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羅智強 @ 第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第21次全體委員會議
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| 00:00:00,000 | 00:00:04,360 | 有請院長 |
| 00:00:08,200 | 00:00:08,960 | 羅院長 |
| 00:00:09,480 | 00:00:10,760 | 院長好 |
| 00:00:11,280 | 00:00:15,620 | AI是台灣轉型跟成長的重要機會 |
| 00:00:15,880 | 00:00:22,780 | 那中研院也將建構AI與治理工作作為重要工作 |
| 00:00:23,040 | 00:00:25,340 | 那你覺得發展AI |
| 00:00:25,860 | 00:00:27,660 | 電力扮演的角色是什麼 |
| 00:00:28,640 | 00:00:32,980 | AI在中研研究院扮演的角色嗎 |
| 00:00:33,240 | 00:00:37,340 | 我說電力,台灣的能源供應對AI扮演的角色 |
| 00:00:37,340 | 00:00:38,620 | 抱歉,我沒有聽清楚 |
| 00:00:38,620 | 00:00:42,019 | 當然電力扮演的角色是相當的重要 |
| 00:00:42,019 | 00:00:44,260 | 那所以呢有足夠的 |
| 00:00:44,500 | 00:00:46,060 | 這一個電力供應是很重要 |
| 00:00:46,060 | 00:00:48,620 | 而中研研究院在AI的研究上 |
| 00:00:48,620 | 00:00:50,500 | 現在也在發展另外一個方向 |
| 00:00:50,500 | 00:00:51,780 | 就是所謂的 |
| 00:00:52,019 | 00:00:53,980 | 綠AI,GreenAI |
| 00:00:54,180 | 00:00:56,500 | 希望發展一些語言 |
| 00:00:56,739 | 00:00:59,300 | 模型是使用的電量比較少 |
| 00:00:59,300 | 00:01:01,339 | 而且是對特殊的領域 |
| 00:01:01,339 | 00:01:03,400 | 可以用的AI的系統 |
| 00:01:03,400 | 00:01:05,459 | 這是我們在學術研究發展上 |
| 00:01:05,459 | 00:01:06,979 | 在一個努力的目標 |
| 00:01:06,979 | 00:01:08,259 | 謝謝院長 |
| 00:01:08,259 | 00:01:10,300 | 開源節流一樣重要 |
| 00:01:10,300 | 00:01:12,820 | 你要發展綠色的AI |
| 00:01:12,820 | 00:01:14,340 | 來減少電力使用 |
| 00:01:14,340 | 00:01:16,420 | 這當然是一個值得肯定的方向 |
| 00:01:16,420 | 00:01:17,979 | 但是以現在 |
| 00:01:18,240 | 00:01:22,340 | 電力及算力基本上是國際的共識 |
| 00:01:22,340 | 00:01:23,120 | 所以 |
| 00:01:23,520 | 00:01:25,080 | 能源非常的重要 |
| 00:01:25,080 | 00:01:27,920 | 這一點我想院長不否認 |
| 00:01:27,920 | 00:01:29,040 | 對,全世界都一樣 |
| 00:01:29,040 | 00:01:29,720 | 好 |
| 00:01:30,160 | 00:01:31,840 | 預計到2029 |
| 00:01:31,840 | 00:01:34,680 | 全國AI算力中心所需要的電力 |
| 00:01:34,680 | 00:01:36,880 | 將是目前的7.5倍 |
| 00:01:36,880 | 00:01:40,200 | 那前中研院長廖俊志也說 |
| 00:01:40,200 | 00:01:42,960 | 若要全面近鄰轉型 |
| 00:01:42,960 | 00:01:45,680 | 同時支撐AI發展跟經濟成長 |
| 00:01:45,680 | 00:01:47,520 | 帶來的新增需求 |
| 00:01:47,520 | 00:01:49,400 | 台灣年用電量 |
| 00:01:49,400 | 00:01:52,480 | 可能從目前的2800億度 |
| 00:01:52,520 | 00:01:55,640 | 大幅攀升至5000億度以上 |
| 00:01:55,640 | 00:02:00,000 | 能源供應缺口將成為攸關台灣 |
| 00:02:00,000 | 00:02:01,320 | 產業 |
| 00:02:01,320 | 00:02:04,040 | 國家安全的重要課題 |
| 00:02:04,040 | 00:02:06,600 | 我們的廖前院長的這個預估 |
| 00:02:06,600 | 00:02:08,320 | 院長你認同嗎 |
| 00:02:08,320 | 00:02:11,000 | 這個預估我不知道他預估的方向 |
| 00:02:11,000 | 00:02:12,040 | 但是我相信 |
| 00:02:12,040 | 00:02:14,760 | 廖前院長如果提出這樣的估計的話 |
| 00:02:14,760 | 00:02:16,760 | 如果這個數據是他講的話 |
| 00:02:16,760 | 00:02:19,640 | 我相信一定有他手本 |
| 00:02:20,080 | 00:02:21,040 | 好 |
| 00:02:21,200 | 00:02:24,200 | 三年前院長在立法院備詢 |
| 00:02:24,200 | 00:02:25,959 | 有曾經說過 |
| 00:02:25,959 | 00:02:27,239 | 核電是綠電 |
| 00:02:27,239 | 00:02:28,400 | 對不對 |
| 00:02:28,400 | 00:02:30,399 | 三年前 |
| 00:02:30,399 | 00:02:31,880 | 這個他說過什麼我不太清楚 |
| 00:02:31,880 | 00:02:33,000 | 我說你 |
| 00:02:33,000 | 00:02:35,239 | 你在立法院備詢的時候 |
| 00:02:35,239 | 00:02:36,600 | 我說是行政院長的時候 |
| 00:02:36,600 | 00:02:38,120 | 在行政院的時候 |
| 00:02:38,120 | 00:02:39,920 | 你有說過 |
| 00:02:39,920 | 00:02:40,920 | 然後可是很可惜 |
| 00:02:40,920 | 00:02:42,359 | 當時有不同的意見 |
| 00:02:42,359 | 00:02:44,640 | 有些人核電說不是綠電 |
| 00:02:44,640 | 00:02:46,079 | 所以不認同 |
| 00:02:46,079 | 00:02:46,680 | 對 |
| 00:02:46,680 | 00:02:48,840 | 那經濟部長王美花 |
| 00:02:48,840 | 00:02:50,280 | 當時就否認你的說 |
| 00:02:50,320 | 00:02:51,240 | 否定你的說法 |
| 00:02:51,240 | 00:02:53,760 | 說綠電不包括核電 |
| 00:02:53,760 | 00:02:56,200 | 可是今天不是來跟你談綠電 |
| 00:02:56,200 | 00:02:58,000 | 是不是核電的問題 |
| 00:02:58,000 | 00:02:59,880 | 我先來談一件事情 |
| 00:02:59,880 | 00:03:01,160 | 我想請問院長 |
| 00:03:01,160 | 00:03:02,520 | 你應該知道 |
| 00:03:02,520 | 00:03:03,440 | 那個 |
| 00:03:03,440 | 00:03:05,480 | 賴清德總統的非核家園 |
| 00:03:05,480 | 00:03:06,760 | 民進黨非核家園政策 |
| 00:03:06,760 | 00:03:08,440 | 賴清德總統已經轉彎了 |
| 00:03:08,440 | 00:03:09,320 | 對不對 |
| 00:03:09,320 | 00:03:12,120 | 他已經是決定要使用核能了 |
| 00:03:12,120 | 00:03:14,800 | 對核二核三現在還在做安全評估 |
| 00:03:14,800 | 00:03:15,800 | 安全評估 |
| 00:03:15,800 | 00:03:18,080 | 往研議的方向在準備當中 |
| 00:03:18,080 | 00:03:19,160 | 對不對 |
| 00:03:19,160 | 00:03:21,640 | 院長我就要特別講一件事情 |
| 00:03:21,640 | 00:03:22,640 | 我想請問你 |
| 00:03:22,640 | 00:03:24,760 | 你覺得非核家園的政策 |
| 00:03:24,760 | 00:03:27,720 | 賴清德的轉彎你支不支持 |
| 00:03:27,720 | 00:03:31,359 | 我想在整體的核電的使用上 |
| 00:03:31,359 | 00:03:34,960 | 在專研就院的能源相關的 |
| 00:03:34,960 | 00:03:36,440 | 政策建議書裡面 |
| 00:03:36,440 | 00:03:37,400 | 也有提到 |
| 00:03:37,400 | 00:03:39,519 | 說核能在台灣的使用 |
| 00:03:39,519 | 00:03:40,440 | 有三個部分 |
| 00:03:40,440 | 00:03:42,480 | 第一個就是安全無虞 |
| 00:03:42,480 | 00:03:44,200 | 第二個是核廢料 |
| 00:03:44,200 | 00:03:46,519 | 或者剛才各位員講的 |
| 00:03:46,560 | 00:03:51,560 | 叫做殘餘的核燃料的處理 |
| 00:03:51,560 | 00:03:53,640 | 第三個就是社會共識 |
| 00:03:53,640 | 00:03:56,520 | 如果有這三個社會共識的時候 |
| 00:03:56,520 | 00:03:58,360 | 都能夠達到目標的話 |
| 00:03:58,360 | 00:03:59,080 | 就可以使用 |
| 00:03:59,080 | 00:04:00,520 | 10年的非核政策 |
| 00:04:00,520 | 00:04:02,040 | 你也深深參與其中 |
| 00:04:02,040 | 00:04:04,080 | 因為你當時又是行政院院長 |
| 00:04:04,080 | 00:04:06,000 | 又是副總統 |
| 00:04:06,000 | 00:04:07,320 | 你剛剛講這三個前提 |
| 00:04:07,320 | 00:04:08,880 | 這10年也沒變過 |
| 00:04:08,880 | 00:04:09,800 | 對 |
| 00:04:09,800 | 00:04:13,120 | 但是賴總統在10年前提沒變過的情況之下 |
| 00:04:13,120 | 00:04:16,360 | 已經下令要非核家園政策要停下來 |
| 00:04:16,400 | 00:04:18,680 | 要開始研議核電 |
| 00:04:18,680 | 00:04:20,080 | 那我當然知道 |
| 00:04:20,080 | 00:04:21,240 | 對於院長來說 |
| 00:04:21,240 | 00:04:23,800 | 你終究是前副總統 |
| 00:04:23,800 | 00:04:25,640 | 就是前行政院院長 |
| 00:04:25,640 | 00:04:27,400 | 所以我看你的回答有點為難 |
| 00:04:27,400 | 00:04:28,680 | 我也可以了解 |
| 00:04:28,680 | 00:04:30,080 | 但是我要講一件事情 |
| 00:04:30,080 | 00:04:33,800 | 我以前讓院長跟我們社會大眾評評理 |
| 00:04:33,800 | 00:04:37,400 | 其實我一直都主張 |
| 00:04:37,400 | 00:04:39,920 | 核能必須作為能源政策的選項 |
| 00:04:39,920 | 00:04:42,280 | 這10多年來我沒有改變過 |
| 00:04:42,280 | 00:04:44,120 | 當時我就講過 |
| 00:04:44,120 | 00:04:45,920 | 電力必缺 |
| 00:04:45,920 | 00:04:47,000 | 電價必漲 |
| 00:04:47,000 | 00:04:48,240 | 空污必爭 |
| 00:04:48,240 | 00:04:50,040 | 就是如果採取非核家園 |
| 00:04:50,040 | 00:04:52,120 | 一定要付出這三樣代價 |
| 00:04:52,120 | 00:04:55,800 | 但是現在其實這個問題就變得更嚴重 |
| 00:04:55,800 | 00:04:57,080 | 像剛剛連中研院 |
| 00:04:57,080 | 00:04:59,240 | 我們前院長都估 |
| 00:04:59,240 | 00:05:01,480 | 增加用電要將近一倍 |
| 00:05:01,480 | 00:05:03,240 | 到2029年的時候 |
| 00:05:03,240 | 00:05:04,360 | 所以你可以看到 |
| 00:05:04,360 | 00:05:05,920 | 像這個整個趨勢 |
| 00:05:05,920 | 00:05:10,560 | 核電變成是必須要納入能源政策選項 |
| 00:05:10,560 | 00:05:13,080 | 這是我想賴靜德總統為什麼要轉彎的一個 |
| 00:05:13,080 | 00:05:15,680 | 很重要的一個根據點 |
| 00:05:15,720 | 00:05:18,320 | 但是為什麼我要今天跟院長說 |
| 00:05:18,320 | 00:05:20,640 | 我必須說 |
| 00:05:20,640 | 00:05:23,320 | 當時你知道我也經歷過大罷免 |
| 00:05:23,320 | 00:05:25,360 | 民進黨鋪天蓋地的做大罷免 |
| 00:05:25,360 | 00:05:28,360 | 你知道有一個罷免我的理由是什麼你知道嗎 |
| 00:05:28,360 | 00:05:28,960 | 吳采編組 |
| 00:05:28,960 | 00:05:30,960 | 我反對非核家園的政策 |
| 00:05:30,960 | 00:05:34,400 | 我主張核電要作為能源政策的選項 |
| 00:05:34,400 | 00:05:36,280 | 結果還好啦 |
| 00:05:36,280 | 00:05:39,200 | 台灣人民我的大安區選民並沒有 |
| 00:05:39,200 | 00:05:41,480 | 因為這樣的罷免理由罷免我 |
| 00:05:41,480 | 00:05:45,120 | 但是我不禁也是覺得非常的遺憾 |
| 00:05:45,120 | 00:05:48,280 | 那照這個標準我也要不客氣的說 |
| 00:05:48,280 | 00:05:52,480 | 那想請教十年非核家園的轉彎 |
| 00:05:52,480 | 00:05:56,240 | 現在賴靜德總統已經宣布要研議核電 |
| 00:05:56,240 | 00:05:57,800 | 核耳跟核三了 |
| 00:05:57,800 | 00:06:01,040 | 那我都很想呼籲我們的民進黨的立委們 |
| 00:06:01,040 | 00:06:02,600 | 要不要提案自己罷免自己 |
| 00:06:02,600 | 00:06:06,200 | 因為大家現在在場所有的人 |
| 00:06:06,200 | 00:06:09,200 | 都是支持核能作為能源選項 |
| 00:06:09,200 | 00:06:11,600 | 執政黨在野黨也變成共識 |
| 00:06:11,600 | 00:06:13,520 | 那這件事情我要跟院長說 |
| 00:06:13,520 | 00:06:14,680 | 這也代表一件事情 |
| 00:06:14,680 | 00:06:17,680 | 就是說有時候有政策遠見的這件事情 |
| 00:06:17,680 | 00:06:19,320 | 是要付出代價的 |
| 00:06:19,320 | 00:06:20,359 | 但是沒有關係 |
| 00:06:20,359 | 00:06:26,080 | 這個代價終究時間會還給道理一個答案 |
| 00:06:26,080 | 00:06:28,200 | 所以最後告訴大家 |
| 00:06:28,200 | 00:06:30,240 | 其實過去羅志強的堅持 |
| 00:06:30,240 | 00:06:32,280 | 在野黨的堅持是正確的 |
| 00:06:32,280 | 00:06:35,799 | 當然我還是也是歡迎執政黨去跟進 |
| 00:06:35,799 | 00:06:37,440 | 我想請教下一個問題 |
| 00:06:37,440 | 00:06:38,520 | 就是 |
| 00:06:38,520 | 00:06:40,680 | 不過院長你還記不記得 |
| 00:06:40,680 | 00:06:42,440 | 在蘇潘宏事件的時候 |
| 00:06:42,480 | 00:06:44,840 | 我跟您也有一個一場質詢 |
| 00:06:44,840 | 00:06:45,880 | 對不對 |
| 00:06:45,880 | 00:06:47,960 | 那當時我們在爭執一個問題 |
| 00:06:47,960 | 00:06:49,360 | 就是你在做 |
| 00:06:49,360 | 00:06:53,600 | 民進黨政府執政八年食安問題總檢討 |
| 00:06:53,600 | 00:06:54,880 | 然後 |
| 00:06:54,880 | 00:06:56,200 | 那時候你說 |
| 00:06:56,200 | 00:06:58,440 | 這個系統性食安事件 |
| 00:06:58,440 | 00:07:01,880 | 在民進黨上任之後就沒有了 |
| 00:07:01,880 | 00:07:04,040 | 然後所以蘇潘宏這些事件 |
| 00:07:04,040 | 00:07:05,320 | 你認為都是個案 |
| 00:07:05,320 | 00:07:06,120 | 都是個案 |
| 00:07:06,120 | 00:07:09,040 | 那是廠商進口的時候他有進來 |
| 00:07:09,040 | 00:07:09,840 | 好 |
| 00:07:09,840 | 00:07:10,400 | 沒關係 |
| 00:07:10,400 | 00:07:13,440 | 蘇潘宏的事件我就不跟你再繼續爭執 |
| 00:07:13,440 | 00:07:14,640 | 我想請問一下 |
| 00:07:14,640 | 00:07:18,120 | 這一次中聯自癌遊的食安事件 |
| 00:07:18,120 | 00:07:21,039 | 到底是個案問題還是系統性的問題 |
| 00:07:21,039 | 00:07:22,200 | 他是廠商 |
| 00:07:22,200 | 00:07:24,960 | 這一個隱密不報 |
| 00:07:24,960 | 00:07:28,120 | 那造成的所有的產品受到影響 |
| 00:07:28,120 | 00:07:30,479 | 所以確實是有大規模的 |
| 00:07:30,479 | 00:07:33,039 | 這一系列的產品需要下架 |
| 00:07:33,039 | 00:07:33,799 | 好 |
| 00:07:33,799 | 00:07:36,280 | 我來跟院長說 |
| 00:07:36,320 | 00:07:41,000 | 中聯遊品案上下游超過1300家的 |
| 00:07:41,000 | 00:07:42,080 | 業者受影響 |
| 00:07:42,080 | 00:07:45,799 | 涵蓋食品廠餐廳飯店團散各業別 |
| 00:07:45,799 | 00:07:48,880 | 審計部也早在2024年7月 |
| 00:07:48,880 | 00:07:50,840 | 所公佈的審核報告 |
| 00:07:50,840 | 00:07:54,200 | 就已經警示我們中央政府 |
| 00:07:54,200 | 00:07:56,760 | 這個自主通報未能落實 |
| 00:07:56,760 | 00:07:59,080 | 追蹤的覆蓋率偏低 |
| 00:07:59,080 | 00:08:02,520 | 然後政府的相關作為缺乏 |
| 00:08:02,560 | 00:08:06,440 | 可能會導致所謂的食安的風暴 |
| 00:08:06,440 | 00:08:08,120 | 但是這兩年過去 |
| 00:08:08,120 | 00:08:09,280 | 結果呢 |
| 00:08:09,280 | 00:08:12,320 | 中聯遊品案還是發生 |
| 00:08:12,320 | 00:08:16,120 | 那當時我記得我跟院長爭論 |
| 00:08:16,120 | 00:08:19,120 | 所以院長那時候其實把系統性食安的 |
| 00:08:19,120 | 00:08:20,400 | 定義我念給你聽 |
| 00:08:20,400 | 00:08:24,640 | 說是食品鏈的上游到下游都受到嚴重影響 |
| 00:08:24,640 | 00:08:28,240 | 而且發生於相同業別的多家業者 |
| 00:08:28,240 | 00:08:30,799 | 按照當時院長您的定義 |
| 00:08:30,799 | 00:08:31,599 | 我也必須說 |
| 00:08:31,600 | 00:08:33,600 | 其實院長可以明白的告訴大家 |
| 00:08:33,600 | 00:08:34,880 | 蘇貝安宏的事件 |
| 00:08:34,880 | 00:08:36,000 | 我們先放著 |
| 00:08:36,000 | 00:08:37,240 | 我認為是系統性 |
| 00:08:37,240 | 00:08:39,040 | 但那時候你不認為是 |
| 00:08:39,040 | 00:08:41,520 | 但是中聯自來遊品 |
| 00:08:41,520 | 00:08:45,120 | 就百分之百就是一個系統性的食安問題 |
| 00:08:45,120 | 00:08:48,120 | 你只有把問題的嚴重性點出來 |
| 00:08:48,120 | 00:08:50,600 | 我們才能夠從中找出問題 |
| 00:08:50,600 | 00:08:51,640 | 來去解決問題 |
| 00:08:51,640 | 00:08:53,760 | 不知道院長認不認同這一段 |
| 00:08:53,760 | 00:08:55,120 | 我的這個說法 |
| 00:08:55,120 | 00:08:57,480 | 所以實際上這一件事情 |
| 00:08:57,480 | 00:09:00,080 | 我剛才在答覆的其他委員的 |
| 00:09:00,120 | 00:09:01,800 | 所以強調食安的問題 |
| 00:09:01,800 | 00:09:03,520 | 本來就是中央跟地方 |
| 00:09:03,520 | 00:09:04,840 | 還有這個廠商 |
| 00:09:04,840 | 00:09:06,080 | 都是要負起責任來 |
| 00:09:06,080 | 00:09:07,600 | 三方面負起責任來 |
| 00:09:07,600 | 00:09:09,680 | 那像源頭的管制 |
| 00:09:09,680 | 00:09:11,360 | 或者製造的管理 |
| 00:09:11,360 | 00:09:15,160 | 以及這個稽查的頻率 |
| 00:09:15,160 | 00:09:18,600 | 然後予以這個刻意重責 |
| 00:09:18,600 | 00:09:20,720 | 等等都是在食安五法裡面 |
| 00:09:20,720 | 00:09:24,160 | 那我覺得這一次的食油的問題 |
| 00:09:24,160 | 00:09:26,880 | 確確實實讓我們看得到 |
| 00:09:26,880 | 00:09:29,560 | 有一些法規是需要來修改 |
| 00:09:29,560 | 00:09:32,119 | 修改以後才能夠使得 |
| 00:09:32,119 | 00:09:35,439 | 這樣的事件能夠不會再發生 |
| 00:09:35,439 | 00:09:37,359 | 不管是蘇丹紅事件 |
| 00:09:37,359 | 00:09:38,239 | 分普尼蛋 |
| 00:09:38,239 | 00:09:39,760 | 到這一次的 |
| 00:09:39,760 | 00:09:42,199 | 所謂的中聯油的毒品油 |
| 00:09:42,199 | 00:09:45,160 | 一級至來我現在人民天天吃下毒 |
| 00:09:45,160 | 00:09:47,920 | 那作為前行政官員 |
| 00:09:47,920 | 00:09:49,479 | 有機會我也希望院長 |
| 00:09:49,479 | 00:09:53,199 | 來跟我們現在的行政首長 |
| 00:09:53,199 | 00:09:55,280 | 來奉勸一句 |
| 00:09:55,280 | 00:09:57,199 | 人民現在真的很不安 |
| 00:09:57,199 | 00:09:58,280 | 很不安 |
| 00:09:58,280 | 00:10:01,480 | 透明透明再透明是重中之重 |
| 00:10:01,480 | 00:10:02,880 | 我也必須講 |
| 00:10:02,880 | 00:10:06,360 | 當然業者的隱匿跟自主通報未落實 |
| 00:10:06,360 | 00:10:08,079 | 這個是原因之一 |
| 00:10:08,079 | 00:10:11,120 | 可是即便資訊揭露之後 |
| 00:10:11,120 | 00:10:12,160 | 你會發現 |
| 00:10:12,160 | 00:10:13,640 | 我們的中央政府 |
| 00:10:13,640 | 00:10:16,199 | 很多地方處理也是拖拖拉拉 |
| 00:10:16,199 | 00:10:18,720 | 一開始不下架第二層產品 |
| 00:10:18,720 | 00:10:21,319 | 又不公佈下游名單 |
| 00:10:21,319 | 00:10:23,120 | 也不處理含癌油的 |
| 00:10:23,120 | 00:10:24,839 | 20%以下的產品 |
| 00:10:24,839 | 00:10:27,600 | 這些都是過去切香嘗試的做法 |
| 00:10:27,640 | 00:10:30,240 | 直到人民的壓力開始增加了 |
| 00:10:30,240 | 00:10:31,000 | 就發現說 |
| 00:10:31,000 | 00:10:33,760 | 那現在就是下架第二層產品 |
| 00:10:33,760 | 00:10:35,160 | 然後公佈下游名單 |
| 00:10:35,160 | 00:10:38,040 | 然後20%以下的含癌油 |
| 00:10:38,040 | 00:10:39,200 | 也一樣要處理 |
| 00:10:39,200 | 00:10:40,520 | 所以這些都不是一個 |
| 00:10:40,520 | 00:10:42,840 | 民愧政府該做的事情 |
| 00:10:42,840 | 00:10:44,680 | 那今天我也要講 |
| 00:10:44,680 | 00:10:47,080 | 台灣人民的憤怒是很清楚的 |
| 00:10:47,080 | 00:10:48,640 | 那我當然還是要肯定 |
| 00:10:48,640 | 00:10:52,240 | 我們的竹中泰院長跟賴清德總統 |
| 00:10:52,240 | 00:10:56,200 | 我們這個人民決定7月25號上街頭 |
| 00:10:56,240 | 00:10:59,600 | 然後對食安表達重大的怒吼跟抗議之後 |
| 00:10:59,600 | 00:11:02,640 | 終於今天我們行政院長 |
| 00:11:02,640 | 00:11:05,240 | 終於願意驅尊救駕 |
| 00:11:05,240 | 00:11:06,680 | 來說召開記者會 |
| 00:11:06,680 | 00:11:09,720 | 告訴大家他要來推修法工作 |
| 00:11:09,720 | 00:11:12,640 | 可是抱歉修法當然重要 |
| 00:11:12,640 | 00:11:14,600 | 但是法律放在那裡 |
| 00:11:14,600 | 00:11:17,920 | 就像審計部告訴你法律放在那裡 |
| 00:11:17,920 | 00:11:20,880 | 可是行政機關沒有認真執行 |
| 00:11:20,880 | 00:11:22,880 | 的這個所謂的能力問題 |
| 00:11:22,880 | 00:11:23,920 | 在前面的時候 |
| 00:11:23,920 | 00:11:25,560 | 說真的再完備的法律 |
| 00:11:25,599 | 00:11:27,079 | 也是人來執行 |
| 00:11:27,079 | 00:11:29,800 | 所以在這邊我還是希望行政官員 |
| 00:11:29,800 | 00:11:32,280 | 民進黨立委都要求要就責行政部門 |
| 00:11:32,280 | 00:11:35,640 | 在這次的拖拖拉拉跟慢半拍 |
| 00:11:35,640 | 00:11:38,520 | 行政部門你可以不理在野黨 |
| 00:11:38,520 | 00:11:41,079 | 但是連你執政黨立委都這樣講的時候 |
| 00:11:41,079 | 00:11:42,599 | 你真的要好好聽聽 |
| 00:11:42,599 | 00:11:43,880 | 那是全民的聲音 |
| 00:11:43,880 | 00:11:46,319 | 那這一點也希望我們院長 |
| 00:11:46,319 | 00:11:48,079 | 也能夠把它放在心上 |
| 00:11:48,079 | 00:11:49,599 | 以上謝謝您 |
| 00:11:49,599 | 00:11:52,280 | 好謝謝羅志強委員的質詢 |
| 00:11:52,280 | 00:11:53,280 | 請院長回座 |