| IVOD_ID |
17053 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/17053 |
| 日期 |
2025-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-11-20T08:36:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-11-20T12:05:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:28:42 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3ea56bfc183e580b28d4d5c837147ce0a1285db5c09cad80ab7a0ec73dc7b5464c55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：邀請海洋委員會主任委員率同所屬列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:36:18 - 12:05:00 |
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加署名報告出席人數報告委員會出席委員10人已足法定人數現在開會我們來進行進行報告屬行家先讀上次會議 |
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議事錄立法院第十一屆第四會期內政委員會第十四全體委員會議事錄時間一百十四年十一月十二日星期三上午九十五分至下午十二十一分一百十四年十一月十三日星期四上午九十四分至十一時五十三分地點紅樓二零二會議室出席委員 |
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張宏祿委員等14人 列席委員賴世寶委員等23人列席官員11月12日 大陸委員會主任委員邱垂正暨相關人員 財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長吳豐山暨相關人員11月13日 內政部常務次長吳太安暨相關人員財政部國庫署副署長林秀燕 數位發展部數位政府司司長王承明暨相關人員金融監督管理委員會銀行局副局長王允忠中華郵政股份有限公司副總經理陳棟良主席黃昭吉委員建斌 |
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十一月十二日報告事項 一 宣讀上次會議之路決定確定 二 邀請大陸委員會主任委員及財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長列席報告業務該況並被質詢大陸委員會主任委員邱垂政及財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長吳豐山及相關人員報告委員張宏祿等十七人質詢 由大陸委員會主任委員邱垂政及財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長吳豐山及相關人員答覆說明 |
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決定一登記發言委員逐步在場 則外其餘均與發言完畢詢答協書二委員 丁薛忠 黃潔 林楚英王 洪威及高金 宿美等五人所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報三書面質詢及未及答覆部分請相關機關與一周內另以書面答覆並複製本會 |
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11月13日報告事項邀請內政部財政部數位發展部金融監督管理委員會交通部就普發現金1萬元之跨部會防詐其查緝作為進行專題報告並備質詢內政部常務次長吳唐安報告委員李博義等19人質詢分別由內政部常務次長吳唐安及相關人員數位發展部數位政府司司長王承明及相關人員中華郵政股份有限公司副總經理陳棟良金融監督管理委員會銀行局副局長王允忠財政部國庫署副署長林秀燕答覆說明 |
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請問各位委員 今天會議議事錄有什麼錯誤的或是遺漏的嗎沒有請議事錄確定 |
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繼續經營分裂議程報告的署行者先讀邀請海洋委員會主任委員率同所屬列席報告業務概況並備質詢 宣讀完畢現在我們來介紹在庭的委員和列席的官員第一位委員張志倫委員 |
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南海洋委員會管組委綜合規劃處郭處長海域安全處洪處長科技文教處林處長國際發展處李處長海洋資源處吳處長 |
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秘書是江主任資訊是邱主任人事處黃處長主計處黃處長政風處蔡副處長海洋保育署李副署長 |
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另外一位師傅署長國家海洋研究院張副院長海巡署北部分署廖分署長中部分署王分署長 |
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南部分署 鳳分署長東部分署 蔡分署長金馬盆分署長 陳分署長東南沙分署 張分署長建隊分署 黃分署長 |
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曾煌昆署黃昆署長教育訓練測考中心方主任我們海洋委員會張務副主任委員江海巡署張署長 |
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我們現在來補充剛才禮拜的委員第一位蘇巧慧委員再來黃潔委員現在就來我們這海洋委員會管組委報告的業務 |
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各位委員 各位先生 各位媒體的朋友 大家好今天非常榮幸來台北報告 委員回來報告 主管也不提出報告並比之前非常榮幸 希望委員能夠致告 |
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為應對不斷變動的行業局勢、文化以及相關的部份共同的努力之下就國家行業政策白皮書進行編輯以順著相關國際的三安事態施政的主軸對國土的安全、海域的啟發以及科技的轉型和環境的保護文化的教育一直到國際的連結這部分都進行多方面的報告 |
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來鼓勵保育白皮書裡面的安全 應屬以及就共贏這樣現代很有潤性的體力的體系感謝各位委員的指導及支持以下我就請本會緊急重要的委員會推動及未來施政的重點來質疑 來提出來報告 |
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第一是有關捍衛我們的海域環境和我們國家安全的部分為了維護海域的環境今年我們水埠專屬的經濟海域總共有782個行處東山有97個行處南山有10個行處公海水埠有3個行處咱們距離外界的路線總共有773個手處 |
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1915.195 |
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考慮有17宗 法患有612萬 夢境有13宗因為今年我們沒有落選外界的賭卒就是把我們投入賭卒的這種情緒所以今年這是零 |
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1938.426 |
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為了影響中國在海峽的累積、離空與瓦礙的延年我們當晚有17.3天、86天我們很溫暖來接觸到我們自己的海洋、修復自由的方向所以東部、共同港的時候,我們就都有抓到 |
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1952.052 |
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1973.089 |
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在滾燕時修補票的途徑每次滾燕時都有修補票的途徑所以我們全臺以赴修復國安另外我們在海濫的部分大家都很關心修飾的風險埠裡面我們有一個監控的系統跟巡邏的重點其中看依依依依依依依依依依依依依依依 |
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1979.754 |
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1988.22 |
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那陣子也已經拍賣了我們絕對沒有用我們說用以外的名義在破壞我們的國安這是第一點第二點是它在海洋的地質的部分我們有強化整備的量能 |
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1995.685 |
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2006.574 |
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我們農莊抓到國際的毒品抓到現在 今年還沒到年底 還要再增加今年還沒到年底 我們已經超過過去幾年我們已經抓到毒品13,630.3公斤青雞是52雞 蛋要是7、89粒 |
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2016.522 |
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2018.843 |
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匯發出入口的案件都有62人農事業的特產品都有42766公斤租金是396万9千4百塊一包基礎對1百塊前年開始我們要維度非洲的資源 |
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2051.536 |
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運營依賴我們海巡在邊境管理面我們立即處理都在海漂的北市都在179案例還有委員報告就是說我們寫好這個報告之後在早上還增加一個案例所以都在180個案例我們在修這個邊境我們是修得很徹底的 |
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2061.199 |
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2075.213 |
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所以這方面請委員提告第三就是攸關加強海域安全確保我們提供在海上的油氣平安的部分我們用公司兩個名列和政府的兩共同在優化海域的油氣安全的時候 |
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我們當中有13個熱點,就是13個海洋油氣的熱點我們有設立救生衣,就是救生衣的救養站,可以免費去救生衣我們也有修訂海洋油氣活動的整個跟管理的基因在這個管理基因裡面,我們要求這個衛生安全應該要有的SOP |
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還有提供一個叫做GoOcean App 跟委員報告這個GoOcean App 很好用的啦我們是很希望說可以選擇給他來 更多人來用因為我們如果是要去海岸玩你去遊泳也好 你要去衝浪也好或是你要去滑獨木舟也好 |
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我們都有鑑識這個鑑識都會跟你說你這個時候可以去或不要去這個時候的海洋是多嚴重在這個海洋之下可能要專家才可以去你如果不是專家你就不要去所以這個救護船的APP是真的很好學我們的國海院 |
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開放這個料 跟各位報告就是說我們的路透 路透社還有改 還有改應用 還有改直播所以這個東西很好用的我們一定要有國家用戶來推廣要去海邊 去投 要去海上 外地的人都可以來使用這一點特別要向大家報告 |
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另外我們今年執行的救生救人 總共278人我們總共救544人 剛才當然媒體很關心就是說中國人剛剛在給我們滾燕 剛剛在給我們戰備警訊為什麼我們還要去救他們 沒錯前幾天就是說 中國人在給我們戰備警訊的時候有一代中國人 他在我們的海洋外也不是在我們的海洋內 |
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在我們的海洋上去燃燒船這個燃燒船燃燒得很嚴重雖然說海洋不好但是我們的船馬上出去馬上出去我們如果不去泡沫他們人就沒辦法救了所以我們直接去泡沫讓他們人可以救回來 |
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當然有人說 中國對我們人生要求我在這裡也要拜託委員 拜託所有鄉親支持我們 人都 全人都中國在對付我們 我們是氣到要死 恨得癢癢的 都很傷心的很希望你做國際社會一個文明的國家 你不能違反黑人的共犯在對付我們 我們很痛苦 也很傷心 很憤怒 |
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但是他們的背景是在海上受到這件事所以你去救的事情發生的時候為了人道你說叫我不要去救我也做不了所以希望說大家可以接納我們的價值觀我們在海上 |
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就像醫生在救人 他也不分你什麼東排所以這個方面 我希望大家可以支持我們這方面我們基地都算救到現在是544人這次就是污染 污染部分我們也很注重所以國內的準 都算有475台 我們有去檢查 |
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剛靠溫差不多有2千137百有的硬幣183元有的風太陽來有的硬幣很嚴重如果平常有時候要準備去購錢有的東西都會去硬幣今年有183件預祝期輪大家只要關心壓力現在也已經蓋過了 |
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我們有一個準備就是以後的部分我們現在比較久但是如果是化學品會怎麼樣化學品如果複雜化學品如果汙染化學品很複雜每一種化學品它會如何汙染會如何傷害人都不一樣 |
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這我們都派人 當年我們派人去法國 派人去新加坡 派人去日本 都派去訓練這派不是只有派我們自己的人 中央地方政府 民間跟企業界 都做團這三個國家我們都去合作 現在就有成立這個化學災害國家隊這個部份也是我們今年的成就 |
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我們在檢測海水的水質海水的水質很重要有時候它也會傷害我們的身體明天有時候會昏眩 硬硬的我們都做檢測是125個地方海水的水質我們都 還有人為之跟大家報告就是說我們的檢測出來還有人為之是都合法都符合我們的標準這樣第二個在海水的地理部分我們完成10個地方 |
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海洋廢棄物的密度調查還有30億的河川出口也有進行檢測 |
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我們稻埸港這條事件全部的艦隊有6,507台前海戰將有5,841人近海前哨戰有45艘程度的海域是2,675公噸內陣都有71個企業加入海肺再生聯盟就是把海膩 |
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撈上來的這個海洋廢棄物我們把它再生再利用這個再利用甚至這個紅機電腦的鍵盤也有用到這個海廢所以這個部分我們都有在推動我們也在推動一個友善海洋標章的認證制度現在如火如荼在推動希望能夠讓大家來開發 |
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海洋廢棄物再利用或者是不要傷害海洋對海洋友善的產品那我們有這個認證的制度第二就是生態保護生態保護今年我們救援這個擱淺的基因群總共是97隻海骨有263隻深澤出入案你這個輸出入有時候保養的東西不能輸出入你輸出入我們就要給你抓 |
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都處理了一百四十四個案子這個疾管海鮮大家都很關心我們在培養的疾管海鮮和冬沙冬沙和培養今年疾管海鮮都四萬多隻這會吃酸藕酸藕會吃死了所以這不可以所以疾管海鮮我也很認真處理 |
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其他的部分有很多 比如說酸藥 第一第五項的部分 酸藥我們很注重的所以酸藥的保育 骸骨的保育 精吞的觀察我們都做很多 這才給委員參考另外就是在地的骸硬的活化 第一這個部分特別報告就是我們今年有一個新的政策 |
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但是要讓我們兩千三百萬人不管你是否自己有能力來接近疫苗如果你自己比較不方便接近疫苗有的可能是腋下比較大有的可能就是有慢性疾病、坐輪椅的症狀你如果沒辦法接近疫苗的時候我們有一個肺炎病患、肺炎病犬 |
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親海無礙的政策 現在推動得不錯已經有四個政府 基隆 福林 台東 和高雄有四個政府 我們都已經補助了兩年來辦了很多活動 現在也制度已經起來了像高雄的密度 南寮的漁港現在也已經做好無障礙的通道 |
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讓我們身障者跟行動不便的人已經有辦法在我們輔助的幫忙之下已經可以去害的地方這是我們第一點在台北提出來跟大家報告另外就是我們今年在海淫的發生的部分還有藍炭、藍銅的淨零的部分我們也做很多 |
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今年海洋保護法60項的諸法都已經完成現在就要開始準備來實施海洋科技應援中心設置的條例也很感謝大家支持已經三頭通過了我們現在也如火如荼地在投幣 |
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那憨永的政策白皮書我們可以發表都算有提出未來我們的憨永的政策有66項的策略250項的措施這都已經夠國保法要引用國保法你引用回來了你一定要做 行政會自己管這是我們今年以來可以說 |
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在發財的發展的部分是很重要的一年也可以說是風修的一年請委員來指導其他就是為了這段時間有關科技的研究有關漢語的教育漢語的受用有關漢語的文化以及國際的交流請委員參考給我們指導總是委員也很關心在做的 |
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因為我們都很關心海巡的動員 他們的福利 他們的執法的環境 執業的環境在這部分最好跟大家報告的是 我們也是很認真所以我們今年有去調查雷超手的勤務價格 |
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也增加青年危老的增長委員會也很關心有辦專案的報告我們已經有完成當然在很辛苦的部分也已經有給他們加給剛才大家也很關心我們的編制編制有增加77人 |
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用人的貪生有盡加 這些都是照顧海巡的下地 寺門很重要的地方另外就是未來的事情當然很重要 有幾項第一 汗油保有發過 現在省財委員會在做 |
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做起來之後 這是一件很重要的事這一定要好好做好 未來這幾年很重要另外就是法人已經在投幣 今年要成立這也是很吃重 很抽筒的事情當然我們很有情情的白皮書 已經寫出來每年都要有每年的成績 |
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這是未來三項最大的挑戰在這裡也向委員報告非常感謝最近這幾年來可以說我們內政委員會對韓友委員會有積極 |
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但是在這次有很多的包容有很多的指導也感謝我們這次兩位教委還有所有的委員對我們的指導和感動讓我們有很多的包容在這裡請大家辛苦的感謝謝謝大家謝謝我們感謝管主委的進步報告我們現在來進行這項委員這項前 |
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人類做幾點宣告每一個委員發言的時間分為委員5分鐘必要的時間延長2分鐘分為委員5分鐘可以10點30分 |
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請管主委還有張署長請管主委張署長 |
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主委好我們新北市有126公里的海岸線28座漁港有非常非常豐富的海洋資源這麼豐富的狀況下我們對於產業 觀光 教育這種種跟海洋資源有關的事物我們都覺得應該要好好的運用 |
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可是在這個運用的過程當中還有保護的過程當中就對於使用海洋的人和設備彼此怎麼互動其實我覺得並沒有真的完全有明確的規範我舉個例子來講現在網路上面大家也常常在流行講這個例子 |
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你去浮潛你去浮潛可能會碰到很多事情來 主委如果你去浮潛的時候遇到海龜誰會先退浮潛的人遇到了海龜人和海龜誰會先退我們會要求人一定要先退而且絕對不能觸摸絕對不能觸摸所以理論上一碰就罰30萬所以理論上現在浮潛的人因為 |
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理論上現在浮潛的人去遇到海龜人一定會先退因為現在人都知道要是我碰到海龜不管是海龜碰到我還是我碰到他只要碰到就30萬所以這就是捷寶法很清楚的規定了之後人會做出決定好 那主委我想問那如果浮潛的人遇到船 |
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誰會先退跟委員報告非常感謝委員關心誰會先退主委妳要先回答我妳覺得誰會先退在什麼狀況下會退最困難的是妳有沒有那個時間去迴避的問題那就表示他很靠近囉那我為什麼不能規定他到一定的距離的時候船其實應該要先退或者人如果有辦法那麼遠看到船人也應該先退不一定來得及看得到 |
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所以跟委員報告那人要不要有一個標誌委員很關心也都找我們去開會那跟委員報告一個好消息我們現在呢已經決定了第一個除了我們有指引以外我們現在也決定了每一年我們會至少有三個月在那個海域的遊戲活動的熱計的這三個月呢 |
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我們會出錢然後呢會補助民間的團體譬如說漁會他們替我們介護 勸導所以等於是和漁會一起合作來守護 來運用整體海洋的資源把漁會一起納入這個範疇之中是 我也很關心我們也都有照著做那目前有這樣的一個制度有被建立起來 |
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那我們海事處處長也都開過很多的會本來我們就說我們還會跳出來趕快協調整合但是觀光署說我們先來整合看看但是最後還是我們還會有出來整合大家以後有了這樣的一個決定那前我們出 |
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雖然我們不是目的事業主管機關但是錢我們出沒關係那我們就補助以後讓民力一起就在這個周邊的海域等於是戒護安全勸導來避免就是讓漁會也不只是它自己的漁產業之外它變成是它也成為觀光的一部分 |
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所以漁業和觀光就不會比較不會有那麼大的衝突你的設計出發點是這樣嘛好沒關係主委我很高興聽到你至少有想辦法要解決這個問題不過這樣看起來其實你看這就是我今天要質詢的部分嘛我們是遇到一個單一的個案以後我們就想出一套解決的方式甚至又設立了新的行政命令這樣的規則好 |
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我們現在對海洋的運用我剛剛在說的所有運用海洋資源的人和設備其實因為沒有一個統籌規範的方式所以每次都是發生案件我們就去處理發生案件就訂一個行政規則目前的狀態就是這樣所以在櫃會海委會自己這邊出的海洋白皮書裡面其實你們也有提到啊我國海上交通安全法制 |
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有待完善也就是說路上大家都很習慣我們要有交通安全規則那海上呢是不是也應該要有呢你看我們陸地和海洋的法規體系從基本法 設備管理 耗資管理行業管理 執法依據通通都一樣都有法可是在行為管理的部分陸地很清楚海洋是沒有的嘛 |
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那這個會衍生什麼呢除了剛剛是我們在使用的人這是正常使用的人彼此有衝突的時候怎麼來處理之外其實我就請海巡署來說海巡署這個我們其實大家在講這個中國的這個灰色衝突的部分那其實我們剛剛主委報告的時候也特別講到了鴻泰58號鴻泰58號在被發現是惡意割斷電纜之前其實他的行為是什麼狀態 |
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它一定是圍牆滯留嘛那我想請問現在我國的法規裡面對於我發現它的圍牆滯留是有罰則的嗎如果有嗎 蘇貞有嗎我們現在草案送在大院就是海覽七法海覽七法就有非常有效而強力管制的措施如果我們認為你在海上是一個不當的令人感覺到對於航岸也好 |
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或者是在這個海域的安全的部分有威脅性那我們就可以要求你要移動到特定的地方或者我們就希望你離開這就是我們要涉海濫七法吧如果不聽我們就有罰則 |
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所以這一樣 又再次對不起 主委我知道我們每一個問題我們都非常認真的在解決其實我剛剛的PPT我們不然跳第一頁好了其實第一頁我對於海委會守護海洋不遺餘力我覺得你們做了非常多事情而且做了很努力只是因為質詢的時間有就這麼短所以我一定要直接進入我的問題我今天的問題是你看我們的問題有這麼多那每一個問題出來我們都做了一個處置 |
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甚至是設立了法律也好行政命令也好做法規的處理但對於通則的部分其實並沒有達到這樣的狀態啊比如說剛剛我們是因為有發生了像紅太七號 紅太五十八號這樣子的問題所以我們來做海底七法的建制好 可是那我如果問如果是觀光的香蕉船 |
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香蕉船如果是在海上蛇行那他跟浮潛的人那這樣怎麼辦我們昨天也才剛開完一個由政委協調整合的會議那事實上波特船或者是無極的小船他們的問題海委會是多年前就一次又一次的開會然後我們甚至我們有委員會嘛海委會有委員會就像陸委會有委員會嘛 |
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那我们会找跨部会一起来开会那我就任以后的两次的委员会都有非常非常具体的裁示那跟着这个裁示下去做的时候呢交通部的航管部门也已经都已经有草案出来但是在这一次海揽七法里面因为我们主要是 |
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专属是在处理海揽的问题所以这部分还没有进来可是下一波的船舶法的修法会进来那我们昨天也才开了一个跨部会的一个政委所主持的协调会议那我相信政委出来了比我管碧玲出来还要有力量了所以我希望进度会快一点 |
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主委在這裡就是讓您回答包括您對我現在在講的一個通則海上交通安全通則的部分從白皮書從您現在備詢的態度其實都是海巡署海委會都是表示支持而且盡力在做那我也希望能夠跨部會的協調把海上的這一步行為規範可以讓它建制完成其實對海巡的弟兄我覺得執法也會容易許多對台灣的海洋資源運用也會安全許多 |
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這是我今天這樣所以期待如果您可以的話是不是把這個相關的這個期程就是相關的草案也好還有這個建制期程麻煩送一份資料到辦公室專法的部分我們是主張立專法就是海上交通安全法但是呢主管部會認為說目前分散在不同的法律這個法效也夠那我們就尊重他們那就把這種分權式的立法也把它做到最好那我們就加強執法 |
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好那最主要是草案送到大院來希望大院能夠支持好謝謝主委謝謝謝謝我們感謝蘇僑輝委員質詢我們請張志倫委員質詢好謝謝主席各位委員各位官員大家早安有請管碧玲管主委請主委 |
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主委早好主委今天我們有看到今天是我們這個海委會的專業務報告那我們有看到第39頁有提到這個海委會有爭取這個幫基層調整福利待遇這點本席非常肯定但是今天本席也要請教你有關於這個我們海巡人員的人力缺口越來越擴大的這樣的情形來跟你就請教根據立法院的預算中心的報告就主委你可以看一下我們這張 |
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給你這樣圖表其實這個海巡署這個工作越來越繁雜所以中央也是很支持我們大家在這個努力做事所以人力每年有多增編大概是100 200接近到300多的人然後我們有給一個5年的計畫希望說海巡的人員可以越來越多可是我們看到 |
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現在我們的從108年到114年的時候其實我們的預算緣額應該要增加1000多個人可是現在不僅沒有增加還一路下滑缺額非常的多從108年缺79個到現在已經缺了1391個人那這讓本席覺得納悶的點就是說現在114年的實際緣額是11504人比108年我們預算要給 |
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你們的員額11726人還少所以意思就是說這五年的計畫不僅失敗而且還倒退那我想要請教主委就是說我們人民給了人民跟國家給了政府給了你們海委會預算也給了職缺可是為什麼人還是補不起是不是我們內部的一些管理文化還是執勤壓力還是流財機制出了大問題 |
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那是不是請主委解釋一下好 謝謝委員委員長期關心這個題目叮嚀我很多次是那到委員的辦公室也都這樣頭卡卡的頂著是感謝委員了 給委員報告就是說這個統計數字表面看起來會讓委員有這個印象好像我們越來越嚴重但是事實上這個數字是隨著我們源而不斷的擴編然後來的一個動態不是 主委我剛好特別跟你報告所以今年是最好的狀況 |
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今年最好 今年的元額比108年的預算還少我們今年是限職人員最多的一年最多是多少我們限職元額是一萬一千五百零四比去年還少 比去年少了一百五十二個人 |
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跟委员报告我们的预算原额不是我说实际原额是每年都在增加我说实际原额实际原额是有在减少当中我们的数字是11948对这个数字比较精确是11948不是1150几好那 |
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到年底我們的缺額會降到792人然後國防部因為會給我們400個義務役現在因為有義務役了它每一年會給我們400個義務役那它是逐步的撥補 |
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所以撥補到位主委就是時間的關係所以要拜託你趕快把人補給還有委員剛剛講的那幾個要項我們都會努力去做因為這邊本席有接到從我們基層海巡的人員的一個請託他說我們海巡暗巡隊友的換裝俗稱2.5代的克拉克手槍他認為這個槍林超過20年了不知道是不是從別的單位所替換 |
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我轉述他的話還是新採購的如果是新採購他認為水很深那這個我們基層的人員他們的一個心聲所以我要想請教的就是說其實我們後來不問不知道一問才嚇一跳才知道說我們基層人員很多的時候他們所使用現場的一個手槍的部分很多是這個槍頂已經超過36年甚至超過40年的非常嚴重那當然我想要請主委這邊 |
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趕快來協助就是說你們現在的處理方式是什麼就是海巡很多相關的執勤人員來跟我反映說他們手上拿的這個手槍這個槍鈴超過40年 |
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謝謝委員支持我們有錢了任性預算那你如何去更換全面太舊換新其實我有收到你們給我的資料我請署長來說明細節好不好拜託簡單回覆主席還有委員好那我們在115到1146我們變了1.8億那我們這次換的是把所有的手槍跟步槍所有的手槍是如何來更換全部汰換我沒有全部汰換喔我收到的資料沒有全部汰換我們是分兩年啦 |
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因為我們這一個槍子是國造的所以組長我跟您請教我們問的是說那你們現在到底是三四十年的手槍會汰換還是全部的手槍全部汰換全部手槍都汰換連二十年以上都汰換嗎全部汰換好確定因為我這邊收到的資料是說你們大概是汰換四千多支的槍支可是只針對使用期限逾三十六年以上的才來汰換所以我想這是基層人員 |
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他不能接受的一個部分因為我拿到你們的資料因為當時你們接受的這批手槍是從國安局來的那這批手槍已經20幾年了所以他才會認為基層的執行人員才會認為說為什麼換的手槍還是20幾年以上的結果你們現在要換的是超過36年以上的才有汰換不是全數汰換所以這邊你們其實署長你們還是要好好去檢討到底是否全數汰換好嗎 |
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跟委員報告我們是全部汰換但是要分兩年交啦就中間會有一年是重疊新舊會有重疊所以全部汰換好那會後再把資料給我因為我收到資料只有汰換36年以上的手槍那20幾年的手槍到底有沒有汰換如果我不在這次質詢的時候請教吳表這些手槍還要再等多久才能汰換所以拜託署長這邊幫忙好不好好那最後一個問題我要想要請教說說 |
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這也是預算中心來請教的就是現在我們海委會海巡這邊使用了大量的採購了大量的無人機可是從過去從112年以來其實無人機的執行的這個執行率的效果非常的差我們從112年編了5000萬113年編了1億200萬114年編了1億5000萬可是執行率都只有不到10% |
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那我知道最近的特別預算我們還編了40億來採購無人機等等的這些做法那我想要請教編了這麼多的預算 |
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而且之前我也問過主委我們最貴的一台建載機還高達9000多萬那請問你們這麼多龐大的預算從過去以來一直都執行不利那請教主委你們有沒有一個方法把從112年的預算沒有執行好的未來要如何來去做跟委員報告就是說我們已經準備要上網 |
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海巡是整個政府機關最早用無人機所以他採購無人機然後使用的經驗是在最前端因此有一些嘗試錯誤的部分 |
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但是第二波的这一波的采购我们呢就野心比较大所以我们要求客制化那来标的国内的业者呢我们也希望国产化嘛他就说好我做得到结果最后那个客制化的的要求超过他的能力是出了这个问题 |
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因為已經三年都沒有辦法達成那現在我們又重新上網那我們希望這一次因為到現在的時候我們國內其實都已經蠻成熟了已經有比較成熟的這個能力跟商品了所以我們這一次應該就可以圓滿的來完成採購好 那我最後再給主席再給我30秒時間那今年準備要使用特別預算3億多來採購無人機目前的進度到如何 |
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我們目前是第一階段在上網徵求商請了有沒有機會達成任務 3億多的預算 |
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這個部分海巡一直告訴我沒有問題好 那我本席會繼續來監督我是希望說主委我們國家投入很多預算也給了援額所以人員缺乏以及對基層人員的照顧以及第三個我們台灣無人機尤其海巡方面的無人機希望主委這邊再跟我們所有同仁一起努力謝謝 |
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謝謝 感謝張志倫委員執行我們請張鴻祿委員執行我請主委跟署長請主委跟署長署長張委員好 |
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來 主委有個問題啦我們這個海洋三法那我們現在海域管理法我們的進度不知道如何 |
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跟委員報告委員一直很關心這件事情也一直叮嚀我們那麼目前有一個進度就是說海陸分治之下那他的大綱我們大綱討論完畢那我是希望說你大綱討論完畢然後要化為文字的這個過程呢我們就先來做跨部會的整合不要等到文字出來了才去做跨部會整合 |
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所以我們大綱確定的時候已經開過會大綱目前確定方向也確定然後要來開始進行就這個大綱就是未來的大架構要來做跨部會整合因為這一部法律只要一制定涉及其他部會必須要同步連帶修訂的法律非常的多 |
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好幾十部法律都要來修訂那其中當然最重要的修訂最多的是內政部的國土計劃法當然啦也不只國土計劃法啦我覺得跨部會啊這個農業部啊什麼的這些都要啦我們要把這個海域變成一個立體的管理這個其實要耗費相當大的功夫不過 |
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為什麼會一直想說這個法律剛聽到主委有進度我覺得是好的啦不然其實現在有很多山不管地帶可能管也管不到也沒辦法處理對不對像剛剛蘇委員在質詢的你們要自己去出錢對不對 |
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這個就是變成我們一直在講要怎麼做怎麼做確實實際上是還沒有做到我覺得這個如果可以加快就加快另外現在有很多的中國的船隻他們是不是有很多他們關掉AIS系統當闖入這種情況現在是不是很多 署長 |
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一直都有我請署長來詳細說明公委報告這個情況我們是有查過過的是有的有沒有很多目前看起來這一個沒有很多沒有很多是就是至少在我們的水域裡面是沒有很多的在我們的水域裡面沒有很多啦但還是有嘛有好我們發現這個我們是採取合向措施 |
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跟委員報告那因為在我們水運那邊我們除了透過我們自己的聯合清真真手段以外那我們也透過友軍提供不明船隻的這個動態然後我們會以我們的船去做辨識那另外特別跟委員報告我們有很多的這些暗船的偵測系統那我們可以充分的掌握這些船舶的動態 |
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現在立法院也很多的立委在關注這個海嵐七法什麼的對不對那像這種關掉這個AIS的這種有一部分有可能它就是要破壞我們的海底電纜有沒有這個可能有可能有可能嘛 對啊所以我才會問你說我們發現了我們採取何種措施 |
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跟委員報告那我們如果發現類似的船舶那我們現在主要的關注船舶是根據航港局提供的東京備翁有97艘具有中資背景的這些潛移輪那只要這些潛移輪進到我們的水域我們會有一定的監控那只要是長期可疑的我們都會派船去做必要的登檢對嘛 你現在就是監控跟登檢嘛是有沒有想過一件事情我們這個海嵐七法大家這樣很認真 |
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下次他換鐵殼漁船來破壞你的海底電纜有沒有這個可能有可能跟委員報告那根據這個不管是各類船舶只要有類似狀況我們都是查組的標準都是一致的那我們現在海岸企劃裡面在船舶法裡面就有特別規範關閉AS他是有罰則的 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
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我知道這個都有發生我現在就是提醒說狀態很多大海那麼大其實你們也很辛苦我覺得身為一個主權國家還是要有一點點強力的措施我覺得如果只有跟監看到情況不對才登檢 |
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4237.951 |
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我覺得對一個主權國家我覺得好像有點不夠不知道署長你的看法跟委員報告那其實對於可疑傳播如果是違反相關規範我們是有權可以扣押然後代盤偵辦的報警檢查官代盤偵辦那有可能你也發現了一些事實才有對不對那有可能這一個 |
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嫌疑人了 有可能是嫌疑傳了是我們不能驅離 不能什麼嗎根本沒辦法 如果這個還能修法通過以後就可以處理了 |
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現在不行嗎現在沒有罰則現在沒有罰則但他關掉AIS的這一種也不能驅離嗎沒有罰則沒有罰則啦 暗能不能驅離啊可以啊 當然可以我們可以驅離 沒有問題所以我的意思是說像我發現這一種的也不用跟進 也不用什麼啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
4286.557 |
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我們是一個主權國家就把它驅離了啊各位網友其實對於可疑傳播我們會採取的第一個就是強勢的登檢如果真的很可疑我們是會登檢的那第二個部分就是我們會把它做驅離對啦 我的意思是說 |
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海巡兄弟也很辛苦啦但相對於這一種的政府要有一個強力的措施啦這個措施為什麼第一個我剛剛強調的主權國家之外你讓在我們在海上的我國的漁船我國的漁民也會有安心的作用只要你有做這些漁民都會講他們就會安心我覺得我們海巡還有一個很重要的就是讓我們的漁民安心 |
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這個是非常重要的就像在路上看到警察我就安心了對不對我在海上看到海巡的船然後有座位漁民就安心我覺得我們花了這麼多錢然後我們也要造艇什麼我們都支持這個就是要一個很重要讓漁民安心 |
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尤其是像現在這個像我們東北角捕花蟹啊捕什麼的這個大陸的漁船 中國的漁船跑來這邊漁民是很氣啊 對不對他是跟他搶啊 對不對那我們如果有你只要有一點點作為有具體的作為我跟你講漁民啊大家就會去船了啦 |
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護魚的部分我們做得很好那魚米也很依賴我們所以如果大陸的漁船進到我們的水域來我們就是一概驅離就算是你有開AIS你進來了我還是趕你走那沒有開AIS的部分如果說海蘭七法進來以後有罰則我相信那個嚇阻性會出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
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我知道你們現在有驅離有做所以我才會說你們只要有做漁民就會說啦漁民自己會去傳啦然後漁民自己就會說這就是讓漁民安心有時候他們還來送我們罐頭這樣子對所以我說我也有聽到漁會你們有做什麼所以我才會說你們有做漁民就安心但我要強調的是說 |
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| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
4426.507 |
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該做的還是有的要強力一點啦不要一定要等到他到哪裡海域啦你明明知道這個灌飯了你這艘船還沒進到我們可以的我們就先把他趕走了嘛這漁民會給你更大的掌聲啦好謝謝好謝謝張宏路委員那我們再來請王美惠召委 |
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4441.451 |
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主席 我們請管主委跟署長好 請管主委 張署長 謝謝委員好主委 在你擔任這個職務的時候我常常說我們家裡有保育教育的活動在這個過程 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
4468.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
4480.064 |
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我們的審判單位都說地方的政府沒有申請因為一年去跟他們溝通看能不能申請因為自己沒有旁邊沒有海 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
4485.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
4493.706 |
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大家都有權利去了解我們海洋的國家要做什麼要維護什麼要保育什麼東西這是每一個在台灣中外民國生活的百姓都應該要讓他們知道 |
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4527.771 |
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在這個過程當中 主委 您也說自己沒有提議但是在我了解 自己 您跟他溝通了後他也認真去提議結尾主委 您知道嗎?一百十五年的規劃裡面 自己有提過的結尾案您現在在規劃裡面請回答一下 |
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4534.395 |
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跟委員報告,我們都一直跟他們說因為我看,如果有一個官司領,如果沒有提案,我們就沒辦法跟他們報告所以一直跟他們溝通,現在每年他們都提出來主委,每年提出來的時候,你可不可以讓他們給錢給他給錢給他委員報告,因為財化法的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
4562.269 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
4574.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
補助地方政府的補分每年稍微大幅就這樣刪減所以我們每年現在一定的已經給他我們農村莊園每年莊園的幾百五分之一給他了五分之一多少錢 全港喔全港的種種五分之一多少錢我如果說出來是他他拿他整案 跟你們准他整案我叫我們那裡的副主長來說明好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
4608.278 |
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因為嘉義縣 嘉義市 他們提了三案他們提了三案 三案 跟你合作整案我們准了一案 因為有非常多的縣市 跟准議案的時候准議案是對一個單位要做的 文化局 |
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| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
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文化局 是那你為什麼有兩萬兩案的時候沒有確診的有什麼問題因為這是開會當中大家的關係關係是 因為是大家官司都有來申請 |
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我知道啦 我就是拜託主委說我們多協助有時啊 審判單位或是上班的人認為說跟我們一起去又沒用 自己跟人家想真正的主觀不好所以我們這是要教育的資訊嘛跟你說 帶兩個你沒學到他不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
4659.792 |
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我現在來問你,你待兩天沒去準備啦你不知道我在說啦,因為都說要教育要做啦他有一個嘉義市實施國民中學的探索營裡面的水域計畫 |
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| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
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這是全嘉義市的國中小孩子都會去那裡他申請多少?申請六十八萬他要負擔十二萬他叫你們給他領再來另外一位嘉義市的海洋保育教育推廣計畫他也申請 |
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| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
4719.286 |
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也沒有 也沒有 給你給他一個文化教育他這裏面都是教育教育 教官報教育 你都沒有給他給你合遵他文化教育 |
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| transcript.whisperx[140].end |
4731.801 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
我們會覺得很奇怪嗎教育 我就來瞭解另外就是今年雖然補助電信會經費縮減主委 我知道補助經費影響很大 我知道但是我覺得每一個對海洋保育 |
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| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
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會教育非常重要結果我們在這時候因為我都想說我們一直跟人家說我們林委我們是那些人下手那些人那我認為教育是我的故鄉我的願望我的教育不管大人小人都對海洋的保護 |
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| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
4781.306 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].text |
是非常了解 我在想 有一項很好的叫做漢遊受用教育這漢遊受用教育是下去學校教學生一套美國發展出來的漢遊教育的內容那有發達好培養科學家我來想辦法 來找學校對學校下去 不要對政府入面因為這是對學校下去的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
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像這種的價位對學校樂器 自己來提供如果有老師願意用這套教材來教我們全家來支持主委在這裏說 老師不敢這樣做 |
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| transcript.whisperx[144].end |
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有喔 全國 全國 很多人對啦 因為自己的心都想說希望跟他們的教育 家人來合作可以做到更好我們會跟他們合作所以說 這老師跟所以說 我要說這個問題的心也希望 |
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| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
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後來我們再去選的時候有一個改變因為我覺得每一個地方都需要去考慮嘛大家現在生活都變大人過去都沒有我不會要求要有要今天有 |
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| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
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你這樣不可以讓人 我也覺得很奇怪因為教育的你沒有給他 環保的你沒有給他你登記都沒有嘛 你登記都沒有的時候第一年有 你對他那麼嚴 那就沒道理了啦因為我覺得錢不能亂花 我也知道他生意有限啦 |
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有提起的時候,如果沒有提起,我都很糊塗,好不好主委,在這裡我再跟你講一下,剛才我們有同事說到,我們的臨時案,臨時,不好意思,主席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
這個臨時委員會我們審計部說我們每一個層裡面的臨時委員都差不多沒有人都中間九成的層裡面都沒有人雖然層裡面有 |
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| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
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你如果了解看看,有大世代嘛有的世代只有六個人而已大台有三十五個那大世代當然有差那時候沒有人有危險對,因為我就是說 |
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| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
充足是一種啦但是你要有夠是一種啦我要讓你很充足的這我也真的很抱歉要再做不夠因為我們在那陣子我們在那陣子他要托車要托四年有的要托兩年我要托國家國家要托錢貴 才有辦法 |
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| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
現在台北可以退婚可以退婚 因為有些人都年齡不夠我們這裡要去了解雖然是科技現在我有聽到妳的解說但是我們要如何去突破有啦 我現在每年每年都有拜託才好妳不然怎麼會把我們請假因為是這樣的關係我跟主委說 |
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| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
這個月十五號剛才你說 我們的靈魂一早來我們家 早上來我們家為了人的安全 不論他怎麼樣 我們當局的心地 灰色地帶我們都一定要救 但是在美國的智庫裡面 因為發覺說 |
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| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
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他們的200多年都會去改變去讓人不知道的時候你們認為在過去那幾年是有問題還是沒有問題你們知道嗎來 主委你回答一下議員報告我們有資料好檢測因為是沒有開AIS的時候 |
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| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
因為主委也在業務報告說我們有看過有標準的改變因為以前我們就是說 |
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| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
你的道沙 你剛才的報告跟你們學校的報告夾在裡面我們都沒有查到 也沒有發這就是有嚇阻的作用道沙之前有發 再來現在沒有這個行為所以我們不去處理 |
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| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
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那是抽刷 抽刷 抽刷 抽刷 抽刷那他就沒來啊 他是發作黨的對 發作黨的嘛所以我們以前就是發作黨的你看他現在不敢來因為我們要靠 又要發展所以他就不敢來啊所以在這裡的規定裡面主委我也知道你們大家很辛苦 很勇敢的議員 你要注意道理書 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
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我們一年以上的藝術就是不可以讓你變乖所以那個黨發下去發到幾千萬 黨發下去之後現在都你...香港主委在這裡我要跟你說我們的綠燈一八十四年沒有淘汰一八十五年 |
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我們有本九億七千九百六十萬有二十五個綠燈要示範我告訴你們因為這類醫生是國土論性的特別預算因為我這次的時間這麼久了 |
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麻煩你所有二十五號的房子的幾位要怎麼做麻煩你給我分析 以上如果沒有機密的部分 一定都...當然喔 因為有機密的 為了國家的安全我不會要求討債 是 我要看你們的所作所為因為開 申請限制 也能夠申請 以上 |
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好謝謝王美惠召委好再來我們請麥玉珍委員主席好有請我們的主委管主委請到主委 |
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外委員好主委好我們海巡送遞真的很辛苦除了要抓偷渡的 抓走私的還有查毒品還要應對業界的捕魚 護魚對岸灰色地帶的挑釁行為這些工作量幾乎是一直累積 一直紮在一起請教我們的主委 |
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这几年美国、中国、新加坡还有很多国家都用无人船还有运用海巡的任务上我们在台湾也在2014年6月8月做过无人船的测试但是到现在我们看不到明确部署的方向 |
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還有海巡人員的工作範圍越來越廣但是又人力不足無人機載具的無人就是無人載具的應該最直接的解方之一請問我們的海委會有沒有把這個無人載具的納入中長城的計畫目前海巡署對無人載具的規劃是怎麼樣有沒有 |
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就是設定具體的時程因為我們今天沒有看到報告裡面也沒有說 |
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好 謝謝麥委員關心這確實是未來發展一個非常重要的面向我們一定要趕上這個新的時代所以我們有新的計畫那也非常謝謝大院的支持委員也都有同意讓我們的預算有通過那委員會看到說我們目前還沒有部署的原因 |
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是因為預算是編在明年開始那明年我們就會有大幅度的部署包括無人機跟無人艇明年才要因為我們看到你們有測試所以我們都還沒有看到 |
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所以說好如果是明年明年的話我們就要 無人機的話都在訓練了明年的話我們想要請教一下說無人船的打算是國造還是說委託民間團體來合作目前因為沒有看到說進行的 |
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技术评估或者测试报告因为你说有测试我们没有看到所以测试的结果到底如何我们传承聚含力还有影像的输出还有就是眼端操作的稳定性有没有达到我们要的标准这些都有测试各位委员报告那个测试是民间办 |
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民間辦所以就是委任民間嘛沒有 跟我們無關他們自己要展示他們的商品給我們看這樣子所以商品是你們委任他們去做不是 國內的造船廠他自己也要研發他自己也要跟上世界的腳步所以他們自己就都有去研發了那他們研發的東西不見得符合我們的需要他們要去改 |
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所以他們研發了以後到可以展現給大家看的時候他們自己辦的測試跟我們無關所以我們剛才你說我們的那個已經在用明年的預算現在就是別人的 |
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沒有委員這是兩回事就是您看到的那個測試是國內的無人艇的測試那我們明年要買的時候我們會開國際標就是全世界還有包括國內他們都可以來標我們看到你們是在6月8月的時候就有做測試啊 |
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不是我們做的測試不是你們做的測試民間所以船是民間買的你的預算是船是民間造的是造船廠造船廠做測試測試給我們看把他們做出來的成果測試給大家看我們有派人去看到處都有派人去看 |
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所以說我們到現在我們都沒有再用這樣子的工具來去我們現在因為我剛才講的無人船沒有無人機有無人船這樣子的話那麼現在就是 |
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無人船 我們現在沒有 還沒有剛才我問的是測試測試的是無人船無人船測試也是他們在做 不是我們所以我們也沒有說要去做這件事情我們當然也很希望各家都去測試給我們看 |
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包括國外的都來測試給我們看但是現在很多國家都要用無人船來去做我們帶巡海或者是海防的能力的轉型因為現在我們的敵情變化那麼快所以我們無人載具的不只是輔助委員有看到關鍵是 我們要做我們 |
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我們不能就是就是輔助而已我們希望的是說更減少人力的封卸這樣才是我們要的工具我們不只是去抗而已我們希望真的是落實因為現在現在沒有落實我們真的海巡送地很 |
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很辛苦又很危險公務員報告無人機的部分都在訓練飛手無人船 我說的無人船無人機的是無人機還有無人船我們要問的是無人船我們也要弄很厲害的無人機對 我知道但是我們現在無人船的要沒有就是具體的你說測試但是我們沒有看到 |
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說你們測試是別人 就是這些廠商在測試給你們看但是你們也要真正的落實我們要買嘛 我們是買家嘛他們要秀給我們看嘛對啊 但是秀那麼久了嘛 我的意思是說秀那麼久了 我們這邊有沒有什麼就是說 知道這樣子的我們要的一個具體的一個數據啦 不是只有去看 |
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所以你們車的過程沒有任何的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
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考量或者是說數據啊什麼都沒有民間有民間的數據啦所以你們就我們都有收集我們有收集我們都收集回來研究收集回來研究還有第二個就是說我們現在就是寒流來一波又一波我們是陪海岸東北角還有就是龜山島 |
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還有澎渣嶼的這些地方我們有受到很多的懲罰所以因為現在寒流越來越多就是有八九度隨著就是風雨還有就是海象的惡劣但是我們海巡送堤就是無論是多冷多風還是多危險他們都要出海對不對所以但是呢我們很多懲罰是說 |
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他們的防寒外套還有防寒褲還有雨衣還有手套就只是一套而已而且就是好幾年的就是很舊的裝備有的破了落水的還有保暖不夠很多兄弟他們自己還要去買一些羽毛衣所以我們想要 |
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我們主委這邊這樣子說得過去嗎?對他們公平嗎?不會喔 委員我們那個遇寒喔 那些都泡泡很高的我理導有那種很保暖的大衣給他們我給書長 還是給書長給委員報告好不好 |
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因為我們有收到陳情跟委員報告我們現在分兩個段就是第一次同仁報到的時候我們就會發給他一套海巡外套其實他是很厚的另外針對外離島的部分我們會再加發一件海巡的大衣他是長的比較保暖的部分另外這些東西還包括防環帽還有包括手套 |
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防寒衣裡面的那件防寒衣都是有的那所以基本上它是夠的那在第二次像剛剛委員講說就很久沒有發我們第二次發的時候就變成選項的項目就是說我們有多少經費那你去點選我今年是要買換我的外套換了那我就選我要這一年要撥補的是外套那我的如果是裡面的置物壞掉我就選它但是我們一定的價格因為它是變預算的關係 |
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讓他自己去點選所以在基本上在防寒的部分我們對通常照顧是非常多的那像明年開始我們就編了包括外地阿波我們就編了7600件的那個大衣給他們所以每一個人都會有一件很好的防寒大衣好 我們希望就是一次性你們有沒有做一次性的全國盤點全國的盤點 |
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因为现在这群孩子在外面就是在海边还有风吹什么的冒着就是生命危险来守护我们的国家所以我们希望说他们要有保暖我们要做得到所以希望就是说我们组委这边 |
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針對就是我們外島有哪一單位最缺的或者你掌握清楚嗎所以我們希望你要做這個盤點我們就說有但是還有人跟我們陳情就表示你們就沒有盤點沒有給足跟委員報告就是鬼人現在照片看的是我們的大衣而是那個外套海巡的防航外套我們另外還有一件是防航大衣所以不一樣的 |
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我們知道因為他跟我們澄清跟我們說的很清楚所以我們希望的就是說防寒衣物到底有配就是分配有多少委員關心的外離島 麻煩委員回答他 |
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關心的外離島的重磅防寒大衣100%每個人都有所以我們希望說這個要給我們全國的盤點如果是說我們有但是說有想誰要你就給沒有要就沒給這樣子的話是真的是不公平我們希望的是說你們要全國 |
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全国要去盘点那个是第二次啦对我们是知道但是我们看到里面的预算里面没有写到说就是防寒衣你们是有有筹备装备要去采购但是没有没有明确啦所以我们希望的是说全国就是要盘点还有所有的外套防寒裤啊衣服啊手套这一些 |
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庫存狀況或者是說立即採購優先補足就是我們的北海岸東北角就是外 |
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外島的就是缺口還有就是跨部會議看要怎麼協調就是因為剛才都有講到預算所以我們必要就是說採購的部分要讓我們大家穿得暖不是名牌他們要穿得暖我們本來服裝費一個人六千七被刪到剩下三千了 |
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對啦 這個我來想辦法啦 好不好所以這兩個 兩件事情因為時間有限 不好意思一個人六千 七改成一個人三千這個不夠啦 這個不行啦 拜託委員支持這不是不夠不行的問題 現在你就扯到是這個預算我們要說你全國盤點 |
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天國盤點的問題 還有我們看到預函絕對百分之百我們一定都給還有第一次我們絕對百分之百強制給時間有關係主委因為不管是說你有沒有說編列預算如果沒有編預算可能就是要跟行政院怎麼樣去徵詐預算因為是有人跟我們反應跟我們陳情我們才要 |
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要求所以我就時間關係就是兩個重點第一個就是今天就是兩個問題一個就是科技升級就是我們的就是無人船就是要載具要清楚我們明年嘛明年不能只是看要有一個數據要有哪一個廠商對我們最好的哪一個我們採購這個要有嗎不是我們都有去看明年就買進來了就是第一 |
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还有第二个就是人员的照顾无人载具要导入是海防就是转型的关键现在所以我们这装备要补足还有就是第一线的送递要能撑到就是基本的保障 |
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這兩項的話你可以說要怎麼樣去幫忙去保證比較落實所以我們希望就是在一個月內可以提出就是你有期看無人床他們的測試什麼的因為我們要的是 |
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要購買要花錢花在刀口上對不對要完整給我們因為我們是海防不只是防線是跟的重要的是信任還有希望我們的海巡送地他們就是有科技可以用現在都科技了還有溫度的衣服讓他們可以防暖這事情要有安全最好就是科技安全人員安全對不對 |
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这样子的话我们真正的才是说我们的海巡我们国防的任性这样子才达到就是我们要的花钱花在刀口上嘛对不对这样子对我们国家是更好啦我们要的是这样子就是让我们宋帝安心照顾好让他们出海 |
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還沒刮到 大家晚上要去做工作 還沒刮還要洗我們在裡面可以穿暖 又有暖氣 他們出去不一樣所以他們的反應是這樣所以希望我們主委就是全國盤點的需求 好嗎 謝謝謝謝 我們感謝麥正委員質詢 我們現在要黃姐委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席我們請管主委加管主委 |
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然後時間寶貴啦大家的時間也要稍微控制一下好不好好 謝謝主席 謝謝管主委我今天有三個題目要請教第一個是我們在九月底的時候我跟張瑞雄委員 陳瑩委員還有張雅玲委員我們一起開了一個人船碰壁的公聽會那時候我們邀請了海巡署其實也有到現場那有自由潛水協會非常多在潛水的夥伴 |
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也都在現場提出非常好的建議那當時我們的結論是說希望我們海委會可以回去研議一個人傳碰壁的相關的指引那你們指引出來之後才能讓交通部那邊去訂更細則的人傳碰壁的規則那所以我在這邊想要請教的是從9月底到現在你們有沒有新的進度預計什麼時候可以把這個指引訂出來呢各位委員報告草案已經出來了 |
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那草案出來以後當然回歸業務主管機關他們要去做所以我們會跟業務主管機關部門跨部會跟他們協商但是我們其實呢各個行動都同步在進行指引歸指引現在有進度但是未來的行動 |
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行動方案更快行動方案現在確定了也謝謝委員關心那委員的記者會也讓全國都非常的關心這件事情因為長期都關心自有潛水我知道我們現在就是決定說 |
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每一年的熱季譬如說三個月份的熱季那我們出錢沒關係雖然我們不是業務主管部門但是我們來出錢沒關係我們出錢呢跟漁會來合作那漁會呢就在這三個月的時候隨時在海上做勸導跟戒護安全 |
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OK 是那這個會很有效那指引的話就是最主要就是說你要如何走這個申請的程序啊然後如何在防範這個避碰這個避碰如何的防範 |
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那個部分的指引草案都做好了謝謝委員的提出那我當然希望這個指引可以盡快出來那也很感謝我們行動優先啦因為這是最重要的因為我們當初九月會開這個記者會這個座談會是因為今年五月到七月其實發生了三起的死傷 |
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那這其實蠻令人震驚的喔因為其實我們海洋是大家共用的那但是呢當漁船跟這一些在潛水的人潛水員之間如果發生意外其實是大家很容易有一些摩擦所以海上的交通規則確實蠻重要的 |
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本來我們是希望保障本來我們是希望更早時候海委會出來協調啦但是觀光署說沒問題他們自己就會先來協調那所以就讓觀光署也先做協調但是最後的話我看時間也不能拖所以最後我們還會出來我們處長想到這個方法我覺得很好也給處長一個肯定就是說他用這個行動方案我覺得有效 |
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好太棒了好謝謝我們海委會優先處理這個部分因為我還是要講我希望到時候的指引是包括因為其實國際上已經有很多參考的案例我們先把草案給委員好啊沒問題草案可以先給我參考包括說這個潛水旗的規範就是說你去潛水至少要有潛水旗嘛然後一定的大小一定的規範就是讓漁船都看得到 |
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然後漁船靠近的時候距離幾海里還有那個海域的標示要出來沒錯 沒錯然後要放慢多少速度然後在多少的範圍裡面就要拉多近的時候就要放慢這個一定都要放進去這個我們剛好都有好 對因為其實自由潛水協會給我們非常多的建議我都覺得國際上都做的 |
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做得到了台灣一定也做得到我們是一個海洋國家從那個什麼時候開始我都還記得就是從那個保險開始是的沒錯沒錯好謝謝主委那再來第二個我想要對我們署長也在這裡這個就是因為其實最近日本首相高市長苗有提到他在預算委員會答詢的時候 |
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有時候如果台灣有事可能也會構成日本行使集體自衛權的成立危機事態那當然我覺得這個其實跟台灣也非常有關係因為他們是願意為了台灣挺身而出嘛那其實我們跟日本之間一直都有關於這個海難救助的聯合演訓我知道包括跟菲律賓也都有都是這樣單邊的所以我在這邊想要請教兩個問題一個是我知道說今年六月在日本鹿兒島跟 |
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有一個美日飛的聯合演訓也就是說他們是一個更多邊的所以第一個有沒有機會擴大聯合演訓的對象把美日飛跟台灣大家進行一個更大型的聯合演訓這是第一個問題第二個有沒有機會擴大聯合演訓的項目因為我們現在都還是做海難救助嘛那我希望有沒有機會把海纜的防範一起納進去因為我們知道說現在海纜是 |
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重中之重啊因為包括說最近美國其實也出了一份報告說如果台灣24條海欄都被受到中國影響的話那我們每天經濟的損失是17.3億然後呢我們政府會完全的癱瘓軍事也會受到影響這是非常非常嚴重的警告所以海欄現在我們在修海欄七法那相關的演訓我認為也是一個必要的項目 |
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這邊特別跟委託回答委員第一個問題就是有關這個聯合演訓的部分那我們現在跟日本 菲律賓 還有美國我們現在是在海上是有做相關的類似的這個聯合演訓但比較是單邊嘛對 但是在實兵部分我們這次也在推就是說希望能夠3加1實兵直接上去做好 太棒了那這是我們現在的目標啦這是要 |
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這個要做的部分那第二個部分就是有關剛剛委員提示的部分就是有關海嵐合作那其實我們跟周邊國家對於海嵐這個案件都有互相做聯繫跟做必要的這些情質的交往但是跟特別跟委員報告我們在處理鴻泰58的時候這個案例是在全球非常經典成功的案例那我們也到其他國家去做宣導那我們現在也有很多國家到我們這邊來取經就是我們 |
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取締這個案件成功的案例扣船扣人罰款然後都就是人也可以逮到嘛這是我們可以目前做到非常強力的執法那我也希望海蘭七法通過之後我們就有強而有力的法律工具去處理這些人跟船那聯合演訓的部分拜託美日非如果可以做到多邊演習我們現在正積極在推啦因為各方有各方的考量但我們這是我們的目標 |
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好太好了謝謝署長的說明那最後一個我們想要請海保署好那一點時間我在這邊直接快速的講就是金屯展演的部分因為其實最近有一個在有一個很有名的一個網路的網紅在拍法國海洋一個廢棄的海洋公園裡面一個虎鯨的影片就是當然借這個例子我是要講說我們台灣現在 |
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其實都有努力的要輔導轉型說讓金屯的展演盡量朝向是如果可以避免就不要那如果是要展演的話希望是生態導向這個是我們目前的目標但是就我所知現在我們的耶溜海洋世界跟遠雄海洋公園其實都還是有相關的展演然後最近他們都還在申請展演的許可證 |
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的展演以及新一季的那這就是我要問的接下來如果我們還保守持續的許可這一些海洋公園讓金屯繼續做這些展演的話我們是不是應該加嚴呢讓他們朝向說讓金屯展演的時候不要是那麼娛樂性的那麼傷害這些動物本身的可以更注重動物倫理的 |
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報告委員我們現在整個台灣有三個單位有景屯就包括剛才前面兩個提到的跟我們的海生館海生館現在也有三組當然海生館沒有這種比較娛樂的表演但是我們海保署最近這幾年有推了怎麼樣讓他們轉型 |
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那我們自己也有同仁會在平常的時候到這個展場去當秘密課就是監督他們是不是有違反這些動物圈或是他們在展演的部分因為我們也有在這兩年也有針對這些鯨豚的部分圈養的部分 |
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是不是能夠野放或是是不是能夠讓他們這個不要去展演這些相關的這個動物圈的保護跟金輪保育的部分我們有在努力的推然後也希望各個像是這個有商業行為的這些專業能夠慢慢的轉型到以保育或是未來他們能夠回到大海裡面 |
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好 謝謝那當然這是長期的目標那短期內因為這個野柳跟遠雄他們的許可證的展現已經迫在眉睫了啦所以我希望如果你們當然主管機關是地方審查嘛那可是目前看起來新北市政府花蓮縣政府都有意願讓他們繼續這樣做 |
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所以我要講的是如果到時候中央有發現包括你們秘密課去巡查的時候發現這個狀態還是不行有違動物倫理有違這個鯨豚的保育那你們第一時間就把他們這個許可證收回吧各位有報告就說 |
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这些曾经被用来不当的使用作展演的这些保育动物或者是金吞目前没有办法也放回大海因此他们有需要持续被照顾但是我们希望就是照顾那么照顾的时候就需要资源 |
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因此我們沒有辦法馬上關掉它們因為馬上關掉它們的時候直接會影響到這些金屯怎麼辦因此我們就是輔導它們轉型目前那一些我們認為不當的展演方式都已經改掉我們希望它目前的展演是以保育為基礎之下 |
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以教育為目的的一種展演的形式但是我不是365天我都看著你啊所以我就要求說那你們也一定要有秘密課去所以我目前是建立這個機制所以這個執照你沒辦法不給他為了金屯 |
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但是你給牠的時候你如何的確保牠沒有來這個不當的讓牠們做違背這個動物自然習性的這個表演的這個部分我們就是用這樣的機制在監督這個方向我可以接受無論如何鯨豚自己我們可以確實的保育這些鯨豚是最重要的好 謝謝主委 |
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謝謝 我們感謝黃姐的委員接受我們家牛西庭委員質詢謝謝主席 管主委有請家管主委牛委員好主委早安最近這附近的局勢不是太穩定那美國駐日大使格拉斯最近有講這個 |
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美國堅定對日本有防衛的承諾包含尖閣諸島也就是我們所稱的釣魚台那當然啦這個中日之間的一個衝突當然會造成區域局勢的不穩定那當然就會觸碰到釣魚台的敏感神經那按照我們的憲法等等這些規定而且歷來我想不分藍綠在執政的時候都有共同宣誓嘛釣魚台當然是屬於中華民國主權的領土範圍對不對主委同意這句話對不對 |
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我不但就是說在不久前我也公開在媒體說主權是我們的這個沒有退讓我最近所發表的政策白皮書也都宣示這個中華民國的主權無益那我要問大概遇到這樣子的一個不穩定的狀況大概有兩種做法也分別在我們不同時期前總統都有實踐過這個2005年的時候我們陳水扁前總統就有到彭佳瑜然後去接紀念碑的這個揭牌儀式 |
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當然就是宣誓嘛 順勢就宣誓說我們政府對釣魚台的立場並沒有改變嘛這是一種態度的一種展現嘛這是一種做法那麼馬英九前總統的時候則是講說用一個比較寬的心態用一個合作為基礎的這樣的心態 |
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他拋出了所謂的東海和平倡議後來催生了所謂的台日漁業協定那都是某一種層面都是面對這個問題然後宣示這個問題的一種方式那請問主委你有沒有跟行政院的平台等等或者甚至到總統等等針對最近這段時間我們打算因應這樣子的一個這個問題找上門來了嘛我們打算是用哪一種方式處理呢我們是打算比如說像陳先生總統一樣也做出在某一些時刻某一些場合做出一些強力的宣示 |
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或者是說我們按照馬英九前總統過去講的所謂的和平倡議呼籲說大家把局勢穩定下來然後大家按照國際制度協議的方式來做處理現在我們政府比較傾向走哪一個方向跟委員報告我們穩定海域的局勢這個是我們堅持 |
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那在這個部分我們有透過我們所急的外交的行動來表達我們的期望那另外我們的最主要的工作就是護魚跟執法那護魚跟執法的話我們今天下午也會開會在這個部分呢我們就是要很謹慎的來做好這件事情一定要保護我們的漁民在這個緊張的局勢之中我們要做好護魚的工作 |
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讓我們有派一艘大艦在東北的海域這個絕對不會打折扣那至於說國家要不要以政府的立場去做主權的宣示這就不是海巡署他要去觸及的領域了我們就是做好我們的本分那其他的部分我們依照國安指示 |
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來處理本席是希望在藉這個機會喊喊話這當然本席是建議當然是按照馬前總統的宣誓來走本來我們就是希望局勢穩定和平過去也有和平的倡議跟相關的協議 |
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照著協議來走讓局勢降下來恐怕是一個比較適合的角色這樣我想也不失中華民國立場主權當然是我們可以稍作宣示但是和平更重要我覺得這些事情是可以適時宣示但沒關係我也尊重主委的回答因為你今天不是總統對不對所以沒有關係但你有提到說護愚的部分絕對不打折扣這一點是很好的主權的部分我剛剛也已經宣示了一次那我們就進入另外一個題目就是說 |
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這政治的問題處理跟宣示是一種層面但是實際上包含你海巡執行業務的時候我們還是要討論到政策的核心也就是人員徵補的問題稍早我有聽張志倫委員跟你的質詢我也是問相關的問題因為審計部的審計報告裡面其實有講就是說海巡人力的徵補作業雖然你把希望的緣額拉得很高但是實際上徵補進來的狀況這個 |
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好像是比較有限比如說111年度及112年度的均值人力並沒有辦法彌補流失是淨減少的狀況113年到10月截止審計報告的結果就是說稍微有增補但是離你的計畫目標還有很大的一段差距那麼這個均值短缺的總體缺口從109年底的47人擴大到113年10月底的867人也就是說我們都知道大家都希望海巡的人越來越多但實際上補不了這麼多人 |
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這個人力缺口並沒有辦法有效的來補食啊這個這個主委啊我們軍人待遇條例修正之後啊這海軍署有沒有幫軍人加薪有沒有邊境預算跟委員報告預算的問題我想大家都知道答案我也知道委員很包容我們在這個部分我的立場委員也知道那人力的部分的話我們今年到年底會縮短那個差距 |
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會縮短到792人不過聽到你有講說EWE有撥一部分人進來就是說我們會縮短到792人以外這個是我們招募的部分然後另外EWE會撥補所以會大幅的縮小我現在就擔心的就是說你如果要把這個數字的缺口彌補起來你當然從EWE裡面去增補一些人力當然也是你可以講這是沒有辦法中的辦法但是其實我們當然希望海巡現在的角色其實是最吃重的對不對又要護魚然後局勢又不是那麼的穩定 |
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所以其實壓力很大嘛對不對所以最正本清源的方式還是從專業的君子人力去彌補嘛還有科技我們明年科技導入以後人力會受到我覺得最重要的還是人力的增補因為你回覆審計部你是這樣說的你說我的人力成長第一要多元管道經用這大家都知道 |
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第二你要講人人都是招募員其實就跟一般這個志願役弟兄在募兵的時候大家都要協助招募的概念是一樣的但最近唯一能夠有效提升招募優先的其實就是軍人待遇條例的落實總統在四月份的那一波加薪已經有相當程度四月一號已經有但顯然你的額度還差很多你如果說這一波的加薪有效果的話 |
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你不會要調151的人去補缺口我最近在算一個數字就是說如果軍人加薪到我們三獨通過的版本的話那我們警職要加多少文職要加多少這是我待會要跟你討論的問題那警職呢警職如果沒有加的話 |
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我們海上更辛苦沒錯這就是但是海上待遇卻我們一段一段來解決問題我想主委也不會反對當然這個一樣跟剛剛那一題一樣我覺得是需要配套不是你能做主的題目我覺得是一定要人事行政專業一起協商但是去把配套全部處理好沒錯但是目前這樣真的是僵局你可以我就直接問主委一個問題直接幫軍人加薪有沒有助於 |
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招募的效果嗎你覺得有沒有幫助委員4月份的那個部分4月份的那個部分給予軍人的士氣很大的提升那也穩住了我們軍警文這種機構之間的橫向的平衡 |
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那現在就是說出現了橫向不平衡是一個新的問題好 橫向不平衡那我就順著這個問題往下講所以這個僵局我非常希望來這個僵局我非常希望應該要本於專業然後用協商來解決好 那我們現在就是靜待視線這樣靜待視線 好嘛反正我講你沒辦法做主就是這個原因嘛沒關係 我也不為難你艦隊分署有講啦就是人力缺口的部分艦隊分署上庭了我們都一直在演繹我們都一直在演繹 |
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艦隊的人力確保其實有一個合理性在裡面是警職嘛艦隊是不是警職 上庭是不是警職我現在有點擔心因為其實理論上大家認知海巡的工作上庭其實等於是海巡各項工作裡面最辛苦壓力最大的嘛 對不對然後他是警職 所以就會出現這個組委是否同意會有點同工不同酬的狀態也就是說警職人員去做幾乎是軍職的工作但是待遇不一樣 會不會有這個問題我舉一個例子好不好 |
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如果以三讀通過來講的話喔哨位剛考進來第一年他的薪水比在海上十年還要高對 所以警職也要這個失衡齁好 沒關係這個失衡需要專業需要人事行政的專業導入不是 你先回答我的問題嘛是不是 |
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警職人員要上庭做的事情其實跟軍人強度其實是差不多的嘛但是制度上的設計讓他有不同的角色不一樣職法的素養很深我問你的是工作的強度嘛職法的性質當然不一樣這大家都知道啊目前當然不是跟國軍的軍職比以海巡來講警職的強度非常的高警職的強度非常高甚至跟軍職都接近或甚至一樣對不對有這個狀況對不對甚至於比軍職高還更高講得真好 |
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主委你站不站著我們來修正相關的法令幫警職也一起加薪委員真的導入人事行政的專業行政立法一定要透過協商來解決這個問題我不反對透過協商來解決這個問題但是都沒有處理的時候行政權就只能夠依賴憲法的解釋先來解套我們今天在這邊討論海巡內部的軍職跟警職是不是有同工不同酬的狀況的時候 |
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不就是在討論在協商嗎修法以後非常嚴重對不對那所以看起來修法以後失衡非常嚴重主委你應該贊成海巡內部的軍警的待遇緊急症對不對而且低階的薪水比高階的還要高就差很多嘛有私人狀況那支持不支持警察也同步調整 |
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我們現在要因為你海巡總體面對人力缺口的問題嘛我支持的不是再去單獨然後就沒有人事行政專業導入的情況之下再修出一個又有問題的法這個我不支持我絕對不支持一定無論如何要有人事行政專業導入這個非常重要人力有一個總體缺口你的招募出現了困難甚至你要到你軍警你要人身都是招募員現在我們二等兵 |
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第一年的薪水跟講師的薪水一樣你把話聽完主席你總要讓他把問題聽完我會給他時間回答啦好不好我們時間也剩不多我們要收個尾現在面對人力征服的問題對不對你講人人都是招募員表示壓力很大你在警職的人力缺口你甚至要去找警大跟警專去調人所以表示客觀的結構來講你海巡有人力缺口的問題加薪是一個可以解決這個問題的方法 |
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你應該不會反對這件事然後我剛剛還問了是不是有同工不同酬的問題要以人事行政專業的考量之下去考量行之結構的問題這非常的堅持這一點我真的非常堅持你可以堅持但你要不要提出一個版本呢一定要有人事行政專業我覺得一定要有人事行政專業導入的情況之下才能夠有可行性 |
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我從不反對你從政府的角度包含考量你的人事行政專業去提一個版本所以4月1號的那一波4月1號的那一波就是有人事行政考量要不要幫警察警職人員海軍裡面的警職人員既然他工作強度都超過軍人要不要幫他們加薪警職人員的加薪我們都正在做我們從他們的海上 |
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這個海上加擠我們要求海上加擠不能夠三十幾年沒有調我們現在正在處理現在正在那你一開始就講這個事就好了嘛警察的待遇不夠高有適合所以我要調整對不對那個不是透過修法 |
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沒關係 你把相關的資料你把相關的資料來做提供因為我們今天討論 花這麼多時間討論辯論就是要解決人力缺口我希望透過改善待遇的方式來處理好不好 你把你的軍警文啊分工薪酬狀況困境通通你一個報告來 大家好好來討論這個事嘛好不好 我不反對用協商的方式處理 |
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但是我反對我們海上職務佳績有在出現沒關係你把工作分工薪酬的失衡跟問題跟可能目前你解決方法跟進度通通你報告讓內政委員會了解這樣我們就了解了啊委員我會跟你報告好可以沒有問題好不好謝謝感謝牛西庭委員質詢人家李博義委員質詢 |
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謝謝有請管主委跟張署長加管主委張署長李委員好謝謝主委我改變一下我原本要質詢的順序啦其實從不要說從今年4月我們軍職的調整之後啦那延續剛剛上一個問題那還有包含我們這個 |
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警察同仁的外勤的0到6点的每个小时100块的这个勤务的加急来讲其实那个时候行政院的人事总处长就有讲了一句话就是这个警察的内外勤以及海巡弟兄们的0点到6点的内外勤他牵涉到不止警职那牵涉到军职等等一并的考量由立法单位监督单位 |
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來提升某一個這個家籍的話很容易就造成失衡我想這這個就是剛剛管主委你的最想要表達的事情是這一個所以主委其實是想要提升但是要提升必須要兼顧到所有包含我們海巡人員軍職警職還有其他義務役同仁等等的這一些待遇共同來看 |
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大家的工作的強度共同來看大家工作的危險性一併做一個考量由行政單位一起來做一個提出來一起來做一個提升我覺得這個是主委剛剛想要表達的意思那個結果才會有可行性 |
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那也才會有利於組織的發展那如果沒有可行性那我覺得對同仁來講你也沒有照顧到他你只是讓他只是說立法院這邊想要做人情給某個然後他會從升高的期望這樣反而變成不公平嘛他會從升高的期望到交 |
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焦慮或者是失望我覺得這個過程對他們來講我也很不捨所以其實重點是在我們會支持行政單位跟人事總署這邊提出來的 |
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怎麼樣提高而且是公平性的提高所有的人的這些待遇而不是說我今天提高這個發現這裡不公平我再來提高這個請問我們身為監督機關沒有辦法那麼兼顧希望海委會跟人事行政總署跟行政院這邊可以提出一個比較完整的版本讓我們來共同來支持 |
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好謝謝主委我們會反映那有關其他家籍的部分我們有一直都在檢討那跟委員報告就是說四月份的那一波其實處理下來士氣就大增我們就就就君子的同仁就受到很大很大的激勵那也有助於我們的招募那四月份的那一波也是很大幅度四月份的那一波 |
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总统也做了非常大幅度的一个调整对这个我们表示支持之外其实另外一件让我们士气大振的事情我们明年也增加了17亿的预算在人事费很好我们去年度其实在省预算的时候非常的辛苦包含这些设备交流等等的费用其实也非常辛苦一度还造成两艘舰艇可能今年无法达成让我们比较振奋的事情在我们任性特别预算里面 |
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那海巡署也得到相關的149億的預算這個是讓我覺得很振奮的事情在去年度很辛苦的狀況下那今年度我們的任性特別條例裡面包含對於海空無人載具這個我覺得因為 |
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連續三艘的這個艦艇的下水以及總統副總統都有來甚至在這個月的時候賴總統還來為這個希拉雅號就是我們高緯度的遠洋巡護艦來命名那當天也是4000噸級的救難艦台北艦下水其實在海巡單位海委會每一次的這個下水典禮裡面 |
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那也讓我們看到的這些無人載具然後還有包含海巡監測系統的這些建制讓我們對於這些海巡人員我相信有了這些設備之後他們會更有士氣啦是這個149億請問主委這個在今年度可以完成執行嗎 |
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我們現在好幾個項目都已經公開上網在尋求商情換句話說就是說明年的預算我們現在就一步一步在走採購的程序對 因為我們其實看到這些無人載具的時候我們看到這個數量不夠多 |
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那有這個任性特別條例有通過這些預算我們相信對於海巡的弟兄我們非常感謝不是只有待遇提高會提振他們的士氣啦我覺得這些設備也是真正可以提高他們的士氣對 包括人力包括人力的緩解也有幫助好 謝謝來 我請張淑 |
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我請這個張署長今年的鴻泰58號你剛有說這個在國際上會是一個可以被參考的案例那所以立法院這邊包含行政院這邊也在研議相關的這些修法包含傳播法包含傳播法第8條第10條對於這些自動識別系統以及航海日誌這些對於海巡的這些執法的同仁有沒有具體的幫助 |
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這邊特別跟委員報告那早期是就是沒有開AIS或者是變更或者是這些變造部分我們是沒有罰則的所以它航經我們的水利的時候它沒有開那我們沒有罰則最多最多我們是把它驅離那現在如果有罰則以後對我們未來的資保是非常有幫助的 |
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那他也比較不會進來因為罰則罰得很重所以他們也比較不會進來對 剛剛張宏陸委員也有講那遇到這些相關可疑的船隻你們已經有記錄在案的我也支持我們直接執法就把它驅離那最近的事情有一個軍事迷他研究這些航道有一艘蒙古級的貨輪那他也是權宜輪那我們海巡監控的過程可以請署長來說明一下 |
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特別跟委員報告那其實所有的船舶只要航經在我國的水域那第一時間我們會通報航港單位也就是我們的航政主管機關去做必要的這個廣播驅離那在廣播驅離不行以後會通知我們海巡組的艦船你會去做實體的驅離跟登檢那這一艘的過程你跟了多久 |
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8036 |
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這艘蒙古籍的這個權益輪特別跟尾巴這艘我們是從頭到尾都有關注的他一共在那裡停留了多久你認為他的目的是什麼他主要目的是特別跟尾巴我們現在周邊有比較多的這些像權益輪那像喪後輪那他們主要用意是停泊在那裡第一個除了避風以外第二個部分是 |
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因為他也算是一種貨輪也是路邊攤一樣就是說他等急貨那晚了以後再進港這個一個月就有點可疑了可是跟委員報告這種的現象是很普遍的因為他急貨急完貨以後他進港 |
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那這些船都有進港紀錄也表示說它是經過我們的航港單位檢驗是沒有問題的只是說它停泊時間比較久那這個部分我們會全程用雷達監控那有違常的時候我們會派船去登檢然後如果真的有違規我們就把它代案 |
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好 謝謝我們支持海巡所有的這些設備那也支持這些海巡弟兄的整體的這些服務性質看怎麼樣去做一個適當的考量的調整謝謝好 謝偉謝謝我們感謝李博裕委員我們家徐毅臻委員接受謝謝主席我們請管主委跟張署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
請主委署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
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徐委員好管主委好管主委剛剛您在報告我們有關海委會在過去一個這一年來的一個報告本席也非常肯定您所率領的各單位為我們不管是在海域的執法或是海費的治理跟各項的業務其實都非常的用心謝謝委員當然我想您的報告中也有提出就是說我們現在是依據賴總統的國家希望工程 |
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8131.525 |
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跟三安四法為市政的主軸那目標是要因應這個安全永續共榮的現代海洋的韌性治理那當然您在最後您也有提出來你們所面臨的四大挑戰尤其是願景跟資源的落差還有地緣政治的一個結構性的威脅所以在這邊本席要特別的請教您就是您的報告中有提到就是我們成功的應對了中國大陸的海峽雷艇2025A軍演 |
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8161.478 |
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動員了17艘的艦艇3艘的船跟86艘艇而且也拒止了中國大陸民用船舶進入我國淨線制海域的做法但是這個數字的背後本席有深切的疑慮想要跟您探討一下就是在報告指出我們本年度驅離越界中國大陸的船舶高達773艘次扣留的17艘發還612萬 沒入13艘 |
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8190.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
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請問一下主委我們目前扣留的17艘船現在如何處置都回去了我們扣留了以後然後我們就依法因為檢察官就罰他們是嗎是 然後依法那該罰還的罰還如果有刑責的該判處的會判處那你現在沒入的13艘是什麼我們目前也沒有滯留也沒有扣人我們也沒有扣人 |
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8219.547 |
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8237.8 |
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譬如說最近的一艘我們罰兩百二十幾萬我們罰兩百二十幾萬那就讓他回去那如果說是依法我們要落入的我們就要拍賣請問主委我們的罰金六百一十二萬元實際上有收到多少 |
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8263.564 |
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我們沒有收到錢不會讓他回去所以說就是這612萬實際上都有收到那所以說基本上我們其實就是針對這樣的越界的我們應該是該罰的就要罰嘛讓他們就是來了解不可以越界我們也有好好的照顧他們我們也有嚴格的依法處理要不然的話說實在我們每次都要動用大量的人力物力去驅離 |
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8264.551 |
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8293.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
那在海上這樣你追我趕變成一種消耗戰那其實呢現在的驅離扣留跟罰環的執法手段其實針對這個部分主委您知道嗎這對於越界船舶的嚇阻效果到底有多高我們某種程度來說就是說如果它越界的船來多我直接問就是說驅離之後他們再次重複越界的時間大概間隔多久 |
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| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
8297.237 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
重複樂界的部分我們比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
8301.598 |
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8326.672 |
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她如果她如果去了又來去了又來的兩次的我們就帶了啦那這樣大概比例有多少就是全國13艘裡面今年13艘裡面有這種情形嗎我統計一下好不好我先請署長回答如果需要我請署長看看會後再給我資料因為我想知道最重要是如何嚇阻啦 |
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8354.618 |
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因為要不然的話我們一直在海上上演這個你追我跑這樣驅趕那事實上並沒有這樣的效果他們還是一直不斷的來多元報告還是有效像我們東沙就很有效那如果有效的我們當然就要嚴格執法但是如果只是這樣子在這邊大家你追我趕的話我覺得這個我們一定要有比較嚴格的手段那當然近期因為這個日本首相高士早苗的一個言論所以現在針對釣魚台的主權聲索再次被推上台 |
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8356.181 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
8371.22 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
台面上那現在11月16號中共的海警1307艦隊編隊進入釣魚台臨海內巡航那四艘船其中兩艘有配備機炮並聲稱是依法開展維權的巡航那請問一下主委釣魚台是誰的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
8400.033 |
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钓鱼台是属中华民国的主权我们在政策白皮书里面说得很清楚钓鱼台是属于中华民国那它的行政管辖权是隶属于哪个地方执法的部分我们用暂定执法线因为即使是以联合国海洋法公约而言那请问一下因为现在中国跟日本三方跟我们台湾都在进行主权申索那也涉及当然最重要就是 |
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8400.613 |
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8422.577 |
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漁民的作業安全所以現在有做這個護漁的動作嗎我們東北海域有一艘大艦長泰有一艘大艦那有進入到這個海域的護漁進入到釣魚台周邊12里或是有其他的群體的巡護嗎我們依依暫定執法線所以目前是有進到這個釣魚台周邊嗎去做護漁的動作嗎 |
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8426.858 |
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8433.462 |
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漁船借物周邊會依照我請分署長說明我們目前賦予的任務都是依照我們漁船約署所提供漁船作業的位置所以有進入到釣魚台周邊12里嗎 |
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8449.361 |
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8473.216 |
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漁船在哪裡我們就會去哪裡所以你們現在是針對我們的漁船在哪裡而並不見得是在釣魚台附近是嗎對 它會在我們台日漁業協定的作業範圍內作業所以說這個部分的話目前會不會讓外界會認為說我們其實好像國際認為說我們已經放棄了這個釣魚台的主權因為中國跟日本都在那邊聲稱他們有主權的這個 |
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8476.38 |
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8503.736 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
不會那這樣可以保證我們漁民的安全嗎是可以所以這個部分可能我想我們最重視的就是我們海上漁民的這個作業安全跟他們的一個撈權那當然在這邊最後想要請教一下這個主委的就是我們的海巡弟兄上次我們在10月16號的這個會議當中你們有提到說針對海巡人員因為當然除了你們在報告裡有講要調整 |
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8506.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
8534.382 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
雷超的勤務加緊還有增加深夜圍牢勤務的這個補津貼之外呢也希望能夠在各機關的船舶海上職務加緊能夠修正調整是我們在努力對然後也希望能依此激勵同仁的士氣跟劉健的發展的一個意願那也希望說能夠在您的最後的結語希望說財政跟人力需持續的補足那請問一下主委您對於合理的 |
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8534.878 |
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8564.038 |
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这个舰船人才的津贴的修正建议的具体的调幅大概是多少跟委员报告就是说我们现在海上勤务加急已经36年没有调了对那所以你们具体的这个增加的幅度大概是多少舰队目前有一个数字我会后再给委员我怕说了以后那可能就是要我想要知道你们因为事实上上次您记不记得我在这个质询的时候有跟你提到 |
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8564.454 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
8583.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
其實海巡人員是不夠的那當時你們當時主委的回答是說只有在七八月份不夠因為學生畢業之後還在分發還在收訓所以人手不足所以收訓完了之後分發下來就不會不足可是今天以你的報告事實上海巡的人才是不足的 |
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8583.391 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
8602.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
所以你才知道說必須要財政跟人力的這個需求的補給所以說現在我想海巡人才是不是已經持續的流失那尤其報告裡提到4艘4千噸級的這個巡防艦已經全數交船那現在會不會有這個導致這個我們這個國艦國造的新船會沒有人開呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
8603.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
8609.832 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
各位委員報告我們會有一段期間人足夠但是還沒辦法讓大家充裕我們一定要夠你不夠不能出海所以我剛講就是說人才若不夠該補的就要補 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
8621.681 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
8626.284 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
像今年警專他只給我們培訓120個我們明年希望160個那像這個水警系警察大學的水警系過去給我們20個現在我們要求40個那我們本來就希望更多嘛但是他這個學校因為我在這邊也是幫我們的海巡弟兄請命啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
8643.653 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
8652.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
因為其實基層的海巡弟兄真的非常辛苦那人力不足 該補就要補 好嗎是 好 謝謝謝謝 我們感謝市議長這順我們請吳清明委員這順跟吳清明這順之後的時針我們休訓五分鐘 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
8672.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
8678.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
好啊召委我们各一位同仁请我们海洋委员会我们的管组委 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
8684.648 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
8693.655 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
各位好 主委好 主委辛苦了 尤其現在我看很多人在關心尤其我們可以說在這幾年 在主委大年 不管說海上的船艦 以及整個生態的保育 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
8704.347 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
8730.812 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
主委都是非常用心這點本職是先給妳勸頂謝謝但是現在我最近在高雅分推出我們的全民國防措施為了強化我們全民的安全意識涵蓋天災以及戰災的內容但是我看裡面很多海巡是站在我們全民的第一線尤其我們的海洋的巡邏海洋的 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
8731.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
8742.196 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
會除備但是它的執行單位有國防部教育部經濟部機關該有的機關都有唯獨我們海洋委員會的機關沒有內陸在裡面作為執行的對象這是不是在這個部分請指揮來做說明 |
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8778.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
可能它的重點是放在陸域的避難就是在陸上在陸域 災害 戰爭的時候主要防空避難主要是陸域但是跟海有關的海河 海上的它有把我們的翼翼巴射進去那最重要就是你如果海要求救 你要翼翼巴 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
8778.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
8792.047 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
那有在內地啦那有在內地嘛那有在內地我是問那出行單位怎麼沒有海洋委員會有求救118有在內地我們的專線好 這樣這點這樣分析了解這點是重點尤其我們海洋委員會推出海洋無障礙計畫可以說很多我們的無障礙就是要給一間我們不管說身心障礙也好一間我們的社團很多學校的學生 |
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8807.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
8813.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
可以說大家都親近海洋這是非常好的情形希望說在這種好的情形我們一定要去推廣包含說以後台灣四面環海我們要說 |
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8823.496 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
8836.395 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
讓我們的民眾大家都接近海洋因為我們台灣的海洋在這幾年說真的海洋因為不管保育也好海洋環境的維護也好真的是很用心這點我們想要再次傾聽 |
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8838.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
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感謝 感謝 感謝委員好的情情 我們就要去推動了是啦 委員 以後我們南美尼今年最後一天就週末辦事因為天氣比較冷南美尼 我們六六小小有相關的活動也歡迎委員來那天 那個行程 我都很感動因為坐輪椅不便但是我確實有辦法去晃 去剃頭這大家都很感動 很高興 |
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因為這有障礙我們就是要讓這些行動不方便如果說在這位這位若是可是不是說針對這些弱勢或是身心有問題的團體我們是不是可以經過來照顧甚至 |
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但補助 因為車馬費會OK啦這樣才可以落實說 我們既然說有好的情形我們就要給全民大家來貢獻這是本省的看法我們現場的服務我們可以幫忙車賣費可能比較要看這個租界租界單位 看我們能不能補車賣費這點可能我們就要問租界的轉押 |
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因為很多學校在學生 尤其是國小的學生他們有文化卷 現在就是我們聯絡文化部把我們害的活動也放入文化卷可以用 剛才委員你幫我提倡我現在想到這點我快要了解了解看有放入要不要 |
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文化圈都有補助嘛那些文化圈如果可以用在我們家他們來這裡就一定有補助的意思因為我們小朋友他們說出籌款他們要自己去負擔 |
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學生是很負擔我們學生的部分我們就很容易拿出來說我也想過我們也來做海洋消費券但是跟我說沒有錢對 這就沒有辦法了其實你說海洋消費券其實你如果說未來要推動我學校 我有學校 對這委員我們說得很對小朋友大家來接見海洋我們的海洋推做得那麼好當然是要讓他們了解 |
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這是我們的責任我們繼續來關心這一點是 我說到最後我去辦公室的配合我看我們的珊瑚 我們海洋的生態都做得很好的大家都在求救 我們都在搶救珊瑚好不好好 謝謝委員關心 謝謝 |
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謝謝 我們感謝吳祁銘在場接受我們休息五分鐘再繼續開會 謝謝 |
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沒有切過來嗎?還是要 |
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謝謝我們主席王昭偉我們請海委會管主委 |
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主委好本席今天針對兩個議題來跟您就教也做一下討論第一個是有關於復正航海文化我們去年其實有在台東也看到這個復正航海文化的一個成果我們也有參加很關心我們想說在這個部分再更進一步所以我也想說做一個討論那是不是可以將原住民的這個房股 |
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鼓傳的這個造船的記憶來透過跟國際這個部分的一個附贈然後能夠跟國際做一個交流那我們知道您在附贈航海文化力這個部分當然有些推動了但是原住民的這個部分我們希望能夠成為一個海洋文化策略核心的這個議題很重要 對 |
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對 那你們現在有在執行的有跟這個馬來西亞 新加坡等國就浮船的造船記憶還有王船信仰跟造船工具這個面向已經有一些交流那本席肯定這樣一個方向那也對台灣的整個造船記憶可以跟國際的海洋文化來透過海洋文化的平台來交流那這是很我覺得很正確的一個方向 |
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但是在這個部分我想進一步請教主委也就是本席關心的這個南島文化那我們知道南島文化過去本來就是在海域這個部分其實是跟我們現在對於陸域的想像有很大的不同所以其實是可以透過南島文化去做一個更深的連結那本席私下也都跟您做一些討論 |
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原住民河南島的諸國在海海 星象還有海流這個部分還有海洋 洋流等等有很長久的一個知識跟記憶這邊本席想要跟 |
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主委這邊請教我們有沒有可能將原住民仿古造船的記憶那也納入官方的這個海洋文化的主軸然後來跟原民會文化部甚至您這邊其實在私下也有跟本席針對技術的這個部分像經濟部這邊本席這邊也有跟他們做一些交流 |
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我們可不可以將這樣一個計畫納入海洋文化力的主軸然後來推動國家級的南島造船記憶的附贈計畫這是這個部分這是第一個部分第二個部分是西班牙其實在2011年來過台灣他的古船來過台灣他的安達魯奇亞號是很成功的案例本席這邊希望台灣能夠走出去用原住民的仿古船來進行國際文化交流 |
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那當然很重要如果能夠在國內我們先有這樣一個主題性的我們真的造出來在現代可以航行的這個船那我想應該是海委會應該在我們對海洋致敬是算有一個很聚焦的主軸 |
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所以西班牙都這樣子做過他們曾經來過台灣在2011年這個上海世博2010年上海世博的時候透過這樣子的方式來呈現大航海時代的文化甚至在基隆港還有宜蘭這邊都待過我相信我們絕對有能力這樣子做那本席請教主委 |
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你們是不是可以支持這個打造台灣南島文化防古船的這樣一個計畫然後積極來協助各部會像原民會我們剛才講的經濟部也感謝船舶中心這邊的一個支持還有部落的工匠來推廣南島航線的文化旅程 |
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非常謝謝委員委員的遠見而且有一個國際的世界觀剛好我在上個禮拜跟柯文初開會的時候我也有提到說如果我們能夠在好幾個國家委員您特別提到南島這些國家剛剛也提到了之外的西班牙因為大航海時代西班牙 荷蘭然後如果有防鼓船到台灣來我們就可以做海洋大閱兵 |
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那在這個部分我們的資產很雄厚我們有剛剛委員說的竹筏我們還有蘭嶼達烏族的拼板舟是 那我希望阿美族的這個帆船也有機會是 所以目前我們是在國內推造船記憶的傳承跟復興那這一兩年下來有一些成果那也非常謝謝委員關心都到現場去給他們加油打氣 |
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那委員的這個構想我們來推動那明年的話可能如果籌備來不及我們一兩年為期來籌備這樣一個大計畫我想這個對國際交流是非常非常好的一件事情謝謝主委我知道我們的召委 |
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其實也是那個南島文化國際交流的這個主席所以我也希望大家這個計畫未來可以一起來推動那我相信一定做得成的西班牙都過得來我們一定會得到很大的加持有兩位委員還有趙薇謝謝接下來我很短的講一下那個上個禮拜你知道主委這邊去了彌陀的這個 |
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就是那個碼頭的建制那其實地方都有在講啦所以那時候我正好也是在附近然後他們剛參加活動就跟我們說那個無障礙空間至少現在在高雄彌陀的第一個國家級的海外會幫忙推動的那當然在地也都一起合作來推動的 |
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那麼剛才有委員提到就是這個所謂的支障 伸障的無障礙空間我想海委會這個部分大概全國也就仰賴你們一起來做那當然很重要一點就是說事實上現在我們在禁海的這個部分大家還是有一些法規上的限制或者是有大部分的人都願意去禁海但是整個我們海岸線的設施的建置其實還蠻匱乏的所以讓很多想要禁海的人其實不是那麼的通暢所以 |
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本席這邊來做一個提醒當然硬體的改善是很重要的那個每一個地方的這個沙灘或碎石灘的地形那不是只有針對身障那一般人都已經有點困難了更何況是身障所以你們有這樣彌陀一個經驗那是不是我們可以來加速全國整個我不曉得你們在目前的整個 |
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盤點上進行到什麼樣一個階段我們目前的盤點就是說第一個以場域來講我們就是無障礙那除了這個步道以外我們其實還是希望他們的洗手間更衣室等等這個下個階段也要無障礙那以米陀來講他們明年就要進行這個計畫 |
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無障礙是一個重點以外我們還有一個是藍旗海岸計畫藍旗海岸計畫我們希望用國際的標準雖然我們不一定會得到國際的認證但是我們用國際的標準希望我們的海洋是綠色永續 |
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另外就是安全 我們會盤點的是它的安全的設施安全的設施 我們從告示牌也好 我們從GoOcean的應用也好我們甚至於從 我們也在做AI的模擬我們要模擬溺水的狀態 |
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我們希望用無人機導入AI來防止溺水希望零溺斃至於委員說的所有的海灘的動線那個部分我們目前沒有盤點到那裡比較是建議主管期間 您是建議這邊可能做一個盤點因為要做之前其實一個基礎的資訊是重要的當然你這邊對於安全這個部分委員關注的是哪一些項目的盤點 |
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你們應該有一個青海無障礙躍升計畫無障礙有 無障礙我們現在盤點八個地方我們第一階段八個地方有盤點出來那整個也納入深藏整個的情境但是本席這邊是關心在整個海岸空間或海岸的沙灘等等你們是不是有針對這個部分它的差異性做一些盤點但這個部分很重要就是跟地方政府的一個合作跟了解 |
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因為地方政府相對會比較有更深的一個了解每一個地方的一個差異十個地方的沙灘目前才十個本席這邊 因為前幾個禮拜您也知道本席去參加雲林三條輪正面比賽 |
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很好的一個場地全國目前只剩下這邊還有風浪 風箏衝浪跟風譽對 那這個部分我們希望經費上也是繼續支持那另外就是說本席也要為園鄉來請命因為園鄉所有的設施所有的條件相對都比較就是不足 |
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那像東岸的這個部分也請這個主委這邊能夠多加關注那因為在一般性的這個碼頭一般性的設施都也很匱乏那更何況深藏或支藏山原灣 山原灣東岸在山原灣我們有納入好的 那大概整個您說山原台東市區外圍然後還有成功鎮等等這些地方那也希望在海線上能夠幫忙多一些這個設施上的支持好嗎好 謝謝委員 |
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謝謝我們感謝林憲竹委員這項我們家鄭振全鄭振全 鄭振全委員部在這我們家鄭天才委員這項好 召委 有請廣主委 |
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加管主委政委員好 主委好在今天這個海委會的報告裡面特別提到這個重塑海岸肌肉兼容保育油氣第一個是建置共治平台扶植肌肉產業第二個是共創海岸肌肉新動力因為台灣 |
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的海岸那跟原住民有這個密切關係的從屏東的這個滿洲鄉牡丹鄉一直到整個台東縣的海岸然後花蓮縣的海岸再到這個宜蘭縣南澳鄉 |
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都有我們原住民的這個原鄉部落如果談到渡費期的話當然在基隆宜蘭這個也都有這個相關的這些新的記錄所以這個有這樣的一個重塑海岸記錄兼容保育油氣是不是請主委能夠說明一下這個整個的一個 |
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目前的規劃推動的一個方向或者是有沒有比較具體的一個作為各位原報告有關於海岸聚落 |
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這一方面的在地創生的產業扶植的部分要跟委員致歉的是說我們所做的並不是說一個全知全能的全國盤點我們還沒有做到這個地步我們目前做的是由下而上由地方提案來給我們 |
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那如果地方提案來給我們輔導審議以後我們來給予他們支持所以這個部分的作業是由下而上的因此他還沒有做到這一點我們還沒有做到系統性的全國海岸聚落的產業的扶植然後都有很好的成績 |
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因為產業要扶持在地的團隊也很重要所以他一定是需要有在地的團隊然後他們有發想那我們來給予他們支持所以這一點主要是以這樣的操作的方式跟委員回報所以你們現在有怎麼樣的推動的計劃因為需要有相關的計劃之後地方才可以提報依這個計劃來提報 |
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是 所以我們就有加入國發會的在地創生3.0的計畫所以我們很希望就是說如果地方政府他能夠比我們更接近在現地或者是說委員如果知道說有什麼樣的聚落的資產聚落的文化元素或者是產業的潛力在地又有團隊 |
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我们也很希望能够征求到好的案子让我们来扶植他们所以是国发会的那个地方创生的台东花莲有基隆有对那现在有已经在执行的吗 |
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有 已经有在执行花莲详细的个案我请处长来介绍一下好吗是 包委员那在我们地方创生方面在海岸聚落我们聚焦在花莲的部分有他们的跟我们提一个有关于海女的这样的一个传统的海女有关这个花莲的部分的海女的这样的一个海女 |
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他們去採集這些海菜這些貝類的知道是在哪一個哪個鄉在花蓮不好意思 花蓮在港口部落附近那裡那就是豐濱鄉對 豐濱鄉那邊還有呢台東有嗎 |
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台東市他們現在提出的計畫有包括要結合陸域的一些這些文化那所以這部分也還在審議當中這個所以你們有一些相關的資料再提供給我好我們接下來這個雖然直接上跟海委會 |
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没有直接的关系但是跟你的海巡署海巡署有军有警军警军警的比在海巡署比例多高军职的比例高对军职的比例大概8000多那警职的比例大概3000我的建议是这样因为现在主委很清楚现在 |
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這個115年度的中央政府的總預算就卡在這個軍人的待遇條例跟這個警察的人員人事條例都就是要請這個主委要跟院長這個報告或是請託軍人待遇條例 左院長已經附屬了 |
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左院長有附屬才會公布施行然後因為按照憲法徵求條文的話就是沒有知愛難行才會去附屬然後公布對不對 沒有知愛難行才會去附屬才會公布所以還是回到憲政像這個這個警察人員人事條例警察人員人事條例也經過 |
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一宪法征修条文提复议复议的结果也出来了复议时如今前提立法为二分之一以上结议维持延案行政院院长应急接受该结议所以就是回到宪政遵守宪法所以这个部分要请我们共同的去努力 |
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讓這個115年度的總預算趕快執行趕快審查啦所以這個部分也請這個主委這個跟院長報告這個預算看怎麼就補編嘛追加嘛都可以好 加油好啦 足足啦 |
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好 感謝 感謝鄭天才委員這時候我們請楊瓊英委員因為說到醫生我們都希望好的 會建設好的醫生都支持不分什麼牌 謝謝謝謝主席 楊瓊英發言人邀請主委 |
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現在要關主委兩位也好 主委好我們看到報紙報導10月30號海洋委員會主辦的我們海洋素養創新教學競賽 |
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吸引了全國大概有30所學校來展示它探究的成果我也要歡喜的是在特優的部分我們的大道國中優等的部分有我們西屯國小 |
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這個我等一下要講要謝謝委員大安國中還有佳作是大甲國中你不用謝謝我因為這是我們共同的理念我們希望好好的驅動委員我還是要說大家都不知道委員關心以後台中參與這個計畫的學校 |
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站很前面現在已經有13個學校所以我們看到因為我們的理念一致也希望能夠海洋是全民共享的這個概念所以在目前為止我們還是停留在示範學校的校園那你接下來要怎麼做呢 |
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委員 我就是來多少 做多少所以現在最重要的就是說 學校要願意參加不是來多少 做多少 也不是學校要願意 老師要願意而是我們自己本身 我們自己也都下去媒合要怎麼宣導 要怎麼媒合 這非常重要而且我今年培訓了400個種子教師 |
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好 就您講的這個問題我們繼續來討論因為你要鼓勵人家來共同參與因為有的人他還沒有這個概念而且他不是那麼了解所以本期還是希望你們要多有趣媒介因為有一個好的成果開始必須去努力我們不但全部免費補助 |
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我们还给他教具的费用这个你现在说还是有很多人不知道所以你必须要去宣导去媒介这是本席给你鼓励的但是目前我们有系统性的一个机制你将竞赛跟种子教师的成果 |
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本席也是希望就是說你在未來能夠將這些還沒有參與的學校我們要怎麼樣去宣導去媒介讓他們有誘因可以來這是第一個那所以未來的這個四年當中你要怎麼樣特別針對於偏鄉 |
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偏鄉的學校建立指標跟補強的這個方案我們本期希望的也就是說海洋教育它不是少數的一個示範而是希望一開頭本期所說的是一個全民皆有海教機會而且是海洋是全民共享 |
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因為台灣是四面華海是 尤其楊偉遠一定知道就是說這一套教學方法太棒了它不是老師教它是老師帶著學生自己去發現問題 啟發問題你自己去做實驗 你自己去實證這個就是啟發性教學 就是科學教育我們不只訓練你海洋素養還在訓練未來的科學家 |
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我覺得這套教法真的太好了真的太好你就是要怎麼樣在下一步它不只是停留在示範學校區而是要擴大怎麼樣的讓人家了解可以廣泛的讓大家全民共享我們更有效的來宣導跟媒合我們都補助每一個老師五萬塊 |
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接下來本席要跟你請教的也就是海洋無障礙本席認為這一點非常的重要那你從彌陀漁港的這個全國首座無障礙的入水平台那這樣子的一個情況從地方到學校這已經在做青海的一個體驗而且是全民要達海洋全民共享尤其因為本席也經常在帶著孩子 |
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那身障的朋友告訴了我一句話他說我真的很想飛上天我也很想潛入海裡這個讓我很感動所以我們開始帶著孩子怎麼樣飛上天去坐輕航機等等我們也帶著孩子到青海的這些的活動甚至我們帶他去抓個蛤蜊他摸到水 |
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踏到這個海灘的時候那一種感動跟觸動跟它的一個體驗讓我非常的希望能夠再擴大去做所以也就是海洋無障礙的部分海中有補助一個案有那個體育大學 |
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他們有來申請但是太少了對 你自己都說太少了我們一起繼續來努力推動海洋無障礙但是在海洋無障礙的先決條件我們很多的樣態也就是上次本席跟您提出的在潛水活動跟漁船作業的衝擊當然這要跨部會你也答應本席說在年底的時候會提出我們有進度了 |
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有進度了我也希望在年底的時候能夠真正的去降低潛水員跟漁船間的一個風險一定大幅改善所以一定要大幅改善那我們也能夠在年底的時候告訴這個社會大眾最後一個議題也就是我們針對於現在國家管轄範圍以外區域海洋生物 |
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多數性的一個保育跟永續利用的協定那全世界預估現在大概有60個國家批准那麼預估是在明年的115年1月17號要生效那這個協定包括了四大專章包括了海洋基因資源 |
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海洋保護區在內的以區域為基礎的管理工具還有海洋環境影響評估以及能力建構與海洋技術的一個移轉當然它涉及到整個經濟農業 |
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以及交通這各部會的一個業務所以它的影響層面是非常的廣泛所以在考量協議已經要在明年115年1月17號要生效了那當然我們針對於這樣的四大專章的議題相對的是刻不容緩 |
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必須要去準備所以在這樣迫切的生效時程當中海委會我們目前您定準備好了嗎我們的相關對策怎麼樣的跟國際來接軌確保我國海洋的一個權益跟委員報告我們有兩個計畫 |
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就这件事情我们有两个很坚强的团队学术界两个很坚强的团队这几年已经一路都帮着我们一路在监测这个过程然后设法去参与因为他是联合国相关我们没有办法正式参与但是我们就是辗转迂回能够参与到里面去希望能够不要过度的损害我们的利益 |
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這個是最重要的所以我們有兩個很堅強的團隊持續的我們都請他們一路在做相關的計畫好 那也就是已經要執行之了所以迫切需要那維護我國海洋的權利呢我相信這是您跟我跟我們全民都希望一定要維護那你們所準備的相對的這個對策您也請書面資料一份給貝希好的 謝謝 |
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謝謝我們感謝楊瓊瑩委員質詢我們請葉延之委員質詢主席請主委謝謝請管主委主委好我們現在關心一下我們那個國家安全的問題因為 |
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11月中的時候有一個媒體報導他是報導11月初紐西蘭的軍艦他經過大概是經過那個台灣海峽 台海嘛然後結果那個媒體的報導當然如果說媒體報導跟事實不符你也可以澄清就是說我們的這個軍方都沒有發現他是一個軍艦然後後來他把軍艦過來之後他把軍這個 |
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主委聽一下不然你不知道我要問什麼就是說他經過之後他把軍艦訊號關掉然後改成商船的訊號然後我們這邊都沒有發現是中共的那邊來驅趕之後呢我們這邊才發現然後後來呢過去還協調了幾個小時好幾個小時然後才處理然後媒體當然就有下一個標就是吊旗打個問號然後國人也會擔心那這個主要來問主委的原因是因為 |
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當然你會說那個是軍方事情可是我記得最近你們也有提說希望能夠修海染7法那其中有一個是船舶法部分就是說如果有不明的船隻經過他沒有打開訊號的話你不是可以驅逐他的就是增加台海這方面的安全的保護 |
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那如果出現類似的狀況我剛剛講的那個狀況就是它是軍艦它經過了它其實是有開訊號的但是它開的是商船訊號可是軍方也不知道然後海巡這邊也不知道然後反而是對岸驅逐才發生那類似這個狀況您的了解是為什麼會發生 |
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各位委員報告有關於這個報導還有有關於軍艦的監控確實不屬於海巡的業務範圍那這不是推卸責任而是包括我們的雷達我們的監測的體系我們有在我們業務範圍監測的相關相對應的設備裝設備是相對應的裝設備因此在中線是現在大家對於海巡的期待不是這樣啦因為之前海巡 |
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還好海軍沒辦法監控軍艦因為那時候大家海軍編了很多預算嘛有增加很多船艦啊什麼的然後 |
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當時執政黨也是民進黨就說海軍現在要轉向第二海軍這種類似這種聲音應該都聽過了所以我們覺得說當然海巡如果是以國家安全的狀況的話軍方海巡只要是海上的大家都應該要協力如果說軍方漏掉的話那他因為把商船的訊號打開了那基本上如果海巡能夠補這個洞大家加強聯繫對我們台灣的安全 |
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一定是比較有幫助的我們有情報的交流跟交換但這一案就剛講那個就Lost掉了嘛第二個就是因為美國國會啊薛瑞福啊這個消息你應該有看到嘛昨天參議院昨天美國國會有一個叫美中經濟暨安全檢討委員會的副主席叫薛瑞福他也做過就是前美國國防部的印太司令部的 |
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助理部長他講他當然是主題是在講說如果共軍要包圍台灣要封鎖的話很快就會完成我們會反應不及那其中就有提到為什麼呢因為他們現在像海軍海警海上民兵實際上都對我們實施大量的灰色戰略然後所以這方面海警海上民兵的轉換是很快的那很快就會讓我們預警時間很慢 |
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那我不知道說這個有關於向對岸海景 |
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或者是民兵這一塊那海巡有因應的策略嗎我們在管轄的海域裡面我們全面監控只要是進入我們禁限制水域的海警跟公務船我們絕對是強制的我知道 你現在講的是一個原則你講的是原則說每一個個案我們都處理沒有放過任何一個個案我是覺得因為這也是美國的算是國會的報告 |
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應該不會是隨便亂講的那他特別就指出來就是有把海警跟民兵特別列出來所以我們對民兵船也有掌握問題是如果以我們現在掌握當然我們願意相信海巡的狀況但我只是覺得提醒就是說如果現在連美國都講得那麼詳細的話那你有沒有針對這方面可能會有些狀況 |
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提出一些因應的策略不是說只是說他有監控我們都有監控來了我們就會驅趕我覺得這講的太空了 |
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这些状况我们最重要的应该模拟很多不同的我们会做很多的桌推很多的兵推还有跟邻近国家我们会做很多的连演那甚至于邻近国家他们的连演我们也都去观摩所以台海不是台湾自己的事情大家知道只要是巴士海峡的封锁或公国海峡等等这些封锁它影响的是全世界 |
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他影響的是百分之九十的日本人 主委非常有信心有信心是好事好謝謝謝謝我們感謝葉延之委員接受我們請張學忠委員接受感謝蔣委好請我們的主委請管主委 |
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各位好根據報告海巡君子人力缺口在一零九年的四十七年行政院在一一一年核定海巡人力關聯調整計畫理論上這幾年應該要變人力要變多了應該是這樣吧 |
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是 我們的人力都一直隨著造建計畫 隨著業務有在彈性的調整當然我們看到數據 僅僅人力不增反減111年少了159人 112年少了60人 |
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連續兩年的副城長雖然暗巡與鑑停能力都嚴重不足到了去年10月雖然新增60個人但距離計畫目標還少111人整體精子的缺口為809年49人5年以來 |
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快速增加到一百十三年過一百六十七年最後那麼多人力軍都一直保護北京我們還一直在增加 |
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教育委員報告的增加人 有一部分是害羞因為我們的害羞做新人所以我們一定要增加人這增加的人 為什麼那些人持續一直越走越多我們今年是正成長 因為今年的受益最好不會出來像這個報告的時候 跟我們現在受益又不一樣今年是正成長 有縮短那個缺額 |
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我們一直會有缺額我想無論是在各行各業少子化是既定的一個原因當然我們盡力盡力要來補足人員要來增加訓練人員救護人員的人所要增加這個部分都有在做所以今年我們好不容易今年有正成長我們年底我們縮短到差不多七百多人 |
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為我們這個海軍整體的人力和船艦來看是啦 嫂子的話喔 四個都欠勞不輸也欠勞 輸也欠現在國情喔 總共是海巡的艦艇有重金 高牆 沒達到 |
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跟專業的人力中心的基準但是我們符合安全性所需要跟準確的操作性所需要這是我們絕對要符合所以它是有救但是沒辦法讓他們很充足我們的編制有讓他們更充足我們沒辦法達到讓他們充足的地步但是我們是達到一定要有救的地步 |
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我們現在海巡在這裡真的很辛苦我們這麼多時間在這裡看到一些越界的漁村人或是一些艦艇的隊子 |
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這對我們海巡協定他們第一次面對這個國家跟國家有可能的窮犯的問題我相信他們非常勇敢站在第一層來守護這個國家的尊嚴你這樣幾句話跟他們提起他們都很感謝我很感謝我代表他們很感謝我均心的都很溫柔提起 |
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好 這樣 現在我們現在零環繞室問題已經是我們委任固定的像剛才我們主委有在說一定會逐一來診家 |
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要很加速 一定要加速來懲戒因為我們的尊教我們尊教也不能無人但是我看到一個問題我們海委會有想要透過法規及建制的修改來懲戒我們這個領域嗎有嗎 剛剛有建制的修改 |
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編制表編制表要修我跟委員報告鑑定編制表是這樣 |
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我們很多的幹部 我覺得很感激 很感謝像我們書長 他本來是警察 警官結果他做書長 他變成文官 薪水減了 薪水減很多我們幹隊的幹長 什麼大副輪級長 一樣喔你現在要做幹長 你警察的身份要變成文官 |
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做鑑定 做大副 做論議長更辛苦 結果你的薪水變少你警察的身份沒得起這不行 我要改 現在改過來了所以我們說的編制表的修編是要解決這個問題 |
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我們要讓他...我們要讓他遺棄說他是警察的身分不是說我們要把警察...直接要求他們調去我們海巡不是...不是這樣啦是...是...這樣就好了感謝... |
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我們主委一直對著我們這個海洋會非常認真來對著我們修好我們第一項我繼續努力是照顧辛苦你了好 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].start |
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11735.222 |
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謝謝,我們感謝鄧學忠委員質詢,我們家鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌,鍾嘉斌不在,我們家陳冠廷委員陳冠廷,陳冠廷,陳冠廷不在我們家蔡依儀委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
11742.505 |
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蔡毅蔡毅不在我們請委員結束好謝謝主席我們請這個館主委館主委 |
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11766.853 |
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主委好今天本席首先想要針對海廢海洋廢棄物的部分來跟您請教我想在你們的報告中也有特別講特別提到海廢的治理跟海廢的處理 |
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那可能你们觉得做的还不错还不错那应该重视吧应该重视要更努力了对海费的处理它影响我们整个的环境对那首先我想了解一下我们好像是中央跟地方 |
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良合一起處理我們補助地方讓政府地方來執行你們我們中央沒有嗎不是有權責嗎沒有嗎我們的經費下去但是必須是地方政府來協助執行所以沒有 |
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分海域哪些给地方政府哪些是给中央没有所以中央自己没有海洋废棄物的清理跟海洋污染的应变不一样海洋污染的应变的话我是指海洋废棄物海洋废棄物的清理的话我们最主要就是需要因为它横跨在全国非常广大的海域所以它的执行我们有请地方政府或者是民间的团体来协助对 |
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那這樣民間的團體 |
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是不是应该主委主委是不是有一些还是是你们我们是应变啦应变属于我们啦应变是你们那我现在请教我这边拿到的了解所以紧急的部分你三海里以内是不是是地方三海里以外的是不是你们中央海上主要群职是我们那我现在说海底下海底下三海里以内也都还是地方嘛 |
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對 那你們知道地方有些困難嗎譬如說你有經費委託地方但是地方政府對於譬如說你15公尺或30公尺以下的這個是誰 |
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每一年我們有一個我們有平台所以我們補助下去的時候你可不可以先救我的問題因為我時間也不多啦你現在海底廢棄物超過15公尺或30公尺更深的你也是給地方嗎 |
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我們基本上地方還是第一線來替我們執行好 那主委我看你可能完全不了解我們這裡要委託下去清除我們委託前海戰將系統下去清除也是必須是前海戰將系統來協助我們清除那海委會的同仁不可能自己下去清除我的意思是說 |
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地方它也是委外 它也是委託當然有一些可能是我們的一些漁民就是包括叫做什麼環保前海戰將這些對 還有環保艦隊對 前海戰將環保艦隊就是漁民還有一些潛水業者或熱愛潛水的民眾那現在主委我要講一個重點 |
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我們發現在深海超過15公尺甚至30公尺以下很多的魚礁有很多的流刺網它整個都 |
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覆蓋在魚礁上那個部分是最困難的對 最困難的地方他也沒辦法你給的經費他也沒辦法結果長期這個海底一堆的這些流刺網我們很多長期下來很多的魚類他們都被這些流刺網刺死了 |
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這個情況已經好幾年了我們中央都沒有辦法處理然後地方他們沒有辦法因為你太深了這一塊想辦法跟委員報告這也是為什麼我一直期待我們的海報署要有一個大幅度的體質的改變你體質改變是說你們自己有專業團隊嗎 |
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你要培养自己的吗我们一定要赋能一定要强化我们连预算一年的预算整个海保署只有8亿我就请教你你的意思是你们要自己有专业的人员专业的团队吗你回答一下我们正在做主改是不是 |
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你是不是朝向這方面基本上海委會自己本身海保署自己本身組團隊下去處理這些事情比較不是朝向這一區規劃但是我們海底的這種情況已經很多年而且地方跟我們反映 |
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它一直反映就是沒有人重視我們現在連海廢地圖都沒有做到全面所以海廢地圖的部分我們要用水下的滑翔液我們先用水下的滑翔液下去做調查每年捐助北美環境教育協會 |
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也是就是针对一些这个近海大联盟等于是你每年花120万请问那个效益是什么我请我请副署长说明副署长是不是好来 |
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报告委员刚刚讲的那个北美的那个部分是针对YIC的部分那是补助我们去做就是请各个国家对嘛你去请他们提一些好的方案但是已经连续做了很多年这些方案有了好的方案你们有去用吗 |
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有因为这样改善我们台湾的海域相关的情况吗再跟委员说明一下就是因为我们的那些方案都会请这些得奖的人员都会来做分享然后我们会从中启发有一些比较好的一些车你现在讲的话都没有针对我的问题我知道你们办了很多年 |
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但是最後主委主委主委您要知道你這個錢花下去它有沒有效益還有我們地方的漁民每年每年反映他們都知道深海那些漁礁都是那個流刺網都沒有人去清這個問題 |
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主委你可不可以跟我保證你未來這一年因為我們馬上也要審預算了你明年度你這一塊你要不要我們海底漁網跟委員報告我們海底漁網清多少噸這個數字是獨立起來的那以今年吧今年來講到目前為止是清了17.85公噸所以非常感謝委員委員以後就給我們督促這個數字有沒有在成長 |
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對 這個數字是獨立起來的數字成長是一個但是我們看著我們的海洋生態還有我們那麼多各式各樣的魚類它都因為這個部分它等於是很多魚就因為這樣都被刺死了我們大概順序上我們順序上我也期許他們說經費啦 你們每年這個經費總經費多少海肺的清理每年總經費多少 |
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我是不滿意啦一億八全國嘛然後你補助各縣市政府還有你們自己是不是也有 |
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還有一個就是我們現在目前有一個海費清除網就是針對剛剛委員講的這樣子的情況如果說比較傷害就是針對比較深一點的我們就會自己下去請專業的人下去清那這個部分呢我主要就是你們可不可以了解有些地方他這個哀哀叫然後你們都不伸出援手這樣不行 |
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不可能這個最近我們才跟他們做討論那麻煩新竹縣外海那個我去年好像也有質詢那到今年都沒有人去清15公尺30公尺以下的這個部分我們有去清我們有去清那還一直都在那主席不好意思最後我再講一題 |
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那這一塊我們希望明年能夠看到改善那最後再來一個就是說海域管理法至今懸而未決原因是什麼這個法非常的複雜我們曾經完成過草案然後也送到行政院過 |
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但是它涉及的就是說你中央的權限要不要全面把地方的權限收回涉及這個爭議所以到最後我們過去所做的草案的這個路線我們全部就重新盤點那重新盤點以後把各種權限的合理安排做了一個新的架構那跟委員報告我們最新的進度就是這個大綱架構出來了草案出來了 |
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那我要求說你大綱架構出來不要直接下去寫條文你從大綱架構就開始做跨部會員商還有做跟民間的溝通那你有沒有期程預計什麼時候要出來我們希望明年會有非常具體的成果因為現在我們離岸風電開發模式都是業者先圈海政府被動審查 |
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那我們希望我們海域的整個的使用它能夠是基於國安還有我們的生態還有各方面整體利益一起來考量所以這個我們的海域管理法我們希望我們希望明年會非常明確能夠有這樣的一個法出來是 現在大綱出來了好 加油 謝謝 |
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謝謝我們感謝徐乙貞先生我們這裡高金素美委員先生 |
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高金素美高金素美不在我們這裡徐富奎徐富奎徐富奎不在定期發言的委員除了沒在現場以外存的發言都已經完畢達成結束委員有高金素美黃建斌徐富奎陳冠廷 |
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所提出的書面這順列入紀錄刊登公報書面這順跟美府大埔的保安車相關單位一星期來依書面答覆本副志本會這次會議到現在結束現在散會謝謝大家大家辛苦了 |