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陳冠廷 @ 第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第27次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,030 | 00:00:01,030 | 前部長 |
| 00:00:01,750 | 00:00:02,750 | 請顧部長 |
| 00:00:08,250 | 00:00:09,250 | 是 陳偉 |
| 00:00:09,750 | 00:00:11,750 | 呃 部長我們 |
| 00:00:11,980 | 00:00:12,980 | 大概這個 |
| 00:00:13,560 | 00:00:15,560 | 相關的這個可能會 |
| 00:00:15,560 | 00:00:17,560 | 降速 降速網路的這個部分 |
| 00:00:17,560 | 00:00:19,560 | 還有相關的演練 |
| 00:00:19,560 | 00:00:21,560 | 大概是在8月13號會執行嘛 |
| 00:00:21,560 | 00:00:23,560 | 這個時間點應該沒錯嘛 |
| 00:00:24,360 | 00:00:26,360 | 應該是分 |
| 00:00:27,010 | 00:00:29,010 | 兩個 兩個時段嘛 |
| 00:00:29,010 | 00:00:32,010 | 然後有包含14個縣市嘛 |
| 00:00:32,010 | 00:00:34,010 | 是 包含14個縣市 |
| 00:00:34,010 | 00:00:36,010 | 也包括嘉義 |
| 00:00:36,010 | 00:00:38,010 | 也有包括我們嘉義 |
| 00:00:38,010 | 00:00:40,010 | 所以大概是中部的話是到 |
| 00:00:40,010 | 00:00:42,010 | 是8月10號 |
| 00:00:42,010 | 00:00:44,010 | 那在 |
| 00:00:44,010 | 00:00:46,010 | 呃 北部的話是8月13號 |
| 00:00:46,010 | 00:00:48,010 | 那中部的話最難 |
| 00:00:48,010 | 00:00:50,010 | 應該是到我們嘉義 |
| 00:00:50,010 | 00:00:52,010 | 對 中部從 |
| 00:00:52,010 | 00:00:54,010 | 呃 |
| 00:00:53,710 | 00:00:55,710 | 苗栗一直到嘉義嘛 |
| 00:00:55,710 | 00:00:57,710 | 那 北部是從宜蘭 |
| 00:00:59,330 | 00:01:01,330 | 呃 一直到新竹 |
| 00:01:01,330 | 00:01:03,330 | 是 那他這一個部分是 |
| 00:01:03,330 | 00:01:05,330 | 配合我國的 |
| 00:01:05,330 | 00:01:07,330 | 漢方演習 |
| 00:01:07,360 | 00:01:10,360 | 這個 呃 他採的一個時 |
| 00:01:10,360 | 00:01:12,360 | 時段 是在我們漢光 |
| 00:01:12,360 | 00:01:14,360 | 確實是在我們漢光演習的 |
| 00:01:14,360 | 00:01:15,360 | 一個時間 |
| 00:01:15,360 | 00:01:17,360 | 那因為 呃 從 |
| 00:01:17,360 | 00:01:19,360 | 之前就是全社會防衛 |
| 00:01:19,360 | 00:01:21,360 | 任性的這個演習 |
| 00:01:21,360 | 00:01:23,360 | 他們都會希望能夠 |
| 00:01:23,360 | 00:01:25,360 | 結合漢光的演習 |
| 00:01:25,360 | 00:01:27,360 | 來實施 |
| 00:01:27,360 | 00:01:29,360 | 所以才會有這樣子的一個 |
| 00:01:29,360 | 00:01:31,360 | 在漢光演習的時間 |
| 00:01:31,360 | 00:01:33,360 | 搭配我們漢光的一個 |
| 00:01:33,360 | 00:01:35,360 | 進程 |
| 00:01:35,360 | 00:01:37,360 | 然後來做相關的全社會防衛 |
| 00:01:37,360 | 00:01:39,360 | 任性的演練 |
| 00:01:39,360 | 00:01:41,360 | 那 行動 呃 這個 |
| 00:01:41,360 | 00:01:43,360 | 網路的一個降速呢 |
| 00:01:43,360 | 00:01:45,360 | 這是因為今年第一次弄 |
| 00:01:45,360 | 00:01:47,360 | 所以我想 這個部分 |
| 00:01:47,360 | 00:01:49,360 | 行政院確實 |
| 00:01:49,360 | 00:01:51,360 | 也會進一步再做一個比較完整 |
| 00:01:51,360 | 00:01:53,360 | 的一個說明 |
| 00:01:53,360 | 00:01:55,360 | 那 呃 演練這一個 |
| 00:01:55,360 | 00:01:57,360 | 在這個通訊網路 |
| 00:01:57,360 | 00:01:59,360 | 這一個降速而受阻的情況之下 |
| 00:01:59,360 | 00:02:01,360 | 那 呃 讓民眾 |
| 00:02:01,360 | 00:02:03,360 | 呃 能夠理解 |
| 00:02:03,360 | 00:02:05,360 | 確實在這個 |
| 00:02:05,360 | 00:02:07,360 | 緊急的狀態之下確實 |
| 00:02:07,360 | 00:02:09,360 | 也有發生這種問題的可能性 |
| 00:02:09,360 | 00:02:11,360 | 這樣子 |
| 00:02:11,550 | 00:02:13,550 | 我今天主要是 |
| 00:02:13,550 | 00:02:15,550 | 特別要提到這個時間點跟我們 |
| 00:02:15,550 | 00:02:17,550 | 為什麼要做這件事情 |
| 00:02:17,680 | 00:02:19,680 | 主要是要提醒所有的 |
| 00:02:19,680 | 00:02:21,680 | 我們的國民說 所有 |
| 00:02:21,680 | 00:02:23,680 | 類似這樣子的狀況 |
| 00:02:23,680 | 00:02:25,680 | 我們事先提醒 那是在做一些 |
| 00:02:25,680 | 00:02:27,680 | 預備的演練 |
| 00:02:28,480 | 00:02:30,480 | 中方他是可能在任何一個時間點 |
| 00:02:30,480 | 00:02:32,480 | 在我們沒有任何準備的狀況之下 |
| 00:02:32,480 | 00:02:34,480 | 對我們 |
| 00:02:33,900 | 00:02:35,900 | 產生 或者是對我們 |
| 00:02:35,900 | 00:02:37,900 | 做出任何的敵情的 |
| 00:02:37,900 | 00:02:39,900 | 攻擊威脅 |
| 00:02:39,900 | 00:02:41,900 | 那包含剛才講到的 |
| 00:02:41,900 | 00:02:43,900 | 我們現在是這樣網速 |
| 00:02:43,900 | 00:02:45,900 | 那可能最後會是斷網速 |
| 00:02:45,900 | 00:02:47,900 | 就是直接中共可能直接幫我們斷網速 |
| 00:02:47,900 | 00:02:49,900 | 跟委員報告就是說 |
| 00:02:49,900 | 00:02:51,900 | 這個環空演習裡面之前 |
| 00:02:51,900 | 00:02:53,900 | 你看就有做警報發放 |
| 00:02:53,900 | 00:02:55,900 | 疏散避難 交通管制 |
| 00:02:55,900 | 00:02:57,900 | 等等這些演練 |
| 00:02:57,900 | 00:02:59,900 | 那也都是 呃 從某些地區 |
| 00:02:59,900 | 00:03:01,900 | 然後逐步的再擴大嘛 |
| 00:03:01,900 | 00:03:03,900 | 行動網路的一個 |
| 00:03:03,900 | 00:03:05,900 | 一個降速 這個也是 |
| 00:03:05,900 | 00:03:07,900 | 在我們可能的這個 |
| 00:03:09,150 | 00:03:11,150 | 設想的情況範圍之內 |
| 00:03:11,150 | 00:03:13,150 | 所以 呃 讓民眾來 |
| 00:03:13,150 | 00:03:15,150 | 來知道可能會有這個狀況 |
| 00:03:15,150 | 00:03:17,150 | 我想 呃 當然我 |
| 00:03:17,150 | 00:03:19,150 | 我想各位很多委員都指教說 |
| 00:03:19,150 | 00:03:21,150 | 可能還需要做更多的說明 |
| 00:03:21,150 | 00:03:23,150 | 那 我 我不太確定 |
| 00:03:23,150 | 00:03:25,150 | 我不太確定 我原因是因為 |
| 00:03:25,150 | 00:03:27,150 | 我們之所以要做這樣的演練 |
| 00:03:27,150 | 00:03:29,150 | 不就是要做好 |
| 00:03:29,150 | 00:03:31,150 | 第一個是有突發狀況的 第二個是 |
| 00:03:31,150 | 00:03:33,150 | 沒有突發狀況的事前演練 |
| 00:03:33,150 | 00:03:35,150 | 所以 當然 |
| 00:03:35,150 | 00:03:37,150 | 第一次的這種演練的話 |
| 00:03:37,150 | 00:03:39,150 | 也先說明可以降低民眾的恐慌 |
| 00:03:40,000 | 00:03:42,000 | 但是俄羅斯也沒有給烏克蘭機會 |
| 00:03:42,000 | 00:03:44,000 | 讓他們去演練喔 所以 |
| 00:03:44,000 | 00:03:46,000 | 我還是認為 有人 |
| 00:03:46,000 | 00:03:48,000 | 今天早上有記者詢問說 |
| 00:03:48,000 | 00:03:50,000 | 那為什麼選擇在這個時間點 |
| 00:03:50,000 | 00:03:52,000 | 為什麼不想說再往後延一點 |
| 00:03:52,000 | 00:03:54,000 | 等到民眾更能夠準備好 |
| 00:03:54,270 | 00:03:58,270 | 可是這樣的變成說 我永遠都不知道什麼時候才是正確的時間點 |
| 00:03:58,270 | 00:04:00,270 | 永遠都不知道什麼時候才可以做第一次這樣的演練 |
| 00:04:01,280 | 00:04:03,280 | 所以我認為 有相關的做法是正確的 |
| 00:04:05,510 | 00:04:06,010 | 過 |
| 00:04:06,340 | 00:04:08,340 | 我們也要注意幾件事情喔 |
| 00:04:08,340 | 00:04:10,340 | 我想 欸 我們的這個軍事情報處處長也有在嗎 |
| 00:04:15,650 | 00:04:16,149 | 是 |
| 00:04:17,240 | 00:04:19,240 | 我擔心的是 有沒有可能 |
| 00:04:19,240 | 00:04:21,240 | 中共已經確知 我們8月的這兩次 |
| 00:04:21,240 | 00:04:23,240 | 一次是北部 一次是中部的這個時間點 |
| 00:04:23,240 | 00:04:25,240 | 一次是北部 一次是中部的這個時間點 |
| 00:04:25,240 | 00:04:27,240 | 那在這個時間點裡面 他們可能會給我們降網速 |
| 00:04:27,240 | 00:04:29,240 | 中共有沒有辦法 |
| 00:04:29,240 | 00:04:31,240 | 或者是還有有沒有 |
| 00:04:31,240 | 00:04:33,240 | 這樣子 有沒有接獲相關的情報 |
| 00:04:33,240 | 00:04:35,240 | 也會在同樣的時間點 |
| 00:04:35,240 | 00:04:37,240 | 直接執行降我們網速 |
| 00:04:37,240 | 00:04:39,240 | 斷我們的網速 然後進行把它 |
| 00:04:39,240 | 00:04:41,240 | 歸咎成為我國 |
| 00:04:41,240 | 00:04:43,240 | 內部技術 或者是 |
| 00:04:43,240 | 00:04:45,240 | 技術性的 沒有辦法恢復網速 |
| 00:04:45,240 | 00:04:47,240 | 然後歸咎在我們的行政部門上面 |
| 00:04:47,240 | 00:04:49,240 | 也就是說 |
| 00:04:50,580 | 00:04:52,580 | 它在我們做演練的時候 |
| 00:04:52,850 | 00:04:54,850 | 直接執行攻擊 |
| 00:04:54,850 | 00:04:56,850 | 在執行攻擊之後 |
| 00:04:56,200 | 00:04:58,200 | 來否認他們執行攻擊 |
| 00:04:58,200 | 00:05:00,200 | 因為我們也是在那個時間點 |
| 00:05:00,200 | 00:05:02,200 | 對我國的部分地區 |
| 00:05:02,200 | 00:05:04,200 | 做出網速的降速 |
| 00:05:04,830 | 00:05:06,830 | 那就是圍棋行動 |
| 00:05:06,830 | 00:05:08,830 | 那這樣子的圍棋行動在俄羅斯對烏克蘭的行動中多次出現 |
| 00:05:08,830 | 00:05:10,830 | 那有沒有接獲相關的情報 |
| 00:05:10,830 | 00:05:12,830 | 以及如果真的要這麼處理的話 |
| 00:05:12,830 | 00:05:14,830 | 你們要怎麼樣去反制 |
| 00:05:14,830 | 00:05:16,830 | 是 委員的提醒 |
| 00:05:16,830 | 00:05:18,830 | 可能我們會來加以 |
| 00:05:18,830 | 00:05:20,830 | 轉達 主要就是因為過去 |
| 00:05:20,830 | 00:05:22,830 | 在一些 |
| 00:05:22,460 | 00:05:24,460 | 相關可能的一些 |
| 00:05:25,080 | 00:05:27,080 | 場合包括不管是 |
| 00:05:27,080 | 00:05:29,080 | 針對性軍演 或者是怎麼樣 |
| 00:05:29,080 | 00:05:31,080 | 我們都會成立這個相關的一些 |
| 00:05:31,080 | 00:05:33,080 | 跨部會的一個小組 |
| 00:05:33,080 | 00:05:35,080 | 跟 |
| 00:05:35,080 | 00:05:37,080 | 相關的部會 |
| 00:05:37,080 | 00:05:39,080 | 來做好這個 |
| 00:05:39,080 | 00:05:41,080 | 有關資安的 |
| 00:05:41,080 | 00:05:43,080 | 聯防的一個 |
| 00:05:43,080 | 00:05:45,080 | 機制 那你現在提到 |
| 00:05:45,080 | 00:05:47,080 | 這個問題 我覺得是可以 |
| 00:05:47,080 | 00:05:49,080 | 來考量 |
| 00:05:50,090 | 00:05:52,090 | 可能的問題 |
| 00:05:52,090 | 00:05:54,090 | 我們希望他不要防身 |
| 00:05:54,090 | 00:05:56,090 | 他不是做資安的防護而已 |
| 00:05:56,090 | 00:05:58,090 | 因為他是 你防護 |
| 00:05:58,090 | 00:06:00,090 | 是一回事 但是這個其實是情報的操作 |
| 00:06:01,780 | 00:06:03,780 | 那還有甚至是資訊的這個操作 |
| 00:06:03,780 | 00:06:05,780 | 那他就不是單純的技術問題 |
| 00:06:05,780 | 00:06:07,780 | 就是說這個 |
| 00:06:07,780 | 00:06:09,780 | 怎麼樣防止中共的網軍 |
| 00:06:09,780 | 00:06:11,780 | 怎麼樣防止中共的這個 |
| 00:06:11,780 | 00:06:13,780 | Cyber的攻擊 然後可能什麼 |
| 00:06:13,780 | 00:06:15,780 | DDoS等等 不是 |
| 00:06:15,780 | 00:06:17,780 | 他這麼做的話 他是要把這個東西 |
| 00:06:17,780 | 00:06:19,780 | 把它轉移成為 |
| 00:06:19,780 | 00:06:21,780 | 是我們行政端上面 |
| 00:06:21,780 | 00:06:23,780 | 技術上的失敗 無法把 |
| 00:06:23,780 | 00:06:25,780 | 網速往回提升 所以 |
| 00:06:25,780 | 00:06:27,780 | 萬一有這樣的情報第一時間也要跟民眾 |
| 00:06:27,780 | 00:06:29,780 | 講說這也是有可能的風險 |
| 00:06:30,500 | 00:06:32,500 | 如果我是中共的話 我一定會在那個時間點 |
| 00:06:32,500 | 00:06:34,500 | 做出相應的做法 因為沒有 |
| 00:06:34,500 | 00:06:36,500 | 任何證據 |
| 00:06:36,260 | 00:06:38,260 | 那我先入 |
| 00:06:37,670 | 00:06:39,670 | 無止盡的資訊戰跟輿論戰 |
| 00:06:39,670 | 00:06:41,670 | 因為你不會知道什麼是真實的 |
| 00:06:41,670 | 00:06:43,670 | 是 您的意見 我想我們會轉達 |
| 00:06:43,670 | 00:06:45,670 | 給相關的這些 |
| 00:06:45,670 | 00:06:47,670 | 部會 包括NCC說法部等等 |
| 00:06:47,670 | 00:06:49,670 | 我請他們再做個 |
| 00:06:49,670 | 00:06:51,670 | 這個研判 |
| 00:06:51,670 | 00:06:53,670 | 麻煩軍情單位 |
| 00:06:53,670 | 00:06:55,670 | 也可能要做好準備 |
| 00:06:55,670 | 00:06:57,670 | 因為我們事先提醒 |
| 00:06:57,670 | 00:06:59,670 | 事先把它講出來 |
| 00:06:59,670 | 00:07:01,670 | 我們應該會大家互相來協作 |
| 00:07:01,670 | 00:07:03,670 | OK 這個蠻重要的 |
| 00:07:03,670 | 00:07:05,670 | 那第二點喔 關於採購的部分 |
| 00:07:05,670 | 00:07:07,670 | 關於採購的部分 |
| 00:07:07,190 | 00:07:09,190 | 那今天我聽到很多 |
| 00:07:09,190 | 00:07:11,190 | 呃 |
| 00:07:10,750 | 00:07:12,750 | 很多委員都有提到一些 |
| 00:07:12,750 | 00:07:14,750 | 延宕啦 一些細節 |
| 00:07:14,750 | 00:07:16,750 | 或者是單指哪一個 |
| 00:07:16,750 | 00:07:18,750 | 比方哪一個廠啊 哪一件事情 |
| 00:07:18,750 | 00:07:20,750 | 我 |
| 00:07:20,640 | 00:07:22,640 | 我覺得 這樣子的方式 |
| 00:07:22,640 | 00:07:24,640 | 沒有辦法解決我們一些潛在 |
| 00:07:24,640 | 00:07:26,640 | 應該說根本上的問題 |
| 00:07:26,640 | 00:07:28,640 | 你今天 我們最開始我們提出的 |
| 00:07:28,640 | 00:07:30,640 | 五項經濟作為喔 |
| 00:07:30,640 | 00:07:32,640 | 其實都是在我們現有的政府採購法 |
| 00:07:32,640 | 00:07:34,640 | 的框架裡面喔 |
| 00:07:34,640 | 00:07:36,640 | 那 基本上 |
| 00:07:36,670 | 00:07:38,670 | 你們沒有提到 |
| 00:07:38,670 | 00:07:40,670 | 一些我們可能會遇到最大的問題 |
| 00:07:40,670 | 00:07:42,670 | 比方說OTA啊 |
| 00:07:42,670 | 00:07:44,670 | 比方說 美國的這個聯邦採購法 |
| 00:07:44,670 | 00:07:46,670 | 為什麼當初聯邦採購法 |
| 00:07:46,670 | 00:07:48,670 | 沒有辦法在美國有效的 |
| 00:07:48,670 | 00:07:50,670 | 執行國防快速的變革 |
| 00:07:51,620 | 00:07:53,620 | 廢事 |
| 00:07:53,620 | 00:07:55,620 | 要採購某一個武器裝備的時候 |
| 00:07:55,620 | 00:07:57,620 | 這個武器裝備搞不好已經過世了 |
| 00:07:58,340 | 00:08:00,340 | 這是20年前的事情 |
| 00:08:00,340 | 00:08:02,340 | 這是30年前的事情 |
| 00:08:02,340 | 00:08:04,340 | 但現在是每半年 |
| 00:08:03,090 | 00:08:05,090 | 在烏克朗的話基本上是每三個禮拜 |
| 00:08:05,090 | 00:08:07,090 | 甚至是每兩個禮拜就是一個循環 |
| 00:08:07,090 | 00:08:09,090 | 就是一個循環 |
| 00:08:09,090 | 00:08:11,090 | 那麼技術就必須要革新 |
| 00:08:11,090 | 00:08:13,090 | 那這樣的狀況之下 |
| 00:08:13,090 | 00:08:15,090 | 單純的用各位的五項經濟作為 |
| 00:08:15,090 | 00:08:17,090 | 可能沒有辦法直接解決這樣的問題 |
| 00:08:17,090 | 00:08:19,090 | 他必須要有修法端 |
| 00:08:19,090 | 00:08:21,090 | 來去做 |
| 00:08:22,080 | 00:08:24,080 | 每次我們聽到包含這個 |
| 00:08:24,080 | 00:08:26,080 | DIO |
| 00:08:26,080 | 00:08:28,080 | 我們的這個國防專精小組成立 |
| 00:08:28,080 | 00:08:30,080 | 那我常常聽到就是說 |
| 00:08:30,080 | 00:08:32,079 | 我們現有的政府採購法等等等等 |
| 00:08:32,079 | 00:08:34,079 | 然後沒有辦法用很快速的方式 |
| 00:08:34,079 | 00:08:36,079 | 去採購 那也沒有 |
| 00:08:36,079 | 00:08:38,079 | 像OTA這種其他的交易授權的方式 |
| 00:08:38,079 | 00:08:40,079 | 也沒有MTA |
| 00:08:40,079 | 00:08:42,079 | 這種中間層的採購的方式 |
| 00:08:42,079 | 00:08:44,079 | 也沒有美國的各種 |
| 00:08:44,079 | 00:08:46,079 | 的各樣的採購的新的法規 |
| 00:08:46,079 | 00:08:48,079 | 去做處理 |
| 00:08:48,079 | 00:08:50,079 | 所以他還就是選在那裡 |
| 00:08:50,080 | 00:08:52,080 | 還是放在那邊 |
| 00:08:52,080 | 00:08:54,080 | 所以儘管我們有一個 |
| 00:08:53,520 | 00:08:55,520 | 國防創新小組 |
| 00:08:55,520 | 00:08:57,520 | 那他可能就只是一個大型的 |
| 00:08:57,520 | 00:08:59,520 | 名片交換的一個公司 |
| 00:09:00,450 | 00:09:02,450 | 他跟很多美國的創新的這些企業 |
| 00:09:02,450 | 00:09:04,450 | 交換名片 |
| 00:09:04,450 | 00:09:06,450 | 那有的時候他們才有辦法交換 |
| 00:09:06,450 | 00:09:08,450 | 有的時候別人找不到我們 |
| 00:09:08,450 | 00:09:10,450 | 因為我們到現在也沒有網站 |
| 00:09:10,450 | 00:09:12,450 | 我們是2024年2月DIO成立 |
| 00:09:12,450 | 00:09:14,450 | 那今年是2026年7月 |
| 00:09:16,280 | 00:09:18,280 | 那重點不是網站的建立而已 |
| 00:09:18,280 | 00:09:20,280 | 重點是背後的採購的這個原理 |
| 00:09:20,990 | 00:09:22,990 | 怎麼樣可以快速的來去 |
| 00:09:22,990 | 00:09:24,990 | 尋訪這些商人 |
| 00:09:24,990 | 00:09:26,990 | 而商人又可以快速的找到 |
| 00:09:27,050 | 00:09:29,050 | DiU或Dio |
| 00:09:29,050 | 00:09:31,050 | 我不知道我們現在的做法 |
| 00:09:31,050 | 00:09:33,050 | 我們的網站是要怎麼來去處理 |
| 00:09:33,050 | 00:09:35,050 | 快速找到我們的這些需求之後 |
| 00:09:35,050 | 00:09:37,050 | 他們才能夠提供他們的 |
| 00:09:37,050 | 00:09:39,050 | 解決方案可是他們提供他們的解決方案之後 |
| 00:09:39,050 | 00:09:41,050 | 如果又要走到 |
| 00:09:41,050 | 00:09:43,050 | Coinface的採購流程的話 |
| 00:09:43,530 | 00:09:45,530 | 如果還是要走到無項的精進方案的話 |
| 00:09:45,530 | 00:09:47,530 | 我們遇到的問題還是一樣 |
| 00:09:48,610 | 00:09:50,610 | 那這個部分 |
| 00:09:51,110 | 00:09:53,110 | 我認為部長可以大膽的來去思考一下 |
| 00:09:53,110 | 00:09:55,110 | 我們的 |
| 00:09:56,220 | 00:09:58,220 | 採購方案 |
| 00:09:57,790 | 00:09:59,790 | 有沒有需要 |
| 00:09:59,570 | 00:10:01,570 | 成立 |
| 00:10:01,080 | 00:10:03,080 | 快速迭代的這種狀況 |
| 00:10:03,140 | 00:10:05,140 | 要去做修正的 |
| 00:10:05,140 | 00:10:07,140 | 我們提出來 |
| 00:10:05,710 | 00:10:07,710 | 提出來我們的法案不見得 |
| 00:10:07,710 | 00:10:09,710 | 應該說在現在的國會環境可能沒有辦法 |
| 00:10:11,550 | 00:10:13,550 | 修正通過 |
| 00:10:13,550 | 00:10:15,550 | 但是一個開始 |
| 00:10:15,550 | 00:10:17,550 | 就是有一個草案讓我們來去看 |
| 00:10:17,550 | 00:10:19,550 | 有一個草案讓國內外的這個產業能夠知道 |
| 00:10:19,550 | 00:10:21,550 | 我們現在 |
| 00:10:21,930 | 00:10:23,930 | 如果有一天在我們國會 |
| 00:10:24,840 | 00:10:26,840 | 在更有利的環境 |
| 00:10:26,840 | 00:10:28,840 | 更友善的環境下可以去推動 |
| 00:10:28,840 | 00:10:30,840 | 這個部分我還是 |
| 00:10:30,840 | 00:10:32,840 | 很希望能夠去思考一下 |
| 00:10:32,840 | 00:10:34,840 | 不然我們就算有這個國防創新小組 |
| 00:10:34,840 | 00:10:36,840 | 就算有想要創新的目的 |
| 00:10:36,840 | 00:10:38,840 | 但是如果沒有以法規 |
| 00:10:38,840 | 00:10:40,840 | 做拘處 |
| 00:10:40,840 | 00:10:42,840 | 如果沒有辦法用快速採購快速武獲的方式的話 |
| 00:10:42,840 | 00:10:44,840 | 那我們還是會在原來的問題打轉 |
| 00:10:44,840 | 00:10:46,840 | 那這不是同仁們的錯 |
| 00:10:46,840 | 00:10:48,840 | 這只是結構上面 |
| 00:10:48,840 | 00:10:50,840 | 法律上面就是這樣子 |
| 00:10:52,270 | 00:10:54,270 | 部長有什麼簡單的回應嗎 |
| 00:10:54,270 | 00:10:56,270 | 是這個 |
| 00:10:56,270 | 00:10:58,270 | 因為採購法的修正 |
| 00:10:58,270 | 00:11:00,270 | 我們當然很願意來跟這個 |
| 00:11:02,090 | 00:11:04,090 | 公共工程委員會來討論 |
| 00:11:04,090 | 00:11:06,090 | 那我們現行的 |
| 00:11:06,090 | 00:11:08,090 | 能夠做法 |
| 00:11:08,090 | 00:11:10,090 | 當然就是說 |
| 00:11:10,090 | 00:11:12,090 | 如果有特別預算通過 |
| 00:11:12,090 | 00:11:14,090 | 有一個多年期 |
| 00:11:14,090 | 00:11:16,090 | 在交裝之後我們會有一個 |
| 00:11:16,090 | 00:11:18,090 | 叫做 |
| 00:11:17,630 | 00:11:19,630 | 回饋的資訊平台 |
| 00:11:19,630 | 00:11:21,630 | 這個回饋的資訊平台我們就 |
| 00:11:21,630 | 00:11:23,630 | 就 |
| 00:11:23,250 | 00:11:25,250 | 依照回饋 |
| 00:11:25,250 | 00:11:27,250 | 就回饋他們部隊的使用狀況 |
| 00:11:27,250 | 00:11:29,250 | 還有這個國際上 |
| 00:11:29,250 | 00:11:31,250 | 迭代更新的一些狀況 |
| 00:11:31,250 | 00:11:33,250 | 那我們就結合 |
| 00:11:33,250 | 00:11:35,250 | 公務員院、中科院 |
| 00:11:35,250 | 00:11:37,250 | 還有整平司啦 |
| 00:11:37,250 | 00:11:39,250 | 還有原廠還有這些軍種 |
| 00:11:39,250 | 00:11:41,250 | 我們就以一個 |
| 00:11:41,250 | 00:11:43,250 | 螺旋式的開發的概念 |
| 00:11:43,250 | 00:11:45,250 | 來逐步更新這個採購的規格 |
| 00:11:45,250 | 00:11:47,250 | 現在是在確保 |
| 00:11:47,250 | 00:11:49,250 | 就是說我們分年都能夠獲得 |
| 00:11:49,250 | 00:11:51,250 | 最新的機種 |
| 00:11:51,250 | 00:11:53,250 | 機型 |
| 00:11:53,250 | 00:11:55,250 | 那現在這個就是我們現在 |
| 00:11:55,250 | 00:11:57,250 | 在採購還沒有 |
| 00:11:57,250 | 00:11:59,250 | 修法的情況之下我們能夠 |
| 00:11:59,250 | 00:12:01,250 | 做到的部分 |
| 00:12:01,250 | 00:12:03,250 | 部長我先趕快點一下 |
| 00:12:03,250 | 00:12:05,250 | 因為你剛剛講到一個部分我覺得不錯 |
| 00:12:05,250 | 00:12:07,250 | 我還是想要回應 |
| 00:12:07,250 | 00:12:09,250 | 我為什麼一直在講這個 |
| 00:12:09,250 | 00:12:11,250 | 國防傳遞新小組的網站 |
| 00:12:11,250 | 00:12:13,250 | 我不是在講網站其實我是講的是平台 |
| 00:12:13,250 | 00:12:15,250 | 那這個平台的意義就是 |
| 00:12:15,250 | 00:12:17,250 | 像Break One一樣,烏克蘭那個平台 |
| 00:12:17,250 | 00:12:19,250 | 對我們這個就是 |
| 00:12:19,250 | 00:12:21,250 | 已經過兩年半沒關係 |
| 00:12:21,250 | 00:12:23,250 | 既然要做就不要只做這樣 |
| 00:12:23,250 | 00:12:25,250 | 就不要只做一種門面式的網站 |
| 00:12:25,250 | 00:12:27,250 | 而已,你就把它 |
| 00:12:27,250 | 00:12:29,250 | 思考成為一個平台,剛才你提到 |
| 00:12:29,250 | 00:12:31,250 | 很好啊,回饋嘛就是 |
| 00:12:31,250 | 00:12:33,250 | 怎麼樣把部隊的使用狀況回饋 |
| 00:12:33,250 | 00:12:35,250 | 我們現在是在和平時期 |
| 00:12:35,250 | 00:12:37,250 | 所以我們沒有作戰狀況,我們沒有像烏克蘭一樣 |
| 00:12:37,250 | 00:12:39,250 | 說,欸這一個武器的系統 |
| 00:12:39,250 | 00:12:41,250 | 它使用的狀況,它打擊的狀況 |
| 00:12:41,250 | 00:12:43,250 | 很好,所以我們可以馬上回饋 |
| 00:12:44,080 | 00:12:46,080 | 但我們有演習,我們有訓練 |
| 00:12:46,080 | 00:12:48,080 | 我們會有藍方跟紅方嗎 |
| 00:12:49,180 | 00:12:51,180 | 會嗎?會有這樣的對抗嗎? |
| 00:12:51,180 | 00:12:53,180 | 會有演習,會有訓練,然後我們會有 |
| 00:12:53,180 | 00:12:55,180 | 商情的延續 |
| 00:12:55,180 | 00:12:57,180 | 所以上,我們儘量 |
| 00:12:57,180 | 00:12:59,180 | 學習烏克蘭Break One的 |
| 00:12:59,180 | 00:13:01,180 | 這個概念,然後來回饋 |
| 00:13:01,180 | 00:13:03,180 | 那個,不管是 |
| 00:13:03,180 | 00:13:05,180 | 透過訓練演性跟那個 |
| 00:13:05,180 | 00:13:07,180 | 商情 |
| 00:13:07,180 | 00:13:09,180 | 的一個收言 |
| 00:13:09,180 | 00:13:11,180 | 得到的一些 |
| 00:13:11,180 | 00:13:13,180 | 一些迭代的一些 |
| 00:13:13,180 | 00:13:15,180 | 創新的已經功能,然後我們來 |
| 00:13:15,180 | 00:13:17,180 | 在這個整個系統裡面 |
| 00:13:17,180 | 00:13:19,180 | 做互相回饋,那這個 |
| 00:13:19,180 | 00:13:21,180 | 誘因就是說,它願意做 |
| 00:13:21,180 | 00:13:23,180 | 迭代創新的話,它當然就會在 |
| 00:13:23,180 | 00:13:25,180 | 下一次的最有力標裡面 |
| 00:13:25,180 | 00:13:27,180 | 得到加分 |
| 00:13:27,210 | 00:13:29,210 | 好 |
| 00:13:28,680 | 00:13:30,680 | 謝謝 |
| 00:13:29,810 | 00:13:31,810 | 好,謝謝部長 |
| 00:13:31,260 | 00:13:33,260 | 好 |