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翁曉玲 @ 第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第26次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:09,000 | 好 謝謝主席 我們有請黃次長還有許廷長 |
| 00:00:09,000 | 00:00:16,000 | 委員好 是 次長好 我想在我這個今天 |
| 00:00:16,000 | 00:00:18,000 | 待會我還會有針對獨家的問題 |
| 00:00:18,000 | 00:00:22,000 | 不過我不知道次長知不知道我們行政院 |
| 00:00:22,000 | 00:00:27,000 | 即將在今年八月就要實施城鎮任性演習 |
| 00:00:27,000 | 00:00:31,000 | 並且首次會在北部中部等這些縣市 |
| 00:00:31,000 | 00:00:38,000 | 進行為期三十分鐘的行動網路降速的測試 |
| 00:00:38,000 | 00:00:42,000 | 那麼這項政策當然目的是要再去測試 |
| 00:00:42,000 | 00:00:46,000 | 政府在通訊受阻時候的應變任性 |
| 00:00:46,000 | 00:00:50,000 | 利益是很良善 但是本席很關心的是 |
| 00:00:50,000 | 00:00:52,000 | 不只是城鎮任性的演習 |
| 00:00:52,000 | 00:00:56,000 | 而是我們現在司法偵查科技監控的能力 |
| 00:00:56,000 | 00:00:58,000 | 是不是也具備了任性 |
| 00:00:58,000 | 00:01:01,000 | 我們知道現在所有的科技設備的監控的載具 |
| 00:01:01,000 | 00:01:06,000 | 包含手機 電子手環 腳環 居家讀取器等等 |
| 00:01:06,000 | 00:01:10,000 | 它都會採用定位技術 然後再搭配地理圖資 |
| 00:01:10,000 | 00:01:12,000 | 服以電子圍籬的設置 |
| 00:01:12,000 | 00:01:16,000 | 可以讓監控人員他會透過監控系統的平台 |
| 00:01:16,000 | 00:01:20,000 | 以及行動APP二十四小時的去掌控被告的行蹤 |
| 00:01:20,000 | 00:01:23,000 | 可是呢 在這次的網路速度 |
| 00:01:23,000 | 00:01:27,000 | 如果它降速 而且它降速趨近於零的時候 |
| 00:01:27,000 | 00:01:31,000 | 就等於像是斷網 在網路速度受限的情況之下 |
| 00:01:31,000 | 00:01:35,000 | 這樣對於性侵害的假示範 或者是刑事被告的 |
| 00:01:35,000 | 00:01:37,000 | 等等這些科技監控的設備 |
| 00:01:37,000 | 00:01:40,000 | 是否會出現防護漏洞 |
| 00:01:40,000 | 00:01:42,000 | 還有像是針對外役監 |
| 00:01:42,000 | 00:01:46,000 | 以及境外作業受刑人的防逃監控系統 |
| 00:01:46,000 | 00:01:50,000 | 有沒有因應可能會斷電斷網的情況 |
| 00:01:50,000 | 00:01:54,000 | 而有相關的緊急應變的機制 |
| 00:01:54,000 | 00:01:57,000 | 所以本席擔心的其實就是 |
| 00:01:57,000 | 00:02:02,000 | 我們的科技監控會不會因為斷網演習而窒息 |
| 00:02:02,000 | 00:02:05,000 | 然後導致司法監控癱瘓 |
| 00:02:05,000 | 00:02:10,000 | 那針對這個問題 我不知道是不是可以請次長回覆 |
| 00:02:10,000 | 00:02:13,000 | 就是說 如果說我們現在的所有監控設備 |
| 00:02:13,000 | 00:02:17,000 | 都是依 都是相 因為都是靠數據回傳嘛 |
| 00:02:18,000 | 00:02:20,000 | 那麼因為頻寬受限 |
| 00:02:20,000 | 00:02:23,000 | 然後導致有一些異常的信息 |
| 00:02:23,000 | 00:02:25,000 | 無法及時回傳的時候 |
| 00:02:25,000 | 00:02:28,000 | 或是監控中心他可能收到這個訊息 |
| 00:02:28,000 | 00:02:30,000 | 是已經接受延遲 |
| 00:02:30,000 | 00:02:33,000 | 那在演習期間 你們有沒有做好相關的準備 |
| 00:02:33,000 | 00:02:35,000 | 假設真的有假示範 |
| 00:02:35,000 | 00:02:38,000 | 在這個期間發生有再犯 |
| 00:02:38,000 | 00:02:40,000 | 或者是有被告 |
| 00:02:40,000 | 00:02:43,000 | 他可能利用這個時間就是逃亡了 |
| 00:02:43,000 | 00:02:44,000 | 這個出境出海 |
| 00:02:44,000 | 00:02:48,000 | 你們有沒有相關的因應的措施 |
| 00:02:48,000 | 00:02:50,000 | 已經有做好準備了嗎 |
| 00:02:50,000 | 00:02:51,000 | 跟委員報告 |
| 00:02:51,000 | 00:02:53,000 | 他這個 畢竟他是一個演習 |
| 00:02:53,000 | 00:02:58,000 | 我相信他演習之前就相關有關各部會 |
| 00:02:58,000 | 00:02:59,000 | 也不是只有法務部 |
| 00:02:59,000 | 00:03:02,000 | 各部會有關運用這個電子設備的部分 |
| 00:03:02,000 | 00:03:04,000 | 他一定有做一個視線的配套處理 |
| 00:03:04,000 | 00:03:05,000 | 這應該是絕對沒有問題的 |
| 00:03:05,000 | 00:03:07,000 | 那出了事 我現在想要了解 |
| 00:03:07,000 | 00:03:08,000 | 你們法務部有沒有配套處理 |
| 00:03:08,000 | 00:03:09,000 | 對 而且跟委員報告就是說 |
| 00:03:09,000 | 00:03:10,000 | 我們現在電子監控 |
| 00:03:10,000 | 00:03:12,000 | 他其實是 因做起來已經非常多年了 |
| 00:03:12,000 | 00:03:14,000 | 其實他已經非常成熟了 |
| 00:03:14,000 | 00:03:17,000 | 我相信在遇到相關的電子上的 |
| 00:03:17,000 | 00:03:18,000 | 科技上的一個阻礙 |
| 00:03:18,000 | 00:03:20,000 | 他一定有相關的備援系統 |
| 00:03:20,000 | 00:03:21,000 | 就有相關的處理 |
| 00:03:21,000 | 00:03:22,000 | 這部分應該是沒有問題 |
| 00:03:22,000 | 00:03:23,000 | 我聽起來 市長 |
| 00:03:23,000 | 00:03:26,000 | 你們這裡好像法務部是沒有提任何計畫 |
| 00:03:26,000 | 00:03:29,000 | 沒有任何的應變計畫或做準備 |
| 00:03:29,000 | 00:03:32,000 | 在這件事情上面 法務部知道嗎 |
| 00:03:32,000 | 00:03:35,000 | 知道之前 法務本來就說要做演習嗎 |
| 00:03:35,000 | 00:03:36,000 | 對 跟委員報告 |
| 00:03:36,000 | 00:03:37,000 | 這演習事情我們當然知道 |
| 00:03:37,000 | 00:03:38,000 | 但是委員的假設前提是 |
| 00:03:38,000 | 00:03:42,000 | 這個演習會癱瘓我們國家的相關的科技 |
| 00:03:42,000 | 00:03:43,000 | 有30分鐘 |
| 00:03:43,000 | 00:03:45,000 | 這不是只有1分鐘或2分鐘 |
| 00:03:45,000 | 00:03:47,000 | 而是30分鐘的時間 |
| 00:03:47,000 | 00:03:49,000 | 30分鐘可以做很多事 |
| 00:03:49,000 | 00:03:52,000 | 因為我相信所有國內所有的行政部門 |
| 00:03:52,000 | 00:03:53,000 | 都會遇到同樣的問題 |
| 00:03:53,000 | 00:03:55,000 | 他事先一定會做好事先的防備 |
| 00:03:55,000 | 00:03:56,000 | 或者是一份的預防 |
| 00:03:56,000 | 00:03:57,000 | 所以我現在就問說 |
| 00:03:57,000 | 00:03:59,000 | 法務部有沒有做事先的防備 |
| 00:03:59,000 | 00:04:00,000 | 你譬如說是 |
| 00:04:00,000 | 00:04:02,000 | 之前有要求這些被告或假釋判 |
| 00:04:02,000 | 00:04:04,000 | 他要定期的可能拿了手機 |
| 00:04:04,000 | 00:04:06,000 | 他要自拍 回傳 |
| 00:04:06,000 | 00:04:08,000 | 可是在這30分鐘裡面 |
| 00:04:08,000 | 00:04:09,000 | 他沒有辦法回傳 |
| 00:04:09,000 | 00:04:11,000 | 那在這樣情況之下 |
| 00:04:11,000 | 00:04:14,000 | 你們會認為說這是發生了性襲異常 |
| 00:04:14,000 | 00:04:16,000 | 會要怎麼樣去處理 |
| 00:04:16,000 | 00:04:18,000 | 你們追蹤也追蹤不到 |
| 00:04:18,000 | 00:04:20,000 | 那尤其是像這個性侵的假釋判 |
| 00:04:20,000 | 00:04:23,000 | 他如果出區域30分鐘就可以犯罪了 |
| 00:04:23,000 | 00:04:26,000 | 我認為說這其實會造成 |
| 00:04:26,000 | 00:04:29,000 | 相當程度的這個社會恐慌 |
| 00:04:29,000 | 00:04:31,000 | 不知道在30分鐘的時間 |
| 00:04:31,000 | 00:04:32,000 | 會發生什麼事情 |
| 00:04:32,000 | 00:04:34,000 | 而且我們現在有蠻多的被告 |
| 00:04:34,000 | 00:04:36,000 | 他是帶著電子手環 電子腳鐐 |
| 00:04:36,000 | 00:04:38,000 | 那在30分鐘如果說是 |
| 00:04:38,000 | 00:04:40,000 | 這個科技監控中心 |
| 00:04:40,000 | 00:04:41,000 | 沒有辦法去監控到的話 |
| 00:04:41,000 | 00:04:43,000 | 他們早就可以算好時間 |
| 00:04:43,000 | 00:04:45,000 | 什麼時候買張機票 |
| 00:04:45,000 | 00:04:48,000 | 或是搭個船就出去了 |
| 00:04:48,000 | 00:04:53,000 | 看起來我剛剛跟次長這樣的對談 |
| 00:04:53,000 | 00:04:56,000 | 我好像感意識到 |
| 00:04:56,000 | 00:05:00,000 | 法務部是沒有做任何的相關的應變計畫嗎 |
| 00:05:00,000 | 00:05:02,000 | 委員您提的前提是 |
| 00:05:02,000 | 00:05:05,000 | 這個演習它會影響目前我們 |
| 00:05:05,000 | 00:05:08,000 | 科技設備監控的這個機制 |
| 00:05:08,000 | 00:05:10,000 | 但是我跟委員報告就是說 |
| 00:05:10,000 | 00:05:11,000 | 它畢竟是演習 |
| 00:05:11,000 | 00:05:13,000 | 演習它有長期的準備 |
| 00:05:13,000 | 00:05:15,000 | 所以事先所有各種狀況 |
| 00:05:15,000 | 00:05:17,000 | 它一定預先的排除跟預先的因應 |
| 00:05:17,000 | 00:05:19,000 | 但是他沒有問過你們法務部 |
| 00:05:19,000 | 00:05:22,000 | 現在只是國防部自己的想像 |
| 00:05:22,000 | 00:05:25,000 | 跟NCC這兩個部會 |
| 00:05:25,000 | 00:05:28,000 | 那NCC是講說斷網沒有關係 |
| 00:05:28,000 | 00:05:31,000 | 因為大家還可以打電話 |
| 00:05:31,000 | 00:05:32,000 | 用簡訊 |
| 00:05:32,000 | 00:05:35,000 | 可是我們講的這些所有的科技設備 |
| 00:05:35,000 | 00:05:38,000 | 它不是只是靠打電話跟傳簡訊 |
| 00:05:38,000 | 00:05:41,000 | 它是會運用到整個行動網路 |
| 00:05:41,000 | 00:05:45,000 | 像頻寬透過這些行動的寬頻 |
| 00:05:45,000 | 00:05:48,000 | 然後去傳輸很多的數據data |
| 00:05:48,000 | 00:05:51,000 | 對 這部分我真的很希望 |
| 00:05:51,000 | 00:05:53,000 | 我真的要求法務部 |
| 00:05:53,000 | 00:05:55,000 | 要把這個事情做好 |
| 00:05:55,000 | 00:05:58,000 | 這個現在國防部 |
| 00:05:58,000 | 00:06:00,000 | 我認為他們可能也沒有 |
| 00:06:00,000 | 00:06:03,000 | 真的好好跟所有的部會去討論 |
| 00:06:03,000 | 00:06:05,000 | 就萬一這個行動斷網 |
| 00:06:05,000 | 00:06:09,000 | 它可能會帶來什麼樣的影響 |
| 00:06:09,000 | 00:06:12,000 | 我剛剛講的其實都有可能會發生 |
| 00:06:12,000 | 00:06:15,000 | 因為在演習降速的30分鐘之內 |
| 00:06:15,000 | 00:06:17,000 | 就有可能刑事被告 |
| 00:06:17,000 | 00:06:19,000 | 會趁機拆除設備 |
| 00:06:19,000 | 00:06:20,000 | 離開住居所 |
| 00:06:20,000 | 00:06:24,000 | 甚至發生出境出海的逃亡事件 |
| 00:06:24,000 | 00:06:26,000 | 那也不無可能性侵害的假示犯 |
| 00:06:26,000 | 00:06:28,000 | 就趁這30分鐘時間 |
| 00:06:28,000 | 00:06:29,000 | 它有可能會再犯 |
| 00:06:29,000 | 00:06:32,000 | 所以之後如果說真的發生這樣的問題 |
| 00:06:32,000 | 00:06:34,000 | 相關的責任關屬如何釐清 |
| 00:06:34,000 | 00:06:37,000 | 這些都必須要有一套妥善的計畫 |
| 00:06:37,000 | 00:06:39,000 | 那麼因為今天時間的關係 |
| 00:06:39,000 | 00:06:41,000 | 所以本席希望法務部 |
| 00:06:41,000 | 00:06:44,000 | 你們能夠在短期間 |
| 00:06:44,000 | 00:06:46,000 | 趕快去提出一份報告 |
| 00:06:46,000 | 00:06:50,000 | 就是你們針對因應行動斷網 |
| 00:06:50,000 | 00:06:52,000 | 這個行動的降速的測試 |
| 00:06:52,000 | 00:06:53,000 | 你們要提一個 |
| 00:06:53,000 | 00:06:55,000 | 司法任性的檢核報告 |
| 00:06:55,000 | 00:06:57,000 | 好不好 就是針對這些問題 |
| 00:06:57,000 | 00:06:59,000 | 你們要怎麼樣處理 |
| 00:07:00,000 | 00:07:02,000 | 這樣才能讓國人安心 |
| 00:07:02,000 | 00:07:03,000 | 可以嗎 |
| 00:07:03,000 | 00:07:05,000 | 那就是麻煩這個請 |
| 00:07:05,000 | 00:07:07,000 | 次長兩個禮拜之內 |
| 00:07:07,000 | 00:07:08,000 | 要提出這個報告 |
| 00:07:08,000 | 00:07:10,000 | 因為他是掛部位全國性的 |
| 00:07:10,000 | 00:07:11,000 | 也不是只有法務部 |
| 00:07:11,000 | 00:07:13,000 | 我相信各部位他都已經有一個因應措施 |
| 00:07:13,000 | 00:07:15,000 | 我其他部位的問題 |
| 00:07:15,000 | 00:07:16,000 | 但是司法的問題 |
| 00:07:16,000 | 00:07:18,000 | 我覺得這個必須要去解決的 |
| 00:07:18,000 | 00:07:20,000 | 好 那接下來就是可能 |
| 00:07:20,000 | 00:07:21,000 | 跟這個廳長比較有關 |
| 00:07:21,000 | 00:07:22,000 | 跟許廳長 |
| 00:07:22,000 | 00:07:24,000 | 那次長可以先回座 |
| 00:07:24,000 | 00:07:26,000 | 那麼我們知道其實 |
| 00:07:26,000 | 00:07:29,000 | 最近彰化地方法院的法官陳德馳法官 |
| 00:07:29,000 | 00:07:31,000 | 他連續裁定至少三件以上的 |
| 00:07:31,000 | 00:07:33,000 | 獨家案件是不予羈押 |
| 00:07:33,000 | 00:07:35,000 | 引發了社會高度的爭議 |
| 00:07:35,000 | 00:07:36,000 | 因為這些案件 |
| 00:07:36,000 | 00:07:38,000 | 有些是高等法院都已經 |
| 00:07:38,000 | 00:07:40,000 | 撤銷員裁定發揮更審 |
| 00:07:40,000 | 00:07:43,000 | 所以更讓社會質疑就是說 |
| 00:07:43,000 | 00:07:45,000 | 司法對於獨家犯罪 |
| 00:07:45,000 | 00:07:47,000 | 還有這個風險判斷 |
| 00:07:47,000 | 00:07:51,000 | 是不是有很大的落差 |
| 00:07:51,000 | 00:07:53,000 | 那麼有法官認為說 |
| 00:07:53,000 | 00:07:54,000 | 根本就不需要羈押 |
| 00:07:54,000 | 00:07:55,000 | 有些法官認為說 |
| 00:07:55,000 | 00:07:58,000 | 其實是應該要羈押的 |
| 00:07:58,000 | 00:08:00,000 | 那當然我今天不是說 |
| 00:08:00,000 | 00:08:03,000 | 要求司法院去評論相關的個案判決 |
| 00:08:03,000 | 00:08:06,000 | 那主要是要討論兩個制度性的問題 |
| 00:08:06,000 | 00:08:08,000 | 一個就是說法官是不是應該 |
| 00:08:08,000 | 00:08:10,000 | 也要接受專業的評價 |
| 00:08:10,000 | 00:08:12,000 | 第二個就是有關於職務監督的個案 |
| 00:08:12,000 | 00:08:15,000 | 以及職務監督以及個案評鑑的制度 |
| 00:08:15,000 | 00:08:18,000 | 在這個案子上面是不是已經啟動了 |
| 00:08:18,000 | 00:08:22,000 | 那麼像這個最近台中地方法院 |
| 00:08:22,000 | 00:08:23,000 | 其實有個法官 |
| 00:08:23,000 | 00:08:25,000 | 他因為長期的違反疏類 |
| 00:08:25,000 | 00:08:28,000 | 送閱制度迴避庭長院長的審閱考核 |
| 00:08:28,000 | 00:08:30,000 | 然後嚴重損害到人民訴訟權 |
| 00:08:30,000 | 00:08:32,000 | 所以就遭到法官評議委員會決議 |
| 00:08:32,000 | 00:08:35,000 | 要報司法院移送職務法庭審理 |
| 00:08:35,000 | 00:08:37,000 | 我們要建議免除法官職務 |
| 00:08:37,000 | 00:08:39,000 | 並且不得再任用為公務員 |
| 00:08:39,000 | 00:08:41,000 | 那在一付個案評鑑之前 |
| 00:08:41,000 | 00:08:43,000 | 然後新北地方法院 |
| 00:08:43,000 | 00:08:44,000 | 也有給他一個警告處分 |
| 00:08:44,000 | 00:08:46,000 | 台中地方法院職務評定 |
| 00:08:46,000 | 00:08:48,000 | 然後也是為未達良好 |
| 00:08:48,000 | 00:08:49,000 | 可是我們看到今天就是 |
| 00:08:49,000 | 00:08:51,000 | 彰化地方法院這個法官 |
| 00:08:51,000 | 00:08:53,000 | 他在短時間之內 |
| 00:08:53,000 | 00:08:55,000 | 三度的重放獨家案件 |
| 00:08:55,000 | 00:08:58,000 | 那麼引起很大的社會的爭議 |
| 00:08:58,000 | 00:08:59,000 | 那麼我們知道 |
| 00:09:00,000 | 00:09:02,000 | 其實法官的職務評定 |
| 00:09:02,000 | 00:09:05,000 | 他不是只看案件的這個結案數 |
| 00:09:05,000 | 00:09:09,000 | 也包括品德操守、專業能力、辦案品質 |
| 00:09:09,000 | 00:09:11,000 | 還有人民信賴等等這些面向 |
| 00:09:11,000 | 00:09:14,000 | 在法官倫理規範裡面也有提到 |
| 00:09:14,000 | 00:09:18,000 | 法官執行職務要公正、客觀、中立 |
| 00:09:18,000 | 00:09:21,000 | 不得有損及人民對司法的信賴 |
| 00:09:21,000 | 00:09:23,000 | 可是如果說今天有一名法官 |
| 00:09:23,000 | 00:09:27,000 | 他反覆的出現重大爭議的裁定 |
| 00:09:27,000 | 00:09:31,000 | 那這會影響到社會大眾對於司法的信賴 |
| 00:09:31,000 | 00:09:32,000 | 那麼類似像這樣的案子 |
| 00:09:32,000 | 00:09:34,000 | 我不知道就是說 |
| 00:09:34,000 | 00:09:37,000 | 司法院是不是應該要啟動相關的調查 |
| 00:09:37,000 | 00:09:41,000 | 更何況司法院本來就有所謂的職務 |
| 00:09:41,000 | 00:09:44,000 | 對法官要進行職務監督 |
| 00:09:44,000 | 00:09:47,000 | 那類似像這樣的案子 |
| 00:09:47,000 | 00:09:51,000 | 不知道司法院還有彰化地方法院 |
| 00:09:51,000 | 00:09:53,000 | 有沒有啟動所謂的職務監督 |
| 00:09:53,000 | 00:09:55,000 | 報告委員 |
| 00:09:55,000 | 00:09:57,000 | 有關這個彰化地院 |
| 00:09:57,000 | 00:10:03,000 | 在這個酒駕、毒駕的這個羈押審查的方面 |
| 00:10:03,000 | 00:10:06,000 | 那在這個有幾件案件 |
| 00:10:06,000 | 00:10:09,000 | 確實它的結果受到社會的關注 |
| 00:10:09,000 | 00:10:11,000 | 那事後經過這個審計救濟 |
| 00:10:11,000 | 00:10:13,000 | 那也遭到這個撤銷 |
| 00:10:13,000 | 00:10:15,000 | 但是我必須這個報告 |
| 00:10:15,000 | 00:10:17,000 | 這個個案的部分呢 |
| 00:10:17,000 | 00:10:21,000 | 假設它涉及到法官認識用法的核心 |
| 00:10:21,000 | 00:10:24,000 | 而屬於這個審判獨立保障的範圍的時候 |
| 00:10:24,000 | 00:10:27,000 | 或是法律見解的這個主張的時候 |
| 00:10:27,000 | 00:10:31,000 | 那這個可能就不能用職務監督的角度來進行處置 |
| 00:10:31,000 | 00:10:33,000 | 我就知道聽長會這麼回答 |
| 00:10:33,000 | 00:10:35,000 | 可是我要講就是說 |
| 00:10:35,000 | 00:10:38,000 | 你自己的法官倫理規範還有法官法裡面 |
| 00:10:38,000 | 00:10:39,000 | 都講得很清楚 |
| 00:10:39,000 | 00:10:41,000 | 法官應該要接受職務監督 |
| 00:10:41,000 | 00:10:43,000 | 而且法官的作為 |
| 00:10:43,000 | 00:10:46,000 | 他不能夠違反這個遊損 |
| 00:10:46,000 | 00:10:48,000 | 人民對於司法信賴 |
| 00:10:48,000 | 00:10:49,000 | 對不對 |
| 00:10:49,000 | 00:10:52,000 | 如果說你今天說所有的事情都可以推到 |
| 00:10:52,000 | 00:10:55,000 | 就是這屬於法官的個案的裁量 |
| 00:10:55,000 | 00:10:58,000 | 那我們要遵守法官的個案判斷 |
| 00:10:58,000 | 00:11:00,000 | 那這樣的話就會造成像我們剛剛 |
| 00:11:00,000 | 00:11:04,000 | 就會產生剛剛像這種彰化地方法律的法官 |
| 00:11:04,000 | 00:11:08,000 | 他一再的做成就是違反社會大眾的期待的 |
| 00:11:08,000 | 00:11:10,000 | 這樣的一個裁定 |
| 00:11:10,000 | 00:11:12,000 | 那連高院自己都撤回 |
| 00:11:12,000 | 00:11:15,000 | 所以變成說法院的職務監督形同巨文 |
| 00:11:15,000 | 00:11:19,000 | 你們根本沒有對於這個個案的法官來進行職務監督 |
| 00:11:19,000 | 00:11:20,000 | 包委員 |
| 00:11:20,000 | 00:11:21,000 | 這個審判獨立 |
| 00:11:21,000 | 00:11:23,000 | 他保障的其實不是個別的法官 |
| 00:11:23,000 | 00:11:26,000 | 他保障的是整個制度跟我們的司法 |
| 00:11:26,000 | 00:11:28,000 | 他能夠在這個必要的範圍內 |
| 00:11:28,000 | 00:11:31,000 | 他自己能夠自我透過審計就計來自我監督 |
| 00:11:31,000 | 00:11:33,000 | 那這一個在個案的時候 |
| 00:11:33,000 | 00:11:35,000 | 或許他會得到一個不讓人滿意的結果 |
| 00:11:35,000 | 00:11:37,000 | 但我們也可以發現審計就計 |
| 00:11:37,000 | 00:11:39,000 | 因為他已經不是一個個案 |
| 00:11:39,000 | 00:11:41,000 | 而是他是反覆的這樣的行為 |
| 00:11:41,000 | 00:11:44,000 | 所以我想我正式提醒許廷長 |
| 00:11:44,000 | 00:11:47,000 | 這個是大家眾所矚目的案子 |
| 00:11:47,000 | 00:11:50,000 | 而且我想我剛剛講這也不是只是我針對某一個法官 |
| 00:11:50,000 | 00:11:52,000 | 而是整個制度性的問題 |
| 00:11:52,000 | 00:11:55,000 | 因為過去也曾經出現很多例 |
| 00:11:55,000 | 00:11:58,000 | 這法官他所做的判決或是他所做的裁定 |
| 00:11:58,000 | 00:11:59,000 | 人民無法信服的 |
| 00:11:59,000 | 00:12:03,000 | 而且這個法官他可能是長期都是類似有這樣的行為 |
| 00:12:03,000 | 00:12:06,000 | 不是佛心法官就是惡魔法官 |
| 00:12:06,000 | 00:12:07,000 | 對不對 |
| 00:12:07,000 | 00:12:11,000 | 因為法院司法院看起來沒有任何的給予他們一個監督 |
| 00:12:11,000 | 00:12:14,000 | 要不然的話你們現在訂的法官的倫理規範 |
| 00:12:14,000 | 00:12:16,000 | 不是就形同句文 |
| 00:12:16,000 | 00:12:18,000 | 根本沒有適用的餘地 |
| 00:12:18,000 | 00:12:20,000 | 所以我希望司法院回去可以檢討 |
| 00:12:20,000 | 00:12:22,000 | 但今天因為質詢時間有縮短 |
| 00:12:22,000 | 00:12:25,000 | 所以我針對獨價修法的問題 |
| 00:12:25,000 | 00:12:27,000 | 我等待會討論的時候 |
| 00:12:27,000 | 00:12:29,000 | 待會討論的時候我再提 |
| 00:12:29,000 | 00:12:32,000 | 可是很重要的原因就是待會可能請市長先準備 |
| 00:12:32,000 | 00:12:35,000 | 也就是如果說當一個獨價 |
| 00:12:35,000 | 00:12:37,000 | 他同時也有酒價的時候 |
| 00:12:37,000 | 00:12:39,000 | 以我們現在的條文來說 |
| 00:12:39,000 | 00:12:41,000 | 要怎麼樣去論處 |
| 00:12:41,000 | 00:12:42,000 | 這是我要想講的 |
| 00:12:42,000 | 00:12:45,000 | 因為我們現在這次的修法是把獨價 |
| 00:12:45,000 | 00:12:47,000 | 跟酒價區分開來 |
| 00:12:47,000 | 00:12:49,000 | 可是當我們發現一個實際的個案 |
| 00:12:49,000 | 00:12:51,000 | 他先喝了酒又在吸毒 |
| 00:12:51,000 | 00:12:53,000 | 那同時被抓到了 |
| 00:12:53,000 | 00:12:57,000 | 但我們到底是要適用哪一個條文來論處 |
| 00:12:57,000 | 00:12:59,000 | 哪一項來論處 |
| 00:12:59,000 | 00:13:00,000 | 這是我的問題 |
| 00:13:00,000 | 00:13:02,000 | 但我們等到待會要進入逐條的時候 |
| 00:13:02,000 | 00:13:05,000 | 再來做細緻的討論 |
| 00:13:05,000 | 00:13:07,000 | 好 以上謝謝 |