| IVOD_ID |
170515 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170515 |
| 日期 |
2026-07-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-07-16T09:41:10+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-07-16T09:52:50+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/c57864e9296d4775767ccaafd061a074769602a34423c74fcd2db9a171d41d2cf3397ef17cf3074c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
廖先翔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:41:10 - 09:52:50 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-07-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
(變更議程)立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請內政部部長、警政署署長、法務部次長就「115年11月28日地方公職人員選舉選務維安勤務工作規劃」進行專題報告，並備質詢。二、邀請中央選舉委員會主任委員、內政部部長、警政署署長、法務部次長、數位發展部、國家通訊傳播委員會就「115年11月28日地方公職人員選舉選務整備、選務中立、假訊息因應作為與公民投票選務辦理情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。三、繼續審查委員羅智強等18人擬具「公民投票法第二十三條條文修正草案」案。四、繼續審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「公民投票法第二十一條及第四十三條條文修正草案」案。五、審查委員葉元之等19人擬具「公民投票法第二十三條條文修正草案」案。六、審查委員廖偉翔等16人擬具「公民投票法第二十三條條文修正草案」案。七、審查委員賴士葆等25人擬具「公民投票法第二十一條條文修正草案」案。） |
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好 下一位我們請廖先祥、張偉諮詢好 謝謝主席 我們麻煩邀請游主委張委員好那個主委您好 有關公投您在就任的時候有過相關的發言立法院提出了公投案 |
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通過是原則,不通過是例外,那目前立法院已經有一些在惡毒的案件剛剛張志榮也有拋爆你上面寫的這六件,你應該都非常清楚,那針對這六件你認為會是原則還是例外我們就是說以我個人來講或中選會我們在 |
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公投案確立之前我們都沒有針對個案去表達任何的評論我覺得這樣做是必要的因為這樣子如果我們去發表什麼議論其實也會引來更多的批評 |
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所以現在你也沒有辦法說如果說立法院就是照這六案文字都沒有修改你也沒有辦法在這邊就是保證說年底大家一定投得到是這樣的意思嗎還是要經過你們委員會的審查那委員這個中選會是合一制特別是重大的事項是必須開委員會議決定我確認一下假設立法院通過了那我們中選會多久時間以內會給出答覆 |
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看中選會什麼時候通過然後我們就大概多久以內會開會啦大概這樣我們除了每個月的委員會之外我們還可以召開臨時會議可以嘛就是立法院通過了之後你們就再麻煩就在這邊進行處理對我們可以開臨時會議那另外請教一下您講的原則跟例外它的界線對你個人來說是什麼 |
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我當時講那個話的意思就是說我們必須尊重立法院的所推出的公投案因為那代表立法院多數的意見但是呢因為那樣所以立法院推出的公投案基本上不應該有任何問題什麼叫問題 |
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就是不應該有不通過的問題如果有不通過的問題那就很可能就是涉及到公投法第二條第二項第三款立法院所推出的公投是不是符合重大政策的創制或覆決 |
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就這一點來講是中選會的委員會很認真的去斟酌所以就是創製跟複決這兩件事情重大政策的創製或複決好 那是我們未來審查的重點好 沒關係 至少讓我們知道有一個標準在這一邊好 那另外請教一下 就是公投合併在一張選票上面 |
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當然有提出委員有正面的意見那中選會有一些認為你們認為這個這個必大於利的一個情況那我想今天的一個重點在於什麼公投的意義是什麼公投是直接民主我們立法院是大義民主 |
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那為什麼所有的國家沒有辦法實行直接的民主是因為這個成本過於巨大也沒有辦法在技術上也沒有辦法去執行所以說我們大家都是用代議民主的方式但是一個民主的國家他應該是如果說能夠達到直接民主的話應該會比代議民主更符合民主的一個精神這樣講應該沒錯嘛但公投法它就是一個直接民主的表現跟做法那因為我們現在要想的事情是 |
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我們現在眾選會認為說如果說有太多公投案會影響到選務的進行的時候我當然認同主委的說法但是如果因為選務上面的困難造成了直接民主沒有辦法去實行的話我認為這是不是in a face我們應該要想的事情是 |
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我們要怎麼去推動直接民主它在現有的制度或者是科技進步的情況下讓它更能夠去達成而不是因為我們有可能想到的困難你說年底可能時間太近了沒有辦法執行等等的我想我這些都是充分尊重中選會第一線執行的人 |
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的業務的一個的說明但是我們今天要想的是未來怎麼樣透過公投法去讓我們的直接民主更能夠執行那合併成一張選票是有一些委員他想到的想法他或許不是最好的但是我們當然可以提出批評但是我覺得我們的目標應該是一樣怎麼去促成未來直接民主是更容易達成的這件事情不曉得中選會對這樣子的說法您的看法 |
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對我對廖委員這樣的一個想法我相當的敬佩那我直接了當的講一點就是說如果我們要有更多的直接民主我們應該是學瑞士瑞士呢他一年四季都可以公投 |
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沒有限制特定的時間每一次投票也可以有三四個公投案那就可以讓我們台灣這個更朝氣蓬勃讓民意能夠透過公投能夠表現出來主委認同的話 |
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應該是說我們也不一定是單純就這個法條的內容去提出這個贊成或反對優劣而是朝著這樣的目標一起讓台灣的公投法的選制讓它更加的完善我想這就是共同的目標大家一起去想我回頭再強調一點 |
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要有人很關心直接民主但是我們必須很務實的去看待這件事情當公投綁大選的時候我們不會希望只有公投而忘掉選舉因為選舉是台灣民主的核心 |
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選舉如果被破壞了或者選舉遭遇很大的災難那是台灣的災難所以我們要雙向思考不能只考慮公投如果公投我百分之百贊成怎麼樣讓公投能夠更普遍能夠更精神 |
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選舉 一般的選舉讓他們沒辦法張選直接民主我講這是現在遇到的困難對 也不見得要跟選舉綁在一起好 那以上如果說我們有共同的方向希望未來能夠大家一起來努力那因為我請教這個AI身為的問題啦你們剛剛報告有說中選會有成立 |
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這個檢舉嘛這小組我們大概一個候選人提出檢舉我們大概需要多少時間去處理或者說我們處理之後會給怎樣子的一個答覆會有可能有哪幾種類別的答覆 |
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所以我們現在就是先成立這樣的一個內部的機制來因應未來可能的這些身為影音的對險情小組成立了嗎?或者說我們的技術上面都已經到位了嗎? |
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技術面我們不敢講但是我們至少我們在任務編組上面我們已經有這樣的一個機制在那裡來協助處理配合檢調我想這次是我們中選會是很大的挑戰這個AI這兩三年進步了成這樣子了可能很多現在都已經在準備當中了那未來如果說我們中選會真是要這個問題我也沒有辦法期待說你們能夠做到100分因為這個已經是科技進步所帶來的選舉的一些 |
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是 廖委員這其他事情了但是現在我們有正式的問題提出這個專門的做法了那就請你們好好加油任務在這邊一句話就好任務在這邊講一句話我們要很謙卑的來講這一句話光憑中選會沒辦法單獨去處理這個AI這個身為影音的問題這需要整個國家機器的力量好 謝謝那我再請這個法務部好不好 |
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法務部跟警政署長兩位 主委您先休息這個您邊走邊講 首先法務部 |
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這個之前有台灣發生過兩個可能有政治人物指控是假訊息包括我們的前鄭文燦副院長的影片或者是說這個之前羅委員的一些錄音檔他們都有提出指控是假訊息嘛對不對那這個後來 |
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我們講最近的就是羅委員的這一件案子他後來跟法務部檢舉嘛對不對那其實選舉最重要的一件事情是什麼是時效性你不能說我今天檢舉了然後你在選舉後你才跟我說它是真偽的所以時效性這件事情對每個候選人跟選舉公平是非常重要的 |
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那從當初羅委員的錄音的檢舉判事到現在也超過三年的時間了我想我們法務部已經這個相關的單位已經有調查結果出來了嗎你不能告訴我們每一位候選人這個你要能夠告訴我們每個候選人包括可能警政署都要告訴大家說我們能夠在多少的時間內告訴民眾告訴候選人這個是真的還是假的還是有一個結論 |
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好不好,這是先請法務部先說明一下現在在鑑定那個申委的部分的軟體,包括我們調查局還有刑事局他們各自會有兩個軟體,要確定是有了,然後兩個機關都double check OK的話那就會有一個確認的結果所以需要多久的時間 |
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委員長 那目前就是這個身為影音情緒在做鑑識一個軟體的話四個小時就可以出來四個小時那所以說之前羅委員的檢舉案件到現在法務部還沒有跟因為他具名檢舉了嘛所以說法務部還沒有跟社會大眾說真假是什麼原因如果他是假的你應該要幫羅委員說這是假的才能夠還他清白啊是這樣吧 |
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因為這個是當時檢舉的時候是他是有關於是性影像那我們根據那個性侵害防治法裡面這個是當事人的隱私啊所以所以以後我做AI身為我只要做性影像的我去跟你檢舉就不會有對大陸公告知了嗎當然那個性侵害防治法有規定是除非當事人同意那現在大家聽到你這樣子講說的這個網軍就全部開始現在開始在做啦 |
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檢舉不會這樣不對吧那當然就是說如果說他是假的啦就是說那當然會讓當事人知道然後如果當事人願意願意就是讓他公開因為他那個性侵犯法有規定除非當事人同意啊所以有關性的部分對他只有檢舉有關性的部分那錄音檔的部分呢也有檢舉嗎 |
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有那這個有關性嗎?有因為有關性?兩個都有關性?有所以現在法務部的立場是只要有關性的就不會跟社會大眾說是真的還假的?不會主動好那我覺得會是未來選務的一個很大的一個問題未來可能會出現那大家應該要及早做好準備這樣子的一個回覆我想應該不是大家所能夠接受的只是說時間到了沒有辦法再跟你做追問以上謝謝 |