 |
| 00:03:44,000 | 00:03:46,000 | 所以是半年至少 |
| 00:03:46,000 | 00:03:48,000 | 所以也有一季檢驗 |
| 00:03:48,000 | 00:03:50,000 | 所以重點都一直有按照這個規定的時間 |
| 00:03:50,000 | 00:03:52,000 | 去查驗 |
| 00:03:52,000 | 00:03:54,000 | 都有這查驗報告 有時間 |
| 00:03:54,000 | 00:03:56,000 | 有檢驗報告嗎 什麼時候去查 |
| 00:03:56,000 | 00:03:58,000 | 最少半年要一次啊 你們這個數據 |
| 00:03:58,000 | 00:04:00,000 | 因為一直認為說 |
| 00:04:00,000 | 00:04:02,000 | 要不出資料 到底有沒有 |
| 00:04:02,000 | 00:04:04,000 | 按照規定去查驗 |
| 00:04:04,000 | 00:04:06,000 | 這個是這樣 這一些都是他要 |
| 00:04:06,000 | 00:04:08,000 | 按照這個 這是自主檢驗的一部分 |
| 00:04:08,000 | 00:04:10,000 | 自主檢驗要驗 |
| 00:04:10,000 | 00:04:12,000 | 然後他的報告要留存 |
| 00:04:12,000 | 00:04:14,000 | 然後地方去查場的時候 |
| 00:04:14,000 | 00:04:16,000 | 他就要提供這些資料 |
| 00:04:16,000 | 00:04:18,000 | 讓他查 |
| 00:04:18,000 | 00:04:20,000 | 他的概念是這樣 |
| 00:04:20,000 | 00:04:22,000 | 因為我希望我們這個主管單位 |
| 00:04:22,000 | 00:04:24,000 | 一定要監督這個業者 |
| 00:04:24,000 | 00:04:26,000 | 這個自主檢驗 還有我們自己的 |
| 00:04:26,000 | 00:04:28,000 | 第三方查驗 |
| 00:04:28,000 | 00:04:30,000 | 因為一直要不到這個資料 我想說 |
| 00:04:30,000 | 00:04:32,000 | 如果真的有做 一定可以提供 |
| 00:04:32,000 | 00:04:34,000 | 一直沒有提供 我們就認為 |
| 00:04:34,000 | 00:04:36,000 | 是不是沒有按照規定來做 |
| 00:04:36,000 | 00:04:38,000 | 可能我們最近食藥署同仁比較忙 |
| 00:04:38,000 | 00:04:40,000 | 所以漏掉了 |
| 00:04:40,000 | 00:04:42,000 | 我們立刻就可以送 這個資料 |
| 00:04:42,000 | 00:04:44,000 | 都有 我都看過 |
| 00:04:44,000 | 00:04:46,000 | 而且我們衛福部食藥署 |
| 00:04:46,000 | 00:04:48,000 | 這邊也有建立 |
| 00:04:48,000 | 00:04:50,000 | 我們的食品追溯 |
| 00:04:50,000 | 00:04:52,000 | 追蹤系統 這個管理 |
| 00:04:52,000 | 00:04:54,000 | 對不對 |
| 00:04:54,000 | 00:04:56,000 | 對 有 那為什麼我們上去 |
| 00:04:56,000 | 00:04:58,000 | 查 那福壽 |
| 00:04:58,000 | 00:05:00,000 | 只有上傳到 |
| 00:05:00,000 | 00:05:02,000 | 去年的七月 |
| 00:05:02,000 | 00:05:04,000 | 然後從七月以後一直到今年 |
| 00:05:04,000 | 00:05:06,000 | 都沒有上傳 |
| 00:05:06,000 | 00:05:08,000 | 那泰山 泰山更離譜 |
| 00:05:08,000 | 00:05:10,000 | 上傳到 |
| 00:05:10,000 | 00:05:12,000 | 2021年的一月 |
| 00:05:12,000 | 00:05:14,000 | 就沒有再上傳 |
| 00:05:14,000 | 00:05:16,000 | 所以這個業者 |
| 00:05:16,000 | 00:05:18,000 | 這個資訊 你們自己建立 |
| 00:05:18,000 | 00:05:20,000 | 這個管理系統 他們都沒有 |
| 00:05:20,000 | 00:05:22,000 | 按照規定上傳 你沒有監督 |
| 00:05:22,000 | 00:05:24,000 | 也都沒有去處理 |
| 00:05:24,000 | 00:05:26,000 | 難道沒有監督 也沒有任何 |
| 00:05:26,000 | 00:05:28,000 | 處理辦法 那你訂定這個 |
| 00:05:28,000 | 00:05:30,000 | 管理辦法 管理系統 |
| 00:05:30,000 | 00:05:32,000 | 有什麼意義 然後我們監督 |
| 00:05:32,000 | 00:05:34,000 | 單位 他們沒有上傳 |
| 00:05:34,000 | 00:05:36,000 | 你們也沒去處理 然後 |
| 00:05:36,000 | 00:05:38,000 | 事情爆發之後 |
| 00:05:38,000 | 00:05:40,000 | 才發現 都沒有按照規定來辦 |
| 00:05:40,000 | 00:05:42,000 | 沒有按照規定去查驗 |
| 00:05:44,000 | 00:05:46,000 | 我們是不是再跟委員確認一下 |
| 00:05:46,000 | 00:05:48,000 | 因為我們同仁查的 |
| 00:05:48,000 | 00:05:50,000 | 是都有 所以是不是 |
| 00:05:50,000 | 00:05:52,000 | 在那個 我們都有上網去查 |
| 00:05:56,000 | 00:05:58,000 | 跟委員說明一下 那個系統在哪裡 |
| 00:05:58,000 | 00:06:00,000 | 是跟委員報告 |
| 00:06:00,000 | 00:06:02,000 | 那這一些東西 |
| 00:06:02,000 | 00:06:04,000 | 都是會在我們非追不可的平台裡面 |
| 00:06:04,000 | 00:06:06,000 | 那這個部分的話 |
| 00:06:06,000 | 00:06:08,000 | 如果委員秀的是這個圖示的話 |
| 00:06:08,000 | 00:06:10,000 | 應該是在我們另外一個 |
| 00:06:10,000 | 00:06:12,000 | 公開的平台 應該是 |
| 00:06:12,000 | 00:06:14,000 | 不一樣的地方 以上 |
| 00:06:14,000 | 00:06:16,000 | 所以我這邊 |
| 00:06:16,000 | 00:06:18,000 | 我希望我們 |
| 00:06:18,000 | 00:06:20,000 | 因為我們要這資料 要這麼久 |
| 00:06:20,000 | 00:06:22,000 | 都沒拿到 我們上去查也沒查到 |
| 00:06:22,000 | 00:06:24,000 | 那你這個本來 |
| 00:06:24,000 | 00:06:26,000 | 就是公開的系統 就是要讓 |
| 00:06:26,000 | 00:06:28,000 | 民眾去了解 我們要讓 |
| 00:06:28,000 | 00:06:30,000 | 民眾知道我們衛福部 |
| 00:06:30,000 | 00:06:32,000 | 我們食藥署有沒有按照 |
| 00:06:32,000 | 00:06:34,000 | 自己食安法的規定 |
| 00:06:34,000 | 00:06:36,000 | 在監督我們的業者 |
| 00:06:36,000 | 00:06:38,000 | 那我們看到就這麼久都沒做 |
| 00:06:38,000 | 00:06:40,000 | 跟你們要資料又要不到 |
| 00:06:40,000 | 00:06:42,000 | 我們就合理懷疑 根本沒有落實這個查驗 |
| 00:06:42,000 | 00:06:44,000 | 然後業者也沒做 |
| 00:06:44,000 | 00:06:46,000 | 你們也沒好好的監督 |
| 00:06:46,000 | 00:06:48,000 | 所以才會後面爆發這麼多的問題 |
| 00:06:48,000 | 00:06:50,000 | 跟委員抱歉 我們沒有及時提供資料 |
| 00:06:50,000 | 00:06:52,000 | 我們待會立刻就補 |
| 00:06:52,000 | 00:06:54,000 | 好 我們希望這個 |
| 00:06:54,000 | 00:06:56,000 | 管理系統 |
| 00:06:56,000 | 00:06:58,000 | 全部一定要來更新 |
| 00:06:58,000 | 00:07:00,000 | 現在有爆發這個事情 |
| 00:07:00,000 | 00:07:02,000 | 我們也擔心有沒有其他的食品 |
| 00:07:02,000 | 00:07:04,000 | 也有相關的問題 |
| 00:07:04,000 | 00:07:06,000 | 所以一定要落實我們自己食安法 |
| 00:07:06,000 | 00:07:08,000 | 你自己建立這個管理系統 |
| 00:07:08,000 | 00:07:10,000 | 業者有沒有做 |
| 00:07:10,000 | 00:07:12,000 | 我們主管單位有沒有去監督 |
| 00:07:12,000 | 00:07:14,000 | 這個都是我們應該要落實去做的吧 |
| 00:07:14,000 | 00:07:16,000 | 好 我們也一併跟委員 |
| 00:07:16,000 | 00:07:18,000 | 了解一下那個系統的查詢 |
| 00:07:18,000 | 00:07:20,000 | 看看是哪一個系統 |
| 00:07:20,000 | 00:07:22,000 | 這個 |
| 00:07:22,000 | 00:07:24,000 | 好像我們這邊 |
| 00:07:24,000 | 00:07:26,000 | 查是有的 |
| 00:07:26,000 | 00:07:28,000 | 我們再確認一下 |
| 00:07:28,000 | 00:07:30,000 | 資料馬上迅速提供給我們 |
| 00:07:30,000 | 00:07:32,000 | 然後這個管理系統 |
| 00:07:32,000 | 00:07:34,000 | 希望馬上來更新 |
| 00:07:34,000 | 00:07:36,000 | 我們派人到委員辦公室去了解 |
| 00:07:36,000 | 00:07:38,000 | 這個系統 |
| 00:07:38,000 | 00:07:40,000 | 那我們現在也針對 |
| 00:07:40,000 | 00:07:42,000 | 蘋果的部分 |
| 00:07:42,000 | 00:07:44,000 | 農藥殘留量 |
| 00:07:44,000 | 00:07:46,000 | 從0.5ppm到 |
| 00:07:46,000 | 00:07:48,000 | 3ppm |
| 00:07:48,000 | 00:07:50,000 | 這個放寬 |
| 00:07:50,000 | 00:07:52,000 | 到6倍 |
| 00:07:52,000 | 00:07:54,000 | 那我想請問一下為什麼 |
| 00:07:54,000 | 00:07:56,000 | 會突然要放寬 |
| 00:07:56,000 | 00:07:58,000 | 分普林的殘留容許量 |
| 00:07:58,000 | 00:08:00,000 | 這個是 |
| 00:08:00,000 | 00:08:02,000 | 按照我們過去 |
| 00:08:02,000 | 00:08:04,000 | 調整標準的程序 |
| 00:08:04,000 | 00:08:06,000 | 都是先要有 |
| 00:08:06,000 | 00:08:08,000 | 業者也好或農民也好 |
| 00:08:08,000 | 00:08:10,000 | 或農業部這邊轉過來 |
| 00:08:10,000 | 00:08:12,000 | 要調整這個 |
| 00:08:12,000 | 00:08:14,000 | 標準或者是新增農藥的品項 |
| 00:08:14,000 | 00:08:16,000 | 這個時候我們才會 |
| 00:08:16,000 | 00:08:18,000 | 進入後面的評估程序 |
| 00:08:18,000 | 00:08:20,000 | 所以這個是在 |
| 00:08:20,000 | 00:08:22,000 | 111年那麼有業者 |
| 00:08:22,000 | 00:08:24,000 | 提出那麼對於這個 |
| 00:08:24,000 | 00:08:26,000 | 分普林的農藥標準 |
| 00:08:26,000 | 00:08:28,000 | 要進行調整 |
| 00:08:28,000 | 00:08:30,000 | 好那個部長我有看你在接受 |
| 00:08:30,000 | 00:08:32,000 | 媒體訪問啦 |
| 00:08:32,000 | 00:08:34,000 | 你是說因為農民 |
| 00:08:34,000 | 00:08:36,000 | 及業者的要求 |
| 00:08:36,000 | 00:08:38,000 | 那我想請問一下 |
| 00:08:38,000 | 00:08:40,000 | 你口中的農民到底是 |
| 00:08:40,000 | 00:08:42,000 | 指美國的農民還是指 |
| 00:08:42,000 | 00:08:44,000 | 台灣的農民 |
| 00:08:44,000 | 00:08:46,000 | 我們4月公告的這一批 |
| 00:08:46,000 | 00:08:48,000 | 一共含了174個品項 |
| 00:08:48,000 | 00:08:50,000 | 那其中有120個 |
| 00:08:50,000 | 00:08:52,000 | 品項呢他是 |
| 00:08:52,000 | 00:08:54,000 | 來自這個國內的 |
| 00:08:54,000 | 00:08:56,000 | 農作的需要 |
| 00:08:56,000 | 00:08:58,000 | 然後透過農業部 |
| 00:08:58,000 | 00:09:00,000 | 那麼轉給我們的這個一共有120項 |
| 00:09:00,000 | 00:09:02,000 | 那我們也是一樣進入一些 |
| 00:09:02,000 | 00:09:04,000 | 討論之後把它修訂 |
| 00:09:04,000 | 00:09:06,000 | 那另外有54項 |
| 00:09:06,000 | 00:09:08,000 | 是屬於進口 |
| 00:09:08,000 | 00:09:10,000 | 需要的那也是 |
| 00:09:10,000 | 00:09:12,000 | 我們在這一次的評估程序 |
| 00:09:12,000 | 00:09:14,000 | 裡面一併去討論 |
| 00:09:14,000 | 00:09:16,000 | 結論出來做的修正 |
| 00:09:16,000 | 00:09:18,000 | 可是我們看了一下喔台灣的蘋果 |
| 00:09:18,000 | 00:09:20,000 | 其實絕大多數都 |
| 00:09:20,000 | 00:09:22,000 | 仰賴進口 |
| 00:09:22,000 | 00:09:24,000 | 美國啦紐西蘭啦日本智利 |
| 00:09:24,000 | 00:09:26,000 | 而且美國的喔我們看一下 |
| 00:09:26,000 | 00:09:28,000 | 超過三分之一 |
| 00:09:28,000 | 00:09:30,000 | 那台灣本身 |
| 00:09:30,000 | 00:09:32,000 | 的產量大概只有 |
| 00:09:32,000 | 00:09:34,000 | 到113年我們看只有1100噸 |
| 00:09:34,000 | 00:09:36,000 | 也只有占我們整體 |
| 00:09:36,000 | 00:09:38,000 | 市場的0.7% |
| 00:09:38,000 | 00:09:40,000 | 所以我不認為 |
| 00:09:40,000 | 00:09:42,000 | 台灣的農民會去要求 |
| 00:09:42,000 | 00:09:44,000 | 這個分普名他要去放寬吧 |
| 00:09:44,000 | 00:09:46,000 | 這個看起來是應該 |
| 00:09:46,000 | 00:09:48,000 | 美國農民的要求 |
| 00:09:48,000 | 00:09:50,000 | 進口商 |
| 00:09:50,000 | 00:09:52,000 | 是業者嗎 |
| 00:09:52,000 | 00:09:54,000 | 所以我那時候看你在媒體接受訪問 |
| 00:09:54,000 | 00:09:56,000 | 你說農民跟 |
| 00:09:56,000 | 00:09:58,000 | 業者的要求我突然就 |
| 00:09:58,000 | 00:10:00,000 | 查了一下我心裡想 |
| 00:10:00,000 | 00:10:02,000 | 台灣市占率為乎其微 |
| 00:10:02,000 | 00:10:04,000 | 所以是不是美國農民 |
| 00:10:04,000 | 00:10:06,000 | 要求要放寬 |
| 00:10:06,000 | 00:10:08,000 | 這一次一共有174項 |
| 00:10:08,000 | 00:10:10,000 | 那有一些120項是 |
| 00:10:10,000 | 00:10:12,000 | 國內農民的需要 |
| 00:10:12,000 | 00:10:14,000 | 有54項是進口的需要 |
| 00:10:14,000 | 00:10:16,000 | 意思是這樣 |
| 00:10:16,000 | 00:10:18,000 | 這個美國蘋果分普名 |
| 00:10:18,000 | 00:10:20,000 | 不是我們台灣農民的需要 |
| 00:10:20,000 | 00:10:22,000 | 進口的需要 |
| 00:10:22,000 | 00:10:24,000 | 因為我看一下你看 |
| 00:10:24,000 | 00:10:26,000 | 115年4月21號 |
| 00:10:26,000 | 00:10:28,000 | 我們修正農藥殘留容許量 |
| 00:10:28,000 | 00:10:30,000 | 的標準 |
| 00:10:30,000 | 00:10:32,000 | 這個真正台灣農民需要的 |
| 00:10:32,000 | 00:10:34,000 | 我們看他公佈的 |
| 00:10:34,000 | 00:10:36,000 | 就是我們眼衰 |
| 00:10:36,000 | 00:10:38,000 | 眼衰真的是台灣農民 |
| 00:10:38,000 | 00:10:40,000 | 希望這個可以放寬 |
| 00:10:40,000 | 00:10:42,000 | 那蘋果我們上面 |
| 00:10:42,000 | 00:10:44,000 | 也看得很清楚就是業者 |
| 00:10:44,000 | 00:10:46,000 | 的申請所以部長 |
| 00:10:46,000 | 00:10:48,000 | 那時候說蘋果是農民 |
| 00:10:48,000 | 00:10:50,000 | 跟業者的需要我們 |
| 00:10:50,000 | 00:10:52,000 | 看了我真的是傻眼 |
| 00:10:52,000 | 00:10:54,000 | 台灣的農民台灣的 |
| 00:10:54,000 | 00:10:56,000 | 蘋果他怎麼希望放寬 |
| 00:10:56,000 | 00:10:58,000 | 他只占台灣市場 |
| 00:10:58,000 | 00:11:00,000 | 的0.7%他怎麼 |
| 00:11:00,000 | 00:11:02,000 | 希望放寬所以我希望 |
| 00:11:02,000 | 00:11:04,000 | 部長在回答的時候 |
| 00:11:04,000 | 00:11:06,000 | 我突然會覺得說 |
| 00:11:06,000 | 00:11:08,000 | 我們的衛福部蘋果 |
| 00:11:08,000 | 00:11:10,000 | 這分普名的放寬怎麼會 |
| 00:11:10,000 | 00:11:12,000 | 因應美國農民業者的 |
| 00:11:12,000 | 00:11:14,000 | 需求我覺得我們 |
| 00:11:14,000 | 00:11:16,000 | 是台灣的衛福部 |
| 00:11:16,000 | 00:11:18,000 | 不是美國的衛福部不是美國的 |
| 00:11:18,000 | 00:11:20,000 | FDA |
| 00:11:20,000 | 00:11:22,000 | 所以這部分我覺得 |
| 00:11:22,000 | 00:11:24,000 | 部長在回答的時候 |
| 00:11:24,000 | 00:11:26,000 | 讓我們有很大 |
| 00:11:26,000 | 00:11:28,000 | 想像的空間 |
| 00:11:28,000 | 00:11:30,000 | 報道沒有把它寫清楚我講的是 |
| 00:11:30,000 | 00:11:32,000 | 這一次4月全部所 |
| 00:11:32,000 | 00:11:34,000 | 這個調整的是 |
| 00:11:34,000 | 00:11:36,000 | 有這兩個來源 |
| 00:11:36,000 | 00:11:38,000 | 而且你看我們看你們公佈的 |
| 00:11:38,000 | 00:11:40,000 | 農藥 |
| 00:11:40,000 | 00:11:42,000 | 農藥殘留容許量標準 |
| 00:11:42,000 | 00:11:44,000 | 你說這個業者申請 |
| 00:11:44,000 | 00:11:46,000 | 而且他完全都是採用 |
| 00:11:46,000 | 00:11:48,000 | 符合美國登記的施用方法 |
| 00:11:48,000 | 00:11:50,000 | 跟施藥方法 |
| 00:11:50,000 | 00:11:52,000 | 來做所以這部分 |
| 00:11:52,000 | 00:11:54,000 | 我們就會認為 |
| 00:11:54,000 | 00:11:56,000 | 是不是因為是 |
| 00:11:56,000 | 00:11:58,000 | 美國要求放寬 |
| 00:11:58,000 | 00:12:00,000 | 這個跟委員說明 |
| 00:12:00,000 | 00:12:02,000 | 他其實是 |
| 00:12:02,000 | 00:12:04,000 | 有兩段一個是按照 |
| 00:12:04,000 | 00:12:06,000 | 他的標準施作就是 |
| 00:12:06,000 | 00:12:08,000 | GAH去操作 |
| 00:12:08,000 | 00:12:10,000 | 出來那麼可能的 |
| 00:12:10,000 | 00:12:12,000 | 這個殘留量 |
| 00:12:12,000 | 00:12:14,000 | 然後再套進公式 |
| 00:12:14,000 | 00:12:16,000 | 導入這個國人的 |
| 00:12:16,000 | 00:12:18,000 | 使用習慣才會定出來 |
| 00:12:18,000 | 00:12:20,000 | 所以才會有每個國家不一樣 |
| 00:12:20,000 | 00:12:22,000 | 的標準出來 |
| 00:12:22,000 | 00:12:24,000 | 因為這個一下子的大幅放寬 |
| 00:12:24,000 | 00:12:26,000 | 也難怪國人對這個食安 |
| 00:12:26,000 | 00:12:28,000 | 現在剛好又爆發這個使用 |
| 00:12:28,000 | 00:12:30,000 | 然後一下子又蘋果 |
| 00:12:30,000 | 00:12:32,000 | 為什麼說毒蘋果 |
| 00:12:32,000 | 00:12:34,000 | 從0.5ppm一下放大6倍 |
| 00:12:34,000 | 00:12:36,000 | 到3ppm然後又剛好 |
| 00:12:36,000 | 00:12:38,000 | 碰到你看114年9月24號 |
| 00:12:40,000 | 00:12:42,000 | 我們開了第四次的食品 |
| 00:12:42,000 | 00:12:44,000 | 衛生安全營養之一會 |
| 00:12:44,000 | 00:12:46,000 | 然後在115年 |
| 00:12:46,000 | 00:12:48,000 | 2月12號 |
| 00:12:48,000 | 00:12:50,000 | 我們行政院經貿辦公室 |
| 00:12:50,000 | 00:12:52,000 | 跟美國貿易代表完成 |
| 00:12:52,000 | 00:12:54,000 | 台美對等貿易 |
| 00:12:54,000 | 00:12:56,000 | 協定也是我們說的 |
| 00:12:56,000 | 00:12:58,000 | Art隨後 |
| 00:12:58,000 | 00:13:00,000 | 美國就在 |
| 00:13:00,000 | 00:13:02,000 | 115年3月31號 |
| 00:13:02,000 | 00:13:04,000 | 公佈2026年 |
| 00:13:04,000 | 00:13:06,000 | 貿易障礙報告 |
| 00:13:06,000 | 00:13:08,000 | 這個時候我們才發現 |
| 00:13:08,000 | 00:13:10,000 | 原來我們 |
| 00:13:10,000 | 00:13:12,000 | 行政院經辦居然 |
| 00:13:12,000 | 00:13:14,000 | 犧牲國人食安 |
| 00:13:14,000 | 00:13:16,000 | 大幅來放寬 |
| 00:13:16,000 | 00:13:18,000 | 這個農藥最大 |
| 00:13:18,000 | 00:13:20,000 | 殘留容許量 |
| 00:13:20,000 | 00:13:22,000 | 來降低貿易障礙 |
| 00:13:22,000 | 00:13:24,000 | 所以這一部分我們就 |
| 00:13:24,000 | 00:13:26,000 | 合理的認為是不是 |
| 00:13:26,000 | 00:13:28,000 | 完全就是因為這個對等貿易 |
| 00:13:28,000 | 00:13:30,000 | 來犧牲我們國人的食安健康 |
| 00:13:30,000 | 00:13:32,000 | 跟委員說明不會 |
| 00:13:32,000 | 00:13:34,000 | 我們衛福部主要就是 |
| 00:13:34,000 | 00:13:36,000 | 確保國人的健康 |
| 00:13:36,000 | 00:13:38,000 | 所以這個一定會食安把關 |
| 00:13:38,000 | 00:13:40,000 | 那麼這個程序上 |
| 00:13:40,000 | 00:13:42,000 | 其實是進行很久 |
| 00:13:42,000 | 00:13:44,000 | 就如果我剛剛說明的 |
| 00:13:44,000 | 00:13:46,000 | 這個品項的提出是在111年 |
| 00:13:46,000 | 00:13:48,000 | 就已經提出來 |
| 00:13:48,000 | 00:13:50,000 | 中間進行了很多次 |
| 00:13:50,000 | 00:13:52,000 | 包含這些資料 |
| 00:13:52,000 | 00:13:54,000 | 的補充、收集 |
| 00:13:54,000 | 00:13:56,000 | 然後再進行評估 |
| 00:13:56,000 | 00:13:58,000 | 直到114年的9月 |
| 00:13:58,000 | 00:14:00,000 | 那麼才 |
| 00:14:00,000 | 00:14:02,000 | 開會確認 |
| 00:14:02,000 | 00:14:04,000 | 我們是連同其他的品項 |
| 00:14:04,000 | 00:14:06,000 | 在115年的1月份 |
| 00:14:06,000 | 00:14:08,000 | 做預告 |
| 00:14:08,000 | 00:14:10,000 | 預告60日之後沒有評論的意見 |
| 00:14:10,000 | 00:14:12,000 | 我們才在4月正式公告 |
| 00:14:12,000 | 00:14:14,000 | 對啊所以 |
| 00:14:14,000 | 00:14:16,000 | 剛剛我講這個時辰 |
| 00:14:16,000 | 00:14:18,000 | 你看 |
| 00:14:18,000 | 00:14:20,000 | 從我們 |
| 00:14:20,000 | 00:14:22,000 | 政力軍率團去談判 |
| 00:14:22,000 | 00:14:24,000 | 這一連串的 |
| 00:14:24,000 | 00:14:26,000 | 從我們自己的食安會議 |
| 00:14:26,000 | 00:14:28,000 | 再到行政院經貿辦公室 |
| 00:14:28,000 | 00:14:30,000 | 跟美國貿易談判 |
| 00:14:30,000 | 00:14:32,000 | 後來針對這些的放寬 |
| 00:14:32,000 | 00:14:34,000 | 像我們 |
| 00:14:34,000 | 00:14:36,000 | 針對萊豬的內臟 |
| 00:14:36,000 | 00:14:38,000 | 發芽的馬鈴薯 |
| 00:14:38,000 | 00:14:40,000 | 還有現在再到芬普林的蘋果 |
| 00:14:40,000 | 00:14:42,000 | 我們說啊 |
| 00:14:42,000 | 00:14:44,000 | 連美國人自己都不吃的東西啊 |
| 00:14:44,000 | 00:14:46,000 | 結果我們大幅放寬 |
| 00:14:46,000 | 00:14:48,000 | 銷到台灣來要讓我們的台灣人民吃 |
| 00:14:48,000 | 00:14:50,000 | 還有剛剛前面 |
| 00:14:50,000 | 00:14:52,000 | 我也跟部長講 |
| 00:14:52,000 | 00:14:54,000 | 那時候我也是看到你 |
| 00:14:54,000 | 00:14:56,000 | 接受媒體的訪問你說 |
| 00:14:56,000 | 00:14:58,000 | 美國芬普林這蘋果 |
| 00:14:58,000 | 00:15:00,000 | 你說因應農民跟業者的需求 |
| 00:15:00,000 | 00:15:02,000 | 所以一連串的行為啊 |
| 00:15:02,000 | 00:15:04,000 | 我們都認為說 |
| 00:15:04,000 | 00:15:06,000 | 是不是真的完全 |
| 00:15:06,000 | 00:15:08,000 | 礙於美國經貿對等 |
| 00:15:08,000 | 00:15:10,000 | 談判的壓力 |
| 00:15:10,000 | 00:15:12,000 | 所以大幅放寬 |
| 00:15:12,000 | 00:15:14,000 | 這些東西的進口 |
| 00:15:14,000 | 00:15:16,000 | 讓美國人自己都不吃 |
| 00:15:16,000 | 00:15:18,000 | 然後把這個標準 |
| 00:15:18,000 | 00:15:20,000 | 一再的放寬 |
| 00:15:20,000 | 00:15:22,000 | 所以希望我們部長 |
| 00:15:22,000 | 00:15:24,000 | 還有署長針對這一部分 |
| 00:15:24,000 | 00:15:26,000 | 我們一定要捍衛我們國人的健康 |
| 00:15:26,000 | 00:15:28,000 | 守護我們的食安 |
| 00:15:28,000 | 00:15:30,000 | 我說啊 |
| 00:15:30,000 | 00:15:32,000 | 我們是台灣的衛福部部長 |
| 00:15:32,000 | 00:15:34,000 | 不是美國的FDA |
| 00:15:34,000 | 00:15:36,000 | 所以希望我們還是以國人的 |
| 00:15:36,000 | 00:15:38,000 | 健康食安為前提好不好 |
| 00:15:38,000 | 00:15:40,000 | 一定這個 |
| 00:15:40,000 | 00:15:42,000 | 食安一定是為前提的 |
| 00:15:42,000 | 00:15:44,000 | 健康風險評估一定是我們在 |
| 00:15:44,000 | 00:15:46,000 | 調整所有標準必要的 |
| 00:15:46,000 | 00:15:48,000 | 程序 |
| 00:15:48,000 | 00:15:50,000 | 所以我們這個也都是按照既定的程序走 |
| 00:15:50,000 | 00:15:52,000 | 這個跟這個ART |
| 00:15:52,000 | 00:15:54,000 | 美國的談判這個是完全沒有關係 |
| 00:15:54,000 | 00:15:56,000 | 所以我們按照既定的程序 |
| 00:15:56,000 | 00:15:58,000 | 所以剛好這一連串的事情 |
| 00:15:58,000 | 00:16:00,000 | 現在又爆發 |
| 00:16:00,000 | 00:16:02,000 | 自來食用油 |
| 00:16:02,000 | 00:16:04,000 | 含這個本篇比 |
| 00:16:04,000 | 00:16:06,000 | 也希望部長署長 |
| 00:16:06,000 | 00:16:08,000 | 拜託大家多加油 |
| 00:16:08,000 | 00:16:10,000 | 真的我們現在這食安問題 |
| 00:16:10,000 | 00:16:12,000 | 你看油的問題也出 |
| 00:16:12,000 | 00:16:14,000 | 然後美國進口的這些 |
| 00:16:14,000 | 00:16:16,000 | 食品全部大幅放寬 |
| 00:16:16,000 | 00:16:18,000 | 我相信 |
| 00:16:18,000 | 00:16:20,000 | 這不是民眾願意接受的 |
| 00:16:20,000 | 00:16:22,000 | 這些東西能夠讓他大幅的進口 |
| 00:16:22,000 | 00:16:24,000 | 希望還是以捍衛 |
| 00:16:24,000 | 00:16:26,000 | 我們國人的健康 |
| 00:16:26,000 | 00:16:28,000 | 保護我們的食安好不好 |
| 00:16:28,000 | 00:16:30,000 | 我們把關的這個要求跟標準 |
| 00:16:30,000 | 00:16:32,000 | 不會改變 |
| 00:16:32,000 | 00:16:34,000 | 謝謝謝謝委員 |