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陳冠廷 @ 第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第28次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:02,000 | 你好 我們請部長 |
| 00:00:02,000 | 00:00:04,000 | 請林部長 |
| 00:00:12,000 | 00:00:14,000 | 委員好 |
| 00:00:14,000 | 00:00:16,000 | 部長好 部長我想 |
| 00:00:16,000 | 00:00:19,000 | 最近有一個比較重要的民調 |
| 00:00:19,000 | 00:00:22,000 | 由全球的民調統計 |
| 00:00:22,000 | 00:00:24,000 | 由皮尤研究中心來統計 |
| 00:00:24,000 | 00:00:25,000 | 近20年來 |
| 00:00:25,000 | 00:00:28,000 | 有出現首次中國的 |
| 00:00:28,000 | 00:00:30,000 | 整體在各個國家的觀感 |
| 00:00:30,000 | 00:00:32,000 | 超過美國的狀況 |
| 00:00:32,000 | 00:00:34,000 | 那我認為這是一個非常值得 |
| 00:00:34,000 | 00:00:36,000 | 台灣警覺的一個部分 |
| 00:00:36,000 | 00:00:38,000 | 因為說中國的 |
| 00:00:38,000 | 00:00:40,000 | 過去我們的這個敘事模式 |
| 00:00:40,000 | 00:00:42,000 | 特別是在 |
| 00:00:42,000 | 00:00:47,000 | 2020年到2023年左右 |
| 00:00:47,000 | 00:00:49,000 | 那幾年我們大概都是 |
| 00:00:49,000 | 00:00:51,000 | 以價值外交為主 |
| 00:00:51,000 | 00:00:53,000 | 那對台灣來說 |
| 00:00:53,000 | 00:00:55,000 | 民主跟我們的法治的制度 |
| 00:00:55,000 | 00:00:57,000 | 它一直以來就是我們 |
| 00:00:57,000 | 00:00:59,000 | 跟各個國家交往的 |
| 00:00:59,000 | 00:01:01,000 | 一個重要的基石 |
| 00:01:01,000 | 00:01:02,000 | 這是正確的 |
| 00:01:02,000 | 00:01:03,000 | 而且也是我們必須要 |
| 00:01:03,000 | 00:01:05,000 | 持續去推廣的 |
| 00:01:05,000 | 00:01:06,000 | 但是我們發覺到 |
| 00:01:06,000 | 00:01:08,000 | 30幾個國家的這一個 |
| 00:01:08,000 | 00:01:11,000 | 涵蓋30多個國家的這個調查 |
| 00:01:11,000 | 00:01:13,000 | 其中很多國家 |
| 00:01:13,000 | 00:01:15,000 | 他們對中國的信任度 |
| 00:01:15,000 | 00:01:17,000 | 是甚至高過於美國的 |
| 00:01:17,000 | 00:01:19,000 | 那這些國家主要的分布 |
| 00:01:19,000 | 00:01:21,000 | 有哪一些分布 |
| 00:01:21,000 | 00:01:23,000 | 當然在非洲國家也好 |
| 00:01:23,000 | 00:01:25,000 | 或者是在東南亞國家也好 |
| 00:01:25,000 | 00:01:27,000 | 或者是傳統的這一個 |
| 00:01:27,000 | 00:01:29,000 | 新興大國 |
| 00:01:29,000 | 00:01:30,000 | 新興國家 |
| 00:01:30,000 | 00:01:32,000 | 他可能會對中國的 |
| 00:01:32,000 | 00:01:34,000 | 支持度比較高 |
| 00:01:34,000 | 00:01:35,000 | 那我們仔細去研擬 |
| 00:01:35,000 | 00:01:36,000 | 研析這個問題 |
| 00:01:36,000 | 00:01:37,000 | 大概可以看到 |
| 00:01:37,000 | 00:01:39,000 | 有些是以經濟利益為考量 |
| 00:01:39,000 | 00:01:41,000 | 那傳統上的歐洲國家 |
| 00:01:41,000 | 00:01:43,000 | 那當然是因為 |
| 00:01:43,000 | 00:01:45,000 | 近期的美歐之間的關係 |
| 00:01:45,000 | 00:01:47,000 | 沒有像過往這樣子 |
| 00:01:47,000 | 00:01:49,000 | 那當然有一些變動 |
| 00:01:49,000 | 00:01:51,000 | 但是我必須要強調就是說 |
| 00:01:51,000 | 00:01:54,000 | 看來我們的外交的這個論述 |
| 00:01:54,000 | 00:01:56,000 | 國家的論述 |
| 00:01:56,000 | 00:01:58,000 | 他必須要從價值外交 |
| 00:01:58,000 | 00:02:02,000 | 到林部長你講的全方位外交 |
| 00:02:02,000 | 00:02:04,000 | 也就是說我們要把國家安全 |
| 00:02:04,000 | 00:02:06,000 | 國家價值 |
| 00:02:06,000 | 00:02:08,000 | 還有國家的責任 |
| 00:02:08,000 | 00:02:10,000 | 跟國家能夠扮演什麼樣的角色 |
| 00:02:10,000 | 00:02:13,000 | 來去協助開發中國家 |
| 00:02:13,000 | 00:02:15,000 | 這四個基石要把它合為一 |
| 00:02:15,000 | 00:02:17,000 | 成為一個完整的論述 |
| 00:02:17,000 | 00:02:20,000 | 而這個論述必須在我國的平台 |
| 00:02:20,000 | 00:02:21,000 | 各個平台上面 |
| 00:02:21,000 | 00:02:22,000 | 有完整的平台 |
| 00:02:22,000 | 00:02:24,000 | 用這樣子的方式把國家戰略 |
| 00:02:24,000 | 00:02:26,000 | 好好的去闡述出來 |
| 00:02:26,000 | 00:02:28,000 | 這樣我們會得到更多國家的認同 |
| 00:02:28,000 | 00:02:30,000 | 那歐洲國家一直以來 |
| 00:02:30,000 | 00:02:32,000 | 跟我們台灣都有非常密切的關係 |
| 00:02:32,000 | 00:02:34,000 | 因為他建立在不僅是市場上面 |
| 00:02:34,000 | 00:02:36,000 | 的依賴性以及對價值上面 |
| 00:02:36,000 | 00:02:40,000 | 我們是彼此是有這個互通性 |
| 00:02:40,000 | 00:02:42,000 | 而且是對人權的價值 |
| 00:02:42,000 | 00:02:44,000 | 對民主價值都有很高的沖點 |
| 00:02:44,000 | 00:02:46,000 | 但在日本跟菲律賓的話 |
| 00:02:46,000 | 00:02:48,000 | 那可能我們所要的 |
| 00:02:48,000 | 00:02:50,000 | 要關注的就是安全上面的議題 |
| 00:02:50,000 | 00:02:51,000 | 那這是安全上面的議題 |
| 00:02:51,000 | 00:02:52,000 | 海事上面的議題 |
| 00:02:52,000 | 00:02:54,000 | 在海洋上面的議題 |
| 00:02:54,000 | 00:02:56,000 | 那這是我們有共同的利害關係的 |
| 00:02:56,000 | 00:02:58,000 | 那在東南亞國家以及非洲國家 |
| 00:02:58,000 | 00:03:00,000 | 我想可能就是在基礎建設 |
| 00:03:00,000 | 00:03:02,000 | 以及我們台灣能夠提供什麼樣的 |
| 00:03:02,000 | 00:03:05,000 | 經濟上面的誘因來跟他們合作 |
| 00:03:05,000 | 00:03:08,000 | 我想因為我看到部長對這個的論述 |
| 00:03:08,000 | 00:03:09,000 | 是很全面的 |
| 00:03:09,000 | 00:03:11,000 | 那就是把我們之前過去 |
| 00:03:11,000 | 00:03:13,000 | 比較沒有補充的這個國家戰略 |
| 00:03:13,000 | 00:03:15,000 | 把它完全補充起來 |
| 00:03:15,000 | 00:03:16,000 | 部長是不是可以簡單回應 |
| 00:03:16,000 | 00:03:17,000 | 你覺得未來 |
| 00:03:17,000 | 00:03:19,000 | 未來特別是我們的國家安全 |
| 00:03:19,000 | 00:03:20,000 | 國家的這個形象 |
| 00:03:20,000 | 00:03:23,000 | 我們能夠怎麼樣來用各個面向 |
| 00:03:23,000 | 00:03:24,000 | 來把它促進 |
| 00:03:24,000 | 00:03:28,000 | 報告委員我們是有推動總和外交 |
| 00:03:28,000 | 00:03:30,000 | 因為外交是綜合國力的呈現 |
| 00:03:30,000 | 00:03:32,000 | 事實上台灣的國力是很強的 |
| 00:03:32,000 | 00:03:35,000 | 可是過去並沒有反應在外交上 |
| 00:03:35,000 | 00:03:37,000 | 外交不是外交部的外交 |
| 00:03:37,000 | 00:03:39,000 | 是台灣的外交 |
| 00:03:39,000 | 00:03:42,000 | 所以總統請我就是去規劃 |
| 00:03:42,000 | 00:03:45,000 | 有關於總和外交是搭配三鏈戰略 |
| 00:03:45,000 | 00:03:47,000 | 然後落實在龍幫計畫 |
| 00:03:47,000 | 00:03:49,000 | 那三鏈戰略大家知道是價值外交 |
| 00:03:49,000 | 00:03:52,000 | 同盟外交跟經濟的外交 |
| 00:03:52,000 | 00:03:54,000 | 而龍幫計畫透過八個優勢 |
| 00:03:54,000 | 00:03:57,000 | 我們台灣可以輸出而且可以共榮 |
| 00:03:57,000 | 00:03:59,000 | 那這個也反映在我們的預算上 |
| 00:03:59,000 | 00:04:02,000 | 那而且不只是所謂政府 |
| 00:04:02,000 | 00:04:03,000 | 部部都是外交部 |
| 00:04:03,000 | 00:04:04,000 | 我們有雙部長會議 |
| 00:04:04,000 | 00:04:06,000 | 最主要有十個部會都是雙部長 |
| 00:04:06,000 | 00:04:08,000 | 比如說醫療衛生的外交 |
| 00:04:08,000 | 00:04:11,000 | 我就跟衛福部密切合作 |
| 00:04:11,000 | 00:04:14,000 | 那當然其他包括科技文化等等 |
| 00:04:14,000 | 00:04:17,000 | 那這些龍幫計畫其實是 |
| 00:04:17,000 | 00:04:19,000 | 全世界最想跟我們來往的 |
| 00:04:19,000 | 00:04:21,000 | 那個八個旗艦計畫 |
| 00:04:21,000 | 00:04:22,000 | 你說好我們的國家 |
| 00:04:22,000 | 00:04:24,000 | 我們如果一個國家來講 |
| 00:04:24,000 | 00:04:26,000 | 我們的生存跟發展是建立在 |
| 00:04:26,000 | 00:04:28,000 | 我們的主權跟安全 |
| 00:04:28,000 | 00:04:31,000 | 在美國雖然不是我們的邦交國 |
| 00:04:31,000 | 00:04:32,000 | 當然也有台灣關係法 |
| 00:04:32,000 | 00:04:34,000 | 所以我們怎麼去跟美國 |
| 00:04:34,000 | 00:04:37,000 | 形成一個台美的共生夥伴關係 |
| 00:04:37,000 | 00:04:40,000 | 那過去也許是民主理念這種價值 |
| 00:04:40,000 | 00:04:41,000 | 然後又有這個安全上面 |
| 00:04:41,000 | 00:04:43,000 | 包括這些準同盟的關係 |
| 00:04:43,000 | 00:04:46,000 | 跟很重要我們台美的經貿 |
| 00:04:46,000 | 00:04:49,000 | 科技還有相關的這些投資關係 |
| 00:04:49,000 | 00:04:51,000 | 事實上是必須反映在 |
| 00:04:51,000 | 00:04:53,000 | 我們外交的實力跟我們的成果上 |
| 00:04:53,000 | 00:04:56,000 | 那這是我認為是重中之重 |
| 00:04:56,000 | 00:04:58,000 | 那再來就是我想所謂的 |
| 00:04:58,000 | 00:04:59,000 | 我們的邦交國 |
| 00:04:59,000 | 00:05:01,000 | 因為我們在國際上存在 |
| 00:05:01,000 | 00:05:02,000 | 如果沒有邦交國 |
| 00:05:02,000 | 00:05:04,000 | 雖然這些十二個國家 |
| 00:05:04,000 | 00:05:06,000 | 不是像美國或七十分這麼大 |
| 00:05:06,000 | 00:05:08,000 | 可是他們重要性非常大 |
| 00:05:08,000 | 00:05:10,000 | 所以我們不能把它當作雙邊關係 |
| 00:05:10,000 | 00:05:12,000 | 事實上我們的邦交國 |
| 00:05:12,000 | 00:05:14,000 | 十二個有分散在五大州 |
| 00:05:14,000 | 00:05:15,000 | 我們透過我們的邦交國 |
| 00:05:15,000 | 00:05:17,000 | 可以去經營那個州 |
| 00:05:17,000 | 00:05:19,000 | 比如說巴拉圭經行南美洲 |
| 00:05:19,000 | 00:05:20,000 | 斯瓦丁也經行非洲 |
| 00:05:20,000 | 00:05:22,000 | 那太平島有三個島國 |
| 00:05:22,000 | 00:05:25,000 | 另外就是包括加勒比海地區 |
| 00:05:25,000 | 00:05:27,000 | 所以我們的整個戰略 |
| 00:05:27,000 | 00:05:30,000 | 是以區域聯防在部署 |
| 00:05:30,000 | 00:05:33,000 | 當然我們怎麼樣去展示 |
| 00:05:33,000 | 00:05:34,000 | 跟台灣建立邦交 |
| 00:05:34,000 | 00:05:36,000 | 是對大家都有利的事情 |
| 00:05:36,000 | 00:05:38,000 | 這個我們在這兩年來 |
| 00:05:38,000 | 00:05:41,000 | 其實是做了很多很多的努力跟成了 |
| 00:05:41,000 | 00:05:43,000 | 那麼第三個我認為是G7 |
| 00:05:43,000 | 00:05:45,000 | 跟在地緣政治上 |
| 00:05:45,000 | 00:05:48,000 | 比如說菲律賓第一島鏈 |
| 00:05:48,000 | 00:05:50,000 | 然後波蘭雖然不是G7 |
| 00:05:50,000 | 00:05:52,000 | 可是它是俄羅斯 |
| 00:05:52,000 | 00:05:55,000 | 這個擴張的最前沿 |
| 00:05:55,000 | 00:05:58,000 | 這些其實有我們戰略上的意義 |
| 00:05:58,000 | 00:06:00,000 | 所以我們過去外交部的 |
| 00:06:00,000 | 00:06:01,000 | 預算人事的分配 |
| 00:06:01,000 | 00:06:03,000 | 比較沒有從這個角度 |
| 00:06:03,000 | 00:06:05,000 | 那我們現在在調整中 |
| 00:06:06,000 | 00:06:07,000 | 就是基本上就是利益 |
| 00:06:07,000 | 00:06:09,000 | 責任安全跟價值 |
| 00:06:09,000 | 00:06:12,000 | 那隨著國家的戰略變化 |
| 00:06:12,000 | 00:06:14,000 | 它的這個次序可能也要稍微 |
| 00:06:14,000 | 00:06:15,000 | 做一個排序上面的變化 |
| 00:06:15,000 | 00:06:17,000 | 那接下來我想要 |
| 00:06:17,000 | 00:06:19,000 | 特別要請教部長的 |
| 00:06:19,000 | 00:06:21,000 | 就是跟烏克蘭的合作也好 |
| 00:06:21,000 | 00:06:23,000 | 或者是無人機小組的部分 |
| 00:06:23,000 | 00:06:25,000 | 那我們都知道說 |
| 00:06:25,000 | 00:06:27,000 | 這個我們現在國家 |
| 00:06:27,000 | 00:06:29,000 | 很重視這個無人載機的發展 |
| 00:06:29,000 | 00:06:31,000 | 那我們民雄航台園區 |
| 00:06:31,000 | 00:06:33,000 | 它也要一方面中科院的園區 |
| 00:06:33,000 | 00:06:35,000 | 已經要完工 |
| 00:06:35,000 | 00:06:37,000 | 那我們另外一個部分 |
| 00:06:37,000 | 00:06:39,000 | 就是由我們一般的 |
| 00:06:39,000 | 00:06:41,000 | 軍民兩用的這個園區 |
| 00:06:41,000 | 00:06:42,000 | 準備要動土 |
| 00:06:42,000 | 00:06:44,000 | 都在同一天來正式的 |
| 00:06:44,000 | 00:06:46,000 | 來去把它一個做完工 |
| 00:06:46,000 | 00:06:47,000 | 一個就做動土 |
| 00:06:47,000 | 00:06:49,000 | 那我為什麼要講到這件事情 |
| 00:06:49,000 | 00:06:50,000 | 是因為我們發現到 |
| 00:06:50,000 | 00:06:52,000 | 中外各個地方 |
| 00:06:52,000 | 00:06:55,000 | 都有許多的無人載機的 |
| 00:06:55,000 | 00:06:57,000 | 這些公司大型的 |
| 00:06:57,000 | 00:07:00,000 | 甚至是獨角獸這種型的 |
| 00:07:00,000 | 00:07:02,000 | 這種大型的這種新創的 |
| 00:07:02,000 | 00:07:04,000 | 或者甚至有些以上式的這些公司 |
| 00:07:04,000 | 00:07:06,000 | 都想要來去進駐 |
| 00:07:06,000 | 00:07:08,000 | 那進駐的話他們都會希望說 |
| 00:07:08,000 | 00:07:10,000 | 能夠得到 |
| 00:07:10,000 | 00:07:12,000 | 有一個統一的窗口 |
| 00:07:12,000 | 00:07:13,000 | 統一的平台 |
| 00:07:13,000 | 00:07:15,000 | 那能夠得到關於園區的 |
| 00:07:15,000 | 00:07:16,000 | 最新的訊息 |
| 00:07:16,000 | 00:07:17,000 | 那這個訊息就變成說 |
| 00:07:17,000 | 00:07:19,000 | 它的語言它的翻譯很重要 |
| 00:07:19,000 | 00:07:20,000 | 怎麼樣子 |
| 00:07:20,000 | 00:07:21,000 | 所以中科院當然 |
| 00:07:21,000 | 00:07:23,000 | 自己有在做他們的部分 |
| 00:07:23,000 | 00:07:25,000 | 但是如果外交部剛才有提到說 |
| 00:07:25,000 | 00:07:27,000 | 部部都是外交部 |
| 00:07:27,000 | 00:07:28,000 | 如果能夠協助我們 |
| 00:07:28,000 | 00:07:29,000 | 把這個航台園區 |
| 00:07:29,000 | 00:07:31,000 | 做一個更完整的說明 |
| 00:07:31,000 | 00:07:33,000 | 把結合財政的誘因 |
| 00:07:33,000 | 00:07:34,000 | 經濟的誘因 |
| 00:07:34,000 | 00:07:36,000 | 還有這個我們國家 |
| 00:07:36,000 | 00:07:37,000 | 跟無人載具 |
| 00:07:37,000 | 00:07:38,000 | 跟中科院的這些 |
| 00:07:38,000 | 00:07:39,000 | 等等的這些內容 |
| 00:07:39,000 | 00:07:41,000 | 全部再集編成為冊子 |
| 00:07:41,000 | 00:07:43,000 | 成為各個版本 |
| 00:07:43,000 | 00:07:44,000 | 不管是英文或者是 |
| 00:07:44,000 | 00:07:46,000 | 歐洲各國的語言 |
| 00:07:46,000 | 00:07:47,000 | 這樣子的話 |
| 00:07:47,000 | 00:07:48,000 | 各個國家想要進駐的時候 |
| 00:07:48,000 | 00:07:50,000 | 就知道去怎麼樣接觸 |
| 00:07:50,000 | 00:07:51,000 | 怎麼樣有窗口 |
| 00:07:51,000 | 00:07:52,000 | 另外一個部分 |
| 00:07:52,000 | 00:07:54,000 | 其實我一直在想 |
| 00:07:54,000 | 00:07:56,000 | 就要包含我們自己在內 |
| 00:07:56,000 | 00:07:58,000 | 在外交委員會 |
| 00:07:58,000 | 00:07:59,000 | 外交委員會的 |
| 00:07:59,000 | 00:08:01,000 | 國防外交委員會的照委 |
| 00:08:01,000 | 00:08:04,000 | 我們常常都遇到大量的 |
| 00:08:04,000 | 00:08:06,000 | 這一個不管是國內 |
| 00:08:06,000 | 00:08:08,000 | 來台灣的世界 |
| 00:08:08,000 | 00:08:10,000 | 或者是大量的產業 |
| 00:08:10,000 | 00:08:12,000 | 那這些企業等等 |
| 00:08:12,000 | 00:08:14,000 | 我們其實就靠自己辦公室的能力 |
| 00:08:14,000 | 00:08:16,000 | 等於是沒有辦法 |
| 00:08:16,000 | 00:08:18,000 | 一應而足來去協助的 |
| 00:08:18,000 | 00:08:19,000 | 其實我在想 |
| 00:08:19,000 | 00:08:21,000 | 其實包含立法院過去 |
| 00:08:21,000 | 00:08:22,000 | 沒有國際處 |
| 00:08:22,000 | 00:08:24,000 | 後來有國際處的建立 |
| 00:08:24,000 | 00:08:26,000 | 可以思考一下韓國的模式 |
| 00:08:26,000 | 00:08:27,000 | 韓國的這個 |
| 00:08:27,000 | 00:08:28,000 | 他們的召集委員 |
| 00:08:28,000 | 00:08:32,000 | 他們是有外交國防會有派駐 |
| 00:08:32,000 | 00:08:34,000 | 這一個外交部的官員 |
| 00:08:34,000 | 00:08:35,000 | 來去協助 |
| 00:08:35,000 | 00:08:37,000 | 照個照委處理相關的事務 |
| 00:08:37,000 | 00:08:39,000 | 有時候我就不用 |
| 00:08:39,000 | 00:08:41,000 | 再用我們國會辦公室的 |
| 00:08:41,000 | 00:08:43,000 | 這一個人員 |
| 00:08:43,000 | 00:08:45,000 | 來去一個一個的去協助他們 |
| 00:08:45,000 | 00:08:46,000 | 接觸這些窗口 |
| 00:08:46,000 | 00:08:47,000 | 等於說 |
| 00:08:47,000 | 00:08:49,000 | 我一方面作為選區的委員 |
| 00:08:49,000 | 00:08:51,000 | 我要服務我們選區的民眾 |
| 00:08:51,000 | 00:08:52,000 | 另一方面 |
| 00:08:52,000 | 00:08:54,000 | 我們同時還要判演外交部的角色 |
| 00:08:54,000 | 00:08:56,000 | 那之前還有一些 |
| 00:08:56,000 | 00:08:57,000 | 來自各國的智庫說 |
| 00:08:57,000 | 00:08:59,000 | 是不是可以請照委幫我們聯繫 |
| 00:08:59,000 | 00:09:01,000 | 比方說陳永康委員 |
| 00:09:01,000 | 00:09:02,000 | 誰誰誰委員 |
| 00:09:02,000 | 00:09:04,000 | 那我們當然都協助來去轉介 |
| 00:09:04,000 | 00:09:07,000 | 但是這對我們來說 |
| 00:09:07,000 | 00:09:08,000 | 是一個很大的負擔 |
| 00:09:08,000 | 00:09:10,000 | 就是我們是希望說未來 |
| 00:09:10,000 | 00:09:12,000 | 外交部可以思考 |
| 00:09:12,000 | 00:09:13,000 | 大家就是有任務型的 |
| 00:09:13,000 | 00:09:14,000 | 他不是跟人 |
| 00:09:14,000 | 00:09:16,000 | 而是跟著這個召集委員 |
| 00:09:16,000 | 00:09:18,000 | 在他們的工作的時候 |
| 00:09:18,000 | 00:09:19,000 | 來協助 |
| 00:09:19,000 | 00:09:20,000 | 來去轉介 |
| 00:09:20,000 | 00:09:23,000 | 來去做這個平台上面的支援 |
| 00:09:23,000 | 00:09:24,000 | 我認為這是一個 |
| 00:09:24,000 | 00:09:25,000 | 未來可以想的方向 |
| 00:09:25,000 | 00:09:26,000 | 是 |
| 00:09:26,000 | 00:09:27,000 | 我現在國會 |
| 00:09:27,000 | 00:09:28,000 | 現在我們出去 |
| 00:09:28,000 | 00:09:30,000 | 當然大家介紹的時候說 |
| 00:09:30,000 | 00:09:31,000 | 我們是Cochair這樣子 |
| 00:09:31,000 | 00:09:33,000 | 但是其實做一個Cochair |
| 00:09:33,000 | 00:09:34,000 | 我們的這個資源 |
| 00:09:34,000 | 00:09:37,000 | 跟我們的這個很難去應付 |
| 00:09:37,000 | 00:09:39,000 | 台灣已經慢慢成 |
| 00:09:39,000 | 00:09:41,000 | 中等國家變成 |
| 00:09:41,000 | 00:09:44,000 | 其實某種程度是中等國家的 |
| 00:09:44,000 | 00:09:45,000 | 超級強權 |
| 00:09:45,000 | 00:09:47,000 | 因為以台灣的經濟實力 |
| 00:09:47,000 | 00:09:50,000 | 還有我們的各個指標上面 |
| 00:09:50,000 | 00:09:51,000 | 我們不是普通的中等國家 |
| 00:09:51,000 | 00:09:52,000 | 在中等國家裡面 |
| 00:09:52,000 | 00:09:54,000 | 我們已經接近G20的這個規模 |
| 00:09:54,000 | 00:09:57,000 | 那與其我們出口到美國的 |
| 00:09:57,000 | 00:09:59,000 | 已經是美國第三大的 |
| 00:09:59,000 | 00:10:01,000 | 我們是美國第三大的這個 |
| 00:10:01,000 | 00:10:02,000 | 我們是出口國 |
| 00:10:02,000 | 00:10:04,000 | 第三大出口國他們的進口國 |
| 00:10:04,000 | 00:10:06,000 | 所以這個就是納入我們的考量 |
| 00:10:06,000 | 00:10:08,000 | 就是未來思考一下 |
| 00:10:08,000 | 00:10:10,000 | 下次可能不是我 |
| 00:10:10,000 | 00:10:11,000 | 但是我覺得這個是 |
| 00:10:11,000 | 00:10:14,000 | 要做的方向 |
| 00:10:14,000 | 00:10:15,000 | 特別是我們在擴大 |
| 00:10:15,000 | 00:10:17,000 | 我們的影響力的時候 |
| 00:10:17,000 | 00:10:19,000 | 部長是不是可以簡單回應一下 |
| 00:10:19,000 | 00:10:20,000 | 報告委員 |
| 00:10:20,000 | 00:10:22,000 | 因為剛剛有提到無人機 |
| 00:10:22,000 | 00:10:23,000 | 當然我們無人機外交 |
| 00:10:23,000 | 00:10:24,000 | 無人機外交 |
| 00:10:24,000 | 00:10:25,000 | 外交部是一個平台 |
| 00:10:25,000 | 00:10:27,000 | 我們有110個外館 |
| 00:10:27,000 | 00:10:29,000 | 所以會跟各國 |
| 00:10:29,000 | 00:10:31,000 | 或各國會想要跟我們來往 |
| 00:10:31,000 | 00:10:33,000 | 所以我們會提出無人機外交 |
| 00:10:33,000 | 00:10:35,000 | 在去年10月 |
| 00:10:35,000 | 00:10:36,000 | 今年5月 |
| 00:10:36,000 | 00:10:38,000 | 索根斯基他 |
| 00:10:38,000 | 00:10:40,000 | 就正式在推無人機外交 |
| 00:10:40,000 | 00:10:43,000 | 所以報告委員就是說 |
| 00:10:43,000 | 00:10:45,000 | 我們當然知道說涉及的 |
| 00:10:45,000 | 00:10:46,000 | 包括經濟部國防部 |
| 00:10:46,000 | 00:10:49,000 | 還有這個海委會等等都有 |
| 00:10:49,000 | 00:10:51,000 | 不過我們就是想做一個平台 |
| 00:10:51,000 | 00:10:52,000 | 那我們就參考 |
| 00:10:52,000 | 00:10:54,000 | 參考以前有個叫AI Academy |
| 00:10:54,000 | 00:10:55,000 | 就人工智慧學校 |
| 00:10:55,000 | 00:10:57,000 | 我們希望鼓勵企業界 |
| 00:10:57,000 | 00:10:58,000 | 也可以組織起來 |
| 00:10:58,000 | 00:10:59,000 | 有個公協會 |
| 00:10:59,000 | 00:11:01,000 | 跟我們對接 |
| 00:11:01,000 | 00:11:02,000 | 那我們現在有個 |
| 00:11:02,000 | 00:11:04,000 | 無人機外交的小組 |
| 00:11:04,000 | 00:11:05,000 | 任務編組 |
| 00:11:05,000 | 00:11:07,000 | 現在也是有先前負責亞創 |
| 00:11:07,000 | 00:11:11,000 | 在經濟部擔任這個經發局長 |
| 00:11:11,000 | 00:11:14,000 | 所以剛好跟地方 |
| 00:11:14,000 | 00:11:15,000 | 不管是嘉義 |
| 00:11:15,000 | 00:11:16,000 | 或者是多跟產業界 |
| 00:11:16,000 | 00:11:19,000 | 都很密切的關係 |
| 00:11:19,000 | 00:11:21,000 | 那我們當然也會有一個 |
| 00:11:21,000 | 00:11:22,000 | 經濟的窗口 |
| 00:11:22,000 | 00:11:24,000 | 做這個跟國際的合作 |
| 00:11:24,000 | 00:11:26,000 | 交流的一個平台 |
| 00:11:26,000 | 00:11:28,000 | 然後再跟我們嘉義 |
| 00:11:28,000 | 00:11:30,000 | 這邊會來結合 |
| 00:11:30,000 | 00:11:31,000 | 就是說 |
| 00:11:31,000 | 00:11:32,000 | 包括在亞創 |
| 00:11:32,000 | 00:11:34,000 | 現在在民雄 |
| 00:11:34,000 | 00:11:36,000 | 開發新的園區 |
| 00:11:36,000 | 00:11:38,000 | 那我們可以把一些資訊 |
| 00:11:38,000 | 00:11:39,000 | 還有相關的媒合 |
| 00:11:39,000 | 00:11:41,000 | 還有辦過競賽展覽 |
| 00:11:41,000 | 00:11:43,000 | 另外就是很多的訓練 |
| 00:11:43,000 | 00:11:45,000 | 背對我們的邦交國有12個 |
| 00:11:45,000 | 00:11:48,000 | 其實都很需要無人載具 |
| 00:11:48,000 | 00:11:49,000 | 而且也變成我們 |
| 00:11:49,000 | 00:11:51,000 | 很好的一個場域 |
| 00:11:51,000 | 00:11:53,000 | 我們也可以去向世界展示 |
| 00:11:53,000 | 00:11:55,000 | 台灣的實力 |
| 00:11:55,000 | 00:11:57,000 | 所以這個無人機外交 |
| 00:11:57,000 | 00:11:58,000 | 是除了邦交國以外 |
| 00:11:58,000 | 00:11:59,000 | 當然對邦交國 |
| 00:11:59,000 | 00:12:02,000 | 我想大家對這很重視的就是 |
| 00:12:02,000 | 00:12:04,000 | 包括我們國家的國產 |
| 00:12:04,000 | 00:12:06,000 | 可以輸出到歐洲或中東 |
| 00:12:06,000 | 00:12:07,000 | 越來越多 |
| 00:12:07,000 | 00:12:09,000 | 另外就是像我們隔壁國家 |
| 00:12:09,000 | 00:12:11,000 | 像菲律賓 日本 |
| 00:12:11,000 | 00:12:14,000 | 這些交流合作也是越來越多 |
| 00:12:14,000 | 00:12:16,000 | 所以我想就這個部分 |
| 00:12:16,000 | 00:12:18,000 | 我們會再跟委員來請議 |
| 00:12:18,000 | 00:12:21,000 | 怎麼樣透過這個委員的 |
| 00:12:21,000 | 00:12:23,000 | 中央跟地方的連結 |
| 00:12:23,000 | 00:12:25,000 | 那第二個部分呢 |
| 00:12:25,000 | 00:12:28,000 | 在召集委員協助外交部派員 |
| 00:12:33,000 | 00:12:37,000 | 派外交部到召集委員那邊 |
| 00:12:37,000 | 00:12:39,000 | 來協助去處理 |
| 00:12:39,000 | 00:12:40,000 | 我們當然有國際處 |
| 00:12:40,000 | 00:12:41,000 | 有協助 |
| 00:12:41,000 | 00:12:43,000 | 部長 我們先不要說要或不要 |
| 00:12:43,000 | 00:12:45,000 | 因為這個這不是示威題 |
| 00:12:45,000 | 00:12:47,000 | 我們要問的是說 |
| 00:12:47,000 | 00:12:48,000 | 參考其他國家 |
| 00:12:48,000 | 00:12:50,000 | 比方說韓國他們是怎麼來的 |
| 00:12:50,000 | 00:12:51,000 | 其實其他的國家的國會 |
| 00:12:51,000 | 00:12:52,000 | 都很強大到 |
| 00:12:52,000 | 00:12:55,000 | 其實有很強的研究 |
| 00:12:55,000 | 00:12:57,000 | 還有這個在做這個 |
| 00:12:57,000 | 00:12:59,000 | 國會外交上面的 |
| 00:12:59,000 | 00:13:01,000 | 部長我抱歉好了 |
| 00:13:01,000 | 00:13:02,000 | 這個可能我在 |
| 00:13:02,000 | 00:13:04,000 | 闡述比較清晰一點 |
| 00:13:04,000 | 00:13:05,000 | 韓國是這樣子的 |
| 00:13:05,000 | 00:13:07,000 | 韓國他們的外有會的主席 |
| 00:13:07,000 | 00:13:09,000 | 他是會有外交部會派駐官員 |
| 00:13:09,000 | 00:13:11,000 | 來去協助他們的召委 |
| 00:13:11,000 | 00:13:12,000 | 聯絡相關事項 |
| 00:13:12,000 | 00:13:14,000 | 包含這個跟各個時節 |
| 00:13:14,000 | 00:13:16,000 | 來去接觸等等 |
| 00:13:16,000 | 00:13:18,000 | 等於是你們派駐在 |
| 00:13:18,000 | 00:13:21,000 | 這個國會的狀況 |
| 00:13:21,000 | 00:13:23,000 | 他是針對召集委員 |
| 00:13:23,000 | 00:13:25,000 | 那我認為是可以先參考一下 |
| 00:13:25,000 | 00:13:26,000 | 韓國的這個做法 |
| 00:13:26,000 | 00:13:28,000 | 先看一下對方是 |
| 00:13:28,000 | 00:13:29,000 | 為什麼要這麼做 |
| 00:13:29,000 | 00:13:32,000 | 以及他們的做法上面的成效是什麼 |
| 00:13:32,000 | 00:13:34,000 | 那我們接下來就可以做下一步 |
| 00:13:34,000 | 00:13:35,000 | 我為什麼特別這樣講 |
| 00:13:35,000 | 00:13:37,000 | 不是說韓國而已 |
| 00:13:37,000 | 00:13:40,000 | 上次出訪是6月底的時候 |
| 00:13:40,000 | 00:13:42,000 | 然後在我們那次出訪 |
| 00:13:42,000 | 00:13:43,000 | 是非常成功的 |
| 00:13:43,000 | 00:13:45,000 | 在大概有 |
| 00:13:45,000 | 00:13:47,000 | 我看起來是40個國會議員 |
| 00:13:47,000 | 00:13:49,000 | 都有來參與我們的這個 |
| 00:13:49,000 | 00:13:51,000 | 相關的這個紀念的 |
| 00:13:51,000 | 00:13:55,000 | 250週年跟台美關係的這個酒會 |
| 00:13:55,000 | 00:13:57,000 | 那這裡面我們看到一些 |
| 00:13:57,000 | 00:13:59,000 | 資深的國會助理 |
| 00:13:59,000 | 00:14:01,000 | 他們是派駐在 |
| 00:14:01,000 | 00:14:03,000 | 有些是派駐在這個共和黨的 |
| 00:14:03,000 | 00:14:05,000 | 有些是派駐在民主黨的他們的主席 |
| 00:14:05,000 | 00:14:07,000 | 國會相關的主席 |
| 00:14:07,000 | 00:14:09,000 | 他們的薪資其實比國會議員還高 |
| 00:14:09,000 | 00:14:11,000 | 而且他們是等於是長時間 |
| 00:14:11,000 | 00:14:13,000 | 在那個地方來去協助 |
| 00:14:13,000 | 00:14:14,000 | 那這是另外一個話題 |
| 00:14:14,000 | 00:14:17,000 | 這跟我們說外交部派員是另一件事情 |
| 00:14:17,000 | 00:14:19,000 | 我一直在想講的就是說國會 |
| 00:14:19,000 | 00:14:21,000 | 既然可以扮演這麼重要的角色 |
| 00:14:21,000 | 00:14:23,000 | 不管是在審預算上面 |
| 00:14:23,000 | 00:14:26,000 | 它是對各個部會的這一個 |
| 00:14:26,000 | 00:14:28,000 | 節制力這麼大 |
| 00:14:28,000 | 00:14:30,000 | 可是相對的國會議員他 |
| 00:14:30,000 | 00:14:33,000 | 必須要靠自己的有限的能力 |
| 00:14:33,000 | 00:14:37,000 | 而不是靠有政府在上面來協助的資源 |
| 00:14:37,000 | 00:14:39,000 | 那其實我們的品質上面 |
| 00:14:39,000 | 00:14:40,000 | 一定會受到影響 |
| 00:14:40,000 | 00:14:42,000 | 所以我一直在講說 |
| 00:14:42,000 | 00:14:44,000 | 國會大家都說國會非常重要 |
| 00:14:44,000 | 00:14:46,000 | 因為國會節制在不管是 |
| 00:14:46,000 | 00:14:48,000 | 特別是國防部這麼重大的預算 |
| 00:14:48,000 | 00:14:52,000 | 但我們沒有長時間有人來派駐來協助 |
| 00:14:52,000 | 00:14:55,000 | 讓我們去統領整領這些重要的資訊 |
| 00:14:55,000 | 00:14:57,000 | 所以每一次都是斷層 |
| 00:14:57,000 | 00:14:59,000 | 每一屆每一個人都是斷層 |
| 00:14:59,000 | 00:15:01,000 | 因為現有的 |
| 00:15:01,000 | 00:15:02,000 | 藉由這個機會順便講 |
| 00:15:02,000 | 00:15:04,000 | 就是現有的我們的立法院的這些 |
| 00:15:04,000 | 00:15:05,000 | 都是文官上面 |
| 00:15:05,000 | 00:15:09,000 | 文官上面的這個協助我們意識上面的行程 |
| 00:15:09,000 | 00:15:13,000 | 而不是針對實質的內容上面來協助 |
| 00:15:13,000 | 00:15:15,000 | 這是有分開的喔 |
| 00:15:15,000 | 00:15:18,000 | 所以為什麼說外交部要有官員來去協助 |
| 00:15:18,000 | 00:15:19,000 | 有一部分的原因是 |
| 00:15:19,000 | 00:15:23,000 | 除了立法上面的這些議程上面 |
| 00:15:23,000 | 00:15:25,000 | 這些數物上面 |
| 00:15:25,000 | 00:15:28,000 | 還有實質的外交事務上面 |
| 00:15:28,000 | 00:15:31,000 | 他必須要有專業的官員長期在這邊 |
| 00:15:31,000 | 00:15:35,000 | 他不是serve我陳萬林委員 |
| 00:15:35,000 | 00:15:37,000 | 或者是馬文君委員 |
| 00:15:37,000 | 00:15:42,000 | 或者是其他的什麼黃仁委員 |
| 00:15:42,000 | 00:15:44,000 | 還是陳柏楊委員 |
| 00:15:44,000 | 00:15:45,000 | 不是 |
| 00:15:45,000 | 00:15:47,000 | 他serve的是一個召集委員 |
| 00:15:47,000 | 00:15:49,000 | 他的工作實質內容的性質 |
| 00:15:49,000 | 00:15:51,000 | 這個我覺得是可以思考一下 |
| 00:15:51,000 | 00:15:54,000 | 那今天的質詢就先到這邊為止 |
| 00:15:54,000 | 00:15:57,000 | 那希望部長能夠想一下 |
| 00:15:57,000 | 00:16:03,000 | 因為這個部長你的經歷是從國安會到外交部到交通部 |
| 00:16:03,000 | 00:16:04,000 | 你應該知道說 |
| 00:16:04,000 | 00:16:06,000 | 國會他其實扮演的角度既然這麼重要 |
| 00:16:06,000 | 00:16:09,000 | 可是每一次他的實質內容 |
| 00:16:09,000 | 00:16:10,000 | 他扮演的角色很重要 |
| 00:16:10,000 | 00:16:14,000 | 卻沒有相應的工具讓他做有效的審查 |
| 00:16:14,000 | 00:16:16,000 | 這樣這個部分可不可以請部長 |
| 00:16:16,000 | 00:16:18,000 | 來回去真的想一下好不好 |
| 00:16:18,000 | 00:16:20,000 | 好我們再請教委員 |
| 00:16:20,000 | 00:16:26,000 | 那當然國會跟外交部其實也是立法行政關係的一部分 |
| 00:16:26,000 | 00:16:28,000 | 應該怎麼樣的組織運作 |
| 00:16:28,000 | 00:16:31,000 | 那除了國際處怎麼去營設怎麼強化 |
| 00:16:31,000 | 00:16:35,000 | 那委員會因為委員會是國會運作的中心 |
| 00:16:35,000 | 00:16:40,000 | 所以這個部分確實在制度怎麼樣去創新 |
| 00:16:40,000 | 00:16:44,000 | 我們很願意去聆聽 |
| 00:16:44,000 | 00:16:47,000 | 也看怎麼樣來參與 |
| 00:16:47,000 | 00:16:51,000 | 因為老實說你這個全面外交 |
| 00:16:51,000 | 00:16:54,000 | 是一個跟過去你就是在做創新 |
| 00:16:54,000 | 00:16:57,000 | 那創新有很多的方式 |
| 00:16:57,000 | 00:17:00,000 | 我覺得我們可以聽聽看我們這樣的建議 |
| 00:17:00,000 | 00:17:01,000 | 好謝謝部長 |
| 00:17:01,000 | 00:17:02,000 | 謝謝委員 |